From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 01:50:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j116mPr12828; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 01:48:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 01:48:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050131223312.04cd4fe0@loopers-delight.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:47:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic In-Reply-To: <4ae9fcc6307d4fcde0073fe6b5f2e5a2@mlswebworks.com> References: <014a01c507bc$b6dfbf10$6901a8c0@khartung> <4ae9fcc6307d4fcde0073fe6b5f2e5a2@mlswebworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:55 AM 1/31/2005, Michael Firman wrote: > Lifting the ground on ALL the devices that are plugged in >usually fixes the problem. I've noticed that some devices seem >to be worse than others when connected, but ground lifting has >always solved the problem for me. This is also a really bad way to kill yourself. (The good ways involve shotguns and bridges, just fyi.) The problem with this method is you never really know when you are going to die, and it may come at an inconvenient time. For example, it's your record release party, all your friends and family are there, your kids are smiling up at you, everybody is thrilled with anticipation and oh so happy for your success, you go to play the first note, and ZAP! yer a black, smokey, spinal-tap-drummer spot on the stage. No Kurt Cobain cred for you. Good luck with it, and please let me know when your next gig is, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 03:21:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j118Km123248; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 03:20:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 03:20:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050201081657.02b5c430@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:19:31 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: FCB1010 pedal calibration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:36 01/02/05, you wrote: >Greetings > >I hope it is acceptable that I replied to this email, but I do have a >question: copied this to LD, hope that's also acceptable >When I try to calibrate as instructed below, I cannot get either >expression pedal's lowest value lower than 8. How do you adjust the >values if they are not being correctly adjusted by the expression >pedals themselves? This is because the pedal isn't 100% rigid. It slips back slightly after you let go the pressure. Probably if you keep standing on it you can get 0. When calibrating, watch the numbers in the display, and make sure the pedal is a couple of digits away from the end of it's motion at each calibration. OR, alternatively, put spacers under the pedals before calibrating, and remove them after. hope that helps andy >Thank you, >Clint Allen >Louisville From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 03:35:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j118YDG24904; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 03:34:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 03:34:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Zurich_Loopfest_2005_?= Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:37:18 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050201081657.02b5c430@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5kagWC.A.nEG.x7z_BB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy Did you see my post to LD regarding Zurich Loopfest 2005 ? It would be great to have you perform at the festival! I can send you a letter of endorsement if you would like to apply for grants. Best, Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 03:59:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j118wnE27446; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 03:58:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 03:58:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050201084345.02b75720@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:57:21 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic In-Reply-To: <200501312207.j0VM7o924787@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200501312207.j0VM7o924787@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Krispen >bought a VORTEX? That sucka sure adds some dynamo-hum to my rig. never had hum with mine >3) Use short and shielded cables - never wrap them or run them in circles to >"neaten them up." That only amplifies their antennae characteristics. +best to avoid cheap cables. I always make my own to the right length from studio quality mic cable. Do the cheap plastic washers stop the bolts touching on the inside of the holes through the rack ears? Is some of the hum acoustic? (from the EDPs, for instance) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 04:03:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1190an27834; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:00:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:00:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1107248397!10066697!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.8; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329CDB@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your ma gic Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:59:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5083C.47A4A680" Resent-Message-ID: <1QJ73D.A.7uG.QU0_BB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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>>60 cycle hum....drives me insane too. I've been meaning to post
something on this to the group, ways to eliminate it in racks. 
I've tried:

- Separating power chords from audio cables......<<

does this mean you've gone acoustic? :-)

duncan.



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5083C.47A4A680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 05:20:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11AH1j04888; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 05:17:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 05:17:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.144.122] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT sustainer problem Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:14:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 10:15:01.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3CC7F10:01C50846] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com did your sustainer kit come with a small metal plate? the sustainiac kits come with a tiny metal plate that slides down the side of the pickup to stop this squealing phenomenon - they call it a "magnetic tab" - http://www.sustainiac.com/magnetic_tab_adjust.pdf i don't imagine that having it on a baritone guitar would make any difference in this respect sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 05:25:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11ANcf06373; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 05:23:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 05:23:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.240.121] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sonic Alienator - bit reduction / decimation pedal Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:21:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 10:22:02.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF0C6980:01C50847] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i thought i should mention that this actually isn't a pedal - there's no way to bypass it, so you'd have to use it with a mixer or a switchblade etc.... >It's funny you mention the Arion phaser.....(Early versions of >their plastic chorus are going for about $150 now.) arion chorus pedals go for $150??? i sold an arion chorus and an ibanez ts-9 that i bought in the 1980's for a few quid to a mate of mine when i "went rack" in 1990....i wonder if he'll sell them back to me for what he paid for them...? :O) sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 08:24:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11DN4w28447; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:23:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:23:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050131223312.04cd4fe0@loopers-delight.com> References: <014a01c507bc$b6dfbf10$6901a8c0@khartung> <4ae9fcc6307d4fcde0073fe6b5f2e5a2@mlswebworks.com> <6.2.0.14.2.20050131223312.04cd4fe0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:20:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2gBLJC.A.r3G.0I4_BB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually this isn't really true. Most of the time I don't play in environments that would cause me to become the ground conduit. I'm not a guitar player either, so I'm not holding a ground lead in my hand while I'm plugged into a notoriously badly wired device (a guitar amp). Most of the time I'm pretty safe in the studio or at gigs in pretty controlled environments (no poolside gigs or those behind cages designed to fend off thrown bottles). Granted I played one gig, where the performance space was in the basement of a coffee shop. At one point I noticed that a pipe above my head was dripping dangerously close to my equipment, so I guess I might have been in danger there. On Feb 1, 2005, at 12:47 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 09:55 AM 1/31/2005, Michael Firman wrote: >> Lifting the ground on ALL the devices that are plugged in >> usually fixes the problem. I've noticed that some devices seem >> to be worse than others when connected, but ground lifting has >> always solved the problem for me. > > This is also a really bad way to kill yourself. > > (The good ways involve shotguns and bridges, just fyi.) > > The problem with this method is you never really know when you are > going to die, and it may come at an inconvenient time. For example, > it's your record release party, all your friends and family are there, > your kids are smiling up at you, everybody is thrilled with > anticipation and oh so happy for your success, you go to play the > first note, and ZAP! yer a black, smokey, spinal-tap-drummer spot on > the stage. No Kurt Cobain cred for you. > > Good luck with it, and please let me know when your next gig is, > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 09:54:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11Eqrh07592; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:52:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:52:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [81.156.124.8] X-Originating-Email: [chris_lee43@hotmail.com] X-Sender: chris_lee43@hotmail.com From: "Chris Lee" To: References: <014a01c507bc$b6dfbf10$6901a8c0@khartung> <4ae9fcc6307d4fcde0073fe6b5f2e5a2@mlswebworks.com> <6.2.0.14.2.20050131223312.04cd4fe0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:49:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 14:50:01.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[4ED4BEF0:01C5086D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I,ve been in two situations where friends I,ve known have been killed onstage ,one just after i had left and one as i was about to join.sad waste ,mobile gear is always vulnerabe to trouble ,simpy floating wires in plugs not checked regular,these days of trip switches have seen improvement. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Firman" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: Re: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic > Actually this isn't really true. Most of the time I don't play in > environments > that would cause me to become the ground conduit. I'm not a guitar player > either, so I'm not holding a ground lead in my hand while I'm plugged into > a notoriously badly wired device (a guitar amp). Most of the time I'm > pretty > safe in the studio or at gigs in pretty controlled environments (no > poolside > gigs or those behind cages designed to fend off thrown bottles). > > Granted I played one gig, where the performance space was in the basement > of a coffee shop. At one point I noticed that a pipe above my head was > dripping > dangerously close to my equipment, so I guess I might have been in danger > there. > > On Feb 1, 2005, at 12:47 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > >> At 09:55 AM 1/31/2005, Michael Firman wrote: >>> Lifting the ground on ALL the devices that are plugged in >>> usually fixes the problem. I've noticed that some devices seem >>> to be worse than others when connected, but ground lifting has >>> always solved the problem for me. >> >> This is also a really bad way to kill yourself. >> >> (The good ways involve shotguns and bridges, just fyi.) >> >> The problem with this method is you never really know when you are going >> to die, and it may come at an inconvenient time. For example, it's your >> record release party, all your friends and family are there, your kids >> are smiling up at you, everybody is thrilled with anticipation and oh so >> happy for your success, you go to play the first note, and ZAP! yer a >> black, smokey, spinal-tap-drummer spot on the stage. No Kurt Cobain cred >> for you. >> >> Good luck with it, and please let me know when your next gig is, >> kim >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> > -- > | Michael A. Firman > | maf@mlswebworks.com > | http://www.mlswebworks.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 10:55:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11FrC615701; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:53:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:53:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7189569.1107273108000.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:51:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: plastic chorus pedal = gold Re: Sonic Alienator - bit reduction / decimation pedal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <-t47KC.A.qyD.VW6_BB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Once the Nashville cats discovered the first-gen Arion plastic chorus box, and once word got out that those heavy studio types were using it, prices took off. It makes sense, in a way: if someone is regualrly paid a bazillion dollars an hour to play, and he keeps getting called back into the studio and has been on a zillion records, it makes sense to at least check out what gear he/she is using, because any bit of gear they're using HAS to have something going for it...these studio people are extremely busy and don't have time to mess around with junk! If Joe/Jane studio cat is using the XYZ pedal, go test drive one, because you KNOW it can't be a *complete* piece of crap, right? I snoozed and lost, but hey, I won't cry over spilt milk, because I haven't got the right to: I got my Bitrman in time (LOL), plus, GET THIS, someone GAVE me a Fuzz Face back in 1983, back when they were considered worthless... that unit is on half of everything I ever recorded. (Arion's still-super-cheap analog delay is wonderful, BTW, but I already have a plastic MXR Time Delay that is my personal path to g*d.) ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: simeon harris Sent: Feb 1, 2005 5:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sonic Alienator - bit reduction / decimation pedal i thought i should mention that this actually isn't a pedal - there's no way to bypass it, so you'd have to use it with a mixer or a switchblade etc.... >It's funny you mention the Arion phaser.....(Early versions of >their plastic chorus are going for about $150 now.) arion chorus pedals go for $150??? i sold an arion chorus and an ibanez ts-9 that i bought in the 1980's for a few quid to a mate of mine when i "went rack" in 1990....i wonder if he'll sell them back to me for what he paid for them...? :O) sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 11:07:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11G5bX17276; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:05:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:05:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ed01c50877$529b3140$6f00a8c0@tl.no> From: "markred" To: Subject: RE:OT sustainer problem Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:01:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01EA_01C5087F.B4326EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01EA_01C5087F.B4326EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks Sim, but the sustainer I have is the Fernandes sustainer... not = the sustainiac... 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------=_NextPart_000_01EA_01C5087F.B4326EC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 11:14:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11GD9S18320; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:13:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:13:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <24818474.1107274301230.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:11:40 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: dark side of electric music Re: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <5qm1FD.A.LcE.-o6_BB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry to hear about the electrocutions, Chris. I've kissed the kilowatts a few times, but I've never seen what you have seen. I t must have been awful. Like you say, a total waste. (Keith Relf of the Yardbirds died a similar way in 1976.) For anyone playing a stringed instrument, here's a tip someone passed on to me: Nowadays I hold my guitar's tuning machines about 1/8" away from the mic (guitar volume on 10). If there is any potential, it will (in theory) make a pretty arc between the tuners and the mic instead of frying my lips. REPEAT THIS TEST EVERY TIME SOMEONE FLIPS A GROUND SWITCH ON THEIR AMP!!!!!!!! TRUST NOONE! ASSUME NOTHING! And DO NOT PLAY WITH OLDE-TYME AMPS THAT HAVE 2-PRONG POWER CORDS! Not unless you pull a J. Geils and play it through an isolation transformer!!! I was nearly killed by my Gibson Skylark, which had 120V potential between the front panel and the guitar strings. I touched the guitar and the amp at the same time and I swear the room went somewhere without me. Horrible. And please bear in mind that after you get jolted, YOU ARE STILL AT RISK FOR ARYTHMIA UP TO 24 HOURS AFTER THE SHOCK! I haven't had a problem in nearly 10 years, partly because I refuse to become complacent about something as awful as electrocution; I have a heart murmur, so my next good jolt could be my last. We've ALL gotta be careful. ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: Chris Lee Sent: Feb 1, 2005 9:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic I,ve been in two situations where friends I,ve known have been killed onstage ,one just after i had left and one as i was about to join.sad waste ,mobile gear is always vulnerabe to trouble ,simpy floating wires in plugs not checked regular,these days of trip switches have seen improvement. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Firman" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: Re: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic > Actually this isn't really true. Most of the time I don't play in > environments > that would cause me to become the ground conduit. I'm not a guitar player > either, so I'm not holding a ground lead in my hand while I'm plugged into > a notoriously badly wired device (a guitar amp). Most of the time I'm > pretty > safe in the studio or at gigs in pretty controlled environments (no > poolside > gigs or those behind cages designed to fend off thrown bottles). > > Granted I played one gig, where the performance space was in the basement > of a coffee shop. At one point I noticed that a pipe above my head was > dripping > dangerously close to my equipment, so I guess I might have been in danger > there. > > On Feb 1, 2005, at 12:47 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > >> At 09:55 AM 1/31/2005, Michael Firman wrote: >>> Lifting the ground on ALL the devices that are plugged in >>> usually fixes the problem. I've noticed that some devices seem >>> to be worse than others when connected, but ground lifting has >>> always solved the problem for me. >> >> This is also a really bad way to kill yourself. >> >> (The good ways involve shotguns and bridges, just fyi.) >> >> The problem with this method is you never really know when you are going >> to die, and it may come at an inconvenient time. For example, it's your >> record release party, all your friends and family are there, your kids >> are smiling up at you, everybody is thrilled with anticipation and oh so >> happy for your success, you go to play the first note, and ZAP! yer a >> black, smokey, spinal-tap-drummer spot on the stage. No Kurt Cobain cred >> for you. >> >> Good luck with it, and please let me know when your next gig is, >> kim >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> > -- > | Michael A. Firman > | maf@mlswebworks.com > | http://www.mlswebworks.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 12:38:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11HaAo29820; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:36:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:36:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: plastic chorus pedal = gold Re: Sonic Alienator - bit reduction / decimation pedal Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:34:08 +0000 Message-Id: <020120051734.5363.41FFBD900009A255000014F322058891160301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: <-HFwYD.A.iMH.Z27_BB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>(Arion's still-super-cheap analog delay is wonderful, BTW, but I already have a plastic MXR Time Delay that is my personal path to g*d.) ~Tim but that goes to show you that taste is in the eye of the beholder, so to speak. There's a local vintage shop near me that was blowing out the plastic MXR time delays for 50 bucks or something like that...needless to say I was very intrigued...until i plugged it in and felt it was weak and uninspiring. What good is an analog delay that won't even regenerate into self-oscillation? hehe. no offense, though, Tim. If it works, use the hell out of it! as for cheapo pedals that I recently have liked...I borrowed my band mates Danelectro Daddy-O distortion pedal. Yum! very sweet into my little vibrochamp. Anybody have any hints for bass overdrive? Tried out the Boss ODB-3 and the Digitech Bass Driver. Ick on both of them. My Sans Amp Bass Driver overdrives very nice, but it's duty right now is my primary preamp to my bass rig, so I can't be stomping on it as an overdrive pedal. My best bet right now is overdriving the signal using my Hughes and Kettner Replex, on the reverb channel with the reverb turned all the way down, so the signal is just gettting cranked through the preamp tube. It's a monster of a pedal, though, and I prefer it at home in front of my guitar amp. Anybody tried the MXR M-80 on bass? geek out, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 12:50:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11HnWl32196; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:49:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:49:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <020120051734.5363.41FFBD900009A255000014F322058891160301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> References: <020120051734.5363.41FFBD900009A255000014F322058891160301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <960273c58cc590894177fbec5f810dd9@mlswebworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: plastic chorus pedal = gold Re: Sonic Alienator - bit reduction / decimation pedal Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:51:19 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've liked the Boss Flanger pedal (I think it's now called the BF-3) for bass clarinet. Makes the thing just moan and groan. On Feb 1, 2005, at 11:34 AM, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: >>>> (Arion's still-super-cheap analog delay is wonderful, BTW, but I >>>> already have a > plastic MXR Time Delay that is my personal path to g*d.) > ~Tim > > but that goes to show you that taste is in the eye of the beholder, so > to speak. > There's a local vintage shop near me that was blowing out the plastic > MXR time delays for 50 bucks or something like that...needless to say > I was very intrigued...until i plugged it in and felt it was weak and > uninspiring. What good is an analog delay that won't even regenerate > into self-oscillation? hehe. > > no offense, though, Tim. If it works, use the hell out of it! > > as for cheapo pedals that I recently have liked...I borrowed my band > mates Danelectro Daddy-O distortion pedal. Yum! very sweet into my > little vibrochamp. > > Anybody have any hints for bass overdrive? Tried out the Boss ODB-3 > and the Digitech Bass Driver. Ick on both of them. My Sans Amp Bass > Driver overdrives very nice, but it's duty right now is my primary > preamp to my bass rig, so I can't be stomping on it as an overdrive > pedal. My best bet right now is overdriving the signal using my > Hughes and Kettner Replex, on the reverb channel with the reverb > turned all the way down, so the signal is just gettting cranked > through the preamp tube. It's a monster of a pedal, though, and I > prefer it at home in front of my guitar amp. > > Anybody tried the MXR M-80 on bass? > > geek out, > rich > > > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 12:51:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11Hnhg32214; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:49:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:49:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.240.108.185] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329CDB@lon-oxmail02> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:48:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 17:49:01.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[50148890:01C50886] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When playing through a solar powered system,there is no 60 cycle hum whatesoever. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 13:00:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11HvuT01465; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:57:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:57:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.240.108.185] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:56:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 17:57:01.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E3213F0:01C50887] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always wear rubber ,or otherwise insulating, soled shoes when playing electric instruments. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 13:12:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11I95P03256; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:09:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:09:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5251161.1107281234229.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:07:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: plastic chorus pedal = gold Re: Sonic Alienator - bit reduction / decimation pedal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "What good is an analog delay that won't even regenerate into self-oscillation? hehe." But that's what I use it for! It regenerates better than most delays I've heard, regardless of price. You must've gotten a crappy one. ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: thetoyroom@comcast.net Sent: Feb 1, 2005 12:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: plastic chorus pedal = gold Re: Sonic Alienator - bit reduction / decimation pedal >>>(Arion's still-super-cheap analog delay is wonderful, BTW, but I already have a plastic MXR Time Delay that is my personal path to g*d.) ~Tim but that goes to show you that taste is in the eye of the beholder, so to speak. There's a local vintage shop near me that was blowing out the plastic MXR time delays for 50 bucks or something like that...needless to say I was very intrigued...until i plugged it in and felt it was weak and uninspiring. What good is an analog delay that won't even regenerate into self-oscillation? hehe. no offense, though, Tim. If it works, use the hell out of it! as for cheapo pedals that I recently have liked...I borrowed my band mates Danelectro Daddy-O distortion pedal. Yum! very sweet into my little vibrochamp. Anybody have any hints for bass overdrive? Tried out the Boss ODB-3 and the Digitech Bass Driver. Ick on both of them. My Sans Amp Bass Driver overdrives very nice, but it's duty right now is my primary preamp to my bass rig, so I can't be stomping on it as an overdrive pedal. My best bet right now is overdriving the signal using my Hughes and Kettner Replex, on the reverb channel with the reverb turned all the way down, so the signal is just gettting cranked through the preamp tube. It's a monster of a pedal, though, and I prefer it at home in front of my guitar amp. Anybody tried the MXR M-80 on bass? geek out, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 16:57:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11LsUZ03536; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:54:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:54:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: how to make keyboards look more cool Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:53:27 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c508a8$76f2f8d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C508B0.D8B760D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C508B0.D8B760D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Keyboard players, it is a well known fact that keyboards are the most uncool looking instruments out there on the typical rock stage. I've come to the conclusion that, apart from specific less than perfect design concepts of some manufacturers, one of the main reasons is the actual keyboard itself, i.e. the big white surface. I'm thinking about a proper redesign for a project of mine (combining death metal and jungle/dnb influences). I do not want to paint my keyboard, so the question is: Has anybody experience with a redesign of the keyboard, e.g. by putting some kind of coloured (black, dark grey) material on top, which can be put in place and removed quickly, and which will not adversely affect the playing itself? Rainer ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C508B0.D8B760D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
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it is = a well known=20 fact that keyboards are the most uncool looking instruments out there on = the=20 typical rock stage. I've come to the conclusion that, apart from = specific less=20 than perfect design concepts of some manufacturers, one of the main = reasons is=20 the actual keyboard itself, i.e. the big white = surface.
 
I'm = thinking about a=20 proper redesign for a project of mine (combining death metal and = jungle/dnb=20 influences). I do not want to paint my keyboard, so the question=20 is:
 
Has = anybody=20 experience with a redesign of the keyboard, e.g. by putting some kind of = coloured (black, dark grey) material on top, which can be put in place = and=20 removed quickly, and which will not adversely affect the playing=20 itself?
 
 
       =20 Rainer
------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C508B0.D8B760D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 17:13:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11MAeP06281; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:10:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:10:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=zofWSjw5OJwO44uvznIpJIKyIVIlX2FJy3xBR+5ukfnVkxlFndb1y/q8hE9Uri7RpsyZ6k07ZLy/7HwOL7BDFg8Xr1CzuuLAxZ0VSc9O3AJwOpRzG4AK8TYENfMe2D2fBiy8DJ80qKrkslS0TFtnuybxRRH9g+BWR3RBzMP9lso= ; Message-ID: <20050201220950.79327.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:09:49 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: EDP next loop question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers, In recordig 2 loops i want to remain in loop 2 when i press next loop, but it inmediately jumps back to loop 1.It does it when i end recording with overdub but is there another alternative to this? i also want to keep the same loops lenght. thanx Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 17:25:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11MNfN09781; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:23:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:23:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=on9yvizgiCjzEcR2PWooAh6iqbYsXvx8cXlG58u7wT7lZFjahNTr6AfNvphP5Lrt7o4TYReSY0XoBXIlV5vWiWhxLSpRXc1hXxHtLgAyxnOeCvS5p0c8hPJgua74TpeQTYMAfW/ukC3Gw/nGQUaBrmHFMCGBcUrvNujVlDWFqCE= ; Message-ID: <20050201222153.47855.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:21:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- samba - wrote: > I always wear rubber ,or otherwise insulating, > soled shoes when playing electric instruments. Ah, but sometimes "ground" and "THE ground" are not synonymous and current takes the shortest route, which might just be from one hand to the other or from your lips to your fingers... While rubber-soled footwear is certainly not a BAD idea, it's not a substitute for properly-grounded equipment. -t- PS: (I'm a hypocrite; neither my Gibson Ranger nor my Sunn 200S are grounded, and I've gotten jolts from both and still use 'em.) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 17:34:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11MVj210893; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:31:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:31:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050201223020.52820.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:30:20 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: how to make keyboards look more cool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c508a8$76f2f8d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I was teaching myself keyboard I took a shortcut and put little sparkley Japenese cartoon stickers on each key to let me know which keys belong to what scales. Worked like a charm and was a hit with the kids. I can pretty much play without them now, but they're still there. Am I cool? Mark --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Dear Keyboard players, > > it is a well known fact that keyboards are the most > uncool looking > instruments out there on the typical rock stage. > I've come to the > conclusion that, apart from specific less than > perfect design concepts > of some manufacturers, one of the main reasons is > the actual keyboard > itself, i.e. the big white surface. > > I'm thinking about a proper redesign for a project > of mine (combining > death metal and jungle/dnb influences). I do not > want to paint my > keyboard, so the question is: > > Has anybody experience with a redesign of the > keyboard, e.g. by putting > some kind of coloured (black, dark grey) material on > top, which can be > put in place and removed quickly, and which will not > adversely affect > the playing itself? > > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 17:34:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11MXOL11369; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:33:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:33:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: how to make keyboards look more cool Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:34:14 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c508ae$291152a0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20050201223020.52820.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j11MWrM11129 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're the king of coolness, alas I fear not with a death metal crowd... -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2005 23:30 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: how to make keyboards look more cool When I was teaching myself keyboard I took a shortcut and put little sparkley Japenese cartoon stickers on each key to let me know which keys belong to what scales. Worked like a charm and was a hit with the kids. I can pretty much play without them now, but they're still there. Am I cool? Mark --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Dear Keyboard players, > > it is a well known fact that keyboards are the most > uncool looking > instruments out there on the typical rock stage. > I've come to the > conclusion that, apart from specific less than > perfect design concepts > of some manufacturers, one of the main reasons is > the actual keyboard > itself, i.e. the big white surface. > > I'm thinking about a proper redesign for a project > of mine (combining > death metal and jungle/dnb influences). I do not > want to paint my > keyboard, so the question is: > > Has anybody experience with a redesign of the > keyboard, e.g. by putting > some kind of coloured (black, dark grey) material on > top, which can be > put in place and removed quickly, and which will not adversely affect > the playing itself? > > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 17:37:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11MYgY11621; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:34:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:34:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=j9mqxewHi9Vdtw8/6gWd2dK4QcDEs06oKhYrwHLFm9VPcQ+7l/Ofsfjtxk2k1QhTUn57q9kKuVes1Dp2twkRsF+7+m0aw1VWOR9/7hMKgdjaKnwmnmv6uOZa/3FFJnuNaibDWNzgxjbls87IadgJ+etJwgzvkAR+rNKUAaVTi+c= ; Message-ID: <20050201223415.95835.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:34:15 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT sustainer problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001c01c507cf$d3b02bd0$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently had one installed on a Fender roland ready strat in san Diego,the sustainer seems to work fine but the roland midi pickup isnt working properly now, so the guitar tech is sending it to Roland because he couldnt find out what went wrong... Luis --- mark francombe wrote: > I know some of you have Fernandes sustainers fitted > to your guitars, so was wondering if you could help > me out , off list if ness. > > I recently bought a fernandes sustainer kit to > install it on my baritone guitar. > > I had it installed by a guitar technician here, but > im sure something is wrong. It squeals the whole > time, even though i have adjusted the trimpots as > directed (and tried extreme settings on these to TRY > to eliminate the sound). > > I realise that having it on a baritone is somewhat > different to normal, and that this may affect its > operation, but as the high strings on a baritone are > roughly equivlent to the middle strings on a regular > guitar i thought at least THEY would work. Indeed I > CAN get some operation on the high strings, but only > by using lots of distortion, and THEN i am getting > an effect like the "harmonic" setting sould be. > > When I try the "harmonic " setting I get just > intense high pitched squealing, not exactly feedback > but more like a radio tuning in... this sound is > continuous and cannot be eliminated by using the > strength control OR the trimpots. > > I do know what it SHOULD be like, as I have tried a > fernandes guitar in the past, then it was more of > the "ebow sound" this is ONLY uncontrolled piercing > NOISE!!! (the merzbow side of me LIKES it, but the > fripp side of me doesnt!!!) > > I have searched on the web for people with similar > problems, but can only find glowing reviews, so im > sure something is up!! > > Is it simply wired incorrectly (in which case I will > return it to the technician to fix) , or something > else.. can you give me something to try??? HELP!!!! > > > > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > > ---------------------------------------- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for > private users. > It has removed 6457 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their > emails. > Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 17:43:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11MfGY12944; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:41:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:41:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=E6wxNasBc4Yh1mrhYwtCYZKGAHIyZ9r+XnElguqdmwNJywhSS5rc6rA7NI3vHgjpliXlXZGwXYLvKS0516z6jBqesDHVDmgLqWaph83VGf+omrfYSKpuexzJWaJ1RdUEhFjNlVGqmY9I5Enx+xfS225PN0avOK1TTji6XM5v2Mg= ; Message-ID: <20050201223951.91046.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:39:51 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Line mixer w 2 effects sends? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050131111858.33013.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there Stephen, Just curious how good are the FX on the mackies CFX? i am considering getting the CFX1202 but i heard for the price is better to get them without FXs. cheers Luis --- S V G wrote: > > > Bill, > > < Mackie 3204, Samson pl-1602 > and mpl-1204 and the Alesis 12R. Any > recommendations?>> > > Also the discontinued (?) Samson PL2404 12 > stereo input line mixer. Sorry, I can't recommend > any but the Mackie because I've never used the other > ones. Kinda depends on whether or not the > specs will fit your needs I guess. > > > > < 3204 is a 5 space box. Is > this incorrect?>> > > My bad, it is 5 spaces. I guess it just > looked like 6... > > Stephen > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced > search. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 18:25:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11NO4Y18258; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:24:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:24:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <000001c508a8$76f2f8d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <000001c508a8$76f2f8d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <086e9c103514c35de315e11cf3b1bb7c@comcast.net> From: Lee Barnes Subject: Re: how to make keyboards look more cool Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:22:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j11NMfM18076 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you thought about trying out a Starr Labs controller? http://www.starrlabs.com/ On Feb 1, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Dear Keyboard players, >   > it is a well known fact that keyboards are the most uncool looking > instruments out there on the typical rock stage. I've come to the > conclusion that, apart from specific less than perfect design concepts > of some manufacturers, one of the main reasons is the actual keyboard > itself, i.e. the big white surface. >   > I'm thinking about a proper redesign for a project of mine (combining > death metal and jungle/dnb influences). I do not want to paint my > keyboard, so the question is: >   > Has anybody experience with a redesign of the keyboard, e.g. by > putting some kind of coloured (black, dark grey) material on top, > which can be put in place and removed quickly, and which will not > adversely affect the playing itself? >   >   >         Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 18:32:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11NV7l19053; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:31:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:31:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP next loop question Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:29:34 +0000 Message-Id: <020120052329.22599.420010DE0009823D0000584721979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 8 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: <0SvovB.A.rnE.lDBACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Loopers, > In recordig 2 loops i want to remain in loop 2 when i > press next loop, but it inmediately jumps back to loop > 1.It does it when i end recording with overdub but is > there another alternative to this? i also want to keep > the same loops lenght. > thanx > Luis > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com End loop 2 by hitting "Record". Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 18:32:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11NV6619050; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:31:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:31:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4200103E.90402@speakeasy.net> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:26:54 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: how to make keyboards look more cool References: <000701c508ae$291152a0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> In-Reply-To: <000701c508ae$291152a0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an idea for you, 4 years I bought a Roland digital harpsichord http://www.8thstreet.com/prod.asp?pid=9056 As you can see it's got black keys that are very cool and what appears to be white "accidentals". When I picked it up I discovered the white keys were actually a horribly uncool light grey. So, I went to the hardware store and bought some white vinyl adhesive tape. I very carefully stretched the vinyl tape over the top surface of each ugly grey key and trimmed any excess off the sides with an Xacto knife. They still look great, haven't slipped, and since the tape is vinyl are easy to clean. Maybe you can get some black vinyl tape and cover the surface of the white keys so every key is...none more black...voila, death metal killboard! Dennis Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >You're the king of coolness, alas I fear not with a death metal crowd... > >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] >Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2005 23:30 >An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Betreff: Re: how to make keyboards look more cool > > >When I was teaching myself keyboard I took a shortcut >and put little sparkley Japenese cartoon stickers on >each key to let me know which keys belong to what >scales. Worked like a charm and was a hit with the >kids. I can pretty much play without them now, but >they're still there. > >Am I cool? > >Mark > >--- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > >>Dear Keyboard players, >> >>it is a well known fact that keyboards are the most >>uncool looking >>instruments out there on the typical rock stage. >>I've come to the >>conclusion that, apart from specific less than >>perfect design concepts >>of some manufacturers, one of the main reasons is >>the actual keyboard >>itself, i.e. the big white surface. >> >>I'm thinking about a proper redesign for a project >>of mine (combining >>death metal and jungle/dnb influences). I do not >>want to paint my >>keyboard, so the question is: >> >>Has anybody experience with a redesign of the >>keyboard, e.g. by putting >>some kind of coloured (black, dark grey) material on >>top, which can be >>put in place and removed quickly, and which will not adversely affect >>the playing itself? >> >> >> Rainer >> >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 18:48:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11NkW720975; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:46:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:46:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=L+mSnfkM9qZF9D20jbJjbyViGWePuEiymrxgVwe/n+x/rJtIBVIJFUUHnpVfpRStCiq/1INrhGF7lURUo7/ZgWpmlSmMnOYvZTVnOaugy6rYCHZa5n3ZintELJcgx7XrEWAM/CdIzvtysiR3sM2N04I7AY7kWZrTQZid1yEH3Yw= ; Message-ID: <20050201234511.19801.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:45:10 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP next loop question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <020120052329.22599.420010DE0009823D0000584721979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, Yes,ive tried this but one of the problems i have by hitting record is not getting the timing exactly while jamming.I basically want to start soloing right away after ive layed down a b part and thats the nice thing about the round mode when i do a second press of "next loop" before closing it, which allows me to relax and give me a bit of time to think about the solo.It would be nice if i could stay in the second loop though! Luis --- mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > > > Loopers, > > In recordig 2 loops i want to remain in loop 2 > when i > > press next loop, but it inmediately jumps back to > loop > > 1.It does it when i end recording with overdub but > is > > there another alternative to this? i also want to > keep > > the same loops lenght. > > thanx > > Luis > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > End loop 2 by hitting "Record". > > Mark Smart > www.marksmart.net > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 19:04:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1202F923332; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:02:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:02:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.151.206.83] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <0DB87E92-731C-11D9-B89A-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Argh, now I have an edp problem Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:59:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 00:00:01.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[2464C410:01C508BA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok guys I know this is getting to be like a repetitive strain injury but I need a bit of help I have been using my EDP as normal not excessivly and not in storage for a long time, i turned it on a couple of days ago and all of a sudden there is a crackling noise on any sound that is recorded. the dry signal is clean and if i record silence that does not break the limiter threshold the sound is pretty clean (still a little louder thn I remeber) but as soon as I play a note or whatever there is a crackle introduced to the recording, this gets more prominant with each repeat. I have opened the unit and removed the loop 4 chips odd and even and the 4 boards of ram that my edp has. alas to no avail, im thinking it must be the anologue to digtal converter, i dont know what to do next, ive got shows coming up so there is a timeframe in which i would like to get stuff up and running again PLEASE PLEASE HELP, I need you guys. hope you can shed some light. Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 19:04:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1203q323500; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:03:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:03:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502020003.j1203VM23456@hemlock.violacea.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=ojpGkYKvjx9HgBjWn7zuCfvJoREwMvXAKoKfD01g/4SiP1PFlePA5UdqhmKVhWmA; Reply-To: From: "ejyuhas" To: Subject: RE: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:03:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUIuLzfubL1B2W7SuO2fNUoNE9WjwAARoSw In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc6bf4fdd1891a9a48eb6ec7f03339dd4b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.69.121.111 Resent-Message-ID: <_b9alB.A.xuF.TjBACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does this mean it is unsafe for me to loop at home in bare feet?? Oy. Which reminds me of an old Bugs Bunny reference... Me (looping): Bzzzzzzzzt!...Bzzzzzzzzt!...Bzzzzzzzzt!... Friend: Dude, that was an awesome loop! Me: Yeah, I know, but I can only do it ONCE ! (rimshot)...{{{crickets}}} Ed in NJ -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic I always wear rubber ,or otherwise insulating, soled shoes when playing electric instruments. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 19:24:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j120MdX25637; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:22:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:22:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=n7YHfrCGaUrePeBJ8xMwZUIpnCsqTpW+Qb+nLuyXAf8X/jHnIuxdhpIsBUWvGXcRf5ABo3r9AwsYe8n6DtnMTOarHZXmN6XVmFe+Y583rEe0wv7J7RQMENlCJymDH32IWi0ADckkkgXzW/Lc6agU4qMOAfRxN7JARuOXIx7GBWY= Message-ID: <26ba8d120502011621169d0e45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:21:36 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NYC loopers In-Reply-To: <20050201005737.76603.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050131002602.24435.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> <20050201005737.76603.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd love to play but I don't have a venue to play in... nor the time to arrange it these days... but include me in! On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:57:37 -0800 (PST), Tim Nelson wrote: > I'll be in NYC for a few days at the beginning of > March (4th-9th) with a fairly open schedule and an > abbreviated version of some sorta instrument>hardware > looping rig configuration; anyone wanna play? > > -t- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 19:35:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j120XCm27126; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:33:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:33:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP next loop question Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:34:47 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050201234511.19801.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9ESuR.A.YlG.w9BACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can configure the EDP to do a LoopCopy = Ti Then: 1. Press Record, play sound 2. Press Next Loop. This ends the first and immediately starts recording the second loop. If you press Record to end the 2nd loop it will quantize to the timing of the first loop. HTH Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2005 00:45 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP next loop question > > > Hi Mark, > Yes,ive tried this but one of the problems i have by > hitting record is not getting the timing exactly while > jamming.I basically want to start soloing right away > after ive layed down a b part and thats the nice thing > about the round mode when i do a second press of "next > loop" before closing it, which allows me to relax and > give me a bit of time to think about the solo.It would > be nice if i could stay in the second loop though! > Luis > > > > > > --- mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Loopers, > > > In recordig 2 loops i want to remain in loop 2 > > when i > > > press next loop, but it inmediately jumps back to > > loop > > > 1.It does it when i end recording with overdub but > > is > > > there another alternative to this? i also want to > > keep > > > the same loops lenght. > > > thanx > > > Luis > > > > > > ===== > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > End loop 2 by hitting "Record". > > > > Mark Smart > > www.marksmart.net > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > http://my.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 19:39:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j120bap27958; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:37:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:37:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how to make keyboards look more cool Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:37:09 +0000 Message-Id: <020220050037.5486.420020B4000EA0320000156E22007374780301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I might suggest you go to a sign/banner shop that specializes in 'vinyl cutting'. They use a plotter with a blade head to essentially 'cut out' graphics on sheets of roll vinyl. Usually, these type of shops have a good selection of vinyl, in a wide array of colors, and they would probably sell you a section of vinyl sheet in your choice of color. They even make roll vinyl in 'temporary' tack adhesive, for graphics that are intended to be removed. Then you can cut out small pieces, apply them to the keys, and use an x-acto blade or razor blade to clean up the edges. If you want to get really trick, you can make an outline of the exact shape of the keys in a drawing program like Corel Draw, Adobe Illustrator, or Macromedia Freehand, export the file as an .EPS file, and take that file to the graphics shop. They can import it into their software, 'plot' the shape, cut the vinyl, and then you are just removing the vinyl and applying it right to the keys, in the exact shape...just like putting on a bumper sticker. hope that helps, rich > I have an idea for you, > 4 years I bought a Roland digital harpsichord > http://www.8thstreet.com/prod.asp?pid=9056 > As you can see it's got black keys that are very cool and what appears > to be white "accidentals". When I picked it up I discovered the white > keys were actually a horribly uncool light grey. So, I went to the > hardware store and bought some white vinyl adhesive tape. I very > carefully stretched the vinyl tape over the top surface of each ugly > grey key and trimmed any excess off the sides with an Xacto knife. They > still look great, haven't slipped, and since the tape is vinyl are easy > to clean. Maybe you can get some black vinyl tape and cover the surface > of the white keys so every key is...none more black...voila, death metal > killboard! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 20:06:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1214fa32479; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:04:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:04:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <020220050037.5486.420020B4000EA0320000156E22007374780301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> References: <020220050037.5486.420020B4000EA0320000156E22007374780301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1B5942EC-74B6-11D9-AEB9-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: how to make keyboards look more cool Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:02:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Coincidentally, one of the big manufacturers of vinyl cutters is... Roland. Last i checked there were far more Roland vinyl cutters than guitar synths on eBay, let alone digital harpsichords. On Feb 1, 2005, at 4:37 PM, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: > I might suggest you go to a sign/banner shop that specializes in > 'vinyl cutting'. They use a plotter with a blade head to essentially > 'cut out' graphics on sheets of roll vinyl. > > Usually, these type of shops have a good selection of vinyl, in a wide > array of colors, and they would probably sell you a section of vinyl > sheet in your choice of color. They even make roll vinyl in > 'temporary' tack adhesive, for graphics that are intended to be > removed. > > Then you can cut out small pieces, apply them to the keys, and use an > x-acto blade or razor blade to clean up the edges. If you want to get > really trick, you can make an outline of the exact shape of the keys > in a drawing program like Corel Draw, Adobe Illustrator, or Macromedia > Freehand, export the file as an .EPS file, and take that file to the > graphics shop. They can import it into their software, 'plot' the > shape, cut the vinyl, and then you are just removing the vinyl and > applying it right to the keys, in the exact shape...just like putting > on a bumper sticker. > > hope that helps, > > rich > > >> I have an idea for you, >> 4 years I bought a Roland digital harpsichord >> http://www.8thstreet.com/prod.asp?pid=9056 >> As you can see it's got black keys that are very cool and what appears >> to be white "accidentals". When I picked it up I discovered the white >> keys were actually a horribly uncool light grey. So, I went to the >> hardware store and bought some white vinyl adhesive tape. I very >> carefully stretched the vinyl tape over the top surface of each ugly >> grey key and trimmed any excess off the sides with an Xacto knife. >> They >> still look great, haven't slipped, and since the tape is vinyl are >> easy >> to clean. Maybe you can get some black vinyl tape and cover the >> surface >> of the white keys so every key is...none more black...voila, death >> metal >> killboard! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 20:13:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j121BTu01130; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:11:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:11:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=UEw1ZhKQ8lr21iVf9nB37ygq1eDatj7iwbhy13NvEN11Wgil5VHWDrWFgqh2srSYsmSFl7EGe60h7uCa4vGh64h4i8z8gKK6leFvfNtWg5ovOOi5svFfH8oX9pAMhvrdG/LeQwhY4D/l+EHXuYcqEwVjoZdZd02KjVWZMY8DvzA= ; Message-ID: <20050202011030.29754.qmail@web53702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:10:30 -0800 (PST) From: Monica Subject: Re: how to make keyboards look more cool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1B5942EC-74B6-11D9-AEB9-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-3741531-1107306630=:26583" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-3741531-1107306630=:26583 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On a related note, I have an old Farfisa professional keyboard - 2 tiered - that I got very old and used and which looked very bad but played great and also came with its own soundbox the owner had made. I solved its aesthetic problems by covering the entire exterior with purple da-glo fake fur. Monica Alex Stahl wrote: Coincidentally, one of the big manufacturers of vinyl cutters is... Roland. Last i checked there were far more Roland vinyl cutters than guitar synths on eBay, let alone digital harpsichords. On Feb 1, 2005, at 4:37 PM, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: > I might suggest you go to a sign/banner shop that specializes in > 'vinyl cutting'. They use a plotter with a blade head to essentially > 'cut out' graphics on sheets of roll vinyl. > > Usually, these type of shops have a good selection of vinyl, in a wide > array of colors, and they would probably sell you a section of vinyl > sheet in your choice of color. They even make roll vinyl in > 'temporary' tack adhesive, for graphics that are intended to be > removed. > > Then you can cut out small pieces, apply them to the keys, and use an > x-acto blade or razor blade to clean up the edges. If you want to get > really trick, you can make an outline of the exact shape of the keys > in a drawing program like Corel Draw, Adobe Illustrator, or Macromedia > Freehand, export the file as an .EPS file, and take that file to the > graphics shop. They can import it into their software, 'plot' the > shape, cut the vinyl, and then you are just removing the vinyl and > applying it right to the keys, in the exact shape...just like putting > on a bumper sticker. > > hope that helps, > > rich > > >> I have an idea for you, >> 4 years I bought a Roland digital harpsichord >> http://www.8thstreet.com/prod.asp?pid=9056 >> As you can see it's got black keys that are very cool and what appears >> to be white "accidentals". When I picked it up I discovered the white >> keys were actually a horribly uncool light grey. So, I went to the >> hardware store and bought some white vinyl adhesive tape. I very >> carefully stretched the vinyl tape over the top surface of each ugly >> grey key and trimmed any excess off the sides with an Xacto knife. >> They >> still look great, haven't slipped, and since the tape is vinyl are >> easy >> to clean. Maybe you can get some black vinyl tape and cover the >> surface >> of the white keys so every key is...none more black...voila, death >> metal >> killboard! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-3741531-1107306630=:26583 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On a related note, I have an old Farfisa professional keyboard - 2 tiered -
that I got very old and used and which looked very bad but played great and also came
with its own soundbox the owner had made. I solved its aesthetic problems by covering
the entire exterior with purple da-glo fake fur.
Monica

Alex Stahl <alex@pixar.com> wrote:
Coincidentally, one of the big manufacturers of vinyl cutters is...
Roland. Last i checked there were far more Roland vinyl cutters than
guitar synths on eBay, let alone digital harpsichords.


On Feb 1, 2005, at 4:37 PM, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote:

> I might suggest you go to a sign/banner shop that specializes in
> 'vinyl cutting'. They use a plotter with a blade head to essentially
> 'cut out' graphics on sheets of roll vinyl.
>
> Usually, these type of shops have a good selection of vinyl, in a wide
> array of colors, and they would probably sell you a section of vinyl
> sheet in your choice of color. They even make roll vinyl in
> 'temporary' tack adhesive, for graphics that are intended to be
> removed.
>
> Then you can cut out small pieces, apply them to the keys, and use an
> x-acto blade or razor blade to clean up the edges. If you want to get
> really trick, you can make an outline of the exact shape of the keys
> in a drawing program like Corel Draw, Adobe Illustrator, or Macromedia
> Freehand, export the file as an .EPS file, and take that file to the
> graphics shop. They can import it into their software, 'plot' the
> shape, cut the vinyl, and then you are just removing the vinyl and
> applying it right to the keys, in the exact shape...just like putting
> on a bumper sticker.
>
> hope that helps,
>
> rich
>
>
>> I have an idea for you,
>> 4 years I bought a Roland digital harpsichord
>> http://www.8thstreet.com/prod.asp?pid=9056
>> As you can see it's got black keys that are very cool and what appears
>> to be white "accidentals". When I picked it up I discovered the white
>> keys were actually a horribly uncool light grey. So, I went to the
>> hardware store and bought some white vinyl adhesive tape. I very
>> carefully stretched the vinyl tape over the top surface of each ugly
>> grey key and trimmed any excess off the sides with an Xacto knife.
>> They
>> still look great, haven't slipped, and since the tape is vinyl are
>> easy
>> to clean. Maybe you can get some black vinyl tape and cover the
>> surface
>> of the white keys so every key is...none more black...voila, death
>> metal
>> killboard!
>
>

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-3741531-1107306630=:26583-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 20:30:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j121SsS03211; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:28:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:28:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mgaZCMb7LEV/UVheVc6yuy2C6/JmUvorsRYymxamWCoq+2TKDfs3aUTYCyCKTrkl7j5FaXHAPQ2s1EF7mz99ghAc6eJMzUIE6Fu4MrJpOlZJsI5HWhJPeAgfINo/ogZrlf4srteJQCDh3aBdWZn9VBXYeZMbPucDuz467XtdQio= Message-ID: <2fb9e47305020117287056ead9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:28:24 -0500 From: Clint Allen Reply-To: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 pedal calibration In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050201081657.02b5c430@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050201081657.02b5c430@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy, Thanks for the info.... Originally, I thought I was replying to Behringer's tech support, as I looked at the signature information of the email, and not to the sender. Sorry about that. I think this might be an issue for Behringer now, as no amount of pressure on the pedal is seemingly going to take it below 8...Strange. I even tried to "push" the ribbon sensor to one side, thus faking out the unit into thinking the pedal was going further back than it really can, but to no avail. Oh, and now by doing so, I just pulled the sensor out of the slot that it goes down into. Nice one, Clint. Jeeeez...and Yay! Expression Pedal A is no longer working at all !! Back to a series of EV-5's for a while..... Clint Allen www.clintallen.com On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:19:31 +0000, a k butler wrote: > At 02:36 01/02/05, you wrote: > > >Greetings > > > >I hope it is acceptable that I replied to this email, but I do have a > >question: > > copied this to LD, hope that's also acceptable > > > >When I try to calibrate as instructed below, I cannot get either > >expression pedal's lowest value lower than 8. How do you adjust the > >values if they are not being correctly adjusted by the expression > >pedals themselves? > > This is because the pedal isn't 100% rigid. > It slips back slightly after you let go the pressure. > > Probably if you keep standing on it you can get 0. > > When calibrating, watch the numbers in the display, and make sure the pedal > is a couple of digits away from the end of it's motion at each calibration. > > OR, alternatively, put spacers under the pedals before calibrating, and > remove them after. > > hope that helps > > andy > > >Thank you, > >Clint Allen > >Louisville > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 22:28:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j123RAP20230; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:27:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:27:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=AEhHH2BmY119oNZ6rxob23zmKW1j9dpPMRixyimPNvCvPoCHMHpPwHB8zr2CQeRZwGLe6JsemIFdmk8dbH3TukFFEEw9Dfg2vKuyjpMlRtF7Qn/DX9i57grOdXtEgjFx8RwIMpRddcQfr9K7Cytrd6RF1h08uJ4sa9ENQL/leTA= ; Message-ID: <20050202032627.94504.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:26:27 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: EDP next loop question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanx Bernhard i am at work now so i cannot try it out but once closing the second loop will it remain in the second one or bounce back to the first one? Luis --- Bernhard Wagner wrote: > You can configure the EDP to do a LoopCopy = Ti > Then: > > 1. Press Record, play sound > 2. Press Next Loop. This ends the first and > immediately > starts recording the second loop. If you press > Record to end the 2nd loop it will quantize to > the timing of the first loop. > > HTH > Bernhard > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2005 00:45 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: EDP next loop question > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > Yes,ive tried this but one of the problems i have > by > > hitting record is not getting the timing exactly > while > > jamming.I basically want to start soloing right > away > > after ive layed down a b part and thats the nice > thing > > about the round mode when i do a second press of > "next > > loop" before closing it, which allows me to relax > and > > give me a bit of time to think about the solo.It > would > > be nice if i could stay in the second loop though! > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > --- mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loopers, > > > > In recordig 2 loops i want to remain in loop 2 > > > when i > > > > press next loop, but it inmediately jumps back > to > > > loop > > > > 1.It does it when i end recording with overdub > but > > > is > > > > there another alternative to this? i also want > to > > > keep > > > > the same loops lenght. > > > > thanx > > > > Luis > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > End loop 2 by hitting "Record". > > > > > > Mark Smart > > > www.marksmart.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 22:42:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j123fNH21776; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:41:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:41:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP next loop question Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:44:00 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050202032627.94504.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It will stay in the 2nd. B. > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2005 04:26 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: EDP next loop question > > > Thanx Bernhard i am at work now so i cannot try it out > but once closing the second loop will it remain in the > second one or bounce back to the first one? > Luis > > > > --- Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > > You can configure the EDP to do a LoopCopy = Ti > > Then: > > > > 1. Press Record, play sound > > 2. Press Next Loop. This ends the first and > > immediately > > starts recording the second loop. If you press > > Record to end the 2nd loop it will quantize to > > the timing of the first loop. > > > > HTH > > Bernhard > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2005 00:45 > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: EDP next loop question > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > Yes,ive tried this but one of the problems i have > > by > > > hitting record is not getting the timing exactly > > while > > > jamming.I basically want to start soloing right > > away > > > after ive layed down a b part and thats the nice > > thing > > > about the round mode when i do a second press of > > "next > > > loop" before closing it, which allows me to relax > > and > > > give me a bit of time to think about the solo.It > > would > > > be nice if i could stay in the second loop though! > > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loopers, > > > > > In recordig 2 loops i want to remain in loop 2 > > > > when i > > > > > press next loop, but it inmediately jumps back > > to > > > > loop > > > > > 1.It does it when i end recording with overdub > > but > > > > is > > > > > there another alternative to this? i also want > > to > > > > keep > > > > > the same loops lenght. > > > > > thanx > > > > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > End loop 2 by hitting "Record". > > > > > > > > Mark Smart > > > > www.marksmart.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 22:45:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j123htB22380; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:43:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:43:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050202011030.29754.qmail@web53702.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050202011030.29754.qmail@web53702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-159536818 Message-Id: <113f1df018fbab7045bf9ca260272f2b@mlswebworks.com> From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: how to make keyboards look more cool Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:42:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-159536818 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Purple day-glo fake fur, eh. Quit eye catching. Reminds me of the old Custom line which came in rolled and pleated metal flaked vinyl (the line included various sized amps and a combo organ). On Feb 1, 2005, at 7:10 PM, Monica wrote: > On=A0a related note, I have an old Farfisa professional keyboard - 2=20= > tiered - > that I got very old and used and which looked very bad but=20 > played=A0great and also came > with its own soundbox the owner had made. I solved its aesthetic=20 > problems by covering > the entire exterior with purple da-glo fake fur. > Monica > > Alex Stahl wrote: > Coincidentally, one of the big manufacturers of vinyl cutters is... > Roland. Last i checked there were far more Roland vinyl cutters than > guitar synths on eBay, let alone digital harpsichords. > > > On Feb 1, 2005, at 4:37 PM, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: > > > I might suggest you go to a sign/banner shop that specializes in > > 'vinyl cutting'. They use a plotter with a blade head to essentially > > 'cut out' graphics on sheets of roll vinyl. > > > > Usually, these type of shops have a good selection of vinyl, in a=20 > wide > > array of colors, and they would probably sell you a section of = vinyl > > sheet in your choice of color. They even make roll vinyl in > > 'temporary' tack adhesive, for graphics that are intended to be > > removed. > > > > Then you can cut out small pieces, apply them to the keys, and use=20= > an ! > > x-acto blade or razor blade to clean up the edges. If you want to = get > > really trick, you can make an outline of the exact shape of the = keys > > in a drawing program like Corel Draw, Adobe Illustrator, or=20 > Macromedia > > Freehand, export the file as an .EPS file, and take that file to = the > > graphics shop. They can import it into their software, 'plot' the > > shape, cut the vinyl, and then you are just removing the vinyl and > > applying it right to the keys, in the exact shape...just like=20 > putting > > on a bumper sticker. > > > > hope that helps, > > > > rich > > > > > >> I have an idea for you, > >> 4 years I bought a Roland digital harpsichord > >> http://www.8thstreet.com/prod.asp?pid=3D9056 > >> As you can see it's got black keys that are very cool and what=20 > appears > >> to be white "accidentals". When I picked it up I discovered the=20 > white > >> keys were actually a horri! bly uncool light grey. So, I went to = the > >> hardware store and bought some white vinyl adhesive tape. I very > >> carefully stretched the vinyl tape over the top surface of each = ugly > >> grey key and trimmed any excess off the sides with an Xacto knife. > >> They > >> still look great, haven't slipped, and since the tape is vinyl are > >> easy > >> to clean. Maybe you can get some black vinyl tape and cover the > >> surface > >> of the white keys so every key is...none more black...voila, death > >> metal > >> killboard! > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-1-159536818 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Purple day-glo fake fur, eh. Quit eye catching. Reminds me of the old Custom line which came in rolled and pleated metal flaked vinyl (the line included various sized amps and a combo organ). On Feb 1, 2005, at 7:10 PM, Monica wrote: On=A0a related note, I have an old Farfisa professional keyboard - 2 tiered - that I got very old and used and which looked very bad but played=A0great and also came with its own soundbox the owner had made. I solved its aesthetic problems by covering the entire exterior with purple da-glo fake fur. Monica Alex Stahl < wrote: Coincidentally, one of the big manufacturers of vinyl cutters is... Roland. Last i checked there were far more Roland vinyl cutters than guitar synths on eBay, let alone digital harpsichords. On Feb 1, 2005, at 4:37 PM, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: > I might suggest you go to a sign/banner shop that specializes in=20 > 'vinyl cutting'. They use a plotter with a blade head to essentially > 'cut out' graphics on sheets of roll vinyl. > > Usually, these type of shops have a good selection of vinyl, in a wide > array of colors, and they would probably sell you a section of vinyl > sheet in your choice of color. They even make roll vinyl in=20 > 'temporary' tack adhesive, for graphics that are intended to be=20 > removed. > > Then you can cut out small pieces, apply them to the keys, and use an !=20 > x-acto blade or razor blade to clean up the edges. If you want to get > really trick, you can make an outline of the exact shape of the keys > in a drawing program like Corel Draw, Adobe Illustrator, or Macromedia > Freehand, export the file as an .EPS file, and take that file to the > graphics shop. They can import it into their software, 'plot' the > shape, cut the vinyl, and then you are just removing the vinyl and > applying it right to the keys, in the exact shape...just like putting > on a bumper sticker. > > hope that helps, > > rich > > >> I have an idea for you, >> 4 years I bought a Roland digital harpsichord >> http://www.8thstreet.com/prod.asp?pid=3D9056 >> As you can see it's got black keys that are very cool and what appears >> to be white "accidentals". When I picked it up I discovered the white >> keys were actually a horri! bly uncool light grey. So, I went to the >> hardware store and bought some white vinyl adhesive tape. I very >> carefully stretched the vinyl tape over the top surface of each ugly >> grey key and trimmed any excess off the sides with an Xacto knife. >> They >> still look great, haven't slipped, and since the tape is vinyl are >> easy >> to clean. Maybe you can get some black vinyl tape and cover the >> surface >> of the white keys so every key is...none more black...voila, death >> metal >> killboard! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-1-159536818-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 23:07:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1245sV25644; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:05:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:05:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502020404.CQT69603@ms3.netsolmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:04:37 -0700 From: Krispen Hartung Subject: RE: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: info@krispenhartung.com X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you serious? Do you use solar power? Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:48:10 -0800 From: "samba -" Add To Address Book Subject: RE: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com When playing through a solar powered system,there is no 60 cycle hum whatesoever. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 23:30:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j124SuB28463; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:28:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:28:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=10S+4lRwLZRpAGOwQsznz/5vb1VIz+JwnOnlBJ1vtxN+zmas/E4W/iLv5uja3+JmqlBc09SVPtAkD0UtYsIUrwDRUCmWINzxDmzFVFCcflkBaHoGcvK5QOnp6N1nYiOjJ9idBtAJr1GeEQieyok+GRSxVmUN5hdzAyOOfc3Uds8= ; Message-ID: <20050202042801.78877.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:28:01 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re:60 cycle hum in racks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200501312016.j0VKGdF04357@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2UJCVC.A.07G.YbFACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Krispen, Ebtech Hum Eliminator Stephen > 60 cycle hum....drives me insane too. I've been meaning to post > something on this to the group, ways to eliminate it in racks. > > I've tried: (snip) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 1 23:40:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j124cIk29685; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:38:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:38:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c508e1$e05bbee0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <000001c508a8$76f2f8d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: how to make keyboards look more cool Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:44:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C508B7.F6E57F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.163.185.71] at Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:37:58 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C508B7.F6E57F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NachrichtWhile this may not be practical for some gigs, putting your = keyboard on top of a beautiful woman who is lying down on a table will = help make your keyboard practically invisible, while at the same time = stealing some eyeball action from the singer and lead guitar player. = Make that a nude woman and you'll be able to book more solo shows too. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: how to make keyboards look more cool Dear Keyboard players, it is a well known fact that keyboards are the most uncool looking = instruments out there on the typical rock stage. I've come to the = conclusion that, apart from specific less than perfect design concepts = of some manufacturers, one of the main reasons is the actual keyboard = itself, i.e. the big white surface. I'm thinking about a proper redesign for a project of mine (combining = death metal and jungle/dnb influences). I do not want to paint my = keyboard, so the question is: Has anybody experience with a redesign of the keyboard, e.g. by = putting some kind of coloured (black, dark grey) material on top, which = can be put in place and removed quickly, and which will not adversely = affect the playing itself? Rainer ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C508B7.F6E57F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht

While this may not be practical for = some gigs,=20 putting your keyboard on top of a beautiful woman who is lying down on a = table=20 will help make your keyboard practically invisible, while at the same = time=20 stealing some eyeball action from the singer and lead guitar = player.  Make=20 that a nude woman and you'll be able to book more solo shows=20 too.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
To: Looper's Delight = Mailing=20 List
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, = 2005 4:53=20 PM
Subject: how to make keyboards = look more=20 cool

Dear = Keyboard=20 players,
 
it = is a well known=20 fact that keyboards are the most uncool looking instruments out there = on the=20 typical rock stage. I've come to the conclusion that, apart from = specific less=20 than perfect design concepts of some manufacturers, one of the main = reasons is=20 the actual keyboard itself, i.e. the big white = surface.
 
I'm = thinking about=20 a proper redesign for a project of mine (combining death metal and = jungle/dnb=20 influences). I do not want to paint my keyboard, so the question=20 is:
 
Has = anybody=20 experience with a redesign of the keyboard, e.g. by putting some kind = of=20 coloured (black, dark grey) material on top, which can be put in place = and=20 removed quickly, and which will not adversely affect the playing=20 itself?
 
 
       =20 Rainer
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C508B7.F6E57F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 00:00:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j124wkA00430; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:58:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:58:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:00:13 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: how to make keyboards look more cool In-Reply-To: <002a01c508e1$e05bbee0$0affff0a@hppav> Message-ID: References: <000001c508a8$76f2f8d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <002a01c508e1$e05bbee0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > NachrichtWhile this may not be practical for some gigs, putting your > keyboard on top of a beautiful woman who is lying down on a table will > help make your keyboard practically invisible, while at the same time > stealing some eyeball action from the singer and lead guitar player. > Make that a nude woman and you'll be able to book more solo shows too. Sure, that'll work, but how often do you see "Wanted: keyboard player for Satanic Black Mass, Saturday midnight" in the local musicians section of the paper anyway? best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 00:01:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j124xqQ00739; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:59:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:59:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42001659.6070300@toadmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:52:57 +0000 From: Todd Pafford User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: power amp? RE: Line mixer w 2 effects sends? References: <20165828.1107190459984.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <20165828.1107190459984.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > As long as we're talking about useful-but-unglamorous pieces of > equipment, what do you guys think is the most cost-effective (used) > PA power amp? ~Tim "Spore Crayon" Mungenast I love my Carvin DCM150. 150 watts, stereo, powers my guitar rig. I've got it powering 2 Carvin 805 club speakers with 2 10" cones + tweeters. Sounds beautiful. I might need more power to get volume over a drum kit, but based on this setup I'd go straight to Carvin. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 00:15:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j125EN302548; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:14:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:14:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=fMC1TqCTSax1ycXyw2WFuxlsRDMGXNLJIcFz7RlBUtaDx8Dy5G4eMPfKGdTkTfHOArrceUaaBIvBFHWxgkxW6xNE82htdll/4xu9N1tFqI2ucXSBGEkKga9IzUbMeqPd9St5POPVc75xuZKdCooVmDuWgeg/R+8zymyWGqUKrAw= ; Message-ID: <20050202051400.49827.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:14:00 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: RE: Line mixer w 2 effects sends? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200502020328.j123SbT20398@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luis, I've never heard a Mackie CFX mixer so I couldn't help you there. A friend of mine who used to work for Mackie says that the built-in FX are a joke. According to him, you'd be much better off putting your money towards a VLZ pro. (One of the benefits of living in Seattle is being in the midst of Mackie-ville.) Stephen <> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 00:16:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j125DWu02427; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:13:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:13:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <420019B8.5080008@toadmail.com> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:07:20 +0000 From: Todd Pafford User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how to make keyboards look more cool References: <20050202011030.29754.qmail@web53702.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050202011030.29754.qmail@web53702.mail.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Monica wrote: > On a related note, I have an old Farfisa professional keyboard - 2 tiered - > that I got very old and used and which looked very bad but played great > and also came > with its own soundbox the owner had made. I solved its aesthetic > problems by covering > the entire exterior with purple da-glo fake fur. > Monica > Reminds me of a guitarist friend of mine who wired the delay time knob of his Boss DD-3 delay pedal to an old Dunlop Crybaby Wah pedal then mounted the Crybaby on a classical guitarist's footstool so it stands above his pedal board and covered the whole affair in fluffy white fake fur. You know something crazy's about to happen when he steps on that monster. Then the sonic mayhem happens. It's great. :) Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 03:42:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j128diw24309; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:39:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:39:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c50902$5a1f4330$6f00a8c0@tl.no> From: "markred" To: Subject: OT Sustainer problem FIXED!!!! Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:36:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5090A.BBBE21D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5090A.BBBE21D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For all of you that helped me off list to try out a few things to get my = Fernandes Sustainer to work Thanks.. It does!!! Thought I would post the solution here so it is in the archives, and cos = its so f***ing simple!! Well sort of.. I just had to remove the neck = pickup that was adjacent to it.. apparently it was generating = interferance... luckily the sustiner driver appears to be an OK pickup, = so I can still use (my favorite) pickup position... I just removed all = the magnets and metal from that pickup and now its just an empty plastic = box. I tried a few things before going to such drastic measure, like = turning it round, and turning the bridge pickup.. but it was best if I = just got rid of the barstard! .. but I have one more question... I also have a GK midi pickup installed.. AND.... I was wondering if the = power that comes up the synth cable could be used to drive the = sustainer.. I gather that the batteries dont last that long, and when I = measured the voltages that come up the cable, there was one pin, = presumably power for the synth curcuitry, that was about 7.5 volts. Now = im not sure if that would be enough to power the sustainer, or if it = would have some other adverse effects... I have had terrible experience = with active pickups having their battery run out just before a gig, so = am keen to eliminate this, especially as I have to unscrew the back = plate to change the batt...? Any ideas/opinions?? BTW, the sustainers GREAT.. too smooth for me, but then I guess I have = to track down one of these Bitrman things everyone is talking about!!! = ..and the girlfriend wants a new fridge... ha ha ha... I keep telling = her its all about priorities!! Mark ps. now I have a gap where the old pickup used to be.. anyone know of = any other fun stuff I could squeeze in there?? heh heh! www.markfrancombe.com ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5090A.BBBE21D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For all of you that helped me off list to try = out a few=20 things to get my Fernandes Sustainer to work Thanks.. It=20 does!!!
 
Thought I = would post the=20 solution here so it is in the archives, and cos its so f***ing simple!!=20 Well sort of.. = I just had to remove the neck pickup = that was=20 adjacent to it.. apparently it was generating interferance... luckily the sustiner driver appears to be an OK pickup, so I = can still=20 use (my favorite) pickup position... I just=20 removed all the magnets and metal from that pickup and now its just an = empty=20 plastic box. I tried a few things before going to such drastic measure, = like=20 turning it round, and turning the bridge pickup.. but it was best if I = just got=20 rid of the barstard!
 
.. but I have one=20 more question...
 
I also have a GK midi = pickup=20 installed.. AND.... I was = wondering=20 if the power that comes up the synth cable could be used to drive the=20 sustainer.. I gather that the batteries dont last that long, and when I = measured=20 the voltages that come up the cable, there was one pin, presumably = power=20 for the synth curcuitry, that was about 7.5 volts. Now im not sure if = that would=20 be enough to power the sustainer, or if it would have some other adverse effects...  I have=20 had terrible experience with active pickups having their battery run out = just=20 before a gig, so am keen to eliminate this, especially as I have to = unscrew the=20 back plate to change the batt...? Any=20 ideas/opinions??
 
BTW, the sustainers GREAT.. = too smooth for=20 me, but then I guess I have to track down one of these Bitrman things = everyone=20 is talking about!!! ..and the girlfriend wants a new fridge...  ha = ha ha...=20 I keep telling her its all about = priorities!!
 
 
Mark
 
ps. now I have a gap where the = old pickup=20 used to be.. anyone know of any other fun stuff I could squeeze in = there?? heh=20 heh!
 
 
www.markfrancombe.com
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5090A.BBBE21D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 04:19:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j129HcP29956; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:17:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:17:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: how to make keyboards look more cool Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:18:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c50908$28ec2480$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1B5942EC-74B6-11D9-AEB9-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j129H8M29888 Resent-Message-ID: <1amTUC.A.XTH.ZqJACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, Roland is a leader in the segment of vinyl cutters - but it's MAN Roland (Germany), not the Japanese guys... -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Alex Stahl [mailto:alex@pixar.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2005 02:02 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: how to make keyboards look more cool Coincidentally, one of the big manufacturers of vinyl cutters is... Roland. Last i checked there were far more Roland vinyl cutters than guitar synths on eBay, let alone digital harpsichords. On Feb 1, 2005, at 4:37 PM, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: > I might suggest you go to a sign/banner shop that specializes in > 'vinyl cutting'. They use a plotter with a blade head to essentially > 'cut out' graphics on sheets of roll vinyl. > > Usually, these type of shops have a good selection of vinyl, in a wide > array of colors, and they would probably sell you a section of vinyl > sheet in your choice of color. They even make roll vinyl in > 'temporary' tack adhesive, for graphics that are intended to be > removed. > > Then you can cut out small pieces, apply them to the keys, and use an > x-acto blade or razor blade to clean up the edges. If you want to get > really trick, you can make an outline of the exact shape of the keys > in a drawing program like Corel Draw, Adobe Illustrator, or Macromedia > Freehand, export the file as an .EPS file, and take that file to the > graphics shop. They can import it into their software, 'plot' the > shape, cut the vinyl, and then you are just removing the vinyl and > applying it right to the keys, in the exact shape...just like putting > on a bumper sticker. > > hope that helps, > > rich > > >> I have an idea for you, >> 4 years I bought a Roland digital harpsichord >> http://www.8thstreet.com/prod.asp?pid=9056 >> As you can see it's got black keys that are very cool and what >> appears to be white "accidentals". When I picked it up I discovered >> the white keys were actually a horribly uncool light grey. So, I >> went to the hardware store and bought some white vinyl adhesive tape. >> I very carefully stretched the vinyl tape over the top surface of >> each ugly grey key and trimmed any excess off the sides with an Xacto knife. >> They >> still look great, haven't slipped, and since the tape is vinyl are >> easy >> to clean. Maybe you can get some black vinyl tape and cover the >> surface >> of the white keys so every key is...none more black...voila, death >> metal >> killboard! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 05:22:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12AJiL05345; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:19:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:19:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.144.120] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT sustainer problem Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:17:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 10:18:00.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[79504E80:01C50910] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I recently had one installed on a Fender roland ready >strat in san Diego,the sustainer seems to work fine >but the roland midi pickup isnt working properly now, >so the guitar tech is sending it to Roland because he >couldnt find out what went wrong... >Luis if they're next to each other in the control cavity, then they will interfere with each other. i had an internal GK and a sustainiac fitted on one of my custom guitars and they had to be installed in separate cavities in the guitar to keep them apart. i think there's something on the sustainiac website about it. i doubt there's a problem with the GK pickup sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 05:27:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12AQ9C06337; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:26:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:26:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <007b01c50910$a98acda0$d69ffe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <20050202011030.29754.qmail@web53702.mail.yahoo.com> <420019B8.5080008@toadmail.com> Subject: Re: how to make keyboards look more cool Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:07:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like Julian Cope who once had his Mellotron tolexed in day-glo red... not to mention the Farfisa Compact Duo in leopard skin fake fur I´ve seen once... Stephen. ____________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________ "Our land is a rape machine, I´d go outside if it looked the other way. You wouldn´t believe the things they do." (Gary Numan / "Down in the Park") Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Pafford" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 1:07 AM Subject: Re: how to make keyboards look more cool > Monica wrote: > > On a related note, I have an old Farfisa professional keyboard - 2 tiered - > > that I got very old and used and which looked very bad but played great > > and also came > > with its own soundbox the owner had made. I solved its aesthetic > > problems by covering > > the entire exterior with purple da-glo fake fur. > > Monica > > > > Reminds me of a guitarist friend of mine who wired the delay time knob > of his Boss DD-3 delay pedal to an old Dunlop Crybaby Wah pedal then > mounted the Crybaby on a classical guitarist's footstool so it stands > above his pedal board and covered the whole affair in fluffy white fake > fur. You know something crazy's about to happen when he steps on that > monster. Then the sonic mayhem happens. It's great. :) > > Todd > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 07:27:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12CPJ423293; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:25:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:25:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4200C693.8020807@cableaz.com> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 05:24:51 -0700 From: ":: rds8000 ::" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Macintosh/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Looper's Delight" <" Loopers-Delight"@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Making Keyboards Look Cool Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4-Xke.A.ArF.VaMACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unless you are Nicks Rhodes, keyboards can never look cool. Adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 09:41:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12Ed4e11150; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:39:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:39:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502021436.CQV64097@ms3.netsolmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:36:34 -0700 From: Krispen Hartung Subject: RE: Line mixer w 2 effects sends? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: info@krispenhartung.com X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've never used the CFX, but I just sold my Mackie DFX12 with the built in effects. The only thing I ever used was hte reverb, and I didn't like it because it wouldn't provide enough decay. For the most part, not being able to tweak the parameters is frustrating, so I wouldn't recommend the boards. They are good for really basic, "set up quick" settings where someone doesn't want to buy their own outboard reverb or delay units. I can't remember which board or manufacturer it was, but I recall some mixer with built in Lexicon effects. Kris ************** Luis, I've never heard a Mackie CFX mixer so I couldn't help you there. A friend of mine who used to work for Mackie says that the built-in FX are a joke. According to him, you'd be much better off putting your money towards a VLZ pro. (One of the benefits of living in Seattle is being in the midst of Mackie-ville.) Stephen <> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 10:34:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12FX1920109; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:33:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:33:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4200F208.1040203@iinet.net.au> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:30:16 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic References: <200502020003.j1203VM23456@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200502020003.j1203VM23456@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com some of you may be on the surround sound list and received this link. just had to share it, as they have some GREAT noise reduction gear. highly reccomended ; ) and their signature potentiometer defies description: -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 11:50:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12Gm6m31874; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:48:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:48:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <529382dc8f1df2bd451b47ba68a6f421@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Victor Nicholls Subject: EH 16-sec reissue - worth getting...? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:47:11 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5nyvdB.A.QwH.YQQACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry if this was covered to death when the reissued box came out... I have a stack of looping tools (JamMan, RDS8000, DL4) but would love to know whether anyone out there has been using the EH16sec and thinks it's essential! Is it really so brilliant? What can it do better than my current stack of stuff - the things that interest me are the ability to slow down loops, changing their pitch. Can the new box do that? As I said, sorry if all this has been discussed but I haven't been paying attention! thanks v From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 12:01:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12GxaK01629; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:59:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:59:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <23478249.1107363486954.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:58:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Keith Emerson made keys cool Re: Making Keyboards Look Cool Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I beg to differ... Keith Emerson made them cool, IMHO. I saw him twice back in the day, and saw some badass footage of his pre-ELP band The Nice, totally manhandling his sawed-down B3, swinging the poor keyboard to and fro, back and forth so that the tone-wheel pickups started to feed back against his amps, stabbing keys with knives so as to hold down chords, just absolutely badass. AND he was a master musician with stupendous technique, so it wasn't all smoke and mirrors. In my book, this was cool. Hendrix, shortly before his death, had expressed interest in joining, and what higher badge of approval is there? ~Tim Mungenast -----Original Message----- From: ":: rds8000 ::" Sent: Feb 2, 2005 7:24 AM To: Looper's Delight <" Loopers-Delight"@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Making Keyboards Look Cool Unless you are Nicks Rhodes, keyboards can never look cool. Adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 12:18:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12HFu104426; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:15:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:15:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:08:33 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16-sec reissue - worth getting...? In-Reply-To: <529382dc8f1df2bd451b47ba68a6f421@mac.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have a stack of looping tools (JamMan, RDS8000, DL4) but would love > to know whether anyone out there has been using the EH16sec and thinks > it's essential! not me. > Is it really so brilliant? What can it do better than my current stack > of stuff - the things that interest me are the ability to slow down > loops, changing their pitch. Can the new box do that? The new EH16 can do that in spades. It's forte is messing with loops in realtime shifting pitch, time, basically decontructing things and messing with the original loop mangling it beyond recognition. My beef (which has been covered before) is you are a slave to the pedal in timing. The pedal requires you to set a specific length and then play the loop starting and stopping accorind to the setting. You cannot simply and start the loop and the and stop it. This is not only non intuitive but has made the pedal excruciating for me to use. To "help" you know when to start stop your playing there is a series of tiny blinking lights and an inaudible "click" that doesn't even have a separate out (like in the original) so you at least run that to headphones or a mixer and make it usable. I almost regret buying it at this point. It certainly is NOT essential by any means. It's only salvation that I can se if using it via midi and having a drum machine be the click track so you can at leave HEAR that. It still is ass backwards making the player slave to the tool rather than allowing one to freely play and catch what you want on the fly. Truly an idiotic move on the part of EH IMO. I do enjoying having it run amok as a delay and creating freaknoise but there are cheaper delays that are much more friendly. As a looper it's failed for me and I still use my simple DL4 which easily does loop, reverse, and 1/2 time and lets me PLAY and create. I'm sure others have different opinions and with some practice you might get used to it's ways. The timing thing is such a deal breaker for me I just want to warn any other improve and free form artists to seriously consider and try it out in person first. I bought into the hype and marketing (plus I had been wanting one for 20 years) and the bottom line is this is NOT a reissue at all but a very new product that does different things. YMMV. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 12:18:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12HGB404440; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:16:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:16:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.240.108.96] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <23478249.1107363486954.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Keith Emerson made keys cool Re: Making Keyboards Look Cool Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:14:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 17:15:03.0592 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBFA9A80:01C5094A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps the problem isn't the instrument looking cool it's the player looking like they're doing something.One solution is movement. ,one can set up sideways to the audience so the keyboard's not blocking the view,and put on a rave up. You know Hendrix also expressed the deisire for people to just close their eyes and listen to the music-he got tired of the circus act.Interstingly ,I've experienced African musicians who are playing super hot stuff,but adopt an extremely cool relaxed demeanor,as if it were effortless,a totally different style of macho poosing. In fact Africa is the origin of cool-read Flash of the Spirit by Robert Farris Thompson. One of the great things about percussion is it's physical enough that you don't have to exagerate wildly to look like you're doing something. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 12:25:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12HMiJ05586; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:22:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:22:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.69] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <4200F208.1040203@iinet.net.au> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:21:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 17:22:01.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4D21070:01C5094B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wall -wart transformers are quite notorious for their noise...especially the ones Lexicon uses (someone mentioned the Vortex?) When I used a larger, deeper rack one remedy I found was installing a power strip/surge protector as far to the back of the rack as possible; creating as much distance as possible between the wall warts and the equipment. This greatly reduced the hum. I also tried warpping the transformers in foam...didn't work all that well. Since then I have replaced all but one of my pieces with stuff that has internal pwr transformers. Now the only problem I have is with my JamMan. My fix was to buy a three foot industrial extension cord from the hardware store, wrap both it and the cord to the JamMan pwr supply in some of that tubing Radio Shack and others sell for cleaning up home theatre cable messes (this acts as a sort of strain relief for the JamMan cable) and plug that into the Furman pwr conditioner in my rack. The three foot extension cord hand out of the back of my rack, down to the floor with the noisy little JamMan transformer. Sure, it does not look as neat as having everything conatined and hidden in the rack, but there is no hum! As far as other ground loop problems go, HumFrees really do work wonders in isolating gear from the rack chasis. I amthinking quite seriously of checking into the Ebtech devices for hum removal on the JamMan supply. My question is whether it will remove "transformer hum" or only deal with ground loop hum (which I think are to different little noise gremlins...) Any one have experience with these? Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 12:32:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12HUYY07186; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:30:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:30:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.1fcc283f.2f326808@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:29:44 EST Subject: Re: Making Keyboards Look Cool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8d.1fcc283f.2f326808_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8d.1fcc283f.2f326808_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I'm no keyboard player. But I did see in the Roland at NAMM some of=20 their=20 normally bland looking "groove gear" painted up in bright, slick automotive=20 paint=20 colors. Perhaps you could take a cue from all those outr=E9 "hotrod" and=20 "chopper"=20 customizing shows on the cable channels and take a whack or two with a spray= =20 can (or two) and some masking tape. I can see it now . . . a keyboard with=20 flames, fuzzy dice, and chrome "pinup-girl" mudflaps. Heheheh. Just kidding. You=20 could=20 practice on an old Casio to try it out though. Why should all of the pointy=20 axe guitar players have all of the fun . . . or ridicule. In humor, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_8d.1fcc283f.2f326808_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I'm no keyboard player. But I did= see in the Roland at NAMM some of their
normally bland looking "groove gear" painted up in bright, slick automotive=20= paint
colors. Perhaps you could take a cue from all those outr=E9 "hotrod"= and "chopper"
customizing shows on the cable channels and take a whack or two with a spray=
can (or two) and some masking tape. I can see it now . . . a keyboard with f= lames,
fuzzy dice, and chrome "pinup-girl" mudflaps. Heheheh. Just kidding. You cou= ld
practice on an old Casio to try it out though. Why should all of the pointy=20= axe
guitar players have all of the fun . . . or ridicule.

In humor,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

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RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
--part1_8d.1fcc283f.2f326808_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 12:38:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12HZPx08064; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:35:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:35:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <24456706.1107365640718.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:33:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Keith Emerson made keys cool Re: Making Keyboards Look Cool Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, looking calm while you're playing may be a good thing, but I've never been able to achieve that sort of detachment. It does not come naturally for me. When I hit "The Note" or play "The Riff," I can't help making those idiotic pained-ass kind of grimaces, the kind that seem to say "Help! I've been stabbed!" or "Yeow! I have kidney stones! It hurts to piss!" Such facial contortions just come naturally to me during music, whether listening or playing, whether alone or in a crowd, and it would be unnatural of me to tone it down and try to look calm. Sometimes I wish I could!! It would be nice to convey that "yeah, I know I'm a badass, no big deal, watch me play some 64th notes while I watch that airplane up there..." ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: samba - Sent: Feb 2, 2005 12:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Keith Emerson made keys cool Re: Making Keyboards Look Cool Perhaps the problem isn't the instrument looking cool it's the player looking like they're doing something.One solution is movement. ,one can set up sideways to the audience so the keyboard's not blocking the view,and put on a rave up. You know Hendrix also expressed the deisire for people to just close their eyes and listen to the music-he got tired of the circus act.Interstingly ,I've experienced African musicians who are playing super hot stuff,but adopt an extremely cool relaxed demeanor,as if it were effortless,a totally different style of macho poosing. In fact Africa is the origin of cool-read Flash of the Spirit by Robert Farris Thompson. One of the great things about percussion is it's physical enough that you don't have to exagerate wildly to look like you're doing something. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 13:01:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12HxjX12072; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:59:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:59:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1107367152!7120767!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.8; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D11@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EH 16-sec reissue - worth getting...? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:58:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C50950.C7581780" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C50950.C7581780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>you are a slave to the pedal in timing. The pedal requires you to set a specific length and then play the loop starting and stopping accorind to the setting. [snip] I do enjoying having it run amok as a delay and creating freaknoise but there are cheaper delays that are much more friendly.<< in other words, your mileage may vary. it is a little expensive for what it does /but then/ it has got "EH" on it. it doesn't slave to any other clock /but then/ neither did anything else before midi came along. (unless you count the trigger input on the fabulous bel bd80) it doesn't have tap-tempo /but then/ neither did anything else until quite recently. it has a daft amount of permanent storage & no way of subdividing this so that you can save loops & dredge them up again later..... /but then/ at least it saves the last thing you did. it goes forwards & backwards & you can vary the pitch & tempo independently or together. there is definitely a gonzo element to this box which the dl4 never quite had, for me, excellent though it is. slightly OT- I took mine apart with a view to dropping an extra switch into the case- can't remember what I was trying to do right now, but I know it was a good idea at the time..... but anyway, I noticed that the main board has space for a "midi-in" socket, clearly marked, next to the out that's already there. what where they thinking? duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>you are a slave to the pedal in timing. The pedal= requires you to set a specific length and then play the
loop starting and stopping accorind to the setting. [sni= p] I do enjoying having it run amok as a delay and creating freaknoise but = there are cheaper delays that are much more friendly.<<

in other words, your mileage may vary.

it is a little expensive for what it does /but then/ it h= as got "EH" on it.

it doesn't slave to any other clock /but then/ neither di= d anything else before midi came along. (unless you count the trigger input= on the fabulous bel bd80)

it doesn't have tap-tempo /but then/ neither did anything= else until quite recently.

it has a daft amount of permanent storage & no way of= subdividing this so that you can save loops & dredge them up again lat= er..... /but then/ at least it saves the last thing you did.

it goes forwards & backwards & you can vary the p= itch & tempo independently or together.

there is definitely a gonzo element to this box which the= dl4 never quite had, for me, excellent though it is.

slightly OT- I took mine apart with a view to dropping an= extra switch into the case- can't remember what I was trying to do right n= ow, but I know it was a good idea at the time..... but anyway, I noticed th= at the main board has space for a "midi-in" socket, clearly marke= d, next to the out that's already there. what where they thinking?

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C50950.C7581780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 13:23:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12ILiX15613; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:21:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:21:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42011960.80806@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:18:08 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keith Emerson made keys cool Re: Making Keyboards Look Cool Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Keith is the man. When I saw ELP in '77 they were having some technical problem with his kybd rig, while the tech was working on it Keith walks up to the mic and says, "having a little organ trouble...bet you can all get into that." Rick Wakeman always had the detached 'kybd wizard' demeanor, but Keith was the knife wielding, organ wrestling madman who could play Bach on his back while pinned under a Hammond from the wrong side of the kybd. And remember, this was years before the scene in Amadeus showing Mozart doing a similar thing. Dennis mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: >I beg to differ... Keith Emerson made them cool, IMHO. I saw him twice back in the day, and saw some badass footage of his pre-ELP band The Nice, totally manhandling his sawed-down B3, swinging the poor keyboard to and fro, back and forth so that the tone-wheel pickups started to feed back against his amps, stabbing keys with knives so as to hold down chords, just absolutely badass. AND he was a master musician with stupendous technique, so it wasn't all smoke and mirrors. >In my book, this was cool. >Hendrix, shortly before his death, had expressed interest in joining, and what higher badge of approval is there? >~Tim Mungenast > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: ":: rds8000 ::" >Sent: Feb 2, 2005 7:24 AM >To: Looper's Delight <" Loopers-Delight"@loopers-delight.com> >Subject: Re: Making Keyboards Look Cool > >Unless you are Nicks Rhodes, keyboards can never look cool. > >Adam > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 13:49:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12IkiA20650; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:46:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:46:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:39:01 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EH 16-sec reissue - worth getting...? In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D11@lon-oxmail02> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>you are a slave to the pedal in timing. The pedal requires you to set a specific length and then play the loop starting and stopping accorind to the setting. [snip] I do enjoying having it run amok as a delay and creating freaknoise but there are cheaper delays that are much more friendly.<< > > in other words, your mileage may vary. yes, As I stated :) Just to clairfy my point: > it doesn't slave to any other clock /but then/ neither did anything else before midi came along. Never wanted it to slave to a clock. I wanted it to slave to ME and my playing; not the other way around. > it doesn't have tap-tempo /but then/ neither did anything else until quite recently. Again, tap tempo is not my issue. The original pedal worked by a simple you play you stop and the pedal starts looping. this IS how the EPD, DL4, and everything from the Digitech PSD2002 to the Boss DD3 have always worked. it's the easiest and most intuitive way to loop. IMO of course Why THAT particular feature was changed in the "reissue" 16 Delay I guess we'll never know. But it is a significant change which drastically alters how the pedal performs and how it can be used fomr the original pedal. > it has a daft amount of permanent storage & no way of subdividing this so that you can save loops & dredge them up again later..... /but then/ at least it saves the last thing you did. Yes. personally I don't care about 4 minutes of loop time. I'll tke a useable 30 seconds any day. The saving is nice but I honestly never use it. It would be good for recording however. > it goes forwards & backwards & you can vary the pitch & tempo independently or together. That is fun. Once you get what you want IN it of course. > there is definitely a gonzo element to this box which the dl4 never quite had, for me, excellent though it is. The DL4 is a vanilla looper. The EH 16 Mk II is a noise box. I was kind of hoping for a combination of the two. If the EH allowed me to tell it when to start/stop it would be my favorite loop box bar none. I am going to try the midi sync sometime soon. that might greatly help me find a place for this in my setup even if it does force me to bring more equipment. I *am* an experimentor after all :) > but anyway, I noticed that the main board has space for a "midi-in" socket, clearly marked, next to the out that's already there. what where they thinking? I ask that question a lot when I look at this pedal :) ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 13:49:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12IkfL20638; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:46:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:46:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <4200C693.8020807@cableaz.com> References: <4200C693.8020807@cableaz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Making Keyboards Look Cool Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:45:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:24 AM, :: rds8000 :: wrote: > Unless you are Nicks Rhodes, keyboards can never look cool. i'm Suit & Tie Guy, and my keys ALWAYS look cool. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 15:20:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12KHgZ04511; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:17:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:17:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:14:56 -0800 Subject: Re: EH 16-sec reissue - worth getting...? From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what he said. stanthemaninsanfran(longtime abuser of the ORIGINAL ) > The new EH16 can do that in spades. It's forte is messing with loops in > realtime shifting pitch, time, basically decontructing things and messing > with the original loop mangling it beyond recognition. > > My beef (which has been covered before) is you are a slave to the pedal in > timing. The pedal requires you to set a specific length and then play the > loop starting and stopping accorind to the setting. You cannot simply > and start the loop and the and stop it. This is not > only non intuitive but has made the pedal excruciating for me to use. To > "help" you know when to start stop your playing there is a series of tiny > blinking lights and an inaudible "click" that doesn't even have a > separate out (like in the original) so you at least run that to > headphones or a mixer and make it usable. > > I almost regret buying it at this point. It certainly is NOT essential by > any means. It's only salvation that I can se if using it via midi and > having a drum machine be the click track so you can at leave HEAR that. It > still is ass backwards making the player slave to the tool rather than > allowing one to freely play and catch what you want on the fly. Truly an > idiotic move on the part of EH IMO. > > I do enjoying having it run amok as a delay and creating freaknoise but > there are cheaper delays that are much more friendly. As a looper it's > failed for me and I still use my simple DL4 which easily does loop, > reverse, and 1/2 time and lets me PLAY and create. > > I'm sure others have different opinions and with some practice you might > get used to it's ways. The timing thing is such a deal breaker for me I > just want to warn any other improve and free form artists to seriously > consider and try it out in person first. I bought into the hype and > marketing (plus I had been wanting one for 20 years) and the bottom line > is this is NOT a reissue at all but a very new product that does different > things. YMMV. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 16:31:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12LUhR17259; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:30:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:30:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 22:30:12 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keith Emerson made keys cool Making Keyboards Look Cool X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <42011960.80806@speakeasy.net> References: <42011960.80806@speakeasy.net> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis, > Keith is the man. Hmm. I seem to remember John Peel regarded Emerson as "a waste of electricity" even in the early seventies. I still see no reason to disagree. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 17:27:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12MP6624908; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:25:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:25:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4201522B.9060004@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:20:27 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keith Emerson made keys cool Making Keyboards Look Cool References: <42011960.80806@speakeasy.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3BzLlD.A.xBG.XLVACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe that the energy used transmitting opinions of music critics is a "waste of electricity". I prefer to let my own ears guide me. As Frank Zappa once said, "If it sounds GOOD to YOU, it’s bitchen; and if it sounds BAD to YOU, it’s shitty." Dennis Ian Petersen wrote: >Dennis, > > > >>Keith is the man. >> >> > >Hmm. I seem to remember John Peel regarded Emerson as "a waste of >electricity" even in the early seventies. I still see no reason to >disagree. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 17:41:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12MdQU27433; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:39:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:39:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <192.38c027ef.2f32b063@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:38:27 EST Subject: Re: Keith Emerson made keys cool Making Keyboards Look Cool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.38c027ef.2f32b063_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_192.38c027ef.2f32b063_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a hearty amen, john --part1_192.38c027ef.2f32b063_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a hearty amen,
john --part1_192.38c027ef.2f32b063_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 19:08:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1306To06733; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:06:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:06:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=BLde4BnVZdcFjDxxlrCU4ba7WodwSrHIdyRTJ/WX0N869ugIe44Uh6ixdPqQuHaXhoD1g5qNiJMxY+rhoDbGE8Z9UfOKdTCRTnwJCkQUwzNpM+hvD/yrxgu/UGmWwLuwwZbcRU/FVKiLY3n8A6WiNayKSYXEmdzBgXRB+lRIVTo= ; Message-ID: <20050203000527.75364.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:05:27 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT sustainer problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Simeon, i hope we are both talking about the sustainer and not the sustaniac, if we are can you send me the link you are talking about? i havent found any information on installing sustainers on a gk ready guitar. thanx luis --- simeon harris wrote: > >I recently had one installed on a Fender roland > ready > >strat in san Diego,the sustainer seems to work fine > >but the roland midi pickup isnt working properly > now, > >so the guitar tech is sending it to Roland because > he > >couldnt find out what went wrong... > >Luis > > > if they're next to each other in the control cavity, > then they will > interfere with each other. > > i had an internal GK and a sustainiac fitted on one > of my custom guitars and > they had to be installed in separate cavities in the > guitar to keep them > apart. i think there's something on the sustainiac > website about it. i doubt > there's a problem with the GK pickup > > sim > > > > > www.simeonharris.co.uk > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 19:22:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j130Kgk09127; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:20:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:20:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050203000527.75364.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050203000527.75364.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <316BFA96-7579-11D9-BAE0-0030657377D0@telia.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: OT sustainer problem Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 01:18:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <63S9SB.A.QKC.33WACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I have the sustainer and the Gk installed in 2 different guitars one doubleneck http://www.nevbornguitars.com/ with 2 GK and 2 Sustainer Mics but only one circuit of each. the other an old Ovation Breadwinner They are installed in the same cavity. works fine no problems . Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com > Hi Simeon, > i hope we are both talking about the sustainer and not > the sustaniac, if we are can you send me the link you > are talking about? i havent found any information on > installing sustainers on a gk ready guitar. > thanx > luis > --- simeon harris wrote: > >>> I recently had one installed on a Fender roland >> ready >>> strat in san Diego,the sustainer seems to work fine >>> but the roland midi pickup isnt working properly >> now, >>> so the guitar tech is sending it to Roland because >> he >>> couldnt find out what went wrong... >>> Luis >> >> >> if they're next to each other in the control cavity, >> then they will >> interfere with each other. >> >> i had an internal GK and a sustainiac fitted on one >> of my custom guitars and >> they had to be installed in separate cavities in the >> guitar to keep them >> apart. i think there's something on the sustainiac >> website about it. i doubt >> there's a problem with the GK pickup >> >> sim >> >> >> >> >> www.simeonharris.co.uk >> >> >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 19:29:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j130RAL10264; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:27:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:27:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Making Keyboards Look Cool Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 01:28:00 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c50987$3825e650$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j130QeE10186 Resent-Message-ID: <_gvqP.A.cfC.B_WACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just had a look at some pictures at your site...you know what they say around these parts? A guy without a jacket is a naked man. For this reason, if you're a proper suit-and-tie-wearing guy, NEVER take your jacket off, (http://moinlabs.de/images/SS14.jpg) Even when the audience members take their shirts off! (http://moinlabs.de/images/EE02.jpg) The reward for following proper etiquette: (http://moinlabs.de/images/EE03.jpg) (While browsing through my performance pictures, I even noticed a toy that helps keyboard players to look cool - also found in your pictures btw: the KAOSS http://moinlabs.de/images/ATF19.jpg) Rainer "Also Suit and Tie" Straschill -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2005 19:46 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Making Keyboards Look Cool On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:24 AM, :: rds8000 :: wrote: > Unless you are Nicks Rhodes, keyboards can never look cool. i'm Suit & Tie Guy, and my keys ALWAYS look cool. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 19:35:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j130ZHK11953; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:35:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:35:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c50989$0bebcee0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <42011960.80806@speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: Keith Emerson made keys cool Re: Making Keyboards Look Cool Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:41:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.136.68] at Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:34:36 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <-mJ1KC.A.W5C.gGXACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis - Thank you for that. I needed a good laugh today. And this does the trick! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Montgomery" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 1:18 PM > Keith is the man. When I saw ELP in '77 they were having some technical > problem with his kybd rig, while the tech was working on it Keith walks > up to the mic and says, "having a little organ trouble...bet you can all > get into that." > > Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 19:45:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j130hbf13620; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:43:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:43:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c5098a$3078ff20$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <42011960.80806@speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: Keith Emerson made keys cool Making Keyboards Look Cool Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:49:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.136.68] at Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:42:47 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ian - And thank you for my second great laugh of the day! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Petersen" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 4:30 PM > Dennis, > > > Keith is the man. > > Hmm. I seem to remember John Peel regarded Emerson as "a waste of > electricity" even in the early seventies. I still see no reason to > disagree. > > Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 20:04:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1312Tk16749; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:02:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:02:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 02:01:06 +0100 From: Jan A Johnsen Subject: Re: OT*2 sustainer problem breadwinner In-reply-to: <316BFA96-7579-11D9-BAE0-0030657377D0@telia.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1311CE16517 Resent-Message-ID: <8JBkFB.A.XCE.ZfXACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That¹s funny, when I saw the Ygdrasil (looks like a dream, congratulations!) it struck me to have a very Breadwinnerish shape. I have a Breadwinner that I plan to install a sustainer unit into, I have a Limited as well : ) Very playable and underrated instruments. Do you have the original mics and the preamp installed on the Breadwinner? I want to combine the original electronics with a Sustaniac or Sustainer if that¹s doable, have some other mods inmind as well : ) Would not mind seeing a picture of you Breadwinner, if possible. Jan On 03-02-05 01:18, "Gunnar Backman" wrote: > Hi > I have the sustainer and the Gk installed in 2 different guitars one > doubleneck > http://www.nevbornguitars.com/ > with 2 GK and 2 Sustainer Mics but only one circuit of each. > the other an old Ovation Breadwinner > They are installed in the same cavity. works fine no problems . > > Gunnar Backman > Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics > E-mail brakophonic@telia.com > http://www.brakophonic.com > >> Hi Simeon, >> i hope we are both talking about the sustainer and not >> the sustaniac, if we are can you send me the link you >> are talking about? i havent found any information on >> installing sustainers on a gk ready guitar. >> thanx >> luis >> --- simeon harris wrote: >> >>>> I recently had one installed on a Fender roland >>> ready >>>> strat in san Diego,the sustainer seems to work fine >>>> but the roland midi pickup isnt working properly >>> now, >>>> so the guitar tech is sending it to Roland because >>> he >>>> couldnt find out what went wrong... >>>> Luis >>> >>> >>> if they're next to each other in the control cavity, >>> then they will >>> interfere with each other. >>> >>> i had an internal GK and a sustainiac fitted on one >>> of my custom guitars and >>> they had to be installed in separate cavities in the >>> guitar to keep them >>> apart. i think there's something on the sustainiac >>> website about it. i doubt >>> there's a problem with the GK pickup >>> >>> sim >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> www.simeonharris.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ===== >> www.luis-angulo.com >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. >> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 20:19:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j131HAe19036; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:17:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:17:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050203011626.59797.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:16:26 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: EH 16-sec reissue - worth getting...? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it's a pretty good little box... I don't have the issues you guys did as I sync to a midi clock with some sort of sequence going on anyway. I ended up selling mine because I wasn't using it but I thought it was a nice little looper that did some pretty cool stuff. Mark --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > what he said. > stanthemaninsanfran(longtime abuser of the ORIGINAL > ) > > > The new EH16 can do that in spades. It's forte is > messing with loops in > > realtime shifting pitch, time, basically > decontructing things and messing > > with the original loop mangling it beyond > recognition. > > > > My beef (which has been covered before) is you are > a slave to the pedal in > > timing. The pedal requires you to set a specific > length and then play the > > loop starting and stopping accorind to the > setting. You cannot simply > > and start the loop and the and > stop it. This is not > > only non intuitive but has made the pedal > excruciating for me to use. To > > "help" you know when to start stop your playing > there is a series of tiny > > blinking lights and an inaudible "click" that > doesn't even have a > > separate out (like in the original) so you at > least run that to > > headphones or a mixer and make it usable. > > > > I almost regret buying it at this point. It > certainly is NOT essential by > > any means. It's only salvation that I can se if > using it via midi and > > having a drum machine be the click track so you > can at leave HEAR that. It > > still is ass backwards making the player slave to > the tool rather than > > allowing one to freely play and catch what you > want on the fly. Truly an > > idiotic move on the part of EH IMO. > > > > I do enjoying having it run amok as a delay and > creating freaknoise but > > there are cheaper delays that are much more > friendly. As a looper it's > > failed for me and I still use my simple DL4 which > easily does loop, > > reverse, and 1/2 time and lets me PLAY and create. > > > > I'm sure others have different opinions and with > some practice you might > > get used to it's ways. The timing thing is such a > deal breaker for me I > > just want to warn any other improve and free form > artists to seriously > > consider and try it out in person first. I bought > into the hype and > > marketing (plus I had been wanting one for 20 > years) and the bottom line > > is this is NOT a reissue at all but a very new > product that does different > > things. YMMV. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 21:36:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j132ZRF29984; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:35:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:35:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=hBXttgtyQOKzFJG3PtLjlN3fTMgoHo6U2U22kuWrZdg+zsnV/B551NxDCpjJRuiq; Message-ID: <410-220052432427390@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EH 16-sec reissue - worth getting...? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:42:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a49df94738b32cba84cde99c8a4df040350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.110 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "The original pedal worked by a simple you play you stop and the pedal starts looping. this IS how the EPD, DL4, and everything from the Digitech PSD2002 to the Boss DD3 have always worked. it's the easiest and most intuitive way to loop. IMO of course" I concur heartly. Indeed, anything else would have me stupefied like a bunny (or a goat?) in the headlights. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Legion > To: > Date: 2/2/2005 1:46:57 PM > Subject: RE: EH 16-sec reissue - worth getting...? > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > >>you are a slave to the pedal in timing. The pedal requires you to set > a specific length and then play the loop starting and stopping accorind > to the setting. [snip] I do enjoying having it run amok as a delay and > creating freaknoise but there are cheaper delays that are much more > friendly.<< > > > > in other words, your mileage may vary. > > > yes, As I stated :) > > Just to clairfy my point: > > > it doesn't slave to any other clock /but then/ neither did anything > else before midi came along. > > Never wanted it to slave to a clock. I wanted it to slave to ME and my > playing; not the other way around. > > > it doesn't have tap-tempo /but then/ neither did anything else until > quite recently. > > Again, tap tempo is not my issue. The original pedal worked by a simple > you play you stop and the pedal starts looping. this IS how the > EPD, DL4, and everything from the Digitech PSD2002 to the Boss DD3 have > always worked. it's the easiest and most intuitive way to loop. IMO of > course > > Why THAT particular feature was changed in the "reissue" 16 Delay I guess > we'll never know. But it is a significant change which drastically alters > how the pedal performs and how it can be used fomr the original pedal. > > > it has a daft amount of permanent storage & no way of subdividing this > so that you can save loops & dredge them up again later..... /but then/ > at least it saves the last thing you did. > > Yes. personally I don't care about 4 minutes of loop time. I'll tke a > useable 30 seconds any day. The saving is nice but I honestly never use > it. It would be good for recording however. > > > it goes forwards & backwards & you can vary the pitch & tempo > independently or together. > > That is fun. Once you get what you want IN it of course. > > > there is definitely a gonzo element to this box which the dl4 never > quite had, for me, excellent though it is. > > The DL4 is a vanilla looper. The EH 16 Mk II is a noise box. I was kind of > hoping for a combination of the two. If the EH allowed me to tell it when > to start/stop it would be my favorite loop box bar none. I am going to try > the midi sync sometime soon. that might greatly help me find a place for > this in my setup even if it does force me to bring more equipment. I *am* > an experimentor after all :) > > > but anyway, I noticed that the main board has space for a > "midi-in" socket, clearly marked, next to the out that's already > there. what where they thinking? > > I ask that question a lot when I look at this pedal :) > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 2 22:29:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j133S7v05140; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:28:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:28:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Repeater misteries Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:27:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050202000206.77210.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Luis, did you get this reply? for some reason LD is rejecting my replys. Bill Luis, 1.the pitch problem may be because in factory default setting the expression pedals are set to midi CC#7 (not recognized by the RPTR) and #14 which on the repeater is set for both tempo and pitch shift. my guess is you have'nt thoroughly programmed the CC expression pedals for each preset as those functions are not global for each bank but specific to each preset. 2. I've also had that issue most notable when switching between banks, but the work around is to set a preset for "stop", only, which would be PC #22 or CC# 87. 3. Ah yes, I've had this problem as well, as of yet I have'nt sussed it out 4. I've noticed that there is a bit more latency because of the midi pedal, try using the fs300 switch if you can't learn to live with it as it seems a bit faster, Are you experiencing these issue when clocking with another midi source or by itself? 5. I don't use track mute via midi any more as there is no way to tell when it is off or on via the front panel of the RPTR, I use the expression pedals to control different track volumes. hope that helps Bill -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:02 PM To: billwalker@baymoon.com Subject: Repeater misteries Hi Bill, I am having some issues with my P4ter and i want to make sure what it is thats why i wnat to compare it with you since i undersatand you also control it with your FCB1010. 1.when i turn on the unit,sometimes the pich is crazy 2.when i trigger play stop for the first time it does a retriggering and the second time it seems to do what its supposed to do. 3.sometimes the stereo tracks get activated when trying to choose one track. 4.even with the unmuted signal there is a slight latency and not so accurate like the EDP. when doing track mute how do you know which track is muted? have you found a way? thanx buddy! cheers Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 3 07:59:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j13Cwdc04159; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 07:58:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 07:58:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Argh, now I have an edp problem Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:54:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2005 12:55:00.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[927BFC80:01C509EF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I forgot to mention, also when I press the Insert button when it is set to half speed/full speed the whole unit locks up and nothing more can be done exept power off. ???? this is confusing and weird and im running out of time and options before i begin my gig season HELP!!! Phill >Ok guys I know this is getting to be like a repetitive strain injury but I >need a bit of help > >I have been using my EDP as normal not excessivly and not in storage for a >long time, > >i turned it on a couple of days ago and all of a sudden there is a >crackling noise on any sound that is recorded. the dry signal is clean and >if i record silence that does not break the limiter threshold the sound is >pretty clean (still a little louder thn I remeber) but as soon as I play a >note or whatever there is a crackle introduced to the recording, this gets >more prominant with each repeat. > >I have opened the unit and removed the loop 4 chips odd and even and the 4 >boards of ram that my edp has. > >alas to no avail, im thinking it must be the anologue to digtal converter, >i dont know what to do next, ive got shows coming up so there is a >timeframe in which i would like to get stuff up and running again > >PLEASE PLEASE HELP, I need you guys. > >hope you can shed some light. > >Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 3 09:29:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j13ESMQ20664; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:28:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:28:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.144.122] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Spam - Vortex in the UK Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:26:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2005 14:27:01.0940 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D425740:01C509FC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi there - if anybody in the UK wants my Lexicon Vortex, please email me...going cheap! ta! sim www.simeonharris.co.uk - the home of ambitextrous guitar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 3 09:47:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j13EkTZ26801; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:46:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:46:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 0cd7a0108a2fd2baa15ae706763d92e2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:35:05 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Argh, now I have an edp problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the most likely is a bad contact of the CODEC its the square chip on the left, saying Crystal rather tricky to take it out without the apropriate tool, there is a danger to force the socket. maybe its enough to move it a little and reseat? >I forgot to mention, also when I press the Insert button when it is >set to half speed/full speed the whole unit locks up and nothing >more can be done exept power off. ???? this is confusing and weird >and im running out of time and options before i begin my gig season >HELP!!! > >Phill > >>Ok guys I know this is getting to be like a repetitive strain >>injury but I need a bit of help >> >>I have been using my EDP as normal not excessivly and not in >>storage for a long time, >> >>i turned it on a couple of days ago and all of a sudden there is a >>crackling noise on any sound that is recorded. the dry signal is >>clean and if i record silence that does not break the limiter >>threshold the sound is pretty clean (still a little louder thn I >>remeber) but as soon as I play a note or whatever there is a >>crackle introduced to the recording, this gets more prominant with >>each repeat. >> >>I have opened the unit and removed the loop 4 chips odd and even >>and the 4 boards of ram that my edp has. >> >>alas to no avail, im thinking it must be the anologue to digtal >>converter, i dont know what to do next, ive got shows coming up so >>there is a timeframe in which i would like to get stuff up and >>running again >> >>PLEASE PLEASE HELP, I need you guys. >> >>hope you can shed some light. >> >>Phill Wilson > >_________________________________________________________________ >It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 3 13:50:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j13Ih9x09305; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:43:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:43:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1107456072!7280016!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.8; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D17@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT ELP/JP (rip) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:40:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C50A1F.D044F050" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C50A1F.D044F050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Hmm. I seem to remember John Peel regarded Emerson as "a waste of electricity" even in the early seventies. I still see no reason to disagree.<< if you're going to start quoting the great man peel, at least quote the whole quote. in fact, peel had been a big fan of emmo's previous band &, like many people at the time, was disappointed with the portentous, pompous, pretentious new direction that emerson's new band was dragged in, chiefly by greg lake. one senses (upon close study of the elp repertoire) that emerson was struggling to come to terms with his own ambitions as performer on the one hand & composer on the other, while lake was more than happy to have a "serious" vehicle for the post-crimson adolescent sci-fi-philosophy nonsense that he didn't even write himself anyway. (yes, pete sinfield, I mean you.) they were a technically-accomplished trio, but quite lacking in any creative sense-of-purpose or direction, & they managed to alienate many peers in the business with their in-jokes & technical excesses. & thus peel described ELP as "a waste of /talent/ & electricity". emerson remains a great entertainer, though. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>Hmm. I seem to remember John Peel regarded Emerso= n as "a waste of electricity" even in the early seventies. I stil= l see no reason to disagree.<<

if you're going to start quoting the great man peel, at l= east quote the whole quote.

in fact, peel had been a big fan of emmo's previous band = &, like many people at the time, was disappointed with the portentous, = pompous, pretentious new direction that emerson's new band was dragged in, = chiefly by greg lake.

one senses (upon close study of the elp repertoire) that = emerson was struggling to come to terms with his own ambitions as performer= on the one hand & composer on the other, while lake was more than happ= y to have a "serious" vehicle for the post-crimson adolescent sci= -fi-philosophy nonsense that he didn't even write himself anyway.

(yes, pete sinfield, I mean you.)

they were a technically-accomplished trio, but quite lack= ing in any creative sense-of-purpose or direction, & they managed to al= ienate many peers in the business with their in-jokes & technical exces= ses.

& thus peel described ELP as "a waste of /talent= / & electricity".

emerson remains a great entertainer, though.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C50A1F.D044F050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 3 15:13:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j13K6BC24330; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:06:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:06:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D17@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D17@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP (rip) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:04:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 3, 2005, at 12:40 PM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > they were a technically-accomplished trio, but quite lacking in any > creative sense-of-purpose or direction, & they managed to alienate > many peers in the business with their in-jokes & technical excesses. > > & thus peel described ELP as "a waste of /talent/ & electricity". even put into perspective, John Peel's comments were completely unfair. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 3 16:08:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j13L1x104207; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:01:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:01:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <420290F0.4010209@neoprimitive.net> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:00:32 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP (rip) References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D17@lon-oxmail02> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e900d56d35324b3cbcfb1b93b70a1248350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: <-DwxC.A.97.pDpACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ELP was the shit. Tarkus changed my life. Some of the later stuff was...well...just wrong. Love Beach? This is the same guy who played on In the Court of the Crimson King and Tarkus? Oh well. Still, what they did that was good, was really good. Emerson's organ sound on the first two albums is the best. -J Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Feb 3, 2005, at 12:40 PM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >> they were a technically-accomplished trio, but quite lacking in any >> creative sense-of-purpose or direction, & they managed to alienate >> many peers in the business with their in-jokes & technical excesses. >> >> & thus peel described ELP as "a waste of /talent/ & electricity". > > > even put into perspective, John Peel's comments were completely unfair. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 3 17:04:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j13Lv4K16376; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:57:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:57:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:54:02 -0800 Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP (rip) From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <420290F0.4010209@neoprimitive.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i wuz a fan and thats what got me to ELP and i agree those 1st two records were the shite! s <"ARS LONGA VITA BREVIS"> > ELP was the shit. Tarkus changed my life. > > Some of the later stuff was...well...just wrong. Love Beach? This is > the same guy who played on In the Court of the Crimson King and Tarkus? > > Oh well. > > Still, what they did that was good, was really good. > > Emerson's organ sound on the first two albums is the best. > > -J > > > > Suit & Tie Guy wrote: >> On Feb 3, 2005, at 12:40 PM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >> >>> they were a technically-accomplished trio, but quite lacking in any >>> creative sense-of-purpose or direction, & they managed to alienate >>> many peers in the business with their in-jokes & technical excesses. >>> >>> & thus peel described ELP as "a waste of /talent/ & electricity". >> >> >> even put into perspective, John Peel's comments were completely unfair. >> >> --- >> Eric Williamson >> www.suitandtieguy.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 3 17:11:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j13M1mK17589; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:01:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:01:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42029EF7.1000004@biink.com> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:00:23 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP (rip) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did enjoy a lot of ELP, but a lot of it hasn't aged well, particularly the later stuff. The old keyboards sound so fine! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 3 17:31:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j13MORB22863; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:24:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:24:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: OT ELP/JP (rip) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:25:16 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c50a3f$3d0a9bd0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <420290F0.4010209@neoprimitive.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j13MNvS22750 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used to dislike any kind of organ use in rock (or jazz) music. Then I listened to Tarkus to the first time...the beginning of the organ solo in "Mass" seemed unreal to me - this sounded like someone starting to puke! I may not say this album has changed my life, but it definitely changed my live sound! I once started to write an essay about the progressive rock phenomenon, and there I stated the thesis that each of the big groups of this genre in the seventies reached their climax with their double (or triple) album. For ELP, this was the "Welcome back my friends" album, for Yes, the "Yessongs", and for Genesis, it was the Lamb. Alas, there hasn't been a double album by King Crimson (if you don't count in the B'Boom "officialized bootleg") And btw, in case you haven't done so already - "UP" by Peter Gabriel is a great album (albeit not a proggy one). I want to own his staff of engineers for a day... Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jesse Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Februar 2005 22:01 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: OT ELP/JP (rip) ELP was the shit. Tarkus changed my life. Some of the later stuff was...well...just wrong. Love Beach? This is the same guy who played on In the Court of the Crimson King and Tarkus? Oh well. Still, what they did that was good, was really good. Emerson's organ sound on the first two albums is the best. -J Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Feb 3, 2005, at 12:40 PM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >> they were a technically-accomplished trio, but quite lacking in any >> creative sense-of-purpose or direction, & they managed to alienate >> many peers in the business with their in-jokes & technical excesses. >> >> & thus peel described ELP as "a waste of /talent/ & electricity". > > > even put into perspective, John Peel's comments were completely > unfair. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 3 19:17:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j140GSv11972; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:16:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:16:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <420290F0.4010209@neoprimitive.net> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D17@lon-oxmail02> <420290F0.4010209@neoprimitive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP (rip) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:14:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <9am_rC.A.e3C.05rACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 3, 2005, at 3:00 PM, Jesse Lucas wrote: > Some of the later stuff was...well...just wrong. Love Beach? "i'm a member of a gamblin' breed and when the action's hot it gives me all i need" i love that song dude. keith's left hand bass playing is never given a chance by ELP fans, though. also, have you noticed that ELP is obsessed with war? "The Barbarian" & "Tank", "Tarkus", "Karn Evil 9", "Pirates", and "Memoirs of an Officer and a Gentleman" are all album centrepieces. the only albums which don't feature a war theme are Pictures at an Exhibition and Trilogy. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 3 20:25:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j141OmR24180; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:24:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:24:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3341260.1107480190317.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:23:09 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Linda Khandro Reply-To: Linda Khandro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: harpist new to loops Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <7loxz.A.L1F.A6sACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey folks I play double-strung folk harps and have been bit by the looping bug. I need one and soon, for the improvisational/rhythmic music I perform. But I haven't got a clue what to buy. I'm a luddite as far as tech/computuer/musical interfaces are concerned, so just need a simple box (the simplest?) with which to loop two tracks, if that's the right way to describe it. Any suggestions? I use a Barcus Berry transducer pick up mic on the harp, and have a 2-channel, non-fancy amp to use when needed. More often I plug into a house PA system. Thanks Linda Khandro Seattle, WA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 3 21:45:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j142hDN03926; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:43:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:43:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=FLaG4VpAx2b6vgvCIPUOyDXDkMfliGI7hsi7YOF9luzTwUlaCrOswD6a23DR9OfL; Message-ID: <410-2200525424946950@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP (rip) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:49:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94027f839330bc3bf323586cc157147af13350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Still, what they did that was good, was really good." Your statement is concise and (I believe) totally accurate. The 3-LP live set was phenomenal. Utterly brilliant. Pictures at an Exhibition? Brilliant. Well, I suppose it's all subjective, innit? Well, for the record (pun), I'm with you: when they were good, they were very very good. > [Original Message] > From: Jesse Lucas > To: > Date: 2/3/2005 4:02:10 PM > Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP (rip) > > ELP was the shit. Tarkus changed my life. > > Some of the later stuff was...well...just wrong. Love Beach? This is > the same guy who played on In the Court of the Crimson King and Tarkus? > > Oh well. > > Still, what they did that was good, was really good. > > Emerson's organ sound on the first two albums is the best. > > -J > > > > Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2005, at 12:40 PM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > >> they were a technically-accomplished trio, but quite lacking in any > >> creative sense-of-purpose or direction, & they managed to alienate > >> many peers in the business with their in-jokes & technical excesses. > >> > >> & thus peel described ELP as "a waste of /talent/ & electricity". > > > > > > even put into perspective, John Peel's comments were completely unfair. > > > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 3 22:01:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1430u907214; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:00:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:00:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=B4knSeIV1qYe3TjUo6rL2IKZXfwXs2N27D56s/ViKmIkGeLLH74e3TBqltVqiUTyoDtZC3MXr6TiAQxo3HV+3j30XRX5fhlkFkOL47N4Zy7CRVQlXVFzPqJuWO0QSb8C4u0vZkZHUMijc+KoW+pYXw6JPuI33le1U2sZ+fxGpeg= ; Message-ID: <20050204025934.98256.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:59:34 -0800 (PST) From: William Klemmer Subject: Re: Zürich Loopfest 2005 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1866865906-1107485974=:97272" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1866865906-1107485974=:97272 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just an FYI: airline tickets from the US to Europe are much cheaper after August, WK Bernhard Wagner wrote: Dear Fellow Loop Infested I was fortunate enough in 2004 to play at several of the wonderful loopfests organized by members of this list and would like to propose a loopfestival in Zürich 2005. I'm aiming at 2nd half of August. Please let me know if you are interested in performing or organizing a loopfest yourself around that time in order to avoid collisions. Details to follow Bernhard http://looop.biz --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! --0-1866865906-1107485974=:97272 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Just an FYI: airline tickets from the US to Europe are much cheaper after August,
 
WK

Bernhard Wagner <loopdelightml@nosuch.biz> wrote:
Dear Fellow Loop Infested

I was fortunate enough in 2004 to play at several of the wonderful loopfests
organized by members of this list and would like to propose a loopfestival
in Zürich 2005. I'm aiming at 2nd half of August.

Please let me know if you are interested in performing or organizing a
loopfest yourself around that time in order to avoid collisions.

Details to follow

Bernhard
http://looop.biz

Do you Yahoo!?
All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! --0-1866865906-1107485974=:97272-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 00:05:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1453Ix27238; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:03:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:03:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c50a76$aa2705f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: ELP and shredding Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:02:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently heard "In the beginning" after a long hiatus. What a beautiful song, even if it was atypical of ELPs output. I loved that group and saw them a couple times but I have to say that revisiting most of that material it just hasn't aged well for me, personally. At the time it was virtuosic music that was really impressive. I remember distinctly though, my brother Bill and I going to see an ELP show at Winterland and there was this band called the Mahavishnu Orchestra opening up for them. This was a few weeks before their first record, Inner Mounting Flame came out and I remember so vividly looking over and seeing my brother Bill, as the only standing member of the audience with his mouth literally hanging open 30 seconds into the first song before I realized that I too, was standing with my mouth hanging open...........we were the only ones in the audience who seemed to be having that reaction and I felt like my whole world changed in a heartbeat. Carl Palmer was a really, really accomplished rock drummer and in one quick pass of 16th note triplets across his huge vistalite drumset, Billy Cobham annhialated him and every other rock drummer I had ever seen or loved for sheer speed and power. He just ramped it way, way the fuck up and it was amazing. It's interesting, but for what incredible missionary zeal I had for jazz fusion in those early days, I find that it no longer holds my interest, but I think sometimes that is what happens in the life of a musician...............frequently we go through a phase were sheer viruosity blows us away and inspires us to work our asses off on technique, but it all ultimately becomes a means to an end: the ability to express oneself with one's chosen instrument. Speed and technique now mean very little to me unless it serves the composition and the music (which frequently it doesn't). Bill and I laughingly refer to the excesses of the NAMM show by calling it the: "Weedela weedela Thwakita wakita Thuggida buggida SHOW" because all the insecure guitar players all play 'weedela weedela' arpeggios as fast as they can at every guitar booth all the insecure bass players play 'thwakita wakit' popping and slapping as fast as they can and all the insecure drummers play ' thuggida buggida' triplet 16th rolls at every drum booth. Me, I specialize in playing a whole lot of instruments I can hardly play in front of live audiences............shamelessly........................LOL...........................I should probably pay more attention to the shredders for the sake of my audiences. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 06:11:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14B9aS16344; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 06:09:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 06:09:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2174595247922928eb1add6cbc740e0a@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Eric Forsmark From: Per Boysen Subject: Cthugha for OS X? Advice on audio sensitive moving graphics needed. Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:08:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi List, In the past I have use Cthugha on my old OS 8 Powerbook and a number of Window XP machines. Now there's only OS X machines around here. Does anyone know about a similar application for OS X? The idea is to have moving graphics generated by live audio to project at us when performing (way too ugly for plain spotlights, you know ;-) I've actually seen a better live graphics generating application and that's the PC mp3 player Sonique (not the 2.0 beta. The old 1.98.. something version). Some of the user created graphic plug-ins are just amazing. I wish there were something as good for OS X? http://www.afn.org/~cthugha/ http://sonique.lycos.com/ (I'm already familiar with the iTunes graphics, but it's not good enough. My reference is that Soniquie 1.9 mp3 player for Windows.) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 07:06:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14C54f22608; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:05:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:05:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c50ab1$846fdd60$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: RE: Line mixer w 2 effects sends? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:03:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C50AB9.E61EC190" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C50AB9.E61EC190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd like to get a rack mixer, with 2 effect sends. I've found these: - Behringer eurorackpro Rx 1602 (8 stereo channels, noiseless, but it = has only 1 effect send !) - Alesis multimix 12 R (8 mono channels +2 stereo channels, with 2 = effect sends) - Samson PL 1602 (discontinued, 8 stereo channels, with 2 effect sends) I'd like to know what do you think about those devices, expecially about = the Alesis 12R, because, searching in the net, i haven't found any = comment from users.=20 Thanks for your suggestions and nice week-end to all of you Fabio ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C50AB9.E61EC190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
I'd like to get a rack=20 mixer, with 2 effect sends.
I've found = these:
- Behringer = eurorackpro Rx=20 1602 (8 stereo channels, noiseless, but it has only 1 effect send=20 !)
- Alesis multimix 12 R (8=20 mono channels +2 stereo channels, with 2 effect sends)
- Samson PL=20 1602 (discontinued, 8 stereo=20 channels, with 2 effect sends)
I'd like to know what = do you think=20 about those devices, expecially about the Alesis 12R, because, searching = in the=20 net,  i haven't found any comment from users.
 
Thanks for your = suggestions=20 and nice week-end to=20 all of you
 
Fabio
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C50AB9.E61EC190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 07:19:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14CI8425036; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:18:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:18:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Spam - Vortex in the UK Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:14:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2005 12:15:01.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[26B11390:01C50AB3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi simon, how cheap is cheap? Im in Carlisle Cumbria. There are a few people on loopers delight who can vouch for sales with me if you want an email address or two, or checkout my ebay record ( phillwilson ) cheers Phill >From: "simeon harris" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Spam - Vortex in the UK >Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:26:20 +0000 > >hi there - if anybody in the UK wants my Lexicon Vortex, please email >me...going cheap! > >ta! > >sim > > > > >www.simeonharris.co.uk - the home of ambitextrous guitar > > _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 09:53:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14EpKl16026; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:51:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:51:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1432181.1107528596699.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:49:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mahavishnu was more than speed Re: ELP and shredding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <04WbXB.A.44D.Wu4ACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Me, I specialize in playing a whole lot of instruments I can hardly play in front of live audiences............shamelessly." Tim replies: Ah, Brian Jones Syndrome...not a bad condition to have! As for Mahavishnu, they were always bigger than mere technique, for me. I loved the compositions, most of them. How many people can ROCK AT 11/4?? (LOL) Those cats could. All day. Still holds up for me... To this day, I can even hum you John's solos, because in spite of their sheer speed, there was a certain beauty to a lot of them. The songs play in my head, still, and if you're gonna have a song stuck in your head, you could do a lot worse than "Birds of Fire." Yours in Lenny White (another fine drummer), Tim -----Original Message----- From: "loop.pool" Sent: Feb 4, 2005 12:02 AM To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: ELP and shredding I recently heard "In the beginning" after a long hiatus. What a beautiful song, even if it was atypical of ELPs output. I loved that group and saw them a couple times but I have to say that revisiting most of that material it just hasn't aged well for me, personally. At the time it was virtuosic music that was really impressive. I remember distinctly though, my brother Bill and I going to see an ELP show at Winterland and there was this band called the Mahavishnu Orchestra opening up for them. This was a few weeks before their first record, Inner Mounting Flame came out and I remember so vividly looking over and seeing my brother Bill, as the only standing member of the audience with his mouth literally hanging open 30 seconds into the first song before I realized that I too, was standing with my mouth hanging open...........we were the only ones in the audience who seemed to be having that reaction and I felt like my whole world changed in a heartbeat. Carl Palmer was a really, really accomplished rock drummer and in one quick pass of 16th note triplets across his huge vistalite drumset, Billy Cobham annhialated him and every other rock drummer I had ever seen or loved for sheer speed and power. He just ramped it way, way the fuck up and it was amazing. It's interesting, but for what incredible missionary zeal I had for jazz fusion in those early days, I find that it no longer holds my interest, but I think sometimes that is what happens in the life of a musician...............frequently we go through a phase were sheer viruosity blows us away and inspires us to work our asses off on technique, but it all ultimately becomes a means to an end: the ability to express oneself with one's chosen instrument. Speed and technique now mean very little to me unless it serves the composition and the music (which frequently it doesn't). Bill and I laughingly refer to the excesses of the NAMM show by calling it the: "Weedela weedela Thwakita wakita Thuggida buggida SHOW" because all the insecure guitar players all play 'weedela weedela' arpeggios as fast as they can at every guitar booth all the insecure bass players play 'thwakita wakit' popping and slapping as fast as they can and all the insecure drummers play ' thuggida buggida' triplet 16th rolls at every drum booth. Me, I specialize in playing a whole lot of instruments I can hardly play in front of live audiences............shamelessly........................LOL...........................I should probably pay more attention to the shredders for the sake of my audiences. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 13:15:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14IBob23255; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:11:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:11:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c50ae7$13f0d2c0$d333e204@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: Subject: Roland Manuals Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:26:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C50AB4.C8E0E4A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C50AB4.C8E0E4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a heads up for those who don't know yet,=20 Roland, Boss, Edirol have some of their manuals online now. http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index_alpha.html ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C50AB4.C8E0E4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a heads up for those who don't = know yet,=20
Roland, Boss, Edirol have = some of their=20 manuals online now.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C50AB4.C8E0E4A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 13:26:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14IO0824917; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:24:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:24:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Roland Manuals online! Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:22:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUK5TMJTb5DjRNOQt68XFfIsZwRZwAAR/KQ In-Reply-To: <003e01c50ae7$13f0d2c0$d333e204@hppav> Message-Id: <20050204182233.SFVK6409.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Williamson [mailto:rdwiv@webtv.net] Wrote: Just a heads up for those who don't know yet, Roland, Boss, Edirol have some of their manuals online now. http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index_alpha.html ---->WONDERFUL!!!! Thanks so much for this information! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 14:07:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14J6FQ32520; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:06:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:06:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Harrison Subject: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss DD-20 or? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:05:24 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_z1ogD.A.C6H.2d8ACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I have in the past used 2 revox(es) to achieve frippertronic/terry riley type improvisations. I'm tempted to go for the DL-4, (sounds good from what I've seen written about it), but what is the other serious competition, I see the Boss DD-20 boasts 23 sec. delay time w/ sound on sound fx,. Is there anything else I should consider before I buy? Kevin harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 14:23:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14JMRx02828; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:22:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:22:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:14:55 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss DD-20 or? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <9MCeR.A.3q.St8ACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have in the past used 2 revox(es) to achieve frippertronic/terry > riley type improvisations. I'm tempted to go for the DL-4, (sounds good > from what I've seen written about it), but what is the other serious > competition, I see the Boss DD-20 boasts 23 sec. delay time w/ sound on > sound fx,. Is there anything else I should consider before I buy? IMO the DL4 is a most interesting delay and a great *vanilla* looper. In other words the looping is pretty straightforward and simple without a lot of extra things in it. There is a short delay insdie the looper which can add some effect but otherwise it's a simple loop, reverse, 1/2 speed machine all easily available in realtime with nice big stomps switches. I looked at the newer boss loopers and if I'm not mistaken you can't reverse on the fly without a third extrenal pedal. Don't know what other features they offer. The real question you need ot ask is do you want a simple loop box or do you want something to mess up the sound on the fly inside the box once it's there. For me, there is no better *simple* and convenient loops box than the DL4. it's entirely self contained and a battery run floor unit so you don't need *anything* lese to loop. plus it's got some crazy delays in there as well so you can use it for many, MANY other things outside of looping. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 14:43:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14Jfd405509; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:41:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:41:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502041940.CRK70933@ms3.netsolmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:40:39 -0700 From: Krispen Hartung Subject: Re: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: info@krispenhartung.com X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Wall -wart transformers are quite notorious for their noise...especially the ones Lexicon uses (someone mentioned the Vortex?) When I used a larger, deeper rack one remedy I found was installing a power strip/surge protector as far to the back of the rack as possible; creating as much distance as possible between the wall warts and the equipment. This greatly reduced the hum. Yup..that works somewhat, did that... > I also tried warpping the transformers in foam...didn't work all that well. How about lead foil? :) Got some of that? ?Since then I have replaced all but one of my pieces with stuff that has internal pwr transformers. Now the only problem I have is with my JamMan. My fix was to buy a three foot industrial extension cord from the hardware store, wrap both it and the cord to the JamMan pwr supply in some of that tubing Radio Shack and others sell for cleaning up home theatre cable messes (this acts as a sort of strain relief for the JamMan cable) and plug that into the Furman pwr conditioner in my rack. The three foot extension cord hand out of the back of my rack, down to the floor with the noisy little JamMan transformer. Sure, it does not look as neat as having everything conatined and hidden in the rack, but there is no hum! This will be my last resort...actually, I was going to plug all the wall warts into a power-strip, and then make a nice box to hide tha in...with the power strip main coming out of one end, and all the power wires to the effects coming out of the other end. This could just be tossed in back of the rack when moving. > As far as other ground loop problems go, HumFrees really do work wonders in isolating gear from the rack chasis. As I said in a past email, if you read up on how these so- called HumFrees work, and what they are made of, you'll realize that those capalistic shysters are charging about a 1000% markup on the actual costs of the materials. Go to the hardware stores and buy a handful of nylon washers...put them on both sides of the "ears" of the effect, one washer beneath the scew, and another behind the ear. Kris > I am thinking quite seriously of checking into the Ebtech devices for hum removal on the JamMan supply. My question is whether it will remove "transformer hum" or only deal with ground loop hum (which I think are to different little noise gremlins...) Any one have experience with these? Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 14:57:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14JsVE07542; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:54:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:54:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502041953.CRK76333@ms3.netsolmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:53:26 -0700 From: Krispen Hartung Subject: RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: info@krispenhartung.com X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Y168.A.h0B.FL9ACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice!!! I bet you were able to splice more than just conversations into your loops. ;) All this reminds me of the looping conference in Santa Cruz, when that guy (forgot his name), had the two opera singers/actors sitting in the crowd with their wirless headsets on...and then they were doing some act in the backroom...while we listened from the PA speakers. Kris ***** funny that, I did a show where I put baby monitors under te tables of the guests and began to spice bits of their converstion into my loops using and headphone out of the parent monitor. fun Phill WIlson >From: "Krispen Hartung" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy >Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:22:03 -0700 > >How about this...buy youself an inexpensive baby monitor system. The >cool thing is that it is wireless...plus I think it's a totally >ludicrous use of the technology! :) You could just put a mic on the >receive side (parent) and put the transmitter side (baby) next to your >sound source (amp, percussion devices, mouth, etc). I'm thinking you >could do all sorts of clever things with the wireless part, like leaving >your music loops go, and wandering around with the transimtter, corny >audience interaction, etc. > >http://www.babyuniverse.com/search.asp? store=baby&searchstring=monitor >(some of these have two receivers, so you could get really clever) > >Sorry if someone already suggested this... Hah!!! > >Kris > > > > _____________________________________________________________ ____ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 14:58:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14Juvg08027; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:56:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:56:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:04:05 -0600 Subject: Fuse Question From: Marc To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What if any other fuse other than the Bussman TDC11-250MA will be suitable to use with the white face Gibson EDP? thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 14:59:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14Jvlj08179; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:57:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:57:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss RC-20 or real delay unit? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:57:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUK7yCUdJWM7INiS5+gVpLPlPIJ6gAAzqHA In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050204195723.VACB18503.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --->Only problem with DL-4--too short! 28 seconds max, so if you want to sample entire sections of a tune, they have to be less than half a minute . . . And the other delay models max out at 2.5 (only 1.25 for the reverse, my current favorite). It seems to me that you need several of these boxes for the proper sound--and lots of folks like the DD-20--as always, hear it before you buy it if possible, and be prepared to sell it otherwise. My vote is for the RC-20--I haven't seen the XL, but it seems to solve some limitations of the original(and adds loads more sample time). It too is truly "vanilla" however, so if you want the spacy delay sounds, you'll need to get that from another unit! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Legion [mailto:legion@helpwantedproductions.com] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss DD-20 or? > I have in the past used 2 revox(es) to achieve frippertronic/terry > riley type improvisations. I'm tempted to go for the DL-4, (sounds > good from what I've seen written about it), but what is the other > serious competition, I see the Boss DD-20 boasts 23 sec. delay time w/ > sound on sound fx,. Is there anything else I should consider before I buy? IMO the DL4 is a most interesting delay and a great *vanilla* looper. In other words the looping is pretty straightforward and simple without a lot of extra things in it. There is a short delay insdie the looper which can add some effect but otherwise it's a simple loop, reverse, 1/2 speed machine all easily available in realtime with nice big stomps switches. I looked at the newer boss loopers and if I'm not mistaken you can't reverse on the fly without a third extrenal pedal. Don't know what other features they offer. The real question you need ot ask is do you want a simple loop box or do you want something to mess up the sound on the fly inside the box once it's there. For me, there is no better *simple* and convenient loops box than the DL4. it's entirely self contained and a battery run floor unit so you don't need *anything* lese to loop. plus it's got some crazy delays in there as well so you can use it for many, MANY other things outside of looping. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 15:19:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14KHF911842; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:17:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:17:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502042016.CRK86476@ms3.netsolmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:16:26 -0700 From: Krispen Hartung Subject: Re: Mahavishnu was more than speed Re: ELP and shredding To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: info@krispenhartung.com X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9IhKKC.A.q3C.ig9ACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Ah, Brian Jones Syndrome...not a bad condition to have! > As for Mahavishnu, they were always bigger than mere technique, for me. I loved the compositions, most of them. How many people can ROCK AT 11/4?? (LOL) Well, it's a different genre (not jazz/rock), but Rush, Yes, and Dream Theater have done a pretty damn good job at playing the heavey stuff in odd time signatures...especially DM. But, I agree, Mahavishnu is amazing...got all their stuff in my collection. Ever listen much to Larry Coryell? > Those cats could. All day. Still holds up for me... To this day, I can even hum you John's solos, because in spite of their sheer speed, there was a certain beauty to a lot of them. The songs play in my head, still, and if you're gonna have a song stuck in your head, you could do a lot worse than "Birds of Fire." Yours in Lenny White (another fine drummer), Tim If you like that old McLaughlin stuff, you should check out his "The Heart of Things" and "The Promise". On the Promise, the song Jazz Jungle is out of this world...in fact, John has described this as his idea of jazz fusion. Kris -----Original Message----- From: "loop.pool" Sent: Feb 4, 2005 12:02 AM To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: ELP and shredding I recently heard "In the beginning" after a long hiatus. What a beautiful song, even if it was atypical of ELPs output. I loved that group and saw them a couple times but I have to say that revisiting most of that material it just hasn't aged well for me, personally. At the time it was virtuosic music that was really impressive. I remember distinctly though, my brother Bill and I going to see an ELP show at Winterland and there was this band called the Mahavishnu Orchestra opening up for them. This was a few weeks before their first record, Inner Mounting Flame came out and I remember so vividly looking over and seeing my brother Bill, as the only standing member of the audience with his mouth literally hanging open 30 seconds into the first song before I realized that I too, was standing with my mouth hanging open...........we were the only ones in the audience who seemed to be having that reaction and I felt like my whole world changed in a heartbeat. Carl Palmer was a really, really accomplished rock drummer and in one quick pass of 16th note triplets across his huge vistalite drumset, Billy Cobham annhialated him and every other rock drummer I had ever seen or loved for sheer speed and power. He just ramped it way, way the fuck up and it was amazing. It's interesting, but for what incredible missionary zeal I had for jazz fusion in those early days, I find that it no longer holds my interest, but I think sometimes that is what happens in the life of a musician...............frequently we go through a phase were sheer viruosity blows us away and inspires us to work our asses off on technique, but it all ultimately becomes a means to an end: the ability to express oneself with one's chosen instrument. Speed and technique now mean very little to me unless it serves the composition and the music (which frequently it doesn't). Bill and I laughingly refer to the excesses of the NAMM show by calling it the: "Weedela weedela Thwakita wakita Thuggida buggida SHOW" because all the insecure guitar players all play 'weedela weedela' arpeggios as fast as they can at every guitar booth all the insecure bass players play 'thwakita wakit' popping and slapping as fast as they can and all the insecure drummers play ' thuggida buggida' triplet 16th rolls at every drum booth. Me, I specialize in playing a whole lot of instruments I can hardly play in front of live audiences............shamelessly........................LOL.. .........................I should probably pay more attention to the shredders for the sake of my audiences. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 15:22:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14KK7V12461; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:20:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:20:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502042019.CRK87747@ms3.netsolmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:19:18 -0700 From: Krispen Hartung Subject: RE: Roland Manuals online! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: info@krispenhartung.com X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The VF-1 manual isn't there, but you can download that at the VF-1 Yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BossVF1/ Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 15:30:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14KSAK14020; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:28:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:28:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,179,1102309200"; d="scan'208"; a="5804636:sNHT16875752" Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad KP2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.10 March 22, 2002 Message-ID: From: Rafael_Cohen@prusec.com Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:27:34 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 02/04/2005 03:27:32 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2005 20:27:35.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[F67BDE40:01C50AF7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi y'all, New to the list here. I've cruised the archives many times for loads of useful gear info, but this is the first time I've subscribed, so I can ask a question. Which is: Is it possible to sync loops on the KP2 to MIDI clock? I don't understand MIDI real well, I am much more versed in Control Voltage, but you don't get much sampling action on modular analog synths! ; ) If so is it com;plicated or just a one time setting, etc... Thanks for any help, Rafael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 15:33:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14KUrO14796; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:30:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:30:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502042030.CRK92413@ms3.netsolmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:30:17 -0700 From: Krispen Hartung Subject: RE: Roland Manuals online! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: info@krispenhartung.com X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Intereseting...the Boss VF-1 isn't on the Roland site, but Boss just put it on their site...VERY recently: http://www.rolandus.com/support/product_manual.asp?Letter=V Either the Roland site is behind, or they don't post all Boss manual on the Roland site. Anyway, now you don't have to sign up for the VF-1 Yahoo group to get the manual. Kris Rick Williamson [mailto:rdwiv@webtv.net] Wrote: Just a heads up for those who don't know yet, Roland, Boss, Edirol have some of their manuals online now. http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index_alpha.html ---->WONDERFUL!!!! Thanks so much for this information! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 15:49:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14Kh7816542; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:43:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:43:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <54.3d34f077.2f35382c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:42:20 EST Subject: Re: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss DD-20 or? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_54.3d34f077.2f35382c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <0_CgbB.A.6AE.z49ACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_54.3d34f077.2f35382c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/4/05 2:16:59 PM, harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk writes: > Is there anything else I should consider before I buy? > boomerang --part1_54.3d34f077.2f35382c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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boomerang --part1_54.3d34f077.2f35382c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 16:35:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14LY8223259; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:34:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:34:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4203E99A.70906@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:31:06 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #411 for February 3, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5R6etD.A.QqF.6o-ACB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050203.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #411 February 3, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Klause Schulze's Deluxe Edition reissues from InsideOut Music. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Mirage." The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Mosaique" by Robert Schroder on IC Records released in 1981. Klause Schulze - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#feb PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ 11:00 pm Robert Schroder Computer Voice * Mosaique (IC) Hemisphere Sway From Inside the Cyclone (Groove) VA [Cosmic Hoffmann] Requiem To the Sky and Beyond the Stars (Quantum) vidnaObmana Torment and Resolution Legacy (Relapse) VA [Create] Surface Control Awakenings 2005 (none) VA [Joint Intelligence Hot; Pot; Supper Awakenings 2005 (none) Committee] 12:00 am Klaus Schulze Velvet Voyage Mirage (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Crystal Lake Mirage (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze In Cosa Crede Chi Non Mirage (InsideOut) Crede? * 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Klause Schulze Deluxe Edition reissues put out on InsideOut Records. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Le Moulin De Daudet." The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Dreamtime Return" by Steve Roach on Fortuna Records from 1988. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 19:15:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j150DEO14528; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:13:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:13:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Ti6blrrHuA2cwXqxpXopv7xsX9Nyz+R4pm+ESyNa9NJWwXrThf6F8NCfE7G4/xb0V9sT2ve3/Mc8W6VH1rJKmXomn4+K4Eb9ALlJoM/JpymVqG4XkFq/WSqLMWbmAyBYyz3kkcHzowt13CUu9o47X6sumjJrfD5ba+ZshUtJtHk= ; Message-ID: <20050205001232.13021.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:12:32 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: harpist new to loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200502040245.j142j8604217@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Linda, It's not clear from your post just what you are looking to do with looping. I'm in Seattle also, and I'd be glad to chat on the phone a bit if you like. I do a lot of looping with keyboards and I've finally settled on the Repeater as my looper of choice. Stephen 547 9696 I play double-strung folk harps and have been bit by the looping bug. I need one and soon, for the improvisational/rhythmic music I perform. But I haven't got a clue what to buy. I'm a luddite as far as tech/computuer/musical interfaces are concerned, so just need a simple box (the simplest?) with which to loop two tracks, if that's the right way to describe it. Any suggestions? I use a Barcus Berry transducer pick up mic on the harp, and have a 2-channel, non-fancy amp to use when needed. More often I plug into a house PA system. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 19:26:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j150OUr16020; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:24:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:24:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c50b19$d2750720$f9b9a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <000001c50a3f$3d0a9bd0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP (rip) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:29:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.185.249] at Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:23:26 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Technically, the Young Person's Guide to King Crimson was a double album, but I see your point. Perhaps the fact that KC didn't issue a double album ever is really a positive thing. Afterall, they are the only name that still is current (aside from Pink Floyd) from among that stable of peers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: AW: OT ELP/JP (rip) > I used to dislike any kind of organ use in rock (or jazz) music. Then I > listened to Tarkus to the first time...the beginning of the organ solo > in "Mass" seemed unreal to me - this sounded like someone starting to > puke! I may not say this album has changed my life, but it definitely > changed my live sound! > > I once started to write an essay about the progressive rock phenomenon, > and there I stated the thesis that each of the big groups of this genre > in the seventies reached their climax with their double (or triple) > album. For ELP, this was the "Welcome back my friends" album, for Yes, > the "Yessongs", and for Genesis, it was the Lamb. > > Alas, there hasn't been a double album by King Crimson (if you don't > count in the B'Boom "officialized bootleg") > > And btw, in case you haven't done so already - "UP" by Peter Gabriel is > a great album (albeit not a proggy one). I want to own his staff of > engineers for a day... > > Rainer > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Jesse Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Februar 2005 22:01 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: OT ELP/JP (rip) > > > ELP was the shit. Tarkus changed my life. > > Some of the later stuff was...well...just wrong. Love Beach? This is > the same guy who played on In the Court of the Crimson King and Tarkus? > > Oh well. > > Still, what they did that was good, was really good. > > Emerson's organ sound on the first two albums is the best. > > -J > > > > Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2005, at 12:40 PM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > >> they were a technically-accomplished trio, but quite lacking in any > >> creative sense-of-purpose or direction, & they managed to alienate > >> many peers in the business with their in-jokes & technical excesses. > >> > >> & thus peel described ELP as "a waste of /talent/ & electricity". > > > > > > even put into perspective, John Peel's comments were completely > > unfair. > > > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 19:47:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j150jnl19145; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:45:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:45:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c50b1c$db908ac0$f9b9a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <1432181.1107528596699.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Mahavishnu, California Guitar Trio, Looping Theremin Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:51:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.163.185.249] at Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:45:09 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yesterday evening in Boston, the California Guitar Trio, accompanied by Tony Levin and Pat Mastoletto played Mahavishnu's Dance of The Maya. Pamelia Kurstin, on looping & theremin, opened the show and joined the band for a totally awesome version of Miserlou. Shje can hit her notes! It was quite good. The California Guitar Trio played well, as did Tony Levin and Pat Mastoletto. They did their usual mix of virtuosic and goofy elements, including instrumental versions of Long Distance Roundabout, a Ghost Riders In The Sky + Rider of The Storm medley, Miserlou, Bach's Fugue in D Minor, and Mahavishnu's Dance of Maya. Perhaps the highlight of the night for me was when they played an instrumental version of Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody. And the whole room started singing along. As you can imagine, it was very sweet and very funny. It's quite a thing to see Tony Levin play. He's sooo relaxed, and he communicates well with the other players on stage. At one point he donned a woolly Patriots hat and stepped to the microphone. I've never heard him speak before, so hearing his Boston accent was a bit of a surprize. Go Pats! David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Mahavishnu was more than speed Re: ELP and shredding > "Me, I specialize in playing a whole lot of instruments I can hardly play in > front of live > audiences............shamelessly." > > Tim replies: > Ah, Brian Jones Syndrome...not a bad condition to have! > > As for Mahavishnu, they were always bigger than mere technique, for me. I loved the compositions, most of them. How many people can ROCK AT 11/4?? (LOL) > Those cats could. > All day. > Still holds up for me... To this day, I can even hum you John's solos, because in spite of their sheer speed, there was a certain beauty to a lot of them. The songs play in my head, still, and if you're gonna have a song stuck in your head, you could do a lot worse than "Birds of Fire." > Yours in Lenny White (another fine drummer), > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "loop.pool" > Sent: Feb 4, 2005 12:02 AM > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Subject: ELP and shredding > > I recently heard "In the beginning" after a long hiatus. > What a beautiful song, even if it was atypical of ELPs output. > > I loved that group and saw them a couple times but I have to say that > revisiting most of that material > it just hasn't aged well for me, personally. > > At the time it was virtuosic music that was really impressive. > > I remember distinctly though, my brother Bill and I going to see an ELP > show at Winterland > and there was this band called the Mahavishnu Orchestra opening up for them. > This was a few weeks before > their first record, Inner Mounting Flame came out and I remember so vividly > looking over > and seeing my brother Bill, as the only standing member of the audience with > his mouth literally hanging open > 30 seconds into the first song before I realized that I too, was standing > with my mouth hanging open...........we were the only > ones in the audience who seemed to be having that reaction and I felt like > my whole world changed in a heartbeat. > > Carl Palmer was a really, really accomplished rock drummer and in one quick > pass of 16th note triplets across his huge > vistalite drumset, Billy Cobham annhialated him and every other rock > drummer I had ever seen or loved for sheer speed and power. He just ramped > it way, way the fuck up and it was amazing. > > It's interesting, but for what incredible missionary zeal I had for jazz > fusion in those early days, I find that it no longer holds > my interest, but I think sometimes that is what happens in the life of a > musician...............frequently we go through a phase were sheer viruosity > blows us away and inspires us to work our asses off on technique, but it all > ultimately becomes a means to an end: the ability to express oneself with > one's chosen instrument. > > Speed and technique now mean very little to me unless it serves the > composition and the music (which frequently it doesn't). > Bill and I laughingly refer to the excesses of the NAMM show by calling it > the: > > "Weedela weedela > Thwakita wakita > Thuggida buggida > SHOW" > > because all the insecure guitar players all play 'weedela weedela' arpeggios > as fast as they can at every guitar booth > all the insecure bass players play 'thwakita wakit' popping and slapping as > fast as they can and > all the insecure drummers play ' thuggida buggida' triplet 16th rolls at > every drum booth. > > Me, I specialize in playing a whole lot of instruments I can hardly play in > front of live > audiences............shamelessly........................LOL................. ..........I > should probably pay more attention > to the shredders for the sake of my audiences. > > rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 20:35:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j151Y3524947; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:34:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:34:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c50abe$3933fea0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad KP2 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:34:16 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi y'all, > New to the list here. I've cruised the archives many times for loads of > useful gear info, but this is the first time I've subscribed, so I can ask > a question. > > Which is: > > Is it possible to sync loops on the KP2 to MIDI clock? > > I don't understand MIDI real well, I am much more versed in Control > Voltage, but you don't get much sampling action on modular analog synths! > ; ) > If so is it com;plicated or just a one time setting, etc... > > Thanks for any help, > Rafael The samplers in the KP2 won't sync to MIDI clock. I've also found that some of the BPM effects tend to drift too. Has anyone else noticed this? Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 4 21:02:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1521R327908; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:01:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:01:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Subject: Violin Looper performing in SF Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:01:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000901c50abe$3933fea0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <81T7ID.A.fzG.ejCBCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello fellow loopists, I do live phrase sampling (i.e. looping) using a six-string electric violin, a bunch of effects, an RC-20 and a Boomerang. I go for long loops - like 16 or 32 bars, and I try to make each loops sound like a complete song with an arrangement that builds. I call my act the One-Man String Quartet. I have posted 8 mp3s of these songs on my website www.adrianwest.com. I invite you to take a listen. I also invite anyone living in the California Bay Area to come hear me perform my loops live on Feb. 19th in San Francisco. Details about the show are below. Thanks! Adrian West www.adrianwest.com Saturday Feb. 19th, 8:00 pm Off-Market Theater 965 Mission @ 5th street (415) 896-6477 - $12 - $15 sliding scale - All Ages -- www.cafearts.com Adrian West's One-Man String Quartet followed by Middle-eastern-inspired rock, pop & jazz innovations by Bruce Burger of RebbeSoul - www.rebbesoul.com Note of interest: this venue has recently acquired its liquor license! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 03:02:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1581oa05445; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:01:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:01:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Chris Kline" To: Subject: Loopy Llama for OSX released Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 01:58:57 -0600 Message-ID: <01a401c50b58$8e666530$0200a8c0@honcho> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2174595247922928eb1add6cbc740e0a@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: <5Gc0mD.A.STB.Y0HBCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ask and you shall receive, Per. Let me know how this works for everybody. It seems that most loopers-delighters are Mac people...so perhaps this will now open some more looping doors. For those that just tuned in, it's a VST looping plugin intended for live performance...details at www.rekliner.com Per (no pun intended) other threads in the list I am working on separate record, play, and stop buttons to better capture the features of many different loopers. Also still working on exact tempo sync, reset clearing all but the first loop, and adjustable speed. Thanks for all the input so far...let me know if you have any other ideas. I have no doubt that the future of looping lies with computers. Chris http://chriskline.com -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 03:42:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j158fS709991; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:41:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:41:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:40:49 +0100 Subject: Manula Italian RC-20XL From: Litografica Banzi To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3190441249_36399475" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3190441249_36399475 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Where I can find the handbook in Italian of loop station the Rc-20xl? Thanks --B_3190441249_36399475 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Manula Italian RC-20XL Where I can find the ha= ndbook in Italian of loop station the Rc-20xl?
Thanks --B_3190441249_36399475-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 05:10:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15A8nh20907; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:08:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:08:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.240.72.76] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200502042016.CRK86476@ms3.netsolmail.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mahavishnu was more than speed Re: ELP and shredding Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 02:06:11 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2005 10:07:00.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EE5CCC0:01C50B6A] Resent-Message-ID: <5n8R6D.A.mCF.trJBCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In 73 I sawCoryell play and the opener was a trumpeter I'd never heard of,Chet Baker.I didn;t really like older jazz then I liked the wilder Bop,and Rhasan,Bitches Brew,I saw all the fusion stars ,but relaxed tempo cool trumpet was not what I was interested.Baker played My Funny Valentine which I considered a pure cornball tune,the kind of stuff my father liked.But he put so much into it that he made one note have more complexity of emotion than I'd ever dreamed possible.He played one note that changed my whole concept of music. He was telling the Truth,he was testifying. In comparison Coryell was boring,he played a million notes .clever superimpositions,complex rhythms,but none of it moved me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 06:21:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15BKXl29415; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:20:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:20:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?RE:_Zurich_Loopfest_2005?= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:22:54 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050204025934.98256.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you, William. I'm afraid I can't move it, timewise. But next year I'll take that fact into consideration. Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: William Klemmer [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com] Sent: Freitag, 4. Februar 2005 04:00 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Z|rich Loopfest 2005 Just an FYI: airline tickets from the US to Europe are much cheaper after August, WK Bernhard Wagner wrote: Dear Fellow Loop Infested I was fortunate enough in 2004 to play at several of the wonderful loopfests organized by members of this list and would like to propose a loopfestival in Z|rich 2005. I'm aiming at 2nd half of August. Please let me know if you are interested in performing or organizing a loopfest yourself around that time in order to avoid collisions. Details to follow Bernhard http://looop.biz Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page  Try My Yahoo! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 10:13:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15FCBV28923; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:12:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:12:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0dedcfa6dcdc14cf875629aaf3c1bb22@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Harrison Subject: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss DD-20 or Akai E2 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:11:11 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody got anything to add re; DD-20 or the Akai E2 Headrush, any users out there with pertinent comments on either of these. I think what I'm looking for is something to emulate frippertronics delay rather than a 'vanilla' looper. thanks to everyone who replied to my previous message, I'm new to loopers delight and have only just started browsing the archives. Kevin harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 10:53:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15Fq0p03416; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:52:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:52:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0020775ec1e782e36e55dddaca321d71@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Looping mentions in the music press Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:51:16 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed95fece99c9834b8fd22c036236f364557350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.49.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The new issue of Frets (Winter 2005) has a one-page article on the JamMan by Joseph Arthur, extolling its virtues and usefulness in his music (he uses two of them sync'ed together live to whip up backing tracks for himself on the fly). "Well, it is what it is. It's certainly not a hi-fi device, and it has limited function, but I like it. I mean, it wn't save the world, you know? Still, it sounds good enough for me, and it inspires me to create all sorts of strange music." And the new issue of Guitar Player (March 2005) has Nels Cline, noted patron of the EH 16 on the cover and an Andy Summers article discussing his new album with Ben Verdery which makes use of...Summertronics. Really. TravisH *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 12:08:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15H6lS12878; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:06:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:06:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050205103135.03bd3710@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:03:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss DD-20 or Akai E2 In-Reply-To: <0dedcfa6dcdc14cf875629aaf3c1bb22@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk > References: <0dedcfa6dcdc14cf875629aaf3c1bb22@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:11 AM 2/5/2005, Kevin Harrison wrote: >anybody got anything to add re; DD-20 or the Akai E2 Headrush, any users >out there with pertinent comments on either of these. I think what I'm >looking for is something to emulate frippertronics delay rather than a >'vanilla' looper. Kevin, Glad to see you bring this back up, as I'd some thoughts here but was afraid the thread had gone stale by the time I got to it. In particular regard to the Line 6 DL-4: I currently use Line 6 Echo Pro's (the DL-4's rack-mounted big brother), which have the same basic loop engine as the DL-4 but with more memory for longer delay time. While I play synths rather than outright guitar, I do use a guitar controller to drive my synth rig. Using just my guitar patches in conjunction with a volume pedal, I've been able to get a damn good emulation of Frippertronics out of the Line 6 devices. I think the key factor you're seeking is the ability to cleanly overdub on top of a seamless loop. In my experience, the Line 6 does an excellent job of that, and I'm able to easily build a variety of ambient textures and soundscapes quite quickly using only the overdub in conjunction with the reverse and double/half-speed functionality. As has been pointed out, the one Achilles' heel of the the DL-4 is the relatively short amount of memory available. I'd agree that if you were trying to loop and switch between standard Verse-Chorus-Break parts, you'd probably get somewhat frustrated with the amount of available loop time. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't sound as if that's the kind of music you're doing. The best advice I could give is simply take your axe down to your local retailer and try it out. I think the sound you're looking for is easily and simply obtainable by the DL-4, but you're going to have to decide for yourself if the unit has enough memory for your purposes, or if you're going to need longer loops than it can provide. Not to mention that you could always consider the Echo Pro instead, which has about 99 seconds of addressable loop time <*large evil grin*>. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 12:10:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15H7cj13086; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:07:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:07:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <15c.497aa17e.2f3656f5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:05:57 EST Subject: Re: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss DD-20 or Akai E2 To: harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15c.497aa17e.2f3656f5_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15c.497aa17e.2f3656f5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin, In a message dated 02/05/05 7:12:08, harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk=20 writes: > anybody got anything to add re; DD-20 . . . >=20 Well, although I am a long-time EDP user I have owned 2 DL-4s, an RC-20,=20 3 DD-20s and I also even once owned a pair of the original EH16-SDs (but=20 that's all ancient history). My opinion on the DD-20 is that I liked it=20 better=20 than either the DL-4 or RC-20. It suited what I do a little better than thos= e=20 other boxes and still had a fairly generous 23 second max delay time. I found the DL-4s easy to use and to have some very cool additional=20 effects and features but to be not very rugged (broke a lot) and have a=20 definite negative affect on the sound quality even in bypass mode. The=20 RC-20 had a fantastic amount of delay time but no way to fade out loop=20 material over time. The DD-20 has great sound quality (on or off)=20 several cool effects (though not as many or as easy to access as the=20 DL-4) and the neat capability of being able to set up a simple multiple=20 synched loops within the pedal itself.=20 Example: The DD-20 has 4 memory locations that you can store preset=20 delay settings to. These are accessed by the footpedal on the right=20 with which you can step through all 4 memory slots (and a "live" 5th=20 slot) in sequence. The one neat trick of the DD-20 is you can switch=20 from one slot to the other and the previous one keeps on playing=20 (depending on the feedback setting). You can therefore set up a short=20 delay and a long delay adjacent to one another and preset their delay=20 times so that they synch up perfectly. It's almost like using "multiply"=20 on the EDP.=20 Set up a short repeating pulse delay in the first slot with 100% feedback=20 so it keeps going indefinitely (or slightly less so it degrades only verrrry= =20 slowly) tap the right pedal to go to the next slot which could be set up=20 to have a delay time of say 2x, 4x, 8x or 16x the delay time of the=20 first slot -- the first short delay keeps on playing while you input=20 a new longer delay phrase in perfect synch. Once you're happy with=20 the 2nd delay you can hit the left pedal and lock out any new input=20 and solo away on top of these 2 perfectly synched loops. Get the idea?=20 You can do this with any adjacent pair of delay slots. If you move to a=20 3rd slot while the original 2 are playing the first one stops and only the=20 2nd (and your newly created 3rd one) will play. In this way you can step=20 through a whole array of synched loops whose timing can be preselected=20 to be subdivisions or multiples of each other in complex ways. Only 2 delays= =20 will play at a time . . . but that's still pretty cool. If you own multiple=20 DD-20s=20 their time settings are astonishingly accurate from pedal to pedal and even=20 delays in seperate units still synch perfectly. In this way you can set up=20 one pedal to do reverse delay stuff on the fly (or other effects) as desired= .=20 There are also some tap-tempo capabilities to the DD-20 but I haven't explored them as much (they take a little reprogramming and an extra=20 external pedal to do). I am now back down to owning just one DD-20 but it is still a cool pedal.=20 I hope this gives you some things to think about. Musician's Fiend is sellin= g=20 DD-20s for $185 in their latest catalog. There also seem to always be plenty= =20 of them on eBay for even less. I sold 2 of mine there a couple of months=20 ago for nearly as much as I bought them for originally. They seem to be a=20 pretty good value. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_15c.497aa17e.2f3656f5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin,

In a message dated 02/05/05 7:12:08, harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk writ= es:

anybody got anything t= o add re; DD-20 . . .

Well, although I am a long-time EDP user I have owned 2 DL-4s, an RC-20, 3 DD-20s and I also even once owned a pair of the original EH16-SDs (but that's all ancient history). My opinion on the DD-20 is that I liked it bett= er
than either the DL-4 or RC-20. It suited what I do a little better than thos= e
other boxes and still had a fairly generous 23 second max delay time.

I found the DL-4s easy to use and to have some very cool additional
effects and features but to be not very rugged (broke a lot) and have a
definite negative affect on the sound quality even in bypass mode. The
RC-20 had a fantastic amount of delay time but no way to fade out loop
material over time. The DD-20 has great sound quality (on or off)
several cool effects (though not as many or as easy to access as the
DL-4) and the neat capability of being able to set up a simple multiple
synched loops within the pedal itself.

Example: The DD-20 has 4 memory locations that you can store preset
delay settings to. These are accessed by the footpedal on the right
with which you can step through all 4 memory slots (and a "live" 5th
slot) in sequence. The one neat trick of the DD-20 is you can switch
from one slot to the other and the previous one keeps on playing
(depending on the feedback setting). You can therefore set up a short
delay and a long delay adjacent to one another and preset their delay
times so that they synch up perfectly. It's almost like using "multiply" on the EDP.

Set up a short repeating pulse delay in the first slot with 100% feedback so it keeps going indefinitely (or slightly less so it degrades only verrrry=
slowly) tap the right pedal to go to the next slot which could be set up to have a delay time of say 2x, 4x, 8x or 16x the delay time of the
first slot -- the first short delay keeps on playing while you input
a new longer delay phrase in perfect synch. Once you're happy with
the 2nd delay you can hit the left pedal and lock out any new input
and solo away on top of these 2 perfectly synched loops. Get the idea?

You can do this with any adjacent pair of delay slots. If you move to a
3rd slot while the original 2 are playing the first one stops and only the <= BR> 2nd (and your newly created 3rd one) will play. In this way you can step through a whole array of synched loops whose timing can be preselected
to be subdivisions or multiples of each other in complex ways. Only 2 delays=
will play at a time . . . but that's still pretty cool. If you own multiple=20= DD-20s
their time settings are astonishingly accurate from pedal to pedal and even=20=
delays in seperate units still synch perfectly. In this way you can set up <= BR> one pedal to do reverse delay stuff on the fly (or other effects) as desired= .
There are also some tap-tempo capabilities to the DD-20 but I haven't
explored them as much (they take a little reprogramming and an extra
external pedal to do).

I am now back down to owning just one DD-20 but it is still a cool pedal. I hope this gives you some things to think about. Musician's Fiend is sellin= g
DD-20s for $185 in their latest catalog. There also seem to always be plenty=
of them on eBay for even less. I sold 2 of mine there a couple of months ago for nearly as much as I bought them for originally. They seem to be a pretty good value.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_15c.497aa17e.2f3656f5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 12:21:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15HKpN15338; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:20:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:20:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.556eca9c.2f365a2d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:19:41 EST Subject: Re: Looping mentions in the music press To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12d.556eca9c.2f365a2d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <0ANPWC.A.nsD.3AQBCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12d.556eca9c.2f365a2d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep, In a message dated 02/05/05 7:52:40, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: > And the new issue of Guitar Player (March 2005) has Nels Cline, noted > patron of the EH 16 on the cover >=20 And I can say I knew him when. Heheheh.=20 Nels is EXACTLY the humble and generous guy AND the talented, creative=20 and blazing musician described in the article. He used to perform in and=20 organize the "New Music Monday" program at the now defunct Alligator=20 Lounge in Santa Monica, CA some years back -- when I still lived in SoCal.=20 I've seen him play scads of times and always had to pick my jaw and=20 eye-balls up off the floor every time. I've played on that same stage a few times myself and he was always very generous and encouraging=20 at the bar afterwards.=20 There is an expression: "It couldn't happen to a nicer guy." Well, in=20 this one case it happens to be true. He also gives hope to us "older" players that dispels the thought that if you haven't made your "mark" by the time you're twentysomething you should just give up. He didn't and look where he is now. That is soooooo cool. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_12d.556eca9c.2f365a2d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep,

In a message dated 02/05/05 7:52:40, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes:

And the new issue of G= uitar Player (March 2005) has Nels Cline, noted
patron of the EH 16 on the cover

And I can say I knew him when. Heheheh.

Nels is EXACTLY the humble and generous guy AND the talented, creative
and blazing musician described in the article. He used to perform in and organize the "New Music Monday" program at the now defunct Alligator
Lounge in Santa Monica, CA some years back -- when I still lived in SoCal. <= BR>
I've seen him play scads of times and always had to pick my jaw and
eye-balls up off the floor every time. I've played on that same stage a
few times myself and he was always very generous and encouraging
at the bar afterwards.

There is an expression: "It couldn't happen to a nicer guy." Well, in
this one case it happens to be true. He also gives hope to us "older"
players that dispels the thought that if you haven't made your "mark"
by the time you're twentysomething you should just give up. He didn't
and look where he is now.

That is soooooo cool.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_12d.556eca9c.2f365a2d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 12:26:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15HQ5r16405; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:26:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:26:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=bhfY9dJuwwEA3DYs8v/zZi9l4qEKZVGuquWQOxnuO1Y8oay4YKIn3c+tKL78lwUvB3rV5jfMljD/7J7SfumtGeU/gCeW5libTOgnq8dJPq8y+IaNNG0UjMOxms+AMhMDMXKyk9E8AYyKBohJmZmTdwhFIwnp1IeTF4VrQO01Cjo= ; Message-ID: <20050205172423.58464.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:24:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping mentions in the music press To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0020775ec1e782e36e55dddaca321d71@sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > And the new issue of Guitar Player (March 2005) has > Nels Cline, noted patron of the EH 16 on the cover It'd be interesting to hear what Mr. Cline has to say about the EH16 reissue as compared to the more venerable one he uses... > and an Andy Summers article discussing > his new album with Ben Verdery which makes use > of...Summertronics. I Advance Aghast... :P -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 12:29:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15HSNN17081; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:28:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:28:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=oZHE+ZNL7vNS71zeIJZ25VO0iniMlCPgcKAnMMTiEI3n7M0VP2KcOhD7Y+j41fvEnPc27pgxp2DS2rC+LrhaqLCf2DuxyBmb3bhSmF9zhBKHlfcYXRZXx9kiSAPWrmorYY1V5qY24xEr02pVM36O4i5yuNv2CHQsIFe5b70JTOs= ; Message-ID: <20050205172757.9026.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:27:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss DD-20 or Akai E2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050205103135.03bd3710@gemini.lunarpages.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7DqpsD.A.tJE.jIQBCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was surprised to read that Line6 had dropped the DL4; figured they were selling well, since ya see so many of them out there... Is the EchoPro still in production? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 12:58:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15Hw5q21059; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:58:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:58:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andreas Wetterberg" To: "Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight. Com" Subject: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:57:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c50bac$193ee580$0200000a@ANDREAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C50BB4.7B034D80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C50BB4.7B034D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =20 I just wanted to share this link with y'all. The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the plug is called the AngstroLooper. =20 It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, clean =EDnterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a beta, and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. =20 http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm =20 I've used it to do some very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and Absynth 3 combined, truly stellar. =20 Andreas. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C50BB4.7B034D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 all,
 
I just = wanted to=20 share this link with y'all.
The = plugin is by a=20 guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the plug is called the=20 AngstroLooper.
 
It's = really good, it=20 does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, clean =EDnterface = with all the=20 right functions (for me, anyways). It's a beta, and i reckon it promises = a lot=20 of good things.
 
http://plugins.timeshard.= com/index.htm
 
I've = used it to do=20 some very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and Absynth 3 = combined,=20 truly stellar.
 
Andreas.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C50BB4.7B034D80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 13:25:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15IOqR25163; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:24:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:24:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42050F1E.90609@pdq.net> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:23:26 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping mentions in the music press References: <20050205172423.58464.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050205172423.58464.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5kGkGD.A.JHG.g8QBCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That made me actually laugh out loud! Thanks, I needed that. >>and an Andy Summers article discussing >>his new album with Ben Verdery which makes use >>of...Summertronics. >> >> > >I Advance Aghast... :P > >-t- > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 13:29:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15ISO325932; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:28:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:28:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502051827.j15IRTS25767@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:28:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C50B86.8D40BB00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000701c50bac$193ee580$0200000a@ANDREAS> Thread-Index: AcULrEA9ifEMSNDDSAKfbitxo1NvYgAA928Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C50B86.8D40BB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Haven't setup to try yet but, looks the closest to what I want in a = software looper yet overdub, replace, glitch capable -nice Thanks for sharing the info. _____ =20 From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk]=20 Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight. Com Subject: Yet another new free VST looper Hi all, =20 I just wanted to share this link with y'all. The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the = plug is called the AngstroLooper. =20 It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, clean =EDnterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a = beta, and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. =20 http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm =20 I've used it to do some very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and Absynth = 3 combined, truly stellar. =20 Andreas. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C50B86.8D40BB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Haven't setup to try yet but, looks the closest = to what I=20 want in a software looper yet overdub, replace, glitch capable=20 -nice
Thanks for sharing the = info.

From: Andreas Wetterberg=20 [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk]
Sent: Saturday, = February 05,=20 2005 12:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight.=20 Com
Subject: Yet another new free VST = looper

Hi=20 all,
 
I just = wanted to=20 share this link with y'all.
The = plugin is by a=20 guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the plug is called the=20 AngstroLooper.
 
It's = really good, it=20 does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, clean =EDnterface = with all the=20 right functions (for me, anyways). It's a beta, and i reckon it promises = a lot=20 of good things.
 
http://plugins.timeshard.= com/index.htm
 
I've = used it to do=20 some very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and Absynth 3 = combined,=20 truly stellar.
 
Andreas.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C50B86.8D40BB00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 13:36:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15IZmM27185; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:35:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:35:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <200502051829.j15ITuG26227@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502051829.j15ITuG26227@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Subject: Re: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss DD-20 or Akai E2 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:34:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed9f1362b4c3443ff26b08ecd4b205dd078350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.49.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If someone's looking to cop the Frippertronics vibe, it's worth noting that the delay time Fripp used was between 4 and 6 seconds, which is with the reach of just about any looping device these days. TravisH On Feb 5, 2005, at 10:29 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Using just my guitar patches in conjunction with a volume pedal, I've > been able to get a damn good emulation of Frippertronics out of the > Line 6 devices. I think the key factor you're seeking is the ability > to cleanly overdub on top of a seamless loop. In my experience, the > Line 6 does an excellent job of that, and I'm able to easily build a > variety of ambient textures and soundscapes quite quickly using only > the overdub in conjunction with the reverse and double/half-speed > functionality. > > As has been pointed out, the one Achilles' heel of the the DL-4 is the > relatively short amount of memory available. I'd agree that if you > were trying to loop and switch between standard Verse-Chorus-Break > parts, you'd probably get somewhat frustrated with the amount of > available loop time. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't > sound as if that's the kind of music you're doing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 13:38:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15IbSE27839; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:37:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:37:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <30.6b8e49db.2f366c3c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:36:44 EST Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j15IaoS27478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any chance for a mac vst version? ...pant... pant... >Hi all, > > > >I just wanted to share this link with y'all. > >The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the plug >is > >called the AngstroLooper. > > > >It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, > >clean ínterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a >beta, > >and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. > > > >http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 13:42:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15IfMx28982; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:41:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:41:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <30.6b8e49db.2f366c3c@aol.com> References: <30.6b8e49db.2f366c3c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Kevin Harrison Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:40:00 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j15Ie2S28668 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i echo that...echo that...echo.. On Feb 05, 2005, at 18:36, RA336@aol.com wrote: > any chance for a mac vst version? > ...pant... pant... > >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I just wanted to share this link with y'all. >> >> The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the >> plug >> is >> >> called the AngstroLooper. >> >> >> >> It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a >> nice, >> >> clean ínterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a >> beta, >> >> and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. >> >> >> >> http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm > > harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 13:57:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15ItQa31332; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:55:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:55:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.151.206.83] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Argh, now I have an edp problem Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:54:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2005 18:55:00.0761 (UTC) FILETIME=[31CF3890:01C50BB4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mattias Just wanted to say a big thankyou for your tip. it worked out very well, the whole thing made a combing noise when I pressed it and then it worked just fine. I dont think there is another group in the world that has offered my as much free tech support for my ailing machinery. thanks again my friend yours loopingly ( again) Phill _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 14:05:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15J4Ca00365; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:04:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:04:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:03:26 +0100 From: jan Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <9D655DE2-77A8-11D9-BA26-003065A8A526@igmbergen.no> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed References: <30.6b8e49db.2f366c3c@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j15J3XS32541 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i loop it ; ) På 5. feb. 2005 kl. 19.40 skrev Kevin Harrison: > i echo that...echo that...echo.. > > On Feb 05, 2005, at 18:36, RA336@aol.com wrote: > >> any chance for a mac vst version? >> ...pant... pant... >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> >>> >>> I just wanted to share this link with y'all. >>> >>> The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the >>> plug >>> is >>> >>> called the AngstroLooper. >>> >>> >>> >>> It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a >>> nice, >>> >>> clean ínterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). It's >>> a >>> beta, >>> >>> and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm >> >> > harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 15:06:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15K4cv08488; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:04:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:04:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502052004.j15K4CS08429@hemlock.violacea.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=CXivxGVduFqT67bi7n/AI3V7jsiSbupjaqNS2vuiRtsWItIYi0xDISpnAuNDO8ve; Reply-To: From: "ejyuhas" To: "'Kevin Harrison'" , Subject: RE: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss DD-20 or Akai E2 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:04:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcULuofOdCDl+GrNSUCK4ckjrZ2SnQAAlTRQ In-Reply-To: <0dedcfa6dcdc14cf875629aaf3c1bb22@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc7792c145586907c726b36d9ef5ac5d0c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 205.240.43.9 Resent-Message-ID: <3FJ_r.A.-DC.8aSBCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kevin...welcome! I have an RC-20, a DD-20 AND a DL4 in my rig currently. And while they are all excellent in their individual rights, I cannot get them to "synch" properly at any given time. Although the RC-20 will allow for quantizing of its loops. Lately, I have been using them like this: Lay down some delayed ambience in the DL4, then use the record mode on the DD-20 to produce a useable chord progression, or timed noodlings. Then I switch over to the first "saved" patch on the DD-20 and solo over and along with what I've layed down. This process has allowed for some monstrous "walls of sound". :) The RC-20 is there for "stored" loops, and I haven't used it much these days. It IS a fine looper, though. So for someone getting into it, any of the three will yield great results and hours of fun. I am considering getting a Repeater, to help with my laptopping...but this, I'm afraid comes with a bit of a learning curve. Good, though to be challenged!!! Peace. Ed in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Harrison [mailto:harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 10:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss DD-20 or Akai E2 anybody got anything to add re; DD-20 or the Akai E2 Headrush, any users out there with pertinent comments on either of these. I think what I'm looking for is something to emulate frippertronics delay rather than a 'vanilla' looper. thanks to everyone who replied to my previous message, I'm new to loopers delight and have only just started browsing the archives. Kevin harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 15:10:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15K9GC09474; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:09:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:09:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502052008.j15K8nS09412@hemlock.violacea.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=S7ZJmbcOt6odnLnHUIl09a6cZpKpNvtEhNUzOB/QS1xdsWG2QjEBWkyr6v+yFGcZ; Reply-To: From: "ejyuhas" To: "'Andreas Wetterberg'" , "'Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight. Com'" Subject: RE: Yet another new free VST looper/Native Instruments Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:08:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C50B94.9726E0A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcULuofStk4Ii6/OSqiOB8+awRtOJAAA4Uxg In-Reply-To: <000701c50bac$193ee580$0200000a@ANDREAS> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc188108e9bdec86cf083123e01b9c5774350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 205.240.43.9 Resent-Message-ID: <1PMui.A.VTC.RfSBCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C50B94.9726E0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Andreas, I see you mentioned Absynth 3. This is part of the Native Instruments line? How do you like it? The NI products are something I have started looking into for laptop looping, etc. Who else on the list is using them? I am really most interested in the percussion looping aspect of laptops. I would be pursuing drums and percussion of the world beat variety, with some kit loops involved, too. Thanks fellow loopists! Ed in NJ ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C50B94.9726E0A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Hello = Andreas,

 

I see you mentioned Absynth 3. This = is part of the Native Instruments line? How do you like = it?

The NI products are something I = have started looking into for laptop looping, = etc.

 

Who else on the list is using them? = I am really most interested in the percussion looping aspect of = laptops.

I would be pursuing drums and = percussion of the world beat variety, with some kit loops involved, = too.

 

Thanks fellow = loopists!

 

 

Ed in = NJ

------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C50B94.9726E0A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 15:40:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15KdI013525; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:39:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:39:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andreas Wetterberg" To: Subject: RE: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:37:46 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c50bc2$8cc9bf00$0200000a@ANDREAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <30.6b8e49db.2f366c3c@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j15KbmS13318 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't the foggiest. I can only recommend that you keep watching that page until there's an e-mail link on there... Anyway, it's just a beta, hopefully he still has some development energy left in him. BTW; I seem to remember a group of people on the internet, who ported vsts requested by users. If you can track them down... Best, A. -----Original Message----- From: RA336@aol.com [mailto:RA336@aol.com] Sent: 5. februar 2005 19:37 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper any chance for a mac vst version? ...pant... pant... >Hi all, > > > >I just wanted to share this link with y'all. > >The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the >plug is > >called the AngstroLooper. > > > >It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, > >clean ínterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a >beta, > >and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. > > > >http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 15:59:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15KxHN16356; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:59:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:59:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200502052008.j15K8nS09412@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502052008.j15K8nS09412@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:52:44 -0800 To: , "'Andreas Wetterberg'" , "'Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight. Com'" From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Yet another new free VST looper/Native Instruments Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1104485369==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <8cl8MD.A.u-D.SOTBCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1104485369==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 3:08 PM -0500 2/5/05, ejyuhas wrote: >Hello Andreas, > >I see you mentioned Absynth 3. This is part of the Native >Instruments line? How do you like it? Here's my review of Abysnth 3: http://www.audiomidi.com/aboutus/reviews/zvonar_absynth.cfm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1104485369==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: Yet another new free VST looper/Native Instruments
At 3:08 PM -0500 2/5/05, ejyuhas wrote:
Hello Andreas,
 
I see you mentioned Absynth 3. This is part of the Native Instruments line? How do you like it?

Here's my review of Abysnth 3:

http://www.audiomidi.com/aboutus/reviews/zvonar_absynth.cfm
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Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com
--============_-1104485369==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 17:22:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15MK9627957; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:20:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:20:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:18:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Looping mentions in the music press From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12d.556eca9c.2f365a2d@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3190457899_5347597" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3190457899_5347597 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I saw Nels play with Mike Watt and Steven Perkins (they called the group Banyan Tree) at Knitting Factory LA in 2001=8Bsmokin=B9. I talked with Nels a bit after the show and you=B9re right, he=B9s a great guy=8Bvery approachable. An= d an unbelievable player. Speaking of which, Steve Lawson and Michael Manring just graced my new hometown with a show last week. Imagine rain so hard it was a sonic factor, a room with a creek running through it, and 3 sets of awesome bass playing. Whew. It=B9s a good life. D --=20 ghost7 http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 on 2/5/05 9:19 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com at ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Yep, >=20 > In a message dated 02/05/05 7:52:40, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: >=20 > And the new issue of Guitar Player (March 2005) has Nels Cline, noted > patron of the EH 16 on the cover >=20 > And I can say I knew him when. Heheheh. >=20 > Nels is EXACTLY the humble and generous guy AND the talented, creative > and blazing musician described in the article. He used to perform in and > organize the "New Music Monday" program at the now defunct Alligator > Lounge in Santa Monica, CA some years back -- when I still lived in SoCal= . >=20 > I've seen him play scads of times and always had to pick my jaw and > eye-balls up off the floor every time. I've played on that same stage a > few times myself and he was always very generous and encouraging > at the bar afterwards. >=20 > There is an expression: "It couldn't happen to a nicer guy." Well, in > this one case it happens to be true. He also gives hope to us "older" > players that dispels the thought that if you haven't made your "mark" > by the time you're twentysomething you should just give up. He didn't > and look where he is now. >=20 > That is soooooo cool. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > tEd =AE kiLLiAn >=20 > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" >=20 > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 >=20 > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? >=20 > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." >=20 --B_3190457899_5347597 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Looping mentions in the music press I saw Nels play with Mike Watt and Steven Perkins (the= y called the group Banyan Tree) at Knitting Factory LA in 2001—smokin&= #8217;. I talked with Nels a bit after the show and you’re right, he&#= 8217;s a great guy—very approachable. And an unbelievable player.

Speaking of which, Steve Lawson and Michael Manring just graced my new home= town with a show last week. Imagine rain so hard it was a sonic factor, a ro= om with a creek running through it, and 3 sets of awesome bass playing.

Whew. It’s a good life.


D


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ghost7
http://www.envelopeproductions.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7




on 2/5/05 9:19 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com at ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

Yep,

In a message dated 02/05/05 7:52:40, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes:

And the new issue of Guitar Player (March 2005) has N= els Cline, noted
patron of the EH 16 on the cover

And I can say I knew him when. Heheheh.

Nels is EXACTLY the humble and generous guy AND the talented, creative
and blazing musician described in the article. He used to perform in and organize the "New Music Monday" program at the now defunct Alliga= tor
Lounge in Santa Monica, CA some years back -- when I still lived in SoCal. =

I've seen him play scads of times and always had to pick my jaw and
eye-balls up off the floor every time. I've played on that same stage a
few times myself and he was always very generous and encouraging
at the bar afterwards.

There is an expression: "It couldn't happen to a nicer guy." Well= , in
this one case it happens to be true. He also gives hope to us "older&q= uot;
players that dispels the thought that if you haven't made your "mark&q= uot;
by the time you're twentysomething you should just give up. He didn't
and look where he is now.

That is soooooo cool.

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<= BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<= BR> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.&qu= ot;


 --B_3190457899_5347597-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 17:53:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15MqLm31674; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:52:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:52:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <9D655DE2-77A8-11D9-BA26-003065A8A526@igmbergen.no> References: <30.6b8e49db.2f366c3c@aol.com> <9D655DE2-77A8-11D9-BA26-003065A8A526@igmbergen.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:51:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j15MpvS31609 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't. 'cause I want an AU version! ;-) On Feb 5, 2005, at 20:03, jan wrote: > i loop it ; ) > På 5. feb. 2005 kl. 19.40 skrev Kevin Harrison: > >> i echo that...echo that...echo.. >> >> On Feb 05, 2005, at 18:36, RA336@aol.com wrote: >> >>> any chance for a mac vst version? >>> ...pant... pant... >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just wanted to share this link with y'all. >>>> >>>> The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and >>>> the plug >>>> is >>>> >>>> called the AngstroLooper. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a >>>> nice, >>>> >>>> clean ínterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). >>>> It's a >>>> beta, >>>> >>>> and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 18:28:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15NQWu03696; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:26:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:26:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c50bda$0455b8f0$0707a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <000701c50bac$193ee580$0200000a@ANDREAS> Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:25:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C50BDA.0396FCD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C50BDA.0396FCD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageWhat apps use VST plugins, then? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andreas Wetterberg=20 To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight. Com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 17:57 PM Subject: Yet another new free VST looper Hi all, I just wanted to share this link with y'all. The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the = plug is called the AngstroLooper. It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a = nice, clean =EDnterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). = It's a beta, and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm I've used it to do some very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and = Absynth 3 combined, truly stellar. Andreas. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C50BDA.0396FCD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
What apps use VST plugins, then?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andreas Wetterberg =
To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight.=20 Com
Sent: Saturday, February 05, = 2005 17:57=20 PM
Subject: Yet another new free = VST=20 looper

Hi=20 all,
 
I = just wanted to=20 share this link with y'all.
The = plugin is by a=20 guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the plug is called the=20 AngstroLooper.
 
It's = really good,=20 it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, clean = =EDnterface with all=20 the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a beta, and i reckon it = promises a=20 lot of good things.
 
http://plugins.timeshard.= com/index.htm
 
I've = used it to do=20 some very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and Absynth 3 = combined,=20 truly stellar.
 
Andreas.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C50BDA.0396FCD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 18:30:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15NTXh04519; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:29:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:29:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: "Loopers" Subject: EDP LoopTrig question Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:32:32 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a EDP LoopTrig question: When I do a long press of the DirectMidi LoopTrig the targeted loop gets deleted. I couldn't find that behaviour described in the manual. Thank you Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 18:41:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15NdXm05839; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:39:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:39:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:37:59 -0800 Subject: Nels Cline redux From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3190462679_95446_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3190462679_95446_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dan S writ: I saw Nels play with Mike Watt and Steven Perkins (they called the group Banyan Tree) at Knitting Factory LA in 2001=8Bsmokin=B9. I talked with Nels a bit after the show and you=B9re right, he=B9s a great guy=8Bvery approachable. An= d an unbelievable player. ... Whew. It=B9s a good life. D i saw here in sanfransiski last month<>-always try to catch Nels in any combo he's workin in-What A Monster Guitarrorist-i try talkin t= o him each time--we talk EH16DDL--havent heard what his thoughts on the "reissue" are yet--would love to hear tho cause i'm pretty sure he would sa= y something like 'he has no use for this new box-not really a reissue...' wha= t he does best w/ the old one is just capture guitar phrases and scramble, mutilate, mutate and make it sound cool...something that new fangled EH box don't really do. ston (great new live in the studio on Sanctuary 'live @ perkins place' w/ the Great Mike Watt!) --MS_Mac_OE_3190462679_95446_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Nels Cline redux Dan S writ:
I saw Nels play with Mike Watt and Steven Perkins (they called = the group Banyan Tree) at Knitting Factory LA in 2001=8Bsmokin=B9. I talked with= Nels a bit after the show and you=B9re right, he=B9s a great guy=8Bvery approacha= ble. And an unbelievable player.
...
Whew. It=B9s a good life.
D


i saw <BANYAN> here in sanfransiski last month<<HOTT>>-al= ways try to catch Nels in any combo he's workin in-What A Monster Guitarrori= st-i try talkin to him each time--we talk EH16DDL--havent heard what his tho= ughts on the "reissue" are yet--would love to hear tho cause i'm p= retty sure he would say something like 'he has no use for this new box-not r= eally a reissue...' what he does best w/ the old one is just capture guitar = phrases and scramble, mutilate, mutate and make it sound cool...something th= at new fangled EH box don't really do.
ston
(great new <BANYAN> live in the studio on Sanctuary 'live @ perkins p= lace' w/ the Great  Mike Watt!) --MS_Mac_OE_3190462679_95446_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 18:51:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15NoaH07079; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:50:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:50:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andreas Wetterberg" To: Subject: RE: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:49:21 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c50bdd$50e0e0c0$0200000a@ANDREAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C50BE5.B2A548C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006301c50bda$0455b8f0$0707a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C50BE5.B2A548C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All the big DAWs on pc. Also Ableton Live, plogue Bidule, Energy XT and so on. =20 a. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]=20 Sent: 6. februar 2005 00:26 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper What apps use VST plugins, then? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andreas Wetterberg =20 To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight. Com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 17:57 PM Subject: Yet another new free VST looper Hi all, =20 I just wanted to share this link with y'all. The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the plug is called the AngstroLooper. =20 It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, clean =EDnterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a beta, and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. =20 http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm =20 I've used it to do some very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and Absynth 3 combined, truly stellar. =20 Andreas. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C50BE5.B2A548C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
All=20 the big DAWs on pc. Also Ableton Live, plogue Bidule, Energy XT and so=20 on.
 
a.
-----Original Message-----
From: = Stephen Goodman=20 [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
Sent: 6. februar 2005=20 00:26
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Yet another new free VST looper

What apps use VST plugins, then?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andreas Wetterberg =
To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight.=20 Com
Sent: Saturday, February 05, = 2005 17:57=20 PM
Subject: Yet another new free = VST=20 looper

Hi = all,
 
I = just wanted to=20 share this link with y'all.
The plugin is by=20 a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the plug is called = the=20 AngstroLooper.
 
It's really=20 good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, clean = =EDnterface=20 with all the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a beta, and i = reckon it=20 promises a lot of good things.
 
 
I've used it to=20 do some very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and Absynth 3 = combined, truly stellar.
 
Andreas.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C50BE5.B2A548C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 18:53:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15NqAp07484; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:52:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:52:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a501c50bdd$ae641640$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Reply-To: "Steve Lawson" From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: Subject: Re: Looping mentions in the music press Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:51:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Speaking of which, Steve Lawson and Michael Manring just graced my new hometown with a show last week. Imagine rain so hard it was a sonic factor, a room with a creek running through it, and 3 sets of awesome bass playing. Whew. It¹s a good life.<<< Dan, great to meet you - really glad you enjoyed the gig! :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 19:28:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j160QjD12186; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:26:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:26:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:21:02 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss DD-20 or Akai E2 To: Kevin Harrison , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b001c50be2$8bcb5440$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0dedcfa6dcdc14cf875629aaf3c1bb22@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I vote for the DD-20 - I got two of 'em! You might even consider two for the price yourself. (I'm just giddy over them.) The reproduction is very hi-fi, and you can add/subtract treble with a tone control. Lots of in and out jacks for stereo options, and possibly an "effects loop" scenario, though I haven't gotten to playing incestuously with its output yet. Some cool effects like pitch wobble, "Warp" and "Twist" (tho' I haven't tried these yet in the DD-20, they were fun in small doses in the DD-6). I use the DD-20 precisely for Fripp 'n' Eno quasi-Revox delay stuff as well as lots of other applications. Set the DD-20 for maximum feedback, then hit the "off" pedal, and it will recycle your loop endlessly while you play over it (if that gets you off - very much in the spirit of Robert Fripp on the Small Mobile Intelligent tour of the late 70s). I had the Headrush for several years and now that I have two DD-20s, I find the DD-20 to be so far superior in sound quality and features it's almost funny. I seem to remember the DL-4 having some issues around how the delay would end when you turned it off - it would kinda fizzle out after one or two reps. The DD-20 (as mentioned) will "honor it's level of feedback" when turned off, so you can do the deep space meditation as the loop s-l-o-w-l-y fades into infinity. Also, the DD-20 can be set to very precise lengths of delay, with the backlit LCD displaying either time in milliseconds/fractions of seconds or as a note value based on a specific beats-per-minute value. I don't think the DL-4 does that. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Harrison" To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss DD-20 or Akai E2 > anybody got anything to add re; DD-20 or the Akai E2 Headrush, any > users out there with pertinent comments on either of these. I think > what I'm looking for is something to emulate frippertronics delay > rather than a 'vanilla' looper. > > thanks to everyone who replied to my previous message, I'm new to > loopers delight and have only just started browsing the archives. > > Kevin > > harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 19:39:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j160cxF13791; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:38:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:38:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b401c50b7f$ba1c5be0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents cheryl o and friends Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:39:25 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ THE TEQUILA LOUNGE http://www.tequilalounge.ca - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Wednesday February 9th - cheryl o and friends Ambient, experimental, looping cellist cheryl o returns for a night of improvisations with some cool musical friends, including the innovative Rob Piilonen with his extended flute techniques and treatments, the very funky Jen Gillmor on kamel n'goni and bass guitar, and the versatile and zany Michael Keith on guitar and sundry sonic doodads. This is a recipe for some very potent musical jambalaya! cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Jen Gillmor - http://www.svdesign.ca/Sound-Intro.html Michael Keith - http://www.michaelkeith.com Between Sets CD - "Truth & Beauty: The Lost Pieces 2" Each week in February we'll be featuring a CD in Steve Roach's "The Lost Pieces" series, leading to his newest release "TLP4". "Truth & Beauty: TLP2" offers a wide variety of Roach's haunting soundworks created between 1992 and 1996. http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming February 16th - Hypnotech 3 and Tobas Mong http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/hypnotech3.htm http://www.synthetictechnologies.com with Bleep Visuals. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||:IN THE LOOP:|| "Out of the Shadows: Kathode and Odradek" THE AMBiENT PiNG celebrated Wiararton Willie's prediction of an early spring with an evening of experimental music performances at the T.Lounge on Wednesday, February 2, 2005. Readers might remember SPROG's Ambient-TV concert from last week. This time around, PiNG-goers experienced another kind of TV show: Kathode (Tomasz Krakowiak) started the evening off with the sounds of a "pure cathode ray tube run through a bowl of cables". Using a closed cycle of audio- frequencies-generating-TV-frequencies-generating-audio- frequencies..., Kathode landed onstage with the sound of beating helicopter blades from a black & white television set. The sense of anticipation kindled by this dramatic opening was rewarded later in the show as Kathode incorporated some remote control antics into the mix by continuing his set from the bar. A little while later, Kathode wrapped things up with another signal change and a final flick of the TV's remote control. Odradek (James Bailey, Michelangelo Iaffaldano and Andy Yue) picked up on the playful tone of Kathode's performance with an improvised series of free form pieces. Intrigued by the trio's name, I discovered its origin: a story fragment by Franz Kafka. Like Kafka's titular subject, Odradek's music was, at times, cartoon-like in its playfulness, while undercurrents of longing created steadily building streams of tension. Even as shimmering waves of high pitched bleeps melted into quiet murmurs, this set's sonic turmoil lingered. Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews The debut release by quasiMODAL is a prime example of both the talent and the collaborative nature of the music scene that's developed around Toronto's AMBiENT PiNG. Featuring cheryl o on cello, treatments & loops, Steven Sauve (of karmafarm and of Sylken) on synth, piano & loops, Michael Keith (half of MCF) on guitar, banjo, vocal stylings & more, and Matthew Poulakakis (aka Automatic Fats) on piano, bass, guitar etc., it's a veritable who's who of local ambient/improvisational artists! Showcasing a collection of pieces recorded at a variety of sessions, including a performance last year at THE AMBiENT PiNG, this disc captures the sound of four brilliant talents perfectly aligned with each other in the spirit of creation. "Mr K Dreams the Truth" opens the disc with a duel of cello and guitar, spurred on by piano and bass. An improvisational tour de force highlighting the various talents assembled. Track two "Left of Spring" features a similar frenetic energy, albeit more focussed, more directed towards the idea of spinning a tale, weaving a yarn. Building to an inspired ending reflecting intensity and madness, "Left of Spring" is a fantastic piece of aural story telling. "Luminal" plays along a more delicate path, a beautiful piece bringing to mind the calm untroubled flight of a butterfly, wind both aiding and hindering it's journey through the sky. Some very nice bass work in this one, very sublime playing. The amusingly titled "New Adventures With Buzz & Klik" is a brilliant example of processed loops, feedback & remodelled sounds all brought together in a seemingly random pattern that slowly builds into a form of reason and purpose. A beautiful piano melody dances along the edges of the track while drones rise and fall, buzzes whirr and click, and a thousand (or maybe only just one) other tones compete for your attention. What an incredible track! Now. Let us turn our attention to "In the Guinea Pig Cage". It opens with Michael's vocals backed by a slow build of piano, cello and more all rising towards a frenetic and fantastic swell that ebbs and flows for a spell before gradually calming and breaking into segments showcasing each member of the ensemble. I think this piece might well be the quintESENTIAL (quintiMODAL?) track, truly highlighting the ability of these artists to work together as a group and as individuals within that group. Truly a testimony to the skill and musicality of its collected members. Without doubt, quasiMODAL is something special, something worth discovering for yourself. If you've been lucky enough to see one of their performances then surely you already know what I'm talking about. If you haven't, then this disc is a great introduction to their work, sure to make you a fan. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, Wednesday evenings at The Tequila Lounge - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 19:53:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j160qK615935; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:52:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:52:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019801c50be6$092c50d0$0707a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <000401c50bdd$50e0e0c0$0200000a@ANDREAS> Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:51:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0193_01C50BE6.087731A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0193_01C50BE6.087731A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageWhat's a DAW? All the big DAWs on pc. Also Ableton Live, plogue Bidule, Energy XT = and so on. a. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]=20 Sent: 6. februar 2005 00:26 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper What apps use VST plugins, then? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andreas Wetterberg=20 To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight. Com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 17:57 PM Subject: Yet another new free VST looper Hi all, I just wanted to share this link with y'all. The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and = the plug is called the AngstroLooper. It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a = nice, clean =EDnterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). = It's a beta, and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm I've used it to do some very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and = Absynth 3 combined, truly stellar. Andreas. ------=_NextPart_000_0193_01C50BE6.087731A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
What's a DAW?
All=20 the big DAWs on pc. Also Ableton Live, plogue Bidule, Energy XT and so = on.
 
a.
-----Original Message-----
From: = Stephen=20 Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
Sent: 6. = februar 2005=20 00:26
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: Yet another new free VST looper

What apps use VST plugins, then?
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Andreas = Wetterberg
To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight.=20 Com
Sent: Saturday, February = 05, 2005=20 17:57 PM
Subject: Yet another new = free VST=20 looper

Hi=20 all,
 
I just wanted=20 to share this link with y'all.
The plugin is=20 by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the plug is = called the=20 AngstroLooper.
 
It's really=20 good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, clean=20 =EDnterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a = beta, and=20 i reckon it promises a lot of good things.
 
http://plugins.timeshard.= com/index.htm
 
I've used it=20 to do some very quick loops using a Roland = SH-2 and Absynth 3=20 combined, truly stellar.
 
Andreas.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0193_01C50BE6.087731A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 20:05:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1614Vk17470; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:04:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:04:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:05:20 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c50be7$ee555d90$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <019801c50be6$092c50d0$0707a8c0@eluk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j16140S17409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com from acronymfinder.com: Data Accumulation Worksheet Data Address Word Digital Audio Workstation Dispense As Written (medical prescriptions) Division for the Advancement of Women (United Nations) Dockable Agent Workstation (insurance) Donald A Wollheim (founder of DAW books) Dry Active Waste I'm a little bit scared about the divisions for the advancement of women and the dry active waste in my pcs. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Februar 2005 01:52 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Yet another new free VST looper What's a DAW? All the big DAWs on pc. Also Ableton Live, plogue Bidule, Energy XT and so on. a. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: 6. februar 2005 00:26 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper What apps use VST plugins, then? ----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Wetterberg To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight. Com Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 17:57 PM Subject: Yet another new free VST looper Hi all, I just wanted to share this link with y'all. The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the plug is called the AngstroLooper. It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, clean ínterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a beta, and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm I've used it to do some very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and Absynth 3 combined, truly stellar. Andreas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 20:19:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j161Ipg19084; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:18:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:18:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050206011815.76919.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:18:15 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <019801c50be6$092c50d0$0707a8c0@eluk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7TXaN.A.bpE.cBXBCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think he means Digital Audio Workstation. You know, the kind where all the big ones like Logic, Digital Performer and Protools aren't written for the Macintosh platform. Mark --- Stephen Goodman wrote: > MessageWhat's a DAW? > All the big DAWs on pc. Also Ableton Live, plogue > Bidule, Energy XT and so on. > > a. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Goodman > [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] > Sent: 6. februar 2005 00:26 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper > > > What apps use VST plugins, then? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andreas Wetterberg > To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight. Com > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 17:57 PM > Subject: Yet another new free VST looper > > > Hi all, > > I just wanted to share this link with y'all. > The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum > called Angstrom, and the plug is called the > AngstroLooper. > > It's really good, it does both stereo and mono > (yay) and it has a nice, clean ínterface with all > the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a beta, > and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. > > http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm > > I've used it to do some very quick loops using > a Roland SH-2 and Absynth 3 combined, truly stellar. > > Andreas. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 20:28:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j161RwD20094; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:27:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:27:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <019801c50be6$092c50d0$0707a8c0@eluk> References: <000401c50bdd$50e0e0c0$0200000a@ANDREAS> <019801c50be6$092c50d0$0707a8c0@eluk> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:24:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <04L9i.A.p5E.NKXBCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:51 AM +0000 2/6/05, Stephen Goodman wrote: >What's a DAW? Digital Audio Workstation. The term used to be reserved for integrated systems such as the Waveframe, but now it's a generic term for any combination of computer, audio interface, and audio software. Examples: Pro Tools (which requires its own proprietary hardware), Digital Performer, Nuendo, Logic (which can work with a variety of hardware). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 20:59:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j161vrY23292; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:57:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:57:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:57:25 +0100 From: Jan A Johnsen Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j161vUS23254 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, that goes without saying ; ) On 05-02-05 23:51, "Per Boysen" wrote: > I don't. 'cause I want an AU version! ;-) > > On Feb 5, 2005, at 20:03, jan wrote: > >> i loop it ; ) >> På 5. feb. 2005 kl. 19.40 skrev Kevin Harrison: >> >>> i echo that...echo that...echo.. >>> >>> On Feb 05, 2005, at 18:36, RA336@aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> any chance for a mac vst version? >>>> ...pant... pant... >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just wanted to share this link with y'all. >>>>> >>>>> The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and >>>>> the plug >>>>> is >>>>> >>>>> called the AngstroLooper. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a >>>>> nice, >>>>> >>>>> clean ínterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). >>>>> It's a >>>>> beta, >>>>> >>>>> and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 5 21:26:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j162Owd26873; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:24:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:24:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <3E43047D-77E6-11D9-9302-003065635BE0@erdbeerhund.com> From: Danilo Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Z=FCrich_Loopfest_2005?= Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:24:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j162OdS26757 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bernhard, Yeah, I would like to play with my band MISSIS RAINTOWN. ( http://www.missisraintown.com ). Let me know more about it please. You can contact us via the contact link of our website. Danilo Am 31.01.2005 um 13:39 schrieb Bernhard Wagner: > Dear Fellow Loop Infested > > I was fortunate enough in 2004 to play at several of the wonderful > loopfests > organized by members of this list and would like to propose a > loopfestival > in Zürich 2005. I'm aiming at 2nd half of August. > > Please let me know if you are interested in performing or organizing a > loopfest yourself around that time in order to avoid collisions. > > Details to follow > > Bernhard > http://looop.biz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 04:08:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16977T14988; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:07:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:07:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.211.203.118] X-Originating-Email: [gringo5150@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gringo5150@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Clint Eastwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Kitundu, sound artist, weird instruments Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:05:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2005 09:06:00.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[13C56DC0:01C50C2B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello loopers, a couple of days ago I received this link http://www.cpcarts.org/kitundu/instruments.html there's a musician/artist with his weird instruments...its worth to have a look (hope it's something new and not already seen) bye m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 06:07:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16B72J02143; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:07:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:07:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:07:09 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c50c3c$01263760$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050206011815.76919.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j16B5pS02015 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I care to oppugn. Emagic (maker of Logic) has been bought by Apple and thus, Logic is now for the Mac only! It's just a great thing that Yamaha doesn't make non-PCs. Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Februar 2005 02:18 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Yet another new free VST looper I think he means Digital Audio Workstation. You know, the kind where all the big ones like Logic, Digital Performer and Protools aren't written for the Macintosh platform. Mark --- Stephen Goodman wrote: > MessageWhat's a DAW? > All the big DAWs on pc. Also Ableton Live, plogue > Bidule, Energy XT and so on. > > a. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Goodman > [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] > Sent: 6. februar 2005 00:26 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper > > > What apps use VST plugins, then? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andreas Wetterberg > To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight. Com > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 17:57 PM > Subject: Yet another new free VST looper > > > Hi all, > > I just wanted to share this link with y'all. > The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum > called Angstrom, and the plug is called the > AngstroLooper. > > It's really good, it does both stereo and mono > (yay) and it has a nice, clean ínterface with all > the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a beta, > and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. > > http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm > > I've used it to do some very quick loops using > a Roland SH-2 and Absynth 3 combined, truly stellar. > > Andreas. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 07:05:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16C39Z06987; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:03:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:03:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050206115056.02b85d40@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:01:03 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #72 In-Reply-To: <200502060053.j160r1F16055@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502060053.j160r1F16055@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5uI6IB.A.EsB.MdgBCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bernhard >I have a EDP LoopTrig question: >When I do a long press of the DirectMidi LoopTrig the targeted loop gets >deleted. I couldn't find that behaviour described in the manual. > >Thank you >Bernhard I couldn't find it either. ..but essentially the LoopTrig is working the same way as Record here, and so LongPressLoopTrig resets the loop. When SamplerStyle=Att, the behaviour is different; the loop only plays for as long as you hold down the LoopTrig, so in this case there's no longpress to erase the loop. ...Does this mean you bought a midi-controller? :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 07:25:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16CN4P08830; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:23:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:23:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c50c46$873a8310$0707a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20050206011815.76919.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:22:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does that mean that if you took a PC with CoolEdit/Audition on it and called it a DAW you could charge insane prices for it, like an Avid system? | I think he means Digital Audio Workstation. You know, | the kind where all the big ones like Logic, Digital | Performer and Protools aren't written for the | Macintosh platform. | | Mark | | --- Stephen Goodman wrote: | | > MessageWhat's a DAW? | > All the big DAWs on pc. Also Ableton Live, plogue | > Bidule, Energy XT and so on. | > | > a. | > -----Original Message----- | > From: Stephen Goodman | > [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] | > Sent: 6. februar 2005 00:26 | > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | > Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper | > | > | > What apps use VST plugins, then? | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: Andreas Wetterberg | > To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight. Com | > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 17:57 PM | > Subject: Yet another new free VST looper | > | > | > Hi all, | > | > I just wanted to share this link with y'all. | > The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum | > called Angstrom, and the plug is called the | > AngstroLooper. | > | > It's really good, it does both stereo and mono | > (yay) and it has a nice, clean ínterface with all | > the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a beta, | > and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. | > | > http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm | > | > I've used it to do some very quick loops using | > a Roland SH-2 and Absynth 3 combined, truly stellar. | > | > Andreas. | > | > | | | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 07:25:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16CNVf08847; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:23:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:23:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c50c46$7072e870$0707a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <000201c50be7$ee555d90$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:21:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In context of this thread that is. Deliberately Acronymic Wanking? | from acronymfinder.com: | Data Accumulation Worksheet | Data Address Word | Digital Audio Workstation | Dispense As Written (medical prescriptions) | Division for the Advancement of Women (United Nations) | Dockable Agent Workstation (insurance) | Donald A Wollheim (founder of DAW books) | Dry Active Waste | | I'm a little bit scared about the divisions for the advancement of women | and the dry active waste in my pcs. | | -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- | Von: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] | Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Februar 2005 01:52 | An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Betreff: Re: Yet another new free VST looper | | | What's a DAW? | All the big DAWs on pc. Also Ableton Live, plogue Bidule, Energy XT and | so on. | | a. | -----Original Message----- | From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] | Sent: 6. februar 2005 00:26 | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper | | | What apps use VST plugins, then? | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Andreas Wetterberg | To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight. Com | Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 17:57 PM | Subject: Yet another new free VST looper | | | Hi all, | | I just wanted to share this link with y'all. | The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the | plug is called the AngstroLooper. | | It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, | clean ínterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a | beta, and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. | | http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm | | I've used it to do some very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and Absynth | 3 combined, truly stellar. | | Andreas. | | | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 07:48:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16CkH411196; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:46:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:46:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050206011815.76919.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050206011815.76919.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <63ba769b1d6bae5e654028ad089f00a8@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:45:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 6, 2005, at 2:18, mark sottilaro wrote: > I think he means Digital Audio Workstation. You know, > the kind where all the big ones like Logic, Digital > Performer and Protools aren't written for the > Macintosh platform. Oops, you must be joking, Mark! DAW's were originally Mac only. The first DAW available for a Windows based computer was "Session 8", as I recall. A "DAW" is multi channel, a opposed to a "sample editor" like cool edit, peak, sound forge etc. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 09:58:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16Evpa27200; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:57:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:57:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.43] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Smallest Midi Pedal Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:56:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2005 14:57:00.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C85C320:01C50C5C] Resent-Message-ID: <6httzB.A.-nG.DBjBCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there all Ive just enjoyed a great weekend of EDP looping now that Mathias helped me stop that noise. I have also just about finished my homebrewed edp footpedal (its in beta testing hehe) however never one to rest on my laurals I have started to think of the lovley Sus comands that I am now missing. so here is my question to you all WHAT IS THE SMALLEST MIDI CONTROL YOU CAN BUY??? I figure I need between four and eight buttons that can send one midi comand per button. i dont need banks or anyhting like that if its easier without. would like SUS-Ovdub, Sus-Rec, Reverse, Half-Speed. I could probably double that if there were the buttons but i dont mind. I was thinking of something about the size of a Line six box ?? does it exist? Phill _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 10:20:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16FK1r30210; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:20:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:20:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502061519.j16FJOS30142@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Smallest Midi Pedal Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:20:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcUMXECVCu6l4XCZQ/qmnLl+qPyAkQAAwSlA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about some more do it yourself http://www.ucapps.de/floorboard.html -----Original Message----- From: phill wilson [mailto:blackface@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 9:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Smallest Midi Pedal Hey there all Ive just enjoyed a great weekend of EDP looping now that Mathias helped me stop that noise. I have also just about finished my homebrewed edp footpedal (its in beta testing hehe) however never one to rest on my laurals I have started to think of the lovley Sus comands that I am now missing. so here is my question to you all WHAT IS THE SMALLEST MIDI CONTROL YOU CAN BUY??? I figure I need between four and eight buttons that can send one midi comand per button. i dont need banks or anyhting like that if its easier without. would like SUS-Ovdub, Sus-Rec, Reverse, Half-Speed. I could probably double that if there were the buttons but i dont mind. I was thinking of something about the size of a Line six box ?? does it exist? Phill _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 10:23:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16FM8k30589; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:22:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:22:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=xY42ny5U131ofDEMeX+xX2B8iitKbw3LiNCsQAZ9qtQU0Hx9aYxFYxB2dfe+08b3PiaHrRnMSXK1w9O2Z9mmrKSOQNEdao8tGg+VSAJGigsppx2SQaKMQq7jV1vVU1vZzwODEeoo11tD3oxVibgZ7NEa3NfUeG2vSMEleQTGZqI= ; Message-ID: <20050206152140.52917.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:21:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: NYC loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120502011621169d0e45@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It doesn't necessarily have to be a gig-type thing; I'd just like to get together with other listmembers for some fun, impromptu loopage, and maybe some tasty beverages. I'll be staying on W.36th, but I don't think the hotel would appreciate me holding a loopfest in the "cozy and well-furnished" room! Ideas? Anyone? -t- --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > I'd love to play but I don't have a venue to play > in... nor the time > to arrange it these days... > > but include me in! > > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:57:37 -0800 (PST), Tim Nelson > wrote: > > I'll be in NYC for a few days at the beginning of > > March (4th-9th) with a fairly open schedule and > an > > abbreviated version of some sorta > instrument>hardware > > looping rig configuration; anyone wanna play? > > > > -t- > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 10:25:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16FNfK31057; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:23:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:23:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ko8cBOaRDxEJkF+DgNsWaFLlKlDtbqwIu3c1bPmZqW87jXzH2BEWbDnmonSVEKJ845uebsIJVh0v650ptA2OqdHPEijWnM5Qw8EoJThniCrP6GhhkqSkPm7S1abh3g8gw2tjjM2nFg1XAtEhLYMLwmPmntemMgIomyNWPruLLZU= Message-ID: <588ce11d0502060722558f8153@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:22:32 -0800 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Smallest Midi Pedal In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Phill, I wonder if you would be able to use the "midifoot" software with your homebrew pedal? I haven't tried it, I just read about it yesterday in the files section of the Yahoo ambiloop group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ambiloop/files/ "------------------------------------------------------ MIDIFOOT v1.0 Pre alpha for Ambiloop community ------------------------------------------------------ It's a simple project, allowing you to control any midi software from pedalboard (connected to PC gameport). Features: 15 programmable buttons Note On/Note Off/CC/Poly Pressure/Program messages Hardware independent presets to share with friends :-) Hide to tray possibility Freeware :-) Limitations: Only one button can be pressed at time There shouldn't be any joysticks in system, except for pedalboard (acting like joystick for the OS). Installation and testing: Run midifoot.exe (skip warnings), choose required midi device from listbox. It could be some synth port or MidiYoke virtual cable. MidiYoke can be downloaded from http://www.midiox.com/myoke.htm Map some buttons and try 'TEST' button. Your destination software/synth must receive midi messages. Now if you have an _analog_ joystick, try to connect it, and tap buttons. (remember to restart midifoot and install joystick driver). Your destanation software must receive midi messages. Now try to press two (or more) joystick buttons at the same time. You should see another 'virtual' button in Midifoot flashing up. Pedalboard If everything seems fine it's time to build a pedalboard. See schematic in pedalboard.gif Resistors could be of any values from 5k to a less than 100k. Diodes - any small signal general purpose (1N4148, 1N914 and so on) Buttons - any buttons of your choice. Resistors could be wired directly on a 15pin male plug. Important! Install a 2-axis 4-button joystick driver before using pedalboard ! ------------------------------------------------------ I successfully tried this system to control CubaseSX transport, Ambiloop (http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/) and KX SBLive! drivers (http://kxproject.com). Works just fine. If you have any ideas, suggestions, bug reports etc. feel free to contact me via e-mail: firewood@mail.ru Diz" On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:56:28 +0000, phill wilson wrote: > Hey there all > > Ive just enjoyed a great weekend of EDP looping now that Mathias helped me > stop that noise. > > I have also just about finished my homebrewed edp footpedal (its in beta > testing hehe) however never one to rest on my laurals I have started to > think of the lovley Sus comands that I am now missing. > > so here is my question to you all > > WHAT IS THE SMALLEST MIDI CONTROL YOU CAN BUY??? > > I figure I need between four and eight buttons that can send one midi comand > per button. i dont need banks or anyhting like that if its easier without. > > would like SUS-Ovdub, Sus-Rec, Reverse, Half-Speed. I could probably double > that if there were the buttons but i dont mind. > > I was thinking of something about the size of a Line six box ?? does it > exist? > > Phill > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 10:43:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16Fgj602323; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:42:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:42:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Smallest Midi Pedal Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:41:54 -0700 Message-ID: <005901c50c62$6250fbd0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 75, in=170, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a related question. I'm discovering that I don't really need a MIDI pedal on the floor, because most of the time when I change programs, it is after I've created a loop, I'm thinking about what I'm going to do next, and I'm not playing the guitar. What would be cool is a table-top style MIDI controller, with a ton of buttons, at least 4 banks of 10 program changes, which I could press with my finger. Or could I use my laptop as a MIDI contoller? A program that had a grid on the screen, where all I had to do is click my mouse on a button, number, or patch name would be cool. Kris -----Original Message----- From: phill wilson [mailto:blackface@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 7:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Smallest Midi Pedal Hey there all Ive just enjoyed a great weekend of EDP looping now that Mathias helped me stop that noise. I have also just about finished my homebrewed edp footpedal (its in beta testing hehe) however never one to rest on my laurals I have started to think of the lovley Sus comands that I am now missing. so here is my question to you all WHAT IS THE SMALLEST MIDI CONTROL YOU CAN BUY??? I figure I need between four and eight buttons that can send one midi comand per button. i dont need banks or anyhting like that if its easier without. would like SUS-Ovdub, Sus-Rec, Reverse, Half-Speed. I could probably double that if there were the buttons but i dont mind. I was thinking of something about the size of a Line six box ?? does it exist? Phill _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 11:58:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16GtM314976; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:55:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:55:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.557d44de.2f37a5c7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:54:31 EST Subject: Re: Kitundu, sound artist, weird instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12d.557d44de.2f37a5c7_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12d.557d44de.2f37a5c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/6/05 4:06:34 AM, gringo5150@hotmail.com writes: > http://www.cpcarts.org/kitundu/instruments.html > he played at y2k4 didn't he?.....a very nice set if i remember correctly.....i had a 158 degree fever at the time --part1_12d.557d44de.2f37a5c7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/6/05 4:06:34 AM, gringo5150@hotmail.com writes:


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he played at y2k4 didn't he?.....a very nice set if i remember correctly....= .i had a 158 degree fever at the time --part1_12d.557d44de.2f37a5c7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 13:48:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16Ikcj30317; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:46:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:46:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050206104114.017848a8@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:46:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Smallest Midi Pedal In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A bit pricey, but axess makes a mini controller, the MFC5 http://www.axess-electronics.com/ At 2005.02.06 06:56 AM, phill wilson wrote: >WHAT IS THE SMALLEST MIDI CONTROL YOU CAN BUY??? > >I figure I need between four and eight buttons that can send one midi >comand per button. i dont need banks or anyhting like that if its easier >without. > >would like SUS-Ovdub, Sus-Rec, Reverse, Half-Speed. I could probably >double that if there were the buttons but i dont mind. > >I was thinking of something about the size of a Line six box ?? does it exist? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 14:07:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16J3dD32679; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:03:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:03:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=kIwh0I8o5eOdx9gGAGP034RwTkerIi+YozSNynIjT7qA3ZNCOK/A2odBX4UefGGsJ0u4jDxlcfHbf3BpfQy8/D5Gp9RlqO1nAQ0Bj8Mm1RZBhFiBSa2wD/6mfF19ny/xLgwIV/H4cJrg/TAixWNIjAn6AK22gpDMKbc0FXIcows= ; Message-ID: <20050206190205.71980.qmail@web50405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:02:05 -0800 (PST) From: Devin Smith Subject: Echoplex w/ midi controller problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1980303229-1107716525=:70939" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1980303229-1107716525=:70939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi everyone, I'm new to the list, so I guess I ought to introduce myself. I'm a multiinstrumentalist who, after years of playing guitar, banjo, mandolin, drums, and a bit of sitar, is most recently delving into the world of sequencing, drum machines, synths, and (of all things) looping. I'm also an avid circuit bender, and have created a number of mangled casios and speak and XXXX's. My latest projects are a circuit bent roland tr-505 with an rca patchbay and switching matrix, and a tape looping device I plan to construct out of a teac A-1200 and 3 or 4 spare playback heads that I've scavenged off of dead machines. I've been messing with delays and filters for years, but since I got my Echoplex (with loop IV), my music has taken so many new directions. It is such a powerful tool, there is so much you can do with it, yet the shear variety of features and configurations makes it challenging sometimes. Anyway, on to my real question--- which is... I recently acquired an Alesis Micron (great little synth), and have aspirations of setting it up as a midi controller for my echoplex. I've had some success doing this, but I'm am unsure of how to set the parameters (specifically the source # setting) to maximize the accessibility of both function controls and loop triggers. Keep in mind this is a 31 key synth, so there is some inherent limitation anyway (although there is an octave switch that makes it simple to scroll through the key values), but despite various tinkerings, it seems that I can only find the loop trigger keys and a few of the functions, while most functions remain innaccessible. The manual says something sort of cryptic about overlapping function values and trigger values, which I thought I understood, but I guess not. In particular, I seem to be able to access only the "MIDI buttons" and not the "Direct MIDI commands" (for those of you with a loop IV manual handy, check out page 44). Also confusing is that one key, when pressed, produces a sort of circuit bent glitch sound that changes unpredictably (sound kinda cool actually, but I don't want to hurt my baby). I've also had some instances of freezing, where the display said some whacky three letter word. Any pointers out there? A little help would be great. -Devin --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --0-1980303229-1107716525=:70939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi everyone,
I'm new to the list, so I guess I ought to introduce myself. I'm a multiinstrumentalist who, after years of playing guitar, banjo, mandolin, drums, and a bit of sitar, is most recently delving into the world of sequencing, drum machines, synths, and (of all things) looping. I'm also an avid circuit bender, and have created a number of mangled casios and speak and XXXX's. My latest projects are a circuit bent roland tr-505 with an rca patchbay and switching matrix, and a tape looping device I plan to construct out of a teac A-1200 and 3 or 4 spare playback heads that I've scavenged off of dead machines.
I've been messing with delays and filters for years, but since I got my Echoplex (with loop IV), my music has taken so many new directions. It is such a powerful tool, there is so much you can do with it, yet the shear variety of features and configurations makes it challenging sometimes.
 
Anyway, on to my real question--- which is...
I recently acquired an Alesis Micron (great little synth), and have aspirations of setting it up as a midi controller for my echoplex. I've had some success doing this, but I'm am unsure of how to set the parameters (specifically the source # setting) to maximize the accessibility of both function controls and loop triggers. Keep in mind this is a 31 key synth, so there is some inherent limitation anyway (although there is an octave switch that makes it simple to scroll through the key values), but despite various tinkerings, it seems that I can only find the loop trigger keys and a few of the functions, while most functions remain innaccessible. The manual says something sort of cryptic about overlapping function values and trigger values, which I thought I understood, but I guess not. In particular, I seem to be able to access only the "MIDI buttons" and not the "Direct MIDI commands" (for those of you with a loop IV manual handy, check out page 44). Also confusing is that one key, when pressed, produces a sort of circuit bent glitch sound that changes unpredictably (sound kinda cool actually, but I don't want to hurt my baby). I've also had some instances of freezing, where the display said some whacky three letter word. Any pointers out there? A little help would be great.
-Devin

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Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --0-1980303229-1107716525=:70939-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 15:57:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16Kv9R19572; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:57:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:57:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <63ba769b1d6bae5e654028ad089f00a8@boysen.se> References: <20050206011815.76919.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> <63ba769b1d6bae5e654028ad089f00a8@boysen.se> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:50:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:45 PM +0100 2/6/05, Per Boysen wrote: > DAW's were originally Mac only. Wrong. The first Digital Audio Workstations were developed as one-off or limited-run systems at research centers such as Bell Labs and various universities during the 1970s and early 1980s. There were no Macs until 1984. The term "workstation" as applied to computer music doesn't seem to have come into vogue until around 1982-83 (at least in my personal experience). Up to that point most computer music was done either in batch systems, using punch cards, or in time-share systems with multiple terminals attached to a central mainframe. The "workstation" concept was based on having a single-user computer with its own storage and audio converters. Some of the first examples I saw were on Sun (UCSD) and Hewlett-Packard (MIT) computers, and later on the NeXT cube with Ariel DSP cards (the IRCAM Signal Processing Workstation, or ISPW). >The first DAW available for a Windows based computer was "Session >8", as I recall. Maybe so, maybe not. When was Session 8 for Windows released? WaveFrame came out in 1987. >A "DAW" is multi channel, a opposed to a "sample editor" like cool >edit, peak, sound forge etc. Also wrong. A digital audio workstation is any single-user computer system dedicated to audio work. It doesn't matter how many "tracks" it has or what the particulars of its HW/SW architecture might be. Note that there was nothing about the workstation concept that married it to a multitrack recording/editing paradigm. In fact, most of the early workstations focused more on digital synthesis and processing (though digital recording and editing was part of the mix from at least the mid-1970s). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 16:51:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16Lnjv30689; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:49:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:49:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Nels Cline redux Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:49:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j16LnOS30591 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 5, 2005, at 5:37 PM, wrote: > (great new live in the studio on Sanctuary 'live @ perkins > place' w/ the Great  Mike Watt!) i have two mike watt stickers on my Leslie: Watt himself and his old "boat". they sit nicely next to the Depeche Mode, MMW, and Bauhaus stickers Mike is definitely one of the greatest bass players in rock history. he needs to stop playing with hippies though, on his solo deals. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 16:52:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16Lppp31404; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:51:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:51:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050206011815.76919.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> <63ba769b1d6bae5e654028ad089f00a8@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <831c7388d47729574f870384a52f9c9e@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:50:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 1:45 PM +0100 2/6/05, Per Boysen wrote: >> The first DAW available for a Windows based computer was "Session 8", >> as I recall. On Feb 6, 2005, at 21:50, Richard Zvonar wrote: > Maybe so, maybe not. When was Session 8 for Windows released? > WaveFrame came out in 1987. Well, I'm afraid the Session 8 didn't come around until 90, 91 or so. But while we're at it, wasn't the the Fairlight and the Synclavier systems introduced by the early eighties? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 17:27:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16MQtN07357; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:26:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:26:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <831c7388d47729574f870384a52f9c9e@boysen.se> References: <20050206011815.76919.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> <63ba769b1d6bae5e654028ad089f00a8@boysen.se> <831c7388d47729574f870384a52f9c9e@boysen.se> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:22:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:50 PM +0100 2/6/05, Per Boysen wrote: >wasn't the the Fairlight and the Synclavier systems introduced by >the early eighties? Fairlight was founded in 1975 and released its first instrument, the Fairlight Computer Musical Instrument (CMI) in 1979. New England Digital was founded in the mid-1970s and released its first instrument, the Synclavier, in 1977. This was based on the Dartmouth Digital Synthesizer, which was designed by Sydney Alonso and Cameron Jones at Dartmouth College in 1976. Jon Appleton was very much involved in the original designs and promotion and was a strong advocate for the Synclavier's performance orientation. I saw him demonstrate it at the AES convention in Los Angeles in 1978. It was quite an improvement over the mainframe systems I'd encountered in university environments! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 17:28:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16MSCY07596; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:28:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:28:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Good week for looping in Santa Cruz Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:27:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As Dan mentioned , Steve Lawson and Michael Manring put on a splendid show at the Brookdale Lodge, a bizarre and beautiful local venue to say the least, and as Dan also mentioned, at a few points in the show the rain pouring on the roof created an amazing ambience. One point in particular when Michael Manring was playing a beautiful long toned textural piece, it was if the environmental sounds were being cued from the mixing board. Steve Lawson played brilliantly, as usual, not to mention being the comic genius that he is, but I must say, as a guitar player, keep playing those otherworldly lead guitar shred tones, Steve, and I will have to kill you.... Michael Manring used no looping at all, (other than his fingers), but he did use long delay regeneration and long reverb very effectively, to give the impression that looping was going on. His sole effect....a Boss VF-1.... He actually was the inspiration for me getting one, when I saw him a few years ago. So much power in that little teeny box. I have only begun to scratch the surface of the VF-1 Later in the Week my brother Rick and I sat in with Tom Greisgraber and Jerry Marotta at the same Brookdale lodge. Tom used a Repeater in his rack on a couple of tunes and was multi-tasking like crazy, juggling not only two parts on his Stick, and a looper, but working a guitar synth and the occasional midi foot pedal triggered synth tones. Wow! Not only is Tom is an incredible player/composer on the stick, who, remarkably, has only been playing a few years, but, Jerry is one of my all time favorite drummers, who has played on some of my favorite music (the Peter Gabriel tunes, San Jacinto, and Red Rain to name a few). It was a complete thrill to play with them. Having not had much chance to learn their music, it was very much a "fly by the seat of the pants" adventure. I brought a minimal assortment of stomp box effects, a couple of DL-4's, and a pair of low wattage tube amps. I also kept my playing very minimal as well, as the music already had plenty going on, mostly volume swelled ambient chords and single note parts, with the occasional solo or melodic part from the Billster, and Kim, don't hate me for this, but I even snuck in some e-bow!! Rick and I had gotten to know Jerry a couple of years back when we opened up for the Tony Levin Band in Santa Cruz on two separate occasions. Not only is he one of the nicest cats I have met, and like Steve Lawson, a comedian trapped in a musicians body, but he showed tremendous trust and generosity in asking us sit in for a whole set. He also gave us a very nice introduction when Rick and I opened the second set, with a short loop improve. Hopefully we will have the opportunity play again together soon, and perhaps do some recording as well. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 17:51:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16MoYg10662; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:50:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:50:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c50c9e$3219e0d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:50:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I"m amazed that in people's discussions of the biggest DAWs that no one has mentioned Steinberg's CUBASE SX. The VST plugin format which seems to becoming a dominant plugin format (certainly in terms of the number available and the number of DAWs and other programs (like fruity loops) that use it was started by Steinberg. I personally am in love with FLStudio (formerly Fruity Loops) which although having a very different gui than the big DAWs can do much of what they can do at a fraction of the cost. It also has a wonderful simple and intuitive drum machine styled interface with a tremendous amount of generated arpeggiation and effects capabilities. My new CD, PURPLE HAND, which I will formerly release on February 27th was done almost entirely with this awesome program (with a lot of sound design help from Cycling 74's Pluggo suite and Max/MSP). It uses VST plugins (a number of which I downloaded as freeware thanks to suggestions at the AudioPluginJunkiesAnnonymous tribe at tribe.net). Rick Walker www.looppool.info PURPLE HAND (abstract electronica) L()()p.p()()L (live looping) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 18:17:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16NHDD14850; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:17:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:17:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:07:16 -0800 To: , From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Good week for looping in Santa Cruz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:27 PM -0800 2/6/05, William Walker wrote: >at a few points in the show the rain pouring on the roof created an >amazing ambience. One point in particular when Michael Manring was >playing a beautiful long toned textural piece, it was if the >environmental sounds were being cued from the mixing board. I had a similar experience a while back in Rome. The venue was a circus-style tent called Spaziozero, and the occasion was a festival of contemporary voice (I was there with Diamanda Galas). Pauline Oliveros was also on the festival, and she asked me to mix for her, in quad. It had been unseasonably cold during the preceding few weeks. Rome was covered in ice and as you can imagine the tent was horribly cold. Fortunately a day or so before Pauline's gig there was a thaw, then continuous rain. As PO described it, the sound of the rain was like "a thousand spirit drummers" and she went with it. Whenever the a gust of wind would sweep the raindrops across the tent, she would make a phrase on her accordion and I would pan her sound across the quad system. A less propitious windy performance happened in Santa Cruz during one of the "years of the tent" when the Cabrillo Music Festival was held on the UCSC campus. The typical weather pattern was for the wind to come up off Monterey Bay in the late afternoon but to died down befor the evening concert, but one particular night it was delayed by about an hour. During the first part of the concert the tent flapped mightily against the wooden uprights around the periphery. I did my best to ride the sound system gain so the rear of the audience could hear the music (though this made me unpopular with the front rows) and the ushers positioned themselves between the wooden uprights and the canvas tent walls, trying vainly to keep the two apart. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 18:56:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j16NtXg19700; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:55:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:55:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=aM6X71jyigDgX5oKFT2zpB+SD9Wtgr47iuQKMAMl8i5kOAncs0baqL0dbYBJ9Ka6/avMAj4iNiS4dJurW2D+8ggAk38n50GHlfEEec76PtQwtJ/Rah5zfy/IVs/urC9edX43p2pwZXayoQrRilnm6g+9wq43IBa798teSp5X/ss= ; Message-ID: <20050206235510.9603.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:55:09 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Along with the Fairlight and Synclavier, we should probably tip our hats to Wolfgang Palm and his PPG line as well. PPG was founded in 1974, starting off with analog mono synths, and progressing to the Wavecomputer 360 in 1978, the System 340/380 sometime around 1979/1980, and the Wave 2 in 1981. PPG was offering hard disk recording by 1985 (the HDU) and was working on a prototype DSP-based system called The Realizer in 1986 that still wasn't ready for release when the company folded in 1987. The details are shrouded in the gauze of hearsay, but as the story goes, a lot of PPG's technology that ended up as the basis for waveform synthesis developed out of a lightshow sequencer being built for Tangerine Dream. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 20:01:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j170xJc27290; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:59:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:59:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050206235510.9603.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050206235510.9603.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:58:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1104384563==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1104384563==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 3:55 PM -0800 2/6/05, Tim Nelson wrote: >Along with the Fairlight and Synclavier, we should >probably tip our hats to Wolfgang Palm and his PPG >line as well. Also a few others, some hybrid and some fully digital: GROOVE System (1970), Buchla 500 series (1971), IRCAM 4A machine (1976), LSI-11 (Harold Alles at Bell Labs) (1977), DMX-1000 Signal Processing Computer (1977), Buchla 300 series (1977), Systems Concepts Digital Synthesizer (1977), Alpha Syntauri (1980), Con Brio ADS 100 (1980), IRCAM 4X machine (1980), McLeyvier (1981), Buchla 400 series (1982), Crumar Synergy (1982) There was obviously a big peak in development around 1977. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1104384563==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Yet another new free VST looper
At 3:55 PM -0800 2/6/05, Tim Nelson wrote:
Along with the Fairlight and Synclavier, we should
probably tip our hats to Wolfgang Palm and his PPG
line as well.

Also a few others, some hybrid and some fully digital:

GROOVE System (1970),
Buchla 500 series (1971),
IRCAM 4A machine (1976),
LSI-11 (Harold Alles at Bell Labs) (1977),
DMX-1000 Signal Processing Computer (1977),
Buchla 300 series (1977),
Systems Concepts Digital Synthesizer (1977),
Alpha Syntauri (1980),
Con Brio ADS 100 (1980),
IRCAM 4X machine (1980),
McLeyvier (1981),
Buchla 400 series (1982),
Crumar Synergy (1982)

There was obviously a big peak in development around 1977.
--

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http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com
--============_-1104384563==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 20:18:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j171HPD30308; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:17:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:17:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:09:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: New Jon Hassell CD Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1104383511==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1104383511==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Jon Hassell Maarifa Street / Magic Realism 2 March 2005 http://www.atelier.abelgratis.co.uk/maarifa/index.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1104383511==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" New Jon Hassell CD
Jon Hassell
Maarifa Street / Magic Realism 2
March 2005

http://www.atelier.abelgratis.co.uk/maarifa/index.html
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Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com
--============_-1104383511==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 20:32:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j171U8T32188; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:30:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:30:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4206C42C.9040603@biink.com> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:28:12 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Jon Hassell CD References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > Jon Hassell > Maarifa Street / Magic Realism 2 > March 2005 > > http://www.atelier.abelgratis.co.uk/maarifa/index.html > >-- > Ah! Good news. Thanks for the heads up RZ! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 6 23:48:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j174lTF30681; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:47:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:47:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050206235510.9603.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050206235510.9603.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4BADC3FE-78C3-11D9-B070-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:46:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <1PVqaC.A.MeH.JLvBCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 6, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > The details are shrouded in the gauze of hearsay, but > as the story goes, a lot of PPG's technology that > ended up as the basis for waveform synthesis developed > out of a lightshow sequencer being built for Tangerine > Dream. not really, but close. Wolfgang was trying to make the most stable synthesizer, being a German and all, and decided digital samples were the way to go. He developed wavetable synthesis as a way to keep the sound as digital as possible ... digital filters were too computationally expensive and/or sounded bad so instead of digitally filtering the waves he came upon the idea of sampling a sawtooth wave with the filter open, then slightly closed, then more closed and so on ... and then crossfading between these samples to give the illusion of a filter sweep. he came up with something alot cooler than a filter sweep, of course. the light show connection is that TD used the Wavecomputer 380 event generators for their light show (supposedly). i would assume they used them because they replaced the 380 event generators with EEH sequencers to drive their Wavecomputer 340 synthesisers (as seen on the cover of Logos), leaving these event sequencers with CV outputs as spares. Thomas Dolby wound up buying a PPG 340/380 system secondhand, supposedly one of the light show sequencers. it and the Moog Source are all over The Golden Age Of Wireless. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 00:13:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j175CLq01596; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:12:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:12:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 06:13:44 +0100 Subject: RE: Smallest Midi Pedal From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ID: E1lwVcZvreMZDPgwWH0JYWnVFIrv13A-q7LbJBdHtLjhTVrhg-+9Qp X-TOI-MSGID: 4d024cde-3b3d-4718-8ffc-de8550562a09 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out the Kenton Spin Doctor (www.kenton.co.uk). It works great with my EDP. Also there is an even smaller box by Doepfer, but I think it doen't do programm changes. Best, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 00:18:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j175GnQ02467; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:16:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:16:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 06:20:29 +0100 Subject: Re: Smallest Midi Pedal From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ID: TWwRBOZUZeMIsxUYkJnwIrB6FYwy3Nsvg8BLcqRzplLtjPoDVWuqUR X-TOI-MSGID: 98757888-6eaa-4375-adbb-c42fd5a9461a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ....also there is always the Tech 21 Midi Mouse. Does programm change only but is not to expensive and reliable. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 01:53:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j176qBd19300; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:52:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:52:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Smallest Midi Pedal Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:51:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050206104114.017848a8@mail02.powweb.com> Thread-Index: AcUMfJerZ43qnNSbQoKahLXRGzmJeAAZNKGA Message-Id: <20050207065142.JLAK6409.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can you do sus commands with this one? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean.loop@creepingfog.com] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 10:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Smallest Midi Pedal A bit pricey, but axess makes a mini controller, the MFC5 http://www.axess-electronics.com/ At 2005.02.06 06:56 AM, phill wilson wrote: >WHAT IS THE SMALLEST MIDI CONTROL YOU CAN BUY??? > >I figure I need between four and eight buttons that can send one midi >comand per button. i dont need banks or anyhting like that if its >easier without. > >would like SUS-Ovdub, Sus-Rec, Reverse, Half-Speed. I could probably >double that if there were the buttons but i dont mind. > >I was thinking of something about the size of a Line six box ?? does it exist? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 02:23:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j177MNo24875; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:22:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:22:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050206232131.01833eb8@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:22:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: Smallest Midi Pedal In-Reply-To: <20050207065142.JLAK6409.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050206104114.017848a8@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com good point - probably not. At 2005.02.06 10:51 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Can you do sus commands with this one? >Gary > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean.loop@creepingfog.com] >Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 10:47 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Smallest Midi Pedal > >A bit pricey, but axess makes a mini controller, the MFC5 >http://www.axess-electronics.com/ > > >At 2005.02.06 06:56 AM, phill wilson wrote: > >WHAT IS THE SMALLEST MIDI CONTROL YOU CAN BUY??? > > > >I figure I need between four and eight buttons that can send one midi > >comand per button. i dont need banks or anyhting like that if its > >easier without. > > > >would like SUS-Ovdub, Sus-Rec, Reverse, Half-Speed. I could probably > >double that if there were the buttons but i dont mind. > > > >I was thinking of something about the size of a Line six box ?? does it >exist? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 02:39:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j176hOb17630; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:43:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:43:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=F20l5ErbjeeEw1wWIWqy2BB4i+luXBOj1HXBXJ3UpTGDUfcBqaZYa9weohwtKwPe57MCSvVfx5klrXnsxQgRCN+lPcQyzx79wR1PCx+ko0RvycNdM2kB94yeftQM9n1H5ch4mt/tXNs8OuBbRGuqWIz5ZiRJ0ZN4hV/XqwaF1xs= ; Message-ID: <20050207064153.27232.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:41:53 -0800 (PST) From: John Corbett Subject: looking for a boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, I'm brand new to the list and also to the world of looping. Well, I have been listening to people who use loops for years but have just decided to do it myself recently. I have tried a couple units but really want to get my hands on a Boomerang. Thought I would try this list to see if anyone had one for sale. Peace, John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 03:54:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j178rtD06840; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:53:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:53:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <4206C42C.9040603@biink.com> References: <4206C42C.9040603@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9fd4091a728105902e9fd7ba9cf3fce3@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New Jon Hassell CD Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:52:35 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Richard Zvonar wrote: > >> Jon Hassell >> Maarifa Street / Magic Realism 2 >> March 2005 >> >> http://www.atelier.abelgratis.co.uk/maarifa/index.html >> -- On Feb 7, 2005, at 2:28, David Beardsley wrote: > Ah! Good news. > Thanks for the heads up RZ! Yes, very exciting! The "buy" page did not load here although I tried two different browsers. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 05:24:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17ANSS19118; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:23:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:23:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=48nUNcYrz7jCPqvVT8LSdOQSE2ysn6/qxGlNw2xncndMvPRGDQ10KeuDf986xBEBjPviQxQ/DJuum87/zGM0XfeEOtVIEUnQphFK2hCOXFzMkP7nwHs3RRIEVMp5rHS0fUHW6Z2t+0dUfs7dsu9ySXK6et0TuDbdeWnu7xxtAvI= ; Message-ID: <20050207102222.8766.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:22:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4BADC3FE-78C3-11D9-B070-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > Thomas Dolby wound up buying a PPG 340/380 system > secondhand, > supposedly one of the light show sequencers. He named it "Henry". It met its demise in a nasty accident involving an elevator shaft. (That noise would have made a great sample...) -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 05:34:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17AXgJ20513; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:33:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:33:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.5.116] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <12d.557d44de.2f37a5c7@aol.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kitundu, sound artist, weird instruments Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:30:53 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2005 10:31:00.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E0AC2F0:01C50D00] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes Kitundi played y2k4-my favorite performance of the fest,very cool strange instruments and very deep soulful playing. Unique, groundbreaking , yet fully hooked up to several deep roots . He's on Matt Davignon's current calendar for a gig in S.F. coming up.If you're in the area I'd say he's worth hearing live. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 06:36:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17BXed27251; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:33:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:33:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.240.120] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anybody recognise this? Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:29:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2005 11:30:01.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CEAAC30:01C50D08] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a fuzzy shot of eivind aarset's gear, taken on 31st Jan at a trio gig in germany... http://www.molvaer.de/molvaerpics/aarset_2005_karlsruhe_gear3.jpg what's the box inbetween the mixer and the boss delay pedal? sim here's another from further away... http://www.molvaer.de/molvaerpics/aarset_2005_karlsruhe_gear1.jpg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 08:02:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17D03q05821; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:00:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:00:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1641E851-7908-11D9-9A0B-000A956F605C@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Anybody recognise this? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:59:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <4hJeID.A.mZB.yY2BCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com did anyone record this gig? i don't recognize the pedal, but it has an ebow taped to the top of it... On Feb 7, 2005, at 6:29 AM, simeon harris wrote: > a fuzzy shot of eivind aarset's gear, taken on 31st Jan at a trio gig > in germany... > > http://www.molvaer.de/molvaerpics/aarset_2005_karlsruhe_gear3.jpg > > what's the box inbetween the mixer and the boss delay pedal? > > sim > > > here's another from further away... > > http://www.molvaer.de/molvaerpics/aarset_2005_karlsruhe_gear1.jpg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 08:15:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17DEDL07935; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:14:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:14:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:13:24 +0100 From: jan Subject: Re: Anybody recognise this? In-reply-to: <1641E851-7908-11D9-9A0B-000A956F605C@fuse.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0C58CEE1-790A-11D9-862C-003065A8A526@igmbergen.no> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed References: <1641E851-7908-11D9-9A0B-000A956F605C@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j17DDVS07853 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the ebow is just placed there, and the tape is to hold the battery lid. På 7. feb. 2005 kl. 13.59 skrev monk: > did anyone record this gig? > > i don't recognize the pedal, but it has an ebow taped to the top of > it... > > > > On Feb 7, 2005, at 6:29 AM, simeon harris wrote: > >> a fuzzy shot of eivind aarset's gear, taken on 31st Jan at a trio gig >> in germany... >> >> http://www.molvaer.de/molvaerpics/aarset_2005_karlsruhe_gear3.jpg >> >> what's the box inbetween the mixer and the boss delay pedal? >> >> sim >> >> >> here's another from further away... >> >> http://www.molvaer.de/molvaerpics/aarset_2005_karlsruhe_gear1.jpg >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 08:40:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17DdIa11455; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:39:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:39:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c50d1a$59dbb950$0a01a8c0@remwavesnet> From: "Torstein H. Rem" To: Subject: Re: EH 16-sec reissue - worth getting...? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:38:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C50D22.BB430D30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C50D22.BB430D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Legion wrote; "The DL4 is a vanilla looper. The EH 16 Mk II is a noise box. I was kind = of hoping for a combination of the two. If the EH allowed me to tell it = when to start/stop it would be my favorite loop box bar none." The Manecoloopers could be just what you're looking for.=20 They can do both static (EH 16 sec style) and now also non-static (EDP = style) looping.=20 With expr. pedal outs for delaytime, feedback, filter, stomp switches = for 1/2 Time (one octave up or down) and Reverse they are great noise boxes too. Maneco will also custom fit his boxes to indiviual requests. http://manecolooper.tripod.com threm ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C50D22.BB430D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Legion wrote;
"The DL4 is a vanilla looper. The = EH 16 Mk II=20 is a noise box. I was kind of
hoping for a combination of the two. If = the EH=20 allowed me to tell it when
to start/stop it would be my favorite loop = box bar=20 none."
 
The Manecoloopers could be just what = you're looking=20 for.
They can do both static (EH 16 sec = style) and now=20 also non-static (EDP style) looping.
With expr. pedal outs for delaytime, = feedback,=20 filter, stomp switches for 1/2 Time (one octave up or down)=20 and
Reverse they are great noise boxes = too.
Maneco will also custom fit his boxes = to indiviual=20 requests.
http://manecolooper.tripod.com
 
threm
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C50D22.BB430D30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 11:10:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17G95n06434; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:09:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:09:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1107792447!3641962!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.8; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D44@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: reproducing fripp/riley tape delay Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:06:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C50D2E.F9D54ED0" Resent-Message-ID: <5mEBvB.A.-gB.GJ5BCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C50D2E.F9D54ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I have in the past used 2 revox(es) to achieve frippertronic/terry riley type improvisations. I'm tempted to go for the DL-4, (sounds good from what I've seen written about it)<< I've used the two-tape-deck system on & off since 1978.... I didn't even know who fripp was then, & copied the idea from a picture I saw of the bbc radiophonics workshop. what I was actually trying to do was get a better echo effect, by running the tape at a high speed for the fidelity, but using the second deck's replay system to extend the delay time /as a simple musical effect/. I didn't realise then (too impatient to do the sums, I expect) that what I would end up with was a very long delay indeed, even with the machines side-by-side & running at 7.5ips. & so I got quite a surprise when I ran the whole thing up. I say again, I had not yet heard music made with this technique. by the time I discovered "no pussyfooting", I regarded the technique as a studio-staple; "surely everyone is aware of this trick", like ADT or flanging with two decks. I started out with two ferrographs.... but I've also used pairs of revox a77's & pairs of uher portables to achieve the same thing. what's special about the use of tape decks is (or can be, anyway) the quality of the recording itself. you will gradually accumulate all sorts of multi-generational tape artefacts, such as hiss, rumble ("rock noise"), 2nd & 3rd order distortion, dropout, wow, flutter..... & the fun to be had increases if you have easy access to the biasing of the first deck, &/or any of the eq adjustments. then there's flicking the tape as it traverses the void between record & play. moving the decks further apart or closer together. pinching the tape to make it squeal. lifting the tape off of the erase head to let random old noises through into the piece. varying the azimuth on the play-deck on a sustained note to create a phasing effect... the nearest approximation I've heard of these qualities has been the tape-delay emulation on the dl4. it doesn't go quite slow/long enough for the two-deck sound, but I suspect the rack-version does. I should get one really, but hooking up the two tape machines is still a lot of fun, & you get to keep the recording afterwards too. :-) duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C50D2E.F9D54ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: reproducing fripp/riley tape delay

>>I have in the past used 2 revox(es) to achieve fr= ippertronic/terry riley type improvisations. I'm tempted to go for the DL-4= , (sounds good from what I've seen written about it)<<

I've used the two-tape-deck system on & off since 197= 8.... I didn't even know who fripp was then, & copied the idea from a p= icture I saw of the bbc radiophonics workshop.

what I was actually trying to do was get a better echo ef= fect, by running the tape at a high speed for the fidelity, but using the s= econd deck's replay system to extend the delay time /as a simple musical ef= fect/.

I didn't realise then (too impatient to do the sums, I ex= pect) that what I would end up with was a very long delay indeed, even with= the machines side-by-side & running at 7.5ips.

& so I got quite a surprise when I ran the whole thin= g up.

I say again, I had not yet heard music made with this tec= hnique. by the time I discovered "no pussyfooting", I regarded th= e technique as a studio-staple; "surely everyone is aware of this tric= k", like ADT or flanging with two decks.

I started out with two ferrographs.... but I've also used= pairs of revox a77's & pairs of uher portables to achieve the same thi= ng.

what's special about the use of tape decks is (or can be,= anyway) the quality of the recording itself. you will gradually accumulate= all sorts of multi-generational tape artefacts, such as hiss, rumble (&quo= t;rock noise"), 2nd & 3rd order distortion, dropout, wow, flutter.= .... & the fun to be had increases if you have easy access to the biasi= ng of the first deck, &/or any of the eq adjustments. then there's flic= king the tape as it traverses the void between record & play. moving th= e decks further apart or closer together. pinching the tape to make it sque= al. lifting the tape off of the erase head to let random old noises through= into the piece. varying the azimuth on the play-deck on a sustained note t= o create a phasing effect...

the nearest approximation I've heard of these qualities h= as been the tape-delay emulation on the dl4. it doesn't go quite slow/long = enough for the two-deck sound, but I suspect the rack-version does. I shoul= d get one really, but hooking up the two tape machines is still a lot of fu= n, & you get to keep the recording afterwards too. :-)

duncan/r.m.i. 



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C50D2E.F9D54ED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 11:37:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17Gb4x11460; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:37:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:37:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UQBFEZK8QE/Xxc7w1sgXxJxA4XpoP/xoPCSkw00+J9MUvJF4zE+ilrPCq50mP+HI1GU7TsoaNlxUgPFIKFcOKlGmEIf6DkOXkq5TZ+tgoWQq5VJ8BnyLSBIrYycxgDfQkkjyzOUH7Edxct8YGnsc43DGNhR7jk1SiB0lBM5g2R4= Message-ID: <2fb9e47305020708356276ca38@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:35:17 -0500 From: Clint Allen Reply-To: Clint Allen To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: (OT - gear for sale) Line6 DL-4 for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9MzyJC.A.QtC.Pj5BCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm selling off some gear again but specifically (since a few have asked...) I'm selling my Line6 DL-4 for $250 (which includes shipping in US)...I'll ship other places, but would have to charge for the shipping. Email me offline if interested. Unit has only been gigged twice. It's very clean and comes in the original box. I'm parting with it because I have two EDPs and have no real need for it anymore (though I'm sure I could find a use...but I need the sanity right now, too...) Thanks, Clint Allen www.clintallen.com (I've got other gear for sale on my site, too....) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 11:39:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17GbMf11516; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:37:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:37:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D44@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D44@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-637927759 Message-Id: <39946ad4d0035de10529451d6e8b7342@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> From: Kevin Harrison Subject: Re: reproducing fripp/riley tape delay Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:35:46 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-637927759 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Duncan, Yeh, the beauty of the 2 revox method is the artifacts that build up, =20= plus you end up with a finished recording on tape. I guess I'm looking for a small portable digital thang to do something =20= similar. I think the Line 6 rack version would probably be too =20 expensive for me. Thanks for your thoughts Kevin www.dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk On Feb 07, 2005, at 16:06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>I have in the past used 2 revox(es) to achieve frippertronic/terry =20= > riley type improvisations. I'm tempted to go for the DL-4, (sounds =20 > good from what I've seen written about it)<< > > I've used the two-tape-deck system on & off since 1978.... I didn't =20= > even know who fripp was then, & copied the idea from a picture I saw =20= > of the bbc radiophonics workshop. > > what I was actually trying to do was get a better echo effect, by =20 > running the tape at a high speed for the fidelity, but using the =20 > second deck's replay system to extend the delay time /as a simple =20 > musical effect/. > > I didn't realise then (too impatient to do the sums, I expect) that =20= > what I would end up with was a very long delay indeed, even with the =20= > machines side-by-side & running at 7.5ips. > > & so I got quite a surprise when I ran the whole thing up. > > I say again, I had not yet heard music made with this technique. by =20= > the time I discovered "no pussyfooting", I regarded the technique as a = =20 > studio-staple; "surely everyone is aware of this trick", like ADT or =20= > flanging with two decks. > > I started out with two ferrographs.... but I've also used pairs of =20 > revox a77's & pairs of uher portables to achieve the same thing. > > what's special about the use of tape decks is (or can be, anyway) the =20= > quality of the recording itself. you will gradually accumulate all =20 > sorts of multi-generational tape artefacts, such as hiss, rumble =20 > ("rock noise"), 2nd & 3rd order distortion, dropout, wow, flutter..... = =20 > & the fun to be had increases if you have easy access to the biasing =20= > of the first deck, &/or any of the eq adjustments. then there's =20 > flicking the tape as it traverses the void between record & play. =20 > moving the decks further apart or closer together. pinching the tape =20= > to make it squeal. lifting the tape off of the erase head to let =20 > random old noises through into the piece. varying the azimuth on the =20= > play-deck on a sustained note to create a phasing effect... > > the nearest approximation I've heard of these qualities has been the =20= > tape-delay emulation on the dl4. it doesn't go quite slow/long enough =20= > for the two-deck sound, but I suspect the rack-version does. I should =20= > get one really, but hooking up the two tape machines is still a lot of = =20 > fun, & you get to keep the recording afterwards too. :-) > > duncan/r.m.i.=A0 > > > =20 > = ***********************************************************************=20= > **** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. 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Thanks for your thoughts Kevin www.dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk On Feb 07, 2005, at 16:06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>I have in the past used 2 revox(es) to achieve frippertronic/terry riley type improvisations. I'm tempted to go for the DL-4, (sounds good from what I've seen written about = it)<<<< I've used the two-tape-deck system on & off since 1978.... I didn't even know who fripp was then, & copied the idea from a picture I saw of the bbc radiophonics workshop. what I was actually trying to do was get a better echo effect, by running the tape at a high speed for the fidelity, but using the second deck's replay system to extend the delay time /as a simple musical effect/. I didn't realise then (too impatient to do the sums, I expect) that what I would end up with was a very long delay indeed, even with the machines side-by-side & running at 7.5ips. & so I got quite a surprise when I ran the whole thing up.=20 I say again, I had not yet heard music made with this technique. by the time I discovered "no pussyfooting", I regarded the technique as a studio-staple; "surely everyone is aware of this trick", like ADT or flanging with two decks. I started out with two ferrographs.... but I've also used pairs of revox a77's & pairs of uher portables to achieve the same thing. what's special about the use of tape decks is (or can be, anyway) the quality of the recording itself. you will gradually accumulate all sorts of multi-generational tape artefacts, such as hiss, rumble ("rock noise"), 2nd & 3rd order distortion, dropout, wow, flutter..... & the fun to be had increases if you have easy access to the biasing of the first deck, &/or any of the eq adjustments. then there's flicking the tape as it traverses the void between record & play. moving the decks further apart or closer together. pinching the tape to make it squeal. lifting the tape off of the erase head to let random old noises through into the piece. varying the azimuth on the play-deck on a sustained note to create a phasing effect... the nearest approximation I've heard of these qualities has been the tape-delay emulation on the dl4. it doesn't go quite slow/long enough for the two-deck sound, but I suspect the rack-version does. I should get one really, but hooking up the two tape machines is still a lot of fun, & you get to keep the recording afterwards too. :-) duncan/r.m.i.=A0=20 = **************************************************************************= * CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=uGs/hrewLHc5sKU99vn2CNkUZCNKzZK7k31vdrKAEvwd/DI+i4Ve03XouQC9foEYyNRhGjSS8WMFDscvNvn2Zy02vV5p6PKOhB1JySvVJz3FmRtgu5h7VEfGuGGQMYJF3lNxB0uKQIVGAacqWU8owSm7SVl049IHIuVwSph8jnU= ; Message-ID: <20050207165930.49946.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:59:30 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: my 2nd Public Access show w/ looping (HsAcNoStEtN, "The Joy of Guitar Looping") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-92282220-1107795570=:49679" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-92282220-1107795570=:49679 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii my 2nd guitar looping video is running in the Iowa City area on Public Access. this one uses the same setup that i used for my 1st 30 min video, using my new guitar (sort of tesla like w/ klein-like attributes) into my digitech rp100 (for 2 sec delays) - peavey tube preamp-dod d12 (using mostly 6 sec samples from rp100, did lots of delay manipulations etc,) -lexicon mpx100--to my old 50 watt amp. i think the shows been running for 2 weeks or so, a friend saw it (he commented that it looked like a friend of his and i was the best thing on tv that night), my bro saw parts of it during xmas, and thought it sounded like noise (he's an anti-loop-ite). the show's different than #1, mainly that my kids, since they are older now, come in and "interrupt more", my youngest (1 yr old) slightly turns the camera now and then, and my oldest (4) came in at one point and is whacking me on the head w/ a plastic shovel, sort of a "what if the stooges did loops i guess"., and then i did little cheezy interludes of pretending to be some type of filmmaker w/ our camera that is fading in visuals, but in the background of each of those pieces is some of my recorded live loop music playing, so another attempt to put stuff out in the limited media exposure of public access. i called it "joy of guitar looping" in a nod to ole bob ross, maybe someday i'll wear a fake afro, and talk about my happy trees or loops or something.....but the show took me so long to get together, shot it in oct 04, that i've since retired my rp100, and use my digitech rp7 for tube preamp and it's 3.5 sec delays, and then i've added in the ibanez de-7 for manipulating delays (2.7 sec-does great manipulations, just not very infinate in repeats). oh well....happy looping....s---- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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my 2nd guitar looping video is running in the Iowa City area on Public Access.
this one uses the same setup that i used for my 1st 30 min video, using my new
guitar (sort of tesla like w/ klein-like attributes) into my digitech rp100 (for 2 sec delays) -
peavey tube preamp-dod d12 (using mostly 6 sec samples from rp100, did lots of delay manipulations etc,) -lexicon mpx100--to my old 50 watt amp. i think the shows been running for 2 weeks or so, a friend saw it (he commented that it looked like a friend of his and i was the best thing on tv that night), my bro saw parts of it during xmas, and thought it sounded like noise (he's an anti-loop-ite). the show's different than #1, mainly that my kids, since they are older now, come in and "interrupt more", my youngest (1 yr old) slightly turns the camera now and then, and my oldest (4) came in at one point and is whacking me on the head w/ a plastic shovel, sort of a "what if the stooges did loops i guess"., and then i did little cheezy interludes of pretending to be some type of filmmaker w/ our camera that is fading in visuals, but in the background of each of those pieces is some of my recorded live loop music playing, so another attempt to put stuff out in the limited media exposure of public access. i called it "joy of guitar looping" in a nod to ole bob ross, maybe someday i'll wear a fake afro, and talk about my happy trees or loops or something.....but the show took me so long to get together, shot it in oct 04, that i've since retired my rp100, and use my digitech rp7 for tube preamp and it's 3.5 sec delays, and then i've added in the ibanez de-7 for manipulating delays (2.7 sec-does great manipulations, just not very infinate in repeats). oh well....happy looping....s----

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Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. --0-92282220-1107795570=:49679-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 12:18:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17HGJU20495; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:16:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:16:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <12218936.1107796478294.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:14:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ineko for sale? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <5ZzOxC.A.z5E.EI6BCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any of you guys wanna sell your Alesis Ineko? I'd rather not fart around with eBay if I can help it. Cheers, Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 12:22:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17HLOl22802; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:21:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:21:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: my 2nd Public Access show w/ looping (HsAcNoStEtN, "The Joy of Guitar Looping") Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:20:13 -0700 Message-ID: <007f01c50d39$49508d80$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050207165930.49946.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 76, in=146, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott, get that thing digitized and on ZeD, man! :) So far, I think I'm the only guitar looper on ZeD with real time looping videos. I need some support! If you have it on VHS or SVHS, it costs about $15 to have it converted to DVD. And then you can rip that to MPG and finally to small WMV files for ZeD. It looks like we are taking similar paths of getting our material on public access. It's a great venue. http://zed.cbc.ca/go.ZeD?POS=6&CONTENT_ID=189906&FILTER_KEY=81729&page=c ontent (you could setup a similar page, or we could join forces and make a common page for guitar loopers). Kris -----Original Message----- From: scott hansen [mailto:evanpeewee@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: my 2nd Public Access show w/ looping (HsAcNoStEtN, "The Joy of Guitar Looping") my 2nd guitar looping video is running in the Iowa City area on Public Access. this one uses the same setup that i used for my 1st 30 min video, using my new guitar (sort of tesla like w/ klein-like attributes) into my digitech rp100 (for 2 sec delays) - peavey tube preamp-dod d12 (using mostly 6 sec samples from rp100, did lots of delay manipulations etc,) -lexicon mpx100--to my old 50 watt amp. i think the shows been running for 2 weeks or so, a friend saw it (he commented that it looked like a friend of his and i was the best thing on tv that night), my bro saw parts of it during xmas, and thought it sounded like noise (he's an anti-loop-ite). the show's different than #1, mainly that my kids, since they are older now, come in and "interrupt more", my youngest (1 yr old) slightly turns the camera now and then, and my oldest (4) came in at one point and is whacking me on the head w/ a plastic shovel, sort of a "what if the stooges did loops i guess"., and then i did little cheezy interludes of pretending to be some type of filmmaker w/ our camera that is fading in visuals, but in the background of each of those pieces is some of my recorded live loop music playing, so another attempt to put stuff out in the limited me! dia exposure of public access. i called it "joy of guitar looping" in a nod to ole bob ross, maybe someday i'll wear a fake afro, and talk about my happy trees or loops or something.....but the show took me so long to get together, shot it in oct 04, that i've since retired my rp100, and use my digitech rp7 for tube preamp and it's 3.5 sec delays, and then i've added in the ibanez de-7 for manipulating delays (2.7 sec-does great manipulations, just not very infinate in repeats). oh well....happy looping....s---- Do you Yahoo!? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 12:37:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17HZtZ25660; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:35:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:35:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Cc: =?us-ascii?Q?Walter_Bruhn?= Subject: RE: New Jon Hassell CD Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:32:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:31:37 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 62.227.179.127 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Jon Hassell CD http://www.atelier.abelgratis.co.uk/maarifa/index.html wow!! this made my day. Even if the "buy" page contains a javascript error :-) I found another page: http://www.metisse-music.com "Label Bleu, the French independent, has confirmed the release of "Maarifa Street" the latest recording by Jon Hassell for March 10. The album will be launched with a concert at the Amiens Festival on March 30, with Paolo Fresu, Dhafer Youssef and Eivind Aarset on stage with Jon Hassell and his musicians, Rick Cox and John Beasley." A page about the festival: http://www.amiensjazzfestival.com/artistes_festival.php Jon Hassell concert en exclusivite europeenne) Relativement peu connu du grand public, Jon Hassell est pourtant un des peres fondateurs de la scene electrojazz actuelle. C'est au debut des annees 1980 que le trompettiste de Memphis rencontre le jeune comparse de David Bowie et futur producteur de U2 : Brian Eno. Ensemble, ils ecrivent la premiere page de l'electrojazz : longue plainte de trompette feutree heritiere de Miles Davis posee comme une plume sur des tapis electroniques doux comme de la gaze accompagnee de quelques percussions flottantes... Depuis, le trompettiste n'a cesse de perfectionner son art et continue de fasciner la jeune scene actuelle, qu'elle soit jazz ou electronique. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 12:53:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17Hp9Z28347; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:51:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:51:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: EDP LoopTrig question (was RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #72) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:53:40 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050206115056.02b85d40@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy Thank you! With your hint about SamplerStyle=Att I found it in the manual p. 9-27: If you do a long-press of the NoteOn trigger for the current loop, the loop will be Reset. This is not the case when SamplerStyle=Att. In that case the currently loop is just retriggered and played as normal for SamplerStyle=Att." I hadn't found it, because I only scanned the manual for the search term "LoopTrig"... But now you've opened the can of worms... on page 9-26: DOUBLE-CLICK RECORD If the current loop is in reset, and you double-click the NoteOn trigger for the current loop, the Echoplex will start Record. I did not get this behaviour (though I'd love to have it)! Double-clicking NoteOn does nothing. I tried by sending the corresponding NoteOff and without sending the NoteOffs but to no avail. How about you? Yes, finally I decided to go for the PMC10 (http://nosuch.biz/pmc10/parallel) Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Sonntag, 6. Februar 2005 13:01 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #72 > > > Hi Bernhard > >I have a EDP LoopTrig question: > >When I do a long press of the DirectMidi LoopTrig the targeted loop gets > >deleted. I couldn't find that behaviour described in the manual. > > > >Thank you > >Bernhard > > I couldn't find it either. > ..but essentially the LoopTrig is working the same way as Record here, > and so LongPressLoopTrig resets the loop. > > When SamplerStyle=Att, the behaviour is different; the loop > only plays for as long as you hold down the LoopTrig, so in this case > there's no longpress to erase the loop. > > ...Does this mean you bought a midi-controller? :-) > > andy butler > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 13:28:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17IPOt03889; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:25:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:25:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex w/ midi controller problems Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:27:41 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050206190205.71980.qmail@web50405.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Devin source # setting: To get the maximum range available I would set it to the lowest key your keyboard produces. Let's say if the lowest key of your keyboard has the value 10, I'd configure source # to 10. On your lowest key you would then have the "Parameter" button, the next to lowest key would have no function (LoopIV Guide, p. 44 and EDP Plus manual, p. 7-4, respectively) and the next key would be the record button. 14 half notes above that you'd have the first DirectMidi command SUSRecord, which records as long as you press that key. I'd recommend you get the EDP Plus Manual, since most people refer to that when quoting: http://www.gibsonechoplex.com/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf "one key, when pressed, produces a sort of circuit bent glitch sound " To understand what this is, you'd need to provide more information: What key are you pressing, what state is your EDP in, etc. hehe, there's another bunch of EDP Plus' I didn't even know of: http://hedman-la.com/userguides/EDP%20Plus%20Operator%20Manual.pdf http://www.rainin-global.com/edp_plus_manual.pdf Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Devin Smith [mailto:dvidedevo@yahoo.com] Sent: Sonntag, 6. Februar 2005 20:02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex w/ midi controller problems Hi everyone, I'm new to the list, so I guess I ought to introduce myself. I'm a multiinstrumentalist who, after years of playing guitar, banjo, mandolin, drums, and a bit of sitar, is most recently delving into the world of sequencing, drum machines, synths, and (of all things) looping. I'm also an avid circuit bender, and have created a number of mangled casios and speak and XXXX's. My latest projects are a circuit bent roland tr-505 with an rca patchbay and switching matrix, and a tape looping device I plan to construct out of a teac A-1200 and 3 or 4 spare playback heads that I've scavenged off of dead machines. I've been messing with delays and filters for years, but since I got my Echoplex (with loop IV), my music has taken so many new directions. It is such a powerful tool, there is so much you can do with it, yet the shear variety of features and configurations makes it challenging sometimes. Anyway, on to my real question--- which is... I recently acquired an Alesis Micron (great little synth), and have aspirations of setting it up as a midi controller for my echoplex. I've had some success doing this, but I'm am unsure of how to set the parameters (specifically the source # setting) to maximize the accessibility of both function controls and loop triggers. Keep in mind this is a 31 key synth, so there is some inherent limitation anyway (although there is an octave switch that makes it simple to scroll through the key values), but despite various tinkerings, it seems that I can only find the loop trigger keys and a few of the functions, while most functions remain innaccessible. The manual says something sort of cryptic about overlapping function values and trigger values, which I thought I understood, but I guess not. In particular, I seem to be able to access only the "MIDI buttons" and not the "Direct MIDI commands" (for those of you with a loop IV manual handy, check out page 44). Also co! nfusing is that one key, when pressed, produces a sort of circuit bent glitch sound that changes unpredictably (sound kinda cool actually, but I don't want to hurt my baby). I've also had some instances of freezing, where the display said some whacky three letter word. Any pointers out there? A little help would be great. -Devin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 13:44:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17IgQE06394; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:42:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:42:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <57f67a5d8b9ff975ca97bd6e7b95bbba@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New Jon Hassell CD Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:41:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 7, 2005, at 18:32, Michael Peters wrote: > "Label Bleu, the French independent, has confirmed the release of > "Maarifa > Street" the latest recording by Jon Hassell for March 10. Ok. Will have to wait then... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 14:26:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17JOe612963; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:24:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:24:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Ineko for sale? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:23:08 -0700 Message-ID: <008101c50d4a$74ed58e0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <12218936.1107796478294.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 77, in=171, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't you want the rackmount version, Akira, instead? Kris -----Original Message----- From: mungenast@earthlink.net [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ineko for sale? Any of you guys wanna sell your Alesis Ineko? I'd rather not fart around with eBay if I can help it. Cheers, Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 15:29:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17KRWD26266; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:27:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:27:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:26:38 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Echoplex w/ midi controller problems In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4207CEFE.1010302@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: <7LRBo.A.rYG._78BCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bernhard Wagner wrote: > hehe, there's another bunch of EDP Plus' I didn't even know of: > http://hedman-la.com/userguides/EDP%20Plus%20Operator%20Manual.pdf Hmm, the manual looks eerily familiar: Congratulations! You're in for more fun than you can possibly imagine, with the EDP Plus Programmable Electronic Form Signer. This is the spiritual successor to the original EDP, a device made by Hasbro in the 1960s that relied on graphite rods to sign forms. One of the great things about the EDP Plus PEFS is that it offers both instant gratification and depth... Makes you wonder, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 17:41:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j17MdeW28246; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:39:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:39:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=J1j5eixceNLI4D/FgfQx2CNiqo2mG38BABcnMCcBSvc8m7Wlj3p3AG03ISnV5EcdrZ6WYUo2iGmQwmzmNx05R+bM3y09ctGO//iQLKvd0dJSsICq4Mh85RWeeJ0u9HdDAoqYelcHy8sTSHht3NCOyO3f0zS0Pow5QefaAzEeWo8= ; Message-ID: <20050207223742.91057.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:37:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Anybody recognise this? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1641E851-7908-11D9-9A0B-000A956F605C@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3VH_NB.A.FzG.82-BCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks to me like a Roger Mayer Voodoo Vibe, and I think the eBow is just resting there ready to be snatched up, not taped down. What's the box under the repeater? -t- --- monk wrote: > did anyone record this gig? > > i don't recognize the pedal, but it has an ebow > taped to the top of > it... > > > > On Feb 7, 2005, at 6:29 AM, simeon harris wrote: > > > a fuzzy shot of eivind aarset's gear, taken on > 31st Jan at a trio gig > > in germany... > > > > > http://www.molvaer.de/molvaerpics/aarset_2005_karlsruhe_gear3.jpg > > > > what's the box inbetween the mixer and the boss > delay pedal? > > > > sim > > > > > > here's another from further away... > > > > > http://www.molvaer.de/molvaerpics/aarset_2005_karlsruhe_gear1.jpg > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 19:52:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j180q9W24236; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:52:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:52:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c50d78$51b30310$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: THE BEST CHEAP RECORDING SOLUTION Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:51:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was heartbroken to have my Sony recording MD player break down, irrevocably, on me recently. I did almost my entire live looping CD with that machine. I was also chagrined to find that Sony no longer offers an inexpensive recording MD player (mine was about $150 when I purchased it) and instead, cynically, only offers one for about $300. Is there one on the market in that cheaper range (sub $200)? Anyway, I had a conversation with a musician here while back (who I can't even remember) who swears by the latest Mpeg format for recording. He said the fidelity is amazing. ************** ************** I am wondering: with all you experts on this list: WHAT IS THE BEST LIVE RECORDING MEDIUM THAT IS INEXPENSIVE (please don't say a laptop). I mean, is there any elegant solution under $200? as a subcategory for this thread, I'd also be curious what the distinction is in fidelity between Mini Disc and say, mp3s or other media. thanks, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 20:36:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j181YfW30739; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:34:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:34:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4208171D.7000602@iinet.net.au> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:34:21 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE BEST CHEAP RECORDING SOLUTION References: <007301c50d78$51b30310$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <007301c50d78$51b30310$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi rick, technically any recording medium that uses compression is not high-fidelity, (hi-fi) so it depends not so much on the quality of the recording medium as the expected quality of the playback medium. that is, what is the intended use of these recordings? mini-disc and mp3 are lossy compression schemes, so they degrade the audio signal no matter what the marketing hype says, but they can both produce good quality recordings depending on you intentions. Using headphones, I find mp3s trying to listen to at anything less than 256kb/s, as I can hear the swishy flange like compression artefacts in things like cymbals , and minidisc similarly seems to mutilate the upper frequencies a bit too much for my ears (or whatever upper range hearing that hasn't been blasted away by overdriven guitar amps and pub gigs). as a result I try to record to a raw, uncompressed format like .WAV or .aiff wherever possible. But that is only if I'm recording for listening pleasure. If the recording is just for personal reference and quick and dirty sketches, so to speak, then it's not so much an issue. another option is to go with a portable dat deck, as these are apparently getting blown out dirt cheap on ebay at the moment, and possibly in stores as well (haven't looked). the dat mechanisms are no longer being manufactured, so it is possible to find portable units around the us$150 mark, or so I have heard on the internet grapevine. this is a lossless format that will produce superior quality to minidisc and mp3 - only thing being that if your tape mechanism dies, you'll find it increasingly harder to get it repaired I assume. I'm also assuming the dat tapes are going to go up in price as the format becomes superseded. (which again could also mean now is a good time to stock up at blowout prices...) -michael > > I am wondering: with all you experts on this list: > > > WHAT IS THE BEST LIVE RECORDING MEDIUM THAT IS INEXPENSIVE (please > don't say a laptop). > I mean, is there any elegant solution under $200? > > as a subcategory for this thread, I'd also be curious what the > distinction is in fidelity between Mini Disc and > say, mp3s or other media. > > > thanks, Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 21:17:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j182Fid07034; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:15:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:15:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.6c4b0d2c.2f397967@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:09:43 EST Subject: Re: THE BEST CHEAP RECORDING SOLUTION To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/7/05 5:34:38 PM, not8ohm@iinet.net.au writes: << the dat mechanisms are no longer being manufactured, so it is possible to find portable units around the us$150 mark, or so I have heard on the internet grapevine. >> Hi Boss made a 4-track digital recorder the BR532 that I think they have discontinued and replaced by an 8-track version. It will record 2 tracks at once and I think it uses .wav format. The BR532 uses SmartMedia cards and has a hi-fi mode. I have seen used ones going in the $200-$250 range. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 21:25:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j182Nei08324; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:23:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:23:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42082231.1060509@creepingfog.com> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:21:37 -0800 From: Sean Echevarria User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE BEST CHEAP RECORDING SOLUTION References: <2b.6c4b0d2c.2f397967@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2b.6c4b0d2c.2f397967@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok - since someone else hit 250, I submit the 20GB hardddrive based portable mp3 player with recording capability: http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=DigitalInnovationsCatalog&category%5Fname=Neuros+Players&product%5Fid=4010301 (link might be wrapped) No first hand experience with it myself, but the specs are interesting. It will record either MP3 or WAV (in stereo) (they also sell a portable stereo mic preamp and mic unit). On 2005.02.07 6:09 PM, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/7/05 5:34:38 PM, not8ohm@iinet.net.au writes: > > << the dat mechanisms are no > > longer being manufactured, so it is possible to find portable units > > around the us$150 mark, or so I have heard on the internet grapevine. >> > > Hi > > Boss made a 4-track digital recorder the BR532 that I think they have > discontinued and replaced by an 8-track version. It will record 2 tracks at once and > I think it uses .wav format. > > The BR532 uses SmartMedia cards and has a hi-fi mode. I have seen used ones > going in the $200-$250 range. > > regards > > BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 22:10:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1838MS16078; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:08:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:08:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <42082231.1060509@creepingfog.com> References: <2b.6c4b0d2c.2f397967@aol.com> <42082231.1060509@creepingfog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7B20BFC0-797E-11D9-A193-001124721956@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: THE BEST CHEAP RECORDING SOLUTION Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:06:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Although I want one, I've refused to buy an iPod until high fidelity live recording is supported (fat chance!), but here is a site on how to hack your iPod to make it record at a higher bit rate. Can't say that I know anyone who has tried it though. http://createdigitalmusic.com/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=130 On Feb 7, 2005, at 6:21 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: > ok - since someone else hit 250, I submit the 20GB hardddrive based > portable mp3 player with recording capability: > > http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/product.asp? > catalog%5Fname=DigitalInnovationsCatalog&category%5Fname=Neuros+Players > &product%5Fid=4010301 > > (link might be wrapped) > > No first hand experience with it myself, but the specs are interesting. > It will record either MP3 or WAV (in stereo) (they also sell a > portable stereo mic preamp and mic unit). > > > On 2005.02.07 6:09 PM, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 2/7/05 5:34:38 PM, not8ohm@iinet.net.au writes: >> << the dat mechanisms are no longer being manufactured, so it is >> possible to find portable units around the us$150 mark, or so I have >> heard on the internet grapevine. >> >> Hi >> Boss made a 4-track digital recorder the BR532 that I think they have >> discontinued and replaced by an 8-track version. It will record 2 >> tracks at once and I think it uses .wav format. >> The BR532 uses SmartMedia cards and has a hi-fi mode. I have seen >> used ones going in the $200-$250 range. >> regards >> BobC > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 22:41:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j183eMP20564; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:40:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:40:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c50d8f$d70439f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Ineko for sale? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:39:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Akira practically doesn't exist. I got a line on one on E-bay from Ted Killian (thanks brother) and it went for $330!!!!!!!! Idiocy! "Don't you want the rackmount version, Akira, instead? Kris" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 7 23:03:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1841oR24855; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:01:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:01:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:54:17 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Ineko for sale? In-Reply-To: <006501c50d8f$d70439f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "Don't you want the rackmount version, Akira, instead? > The Akira practically doesn't exist. I got a line on one on E-bay from Ted > Killian (thanks brother) and it went for $330!!!!!!!! Idiocy! I saw that. Is the Akira stereo (or two independant Inekos)? Even if it is I personally would rather have the immediacy of the small handheld Ineko. The fact that it's still seriously undervalued is even better :) ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 00:27:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j185PYg04577; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:25:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:25:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Ineko for sale? / BOSS VF-1 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:24:28 -0700 Message-ID: <009301c50d9e$76872790$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <006501c50d8f$d70439f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 77, in=150, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com $330? Are you kidding. I got mine for $120. Cripes...I better keep this thing. -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:40 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Ineko for sale? The Akira practically doesn't exist. I got a line on one on E-bay from Ted Killian (thanks brother) and it went for $330!!!!!!!! Idiocy! "Don't you want the rackmount version, Akira, instead? Kris" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 00:33:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j185WnN06268; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:32:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:32:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Ineko for sale? / BOSS VF-1 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:32:14 -0700 Message-ID: <009401c50d9f$8bdc9f20$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 77, in=151, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn...never got to finish my last message and the gremlins hit the send key. Anyway, someone must be hording those Akiras somewhere. On a different note, I'm really loving the VF-1 now. Someone mentioned being able to assign the expression pedal to two different effect paramaters. I underestimated the power of this....mind boggling. In this respect, morphing aside, it seems more powerful than the Vortex. Though I still like this patch I made on the Vortex that sounds like one of the continental plates cracking down the center to the core of the earth. :) With a monster PA and sub system, I could crack skulls and turn brains to mush with these frequencies. I'd like to loop a 30hz frequency at 10,000 watts through 10 subs loaded with 18 inch bomb simulation speakers. It would be like a 10 kilometer alien ship landing on the stage. Massive. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:24 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Ineko for sale? / BOSS VF-1 $330? Are you kidding. I got mine for $120. Cripes...I better keep this thing. -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:40 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Ineko for sale? The Akira practically doesn't exist. I got a line on one on E-bay from Ted Killian (thanks brother) and it went for $330!!!!!!!! Idiocy! "Don't you want the rackmount version, Akira, instead? Kris" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 00:45:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j185iWS09551; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:44:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:44:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <420850FE.7090200@minds-eye.org> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:41:18 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ineko for sale? / BOSS VF-1 References: <009401c50d9f$8bdc9f20$6601a8c0@khartung> In-Reply-To: <009401c50d9f$8bdc9f20$6601a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Krispen Hartung wrote: >Damn...never got to finish my last message and the gremlins hit the send >key. Anyway, someone must be hording those Akiras somewhere. > >On a different note, I'm really loving the VF-1 now. Someone mentioned >being able to assign the expression pedal to two different effect >paramaters. > If I read the manual right, its four parameters actually. Big fun. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 00:58:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j185sXQ12433; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:54:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:54:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.218.119] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <009401c50d9f$8bdc9f20$6601a8c0@khartung> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Ineko for sale? / BOSS VF-1 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:53:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 05:54:00.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[9622E720:01C50DA2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I worked on the Dead's stage crew for awhile.They were running around 70,000 watts.Phil lesh was playing bass through 48, 18in John Meyers speakers.The system was capable of holographic effects and that made an entire stadium resonate like a drum shell.Lesh worked with subsonics quite a bit too.Some deadheads do seem to strike people as having had their brains turned to mush. the continental plates cracking down the center to the core of the earth.  :)  With a monster PA and sub system, I could crack skulls and turn brains to mush with these frequencies.   I'd like to loop a 30hz frequency at 10,000 watts through 10 subs loaded with 18 inch bomb simulation speakers.  It would be like a 10 kilometer alien ship landing on the stage.  Massive. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 02:32:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j187RsM31156; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:27:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:27:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.218.119] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: electronic music pioneers Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:26:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 07:27:00.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[94302BF0:01C50DAF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4486840 Nice story about Bebe and Louis Barron. Electronic music pioneers. Worth listening to, has interview with Bebe. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 02:47:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j187kEJ02905; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:46:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:46:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:41:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: electronic music pioneers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8Aet.A.0q.i4GCCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:26 PM -0800 2/7/05, samba - wrote: >http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4486840 > >Nice story about Bebe and Louis Barron. Electronic music pioneers. >Worth listening to, has interview with Bebe. You might also be interested in my article on the Barrons in issue #3 of e|i magazine. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 04:31:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j189UBn25545; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:30:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:30:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c50dc0$b2ed5f70$0100a8c0@Robin> From: "Cox" To: Subject: EDP and FC-200: Can I send only a "note off"? Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:29:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01C50DC9.1467ED30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C50DC9.1467ED30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. I would like to use my FC-200 to change the loop that's being played on = my EDP . I have a little problem: I use the "bank pedal up" to go to the next loop (located at = source # + 8). This way, I can go through my loops upwards. But it would = be convenient to reach the previous loop directly, without having to = press many times to get back to loop 1. I know it is possible if a pedal = sends only a 'note off" message on the Direct Midi function called = "SUSnext loop" (located at source # + 20). =20 So, does anyone know if I can set my FC-200 to send only a"note off" = command on "bank down"for example . In this case, the "bank up" would = be next loop (as it is already), and "bank down" previous loop... Thank you for helping ;-) ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C50DC9.1467ED30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello.
I would like to use my = FC-200 to=20 change the loop that's being played on my EDP . I have a little=20 problem:
    =    =20     I use the "bank pedal up" to go to the next loop = (located at=20 source # + 8). This way, I can go through my loops upwards. But it = would be=20 convenient to reach the previous loop directly, without having to=20 press many times to get back to loop 1. I know it is possible if=20 a pedal sends only a 'note off" message on the Direct Midi function = called=20 "SUSnext loop" (located at source # + 20).        =
So, does anyone know if I = can set my=20 FC-200 to send only a"note off" command  on "bank down"for = example .=20 In this case, the "bank up" would be next loop (as it is already), and = "bank=20 down" previous loop...
 
Thank you for helping=20 ;-)
------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C50DC9.1467ED30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 08:14:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18DBwX32322; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:11:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:11:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00af01c50ddf$a71386b0$0707a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <2b.6c4b0d2c.2f397967@aol.com> <42082231.1060509@creepingfog.com> <7B20BFC0-797E-11D9-A193-001124721956@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: THE BEST CHEAP RECORDING SOLUTION Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:11:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wouldn't Apple sue anyone out of existence for uttering such heresy? :) | Although I want one, I've refused to buy an iPod until high fidelity | live recording is supported (fat chance!), but here is a site on how to | hack your iPod to make it record at a higher bit rate. Can't say that I | know anyone who has tried it though. | | http://createdigitalmusic.com/index.php? | option=com_content&task=view&id=130 | | On Feb 7, 2005, at 6:21 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: | | > ok - since someone else hit 250, I submit the 20GB hardddrive based | > portable mp3 player with recording capability: | > | > http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/product.asp? | > catalog%5Fname=DigitalInnovationsCatalog&category%5Fname=Neuros+Players | > &product%5Fid=4010301 | > | > (link might be wrapped) | > | > No first hand experience with it myself, but the specs are interesting. | > It will record either MP3 or WAV (in stereo) (they also sell a | > portable stereo mic preamp and mic unit). | > | > | > On 2005.02.07 6:09 PM, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: | >> In a message dated 2/7/05 5:34:38 PM, not8ohm@iinet.net.au writes: | >> << the dat mechanisms are no longer being manufactured, so it is | >> possible to find portable units around the us$150 mark, or so I have | >> heard on the internet grapevine. >> | >> Hi | >> Boss made a 4-track digital recorder the BR532 that I think they have | >> discontinued and replaced by an 8-track version. It will record 2 | >> tracks at once and I think it uses .wav format. | >> The BR532 uses SmartMedia cards and has a hi-fi mode. I have seen | >> used ones going in the $200-$250 range. | >> regards | >> BobC | > | > | > | | | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 08:45:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18Dhoc05608; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:43:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:43:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <00af01c50ddf$a71386b0$0707a8c0@eluk> References: <2b.6c4b0d2c.2f397967@aol.com> <42082231.1060509@creepingfog.com> <7B20BFC0-797E-11D9-A193-001124721956@zoekeating.com> <00af01c50ddf$a71386b0$0707a8c0@eluk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4847c5cde4540afc7b6ba482a148d095@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: THE BEST CHEAP RECORDING SOLUTION Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:43:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 8, 2005, at 14:11, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Wouldn't Apple sue anyone out of existence for uttering such heresy? :) This is just a case of running Linux on the iPod. Not more criminal than running OS 9 or Windows 3 on a computer. Manufacturing computer hardware doesn't give the rights to dictate which software should be used by others together with the hardware. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 09:46:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18Eiou18569; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:44:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:44:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Ineko for sale? / BOSS VF-1 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:43:19 -0700 Message-ID: <00a101c50dec$88133410$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 77, in=173, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j18EhSS18226 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of sub-sonics, the Akira has a sub-bass patch that I use for bass simulation....but is is savage and almost impossible to controll. If I put it before any effect, it redlines it, if I put it after, it redlines the board, just by applying the super low frequencies. It is a wonderful sound, and the last I used it live, I was able to really move the earth, even with my acoustic guitar. Basically, I'm going to dedicate one of my compressors just to the output of this unit. Incidentally, I was only half joking about those bomb simulation speakers. I once read that bassist Billy Sheehan used bomb simulation speakers from the military. They had drivers on them that were cable of delivering huge shock waves and impacts, pointed down. Kris -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Ineko for sale? / BOSS VF-1 I worked on the Dead's stage crew for awhile.They were running around 70,000 watts.Phil lesh was playing bass through 48, 18in John Meyers speakers.The system was capable of holographic effects and that made an entire stadium resonate like a drum shell.Lesh worked with subsonics quite a bit too.Some deadheads do seem to strike people as having had their brains turned to mush. the continental plates cracking down the center to the core of the earth.  :)  With a monster PA and sub system, I could crack skulls and turn brains to mush with these frequencies.   I'd like to loop a 30hz frequency at 10,000 watts through 10 subs loaded with 18 inch bomb simulation speakers.  It would be like a 10 kilometer alien ship landing on the stage.  Massive. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 11:46:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18Gee307109; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:40:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:40:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 68.221.251.174 Message-ID: <4208EB14.3010503@funkstille.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:38:44 -0500 From: Matt Cordrey User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Feedback pedal options for the EDP. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_4-KH.A.kqB.usOCCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wondering if the Roland EV-5 suits the EDP for Feedback control? If not, suggestions? Thanks. Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 11:48:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18GkCi08516; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:46:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:46:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qgaw552V/6rOewS4kM4wMuNzbKCZuOTk6utpLG4W994NdCSTihNl9qvxV3yqT/cE++7E3hWtgPbJsG/QSqPu1TdFz8MokK460UHE2W2Ozj9q8QcJNcT3yty7teKVlvqMQ5yeblZcudZc0v4bCmHQ3V7ImrMIjJ60pnOyVSGbMPM= Message-ID: <588ce11d05020808453aceed7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:45:28 -0800 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: reproducing fripp/riley tape delay In-Reply-To: <39946ad4d0035de10529451d6e8b7342@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D44@lon-oxmail02> <39946ad4d0035de10529451d6e8b7342@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are willing to use a Windows computer, there is some free software called Elottronix XL designed specifically to emulate "Frippertronics": http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_news.htm On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:35:46 +0000, Kevin Harrison wrote: > Hi Duncan, > > Yeh, the beauty of the 2 revox method is the artifacts that build up, > plus you end up with a finished recording on tape. > I guess I'm looking for a small portable digital thang to do something > similar. I think the Line 6 rack version would probably be too > expensive for me. > > Thanks for your thoughts > > Kevin > > www.dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk > > > On Feb 07, 2005, at 16:06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > >>I have in the past used 2 revox(es) to achieve frippertronic/terry > > riley type improvisations. I'm tempted to go for the DL-4, (sounds > > good from what I've seen written about it)<< > > > > I've used the two-tape-deck system on & off since 1978.... I didn't > > even know who fripp was then, & copied the idea from a picture I saw > > of the bbc radiophonics workshop. > > > > what I was actually trying to do was get a better echo effect, by > > running the tape at a high speed for the fidelity, but using the > > second deck's replay system to extend the delay time /as a simple > > musical effect/. > > > > I didn't realise then (too impatient to do the sums, I expect) that > > what I would end up with was a very long delay indeed, even with the > > machines side-by-side & running at 7.5ips. > > > > & so I got quite a surprise when I ran the whole thing up. > > > > I say again, I had not yet heard music made with this technique. by > > the time I discovered "no pussyfooting", I regarded the technique as a > > studio-staple; "surely everyone is aware of this trick", like ADT or > > flanging with two decks. > > > > I started out with two ferrographs.... but I've also used pairs of > > revox a77's & pairs of uher portables to achieve the same thing. > > > > what's special about the use of tape decks is (or can be, anyway) the > > quality of the recording itself. you will gradually accumulate all > > sorts of multi-generational tape artefacts, such as hiss, rumble > > ("rock noise"), 2nd & 3rd order distortion, dropout, wow, flutter..... > > & the fun to be had increases if you have easy access to the biasing > > of the first deck, &/or any of the eq adjustments. then there's > > flicking the tape as it traverses the void between record & play. > > moving the decks further apart or closer together. pinching the tape > > to make it squeal. lifting the tape off of the erase head to let > > random old noises through into the piece. varying the azimuth on the > > play-deck on a sustained note to create a phasing effect... > > > > the nearest approximation I've heard of these qualities has been the > > tape-delay emulation on the dl4. it doesn't go quite slow/long enough > > for the two-deck sound, but I suspect the rack-version does. I should > > get one really, but hooking up the two tape machines is still a lot of > > fun, & you get to keep the recording afterwards too. :-) > > > > duncan/r.m.i. > > > > > > > > *********************************************************************** > > **** > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > > affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this > > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > > > MTV Networks Europe > > > > *********************************************************************** > > **** > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 12:18:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18HFt715426; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:15:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:15:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050208171242.02b2d710@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:14:15 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Feedback pedal options for the EDP. In-Reply-To: <200502081648.j18GmWH09057@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502081648.j18GmWH09057@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 16:48 08/02/05, you wrote: >Just wondering if the Roland EV-5 suits the EDP for Feedback control? no >If not, suggestions? Boss FV50L >Thanks. >Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 12:30:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18HS4M18083; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:28:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:28:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4208F5AE.1000201@speakeasy.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:23:58 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Feedback pedal options for the EDP. References: <4208EB14.3010503@funkstille.com> In-Reply-To: <4208EB14.3010503@funkstille.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tried the EV-5 on my EDP+ and it operates but not over the complete 0-127 range. No matter how I adjust the calibration knob on the EV-5 it always tops out at 125. Since I do most of my loops with feedback at 127 it's frustratingly close to what I need but essentially useless. Is there a way to calibrate the EV-5 or EDP+ so I can get the range up to 127??? Dennis Matt Cordrey wrote: > Just wondering if the Roland EV-5 suits the EDP for Feedback control? > If not, suggestions? > > Thanks. > Matt > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 12:37:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18HYCY19530; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:34:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:34:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: More Nels Cline Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:32:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi list, Wasn't ppl talking about guitarrist Nels Cline on this list yesterday? Well, here's what dropped into my inbox today. From the Cycling 74 newsletter: 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 4) The newest release on the c74 music label is Proceed, a live recording by CRATER, a band featuring jhno using radiaL, Scott Amendola on drums, and Nels Cline on guitar. We invite you to check out the MP3 excerpts to get a taste of this gorgeous album of electric improvisation. http://www.cycling74.com/c74/music/010.html 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 12:41:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18Hbsd20580; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:37:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:37:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050208112919.10645060@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:35:31 -0600 To: From: Mech Subject: Alesis Akira/Grip and Sub-Bass (was RE: Ineko for sale?) In-Reply-To: <00a101c50dec$88133410$6601a8c0@khartung> References: <00a101c50dec$88133410$6601a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:43 AM 2/8/2005, Krispen Hartung wrote: >Speaking of sub-sonics, the Akira has a sub-bass patch that I use for >bass simulation....but is is savage and almost impossible to controll. >If I put it before any effect, it redlines it, if I put it after, it >redlines the board, just by applying the super low frequencies. It is a >wonderful sound, and the last I used it live, I was able to really move >the earth, even with my acoustic guitar. Basically, I'm going to >dedicate one of my compressors just to the output of this unit. Krispen, Have you looked at the Alesis Grip? I haven't played with one myself, but in looking through the manual it seems to be a dedicated unit built solely around the same sub-bass algorithm as the Akira. It does have quite a bit more controllability, however. Might be worth checking out if you're not so crazy about dedicating your Akira plus one of your compressors solely to managing your bass frequencies. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 12:51:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18Hm8222718; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:48:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:48:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:47:43 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: THE BEST CHEAP RECORDING SOLUTION To: Per Boysen , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005401c50e06$54555bc0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <4847c5cde4540afc7b6ba482a148d095@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Depending on how you want to record, you might want to pick up a CD burner/recorder. I have a Philips CD burner that I record direct into - it has a couple of RCA audio input jacks in the back. You can pick up the unit (model 795?) for about $200/$250 and document any stereo audio event for the cost of a blank *music* CD. (That's a tiny snag - standard data CDs won't work, but music CDs can be had for only pennies more - I just bought 100 for about $65.) Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 13:04:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18I0rX25501; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:00:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:00:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <15c.49b0e34f.2f3a57db@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:58:51 EST Subject: Re: Alesis Akira/Grip and Sub-Bass (was RE: Ineko for sale?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15c.49b0e34f.2f3a57db_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <02Rvi.A.-GG.m3PCCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15c.49b0e34f.2f3a57db_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Kids, There may not be any Alesis Akiras (or Grips for that matter) up on eBay at the moment but there still are a couple of Inekos there: http://search.ebay.com/alesis-ineko_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQsojsZ1QQfromZ= R10QQcatrefZC6QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsadisZ200QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1 Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_15c.49b0e34f.2f3a57db_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey  Kids,

There may not be any Alesis Akiras (or Grips for that matter) up
on eBay at the moment but there still are a couple of Inekos there:

http://search.ebay.com/alesis-ineko_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQsojsZ1QQfr= omZR10QQcatrefZC6QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsadisZ200QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_15c.49b0e34f.2f3a57db_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 13:05:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18I15F25548; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:01:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:01:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: Subject: Re: More Nels Cline Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:59:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 18:00:01.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[025B9210:01C50E08] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw them live a couple of years ago, and it was really great stuff. Scott Amendola (drums) was looping a little with a digitech delay and a kaoss pad, Nels was being Nels with his eh16sec delay, and jhno was dropping great stuff in with his laptop. If I recall correctly, there was a bass player, Todd Sickafoose. They also had a wonderful visual video artist doing live improvised abstract video. She just had a DV cam and a whole playground of lights and objects which she filmed in creative ways in response to the music - no processing whatsoever. Really awesome! I would highly recomend seeing these guys live if you get the chance, I know they tour the US somewhat. Also, if you come across any recordings by jhno, I highly recomend him as well. Jon > 4) The newest release on the c74 music label is Proceed, a live recording > by CRATER, a band featuring jhno using radiaL, Scott Amendola on drums, > and Nels Cline on guitar. We invite you to check out the MP3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 13:44:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18IdgB00651; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:39:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:39:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31710301.1107887899786.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:38:19 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alesis Akira/Grip and Sub-Bass (was RE: Ineko for sale?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
thanks...I have seen them...alas, they are going to break the $100 bar= rier.


-----Original Message-----
From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Sent: Feb 8, 2005 12:58 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alesis Akira/Grip and Sub-Bass (was RE: Ineko for sale?)
Hey  Kids,

There may= not be any Alesis Akiras (or Grips for that matter) up
on eBay at the m= oment but there still are a couple of Inekos there:

http://search.ebay= .com/alesis-ineko_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQsojsZ1QQfromZR10QQcatrefZC6QQf= trtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsadisZ200QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1

Best regards,

tEd =AE= kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always diffe= rent"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/= tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageb= and.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid= =3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
h= ttp://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted = Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, R= hapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindow= s, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, C= atchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah= . So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an = artist."
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 13:55:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18Ikur02266; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:46:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:46:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Ineko for sale? / BOSS VF-1 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:46:10 -0700 Message-ID: <00ab01c50e0e$757ca080$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20982757.1107877422693.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 77, in=154, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kris: "Though I still like this patch I made on the Vortex that sounds like one of the continental plates cracking down the center to the core of the earth. :) " Tim: Will you share this patch with your fellow Vortexians? I'll understand if you want to keep it to yourself. ~Tim Kris: Absolutely. I'm on the Reflexion 1 patch, A setting....but I think I copied another patch into this location. MIX: 64 OUTPUT: 64 MOD FX LVL: 64 ECHO FX LVL: 30 MORPH A/B: 14 ENVELOPE: 64 ECHO 1: 02 ECHO 2: 04 FEEDBACK 1: 36 FEEDBACK 2: 41 RATE 1: 30 DEPTH 1: 30 RESONANCE 1: 44 RATE 2: 58 (Expression Pedal assigned to this) DEPTH 2: 64 RESONANCE 2: 55 It sounds even better if you put a 1 or 2 octave lower on your signal before or after the Vortex. Play a chord on the lower strings, and slowly ease the expression pedal up. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 13:58:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18IoP903163; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:50:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:50:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [169.237.134.152] X-Originating-Email: [blood_vessel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: blood_vessel@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <31710301.1107887899786.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> From: "jacob !" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looking to buy Boss Dr. Sample and DD-20 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:48:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_8b5_3cb9_927" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 18:49:00.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA48EAF0:01C50E0E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_8b5_3cb9_927 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm scouring ebay for these items too but thought maybe someone on here might have ones that they are looking to get rid of or whatever. Anyway if you do have either a boss dr sample 202 (or 303) or a boss giga delay dd-20 that you would like to sell please contact me. Thanks, Jacob ------=_NextPart_000_8b5_3cb9_927 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-SID-PRA: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-SID-Result: TempError X-Message-Info: HQbIehuYceQPox6zaR/tdSBRDatq5orpm1Odwdao2hQ= Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc3-f7.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:39:51 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18IcVg00473; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:38:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:38:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31710301.1107887899786.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:38:19 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alesis Akira/Grip and Sub-Bass (was RE: Ineko for sale?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 18:39:52.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[936C28F0:01C50E0D]
thanks...I have seen them...alas, they are going to break the $100 barrier.


-----Original Message-----
From: ArsOcarina@aol.com
Sent: Feb 8, 2005 12:58 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Alesis Akira/Grip and Sub-Bass (was RE: Ineko for sale?)

Hey  Kids,

There may not be any Alesis Akiras (or Grips for that matter) up
on eBay at the moment but there still are a couple of Inekos there:

http://search.ebay.com/alesis-ineko_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQsojsZ1QQfromZR10QQcatrefZC6QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsadisZ200QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
------=_NextPart_000_8b5_3cb9_927-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 13:59:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18It9h04271; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:55:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:49:18 -0500 Subject: Gig spam: Loopage at the Monkey in 5.1 with video by member Todd Reynolds From: todd reynolds To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j18IsSS04140 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CONCERTS THIS WEEKEND, DETAILS BELOW Tell us you're an LD member upon advancedly reserve a seat, and you receive a 25% discount, tell us the night of, and you receive a 20% discount. Portions of the press release follow with dates and times at the bottom. The Monkey is a 35 seat venue, please call for reservations. (it's cheaper too.) ======================================================== Todd Reynolds Loops and Constructions in Surround Sound 5.1 with special guests Video artist Luc Dubois, Sound artist Jody Elff, and Laptop artist Jesse Stiles ________________________________________________________________ >From February 11-13, Violinist Todd Reynolds will bring his unique blend of improvisation and composition with looping and electronic music to The MONKEY 5.1, New York's only 5.1 surround sound performance venue (37 west 26th st. suite 1201 ph# 212-481-1601 ). Todd Reynolds is one of the most active musicians in the New York scene performing regularly with his own string quartet Ethel, Yo Yo Ma, Steve Reich and Michael Gordon among countless others. He is a composer with a unique voice - one that defies categorization and defines innovation. Drawing from the numerous music styles which he has studied and mastered, Reynolds creates music which is fresh yet familiar, topical yet timeless. Always a modern artist first, Todd is not bound by tradition when creating his works. He often pairs the violin with electronics, amplification, computers and video. At the Monkey 5.1, he will collaborate with long time colleagues, Video artist Luc Dubois, Sound artist Jody Elff and Laptop artist Jesse Stiles. This will be Todd's first performance series in 5.1-surround sound. Join us for what is slated to be one of the hottest musical events of the year. All five of Todd¹s performances will be recorded for a live CD that will be released March 1, 2005. This will be the first in a series of performances by various artists live at Monkey that will be available on CD and audio DVD. Todd Reynolds - Looping in 5.1 surround Friday, February 11th at 8:00 and 10:00 pm Saturday, February 12th at 8;00 and 10:00 pm Sunday, February 13th at 8:00 pm Tickets: $20 with advanced purchase 25$ at the door. Special CD Offer: Receive a CD of Todd¹s performance at The Monkey via US mail upon it release (March 1 2005) for an additional $10. Reservations for this event can be made by visiting http://dominicfrasca.com or by calling 212 481-1601. RESERVATIONS ARE HIGHLY RECOMMENDED From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 14:00:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18Isc904194; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:54:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:54:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Alesis Akira/Grip and Sub-Bass (was RE: Ineko for sale?) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:52:48 -0700 Message-ID: <00af01c50e0f$628181c0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050208112919.10645060@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 77, in=184, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't check out the Grip, but I think I'm finally getting the sub-bass on the Akira under controll. I'm using the Behringer line mixer/splitter now to split the AUX out of my Mackie, then I come back to the board with four of my stereo effects, including the Akira. I tweaked the low end EQ and trim settings of the Akira channel so it redlines less. I still might put a limiter on it, though...if I get excited and pluck a low guitar string too hard...red lines go on everywhere. I love the sub-bass patch on the Akira, however....it is so much different than a traditional octave effect....very smooth, deep, and non-descript. It's kind of hard to tell whether it is dropping an octave or two lower. The Akira does have some decent control of the effect in its parameters as well: sub-base level (like mix), multi-band limiter threshold (adds sustain), and low cut (determines which frequency to add the sub-bass effect) Kris -----Original Message----- From: Mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Alesis Akira/Grip and Sub-Bass (was RE: Ineko for sale?) At 08:43 AM 2/8/2005, Krispen Hartung wrote: >Speaking of sub-sonics, the Akira has a sub-bass patch that I use for >bass simulation....but is is savage and almost impossible to controll. >If I put it before any effect, it redlines it, if I put it after, it >redlines the board, just by applying the super low frequencies. It is >a wonderful sound, and the last I used it live, I was able to really >move the earth, even with my acoustic guitar. Basically, I'm going to >dedicate one of my compressors just to the output of this unit. Krispen, Have you looked at the Alesis Grip? I haven't played with one myself, but in looking through the manual it seems to be a dedicated unit built solely around the same sub-bass algorithm as the Akira. It does have quite a bit more controllability, however. Might be worth checking out if you're not so crazy about dedicating your Akira plus one of your compressors solely to managing your bass frequencies. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 14:03:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18J00S05745; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:00:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:00:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <61EEC373-7A03-11D9-B8C9-0050E44E5755@balanceman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Joel Fuller , EzraLi , drnorm@threeringranch.org, droliver@katfive.com, "Looper's Delight Mailing List ((E-mail))" From: "J. Goody" Subject: http://www.exploratorium.edu/music/index.html Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:58:13 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fun online isht: http://www.exploratorium.edu/music/index.html PS: MATMOS will be playing @ exploratorium in the next little bit. I went to the site to find the performance date and got distracted by the toys. . . JG http://www.balanceman.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 14:15:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18JC8g08532; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:12:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:12:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:10:58 -0800 Subject: Re: THE BEST CHEAP RECORDING SOLUTION From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007301c50d78$51b30310$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3190705859_11004333" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3190705859_11004333 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Warning: this response is also a shameless plug to encourage list members t= o listen to my music. (all feedback welcome) ----- I generally record directly into an MD recorder through a Behringer Eurorac= k mixer, and then master on a Roland VS 1680. I strongly recommend both types of tools if you=B9re not ready to make the jump to computer recording. Like Rick says, the mini Sony MD recorder/player is an awesome tool (sucks that they=B9ve jacked the price. I=B9ll be more careful not to abuse mine!) You can also get cool mini-stereos with built-in MD recorders in Japan=8Bmine is an Onkyo, and it makes a great low-rent recording studio complete with monitoring. I=B9m sure you can get a VS 880 or 1680 tres cheap nowadays. I=B9d go for the 1680. Get one with both effects cards, and you=B9ve got a good basic mobile recording studio. If you want to check out some material that was recorded using these tools, there=B9s stuff on either of the websites listed below or try these selections: - to hear a multitracked =B3studio=B2 recording using the VS 1680 try =B3kaleidoscope=B2 at =20 http://www.envelopeproductions.com/sounds_page/or_sounds_page.html - to hear the straight to MD/ VS 1680 results try =B3by satellite=B2 or =B3laika=B2 at =20 http://www.envelopeproductions.com/ghost7_index/ghost7_music/ghost7_music.h= t ml or any of the live Orange material at http://www.envelopeproductions.com/sounds_page/or_sounds_page.html (Some of the live stuff is sonically a bit less than ideal due to funky rooms, ba= d mic placement, etc.) =B3Without Theory=B2 on http://cdbaby.com/ghost7 is also a good example of MD t= o VS 1680 - =20 d --=20 ghost7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 on 2/7/05 4:51 PM, loop.pool at looppool@cruzio.com wrote: > I was heartbroken to have my Sony recording MD player break down, > irrevocably, on me recently. > I did almost my entire live looping CD with that machine. >=20 > I was also chagrined to find that Sony no longer offers an inexpensive > recording MD player (mine was > about $150 when I purchased it) and instead, cynically, only offers one = for > about $300. Is there one on the market > in that cheaper range (sub $200)? >=20 > Anyway, I had a conversation with a musician here while back (who I ca= n't > even remember) who swears by the > latest Mpeg format for recording. He said the fidelity is amazing. >=20 > ************** > ************** >=20 > I am wondering: with all you experts on this list: >=20 >=20 > WHAT IS THE BEST LIVE RECORDING MEDIUM THAT IS INEXPENSIVE (please don't > say a laptop). > I mean, is there any elegant solution under $200? >=20 > as a subcategory for this thread, I'd also be curious what the distinctio= n > is in fidelity between Mini Disc and > say, mp3s or other media. >=20 >=20 > thanks, Rick=20 >=20 --B_3190705859_11004333 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: THE BEST CHEAP RECORDING SOLUTION Warning: this response is also a shameless plug to enc= ourage list members to listen to my music. (all feedback welcome)

-----

I generally record directly into an MD recorder through a Behringer Eurorac= k mixer, and then master on a Roland VS 1680. I strongly recommend both type= s of tools if you’re not ready to make the jump to computer recording.= Like Rick says, the mini Sony MD recorder/player is an awesome tool (sucks = that they’ve jacked the price. I’ll be more careful not to abuse= mine!) You can also get cool mini-stereos with built-in MD recorders in Jap= an—mine is an Onkyo, and it makes a great low-rent recording studio co= mplete with monitoring.

I’m sure you can get a VS 880 or 1680 tres cheap nowadays. I’d = go for the 1680. Get one with both effects cards, and you’ve got a goo= d basic mobile recording studio.

If you want to check out some material that was recorded using these tools,= there’s stuff on either of the websites listed below or try these sel= ections:


- to hear a multitracked “studio” recording using the VS 1680 t= ry “kaleidoscope” at  http://www.envelopeproductions.com/so= unds_page/or_sounds_page.html  

- to hear the straight to MD/ VS 1680 results try “by satellite”= ; or “laika” at  http://www.envelopeproductions.com/ghost7_= index/ghost7_music/ghost7_music.html   or any of the live Orange m= aterial at http://www.envelopeproductions.com/sounds_page/or_sounds_page.htm= l    (Some of the live stuff is sonically a bit less than ide= al due to funky rooms, bad mic placement, etc.)

“Without Theory” on http://cdbaby.com/ghost7 is also a good exa= mple of MD to VS 1680


-  

d

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ghost7 | Orange
http://www.envelopeproductions.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7




on 2/7/05 4:51 PM, loop.pool at looppool@cruzio.com wrote:

I was heartbroken to have my Sony r= ecording MD player break down,
irrevocably, on me recently.
I did almost my entire live looping CD with that machine.

I was also chagrined to find that Sony no longer offers an inexpensive
recording MD player (mine was
about  $150 when I purchased it) and instead, cynically, only offers o= ne for
about $300.   Is there one on the market
in that cheaper range (sub $200)?

Anyway,    I had a conversation with a musician here while b= ack (who I can't
even remember) who swears by the
latest Mpeg format for recording.   He said the fidelity is amazi= ng.

**************
**************

I am wondering:    with all you experts on this list:


WHAT IS THE BEST LIVE RECORDING MEDIUM THAT IS INEXPENSIVE  (please do= n't
say a laptop).
I mean,  is there any elegant solution under $200?

as a subcategory for this thread, I'd also be curious what the distinction =
is in fidelity between Mini Disc and
say,  mp3s or other media.


thanks,   Rick


--B_3190705859_11004333-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 14:22:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18JJG210679; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:19:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:19:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Trusted: Whitelisted Message-ID: <42091097.4080109@gawab.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:18:47 -0500 From: jacob smoller User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE BEST CHEAP RECORDING SOLUTION References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2pH7h.A.NiC.aBRCCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Something to check out as well: I use a NEX I/A+ MP3 recorder. The + model has a line in option, where the I/A does not. It records onto either Microdives or CF cards. You can peruse them at MYDIGITALDISCOUNT.COM. I got mine with a 1 GB CF card for $125 shipped. It also works as an MP3 player, obviously. It sounds pretty good (nothing too noticable about the compression, although it's obviously still MP3 quality). It is a little delicate/cheap feeling, and it doesn't have an input monitor, so you're going blind on your recording level, which I hate, but other then that, great deal for the money! Jacob robberdotcom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 14:56:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18Jq8e19613; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:52:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:52:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:12:05 -0500 From: Adrian Likins To: Krispen Hartung Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alesis Akira/Grip and Sub-Bass (was RE: Ineko for sale?) Message-ID: <20050208191204.GB4678@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050208112919.10645060@gemini.lunarpages.com> <00af01c50e0f$628181c0$6601a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00af01c50e0f$628181c0$6601a8c0@khartung> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 11:52:48AM -0700, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I love the sub-bass patch on the Akira, however....it is so much > different than a traditional octave effect....very smooth, deep, and > non-descript. It's kind of hard to tell whether it is dropping an > octave or two lower. The Akira does have some decent control of the > effect in its parameters as well: sub-base level (like mix), multi-band > limiter threshold (adds sustain), and low cut (determines which > frequency to add the sub-bass effect) > Interesting. I've got an ineko on the way, and I love various sub bass type effects. Shaking everything in the room at live shows is always fun. One of my favorite live moments was hitting some low notes on a stick->danelectro octave (chillidog) -> moogerfooger low pass filter -> dod meatbox[1] and having all the hanging lights in the room shaking. Now if I only had about 20x as much amplification, then I could have some real fun ;-> [1] Talk about sub bass, those things are out of control. A must have for a serious noise rig. Adrian http://www.phasmatodea.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 15:11:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18K8Ic23809; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:08:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:08:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050208200101.02b05160@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:06:20 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #76 In-Reply-To: <200502080052.j180qsD24396@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502080052.j180qsD24396@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 00:52 08/02/05, you wrote: >Hi Andy > >Thank you! > >With your hint about SamplerStyle=Att I found it in the manual p. 9-27: > If you do a long-press of the NoteOn trigger for the current loop, > the loop will be Reset. This is not the case when SamplerStyle=Att. > In that case the currently loop is just retriggered and played as > normal for SamplerStyle=Att." >I hadn't found it, because I only scanned the manual for the search term >"LoopTrig"... > >But now you've opened the can of worms... on page 9-26: > DOUBLE-CLICK RECORD > If the current loop is in reset, and you double-click the NoteOn > trigger for the current loop, the Echoplex will start Record. >I did not get this behaviour (though I'd love to have it)! Double-clicking >NoteOn does nothing. I tried by sending the corresponding NoteOff and >without sending the NoteOffs but to no avail. >How about you? Works here OK with my default settings. But not with every setup. I'll look into it more and report back. For multiple loops I've been using Autorecord=On ..but this offers more flexibility andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 16:30:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18LNN410777; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:23:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:23:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050208210027.02b21130@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:21:27 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: EDP double click record In-Reply-To: <200502080052.j180qsD24396@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502080052.j180qsD24396@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1k_9YB.A.glC.h2SCCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 00:52 08/02/05, you wrote: >But now you've opened the can of worms... on page 9-26: > DOUBLE-CLICK RECORD > If the current loop is in reset, and you double-click the NoteOn > trigger for the current loop, the Echoplex will start Record. >I did not get this behaviour (though I'd love to have it)! Double-clicking >NoteOn does nothing. I tried by sending the corresponding NoteOff and >without sending the NoteOffs but to no avail. >How about you? Works just like the manual says when SwitchQuant = Cnf the term "double-click" is misleading, as this often means that the clicks must be close together. (which is not the case here) the SwitchQuant=Off AutoRecord=On Combination seems to be much more fun. great for setting up a group of loops and jumping between them. eg from Global reset hit a series of LoopTrigs one after the other as you play a bass scale. ...and instantly you have a set of bass pedals always remember the Global reset (longMult from reset, or directMidi) before you try this though andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 18:24:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18NE8Z02877; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:14:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:14:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Zurich Loopfest 2005 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:12:29 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1_Y4zB.A.Lp.cdUCCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know of course I'd love to, and as we have just bought our house, I'm not sure if I can afford the trip, however I'd love to explore any available means to make it happen. I have just gotten back on line with LD so I did not see your original post. Thanks Bernard Bill -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Zurich Loopfest 2005 Hi Andy Did you see my post to LD regarding Zurich Loopfest 2005 ? It would be great to have you perform at the festival! I can send you a letter of endorsement if you would like to apply for grants. Best, Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 18:24:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18NN2u04447; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:23:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:23:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050208210027.02b21130@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200502080052.j180qsD24396@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.0.14.0.20050208210027.02b21130@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:11:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: EDP double click record Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1104217656==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1104217656==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:21 PM +0000 2/8/05, a k butler wrote: >the term "double-click" is misleading, as this often means that the clicks >must be close together. I'd that it always means that. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1104217656==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: EDP double click record
At 9:21 PM +0000 2/8/05, a k butler wrote:

the term "double-click" is misleading, as this often means that the clicks
must be close together.

I'd that it always means that.
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--============_-1104217656==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 19:19:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j190DcR13022; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:13:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:13:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Z=FCrich_Loopfest_2005?= Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:14:58 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3E43047D-77E6-11D9-9302-003065635BE0@erdbeerhund.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Danilo Thank you for your interest. I'm afraid I couldn't find anything loop-related about your band. Yet, this is a live looping festival! Best if you check the websites of prior loopfests: http://cavestudio.com/LD_J/ http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 http://sanfrancisco.tribe.net/tribe/d223432c-e4f4-4692-8ec6-4c23f653f3ae?r=1 0535 http://www.armatronix.com/ Best, Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Danilo [mailto:danilo@erdbeerhund.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 6. Februar 2005 03:25 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Zürich Loopfest 2005 > > > Hi Bernhard, > > Yeah, I would like to play with my band MISSIS RAINTOWN. ( > http://www.missisraintown.com ). Let me know more about it please. You > can contact us via the contact link of our website. > > Danilo > > Am 31.01.2005 um 13:39 schrieb Bernhard Wagner: > > > Dear Fellow Loop Infested > > > > I was fortunate enough in 2004 to play at several of the wonderful > > loopfests > > organized by members of this list and would like to propose a > > loopfestival > > in Zürich 2005. I'm aiming at 2nd half of August. > > > > Please let me know if you are interested in performing or organizing a > > loopfest yourself around that time in order to avoid collisions. > > > > Details to follow > > > > Bernhard > > http://looop.biz > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 19:50:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j190mJO19249; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:48:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:48:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42095CB7.6090603@speakeasy.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:43:35 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electronic music pioneers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI: The book "Electronic and Experimental Music" by Thom Holmes also has a few pages (and photo) on the Barron's contributions. Dennis samba - wrote: > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4486840 > > Nice story about Bebe and Louis Barron. Electronic music pioneers. > Worth listening to, has interview with Bebe. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 20:43:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j191dfO29452; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:39:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:39:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c50e49$141a5a40$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Subject: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:45:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C50E1F.2955EFC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.199.216] at Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:39:12 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <7JGW7C.A.DLH.FnWCCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C50E1F.2955EFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a link to MP3s of John Bonham drum tracks from the In Through The = Out Door record. I'm not sure how long these will stay here, so you = might want to rip copies quickly! Lots of looping possibilities... :-) http://www.disndat.info/bonham/ Also, feel free to grab copies of UNDO and Super-Cannes for your = listening pleasure. UNDO:=20 http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=3Dlisting_= song_artist Super-Cannes http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?tag=3Dl= isting_song_artist ENJOY! David Kirkdorffer ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C50E1F.2955EFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's a link to MP3s of John = Bonham drum=20 tracks from the In Through The Out Door record.  I'm=20 not sure how long these will stay here, so you might want to rip copies=20 quickly!  Lots of looping = possibilities... :-)

http://www.disndat.info/bonham/

 

Also, feel = free to=20 grab copies of UNDO and Super-Cannes for your listening=20 pleasure.

 

UNDO:=20

http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-10033328= 6.html?tag=3Dlisting_song_artist

 

Super-Cannes

http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-83= 62_32-100343783.html?tag=3Dlisting_song_artist

 

 

ENJOY!

 

David=20 Kirkdorffer

 

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C50E1F.2955EFC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 21:00:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j191xNO00752; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:59:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:59:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42096E64.5050507@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:59:00 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s References: <000e01c50e49$141a5a40$0affff0a@hppav> In-Reply-To: <000e01c50e49$141a5a40$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com UN-real! Wow - I knew he was great, but that helps seal it. If any of you listen... am I hearing things, or is he grunting and screaming as he plays? I'm almost sure I hear it on "Track 18" from the first URL. Coolio. Thanks! Dig David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Here's a link to MP3s of John Bonham drum tracks from the In Through > The Out Door record. I'm not sure how long these will stay here, so > you might want to rip copies quickly! Lots of looping > possibilities... :-) > > http://www.disndat.info/bonham/ > > > > Also, feel free to grab copies of UNDO and Super-Cannes for your > listening pleasure. > > > > UNDO: > > http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=listing_song_artist > > > > Super-Cannes > > http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?tag=listing_song_artist > > > > > > ENJOY! > > > > David Kirkdorffer > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 21:05:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1924EC01645; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:04:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:04:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c50e4c$7b11e1c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <000e01c50e49$141a5a40$0affff0a@hppav> <42096E64.5050507@pdq.net> Subject: Re: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:10:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.199.216] at Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:03:34 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Every really good drummer I've ever played with grunts or in some way vocalizes when they play. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: Re: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s > UN-real! Wow - I knew he was great, but that helps seal it. > > If any of you listen... am I hearing things, or is he grunting and > screaming as he plays? I'm almost sure I hear it on "Track 18" from the > first URL. > > Coolio. Thanks! > > Dig > > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > Here's a link to MP3s of John Bonham drum tracks from the In Through > > The Out Door record. I'm not sure how long these will stay here, so > > you might want to rip copies quickly! Lots of looping > > possibilities... :-) > > > > http://www.disndat.info/bonham/ > > > > > > > > Also, feel free to grab copies of UNDO and Super-Cannes for your > > listening pleasure. > > > > > > > > UNDO: > > > > http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=listing_song_artist > > > > > > > > Super-Cannes > > > > http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?tag=listing_song_artist > > > > > > > > > > > > ENJOY! > > > > > > > > David Kirkdorffer > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 8 21:22:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j192KaV04754; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:20:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:20:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4209731B.4060807@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:19:07 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s References: <000e01c50e49$141a5a40$0affff0a@hppav> <42096E64.5050507@pdq.net> <001d01c50e4c$7b11e1c0$0affff0a@hppav> In-Reply-To: <001d01c50e4c$7b11e1c0$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I've heard the grunt before... and singing... and drumspeak, when a drummer plays... but damn I could swear he's screaming like it HURTS. David Kirkdorffer wrote: >Every really good drummer I've ever played with grunts or in some way >vocalizes when they play. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Doug Cox" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:59 PM >Subject: Re: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s > > > > >>UN-real! Wow - I knew he was great, but that helps seal it. >> >>If any of you listen... am I hearing things, or is he grunting and >>screaming as he plays? I'm almost sure I hear it on "Track 18" from the >>first URL. >> >>Coolio. Thanks! >> >>Dig >> >>David Kirkdorffer wrote: >> >> >> >>>Here's a link to MP3s of John Bonham drum tracks from the In Through >>>The Out Door record. I'm not sure how long these will stay here, so >>>you might want to rip copies quickly! Lots of looping >>>possibilities... :-) >>> >>>http://www.disndat.info/bonham/ >>> >>> >>> >>>Also, feel free to grab copies of UNDO and Super-Cannes for your >>>listening pleasure. >>> >>> >>> >>>UNDO: >>> >>> >>> >>> >http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=listing_song_artist > > >>> >>>Super-Cannes >>> >>> >>> >>> >http://music.download.com/supercannes/3600-8362_32-100343783.html?tag=listing_song_artist > > >>> >>> >>> >>>ENJOY! >>> >>> >>> >>>David Kirkdorffer >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 01:22:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j196Ix712754; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:18:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:18:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007301c50d78$51b30310$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <007301c50d78$51b30310$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:13:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: THE BEST CHEAP RECORDING SOLUTION Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1104192651==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1104192651==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 4:51 PM -0800 2/7/05, loop.pool wrote: >I was heartbroken to have my Sony recording MD player break down, >irrevocably, on me recently. >I did almost my entire live looping CD with that machine. >WHAT IS THE BEST LIVE RECORDING MEDIUM THAT IS INEXPENSIVE (please >don't say a laptop). I mean, is there any elegant solution under >$200? "Best" is a pretty subjective judgement when coupled with "under $200." Back in 1977 most of my crowd considered the "best" low-cost recorder to be a Sony TCD158 It ran on eight D-cells, had a built-in speaker, and had a shoulder strap so you could schlep it around. As I recall it cost around $300. These days you'd consider it a "luggable" recorder, but back then we thought it was really liberating. The Sony TC-D5 Pro was considered really deluxe, but at a cost of around $700 in late-'70s dollars. Then came portable DAT and its successors. Minidisc is one of those media that fall into the "good enough" category for many people. It's popular in theater sound for effects and it's popular for field recording (soundscape art) and radio location recording. Most of these groups of users place a high premium on "cheap" and "portable" and they are less fussy about sound quality. We've all heard the expression GIGO (garbage-in/garbage-out), though that's a bit disparaging. Perhaps GEIGEO (good enough in/good enough out) is more to the point. After all, if you're recording a bunch of cheesy sound toys and environmental sounds then the artifacts of mp3 compression are likely to be inaudible. I've flirted with buying one for a couple of years, but just couldn't get past the data compression issues and the lack of input volume control on most models. I'm intriged by the new Hi-MD format, which allows 1GB disc capacity as well as linear PCM recording. There's even an entry-level model in your price range, the MZ-NH600D at $200. I'm more attracted to the new Edirol R-1 ($439) and R-4 ($1595) portables. http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r4.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1104192651==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: THE BEST CHEAP RECORDING SOLUTION
At 4:51 PM -0800 2/7/05, loop.pool wrote:
I was heartbroken to have my Sony recording MD player break down, irrevocably, on me recently.
I did almost my entire live looping CD with that machine.

WHAT IS THE BEST LIVE RECORDING MEDIUM THAT IS INEXPENSIVE  (please don't say a laptop). I mean,  is there any elegant solution under $200?

"Best" is a pretty subjective judgement when coupled with "under $200." Back in 1977 most of my crowd considered the "best" low-cost recorder to be a Sony TCD158 It ran on eight D-cells, had a built-in speaker, and had a shoulder strap so you could schlep it around. As I recall it cost around $300. These days you'd consider it a "luggable" recorder, but back then we thought it was really liberating.

The Sony TC-D5 Pro was considered really deluxe, but at a cost of around $700 in late-'70s dollars. Then came portable DAT and its successors.

Minidisc is one of those media that fall into the "good enough" category for many people. It's popular in theater sound for effects and it's popular for field recording (soundscape art) and radio location recording. Most of these groups of users place a high premium on "cheap" and "portable" and they are less fussy about sound quality. We've all heard the expression GIGO (garbage-in/garbage-out), though that's a bit disparaging. Perhaps GEIGEO (good enough in/good enough out) is more to the point. After all, if you're recording a bunch of cheesy sound toys and environmental sounds then the artifacts of mp3 compression are likely to be inaudible.

I've flirted with buying one for a couple of years, but just couldn't get past the data compression issues and the lack of input volume control on most models.  I'm intriged by the new Hi-MD format, which allows 1GB disc capacity as well as linear PCM recording. There's even an entry-level model in your price range, the MZ-NH600D at $200.

I'm more attracted to the new Edirol R-1 ($439) and R-4 ($1595) portables.

http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html

http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r4.html
--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com
--============_-1104192651==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 01:38:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j196VeN15185; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:31:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:31:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=J0s2jJFBBr8vqVNUZvrhGkIaIxlqFlnjviqL7SiVfpPlDkFK2Ft89PQLXvA0wvwZbf1++k3akxq7++4bFfFd5iyAu0vJmAhfbGUQEPJUnGY9L3DWRySJ/O1HMxHa9Wtlt1WxabzEvJg30sTpPj3WMw+MmTh8vPcGl20zBujjK48= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:30:07 -0800 From: biz Reply-To: biz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody recognise this? In-Reply-To: <20050207223742.91057.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1641E851-7908-11D9-9A0B-000A956F605C@fuse.net> <20050207223742.91057.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What's the box under the repeater? > Eventide bIz ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- To: Subject: VST looper features Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:43:21 -0600 Message-ID: <01e601c50e9c$9186ba20$0200a8c0@honcho> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E7_01C50E6A.46EC4A20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000401c50bdd$50e0e0c0$0200000a@ANDREAS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E7_01C50E6A.46EC4A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perhaps I phrased that last email too much like spam. There are again some new changes to the Loopy Llama VST looper: http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=3D11=20 =20 Based on what you liked about Angstrom=92s looper I=92ve added stereo = in/out and a loop progress bar. In response to your earlier criticisms it now syncs to exact tempos, runs on Mac OSX, and I=92m working on play and = stop buttons for it to be more DL-4 like. The gui is starting to get cramped with the new controls so a redesign may be on the horizon=85I=92m considering a =93simple mode=94 in case it seems too intimidating with everything out front. =20 =20 Let me know if there is anything else you would want in a looper! (besides time stretching=85.I=92ll tackle that as fast as I can, but it = may not be soon). =20 =20 Chris http://rekliner.com =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk]=20 Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 5:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Yet another new free VST looper =20 All the big DAWs on pc. Also Ableton Live, plogue Bidule, Energy XT and so on. =20 a. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]=20 Sent: 6. februar 2005 00:26 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper What apps use VST plugins, then? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andreas Wetterberg =20 To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight. Com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 17:57 PM Subject: Yet another new free VST looper =20 Hi all, =20 I just wanted to share this link with y'all. The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the plug is called the AngstroLooper. =20 It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, clean =EDnterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a beta, and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. =20 http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm =20 I've used it to do some very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and Absynth 3 combined, truly stellar. =20 Andreas. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_01E7_01C50E6A.46EC4A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Perhaps I phrased that last email = too much like spam.=A0 There are again = some new changes to the Loopy Llama VST looper: http://www.rekliner.com/?Pa= geID=3D11

 

Based on what you liked about = Angstrom’s looper I’ve added stereo in/out and a = loop progress bar. =A0In response to = your earlier criticisms it now syncs to exact tempos, runs on Mac OSX, and = I’m working on play and stop buttons for it to be more DL-4 like.=A0 The gui is starting to get cramped with the new controls so a redesign may be on = the horizon…I’m considering a “simple mode” in case = it seems too intimidating with everything out front.=A0

 

Let me know if there is anything = else you would want in a looper! =A0(besides = time stretching….I’ll tackle that as fast as I can, but it may not be soon).=A0

 

Chris

http://rekliner.com =

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk]
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 = 5:49 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Yet another = new free VST looper

 

All the big DAWs = on pc. Also Ableton Live, plogue Bidule, Energy XT and so = on.

 

a.<= o:p>

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
Sent: 6. februar 2005 = 00:26
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Yet another = new free VST looper

What apps use VST plugins, = then?

----- Original Message = -----

Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 17:57 PM

Subject: Yet another new free VST looper

 

Hi = all,

 

I just wanted to share this = link with y'all.

The plugin is by a guy at = the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the plug is called the = AngstroLooper.

 

It's really good, it does = both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, clean =EDnterface with all the = right functions (for me, anyways). It's a beta, and i reckon it promises a lot = of good things.

 

 

I've used it to do some = very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and Absynth 3 combined, truly = stellar.

 

Andreas.<= /o:p>

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_01E7_01C50E6A.46EC4A20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 07:48:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19Ckx714461; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:46:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:46:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018901c50ea5$4cf00c00$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: FCB & RPTR - erase track cc number ? Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:45:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0186_01C50EAD.AD53AB80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0186_01C50EAD.AD53AB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi people, a few days ago, I've bought the behringer FCB 1010. It's an amazing device and programming iot was more simple than I've had = read in some posts of this list. It's very usefull with repeater. Now i can control every singole = function (one or more) of the front panel just pressing one of the 10 = switchs. For example, i've programmed some switchs to send 3 contemporary midi = message (select track/pan track/level). I can easily control the feedback function with the pedal control . It = works perfectly and now my hands are totally free ! I know a lot of you own the FCB, but let expose my enthusiasm ... Now, in addiction to the "erase loop" function (cc 108) I would like to = send a cc message for "erase track" (one track only), but in the manual = ther's not specified the related CC number. So i'm asking if anyone of you know which is the controller number for = the erase track command on the electrix repeater. Thanks and happy looping to you all download.com/eterogeneo=20 http://stage.vitaminic.com/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_0186_01C50EAD.AD53AB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi people,
a few days ago, = I've=20 bought the behringer FCB 1010.
It's an amazing device and programming iot was more simple than = I've had=20 read in some posts of this list.
It's very usefull with repeater. Now i can control every singole = function=20 (one or more) of the front panel just pressing one of the 10 = switchs.
For example, i've programmed some switchs to send 3 contemporary = midi=20 message (select track/pan track/level).
I can easily control the feedback function with the pedal control . = It=20 works perfectly and now my hands are totally free !
I know a lot of you own the FCB, but let expose my enthusiasm = ...
 
Now, in addiction to the "erase loop" function (cc 108) I = would=20 like to send a cc message for "erase track" (one track only), but in=20 the manual ther's not specified the related CC number.
So i'm asking if anyone = of you know=20 which is the controller number for the erase track command on the = electrix=20 repeater.
 
Thanks and happy looping to you all
 
 
 
download.com/eterogeneo
http://stage.vitaminic.com= /eterogeneo
------=_NextPart_000_0186_01C50EAD.AD53AB80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 08:52:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19DpZp24835; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:51:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:51:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1107956954!4450334!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D60@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:OT the best cheap recording solution Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:48:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C50EAD.FAA510E0" Resent-Message-ID: <85h-_C.A.D_F.dThCCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C50EAD.FAA510E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> I'm intriged by the new Hi-MD format, which allows 1GB disc capacity as well as linear PCM recording. There's even an entry-level model in your price range, the MZ-NH600D at $200.<< I have the nh700. it's a bunch of crap, to coin a phrase. here's a short list of stuff that is wrong with this line of machines: they have some adjustment on the mic sensitivity & the agc behaviour, but still can't be used in what I would call a normal live-band environment. you have to pad the mic with tiny resistors, which messes up the plug-in power. mine skips on playback of it's own recordings. they eat batteries. sony recommends the use of the mains adaptor when recording pcm-style. still no optical out. I thought there was a way to make standard md format recordings on it, but now I can't find it. it has it's own "normal" mode which is somewhere between lp2 & lp4 on an older md-deck. there's an extended play/record mode that lets you record 10 hours on an 80' disc, & upto 50 hours on the 1Gb discs. if you can find them. no UK stockist has these blanks yet, so I've just got the one that came with the deck. the pcm recording mode puts about 28 minutes onto the 80 minute media, & about 90 on the 1Gb BUT there's no way to get the audio off of the machine except through the line-out, which is the headphone socket. the supplied software lets you put wavs or mp3s or w.h.y. onto the disc, but doesn't let you export back into y'r computer. that last sucks the most of all, out of all the things that are wrong. also (I just remembered this one) any/all audio connections to the machine have to have a ferrite clamp around their cabling, adjacent to the md deck. sony supply these with it, like they knew there was an issue but had to fudge it at the last minute. it wasn't even particularly cheap. if you are inclined to go down the md route, buy one that's a) not a sony & b) that has (definitely for sure & have the salesman show you what happens when you switch the unit off & back on again) a MANUAL record level mode that stays put when the deck is off, i.e. doesn't reset to auto. these are getting harder to find, as are decent sales people who know w.t.f. the machine is all about. I have recorded live material for cd release, by my own band & others, on a sharp md-mt20. it's chunky, & only works in standard (80 minute max) mode, but the results never fail to astonish me (see elsewhere for how atrac actually helps live recordings, while it may not be everyone's cup of tea for absolute fidelity). I bought the sony so I could retire the sharp, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. for post, I transfer the audio off of a denon dmd-m31 hifi deck optically into the matching denon cd recorder. hth- duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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>> I'm intriged by the new Hi-MD format, which allo= ws 1GB disc capacity as well as linear PCM recording. There's even an entry= -level model in your price range, the MZ-NH600D at $200.<<

I have the nh700. it's a bunch of crap, to coin a phrase.=
here's a short list of stuff that is wrong with this lin= e of machines:

they have some adjustment on the mic sensitivity & th= e agc behaviour, but still can't be used in what I would call a normal live= -band environment. you have to pad the mic with tiny resistors, which messe= s up the plug-in power.

mine skips on playback of it's own recordings.

they eat batteries. sony recommends the use of the mains = adaptor when recording pcm-style.

still no optical out.

I thought there was a way to make standard md format reco= rdings on it, but now I can't find it.
it has it's own "normal" mode which is somewhe= re between lp2 & lp4 on an older md-deck.
 
there's an extended play/record mode that lets you recor= d 10 hours on an 80' disc, & upto 50 hours on the 1Gb discs.
if you can find them. no UK stockist has these blanks ye= t, so I've just got the one that came with the deck.

the pcm recording mode puts about 28 minutes onto the 80 = minute media, & about 90 on the 1Gb
BUT there's no way to get the audio off of the machine e= xcept through the line-out, which is the headphone socket.
the supplied software lets you put wavs or mp3s or w.h.y= . onto the disc, but doesn't let you export back into y'r computer.<= /P>

 
that last sucks the most of all, out of all the things t= hat are wrong.

also (I just remembered this one) any/all audio connectio= ns to the machine have to have a ferrite clamp around their cabling, adjace= nt to the md deck. sony supply these with it, like they knew there was an i= ssue but had to fudge it at the last minute.

it wasn't even particularly cheap.

if you are inclined to go down the md route, buy one that= 's a) not a sony & b) that has (definitely for sure & have the sale= sman show you what happens when you switch the unit off & back on again= ) a MANUAL record level mode that stays put when the deck is off, i.e. does= n't reset to auto.

these are getting harder to find, as are decent sales peo= ple who know w.t.f. the machine is all about.

I have recorded live material for cd release, by my own b= and & others, on a sharp md-mt20. it's chunky, & only works in stan= dard (80 minute max) mode, but the results never fail to astonish me (see e= lsewhere for how atrac actually helps live recordings, while it may not be = everyone's cup of tea for absolute fidelity).

I bought the sony so I could retire the sharp, but that's= not going to happen anytime soon.
for post, I transfer the audio off of a denon dmd-m31 hi= fi deck optically into the matching denon cd recorder.

hth-
duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C50EAD.FAA510E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 10:13:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19FCgI07147; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:12:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:12:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c50eb9$bec29910$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01e601c50e9c$9186ba20$0200a8c0@honcho> Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:07:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C50E8F.3B8F0CB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <-Lry6D.A.juB.ShiCCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C50E8F.3B8F0CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message I have to add to that list AudioMulch. It's akin to Bidule, but = I find it has a nicer UI for my taste. If you want to mangle audio, = that's the way to do it. :) Tony -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk]=20 Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 5:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Yet another new free VST looper =20 All the big DAWs on pc. Also Ableton Live, plogue Bidule, Energy XT = and so on. =20 a. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]=20 Sent: 6. februar 2005 00:26 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper What apps use VST plugins, then? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andreas Wetterberg=20 To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight. Com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 17:57 PM Subject: Yet another new free VST looper =20 Hi all, =20 I just wanted to share this link with y'all. The plugin is by a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and = the plug is called the AngstroLooper. =20 It's really good, it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a = nice, clean =EDnterface with all the right functions (for me, anyways). = It's a beta, and i reckon it promises a lot of good things. =20 http://plugins.timeshard.com/index.htm =20 I've used it to do some very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and = Absynth 3 combined, truly stellar. =20 Andreas. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C50E8F.3B8F0CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message=
 I have to add to that list AudioMulch.  It's akin = to Bidule,=20 but I find it has a nicer UI for my taste.  If you want to mangle = audio,=20 that's the way to do it. :)
 
Tony

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = Andreas=20 Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk]=20
Sent: Saturday, February 05,=20 2005 = 5:49=20 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Yet another new = free VST=20 looper

 

All the=20 big DAWs on pc. Also Ableton Live, plogue Bidule, Energy XT and so=20 on.

 

a.

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Stephen=20 Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
Sent: 6. februar 2005 = 00:26
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Yet another new = free VST=20 looper

What apps use VST plugins,=20 then?

----- = Original=20 Message -----

From: Andreas = Wetterberg=20

To: Loopers-Delight@Lo= opers-Delight.=20 Com

Sent:=20 Saturday, February 05, 2005 17:57 = PM

Subject: Yet=20 another new free VST looper

 

Hi=20 all,

 

I = just wanted to=20 share this link with y'all.

The = plugin is by=20 a guy at the Ableton forum called Angstrom, and the plug is called = the=20 AngstroLooper.

 

It's = really good,=20 it does both stereo and mono (yay) and it has a nice, clean = =EDnterface with=20 all the right functions (for me, anyways). It's a beta, and i = reckon it=20 promises a lot of good things.

 

http://plugins.timeshard.= com/index.htm

 

I've = used it to=20 do some very quick loops using a Roland SH-2 and Absynth = 3=20 combined, truly stellar.

 

Andreas.

 

 

=
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C50E8F.3B8F0CB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 10:38:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19FbiS11413; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:37:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:37:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f301c50ebd$1fd57da0$0707a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <000401c50bdd$50e0e0c0$0200000a@ANDREAS> Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:36:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C50EBD.1EA1DFA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C50EBD.1EA1DFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageHaving just started to find the fucillade of sites having free = VST plugins out there, has anyone found one that does the Mellotron? Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com * "I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English to men, and Japanese = to my horse." *- Buckaroo Banzai ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C50EBD.1EA1DFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Having just started to find the fucillade of sites = having free=20 VST plugins out there, has anyone found one that does the=20 Mellotron?
 
Stephen Goodman
* Cartoons about DVDs and = Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/= HiddenTrack
*=20 http://www.medialinenews.com
 
* "I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English = to men,=20 and Japanese to my horse."
*- Buckaroo = Banzai
------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C50EBD.1EA1DFA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 10:52:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19Fnte14213; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:49:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:49:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <01e601c50e9c$9186ba20$0200a8c0@honcho> References: <01e601c50e9c$9186ba20$0200a8c0@honcho> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <849d9105b3eeca48d50f2fc55b63d1b8@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: VST looper features Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:49:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-invalid-halo: [213.132.125.67] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j19Fn9S13986 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 9, 2005, at 12:43, Chris Kline wrote: > Let me know if there is anything else you would want in a looper!   Host tempo sync. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 11:19:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19GHEE19891; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:17:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:17:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: FCB & RPTR - erase track cc number ? Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:16:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C50E7F.9BB038E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <018901c50ea5$4cf00c00$040a0a0a@fabio> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C50E7F.9BB038E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if they have addressed the issue of individual track erase with the new firm ware, but you can only globely erase (CC108), however, a good work around is to use the replace function to simply re-record a track. When you replace a track with another, you can always hit undo to go back to the original part. I have a preset for erase right next to my record preset on my behringer pedal so that I can easly move from overdub to replace while recording. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Fabio Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB & RPTR - erase track cc number ? Hi people, a few days ago, I've bought the behringer FCB 1010. It's an amazing device and programming iot was more simple than I've had read in some posts of this list. It's very usefull with repeater. Now i can control every singole function (one or more) of the front panel just pressing one of the 10 switchs. For example, i've programmed some switchs to send 3 contemporary midi message (select track/pan track/level). I can easily control the feedback function with the pedal control . It works perfectly and now my hands are totally free ! I know a lot of you own the FCB, but let expose my enthusiasm ... Now, in addiction to the "erase loop" function (cc 108) I would like to send a cc message for "erase track" (one track only), but in the manual ther's not specified the related CC number. So i'm asking if anyone of you know which is the controller number for the erase track command on the electrix repeater. Thanks and happy looping to you all download.com/eterogeneo http://stage.vitaminic.com/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C50E7F.9BB038E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 don't know if they have addressed the issue of individual track erase = with the=20 new firm ware, but you can only globely erase (CC108), however, a good = work=20 around is to use the replace function to simply re-record a track. When = you=20 replace a track with another, you can always hit undo to go back to the = original=20 part. I have a preset for erase right next to my record preset on my = behringer=20 pedal so that I can easly move from overdub to replace while=20 recording.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Fabio Anile=20 [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it]
Sent: Wednesday, February = 09, 2005=20 4:46 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 FCB & RPTR - erase track cc number ?

Hi = people,
a few days ago, = I've=20 bought the behringer FCB 1010.
It's an amazing device and programming iot was more simple than = I've had=20 read in some posts of this list.
It's very usefull with repeater. Now i can control every singole = function=20 (one or more) of the front panel just pressing one of the 10 = switchs.
For example, i've programmed some switchs to send 3 contemporary = midi=20 message (select track/pan track/level).
I can easily control the feedback function with the pedal control = . It=20 works perfectly and now my hands are totally free !
I know a lot of you own the FCB, but let expose my enthusiasm = ...
 
Now, in addiction to the "erase loop" function (cc 108) = I would=20 like to send a cc message for "erase track" (one track only), but in=20 the manual ther's not specified the related CC number.
So i'm asking if = anyone of you=20 know which is the controller number for the erase track command on the = electrix repeater.
 
Thanks and happy looping to you all
 
 
 
download.com/eterogeneo
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C50E7F.9BB038E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 12:05:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19H3OG28905; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:03:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:03:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c50ec9$0d3c7b10$0100a8c0@Robin> From: "Cox" To: Subject: Re: EDP and FC-200: Can I send only a "note off"? Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:01:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C50ED1.6E899030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C50ED1.6E899030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CAn anybody help me? Please... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cox=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: EDP and FC-200: Can I send only a "note off"? Hello. I would like to use my FC-200 to change the loop that's being played = on my EDP . I have a little problem: I use the "bank pedal up" to go to the next loop (located = at source # + 8). This way, I can go through my loops upwards. But it = would be convenient to reach the previous loop directly, without having = to press many times to get back to loop 1. I know it is possible if a = pedal sends only a 'note off" message on the Direct Midi function called = "SUSnext loop" (located at source # + 20). =20 So, does anyone know if I can set my FC-200 to send only a"note off" = command on "bank down"for example . In this case, the "bank up" would = be next loop (as it is already), and "bank down" previous loop... Thank you for helping ;-) ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C50ED1.6E899030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
CAn anybody help me?=20 Please...
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From:=20 Cox =
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Sent: Tuesday, February 08, = 2005 10:29=20 AM
Subject: EDP and FC-200: Can I = send only=20 a "note off"?

Hello.
I would like to use my = FC-200 to=20 change the loop that's being played on my EDP . I have a little=20 problem:
   =20         I use the "bank pedal up" to go = to the=20 next loop (located at source # + 8). This way, I can go through = my loops=20 upwards. But it would be convenient to reach the previous loop = directly,=20 without having to press many times to get back to loop 1. I know = it is=20 possible if a pedal sends only a 'note off" message on the Direct = Midi=20 function called "SUSnext loop" (located at source # +=20 20).        =
So, does anyone know if = I can set my=20 FC-200 to send only a"note off" command  on "bank down"for = example .=20 In this case, the "bank up" would be next loop (as it is already), and = "bank=20 down" previous loop...
 
Thank you for helping=20 ;-)
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C50ED1.6E899030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 12:34:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19HWur03259; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:32:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:32:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=FBc/39HNPn9cpo4o8nke2ZS4VI68YAQYbW1pM0ek/pJhdHW9qqwhNHfhRuz3SYwoTGpAnSm+sB6AzRiTlVtKmNFcAeHvxHEwUI5+X9Mt3wLGK3x/6UWMz5HhF7aldCrCyIgd5cFqfvIZrSdNRFpYShl2Kmez7mcdwdLhIojYrW4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:32:07 -0800 From: SquidLoop Reply-To: SquidLoop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More Nels Cline In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of Nels, He's on the cover of the March Guitar Player: http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storycode=1973 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 14:57:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19Jt8l03045; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:55:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:55:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Trusted: Whitelisted Message-ID: <420A6AA6.9030603@gawab.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:55:18 -0500 From: jacob smoller User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More Nels Cline References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com in that article he also mentions MIDFI ELECTRONICS. ya'll should check his stuff out! he makes some amazing pedals: midfielectronics.com. the website has very little on it right now, but you can expect it to have much more in the next few days. jacob robberdotcom.com SquidLoop wrote: >Speaking of Nels, > >He's on the cover of the March Guitar Player: > >http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storycode=1973 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 15:05:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19K4Kn05293; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:04:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:04:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:02:32 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: EDP and FC-200: Can I send only a "note off"? In-reply-to: <003e01c50ec9$0d3c7b10$0100a8c0@Robin> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <420A6C58.50000@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <003e01c50ec9$0d3c7b10$0100a8c0@Robin> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cox wrote: > /CAn anybody help me? Please.../ This is an issue for the FC-200, do you have the manual? From what little I was able to gather on the web about the FC-200 when I was looking at foot controllers awhile ago, I doubt you can make it send only a note off. Most foot controllers in "note mode" send note on when you press and note off when you release, which is almost always what you want. Look in the manual for any references to things like "MIDI bytes" or "MIDI string", if you can configure a switch to send an arbitrary string of MIDI bytes then you're golden. But this is a rather rare feature. More likely, a switch can be configured to send one program change, control change, or note message. Find the description of how to specify the type of message. If all it says is "note" then you're probably out of luck. If you see specific phrases "note on" and "note off" then you might be able to do what you want. Since you were able to ferret out the relatively obscure SUSNextLoop trick in the formidable EDP manual, I would think you could find out how to program switches in the FC-200 manual :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 15:21:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19KJR309258; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:19:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:19:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1107980334!11048635!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D6D@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:17:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C50EE4.6F2CB360" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C50EE4.6F2CB360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" fair brought a tear to my eye- not just to hear the mighty bonzo so clearly, but to be reminded again (& this despite the mp3-ness of these recordings) that no-one has ever quite captured the sound of a drumkit quite aswell as jimmy page. you couldn't possibly use any of these recordings in a different context without their being recognised. just like in the opening seconds of the first beasties album, you'd recognise that noise straight away. I think I'll loop them up anyway just to make them last longer, & to practice/write basslines over. & my cd-rip of these mp3's will live next to my page-autographed copy of "presence", & be used occasionally to break small glass objects & annoy the neighbours. good find. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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fair brought a tear to my eye- not just to hear the might= y bonzo so clearly, but to be reminded again (& this despite the mp3-ne= ss of these recordings) that no-one has ever quite captured the sound of a = drumkit quite aswell as jimmy page.

you couldn't possibly use any of these recordings in a di= fferent context without their being recognised. just like in the opening se= conds of the first beasties album, you'd recognise that noise straight away= . I think I'll loop them up anyway just to make them last longer, & to = practice/write basslines over.

& my cd-rip of these mp3's will live next to my page-= autographed copy of "presence", & be used occasionally to bre= ak small glass objects & annoy the neighbours.

good find.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C50EE4.6F2CB360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 15:27:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19KQ5R11118; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:26:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:26:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Chris Kline" To: Subject: RE: VST looper features Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:17:32 -0600 Message-ID: <01f201c50ee4$63478110$0200a8c0@honcho> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <849d9105b3eeca48d50f2fc55b63d1b8@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j19KPMS10943 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It does that! The new version isn't based on the sample size of one beat, so it syncs to the host exactly. Just move the "Set tempo to" slider to "VST sync". The old version (0.83) synched to the host also, but the loop would drift off in certain bpm's after a few repetitions. I had designed this to be used live like a footpedal, but I can see the reasons for using it in a DAW. I've hadn't yet looked at ableton live until I joined thi list but it seems like the most likely candidate after watching the demo's....you have expanded my goals. Chris http://chriskline.com -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VST looper features On Feb 9, 2005, at 12:43, Chris Kline wrote: > Let me know if there is anything else you would want in a looper!   Host tempo sync. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 15:48:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19KixW14636; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:44:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:44:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=b26s4FoPZHOF9wmcm/pK/JH1tfS92NbkYaokBldA2KKZZk9k9kUdzUvJDF9nRzZPVHNQu3Ft1t0daZu+c9OVoku9xY5Jg3h2jp1R0tkTTrkfbPAZ1yQg1ZMGH5fLa7nEqYXgH5JU+PEFIHWYoxPof7QuJgQCAnAgjoXfPhcir4c= ; Message-ID: <20050209204408.50873.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:44:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D6D@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9BOBwC.A.tjD.eYnCCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > my cd-rip of these mp3's will live next to my > page-autographed copy of "presence"... "Presence"... That's the one that opens with the 10 1/2 minute cover of 'Barracuda', right? :P (Quickly taking cover before Duncan throws something at me, the exertion of which would cause him to grunt much like a drummer...) -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 15:59:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19KwGn16947; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:58:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:58:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050209204408.50873.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050209204408.50873.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <23419C92-7ADD-11D9-840C-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:56:58 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These are absolutely beautiful and a great guide for me as a reference for recording drums. Nice one geoff On 9 Feb 2005, at 20:44, Tim Nelson wrote: > > --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >> my cd-rip of these mp3's will live next to my >> page-autographed copy of "presence"... > > "Presence"... That's the one that opens with the 10 > 1/2 minute cover of 'Barracuda', right? :P > > (Quickly taking cover before Duncan throws something > at me, the exertion of which would cause him to grunt > much like a drummer...) > > -t- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 16:01:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19KxEd17191; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:59:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:59:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050209204408.50873.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050209204408.50873.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <601C76F6-7ADD-11D9-840C-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:58:40 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Holy shit get a load of track 9 check that out!!! geoff On 9 Feb 2005, at 20:44, Tim Nelson wrote: > > --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >> my cd-rip of these mp3's will live next to my >> page-autographed copy of "presence"... > > "Presence"... That's the one that opens with the 10 > 1/2 minute cover of 'Barracuda', right? :P > > (Quickly taking cover before Duncan throws something > at me, the exertion of which would cause him to grunt > much like a drummer...) > > -t- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 16:19:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19LHbD20828; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:17:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:17:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: OT ELP/JP (rip) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:18:03 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c50eec$dae04a10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000c01c50b19$d2750720$f9b9a344@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j19LGqS20633 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do not see the point in extracting information about casual relationships from small-number statistics, especially if they're not done right. There are two names which are still current, KC and Floyd. One of them has issued a double album, the other one hasn't. So I do not see any relationship here. For me, the question holds why the current group of Robert Fripp still has the same name as the late-sixties group of which Fripp was a part, the seventies group of Fripp and the eighties group of Fripp. Following the reinstallment of the KC name in the nineties, Fripp has written very elaborately why this group was - again - named King Crimson. Other people suggested it had more to do with financial losses suffered by Fripp just before King Crimson reappeared. I like some of their eighties stuff, I like some of their nineties stuff. But I don't think it's King Crimson. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 5. Februar 2005 01:30 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: OT ELP/JP (rip) Technically, the Young Person's Guide to King Crimson was a double album, but I see your point. Perhaps the fact that KC didn't issue a double album ever is really a positive thing. Afterall, they are the only name that still is current (aside from Pink Floyd) from among that stable of peers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: AW: OT ELP/JP (rip) > I used to dislike any kind of organ use in rock (or jazz) music. Then > I listened to Tarkus to the first time...the beginning of the organ > solo in "Mass" seemed unreal to me - this sounded like someone > starting to puke! I may not say this album has changed my life, but it > definitely changed my live sound! > > I once started to write an essay about the progressive rock > phenomenon, and there I stated the thesis that each of the big groups > of this genre in the seventies reached their climax with their double > (or triple) album. For ELP, this was the "Welcome back my friends" > album, for Yes, the "Yessongs", and for Genesis, it was the Lamb. > > Alas, there hasn't been a double album by King Crimson (if you don't > count in the B'Boom "officialized bootleg") > > And btw, in case you haven't done so already - "UP" by Peter Gabriel > is a great album (albeit not a proggy one). I want to own his staff of > engineers for a day... > > Rainer > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Jesse Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Februar 2005 22:01 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: OT ELP/JP (rip) > > > ELP was the shit. Tarkus changed my life. > > Some of the later stuff was...well...just wrong. Love Beach? This is > the same guy who played on In the Court of the Crimson King and > Tarkus? > > Oh well. > > Still, what they did that was good, was really good. > > Emerson's organ sound on the first two albums is the best. > > -J > > > > Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2005, at 12:40 PM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > >> they were a technically-accomplished trio, but quite lacking in any > >> creative sense-of-purpose or direction, & they managed to alienate > >> many peers in the business with their in-jokes & technical > >> excesses. > >> > >> & thus peel described ELP as "a waste of /talent/ & electricity". > > > > > > even put into perspective, John Peel's comments were completely > > unfair. > > > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 16:19:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19LHVV20799; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:17:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:17:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Firman Subject: Sad Sad News Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:18:50 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know there are a few keyboard players on this list so I thought I'd post the fact that Jimmy Smith passed away yesterday (Feb 8th) at his home in Scottsdale Ariz. He was 79. Man what a vacancy he leaves! -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 16:23:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19LL0u21708; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:21:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:21:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <420A7E57.5050606@biink.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:19:19 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sad Sad News References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Firman wrote: > > I know there are a few keyboard players on this list so I thought I'd > post the fact that Jimmy Smith passed away yesterday (Feb 8th) at > his home in Scottsdale Ariz. He was 79. > > Man what a vacancy he leaves! > There is a memorial broadcast on WKCR.org all today and tommorow. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 16:34:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19LWdW23647; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:32:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:32:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <000201c50eec$dae04a10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <000201c50eec$dae04a10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8cf4b128adf86bb4d6901f18c11226c2@sccadv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: AW: OT ELP/JP (rip) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:31:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7A_RS.A.suF.tEoCCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I like some of their eighties stuff, I like some of their nineties > stuff. But I don't think it's King Crimson. I can see your point, but it makes me wonder what the relationship is between the latest version of Pink Floyd and the original. Just something to mull over. Jeff Evans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 16:47:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19LkdS25828; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:46:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:46:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=5JfiC24CZ1XCWqKjuNAsPPBJSetanVxayBcmkuNpUw1QjpwYZuNl3POQOvYUF0kUzG2W0nEJYUNXd6xmCyN022sw2EniHzmeifrzKybjZSsJUw66cYozIdxehqw0qnUFC//cXd2Fq9UiYORUwYurM6mPZUZ4BDkxBD1gmG3x2JE= ; Message-ID: <20050209214558.87234.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:45:58 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D6D@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man thanx a million for this killer drum samples!if you can give us a sample of their 7/8th "the ocean" it would be killer! Led Zeppelin,without a doubt the best hard rock band in the world i am still a fan and i still find them amazing!Check out their new DVD its worth every penny and it sure will make you squeeze your lemon!! Jimmy page said it even if he never used loopers: "repetition is the master of manipulation" Luis --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > fair brought a tear to my eye- not just to hear the > mighty bonzo so clearly, but to be reminded again (& > this despite the mp3-ness of these recordings) that > no-one has ever quite captured the sound of a > drumkit quite aswell as jimmy page. > > you couldn't possibly use any of these recordings in > a different context without their being recognised. > just like in the opening seconds of the first > beasties album, you'd recognise that noise straight > away. I think I'll loop them up anyway just to make > them last longer, & to practice/write basslines > over. > & my cd-rip of these mp3's will live next to my > page-autographed copy of "presence", & be used > occasionally to break small glass objects & annoy > the neighbours. > > good find. > > duncan. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the > ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and > may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this > e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or > any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this > e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this > message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate > virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any > attachments do not > affect your systems / data. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 17:08:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19M78429071; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:07:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:07:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <42095CB7.6090603@speakeasy.net> References: <42095CB7.6090603@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:56:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: electronic music pioneers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1104135801==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1104135801==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 4:43 PM -0800 2/8/05, Dennis Montgomery wrote: >FYI: The book "Electronic and Experimental=20 >Music" by Thom Holmes also has a few pages (and=20 >photo) on the Barron's contributions. This looks like a good book! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415936446/ref=3Dsib_rdr_dp/103-56794= 69-8386238 The photos from the Time magazine article are=20 wonderful. Unfortunately they seem to be the only=20 photo documentation of the Barrons in their=20 studio, and there seems to be nothing of them in=20 their social/creative milieu (with the John Cage,=20 Ana=EFs Nin, Maya Deren, et al). There is need for=20 an archaeological dig through Bebe's storage=20 locker and Mary Ellen Kabat's (Louis's second=20 wife's) garage. When I was doing my article on the Barrons for=20 e|i magazine I got the loan of all the Time=20 photos, some family shots such as (Louis, Bebe,=20 and son Adam with sombreros and a burro in=20 Tijuana), and I borrowed a stack of Louis's note=20 cards from his second son David. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1104135801==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: electronic music pioneers
At 4:43 PM -0800 2/8/05, Dennis Montgomery wrote:
FYI:  The book "Electronic and Experimental Music" by Thom Holmes also has a few pages (and photo) on the Barron's contributions.

This looks like a good book!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415936446/ref=3Dsib_rdr_dp/103-5679469-8386238

The photos from the Time magazine article are wonderful. Unfortunately they seem to be the only photo documentation of the Barrons in their studio, and there seems to be nothing of them in their social/creative milieu (with the John Cage, Ana=EFs Nin, Maya Deren, et al). There is need for an archaeological dig through Bebe's storage locker and Mary Ellen Kabat's (Louis's second wife's) garage.

When I was doing my article on the Barrons for e|i magazine I got the loan of all the Time photos, some family shots such as (Louis, Bebe, and son Adam with sombreros and a burro in Tijuana), and I borrowed a stack of Louis's note cards from his second son David.
--

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--============_-1104135801==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 17:23:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19MLSL31251; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:21:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:21:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c50ef5$a2a1db60$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00f301c50ebd$1fd57da0$0707a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:19:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C50ECB.8BB23870" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C50ECB.8BB23870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Messagecool free mellotron vst. http://www.tweakbench.com/instruments.php?id=3D6 there's an M-Tron too, but it's not free, so I haven't tried it out. these are fun... http://www.dream.vortex.btinternet.co.uk/ in general, http://www.kvraudio.com/ has pointers to all you could ever = need in plugins. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper Having just started to find the fucillade of sites having free VST = plugins out there, has anyone found one that does the Mellotron? Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com * "I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English to men, and = Japanese to my horse." *- Buckaroo Banzai ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C50ECB.8BB23870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
cool free mellotron vst.
 
http://www.twea= kbench.com/instruments.php?id=3D6
 
there's an M-Tron too, but it's not = free, so I=20 haven't tried it out.
 
these are fun... http://www.dream.vorte= x.btinternet.co.uk/
 
in general, http://www.kvraudio.com/ has pointers to all you could ever = need in=20 plugins.
 
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stephen Goodman
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, = 2005 10:36=20 AM
Subject: Re: Yet another new = free VST=20 looper

Having just started to find the fucillade of sites = having=20 free VST plugins out there, has anyone found one that does the=20 Mellotron?
 
Stephen Goodman
* Cartoons about DVDs and = Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/= HiddenTrack
*=20 http://www.medialinenews.com
 
* "I speak Spanish to God, French to women, = English to men,=20 and Japanese to my horse."
*- Buckaroo=20 Banzai
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C50ECB.8BB23870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 17:27:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19MPvo32528; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:25:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:25:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=kih25mgYlfDsnRhB3qgaK42wnyLBy6Usp8yJzKWWeGpVXi5Y7NpKDc4cu6JPoisvZMP0MDGVvNYZFzr7vxFI+KqrYxGsVmtzvBw/6riT4OlmTtBZvH9aQ+YRpdtnBVGuBwSE9v4O/KgJR8voiGvrnhKyCTLOhjRDUX2w2sKX948= ; Message-ID: <20050209222516.21841.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:25:15 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: looping and using monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi folks, i am being hired to do gigs where i lay down a groove with different percussion instruments then play and sing on top of that.This is a new ball game for me instead of just sitting and improvising and is really challenging switching between part a and b,singing, playing,switching guitars and of course not fucking up:-)But it thrills me lately and it seems to get more attention from the audience rather than playing with a drum machine.The problem i am having is getting the sound bleeding out of the monitors into the loop and yes, i do need a monitor to hear my singing.ive seen some ear monitors but they are way expensive here, can anybody here using ear monitors give me a tip? do most of you looper-singer-guitarrists out there use monitors on stage or avoid them all together? Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 17:32:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19MUag01052; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:30:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:30:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c50ef6$db8000f0$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D6D@lon-oxmail02> Subject: Re: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:25:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C50ECC.504DF250" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C50ECC.504DF250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: John Bonham drum trax - MP3sFWIW these are ripped from a bootleg = called Empress Valley's Lost Sessions Volume 4. I don't have it. But, = if need be I could probably get a hold of a copy. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: RE: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s fair brought a tear to my eye- not just to hear the mighty bonzo so = clearly, but to be reminded again (& this despite the mp3-ness of these = recordings) that no-one has ever quite captured the sound of a drumkit = quite aswell as jimmy page. you couldn't possibly use any of these recordings in a different = context without their being recognised. just like in the opening seconds = of the first beasties album, you'd recognise that noise straight away. I = think I'll loop them up anyway just to make them last longer, & to = practice/write basslines over. & my cd-rip of these mp3's will live next to my page-autographed copy = of "presence", & be used occasionally to break small glass objects & = annoy the neighbours. good find.=20 duncan.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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FWIW these are ripped from a = bootleg called Empress Valley's Lost Sessions = Volume=20 4.  I don't have it.  But, if need be I could probably get a = hold of a=20 copy.
 
Tony
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fair brought a tear to my eye- not just to hear the = mighty=20 bonzo so clearly, but to be reminded again (& this despite the = mp3-ness of=20 these recordings) that no-one has ever quite captured the sound of a = drumkit=20 quite aswell as jimmy page.

you couldn't possibly use any of these recordings in = a=20 different context without their being recognised. just like in the = opening=20 seconds of the first beasties album, you'd recognise that noise = straight away.=20 I think I'll loop them up anyway just to make them last longer, & = to=20 practice/write basslines over.

& my cd-rip of these mp3's will live next to my=20 page-autographed copy of "presence", & be used occasionally to = break small=20 glass objects & annoy the neighbours.

good find.

duncan.



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 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C50ECC.504DF250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 17:34:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19MWEm01274; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:32:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:32:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <420A8F1B.4080109@biink.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:30:51 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: db@biink.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sad Sad News References: <420A7E57.5050606@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <420A7E57.5050606@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Beardsley wrote: > Michael Firman wrote: > >> >> I know there are a few keyboard players on this list so I thought I'd >> post the fact that Jimmy Smith passed away yesterday (Feb 8th) at >> his home in Scottsdale Ariz. He was 79. >> >> Man what a vacancy he leaves! >> > There is a memorial broadcast on WKCR.org all today and tommorow. > Jimmy Smith Memorial Broadcast 2/9 - 2/11 WKCR will be honoring the musical genius of jazz organist Jimmy Smith, who passed away Tuesday, Feb 8th. A special memorial broadcast airing his works will commence *Wednesday, February 9th and run uninterrupted until 6:45 PM on Friday, February 11th.* Jimmy Smith was born in Norristown, Pennsylvania on December 8th, 1925. As the first musician to integrate the sounds of the Hammond B-3 organ into jazz, his influence is far-reaching and monumental. Join WKCR as we celebrate the life and musical splendor of this distinguished jazz musician. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 17:45:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19MfwD03021; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:41:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:41:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: looping and using monitors Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:40:47 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c50ef8$665c2400$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050209222516.21841.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 79, in=178, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I played at the loopers conference in Santa Cruz, I used ear monitors for the first time. At the time, I was using some Sony versions that insert right into your ear...they were about $30 and worked great. Since then, I've purchased the Sure E2 mini earphones: http://www.zzounds.com/item--SHUE2 They are more sturdy and fit into your ear better. The Sony earphones fell out easily. Since I play acoustic, this approach works great, especially for the big gigs....eliminates the problem of feedback. Kris -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping and using monitors hi folks, i am being hired to do gigs where i lay down a groove with different percussion instruments then play and sing on top of that.This is a new ball game for me instead of just sitting and improvising and is really challenging switching between part a and b,singing, playing,switching guitars and of course not fucking up:-)But it thrills me lately and it seems to get more attention from the audience rather than playing with a drum machine.The problem i am having is getting the sound bleeding out of the monitors into the loop and yes, i do need a monitor to hear my singing.ive seen some ear monitors but they are way expensive here, can anybody here using ear monitors give me a tip? do most of you looper-singer-guitarrists out there use monitors on stage or avoid them all together? Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 18:07:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19N5R906206; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:05:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:05:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <420A977A.5090003@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:06:34 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP SYNC Issues References: <200502092120.j19LKwe21695@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200502092120.j19LKwe21695@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings Loopers, I have recently begun to sync my EDP with my comrades midi clock. It seems to work very well for a short period of time, then at some point when I press 'RECORD', instead of begining to record, I get 3 zeros on the display for a few seconds before commencing to record. Therefore it is not capturing the beginning of my loop (although it does play the chopped loop completly in sync). A soon as I unplug the midi cable from the EDP, 'Record' goes back to functioning as I expect it should. Plug it back in, the 3 zeros appear upon pressing 'Record'. Powering down the unit does not seem to help during the same session (although when I return the following week it does work properly for a short time, afterwhich the same old behavior returns). I am really beginning to enjoy having my loops sync'ed, so any advice or ideas will be appreciated! thanks, -jas http://dimbulb.org Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 19:20:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A0J4o15365; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:19:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:19:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D60@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D60@lon-oxmail02> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:16:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE:OT the best cheap recording solution Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:48 PM +0000 2/9/05, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >> I'm intriged by the new Hi-MD format, which allows 1GB disc >capacity as well as linear PCM recording. There's even an >entry-level model in your price range, the MZ-NH600D at $200.<< > >I have the nh700. it's a bunch of crap, to coin a phrase. Well, I guess I'm no longer intrigued! Many of the problems you cite seem to be endemic to minidiscs (at least the Sony models). They have been designed primarily as playback machines, so live recording features are lame and the ability to dump from MD to computer is restricted. All the more reason to look at the Edirol recorders, though they are pricier (bad news for Rick, who probably wants to stay with the MD format anyway). One thing that's interesting about the Edirol R-4 is that it can do four tracks simultaneously. Great for surround sound. It's definitely a pro model though. Considering that I already have a PowerBook and a Mobile I/O I'm already covered, but the compactness factor is attractive. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 19:29:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A0SrQ16692; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:28:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:28:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: OT ELP/JP (rip) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:28:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000201c50eec$dae04a10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUO7M8grDxIhrt1Tei/mgy+AEX5eQAGYjDw Message-ID: <0MKyxe-1Cz2Bw3RhS-0002IW@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My guess none of us were the same as were were 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago. We probably don't make the same music either (gee, I hope not). Yet we still have the same name. We still *feel* like the same person, even though to someone who hasn't seen us in 20 years might view us differently. OTOH, some people/bands/companies are stuck. AC/DC has not changed much. Strats and LPs are still made. These are due to the market demanding something very specific from these bands/companies, and 'the big corporation' giving people what they want. Remember New Coke? Neon Strats? However, as an artist/artiste/whatever who doesn't make mass marketable pop/country/crossover music, who do you work for? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > I like some of their eighties stuff, I like some of their > nineties stuff. But I don't think it's King Crimson. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 19:39:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A0c8918018; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:38:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:38:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <420AAC11.7060300@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:34:25 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: OT ELP/JP (rip) References: <000201c50eec$dae04a10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> In-Reply-To: <000201c50eec$dae04a10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had always wished they had gone with their 1st impulse and named the 80's band 'Discipline'. To me it was a new sound and approach that had little to do with the 70's Crimson incarnations. Then again, my name's not Fripp, so what do I know? Dennis Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >I like some of their eighties stuff, I like some of their nineties >stuff. But I don't think it's King Crimson. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 19:45:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A0iAE18957; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:44:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:44:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <000201c50eec$dae04a10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <000201c50eec$dae04a10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <905BEECF-7AFC-11D9-AC7F-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: AW: OT ELP/JP (rip) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:41:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 9, 2005, at 3:18 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I like some of their eighties stuff, I like some of their nineties > stuff. But I don't think it's King Crimson. there are people who feel only the original In The Court Of... lineup is actually King Crimson. Greg Lake is one of them. personally, i'm inclined to follow Robert's talk of King Crimson being a living, breathing entity and not tied to a certain era or specific group of people. YMMV. THRAK means as much to me as Red or Earthbound. it would have meant more to me if David Sylvian had taken Fripp up on his offer of joining KC though. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 19:45:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A0iAl18951; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:44:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:44:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c50f09$8c8cfee0$fc905545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D60@lon-oxmail02> Subject: Re: RE:OT the best cheap recording solution Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:43:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been real happy with my Sharp MD 702 or 702. Records well with no limiting. Has a mic/line input. Halfway decent battery time with an optional booster pack. Great editing features. and Cost me about $150 with the $50 buck rebate they gave on it when they were blowing them out 2-3 years ago. It's also NOT a clamshell design which in my mind seems really fragile and exposes the internal stuff to possible damage. -Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: RE:OT the best cheap recording solution > At 1:48 PM +0000 2/9/05, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > >> I'm intriged by the new Hi-MD format, which allows 1GB disc > >capacity as well as linear PCM recording. There's even an > >entry-level model in your price range, the MZ-NH600D at $200.<< > > > >I have the nh700. it's a bunch of crap, to coin a phrase. > > Well, I guess I'm no longer intrigued! > > Many of the problems you cite seem to be endemic to minidiscs (at > least the Sony models). They have been designed primarily as playback > machines, so live recording features are lame and the ability to dump > from MD to computer is restricted. All the more reason to look at the > Edirol recorders, though they are pricier (bad news for Rick, who > probably wants to stay with the MD format anyway). > > One thing that's interesting about the Edirol R-4 is that it can do > four tracks simultaneously. Great for surround sound. It's > definitely a pro model though. Considering that I already have a > PowerBook and a Mobile I/O I'm already covered, but the compactness > factor is attractive. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 19:58:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A0unF21332; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:56:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:56:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:54:07 -0800 Subject: Re: AW: OT ELP/JP (rip) From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <905BEECF-7AFC-11D9-AC7F-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i got the dvd of AdrianBelew's barband 'The Bears' and they do mostly band written songs and they are quirkee nashville/cinncinati bar tradition-very little to do w/ KC stuff. that is until half way thru the show they play "RED" from the KC book and, well, er, they just dont pull it off... the notes are all there but the vibe is totally missing and i wonder what was up having this uber Crimson tune to be dragged out by these midwest cornponers... just wonderin... s > On Feb 9, 2005, at 3:18 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> I like some of their eighties stuff, I like some of their nineties >> stuff. But I don't think it's King Crimson. > > there are people who feel only the original In The Court Of... lineup > is actually King Crimson. > > > Greg Lake is one of them. > > > personally, i'm inclined to follow Robert's talk of King Crimson being > a living, breathing entity and not tied to a certain era or specific > group of people. YMMV. > > > THRAK means as much to me as Red or Earthbound. it would have meant > more to me if David Sylvian had taken Fripp up on his offer of joining > KC though. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 20:32:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A1VGp25686; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:31:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:31:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=cmLsnhN9e3NJGMY9HVqSur82TAWADWYmmZP/mwGRaz8+ZpJlSgOeVn3Lh1YCGUrRtgQOZoGDRWbUCnsN66rFtobQox3HbpiZE7x2TuHBTXNvb+cZiPyagj4BFnKDnBDcpcshnQERr+lpYEzTja1StBEDO5xv4mOhI4KTH2bobRA= ; Message-ID: <20050210013000.31181.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: electronic music pioneers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In 1989, three weeks after Louis Barron's death, Andrea Juno and V. Vale conducted a substantial, informative and entertaining interview with Bebe Barron and her 2nd husband Leonard Neubaiuer. It's available (maybe still in print??) in a collection called 'Incredibly Strange Music, Vol. II' from Re/Search Publications (ISBN: 0-940642-21-2) that came out in '94. I got my copy in a used/overstock bookstore... In the book there are a few photos of the Barrons in their studio circa 1955, but I'm not sure that they're not the same as the ones from the Time article... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 21:14:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A2Ca931666; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:12:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:12:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a4pGwh7A6cM1dMOrAhK8xjf8u81KHj7JbA4A7pOK/6qJtbh7gw0pVeLIW+vdzpIh; Message-ID: <410-22005241021917220@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electronic music pioneers Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:19:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9402aa88961bbe508a5c1bd8eaab2e390d6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Man, Richard, you've known some heavy hitters! Regarding books about great out-there music, had I already mentioned the '60s tome "New Directions In Sound"? I happened across it at a music school in Cambridge while my daughter was taking a class. Aw, what I am I talking about, Richard? You probably WROTE the darn thing! ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Zvonar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 2/9/2005 5:07:17 PM Subject: Re: electronic music pioneers At 4:43 PM -0800 2/8/05, Dennis Montgomery wrote: FYI: The book "Electronic and Experimental Music" by Thom Holmes also has a few pages (and photo) on the Barron's contributions. This looks like a good book! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415936446/ref=sib_rdr_dp/103-5679469-8386238 The photos from the Time magazine article are wonderful. Unfortunately they seem to be the only photo documentation of the Barrons in their studio, and there seems to be nothing of them in their social/creative milieu (with the John Cage, Anaïs Nin, Maya Deren, et al). There is need for an archaeological dig through Bebe's storage locker and Mary Ellen Kabat's (Louis's second wife's) garage. When I was doing my article on the Barrons for e|i magazine I got the loan of all the Time photos, some family shots such as (Louis, Bebe, and son Adam with sombreros and a burro in Tijuana), and I borrowed a stack of Louis's note cards from his second son David. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Re: electronic music pioneers
Man, Richard, you've known some heavy hitters!
 
Regarding books about great out-there music, had I already mentioned the '60s tome "New Directions In Sound"? I happened across it at a music school in Cambridge while my daughter was taking a class.
Aw, what I am I talking about, Richard? You probably WROTE the darn thing!
 
 
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At 4:43 PM -0800 2/8/05, Dennis Montgomery wrote:
FYI:  The book "Electronic and Experimental Music" by Thom Holmes also has a few pages (and photo) on the Barron's contributions.

This looks like a good book!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415936446/ref=sib_rdr_dp/103-5679469-8386238

The photos from the Time magazine article are wonderful. Unfortunately they seem to be the only photo documentation of the Barrons in their studio, and there seems to be nothing of them in their social/creative milieu (with the John Cage, Anaïs Nin, Maya Deren, et al). There is need for an archaeological dig through Bebe's storage locker and Mary Ellen Kabat's (Louis's second wife's) garage.

When I was doing my article on the Barrons for e|i magazine I got the loan of all the Time photos, some family shots such as (Louis, Bebe, and son Adam with sombreros and a burro in Tijuana), and I borrowed a stack of Louis's note cards from his second son David.
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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 21:24:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A2NGS01438; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:23:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:23:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502100222.CSY09863@ms1.netsolmail.com> From: "Norm Sohl" To: Subject: RE: OT the best cheap recording solution Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:22:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0097_01C50ED4.4E5A17F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 thread-index: AcUOrkx4xnlxuXpARCycbbayB+I7+AAZ2m8Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D60@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C50ED4.4E5A17F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use the MZ-NH900 (street price around 300.00)-I usually record compressed, but on occasion record wav. I have similar complaints to Duncan-My experience with Sony is very poor. I should mention that Sony has finally come out with a utility to copy your own mic recordings into an unencrypted format like WAV. I usually get around 4 hours of recording on a disk, and the battery life is pretty good-in the same ballpark. For my use, that is good enough. I think if I was making the purchase today, I'd strongly consider the Marantz PMD 660 solid-state recorder. But now we are getting away from cheap! --Norm _____ From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:OT the best cheap recording solution >> I'm intriged by the new Hi-MD format, which allows 1GB disc capacity as well as linear PCM recording. There's even an entry-level model in your price range, the MZ-NH600D at $200.<< I have the nh700. it's a bunch of crap, to coin a phrase. here's a short list of stuff that is wrong with this line of machines: they have some adjustment on the mic sensitivity & the agc behaviour, but still can't be used in what I would call a normal live-band environment. you have to pad the mic with tiny resistors, which messes up the plug-in power. mine skips on playback of it's own recordings. they eat batteries. sony recommends the use of the mains adaptor when recording pcm-style. still no optical out. I thought there was a way to make standard md format recordings on it, but now I can't find it. it has it's own "normal" mode which is somewhere between lp2 & lp4 on an older md-deck. there's an extended play/record mode that lets you record 10 hours on an 80' disc, & upto 50 hours on the 1Gb discs. if you can find them. no UK stockist has these blanks yet, so I've just got the one that came with the deck. the pcm recording mode puts about 28 minutes onto the 80 minute media, & about 90 on the 1Gb BUT there's no way to get the audio off of the machine except through the line-out, which is the headphone socket. the supplied software lets you put wavs or mp3s or w.h.y. onto the disc, but doesn't let you export back into y'r computer. that last sucks the most of all, out of all the things that are wrong. also (I just remembered this one) any/all audio connections to the machine have to have a ferrite clamp around their cabling, adjacent to the md deck. sony supply these with it, like they knew there was an issue but had to fudge it at the last minute. it wasn't even particularly cheap. if you are inclined to go down the md route, buy one that's a) not a sony & b) that has (definitely for sure & have the salesman show you what happens when you switch the unit off & back on again) a MANUAL record level mode that stays put when the deck is off, i.e. doesn't reset to auto. these are getting harder to find, as are decent sales people who know w.t.f. the machine is all about. I have recorded live material for cd release, by my own band & others, on a sharp md-mt20. it's chunky, & only works in standard (80 minute max) mode, but the results never fail to astonish me (see elsewhere for how atrac actually helps live recordings, while it may not be everyone's cup of tea for absolute fidelity). I bought the sony so I could retire the sharp, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. for post, I transfer the audio off of a denon dmd-m31 hifi deck optically into the matching denon cd recorder. hth- duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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I use the MZ-NH900 (street price around 300.00)—I usually = record compressed, but on occasion record wav.

I have similar complaints to Duncan—My experience with Sony is very poor.  I should mention  that = Sony has finally come out with a utility to copy your own mic recordings into an unencrypted format like WAV.   I usually get around 4 hours of recording on a disk, and the battery life is pretty good—in the = same ballpark.  For my use, that is good enough.  I think if I was = making the purchase today, I’d strongly consider the Marantz PMD 660 = solid-state recorder.  But now we are getting away from = cheap!

--Norm

 

From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February = 09, 2005 5:48 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>> I'm intriged by the new Hi-MD format, which allows 1GB disc capacity as = well as linear PCM recording. There's even an entry-level model in your price = range, the MZ-NH600D at $200.<<

I have the nh700. it's a bunch of crap, to coin a phrase.
here's a short list of = stuff that is wrong with this line of machines:

they have some adjustment on the mic sensitivity & the agc behaviour, but = still can't be used in what I would call a normal live-band environment. you have to = pad the mic with tiny resistors, which messes up the plug-in = power.

mine skips on playback of it's own recordings.

they eat batteries. sony recommends the use of the mains adaptor when recording pcm-style.

still no optical out.

I thought there was a way to make standard md format recordings on it, but now I = can't find it.
it has it's own = "normal" mode which is somewhere between lp2 & lp4 on an older = md-deck.
  =
there's an extended = play/record mode that lets you record 10 hours on an 80' disc, & upto 50 hours = on the 1Gb discs.
if you can find them. no = UK = stockist has these blanks yet, so I've just got the one that came with the = deck.

the pcm recording mode puts about 28 minutes onto the 80 minute media, & = about 90 on the 1Gb
BUT there's no way to = get the audio off of the machine except through the line-out, which is the headphone = socket.
the supplied software = lets you put wavs or mp3s or w.h.y. onto the disc, but doesn't let you export back = into y'r computer.

 
that last sucks the most = of all, out of all the things that are wrong.

also (I just remembered this one) any/all audio connections to the machine have = to have a ferrite clamp around their cabling, adjacent to the md deck. sony = supply these with it, like they knew there was an issue but had to fudge it at = the last minute.

it wasn't even particularly cheap.

if you are inclined to go down the md route, buy one that's a) not a sony & = b) that has (definitely for sure & have the salesman show you what = happens when you switch the unit off & back on again) a MANUAL record level = mode that stays put when the deck is off, i.e. doesn't reset to = auto.

these are getting harder to find, as are decent sales people who know w.t.f. the = machine is all about.

I have recorded live material for cd release, by my own band & others, on a = sharp md-mt20. it's chunky, & only works in standard (80 minute max) mode, = but the results never fail to astonish me (see elsewhere for how atrac = actually helps live recordings, while it may not be everyone's cup of tea for = absolute fidelity).

I bought the sony so I could retire the sharp, but that's not going to happen = anytime soon.
for post, I transfer the = audio off of a denon dmd-m31 hifi deck optically into the matching denon cd = recorder.

hth-
duncan.



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------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C50ED4.4E5A17F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 21:30:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A2TVX02650; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:29:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:29:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.212.71] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: OT ELP/JP (rip) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:27:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 02:28:00.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[23FB7140:01C50F18] Resent-Message-ID: <8lg7EC.A.fo.mbsCCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The music I play sounds nothing like,in fact has no obvious continuity with what I was playing in 1970-Thank God.I'm sure I seem to be a really different person than I was then.But I still use the same name. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 21:38:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A2ahX03704; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:36:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:36:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.212.71] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <410-22005241021917220@earthlink.net> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electronic music pioneers Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:35:41 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 02:36:00.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[421441B0:01C50F19] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could you mane New Directions in Music by David Cope? Regarding books about great out-there music, had I already mentioned the '60s tome "New Directions In Sound" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 9 23:24:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A4Msj16671; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:22:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:22:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <148.3df9b7c6.2f3c3b2e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:21:02 EST Subject: Re: Yet another new free VST looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/9/05 7:37:13 AM, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: << has anyone found one that does the Mellotron? >> I noticed this http://www.tweakbench.com/instruments.php?id=6 called Tapeworm. Not exactly mellotron but sort of. BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 02:49:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A7lD806956; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:47:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:47:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050210013000.31181.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050210013000.31181.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:42:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: electronic music pioneers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:30 PM -0800 2/9/05, Tim Nelson wrote: >Leonard Neubaiuer They spelled Leonard's name wrong. It's Neubauer. >'Incredibly Strange Music, Vol. II' from Re/Search Publications >(ISBN: 0-940642-21-2) A wonderfully quirky book. The interview with Bebe is very good. Also excellent are the articles by Ted Greenwald in Keyboard Magazine, Feb 1, 1986 and the article in special Forbidden Planet issue of Cinefantastique. I used all of these in preparing my e|i article. >In the book there are a few photos of the Barrons in their studio >circa 1955, but I'm not sure that they're not the same as the ones >from the Time article... They are from the same series. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 02:57:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A7u4d08232; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:56:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <410-22005241021917220@earthlink.net> References: <410-22005241021917220@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:54:12 -0800 To: mungenast@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: electronic music pioneers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1104100359==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1104100359==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:19 PM -0500 2/9/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: >Man, Richard, you've known some heavy hitters! It comes from being really old and hanging around where the interesting people are. >Regarding books about great out-there music, had I already mentioned >the '60s tome "New Directions In Sound"? Could that be "New Directions in Music" by David Cope? The first edition was 1971. We used that as a text in a new music class I took in Santa Cruz in '75. I have the second edition, published in 1976 (it's now in its seventh edition). David Cope is one of the hardest working men in akademia. He has written music in many styles and written many books about music. A friend of mine who studied with him at UCSC said he was an excellent teacher. When Cope hit a creative block a few years ago he wrote a series of computer programs to analyze and compose music in many styles, and of course he wrote a series of books about the software. http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/ http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/bibliography.htm http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/experiments.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1104100359==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: electronic music pioneers
At 9:19 PM -0500 2/9/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote:
Man, Richard, you've known some heavy hitters!

It comes from being really old and hanging around where the interesting people are.
Regarding books about great out-there music, had I already mentioned the '60s tome "New Directions In Sound"?

Could that be "New Directions in Music" by David Cope?  The first edition was 1971. We used that as a text in a new music class I took in Santa Cruz in '75. I have the second edition, published in 1976 (it's now in its seventh edition).

David Cope is one of the hardest working men in akademia. He has written music in many styles and written many books about music. A friend of mine who studied with him at UCSC said he was an excellent teacher. When Cope hit a creative block a few years ago he wrote a series of computer programs to analyze and compose music in many styles, and of course he wrote a series of books about the software.

http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/

http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/bibliography.htm

http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/experiments.htm
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--============_-1104100359==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 03:18:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A8GJB10624; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:16:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:16:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200502100222.CSY09863@ms1.netsolmail.com> References: <200502100222.CSY09863@ms1.netsolmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:07:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: OT the best cheap recording solution Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1104099158==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1104099158==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:22 PM -0800 2/9/05, Norm Sohl wrote: >I'd strongly consider the Marantz PMD 660 solid-state recorder. But >now we are getting away from cheap! That's another one I've gazed at longingly from afar, and at $500 for a 2-track recorder with XLR inputs, phantom power, and mic pres (as well as built-in mics) it makes an attractive alternative to both the Edirol R-1 and R-4. www.niehoff.nl/marantz/pmd660.pdf The PMD-670 is a little more "pro" version at $700. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1104099158==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: OT the best cheap recording solution
At 6:22 PM -0800 2/9/05, Norm Sohl wrote:

I'd strongly consider the Marantz PMD 660 solid-state recorder.  But now we are getting away from cheap!

That's another one I've gazed at longingly from afar, and at $500 for a 2-track recorder with XLR inputs, phantom power, and mic pres (as well as built-in mics) it makes an attractive alternative to both the Edirol R-1 and R-4.

www.niehoff.nl/marantz/pmd660.pdf

The PMD-670 is a little more "pro" version at $700.

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--============_-1104099158==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 03:51:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A8o6L15646; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:50:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:50:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050210083718.02b30290@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:48:22 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #82 In-Reply-To: <200502092119.j19LJk421411@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502092119.j19LJk421411@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3PAlqD.A.fzD.aAyCCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 21:19 09/02/05, you wrote: >CAn anybody help me? Please... AFAIK the Roland FC-200 is very limited in what it can do for Note-On-Offs. You could try with CC values;- EDP ControlSource = Ctr then a CC value of 0 is equivalent to note-off Last time I looked Roland didn't have the manual on-line, but I have had a brief look at it some time ago. The unit will send either notes, or CC, or ProgChange depending on it's "mode". The notes are always laid out in keyboard fashion. there seemed to be a couple of options for CC, which might allow you to send CC value=0 on release of the pedal (for normal EDP operation), and also an option to send just one value. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 03:59:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1A8wKZ17397; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:58:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050210085501.02b31bc0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:56:09 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: electronic music pioneers In-Reply-To: <200502100045.j1A0jbC19613@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502100045.j1A0jbC19613@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The photos from the Time magazine article are wonderful. Unfortunately >they seem to be the only photo documentation of the Barrons in their studio, hi Richard, Do you have a date for the magazine? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 05:59:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AAutZ31889; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:56:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:56:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020901c50f5e$f0026b40$0100a8c0@Robin> From: "Cox" To: References: <003e01c50ec9$0d3c7b10$0100a8c0@Robin> <420A6C58.50000@sun.com> Subject: Re: EDP and FC-200: Can I send only a "note off"? Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:54:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. Thank you for your help, Jeff and Andy (always here when people need help!) I'm working with the CC mode, which indeed allows many options, as for example the possibility of determining whether the pedal works as latch type or momentary type pedals when sending control change message. You can have a seperate setting for each pedal. (when I said "note off", I actually meant a CC value=0) But unfortunately, it seems impossible to send directly a "off" message. You have to first send a "on" by pressing the pedal, and the "off" will come after the second press or by releasing depending on the mode (latch or momentary)... After all I've tried, I think there's no option to send just one value... But I may be wrong? It's not a really big problem, as I can switch between loops either by assigning each loop to a pedal, or use virtual "next loop" button. But it woul have been simpler for me to also use the "previous loop" function. Thanks anyway, and if you have any other idea, do not hesitate! ;-) A K butler wrote: AFAIK the Roland FC-200 is very limited in what it can do for Note-On-Offs. You could try with CC values;- EDP ControlSource = Ctr then a CC value of 0 is equivalent to note-off Last time I looked Roland didn't have the manual on-line, but I have had a brief look at it some time ago. The unit will send either notes, or CC, or ProgChange depending on it's "mode". The notes are always laid out in keyboard fashion. there seemed to be a couple of options for CC, which might allow you to send CC value=0 on release of the pedal (for normal EDP operation), and also an option to send just one value. andy butler Jeff wrote: > This is an issue for the FC-200, do you have the manual? > > From what little I was able to gather on the web about the > FC-200 when I was looking at foot controllers awhile ago, > I doubt you can make it send only a note off. Most foot > controllers in "note mode" send note on when you press > and note off when you release, which is almost always > what you want. > > Look in the manual for any references to things like "MIDI bytes" > or "MIDI string", if you can configure a switch to send an arbitrary > string of MIDI bytes then you're golden. But this is a rather > rare feature. > > More likely, a switch can be configured to send one program change, > control change, or note message. Find the description of how to specify > the type of message. If all it says is "note" then you're probably > out of luck. If you see specific phrases "note on" and "note off" then > you might be able to do what you want. > > Since you were able to ferret out the relatively obscure SUSNextLoop > trick in the formidable EDP manual, I would think you could > find out how to program switches in the FC-200 manual :-) > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 08:47:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ADj0t17192; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:45:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:45:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1108042978!4609617!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D72@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT the best cheap recording solution Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:41:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C50F76.3C901400" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C50F76.3C901400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Many of the problems you cite seem to be endemic to minidiscs (at least the Sony models).<< experiences I've had with other models (the aforementioned sharp & denon machines, & our drummer's HHB pro-portable) would indicate that the problem is sony's own implementation rather than a general format shortcoming. I'm actually a fan of atrac in the right context; it does seem to be good at masking unwanted noises when you are in an acoustically lively environment.... but I concur that it does strange & sometimes unwelcome things in terms of overall fidelity; albums that I've known for years sounded almost remixed on the md. so it does a reasonable job of capturing live sound- it's shortcomings work in it's favour, because atrac compression is (reputedly) modelled on the behaviour of human hearing. but when you expect 100% fidelity... it's just not there. >>the ability to dump from MD to computer is restricted.<< the biggest nuisance of all. so I dump my 80' md's onto 80' cd-r using the denon units. not everyone can afford this kind of approach, I realise.... >>One thing that's interesting about the Edirol R-4 is that it can do four tracks simultaneously<< I'll be looking into this, but I do like the removable media of md, & it's easy availability. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>Many of the problems you cite seem to be endemic = to minidiscs (at least the Sony models).<<

experiences I've had with other models (the aforementione= d sharp & denon machines, & our drummer's HHB pro-portable) would i= ndicate that the problem is sony's own implementation rather than a general= format shortcoming.

I'm actually a fan of atrac in the right context; it does= seem to be good at masking unwanted noises when you are in an acoustically= lively environment.... but I concur that it does strange & sometimes u= nwelcome things in terms of overall fidelity; albums that I've known for ye= ars sounded almost remixed on the md.

so it does a reasonable job of capturing live sound- it's= shortcomings work in it's favour, because atrac compression is (reputedly)= modelled on the behaviour of human hearing. but when you expect 100% fidel= ity... it's just not there.

>>the ability to dump from MD to computer is restri= cted.<<

the biggest nuisance of all. so I dump my 80' md's onto 8= 0' cd-r using the denon units. not everyone can afford this kind of approac= h, I realise....

>>One thing that's interesting about the Edirol R-4= is that it can do four tracks simultaneously<<

I'll be looking into this, but I do like the removable me= dia of md, & it's easy availability.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C50F76.3C901400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 09:20:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AEH7A21423; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:17:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:17:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1108044910!5304029!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D73@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:14:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C50F7A.C7AE8FE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C50F7A.C7AE8FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>The music I play sounds nothing like,in fact has no obvious continuity with what I was playing in 1970-Thank God.I'm sure I seem to be a really different person than I was then.But I still use the same name.<< yeah, but fripp is using a name that at various times has meant a collective, & not just him. in fact, on more than one occasion, he's been sitting at the rear of such a collective, unlit.... I think there's a suspicion amongst some of us that he drags out this moniker when fortunes are flagging, & that to some degree he is inviting the audience to make associations with crimsons past. at one & the same time, therefore, he is suggesting that the various musicians involved are "in" king crimson & that they are therefore part of an ongoing process of crimson-ness, while distancing himself from any responsibility for the outcome (by not highlighting his own name or indeed presence). we all know, of course, that "king crimson" means "the robert fripp band" & that it won't be doing a version of "I talk to the trees" though it will likely have a stab at "21CSM" by way of appeasing the crowd. he's not fooling us. the "exposure" album (one of my favourite fripp projects) could legitimately have been labelled "king crimson", as could the various "projekct" releases or the "league of gentlemen" albums. they had different personnel (though wetton receives a credit in "exposure"'s sleevenotes for unspecified reasons), granted, but then so did all of the crimson albums.... there never was a stable line-up, never the same people for more than two releases until the discipline line-up. & the third was a struggle. it's interesting that he avoided using the branding while punk was raging, since he had himself coined the phrase "dinosaur rock" to describe the sorts of musical endeavours so despised by the punk-espousing music press of the time. there is nothing really to link the first crimson album with anything subsequent, except that the second one is almost a carbon-copy of it. it more closely resembles some of what lake went on to do with ELP ("take a pebble" for example). & returning to the end of the 70s, he'd just abandoned the three-part project of which "exposure" was one element (there's also "sacred songs" by daryl hall, on which fripp played & produced about half of the material), then there was the league of gentlemen.... I think he thought that adding "discipline" as a name for his new outfit would just confuse people, especially as he'd got bill bruford involved again. I was 17 or 18 at the time.... punk had killed itself & it's girlfriend.... & it seemed quite logical that this new outfit should be a king crimson. but from this distance, & with what he's done with the name in the meantime, it seems like an unfortunate habit.... a way of saying "robert fripp projekct" without using his own name.... he doesn't like drawing attention to himself, does he? duncan/r.m.i. (est. 1982) *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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>>The music I play sounds nothing like,in fact has = no obvious continuity
with what I was playing in 1970-Thank God.I'm sure I see= m to be a really
different person than I was then.But I still use the sam= e name.<<

yeah, but fripp is using a name that at various times has= meant a collective, & not just him. in fact, on more than one occasion= , he's been sitting at the rear of such a collective, unlit....

I think there's a suspicion amongst some of us that he dr= ags out this moniker when fortunes are flagging, & that to some degree = he is inviting the audience to make associations with crimsons past.

at one & the same time, therefore, he is suggesting t= hat the various musicians involved are "in" king crimson & th= at they are therefore part of an ongoing process of crimson-ness, while dis= tancing himself from any responsibility for the outcome (by not highlightin= g his own name or indeed presence).

we all know, of course, that "king crimson" mea= ns "the robert fripp band" & that it won't be doing a version= of "I talk to the trees" though it will likely have a stab at &q= uot;21CSM" by way of appeasing the crowd. he's not fooling us. =

the "exposure" album (one of my favourite fripp= projects) could legitimately have been labelled "king crimson", = as could the various "projekct" releases or the "league of g= entlemen" albums.

they had different personnel (though wetton receives a cr= edit in "exposure"'s sleevenotes for unspecified reasons), grante= d, but then so did all of the crimson albums.... there never was a stable l= ine-up, never the same people for more than two releases until the discipli= ne line-up. & the third was a struggle.

 
it's interesting that he avoided using the branding whil= e punk was raging, since he had himself coined the phrase "dinosaur ro= ck" to describe the sorts of musical endeavours so despised by the pun= k-espousing music press of the time.

there is nothing really to link the first crimson album w= ith anything subsequent, except that the second one is almost a carbon-copy= of it.

it more closely resembles some of what lake went on to do= with ELP ("take a pebble" for example).

& returning to the end of the 70s, he'd just abandone= d the three-part project of which "exposure" was one element (the= re's also "sacred songs" by daryl hall, on which fripp played &am= p; produced about half of the material), then there was the league of gentl= emen.... I think he thought that adding "discipline" as a name fo= r his new outfit would just confuse people, especially as he'd got bill bru= ford involved again.

I was 17 or 18 at the time.... punk had killed itself &am= p; it's girlfriend.... & it seemed quite logical that this new outfit s= hould be a king crimson.

but from this distance, & with what he's done with th= e name in the meantime, it seems like an unfortunate habit.... a way of say= ing "robert fripp projekct" without using his own name....=

he doesn't like drawing attention to himself, does he?

duncan/r.m.i. (est. 1982)



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C50F7A.C7AE8FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 09:42:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AEepF25482; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:40:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:40:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010c01c50f7d$f92e0ac0$6f00a8c0@tl.no> From: "markred" To: Subject: GIG (???) SPAM ---Mark Francombe playing LIVE on ResonanceFM (Thursday 10th Feb 8pmGMT) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:36:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0109_01C50F86.5ABBD260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01C50F86.5ABBD260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark Francombe playing LIVE on ResonanceFM (Thursday 10th Feb 8pmGMT) Just a bit of SPAM to let you all know that I will be playing LIVE on = Resonance Radio tonight. The event is part of the Furthernoise website curated evening which = starts at 7pm. I will be improvising live, via the internet with 2 other performers = using Furthernoise's "Visitors Studio".=20 =20 "The Visitors Studio is an open, multi-user, online arena for = creative dialogue, and collective performance where we invite you to = chat, mix and upload files to participate in the creation of new work." =20 All 3 of us will be seated comfortably in our own homes, (namely Norway, = America and Japan) have never met, and have only had brief discussions = on what we shall do. And one evening of "trying things out!" After the broadcast, Visitors Studio will be opened for all, and we will = all be available for chat, and anyone may then join in with fiddling = with the sounds and graphics. ResonanceFM is an experimental radio station in London England, that can = be accessed on 104.4FM in London or by clicking here: http://www.resonancefm.com/audio.htm ...if you wish to listen via the internet. CHOOSE YOUR PREFERRED = STREAMING SOLUTION (Media Player, WinAmp, or Real Player required) PLEASE LISTEN IN Cheers=20 Mark mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com FROM THE FURTHERNOISE WEBSITE Furthernoise on Resonance FM On February 10th from 7 - 8.30 PM [GMT] Furthernoise is taking = over a clear spot at Resonance FM where we are hosting an international = live net Jam in Visitors Studio featuring 3 selected sound artists = mixing live from their respective locations. I will also be chatting to Jodi Rose about the harmony of Bridges = and the launch of her Singing Bridges CD and airing the latest tracks by = featured Furthernoise artists. Net Jam artists are: John Kannenberg - US based A/V artist and curator of record label = and net art space Stasisfield www.johnkannenberg.com Midori Hirano - Tokyo based musician and sound artist who's EP = 'Poet at the Piano' is out on the Soundzfromnowhere label.=20 www009.upp.so-net.ne.jp/midori_web/ Mark Francombe - Oslo based British A/V artist who releases his = music through his own SynchNonSynch label and was a founding member of = 80's UK indie band Cranes.=20 www.markfrancombe.com Recommended headphone listening :) ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01C50F86.5ABBD260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark Francombe=20 playing LIVE on ResonanceFM (Thursday 10th Feb 8pmGMT)

Just a bit = of SPAM=20 to let you all know that I will be playing LIVE on Resonance Radio=20 tonight.
 
The event is=20 part of the Furthernoise website curated evening which starts at = 7pm.

I=20 will be improvising live, via the internet with 2 other performers using = Furthernoise's "Visitors Studio".
    =20
      "The Visitors Studio is an open, = multi-user,=20 online arena for creative dialogue, and collective performance where we = invite=20 you to chat, mix and upload files to participate in the creation of new=20 work."
    

All 3 of us will be seated=20 comfortably in our own homes, (namely Norway, America and Japan) have = never met,=20 and have only had brief discussions on what we shall do. And one evening = of  "trying things out!"

After the broadcast, Visitors = Studio will=20 be opened for all, and we will all be available for chat, and anyone may = then=20 join in with fiddling with the sounds and = graphics.


ResonanceFM is an=20 experimental radio station in London England, that can be accessed on = 104.4FM in=20 London or by clicking here:

http://www.resonancefm.com/audio.htm

...if you wish to listen via the = internet. CHOOSE=20 YOUR PREFERRED STREAMING SOLUTION
(Media Player, WinAmp, or Real = Player=20 required)

PLEASE LISTEN IN

Cheers

Mark

mark = francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
 
 
 


FROM THE = FURTHERNOISE=20 WEBSITE
      Furthernoise on Resonance=20 FM

      On February 10th from 7 - 8.30 = PM [GMT]=20 Furthernoise is taking over a clear spot at Resonance FM where we are = hosting an=20 international live net Jam in Visitors Studio featuring 3 selected sound = artists=20 mixing live from their respective=20 locations.

      I will also be chatting = to Jodi=20 Rose about the harmony of Bridges and the launch of her Singing Bridges = CD and=20 airing the latest tracks by featured Furthernoise=20 artists.

      Net Jam artists=20 are:

      John Kannenberg - US based = A/V artist=20 and curator of record label and net art space=20 Stasisfield

      www.johnkannenberg.com

      Midori = Hirano -=20 Tokyo based musician and sound artist who's EP 'Poet at the Piano' is = out on the=20 Soundzfromnowhere label.

     =20 www009.upp.so-net.ne.jp/midori_web/

     = Mark=20 Francombe - Oslo based British A/V artist who releases his music through = his own=20 SynchNonSynch label and was a founding member of 80's UK indie band = Cranes.=20

      www.markfrancombe.com

      = Recommended=20 headphone listening :)
------=_NextPart_000_0109_01C50F86.5ABBD260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 09:44:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AEb5M24743; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:37:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:37:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: OT the best cheap recording solution Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:35:19 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c50f7d$bf1796d0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 79, in=180, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Maratz PMD660 and PMD570 are what I considered a few weeks ago to replace my Sony Minidisk recorder. You probably remember my post where I requested feedback on recorders. Rick, if I had known, I would have sold you mine...it went for $200 on eBay with a Soundprofessionals mini stereo mic and preamp package. Here is the PMD570 user guide: http://www.jbsound.com.au/marantz-pmd570-manual.pdf (this is their latest rackmout that records directly to flash disk) More details here: http://www.proaudiosuperstore.com/marantz-PMD570.html However, based on Joe's feedback (no last name, but he's on the list here) I ended up buying the Alesis Masterlink ML9600 on eBay because it had a lot more editing features of the PMD recorders, such as normalization, parametric EQ, fade-in/fade-out, CD-R burner (redbook grade), records directly to hard disc, compression, look-ahead peak limiter, cut, paste, 24 bit A/D and D/A converters, up to 96 kHz sampling rate, balanced XLR analog input and output, 48 bit floating point DSP, AES and coaxil digital in and outs, etc, etc. Overall, this unit seemed better for recording live, editing my music, and burning it to CD-R ready to go for playback. I found mine on eBay used for $600 in excellent shape. More here: http://www.alesis.com/products/ml9600/about.html Kris -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT the best cheap recording solution At 6:22 PM -0800 2/9/05, Norm Sohl wrote: I'd strongly consider the Marantz PMD 660 solid-state recorder. But now we are getting away from cheap! That's another one I've gazed at longingly from afar, and at $500 for a 2-track recorder with XLR inputs, phantom power, and mic pres (as well as built-in mics) it makes an attractive alternative to both the Edirol R-1 and R-4. www.niehoff.nl/marantz/pmd660.pdf The PMD-670 is a little more "pro" version at $700. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 10:04:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AF1nR29218; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:01:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:01:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:56:27 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Sad Sad News To: Michael Firman , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b601c50f81$76c8dc00$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dig: I get in the car with my son (seven years old) to drive him to school, and the radio's on, and they're playing something really fast on a B-3, and my son says, "Turn it up! That's cool!" Of course it was part of a tribute to JS. He lives. dB, coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 10:18:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AFFEF31503; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:15:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:15:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.144.120] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody recognise this? / Aarset gear Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:13:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 15:14:02.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[2773CC80:01C50F83] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com probably old news now, but i managed to figure out what all the Aarset boxes were.... http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/aarset1.jpg http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/aarset2.jpg sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 10:25:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AFNRV00336; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:23:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:23:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Anybody recognise this? / Aarset gear Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:23:52 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c50f84$876aa4a0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1AFMaS32686 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In case anybody is wondering, the footswitch (in your picture with the remark "probably for the Eclipse") is a Boss FC-50. Features of this thing (I have one in my drawer): + five switches plus one A/B switch + bank select buttons + connectors for: + two expression pedals + two footswitches for CC messages + two footswitches for bank switching + the switches on the unit only send PCs and the unit is not in any way programmable Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: simeon harris [mailto:simeonharris@hotmail.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2005 16:13 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Anybody recognise this? / Aarset gear probably old news now, but i managed to figure out what all the Aarset boxes were.... http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/aarset1.jpg http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/aarset2.jpg sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 11:51:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AGmi417033; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:48:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:48:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050210164533.02b6a070@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:46:20 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: EDP and FC-200: Can I send only a "note off"? In-Reply-To: <200502101420.j1AEKJ622111@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502101420.j1AEKJ622111@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0hfu7D.A.dHE.iA5CCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 14:20 10/02/05, you wrote: >Thanks anyway, and if you have any other idea, do not hesitate! ;-) remember a longpress of nextLoop brings you to Loop no 1 andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 11:52:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AGoWo17504; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:50:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:50:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <27.6b8b09e6.2f3cea79@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:48:57 EST Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1108054137" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1108054137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Duncan, Due to the content of your post I can't help but think you have Fripp confused with Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch, a band more suited to your level of music marketing insight. 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 -------------------------------1108054137-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 11:57:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AGtoA18721; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:55:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <420B920A.7000807@neoprimitive.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:55:38 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p References: <27.6b8b09e6.2f3cea79@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <27.6b8b09e6.2f3cea79@aol.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f38418b64ed031091706248c80bb3baa350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: <0i1i9B.A.ujE.CI5CCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Reeeowww! Loopbozo@aol.com wrote: > Duncan, > > Due to the content of your post I can't help but think > you have Fripp confused with Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch, a band more > suited to your level of music marketing insight. Fripp's 40 plus year > career in the music industry is a clear sign that he is indeed doing > something right, even without your guidance....or mine. > > > sincerely, > > bryan helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 12:22:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AHKIG24186; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:20:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:20:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <023401c50f94$8db87660$0100a8c0@Robin> From: "Cox" To: References: <200502101420.j1AEKJ622111@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050210164533.02b6a070@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Re: EDP and FC-200: Can I send only a "note off"? Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:18:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, that's a good point! I ignored it (as many other things, I spent too much time trying to solve my "tick-tick" problem;). Thanks a lot, it helps! Didier ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Re:Re: EDP and FC-200: Can I send only a "note off"? > At 14:20 10/02/05, you wrote: > >Thanks anyway, and if you have any other idea, do not hesitate! ;-) > > remember a longpress of nextLoop brings you to Loop no 1 > > andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 12:38:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AHWWo26721; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:32:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:32:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050210173140.78670.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:31:40 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: looping and using monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050209222516.21841.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In ear monitors have gotten cheaper her in the US, but they're still pricey. Worth it though, IMO. I bypass all that by using a Roland Handsonic for percussion. I know, I know, it's not the same thing, but I dig that aspect of it. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=key/s=midi/search/detail/base_pid/277129/ Mark --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > hi folks, > i am being hired to do gigs where i lay down a > groove > with different percussion instruments then play and > sing on top of that.This is a new ball game for me > instead of just sitting and improvising and is > really > challenging switching between part a and b,singing, > playing,switching guitars and of course not fucking > up:-)But it thrills me lately and it seems to get > more > attention from the audience rather than playing with > a > drum machine.The problem i am having is getting the > sound bleeding out of the monitors into the loop and > yes, i do need a monitor to hear my singing.ive seen > some ear monitors but they are way expensive here, > can > anybody here using ear monitors give me a tip? do > most > of you looper-singer-guitarrists out there use > monitors on stage or avoid them all together? > Luis > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 12:42:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AHeoQ28871; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:40:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:40:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: looping and using monitors Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:39:11 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01c50f97$6e599490$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050210173140.78670.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 80, in=165, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <486otB.A.G8G.Mx5CCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great, just when I thought I was done buying things, you had to throw this into the mix! :) -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:32 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping and using monitors In ear monitors have gotten cheaper her in the US, but they're still pricey. Worth it though, IMO. I bypass all that by using a Roland Handsonic for percussion. I know, I know, it's not the same thing, but I dig that aspect of it. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=key/s=midi/search/detail/base_pid/ 277129/ Mark --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > hi folks, > i am being hired to do gigs where i lay down a > groove > with different percussion instruments then play and > sing on top of that.This is a new ball game for me > instead of just sitting and improvising and is > really > challenging switching between part a and b,singing, playing,switching > guitars and of course not fucking up:-)But it thrills me lately and it > seems to get more > attention from the audience rather than playing with > a > drum machine.The problem i am having is getting the > sound bleeding out of the monitors into the loop and > yes, i do need a monitor to hear my singing.ive seen > some ear monitors but they are way expensive here, > can > anybody here using ear monitors give me a tip? do > most > of you looper-singer-guitarrists out there use > monitors on stage or avoid them all together? > Luis > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 12:48:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AHjT030113; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:45:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:45:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Anybody recognise this? / Aarset gear Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:43:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 10, 2005, at 16:13, simeon harris wrote: > probably old news now, but i managed to figure out what all the Aarset > boxes were.... > http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/aarset1.jpg > http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/aarset2.jpg > > sim How could you be able to figure that out? I'm deeply impressed. Thanks for posting. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 12:56:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AHsQi32105; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:54:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:54:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <18283051.1108057983812.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:53:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I only wish I could see what Bryan was responding to, since it's kinda tough to backtrack through these long strings ;-) ~tim -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Lucas Sent: Feb 10, 2005 11:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p Reeeowww! Loopbozo@aol.com wrote: > Duncan, > > Due to the content of your post I can't help but think > you have Fripp confused with Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch, a band more > suited to your level of music marketing insight. Fripp's 40 plus year > career in the music industry is a clear sign that he is indeed doing > something right, even without your guidance....or mine. > > > sincerely, > > bryan helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 13:04:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AHxCQ01153; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:59:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:59:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Anybody recognise this? / Aarset gear Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:57:00 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:55:50 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 84.135.121.51 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: simeon harris > probably old news now, but i managed to figure out what all the Aarset boxes were.... not old news for me, thanks Simeon!!! I had been wondering the last time I saw him ... but even with knowledge about the hardware, I'm stumped at how he makes some sounds, e.g. that turkish-fretless-clarinet-whining thing ... -michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 13:16:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AIElQ03873; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:14:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:14:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D73@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D73@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <80F1D140-7B8F-11D9-9FF4-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:13:45 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <-Aufm.A.C6.kR6CCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 10, 2005, at 8:14 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I think there's a suspicion amongst some of us that he drags out this > moniker when fortunes are flagging, i'm speechless. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 13:18:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AIHxN04791; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:17:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:17:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1108059435!8035757!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D8A@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:16:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C50F9C.9A4F24C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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>>Reeeowww!  <hiss>  <hiss>&l= t;<

yeah, my sentiments exactly.
I'm not even going to dignify bryan's post with a respon= se. unless he assures us all that it was intended humorously.
:-)

duncan (a mere 25 years in the industry)




>Due to the content of your post I can't help but thin= k
> you have Fripp confused with Marky Mark and the Fun= ky Bunch, a band more
> suited to your level of music marketing insight. Fr= ipp's 40 plus year
> career in the music industry is a clear sign that h= e is indeed doing
> something right, even without your guidance....or m= ine.
> 
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> sincerely,  
>        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C50F9C.9A4F24C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 14:01:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AItvB12257; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:55:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:55:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D73@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D73@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-905470702 Message-Id: <3D6FDC37-7B95-11D9-A248-000A95748ADA@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:54:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <-40boD.A.l6C.h36CCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-905470702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Feb 10, 2005, at 6:14 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > I think there's a suspicion amongst some of us that he drags out this > [king crimson] moniker when fortunes are flagging, Anyone that has much experience working with Fripp knows enough not to second guess why he does things, but after a few years of working pretty closely with him on a bunch of music stuff (Soundscapes & King Crimson) I would say that this assessment is not very accurate. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-1-905470702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Feb 10, 2005, at 6:14 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: I think there's a suspicion amongst some of us that he drags out this [king crimson] moniker when fortunes are flagging, Anyone that has much experience working with Fripp knows enough not to second guess why he does things, but after a few years of working pretty closely with him on a bunch of music stuff (Soundscapes & King Crimson) I would say that this assessment is not very accurate. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-1-905470702-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 14:13:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AJC9G15775; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:12:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:12:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D8A@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D8A@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <81623B26-7B97-11D9-9FF4-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:11:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 10, 2005, at 12:16 PM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > duncan (a mere 25 years in the industry) 2 questions: A) are you okay with the name Tangerine Dream? Shouldn't it be The Edgar Froese Experience or perhaps The Ed & Jerry Show? B) do you feel that Edgar Froese is less pretentious than Robert Fripp? C) do you feel there is any truth to the rumour that Ed Froese was kicked off a Bowie session at the request of Bob Fripp? i don't, but it is a funny story. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 14:26:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AJOWh18499; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:24:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:24:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <420BB49F.5020009@biink.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:23:11 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D8A@lon-oxmail02> <81623B26-7B97-11D9-9FF4-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> In-Reply-To: <81623B26-7B97-11D9-9FF4-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > > C) do you feel there is any truth to the rumour that Ed Froese was > kicked off a Bowie session at the request of Bob Fripp? i don't, but > it is a funny story. Let's hear the story! Let's hear the story! Let's hear the story! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 14:57:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AJsBE26043; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:54:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:54:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=TqTkOk10UGA5dRgs4XXv3V5P1NrUimdld06nu7cZBhR7aOZ5hC5VuySvi/+z2rgsCEP5Us7/I/WmBWL4yVwb7v+IP/Bd5Z3hZk1lfL4yOtPZeNOEhpJ+5I0wofwK/UyyS2Vve4lwix5Pu6Bdocp0QHocOoWyt91/sx+g4B7fLPc= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:52:32 -0600 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D8A@lon-oxmail02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D8A@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: <0T2BE.A.xSG.pu7CCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The problem I see with a discussion like this is that the idea of limiting the use of a band's name to the particular style of music with which they made the name first known can only serve to either severely restrict the artists from developing/adapting/varying their style or to make it ever more difficult for fans to find the music. Perhaps we should think of some of these bands more like classical ensembles than as specific line-ups. Should the Kronos Quartet have changed their name when cellist Joan Jeanrenaud left and was replaced by Jennifer Culp? Why should they not be able to continue working under the ensemble name which they have spent years making a household name? Should the Chicago Symphony have changed its name when Sir George Solti stepped down? Should they change their name in the next couple years when Barenboim steps down? If an ensemble, of any stylistic leaning, builds a reputation of quality, should they not be able to continue using that name? "But a rock band is typically less stylistically diverse in its output than a string quartet or a symphony orchestra!" While that may be largely true, it obviously doesn't hold for bands like King Crimson, Pink Floyd, or even Yes. Personally, I think that if we pigeon-hole the styles or even rosters of any group, we may miss the whole point of the band. While, yes, Robert Fripp is the sole member of the family tree of King Crimson to be present in all incarnations (just as Chris Squire is the only one to be in all incarnations of Yes), I think the true common link between all incarnations of, e.g. King Crimson, is the composition and performance of a special kind of music. That special kind of music may be the kind that opens the door for Trent Reznor some 20+ years before he walks through, or it might be the kind of music that evokes the idea of a rock gamelan, or it might be a specific type of improvisation, or some combination of any/all of it. The point is, I look to King Crimson to provide a certain level of limit-pushing with each album. I don't care whether it's the double-trio, the double-duo, the 80s gamelan, the 70s trio, or w.h.y. I do care that they challenge me. To that end, there are some of the Projekct albums that serve as better Crim albums than the first of the albums to come out of the Projekcts (i.e. Construction of Light). It is the same thing I look(ed) to Yes for; I lost my taste for following them, however, when they released two double albums that contained a mix of live classics and woefully underdeveloped new material. In these days of Google searches, it probably doesn't matter what Fripp calls any bands he plays in, because I'm likely to be able to find it by doing a search for Fripp. But, if I'm at a record store and I'm looking for a particular type of music (not style, not genre, but perhaps rather philosophy) I know that I'll find it in King Crimson. Contrary to what was mentioned here, it seems that Fripp connects all of his non-solo/non-guest activities to King Crimson, even if it is evidenced only by the idiomatikc misspelling of Projekcts and various song titles with a hard-c sound. Actually, I don't care what he calls the band, I just wish they'd tour again so that I could see them again for only the second time, especially since it'd mean that I'd get to see/hear Tony Levin play live. Cheers, Jon Southwood From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 16:05:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AL3hl07841; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:03:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:03:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a5.30c58625.2f3d25d4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:02:12 EST Subject: don't know about fripp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a5.30c58625.2f3d25d4_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a5.30c58625.2f3d25d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit but i am enjoying "SYNCED" by misters: INAMI/WAGNER/WALKER.....a live set played at the LUGGAGE STORE in san fran this past october.....punk ambient comes to mind.....i love the sound of a grouploop!.....sunao or bernard, what was used to record this performance?.....i don't remember!.....michael --part1_1a5.30c58625.2f3d25d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable but i am enjoying "S= YNCED"  by misters: INAMI/WAGNER/WALKER.....a live set played at the L= UGGAGE STORE in san fran this past october.....punk ambient comes to mind...= ..i love the sound of a grouploop!.....sunao or bernard, what was used to re= cord this performance?.....i don't remember!.....michael --part1_1a5.30c58625.2f3d25d4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 16:11:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ALAqO10265; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:10:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:10:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <155.4a1364b4.2f3d278b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:09:31 EST Subject: "SYNCED" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_155.4a1364b4.2f3d278b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_155.4a1364b4.2f3d278b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit also.....the cd package is just wonderful.....you push a lever and the cd is "ejected" partially from the case.....beyond slick!.....and the cover art is lovely! --part1_155.4a1364b4.2f3d278b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable also.....the cd pack= age is just wonderful.....you push a lever and the cd is "ejected" partially= from the case.....beyond slick!.....and the cover art is lovely!= = --part1_155.4a1364b4.2f3d278b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 16:23:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ALM5f13478; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:22:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:22:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.0.137] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:20:58 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 21:21:00.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B4892F0:01C50FB6] Resent-Message-ID: <9NVrmC.A.mOD.DB9CCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Those who beleive that it is less than honest and honorable for musicians to do things for financial reasons are basically making it difficult to impossible for they themselves to make a living in music. Isn't it hard enough already? Once contracts have been signed,a band name is a brand ,and a marketing vehicle. if you want to sell recordings/tickets,packaging is necessary,the package is the vehicle to deliver the goods.Since people in modern industrial countries have been trained to respond to name recognition ( it's called branding -not too different from branding cattle) it is necessary to work with that reality in order to sell recordings/tickets,just as it's necessary to work with the conventions of staging,electrical current standards etc..Now some people in music put everything into packaging ,but there's little or nothing in the box-or it's like cotton candy -tatstes sweet but when you try and swallow it,nothing reaches your stomach ,there's no nutrition.On the other hand I often encounter creative, imaginative intelligent ,soulful artists who put no energy into business .Some of them consider themselves to have artistic purity because they don't stoop to commerce but then have limited time to devote to their art because they have to make money to live,y doing something that they only do for the money.Some purity. Certainly very fine works can be produced with no commercial intent by people who do other work that is satisfying.Well and good but no reason to dismiss folks who are trying to make a living in music.Zappa,according to his autobiography spent years turning out music aimed at teenagers ,and touring the auditorium circuit in a music business he absolutley hated,trying to raise money to hire orchestras to play his serious works. If Fripp was just turning out commercial crap to make money I would consider criticism valid,but to use an established name to sell recordings which are imaginative, creative,original,take artistic chances etc, seems completely reasonable to me.I think in fact an arguement could be made that the Court of era Crimson was a more commercially oriented venture than later incarnations.That music was made to be played in auditoriums for huge audiences.It's great music but it's not hard to think -here are some very talented classically trained musicians that have decided to try their hands at stadium rock-w/ glorious results. The current Crimson certainly doesn't play the big venues. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 16:36:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ALXYn16338; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:33:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:33:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:30:57 -0800 Subject: Re: "SYNCED" From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <155.4a1364b4.2f3d278b@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3190887057_286494_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3190887057_286494_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit also.....the cd package is just wonderful.....you push a lever and the cd is "ejected" partially from the case.....beyond slick!.....and the cover art is lovely! how do one be abled ta get this here? s --MS_Mac_OE_3190887057_286494_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: "SYNCED"
also.....the cd package is just wonderful....= .you push a lever and the cd is "ejected" partially from the case.= ....beyond slick!.....and the cover art is lovely!

how do one be abled ta get this here?
s --MS_Mac_OE_3190887057_286494_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 16:38:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ALaXt17361; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:36:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:36:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_goodfellas.real.com-19938-1108071347-0001-2" Message-Id: <420BD3B7.000044.03756@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:35:51 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_goodfellas.real.com-19938-1108071347-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_goodfellas.real.com-19938-1108071347-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_goodfellas.real.com-19938-1108071347-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0D =0D 100% agree!=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 02/10/05 13:21:17=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p=0D =0D Those who beleive that it is less than honest and honorable for musicia= ns=0D to do things for financial reasons are basically making it difficult to=0D impossible for they themselves to make a living in music. Isn't it hard=0D enough already? Once contracts have been signed,a band name is a brand ,a= nd=0D a marketing vehicle. if you want to sell recordings/tickets,packaging is=0D necessary,the package is the vehicle to deliver the goods.Since people in= =0D modern industrial countries have been trained to respond to name recognit= ion=0D ( it's called branding -not too different from branding cattle) it is=0D necessary to work with that reality in order to sell recordings/tickets,j= ust=0D as it's necessary to work with the conventions of staging,electrical curr= ent=0D standards etc..Now some people in music put everything into packaging ,bu= t=0D there's little or nothing in the box-or it's like cotton candy -tatstes=0D sweet but when you try and swallow it,nothing reaches your stomach ,there= 's=0D no nutrition.On the other hand I often encounter creative, imaginative=0D intelligent ,soulful artists who put no energy into business .Some of the= m=0D consider themselves to have artistic purity because they don't stoop to=0D commerce but then have limited time to devote to their art because they h= ave=0D to make money to live,y doing something that they only do for the money.S= ome=0D purity. Certainly very fine works can be produced with no commercial inte= nt=0D by people who do other work that is satisfying.Well and good but no reaso= n=0D to dismiss folks who are trying to make a living in music.Zappa,according= to=0D his autobiography spent years turning out music aimed at teenagers ,and=0D touring the auditorium circuit in a music business he absolutley=0D hated,trying to raise money to hire orchestras to play his serious works.= =0D If Fripp was just turning out commercial crap to make money I would consi= der=0D criticism valid,but to use an established name to sell recordings which a= re=0D imaginative, creative,original,take artistic chances etc, seems completel= y=0D reasonable to me.I think in fact an arguement could be made that the Cour= t=0D of era Crimson was a more commercially oriented venture than later=0D incarnations.That music was made to be played in auditoriums for huge=0D audiences.It's great music but it's not hard to think -here are some very= =0D talented classically trained musicians that have decided to try their han= ds=0D at stadium rock-w/ glorious results. The current Crimson certainly doesn= 't=0D play the big venues.=0D =0D =20 --=_goodfellas.real.com-19938-1108071347-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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100% agree!
 
 
 
 
Date: 02/10/05 13:= 21:17
Subject: Re: OT EL= P/JP f(rip)p
 
  Those who beleive that it is less than honest and honora= ble for musicians
to do things for financial reasons are basically making it difficult= to
impossible for they themselves to make a living in music. Isn't it h= ard
enough already? Once contracts have been signed,a band name is a bra= nd ,and
a marketing vehicle. if you want to sell recordings/tickets,packagin= g is
necessary,the package is the vehicle to deliver the goods.Since peop= le in
modern industrial countries have been trained to respond to name rec= ognition
( it's called branding -not too different from branding cattle) it i= s
necessary to work with that reality in order to sell recordings/tick= ets,just
as it's necessary to work with the conventions of staging,electrical= current
standards etc..Now some people in music put everything into packagin= g ,but
there's little or nothing in the box-or it's like cotton candy -tats= tes
sweet but when you try and swallow it,nothing reaches your stomach ,= there's
no nutrition.On the other hand I often encounter creative, imaginati= ve
intelligent ,soulful artists who put no energy into business .Some o= f them
consider themselves to have artistic purity because they don't stoop= to
commerce but then have limited time to devote to their art because t= hey have
to make money to live,y doing something that they only do for the mo= ney.Some
purity. Certainly very fine works can be produced with no commercial= intent
by people who do other work that is satisfying.Well and good but no = reason
to dismiss folks who are trying to make a living in music.Zappa,acco= rding to
his autobiography spent years turning out music aimed at teenagers ,= and
touring the auditorium circuit in a music business he absolutley
hated,trying to raise money to hire orchestras to play his serious w= orks.
If Fripp was just turning out commercial crap to make money I would = consider
criticism valid,but to use an established name to sell recordings wh= ich are
imaginative, creative,original,take artistic chances etc, seems comp= letely
reasonable to me.I think in fact an arguement could be made that the= Court
of era Crimson was a more commercially oriented venture than later
incarnations.That music was made to be played in auditoriums for hug= e
audiences.It's great music but it's not hard to think -here are some= very
talented classically trained musicians that have decided to try thei= r hands
at stadium rock-w/ glorious results.  The current Crimson = certainly doesn't
play the big venues.
 
 
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i'll try to put down my flamethrower long enough to actually discuss looping on this list. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 17:26:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AMOVp29032; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:24:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:24:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact announcements-help@thejambientproject.com; run by ezmlm X-No-Archive: yes List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Delivered-To: mailing list announcements@thejambientproject.com Delivered-To: moderator for announcements@thejambientproject.com Message-ID: <00aa01c50fbf$00e6e7f0$0202a8c0@deknow> From: "Dean Stiglitz" To: Subject: Upcoming Boston Shows, Online Music from The Jambient Project Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:22:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on mail1.onnetsecure.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, This is an announcements only list for The Jambient Project ( www.thejambientproject.com ), unsubscribe info is at the bottom of the message, and I apologize if you do not wish to be on this list...feel free to contact me (Dean Stiglitz) at deknow@deknow.com if you have questions. Personnel: Mark Sullivan (guitar & bass) Dean Stiglitz (electric flute, wind controlled synths, Buchla Thunder) Bob Trottier (electronic percussion & synths) & Doctor T (visuals) although not on this gig Playing for Red Bull's Art of the Can exhibit at the Artists for Humanity Epicenter. Located at 100 West Second St. South Boston 02127 The exhibit runs from February 26th - March 6th the jambient project sets are as follows: Thursday February 24th (7pm-9pm) pre-opening showing (this is a closed media night) email for more info Saturday February 26th (5pm-7pm) Opening Night Tuesday March 1st (8pm-10pm) For event info see http://www.redbullartofthecan.com/ For venue info including a very well done PDF map see http://www.afhboston.com/ Set times are always questionable in real world execution. There will be other artists before & after our sets. So times could change. This is a very nice gallery venue. Admission is Free. If you have seen us before, we thank you for your support and invite you to what should be a great setting for our music. If you haven't seen us and are looking for something different, this could be the cheap night out that you've been waiting for. Our new web site is just a few hours old. So please bookmark and check back as we have a ton of content to load up in the near future. There is an mp3 of an hour long live set on our site as well (for your listening pleasure). Again, more information is available at www.thejambientproject.com . Dean Stiglitz The Jambient Project Subscription address: announcements-subscribe@thejambientproject.com Unsubscription address: announcements-unsubscribe@thejambientproject.com contact: deknow@deknow.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 18:08:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1AN6Jq08122; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:06:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:06:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=QgOy5FrlRSqeSISN/a3twBiCV5zGTZdcJljdzhtuZCekVUEUs6r0DVJV0dSTwvvPYKhew0aVhVKlVtBUgvWvEvnRGpKQlUDXNgqwmpa8oUmf8EBi61WmHJLIBoS7X+phZrB9gKls7EDIVs/63y5EO1EA0OW50e5gAjk05mlc2wk= ; Message-ID: <20050210230510.44760.qmail@web50410.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:05:10 -0800 (PST) From: Devin Smith Subject: tape loops/tape delay anyone???? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1580474913-1108076710=:43320" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1580474913-1108076710=:43320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was wondering if anyone out there is building or has built a home-made tape delay unit. I know some people were talking about the double reel to reel "frippertronics" setup, but I was thinking more along the lines of a home-made Copycat style box. Something with a few (or more) heads, variable speed, and a tape loop. I heard somewhere (maybe on this digest???) a while back that Stockhausen had a single reel to reel that he had modified to do long delays equivalent to that of a twin setup. Anyone confirm this. Anyway, I ask because I've had this project in mind for some time: since before I got a looper in fact, though after acquiring a dl-4 and an echoplex, I'm still wanting to go ahead with this. It seems simple enough. I have a four head teac a-1200 (the fourth head is for auto reverse), 3 spare play heads of off various consumer model reel to reels of various makes, a couple of spring reverb units, and the desire to hook them all togethor. I was thinking that if anyone out there has built such a creation, we might be able to share some ideas. The things I am still trying to wrinkle out are head placement (and whether/how to make them moveable) and varible speed control. I looked into some dc speed controllers, and it looks like there are some relatively simple designs to choose from, most of them some or all assembly required. I just need to spec out what my voltage range requirements are and that sort of thing. Long loops will be accomodated by a sort of board mounted above the machine with a maze of sewing machine bobbins attached as tensioners. I'd like to have switches for each head, and maybe even a footswitch for sound on sound. I'd love to hear about any design ideas. Thanks, Devin --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --0-1580474913-1108076710=:43320 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I was wondering if anyone out there is building or has built a home-made tape delay unit. I know some people were talking about the double reel to reel "frippertronics" setup, but I was thinking more along the lines of a home-made Copycat style box. Something with a few (or more) heads, variable speed, and a tape loop. I heard somewhere (maybe on this digest???) a while back that Stockhausen had a single reel to reel that he had modified to do long delays equivalent to that of a twin setup. Anyone confirm this.
Anyway, I ask because I've had this project in mind for some time: since before I got a looper in fact, though after acquiring a dl-4 and an echoplex, I'm still wanting to go ahead with this. It seems simple enough. I have a four head teac a-1200 (the fourth head is for auto reverse), 3 spare play heads of off various consumer model reel to reels of various makes, a couple of spring reverb units, and the desire to hook them all togethor. I was thinking that if anyone out there has built such a creation, we might be able to share some ideas. The things I am still trying to wrinkle out are head placement (and whether/how to make them moveable) and varible speed control. I looked into some dc speed controllers, and it looks like there are some relatively simple designs to choose from, most of them some or all assembly required. I just need to spec out what my voltage range requirements are and that sort of thing.
Long loops will be accomodated by a sort of board mounted above the machine with a maze of sewing machine bobbins attached as tensioners. I'd like to have switches for each head, and maybe even a footswitch for sound on sound.
I'd love to hear about any design ideas.
Thanks,
Devin

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Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --0-1580474913-1108076710=:43320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 18:30:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ANS2m12692; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:28:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:28:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b601c50fc7$ef0ccff0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: looping and using monitors Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:26:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I"ve already posted this but since this discussion has come up: I am using Radio Shack wireless headphones straight off of my tape out on my Mackie 1402 VLZ mixer. I bought them on sale for $70 and they are FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!! the sound quality is good and, as a multi-instrumentalist I have the freedom to rove around, switch instruments, tweak my gear, run out and dance in the middle of the audience ................all the while listening perfectly to my loops. They also have enough bleed through so that if I"m playing with my brother (who uses guitar amps for some monitoring) I can hear him perfectly. The only thing you might want to do is put them in a hard shell carrying case as they are cheaply built with plastic or, hell, buy a second set they are sooooo damned cheap. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 19:10:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1B09xq22577; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:09:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:09:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <00b601c50fc7$ef0ccff0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00b601c50fc7$ef0ccff0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-924324612 Message-Id: <233E3747-7BC1-11D9-B62A-0030657377D0@telia.com> From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: looping and using monitors Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:09:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <3o983.A.qeF.oe_CCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-924324612 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi I've been using AKG IVM 1 for a number of years http://www.harmony-central.com/Events/SNAMM98/AKG/IVM-1.html http://www.akg.com/products/ powerslave,mynodeid,186,id,728,pid,728,_language,EN.html I'ts expensive but worth it. the thing that's so great about them is that it simulates the real thing. in other words you don't notice that you're listening through earphones I highly recommend you who doesn't feel comfortable with phones to try this system. (For the first time since I got tinnitus I can play and feel the sound again.) Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com --Apple-Mail-1-924324612 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi I've been using AKG IVM 1 for a number of years http://www.harmony-central.com/Events/SNAMM98/AKG/IVM-1.html http://www.akg.com/products/powerslave,mynodeid,186,id,728,pid,728,_language,EN.html I'ts expensive but worth it. the thing that's so great about them is that it simulates the real thing. in other words you don't notice that you're listening through earphones I highly recommend you who doesn't feel comfortable with phones to try this system. (For the first time since I got tinnitus I can play and feel the sound again.) Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com --Apple-Mail-1-924324612-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 19:58:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1B0vV232404; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:57:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:57:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <420C022E.6070607@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:54:06 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just finished listening to Larks Tongues Pt IV from the 'Happy with what you have to be happy with' EP. As I was getting joyously lost in the mayhem, it occured to me that I experienced very similar feelings as a 16 yr old listening to Larks Tongues Pt II 30 years ago. IMHO, the same spirit which animated the Larks Tongues Pt II band is still busy haunting (though for me the spirit was barely there in the 80's Discipline era). What else could this music be called other than King Crimson. Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 20:42:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1B1eZP09720; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:40:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:40:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.219.30] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <00b601c50f81$76c8dc00$9715be18@oemcomputer> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sad Sad News Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:38:55 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2005 01:39:01.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[763F1520:01C50FDA] Resent-Message-ID: <2CWBYB.A.BWC.tzADCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can I get a Witness?! Dig: I get in the car with my son (seven years old) to drive him to school, and the radio's on, and they're playing something really fast on a B-3, and my son says, "Turn it up! That's cool!" Of course it was part of a tribute to JS.     He lives. dB, coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 20:52:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1B1oJ511943; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:50:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:50:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.219.30] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050210230510.44760.qmail@web50410.mail.yahoo.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: tape loops/tape delay anyone???? Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:48:06 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2005 01:49:01.0030 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBD43860:01C50FDB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I was wondering if anyone out there is building or has built a home-made tape delay unit." I'm interested in such things too.I have several junk tape deckssaved for such a projetc,but haven't started.It seems like it would be possible to feed outputs of different heads to a mixer and do interesting things like seperate processing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 21:33:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1B2WXp22895; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:32:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:32:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KzIvIaYLkUGYA30Qv8Iwd7VC8Lw69ujABcerHdcaKlwj8refI5JQLNt0KPdO3kKo; Message-ID: <410-22005251123939910@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electronic music pioneers Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:39:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9402cf1fee16824febcd3eecfb9390a3333350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.143 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Richard asks: could that be "New Directions in Music" Tim says: D'oh!! Yes, that's it. There was an old novelty song about shirts with the line "new directions in sound as Roger solos on the electric shirt collar," and that has kept me from correctly remembering the book title. It is a great book, based on my quick read. I've got to hit the used bookstores soon... ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Zvonar To: mungenast@earthlink.net;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 2/10/2005 2:56:06 AM Subject: Re: electronic music pioneers At 9:19 PM -0500 2/9/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: Man, Richard, you've known some heavy hitters! It comes from being really old and hanging around where the interesting people are. Regarding books about great out-there music, had I already mentioned the '60s tome "New Directions In Sound"? Could that be "New Directions in Music" by David Cope? The first edition was 1971. We used that as a text in a new music class I took in Santa Cruz in '75. I have the second edition, published in 1976 (it's now in its seventh edition). David Cope is one of the hardest working men in akademia. He has written music in many styles and written many books about music. A friend of mine who studied with him at UCSC said he was an excellent teacher. When Cope hit a creative block a few years ago he wrote a series of computer programs to analyze and compose music in many styles, and of course he wrote a series of books about the software. http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/ http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/bibliography.htm http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/experiments.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Re: electronic music pioneers
Richard asks: could that be "New Directions in Music"
 
Tim says: D'oh!! Yes, that's it. There was an old novelty song about shirts with the line "new directions in sound as Roger solos on the electric shirt collar," and that has kept me from correctly remembering the book title.
 
It is a great book, based on my quick read. I've got to hit the used bookstores soon...
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 2/10/2005 2:56:06 AM
Subject: Re: electronic music pioneers

At 9:19 PM -0500 2/9/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote:
Man, Richard, you've known some heavy hitters!

It comes from being really old and hanging around where the interesting people are.
Regarding books about great out-there music, had I already mentioned the '60s tome "New Directions In Sound"?

Could that be "New Directions in Music" by David Cope?  The first edition was 1971. We used that as a text in a new music class I took in Santa Cruz in '75. I have the second edition, published in 1976 (it's now in its seventh edition).

David Cope is one of the hardest working men in akademia. He has written music in many styles and written many books about music. A friend of mine who studied with him at UCSC said he was an excellent teacher. When Cope hit a creative block a few years ago he wrote a series of computer programs to analyze and compose music in many styles, and of course he wrote a series of books about the software.

http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/

http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/bibliography.htm

http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/experiments.htm
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Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 21:49:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1B2ltE26590; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.219.30] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <410-22005251123939910@earthlink.net> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electronic music pioneers Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:46:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2005 02:47:00.0464 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5BBB700:01C50FE3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com x"new directions in sound as Roger solos on the electric shirt collar," ah yes by the wonderfuly eccentric even by English standards, Bonzo Dog Doodah Band From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 22:10:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1B38au31741; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:08:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:08:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:06:44 EST Subject: edp midi land To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b7.515225c9.2f3d7b44_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b7.515225c9.2f3d7b44_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am wondering if there is anyone who can point me in the direction of the basics in midi controling the edp. i mean truly getting started. what i am trying to do presently, which is not working, is to control the edp with a midi pedal i have from an ada mp1 guitar pre-amp. the ada unit has a 7 pin jack and obviously the edp has 5. though the midi cord can still go into a 7 pin jack, i am wondering if that prohibits it from being able to control the edp. i know i have heard of the berringer pedal, and i'd be curious to know what the general feeling is about it. i asked this a while back and did not hear from anyone, so if there is anyone who has any helpful advice, it would be appreciated. thank you, john --part1_b7.515225c9.2f3d7b44_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i am wondering if there is anyone who c= an point me in the direction of the basics in midi controling the edp. = i mean truly getting started.  what i am trying to do presently, whi= ch is not working, is to control the edp with a midi pedal i have from an ad= a mp1 guitar pre-amp.  the ada unit has a 7 pin jack and obviously the= edp has 5.  though the midi cord can still go into a 7 pin jack, i am= wondering if that prohibits it from being able to control the edp.  <= BR>
i know i have heard of the berringer pedal, and i'd be curious to know what=20= the general feeling is about it.  i asked this a while back and did no= t hear from anyone, so if there is anyone who has any helpful advice, it wou= ld be appreciated.

thank you,
john --part1_b7.515225c9.2f3d7b44_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 10 23:22:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1B4JEW13489; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:19:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:19:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: OT: gear for sale Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:18:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo! I've got few things I need to part with. A Behringer FCB1010, used, with 7 banks of Repeater control presets (some redundancy from bank to bank). I just put the latest chip upgrade in it. I'm selling it because I've decided to quite looping forever, and devote myself to mastering the sackbut. but seriously, I have two and need to sell one. A Fulltone Choraflange, used , one of the best chorus pedals out there in my humble opinion, and I've tried most of the major ones. I'm using so little chorus these days, opting more for vibrato and tremelo effects. A Fulltone Fulldrive 2 , used, a very good sounding overdrive, in the tubescreamer vein, very versatile with a secondary switchable gain boost. I went back to a klon centaur, for overdriven sounds. A Sunrise acoustic guitar pickup, with the 18 volt sunrise buffer box. In many people's opinion, the finest acoustic soundhole pickup made. I will not sell the two pieces seperately, and the pickup really does sound a lot better through the buffer box, anyway. I was using it in a weissenborn but recently switched to a duncan mag mic, which rivals the sunrise in sound while adding a microphone to the mix. I'm going to check the recent ebay completed auctions to determine what I'm going to sell these items for, so please contact me off list if you are interested. Thanks Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 02:52:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1B7nl215145; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:49:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:49:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.207.218] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex FS Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:48:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2005 07:49:00.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[261E8C90:01C5100E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd buy it but I've already got one http://www.craigslist.org/eby/msg/59286814.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 03:16:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1B8Ewb20482; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:14:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:14:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050211080553.02b34ba0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:13:09 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: tape loops/tape delay anyone???? In-Reply-To: <200502110233.j1B2XXr23510@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502110233.j1B2XXr23510@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I heard somewhere (maybe on this digest???) a while back that > Stockhausen had a single reel to reel that he had modified to do long > delays equivalent to that of a twin setup. Anyone confirm this. He had a machine with a tape loop on it, configured for continuous record/playback The normal arrangement of heads:- Erase>>>Record>>>Playback was changed to Playback>>>Erase>>>Record andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 05:31:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BATSp09863; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:29:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:29:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.240.120] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Anybody recognise this? / Aarset gear Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:28:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2005 10:29:00.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[8041F340:01C51024] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>From: simeon harris >>probably old news now, but i managed to figure out what all the Aarset >>boxes were.... >not old news for me, thanks Simeon!!! I had been wondering the last time I >saw him ... but even with knowledge about the hardware, I'm stumped at how >he makes some sounds, e.g. that turkish-fretless-clarinet-whining thing ... >-michael >www.michaelpeters.de that turkish sound, as far as i can tell (and i have stood 3 feet away from him while he's been doing it!), is a combination of the EH microsynth set on a low resonance filter without any added octaves or square wave, an ebow, a volume pedal, some nice dalay and reverb and a fantastic left hand technique that involves sliding the finger towards the fret to cause each note to develop slowly. i've tried to mimic this on many occasion, but there's a special knack to it which i havn't managed to figure out yet - but it's a lovely sound, to be sure! oh, and i can't take all the credit for figuring out what all the boxes were - i did get some help from the chaps over at the harmony central fx forum for a couple of them - those guys sure know their stuff! sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 07:53:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BCpJ830148; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:51:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:51:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.240.121] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody recognise this? / Aarset gear / anybody care? Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:49:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2005 12:50:03.0014 (UTC) FILETIME=[3436B260:01C51038] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com d'oh! i had hotlink protection enabled - disabled it for this site now, so the links actually work! http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/aarset1.jpg http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/aarset2.jpg as if anybody cares at this point...! :O) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 08:15:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BDCmI02213; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:12:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:12:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6b1d367db6f1716dfd215b060b84edf6@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Douglas Johnson Subject: Re: Anybody recognise this? / Aarset gear Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:12:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody know how or where I can hear an example of this "turkish sound," either on CD or on the net? On Feb 11, 2005, at 5:28 AM, simeon harris wrote: >>> From: simeon harris >>> probably old news now, but i managed to figure out what all the >>> Aarset >>> boxes were.... > >> not old news for me, thanks Simeon!!! I had been wondering the last >> time I >> saw him ... but even with knowledge about the hardware, I'm stumped >> at how >> he makes some sounds, e.g. that turkish-fretless-clarinet-whining >> thing ... > >> -michael >> www.michaelpeters.de > > > that turkish sound, as far as i can tell (and i have stood 3 feet away > from him while he's been doing it!), is a combination of the EH > microsynth set on a low resonance filter without any added octaves or > square wave, an ebow, a volume pedal, some nice dalay and reverb and a > fantastic left hand technique that involves sliding the finger towards > the fret to cause each note to develop slowly. i've tried to mimic > this on many occasion, but there's a special knack to it which i > havn't managed to figure out yet - but it's a lovely sound, to be > sure! > > oh, and i can't take all the credit for figuring out what all the > boxes were - i did get some help from the chaps over at the harmony > central fx forum for a couple of them - those guys sure know their > stuff! > > sim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 10:07:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BF50l20126; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:05:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:05:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1108134227!11260847!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D90@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:53:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C51049.73D43030" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C51049.73D43030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >I think there's a suspicion amongst some of us that he drags out this [king crimson] moniker when fortunes are flagging< Anyone that has much experience working with Fripp knows enough not to second guess why he does things, but after a few years of working pretty closely with him on a bunch of music stuff (Soundscapes & King Crimson) I would say that this assessment is not very accurate.<< rowan, you may be right. I am not defending such a suspicion (not "assessment" in any case), just saying that I think it exists in certain members of the list who've commented on fripp's activities past & present. I didn't even say "me". perhaps, then, you'd care to shed some light on the matter of the inner workings of mr fripp? or then again, would that be second guessing? :-) >>A) are you okay with the name Tangerine Dream? Shouldn't it be The Edgar Froese Experience or perhaps The Ed & Jerry Show? B) do you feel that Edgar Froese is less pretentious than Robert Fripp? C) do you feel there is any truth to the rumour that Ed Froese was kicked off a Bowie session at the request of Bob Fripp? i don't, but it is a funny story.<< eric, that's 3 questions, not 2. edgar is, in my opinion, the single worst thing about TD, & god knows there are enough bad things about them already. but I'm not going to enter into a debate about the rights & wrongs of brand-use, or how being the sole surviving founder-member may or may not entitle one's continued use of same. there was a brief period (imo) where froese snr was valuable as a catalyst for an interesting trio working in electronic music, but (imo) he's not one of the better guitar players, & (imo) his treatment of some of TD's back catalogue is (imo) risible. I'm not familiar with the bowie story, but I know enough about his selection of guitarists in the past to be reasonably sure he could've made his own mind up over this session. but then what do I know? I haven't worked closely with him either. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. 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>> >I think there's a suspicion amongst some of = us that he drags out this [king crimson] moniker when fortunes are flagging= <

Anyone that has much experience working with Fripp knows = enough not to second guess why he does things, but after a few years of wor= king pretty closely with him on a bunch of music stuff (Soundscapes & K= ing Crimson) I would say that this assessment is not very accurate.<<=

rowan, you may be right. I am not defending such a suspic= ion (not "assessment" in any case), just saying that I think it e= xists in certain members of the list who've commented on fripp's activities= past & present.

I didn't even say "me".
perhaps, then, you'd care to shed some light on the matt= er of the inner workings of mr fripp? or then again, would that be second g= uessing? :-)

>>A) are you okay with the name Tangerine Dream? Sh= ouldn't it be The
Edgar Froese Experience or perhaps The Ed & Jerry Sh= ow?

B) do you feel that Edgar Froese is less pretentious than= Robert Fripp?

C) do you feel there is any truth to the rumour that Ed F= roese was
kicked off a Bowie session at the request of Bob Fripp? = i don't, but it
is a funny story.<<

eric, that's 3 questions, not 2. edgar is, in my opinion,= the single worst thing about TD, & god knows there are enough bad thin= gs about them already.

but I'm not going to enter into a debate about the rights= & wrongs of brand-use, or how being the sole surviving founder-member = may or may not entitle one's continued use of same. there was a brief perio= d (imo) where froese snr was valuable as a catalyst for an interesting trio= working in electronic music, but (imo) he's not one of the better guitar p= layers, & (imo) his treatment of some of TD's back catalogue is (imo) r= isible.

I'm not familiar with the bowie story, but I know enough = about his selection of guitarists in the past to be reasonably sure he coul= d've made his own mind up over this session. but then what do I know? I hav= en't worked closely with him either.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C51049.73D43030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 10:13:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BFB8u21242; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:11:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:11:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:10:18 EST Subject: Re: Vortex FS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e8.cadcde9.2f3e24da_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e8.cadcde9.2f3e24da_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmmmm, In a message dated 02/10/05 23:49:20, sambacomet@hotmail.com writes: > I'd buy it but I've already got one > http://www.craigslist.org/eby/msg/59286814.html >=20 I'd buy it but I already have 2 . . . Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_e8.cadcde9.2f3e24da_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmmmm,

In a message dated 02/10/05 23:49:20, sambacomet@hotmail.com writes:

I'd buy it but I've a= lready got one
http://www.craigslist.org/eby/msg/59286814.html

I'd buy it but I already have 2 . . .

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

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and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_e8.cadcde9.2f3e24da_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 10:20:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BFIU022401; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:18:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:18:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: "SYNCED!" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:20:35 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you, Michael and Stan for your kind words and your interest! Stan: http://nosuch.biz/illt Michael: Sunao recorded it on minidisc and he later mastered the sound. Sunao also chose the package and designed the cover art. I feel very fortunate that Rick and Sunao gave me the opportunity. Thank you! I'll post when some mp3 excerpts are up ... Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2005 22:31 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "SYNCED" also.....the cd package is just wonderful.....you push a lever and the cd is "ejected" partially from the case.....beyond slick!.....and the cover art is lovely! how do one be abled ta get this here? s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 10:57:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BFuPx26836; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:56:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:56:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: "SYNCED!" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:55:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm also fortunate to own a copy of Synced. Fine disk! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 11:18:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BGG8632512; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:16:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:16:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c51054$ebc6d1a0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: Subject: Re: "SYNCED!" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:15:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like it, too ! Fabio download.com/eterogeneo http://stage.vitaminic.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: Re: "SYNCED!" > I'm also fortunate to own a copy of Synced. Fine disk! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 11:24:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BGMa701917; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:22:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:22:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=dPpUK8874PRcW5mmyLgz4RnDQiQmYI9ZObTLgy80BugzzSB7ZVxF2HKe7dpIr529xuQ8mCNGDI+DytJ9//n3ajZXvQNvu+blsoTEYs/hfyUpBGR4ZxKfvS5huplMeavcvTqRyyliBXLzkRom/dLJW7I0+bBmFg9Y3oXLOoRB4S4= ; Message-ID: <20050211162155.63212.qmail@web20428.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:21:55 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: more Ineko... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1695135741-1108138915=:62296" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1695135741-1108138915=:62296 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii with all the discussion on the ineko, i decided to get mine out, since it had been instorage for over a year, and i will say that it gets some nice sounds, since i've been using a tube preamp instead of my old digital modeler for guitar sounds, i think the ineko sounds better than when i used it before, it could also be that i hadn't used it in awhile. but definately gets some interesting "techno-type sounds" while using my guitar w/ it. great w/ loops and great w/ my ibanez delay which i use for delay manipulations (speed up slow down, etc) krispen-i'll try to get my videos put to dvd and get them uploaded to that sight (sometime in the future....don't hold your breath that means) s--- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – Get yours free! --0-1695135741-1108138915=:62296 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
with all the discussion on the ineko,
i decided to get mine out, since it had been
instorage for over a year, and i will say that
it gets some nice sounds, since i've been using a
tube preamp instead of my old digital modeler for guitar
sounds, i think the ineko sounds better than when i
used it before, it could also be that i hadn't used it in awhile.
but definately gets some interesting "techno-type sounds"
while using my guitar w/ it. great w/ loops and great w/ my
ibanez delay which i use for delay manipulations (speed up
slow down, etc)
 
krispen-i'll try to get my videos put to dvd and get them uploaded to
that sight (sometime in the future....don't hold your breath that means)
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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C51066.BB7060E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" here's a bit of an exchange between a "fan" & mr fripp himself from eleven years ago. I've dug this up for the benefit of anyone who might imagine that I just go around making unfounded assertions about fripp & his career. this will serve to illustrate the criticisms I alluded to but which I was not myself directly making. duncan. Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:01:36 GMT From: Toby Howard Subject: An open letter to Robert, and his response Robert has sent some correspondence he's exchanged with a number of people, for inclusion in the newsletter. Here's an open letter to him published in "Input" magazine, followed by his response. Toby ******************** OPEN LETTER TO ROBERT FRIPP I've been a big fan of King Crimson for many, many years and like a lot of other people, the unpredictability of the music is why I enjoyed it. But now I hear you are reforming the band yet once again (goodl) and you ar using Adrian Belew and Tony Levin (bad!) in the "new" lineup. I'm sorry if I step on some toes here, but your collaborations with these guys have already been thoroughly exhausted LONG ago. I realize the 80s version of the band was exploring minimalism but that doesn't mean you need to get REDUNDANT. "Beat" and "Three Of A Perfect Pair" were contractual obligations and though they had their (few) moments, they just took the music from "Discipline" and beat it to death. So it baffles me why you would reform the group in this format. Also the new band is to include Trey Gunn who may be a nice guy but quite frankly has little to offer. I saw him play solo chapman stick and SURPRISE he played it EXACTLY like Tony Levin on "Discipline" (as do most Chapstick players) . And as a student of yours, he has shown himself to be a fine CLONE but free of any originality. And Jerry Marotta does not have a reputation as the most creative drummer in town, so I question your desire to work with him. I understand that you are putting the band together to make some quick cash to pay your bills but the reality is that lf you toured under the name "Kin Crimson" with a group of completely obscure musicians, you'd still draw a huge crowd especially since Crimson has had such a wide influence on so many different genres and music fans. So I do not comprehend why you are playing it VERY safe and going with the tried-and-true (albeit talented) Belew and Levin. Certainly there are plenty of musicians you can work with that would make for a more compelling lineup. From Fred Frith to Vinnie Coliatu (?) there are lots of creative musicians to choose from in both the rock and avantjazz worlds. Many current rock bands are trying to cover some of the ground you forged, such as The Jesus Lizard, Primus and so on. Surely you could ask around and try out some fresh blood, Or move back to New York City because there is a lot of amazingly inventive and skilled musicians in the Downtown scene who've arrived since you left. Plus with the conservativeness shown by your lineup choices, I'm afraid you won't tackle anything but that 80s sound you already produced. I'd like to see you subvert the very technical speed metal or industrial metal that arose after the last Crimson disbanded, Everything from goth music to house has learned a bit and could learn a lot more from Crimson. With some new blood, you could subvert hip-hop and techno structures, or the recent reemergence of funk and other very rhythmic musics, You could really kick the crap out of world beat, new age, grunge, or modern classical stuff. You could even get into the "unplugged" sweepstakes. But nooooooooooooo. You just want to rehash? Wake me up when YOU wake up. CX Brodeur 63 Pitt St #5f, NYC 10002 ***************************** Robert's response: January 22nd. 1994. Input, GFTPM, PO Box 1490, PORT CHESTER, NY 10573. Dear Input, In your January Input you include an open letter to myself from CX Brodeur of New York, which prompts comments general and specific. General Comments: 1. Thanks to CX for taking the time and having sufficient interest to comment on King Crimson. It's heartening to find passion for music. 2. I do not believe that CX is as stupid as he/she purports to be. 3. The aroma of cynicism wafting from the letter is excusable, understandable, but unacceptable. Public debate is currently appallingly naff and won't improve if we accept discussion at this level. Cynicism is too high a price to pay - it closes us to music - and, for a musician, cynicism is death. 4. I have sympathy and time for punters who get frequently stupped and hand over hard-earned money, often prised deceitfully from them (like with bad bootlegs). So, I respond to CX's letter seriously, but not respectfully. Specific Comments: 1. CX understands "that (RF) is putting the band together to make some quick cash to pay your bills but the reality is that if you toured with a group of completely obscure musicians you'd still draw a huge crowd". CX is misinformed. Although I have no objection to paying my bills King Crimson is not, and regrettably never has been, a way to make quick cash. i) The group shares the money. No one person in a group gets rich quickly this way, if at all. (This is how to tell whether a group is a group, or not: a real group shares the money). ii) Any new concern in whatever business takes several years to establish itself and setting-up costs are immense. The running costs of KC on the road I estimate at $70-l00,000 per week. This is for theatre-level concerts - a good standard basic but no frills. iii) If I did tour with a group of obscure musicians perhaps l could keep more money, but "RF + Obscurities" wouldn't be King Crimson and the tour would be dishonest. And no punter would be able to trust the name of King Crimson again. Quite apart from ethical considerations, I consider that bad business. Right now I hope Crimheads and general punters, with the possible exception of CX, could go to any King Crimson show and relying on getting Crimson and its best shot (although it might not be what was expected). I consider that good business, although I don't anticipate getting rich, slowly or quickly. iv) My musical choices are made for musical reasons. Music appears in the world despite the music industry, not because of it. The life of the professional musician is pretty wretched and the only payment musicians ultimately receive is the privilege of music occasionally leaning over and taking them into its confidence. For that privilege we pay a very high price. The challenge for any artist, probably the supreme challenge, is to work in the market place while not being governed by the rules of the market place. I don't myself play music for money, but I take money for the music I play. Given the choice between a piece of work which pays and a piece of work which doesn't, I generally do both. v) The only time I made a lot of money from KC was for 2-3 years after the group "ceased to exist" in 1974: the bills stopped and the records continued to sell, but breaking up does seem a rather radical strategy to make money from a group! I invested that money buying time during which I tried to figure out how a professional musician might work in an industry dominated so completely by business, the frailties of musicians and the demands (not always courteously expressed) of the public. My work since, both in and out of the public arena, has been based upon the research work done in that period. As a point of interest, the KC musicians received no wages for live work between 1969-74: the management view was that the musicians got paid from record and publishing royalties. vi) The current members of King Crimson are planning to support themselves for the first year by work outside KC, and this is not the first time. I can earn more from one week of solo concerts in Argentina than one month on the road with Crimson, and sessions for Adrian and Tony earn them far more than Crimson wages. In this outfit, the musicians pay for their opportunity to play! 2. CX writes: "With the conservativeness shown by (RF's) lineup choices..." and "You just want to rehash?". These are two impressively dopey comments. i) When have my line-up choices been conservative? Crimson personnel must be the most radically varied and discontinuous of any rock group which claims continuity of identity. The suggestion has even been made that KC has no continued identity (although I would disagree). And that's just Crimson. ii) When was the last time I "rehashed"? Here is a brief overview of 1969-94: Crimson to Crimson to Eno to Crimson to Retreat-from-the-music-business to NYC - Gabriel - Bowie - Blondie - Hall - Roches - Frippertronics to League of Gentlemen to Crimson to Guitar Craft/League of Crafty Guitarists to Sunday All Over The World to Orb to Sylvian/Fripp to Crimson (with each of the Crimsons different)? Have I missed something in here (and I've left a lot out) where I was repeating myself more than in any one year? 3. "Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair ... took the music from Discipline and beat it to death". Actually, and as a point of musical fact, that's incorrect - although I wish it were true. At the end of 1981 and the Discipline touring I felt KC had found a vocabulary and approach worth developing and taking a lot further, but the other guys felt differently. So, effectively, we abandoned the 1981 approach without, in my view, replacing it with another coherent aural vision. So, at the end of the period of professional and personal commitment, we disbanded in 1984. I don't tell the other guys what to play, although I usually have my own sense of which direction I believe KC should take, and make musical suggestions. Historically, other Crims seem to go along with my suggestions for about a year and then we disband under the pressure of disagreement. Nearly everyone who has ever been in Crimson (and I am in regular contact with nearly all of them) really enjoyed being in the band - several years after they left. It seems to take time for the Crim-penny to drop. CX realises "the 80s version of the band was exploring minimalism"... This is a simplistic, facile judgement which might have come from an English music comic. It misses the point where the real action was happening. 5. "Certainly there are plenty of musicians you can work with"... ... and perhaps some of them would like to work with me! CX makes good comments and suggestions on how CX might choose the current Crimson personnel. And it's a good shot. But there is a simple and basic difference between CX and myself: CX's view of how Crimson might be and my own. And I would rather follow my own sense and picture of Crimson. This is how it happened: i) Around 1987 music began to appear under my fingers which only Crimson could play. When music appears which only Crimson can play, then it's time to begin thinking about putting Crimson together again. ii) One afternoon about 18 months ago, driving past the village church one afternoon, a picture of how Crimson should be in its present incarnation flew by. In Guitar Craft this is called "a Point of Seeing" - direct, immediate, irrational. And this Crim was not what I was planning nor intending. For the past 18 months I've been trying to fit together the music and the picture of the personnel, and two weeks ago they came together. It may well be the craziest Crimson yet. CX closes the letter: "Wake me when you wake up". This is both rude and intentionally insulting. After 36 years and 1 month of playing guitar, 32 years and 6 months of climbing into the back, front and both sides of vans setting off for gigs, and producing, interviewing, recording and playing on four continents over a period of 26 years, I don't feel the need to alert any ill-mannered commentator on my life and work to where the action is, however enthusiastic they may be for Crimson past or future. Robert Fripp. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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here's a bit of an exchange between a "fan" & mr fripp himself from eleven years ago. I've dug this up for the benefit of anyone who might imagine that I just go around making unfounded assertions about fripp & his career. this will serve to illustrate the criticisms I alluded to but which I was not myself directly making.
duncan.
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:01:36 GMT
From: Toby Howard <toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk>
Subject: An open letter to Robert, and his response

Robert has sent some correspondence he's exchanged with a number of people,
for inclusion in the newsletter. Here's an open letter to him published in
"Input" magazine, followed by his response.

Toby

********************


OPEN LETTER TO ROBERT FRIPP

I've been a big fan of King Crimson for many, many years and like a lot of
other people, the unpredictability of the music is why I enjoyed it.

But now I hear you are reforming the band yet once again (goodl) and you ar
using Adrian Belew and Tony Levin (bad!) in the "new" lineup. I'm sorry if
I step on some toes here, but your collaborations with these guys have
already been thoroughly exhausted LONG ago. I realize the 80s version of
the band was exploring minimalism but that doesn't mean you need to get
REDUNDANT.

"Beat" and "Three Of A Perfect Pair" were contractual obligations and
though they had their (few) moments, they just took the music from
"Discipline" and beat it to death. So it baffles me why you would reform
the group in this format.

Also the new band is to include Trey Gunn who may be a nice guy but quite
frankly has little to offer. I saw him play solo chapman stick and SURPRISE
he played it EXACTLY like Tony Levin on "Discipline" (as do most Chapstick
players) . And as a student of yours, he has shown himself to be a fine
CLONE but free of any originality. And Jerry Marotta does not have a
reputation as the most creative drummer in town, so I question your desire
to work with him.

I understand that you are putting the band together to make some quick cash
to pay your bills but the reality is that lf you toured under the name "Kin
Crimson" with a group of completely obscure musicians, you'd still draw a
huge crowd especially since Crimson has had such a wide influence on so
many different genres and music fans. So I do not comprehend why you are
playing it VERY safe and going with the tried-and-true (albeit talented)
Belew and Levin.

Certainly there are plenty of musicians you can work with that would make
for a more compelling lineup. From Fred Frith to Vinnie Coliatu (?)  there
are lots of creative musicians to choose from in both the rock and
avantjazz worlds. Many current rock bands are trying to cover some of the
ground you forged, such as The Jesus Lizard, Primus and so on. Surely you
could ask around and try out some fresh blood, Or move back to New York
City because there is a lot of amazingly inventive and skilled musicians in
the Downtown scene who've arrived since you left.

Plus with the conservativeness shown by your lineup choices, I'm afraid you
won't tackle anything but that 80s sound you already produced. I'd like to
see you subvert the very technical speed metal or industrial metal that
arose after the last Crimson disbanded, Everything from goth music to house
has learned a bit and could learn a lot more from Crimson. With some new
blood, you could subvert hip-hop and techno structures, or the recent
reemergence of funk and other very rhythmic musics, You could really kick
the crap out of world beat, new age, grunge, or modern classical stuff.
You could even get into the "unplugged" sweepstakes. But nooooooooooooo.
You just want to rehash?

Wake me up when YOU wake up.         CX Brodeur 63 Pitt St #5f, NYC 10002

*****************************

Robert's response:

January 22nd. 1994.
Input,
GFTPM,
PO Box 1490,
PORT CHESTER,
NY 10573.

Dear Input,

In your January Input you include an open letter to myself from CX Brodeur
of New York, which prompts comments general and specific.

General Comments:

1. Thanks to CX for taking the time and having sufficient interest to
comment on King Crimson. It's heartening to find passion for music.

2. I do not believe that CX is as stupid as he/she purports to be.

3. The aroma of cynicism wafting from the letter is excusable,
understandable, but unacceptable. Public debate is currently appallingly
naff and won't improve if we accept discussion at this level.

Cynicism is too high a price to pay - it closes us to music - and, for a
musician, cynicism is death.

4. I have sympathy and time for punters who get frequently stupped and hand
over hard-earned money, often prised deceitfully from them (like with bad
bootlegs).

So, I respond to CX's letter seriously, but not respectfully.

Specific Comments:

1. CX understands "that (RF) is putting the band together to make some
quick cash to pay your bills but the reality is that if you toured with a
group of completely obscure musicians you'd still draw a huge crowd".

CX is misinformed. Although I have no objection to paying my bills King
Crimson is not, and regrettably never has been, a way to make quick cash.

i) The group shares the money. No one person in a group gets rich quickly
this way, if at all. (This is how to tell whether a group is a group, or
not: a real group shares the money).

ii) Any new concern in whatever business takes several years to establish
itself and setting-up costs are immense. The running costs of KC on the
road I estimate at $70-l00,000 per week. This is for theatre-level concerts
- a good standard basic but no frills.

iii) If I did tour with a group of obscure musicians perhaps l could keep
more money, but "RF + Obscurities" wouldn't be King Crimson and the tour
would be dishonest. And no punter would be able to trust the name of King
Crimson again. Quite apart from ethical considerations, I consider that bad
business.

Right now I hope Crimheads and general punters, with the possible exception
of CX, could go to any King Crimson show and relying on getting Crimson and
its best shot (although it might not be what was expected). I consider that
good business, although I don't anticipate getting rich, slowly or quickly.

iv) My musical choices are made for musical reasons. Music appears in the
world despite the music industry, not because of it. The life of the
professional musician is pretty wretched and the only payment musicians
ultimately receive is the privilege of music occasionally leaning over and
taking them into its confidence. For that privilege we pay a very high
price.

The challenge for any artist, probably the supreme challenge, is to work in
the market place while not being governed by the rules of the market
place. I don't myself play music for money, but I take money for the music
I play. Given the choice between a piece of work which pays and a piece of
work which doesn't, I generally do both.

v) The only time I made a lot of money from KC was for 2-3 years after the
group "ceased to exist" in 1974: the bills stopped and the records
continued to sell, but breaking up does seem a rather radical strategy to
make money from a group!

I invested that money buying time during which I tried to figure out how a
professional musician might work in an industry dominated so completely by
business, the frailties of musicians and the demands (not always
courteously expressed) of the public.  My work since, both in and out of
the public arena, has been based upon the research work done in that
period.

As a point of interest, the KC musicians received no wages for live work
between 1969-74: the management view was that the musicians got paid from
record and publishing royalties.

vi) The current members of King Crimson are planning to support themselves
for the first year by work outside KC, and this is not the first time. I
can earn more from one week of solo concerts in Argentina than one month on
the road with Crimson, and sessions for Adrian and Tony earn them far more
than Crimson wages. In this outfit, the musicians pay for their opportunity
to play!

2. CX writes: "With the conservativeness shown by (RF's) lineup choices..."
and "You just want to rehash?".  These are two impressively dopey comments.

i) When have my line-up choices been conservative?  Crimson personnel must
be the most radically varied and discontinuous of any rock group which
claims continuity of identity. The suggestion has even been made that KC
has no continued identity (although I would disagree). And that's just
Crimson.

ii) When was the last time I "rehashed"? Here is a brief overview of
1969-94: Crimson to Crimson to Eno to Crimson to
Retreat-from-the-music-business to NYC - Gabriel - Bowie - Blondie - Hall -
Roches - Frippertronics to League of Gentlemen to Crimson to Guitar
Craft/League of Crafty Guitarists to Sunday All Over The World to Orb to
Sylvian/Fripp to Crimson (with each of the Crimsons different)? Have I
missed something in here (and I've left a lot out) where I was repeating
myself more than in any one year?

3. "Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair ... took the music from Discipline and
beat it to death".

Actually, and as a point of musical fact, that's incorrect - although I
wish it were true.

At the end of 1981 and the Discipline touring I felt KC had found a
vocabulary and approach worth developing and taking a lot further, but the
other guys felt differently. So, effectively, we abandoned the 1981
approach without, in my view, replacing it with another coherent aural
vision. So, at the end of the period of professional and personal
commitment, we disbanded in 1984.

I don't tell the other guys what to play, although I usually have my own
sense of which direction I believe KC should take, and make musical
suggestions. Historically, other Crims seem to go along with my suggestions
for about a year and then we disband under the pressure of
disagreement. Nearly everyone who has ever been in Crimson (and I am in
regular contact with nearly all of them) really enjoyed being in the band -
several years after they left. It seems to take time for the Crim-penny to
drop.

CX realises "the 80s version of the band was exploring minimalism"...

This is a simplistic, facile judgement which might have come from an
English music comic. It misses the point where the real action was
happening.

5. "Certainly there are plenty of musicians you can work with"...

... and perhaps some of them would like to work with me! CX makes good
comments and suggestions on how CX might choose the current Crimson
personnel. And it's a good shot.

But there is a simple and basic difference between CX and myself: CX's view
of how Crimson might be and my own. And I would rather follow my own sense
and picture of Crimson. This is how it happened:

i) Around 1987 music began to appear under my fingers which only Crimson
could play. When music appears which only Crimson can play, then it's time
to begin thinking about putting Crimson together again.

ii) One afternoon about 18 months ago, driving past the village church one
afternoon, a picture of how Crimson should be in its present incarnation
flew by. In Guitar Craft this is called "a Point of Seeing" - direct,
immediate, irrational. And this Crim was not what I was planning nor
intending.

For the past 18 months I've been trying to fit together the music and the
picture of the personnel, and two weeks ago they came together. It may well
be the craziest Crimson yet.

CX closes the letter: "Wake me when you wake up".

This is both rude and intentionally insulting. After 36 years and 1 month
of playing guitar, 32 years and 6 months of climbing into the back, front
and both sides of vans setting off for gigs, and producing, interviewing,
recording and playing on four continents over a period of 26 years, I don't
feel the need to alert any ill-mannered commentator on my life and work to
where the action is, however enthusiastic they may be for Crimson past or
future.

Robert Fripp.


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C51066.BB7060E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 14:07:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BJ5qR01010; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:05:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:05:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=pPB0YlKJonJtW+0H2jsUylmmw4mHlzx3leVKpWCD9F/m4YOUTrZ7O5zor85PgRvxZ0nfp1Knrgcl1+6dLsRmNL30nnW9tZLyE6DVMUQh5+kZw8oSpWox4evNSZhe+iXkZBw8VhhO91qpvJuQaoKn2DnnC1ozRH3yaNBD+z8wIBY= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:05:09 -0800 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: f(rip)p In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D9F@lon-oxmail02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D9F@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com akkk - how about no formatting so i can actually read this - its tiny on my screen :) On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:23:06 -0000, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 14:15:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BJDun02314; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:13:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:13:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.242.221] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D9F@lon-oxmail02> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fripp and Frith Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:11:58 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2005 19:12:01.0274 (UTC) FILETIME=[908FA5A0:01C5106D] Resent-Message-ID: <_jIppD.A.Ji.GPQDCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been saying for years they should play together,They could play in Scotland "Fripp and Frith at the Forth of Firth" just beautiful: ".... the only payment musicians ultimately receive is the privilege of music occasionally leaning over and taking them into its confidence." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 14:22:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BJKnB03186; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:20:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:20:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=oYqRj5Lz5Sw92N7lvhsE8PEeiSxJd9gjm6IdkiBvcWBNX7Loq9Jhu7bYyAv79DahUlcboY0DbfOYyE71sM4lRT3iT93Ww5d05OqGf2UxLtQQJbaWqOu9BdbMJh+SNU86CNi4kLn1Uc5rW2ZRSVP13rhYIKlhPyh1HNWJAhiGf3Q= ; Message-ID: <20050211192009.9054.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:20:09 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Tape loops/tape delay anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200502110233.j1B2XXs23512@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Devin, With all those extra tape heads floating around, you are ripe to build a "Klangumwandler". Developed by Harald Bode in the 50's or 60's, it is basically four tape heads arranged in a cross, rotating in either direction and in such a way that at least one head is in contact with the tape at all times. Speeding up or slowing down the spinning tape heads will cause analog frequency shifting like you never heard it. Altering the speed of the tape deck can add more fun to the unit. A Google search will get you going in the right direction. Stephen > I was wondering if anyone out there is building or has built a home-made tape delay unit. I know > some people were talking about the double reel to reel "frippertronics" setup, but I was > thinking more along the lines of a home-made Copycat style box. Something with a few (or more) > heads, variable speed, and a tape loop. I heard somewhere (maybe on this digest???) a while back > that Stockhausen had a single reel to reel that he had modified to do long delays equivalent to > that of a twin setup. Anyone confirm this. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 14:25:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BJNwU04083; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:23:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:23:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050211192200.23384.qmail@gawab.com> From: jacob smoller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP FLOODED! Help! Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:22:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [24.91.160.235] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a sad post for me. My EDP (newest model, black face), was recently involved in a flooding incidient. It was not plugged in at the time. I got it out of the water logged area, drained it as well as I could, and let it fan-dry for 36 hours. I then, crossing both sets of fingers, plugged it in and turned it on. Everything seems to be working fine, except the input. The LED always glows orange, and if I shake the unit it crackles and glows green. If I turn the pot while making noise on my guitar I can sometimes faintly hear the guitar, otherwise, nothing. Any idea what I might need to do to fix this? Nothing inside the unit looks damaged (nothing looks fried, nothing seemed to happen the first time I turned it on.) I know the creators of the unit post on here, and I'm hoping maybe they can help! Thanks! Jacob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 14:34:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BJW3E05297; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:32:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:32:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/html Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:31:29 -0800 (PST) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP FLOODED! Help! Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [200.125.26.65] X-Eon-Sig: AQHNrK5CDQgRAAy/7wEAAAAB,5aacf6b84ef5a88d957a6d85bcae5ec2 Message-Id: <20050211193129.E5A1F7255@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <6Cq_NC.A.yRB.TgQDCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

A good = cleaning of the board,jacks and pots with spray contact cleaner,and a tootb= rush ...the contact cleaner must be WITHOUT lubricant...you'll probably fin= d traces of oxide or residual marks from the water...those have to be remov= ed from the board...believe me,i work repairing dialysis machines,that= sometimes get flooded by water and other chemical fluids,and the circuit b= oard and electronic partes can be salvated by cleaning as i told you...if y= ou're afraid of getting into the electronics,an electronic technician can d= isasemble it and do the rescue for you...

Good luck,hope this reply helps

Maneco
 
my creations...
ht= tp://manecolooper.tripod.com

my music...
http://rendher.tripod.co= m
=

--- jacob smoller <jacobsmoller@gawab.com> wro= te:

From: jacob smoller <jacobsmoller@gawab.com>
Date: Fri,= 11 Feb 2005 19:22:00 GMT
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sub= ject: EDP FLOODED! Help!


This is a sad post for me.

My ED= P (newest model, black face), was recently involved in a
flooding incidi= ent. It was not plugged in at the time. I got it
out of the water logged= area, drained it as well as I could, and
let it fan-dry for 36 hours. I= then, crossing both sets of
fingers, plugged it in and turned it on. Ev= erything seems to be
working fine, except the input. The LED always glow= s orange, and
if I shake the unit it crackles and glows green. If I turn= the
pot while making noise on my guitar I can sometimes faintly hearthe guitar, otherwise, nothing. Any idea what I might need to do
to fix= this? Nothing inside the unit looks damaged (nothing
looks fried, nothi= ng seemed to happen the first time I turned it
on.)

I know the cr= eators of the unit post on here, and I'm hoping
maybe they can help!
=
Thanks!

Jacob


 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi tEd, My location is Japan but we accepted Paypal and shipping free for world wide. 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Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > >"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 15:22:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BKKOS15120; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:20:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:20:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp and Frith Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:18:19 +0000 Message-Id: <021120052018.2867.420D130A000DB72C00000B3321979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 8 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've been saying for years they should play together,They could play in > Scotland "Fripp and Frith at the Forth of Firth" If they did Genesis covers, then they could say, "Fripp and Frith playing 'Firth of Fifth' at the Forth of Firth". Say THAT 10 times fast! Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 16:36:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BLY6P30129; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:34:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:34:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c51081$4d44fe80$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: electronics question for the tech-heads. Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:33:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0077_01C51089.AE9484A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C51089.AE9484A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for Off topic.. After a few weeks of completely happy and crazy use of my newly = installed (and now working, thanks to LD people) Fernandes Sustainer = pickup, I have for the first time left the damn thing plugged in = overnight, (battery switch on jack socket arrangment) and drained the = battery. THIS WILL NOT DO! now I could add a power switch to the guitar = (but then I would no doubt forget that ..)=20 BUT... I have a cunning plan!!! I also have a GK midi pickup installed on the same guitar, and when I = poke around with the multimeter at the socket that is installed in the = guitar that takes the midi to my synth I find a pin that seems to have = around 7 volts sitting there. The sustainer pickup taks a 9 volt battery = (but when I test, again with multimeter) it also appears to be around 7 = volts. Now it doesnt take an idiot to realise what I'm suggesting. I would like = to take the power from the GK midi pickup cable and connect it to the = sustainer. Which I would have tried already, but for one little prob. If I check voltage on the battery with multimeter connected with BLACK = cable to ground and RED cable to battery.. 7 volts. When I do the same = on this mysterious power wire inside the GK connector, the multimeter = trys to swing the wrong way, I reverse the multi meter leads, and then I = get this reading of 7 volts. Does this mean that the GK pickup is infact powered by -(minus) 7 volts? = ( I've never really understood the concept of negative volts Im = afraid..) SO.. either I cant use this power, OR I must reverse the = polarity of it???=20 Is this possible?=20 Wise? Foolish? Help? Mark mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 6941 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. 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Sorry for Off topic..
 
After a few weeks of completely happy = and crazy use=20 of my newly installed (and now working, thanks to LD people) Fernandes = Sustainer=20 pickup, I have for the first time left the damn thing plugged in = overnight,=20 (battery switch on jack socket arrangment) and drained the battery. THIS = WILL=20 NOT DO! now I could add a power switch to the guitar (but then I would = no doubt=20 forget that ..)
BUT... I have a cunning = plan!!!
I also have a GK midi pickup installed = on the same=20 guitar, and when I poke around with the multimeter at the socket that is = installed in the guitar that takes the midi to my synth I find a pin = that seems=20 to have around 7 volts sitting there. The sustainer pickup taks a 9 volt = battery=20 (but when I test, again with multimeter) it also appears to be = around 7=20 volts.
 
Now it doesnt take an idiot to realise = what I'm=20 suggesting. I would like to take the power from the GK midi pickup cable = and=20 connect it to the sustainer. Which I would have tried already, but for = one=20 little prob.
 
If I check voltage on the battery with = multimeter=20 connected with BLACK cable to ground and RED cable to battery.. 7 volts. = When I=20 do the same on this mysterious power wire inside the GK connector, the=20 multimeter trys to swing the wrong way, I reverse the multi meter leads, = and=20 then I get this reading of 7 volts.
Does this mean that the GK pickup is = infact powered=20 by -(minus) 7 volts? ( I've never really understood the concept of = negative=20 volts Im afraid..) SO.. either I cant use this power, OR I must reverse = the=20 polarity of it???
 
Is this possible?
 
Wise?
 
Foolish?
 
Help?
 
 
 
 
Mark
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C51089.AE9484A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 17:03:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BM33105808; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:03:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:03:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <420D2ACC.1010102@speakeasy.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:59:40 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp and Frith References: <021120052018.2867.420D130A000DB72C00000B3321979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> In-Reply-To: <021120052018.2867.420D130A000DB72C00000B3321979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: >>I've been saying for years they should play together,They could play in >>Scotland "Fripp and Frith at the Forth of Firth" >> >> > >If they did Genesis covers, then they could say, "Fripp and Frith playing >'Firth of Fifth' at the Forth of Firth". Say THAT 10 times fast! > >Mark Smart >www.marksmart.net > > and if the show started at 5:00 next month on the 6th it could be, "Fripp and Frith playing 'Firth of Fifth' at the Forth of Firth at Five on the Sixth" Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 18:41:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BNegt24028; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:40:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:40:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:38:42 -0500 From: Brian Carabee Subject: Re: electronics question for the tech-heads. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003601c51092$d9ee9b50$6701a8c0@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qksJDfQ/gxwcV4+tuvwrLw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007a01c51081$4d44fe80$5a01a8c0@mark> Resent-Message-ID: <5uf7QB.A.W1F.GJUDCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_qksJDfQ/gxwcV4+tuvwrLw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Risky...You also have amperage to consider. Will the source be able to handle the amperage that the pickup draws? I think your best bet is to contact the manufacturer for the specs. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: mark francombe To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:33 PM Subject: electronics question for the tech-heads. Sorry for Off topic.. After a few weeks of completely happy and crazy use of my newly installed (and now working, thanks to LD people) Fernandes Sustainer pickup, I have for the first time left the damn thing plugged in overnight, (battery switch on jack socket arrangment) and drained the battery. THIS WILL NOT DO! now I could add a power switch to the guitar (but then I would no doubt forget that ..) BUT... I have a cunning plan!!! I also have a GK midi pickup installed on the same guitar, and when I poke around with the multimeter at the socket that is installed in the guitar that takes the midi to my synth I find a pin that seems to have around 7 volts sitting there. The sustainer pickup taks a 9 volt battery (but when I test, again with multimeter) it also appears to be around 7 volts. Now it doesnt take an idiot to realise what I'm suggesting. I would like to take the power from the GK midi pickup cable and connect it to the sustainer. Which I would have tried already, but for one little prob. If I check voltage on the battery with multimeter connected with BLACK cable to ground and RED cable to battery.. 7 volts. When I do the same on this mysterious power wire inside the GK connector, the multimeter trys to swing the wrong way, I reverse the multi meter leads, and then I get this reading of 7 volts. Does this mean that the GK pickup is infact powered by -(minus) 7 volts? ( I've never really understood the concept of negative volts Im afraid..) SO.. either I cant use this power, OR I must reverse the polarity of it??? Is this possible? Wise? Foolish? Help? 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Risky...You also have amperage to consider. Will the source be able to handle the amperage that the pickup draws?
 
I think your best bet is to contact the manufacturer for the specs.
 
Brian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:33 PM
Subject: electronics question for the tech-heads.

Sorry for Off topic..
 
After a few weeks of completely happy and crazy use of my newly installed (and now working, thanks to LD people) Fernandes Sustainer pickup, I have for the first time left the damn thing plugged in overnight, (battery switch on jack socket arrangment) and drained the battery. THIS WILL NOT DO! now I could add a power switch to the guitar (but then I would no doubt forget that ..)
BUT... I have a cunning plan!!!
I also have a GK midi pickup installed on the same guitar, and when I poke around with the multimeter at the socket that is installed in the guitar that takes the midi to my synth I find a pin that seems to have around 7 volts sitting there. The sustainer pickup taks a 9 volt battery (but when I test, again with multimeter) it also appears to be around 7 volts.
 
Now it doesnt take an idiot to realise what I'm suggesting. I would like to take the power from the GK midi pickup cable and connect it to the sustainer. Which I would have tried already, but for one little prob.
 
If I check voltage on the battery with multimeter connected with BLACK cable to ground and RED cable to battery.. 7 volts. When I do the same on this mysterious power wire inside the GK connector, the multimeter trys to swing the wrong way, I reverse the multi meter leads, and then I get this reading of 7 volts.
Does this mean that the GK pickup is infact powered by -(minus) 7 volts? ( I've never really understood the concept of negative volts Im afraid..) SO.. either I cant use this power, OR I must reverse the polarity of it???
 
Is this possible?
 
Wise?
 
Foolish?
 
Help?
 
 
 
 
Mark
 
 
 
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--Boundary_(ID_qksJDfQ/gxwcV4+tuvwrLw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 19:01:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1BNxrY28585; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:59:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:59:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=sUeAWO/wp0DHwr8C/HkQW8edZ0TGA/Zfri7+8HlfK82Bb1T6wb9rTiV91X6azmkL5NqD/NTER4GXzY9rMrgpW/vbj2h4JtP9kghu0h0L6CfPF0PiFp3zV6RGLbZ2RwFqv2CfA6l58MnBpZf5zmc5FVKiWfrOuCXDPTraDz/rbaw= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205021115594e1a7dc4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:59:30 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: f(rip)p In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D9F@lon-oxmail02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D9F@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > CX Brodeur 63 Pitt St #5f, NYC 10002 HAH! Christopher Brodeur! I published his book a couple of years ago: http://pervertedlittlecreep.com recent cxb article... http://newyorkpress.com/18/3/news&columns/feature.cfm He's an extremely annoying person! -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 19:13:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1C0C0I30442; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:12:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:12:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <420D49BF.1040902@biink.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:11:43 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: db@biink.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D8A@lon-oxmail02> <81623B26-7B97-11D9-9FF4-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <420BB49F.5020009@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <420BB49F.5020009@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Beardsley wrote: > Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > >> >> C) do you feel there is any truth to the rumour that Ed Froese was >> kicked off a Bowie session at the request of Bob Fripp? i don't, but >> it is a funny story. > > > > Let's hear the story! Let's hear the story! Let's hear the story! We're not gonna hear the story? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 19:13:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1C0CDp30469; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:12:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:12:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050212001150.60394.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:11:50 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: f(rip)p To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D9F@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While I'm not always 100% happy with everything that's been coming out of KC the past few years (Loved The Construktion of Light while the next one seemed mostly lame... 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Here's an open > letter to him published in > > "Input" magazine, followed by his response. > > > > Toby > > > > ******************** > > > > > > OPEN LETTER TO ROBERT FRIPP > > > > I've been a big fan of King Crimson for many, many > years and like a lot of > > other people, the unpredictability of the music is > why I enjoyed it. > > > > But now I hear you are reforming the band yet once > again (goodl) and you ar > > using Adrian Belew and Tony Levin (bad!) in the > "new" lineup. I'm sorry if > > I step on some toes here, but your collaborations > with these guys have > > already been thoroughly exhausted LONG ago. I > realize the 80s version of > > the band was exploring minimalism but that doesn't > mean you need to get > > REDUNDANT. > > > > "Beat" and "Three Of A Perfect Pair" were > contractual obligations and > > though they had their (few) moments, they just took > the music from > > "Discipline" and beat it to death. 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I'd like to > > see you subvert the very technical speed metal or > industrial metal that > > arose after the last Crimson disbanded, Everything > from goth music to house > > has learned a bit and could learn a lot more from > Crimson. With some new > > blood, you could subvert hip-hop and techno > structures, or the recent > > reemergence of funk and other very rhythmic musics, > You could really kick > > the crap out of world beat, new age, grunge, or > modern classical stuff. > > You could even get into the "unplugged" sweepstakes. > But nooooooooooooo. > > You just want to rehash? > > > > Wake me up when YOU wake up. 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Employ or beautiful Group Bees http://imagepalsusa.tripod.com www.imagepals.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 19:20:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1C0InI31901; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:18:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:18:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <420D4B56.7050501@biink.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:18:30 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: f(rip)p References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D9F@lon-oxmail02> <26ba8d1205021115594e1a7dc4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d1205021115594e1a7dc4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Ritchford wrote: >>CX Brodeur 63 Pitt St #5f, NYC 10002 >> >> > >HAH! Christopher Brodeur! > >I published his book a couple of years ago: > >http://pervertedlittlecreep.com > >recent cxb article... > >http://newyorkpress.com/18/3/news&columns/feature.cfm > >He's an extremely annoying person! > > > ...and a big Journey fan. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 20:38:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1C1bG911766; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:37:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:37:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <420D49BF.1040902@biink.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D8A@lon-oxmail02> <81623B26-7B97-11D9-9FF4-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <420BB49F.5020009@biink.com> <420D49BF.1040902@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8360D5DB-7C96-11D9-BB2B-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:36:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at grics.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 11, 2005, at 6:11 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > David Beardsley wrote: >> Suit & Tie Guy wrote: >>> C) do you feel there is any truth to the rumour that Ed Froese was >>> kicked off a Bowie session at the request of Bob Fripp? i don't, but >>> it is a funny story. >> Let's hear the story! Let's hear the story! Let's hear the story! > We're not gonna hear the story? the source of the rumour is Richard Pinhas, as far as i can tell, as quoted here (the original website with the interview is offline now): http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/message/32519 this sparked a search of Ed Froese interviews for a mention. this is the closest which was found: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/message/36223 i really don't know what to think of it. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 11 21:48:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1C2kOU21819; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:46:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:46:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=T+t49fFl4QJa7VEwBfS08lRB/TErCUH4Sr5EqXwZywEhUqokg3JqYd6/t5cfQCoa/W2Bvyn7JbStg0N/7zBRSKHVKKu5+tAMqAiDKUdhZJOX97W0uBPxkDAs1fhklDxF53QRTiQi/KDj5J5cJbpI8elA8v4RteCv0oaDO3swxPU= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:45:29 -0800 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p In-Reply-To: <8360D5DB-7C96-11D9-BB2B-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D8A@lon-oxmail02> <81623B26-7B97-11D9-9FF4-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <420BB49F.5020009@biink.com> <420D49BF.1040902@biink.com> <8360D5DB-7C96-11D9-BB2B-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I put the interview link in the wayback machine and got this: http://web.archive.org/web/20010505152625/http://wwwusers.imaginet.fr/~fernould/Dossier2/rpinhas91.html On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:36:27 -0600, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Feb 11, 2005, at 6:11 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > > David Beardsley wrote: > >> Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > >>> C) do you feel there is any truth to the rumour that Ed Froese was > >>> kicked off a Bowie session at the request of Bob Fripp? i don't, but > >>> it is a funny story. > >> Let's hear the story! 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It's a special turntable and record to control a mp3 player on the PC. I guess it could be a money and space saver. Here's a video demo: http://www.pcdj.com/Products/Dloads/scratchwmv.wmv K- ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 04:12:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1C98O213084; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:08:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:08:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nyFD+GqN3CWSbKeg127x7CXNmeNP0lAJ8xvgF3OflXs2OGC278dL0uSUkGAZjVb36uVkJKWDfUep8xle6UK1C9+7ff9Jnl3fUbBx76YALKFcbxg9YpJrObA/duIzWzdRPjjnxVn+dzOM/HIdlQRh7h7Mod7h+tK4EB0icrl7Ecg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:06:57 -0800 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Speaking of Nels Cline AGAIN! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A real nice show is up for download. http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=11148 You can also find a Banyan and Wilco with cline show there as well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 06:32:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CBTTv07440; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:29:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:29:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c510f6$0163e3d0$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Fripp and Frith Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:28:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On a Friday? | I've been saying for years they should play together,They could play in | Scotland "Fripp and Frith at the Forth of Firth" | | just beautiful: | ".... the only payment musicians | ultimately receive is the privilege of music occasionally leaning over and | taking them into its confidence." | | | | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 08:15:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CDDWR19721; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:13:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:13:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=KMfaJ3TLu4VzHo39IVlN4foTGNseCo8AkVjLIyM03o9BKYOFavIjjGRMNQ0NSXOAYotZYa91QR05Dub0IkH2bbw7o8TOQUm7TYw8r4h52fQO7MRNJenQPxjRF4AESBfi2fuIzb2+rZV58b39NRGwg6PUrL2dENRbNsbiyrKKHKU= ; Message-ID: <20050212131211.67469.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:12:11 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: looping and using monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b601c50fc7$ef0ccff0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7HarwB.A.UyE.wCgDCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Rico! I am having fun doing this thing lately last night i played in konstanz laying layers of rhythms i also graved an old cookie tray from the bar for a snare sound(a la ricko suave) with different instruments and then playing guitar on top with really low open tunigs fro a bassier sound,i did a version of "Walk on the wild side" man you should have seen the peoples faces bro!a girl kept coming up every 5 min. trying to see what was behind the monitor and how i was doing it and i just cracked up:-))then i went on to explain how i was doing it and people seem fascinated by it.I am doing congas with a small kanjira it sounds great but i want to get a good hand snare drum and maybe a small cymbal, what can you recomend me as a drummer? The problem that i having is getting this strange microphone echo bleeding into the loops as i overdub...i also noticed you use an AKG right? what mic would you recomend me?it obviously has to be one that doesnt pick up too much noise from around,a very direct one. This handsonic thing sounds also very cool but then again..here in germany people want to see something more organic i have the feeling... Thanx bro ill check them out! luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I"ve already posted this but since this discussion > has come up: > > I am using Radio Shack wireless headphones straight > off of my tape out on my > Mackie 1402 VLZ mixer. > > I bought them on sale for $70 and they are > FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!! > > the sound quality is good and, as a > multi-instrumentalist I have the freedom > to rove around, > switch instruments, tweak my gear, run out and dance > in the middle of the > audience been known to happen> ................all the while > listening perfectly to > my loops. > > They also have enough bleed through so that if I"m > playing with my brother > (who uses guitar amps for > some monitoring) I can hear him perfectly. > > The only thing you might want to do is put them in a > hard shell carrying > case as they are cheaply built with > plastic or, hell, buy a second set they are sooooo > damned cheap. > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 08:33:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CDWRN21796; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:32:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:32:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.42] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <200502041953.CRK76333@ms3.netsolmail.com> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:31:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2005 13:32:00.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B2A2C30:01C51107] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi not wanting to revive a long dead subject but I found this and thougth It was perfect for that the original poster wanted to do. its called the Effector 13 NO-Fi pedal http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22669&item=3780898270&rd=1 PS its not me thats selling it. Phill _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 08:59:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CDvpt24294; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:57:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:57:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c5110a$c7b573f0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: References: <003601c51092$d9ee9b50$6701a8c0@server> Subject: Re: electronics question for the tech-heads. Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:57:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C51113.2909B500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C51113.2909B500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good point Brian, but would it be risky to "try", could i blow = something? Checking thru the spec of the GK pickup (that would be = providing the power) there is no mention of power requirments at all, I = guess it has "no user servicable parts" therfore no info...=20 (how do i check the amperage anyhow?my simple multimeter doesnt seem to = have that on it..) Mark Risky...You also have amperage to consider. Will the source be able to = handle the amperage that the pickup draws? I think your best bet is to contact the manufacturer for the specs. Brian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark francombe=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:33 PM Subject: electronics question for the tech-heads. Sorry for Off topic.. After a few weeks of completely happy and crazy use of my newly = installed (and now working, thanks to LD people) Fernandes Sustainer = pickup, I have for the first time left the damn thing plugged in = overnight, (battery switch on jack socket arrangment) and drained the = battery. THIS WILL NOT DO! now I could add a power switch to the guitar = (but then I would no doubt forget that ..)=20 BUT... I have a cunning plan!!! I also have a GK midi pickup installed on the same guitar, and when = I poke around with the multimeter at the socket that is installed in the = guitar that takes the midi to my synth I find a pin that seems to have = around 7 volts sitting there. The sustainer pickup taks a 9 volt battery = (but when I test, again with multimeter) it also appears to be around 7 = volts. Now it doesnt take an idiot to realise what I'm suggesting. I would = like to take the power from the GK midi pickup cable and connect it to = the sustainer. Which I would have tried already, but for one little = prob. If I check voltage on the battery with multimeter connected with = BLACK cable to ground and RED cable to battery.. 7 volts. When I do the = same on this mysterious power wire inside the GK connector, the = multimeter trys to swing the wrong way, I reverse the multi meter leads, = and then I get this reading of 7 volts. Does this mean that the GK pickup is infact powered by -(minus) 7 = volts? ( I've never really understood the concept of negative volts Im = afraid..) SO.. either I cant use this power, OR I must reverse the = polarity of it???=20 Is this possible?=20 Wise? Foolish? Help? Mark mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 6941 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 6969 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. 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Good point Brian, but would it be risky = to "try",=20 could i blow something? Checking thru the spec of the GK pickup (that = would be=20 providing the power) there is no mention of power requirments at all, I = guess it=20 has "no user servicable parts" therfore no info...
(how do i check the amperage anyhow?my = simple=20 multimeter doesnt seem to have that on it..)
 
Mark
 

Risky...You also have amperage to = consider. Will=20 the source be able to handle the amperage that the pickup = draws?
 
I think your best bet is to contact = the=20 manufacturer for the specs.
 
Brian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mark=20 francombe
To: loopers-delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, February 11, = 2005 4:33=20 PM
Subject: electronics question = for the=20 tech-heads.

Sorry for Off topic..
 
After a few weeks of completely = happy and crazy=20 use of my newly installed (and now working, thanks to LD people) = Fernandes=20 Sustainer pickup, I have for the first time left the damn thing = plugged in=20 overnight, (battery switch on jack socket arrangment) and drained = the=20 battery. THIS WILL NOT DO! now I could add a power switch to the = guitar (but=20 then I would no doubt forget that ..)
BUT... I have a cunning = plan!!!
I also have a GK midi pickup = installed on the=20 same guitar, and when I poke around with the multimeter at the = socket that=20 is installed in the guitar that takes the midi to my synth I find a = pin that=20 seems to have around 7 volts sitting there. The sustainer pickup = taks a 9=20 volt battery (but when I test, again with multimeter) it also = appears to be=20 around 7 volts.
 
Now it doesnt take an idiot to = realise what I'm=20 suggesting. I would like to take the power from the GK midi pickup = cable and=20 connect it to the sustainer. Which I would have tried already, but = for one=20 little prob.
 
If I check voltage on the battery = with=20 multimeter connected with BLACK cable to ground and RED cable to = battery.. 7=20 volts. When I do the same on this mysterious power wire inside the = GK=20 connector, the multimeter trys to swing the wrong way, I reverse the = multi=20 meter leads, and then I get this reading of 7 volts.
Does this mean that the GK pickup = is infact=20 powered by -(minus) 7 volts? ( I've never really understood the = concept of=20 negative volts Im afraid..) SO.. either I cant use this power, OR I = must=20 reverse the polarity of it???
 
Is this possible?
 
Wise?
 
Foolish?
 
Help?
 
 
 
 
Mark
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C51113.2909B500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 09:07:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CE6Lm26932; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:06:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:06:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Chris Kline" To: Subject: RE: Musicians Wanted Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:04:15 -0600 Message-ID: <000101c5110b$bff93560$0200a8c0@honcho> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0hGv6B.A.1jG.50gDCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh, yeah...the problem with the big boobs screamy girls is it would probably detract from attention any looping artist would get. I don't know of any party-time super-fun loopers who make the girls mewl like starving kittens. Looping tends to be avant-garde. Prove me wrong here...are there some light-hearted entertainment types who loop heavily out there? But nice press shots... How much for the little girl? The women? How much for the women? http://us.f3.yahoofs.com/users/4202acc3zc853f9b6/59b7/__sr_/4759.jpg?phb LgDCBONrgCuqU Chris http://chriskline.com -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 6:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Musicians Wanted BANDS WANTED, MUSICIANS WANTED, COMEDIANS WANTED... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reply to: imagepalsmail@yahoo.com Date: 2005-02-11, 11:43AM PST Image Pals provides smart & sexy models and actresses to act as your groupies! They are trained to be an enthusiastic member of your audience, and take you up afterwards. And they are hot. Don't leave anything to chance at your next gig... Employ or beautiful Group Bees http://imagepalsusa.tripod.com www.imagepals.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 09:12:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CEAUM27644; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:10:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:10:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: electronics question for the tech-heads. Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:11:05 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c5110c$b4965d00$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C51115.165C4BA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <003501c5110a$c7b573f0$5a01a8c0@mark> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C51115.165C4BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can try and shorten the pin to the GND pin with a precision potentiometer (of which you are sure to turn it to maximum resistance before powering up). Then you can measure the voltage between power and GND pin while slowly turning the resistor to smaller Ohm values, until the voltage starts do drop. Then you disconnect the potentiometer and measure its resistance value. By using Ohm's law, you get the current the source is able to handle by I=3DU/R. =20 Wouldn't want to tell you this can be done without any risk whatsoever, though...you might start with a 250kohm logarithmic pot. Also consider that the components (mostly semiconductors) will heat up and then degrade temporarly in performance, so after you got you measurement, subtract 20-25% to be on the safe side. =20 You might also take apart your GK "host" and have a look whether you can find out which component supplies the power supply to the pickup. Or you could jury-rig your GK device and feed the power with a reliable power supply (say, a 7V/1.5A supply which I'd assume would be good for ten guitars)- -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: mark francombe [mailto:mark@mark-red.com]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2005 14:57 An: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: electronics question for the tech-heads. Good point Brian, but would it be risky to "try", could i blow something? Checking thru the spec of the GK pickup (that would be providing the power) there is no mention of power requirments at all, I guess it has "no user servicable parts" therfore no info...=20 (how do i check the amperage anyhow?my simple multimeter doesnt seem to have that on it..) =20 Mark =20 Risky...You also have amperage to consider. Will the source be able to handle the amperage that the pickup draws? =20 I think your best bet is to contact the manufacturer for the specs. =20 Brian =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark francombe=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:33 PM Subject: electronics question for the tech-heads. Sorry for Off topic.. =20 After a few weeks of completely happy and crazy use of my newly installed (and now working, thanks to LD people) Fernandes Sustainer pickup, I have for the first time left the damn thing plugged in overnight, (battery switch on jack socket arrangment) and drained the battery. THIS WILL NOT DO! now I could add a power switch to the guitar (but then I would no doubt forget that ..)=20 BUT... I have a cunning plan!!! I also have a GK midi pickup installed on the same guitar, and when I poke around with the multimeter at the socket that is installed in the guitar that takes the midi to my synth I find a pin that seems to have around 7 volts sitting there. The sustainer pickup taks a 9 volt battery (but when I test, again with multimeter) it also appears to be around 7 volts. =20 Now it doesnt take an idiot to realise what I'm suggesting. I would like to take the power from the GK midi pickup cable and connect it to the sustainer. Which I would have tried already, but for one little prob. =20 If I check voltage on the battery with multimeter connected with BLACK cable to ground and RED cable to battery.. 7 volts. When I do the same on this mysterious power wire inside the GK connector, the multimeter trys to swing the wrong way, I reverse the multi meter leads, and then I get this reading of 7 volts. Does this mean that the GK pickup is infact powered by -(minus) 7 volts? ( I've never really understood the concept of negative volts Im afraid..) SO.. either I cant use this power, OR I must reverse the polarity of it???=20 =20 Is this possible?=20 =20 Wise? =20 Foolish? =20 Help? =20 =20 =20 =20 Mark =20 =20 =20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com _____ =20 I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 6941 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! _____ =20 I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 6969 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C51115.165C4BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
You=20 can try and shorten the pin to the GND pin with a = precision potentiometer=20 (of which you are sure to turn it to maximum resistance before powering = up).=20 Then you can measure the voltage between power and GND pin while slowly = turning=20 the resistor to smaller Ohm values, until the voltage starts do drop. = Then you=20 disconnect the potentiometer and measure its resistance value. By using = Ohm's=20 law, you get the current the source is able to handle by=20 I=3DU/R.
 
Wouldn't want to tell you this can be done without any risk = whatsoever,=20 though...you might start with a 250kohm logarithmic pot. Also consider = that the=20 components (mostly semiconductors) will heat up and then degrade = temporarly in=20 performance, so after you got you measurement, subtract 20-25% to be on = the safe=20 side.
 
You=20 might also take apart your GK "host" and have a look whether you can = find out=20 which component supplies the power supply to the pickup. Or you could = jury-rig=20 your GK device and feed the power with a reliable power supply (say, a = 7V/1.5A=20 supply which I'd assume would be good for ten = guitars)-
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: mark = francombe=20 [mailto:mark@mark-red.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar = 2005=20 14:57
An: = loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re:=20 electronics question for the tech-heads.

Good point Brian, but would it be = risky to "try",=20 could i blow something? Checking thru the spec of the GK pickup (that = would be=20 providing the power) there is no mention of power requirments at all, = I guess=20 it has "no user servicable parts" therfore no info...
(how do i check the amperage = anyhow?my simple=20 multimeter doesnt seem to have that on it..)
 
Mark
 

Risky...You also have amperage to = consider.=20 Will the source be able to handle the amperage that the pickup=20 draws?
 
I think your best bet is to contact = the=20 manufacturer for the specs.
 
Brian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mark=20 francombe
To: loopers-delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, February 11, = 2005 4:33=20 PM
Subject: electronics = question for the=20 tech-heads.

Sorry for Off = topic..
 
After a few weeks of completely = happy and=20 crazy use of my newly installed (and now working, thanks to LD = people)=20 Fernandes Sustainer pickup, I have for the first time left the = damn thing=20 plugged in overnight, (battery switch on jack socket arrangment) = and=20 drained the battery. THIS WILL NOT DO! now I could add a power = switch to=20 the guitar (but then I would no doubt forget that ..) =
BUT... I have a cunning = plan!!!
I also have a GK midi pickup = installed on the=20 same guitar, and when I poke around with the multimeter at the = socket that=20 is installed in the guitar that takes the midi to my synth I find = a pin=20 that seems to have around 7 volts sitting there. The sustainer = pickup taks=20 a 9 volt battery (but when I test, again with multimeter) it also = appears=20 to be around 7 volts.
 
Now it doesnt take an idiot to = realise what=20 I'm suggesting. I would like to take the power from the GK midi = pickup=20 cable and connect it to the sustainer. Which I would have tried = already,=20 but for one little prob.
 
If I check voltage on the battery = with=20 multimeter connected with BLACK cable to ground and RED cable to = battery..=20 7 volts. When I do the same on this mysterious power wire inside = the GK=20 connector, the multimeter trys to swing the wrong way, I reverse = the multi=20 meter leads, and then I get this reading of 7 volts.
Does this mean that the GK pickup = is infact=20 powered by -(minus) 7 volts? ( I've never really understood the = concept of=20 negative volts Im afraid..) SO.. either I cant use this power, OR = I must=20 reverse the polarity of it???
 
Is this possible?
 
Wise?
 
Foolish?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C51115.165C4BA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 09:28:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CERIh30692; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:27:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:27:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1056.12.202.55.206.1108218389.squirrel@webmail.sep.com> In-Reply-To: <003501c5110a$c7b573f0$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <003601c51092$d9ee9b50$6701a8c0@server> <003501c5110a$c7b573f0$5a01a8c0@mark> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:26:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: electronics question for the tech-heads. From: tcombs@sep.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7TzDW.A.icH.XIhDCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In this case I think it would be risky to even try it. The GK pickup does not provide it's own power - power, I believe, comes from another device such as a GR33 or VG-8. In the configuration you want to try, the GK pickup would merely let power flow through it and into the sustainer circuit. A hunch tells me that the sustainer circuitry requires more amperage than the GK does to operate. Thus, I doubt the GK power supply is rated for powering a GK pickup and a sustainer circuit simultaneously. If sufficient over current protection is not built into the device that provides GK power, you could very well burn something up not in the GK pickup, but whatever device is providing GK power. Checking amperage is not something you can do simply with a multimeter in this situation. You'll have to somewhere make a break in the wire that carries power to the GK pickup and insert the multimeter in series with the flow of power (when you measure voltage you're actually connecting the meter in parallel with the circuit under question). However, an amperage measurement only tells you how much current is being drawn by a device - it tells you nothing about how much current the power supply is capable of providing (only the power supply manufacturer can tell you that). If it were me, I'd modify my guitar to make the sustainer battery as easily accessible as possible, always make sure I have a backup battery, and teach myself the habit of unplugging the guitar when won't be played for a long duration. I treat batteries like strings - always have a backup. Another option - find a wall wart power supply that is capable of powering the sustainer circuit, attach a long cable to it, put a power connector on your guitar, and wail away. Best of luck, Tom > Good point Brian, but would it be risky to "try", could i blow something? > Checking thru the spec of the GK pickup (that would be providing the > power) there is no mention of power requirments at all, I guess it has "no > user servicable parts" therfore no info... > (how do i check the amperage anyhow?my simple multimeter doesnt seem to > have that on it..) > > Mark > > > > Risky...You also have amperage to consider. Will the source be able to > handle the amperage that the pickup draws? > > I think your best bet is to contact the manufacturer for the specs. > > Brian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mark francombe > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:33 PM > Subject: electronics question for the tech-heads. > > > Sorry for Off topic.. > > After a few weeks of completely happy and crazy use of my newly > installed (and now working, thanks to LD people) Fernandes Sustainer > pickup, I have for the first time left the damn thing plugged in > overnight, (battery switch on jack socket arrangment) and drained the > battery. THIS WILL NOT DO! now I could add a power switch to the > guitar (but then I would no doubt forget that ..) > BUT... I have a cunning plan!!! > I also have a GK midi pickup installed on the same guitar, and when I > poke around with the multimeter at the socket that is installed in the > guitar that takes the midi to my synth I find a pin that seems to have > around 7 volts sitting there. The sustainer pickup taks a 9 volt > battery (but when I test, again with multimeter) it also appears to be > around 7 volts. > > Now it doesnt take an idiot to realise what I'm suggesting. I would > like to take the power from the GK midi pickup cable and connect it to > the sustainer. Which I would have tried already, but for one little > prob. > > If I check voltage on the battery with multimeter connected with BLACK > cable to ground and RED cable to battery.. 7 volts. When I do the same > on this mysterious power wire inside the GK connector, the multimeter > trys to swing the wrong way, I reverse the multi meter leads, and then > I get this reading of 7 volts. > Does this mean that the GK pickup is infact powered by -(minus) 7 > volts? ( I've never really understood the concept of negative volts Im > afraid..) SO.. either I cant use this power, OR I must reverse the > polarity of it??? > > Is this possible? > > Wise? > > Foolish? > > Help? > > > > > Mark > > > > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 6941 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > > ---------------------------------------- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 6969 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 10:57:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CFtTm10040; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:55:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:55:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=wLVvdhqEpVkdi+aMC0p8N3TioLVT6zWtTumVvwOx++rlIn6eh5a3Oqz19F6Mm01Cq5storr0MRzKvcRdW5Y+Igi1jdU/pQTv6BkyO+9q6Dq93NcIJoMO5UkBNbg8o0bxO2dIMklFySwBd9YXS8Fpd5XTE0Z+bIY5N34ejKfSnEk= ; Message-ID: <20050212155445.93895.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:54:45 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: electronics question for the tech-heads. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1056.12.202.55.206.1108218389.squirrel@webmail.sep.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now that we are on this topic which i am glad you guys brought up: I also installed a sustainer into a roland ready fender strat,now i dont have any experience with electronics but the tech told me that in order to use the sustainer i have to plug a 1/4 inch plug dummy(like the one on a guitar cable) on the main guitar jack if i am using the GK-pickup cable.But it would be great if they could run through the same GK-pickup jack output and just switch from synth to guitar mode and use the sustainer,you think this is possible putting some kind of switch on the guitar? cheers Luis --- tcombs@sep.com wrote: > In this case I think it would be risky to even try > it. The GK pickup does > not provide it's own power - power, I believe, comes > from another device > such as a GR33 or VG-8. In the configuration you > want to try, the GK > pickup would merely let power flow through it and > into the sustainer > circuit. A hunch tells me that the sustainer > circuitry requires more > amperage than the GK does to operate. Thus, I doubt > the GK power supply > is rated for powering a GK pickup and a sustainer > circuit simultaneously. > If sufficient over current protection is not built > into the device that > provides GK power, you could very well burn > something up not in the GK > pickup, but whatever device is providing GK power. > > Checking amperage is not something you can do simply > with a multimeter in > this situation. You'll have to somewhere make a > break in the wire that > carries power to the GK pickup and insert the > multimeter in series with > the flow of power (when you measure voltage you're > actually connecting the > meter in parallel with the circuit under question). > However, an amperage > measurement only tells you how much current is being > drawn by a device - > it tells you nothing about how much current the > power supply is capable of > providing (only the power supply manufacturer can > tell you that). > > If it were me, I'd modify my guitar to make the > sustainer battery as > easily accessible as possible, always make sure I > have a backup battery, > and teach myself the habit of unplugging the guitar > when won't be played > for a long duration. I treat batteries like strings > - always have a > backup. > > Another option - find a wall wart power supply that > is capable of powering > the sustainer circuit, attach a long cable to it, > put a power connector on > your guitar, and wail away. > > Best of luck, > Tom > > > > Good point Brian, but would it be risky to "try", > could i blow something? > > Checking thru the spec of the GK pickup (that > would be providing the > > power) there is no mention of power requirments at > all, I guess it has "no > > user servicable parts" therfore no info... > > (how do i check the amperage anyhow?my simple > multimeter doesnt seem to > > have that on it..) > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > Risky...You also have amperage to consider. Will > the source be able to > > handle the amperage that the pickup draws? > > > > I think your best bet is to contact the > manufacturer for the specs. > > > > Brian > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: mark francombe > > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:33 PM > > Subject: electronics question for the > tech-heads. > > > > > > Sorry for Off topic.. > > > > After a few weeks of completely happy and > crazy use of my newly > > installed (and now working, thanks to LD people) > Fernandes Sustainer > > pickup, I have for the first time left the damn > thing plugged in > > overnight, (battery switch on jack socket > arrangment) and drained the > > battery. THIS WILL NOT DO! now I could add a power > switch to the > > guitar (but then I would no doubt forget that ..) > > BUT... I have a cunning plan!!! > > I also have a GK midi pickup installed on the > same guitar, and when I > > poke around with the multimeter at the socket that > is installed in the > > guitar that takes the midi to my synth I find a > pin that seems to have > > around 7 volts sitting there. The sustainer pickup > taks a 9 volt > > battery (but when I test, again with multimeter) > it also appears to be > > around 7 volts. > > > > Now it doesnt take an idiot to realise what > I'm suggesting. I would > > like to take the power from the GK midi pickup > cable and connect it to > > the sustainer. Which I would have tried already, > but for one little > > prob. > > > > If I check voltage on the battery with > multimeter connected with BLACK > > cable to ground and RED cable to battery.. 7 > volts. When I do the same > > on this mysterious power wire inside the GK > connector, the multimeter > > trys to swing the wrong way, I reverse the multi > meter leads, and then > > I get this reading of 7 volts. > > Does this mean that the GK pickup is infact > powered by -(minus) 7 > > volts? ( I've never really understood the concept > of negative volts Im > > afraid..) SO.. either I cant use this power, OR I > must reverse the > > polarity of it??? > > > > Is this possible? > > > > Wise? > > > > Foolish? > > > > Help? > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > mark francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for > private users. > > It has removed 6941 spam emails to date. > > Paying users do not have this message in their > emails. > > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for > private users. > > It has removed 6969 spam emails to date. > > Paying users do not have this message in their > emails. > > Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 11:42:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CGfXl18478; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050212155445.93895.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050212155445.93895.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1070202873 Message-Id: From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: electronics question for the tech-heads. Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:40:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-1070202873 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Yes according to the guitarbuilder that built my guitar http://www.nevbornguitars.com/ there's no problem with having a switch . the dummy is just for switching the power on/off. the "normal pickup goes through the fernandes circuits even when the sustainer is not in use and then on to the GK output so there's both Gk and normal guitarpickup as well as mixed mode, providing the power's on. I choose the dummy instead because I thought the switch would be easier to forget, but the dummy is hard to remember as well so....... (but it kind of looks cool , I don't know ::::) Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-02-12 kl. 16.54 skrev L. Angulo: > Now that we are on this topic which i am glad you guys > brought up: > I also installed a sustainer into a roland ready > fender strat,now i dont have any experience with > electronics but the tech told me that in order to use > the sustainer i have to plug a 1/4 inch plug > dummy(like the one on a guitar cable) on the main > guitar jack if i am using the GK-pickup cable.But it > would be great if they could run through the same > GK-pickup jack output and just switch from synth to > guitar mode and use the sustainer,you think this is > possible putting some kind of switch on the guitar? > cheers > Luis > --- tcombs@sep.com wrote: > >> In this case I think it would be risky to even try >> it. The GK pickup does >> not provide it's own power - power, I believe, comes >> from another device >> such as a GR33 or VG-8. In the configuration you >> want to try, the GK >> pickup would merely let power flow through it and >> into the sustainer >> circuit. A hunch tells me that the sustainer >> circuitry requires more >> amperage than the GK does to operate. Thus, I doubt >> the GK power supply >> is rated for powering a GK pickup and a sustainer >> circuit simultaneously. >> If sufficient over current protection is not built >> into the device that >> provides GK power, you could very well burn >> something up not in the GK >> pickup, but whatever device is providing GK power. >> >> Checking amperage is not something you can do simply >> with a multimeter in >> this situation. You'll have to somewhere make a >> break in the wire that >> carries power to the GK pickup and insert the >> multimeter in series with >> the flow of power (when you measure voltage you're >> actually connecting the >> meter in parallel with the circuit under question). >> However, an amperage >> measurement only tells you how much current is being >> drawn by a device - >> it tells you nothing about how much current the >> power supply is capable of >> providing (only the power supply manufacturer can >> tell you that). >> >> If it were me, I'd modify my guitar to make the >> sustainer battery as >> easily accessible as possible, always make sure I >> have a backup battery, >> and teach myself the habit of unplugging the guitar >> when won't be played >> for a long duration. I treat batteries like strings >> - always have a >> backup. >> >> Another option - find a wall wart power supply that >> is capable of powering >> the sustainer circuit, attach a long cable to it, >> put a power connector on >> your guitar, and wail away. >> >> Best of luck, >> Tom >> >> >>> Good point Brian, but would it be risky to "try", >> could i blow something? >>> Checking thru the spec of the GK pickup (that >> would be providing the >>> power) there is no mention of power requirments at >> all, I guess it has "no >>> user servicable parts" therfore no info... >>> (how do i check the amperage anyhow?my simple >> multimeter doesnt seem to >>> have that on it..) >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> Risky...You also have amperage to consider. Will >> the source be able to >>> handle the amperage that the pickup draws? >>> >>> I think your best bet is to contact the >> manufacturer for the specs. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: mark francombe >>> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:33 PM >>> Subject: electronics question for the >> tech-heads. >>> >>> >>> Sorry for Off topic.. >>> >>> After a few weeks of completely happy and >> crazy use of my newly >>> installed (and now working, thanks to LD people) >> Fernandes Sustainer >>> pickup, I have for the first time left the damn >> thing plugged in >>> overnight, (battery switch on jack socket >> arrangment) and drained the >>> battery. THIS WILL NOT DO! now I could add a power >> switch to the >>> guitar (but then I would no doubt forget that ..) >>> BUT... I have a cunning plan!!! >>> I also have a GK midi pickup installed on the >> same guitar, and when I >>> poke around with the multimeter at the socket that >> is installed in the >>> guitar that takes the midi to my synth I find a >> pin that seems to have >>> around 7 volts sitting there. The sustainer pickup >> taks a 9 volt >>> battery (but when I test, again with multimeter) >> it also appears to be >>> around 7 volts. >>> >>> Now it doesnt take an idiot to realise what >> I'm suggesting. I would >>> like to take the power from the GK midi pickup >> cable and connect it to >>> the sustainer. Which I would have tried already, >> but for one little >>> prob. >>> >>> If I check voltage on the battery with >> multimeter connected with BLACK >>> cable to ground and RED cable to battery.. 7 >> volts. When I do the same >>> on this mysterious power wire inside the GK >> connector, the multimeter >>> trys to swing the wrong way, I reverse the multi >> meter leads, and then >>> I get this reading of 7 volts. >>> Does this mean that the GK pickup is infact >> powered by -(minus) 7 >>> volts? ( I've never really understood the concept >> of negative volts Im >>> afraid..) SO.. either I cant use this power, OR I >> must reverse the >>> polarity of it??? >>> >>> Is this possible? >>> >>> Wise? >>> >>> Foolish? >>> >>> Help? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> mark francombe >>> www.markfrancombe.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- >>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for >> private users. >>> It has removed 6941 spam emails to date. >>> Paying users do not have this message in their >> emails. >>> Try SPAMfighter for free now! >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for >> private users. >>> It has removed 6969 spam emails to date. >>> Paying users do not have this message in their >> emails. >>> Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! >> >> >> >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > --Apple-Mail-1-1070202873 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Yes according to the guitarbuilder that built my guitar http://www.nevbornguitars.com/ there's no problem with having a switch . the dummy is just for switching the power on/off. the "normal pickup goes through the fernandes circuits even when the sustainer is not in use and then on to the GK output so there's both Gk and normal guitarpickup as well as mixed mode, providing the power's on. I choose the dummy instead because I thought the switch would be easier to forget, but the dummy is hard to remember as well so....... (but it kind of looks cool , I don't know ::::) Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-02-12 kl. 16.54 skrev L. Angulo: Now that we are on this topic which i am glad you guys brought up: I also installed a sustainer into a roland ready fender strat,now i dont have any experience with electronics but the tech told me that in order to use the sustainer i have to plug a 1/4 inch plug dummy(like the one on a guitar cable) on the main guitar jack if i am using the GK-pickup cable.But it would be great if they could run through the same GK-pickup jack output and just switch from synth to guitar mode and use the sustainer,you think this is possible putting some kind of switch on the guitar? cheers Luis --- tcombs@sep.com wrote: In this case I think it would be risky to even try it. The GK pickup does not provide it's own power - power, I believe, comes from another device such as a GR33 or VG-8. In the configuration you want to try, the GK pickup would merely let power flow through it and into the sustainer circuit. A hunch tells me that the sustainer circuitry requires more amperage than the GK does to operate. Thus, I doubt the GK power supply is rated for powering a GK pickup and a sustainer circuit simultaneously. If sufficient over current protection is not built into the device that provides GK power, you could very well burn something up not in the GK pickup, but whatever device is providing GK power. Checking amperage is not something you can do simply with a multimeter in this situation. You'll have to somewhere make a break in the wire that carries power to the GK pickup and insert the multimeter in series with the flow of power (when you measure voltage you're actually connecting the meter in parallel with the circuit under question). However, an amperage measurement only tells you how much current is being drawn by a device - it tells you nothing about how much current the power supply is capable of providing (only the power supply manufacturer can tell you that). If it were me, I'd modify my guitar to make the sustainer battery as easily accessible as possible, always make sure I have a backup battery, and teach myself the habit of unplugging the guitar when won't be played for a long duration. I treat batteries like strings - always have a backup. Another option - find a wall wart power supply that is capable of powering the sustainer circuit, attach a long cable to it, put a power connector on your guitar, and wail away. Best of luck, Tom Good point Brian, but would it be risky to "try", could i blow something? Checking thru the spec of the GK pickup (that would be providing the power) there is no mention of power requirments at all, I guess it has "no user servicable parts" therfore no info... (how do i check the amperage anyhow?my simple multimeter doesnt seem to have that on it..) Mark Risky...You also have amperage to consider. Will the source be able to handle the amperage that the pickup draws? I think your best bet is to contact the manufacturer for the specs. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: mark francombe To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:33 PM Subject: electronics question for the tech-heads. Sorry for Off topic.. After a few weeks of completely happy and crazy use of my newly installed (and now working, thanks to LD people) Fernandes Sustainer pickup, I have for the first time left the damn thing plugged in overnight, (battery switch on jack socket arrangment) and drained the battery. THIS WILL NOT DO! now I could add a power switch to the guitar (but then I would no doubt forget that ..) BUT... I have a cunning plan!!! I also have a GK midi pickup installed on the same guitar, and when I poke around with the multimeter at the socket that is installed in the guitar that takes the midi to my synth I find a pin that seems to have around 7 volts sitting there. The sustainer pickup taks a 9 volt battery (but when I test, again with multimeter) it also appears to be around 7 volts. Now it doesnt take an idiot to realise what I'm suggesting. I would like to take the power from the GK midi pickup cable and connect it to the sustainer. Which I would have tried already, but for one little prob. If I check voltage on the battery with multimeter connected with BLACK cable to ground and RED cable to battery.. 7 volts. When I do the same on this mysterious power wire inside the GK connector, the multimeter trys to swing the wrong way, I reverse the multi meter leads, and then I get this reading of 7 volts. Does this mean that the GK pickup is infact powered by -(minus) 7 volts? ( I've never really understood the concept of negative volts Im afraid..) SO.. either I cant use this power, OR I must reverse the polarity of it??? Is this possible? Wise? Foolish? Help? Mark mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 6941 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 6969 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --Apple-Mail-1-1070202873-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 11:50:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CGmSM19826; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:48:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:48:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <200502121642.j1CGgId18695@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502121642.j1CGgId18695@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <725ee2d46b77892327504b360d5bca92@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: electronics question for the tech-heads. Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:47:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed914f0479005d5b8aafbd07de69c32655d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.5.224 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I was you, I'd contact Reeves Gabrel through his website http://www.reevesgabrels.com/ and see if he can provide any info on how his GK and sustainer equipped Fly was wired up. He seems to be a helpful sort if you don't go all fanboy on him. There's also at least one person on the Steinberger yahoo list who has retrofitted a GK and a sustainer into the same guitar. TH On Feb 12, 2005, at 8:42 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "L. Angulo" > Date: February 12, 2005 7:54:45 AM PST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: electronics question for the tech-heads. > > > Now that we are on this topic which i am glad you guys > brought up: > I also installed a sustainer into a roland ready > fender strat,now i dont have any experience with > electronics but the tech told me that in order to use > the sustainer i have to plug a 1/4 inch plug > dummy(like the one on a guitar cable) on the main > guitar jack if i am using the GK-pickup cable.But it > would be great if they could run through the same > GK-pickup jack output and just switch from synth to > guitar mode and use the sustainer,you think this is > possible putting some kind of switch on the guitar? > cheers > Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 12:08:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CH6xw24111; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:06:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:06:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <200502121412.j1CECLv27855@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502121412.j1CECLv27855@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Musicians Wanted Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:06:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed982c37666507af009e0431dc9ab00ac06350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.5.224 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is no looping content in what follows: Although this does appear to be sleazy spam aimed it musicians, it brings up a real issue for the performing musician and reminds me of something that happened last night. I was playing at a largish cafe/wine bar and there was an opening act, a piano-based singer songwriter. She and I have shared a few bills locally and so I was looking to provide some support during her set. I made sure to sit relatively up front, closer than anyone else had at that point, and to lead the applause after each song (musicians aren't the main event at this venue, so response can sometimes be....lacking). So, as soon as she'd finish, I'd start clapping firmly and continue until other people started clapping. It took about three seconds, which feels like a long time when you're the only person clapping. A group of other people would start at that point and then about three seconds after that, most of the back of the room. I would guess this is mostly contagion at work, but it helps remind people that someone's doing something there in the stage area and (I think) help direct a bit of their attention towards something that they might otherwise tune out in the same manner as the CD player. Regardless of the "sincerity" of the applause I know that it cheers up the performer (this one in particular doesn't have a lot of stage experience and gets a bit nervous), and happy performers who feel appreciated always do a better job than someone who feels like Kirk in that Star Trek episode where he ends up "out of phase" with the rest of the Enterprise. After five or six songs, I held off on starting the clapping and in those instances it seemed there was less of it. Then I resumed my "planted" clapping and it picked up again. Then it was time for my set. I've played there many times before and a lot of the regulars like my stuff and I generally get a good response in these situations, and so it was again. But, as the two hour gig went on I witnessed a common phenomena, which is that after a while people sort of acclimate to you and applause drops down. You can argue that maybe I frequently start to suck after an hour, but personally I think that people just grow accustomed to you there (remember, this is a show where people don't pay cover and there aren't a bunch of seats in row facing a stage) and having made their appreciation know six or seven times, get wrapped up in whatever else they're doing and "forget" to clap. Anyway, there was a girl studying at a table near the stage who was obviously interested in what I was doing and had been clapping, along with everyone else. Then I got to the point where I finished a piece...and no-one clapped. Like I said, I've seen this many times, so it doesn't really bother me, but I looked over at her and she had given a few quiet claps and she said "I'd wanted to clap, but I'd feel stupid being the only one." I laughed and told her "But see--if you start, everyone else will follow." And after the next tune, that's what happened. Like I said, you could theorize that suddenly I sucked on the previous number and no-one thought it was worthy of clapping, and then recovered on the next one, but I'm don't buy it. On the gigs where my girlfriend comes along, she always does the clapping plant, and I've seen it work often enough to feel confident that unless you're in a room with the most oblivious or rude audience in the world, people will follow the lead of someone clapping, as long as it doesn't sound like some ironic commentary. And, maybe even then. Which brings me back to the rent-a-babe mail. When I was playing regularly with bands, we noticed the "performer force field" phenomena, which is that in a club, people are reluctant to get within a certain distance of the performer. This varies according to the size of the club, but is generally far enough away that you couldn't swing a mic stand and hit them. 15-20 feet in a rock club. We'd get one of our friends to walk up right in front of the singers vocal monitor during the first song and stand there resolutely, and you could see everyone else go "Oh, I guess it's not a minefield up there..." and move forward another ten feet or so. It just took one person willing to stand there feeling like a bit of an idiot for a few minutes. I feel certain that given the typical audience composition at a club, employing a hot looking woman to do the same thing would be doubly effective. And if you can dial down the, what shall we call it--"Slut" factor, I think many managers would regard this as a shrewd investment. Liquor and tobacco companies have been planting women in clubs to hawk their products for years, and given the seeming near-total rejection of the idea of "selling out" in the pop world these days (remember when it was a bad thing to let your music be used in a commercial?), I would guess this is going to become an increasingly common promotion technique. TravisH On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:12 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "samba -" > Date: February 11, 2005 4:12:06 PM PST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Musicians Wanted > > > BANDS WANTED, MUSICIANS WANTED, COMEDIANS WANTED... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > Reply to: imagepalsmail@yahoo.com > Date: 2005-02-11, 11:43AM PST > > Image Pals provides smart & sexy models and actresses to act as your > groupies! > > They are trained to be an enthusiastic member of your audience, and > take you up afterwards. And they are hot. > > Don't leave anything to chance at your next gig... > > Employ or beautiful Group Bees http://imagepalsusa.tripod.com > www.imagepals.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 12:50:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CHlw230849; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:47:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:47:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.203.206] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Musicians Wanted Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:45:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2005 17:46:00.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6FCB300:01C5112A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Audience plants are called shills in carnival and circus lingo. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 13:44:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CIhsb07405; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:43:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:43:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:41:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Musicians Wanted From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9VB3_D.A.0xB.G5kDCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i only have one plant. i call it 'robert' > Audience plants are called shills in carnival and circus lingo. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 13:45:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CIhnv07394; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:43:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:43:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=WymvdkX6HgdoMb2sVWT+QiahFkA8xUsuYCB7OfbENph/CIHbzvavW1pZEnG8c+uu8AXShvAiSrtfzC+3Uyr8Gz7lRgZ8r13LyxSZWfB1qdBC9mI3jmO9i/dwb6A/ncxF3bw0nW+WUayYGS7poYz2ekd2fa5Hy6CO58vd8PxUDgQ= ; Message-ID: <20050212184302.55494.qmail@web54404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:43:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Jones Subject: RC-20 Start up problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had my Boss RC-20 Loop Station for about 6 months, and now whenever I plug it in, the guide flashes rapidly, the reverse comes on, and it says all the memory is full, which is also flashing. Then, after a bit if I hit the record pedal, the record, play, and overdub lights all come on. I've checked the batteries a few times and that's about all I know how to do. Any help would be wonderful. thanks. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 15:08:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CK6fL21534; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:06:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:06:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <86.21afbe96.2f3fbb8c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:05:32 EST Subject: Re: RC-20 Start up problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/12/05 10:44:26 AM, jeryj9@yahoo.com writes: << the guide flashes rapidly, the reverse comes on, and it says all the memory is full, which is also flashing. >> Hi Any chance your memory is actually full? :-) I would try using a power supply instead of batts. Then I would probably go through each of the 11 phrase slots and hold down the delete button to see if that clears the memory. There may even be some sort of reset combination like starting the unit while holding down the delete button, I am not sure. Sounds fishy in any case. Might be warranty time if you have one. BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 15:34:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CKX6125019; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:33:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:33:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Musicians Wanted Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:33:32 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c51142$21caf4f0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1CKWLS24887 Resent-Message-ID: <5rUeEC.A.JFG.WfmDCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis, what you describe has basically to do with the fact that humans in modern society are basically gregorious animals. Will the other audients think I'm stupid or don't have any musical understanding if I start to clap when no one else is clapping. Will the other audients think I'm stupid or don't have any musical understanding if I refrain from applauding even when other people are doing so? The greatest fear of humans in this society is to do something what others might think is not appropriate. So having a plant as you call it is important, only to get the people who actually would like to applaude to do so. And this works in any context, an can be exploited by the intelligent artist to get the audience to do what he likes them to do. I had this experience when during our training camp at Tae-Kwon-Do, which took place in a rural area in lower Bavaria, a group (some eight people, mostly students) decided to visit a local discotheque. As it turned out, the fashion there was that on the dancefloor you found a) groups of two or more girls, b) pairs (only a few). Most of the guys were sitting round the dancefloor, drinking beer and looking bored. Our group decided to hit the dancefloor - and after some strange looks from the locals, the first people decided to join us. I don't think there is anything wrong in helping people to do what they wanted to do anyway (in our case, let the artist know they like the performance). And to do so, even one or two of your friends (or loyal fans) might suffice. Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2005 18:06 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Musicians Wanted There is no looping content in what follows: Although this does appear to be sleazy spam aimed it musicians, it brings up a real issue for the performing musician and reminds me of [...] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 17:00:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CLweM04272; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:58:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:58:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Musicians Wanted Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:57:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcURJUpsrJq35RvLQ+mUv5BCRBLltwAJvj2w Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1D05Gp4Ave-0001iC@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tend to perform solo or with my band at many venues where the music is not why people are there. Musicians are 'trained' that if you play and you finish, people are supposed to clap, right? If not, at least a few people in the audience either feel 'obligated' (that is what you are supposed to do/that is what the performer expects) or they feel weird being the 'leader of the clap' (that sounds obscene). Being that the music is 'ambient' (not a category, but an adjective), I skip over this whole performer/audience obligation thingy and *never stop*. Well, at least till the set is over. Then I stop, and don't wait for applause, I turn the equipment off. If people like it, they will buy a cd. Or come and say Hi. I know if I play badly, or if I am having a good night, and these gigs don't lend themselves to this 'external validation' anyway. Most musicians thrive on this, however, and maybe that is where the frustration sets in- the 'look at me, even if I am not the reason you are here- LOOK AT ME, DAMMIT! I am demanding some kind of acknowledgment that all this money spent on all this equipment and time learning to use it and all those scales and did you here that solo in the 3rd song and man, am I cool! Don't you understand what I am doing?? This is all live!! Sheesh!' I am sure I have been there too, but it really sucks felling that way. Interesting discussion. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Although this does appear to be sleazy spam aimed it > musicians, it brings up a real issue for the performing > musician and reminds me of something that happened last night. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 17:43:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CMfLm12637; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:41:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:41:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=3IIyE0o7bm/tcGbV/xHU9meg0ELazUIzaRNga4z7W94Bl3nrSyZriXE1zPW6NjfNTnJFJTEkztFEFbMOYhMOEj24qN3nZJIALTouMztzGjjB4dbqpdkxYb7XiE/lOyEn8PBaaDKp0Jklp+4gcg23uxZoVT05s/13HZRkbEbY4rA= ; Message-ID: <20050212224057.20989.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:40:57 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: Musicians Wanted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c51142$21caf4f0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From my experience this is something very typical here in Germany,after living in america where being crazy is not a sin:-)at first here it was hard to perform in a new place where expression is less obvious and not know if they like what you are doing or not.But then after observing how everyone dares to dance and smile when somebody starts it,well it was sort of a relief! Yesterday i played a gig at an irish pub playing covers and using loops and although i was playing accesible stuff the crazy loop thing was for a lot of people new.There were people coming in and staying and there were people peaking around and moving on to the next bar.I felt really good to hear people come after the show and hear positive feedback,but after getting paid the bar owner said he'd probably stop doing solo and duo shows because he doesnt want people to peak around and move on to the next bar, but he wants them all walking inside drinking and staying,which is the case when people hear a whole band making big noise he said... Although we are musicians who believe in ourselves and our personal taste,reality starts being different when you deal with bar owners who hire you.Unfortunately even here its getting harder and harder to play in places where we can please our ego and get paid for it... I think we all strive to do the best we can and the need for acceptance and attention is in our human nature.My kids are proof of it... Luis > I had this experience when during our training camp > at Tae-Kwon-Do, > which took place in a rural area in lower Bavaria, a > group (some eight > people, mostly students) decided to visit a local > discotheque. As it > turned out, the fashion there was that on the > dancefloor you found a) > groups of two or more girls, b) pairs (only a few). > Most of the guys > were sitting round the dancefloor, drinking beer and > looking bored. Our > group decided to hit the dancefloor - and after some > strange looks from > the locals, the first people decided to join us. > > I don't think there is anything wrong in helping > people to do what they > wanted to do anyway (in our case, let the artist > know they like the > performance). And to do so, even one or two of your > friends (or loyal > fans) might suffice. > > Rainer > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2005 18:06 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Musicians Wanted > > > There is no looping content in what follows: > > Although this does appear to be sleazy spam aimed it > musicians, it > brings up a real issue for the performing musician > and reminds me of > [...] > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 17:51:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CMo7I14318; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:50:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:50:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=P2K9XkA/eFLKT4SHRqUqVrALQLp1uHwnlxU6f7ab7NyTB3jGQY4M8Gi3SgvNuKxd/r482tuWijm80V1p8QqIxQu+wKWIMR7uk1matrAUD0bkPDtl2eDa0W32Tu2+5yrZKtwe1iVbT7fB0Y5Te1Yyn1U4D/aoZAWm/9fYr72ONoc= ; Message-ID: <20050212224946.22314.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:49:45 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Musicians Wanted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000101c5110b$bff93560$0200a8c0@honcho> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8NXuwB.A.9eD.PgoDCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes,2 people come to mind: Howie Day, the younger cover-loop guy (you can hear girls screaming in his live recordings)i am sure he gets some pantie hoses and Keller Williams (although i dont know if this one gets any) cheers Luis --- Chris Kline wrote: > Uh, yeah...the problem with the big boobs screamy > girls is it would > probably detract from attention any looping artist > would get. I don't > know of any party-time super-fun loopers who make > the girls mewl like > starving kittens. Looping tends to be avant-garde. > Prove me wrong > here...are there some light-hearted entertainment > types who loop heavily > out there? > > > But nice press shots... How much for the little > girl? The women? How > much for the women? > http://us.f3.yahoofs.com/users/4202acc3zc853f9b6/59b7/__sr_/4759.jpg?phb > LgDCBONrgCuqU > > Chris > http://chriskline.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 6:12 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Musicians Wanted > > BANDS WANTED, MUSICIANS WANTED, COMEDIANS WANTED... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Reply to: imagepalsmail@yahoo.com > Date: 2005-02-11, 11:43AM PST > > Image Pals provides smart & sexy models and > actresses to act as your > groupies! > > They are trained to be an enthusiastic member of > your audience, and take > you > up afterwards. And they are hot. > > Don't leave anything to chance at your next gig... > > Employ or beautiful Group Bees > http://imagepalsusa.tripod.com > www.imagepals.net > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 18:00:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CMxOC17240; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:59:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:59:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.204.152] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1D05Gp4Ave-0001iC@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Musicians Wanted Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:56:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2005 22:57:00.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[29475ED0:01C51156] Resent-Message-ID: <2lGqRC.A.i0D.BooDCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How ,and on what the audience members focus attention is the crucial variable here.The difference is between direct and diffuse attention.Those who come for music direct attetnion to the stage more often ,those who came to eat ,drink socialize ,see and be seen less often.I've certainky been to music events where the audinece was very focused on the stage ,but not necessarily the music. So much of this has to do with where the eyes are directed,but one can hear without seeing. But what of the performer's attention.The standard show biz tricks HELLO CLEVELAND ,LET ME HERE YOU SAY,make the audience feel attended to.What do you do when the audience is applauding ?Do you fiddle with gear,or noodle on the notes of the next song,do you listen to the applause/Do you open yourself to it as you would a truly great piece of music and let it move you? An interesting approcach esp for improvisational music is for the performer(s) to pay very keen attention to the audience-but in a diffuse way.The idea is to really hear and feel the physical and emotional energy present in the room,or space the performer and audience share.,I think to the extent that one can feel the vibe and express music into that energy field in a way that moves with it the audience finds the music,true irresistable .like steering out of a fishtail when driving.If we really are attuned to these spectrums ,treating the visual as secondary,the audience will experience the music wether they pay attention or not. I opened for Fishbone once and they'd mastered this approach in a perverse way. Rock music that's meant to be annoying to parents( I know that's redundant ,but it is how certain styles work,now that I'm old enough to have teenagers maybe I could get rich by creating music that I hate)) becomes predictable and you can start to partially screen i out ,but Fishbone was so attuned that as soon as you would start to screen they would change and become more annoying.If they applied those skills to music designed to make you feel high they would be totally amazing.Anyway it's not the subjective aesthetic qualities that make this approach work.Perhaps it could be called Ambient Attention,yet another oxymoron. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 18:07:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CN5Ow18521; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:05:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:05:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.204.152] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050212224057.20989.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Musicians Wanted Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:04:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2005 23:05:01.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[47A79880:01C51157] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One solution to the problem of playing in bars is to not play bars.Has anyone done looping at a wedding? Art openings are a good possibility,though probably not lucrative unles you can move into the openings at museums,but that's definately possible. For me Festival gigs and college gigs are the best . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 18:14:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1CND3n19686; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:13:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:13:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <920B6124-7D4B-11D9-AF27-0030657377D0@telia.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: AW: Musicians Wanted Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:12:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've done looping at funerals Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-02-13 kl. 00.04 samba -: wrote > One solution to the problem of playing in bars is to not play > bars.Has anyone done looping at a wedding? Art openings are a good > possibility,though probably not lucrative unles you can move into the > openings at museums,but that's definately possible. For me Festival > gigs and college gigs are the best . > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 20:10:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1D18SY01612; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:08:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:08:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050212165623.04e20eb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:08:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp midi land In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:06 PM 2/10/2005, Jfloridis@aol.com wrote: >i am wondering if there is anyone who can point me in the direction of the >basics in midi controling the edp. i mean truly getting started. there is the EDP pedal tutorial on Looper's Delight: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html Also, the EDP+ manual: http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf >what i am trying to do presently, which is not working, is to control the >edp with a midi pedal i have from an ada mp1 guitar pre-amp. the ada unit >has a 7 pin jack and obviously the edp has 5. though the midi cord can >still go into a 7 pin jack, i am wondering if that prohibits it from being >able to control the edp. The old ADA pedal will not work at all for the Echoplex. It is way way way too limited. All it can do is send program change messages. You need a better pedal. >i know i have heard of the berringer pedal, and i'd be curious to know >what the general feeling is about it. i asked this a while back and did >not hear from anyone, so if there is anyone who has any helpful advice, it >would be appreciated. The behringer pedal has its minor issues, but it does work for controlling the Echoplex and it is easily available and inexpensive. I think there are a few obscure functions you can't do with it still, but a lot of people are using it happily. Other midi pedal options include the digitech PMC-10, Rocktron AllAccess, Lake-Butler Midigator RFC-1, Roland FC-200, Yamaha MFC-10. A lot of people complain about the roland and yamaha pedals, so you might stay away from those. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 20:35:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1D1Y5F05006; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:34:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:34:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c5116c$0794a750$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: looping and using monitors Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:33:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luis Angulo wrote: "I am having fun doing this thing lately last night i played in konstanz laying layers of rhythms i also graved an old cookie tray from the bar for a snare sound(a la ricko suave) with different instruments and then playing guitar on top with really low open tunigs fro a bassier sound,i did a version of "Walk on the wild side" man you should have seen the peoples faces bro!a girl kept coming up every 5 min. trying to see what was behind the monitor and how i was doing it and i just cracked up:-))then i went on to explain how i was doing it and people seem fascinated by it." Wow, what a wonderful gig it sounds like, Luis. This is one of those times that I wish I had a lost rich uncle to leave me a million bucks so I could just drop everything and jet in and play with you as a duo at your next gig in Konstanz (for those of you unfamiliar with it, Konstanz is one of the most beautiful towns in Southern Germany...........truly beautiful and untouched by World War 11's bombings, but that's another longer story). "I am doing congas with a small kanjira it sounds great but i want to get a good hand snare drum and maybe a small cymbal, what can you recomend me as a drummer?" Evans, by the way, puts out a portable conga that is just a head on a rim. It sounds fantastic as a conga and is so low profile that it's easy to throw it into the back of a rack case or guitar bag. Another trick I use is to use a piece of enclosed tupperware with a pitch shifter. You can layer several 'conga' parts really quickly just by switching the pitch of the pitch shifter---I use the cheesy and wonderful Vocal 300 by Digitech). Viz a vis a snare drum there are several cool simulations you can use short of actually buying a snare drum (which can be bulky to carry). One I love is to take a string of really large fake pearls (I use dagylo lime green ones but that's just me.......lol) and put them inside of a small frisbee that is made of the more brittle kind of plastic (as opposed to more rubbery plastic). With both hands, throw the beads in the air and catch them in the frisbee (turned upside down) and , VOILA!!!!!, a great trashy, white noise hip hop snare sound............again with a pitch shifter you can run the gamut with such a thing. Any kind of material strung up: beads, rattles, metal beads, chain of different thicknesses, etc. when thrown on wood or metal or plastic objects will cause a 'snarey' kind of sound. Otherwise, I bought an 8" 1970's fiberglass pearl drum and put piccolo snare hardware on it; bought 8" snare heads (custom ordered) and drilled out the bottom rim to accomodate the snare strands and have a wonderful lo profile rap snare that can sound like heavy metal when tuned down and played through a pitch shifter (are you getting how much I depend on my vocal 300?). Cymbals are more problematic because they take up so much territory and they can be quite costly. One thing to be on the lookout for is really cheap used (and sometimes terrible sounding cymbals), particularly cymbals that were designed for small children's toy drum kits. With some simple DSP processing, some of these cymbals can really come alive in a looping situation. You can play them on the bell with the tip of a drum stick or the body or you can hit the side of the cymbal with the middle of the drumstick to create really different textures. The beauty of looping is that you can take a really cheesy inexpensive kids cymbal (even a broken one discarded and sold for very little at a flea market) and do one loop of one technique, layer a second loop of a second technique, etc. and come up with a fascinating and quite idiosyncratic rhythm track. One thing I love to do along these lines with my Repeater is to mallet a cymbal continuously on one of my loops and then take the volume down to nothing on that track. Using the volume on the Repeater with my left hand and keeping my right hand on the mute button on the returned channel on the mixer you can swell the volume up and mute it own the downbeat to create really cool and controllable backwards cymbal sounds. You can also take all the bass off the channel and boost the treble when doing this to get a SHHHHHHHH sound and then immediately pump the bass and boost the midrange to get a SHHHHUUUUUUUUUSHHHHHH sound. This is a fun trick during 'breakdowns' in a track. Also, lot's of metal objects can easily double for cymbal or bell sounds. Stainless Steel mixing bowls make awesome gong and sound fantastic when reversed, especially if you've hit the edge of the bowl hard with your thumb or a mallet or stick. If you take wire wisks, they frequently have hollow stainless steel handles which if hit with another metal object sounds very much like a triangle which you can then dampen at will. Again, this shit sounds fantastic reversed. Add different modulation effects and other DSP processing and you can have a universe with a bunch of kitchen utensils that all fit in one stainless steel mixing bowl. You should have hear the fantastic German frame drummer, David Kuchermann and I playing steel mixing bowls as we walked around the poor parts of Nashville looking for junk shops to buy instruments in. It was really beautiful! Okay, now the ringing of acoustic multiple loops. I use the AKG C1000s with the hyper-hyper cartiod plastic focuser it comes with. It sounds fantastic but as long as there is open air monitoring you will get bleed. I think the solution is threefold: 1) don't use many acoustic loops and make sure you do your drum looping first........this is crucial so as not to bring in your guitar/bass/key sounds into the bleed into the mix or 2) buy radio shack wireless headphones for $70 USD and elimnate all your other onstage monitoring 3) buy costly in ear monitors. When I can't use my wireless headphones, I just keep my overdubs to a minimum. I hope this helps. Wish I could have seen you play, buddy. Hasta la looping, Carnal! rick ps the handsonic is really cool, but it lacks viscerality for my purposes and people get more joy out of watching you play physical objects. Tell that to looper Tom Roady, though, who does mind bogglingly beautiful things with his Handsonic drums and Zendrums. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 21:44:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1D2gOO14947; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:42:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:42:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=fIKYDQN2V1bxfipdN9eaFKgzXWhbsC6hXl5zVG1l2cJ34mhOW/diDYltNxMTjBSa; Message-ID: <410-22005201324935750@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tim's VF-1 lo-fi paradise?RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:49:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940fc13a588560c869e095a658cd2862c94350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go on, bring it up! It's a cool topic, but then I'm prejudiced, having started this string ;-) Effector13 is a cool co. Of course, I've already gone and spent money I didn't have on a cheap Boss VF-1, partly because of its lo-fi and vinyl-crackle features, neither of which I've had time to suss out yet. All I've had time to do is scroll through the presets that everybody has warned me about... the people are right... the presets are absolutely "twee," candy-assed, lifeless disco bullshit, nowhere near as cool as my MXR flange (which I will have to sell to justify this purchase) or as rich as my ancient RPS-10, BUT everyone sez that presets are only the beginning, and based on my experience with my Zoom multis I know this to be true. If Krispen luvs his VF-1, that's enough testimonial for me, dammit. I will give it a good listen, spend some time with it. Cheerios and Milk, Tim P.S.--Anyone ever deal with Darrell Barrett? > [Original Message] > From: phill wilson > To: > Date: 2/12/2005 8:32:52 AM > Subject: RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy > > Hi not wanting to revive a long dead subject but I found this and thougth It > was perfect for that the original poster wanted to do. > > its called the Effector 13 NO-Fi pedal > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22669&item=37808982 70&rd=1 > > PS its not me thats selling it. > > Phill > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 12 21:44:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1D2hVt15105; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:43:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:43:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=bRHb1CZh2UIhgimKkIRIlG9xkTXoRENf7qGurAlzZ2BsQ0avcZiBLCKz0kKkDptq; Message-ID: <410-22005201325057810@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: addendum to Tim's VF-1 blather RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:50:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940fc13a588560c869e97e8ba0bd1318160350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ..oops, I meant Darren Barrett, not Darrell.... trumpet player, Boston... > [Original Message] > From: phill wilson > To: > Date: 2/12/2005 8:32:52 AM > Subject: RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy > > Hi not wanting to revive a long dead subject but I found this and thougth It > was perfect for that the original poster wanted to do. > > its called the Effector 13 NO-Fi pedal > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22669&item=37808982 70&rd=1 > > PS its not me thats selling it. > > Phill > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 00:40:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1D5cuZ05363; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:38:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:38:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=WF77Dy+/qAd1kfPYJZcLBxmscqmYEh8E+odTLC0Dp1gycimSzaaEB3dkjXKuGrhchD72hej74HSN4825Kholvgi9zTit645D0tv2VKjtPYR6Vb0C2KeoiXn3ZtNDWFHx93SWvQcVOhU0iZJ9GRCLH6gXSla0fS4x52xjv/BesLA= ; Message-ID: <20050213053716.67703.qmail@web54410.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:37:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Jones Subject: Re: RC-20 Start up problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <86.21afbe96.2f3fbb8c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/12/05 10:44:26 AM, > jeryj9@yahoo.com writes: > > << the guide > flashes rapidly, the reverse comes on, and it says > all > the memory is full, which is also flashing. >> > > Hi > Any chance your memory is actually full? > :-) > I would try using a power supply instead of batts. > Then I would probably go through each of the 11 > phrase slots and hold down > the delete button to see if that clears the memory. > There may even be some sort of reset combination > like starting the unit while > holding down the delete button, I am not sure. > > Sounds fishy in any case. Might be warranty time if > you have one. > > > BobC > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 > > I already used it with a 9V power supply and it still does the same thing, interestingly enough it will still run my guitar to the amp fine, it just won't loop anything. even after it locks up it still runs my guitar. also the guide still works but the sound is glitchy, and plus the speed can't be adjusted. so now i'm more confused. i wish it was just the memory was full! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 03:26:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1D8P3I26851; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:25:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:25:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:48:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Musicians Wanted From: Are-Jay Hoffmann To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1D05Gp4Ave-0001iC@mrelay.perfora.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/12/05 2:57 PM, hazard factor at artists@hazardfactor.com wrote: > I tend to perform solo or with my band at many venues where the music is > not why people are there. Musicians are 'trained' that if you play and you > finish, people are supposed to clap, right? If not, at least a few people in > the audience either feel 'obligated' (that is what you are supposed to > do/that is what the performer expects) or they feel weird being the 'leader > of the clap' (that sounds obscene). > > Being that the music is 'ambient' (not a category, but an adjective), I skip > over this whole performer/audience obligation thingy and *never stop*. Well, > at least till the set is over. Then I stop, and don't wait for applause, I > turn the equipment off. If people like it, they will buy a cd. Or come and > say Hi. I know if I play badly, or if I am having a good night, and these > gigs don't lend themselves to this 'external validation' anyway. Most > musicians thrive on this, however, and maybe that is where the frustration > sets in- the 'look at me, even if I am not the reason you are here- LOOK AT > ME, DAMMIT! I am demanding some kind of acknowledgment that all this money > spent on all this equipment and time learning to use it and all those scales > and did you here that solo in the 3rd song and man, am I cool! Don't you > understand what I am doing?? This is all live!! Sheesh!' > > I am sure I have been there too, but it really sucks felling that way. > Interesting discussion. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > very interesting... when playing straight money gigs (or in situations when im not sure if anyone will notice what ive spent my life trying to perfect)...i like using the "Virtual Audience" technique for inspiring quality performances--- RECORD IT! whether a minidisc or an MBox- this insures that if you dash off one of the sweetest performances ever-- someone will hear it-- on your next record or a download you toss to the masses. this also gives you incentive to do yer best even though the payoff (feeling of worth) is put off to the future. the first time i heard the solo version of "Two Days Old" by the wonderful Michael Hedges, i was shocked to hear the thunderous applause at its finish. Hedges mastered the art of focused energy. sound quality/reverberation issues aside, i think its a good sign when its hard to tell if youre going nuts on stage or going nuts behind glass (hence the term "...but you should see 'em live"). obviously, the hardest thing in (looping) electronic music is capturing the energy of multiple humans playing together. listening to a studio recording of Canadian trio the New Deal makes me want to jump off the ceiling...quite a sweet DJ simulation. turns out the initial tracks are all live from the board--- then tweaked later. this also allows the energy from each dancer on the floor to contribute to the "feel". i know this is all obvious to the Loopers in this group, but i just got tired of lurking. im also attempting live-loop remixes of some of my former bands tunes. the notes/beats are no sweat-- but supplying the energy of the whole band is a challenge im to deep into to abandon at this point. cool topic. arge From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 06:00:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DAx3U16506; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:59:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:59:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=i5npWn9Myd1f0Mk7Ufh7gVqXDJAQV8Jj4Jfj8ChivUDawaYMIue3CJu/Azh5ZDAtyCOm5cBl7a8n5cymI2gbbteau7XYfuPlGmgT6WxhRXtShdod3e65jlWkacgYvtKowRSd1WU3mXqIKjN+Nhv9l4iGrXWcMVKKRPbahw5tvxE= ; Message-ID: <20050213105832.60605.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:58:32 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: Musicians Wanted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7ixSr.A.kwD.eLzDCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i hear you man,so far i ve looped at art expos,cultural gatherings and coffeshops which i love the only problem is that some of this gigs only happen twice a year around here and then they dont pay:-( For me is learning how to loop in a different way and getting to know how a main stream audience reacts to it, rather than sitting looking am my feet,rack efx and improvising which ive been doing so far.Recording object and hand instruments to build a groove,looping a riff on top,switching from part A to B,multiplying a passage to solo on top of it,going back to part A,doing a start stop break to throw a goofy solo and have the audience sing or clap along,doing hip hop stutters,recording a voice and singing harmony on top of it,fading it in and out,panning parts and doing all of this smooth without fucking up is proving to be a blast but also very very challenging!!But best of all i am starting tu use this loop devices to their full extent and realize why the engineers of this tools implemented all of this wonderful features!! Dont get me wrong,i played the irish pub still playing what i wanted, got paid well,got free guiness beer,free food and got away with looping yes, yes, yes! Now if i get the girls i know ive mastered it...:-) Luis --- samba - wrote: > One solution to the problem of playing in bars is > to not play bars.Has > anyone done looping at a wedding? Art openings are a > good possibility,though > probably not lucrative unles you can move into the > openings at museums,but > that's definately possible. For me Festival gigs and > college gigs are the > best . > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 06:42:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DBeQ621045; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:40:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:40:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.202.162] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <920B6124-7D4B-11D9-AF27-0030657377D0@telia.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Musicians Wanted Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:39:09 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2005 11:40:01.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[C08BFD40:01C511C0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looping at a Funeral.That's wonderfull.Did you record it? I've always wanted to play a funeral.I really like the idea of using music to help evoke the emotion of important things in life. I went top a real New Orleans funeral once which was really well done,The slow dirge going to the cemetary,was really a dirge the rythm was perfect the melody ,really mounful etc. And the up music coming back was some of the most alive music I've ever experienced. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 09:17:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DEFhQ09228; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:15:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:15:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <83.21302bc2.2f40bac2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:14:26 EST Subject: Re: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I missed the beginning of the Bonzo thread... could anyone email me that url; I'd love to hear this boot. best Robby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 10:34:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DFWnb18332; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:32:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:32:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <712B8469-7DD4-11D9-B31D-0030657377D0@telia.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: AW: Musicians Wanted Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:32:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <393_g.A.ddE.DM3DCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No never recorded it. It didn't feel ok to do so , but it had a huge emotional impact on me everytime. Gunnar Backman > Looping at a Funeral.That's wonderfull.Did you record it? I've always > wanted to play a funeral.I really like the idea of using music to help > evoke the emotion of important things in life. I went top a real New > Orleans funeral once which was really well done,The slow dirge going > to the cemetary,was really a dirge the rythm was perfect the melody > ,really mounful etc. And the up music coming back was some of the most > alive music I've ever experienced. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 11:15:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DGDgA24556; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:13:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:13:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <64780e5413aac175cede298d88416f12@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: RE: Musicians Wanted Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:13:04 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed9fc7dd1063b3229a4da7fe739e4ee98f5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.5.224 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's nothing inherently avant-garde about looping. To paraphrase David Torn, it's your playing--just more of it. If you're an "avant garde" musician, then adding a looper to the mix will probably produce...more avant garde music. This list however is certainly skewed towards people with left of center musical tastes which can yield the not entirely correct impression that looping=non-popular music. "Party time super fun" may be a little out there, at least until ABBA reforms with a Electrix sponsorship (although I've always wondered if the vocal rhythm track for "Take A Chance On Me" was a tape loop or if they sang it all the way through), but there are examples of non-avant garde looping music that appeals to non-musicians looking for an evening's entertainment. Phil Keaggy, Joseph Arthur, Pierre Bensusan, and Jon Brion come to mind. Or, on a local level, myself. None of the artists in question bill themselves as "looping musicians playing looping music", it's just a tool they use. The audience, by and large, doesn't care if you're using a looper--they just want to experience something beautiful. TravisH From: "L. Angulo" Date: February 12, 2005 2:49:45 PM PST To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Musicians Wanted --- Chris Kline wrote: > Uh, yeah...the problem with the big boobs screamy > girls is it would > probably detract from attention any looping artist > would get. I don't > know of any party-time super-fun loopers who make > the girls mewl like > starving kittens. Looping tends to be avant-garde. > Prove me wrong > here...are there some light-hearted entertainment > types who loop heavily > out there? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 11:23:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DGLU625448; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:21:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:21:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=JCqDsBk3lSRNfeCuNNutXMVNUrYfHPr3perTR6VR1CJIyGf7h2y3X0ANLKr+LbxRZ8Zunp1DooFa7ZoOKf7UkTmXGvHiq+177SeTFNct2mMrhj1/dm8RCAAA3XhSD4v9O1Pg7aOMGAkc/Mc4cCPnWxRx7C4MksCMEGMmSxItJ9A= ; Message-ID: <20050213162004.24693.qmail@web50410.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:20:03 -0800 (PST) From: Devin Smith Subject: re: tape looping/tape delay KLANGUMWANDLER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-422976526-1108311603=:22815" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-422976526-1108311603=:22815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks Stephen for the post about the "klangumwanler." I appreciate you chiming in, particularly because I had seen a picture of one of these in a book ("How Things Work," a sort of multi-volume scientific encyclopedia published in the 60's some time), where it was described (though not named) as a device used to alter the pitch of a sound without altering its playback speed. I had a bit of trouble understanding how that might work. And since they didn't really give any more information than that, I figured it a dead relic of the tape music days, something that maybe never worked quite right anyway, or was way to expensive/hard to build. I would really appreciate some more info anybody out there has any. The only stuff I seem to turn up on google is lots of Wendy Carlos stuff and a few very casual mentionings of the work klangumwandler. Do you think this would be tricky to build? The one I saw in "How Things Work" looked like a detachable or retrofit unit. It seems that one would have to come up with some kind of a circular "railroad track" kind of brush that the contacts for head could ride in, otherwise, your wires would be twisting around with the 4 tape heads, and would snap pretty quickly. This is the same problem I ran into when I was trying to build my own leslie speaker years back. Everything was simple enough but the contacts for the speaker that actually spins. I wound up just pirating a cheapy foam-baffle leslie out of a Thomas organ and building a box for it. It does sound good, but not quite the real thing. Anyway, back to tape music stuff, any info out there would be much appreciated. In particular, I would like to know sort of what it sounds like. Any recordings to check out with obvious klangumwandler usage. If this thing is as cool as it sounds, though, I would love to build such a device. I am hoping not to simply build a cut and dry delay machine, but something a bit different, drawing from different sources and musical posibilities. It would be great to have a combination tape delay/looper/klangumwandler/reverb box. Another idea I had, (more along the lines of pipe dreams) would be to build a small keyboard controller for the motor speed of the unit. I remember reading about one design that used kind of a derralieur system or maybe belt drive with ramped tensioning sprockets (ala continuously variable transmission) to change pitch/speed of a tape machine at music intervals. I thought motor speed would be easier to manipulate, but alas, there is probably not enough workable voltage range to be able to get much more than an octave or so. Of course, it would be monophonic too, unless you looped it! -Devin --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! 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Thanks Stephen for the post about the "klangumwanler." I appreciate you chiming in, particularly because I had seen a picture of one of these in a book ("How Things Work," a sort of multi-volume scientific encyclopedia published in the 60's some time), where it was described (though not named) as a device used to alter the pitch of a sound without altering its playback speed. I had a bit of trouble understanding how that might work. And since they didn't really give any more information than that, I figured it a dead relic of the tape music days, something that maybe never worked quite right anyway, or was way to expensive/hard to build.
 
I would really appreciate some more info anybody out there has any. The only stuff I seem to turn up on google is lots of Wendy Carlos stuff and a few very casual mentionings of the work klangumwandler. Do you think this would be tricky to build? The one I saw in "How Things Work" looked like a detachable or retrofit unit. It seems that one would have to come up with some kind of a circular "railroad track" kind of brush that the contacts for head could ride in, otherwise, your wires would be twisting around with the 4 tape heads, and would snap pretty quickly. This is the same problem I ran into when I was trying to build my own leslie speaker years back. Everything was simple enough but the contacts for the speaker that actually spins. I wound up just pirating a cheapy foam-baffle leslie out of a Thomas organ and building a box for it. It does sound good, but not quite the real thing.
 
Anyway, back to tape music stuff, any info out there would be much appreciated. In particular, I would like to know sort of what it sounds like. Any recordings to check out with obvious klangumwandler usage. If this thing is as cool as it sounds, though, I would love to build such a device. I am hoping not to simply build a cut and dry delay machine, but something a bit different, drawing from different sources and musical posibilities. It would be great to have a combination tape delay/looper/klangumwandler/reverb box.
 
Another idea I had, (more along the lines of pipe dreams) would be to build a small keyboard controller for the motor speed of the unit. I remember reading about one design that used kind of a derralieur system or maybe belt drive with ramped tensioning sprockets (ala continuously variable transmission) to change pitch/speed of a tape machine at music intervals. I thought motor speed would be easier to manipulate, but alas, there is probably not enough workable voltage range to be able to get much more than an octave or so. Of course, it would be monophonic too, unless you looped it!
-Devin

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Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. --0-422976526-1108311603=:22815-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 11:36:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DGZZ727145; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:35:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:35:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <29a8a096aea26645d3da28e01ac68b39@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Harrison Subject: Boss DD-20 resources/tips? Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:35:11 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3mLhpC.A.nnG.BH4DCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone out there got any good suggestions about info/resources for using the Boss DD-20? kevin harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 11:50:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DGnEN29138; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:49:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:49:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=lBkgBg9uhOmrbHxuq7OQCileM7RFmRmuKV8g1jMVWg6GprrwmkmgQMG0xVQutIIVIb8KvLsetPdPKEKNQsQOK7xX8SYeq759sbMygXfn/oCM7H9Ef75gVVkY9uxjqOzesEwYUgzTphMiXWuDYlqoBMQMy5+nQnWiXNoV2QMjChA= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:48:54 -0800 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: John Bonham drum trax - MP3s In-Reply-To: <83.21302bc2.2f40bac2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <83.21302bc2.2f40bac2@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.disndat.info/bonham/ On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:15:05 -0800 (PST), RA336@aol.com wrote: > I missed the beginning of the Bonzo thread... could anyone email me that url; > I'd love to hear this boot. > best > Robby > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 12:17:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DHGOJ01078; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:16:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:16:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.576e824e.2f40e54d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:15:57 EST Subject: Re: looping and using monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12c.576e824e.2f40e54d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <2BM23C.A._P.Xt4DCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12c.576e824e.2f40e54d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/05 8:33:55 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > take wire wisks > once saw a show where a fellow played a wisk, he had a piezo pickup that he placed on it.....a vast aray of sounds were made.....he had a "whammy" pedal and some type of delay.....talk about the ideal small kit!.....great ideas rickie.....danka-roo! --part1_12c.576e824e.2f40e54d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/12/05 8:33:55 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


take wire wisks


once saw a show where a fellow played a wisk, he had a piezo pickup that he=20= placed on it.....a vast aray of sounds were made.....he had a "whammy" pedal= and some type of delay.....talk about the ideal small kit!.....great ideas=20= rickie.....danka-roo! --part1_12c.576e824e.2f40e54d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 13:16:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DIEVv10671; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:14:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:14:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <420F98DB.2050309@Verizon.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:13:47 -0500 From: Dan Ash User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping and using monitors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [162.84.131.78] at Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:13:49 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> i want to get a good hand snare drum Rhythm Tech makes a cool and very portable snare - the Laptop. Basically a pretensioned head on a rim with an enclosed snare attached. A sturdy case comes with it, too. I keep one of these and a shaker with my acoustic guitar gig bag for when I need to enlist audience participation. http://www.rhythmtech.com/products/drums/laptop.html Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 16:06:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DL4lD03050; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:04:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:04:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=i1xQHCpoycw8w1fk0+Kbum1SEVz1EmYdje3/IjrhM504QhTLUDjyy5xf8Ab/JKY/lKg/OLzkRiwixRWBWba1Zto+Sjaidvtd3ktyPo93a3nSSOxuGoXNKEj+jpcQXvI0OXra0MYYHKXDlYX8ys6VpUUl+eul03hRhZSmJlSQ9As= ; Message-ID: <20050213210309.32509.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:03:09 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: looping and using monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <420F98DB.2050309@Verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com excellent thanx Dan! cheers Luis --- Dan Ash wrote: > >> i want to get a good hand snare drum > > Rhythm Tech makes a cool and very portable snare - > the Laptop. > Basically a pretensioned head on a rim with an > enclosed snare attached. > A sturdy case comes with it, too. I keep one of > these and a shaker > with my acoustic guitar gig bag for when I need to > enlist audience > participation. > > http://www.rhythmtech.com/products/drums/laptop.html > > Dan Ash > White Plains, NY > > > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 16:06:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DL4St02926; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:04:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:04:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Tim's VF-1 lo-fi paradise?RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:04:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <410-22005201324935750@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok I'll chime in on this one, again, The VF1 rocks, I bought one online last year to have something small and powerfull for traveling. It has good amp modeling and a smorgasbord of effects, and has a lot of flexibility for real time control. its a shame they were discontinued a few years back, but I'm sure they figured that everyone wanted a foot pedal style multi effect box. The beauty of the VF1 is it has algorithms for guitar, acoustic guitar, bass guitar, keyboards and vocals, so it can cover a lot of basses. Like every other multi effect that Boss makes, the VF1 comes loaded with presets that leave a bit to be desired (like the 5150, Van Halenesque shred preset, yuck!). But for me it passed the litmus test of providing a decent black face clean tone, a respectable Vox tone, and a good overdriven lead tone that is not so saturated it looses dynamic range. You just have to work at dialing the sound in. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tim's VF-1 lo-fi paradise?RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy Go on, bring it up! It's a cool topic, but then I'm prejudiced, having started this string ;-) Effector13 is a cool co. Of course, I've already gone and spent money I didn't have on a cheap Boss VF-1, partly because of its lo-fi and vinyl-crackle features, neither of which I've had time to suss out yet. All I've had time to do is scroll through the presets that everybody has warned me about... the people are right... the presets are absolutely "twee," candy-assed, lifeless disco bullshit, nowhere near as cool as my MXR flange (which I will have to sell to justify this purchase) or as rich as my ancient RPS-10, BUT everyone sez that presets are only the beginning, and based on my experience with my Zoom multis I know this to be true. If Krispen luvs his VF-1, that's enough testimonial for me, dammit. I will give it a good listen, spend some time with it. Cheerios and Milk, Tim P.S.--Anyone ever deal with Darrell Barrett? > [Original Message] > From: phill wilson > To: > Date: 2/12/2005 8:32:52 AM > Subject: RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy > > Hi not wanting to revive a long dead subject but I found this and thougth It > was perfect for that the original poster wanted to do. > > its called the Effector 13 NO-Fi pedal > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22669&item=37808982 70&rd=1 > > PS its not me thats selling it. > > Phill > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 16:23:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DLLEF05411; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:21:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:21:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Your Thoughts on Look-Ahead Peak Limiting and Mastering, Threshold settings, etc Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:19:44 -0700 Message-ID: <008a01c51211$bd47a3e0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 83, in=168, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I just received my Alesis Masterlink ML-9600 and I absolutely love this unit. It is a dream come true for live recording and archiving...especially so because I can burn CDs of my performance right there on stage from the unit's hard drive. The recording quality is immaculate and I really like the DSP, non-destructive editing features. Anyway, I'd like some feedback from some of the other sound engineers out there. I understand compression and limiting reasonably well (the mathematics of compression, ratios, etc) and use it frequently in both live and recording/sound engineering contexts. However, this Mastelink has a "look-ahead peak limiting" function, which as the manual says, is "designed to give you the ability to limit the highest peaks in a Track and simultaneously bring up the gain of the Track in order to maximize its level before creating a CD." After messing around with this, I am very pleased with the results, but I'd like some thoughts what others are using for output and threshold levels. First of all, I'm targeting -3db or -4db as my max. output level, which is pretty much industry standard these days for CDs, 16 bit, and 44.1K. Right now, I have the output of the look-ahead peak limiter set to -4db and my threshold is set to -3db. This seems to work well. Based on some guidelines I've seen for limiters, threshold is typically set at the max. desired output, and output perhaps just a sliver below this max. output, which is what I've done here. I could have set both the same as well. What are some of you, who do your own mastering, using for limiting setting guidelines? Better yet, if you are using a look-ahead limiter, what setting guidelines or rules of thumb are you using for that? For you techies, I've copied the manual description of this function below, so you can how it works differently than a traditional limiter or compressor. It's almost like a limiter, expander, and compressor all wrapped up into one function. I can't seem to fine any good guidelines on the web either, regarding look ahead peak limiting. This functions seems quite a bit more sophisticated than standard compression or limiting. ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm 5.4C DSP3:LOOK-AHEAD PEAK LIMITER The Look-Ahead Peak Limiter is designed to give you the ability to limit the highest peaks in a Track and simultaneously bring up the gain of the Track in order to maximize its level before creating a CD. This allows you to "squeeze" that extra couple of decibels out of the dynamic range, without squashing your audio by hard compression or traditional limiting. The limiter in the ML-9600 is very different than a traditional limiter, which is typically thought of as a compressor with a high ratio setting. By virtue of all-digital processing, the limiter is able to "look ahead" in time to see audio level peaks. This allows the limiter to begin smoothly reducing the gain of the audio so that when the peak does occur, it is limited to the desired value. In essence, the limiter becomes a "perfect" limiter or one capable of attaining an infinity-to-one gain reduction ratio. Another difference from a traditional limiter is that the "make-up" gain is automatically applied as a function of the threshold level. This allows the limiter to act as a "maximizer", enabling you to bring your Tracks very close to the maximum level allowed without clipping. The final difference in this limiter is that the final output level can be fixed as a function of full-scale; i.e. the limiter has infinity-to-one compression ratio with an extra gain stage at its output. This allows you to decide what the peak output value of the audio will be (-0.2dBFS, for instance). The Look-ahead peak limiter is perhaps best thought of as three discrete gain blocks: . The first gain block is dynamically adjusted so that its output level never exceeds the threshold level (the "perfect" limiter). . The second gain block adds make-up gain to the signal equal and opposite to the threshold value (a threshold value of -10dBFS would have 10dB of make-up gain applied). . The third gain block is a "scaling" gain block; it allows you to select the exact maximum output level (as a function of full-scale). If this gain block were not there, the automatic make-up gain would cause all signals that reached the threshold to equal 0dBFS. There are only three parameters in the limiter DSP block, so it is extremely easy to set up and use. A detailed look at each of the parameters follows. Threshold The Threshold parameter of the limiter sets the maximum output level from the first gain stage. No gain reduction is applied as the signal level approaches the threshold, but once it does, the limiter holds the output of that stage to the threshold value. Make-up gain is applied to the audio after it has been limited to the threshold value, so if audio is playing while the threshold parameter is adjusted downward, the output audio will appear to get louder. The threshold parameter is adjustable from - 0dBFS to -65dBFS in 0.5dB increments. Output Level The Output Level parameter sets the absolute maximum output level from the limiter, as a function of full-scale. A value of -0.1dB will limit the output audio to no greater than -0.1dBFS, regardless of input level or threshold setting. The output level parameter is adjustable from 0dBFS to -65dBFS in 0.1dB increments. Release The release parameter functions exactly like its counterpart in the compressor; it controls how long gain reduction is applied to the audio after the input signal drops below the threshold. Release is adjustable from 0 microseconds to 9.9 seconds. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 16:34:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DLWN306989; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:32:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:32:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=s02blGUqRFBe4l/XOv11aX97xJmxpWEZbnBvy8OoPkWDQFcMKUJGbhkzF0N3R6X+TKpELto63O8R35Bvv9G4/bj8JUVfFOrOzg4jVcNvgJlId9dTIX3Q2P8bS9HtMb9vdZ52s4mKbpvFGtS/RlnE5+TB9ZjIDLALnr1+of6hSC4= ; Message-ID: <20050213213147.35508.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:31:47 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: looping and using monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002601c5116c$0794a750$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanx Rick! yes ive been in fact hitting the guitar body while using pitch shifter to get a tabla sound which works ok.But the canjira is so versatile i wet the skin a little bit and pressing the skin while playing it i can get tabla ,conga talking drum sounds is just a great compact hand drum! My conga player also uses a very tiny cymbal because he plays timbales as well attatched to his congas so i might check them out. cheer bro luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Luis Angulo wrote: > "I am having fun doing this thing lately last night > i > played in konstanz laying layers of rhythms i also > graved an old cookie tray from the bar for a snare > sound(a la ricko suave) with different instruments > and > then playing guitar on top with really low open > tunigs > fro a bassier sound,i did a version of "Walk on the > wild side" man you should have seen the peoples > faces > bro!a girl kept coming up every 5 min. trying to see > what was behind the monitor and how i was doing it > and > i just cracked up:-))then i went on to explain how i > was doing it and people seem fascinated by it." > > Wow, what a wonderful gig it sounds like, Luis. > This is one of those > times that I wish I had a lost rich uncle to leave > me a million > bucks so I could just drop everything and jet in and > play with you as a duo > at your next gig in Konstanz (for those of you > unfamiliar with it, Konstanz > is one of the most beautiful towns in Southern > Germany...........truly > beautiful and untouched by World War 11's bombings, > but that's another > longer story). > > "I am doing congas with a small kanjira it sounds > great but > i want to get a good hand snare drum and maybe a > small > cymbal, what can you recomend me as a drummer?" > > Evans, by the way, puts out a portable conga that is > just a head on a rim. > It sounds fantastic as a conga and is so low profile > that it's easy to > throw it into the back of a rack case or guitar bag. > Another trick I use > is to use a piece of enclosed tupperware with a > pitch shifter. You can > layer several 'conga' parts really quickly just by > switching the pitch of > the pitch shifter---I use the cheesy and wonderful > Vocal 300 by Digitech). > > Viz a vis a snare drum there are several cool > simulations you can use short > of actually buying a snare drum (which can be bulky > to carry). > One I love is to take a string of really large fake > pearls (I use dagylo > lime green ones but that's just me.......lol) and > put them inside of a small > frisbee that is made of the more brittle kind of > plastic (as opposed to more > rubbery plastic). With both hands, throw the beads > in the air and catch > them in the frisbee (turned upside down) and , > VOILA!!!!!, a great trashy, > white noise hip hop snare sound............again > with a pitch shifter you > can run the gamut with such a thing. Any kind of > material strung up: > beads, rattles, metal beads, chain of different > thicknesses, etc. > when thrown on wood or metal or plastic objects will > cause a 'snarey' kind > of sound. > > Otherwise, I bought an 8" 1970's fiberglass pearl > drum and put piccolo > snare hardware on it; bought 8" snare heads (custom > ordered) and > drilled out the bottom rim to accomodate the snare > strands and have a > wonderful lo profile rap snare that can sound like > heavy metal when tuned > down and played through a pitch shifter (are you > getting how much I depend > on my vocal 300?). > > Cymbals are more problematic because they take up so > much territory and they > can be quite costly. > One thing to be on the lookout for is really cheap > used (and sometimes > terrible sounding cymbals), particularly cymbals > that were designed for > small children's toy drum kits. With some simple > DSP processing, some of > these cymbals can really come alive in a looping > situation. > You can play them on the bell with the tip of a drum > stick or the body or > you can hit the side of the cymbal with the middle > of the drumstick > to create really different textures. > > The beauty of looping is that you can take a really > cheesy inexpensive kids > cymbal (even a broken one discarded and sold for > very little at a flea > market) and do one loop of one technique, layer a > second loop of a second > technique, etc. and come up with a fascinating and > quite idiosyncratic > rhythm track. > One thing I love to do along these lines with my > Repeater is to mallet a > cymbal continuously on one of my loops and then > take the volume down to nothing on that track. > Using the volume on the > Repeater with my left hand and keeping my right hand > on the mute button on > the returned channel on the mixer you can swell the > volume up and mute it > own the downbeat to create really cool and > controllable > backwards cymbal sounds. You can also take all the > bass off the channel > and boost the treble when doing this to get a > SHHHHHHHH sound and then immediately pump the bass > and boost the midrange to > get a SHHHHUUUUUUUUUSHHHHHH sound. > This is a fun trick during 'breakdowns' in a track. > > Also, lot's of metal objects can easily double for > cymbal or bell sounds. > Stainless Steel mixing bowls make awesome gong and > sound fantastic when > reversed, especially if you've hit the edge of the > bowl hard with your thumb > or a mallet or stick. > If you take wire wisks, they frequently have hollow > stainless steel handles > which if hit with another metal object sounds very > much like a triangle > which you can then dampen at will. Again, this > shit sounds fantastic > reversed. > > Add different modulation effects and other DSP > processing and you can have a > universe with a bunch of kitchen utensils that all > fit in one stainless > steel mixing bowl. You should have hear the > fantastic German frame > drummer, David Kuchermann and I playing steel > mixing bowls as we walked > around the poor parts of Nashville looking for junk > shops to buy instruments > in. It was really beautiful! > > Okay, now the ringing of acoustic multiple loops. > > I use the AKG C1000s with the hyper-hyper cartiod > plastic focuser it comes > with. It sounds fantastic but as long as there is > open air monitoring you > will get bleed. > I think the solution is threefold: > > 1) don't use many acoustic loops and make sure you > do your drum looping > first........this is crucial so as not to bring in > your guitar/bass/key > sounds into the bleed into the mix > or > 2) buy radio shack wireless headphones for $70 USD > and elimnate all your > other onstage monitoring > 3) buy costly in ear monitors. > > When I can't use my wireless headphones, I just keep > my overdubs to a > minimum. > > I hope this helps. Wish I could have seen you play, > buddy. Hasta la > looping, Carnal! > > rick > > > > ps the handsonic is really cool, but it lacks > viscerality for my purposes > and people get more joy out of watching you play > physical objects. > Tell that to looper Tom Roady, though, who does mind > bogglingly beautiful > things with his Handsonic drums and Zendrums. > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 16:54:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DLru710010; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:53:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:53:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Musicians Wanted (mannequins only please) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:53:08 -0700 Message-ID: <008d01c51216$67ee5420$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 82, in=188, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always thought it would be fun to put three or four mannequins in the audience sitting in chairs, where you could press a button that would generate canned applause and chatter. In fact, one of these days I'd like to create a really off the wall, avant-garde CD titled "standing room only", and the CD would be me playing on a small stage in a restaurant or coffee shop with nothing but mannequins in all the chairs....sort of depicts the attitude I had toward performances and audience turn-out about seven years ago when I was playing in an avant-garde jazz trio (guitar-drums-bass). The more people that showed up, the more disappointed I became, because it made me feel that my music was becoming more popular, appealing to the common musical listeners' pallet, and down-graded to the common denominator. Essentially, I wanted to be interpreted as so un-popular, that only a few esoteric listeners would come to my shows and focus intently on the ludicrous obscurity and opacity of my music. :) I've actually performed some music that was so off the wall that when people applauded, it sort of insulted me as if they clapping just for the sake of clapping. On stage, I tend to be self-conscious, hate to talk, don't make a lot of eye contact, remain self-absorbed, etc. I'm sort of a contradiction, however...I like the attention from an artistic recognition standpoint, but I hate being the center of attention. I want people to listen to and focus on my music, but I don't when them to express this en mass...I'd rather have individuals come up to me and compliment or comment on my music. Then again, if I were playing to a very large audience in a show-case context, and no one applauded, that might seem sort of weird. Incidentally, Miles Davis used to scold his audiences for clapping after solos in performances. And I've seen jazz soloists, who were second in line in the solo routine, start to play, pause until the audience noise settled, and then start their solo again. If you can pull it off (I do this once in a while), just play non-stop for a whole set with no pauses between songs...I find this to be easy with looping, because you can let your loops fade out and start playing the intro of the next song. In other words, don't give them the opportunity to applaud! Anyway, interesting topic here... ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: Are-Jay Hoffmann [mailto:fretless808@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 1:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Musicians Wanted on 2/12/05 2:57 PM, hazard factor at artists@hazardfactor.com wrote: > I tend to perform solo or with my band at many venues where the music > is not why people are there. Musicians are 'trained' that if you play > and you finish, people are supposed to clap, right? If not, at least a > few people in the audience either feel 'obligated' (that is what you > are supposed to do/that is what the performer expects) or they feel > weird being the 'leader of the clap' (that sounds obscene). > > Being that the music is 'ambient' (not a category, but an adjective), > I skip over this whole performer/audience obligation thingy and *never > stop*. Well, at least till the set is over. Then I stop, and don't > wait for applause, I turn the equipment off. If people like it, they > will buy a cd. Or come and say Hi. I know if I play badly, or if I am > having a good night, and these gigs don't lend themselves to this > 'external validation' anyway. Most musicians thrive on this, however, > and maybe that is where the frustration sets in- the 'look at me, even > if I am not the reason you are here- LOOK AT ME, DAMMIT! I am > demanding some kind of acknowledgment that all this money spent on all > this equipment and time learning to use it and all those scales and > did you here that solo in the 3rd song and man, am I cool! Don't you > understand what I am doing?? This is all live!! Sheesh!' > > I am sure I have been there too, but it really sucks felling that way. > Interesting discussion. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > very interesting... when playing straight money gigs (or in situations when im not sure if anyone will notice what ive spent my life trying to perfect)...i like using the "Virtual Audience" technique for inspiring quality performances--- RECORD IT! whether a minidisc or an MBox- this insures that if you dash off one of the sweetest performances ever-- someone will hear it-- on your next record or a download you toss to the masses. this also gives you incentive to do yer best even though the payoff (feeling of worth) is put off to the future. the first time i heard the solo version of "Two Days Old" by the wonderful Michael Hedges, i was shocked to hear the thunderous applause at its finish. Hedges mastered the art of focused energy. sound quality/reverberation issues aside, i think its a good sign when its hard to tell if youre going nuts on stage or going nuts behind glass (hence the term "...but you should see 'em live"). obviously, the hardest thing in (looping) electronic music is capturing the energy of multiple humans playing together. listening to a studio recording of Canadian trio the New Deal makes me want to jump off the ceiling...quite a sweet DJ simulation. turns out the initial tracks are all live from the board--- then tweaked later. this also allows the energy from each dancer on the floor to contribute to the "feel". i know this is all obvious to the Loopers in this group, but i just got tired of lurking. im also attempting live-loop remixes of some of my former bands tunes. the notes/beats are no sweat-- but supplying the energy of the whole band is a challenge im to deep into to abandon at this point. cool topic. arge From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 17:14:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1DMCpc13839; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:12:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:12:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c51219$dcd8b840$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D9F@lon-oxmail02> Subject: Cool music alert: Battles - EP C Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:17:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01C511EF.F35AD780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.203.113] at Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:11:17 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C511EF.F35AD780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT ELP/JP f(rip)pI know I'm always on the look-out for new music = that captures my imagination. =20 I just picked up a CD by a band called "Battles" called EP C Very cool, modern instrumentals from a rock band format. They use a lot = of looping motifs. Tyondai Braxton David Konopka John Stanier Ian Williams www.bttls.com Over to you. David ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C511EF.F35AD780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p
I know I'm always = on the=20 look-out for new music that captures my imagination. =20
 
I just picked up a = CD by a band=20 called "Battles" called EP C
 
Very cool, modern = instrumentals=20 from a rock band format.  They use a lot of looping=20 motifs.
 
Tyondai=20 Braxton
David=20 Konopka
John=20 Stanier
Ian=20 Williams
 
www.bttls.com
 
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David
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C511EF.F35AD780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 19:44:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1E0gaB03240; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:42:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:42:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050213163639.06977a00@loopers-delight.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:42:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP SYNC Issues In-Reply-To: <420A977A.5090003@cabq.gov> References: <200502092120.j19LKwe21695@hemlock.violacea.com> <420A977A.5090003@cabq.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:06 PM 2/9/2005, Jason Fink wrote: > I have recently begun to sync my EDP with my comrades midi clock. great! > It seems to work very well for a short period of time, then at some point > when I press 'RECORD', instead of begining to record, I get 3 zeros on the > display for a few seconds before commencing to record. Therefore it is > not capturing the beginning of my loop (although it does play the chopped > loop completly in sync). It is quantizing the beginning of the Recording to the downbeat defined by the midi clock. This is either because you are using LoopIII version of the EDP software, and that is the way it always works. Or you are using LoopIV software and you have Quantize turned on. With LoopIV you can also use sync without quantize, which allows you the freedom to start recording at any time, and when you end recording it rounds off to the correct length and keeps you in sync. This is nice for music that may start without an obvious downbeat, or where you don't want to be aligned to downbeat of the measure. It sounds like this is what you are wanting to do. > A soon as I unplug the midi cable from the EDP, 'Record' goes back to > functioning > as I expect it should. Plug it back in, the 3 zeros appear upon > pressing 'Record'. > Powering down the unit does not seem to help during the same session >(although > when I return the following week it does work properly for a short time, > afterwhich > the same old behavior returns). Yes, that is normal. When it recognizes that sync signals are present, it begins syncing. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 20:00:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1E0wcs05764; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:58:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:58:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <99.5807bc6d.2f4151a2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:58:10 EST Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 resources/tips? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_99.5807bc6d.2f4151a2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_99.5807bc6d.2f4151a2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin, 02/13/05 8:35:22, harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk writes: > Anyone out there got any good suggestions about info/resources for > using the Boss DD-20? >=20 Suggestion: One of my favorite basic things to do with a DD-20 was to=20 set the first delay to 1250 milliseconds, the next to 5 seconds, the one after that to 10 seconds, the next to 20 seconds -- all with near 100% regeneration/feedback. The first one lets you set up a 4 count beat for=20 the second one for a basic rhythmic figure of some sort. The others let you stretch out and play some longer phrases over that and evolve a bit.=20 The 5th and last delay preset slot I set up to a shorter 5- or 10-second=20 delay again but with 70-80% feedback so I can "fade out" smoothly and=20 naturally . . . or possibly introduce some weird reverse effect or something= .=20 Not all that creative but useful for a lot of solo looping situations. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_99.5807bc6d.2f4151a2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin,

02/13/05 8:35:22, harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk writes:

Anyone out there got a= ny good suggestions about info/resources for
using the Boss DD-20?

Suggestion: One of my favorite basic things to do with a DD-20 was to
set the first delay to 1250 milliseconds, the next to 5 seconds, the one
after that to 10 seconds, the next to 20 seconds -- all with near 100%
regeneration/feedback. The first one lets you set up a 4 count beat for
the second one for a basic rhythmic figure of some sort. The others let
you stretch out and play some longer phrases over that and evolve a bit. The 5th and last delay preset slot I set up to a shorter 5- or 10-second delay again but with 70-80% feedback so I can "fade out" smoothly and
naturally . . . or possibly introduce some weird reverse effect or something= .
Not all that creative but useful for a lot of solo looping situations.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_99.5807bc6d.2f4151a2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 21:22:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1E2K1Z20322; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:20:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:20:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:19:23 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 resources/tips? To: Kevin Harrison , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002e01c5123b$9ebbb7c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <29a8a096aea26645d3da28e01ac68b39@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As always, the Boss instruction manual barely explains what's up with this powerful little box. But my immediate sense is that much of what it does is self evident. Tune up, turn on, plug in, wiggle knobs, wig out. dB, coyote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Harrison" To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Boss DD-20 resources/tips? > Anyone out there got any good suggestions about info/resources for > using the Boss DD-20? > > kevin > > harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 21:32:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1E2UGQ21801; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:30:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:30:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1e1.35d1b2ac.2f41670d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:29:33 EST Subject: Re: RC-20 Start up problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/12/05 9:37:46 PM, jeryj9@yahoo.com writes: << it just won't loop anything. >> I guess I would then try: Starting up the unit while holding the Exit button down. Starting up the unit while holding both the Reverse button and the Exit button down. Starting up the unit while holding both the Write and Exit buttons down. If still no positive change I would use the warranty and send it in for repair. If I bought it used I would open it up and look at the guts and poke around. There may even be a Boss User Forum somewhere that has some tips on tinkering with the insides. BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 21:33:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1E2VrQ22145; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:31:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:31:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Cool music alert: Battles - EP C Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:29:01 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c5123c$f2913ef0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C511F9.E46DFEF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008a01c51219$dcd8b840$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: <5nnqF.A.XVF.E1AECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C511F9.E46DFEF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm gonna check this out.purely to see what John Stanier is doing these days! He was one of my favorite elements of early Helmet. Smokin' drummer. Rich -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cool music alert: Battles - EP C I know I'm always on the look-out for new music that captures my imagination. I just picked up a CD by a band called "Battles" called EP C Very cool, modern instrumentals from a rock band format. They use a lot of looping motifs. Tyondai Braxton David Konopka John Stanier Ian Williams www.bttls.com Over to you. David __________ NOD32 1.987 (20050128) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C511F9.E46DFEF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT ELP/JP f(rip)p

I’m gonna check this out…purely to see what John Stanier is doing these days!  He = was one of my favorite elements of early Helmet…

Smokin’ drummer.

 

Rich

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, February = 13, 2005 2:18 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Cool music = alert: Battles - EP C

 

I know I'm always on the = look-out for new music that captures my imagination.  =

 

I just picked up a CD by a = band called "Battles" called EP = C

 

Very cool, modern = instrumentals from a rock band format.  They use a lot of looping = motifs.

 

Tyondai = Braxton

David = Konopka

John = Stanier

Ian = Williams

 

 

Over to = you.

 

David

 

 



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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C511F9.E46DFEF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 21:46:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1E2hgb23856; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:43:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:43:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502140243.j1E2hIS23758@hemlock.violacea.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=dfzOUHqi726jPXK2uZ0tzYEoJavyVMz1BxkACzq72RZ/lcHAO+txuO4If7zxE/Zz; Reply-To: From: "ejyuhas" To: Subject: RE: RC-20 Start up problem Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:43:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcUSPb6PRwWBC1pnRBODuCpYZ5GSyQAAJoQw In-Reply-To: <1e1.35d1b2ac.2f41670d@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc526a55d5da3fcddd8d08647129bb5abe350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.41.94.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luckily, I've had no problems with my RC-20. But I did experience some weirdness from a Digitech RP-100 under battery power. One day, upon power-up, the LEDs just wigged out...every patch became the same---heavy *unuseable* distortion, then, it stopped working. I brought it to be checked out by the factory service rep, and nothing was wrong. I then bought the wall-wart, began using it and no problems have occurred since then. So my philosophy is NOT to use any batteries, if I don't have to. Peace. Ed in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Aptrev@aol.com [mailto:Aptrev@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-20 Start up problem In a message dated 2/12/05 9:37:46 PM, jeryj9@yahoo.com writes: << it just won't loop anything. >> I guess I would then try: Starting up the unit while holding the Exit button down. Starting up the unit while holding both the Reverse button and the Exit button down. Starting up the unit while holding both the Write and Exit buttons down. If still no positive change I would use the warranty and send it in for repair. If I bought it used I would open it up and look at the guts and poke around. There may even be a Boss User Forum somewhere that has some tips on tinkering with the insides. BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 22:20:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1E3ISL29397; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:18:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:18:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <008a01c51211$bd47a3e0$6601a8c0@khartung> References: <008a01c51211$bd47a3e0$6601a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0F81838A-7E37-11D9-8FF2-000A95748ADA@venetowest.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Your Thoughts on Look-Ahead Peak Limiting and Mastering, Threshold settings, etc Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:18:13 -0800 To: " " X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Look ahead limiting has the ability to get extreme levels on to a CD. It can be really cool but it has also butchered countless records. > First of all, I'm targeting > -3db or -4db as my max. output level, which is pretty much industry > standard these days for CDs, 16 bit, and 44.1K. I think you are confusing RMS levels with max output levels. If you set your max output to -0.5 you should be OK. As for the threshold levels that is totally content dependent, as well as relating to the level of the recorded signal. You are going to have to use your ears. If you do too much gain reduction you will begin to hear pretty ugly distortion creeping into the music (limiting low frequencies will bring this on faster than high frequencies. More than 5 dB of gain reduction on most types of music is really extreme. Also be very careful about getting to excited by loudness. In the short term most people think loud=better but smashing all the dynamics out of program material with look ahead limiting can really kill the long term listening experience on many styles of music.. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:19 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Well, I just received my Alesis Masterlink ML-9600 and I absolutely > love > this unit. It is a dream come true for live recording and > archiving...especially so because I can burn CDs of my performance > right > there on stage from the unit's hard drive. The recording quality is > immaculate and I really like the DSP, non-destructive editing features. > > > Anyway, I'd like some feedback from some of the other sound engineers > out there. I understand compression and limiting reasonably well (the > mathematics of compression, ratios, etc) and use it frequently in both > live and recording/sound engineering contexts. However, this Mastelink > has a "look-ahead peak limiting" function, which as the manual says, is > "designed to give you the ability to limit the highest peaks in a Track > and simultaneously bring up the gain of the Track in order to maximize > its level before creating a CD." After messing around with this, I am > very pleased with the results, but I'd like some thoughts what others > are using for output and threshold levels. First of all, I'm targeting > -3db or -4db as my max. output level, which is pretty much industry > standard these days for CDs, 16 bit, and 44.1K. Right now, I have the > output of the look-ahead peak limiter set to -4db and my threshold is > set to -3db. This seems to work well. Based on some guidelines I've > seen for limiters, threshold is typically set at the max. desired > output, and output perhaps just a sliver below this max. output, which > is what I've done here. I could have set both the same as well. > > What are some of you, who do your own mastering, using for limiting > setting guidelines? Better yet, if you are using a look-ahead limiter, > what setting guidelines or rules of thumb are you using for that? For > you techies, I've copied the manual description of this function below, > so you can how it works differently than a traditional limiter or > compressor. It's almost like a limiter, expander, and compressor all > wrapped up into one function. > > I can't seem to fine any good guidelines on the web either, regarding > look ahead peak limiting. This functions seems quite a bit more > sophisticated than standard compression or limiting. > > *********************************************************************** > * > ************** > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > View improvisational / real-time looping videos: > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/ > catalogue.ht > m#videos > Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > > > 5.4C DSP3:LOOK-AHEAD PEAK LIMITER > > The Look-Ahead Peak Limiter is designed to give you the ability to > limit > the highest peaks in a Track and simultaneously bring up the gain of > the > Track in order to maximize its level before creating a CD. This allows > you to "squeeze" that extra couple of decibels out of the dynamic > range, > without squashing your audio by hard compression or traditional > limiting. > > The limiter in the ML-9600 is very different than a traditional > limiter, > which is typically thought of as a compressor with a high ratio > setting. > By virtue of all-digital processing, the limiter is able to "look > ahead" > in time to see audio level peaks. This allows the limiter to begin > smoothly reducing the gain of the audio so that when the peak does > occur, it is limited to the desired value. In essence, the limiter > becomes a "perfect" limiter or one capable of attaining an > infinity-to-one gain reduction ratio. > > Another difference from a traditional limiter is that the "make-up" > gain > is automatically applied as a function of the threshold level. This > allows the limiter to act as a "maximizer", enabling you to bring your > Tracks very close to the maximum level allowed without clipping. > > The final difference in this limiter is that the final output level can > be fixed as a function of full-scale; i.e. the limiter has > infinity-to-one compression ratio with an extra gain stage at its > output. This allows you to decide what the peak output value of the > audio will be (-0.2dBFS, for instance). > > The Look-ahead peak limiter is perhaps best thought of as three > discrete > gain blocks: > > . The first gain block is dynamically adjusted so that its output level > never exceeds the threshold level (the "perfect" limiter). . The second > gain block adds make-up gain to the signal equal and opposite to the > threshold value (a threshold value of -10dBFS would have 10dB of > make-up > gain applied). . The third gain block is a "scaling" gain block; it > allows you to select the exact maximum output level (as a function of > full-scale). If this gain block were not there, the automatic make-up > gain would cause all signals that reached the threshold to equal 0dBFS. > > There are only three parameters in the limiter DSP block, so it is > extremely easy to set up and use. A detailed look at each of the > parameters follows. > > Threshold > > The Threshold parameter of the limiter sets the maximum output level > from the first gain stage. No gain reduction is applied as the signal > level approaches the threshold, but once it does, the limiter holds the > output of that stage to the threshold value. Make-up gain is applied to > the audio after it has been limited to the threshold value, so if audio > is playing while the threshold parameter is adjusted downward, the > output audio will appear to get louder. The threshold parameter is > adjustable from - 0dBFS to -65dBFS in 0.5dB increments. > > Output Level > > The Output Level parameter sets the absolute maximum output level from > the limiter, as a function of full-scale. A value of -0.1dB will limit > the output audio to no greater than -0.1dBFS, regardless of input level > or threshold setting. The output level parameter is adjustable from > 0dBFS to -65dBFS in 0.1dB increments. > > Release > > The release parameter functions exactly like its counterpart in the > compressor; it controls how long gain reduction is applied to the audio > after the input signal drops below the threshold. Release is adjustable > from 0 microseconds to 9.9 seconds. > > > > > Ronan Chris Murphy Veneto West www.venetowest.com On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:19 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Well, I just received my Alesis Masterlink ML-9600 and I absolutely > love > this unit. It is a dream come true for live recording and > archiving...especially so because I can burn CDs of my performance > right > there on stage from the unit's hard drive. The recording quality is > immaculate and I really like the DSP, non-destructive editing features. > > > Anyway, I'd like some feedback from some of the other sound engineers > out there. I understand compression and limiting reasonably well (the > mathematics of compression, ratios, etc) and use it frequently in both > live and recording/sound engineering contexts. However, this Mastelink > has a "look-ahead peak limiting" function, which as the manual says, is > "designed to give you the ability to limit the highest peaks in a Track > and simultaneously bring up the gain of the Track in order to maximize > its level before creating a CD." After messing around with this, I am > very pleased with the results, but I'd like some thoughts what others > are using for output and threshold levels. First of all, I'm targeting > -3db or -4db as my max. output level, which is pretty much industry > standard these days for CDs, 16 bit, and 44.1K. Right now, I have the > output of the look-ahead peak limiter set to -4db and my threshold is > set to -3db. This seems to work well. Based on some guidelines I've > seen for limiters, threshold is typically set at the max. desired > output, and output perhaps just a sliver below this max. output, which > is what I've done here. I could have set both the same as well. > > What are some of you, who do your own mastering, using for limiting > setting guidelines? Better yet, if you are using a look-ahead limiter, > what setting guidelines or rules of thumb are you using for that? For > you techies, I've copied the manual description of this function below, > so you can how it works differently than a traditional limiter or > compressor. It's almost like a limiter, expander, and compressor all > wrapped up into one function. > > I can't seem to fine any good guidelines on the web either, regarding > look ahead peak limiting. This functions seems quite a bit more > sophisticated than standard compression or limiting. > > *********************************************************************** > * > ************** > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > View improvisational / real-time looping videos: > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/ > catalogue.ht > m#videos > Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > > > 5.4C DSP3:LOOK-AHEAD PEAK LIMITER > > The Look-Ahead Peak Limiter is designed to give you the ability to > limit > the highest peaks in a Track and simultaneously bring up the gain of > the > Track in order to maximize its level before creating a CD. This allows > you to "squeeze" that extra couple of decibels out of the dynamic > range, > without squashing your audio by hard compression or traditional > limiting. > > The limiter in the ML-9600 is very different than a traditional > limiter, > which is typically thought of as a compressor with a high ratio > setting. > By virtue of all-digital processing, the limiter is able to "look > ahead" > in time to see audio level peaks. This allows the limiter to begin > smoothly reducing the gain of the audio so that when the peak does > occur, it is limited to the desired value. In essence, the limiter > becomes a "perfect" limiter or one capable of attaining an > infinity-to-one gain reduction ratio. > > Another difference from a traditional limiter is that the "make-up" > gain > is automatically applied as a function of the threshold level. This > allows the limiter to act as a "maximizer", enabling you to bring your > Tracks very close to the maximum level allowed without clipping. > > The final difference in this limiter is that the final output level can > be fixed as a function of full-scale; i.e. the limiter has > infinity-to-one compression ratio with an extra gain stage at its > output. This allows you to decide what the peak output value of the > audio will be (-0.2dBFS, for instance). > > The Look-ahead peak limiter is perhaps best thought of as three > discrete > gain blocks: > > . The first gain block is dynamically adjusted so that its output level > never exceeds the threshold level (the "perfect" limiter). . The second > gain block adds make-up gain to the signal equal and opposite to the > threshold value (a threshold value of -10dBFS would have 10dB of > make-up > gain applied). . The third gain block is a "scaling" gain block; it > allows you to select the exact maximum output level (as a function of > full-scale). If this gain block were not there, the automatic make-up > gain would cause all signals that reached the threshold to equal 0dBFS. > > There are only three parameters in the limiter DSP block, so it is > extremely easy to set up and use. A detailed look at each of the > parameters follows. > > Threshold > > The Threshold parameter of the limiter sets the maximum output level > from the first gain stage. No gain reduction is applied as the signal > level approaches the threshold, but once it does, the limiter holds the > output of that stage to the threshold value. Make-up gain is applied to > the audio after it has been limited to the threshold value, so if audio > is playing while the threshold parameter is adjusted downward, the > output audio will appear to get louder. The threshold parameter is > adjustable from - 0dBFS to -65dBFS in 0.5dB increments. > > Output Level > > The Output Level parameter sets the absolute maximum output level from > the limiter, as a function of full-scale. A value of -0.1dB will limit > the output audio to no greater than -0.1dBFS, regardless of input level > or threshold setting. The output level parameter is adjustable from > 0dBFS to -65dBFS in 0.1dB increments. > > Release > > The release parameter functions exactly like its counterpart in the > compressor; it controls how long gain reduction is applied to the audio > after the input signal drops below the threshold. Release is adjustable > from 0 microseconds to 9.9 seconds. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 22:25:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1E3O1h30420; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:24:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:24:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c001c511e0$23f60780$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Hypnotech 3 + Tobas Mong + Bleep Visuals Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:24:42 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ THE TEQUILA LOUNGE http://www.tequilalounge.ca - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Wednesday February 16th - Hypnotech 3 + Tobas Mong Tracing semaphore streamlines by bullet train through the turbo outrun of Printville, or transmitting minky starshine by midnite maglev via the multiplexed electrolight of Pluxemburg: the man machines return. For all these transways lead to the bubble metropolis, and to Science City Zero, the quiet noise area of Vista-Dome. Electric birds swirl under the pulse of the heartbeatstar; and soft odes to data romance are played on radiopiano, trancemixer, modeselektor, and emotional joystick. Your mind goes into programming; the warm data seeps through your character maps; and all around you is the cosmos computer music. H3: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/hypnotech3.htm The music of Tobas Mong is of the electronic variety using purely synthetic sounds to create an artificial, yet emotional result. Featuring evolving rhythmic melodies and beats, the music also has dark overtones at times. Sometimes bubbly, sometimes edgy, always systematic. http://www.synthetictechnologies.com Both sets will feature the photonic caresses of Bleep Visuals. Between Sets CD - "Texture Maps: The Lost Pieces 3" Each week in February we're featuring a CD in Steve Roach's "The Lost Pieces" series, leading to his newest release "TLP4". "Texture Maps: The Lost Pieces 3" mines atmospheres and sonic spaces from works created from 1987 through 2003. (See rik maclean's CD review later in this PiNG Update.). http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming February 23rd - Planet Of The Loops http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek Although I reported in an earlier column that January 24th is reputedly the worst day of the year, February 9 almost claimed the title for everyone involved in THE AMBiENT PiNG when the show scheduled for Wednesday, February 9, 2005 had to be cancelled at the eleventh hour. Crispin Giles, one of the T.Lounge's sound technicians, found the club in complete disarray when he arrived on Wednesday evening. The club had been torn apart for painting: all the booths were torn out, stuff was piled on the bar, there was painting going on and a big mess everywhere. Left scrambling in the wake of these unscheduled renovations, the PiNG crew attempted to salvage the evening by hosting a chill-out party replete with cheap beer - courtesy of the sheepish club owners who cleaned up most of the club by stacking the various materials in the VIP Lounge area. The scheduled event, promoted as an evening of potent musical jambalaya, drew a solid crowd of experimental music enthusiasts. Disappointed to miss a show featuring cheryl o and friends (Rob Piilonen, Jen Gillmor and Michael Keith), those who decided to stay and hang out enjoyed a nice vibe created by ambient videos and CDs courtesy of Scott M2. Despite an empty stage - and an enormous amount of stress and disappointment for the PiNG artists and organizers - TAP persevered by making the best of things. After all, what's art without a bit of adversity? cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Jen Gillmor - http://www.svdesign.ca/Sound-Intro.html Michael Keith - http://www.michaelkeith.com Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Texture Maps - The Lost Pieces 3" by Steve Roach "Texture Maps" is a collection of previously unreleased ambient pieces taken from various points in Roach's career, work built around the ideas of oblique motion and the slow drift of shapes. Beginning with "Gray and Purple", Roach creates an environment of organic soundscapes, rising and falling, passing through states of consciousness and inspiring dreams. Wonderful. "Artifact Ghost" suggest subterranean travels, a haunted journey through inner space. "Spiral Triptych" brings together three separate compositions into one long form piece. Roach melts each part into the others creating an elegant, almost conceptual whole. I like this/these one/s alot. The disc closes with "Soul Light", a recent composition recorded shortly after his recent "Mystic Chords" box set. As a whole, "Texture Maps" is a fantastic journey through space suggesting the birth and death of stars, the dawn and dusk of life, and a thousand other secrets that have yet to be shared. A fantastic work of space music sure to appeal to all fans of the genre. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 22:30:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1E3T8R31346; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:29:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:29:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Your Thoughts on Look-Ahead Peak Limiting and Mastering, Threshold settings, etc Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:28:30 -0700 Message-ID: <009801c51245$42d3d730$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <0F81838A-7E37-11D9-8FF2-000A95748ADA@venetowest.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 82, in=160, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I noticed...just sliding the threshold down on look ahead function does drastic things to the sound. It doesn't go past -3db, but doesn't go much below it either.....STERILE city. I may just decided to digitially increase the overall db level of my recordings so that the max. peak is no more than -3db on my digital meter (just before the red...0 is max on this one), and then just leave all the natural dynamics of my guitar. K- -----Original Message----- From: Ronan Chris Murphy [mailto:rcm@venetowest.com] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 8:18 PM To: Subject: Re: Your Thoughts on Look-Ahead Peak Limiting and Mastering, Threshold settings, etc Look ahead limiting has the ability to get extreme levels on to a CD. It can be really cool but it has also butchered countless records. > First of all, I'm targeting > -3db or -4db as my max. output level, which is pretty much industry > standard these days for CDs, 16 bit, and 44.1K. I think you are confusing RMS levels with max output levels. If you set your max output to -0.5 you should be OK. As for the threshold levels that is totally content dependent, as well as relating to the level of the recorded signal. You are going to have to use your ears. If you do too much gain reduction you will begin to hear pretty ugly distortion creeping into the music (limiting low frequencies will bring this on faster than high frequencies. More than 5 dB of gain reduction on most types of music is really extreme. Also be very careful about getting to excited by loudness. In the short term most people think loud=better but smashing all the dynamics out of program material with look ahead limiting can really kill the long term listening experience on many styles of music.. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:19 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Well, I just received my Alesis Masterlink ML-9600 and I absolutely > love > this unit. It is a dream come true for live recording and > archiving...especially so because I can burn CDs of my performance > right > there on stage from the unit's hard drive. The recording quality is > immaculate and I really like the DSP, non-destructive editing features. > > > Anyway, I'd like some feedback from some of the other sound engineers > out there. I understand compression and limiting reasonably well (the > mathematics of compression, ratios, etc) and use it frequently in both > live and recording/sound engineering contexts. However, this Mastelink > has a "look-ahead peak limiting" function, which as the manual says, is > "designed to give you the ability to limit the highest peaks in a Track > and simultaneously bring up the gain of the Track in order to maximize > its level before creating a CD." After messing around with this, I am > very pleased with the results, but I'd like some thoughts what others > are using for output and threshold levels. First of all, I'm targeting > -3db or -4db as my max. output level, which is pretty much industry > standard these days for CDs, 16 bit, and 44.1K. Right now, I have the > output of the look-ahead peak limiter set to -4db and my threshold is > set to -3db. This seems to work well. Based on some guidelines I've > seen for limiters, threshold is typically set at the max. desired > output, and output perhaps just a sliver below this max. output, which > is what I've done here. I could have set both the same as well. > > What are some of you, who do your own mastering, using for limiting > setting guidelines? Better yet, if you are using a look-ahead limiter, > what setting guidelines or rules of thumb are you using for that? For > you techies, I've copied the manual description of this function below, > so you can how it works differently than a traditional limiter or > compressor. It's almost like a limiter, expander, and compressor all > wrapped up into one function. > > I can't seem to fine any good guidelines on the web either, regarding > look ahead peak limiting. This functions seems quite a bit more > sophisticated than standard compression or limiting. > > *********************************************************************** > * > ************** > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > View improvisational / real-time looping videos: > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/ > catalogue.ht > m#videos > Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > > > 5.4C DSP3:LOOK-AHEAD PEAK LIMITER > > The Look-Ahead Peak Limiter is designed to give you the ability to > limit > the highest peaks in a Track and simultaneously bring up the gain of > the > Track in order to maximize its level before creating a CD. This allows > you to "squeeze" that extra couple of decibels out of the dynamic > range, > without squashing your audio by hard compression or traditional > limiting. > > The limiter in the ML-9600 is very different than a traditional > limiter, > which is typically thought of as a compressor with a high ratio > setting. > By virtue of all-digital processing, the limiter is able to "look > ahead" > in time to see audio level peaks. This allows the limiter to begin > smoothly reducing the gain of the audio so that when the peak does > occur, it is limited to the desired value. In essence, the limiter > becomes a "perfect" limiter or one capable of attaining an > infinity-to-one gain reduction ratio. > > Another difference from a traditional limiter is that the "make-up" > gain > is automatically applied as a function of the threshold level. This > allows the limiter to act as a "maximizer", enabling you to bring your > Tracks very close to the maximum level allowed without clipping. > > The final difference in this limiter is that the final output level can > be fixed as a function of full-scale; i.e. the limiter has > infinity-to-one compression ratio with an extra gain stage at its > output. This allows you to decide what the peak output value of the > audio will be (-0.2dBFS, for instance). > > The Look-ahead peak limiter is perhaps best thought of as three > discrete > gain blocks: > > . The first gain block is dynamically adjusted so that its output level > never exceeds the threshold level (the "perfect" limiter). . The second > gain block adds make-up gain to the signal equal and opposite to the > threshold value (a threshold value of -10dBFS would have 10dB of > make-up > gain applied). . The third gain block is a "scaling" gain block; it > allows you to select the exact maximum output level (as a function of > full-scale). If this gain block were not there, the automatic make-up > gain would cause all signals that reached the threshold to equal 0dBFS. > > There are only three parameters in the limiter DSP block, so it is > extremely easy to set up and use. A detailed look at each of the > parameters follows. > > Threshold > > The Threshold parameter of the limiter sets the maximum output level > from the first gain stage. No gain reduction is applied as the signal > level approaches the threshold, but once it does, the limiter holds the > output of that stage to the threshold value. Make-up gain is applied to > the audio after it has been limited to the threshold value, so if audio > is playing while the threshold parameter is adjusted downward, the > output audio will appear to get louder. The threshold parameter is > adjustable from - 0dBFS to -65dBFS in 0.5dB increments. > > Output Level > > The Output Level parameter sets the absolute maximum output level from > the limiter, as a function of full-scale. A value of -0.1dB will limit > the output audio to no greater than -0.1dBFS, regardless of input level > or threshold setting. The output level parameter is adjustable from > 0dBFS to -65dBFS in 0.1dB increments. > > Release > > The release parameter functions exactly like its counterpart in the > compressor; it controls how long gain reduction is applied to the audio > after the input signal drops below the threshold. Release is adjustable > from 0 microseconds to 9.9 seconds. > > > > > Ronan Chris Murphy Veneto West www.venetowest.com On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:19 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Well, I just received my Alesis Masterlink ML-9600 and I absolutely > love > this unit. It is a dream come true for live recording and > archiving...especially so because I can burn CDs of my performance > right > there on stage from the unit's hard drive. The recording quality is > immaculate and I really like the DSP, non-destructive editing features. > > > Anyway, I'd like some feedback from some of the other sound engineers > out there. I understand compression and limiting reasonably well (the > mathematics of compression, ratios, etc) and use it frequently in both > live and recording/sound engineering contexts. However, this Mastelink > has a "look-ahead peak limiting" function, which as the manual says, is > "designed to give you the ability to limit the highest peaks in a Track > and simultaneously bring up the gain of the Track in order to maximize > its level before creating a CD." After messing around with this, I am > very pleased with the results, but I'd like some thoughts what others > are using for output and threshold levels. First of all, I'm targeting > -3db or -4db as my max. output level, which is pretty much industry > standard these days for CDs, 16 bit, and 44.1K. Right now, I have the > output of the look-ahead peak limiter set to -4db and my threshold is > set to -3db. This seems to work well. Based on some guidelines I've > seen for limiters, threshold is typically set at the max. desired > output, and output perhaps just a sliver below this max. output, which > is what I've done here. I could have set both the same as well. > > What are some of you, who do your own mastering, using for limiting > setting guidelines? Better yet, if you are using a look-ahead limiter, > what setting guidelines or rules of thumb are you using for that? For > you techies, I've copied the manual description of this function below, > so you can how it works differently than a traditional limiter or > compressor. It's almost like a limiter, expander, and compressor all > wrapped up into one function. > > I can't seem to fine any good guidelines on the web either, regarding > look ahead peak limiting. This functions seems quite a bit more > sophisticated than standard compression or limiting. > > *********************************************************************** > * > ************** > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > View improvisational / real-time looping videos: > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/ > catalogue.ht > m#videos > Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > > > 5.4C DSP3:LOOK-AHEAD PEAK LIMITER > > The Look-Ahead Peak Limiter is designed to give you the ability to > limit > the highest peaks in a Track and simultaneously bring up the gain of > the > Track in order to maximize its level before creating a CD. This allows > you to "squeeze" that extra couple of decibels out of the dynamic > range, > without squashing your audio by hard compression or traditional > limiting. > > The limiter in the ML-9600 is very different than a traditional > limiter, > which is typically thought of as a compressor with a high ratio > setting. > By virtue of all-digital processing, the limiter is able to "look > ahead" > in time to see audio level peaks. This allows the limiter to begin > smoothly reducing the gain of the audio so that when the peak does > occur, it is limited to the desired value. In essence, the limiter > becomes a "perfect" limiter or one capable of attaining an > infinity-to-one gain reduction ratio. > > Another difference from a traditional limiter is that the "make-up" > gain > is automatically applied as a function of the threshold level. This > allows the limiter to act as a "maximizer", enabling you to bring your > Tracks very close to the maximum level allowed without clipping. > > The final difference in this limiter is that the final output level can > be fixed as a function of full-scale; i.e. the limiter has > infinity-to-one compression ratio with an extra gain stage at its > output. This allows you to decide what the peak output value of the > audio will be (-0.2dBFS, for instance). > > The Look-ahead peak limiter is perhaps best thought of as three > discrete > gain blocks: > > . The first gain block is dynamically adjusted so that its output level > never exceeds the threshold level (the "perfect" limiter). . The second > gain block adds make-up gain to the signal equal and opposite to the > threshold value (a threshold value of -10dBFS would have 10dB of > make-up > gain applied). . The third gain block is a "scaling" gain block; it > allows you to select the exact maximum output level (as a function of > full-scale). If this gain block were not there, the automatic make-up > gain would cause all signals that reached the threshold to equal 0dBFS. > > There are only three parameters in the limiter DSP block, so it is > extremely easy to set up and use. A detailed look at each of the > parameters follows. > > Threshold > > The Threshold parameter of the limiter sets the maximum output level > from the first gain stage. No gain reduction is applied as the signal > level approaches the threshold, but once it does, the limiter holds the > output of that stage to the threshold value. Make-up gain is applied to > the audio after it has been limited to the threshold value, so if audio > is playing while the threshold parameter is adjusted downward, the > output audio will appear to get louder. The threshold parameter is > adjustable from - 0dBFS to -65dBFS in 0.5dB increments. > > Output Level > > The Output Level parameter sets the absolute maximum output level from > the limiter, as a function of full-scale. A value of -0.1dB will limit > the output audio to no greater than -0.1dBFS, regardless of input level > or threshold setting. The output level parameter is adjustable from > 0dBFS to -65dBFS in 0.1dB increments. > > Release > > The release parameter functions exactly like its counterpart in the > compressor; it controls how long gain reduction is applied to the audio > after the input signal drops below the threshold. Release is adjustable > from 0 microseconds to 9.9 seconds. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 13 23:26:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1E4PQt07151; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:25:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:25:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=gGNgru3i/ZStZF8RUNT6dp24uzEi679VjxdL4BAWUsNXoD9iNAu4uQo3QtpBkhu2E+xdKCahYYqaFRYMZ0HMel8oXkCNvQ0lAoJWBgT8Bf9c+yibeZ0ph42bGGDAulWD14VJTM5CvAhhLqAjNiv0/J3czF7F+VbKG0u8n73OSKI= ; Message-ID: <20050214042437.23156.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:24:36 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: tape looping/tape delay KLANGUMWANDLER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200502140325.j1E3PW630741@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Devin, Ya, after I told you to Google "Klangumwandler", I tried it myself. I guess I have way too much faith in the Internet. :) It seems as if the Klangumwandler that Wendy Carlos mentions and Moog built and was designed by Harald Bode, may have been an entirely electronic device. Nowhere on the Internet was I able to find any mention of a "rotating tape head pitch shifting device". Yet I have a very clear memory of reading about it back in the late 70's. I thought that I read about it in "Source" magazine, though I could be mistaken. Even though I've never seen one, the discription that I read was so clear in my mind, I feel that I could build one myself just from the memory of how it was described. Basically, it is a rotating disk about 3" diameter with the four tape heads located in an X pattern, 90 degrees from one another. This disk is set in motion by a reversable motor, allowing variable speeds and directions. You are correct in assuming that you'd have to have carbon brushes on the rotating disk to transfer the electronics up into the wiring harness, I don't see any way around that. My thoughts are that this device was used in the 50's and 60's back in the days of the classic electronic music studios. Dr. Zvonar are you there? As far as keyboard control of tape speed, I have seen two track studio decks with a digital readout of the percentage of pitch shift with increase or decrease of motor speed. This one went up to an octave in either direction. I believe it was an Ampeg, though don't quote me on that one. Stephen << Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1E6JEw22971; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:19:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:19:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:18:47 -0500 From: Adrian Likins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cool music alert: Battles - EP C Message-ID: <20050214061847.GA27174@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D9F@lon-oxmail02> <008a01c51219$dcd8b840$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <008a01c51219$dcd8b840$0affff0a@hppav> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: <61Nr4C.A.elF.ILEECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 05:17:52PM -0500, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > RE: OT ELP/JP f(rip)pI know I'm always on the look-out for new music that captures my imagination. > > I just picked up a CD by a band called "Battles" called EP C > > Very cool, modern instrumentals from a rock band format. They use a lot of looping motifs. > > Tyondai Braxton > David Konopka > John Stanier > Ian Williams I heartily echo that sentiment. One of the best live shows I've seen this year. I'm a big Battles fan. Live all three guitarists loop extensively. I seem to recall two EDP's and a DL-4 at least, and a laptop or two as well. If you dig Battles, and if you haven't heard the last couple Don Caballero albums (particular American Don), run to the record store now. (Ian Williams was also in Don Cab). Adrian http://www.phasmatodea.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 04:06:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1E94tW11226; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:04:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:04:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: "Loopers" Subject: "SYNCED!" samples up Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:06:04 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are some short samples of "SYNCED!" up on http://nosuch.biz/illt. Please check back as we may add photos and additional info. Thank you Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 05:20:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EAIak20754; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:18:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:18:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.240.120] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Aarset gear / Turkish sound Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:15:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2005 10:16:01.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[2ECE52E0:01C5127E] Resent-Message-ID: <5rfAdC.A.zCF.LrHECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com go here and listen to the clip of "sauna" (a few tantalising notes) http://www.nilspettermolvaer.com/ and also go here- http://www.hopper-management.com/artist.php?AR_ID=147 and watch the video of "dust kittens" this is all i could find that's public domain, i'm afraid... sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 07:43:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ECfs809553; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:41:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:41:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <88a5cd7388cad33d8b9fef25de1a6838@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Douglas Johnson Subject: Re: Aarset gear / Turkish sound Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:41:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow! I like, I like! Thanks for the link. Now I have to check out his albums. Any suggestions on a good one to start with? On Feb 14, 2005, at 5:15 AM, simeon harris wrote: > go here and listen to the clip of "sauna" (a few tantalising notes) > http://www.nilspettermolvaer.com/ > > and also go here- > http://www.hopper-management.com/artist.php?AR_ID=147 and watch the > video of "dust kittens" > > this is all i could find that's public domain, i'm afraid... > > sim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 08:19:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EDHqx15923; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:17:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:17:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.144.120] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Aarset gear / Turkish sound Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:16:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2005 13:17:03.0940 (UTC) FILETIME=[7999A040:01C51297] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'd go with Electronique Noir or Light Extracts for solo stuff - Light Extracts is slightly more chilled and ambient in places, but maybe not quite so strong melodically - they're both superb though. his most recent solo effort, Connected is very different and sees him exploring some new areas (not so successfully IMO) i'd also have a crack at Khmer by Nils Petter Molvaer - it's pretty old now and they've developed hugely, but it has a raw edginess to it that is pretty compelling The new NPM "live" album called Streamer is superb and i would highly recommend it. i say "live" in inverted commas, because the source material was recorded live, but it has been manipuated, remixed and added to. a superb listen and flows beautifully. that track Sauna i suggested is my favourite track at the moment. i've been listenting to some trio concerts that Aarset has been doing of late (recorded from German radio) - very interesting to hear how he reduces his tunes to the bare essentials and then re-vibrates them in a live setting. his drummer uses Ableton to augment the band's sound in very subtle and pleasing ways...top notch stuff...! sim >Wow! I like, I like! Thanks for the link. Now I have to check out his >albums. Any suggestions on a good one to start with? >>On Feb 14, 2005, at 5:15 AM, simeon harris wrote: >>go here and listen to the clip of "sauna" (a few tantalising notes) >>http://www.nilspettermolvaer.com/ >> >>and also go here- http://www.hopper-management.com/artist.php?AR_ID=147 >>and watch the video of "dust kittens" >> >>this is all i could find that's public domain, i'm afraid... >> >>sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 08:38:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EDZgX18870; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:35:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:35:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Douglas Johnson Subject: Re: Aarset gear / Turkish sound Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:35:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Sim, I just love it when you are introduced to a new artist that really excites you. Thanks again! On Feb 14, 2005, at 8:16 AM, simeon harris wrote: > i'd go with Electronique Noir or Light Extracts for solo stuff - Light > Extracts is slightly more chilled and ambient in places, but maybe not > quite so strong melodically - they're both superb though. his most > recent solo effort, Connected is very different and sees him exploring > some new areas (not so successfully IMO) > > i'd also have a crack at Khmer by Nils Petter Molvaer - it's pretty > old now and they've developed hugely, but it has a raw edginess to it > that is pretty compelling > > The new NPM "live" album called Streamer is superb and i would highly > recommend it. i say "live" in inverted commas, because the source > material was recorded live, but it has been manipuated, remixed and > added to. a superb listen and flows beautifully. that track Sauna i > suggested is my favourite track at the moment. > > i've been listenting to some trio concerts that Aarset has been doing > of late (recorded from German radio) - very interesting to hear how he > reduces his tunes to the bare essentials and then re-vibrates them in > a live setting. his drummer uses Ableton to augment the band's sound > in very subtle and pleasing ways...top notch stuff...! > > sim > > >> Wow! I like, I like! Thanks for the link. Now I have to check out >> his albums. Any suggestions on a good one to start with? > >>> On Feb 14, 2005, at 5:15 AM, simeon harris wrote: > >>> go here and listen to the clip of "sauna" (a few tantalising notes) >>> http://www.nilspettermolvaer.com/ >>> >>> and also go here- >>> http://www.hopper-management.com/artist.php?AR_ID=147 and watch the >>> video of "dust kittens" >>> >>> this is all i could find that's public domain, i'm afraid... >>> >>> sim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 09:22:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EEKdv25929; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:20:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:20:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050214140304.02b402e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:18:31 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #100 In-Reply-To: <200502141319.j1EDJnh16117@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502141319.j1EDJnh16117@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2uhWMC.A.zTG.-NLECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 13:19 14/02/05, you wrote: >go here and listen to the clip of "sauna" (a few tantalising notes) >http://www.nilspettermolvaer.com/ hmmm...not sure 'bout that one, >and also go here- http://www.hopper-management.com/artist.php?AR_ID=147 >and watch the video of "dust kittens" he holds the ebow over the fretboard, so to get swells he must be using the left hand to hammer on to get the string going, and an effect to smooth out the attack. So he has to damp the string between notes if he wants to keep getting the slow attack on each note. To get a swell at any required smoothness with an ebow you can bring the ebow nearer to the pickup, and work with the fact that the ebow amplifies a lot. Its possible to lightly tap the note with the left hand, and move the ebow towards the pickup to get the swell. Without compression, and without turning the guitar volume down like it says to in the ebow manual there's an amazing amount of expression to be had. The drawback is that it's about as hard a technique to learn as playing a flute :-( >this is all i could find that's public domain, i'm afraid... thanks, v. interesting >sim andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 09:37:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EEYbo27605; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:34:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:34:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1108391655!11462755!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329DAB@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: tape looping/tape delay KLANGUMWANDLER Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:32:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C512A2.15320A10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C512A2.15320A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Thanks Stephen for the post about the "klangumwanler." [snip] The only stuff I seem to turn up on google is lots of Wendy Carlos stuff and a few very casual mentionings of the work klangumwandler. Do you think this would be tricky to build? The one I saw in "How Things Work" looked like a detachable or retrofit unit. It seems that one would have to come up with some kind of a circular "railroad track" kind of brush that the contacts for head could ride in [snip] a small keyboard controller for the motor speed of the unit.....<< I have a vague recollection of that ampeg device too..... but for the former, hopefully the following will satisfy: I have searched instead on the old interweb for mention of a device I knew as "eltro". I first saw mention of this thing, made IIRC by a german or austrian company (AEG? AKG? telefunken? EMT, as it turns out, the same people who made the reverb plates), in the glossary section of the booklet that came with "the nonesuch guide to electronic music". this double LP set was "realised" by beaver & krause on an early-ish moog 3-series & is probably quite rare. the "eltro" was explained as a tape-device for independent alteration of pitch & tempo. I had a much higher IQ back in those days (when I was 9 or 10) & figured that such a device would need a rotating head system. paul & bernie didn't have one, but I bet they wished they had. I have, like steve, seen pictures of this device, though I can't recall where.... the bbc radiophonic workshop had one, which attached somehow to the side of one of their regular 1/4" decks (a philips- seems they made broadcast decks too, back in the day). rotating heads used to operate with brushes as steve describes, but since the early days of vtr (late 50s), rotary transformers have been used instead. basically, the head assembly is constructed with a cylindrical transformer coil around it, & the whole assembly spins within a static secondary coil. anyway. this from the AES.org timeline of recording-related inventions: 1965 * The Dolby Type A noise reduction system is introduced. * Robert Moog shows elements of his early music "synthesizers." * Eltro (Germany) makes a pitch/tempo shifter, using a rotating head assembly to sample a moving magnetic tape. * Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass tour with a Harry McCune Custom Sound System. while this pdf for a recent dolby pitch-shifter mentions the "emi eltro" in passing, while describing an altogether more mundane requirement for independent pitch/time shifting. http://www.resolutionmag.com/pdfs/REVIEWS/DOLBY585.PDF a more detailed discussion from this 78s forum: http://www.78online.com/forum/read.php?f=3&i=1581&t=1581 (but save yourself the effort, it's pasted below) & this thread, but note it's the same machine at gotham recordings.... interesting anecdotes about the beatles & sam cooke in the autotune debate too. http://www.audiobanter.com/q-t_10075-Re-Tuning-vocals-started-when-by-who.html Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:28:39 -0500 From: "MICHAEL BIEL" Subject: [78-l] Analog tape pitch shifter (was: Digital Toscanini) I have one of the machines, it does work, but the sound IS atrocious. There were several different versions. The one I have is called the Whirling Dervish. I understand that the original AEG Magnetophon K-1 from 1935 also was such a device. The first one I saw was the ELTRO that Jack D mentioned. It demonstrated by Steve Temmer of Gotham Audio in at a meeting I attended in 1967, and years later the company was able to refer me to Steve's retired partner who coincidentally knew of me thru my Ph.D. dissertation. (Trying to remember the name.) He told me that the Univ of Louisville had one, and I went to see it. The following year when they decided to get a digital harmonizer, they called me up and offered the old one to me. I am not sure what the relationship is between the ELTRO and the Dervish, but apparently Gotham sold the latter when the ELTRO became unavailable. The Whirling Dervish is slightly different from the ELTRO that Jack described. It doesn't need to have a separate tape recorder. It uses a continuous loop of tape in a bin-loop. There is a huge capstan, and the speed can be varied from probably 20 to 60 IPS. There is a stationary erase and record head, and a head-wheel with the four playback heads set 90 degrees apart. These are mounted in a spindle about a half inch in diameter. It is run by a separate motor and can be spun in either direction. Only one of the four heads contacts the tape at any time. If the heads are stationary, the playback is at normal pitch. If the heads turn against the direction of the tape movement, the relative speed of the tape to the heads is increased, so the pitch is raised. The tape moves so fast and the heads can spin so fast that there are little tiny slivers of sound that are skipped over as one playback head leaves the tape and another picks up the playback. If the heads are spinning in the direction of the tape movement, the relative speed is decreased and the pitch is lowered. Tiny slivers of sound are repeated. By adjusting the capstan speed, the headwheel speed, and a switching device they called the smoothing control, you can eliminate most of the jitter effects of the missing or added sounds. It works best with speech, which is what the Univ of Lvl was using it for. They were experimenting with finding the acceptable rates for compressing speech for readings for the blind. This is a pitch shifter, and will work with live sound or with a recording. It will raise or lower the pitch of a live sound or a recording played at proper speed. This would enable you to fix the pitch or the key of the music without altering the tempo. On the other hand, if you change the speed of the playback of the recording you are feeding into the machine, you can use the pitch shifter to restore the pitch to normal. Thus you can play a recording either faster or slower in tempo and then restore the pitch to the original key. As I said, they were used for compressed speech for readings for the blind for many years before the digital methods were introduced. Mike Biel mbiel@Kih.net >>>> I understand there was such a method. It involved a tape >>>> player with heads mounted on a wheel that spun. >>>> The tape would move at the normal playback speed, >>>> and the motion of the heads relative to the tape would >>>> either raise or lower the pitch. >> > >>>There must have been more to it than that! On an analog tape, >>> the pitch depends on how fast the tape is passing the playback >>> head, it doesn't matter whether the tape is moving across a >>> stationary head, a head is moving against a stationary tape >>> or a moving head is passing a moving tape. >> >> I agree that the pitch depends on the relative speed between >> the tape head and the tape. Let's say the tape moves at 7.5 IPS, >> and the spinning wheel moves the tape heads at 1.5 IPS in the >> opposite direction of the tape motion. The speed of the tape >> relative to the heads is 8.0 IPS, so the pitch would be higher >> than if the heads were stationary. But the tempo wouldn't be >> affected, since the tape still passes by at 7.5 IPS. > > From: > In 1967 at Gotham Recording in NYC we had a "Rube Goldberg" > arrangement called "ELTRO" stashed away in a small studio. > It could do pre-digital tricks and involved the use of two tape > recorders. My recollection of it is a bit hazy because we didn't > use it often & I didn't get to use it at all although I did see it in > operation one or more times. > I think the original intent was to alter time without changing pitch. > This would have been most useful in time-editing voiceovers and > commercials which were a major part of Gotham's business. > If I recall correctly it involved playing the tape on a variable speed > equipped Ampex while threading it through the head assembly of > an externally mounted and modified tape machine (a Tandberg > with a rotating playback head, a la VTR, I believe) & back to the > Ampex's take up reel. If the tape were stationary, the sound at the > rotating playback head could be sustained indefinitely. By adjusting > the Ampex's tape speed (and perhaps, I'm not certain of this, the > Tandberg's head speed) the required results were acheived. It > did work (if after a fashion) and was used occasionally and was > an exclusive selling point for Gotham at the time. > I think the reason a Tandberg was used was because of its > excellent audio and possibly the ease of modifying the head > arrangement. > Now that my curiosity has been piqued I'll try to get further > info from one of the other Gotham engineers with whom I'm > in intermittent contact who should have more details. If I learn > anything additional, I'll post it here. Jack D. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C512A2.15320A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: tape looping/tape delay KLANGUMWANDLER

 >> Thanks Stephen for the post about the &quo= t;klangumwanler." [snip] The only stuff I seem to turn up on google is= lots of Wendy Carlos stuff and a few very casual mentionings of the work k= langumwandler. Do you think this would be tricky to build? The one I saw in= "How Things Work" looked like a detachable or retrofit unit. It = seems that one would have to come up with some kind of a circular "rai= lroad track" kind of brush that the contacts for head could ride in [s= nip]

a small keyboard controller for the motor speed of the un= it.....<<

I have a vague recollection of that ampeg device too.....= but for the former, hopefully the following will satisfy:

I have searched instead on the old interweb for mention o= f a device I knew as "eltro". I first saw mention of this thing, = made IIRC by a german or austrian company (AEG? AKG? telefunken? EMT, as it= turns out, the same people who made the reverb plates), in the glossary se= ction of the booklet that came with "the nonesuch guide to electronic = music".

this double LP set was "realised" by beaver &am= p; krause on an early-ish moog 3-series & is probably quite rare.
the "eltro" was explained as a tape-device for= independent alteration of pitch & tempo. I had a much higher IQ back i= n those days (when I was 9 or 10) & figured that such a device would ne= ed a rotating head system. paul & bernie didn't have one, but I bet the= y wished they had.

I have, like steve, seen pictures of this device, though = I can't recall where.... the bbc radiophonic workshop had one, which attach= ed somehow to the side of one of their regular 1/4" decks (a philips- = seems they made broadcast decks too, back in the day).

rotating heads used to operate with brushes as steve desc= ribes, but since the early days of vtr (late 50s), rotary transformers have= been used instead. basically, the head assembly is constructed with a cyli= ndrical transformer coil around it, & the whole assembly spins within a= static secondary coil.

anyway.

this from the AES.org timeline of recording-related inven= tions:

1965

    * The Dolby Type A noise reduction sys= tem is introduced.

    * Robert Moog shows elements of his ea= rly music "synthesizers."

    * Eltro (Germany) makes a pitch/tempo = shifter, using a rotating head assembly to sample a moving magnetic tape.

    * Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass to= ur with a Harry McCune Custom Sound System.

while this pdf for a recent dolby pitch-shifter mentions = the "emi eltro" in passing, while describing an altogether more m= undane requirement for independent pitch/time shifting.

http://www.resolutionmag.com/pdfs/REVIEWS/DOLBY= 585.PDF

a more detailed discussion from this 78s forum:
http://www.78online.com/forum/read.php= ?f=3D3&i=3D1581&t=3D1581

(but save yourself the effort, it's pasted below)

& this thread, but note it's the same machine at goth= am recordings.... interesting anecdotes about the beatles & sam cooke i= n the autotune debate too.

http://www.audiobanter.= com/q-t_10075-Re-Tuning-vocals-started-when-by-who.html

Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:28:39 -0500
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@kih.net>
Subject: [78-l] Analog tape pitch shifter (was: Digital = Toscanini)

I have one of the machines, it does work, but the sound I= S atrocious.
There were several different versions. The one I have is= called the
Whirling Dervish. I understand that the original AEG Mag= netophon K-1 from
1935 also was such a device. The first one I saw was the= ELTRO that Jack D
mentioned. It demonstrated by Steve Temmer of Gotham Aud= io in at a meeting
I attended in 1967, and years later the company was able= to refer me to
Steve's retired partner who coincidentally knew of me th= ru my Ph.D.
dissertation. (Trying to remember the name.) He told me = that the Univ of
Louisville had one, and I went to see it. The following = year when they
decided to get a digital harmonizer, they called me up a= nd offered the old
one to me. I am not sure what the relationship is betwee= n the ELTRO and
the Dervish, but apparently Gotham sold the latter when = the ELTRO became
unavailable.

The Whirling Dervish is slightly different from the ELTRO= that Jack
described. It doesn't need to have a separate tape recor= der. It uses a
continuous loop of tape in a bin-loop. There is a huge c= apstan, and the
speed can be varied from probably 20 to 60 IPS. There is= a stationary
erase and record head, and a head-wheel with the four pl= ayback heads set 90
degrees apart. These are mounted in a spindle about a ha= lf inch in
diameter. It is run by a separate motor and can be spun = in either
direction. Only one of the four heads contacts the tape = at any time. If
the heads are stationary, the playback is at normal pitc= h. If the heads
turn against the direction of the tape movement, the rel= ative speed of the
tape to the heads is increased, so the pitch is raised. = The tape moves so
fast and the heads can spin so fast that there are littl= e tiny slivers of
sound that are skipped over as one playback head leaves = the tape and
another picks up the playback. If the heads are spinning= in the direction
of the tape movement, the relative speed is decreased an= d the pitch is
lowered. Tiny slivers of sound are repeated. By adjustin= g the capstan
speed, the headwheel speed, and a switching device they = called the
smoothing control, you can eliminate most of the jitter = effects of the
missing or added sounds. It works best with speech, whic= h is what the Univ
of Lvl was using it for. They were experimenting with fi= nding the
acceptable rates for compressing speech for readings for= the blind.

This is a pitch shifter, and will work with live sound or= with a recording.
It will raise or lower the pitch of a live sound or a re= cording played at
proper speed. This would enable you to fix the pitch or = the key of the
music without altering the tempo. On the other hand, if = you change the
speed of the playback of the recording you are feeding i= nto the machine,
you can use the pitch shifter to restore the pitch to no= rmal. Thus you can
play a recording either faster or slower in tempo and th= en restore the
pitch to the original key. As I said, they were used for= compressed speech
for readings for the blind for many years before the dig= ital methods were
introduced.

Mike Biel mbiel@Kih.net

>>>> I understand there was such a method. It= involved a tape
>>>> player with heads mounted on a wheel th= at spun.
>>>> The tape would move at the normal playb= ack speed,
>>>> and the motion of the heads relative to= the tape would
>>>> either raise or lower the pitch.
>> >
>>>There must have been more to it than that! O= n an analog tape,
>>> the pitch depends on how fast the tape is p= assing the playback
>>> head, it doesn't matter whether the tape is= moving across a
>>> stationary head, a head is moving against a= stationary tape
>>> or a moving head is passing a moving tape.<= /FONT>
>>
>> I agree that the pitch depends on the relative = speed between
>> the tape head and the tape. Let's say the tape = moves at 7.5 IPS,
>> and the spinning wheel moves the tape heads at = 1.5 IPS in the
>> opposite direction of the tape motion. The spee= d of the tape
>> relative to the heads is 8.0 IPS, so the pitch = would be higher
>> than if the heads were stationary. But the temp= o wouldn't be
>> affected, since the tape still passes by at 7.5= IPS.
>
> From: <jackson32@mindspring.com (Jack)>
> In 1967 at Gotham Recording in NYC we had a "R= ube Goldberg"
> arrangement called "ELTRO" stashed away i= n a small studio.
> It could do pre-digital tricks and involved the use= of two tape
> recorders. My recollection of it is a bit hazy beca= use we didn't
> use it often & I didn't get to use it at all al= though I did see it in
> operation one or more times.
> I think the original intent was to alter time witho= ut changing pitch.
> This would have been most useful in time-editing vo= iceovers and
> commercials which were a major part of Gotham's bus= iness.
> If I recall correctly it involved playing the tape = on a variable speed
> equipped Ampex while threading it through the head = assembly of
> an externally mounted and modified tape machine (a = Tandberg
> with a rotating playback head, a la VTR, I believe)= & back to the
> Ampex's take up reel. If the tape were stationary, = the sound at the
> rotating playback head could be sustained indefinit= ely. By adjusting
> the Ampex's tape speed (and perhaps, I'm not certai= n of this, the
> Tandberg's head speed) the required results were ac= heived. It
> did work (if after a fashion) and was used occasion= ally and was
> an exclusive selling point for Gotham at the time.<= /FONT>
> I think the reason a Tandberg was used was because = of its
> excellent audio and possibly the ease of modifying = the head
> arrangement.
> Now that my curiosity has been piqued I'll try to g= et further
> info from one of the other Gotham engineers with wh= om I'm
> in intermittent contact who should have more detail= s. If I learn
> anything additional, I'll post it here. Jack D.



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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=C/fQv/vVZWmDZbrSvswDl7OSGYNEyo5z4C4YNtfbKejYD5gOuBQGJ/jJMiAAiRfyzqUgiAV6wH5jo7duEnRkcXET2sx3vnbzFNXBE/ZCSpCbXYKhWpxpiBt9s/Sr3M//T/xV7hGfRq/wwRs1io2iJkNLuZbQDnPHbBdUrhmh7SA= ; Message-ID: <20050214153310.12309.qmail@web53705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:33:10 -0800 (PST) From: Monica Subject: RE: Aarset gear / Turkish sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00a601c512a6$80668280$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-532274132-1108395190=:11986" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-532274132-1108395190=:11986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wait...don't spend $35 for that cd...go to Amazon.de and get it for half price, incl. shipping. It's in German but all the prompts are identical to US Amazon. Then you'll want to get Connected and Electronique Noire...and the live bootlegs. Other Scandis to check out: Arve Henriksen, Tord Gustavsen Trio, Terje Isungset, Arne Nordheim, Jaga Jazzist, Biosphere,Xploding Plastix,etc... Hey Sim! : - ) ...Monica Krispen Hartung wrote: Thanks for sharing this Sim! I've been considering buying some of Eivind Aarset's works after an email conversation with Ted Killian on interesting Scandinavian avant-garde artists, in the likes of Terje Rypdal. I think I'll take the leap and buy Light Extracts, despite the high price from the US as an import - $35. ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: simeon harris [mailto:simeonharris@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Aarset gear / Turkish sound go here and listen to the clip of "sauna" (a few tantalising notes) http://www.nilspettermolvaer.com/ and also go here- http://www.hopper-management.com/artist.php?AR_ID=147 and watch the video of "dust kittens" this is all i could find that's public domain, i'm afraid... sim --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --0-532274132-1108395190=:11986 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Wait...don't spend $35 for that cd...go to Amazon.de and get it for half price, incl.
shipping. It's in German but all the prompts are identical to US Amazon.
Then you'll want to get Connected and Electronique Noire...and the live bootlegs.
Other Scandis to check out: Arve Henriksen, Tord Gustavsen Trio, Terje Isungset,
Arne Nordheim, Jaga Jazzist, Biosphere,Xploding Plastix,etc... Hey Sim! : - ) ...Monica

Krispen Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com> wrote:
Thanks for sharing this Sim! I've been considering buying some of Eivind
Aarset's works after an email conversation with Ted Killian on
interesting Scandinavian avant-garde artists, in the likes of Terje
Rypdal. I think I'll take the leap and buy Light Extracts, despite the
high price from the US as an import - $35.

************************************************************************
**************
Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com
View improvisational / real-time looping videos:
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht
m#videos
Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: simeon harris [mailto:simeonharris@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:15 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:Aarset gear / Turkish sound


go here and listen to the clip of "sauna" (a few tantalising notes)
http://www.nilspettermolvaer.com/

and also go here- http://www.hopper-management.com/artist.php?AR_ID=147
and
watch the video of "dust kittens"

this is all i could find that's public domain, i'm afraid...

sim



Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --0-532274132-1108395190=:11986-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 10:42:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EFet807425; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:40:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:40:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4210C5A7.9010700@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:37:11 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP SYNC Issues References: <200502140234.j1E2YUs22909@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200502140234.j1E2YUs22909@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim... I was suspecting some quantize feature being the cause this, or something weird signal being sent to my EDP via midi. Looks like there will be Loop IV upgrade in my near future! -jas http://dimbulb.org Albuquerque > > > At 03:06 PM 2/9/2005, Jason Fink wrote: > >> I have recently begun to sync my EDP with my comrades midi clock. > > > great! > >> It seems to work very well for a short period of time, then at some >> point >> when I press 'RECORD', instead of begining to record, I get 3 zeros >> on the >> display for a few seconds before commencing to record. Therefore it is >> not capturing the beginning of my loop (although it does play the >> chopped >> loop completly in sync). > > > It is quantizing the beginning of the Recording to the downbeat > defined by the midi clock. This is either because you are using > LoopIII version of the EDP software, and that is the way it always > works. Or you are using LoopIV software and you have Quantize turned on. > > With LoopIV you can also use sync without quantize, which allows you > the freedom to start recording at any time, and when you end recording > it rounds off to the correct length and keeps you in sync. This is > nice for music that may start without an obvious downbeat, or where > you don't want to be aligned to downbeat of the measure. It sounds > like this is what you are wanting to do. > >> A soon as I unplug the midi cable from the EDP, 'Record' goes back >> to functioning >> as I expect it should. Plug it back in, the 3 zeros appear upon >> pressing 'Record'. >> Powering down the unit does not seem to help during the same session >> (although >> when I return the following week it does work properly for a short >> time, afterwhich >> the same old behavior returns). > > > Yes, that is normal. When it recognizes that sync signals are present, > it begins syncing. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 10:57:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EFtl609580; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:55:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:55:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c512ad$87536980$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050214140304.02b402e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Subject: For your listening amusement Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:48:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopy people, I've been doing loopy soundscapes for a few months and recording some of it. I'd like some feedback (heh) on my last one. It overloaded in a few places so there's a touch of unintentional distortion. :( ah well. Brutal honesty is appreciated. http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Singularity.mp3 Thanks, Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 10:58:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EFu0e09630; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:56:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:56:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050214153310.12309.qmail@web53705.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050214153310.12309.qmail@web53705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Aarset gear / Turkish sound Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:55:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com which bootlegs are those? On Feb 14, 2005, at 10:33 AM, Monica wrote: > Then you'll want to get Connected and Electronique Noire...and the > live bootlegs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 12:34:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EHWrf25156; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:32:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:32:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=cdTpGw000f6Lfq7yfBr9VtjIJ37P/r4mAx4Kwl3YGOIWaq1JFsCC+9Trb1xC5afUo1Xt8DPn7iaY5BDQCUV19hbmSpKr1Q6CgToyOxFUgi2mKU5RWYav6xbrC68ltFx3fj+vvVBp6RXVFIveQNul3TApjGwzMR2wj0/9kbwuI9U= ; Message-ID: <20050214173107.13727.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:31:07 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: stereo efx proccessor for acoustic guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009801c51245$42d3d730$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4T26i.A.XGG.kBOECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi gang, i am looking for a good stereo acoustic single rack efx proccessor that isnt over expensive,good converters,bypass,tap tempo,etc. there are the lexicon MPXseries and the alesis but there are just to many choices! any recomendations? Thanx Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 12:36:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EHYMN25307; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:34:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:34:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050214173236.22008.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:32:36 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: FW: MP3 Turn-Table/Record System To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006e01c510c0$39918310$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've seen a couple of vinyl controllers come out the last few years, but I've decided to thwart the black groovy stuff for the shiny rainbow colored discs. I've been using a Numark Axis 9 with great success for a few years. So much so I want to upgrade to their higher end model. I know it feels nothing like vinyl, but as a guitarist I could care less. I find the feel really nice and it works great. Mark --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > For you DJ/scratcher/loopers, this is sort of cool. > It's a special > turntable and record to control a mp3 player on the > PC. I guess it > could be a money and space saver. Here's a video > demo: > > http://www.pcdj.com/Products/Dloads/scratchwmv.wmv > > K- > > ********************************* > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > View improvisational / real-time looping videos: > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht > m#videos > Interactive tour of my gear: > http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 12:51:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EHnUX27910; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:49:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:49:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <38a9248ca702ace85092369c743b4b44@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harrison Subject: Boss DD-20 resources tips? Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:48:51 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, Thanks for the good advice! I've already had a brief dabble, but I'm in the middle of juggling quite a few things at present & wondered as there's nothing yet on loopers delight main page, maybe someone had come across web pages, user groups devoted to this subject, so I could read up when not in music making mode. Cheers Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 13:04:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EI1tK30966; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:01:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:01:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=cA1NZLDrR2vzH6GxagB9H6WplygCQEc79Ngyl5RT0idrPl1ygbW0Bn69q1Drl/x4NT4na+iWKWnkCaVNtQbtlB2J5gBNoSt8S8NrTc+rbJwSIK9eQeVr9rqKT4Gji6kyWltmBqWFn42pEuwpPi+IfDB573jT9x76XyXnsfMW63w= ; Message-ID: <20050214180023.16990.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:00:23 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Klangumwandler/Eltro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200502141517.j1EFHrh04320@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <41xMFD.A.ohH.wdOECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I have searched instead on the old interweb for mention of a device I knew as "eltro". Thanks Duncan, that's exactly what I was describing. Never heard it called the "Eltro" though the term "Klangumwandler" may indeed have been an electronic device whose name was sloppily applied to the rotating head unit. Now I wonder if the concept was ever realised in a relatively high quality way... Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 13:30:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EISnC02725; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:28:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:28:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:28:13 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: For your listening amusement To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002101c512ad$87536980$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really liked the choice of sounds and textures... but for an ambient soundscape I found it busy to the point of distraction. Trust me, I know this topic... becaues it's one of my biggest issues with my own music! I've found that what I "feel" is a good amount of activity is often way way way too much and I need to play about 1/4 the amount. A few techniques I've found that work well to "thin" out my playing are to take frequent breaks during a performance while really listening to and enjoying the current loop. Spend some time tweaking the loop with a performance orientated effects processor like an Alesis AirFX. Another good technique is take a nice slow but beautiful movie or scene and score it in real time. You'll be surprised how little you need to do to make a great composition. Mark --- Tony K wrote: > Hello Loopy people, > > I've been doing loopy soundscapes for a few months > and recording some of it. > I'd like some feedback (heh) on my last one. > It overloaded in a few places so there's a touch of > unintentional > distortion. :( ah well. > > Brutal honesty is appreciated. > > http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Singularity.mp3 > > Thanks, > > Tony > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 13:47:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EIjMC06491; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:45:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:45:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1b9.d22edb8.2f424b6a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:43:54 EST Subject: Re: Re: Aarset gear / Turkish sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1b9.d22edb8.2f424b6a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <0kI49B.A.PfB.zFPECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1b9.d22edb8.2f424b6a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, There are 2 versions of Nils Petter Molvaer's "Khmer" out there. If you can find it I would highly recommend the 2-disc version -- the extra disc of which has some interesting remixes of tracks from disc 1. It's worth hunting down and acquiring. "Solid Either" is aso excellent. I took both of these albums on the car trip south from Oregon to the NAMM show in Anaheim and enjoyed them terrifically. I am only guessing at how Aarset might be producing the"turkish guitar" sound ont the web excerpts posted here. But from listening to the short c lip I'd guess it's eBow on some frettless guitar (or even an electric oud of some sort) -- along with some other processing. I met up with a bass-playing buddy down at the NAMM show who has taken a passionate interest in the oud (essentially a Turkish frettless lute with 11 strings). He took me by one booth and showed me some of the instruments this one importer was displaying. There was even a solid-body electric oud. I have no gift for such things, but my bass-playing firend picked up several of the display pieces and could play very pleasant, exotic, and nonetheless convincing stuff on them. He even went back and bought one of the nicer ouds durring the latter part of the show. Anywho, its very easy for me to imagine how the the electrified timbre of one of those things would sound. I am given to understand that our own David Torn (who hasn't posted here in over a year) is into playing ouds and such too. I wonder if he's lurking out there anywhere. BTW, Robby Aceto posted just the other day. Hey Robbie!!! Get DT on the line wouldja! I bet he could tell us loads about this stuff -- among many other things. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1b9.d22edb8.2f424b6a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

There are 2 versions of Nils Petter Molvaer's "Khmer" out there.
If you can find it I would highly recommend the 2-disc version -- the
extra disc of which has some interesting remixes of tracks from disc 1.
It's worth hunting down and acquiring. "Solid Either" is aso excellent.
I took both of these albums on the car trip south from Oregon to
the NAMM show in Anaheim and enjoyed them terrifically.

I am only guessing at how Aarset might be producing the"turkish guitar"
sound ont the web excerpts posted here. But from listening to the short c lip I'd guess it's eBow on some frettless guitar (or even an electric oud of some sort) -- along with some other processing.

I met up with a bass-playing buddy down at the NAMM show who has
taken a passionate interest in the oud (essentially a Turkish frettless
lute with 11 strings). He took me by one booth and showed me some
of the instruments this one importer was displaying. There was even
a solid-body electric oud.

I have no gift for such things, but my bass-playing firend picked up
several of the display pieces and could play very pleasant, exotic,
and nonetheless convincing stuff on them. He even went back and
bought one of the nicer ouds durring the latter part of the show.

Anywho, its very easy for me to imagine how the the electrified
timbre of one of those things would sound. I am given to understand
that our own David Torn (who hasn't posted here in over a year)
is into playing ouds and such too. I wonder if he's lurking out
there anywhere.

BTW, Robby Aceto posted just the other day. Hey Robbie!!! Get DT
on the line wouldja! I bet he could tell us loads about this stuff --
among many other things.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_1b9.d22edb8.2f424b6a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 13:53:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EIqOg08110; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:52:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:52:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-20751-1108407026-0001-2" Message-Id: <4210F2F9.000091.03756@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:50:33 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: For your listening amusement X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-20751-1108407026-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-20751-1108407026-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-20751-1108407026-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D I have this same issue! I listen to the tracks so much while working with them I start to find them too sparse and what to add a little more flare.= =2E. then, after putting them away for a while, I discover I added too much... leaving the ambient soundscape for a contextual one. =0D =0D =0D =0D I wish someone will build a meter for that!=0D =0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 02/14/05 10:28:33=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: For your listening amusement=0D =0D I really liked the choice of sounds and textures...=0D but for an ambient soundscape I found it busy to the=0D point of distraction. Trust me, I know this topic...=0D becaues it's one of my biggest issues with my own=0D music! I've found that what I "feel" is a good amount=0D of activity is often way way way too much and I need=0D to play about 1/4 the amount.=0D =0D A few techniques I've found that work well to "thin"=0D out my playing are to take frequent breaks during a=0D performance while really listening to and enjoying the=0D current loop. Spend some time tweaking the loop with=0D a performance orientated effects processor like an=0D Alesis AirFX. Another good technique is take a nice=0D slow but beautiful movie or scene and score it in real=0D time. You'll be surprised how little you need to do=0D to make a great composition.=0D =0D Mark=0D =0D =0D --- Tony K wrote:=0D =0D > Hello Loopy people,=0D >=0D > I've been doing loopy soundscapes for a few months=0D > and recording some of it.=0D > I'd like some feedback (heh) on my last one.=0D > It overloaded in a few places so there's a touch of=0D > unintentional=0D > distortion. :( ah well.=0D >=0D > Brutal honesty is appreciated.=0D >=0D > http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Singularity.mp3=0D >=0D > Thanks,=0D >=0D > Tony=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D =20 --=_flawless.real.com-20751-1108407026-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I have this same issue! I listen t= o the tracks so much while working with them I start to find them too spa= rse and what to add a little more flare....then, after putting them away = for a while, I discover I added too much....leaving the ambient soundscap= e for a contextual one.
 
I wish someone will build a meter for that!
 
 
Date: 02/14/05 10:= 28:33
Subject: Re: For y= our listening amusement
 
I really liked the choice of sounds and textures...
but for an ambient soundscape I found it busy to the
point of distraction.  Trust me, I know this topic...
becaues it's one of my biggest issues with my own
music!  I've found that what I "feel" is a good amount
of activity is often way way way too much and I need
to play about 1/4 the amount.
 
A few techniques I've found that work well to "thin"
out my playing are to take frequent breaks during a
performance while really listening to and enjoying the
current loop.  Spend some time tweaking the loop with
a performance orientated effects processor like an
Alesis AirFX.  Another good technique is take a nice
slow but beautiful movie or scene and score it in real
time.  You'll be surprised how little you need to do
to make a great composition.
 
Mark
 
 
--- Tony K <bigtony@softh= ome.net> wrote:
 
> Hello Loopy people,
>
> I've been doing loopy soundscapes for a few months
> and recording some of it.
> I'd like some feedback (heh) on my last one.
> It overloaded in a few places so there's a touch of
> unintentional
> distortion. :(  ah well.
>
> Brutal honesty is appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony
>
>
>
 
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Thanks, Rafael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 14:02:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EJ0O311330; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:00:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:00:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:03:36 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: For your listening amusement In-Reply-To: <4210F2F9.000091.03756@A7V266E-XP-USER> Message-ID: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <4210F2F9.000091.03756@A7V266E-XP-USER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, Sony Felberg wrote: > I have this same issue! I listen to the tracks so much while working with > them I start to find them too sparse and what to add a little more flare... > then, after putting them away for a while, I discover I added too much... > leaving the ambient soundscape for a contextual one. > > > > I wish someone will build a meter for that! I believe that Picasso once said that every artist needs an assistant to stand behind him holding a hammer. When the artist is finished with their current work, the assistant's job is to hit the artist over the head with a hammer and stop them from ruining the work. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: 02/14/05 10:28:33 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: For your listening amusement > > I really liked the choice of sounds and textures... > but for an ambient soundscape I found it busy to the > point of distraction. Trust me, I know this topic... > becaues it's one of my biggest issues with my own > music! I've found that what I "feel" is a good amount > of activity is often way way way too much and I need > to play about 1/4 the amount. > > A few techniques I've found that work well to "thin" > out my playing are to take frequent breaks during a > performance while really listening to and enjoying the > current loop. Spend some time tweaking the loop with > a performance orientated effects processor like an > Alesis AirFX. Another good technique is take a nice > slow but beautiful movie or scene and score it in real > time. You'll be surprised how little you need to do > to make a great composition. > > Mark > > > --- Tony K wrote: > > > Hello Loopy people, > > > > I've been doing loopy soundscapes for a few months > > and recording some of it. > > I'd like some feedback (heh) on my last one. > > It overloaded in a few places so there's a touch of > > unintentional > > distortion. :( ah well. > > > > Brutal honesty is appreciated. > > > > http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Singularity.mp3 > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 14:06:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EJ2tr12040; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:02:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:02:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=OHmWDczL/kGpR581Fdn9AbiQF2AvdlT3RY76ECuw42Ev0ZfgzM3gemJS/1Fmk8qd4XLFsDFwCjfWcVGvSJqVfQ3yBFrv6ktC6stsC6pu3+x76G9dE26WflAn8GqTr73hz4LTDYIgzd3a4gymJgjEDLwacB8vaogoAchG6IvM0ZQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:02:14 -0800 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DIGEST In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Its all right here: http://www.loopersdelight.com/list/LoopList.html You'll have to unsubscribe from the regular list. On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:58:11 -0500, Rafael_Cohen@prusec.com wrote: > > > Hi list, > > How do I get subscribed to the digest instead of receiving every email? > > Thanks, > Rafael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 14:12:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EJA9C14068; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:10:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:10:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1db.35a86884.2f425164@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:09:24 EST Subject: Re: For your listening amusement To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1db.35a86884.2f425164_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1db.35a86884.2f425164_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy, In a message dated 02/14/05 11:00:26, burnett@pobox.com writes: > I believe that Picasso once said that every artist needs an assistant to > stand behind him holding a hammer. When the artist is finished with their > current work, the assistant's job is to hit the artist over the head with > a hammer and stop them from ruining the work. >=20 That is good. Verry good . . . and too true. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1db.35a86884.2f425164_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy,

In a message dated 02/14/05 11:00:26, burnett@pobox.com writes:

I believe that Picass= o once said that every artist needs an assistant to
stand behind him holding a hammer. When the artist is finished with their current work, the assistant's job is to hit the artist over the head with a hammer and stop them from ruining the work.

That is good. Verry good . . . and too true.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

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 --part1_1db.35a86884.2f425164_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 14:22:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EJKXe16215; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:20:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:20:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.90,84,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="7288555:sNHT39853736" Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.10 March 22, 2002 Message-ID: From: Rafael_Cohen@prusec.com Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:19:34 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 02/14/2005 02:19:38 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2005 19:19:39.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[2114C430:01C512CA] Resent-Message-ID: <4miLID.A.66D.RnPECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I am on the fence about getting this item. I have played with them a little and I know it would be a lot of fun, but I feel like if it only had a FEW extra features it would be awesome. As far as I'm concerned, they could drop more than half of the cheesy reverbs and filters in this thing and make room for MIDI-synced (or even BPM-synced) sample triggering and overdubbing of samples, then I would get this in a second. Anyone have any words of wisdom? Rafael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 14:22:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EJKrQ16388; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:20:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:20:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-4764-1108408822-0001-2" Message-Id: <4210F9FE.000094.03756@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:20:30 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: For your listening amusement X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-4764-1108408822-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-4764-1108408822-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-4764-1108408822-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D Tony,=0D I love the work....thank you for the coffee break. My favorite segmen= t was 13 - 15 minutes. The sonic/tone mood is nicely interrupted with a disturbing tone....I like that link of stuff. =0D I agree, you are too contextual/orchestrated to be hard core ambient.= I always keep in mind why my wife hates ambient....cause it's the same sequence over and over without change. Don't let this get you down....it'= s a great work, well mixed. Next time....don't work so hard:)=0D Did you use any old Juno sounds? =0D =0D =0D =0D SE Help=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi =0D Helix Server Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil =0D Real Producer Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil = =0D Encoding Specs (dynamic tool)=0D http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls=0D Free Player URL=0D http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/=0D Enterprise Player Guide =0D http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide.htm=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 02/14/05 10:28:33=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: For your listening amusement=0D =0D I really liked the choice of sounds and textures...=0D but for an ambient soundscape I found it busy to the=0D point of distraction. Trust me, I know this topic...=0D becaues it's one of my biggest issues with my own=0D music! I've found that what I "feel" is a good amount=0D of activity is often way way way too much and I need=0D to play about 1/4 the amount.=0D =0D A few techniques I've found that work well to "thin"=0D out my playing are to take frequent breaks during a=0D performance while really listening to and enjoying the=0D current loop. Spend some time tweaking the loop with=0D a performance orientated effects processor like an=0D Alesis AirFX. Another good technique is take a nice=0D slow but beautiful movie or scene and score it in real=0D time. You'll be surprised how little you need to do=0D to make a great composition.=0D =0D Mark=0D =0D =0D --- Tony K wrote:=0D =0D > Hello Loopy people,=0D >=0D > I've been doing loopy soundscapes for a few months=0D > and recording some of it.=0D > I'd like some feedback (heh) on my last one.=0D > It overloaded in a few places so there's a touch of=0D > unintentional=0D > distortion. :( ah well.=0D >=0D > Brutal honesty is appreciated.=0D >=0D > http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Singularity.mp3=0D >=0D > Thanks,=0D >=0D > Tony=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D =20 --=_flawless.real.com-4764-1108408822-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 Tony,
    I love the work....thank you for the coffee break= =2E My favorite segment was 13 - 15 minutes. The sonic/tone mood is nicel= y interrupted with a disturbing tone....I like that link of stu= ff.
    I agree, you are too contextual/orchestrated to b= e hard core ambient. I always keep in mind why my wife hates ambient....c= ause it's the same sequence over and over without change. Don't let = this get you down....it's a great work, well mixed. Next time....don't wo= rk so hard:)
    Did you use any old Juno sounds?   = ;
 
 
 
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-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 02/14/05 10:= 28:33
Subject: Re: For y= our listening amusement
 
I really liked the choice of sounds and textures...
but for an ambient soundscape I found it busy to the
point of distraction.  Trust me, I know this topic...
becaues it's one of my biggest issues with my own
music!  I've found that what I "feel" is a good amount
of activity is often way way way too much and I need
to play about 1/4 the amount.
 
A few techniques I've found that work well to "thin"
out my playing are to take frequent breaks during a
performance while really listening to and enjoying the
current loop.  Spend some time tweaking the loop with
a performance orientated effects processor like an
Alesis AirFX.  Another good technique is take a nice
slow but beautiful movie or scene and score it in real
time.  You'll be surprised how little you need to do
to make a great composition.
 
Mark
 
 
--- Tony K <bigtony@softh= ome.net> wrote:
 
> Hello Loopy people,
>
> I've been doing loopy soundscapes for a few months
> and recording some of it.
> I'd like some feedback (heh) on my last one.
> It overloaded in a few places so there's a touch of
> unintentional
> distortion. :(  ah well.
>
> Brutal honesty is appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony
>
>
>
 
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I had a motto in college "work on it until it's ruined." Mark > I believe that Picasso once said that every artist > needs an assistant to > stand behind him holding a hammer. When the artist > is finished with their > current work, the assistant's job is to hit the > artist over the head with > a hammer and stop them from ruining the work. > > best, > Steve B > Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > > From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: 02/14/05 10:28:33 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: For your listening amusement > > > > I really liked the choice of sounds and > textures... > > but for an ambient soundscape I found it busy to > the > > point of distraction. Trust me, I know this > topic... > > becaues it's one of my biggest issues with my own > > music! I've found that what I "feel" is a good > amount > > of activity is often way way way too much and I > need > > to play about 1/4 the amount. > > > > A few techniques I've found that work well to > "thin" > > out my playing are to take frequent breaks during > a > > performance while really listening to and enjoying > the > > current loop. Spend some time tweaking the loop > with > > a performance orientated effects processor like an > > Alesis AirFX. Another good technique is take a > nice > > slow but beautiful movie or scene and score it in > real > > time. You'll be surprised how little you need to > do > > to make a great composition. > > > > Mark > > > > > > --- Tony K wrote: > > > > > Hello Loopy people, > > > > > > I've been doing loopy soundscapes for a few > months > > > and recording some of it. > > > I'd like some feedback (heh) on my last one. > > > It overloaded in a few places so there's a touch > of > > > unintentional > > > distortion. :( ah well. > > > > > > Brutal honesty is appreciated. > > > > > > > http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Singularity.mp3 > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tony > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 14:32:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EJUtl19037; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:30:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:30:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050214193001.31923.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:30:01 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I love mine. While not all the effects sound good on all material, the fact that you can control them with the pad makes most of them jems in my book. Remember they're trying to make a device that comes in at a certain price. Mark --- Rafael_Cohen@prusec.com wrote: > > Hi all, > I am on the fence about getting this item. I have > played with them a > little and I know it would be a lot of fun, but I > feel like if it only had > a FEW extra features it would be awesome. As far as > I'm concerned, they > could drop more than half of the cheesy reverbs and > filters in this thing > and make room for MIDI-synced (or even BPM-synced) > sample triggering and > overdubbing of samples, then I would get this in a > second. Anyone have any > words of wisdom? > Rafael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 14:38:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EJbse20814; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:37:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:37:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4c39d42a21ee9bdd053a605c45080a78@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: a usable laptop set-up (audio clip) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:37:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3QLBk.A.j8E.93PECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Friends, When Pluggo 3.5 arrived last week I found two plug-ins that I like very much. Interestingly they are both marked "by jhno". It seems Cycling 74 has optimized the code even more with this version (?) because I'm now able to loop live on just my powerbook using Augustus Loop and Pluggo under Live 4. Here are two quick improvisations I did this afternoon: http://www.looproom.com/powerbook/ I must say I'm very happy with the Pluggo sound! So far I have only tried it out with a guitar but I will investigate it with other instruments a.s.a.p. This laptop set-up swallows about 40 percent of the 1,25 MB powerbook's CPU power. When I'm running the two Augustus loopers combined with Stylus RMX it goes between 40 an 70 percent, depending on how many parts of the RMX drums I'm running. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 14:38:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EJajK19980; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:36:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:36:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050214193600.70125.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:36:00 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: (OT) Automated MIDI switcher? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050214180023.16990.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, while this is OT, I am using all this gear to get midi synced loops, so it's somewhat on topic... I spent a lot of yesterday putting my studio back together, and I realized that my MIDI setup is ridiculous. My issues are multiple controllers and devices that have different setups for different applications. While all getting midi clock... from my sequencer... or my computer... Anyway, it's a mess. Works though. Is there a product like the Switchblade that does really good automated MIDI switching? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 14:40:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EJd5521265; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:39:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:39:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4210FE45.4080508@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:38:45 +0000 From: "steve@steve-lawson.co.uk" Reply-To: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kaoss Pad II References: <200502141922.j1EJMlF17267@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200502141922.j1EJMlF17267@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I am on the fence about getting this item. I have played with them a little and I know it would be a lot of fun, but I feel like if it only had a FEW extra features it would be awesome. As far as I'm concerned, they could drop more than half of the cheesy reverbs and filters in this thing and make room for MIDI-synced (or even BPM-synced) sample triggering and overdubbing of samples, then I would get this in a second. Anyone have any words of wisdom?<<<< I agree that the Kaoss idea could be done with a few more features (I'd like a socket for an expression pedal assignable to a third parameter, and one for a record button for the loops, as well as more loop time), but for the money, I think the KPII is great - there's a lot in it that I've yet to get into in a big way, but I really like the tactile nature of it, and the ability to randomise processing with it... Steve www.stevelawson.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 14:49:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EJld322712; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:47:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:47:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=GBpiYGzWizpPllFFYgzFnm14dxFaKggAZNnSgdsGQVWhUDrO3j5wW681ng/dG2XCNm3ki1dnTsY/tToEF6EMDiYh2iX/6SxTYaxRikIj//P5Em7TPx4EQVknMEsBFNpfb/Z7hnqpfdgL1WUA0uixFiIT7Fp8ERTBmPgFgN/kYUM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:46:18 -0800 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a usable laptop set-up (audio clip) In-Reply-To: <4c39d42a21ee9bdd053a605c45080a78@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4c39d42a21ee9bdd053a605c45080a78@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is the static I hear comeing from the recording or my speakers? The highs are getting a bit staticy. On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:37:26 +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Friends, > > When Pluggo 3.5 arrived last week I found two plug-ins that I like very > much. Interestingly they are both marked "by jhno". It seems Cycling 74 > has optimized the code even more with this version (?) because I'm now > able to loop live on just my powerbook using Augustus Loop and Pluggo > under Live 4. Here are two quick improvisations I did this afternoon: > > http://www.looproom.com/powerbook/ > > I must say I'm very happy with the Pluggo sound! So far I have only > tried it out with a guitar but I will investigate it with other > instruments a.s.a.p. This laptop set-up swallows about 40 percent of > the 1,25 MB powerbook's CPU power. When I'm running the two Augustus > loopers combined with Stylus RMX it goes between 40 an 70 percent, > depending on how many parts of the RMX drums I'm running. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 14:51:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EJn4q22883; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:49:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:49:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:45:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c260965dfed5d22db3e2e0ccb2815f17a45f693caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tony, I listened and I found the comp wanting nothing and found the title quite proper for the sonic result. Very, very good! I have found that a lot of the people on this mailing list really don't understand music. They understand machines, popular "music," multimedia and other things wrapped up in technology but music no. So I would take what everyone says here with a grain or a load of salt. A while back I gave a series of compositions to one of these people and his brother for their amusement and because the primary function of the stuff was music, I heard nothing from them. They don't understand music as an organic growing thing, they understand it as part of a social order that they grew up with. This I know because I heard them. As good as they are I heard nothing new what-so-ever. So when confronted with something that they haven't heard before they were silent. What I mean to say is that music has a life beyond classifiers like popular and technology. It is pure expression without the need for monikers. We have a lot of highly intelligent people here who are schooled and well read but treat their music like vestiges of their teenage years and nothing beyond that. When I say they don't understand music I mean it. They have no historical perspective at all and believe me that is need in the music arts as it is in any other. How the hell do you know when you're being a "rebel" if you know nothing about what you're "rebelling" against. There are no rebels here. I read these emails from time to time most of the time I just delete them because of the banal content, people thinking they're really. really cutting edge and they are just not. I may get a kick out of something here someday but I attended Y2K4, did a really horrible performance myself but I am sure that I made sounds that I hadn't heard before based on the chaos of all of the crappy gear that was meant to represent me. Is a paint brush gear? Is a vibrating string gear? Gear, gear so what if there is no electricity? Technology has made musicians out of lawyers and bakers? No. At least not in my book. As well, a person playing in a orchestra is not the same caliber creator as some of the Loopers. I always thought that being a musician had something to do with creation and with some orchestra musicians, you take the sheet music away and they order a pizza. There was a time in classical music when everyone improvised. Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some historical perspective. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 15:08:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EK6ad26995; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:06:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:06:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=K2/AWrFJ0rCXvXX5keHzIErMb6lBpcMC+h35tVIejr4mJNHFAzCtin1uMISxriCqY1xn24xHBUo5CeVJoJIL8gca4Mhqhpa1m/ISNI69zJhSd/dDZ2IPL0ajTLm3octYrpT1ZpNhuUhAfpsog3fSABWTndAoJrLe9qWoBUmZITw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:05:32 -0800 From: biz Reply-To: biz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Musicians Wanted In-Reply-To: <64780e5413aac175cede298d88416f12@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <64780e5413aac175cede298d88416f12@sprintmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Personally, I don't find applause as gratifying as the sudden sound of everyone in the room simultaneously stopping what they are doing to check you out. -- bIz ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- wrapped up in technology but music no. > > So I would take what everyone says here with a grain or a load of salt. > > A while back I gave a series of compositions to one of these people and > his brother for their amusement and because the primary function of the > stuff was music, I heard nothing from them. They don't understand > music as an organic growing thing, they understand it as part of a > social order that they grew up with. This I know because I heard them. > As good as they are I heard nothing new what-so-ever. So when > confronted with something that they haven't heard before they were > silent. > > What I mean to say is that music has a life beyond classifiers like > popular and technology. It is pure expression without the need for > monikers. > > We have a lot of highly intelligent people here who are schooled and > well read but treat their music like vestiges of their teenage years > and nothing beyond that. When I say they don't understand music I mean > it. They have no historical perspective at all and believe me that is > need in the music arts as it is in any other. How the hell do you know > when you're being a "rebel" if you know nothing about what you're > "rebelling" against. > > There are no rebels here. I read these emails from time to time most > of the time I just delete them because of the banal content, people > thinking they're really. really cutting edge and they are just not. > > I may get a kick out of something here someday but I attended Y2K4, did > a really horrible performance myself but I am sure that I made sounds > that I hadn't heard before based on the chaos of all of the crappy gear > that was meant to represent me. > > Is a paint brush gear? Is a vibrating string gear? Gear, gear so what > if there is no electricity? Technology has made musicians out of > lawyers and bakers? No. At least not in my book. > > As well, a person playing in a orchestra is not the same caliber > creator as some of the Loopers. I always thought that being a musician > had something to do with creation and with some orchestra musicians, > you take the sheet music away and they order a pizza. There was a time > in classical music when everyone improvised. > > Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some > historical perspective. > > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 15:30:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EKSph29789; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:28:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:28:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421109E5.8050505@neoprimitive.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:28:21 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79175e03c0c361373f95095c4131af8d87350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: <5PggGD.A.QQH.anQECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, come on, Ler. What a load of crap. -J Joey wrote: > This is the biggest SHIT post I have read on this list in a while. Get > over yourself. > > > On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:45:47 -0800, Larry Cooperman > wrote: > >>Hi Tony, >> >>I listened and I found the comp wanting nothing and found the title >>quite proper for the sonic result. Very, very good! >> >>I have found that a lot of the people on this mailing list really don't >>understand music. >> >>They understand machines, popular "music," multimedia and other things >>wrapped up in technology but music no. >> >>So I would take what everyone says here with a grain or a load of salt. >> >>A while back I gave a series of compositions to one of these people and >>his brother for their amusement and because the primary function of the >>stuff was music, I heard nothing from them. They don't understand >>music as an organic growing thing, they understand it as part of a >>social order that they grew up with. This I know because I heard them. >> As good as they are I heard nothing new what-so-ever. So when >>confronted with something that they haven't heard before they were >>silent. >> >>What I mean to say is that music has a life beyond classifiers like >>popular and technology. It is pure expression without the need for >>monikers. >> >>We have a lot of highly intelligent people here who are schooled and >>well read but treat their music like vestiges of their teenage years >>and nothing beyond that. When I say they don't understand music I mean >>it. They have no historical perspective at all and believe me that is >>need in the music arts as it is in any other. How the hell do you know >>when you're being a "rebel" if you know nothing about what you're >>"rebelling" against. >> >>There are no rebels here. I read these emails from time to time most >>of the time I just delete them because of the banal content, people >>thinking they're really. really cutting edge and they are just not. >> >>I may get a kick out of something here someday but I attended Y2K4, did >>a really horrible performance myself but I am sure that I made sounds >>that I hadn't heard before based on the chaos of all of the crappy gear >>that was meant to represent me. >> >>Is a paint brush gear? Is a vibrating string gear? Gear, gear so what >>if there is no electricity? Technology has made musicians out of >>lawyers and bakers? No. At least not in my book. >> >>As well, a person playing in a orchestra is not the same caliber >>creator as some of the Loopers. I always thought that being a musician >>had something to do with creation and with some orchestra musicians, >>you take the sheet music away and they order a pizza. There was a time >>in classical music when everyone improvised. >> >>Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some >>historical perspective. >> >>Larry Cooperman >>New Millennium Guitar >>http://www.newmillguitar.com >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 15:37:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EKZ1230961; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:35:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:35:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.90,84,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="777858240:sNHT13783952" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050214192645.67719.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050214192645.67719.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: For your listening amusement Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:34:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Enjoyed it here, mostly..."soundscapes" don't need to be "ambient" to suit me, and I wasn't looking for an ambient experience, or anything except interest. I found it had a very engaging density and it was inventive and mercurial enough to kept my attention very nicely; thanks! More subjectivity: The inclusion of last few minutes, the bits after the little gap, disturbed the focus I'd been enjoying up to that point. The last stuff sounded like a more or less random grab from a longer session, and seemed to me to reinforce the idea that everything that had proceeded it was more randomly created than it felt like at the time. For me, this was unfortunate, but maybe it was intentional? dc On Feb 14, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Tony K wrote: >>> --- Tony K wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Loopy people, >>>> >>>> I've been doing loopy soundscapes for a few >> months From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 15:43:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EKehx32060; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:40:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:40:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:39:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Larry, if you are taking pot shots at me or my brother, why don't you just come out and say it rather than imply it? The truth is I haven't gotten around to listening to your CD, not for any reason other than I haven't gotten around to it.. Another thing is I personally don't offer critiques to people unless they ask for them. I'm sorry you had your feelings hurt because neither of us gave you a rave review, but that is your problem. As I recall, you were welcomed with open arms at Y2K, I even helped you hump your mountain of gear, and sat through your whole set which I did find interesting, even though I didn't appreciate all your sour grapes whining about your new mountain of gear, how much it cost and how frustrating it was to learn how to operate it. I also take exception to your disparaging remarks about the looping community in general, which you seem to view as some kind of exclusive fraternity. Which it most certainly isn't. You've got a big chip on your shoulder Larry, and if you think you are so above everyone else on this list in terms of musical sophistication and historical perspective I suggest you find another list to rail against. Here are a couple of quotes you might enjoy that I think are highly relevant to you. "competition is for Horses" -Bela Bartok "check your ego at the door" -Quincy Jones Shame on you Larry, Bill Walker -----Original Message----- From: Larry Cooperman [mailto:coop@newmillguitar.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hi Tony, I listened and I found the comp wanting nothing and found the title quite proper for the sonic result. Very, very good! I have found that a lot of the people on this mailing list really don't understand music. They understand machines, popular "music," multimedia and other things wrapped up in technology but music no. So I would take what everyone says here with a grain or a load of salt. A while back I gave a series of compositions to one of these people and his brother for their amusement and because the primary function of the stuff was music, I heard nothing from them. They don't understand music as an organic growing thing, they understand it as part of a social order that they grew up with. This I know because I heard them. As good as they are I heard nothing new what-so-ever. So when confronted with something that they haven't heard before they were silent. What I mean to say is that music has a life beyond classifiers like popular and technology. It is pure expression without the need for monikers. We have a lot of highly intelligent people here who are schooled and well read but treat their music like vestiges of their teenage years and nothing beyond that. When I say they don't understand music I mean it. They have no historical perspective at all and believe me that is need in the music arts as it is in any other. How the hell do you know when you're being a "rebel" if you know nothing about what you're "rebelling" against. There are no rebels here. I read these emails from time to time most of the time I just delete them because of the banal content, people thinking they're really. really cutting edge and they are just not. I may get a kick out of something here someday but I attended Y2K4, did a really horrible performance myself but I am sure that I made sounds that I hadn't heard before based on the chaos of all of the crappy gear that was meant to represent me. Is a paint brush gear? Is a vibrating string gear? Gear, gear so what if there is no electricity? Technology has made musicians out of lawyers and bakers? No. At least not in my book. As well, a person playing in a orchestra is not the same caliber creator as some of the Loopers. I always thought that being a musician had something to do with creation and with some orchestra musicians, you take the sheet music away and they order a pizza. There was a time in classical music when everyone improvised. Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some historical perspective. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 15:47:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EKivF00311; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:44:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:44:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: For your listening amusement Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:43:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C51292.BA937BC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1db.35a86884.2f425164@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C51292.BA937BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Great quote Ted, I need a guy with a hammer. Bill -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: For your listening amusement Howdy, In a message dated 02/14/05 11:00:26, burnett@pobox.com writes: I believe that Picasso once said that every artist needs an assistant to stand behind him holding a hammer. When the artist is finished with their current work, the assistant's job is to hit the artist over the head with a hammer and stop them from ruining the work. That is good. Verry good . . . and too true. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C51292.BA937BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great=20 quote Ted,    I need a guy with a=20 hammer.
 
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: ArsOcarina@aol.com = [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 = 11:09=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 For your listening amusement

Howdy,

In a message dated 02/14/05 = 11:00:26,=20 burnett@pobox.com writes:

I believe that Picasso once said that every = artist needs=20 an assistant to
stand behind him holding a hammer. When the = artist is=20 finished with their
current work, the assistant's job is to hit = the=20 artist over the head with
a hammer and stop them from ruining the = work.

That is good. Verry good . . . and = too=20 true.

Best regards,

tEd =AE = kiLLiAn

"Different is not=20 always better, but better is always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're = an=20 artist."
 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C51292.BA937BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 15:54:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EKq8n01283; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:52:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:52:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--889478323 Message-Id: From: Harrison Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:50:24 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7yEf1B.A.LR.S8QECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--889478323 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I thought Larry raised many valid issues. Music not technology is paramount. Sometimes technology does 'hot-wire' musicians to achieve new and exciting results, but on the flip-side it can encourage techno heads & musical neophytes to think that they're making 'cutting-edge' music, when they no very little about music per se. However as this forum attracts both musicians seeking technical advice and technician types seeking musical advice I don't see much of a problem. Vive la difference! * Remember sometimes great musical ideas come from 'out of the blue' by untrained artists whilst shit can also come from the most educated. Kevin www.dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk http://www.cdbaby.com/kevinharrison On Feb 14, 2005, at 19:45, Larry Cooperman wrote: > > Hi Tony, > > I listened and I found the comp wanting nothing and found the title > quite proper for the sonic result. Very, very good! > > I have found that a lot of the people on this mailing list really > don't understand music. > > They understand machines, popular "music," multimedia and other things > wrapped up in technology but music no. > > So I would take what everyone says here with a grain or a load of salt. > > A while back I gave a series of compositions to one of these people > and his brother for their amusement and because the primary function > of the stuff was music, I heard nothing from them. They don't > understand music as an organic growing thing, they understand it as > part of a social order that they grew up with. This I know because I > heard them. As good as they are I heard nothing new what-so-ever. So > when confronted with something that they haven't heard before they > were silent. > > What I mean to say is that music has a life beyond classifiers like > popular and technology. It is pure expression without the need for > monikers. > > We have a lot of highly intelligent people here who are schooled and > well read but treat their music like vestiges of their teenage years > and nothing beyond that. When I say they don't understand music I > mean it. They have no historical perspective at all and believe me > that is need in the music arts as it is in any other. How the hell do > you know when you're being a "rebel" if you know nothing about what > you're "rebelling" against. > > There are no rebels here. I read these emails from time to time most > of the time I just delete them because of the banal content, people > thinking they're really. really cutting edge and they are just not. > > I may get a kick out of something here someday but I attended Y2K4, > did a really horrible performance myself but I am sure that I made > sounds that I hadn't heard before based on the chaos of all of the > crappy gear that was meant to represent me. > > Is a paint brush gear? Is a vibrating string gear? Gear, gear so > what if there is no electricity? Technology has made musicians out of > lawyers and bakers? No. At least not in my book. > > As well, a person playing in a orchestra is not the same caliber > creator as some of the Loopers. I always thought that being a > musician had something to do with creation and with some orchestra > musicians, you take the sheet music away and they order a pizza. > There was a time in classical music when everyone improvised. > > Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some > historical perspective. > > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk --Apple-Mail-2--889478323 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I thought Larry raised many valid issues. Music not technology is paramount. Sometimes technology does 'hot-wire' musicians to achieve new and exciting results, but on the flip-side it can encourage techno heads & musical neophytes to think that they're making 'cutting-edge' music, when they no very little about music per se. However as this forum attracts both musicians seeking technical advice and technician types seeking musical advice I don't see much of a problem. Vive la difference! * Remember sometimes great musical ideas come from 'out of the blue' by untrained artists whilst shit can also come from the most educated. Kevin www.dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk http://www.cdbaby.com/kevinharrison On Feb 14, 2005, at 19:45, Larry Cooperman wrote: Hi Tony, I listened and I found the comp wanting nothing and found the title quite proper for the sonic result. Very, very good! I have found that a lot of the people on this mailing list really don't understand music. They understand machines, popular "music," multimedia and other things wrapped up in technology but music no. So I would take what everyone says here with a grain or a load of salt. A while back I gave a series of compositions to one of these people and his brother for their amusement and because the primary function of the stuff was music, I heard nothing from them. They don't understand music as an organic growing thing, they understand it as part of a social order that they grew up with. This I know because I heard them. As good as they are I heard nothing new what-so-ever. So when confronted with something that they haven't heard before they were silent. What I mean to say is that music has a life beyond classifiers like popular and technology. It is pure expression without the need for monikers. We have a lot of highly intelligent people here who are schooled and well read but treat their music like vestiges of their teenage years and nothing beyond that. When I say they don't understand music I mean it. They have no historical perspective at all and believe me that is need in the music arts as it is in any other. How the hell do you know when you're being a "rebel" if you know nothing about what you're "rebelling" against. There are no rebels here. I read these emails from time to time most of the time I just delete them because of the banal content, people thinking they're really. really cutting edge and they are just not. I may get a kick out of something here someday but I attended Y2K4, did a really horrible performance myself but I am sure that I made sounds that I hadn't heard before based on the chaos of all of the crappy gear that was meant to represent me. Is a paint brush gear? Is a vibrating string gear? Gear, gear so what if there is no electricity? Technology has made musicians out of lawyers and bakers? No. At least not in my book. As well, a person playing in a orchestra is not the same caliber creator as some of the Loopers. I always thought that being a musician had something to do with creation and with some orchestra musicians, you take the sheet music away and they order a pizza. There was a time in classical music when everyone improvised. Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some historical perspective. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk --Apple-Mail-2--889478323-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 15:59:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EKvxN02244; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:57:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:57:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:00:53 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: For your listening amusement In-Reply-To: <1db.35a86884.2f425164@aol.com> Message-ID: References: <1db.35a86884.2f425164@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Howdy, > > In a message dated 02/14/05 11:00:26, burnett@pobox.com writes: > > > I believe that Picasso once said that every artist needs an assistant to > > stand behind him holding a hammer. When the artist is finished with their > > current work, the assistant's job is to hit the artist over the head with > > a hammer and stop them from ruining the work. > > > That is good. Verry good . . . and too true. > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn Ted: Thanks, I have no recollection at this time of where I encountered this quote so I can't verify its historical fact, but I've remembered it for a long time now. I have found pausing occasionally to reflect "Am I done?" to often be helpful. best regards right back, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 16:03:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EL17004474; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:01:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:01:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:03:32 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: For your listening amusement In-Reply-To: <20050214192645.67719.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050214192645.67719.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <3lGP1.A.dAB.AFRECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, mark sottilaro wrote: > Ha ha! I had a motto in college "work on it until > it's ruined." > > Mark I think that could also be a valid strategy :). I'll have to remember that one and try it. Thank you. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > I believe that Picasso once said that every artist > > needs an assistant to > > stand behind him holding a hammer. When the artist > > is finished with their > > current work, the assistant's job is to hit the > > artist over the head with > > a hammer and stop them from ruining the work. > > > > best, > > Steve B > > Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ > > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 16:08:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EL6ql05423; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:06:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:06:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:05:32 +0100 From: jan Subject: Re: a usable laptop set-up (audio clip) In-reply-to: <4c39d42a21ee9bdd053a605c45080a78@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <770daafa32657ca66ffd03101d9f5ff4@igmbergen.no> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed References: <4c39d42a21ee9bdd053a605c45080a78@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1EL5mS05292 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, nice looping : ) What is Pluggo, is it the "run Max/MSP plugins inside audiounit or vst host" or something else? And if it is Pluggo, what plugins does it run? Jan På 14. feb. 2005 kl. 20.37 skrev Per Boysen: > Hi Friends, > > When Pluggo 3.5 arrived last week I found two plug-ins that I like > very much. Interestingly they are both marked "by jhno". It seems > Cycling 74 has optimized the code even more with this version (?) > because I'm now able to loop live on just my powerbook using Augustus > Loop and Pluggo under Live 4. Here are two quick improvisations I did > this afternoon: > > http://www.looproom.com/powerbook/ > > I must say I'm very happy with the Pluggo sound! So far I have only > tried it out with a guitar but I will investigate it with other > instruments a.s.a.p. This laptop set-up swallows about 40 percent of > the 1,25 MB powerbook's CPU power. When I'm running the two Augustus > loopers combined with Stylus RMX it goes between 40 an 70 percent, > depending on how many parts of the RMX drums I'm running. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 16:20:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ELI3707114; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:18:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:18:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1208.12.202.55.206.1108415731.squirrel@webmail.sep.com> In-Reply-To: <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:15:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: From: tcombs@sep.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When you get down to it, all we're doing is entertaining people (even if it's just ourselves) at some level. Nobody's music is curing cancer here...all an overinflated ego does is spoil how his "masterpieces" are accepted by others. Kind of like finding out your favorite celebrities are complete jerks. If you want respect, you gotta give respect. > > Hi Tony, > > I listened and I found the comp wanting nothing and found the title > quite proper for the sonic result. Very, very good! > > I have found that a lot of the people on this mailing list really don't > understand music. > > They understand machines, popular "music," multimedia and other things > wrapped up in technology but music no. > > So I would take what everyone says here with a grain or a load of salt. > > A while back I gave a series of compositions to one of these people and > his brother for their amusement and because the primary function of the > stuff was music, I heard nothing from them. They don't understand > music as an organic growing thing, they understand it as part of a > social order that they grew up with. This I know because I heard them. > As good as they are I heard nothing new what-so-ever. So when > confronted with something that they haven't heard before they were > silent. > > What I mean to say is that music has a life beyond classifiers like > popular and technology. It is pure expression without the need for > monikers. > > We have a lot of highly intelligent people here who are schooled and > well read but treat their music like vestiges of their teenage years > and nothing beyond that. When I say they don't understand music I mean > it. They have no historical perspective at all and believe me that is > need in the music arts as it is in any other. How the hell do you know > when you're being a "rebel" if you know nothing about what you're > "rebelling" against. > > There are no rebels here. I read these emails from time to time most > of the time I just delete them because of the banal content, people > thinking they're really. really cutting edge and they are just not. > > I may get a kick out of something here someday but I attended Y2K4, did > a really horrible performance myself but I am sure that I made sounds > that I hadn't heard before based on the chaos of all of the crappy gear > that was meant to represent me. > > Is a paint brush gear? Is a vibrating string gear? Gear, gear so what > if there is no electricity? Technology has made musicians out of > lawyers and bakers? No. At least not in my book. > > As well, a person playing in a orchestra is not the same caliber > creator as some of the Loopers. I always thought that being a musician > had something to do with creation and with some orchestra musicians, > you take the sheet music away and they order a pizza. There was a time > in classical music when everyone improvised. > > Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some > historical perspective. > > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 16:27:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ELQ5C08493; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:26:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:26:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: For your listening amusement Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:28:01 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002101c512ad$87536980$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tony What follows is my very personal opinion, so you're welcome to completely ignore it. I think it is important that some idea can be grasped of what you intended to communicate with your piece. Some kind of feeling. I was not able to develop a consistent feeling. I think the reasons are the following: There are lots of meandering harmonies, yet they do not lead anywhere. It reminds me of the situation when you're in a music shop and in every corner someone is stepping through the presets of a synthesizer, each one with different abilities and different stuff they play. I think so much more can be said by just staying on one or two harmonies. The same applies for rhythm: There are so many different rhythms you only allude without developing them. Some sounds you use are sort of "iconic", e.g. one of them reminds me of the "Oh! Ah!" patch on the Korg M1. I think it is risky to use such sounds (as it is risky to put e.g. a famous comix character in a drawing). At 08:15 there's suddenly a sound of a different quality with a promising start. Yet it is immediately discarded. Around 08:53 there's some kind of sequenced pattern running. That, too, would be a promising start to take the whole piece in that direction. Also, it is discarded. Others have said it before: you've worked "too hard". I believe at any one moment in your piece you could take a snippet of 5 or 6 seconds and concentrate on that; try to slowly evolve that into something different, only by subtly tweaking this or that parameter. (Blaise Pascal would actually say you have not worked "hard enough". He is said to have written: "I have made this letter longer than usual, only because I have not had the time to make it shorter.") >From your piece I randomly looped the section between 4:57.634 and 5:04.830 and by letting it run for a while it started developing its own mood and atmosphere. This is one thing I love about looping: You really get a chance to tweak the "workpiece" in your loop. It turns round and round and with every turn you cut off a little here, add a bit there, and the funny thing is that your aim is not to reach "the perfect loop", but to enjoy the mere process of morphing seamlessly from here to there... So you have in fact sent seeds for around 200 different pieces that wait to be grown! Go for it! But, what I propose might as well only be what I'd do to your music to make it mine ;) Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] > Sent: Montag, 14. Februar 2005 16:48 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: For your listening amusement > > > Hello Loopy people, > > I've been doing loopy soundscapes for a few months and recording > some of it. > I'd like some feedback (heh) on my last one. > It overloaded in a few places so there's a touch of unintentional > distortion. :( ah well. > > Brutal honesty is appreciated. > > http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Singularity.mp3 > > Thanks, > > Tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 16:31:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ELUl409573; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:30:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:30:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1208.12.202.55.206.1108415731.squirrel@webmail.sep.com> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <1208.12.202.55.206.1108415731.squirrel@webmail.sep.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:23:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:15 PM -0500 2/14/05, tcombs@sep.com wrote: >Nobody's music is curing cancer Mine is. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 16:38:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ELaBi10792; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:36:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:36:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <770daafa32657ca66ffd03101d9f5ff4@igmbergen.no> References: <4c39d42a21ee9bdd053a605c45080a78@boysen.se> <770daafa32657ca66ffd03101d9f5ff4@igmbergen.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <35ef251dff22bf88a82c30b4debadedb@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: a usable laptop set-up (audio clip) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:34:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6FTVR.A.NkC.glRECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 14, 2005, at 22:05, jan wrote: > Hi Per, nice looping : ) > > What is Pluggo, is it the "run Max/MSP plugins inside audiounit or vst > host" or something else? Pluggo was created with Max, as far as my historical perspective goes (!), but those plug-ins can run both as AU and VST. I think they are now also available as VST for Windows machines (not completely sure about that, but you can check it out at their web site www.cycling74.com) > And if it is Pluggo, what plugins does it run? If you mean the clips I posted, they run two instances of Augustus Loop; one feeding Pluggo Rye and the other feeding Pluggo Speed Shifter. And then I was changing the pitch of the two Augustus loopers from a Behringer pedal while playing. Doing that also changes the length of the loops, but I like that because it's getting into some sort or "out-of-meter rhythm". Just wanted to hint people about Pluggo 3.5. I've had Pluggo for long but just accidently discovered jhno's nice plug-ins that came with the latest updat (I think?). Reminds me a bit about certain Eventide Eclipse sounds that I also like a lot. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 16:44:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ELh9411972; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:43:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:43:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1b9.d22edb8.2f424b6a@aol.com> References: <1b9.d22edb8.2f424b6a@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--886381116 Message-Id: <428648A6-7ED1-11D9-93A5-000A956F605C@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: Aarset gear / Turkish sound Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:42:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-7--886381116 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed torn has an oud and a cumbus (kind of a double stringed (courses) fretless banjo) among other things. (i talked to him this morning as a matter of fact.) but i think he has long since ceased watching this list.. i'm still waiting to learn about the aarset bootlegs. who has them and where can i get one? On Feb 14, 2005, at 1:43 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > David Torn (who hasn't posted here in over a year) > is into playing ouds and such too. I wonder if he's lurking out > there anywhere. > --Apple-Mail-7--886381116 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII torn has an oud and a cumbus (kind of a double stringed (courses) fretless banjo) among other things. (i talked to him this morning as a matter of fact.) but i think he has long since ceased watching this list.. i'm still waiting to learn about the aarset bootlegs. who has them and where can i get one? On Feb 14, 2005, at 1:43 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: ArialDavid Torn (who hasn't posted here in over a year) Arial is into playing ouds and such too. I wonder if he's lurking out Arial there anywhere. --Apple-Mail-7--886381116-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 16:46:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ELiLK12167; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:44:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:44:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <156.4ac39e6a.2f42754a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:42:34 EST Subject: Re: For your listening amusement To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_156.4ac39e6a.2f42754a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_156.4ac39e6a.2f42754a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve B. In a message dated 02/14/05 12:57:34, burnett@pobox.com writes: > Thanks, I have no recollection at this time of where I encountered this > quote so I can't verify its historical fact, but I've remembered it for a > long time now. I have found pausing occasionally to reflect "Am I done?" > to often be helpful. >=20 I guess that's what record "producers" are for . . . eh?=20 My biggest need is to have someone pull the plug on me when ever I go into something boneheaded at a live gig. But perhaps I should be careful what I wish for -- maybe that person will pull the plug before the first note is played. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_156.4ac39e6a.2f42754a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve B.

In a message dated 02/14/05 12:57:34, burnett@pobox.com writes:

Thanks, I have no reco= llection at this time of where I encountered this
quote so I can't verify its historical fact, but I've remembered it for a long time now. I have found pausing occasionally to reflect "Am I done?"
to often be helpful.

I guess that's what record "producers" are for . . . eh?
My biggest need is to have someone pull the plug on me
when ever I go into something boneheaded at a live gig.
But perhaps I should be careful what I wish for -- maybe
that person will pull the plug before the first note is played.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_156.4ac39e6a.2f42754a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 16:49:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ELmMQ13429; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:48:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:48:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: For your listening amusement Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:46:58 -0700 Message-ID: <00cf01c512de$b5c62ab0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C512A4.096752B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: *: 1.300000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 83, in=192, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C512A4.096752B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of hammers and quotes...here's one of my favorites that always seems to apply to gear and new musical toys: "Give a boy a hammer, and before you know it everything he encounters needs hammering" - I can't remeber who said this...maybe Kaplin (I think...some book I read on the history of science, education, etc) ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 1:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: For your listening amusement Great quote Ted, I need a guy with a hammer. Bill -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: For your listening amusement Howdy, In a message dated 02/14/05 11:00:26, burnett@pobox.com writes: I believe that Picasso once said that every artist needs an assistant to stand behind him holding a hammer. When the artist is finished with their current work, the assistant's job is to hit the artist over the head with a hammer and stop them from ruining the work. That is good. Verry good . . . and too true. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C512A4.096752B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Speaking of hammers and quotes...here's one = of my=20 favorites that always seems to apply to gear and new musical=20 toys:
 
"Give a boy a hammer, and before you know it = everything=20 he encounters needs hammering"
 
- I=20 can't remeber who said this...maybe Kaplin (I think...some book I read = on the=20 history of science, education, etc)
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = William Walker=20 [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com]
Sent: Monday, February 14, = 2005=20 1:43 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: For your listening amusement

Great quote Ted,    I need a guy with a=20 hammer.
 
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: = ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, February 14, = 2005 11:09=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 For your listening amusement

Howdy,

In a message dated 02/14/05 = 11:00:26,=20 burnett@pobox.com writes:

I believe that Picasso once said that every = artist=20 needs an assistant to
stand behind him holding a hammer. When = the=20 artist is finished with their
current work, the assistant's job = is to=20 hit the artist over the head with
a hammer and stop them from = ruining=20 the work.

That is good. Verry good . . . and = too=20 true.

Best regards,

tEd ® = kiLLiAn

"Different is=20 not always better, but better is always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, = Napster,
AudioLunchbox,=20 Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, = Sony=20 Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. = Blah,=20 blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you = doesn't mean=20 you're an artist."
****************************************************************= **********************
Krispen=20 Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com=
info@krispenhartung.com
View=20 improvisational / real-time looping videos:
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hart= ung/catalogue.htm#videos
Interactive=20 tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians= .com/gear.htm
------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C512A4.096752B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 16:56:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ELsiZ14734; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:54:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:54:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050214061847.GA27174@redhat.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329D9F@lon-oxmail02> <008a01c51219$dcd8b840$0affff0a@hppav> <20050214061847.GA27174@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Cool music alert: Battles - EP C Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:52:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 14, 2005, at 12:18 AM, Adrian Likins wrote: > If you dig Battles, and if you haven't heard the last couple > Don Caballero albums (particular American Don), run to the record > store now. > (Ian Williams was also in Don Cab). i really liked the battles discs so far. i like how ian is progressing beyond don caballero. i will also say that the new damon che led don caballero is damon plus 3 fratboys. it takes 2 guys with loopers to do what ian williams did by himself on the last for-real don caballero tour. my high point of that show was successfully firing off 200 flashes at damon che to see if he would get pissed off and beat me up. i was unsuccessful in getting beat up. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 17:02:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EM1W217710; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:01:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:01:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.90,84,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="638407881:sNHT11839004" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <1208.12.202.55.206.1108415731.squirrel@webmail.sep.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:00:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bravo! On Feb 14, 2005, at 1:23 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: >> Nobody's music is curing cancer > > Mine is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 17:03:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EM1hp17730; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:01:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:01:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1224.12.202.55.206.1108418391.squirrel@webmail.sep.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <1208.12.202.55.206.1108415731.squirrel@webmail.sep.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:59:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: From: tcombs@sep.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice, Dr. Zvonar! > At 4:15 PM -0500 2/14/05, tcombs@sep.com wrote: > >>Nobody's music is curing cancer > > Mine is. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 17:06:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EM4mi19117; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:04:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:04:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:03:11 +0100 From: jan Subject: Re: a usable laptop set-up (audio clip) In-reply-to: <35ef251dff22bf88a82c30b4debadedb@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <57f9f5d8d046dd307d90d381879ae506@igmbergen.no> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed References: <4c39d42a21ee9bdd053a605c45080a78@boysen.se> <770daafa32657ca66ffd03101d9f5ff4@igmbergen.no> <35ef251dff22bf88a82c30b4debadedb@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1EM3JS18414 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Per, I guess if i had read all of your first posting i would have all the answers too! : ) jan På 14. feb. 2005 kl. 22.34 skrev Per Boysen: > On Feb 14, 2005, at 22:05, jan wrote: > >> Hi Per, nice looping : ) >> >> What is Pluggo, is it the "run Max/MSP plugins inside audiounit or >> vst host" or something else? > > Pluggo was created with Max, as far as my historical perspective goes > (!), but those plug-ins can run both as AU and VST. I think they are > now also available as VST for Windows machines (not completely sure > about that, but you can check it out at their web site > www.cycling74.com) > >> And if it is Pluggo, what plugins does it run? > > If you mean the clips I posted, they run two instances of Augustus > Loop; one feeding Pluggo Rye and the other feeding Pluggo Speed > Shifter. And then I was changing the pitch of the two Augustus loopers > from a Behringer pedal while playing. Doing that also changes the > length of the loops, but I like that because it's getting into some > sort or "out-of-meter rhythm". > > Just wanted to hint people about Pluggo 3.5. I've had Pluggo for long > but just accidently discovered jhno's nice plug-ins that came with the > latest updat (I think?). Reminds me a bit about certain Eventide > Eclipse sounds that I also like a lot. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 17:12:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EMB8u20254; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:11:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:11:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00cf01c512de$b5c62ab0$6601a8c0@khartung> References: <00cf01c512de$b5c62ab0$6601a8c0@khartung> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:01:36 -0800 To: , From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: For your listening amusement Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1103703473==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1103703473==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:46 PM -0700 2/14/05, Krispen Hartung wrote: >Speaking of hammers and quotes...here's one of my favorites that >always seems to apply to gear and new musical toys: > >"Give a boy a hammer, and before you know it everything he >encounters needs hammering" > >- I can't remeber who said this...maybe Kaplin (I think...some book >I read on the history of science, education, etc) "If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail." - Abraham Maslow (1908-70), American psychologist, founder humanistic psychology -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1103703473==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: For your listening amusement
At 2:46 PM -0700 2/14/05, Krispen Hartung wrote:
Speaking of hammers and quotes...here's one of my favorites that always seems to apply to gear and new musical toys:
 
"Give a boy a hammer, and before you know it everything he encounters needs hammering"
 
- I can't remeber who said this...maybe Kaplin (I think...some book I read on the history of science, education, etc)

"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail." - Abraham Maslow (1908-70), American psychologist, founder humanistic psychology
--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com
--============_-1103703473==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 17:19:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EMIfw21641; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:18:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:18:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42112344.5070905@pdq.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:16:36 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, for a grown man, you sure do sound a lot like a whiny bitch. Larry Cooperman wrote: > > a bunch of whining bullshit From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 17:22:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EML7q22255; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:21:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:21:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: For your listening amusement Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:20:01 -0700 Message-ID: <00df01c512e3$536cc2c0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <002101c512ad$87536980$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: **: 2.300000 Quotes with an exclamation=2.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 84, in=174, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tony, I like it..."singularity"..are you perhaps referring to the singularity of a black hole where most all the laws of physics break-down? I particularly like this piece because it is somewhat dark, very rich with sounds, tones, and ambience. It's the type of song that I would use to get me thinking or feeling about something abstract...can't quite put my finger on it. It's interesting how this email of yours is generating so much discussion. For many years now my primary aspiration in music critique has been to become a radical subjectivist, which can be interpreted as musical nihilism (where there is no right and wrong, good and bad...no affirmation of musical value) or musician relativism (where anything goes). Philosophically, one can imply the other, depending on what sort of mood I'm in. :) Fortunately, and shamefully so, I am not always successful at attaining this goal. It is easy to yield to the self-reflecting ego and superimpose musical judgment on another's piece of music. It's what we humans do so well: pass judgment...I'm doing it now. And some day in the near future, I'll make some snide remark about another musician's ability or the merit of a piece of music, sliding yet again into hypocrasy. It get's better each year...the acceptance part, that is, the witholding of judgement, etc. Back to your piece....it reminds me of some of the work that Michael Stearns did, like "Encounter" - revolves around UFOs, alien life, etc. I like the fact that the piece changes frequently. If this is the way you feel, it is the way you should craft your work. It tells a complicated story...perhaps what it would be like to be inside a singularity (impossible as that is, but a good fantasy theme nonetheless)...or perhaps an even more interesting theme, one that Herman Hesse illustrated in Siddhartha, where everything is just a facet of a larger whole or fabric of being. Good and evil, right and wrong, beauty and ugliness, truth and falsehood...all just facets of the same "ONE". Your piece has a lot of elements to it, but I can feel an underlying theme. It just doesn't jump out and grab you from a rhythmic and melodic standpoint...nothing inherently worng with this...or right for that matter. That being said, I find that the music I listen to isn't always the music that I like to play or perform, or even music that I would necessarily aspire to artistically. I like to listen to some ambient and new age music because it relaxes me and helps me think, though that is not the type of music I aspire to write and perform. And some music that I really admire artistically I don't listen to that often, because it starts to influence me after a while....Terje Rypdal, John Abercrombie, and Bill Frissell have had this effect on me. I loved them so much that they started to unconsciously come out in my music. I don't know what, if any criteria exist to evaluate the artistic merit of a piece of music. I am inclined to visciously reject any criteria, because when you put them through the acid test, they fail and can't withstand counter-example. And what we are left with is an unpleasant residuum: resentment and misunderstanding. If there were such a criteria, I'm inclined to say that they have something to do with sincerity, intent, and emotive expression...though I am unwilling to articulate an attempt at a proposed criteria...many have tried...many have failed miserably or were accused of armchair philosophy. And finally, one of my favorite quotes!!!! Whooo whooo! "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" - William S. Burroughs Cheers, ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: For your listening amusement Hello Loopy people, I've been doing loopy soundscapes for a few months and recording some of it. I'd like some feedback (heh) on my last one. It overloaded in a few places so there's a touch of unintentional distortion. :( ah well. Brutal honesty is appreciated. http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Singularity.mp3 Thanks, Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 17:31:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EMT2e23986; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:29:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:29:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:27:23 +0100 From: jan Subject: Roland MC-09 In-reply-to: <770daafa32657ca66ffd03101d9f5ff4@igmbergen.no> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <9042c7caff2b1d6c62668f348e4fc577@igmbergen.no> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_yDq43v1q3WPtRNSqlVzXuw)" References: <4c39d42a21ee9bdd053a605c45080a78@boysen.se> <770daafa32657ca66ffd03101d9f5ff4@igmbergen.no> Resent-Message-ID: <1T-bFC.A.ivF.UXSECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Boundary_(ID_yDq43v1q3WPtRNSqlVzXuw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Someone told me about the Roland MC-09 I have looked at parts of the manual, and it has 4 banks with 6 sec=20 loop space each that one can fill with an audiosignal through the line=20= in. Don=B4t know how to go about controlling the thing (midi footcontroller,=20= expression) or if its possible to add to loop or any other features.=20 Perhaps someone here has some insights? Thanks Jan= --Boundary_(ID_yDq43v1q3WPtRNSqlVzXuw) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable TimesSomeone told me about the Roland MC-09 I have looked at parts of the manual, and it has 4 banks with 6 sec loop space each that one can fill with an audiosignal through the line in. Don=B4t know how to go about controlling the thing (midi footcontroller, expression) or if its possible to add to loop or any other features. Perhaps someone here has some insights? Thanks Jan= --Boundary_(ID_yDq43v1q3WPtRNSqlVzXuw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 17:42:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EMeet26228; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:40:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:40:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010901c512e6$169308c0$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4210F9FE.000094.03756@A7V266E-XP-USER> Subject: Re: For your listening amusement Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:04:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_jive-548-1108420788-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_jive-548-1108420788-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_jive-548-1108420788-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_jive-548-1108420788-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First off.. thanks for all the comments. I've been playing music for = about 33 years and I still am constantly nervous about putting myself = out there for public inspection. :) I'm not much concerned about labels. Yeah, it doesn't really fit the = ambient moniker. My brother likes to call it 'doombient." Any other = suggestions? Actually, I didn't work THAT hard at it. It's 3 layered tracks of = improv all done in one evening. Much of not paying attention to what = I'd done one the previous tracks. And no, there's no Juno on it (love to have one!) It's a Roland GR50 = guitar synth triggering a Korg M3R and a EX8000, a Roland D50, and the = regular guitar pickup run through an RP2000. It's routed in various = insane ways through an Arion stereo delay, Arion stereo chorus, Digitech = 2 sec digital delay, DL4, Adrenalinn, and a DOD Tec4 guitar processor. ok, so for anybody who didn't run screaming from the room and wants to = listen, there are a few more. http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/journey.htm http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/exploring.htm Thanks again, Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sony Felberg=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:20 PM Subject: Re: For your listening amusement =20 =20 Tony, I love the work....thank you for the coffee break. My = favorite segment was 13 - 15 minutes. The sonic/tone mood is nicely = interrupted with a disturbing tone....I like that link of stuff.=20 I agree, you are too contextual/orchestrated to be hard core = ambient. I always keep in mind why my wife hates ambient....cause it's = the same sequence over and over without change. Don't let this get you = down....it's a great work, well mixed. Next time....don't work so hard:) Did you use any old Juno sounds? =20 =20 =20 =20 SE Help http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi=20 Helix Server Tutorial http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil=20 Real Producer Tutorial = http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil = Encoding Specs (dynamic tool) http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls Free Player URL http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/ Enterprise Player Guide =20 http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide.htm -------Original Message------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: 02/14/05 10:28:33 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: For your listening amusement I really liked the choice of sounds and textures... but for an ambient soundscape I found it busy to the point of distraction. Trust me, I know this topic... becaues it's one of my biggest issues with my own music! I've found that what I "feel" is a good amount of activity is often way way way too much and I need to play about 1/4 the amount. A few techniques I've found that work well to "thin" out my playing are to take frequent breaks during a performance while really listening to and enjoying the current loop. Spend some time tweaking the loop with a performance orientated effects processor like an Alesis AirFX. Another good technique is take a nice slow but beautiful movie or scene and score it in real time. You'll be surprised how little you need to do to make a great composition. Mark --- Tony K wrote: > Hello Loopy people, > > I've been doing loopy soundscapes for a few months > and recording some of it. > I'd like some feedback (heh) on my last one. > It overloaded in a few places so there's a touch of > unintentional > distortion. :( ah well. > > Brutal honesty is appreciated. > > http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Singularity.mp3 > > Thanks, > > Tony > > > =20 =20 =20 --=_jive-548-1108420788-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First off.. thanks for all the = comments.  I've=20 been playing music for about 33 years and I still am constantly nervous = about=20 putting myself out there for public inspection. :)
 
I'm not much concerned about = labels.  Yeah, it=20 doesn't really fit the ambient moniker.  My brother likes to call = it=20 'doombient."  Any other suggestions?
 
Actually, I didn't work THAT hard at = it.  It's=20 3 layered tracks of improv all done in one evening.  Much of = not=20 paying attention to what I'd done one the previous tracks.
 
And no, there's no Juno on it (love to = have=20 one!)  It's a Roland GR50 guitar synth triggering a Korg M3R and a = EX8000,=20 a Roland D50, and the regular guitar pickup run through an = RP2000. =20 It's routed in various insane ways through an Arion stereo delay, Arion = stereo=20 chorus, Digitech 2 sec digital delay, DL4, Adrenalinn, and a DOD Tec4 = guitar=20 processor.
 
ok, so for anybody who didn't run = screaming from=20 the room and wants to listen, there are a few more.
 
http://www.thingi= najar.com/bigtony/journey.htm
http://www.thin= ginajar.com/bigtony/exploring.htm
 
Thanks again,
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sony = Felberg
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 ; Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 = 2:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: For your listening = amusement

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 Tony,
    I love the work....thank you for the = coffee=20 break. My favorite segment was 13 - 15 minutes. The sonic/tone = mood is=20 nicely interrupted with a disturbing tone....I like = that link=20 of stuff.
    I agree, you are too = contextual/orchestrated to=20 be hard core ambient. I always keep in mind why my wife hates=20 ambient....cause it's the same sequence over and over without=20 change. Don't let this get you down....it's a great work, = well=20 mixed. Next time....don't work so hard:)
    Did you use any old Juno=20 sounds?   
 
 
 
         &nbs= p;SE = Help
http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi
     =20  Helix Server=20 Tutorial
http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.= smil
          = Real=20 Producer Tutorial
http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/= open/open.smil =
         Encoding Specs (dynamic=20 tool)
http:= //docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls=
         &nbs= p; Free Player = URL
http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/
         Enterprise Player=20 = Guide    
http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide= .htm
-------Original=20 Message-------
 
From: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Date: = 02/14/05=20 10:28:33
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject: = Re: For your=20 listening amusement
 
I really liked the choice of sounds and textures...
but for an ambient soundscape I found it busy to the
point of distraction.  Trust me, I know this=20 topic...
becaues it's one of my biggest issues with my own
music!  I've found that what I "feel" is a good=20 amount
of activity is often way way way too much and I need
to play about 1/4 the amount.
 
A few techniques I've found that work well to "thin"
out my playing are to take frequent breaks during a
performance while really listening to and enjoying = the
current loop.  Spend some time tweaking the loop=20 with
a performance orientated effects processor like an
Alesis AirFX.  Another good technique is take a=20 nice
slow but beautiful movie or scene and score it in = real
time.  You'll be surprised how little you need to = do
to make a great composition.
 
Mark
 
 
--- Tony K <bigtony@softhome.net>=20 wrote:
 
> Hello Loopy people,
>
> I've been doing loopy soundscapes for a few = months
> and recording some of it.
> I'd like some feedback (heh) on my last one.
> It overloaded in a few places so there's a touch = of
> unintentional
> distortion. :(  ah well.
>
> Brutal honesty is appreciated.
>
> http://www.th= inginajar.com/bigtony/Singularity.mp3
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony
>
>
>
 
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Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:56:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:56:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050214225350.02b6c9b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:54:22 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: cancer cure In-Reply-To: <200502142222.j1EMMvk22878@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502142222.j1EMMvk22878@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 22:22 14/02/05, you wrote: >>Nobody's music is curing cancer > >Mine is. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD please elucidate andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 18:05:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EN3kR31516; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:03:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:03:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:02:46 +0100 From: jan Subject: Re: For your listening amusement (run and scream) In-reply-to: <010901c512e6$169308c0$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0d04841669abee9fd9a0e5080dc61540@igmbergen.no> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5DlfJgn0RcZ6TbmcboXILw)" References: <4210F9FE.000094.03756@A7V266E-XP-USER> <010901c512e6$169308c0$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Boundary_(ID_5DlfJgn0RcZ6TbmcboXILw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I saw that once, many o years a go, during the intense part of an=20 a-tonal improvisation jam session one of my friends did just that, with=20= his hands to his head : ) For the rest of us, we were well pleased with the impact of the session=20= : ) ( as soon as we were done playing, my friend was all back together=20= in his old self) Jan P=E5 14. feb. 2005 kl. 23.04 skrev Tony K: > k, so for anybody who didn't run screaming from the room= --Boundary_(ID_5DlfJgn0RcZ6TbmcboXILw) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I saw that once, many o years a go, during the intense part of an a-tonal improvisation jam session one of my friends did just that, with his hands to his head : ) For the rest of us, we were well pleased with the impact of the session : ) ( as soon as we were done playing, my friend was all back together in his old self) Jan P=E5 14. feb. 2005 kl. 23.04 skrev Tony K: Arialk, so for anybody who didn't run screaming from the room= --Boundary_(ID_5DlfJgn0RcZ6TbmcboXILw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 18:08:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EN6cw32124; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:06:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:06:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:05:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 14, 2005, at 2:39 PM, William Walker wrote: > Hey Larry, if you are taking pot shots at me or my brother, why don't > you > just come out and say it rather than imply it? The truth is I haven't > gotten yeah i gotta say that trashing the Walkers isn't very cool at all. sometimes i think i have rude tendancies and am full of myself. then a purveyor of New Millenium Guitar can come along and make me feel like the most humble musician in the world. thanks for the perspective, Larry. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 18:12:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1EN8CF32348; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:08:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:08:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Re: cancer cure Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:07:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050214225350.02b6c9b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Thread-Index: AcUS6KuQriKeujdXTJylhDxV4RW7HAAAT69Q Message-Id: <20050214230745.YSXV11322.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or at the very least eloborate-- (Altho I think I know what Z is saying . . .) -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: cancer cure At 22:22 14/02/05, you wrote: >>Nobody's music is curing cancer > >Mine is. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD please elucidate andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 18:21:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ENHqw01522; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:17:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:17:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <00d901c512ea$66a58d20$4ba1fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <20050214230745.YSXV11322.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Re: cancer cure Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:10:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh, please... ____________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________ "Oh, look, there´s is a rape machine, I´d go outside if it looked the other way. You wouldn´t believe the things they do." (Gary Numan / "Down in the Park") Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:07 AM Subject: RE: Re: cancer cure > Or at the very least eloborate-- > (Altho I think I know what Z is saying . . .) > > -----Original Message----- > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:54 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: cancer cure > > At 22:22 14/02/05, you wrote: > >>Nobody's music is curing cancer > > > >Mine is. > >-- > > > >______________________________________________________________ > >Richard Zvonar, PhD > > please elucidate > > andy butler > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 18:21:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ENIoF01647; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:18:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:18:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:18:17 +0100 (MET) From: "Raphael Vanoli" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Line6 DL4/replacing the switches X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #21424027 Message-ID: <20394.1108423097@www69.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Line6 DL4 users, I've got a simple technical question concerning replacement of broken switches in the Line6 DL4... Three of the four switches aren't working properly in mine, is it an easy task to replace them ? Are they standard switches or do you have to get special ones? It doesn't look to difficult to me but I don't want to ruin it. Sorry for spaming this mailing list with a question like this, it just seems to be a good way to get an answer... best - Raphael -- Lassen Sie Ihren Gedanken freien Lauf... z.B. per FreeSMS GMX bietet bis zu 100 FreeSMS/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 18:51:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ENoEi07081; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:50:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:50:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:49:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Then Play On! How you feeling doctor? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 1:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: At 4:15 PM -0500 2/14/05, tcombs@sep.com wrote: >Nobody's music is curing cancer Mine is. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 18:58:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ENua007912; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:56:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:56:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c512f0$a52e4090$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <1208.12.202.55.206.1108415731.squirrel@webmail.sep.com> Subject: Re: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:55:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: <_I5wD.A.f6B.CqTECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com | At 4:15 PM -0500 2/14/05, tcombs@sep.com wrote: | | >Nobody's music is curing cancer | | Mine is. According to a nurse at a terminal hospice in Houston some years ago, my music helped some folks maintain the semi-hypnotic state that morphine used to in the past, once the opiates were overcome by the brain. Given that a calm motif is known to help anyone to be not as susceptible to stress-related or caused illnesses, I put forth that some music can serve a healing purpose, to some people. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com * "I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English to men, and Japanese to my horse." *- Buckaroo Banzai | -- | | ______________________________________________________________ | Richard Zvonar, PhD | (818) 788-2202 | http://www.zvonar.com | http://salamandersongs.com | http://ill-wind.com | | | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 19:11:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ENwT408455; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:58:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:58:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Line6 DL4/replacing the switches Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:58:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20394.1108423097@www69.gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Raphael, The switches that line 6 uses are a plunger style contact switch that are not hard to replace as they are not soldered to the pc board. You have to remove the pc board and battery terminals to get them out, but there is no issue with soldering. Finding them might be the other thing, I'd check on line with line 6 to seeif you can order them directly, or through a service center or dealership in your area. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Raphael Vanoli [mailto:raphaelvanoli@gmx.net] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Line6 DL4/replacing the switches Hello Line6 DL4 users, I've got a simple technical question concerning replacement of broken switches in the Line6 DL4... Three of the four switches aren't working properly in mine, is it an easy task to replace them ? Are they standard switches or do you have to get special ones? It doesn't look to difficult to me but I don't want to ruin it. Sorry for spaming this mailing list with a question like this, it just seems to be a good way to get an answer... best - Raphael -- Lassen Sie Ihren Gedanken freien Lauf... z.B. per FreeSMS GMX bietet bis zu 100 FreeSMS/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 20:02:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F11dn21149; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:01:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:01:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:58:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c26092a1d07a63b1498fa080829f5ce5dee3f666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 14, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Feb 14, 2005, at 2:39 PM, William Walker wrote: >> Hey Larry, if you are taking pot shots at me or my brother, why don't >> you >> just come out and say it rather than imply it? The truth is I haven't >> gotten > > yeah i gotta say that trashing the Walkers isn't very cool at all. oh, the great walker bros. i gotta say that talking shit bout' lefty ain't kosher listen the walker bros are really fine people, i just won't go looking for them in the new music bin/ that's ok cool is for high school, in the world i live my musical life in we tell the truth as we see it and try to be men > > > > sometimes i think i have rude tendancies and am full of myself. then a > purveyor of New Millenium Guitar can come along and make me feel like > the most humble musician in the world. > > thanks for the perspective, Larry. have you ever said anything true Eric? are you really a musician or a high school chump? i know what a small musician i am because i have some perspective there Eric. do you? that millennium with two "Ns'" you don't know what humble is until you've really listened to what's out there in the way of art music. looping, really > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 20:14:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F1D9D23104; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:13:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:13:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050214225350.02b6c9b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200502142222.j1EMMvk22878@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050214225350.02b6c9b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:10:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Re: cancer cure Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:54 PM +0000 2/14/05, a k butler wrote: >At 22:22 14/02/05, you wrote: >>>Nobody's music is curing cancer >> >>Mine is. >>-- >> >>______________________________________________________________ >>Richard Zvonar, PhD > >please elucidate I have cancer. I play music. I'm still alive. Something's working. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 20:24:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F1Mjt24524; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:22:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:22:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:12:48 -0800 To: , From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:49 PM -0800 2/14/05, William Walker wrote: >Then Play On! > >How you feeling doctor? I just got back from Sedona where I had three deep tissue massages in two days. I feel fine. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 20:27:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F1PeD25047; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:25:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:25:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--873142511 Message-Id: <4136034251b374cb6495c8ec1be4996e@newmillguitar.com> From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:22:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609e7f7cd738285917284cb139028939c43667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: <0-mVa.A.yGG.-9UECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--873142511 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Feb 14, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Harrison wrote: > I thought Larry raised many valid issues. Music not technology is > paramount. Thank you Kevin, I may be off of the mailing list but I would like to thank you for supporting that key thing. > > Sometimes technology does 'hot-wire' musicians to achieve new and > exciting results, but on the flip-side it can encourage techno heads & > musical neophytes to think that they're making 'cutting-edge' music, > when they no very little about music per se. What is technology but a way to bring something to the fore and not as a means in itself. I think a lot of people here have it wrong and I'm disin' them I know. So what? > > However as this forum attracts both musicians seeking technical advice > and technician types seeking musical advice I don't see much of a > problem. I have never seen anyone ask for musical advice. But I may have missed it with all of the what about the MC-22 and how do you turn on the coffee maker function. Damn if I didn't hate looking at a manual that is so cracked that it defies you to crack it. I won't waste my time eating someone's poop or loop my own. > > Vive la difference! Well yes but no. Viva la musique! > > * Remember sometimes great musical ideas come from 'out of the blue' > by untrained artists whilst shit can also come from the most educate. Yes but I am not my education I am only served by my education and not too much. History is it. Just like American voted for Bush because they have no "history" a player who knows nothing about music history is doomed to repeat it, get stoned and think he is a rebel. > > Kevin > > www.dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.cdbaby.com/kevinharrison > > > On Feb 14, 2005, at 19:45, Larry Cooperman wrote: > >> >> Hi Tony, >> >> I listened and I found the comp wanting nothing and found the title >> quite proper for the sonic result. Very, very good! >> >> I have found that a lot of the people on this mailing list really >> don't understand music. >> >> They understand machines, popular "music," multimedia and other >> things wrapped up in technology but music no. >> >> So I would take what everyone says here with a grain or a load of >> salt. >> >> A while back I gave a series of compositions to one of these people >> and his brother for their amusement and because the primary function >> of the stuff was music, I heard nothing from them. They don't >> understand music as an organic growing thing, they understand it as >> part of a social order that they grew up with. This I know because I >> heard them. As good as they are I heard nothing new what-so-ever. >> So when confronted with something that they haven't heard before they >> were silent. >> >> What I mean to say is that music has a life beyond classifiers like >> popular and technology. It is pure expression without the need for >> monikers. >> >> We have a lot of highly intelligent people here who are schooled and >> well read but treat their music like vestiges of their teenage years >> and nothing beyond that. When I say they don't understand music I >> mean it. They have no historical perspective at all and believe me >> that is need in the music arts as it is in any other. How the hell >> do you know when you're being a "rebel" if you know nothing about >> what you're "rebelling" against. >> >> There are no rebels here. I read these emails from time to time most >> of the time I just delete them because of the banal content, people >> thinking they're really. really cutting edge and they are just not. >> >> I may get a kick out of something here someday but I attended Y2K4, >> did a really horrible performance myself but I am sure that I made >> sounds that I hadn't heard before based on the chaos of all of the >> crappy gear that was meant to represent me. >> >> Is a paint brush gear? Is a vibrating string gear? Gear, gear so >> what if there is no electricity? Technology has made musicians out of >> lawyers and bakers? No. At least not in my book. >> >> As well, a person playing in a orchestra is not the same caliber >> creator as some of the Loopers. I always thought that being a >> musician had something to do with creation and with some orchestra >> musicians, you take the sheet music away and they order a pizza. >> There was a time in classical music when everyone improvised. >> >> Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some >> historical perspective. >> >> Larry Cooperman >> New Millennium Guitar >> http://www.newmillguitar.com >> >> > harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com --Apple-Mail-1--873142511 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Feb 14, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Harrison wrote: I thought Larry raised many valid issues. Music not technology is paramount. Thank you Kevin, I may be off of the mailing list but I would like to thank you for supporting that key thing. Sometimes technology does 'hot-wire' musicians to achieve new and exciting results, but on the flip-side it can encourage techno heads & musical neophytes to think that they're making 'cutting-edge' music, when they no very little about music per se. What is technology but a way to bring something to the fore and not as a means in itself. I think a lot of people here have it wrong and I'm disin' them I know. So what? However as this forum attracts both musicians seeking technical advice and technician types seeking musical advice I don't see much of a problem. I have never seen anyone ask for musical advice. But I may have missed it with all of the what about the MC-22 and how do you turn on the coffee maker function. Damn if I didn't hate looking at a manual that is so cracked that it defies you to crack it. I won't waste my time eating someone's poop or loop my own. Vive la difference! Well yes but no. Viva la musique! * Remember sometimes great musical ideas come from 'out of the blue' by untrained artists whilst shit can also come from the most educate. Yes but I am not my education I am only served by my education and not too much. History is it. Just like American voted for Bush because they have no "history" a player who knows nothing about music history is doomed to repeat it, get stoned and think he is a rebel. Kevin www.dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk http://www.cdbaby.com/kevinharrison On Feb 14, 2005, at 19:45, Larry Cooperman wrote: Hi Tony, I listened and I found the comp wanting nothing and found the title quite proper for the sonic result. Very, very good! I have found that a lot of the people on this mailing list really don't understand music. They understand machines, popular "music," multimedia and other things wrapped up in technology but music no. So I would take what everyone says here with a grain or a load of salt. A while back I gave a series of compositions to one of these people and his brother for their amusement and because the primary function of the stuff was music, I heard nothing from them. They don't understand music as an organic growing thing, they understand it as part of a social order that they grew up with. This I know because I heard them. As good as they are I heard nothing new what-so-ever. So when confronted with something that they haven't heard before they were silent. What I mean to say is that music has a life beyond classifiers like popular and technology. It is pure expression without the need for monikers. We have a lot of highly intelligent people here who are schooled and well read but treat their music like vestiges of their teenage years and nothing beyond that. When I say they don't understand music I mean it. They have no historical perspective at all and believe me that is need in the music arts as it is in any other. How the hell do you know when you're being a "rebel" if you know nothing about what you're "rebelling" against. There are no rebels here. I read these emails from time to time most of the time I just delete them because of the banal content, people thinking they're really. really cutting edge and they are just not. I may get a kick out of something here someday but I attended Y2K4, did a really horrible performance myself but I am sure that I made sounds that I hadn't heard before based on the chaos of all of the crappy gear that was meant to represent me. Is a paint brush gear? Is a vibrating string gear? Gear, gear so what if there is no electricity? Technology has made musicians out of lawyers and bakers? No. At least not in my book. As well, a person playing in a orchestra is not the same caliber creator as some of the Loopers. I always thought that being a musician had something to do with creation and with some orchestra musicians, you take the sheet music away and they order a pizza. There was a time in classical music when everyone improvised. Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some historical perspective. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com harrison@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com --Apple-Mail-1--873142511-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 20:44:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F1hC127738; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:43:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:43:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:48:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.168.42] at Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:41:52 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have no idea about the context in which these opinions are formed. And prior to reading this, I had no ideas about the person forming these opinions. And, based on what I read here, the writer of these opinions has clearly also demonstrated he does not know me at all, and thus can not speak for me in any way. As to technology and music - music is clearly influenced by technology. Advances in technology make it possible to construct and fabricate new instruments. This has always been the way since man started making sounds. Stone, wood, metal, silicone, and light. And each new instrument is taken up by players of that age and used to accomplish something a little new and different from others preceding it. The degree that a new instrument is adopted and can give voice to a new compelling musical repertoire, is the degree it becomes a success. This last comment from the post (quoted in full below) I found quite astonishing: > Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some > historical perspective. The thing about perspective is it changes based on where you sit. Perspective therefore is not fixed, it is changeable. And if perspectives change, then judgments that are fixed will become obsolete. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Cooperman" To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:45 PM > > Hi Tony, > > I listened and I found the comp wanting nothing and found the title > quite proper for the sonic result. Very, very good! > > I have found that a lot of the people on this mailing list really don't > understand music. > > They understand machines, popular "music," multimedia and other things > wrapped up in technology but music no. > > So I would take what everyone says here with a grain or a load of salt. > > A while back I gave a series of compositions to one of these people and > his brother for their amusement and because the primary function of the > stuff was music, I heard nothing from them. They don't understand > music as an organic growing thing, they understand it as part of a > social order that they grew up with. This I know because I heard them. > As good as they are I heard nothing new what-so-ever. So when > confronted with something that they haven't heard before they were > silent. > > What I mean to say is that music has a life beyond classifiers like > popular and technology. It is pure expression without the need for > monikers. > > We have a lot of highly intelligent people here who are schooled and > well read but treat their music like vestiges of their teenage years > and nothing beyond that. When I say they don't understand music I mean > it. They have no historical perspective at all and believe me that is > need in the music arts as it is in any other. How the hell do you know > when you're being a "rebel" if you know nothing about what you're > "rebelling" against. > > There are no rebels here. I read these emails from time to time most > of the time I just delete them because of the banal content, people > thinking they're really. really cutting edge and they are just not. > > I may get a kick out of something here someday but I attended Y2K4, did > a really horrible performance myself but I am sure that I made sounds > that I hadn't heard before based on the chaos of all of the crappy gear > that was meant to represent me. > > Is a paint brush gear? Is a vibrating string gear? Gear, gear so what > if there is no electricity? Technology has made musicians out of > lawyers and bakers? No. At least not in my book. > > As well, a person playing in a orchestra is not the same caliber > creator as some of the Loopers. I always thought that being a musician > had something to do with creation and with some orchestra musicians, > you take the sheet music away and they order a pizza. There was a time > in classical music when everyone improvised. > > Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some > historical perspective. > > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 20:49:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F1mBq28613; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:48:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:48:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=QNYlVkva/K+OM9FVdTu7GalTlQq9UXaYB7yRWruh/JO4+INUp6zk4C5hE+b7bdt7; Message-ID: <410-22005221515528330@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: evolving subjectsRe: looping and using monitors Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:55:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b8c8a61e26473bb12ae597eeda244006350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.156 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Y'know, we've got to start changing the Subject headers when a subject evolves away from the original. I almost missed this helpful e-mail because the Subject field led me to believe it was about something I didn't need to know right now. (I get 150 e-mails a night and am sometimes tempted to "judge a book by its cover." (A dangerous thing, I know!) Yours in Tomi Ungerer, Tim > [Original Message] > From: L. Angulo > To: > Date: 2/13/2005 4:04:52 PM > Subject: Re: looping and using monitors > > excellent thanx Dan! > cheers > Luis > > > > --- Dan Ash wrote: > > > >> i want to get a good hand snare drum > > > > Rhythm Tech makes a cool and very portable snare - > > the Laptop. > > Basically a pretensioned head on a rim with an > > enclosed snare attached. > > A sturdy case comes with it, too. I keep one of > > these and a shaker > > with my acoustic guitar gig bag for when I need to > > enlist audience > > participation. > > > > http://www.rhythmtech.com/products/drums/laptop.html > > > > Dan Ash > > White Plains, NY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 21:34:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F2XBw02788; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:33:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:33:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:29:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609e128467349c7f2d1765d41f59a3b51f5667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I have no idea about the context in which these opinions are formed. > And > prior to reading this, I had no ideas about the person forming these > opinions. And, based on what I read here, the writer of these > opinions has > clearly also demonstrated he does not know me at all, and thus can not > speak > for me in any way. Yes I do know some of what you do because you are on this list. I never spoke for you, I spoke against you in the sense that technology heads are pretty much fixed against music in its purest form. They are stuck with electricity and a manual which takes vital energy away from the [purest forms of creativity. Yes, I don't know you, you think you may know me but I would venture to say that you only know me as a reactive person. You don't know what I do nor do any of you except for maybe Tim Mungenast, who I've exchanged with. As far as the rest of you guys maybe my horrifying looping performance but it takes some talent to be horrifying and I have a talent for that. You may be Beethoven or highly creative. I don't know. I figure most of you are slaves to technology and this is a shame. As Bill said and I'll change the last words, "Shame on you technology heads." You've maybe lost the meaning of pounding on real things as they exist in nature. Shame on me, really! I'm not dissing anyone, I'm just calling what I see. So shoot me for being honest. It happens all the time. I'm happy to be shot, I don't have the kind of ego you think I have, I only lose it when my manhood has been in question. > > As to technology and music - music is clearly influenced by technology. > Advances in technology make it possible to construct and fabricate new > instruments. This has always been the way since man started making > sounds. > Stone, wood, metal, silicone, and light. And each new instrument is > taken > up by players of that age and used to accomplish something a little > new and > different from others preceding it. The degree that a new instrument > is > adopted and can give voice to a new compelling musical repertoire, is > the > degree it becomes a success. yes but when it comes to contemporary technology then it is quite a different matter than designing a new fingering system for the flute. Sometime todays technologies have taken music to a deformed place where the chaos of human interaction and the thing being manipulated is not a matter of musical talent it is a matter of one's ability to decipher a manual and use a program. Some techno heads can't make a sound on a real thing and would have made wooden shoes in the age of Bronze. > > This last comment from the post (quoted in full below) I found quite > astonishing: > >> Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some >> historical perspective. > > The thing about perspective is it changes based on where you sit. > Perspective therefore is not fixed, it is changeable. And if > perspectives > change, then judgments that are fixed will become obsolete. Historical perspective never changes it is only added to. A judgment is based on this it is not astonishing. In music perspective is everything and a judgment is not an opinion which people can make all of the opinions they want about the originality of this or that and it turns into baby shit. If they don't have any historical perspective than an opinion is a weak thing, like those who voted for Bush. Yes I agree but a judgment is something that comes from knowledge and perspective. If there is new information perspectives can change but it will still form into a judgment and not an opinion. Judgments remain fixed if information remains the same. Show me something that happened in music that causes a person who has perspective to change. Maybe Goreski's 3rd Symphony did a little to change my judgment on what modern music can be but I'd venture to say that there has been little in the last decade, in pure music, that is not comprehensive with what came before. This may be a bad thing in a way. It stops thinking out of the box but I like the box, so far it has made me happy as a musician. I have context and I have direction. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Cooperman" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:45 PM > > >> >> Hi Tony, >> >> I listened and I found the comp wanting nothing and found the title >> quite proper for the sonic result. Very, very good! >> >> I have found that a lot of the people on this mailing list really >> don't >> understand music. >> >> They understand machines, popular "music," multimedia and other things >> wrapped up in technology but music no. >> >> So I would take what everyone says here with a grain or a load of >> salt. >> >> A while back I gave a series of compositions to one of these people >> and >> his brother for their amusement and because the primary function of >> the >> stuff was music, I heard nothing from them. They don't understand >> music as an organic growing thing, they understand it as part of a >> social order that they grew up with. This I know because I heard >> them. >> As good as they are I heard nothing new what-so-ever. So when >> confronted with something that they haven't heard before they were >> silent. >> >> What I mean to say is that music has a life beyond classifiers like >> popular and technology. It is pure expression without the need for >> monikers. >> >> We have a lot of highly intelligent people here who are schooled and >> well read but treat their music like vestiges of their teenage years >> and nothing beyond that. When I say they don't understand music I >> mean >> it. They have no historical perspective at all and believe me that is >> need in the music arts as it is in any other. How the hell do you >> know >> when you're being a "rebel" if you know nothing about what you're >> "rebelling" against. >> >> There are no rebels here. I read these emails from time to time most >> of the time I just delete them because of the banal content, people >> thinking they're really. really cutting edge and they are just not. >> >> I may get a kick out of something here someday but I attended Y2K4, >> did >> a really horrible performance myself but I am sure that I made sounds >> that I hadn't heard before based on the chaos of all of the crappy >> gear >> that was meant to represent me. >> >> Is a paint brush gear? Is a vibrating string gear? Gear, gear so >> what >> if there is no electricity? Technology has made musicians out of >> lawyers and bakers? No. At least not in my book. >> >> As well, a person playing in a orchestra is not the same caliber >> creator as some of the Loopers. I always thought that being a >> musician >> had something to do with creation and with some orchestra musicians, >> you take the sheet music away and they order a pizza. There was a >> time >> in classical music when everyone improvised. >> >> Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some >> historical perspective. >> >> Larry Cooperman >> New Millennium Guitar >> http://www.newmillguitar.com >> > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 21:46:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F2iP805304; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:44:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:44:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502150243.j1F2hqS05231@hemlock.violacea.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=S5g918AbR64TXOfThP5J9r4anMzx4mC2TldKXYRJiGm9wtGN783RE+fPTkp1gLhE; Reply-To: From: "ejyuhas" To: "'Tony K'" , Subject: RE: For your listening amusement Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:43:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUS8Ji2Ry0E9TkbS7q7zdShi3eW+AAFwylg In-Reply-To: <002101c512ad$87536980$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bce138f909996a1b60e762dce8c4e03376350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.41.246.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tony, Nice work ! I don't particularly think it's too "crowded", but I know how I get when I feel good and creativity flows out of me! I can attest to what Mark and a few others have said, though. Sometimes I think I use too many fill-ins, just because "Who wants an unused looper in their rig?" !! LOL So some of my best loops tend to get 'busy-sounding'. Sooooooo, what gear did you use to yield these aural soundscapes?? Peace, Ed in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: For your listening amusement Hello Loopy people, I've been doing loopy soundscapes for a few months and recording some of it. I'd like some feedback (heh) on my last one. It overloaded in a few places so there's a touch of unintentional distortion. :( ah well. Brutal honesty is appreciated. http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Singularity.mp3 Thanks, Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 21:58:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F2vHJ06776; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:57:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:57:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=XO4OHMCBgFq2jixs6u7blYsO/t+6WnXTNBvxRRT2hRmz4os5hBjqeAAimTCAbW2L; Message-ID: <410-2200522153434930@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:04:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9408c99faf0143c373fb58096d968000649350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.156 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I put forth that some music can serve a healing purpose, to some people." Hendrix spoke of this in an interview shortly before his death... it was one of the things he'd wanted to work on. > [Original Message] > From: Stephen Goodman > To: > Date: 2/14/2005 6:57:02 PM > Subject: Re: Re: > > | At 4:15 PM -0500 2/14/05, tcombs@sep.com wrote: > | > | >Nobody's music is curing cancer > | > | Mine is. > > According to a nurse at a terminal hospice in Houston some years ago, my > music helped some folks maintain the semi-hypnotic state that morphine used > to in the past, once the opiates were overcome by the brain. > > Given that a calm motif is known to help anyone to be not as susceptible to > stress-related or caused illnesses, I put forth that some music can serve a > healing purpose, to some people. > > Stephen Goodman > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > * http://www.medialinenews.com > > * "I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English to men, and Japanese to > my horse." > *- Buckaroo Banzai > > | -- > | > | ______________________________________________________________ > | Richard Zvonar, PhD > | (818) 788-2202 > | http://www.zvonar.com > | http://salamandersongs.com > | http://ill-wind.com > | > | > | > | > | > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 22:02:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F30MP08871; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:00:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:00:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=afd2fRg+8F/ILHyTBSi+Tr+U8vzYmm6bzsFnnfQt40Rnn5BhNUIRynpqk0zkufsN; Message-ID: <410-2200522153650540@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: cancer cure Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:06:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940d2b5de7160e8c5907c93642fc7c0d60d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.156 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ricahrd: Sorry to hear about the cancer, but I am very glad to hear that it's keeping you among us. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Richard Zvonar > To: > Date: 2/14/2005 8:13:57 PM > Subject: Re: Re: cancer cure > > At 10:54 PM +0000 2/14/05, a k butler wrote: > >At 22:22 14/02/05, you wrote: > >>>Nobody's music is curing cancer > >> > >>Mine is. > >>-- > >> > >>______________________________________________________________ > >>Richard Zvonar, PhD > > > >please elucidate > > I have cancer. > > I play music. > > I'm still alive. > > Something's working. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 22:03:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F31k409193; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:01:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:01:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42116620.6020205@iinet.net.au> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:01:52 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> In-Reply-To: <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry, personally, I think your well entitled to communicate your views. and indeed, you almost raise the point that what is sometimes missing in relativism is a common ground for making judgements as to what is good and what is bad, what is to be included in the inner circle of accepted art and what is rejected. however, given that 'perspective' seems to be one of those words, etymologically speaking, that has its roots in visual thinking, is it really the best concept to be using to found a system of musical judgement on? are you suggesting that you have musical vision? I have no problem with such a claim if you just come out and make it. nonetheless, how does one 'have' perspective? where did you 'get' it from? I would have thought that whilst an opinion provided from a learned historical context can be considered a judgement, one would have to provide that context or some evidence of it, as is the traditional manner of judging, with the opinion, so as to give that opinion the authority that judgement requires. Until such evidence is presented, the opinion remains an opinion, no matter how much you call it another name. If this were not the case, why would judges bother to go to law school - they could just call themselves judges and be done with it. So my point is that you really haven't provided any evidence, as of yet, as to your authority in passing judgement. So please, would you be willing to elaborate on this perspective a little more so we can understand your right to judge? I think it would make an interesting discussion, provided we can keep it on-track. Until such a time, I hope you don't mind if I make my own mind up and consider your communications as opinions and leave it at that? sincerely michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 22:27:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F3PTP12417; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:25:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:25:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=aOlyZtaCL0MNwZxli7Nv/aqVfm4XZ2zGE2h2Owj1+sAo4Yost5EkoC6V7TR7T7Hn; Message-ID: <410-2200522153324510@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:32:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9401ab7fd91145e307590cbef8ed8b19fda350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.156 Resent-Message-ID: <2-QI0C.A.eAD.0tWECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, you intellectuals are WAY over my head. I'm gonna futz around with my banjo/uke. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: mjnoble > To: > Date: 2/14/2005 10:03:37 PM > Subject: Re: > > Larry, > > personally, I think your well entitled to communicate your views. and > indeed, you almost raise the point that what is sometimes missing in > relativism is a common ground for making judgements as to what is good > and what is bad, what is to be included in the inner circle of accepted > art and what is rejected. however, given that 'perspective' seems to > be one of those words, etymologically speaking, that has its roots in > visual thinking, is it really the best concept to be using to found a > system of musical judgement on? are you suggesting that you have > musical vision? > > I have no problem with such a claim if you just come out and make it. > nonetheless, how does one 'have' perspective? where did you 'get' it > from? > > I would have thought that whilst an opinion provided from a learned > historical context can be considered a judgement, one would have to > provide that context or some evidence of it, as is the traditional > manner of judging, with the opinion, so as to give that opinion the > authority that judgement requires. Until such evidence is presented, > the opinion remains an opinion, no matter how much you call it another > name. If this were not the case, why would judges bother to go to law > school - they could just call themselves judges and be done with it. > > So my point is that you really haven't provided any evidence, as of yet, > as to your authority in passing judgement. So please, would you be > willing to elaborate on this perspective a little more so we can > understand your right to judge? I think it would make an interesting > discussion, provided we can keep it on-track. Until such a time, I hope > you don't mind if I make my own mind up and consider your communications > as opinions and leave it at that? > > sincerely > michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 22:54:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F3qgI17056; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:52:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:52:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <42116620.6020205@iinet.net.au> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <42116620.6020205@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:48:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c26096eb26b5c92f8758a54a4cf31aac73afe350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 14, 2005, at 7:01 PM, mjnoble wrote: > Larry, > > personally, I think your well entitled to communicate your views. and > indeed, you almost raise the point that what is sometimes missing in > relativism is a common ground for making judgements as to what is good > and what is bad, what is to be included in the inner circle of > accepted art and what is rejected. however, given that 'perspective' > seems to be one of those words, etymologically speaking, that has its > roots in visual thinking, is it really the best concept to be using to > found a system of musical judgement on? are you suggesting that you > have musical vision? Michael, perspective comes from a life of learning music of all kinds and an MFA as a composer/performer. I given a full scholarship at California Institute of the Arts for my compositions and performances of them. I don't call myself a doctor although an MFA is an artist's doctorate. They created this program using me as the test subject. When I taught college I was paid the same as a doctor. I am not my education though I am my own man in music and do have what you call "musical vision" if I am to believe what other people say about me. I may sound full of myself and I don't care. I am just stating what you asked. If I put my head in a noose then kick the chair out quick, or the horse or my cheap car. My father was an opera singer and cantor, my sister is an opera singer and jazz saxophonist, my other qualifications come from being immersed in the classical guitar world where I am a fairly well known composer. You can look me up on the Internet, we're all on there. I have my own site, like we all do but I usually talk about other people's great stuff. You can just look at http://www.newmillguitar.com/larrycooperman.html or lcreviews.html and there is my propaganda. I'm 53 years old and have been doing this since I was 17. I taught myself classical guitar after I ungrafted my sex organ from my forehead and grew up quickly as a classical musician. I studied classical music myself and at college and concentrated on music that was not for the guitar but for orchestra. My dad died on television singing "If I were a rich man." 10 second delay made it a private matter. From the time I was born I heard bel canto and Russian opera, orchestral music, Dixieland jazz, folk music and popular music all from my older siblings. I was stuck in music by biology and chose it. I continued past the music of my upbringing into contemporary classical music at the age of 18 or so. I performed electric guitar at the same time I was learning classical guitar and classical music. My father and sister were amateurs in their singing and playing but trained and always doing it. I am the only one of my family with a degree and chose CalArts because the music school is unlike others in so far as the composers in training study world music and jazz as well. A dozen recordings of my music exist by other performers and they are fairly highly regarded. I performed on the electric guitar with a 100 bands and my master's thesis was on backtones on the Yamaha SBG-1000. Backtones are the logarithmic inverse of the fretting system, the headstock pitches and the pitches from the bridge to the rigid bar. I am no egg head and prefer to get stoned and free improvise in no context except what I ate for breakfast and what human sacrifices are offered to improvise with. You do too I'll bet. The creation of the moment is just as important as the highly contrived written piece with everything accounted for. I'd venture to say it is more important because it is a clear indication that you are alive. I scored for dancers with the backtone electric guitar with transducer nut and processors. I scored a short film called "Clouds Like White Elephants" a Hemmingway short story. I guess we've all done this kind of thing and I just offer it to you to broaden my "perspective." I performed in a jazz band called "Dawn's Early Light" with Steve Ellington, Duke's nephew. I was the only sort of white guy in the band. I am immersed as a life not as a living. I sell expensive guitars for a living and collection of mechanical royalties amount to very little because it is classical music. I have opinions on girls asses because they are usually clothed. I have opinions on other things too but music, I make judgments because it is my life and my nature. I guess the village killed Frankenstein, they had a strong opinion. Thank you for asking Michael. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 22:54:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F3r4D17098; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:53:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:53:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=BanOrahtipvXfAoZZMMYsjobcfz2qmme90el4CSmUv+EwggiH1kJzB9ipyXZavDreVvNsnoXwwV3NESbl+iAdq9yin5KU+huJwF2JGocHGeJ5M08riBax0Td0m5zeHD2bDUJZjW5TWL5G4N43JR562FNHTRsoOC5U7YB88gPgew= ; Message-ID: <20050215035126.46469.qmail@web54402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:51:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Jones Subject: Re: RC-20 Start up problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1e1.35d1b2ac.2f41670d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I ended up taking it to a local guy who is proclaimed to be a electronics genius. He said he has experience with this kind of thing and will make sure that i'm not sending it in under warranty to pay for labor if it's just some loose connection. jerry --- Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/12/05 9:37:46 PM, > jeryj9@yahoo.com writes: > > << it just won't > loop anything. >> > > > I guess I would then try: > > Starting up the unit while holding the Exit button > down. > > Starting up the unit while holding both the Reverse > button and the Exit > button down. > > Starting up the unit while holding both the Write > and Exit buttons down. > > > If still no positive change I would use the warranty > and send it in for > repair. > > If I bought it used I would open it up and look at > the guts and poke around. > > There may even be a Boss User Forum somewhere that > has some tips on tinkering > with the insides. > > > BobC > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 22:55:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F3sQT17484; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:54:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:54:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:52:26 -0800 Message-ID: <002301c51311$c3abdfc0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >You may be Beethoven or highly creative. I don't know. I figure most of you are slaves to technology and this is a shame. You've put some great thoughts on this list Larry, and I appreciate you getting under our collective skin at times, but this recent thread is pretty much petty bullshit, in my opinion. Yes, I get it that you get off on other people not liking you. Oooh, you're so indifferent that you really 'don't care'. Good for you...i guess. But then be a bitter, lonely person. Or just be supplicated by people who think you're neat because you're so intelligent, or musical, or bitchy, or whatever. Personally, I really get off on people who have the intelligence and fire that you possess, but also have a humility and humanity about them. It makes them more accessible, admirable, and ulitimately inspirational. If you wish to be none of those things, that's ok, too. Again, you get to be whoever you choose to be. That's all we all are doing. And you are choosing to use your time, electricity and technology to come here and, on occasion, belittle people. For what? What do you gain? Making us 'see the light'? Of how trapped and stupid and futile and ignorant we all are? Ok, granted...i'm stupid, and a slave. So are you in the grand scheme of things. Respect and admiration are not given, they are earned. That's why a lot of us dig Rick and Bill. Because with very little regard for their own selfish motives (of which we all have many), they effortlessly GIVE. Advice, help, compliments, constructive criticism, whatever. It cool. And then they'll turn around and say something laughingly self-depracative that brings them such a human quality. And then they'll step up and play MUSIC with talent and aplomb. Jeez, you're gonna be spiteful towards that? You don't have to like their music, or them. That's cool. But being a little bitch and putting them on a false pedestal to only then try to knock it down is childish. I don't care how intelligent you are, be a man. And define by something more significant than the skin between your legs. And as for the slave to technology comment. I wholeheartedly agree. WE are. And you are too. So, next time you play, send up some smoke signals, so we can all come running (or walking, or by horse or boat) to see you playing your acoustic guitar around a campfire. Without electricity to blow your hot air around, you're just a chump like the rest of us. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 23:17:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F4Fv922461; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:15:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:15:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <002301c51311$c3abdfc0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <002301c51311$c3abdfc0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <357dbe5e46580d362cf38f34df8c6ad5@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: RE: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:12:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609fe61bba4c50a48233107b153890a04252601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK Rich, You don't know a thing about me so you don't know as to what background I have and why I say these things. In defense of Tony, who offered his great music to the group I wanted him to be aware that he is to take everything with a grain of salt. respect to Rick and Bill they had my music for 7 months and chose not to listen to it or listened to it and chose to to comment. 7 months is a long time so I figured they heard it and just either hated it or just didn't understand. I do like the walker bros and do consider them very talented although I haven't heard Rick, I just KNOW he is. After spending my life around musicians I sort of figured that they chose not to comment because it wasn't what they grew up with. I could be wrong and like I said, respect to them, they are kind people but from hearing what Bill did at y2k4 I figured that he is a very fine musician but not the kind of musician that really creates a voice of his own. very good though and I appreciate the reconstructions of things I've heard before with all of the looping and stuff. There was actually a guy there reconstructing a paul Simon song with the looping and the stuff. What the hell are these people trying to do? You people are so delicate I figure that there ain't much going on. You talk with great language and gusto that I figure that it's about all you do. Lonely, eh? I have a beautiful wife and son and I host some of the best classical guitarists and composers on my website, travel to see them they travel to see me. They play my music. Lonely? I am no slave to technology unless you consider this computer one. I could write my pieces free hand instead of using Finale. I could send them snail rather than send a PDF to a performer. I'm busy as a composer, are you? Listen Rich with all due respect you can buy a dozen or so recordings of my music by some of the world's best classical guitarists. I don't even need to play just like that there Beethoven. I'm covered, are you? You're blowing hot air, as a matter of fact, most of you are because you don't live musically, you just think you do with the technology. Look me up and you'll find stuff, can I do the same for you? Hot air you say? You don't know me because you have no perspective and I know how crappy I am because I do have the perspective to know the world's greatest composers and musicians. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 23:20:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F4IlL23130; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:18:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:18:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <194.38820882.2f42d1ff@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:18:07 EST Subject: Re: RC-20 Start up problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/14/05 7:51:41 PM, jeryj9@yahoo.com writes: << He said he has experience with this kind of thing and will make sure that i'm not sending it in under warranty to pay for labor if it's just some loose connection. >> Makes me curious, so let me know what the problem turns out to be. thanks BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 23:20:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F4Hsq22938; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:17:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:17:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <002301c51311$c3abdfc0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <002301c51311$c3abdfc0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <30f03f08096c395e82632d8f5e0e26ac@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: RE: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:14:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609980b00327e8d7ba205ae3b31c8c10002350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah, With all due respect, The Toy Room pretty much explains it. Doesn't it? I ain't toying around biscuit. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 23:23:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F4LSC24066; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:21:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:21:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <002301c51311$c3abdfc0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> References: <002301c51311$c3abdfc0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: RE: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:18:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609980b00327e8d7ba20e1b295f00953c2d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: <1K_f-.A.f3F.4iXECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here you go Rich, The man Michael asked me what kind of perspective I had. So shut your hot air, respectfully I say unto you. Michael, perspective comes from a life of learning music of all kinds and an MFA as a composer/performer. I given a full scholarship at California Institute of the Arts for my compositions and performances of them. I don't call myself a doctor although an MFA is an artist's doctorate. They created this program using me as the test subject. When I taught college I was paid the same as a doctor. I am not my education though I am my own man in music and do have what you call "musical vision" if I am to believe what other people say about me. I may sound full of myself and I don't care. I am just stating what you asked. If I put my head in a noose then kick the chair out quick, or the horse or my cheap car. My father was an opera singer and cantor, my sister is an opera singer and jazz saxophonist, my other qualifications come from being immersed in the classical guitar world where I am a fairly well known composer. You can look me up on the Internet, we're all on there. I have my own site, like we all do but I usually talk about other people's great stuff. You can just look at http://www.newmillguitar.com/larrycooperman.html or lcreviews.html and there is my propaganda. I'm 53 years old and have been doing this since I was 17. I taught myself classical guitar after I ungrafted my sex organ from my forehead and grew up quickly as a classical musician. I studied classical music myself and at college and concentrated on music that was not for the guitar but for orchestra. My dad died on television singing "If I were a rich man." 10 second delay made it a private matter. From the time I was born I heard bel canto and Russian opera, orchestral music, Dixieland jazz, folk music and popular music all from my older siblings. I was stuck in music by biology and chose it. I continued past the music of my upbringing into contemporary classical music at the age of 18 or so. I performed electric guitar at the same time I was learning classical guitar and classical music. My father and sister were amateurs in their singing and playing but trained and always doing it. I am the only one of my family with a degree and chose CalArts because the music school is unlike others in so far as the composers in training study world music and jazz as well. A dozen recordings of my music exist by other performers and they are fairly highly regarded. I performed on the electric guitar with a 100 bands and my master's thesis was on backtones on the Yamaha SBG-1000. Backtones are the logarithmic inverse of the fretting system, the headstock pitches and the pitches from the bridge to the rigid bar. I am no egg head and prefer to get stoned and free improvise in no context except what I ate for breakfast and what human sacrifices are offered to improvise with. You do too I'll bet. The creation of the moment is just as important as the highly contrived written piece with everything accounted for. I'd venture to say it is more important because it is a clear indication that you are alive. I scored for dancers with the backtone electric guitar with transducer nut and processors. I scored a short film called "Clouds Like White Elephants" a Hemmingway short story. I guess we've all done this kind of thing and I just offer it to you to broaden my "perspective." I performed in a jazz band called "Dawn's Early Light" with Steve Ellington, Duke's nephew. I was the only sort of white guy in the band. I am immersed as a life not as a living. I sell expensive guitars for a living and collection of mechanical royalties amount to very little because it is classical music. I have opinions on girls asses because they are usually clothed. I have opinions on other things too but music, I make judgments because it is my life and my nature. I guess the village killed Frankenstein, they had a strong opinion. Thank you for asking Michael. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 14 23:55:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F4tNY30835; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:55:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:55:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42118090.6000002@pdq.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:54:40 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: References: <002301c51311$c3abdfc0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <30f03f08096c395e82632d8f5e0e26ac@newmillguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <30f03f08096c395e82632d8f5e0e26ac@newmillguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, a whining bitch, AND an egomaniac. I'm just using less words to send back a taste of your own medicine, pops. Your opinion, disguised by you as some sort of universal fundamental, means absolutely nothing to me. Larry Cooperman wrote: > Oh yeah, > With all due respect, The Toy Room pretty much explains it. Doesn't > it? I ain't toying around biscuit. > > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 00:19:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F5Ikp04350; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:18:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:18:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: RE: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:16:43 -0800 Message-ID: <002601c5131d$8bb680a0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <30f03f08096c395e82632d8f5e0e26ac@newmillguitar.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com See? That's the great thing about you Larry. You hop to any chance to fight and be an arrogant ass. Intelligent, indifferent, talented, yes...but still a mean spiteful ass. Hey, I'm just calling it as I see it, right? Great...give me paragraphs about who you are and all that blah, blah, blah. I can get the same shit and more from Dr. Z, or any other number of over-the top smart guys in this world. And yes, you can look me up at my site at www.asopaque.com. You can even comment if you like. If I don't hear from you in seven months, I'll figure that you hated it. So, I'll be the biscuit and you'll be the bitch. Whatever. Ok, so you're not lonely. Good for you! How assumptive of me (it gets to the best of us, don't it) But, see...I've got a beautiful wife, too. And very talented friends who I work and collaborate with. I'm a bad ass digital photoretoucher and designer, with an art degree to boot. My work includes clients like Speedo, Guess?, Kenwood, Vans, QSC, Bell, and others. www.nvm2c.com Do you care? I didn't think so. So why should I care about: "Listen Rich with all due respect you can buy a dozen or so recordings of my music by some of the world's best classical guitarists. I don't even need to play just like that there Beethoven. I'm covered, are you? You're blowing hot air, as a matter of fact, most of you are because you don't live musically, you just think you do with the technology." Really...Why should I care? That you're LIVING as a composer? Is that a requirement here? Should I be banned because I'm a creative hobbyist/amateur? Or hold my tongue? Sit in the corner and shut up while holding my biscuits? Hahaha... It appears you enjoy starting fires, and tonight I stepped up and here we are in a pissing contest. What fun! But if you expect me to be a supplicant because of your resume, forget it. You wouldn't give me that respect. Don't expect it back. "You don't know me because you have no perspective and I know how crappy I am because I do have the perspective to know the world's greatest composers and musicians." I'm not even sure what to make of this...you keep repeating this theme, that we, or I, have no perspective. In my opinion, that's EXACTLY what we have, our OWN perspective of life, music, etc. Why do you keep expecting this massive understanding of 'your' perspective when you belittle mine? And do you want some sort of credit for feeling crappy in the face of someone musically better than you? Join the team. Flame on, Rich Aka: biscuit boy -----Original Message----- From: Larry Cooperman [mailto:coop@newmillguitar.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Re: Oh yeah, With all due respect, The Toy Room pretty much explains it. Doesn't it? I ain't toying around biscuit. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com __________ NOD32 1.987 (20050128) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 00:30:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F5U6a05697; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:30:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:30:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42118890.8030105@iinet.net.au> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:28:48 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: musical judgement and perspective (was Re:) References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <42116620.6020205@iinet.net.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry and the loopers on list, Larry, your achievements are impressive and humbling for my admittedly baby steps chops. I also admire your privilege, having more or less raised myself in a working class, musically illiterate family (by your standards, at least). All I have are my ears and what the sounds of the world can teach me about structure, proportionality, harmony and disharmony and a broader acoustic perspective. In short, a musician I am not by your standards, even if I try to apply such an acoustic perspective to musical instruments. I do have some questions, then, and other's on the list should feel free to contribute to such a discussion. Where does 'looping' then fit in with this very clearly marked classical and jazz canon from which you appear to be working? You say that we are slaves to technology, but can I ask in what ways we can engage with looping as a musical technology without enslaving ourselves? Personally, my instruments of choice are found sounds, synthesised sounds and, like yourself, classical guitar. Unlike yourself, I have no classical training, and as such, turned to looping to provide a real-time acoustic echo to learn more about the sounds I am making with the guitar. I have mainly relied on listening to learn what little I know, and in some ways have come to think of looping tools as a "third ear" with which to allow some critical distance from the things I am doing with the guitar. Nonetheless, however, I also use looping tools because it's fun! Afterall, one should be 'play-ing' an instrument, not just working it. Sooo, my point is? At 28, I have to say that my musical journey is still beginning. I should like to take it further and really push my personal boundaries with regards to music, but I know that I doubtfully will ever have the privilege or education to, as you say, break the rules from a position of thoroughly knowing them. So I stand on the shoulders of those who have already attempted to break them. Which is ultimately the pretense at the heart of the issue here. Rules are a social system of control that can become very oppressive, and also a system that accepts very few into the inner circle of fully knowing these rules. So the looping as a technological enslavement issue is to me not about enslavement, but personal surrender to an alternate system. I know that one system is closed off to me - that of classical and jazz music - and I also am inspired nonetheless by what I hear coming from that system. So the rejection hurts. It is a paradox to be sure, but in the surrender to and learning of a technological system one can find a very rewarding and enriching freedom from the constraints imposed by other, perhaps more social systems - a type of self reinforcement that I can in fact be master of a domain, even if it is a limited technical domain. Slowly and surely I am opening the definition of that technical system to include sound, and eventually, hopefully, music. Whether that's music to your ears or not is not much of a concern to me, I'm just another human trying to get by and have a little fun and retain personal integrity in the process. Since I don't want especially to be judged for not conforming to the standards of a privileged few, for now I don't call myself a musician... sincerely michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 00:43:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F5gMj07618; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:42:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:42:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Re: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:41:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002301c51311$c3abdfc0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, I drift on and off this list, partly because I get busy with work and partly because of flame wars like this. life is too short for such nonsense. I appreciate people coming to our defense. But lets put the thread to rest, OK? I don't know why anyone feels compelled to rip others, particularly in the context of a web site devoted to music. In hindsight, I probably should have ignored Larry's comments. I know a lot of musicians, and a few of them I know I would describe as "jazz snobs". I'm dealing with one such person in a band context right now, who I can tell has no affinity whatsoever for the music the band is covering, a mix of soca calypso reggae and afro beat. And even though he is a great jazz player and monster bassist, the fact that he is bored and indifferent to the music really shows in his playing. He acts like any music without a high degree of harmonic complexity is somehow inferior. There is no passion in his groove, and it is hurting the band. he really should leave the band before he gets booted out. If all this technology shit bores you and is beneath you Larry, its really ok to step away, like you suggested you would, before you dashed off another fusillade of vitriol. Good Luck Bill -----Original Message----- From: the toy room [mailto:thetoyroom@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 7:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: >You may be Beethoven or highly creative. I don't know. I figure most of you are slaves to technology and this is a shame. You've put some great thoughts on this list Larry, and I appreciate you getting under our collective skin at times, but this recent thread is pretty much petty bullshit, in my opinion. Yes, I get it that you get off on other people not liking you. Oooh, you're so indifferent that you really 'don't care'. Good for you...i guess. But then be a bitter, lonely person. Or just be supplicated by people who think you're neat because you're so intelligent, or musical, or bitchy, or whatever. Personally, I really get off on people who have the intelligence and fire that you possess, but also have a humility and humanity about them. It makes them more accessible, admirable, and ulitimately inspirational. If you wish to be none of those things, that's ok, too. Again, you get to be whoever you choose to be. That's all we all are doing. And you are choosing to use your time, electricity and technology to come here and, on occasion, belittle people. For what? What do you gain? Making us 'see the light'? Of how trapped and stupid and futile and ignorant we all are? Ok, granted...i'm stupid, and a slave. So are you in the grand scheme of things. Respect and admiration are not given, they are earned. That's why a lot of us dig Rick and Bill. Because with very little regard for their own selfish motives (of which we all have many), they effortlessly GIVE. Advice, help, compliments, constructive criticism, whatever. It cool. And then they'll turn around and say something laughingly self-depracative that brings them such a human quality. And then they'll step up and play MUSIC with talent and aplomb. Jeez, you're gonna be spiteful towards that? You don't have to like their music, or them. That's cool. But being a little bitch and putting them on a false pedestal to only then try to knock it down is childish. I don't care how intelligent you are, be a man. And define by something more significant than the skin between your legs. And as for the slave to technology comment. I wholeheartedly agree. WE are. And you are too. So, next time you play, send up some smoke signals, so we can all come running (or walking, or by horse or boat) to see you playing your acoustic guitar around a campfire. Without electricity to blow your hot air around, you're just a chump like the rest of us. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 01:20:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F6DHO13012; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:13:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:13:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <42116620.6020205@iinet.net.au> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:11:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Re: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:48 PM -0800 2/14/05, Larry Cooperman wrote: >an MFA is an artist's doctorate I've always thought the DMA (Doctor of Musical Arts) degree was an artist's doctorate. My partner has one of these from Stanford, where it typically takes four years of study beyond a Bachelor's degree. My assumption was that a Master's degree (either MA or MFA) is a one or two year program and that doctoral programs usually take four or five years. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 02:16:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F7EhT21553; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:14:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:14:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:03:17 -0800 To: Summit63@yahoogroups.com, LAcomposers@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RZ multichannel music articles on line Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1103670957==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1103670957==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Some of my writing about multichannel music has recently been published on line in issue 7.4 of the Canadian Electroacoustic Community's eContact! journal: http://cec.concordia.ca/econtact/Multichannel/index.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1103670957==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RZ multichannel music articles on line
Some of my writing about multichannel music has recently been published on line in issue 7.4 of the Canadian Electroacoustic Community's eContact! journal:

http://cec.concordia.ca/econtact/Multichannel/index.html
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--============_-1103670957==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 02:47:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F7jpY24894; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:45:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:45:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8691A0B8-7F25-11D9-9D00-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:45:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK this is obviously a full on flamewar. here goes ... On Feb 14, 2005, at 6:58 PM, Larry Cooperman wrote: > On Feb 14, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: >> On Feb 14, 2005, at 2:39 PM, William Walker wrote: >>> Hey Larry, if you are taking pot shots at me or my brother, why >>> don't you >>> just come out and say it rather than imply it? The truth is I >>> haven't gotten >> yeah i gotta say that trashing the Walkers isn't very cool at all. > oh, the great walker bros. i gotta say that talking shit bout' lefty > ain't kosher "great walker bros" hmm you know man, i understood some of the criticisms of loopstock regarding the idea of looping music vs music which utilises tools HOWEVER i can acknowledge any small community and the supporters and networks which it values. and i feel that rick walker's loopstock is a good thing. a very good thing. enough that i think you are unfair of criticising him for not understanding art music. unfair enough to be called on it. > have you ever said anything true Eric? are you really a musician or a > high school chump? well i'm 27 but not above hanging out with high school musicians. if you wish to hold this against me feel free. older musicians in the peoria area lack a willingness to do what it takes for the sake of music itself. > you don't know what humble is until you've really listened to what's > out there in the way of art music. looping, really you're right. i know fuck all. i can't play "summertime" in reggae time on a hammond b-3 with a live drummer and left-hand and pedal bass, adjusting Eventide parameters and PCM-80 looping functions IN BETWEEN bass notes with my left hand and building a diatonic space bed with my right hand on a Moog as the drums continue on in preperation for my solo. no fucking way dude. i'm obviously an asshole. if i knew anything about art music there's no way i'd move from improvised diatonic 8th note synth sequences into a synth pop cover with a classic piece of textural instrumental music wedged in the instrumental solo section. and if i did it certainly wouldn't be located here: http://suitandtieguy.com/sounds/best_of_the_barn_jams/ stgb_barn_west_end_stratosfear.mp3 you're right. i have no experience in art music whatsoever. pardon me while i go masturbate to some john cage records to humble myself in the ways of art music. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 02:59:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F7wPD26657; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:58:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:58:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=b1SAYhSSQ/4aCPLm7ROrzvVeogG/93DogUG68RESR9t+7RQVrBB+iGH+K1zRwD+rJy5ckfcbsuQ5PHmHy3qGZcK2ySfoSyc+sny62SvI4TkRH0HrjQJLstab3b4Mr/2gQomibBiqKSjdewsX8SGX7kJdyESP4bMNubBVgGKZUPQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:57:53 -0800 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: In-Reply-To: <8691A0B8-7F25-11D9-9D00-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8691A0B8-7F25-11D9-9D00-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:48 PM -0800 2/14/05, Larry Cooperman wrote: >an MFA is an artist's doctorate You should look into this Larry. My girlfriend has a doctorate and she says if MFA is all you have then you are no Doctor. By the way, your grammar really sucks for your age, your "education" and your superiority complex. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 03:35:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F8XtI32592; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:33:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:33:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.205.27] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gizmodo-Instant cutting edge Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:31:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2005 08:32:00.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1C8C7E0:01C51338] Resent-Message-ID: <2k5mKD.A.m5H.HObECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/musical-instruments/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 04:03:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F91xr03809; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:01:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:01:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <343bffcdf66547baa541e41588b16d2a@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Gizmodo-Instant cutting edge Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:59:51 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 15, 2005, at 9:31, samba - wrote: > http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/musical-instruments/ Thanks for posting that link. The "Sonic City" really caught my interest! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 04:23:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F9L4h06443; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:21:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:21:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4211BEB8.48C44153@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:19:53 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Prodigal Son Comes Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I interrupt my sporadic bitter web archive lurking to resubscribe and interject a wholly unsolicited commentary. See, I actually went to school with Larry Cooperman about a decade ago - I had just showed up at CalArts as an undergraduate in the guitar program, and he was getting his MFA there. I remember him as an extremely accomplished classical guitarist and composer, a guy who did some interesting things with electric guitar and electronic processing (including loops), and an extremely confrontational and prickly personality. I remember one particular discussion in Guitar Workshop (the weekly guitar department hang session) where an electronic performance of Larry's was being discussed. Stuart Fox, the head of the program (and a very serious classical guitarist who is also quite involved with applying the guitar to electronic music) was asking Larry a question about how he was using the loops on his JamMan. At one point, Larry made a comment about the limits of the JamMan by stating, "You know, they're LOOPS." The point being that there was a very implicit set of fixed parameters and limitations to it. This was probably a year or so before I bought my Echoplex, but every now and then Larry's comment - "they're just LOOPS!" - has echoed in my head (no pun intended) over the last ten years, as I've worked with the Echoplex and tried to find ways of confronting whatever built-in preconceptions I might have had about the possible limits of working with loops. So, I remember Larry as being a very intelligent guy, with a lot of talent, who seemed to have a pretty skeptical opinion about the potential range of looping, and who had a serious knack (and possibly even a healthy amount of glee) in provoking people. Some things never change, I guess. Larry is clearly not prepared to take serious criticism from people who lack the kind of musical understanding that he holds so dear to himself and his estimable background. That's certainly his right. By that same token, I'm not sure I would be prepared to take criticism about looping seriously if it came from a guy who has had clearly stated reservations about the approach for at least the last decade, and who apparently can't work through the manual for an Echoplex Digital Pro. I wouldn't even begin to take myself seriously in assessing the originality or uniqueness or "meaning" of a classical guitarist/composer, as I lack any meaningful understanding of the specific world you inhabit. So I'm not sure where a person with Larry's background is coming from in saying (for example) that a fantastic, musical, expressive player like Bill Walker doesn't have his own voice. Bill's operating in a context with a musical lineage that can trace itself to people like Paul Dresher, Michael Brook, David Torn, Robert Fripp, and Terry Riley, just to name a few of the most obvious touchstones. From that point of view, I've heard Bill do some extremely creative and unique things as a player. If you're going to judge somebody's work - and especially if you're going to make conclusions about the meaning of their music in the context of their life in general - then it seems to me that the barest minimum requirement is to judge it in the appropriate context. And that context is not about what kind of degree you have, or whether you hang out with Segovia's ghost at the local Ouija board house. It's about understanding the particular musical dialect a person is speaking, and knowing the proper historical context for that dialect. (And maybe even being able to speak it with a fair amount of fluency onesself.) Stirring shit up is fine, as long as you're willing to spend time picking turds out of your beard. Recognizing and acknowledging the immense limitations of one's own abilities, when compared to the vast and unknowable immensity that is the world of music, is a really healthy and sobering thing, though it tends to sound a bit insincere when "qualified" by endless paragraphs trumpeting the breadth and depth of one's own resume. And accusing other musicians of being stuck in a regressive teenaged mindset is an interesting thing to do, particularly when it's accompanied by the more or less explicit statement that "That's not an opinion, that's a fact, because it's how I feel." Ah well. Glad to hear the career is going well, Mr. Cooperman, and that time hasn't diminished your immense musical talent, or your singular charm and interpersonal panache. I've had an interesting time of it too, since we last talked. I don't know how my work measures up to any particular yardstick in the grand scheme of things, but it sure was great to see a pair of beautiful girls dancing to my solo guitar loops for half an hour at a party last October. Right now I have to go practice for a series of gigs next month, using five Echoplexes at the same time. It was actually booked by a classical guitarist named Dominic Frasca, who plays solo arrangements of Philip Glass tunes, and has recorded some of Phil's work for widespread release. I'd be curious to hear the two of you debate the relative merits of looping (or merely your respective resumes) some time... In the meantime, my advice: if you don't enjoy a list, or the climate therein, you can always unsubscribe! It worked (and continues to work) for me... Singing off (again), --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 04:49:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1F9mn310155; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:48:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:48:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.144.122] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Aarset gear / Turkish sound Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:46:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2005 09:47:07.0175 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FC19370:01C51343] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Thanks Sim, I just love it when you are introduced to a new artist that >>really excites you. Thanks again! you're very welcome sir! >>which bootlegs are those? have a look at www.molvaer.de >>I'd guess it's eBow on some frettless guitar (or even an electric oud >>of some sort) -- along with some other processing. but that's why it's so cool - it isn't! sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 05:21:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FAK1G15733; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:20:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:20:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: Jesus Larry Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:20:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c51347$fc124a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_HTxLB.A.c0D.pycECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys, you really feel young again! I didn't see a pseudo-intellectual flame war like this since back in '88 (we had founded a BBS network similar to fido back then). You know, Jesus once said something about flame wars. Any Christians out there? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 05:29:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FAT6C17838; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:29:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:29:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Jesus Larry Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:27:58 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c51349$08cdc2d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000601c51347$fc124a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1FAQsS17322 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (sorry, meant to say "make me feel young") -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Februar 2005 11:21 An: Looper's Delight Mailing List Betreff: Jesus Larry Hey guys, you really feel young again! I didn't see a pseudo-intellectual flame war like this since back in '88 (we had founded a BBS network similar to fido back then). You know, Jesus once said something about flame wars. Any Christians out there? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 08:46:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FDigi15035; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:44:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:44:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050215133102.02b32150@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:41:13 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:For your listening amusement In-Reply-To: <200502141853.j1EIrSd08584@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502141853.j1EIrSd08584@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 18:53 14/02/05, you wrote: >Brutal honesty is appreciated. hi Tony, yep, I liked it. Continually changing, yet cohesive. Hints of Takemitsu. the only thing I'd say change is that a minority of the sounds are a bit obvious (kind of "General Midi preset" to my ears) >http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Singularity.mp3 andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 08:56:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FDtNG16341; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:55:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:55:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4672178.1108475642997.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:54:02 -0800 From: toejam00@mac.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 211.124.94.224/instID=138 Resent-Message-ID: <2suU1C.A.y9D.C8fECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry, Why don't you find an SUV site and give them a bit of your horse 'n' buggy perspective on things. You ain't into looping. You certainly aren't delighting. Wrong list, dude. Toejam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 09:10:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FE91w19691; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:09:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:09:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <11416083.1108476375856.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:06:15 -0800 From: toejam00@mac.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 211.124.94.224/instID=138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PS Larry. There's a lot of good technical advice on this list. If you weren't such a pompous ass, I'm sure that people would help you learn how to put all that gear to good use. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 10:01:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FEwv926305; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:58:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:58:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:00:41 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gizmodo-Instant cutting edge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, samba - wrote: > http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/musical-instruments/ And another place I like to look occasionally that includes weird ebay finds, historical references, etc. is http://musicthing.blogspot.com/ best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 10:20:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FFIQC30768; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:18:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:18:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <14734926.1108480654997.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:17:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: truce??? Re: RE: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It saddens me to see my talented penpals getting all steamed at each other. In the words of a famous crackhead, "can't we all just get along?" ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: Larry Cooperman Sent: Feb 14, 2005 11:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Re: Oh yeah, With all due respect, The Toy Room pretty much explains it. Doesn't it? I ain't toying around biscuit. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 11:06:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FG4TQ07080; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:04:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:04:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-5721-1108483378-0001-2" Message-Id: <42121D39.000011.03608@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:03:05 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <000601c51347$fc124a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jesus Larry X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: <4qxXgB.A.moB.00hECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. 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--=_flawless.real.com-5721-1108483378-0001-3-- --=_flawless.real.com-5721-1108483378-0001-2 Content-Type: image/gif; name="reallogo.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <9F20BD20-DD68-442E-9899-658DCF765A01> R0lGODlhSwAnAMQAABcUEc/f7IuKiABXmqmnpl9dWzMzM1CMuq/K3////4CrzUCBsyBsp5mZmcbF xFBOTOLi4X17evHx8SYjIHChxp/A2dTU00NAPhBioLa1tDB3rd/q8mCWwL/V5mZmZv4BAiH5BAUU AB8ALAAAAABLACcAAAX/YCKOZGmeaKqubLshyrEwQz0wy6EgW+v/PgSHZisabZhDRQJsAgMczHFK rR0Qziyqs6h6qwyFFgVxmM0nCeer0SkUlfdbBsaOSQ+AHnAxdaRTGhQdPgEVB1MUdyN7ehElFVMY HD1ZGwoLFHJviw6NABkkkUccTIunJgKfpgkBRxiEKQQCtAIECQQFBhOhIhYRDxcADwUErCQQDQ8G ewYPEQ54jX0jGkYYASvMex55ehNMDsKf3w0lDeSfHoyNjyIdR9kqEOl7Arj1jfciBJ/OE59ueWrU K8GaImJW9KsHLsMnARAkoGsEQcQ2RyIkXARwT1UjVkRsVFLhwR+BihAs/2zcJ8KbHnMpBu655ZIP iSMtNk6oOMJCPnIsMwgo8CBYOgsJPrkTgXMFvXbnfn4y1wCg1AkJZOopmMBakWMnFu6JRsKjHgO1 0taCYFbPhQgCMhSwCqBAgrYAjh20UWFFyUYmxAIwoK2RXRFP95irSW2EqyIYwJbY+MCEBLp1zeC9 9elCRQvj9iBVagJREQ2SET8MKxXAugQb82HVCspyyBoa5JUQDIBsYMyNJrC0AJxP6Lp3V1UtEQAQ koQkHKhVCKzog7iWG3S7Hq1B2mizalHFyvx2jTCpUalPY5rUkiYSNimgQCH9+hEInB/RwEFBB90o KKDfAIrcx0J8A34BYHMF5jEQi4EtSFCBV18wMAIXR9QHoRMBUGCeEX1t0J4NDm54xwYVcNBFEQxs sFcRGpqo3gYddEChERo8KON6EiQ4AHQ73vcibgAGOeM1QBq53ogLjKTkevDUgEFfT0K44gFOVqle JBjYoaWBFBxg35dkBhkCADs= --=_flawless.real.com-5721-1108483378-0001-2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 11:18:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FGHH009112; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:17:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:17:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2426.12.202.55.206.1108484138.squirrel@webmail.sep.com> In-Reply-To: <42121D39.000011.03608@A7V266E-XP-USER> References: <000601c51347$fc124a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <42121D39.000011.03608@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:15:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Jesus Larry From: tcombs@sep.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here... > not here... > > > > > > From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: 02/15/05 02:19:24 > To: Looper's Delight Mailing List > Subject: Jesus Larry > > Any Christians out there? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 11:43:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FGfil12549; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:41:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:41:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <42118090.6000002@pdq.net> References: <002301c51311$c3abdfc0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <30f03f08096c395e82632d8f5e0e26ac@newmillguitar.com> <42118090.6000002@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Re: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:36:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c26097c0abfe075d23ce0fe7c42a54c0c592e666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good Morning, What is this, round three? > Wow, a whining bitch, AND an egomaniac. Um, OK. I did say that I know how crappy my music is. do you know? Do you have the perspective to know that? > > I'm just using less words to send back a taste of your own medicine, > pops. Thank you so much young person. Out of the mouths of babes... > > Your opinion, disguised by you as some sort of universal fundamental, > means absolutely nothing to me. I'm sure about that! You know I can really, really tell it means nothing to you. > > > Larry Cooperman wrote: > >> Oh yeah, >> With all due respect, The Toy Room pretty much explains it. Doesn't >> it? I ain't toying around biscuit. >> >> Larry Cooperman >> New Millennium Guitar >> http://www.newmillguitar.com >> >> > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 11:48:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FGk5p13303; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:46:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:46:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_serpico.real.com-16553-1108485842-0001-2" Message-Id: <421226DA.000017.03608@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:44:10 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_serpico.real.com-16553-1108485842-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_serpico.real.com-16553-1108485842-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_serpico.real.com-16553-1108485842-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D Can we just end this....=0D ....there is not much value in continuing....I am sure everyone i= s properly indignant by now.=0D =0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 02/15/05 08:39:21=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: Re:=0D =0D Good Morning,=0D =0D What is this, round three?=0D =0D > Wow, a whining bitch, AND an egomaniac.=0D =0D Um, OK. 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 Can we just end this....
        ....there is not much value in= continuing....I am sure everyone is properly indignant by now.
 
 
Date: 02/15/05 08:= 39:21
Subject: Re: Re:
 
Good Morning,
 
What is this, round three?
 
> Wow, a whining bitch, AND an egomaniac.
 
Um, OK.  I did say that I know how crappy my music is.&nbs= p; do you know?
Do you have the perspective to know that?
>
> I'm just using less words to send back a taste of your own medi= cine,
> pops.
 
Thank you so much young person.  Out of the mouths of babe= s...
>
> Your opinion, disguised by you as some sort of universal fundam= ental,
> means absolutely nothing to me.
 
I'm sure about that!  You know I can really, really tell i= t means
nothing to you.
>
>
> Larry Cooperman wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah,
>> With all due respect, The Toy Room pretty much explains it.=   Doesn't
>> it?  I ain't toying around biscuit.
>>
>> Larry Cooperman
>> New Millennium Guitar
>>
>>
>
>
Larry Cooperman
New Millennium Guitar
 
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That's the great thing about you Larry. You hop to any chance to > fight and be an arrogant ass. Intelligent, indifferent, talented, > yes...but still a mean spiteful ass. Hey, I'm just calling it as I see > it, right? Good Morning Toy, Yes, I am. > > Great...give me paragraphs about who you are and all that blah, blah, > blah. I was asked by a young man in AU. As I said to him, you can use this to hang me. He asked, I didn't volunteer. > I can get the same shit and more from Dr. Z, or any other number of > over-the top smart guys in this world. > > And yes, you can look me up at my site at www.asopaque.com. > > You can even comment if you like. If I don't hear from you in seven > months, I'll figure that you hated it. Sue, I've got all the time in the world. > > So, I'll be the biscuit and you'll be the bitch. Whatever. > > Ok, so you're not lonely. Well I am lonely for pedestrian banter but you've satisfied me. > Good for you! How assumptive of me (it gets > to the best of us, don't it) But, see...I've got a beautiful wife, > too. > And very talented friends who I work and collaborate with. I'm a bad > ass digital photoretoucher and designer, with an art degree to boot. > My > work includes clients like Speedo, Guess?, Kenwood, Vans, QSC, Bell, > and > others. www.nvm2c.com > > Do you care? I didn't think so. So why should I care about: > > "Listen Rich with all due respect you can buy a dozen or so recordings > of my music by some of the world's best classical guitarists. I don't > even need to play just like that there Beethoven. I'm covered, are > you? You're blowing hot air, as a matter of fact, most of you are > because you don't live musically, you just think you do with the > technology." Well this is not a photo group. > > Really...Why should I care? > That you're LIVING as a composer? Is that a requirement here? Should > I > be banned because I'm a creative hobbyist/amateur? Or hold my tongue? > Sit in the corner and shut up while holding my biscuits? Hahaha... No, you shouldn't care. No one asked you to hold your cunning lingual. > > It appears you enjoy starting fires, and tonight I stepped up and here > we are in a pissing contest. What fun! My bladder hurts, pardon me. > > But if you expect me to be a supplicant because of your resume, forget > it. You wouldn't give me that respect. Don't expect it back. Yes, as I said, I was asked by someone. I didn't volunteer and knew that this would happen. I have been on this list for 7 months and never mentioned my resume, only when asked. > > "You don't know me because you have no perspective and I know > how crappy I am because I do have the perspective to know the world's > greatest composers and musicians." > > I'm not even sure what to make of this...you keep repeating this theme, > that we, or I, have no perspective. In my opinion, that's EXACTLY what > we have, our OWN perspective of life, music, etc. Why do you keep > expecting this massive understanding of 'your' perspective when you > belittle mine? And do you want some sort of credit for feeling crappy > in the face of someone musically better than you? Join the team. Like I said I was asked for my resume. Toy room. My kid has one. Now, can I get off of the list there moderator? Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 12:01:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FH14e17483; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:01:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:01:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:03:24 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Larry Cooperman Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: RE: RE: Re: In-Reply-To: <09f27dfe29a56146c1d73cd105b70ceb@newmillguitar.com> Message-ID: References: <002601c5131d$8bb680a0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <09f27dfe29a56146c1d73cd105b70ceb@newmillguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <-zFuYB.A.COE.upiECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Larry Cooperman wrote: [snip] > Now, can I get off of the list there moderator? > Larry Cooperman DIY. From http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html (below is copied from the webpage at the URL above, not composed by me): ------------------ "I'm sorry, I need to unsubscribe from Looper's Delight. How do I do that? It's not that I dislike people there or anything, you understand. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork." ------------------ regards, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Susbcape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 12:04:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FH3tY18300; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:03:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:03:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:54:16 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland MC-09 In-Reply-To: <9042c7caff2b1d6c62668f348e4fc577@igmbergen.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1FH1eS17581 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The MC09 is a very strange piece of gear for Roland to have made. It's part Groovebox but not really. It has a clone of what is perhaps the most hyped electornic instrument ever (the TB303) but no one ever even mentioned that. It is called a "phrase looper" but in fact that seems to be almost an add-on rather than a major useful component. in particular the Phrase looper works by sending external audio or the internal sounds (Bassline, drums, etc) to one of the four "channels" You capture the loop and then set the slider in the mixer section and bring it up or down in volume. It sounds somewhat lofi and has a bit of aliasing to it IMO. When you turn it off the loop and internalmemory is lost unless you save it to 3.3 VT smartcard. the only problem with this is loading from a smartcard on the MC09 is Verrrrrry Sloooooooow. I mean horribly so. I have saved patterns from the internal synth on it (only a fraction of the size of an actual sample) and those take abotu 10-20 seconds ot load. I have never sucessufully waited to save a sample, i just give up and turn the thing off. As a little twiddle synth and acid/box it is very cool IMO. It can so a reasonable TB303 under certain alighnments but also can do other more intersting things. The sliide and accent programing are infuriating and canel each other out at time but on it's own merits (ie: not calling it a TB303 clone) it can be quirky and fun. I did a track with it and an EMS SynthiA on my downloads page: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/samples.htm (it's under Music For Isolation Tanks "MFIT 2004 - Track updated 7/04") All the drums and sequenced parts are the MC09 caputred into it's own phrase looper. There is a live twiddled MC09 part and then the Synthi under and over it all here and there. I have no idea about midi implementation but if you're looking for an inexpensive plastic fun looper you might do a lot better with something like the SP202. if you want a cute bubbling synth with some loop features the MC09 might be worth a spin. Personally at the current price (about $125 or so US) I think it's a steal for anyone who digs experimental electornic tools and is a bit outside the box. On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, jan wrote: > Someone told me about the Roland MC-09 > I have looked at parts of the manual, and it has 4 banks with 6 sec > loop space each that one can fill with an audiosignal through the line > in. Don´t know how to go about controlling the thing (midi footcontroller, > expression) or if its possible to add to loop or any other features. > Perhaps someone here has some insights? ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 12:12:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FHBAp19386; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:11:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:11:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42122CAF.2030709@neoprimitive.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:09:03 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: References: <002601c5131d$8bb680a0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <09f27dfe29a56146c1d73cd105b70ceb@newmillguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <09f27dfe29a56146c1d73cd105b70ceb@newmillguitar.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f27d39c61348bfac2be2afc8ee7cadac350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry Cooperman wrote: > > Now, can I get off of the list there moderator? > No, don't go. You're a great source of entertainment. Even without an instrument. These angry musician flame wars are the funniest things. However, if you must, come on, find the subscription page yourself. You found it once, you can do it again. Don't whine to the mod. Although, that usually makes for some funny threads, too. :) -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 12:27:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FHOu021935; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:24:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:24:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:23:30 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some of you may recall that about 9 months ago during an embarrassing bout of hubris, I announced that I was writing a Windows looping application that emulated a Loop IV EDP. It probably comes as no surprise that I underestimated how hard that was going to be :-) But I'm pleased (and relieved) to finally say that a public beta of the Mobius looping device is now available. You can find it at www.zonemobius.com. It was developed on Windows XP, should run on W2K and ME, but might not run on 98. Mobius is essentially 8 independent stereo EDPs with the ability to copy loops and timing between them. Extensive MIDI, computer keyboard, and UI button control is provided. Progress through the loop is displayed as a horizontal "thermometer" annotated with markers that show when quantized functions will occur. Loops (including complete layer histories) may be saved to and loaded from files. I believe there is fairly complete coverage of features except for three notable areas: Loop Windowing, Interface Mode, and external synchronization. I'm working on loop windowing now. Andy Butler made the wise suggestion not to get too fixated on a perfect emulation and instead implement features the way they made sense to me. I do have an EDP and use it to cross check behavior, but if you are an expert you will notice some differences. Most of these are discussed in the user's manual. While anyone is welcome to try it out, it would be best if you already have some knowledge of the EDP. For obvious reasons I don't have the resources to replicate the EDP manual, the documentation I do have is concerned mostly with configuration and how Mobius is different than the EDP. This is a true beta, so it's still a little rough around the edges. Basic operations should work but as you explore the fringes you may find problems. PLEASE report them. There is no immediate plan for a Mac port or a VST plugin. I am finding it easier and more interesting to evolve Mobius as a standalone application that can host VST plugins and provide the optimized performance features I want, rather than having it be a VST plugin and wrestle with host interaction issues. That may change once I start exploring Ableton Live, but not for awhile. I hope some of you find this as entertaining as I do. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 12:30:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FHSFF22996; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:28:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:28:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 65.1.253.215 Message-ID: <42123074.8020608@funkstille.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:25:08 -0500 From: Matt Cordrey User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Midi Pedal Suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shopping for a midi foot controller and looking for any recommendations from this group. (I'm using the EDP, among other things.) Thanks much! Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 12:35:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FHXBX23937; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:33:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:33:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502151731.j1FHVFS23636@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: LIST Archive was RE: [LOOP] Re: RE: RE: Re: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:31:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUTf/MVukNIODqOTEq1DIF3GFiBlgAA4l8w Resent-Message-ID: <5i_al.A.mxF.jHjECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While we are on this topic.... Kim: Do you think you could investigate the possibility of mangling our email addresses in the archive even though I use three levels of aliasing and multiple redirects with serverside and clientside filtering ;D I still get a lot of garbage from spammers and this is the only place I use this email address right now that the address is visible on a web page? > DIY. From http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html (below is copied from the webpage at the URL above, not composed by me): ------------------ "I'm sorry, I need to unsubscribe from Looper's Delight. How do I do that? It's not that I dislike people there or anything, you understand. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 12:37:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FHZlv24596; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:35:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:35:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: Re: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:34:47 +0000 Message-Id: <021520051734.13421.421232B70003B90E0000346D22069984990301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my last post on this thread. thanks, Andre for returning for a moment and your thoughts. to larry, no thanks for being a mean spirited person, who will attack at multiple angles to obtain the primary objective, which is to belittle and insult. you're good at it. have fun. i realized at the posts went on that defending myself was a losing battle of one-upmanship that you enjoy playing much more than I do. As much as i'm a competitive creature, it doesn't do my spirit any good to have an internet fist fight. gonna check out for a while, folks. apologies for fanning the flames... best regards, Rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 12:49:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FHlLh26536; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:47:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:47:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:45:44 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: historical perspective In-reply-to: <42122CAF.2030709@neoprimitive.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42123548.3020207@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <002601c5131d$8bb680a0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <09f27dfe29a56146c1d73cd105b70ceb@newmillguitar.com> <42122CAF.2030709@neoprimitive.net> Resent-Message-ID: <4lHMo.A._bG.JVjECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse Lucas wrote: > Larry Cooperman wrote: > >> >> Now, can I get off of the list there moderator? >> > > No, don't go. You're a great source of entertainment. Even without an > instrument. These angry musician flame wars are the funniest things. I concur. Whenever I start thinking that my fellow computer engineers are the most self-absorbed, navel gazing, tact impaired, whiners on the planet, something comes along to remind me that musicians hold that honor by a wide margin. (BTW, that's a joke) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 12:54:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FHr2X27782; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:53:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:53:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <021520051734.13421.421232B70003B90E0000346D22069984990301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> References: <021520051734.13421.421232B70003B90E0000346D22069984990301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <67fdd0a16d7a15fe97c375e411f8b169@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Re: RE: RE: Re: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:48:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c26096edc7b41ce3ec791c7b69ca515239b20a2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very good rich, i apologize but sure was fun except i am beginning to look at days in terms of preparation h with all of this. the ass's ass hurts. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 12:56:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FHsLm28259; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:54:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:54:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <42123548.3020207@sun.com> References: <002601c5131d$8bb680a0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <09f27dfe29a56146c1d73cd105b70ceb@newmillguitar.com> <42122CAF.2030709@neoprimitive.net> <42123548.3020207@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: historical perspective Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:51:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609863b23c5a8f0b309bdd5899de9810c88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: <4XwzGC.A.o1G.kcjECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> No, don't go. You're a great source of entertainment. Even without >> an instrument. These angry musician flame wars are the funniest >> things. > > I concur. Whenever I start thinking that my fellow computer engineers > are the most self-absorbed, navel gazing, tact impaired, whiners on the > planet, something comes along to remind me that musicians hold that > honor by a wide margin. > > (BTW, that's a joke) fuckin a. i apologize to those who were offended and yes, a good time was had by all? yes? can i just go back to being an asshole now that i have apologized? never not wishing you all the best, Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 12:57:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FHu7i28799; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:56:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:56:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c51389$f44f1d40$5133e204@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: <20050214193600.70125.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (OT) Automated MIDI switcher? Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:12:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <9gTm1B.A.SAH.QejECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's one you might look at. http://www.miditemp.com/english/pmm88.html If nothing else it has a price tag to equal the Switchblade. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 12:57:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FHu9e28802; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:56:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:56:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2611.12.202.55.206.1108490110.squirrel@webmail.sep.com> In-Reply-To: <42123548.3020207@sun.com> References: <002601c5131d$8bb680a0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <09f27dfe29a56146c1d73cd105b70ceb@newmillguitar.com> <42122CAF.2030709@neoprimitive.net> <42123548.3020207@sun.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:55:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: historical perspective From: tcombs@sep.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you actually mean "arteests"? I'd hate to think I'm in that category (being both a musician and a computer engineer)! > Jesse Lucas wrote: >> Larry Cooperman wrote: >> >>> >>> Now, can I get off of the list there moderator? >>> >> >> No, don't go. You're a great source of entertainment. Even without an >> instrument. These angry musician flame wars are the funniest things. > > I concur. Whenever I start thinking that my fellow computer engineers > are the most self-absorbed, navel gazing, tact impaired, whiners on the > planet, something comes along to remind me that musicians hold that > honor by a wide margin. > > (BTW, that's a joke) > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 12:59:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FHvfo29264; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:57:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:57:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421237FD.9000501@neoprimitive.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:57:17 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: historical perspective References: <002601c5131d$8bb680a0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> <09f27dfe29a56146c1d73cd105b70ceb@newmillguitar.com> <42122CAF.2030709@neoprimitive.net> <42123548.3020207@sun.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79bc037a109d3c523504645b0ad4204128350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry Cooperman wrote: > fuckin a. i apologize to those who were offended and yes, a good time > was had by all? yes? > can i just go back to being an asshole now that i have apologized? Absolutely!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 13:05:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FI3Nc31674; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:03:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:03:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <42116620.6020205@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Re: Re: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:59:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609863b23c5a8f0b30972471faf343befc6387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 14, 2005, at 10:11 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 7:48 PM -0800 2/14/05, Larry Cooperman wrote: > >> an MFA is an artist's doctorate > > I've always thought the DMA (Doctor of Musical Arts) degree was an > artist's doctorate. My partner has one of these from Stanford, where > it typically takes four years of study beyond a Bachelor's degree. My > assumption was that a Master's degree (either MA or MFA) is a one or > two year program and that doctoral programs usually take four or five > years. let me see here good dr. i spent 3 years smoking pot with most of my instructors for my mfa. i ran my first mfa year consecutive with my last year of bfa work or pot smoking with some of my instructors. when they told me i had to get a high school diploma before getting my bfa there i toyed with the idea of leaving. as you can maybe see i have very little respect for a comprehensive education that someone anoints you with. no shit, i went through my undergraduate as a high school drop out. how anyone can stand doing a dma is beyond me except for killing time. i went to the only school i could go to and used college as a way to drain money from the system and not get a job. they told me that my mfa was a terminal degree when i was grabbing it. it was curious that it was terminal to me. i wasn't having a heart attack. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 13:12:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FIAfL00557; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:10:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:10:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42123AED.7050008@neoprimitive.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:09:49 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <42116620.6020205@iinet.net.au> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec796c3a6a566ef097d6d40f6ad665302f02350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: <2vOcG.A.NG.grjECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wait, I thought we were done. Can you move this stuff off-list? -J Larry Cooperman wrote: > > On Feb 14, 2005, at 10:11 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > >> At 7:48 PM -0800 2/14/05, Larry Cooperman wrote: >> >>> an MFA is an artist's doctorate >> >> >> I've always thought the DMA (Doctor of Musical Arts) degree was an >> artist's doctorate. My partner has one of these from Stanford, where >> it typically takes four years of study beyond a Bachelor's degree. My >> assumption was that a Master's degree (either MA or MFA) is a one or >> two year program and that doctoral programs usually take four or five >> years. > > > let me see here good dr. > > i spent 3 years smoking pot with most of my instructors for my mfa. i > ran my first mfa year consecutive with my last year of bfa work or pot > smoking with some of my instructors. when they told me i had to get a > high school diploma before getting my bfa there i toyed with the idea of > leaving. as you can maybe see i have very little respect for a > comprehensive education that someone anoints you with. no shit, i went > through my undergraduate as a high school drop out. > > how anyone can stand doing a dma is beyond me except for killing time. > i went to the only school i could go to and used college as a way to > drain money from the system and not get a job. they told me that my mfa > was a terminal degree when i was grabbing it. it was curious that it > was terminal to me. i wasn't having a heart attack. > >> -- >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Richard Zvonar, PhD >> (818) 788-2202 >> http://www.zvonar.com >> http://salamandersongs.com >> http://ill-wind.com >> >> > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 13:14:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FIBPw00628; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:11:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <8691A0B8-7F25-11D9-9D00-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> References: <8691A0B8-7F25-11D9-9D00-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:06:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609863b23c5a8f0b309de1e1044d77f306ca2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > pardon me while i go masturbate to some john cage records to humble > myself in the ways of art music. i though looping was masturbation. i am a composer eric so i don't masturbate. let me see here; um art music is like science, you can't masturbate to it because that would be pop music based on the production of "product." art music is based on science and you can't rediscover gravity. newton already did that. masturbation is antithetical to it all.... > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 13:18:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FIGKm01679; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:16:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:16:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42123BD0.1050402@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:13:36 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available References: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now HERE's some news that makes me smile! THANK YOU JEFF!!! I'll be trying it out this week, with a big focus this weekend. Consider me a beta tester :) Jeff Larson wrote: > > Some of you may recall that about 9 months ago during an embarrassing > bout of hubris, I announced that I was writing a Windows looping > application that emulated a Loop IV EDP. It probably comes as no > surprise that I underestimated how hard that was going to be :-) > > But I'm pleased (and relieved) to finally say that a public beta of > the Mobius looping device is now available. You can find it at > www.zonemobius.com. It was developed on Windows XP, should run on W2K > and ME, but might not run on 98. > > Mobius is essentially 8 independent stereo EDPs with the ability to > copy loops and timing between them. Extensive MIDI, computer > keyboard, and UI button control is provided. Progress through the > loop is displayed as a horizontal "thermometer" annotated with markers > that show when quantized functions will occur. Loops (including > complete layer histories) may be saved to and loaded from files. > > I believe there is fairly complete coverage of features except for > three notable areas: Loop Windowing, Interface Mode, and external > synchronization. I'm working on loop windowing now. Andy Butler made > the wise suggestion not to get too fixated on a perfect > emulation and instead implement features the way they made sense to > me. I do have an EDP and use it to cross check behavior, but if you > are an expert you will notice some differences. Most of these are > discussed in the user's manual. > > While anyone is welcome to try it out, it would be best if you already > have some knowledge of the EDP. For obvious reasons I don't have the > resources to replicate the EDP manual, the documentation I do have > is concerned mostly with configuration and how Mobius is different > than the EDP. This is a true beta, so it's still a little rough > around the edges. Basic operations should work but as you explore the > fringes you may find problems. PLEASE report them. > > There is no immediate plan for a Mac port or a VST plugin. I am > finding it easier and more interesting to evolve Mobius as a > standalone application that can host VST plugins and provide the > optimized performance features I want, rather than having it be a VST > plugin and wrestle with host interaction issues. That may change > once I start exploring Ableton Live, but not for awhile. > > I hope some of you find this as entertaining as I do. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 13:45:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FIhj606386; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:43:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:43:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502151842.j1FIgsS06268@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: 'You actually do Loop, right?' Or' Do you play an instrument or a device?' (was) RE: Re...... Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:42:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUTidEhSqSc2NKtQqqb9J0MVhaUAwAAtxMg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just curious Larry and this by no means or implies you should not be here if the answer is no but, you do actually own/use a looping device, right? It's fine that someone pops off about too much gearhead'ism round here cause sometimes that does seem to be the topic of the day. Heck I don't even mind if they don't loop or ever plug in and want to make a comment about overusage of Electro Toys. I personally do keep acoustic instruments around and even play/practice unplugged because (yes) sometimes the devices take over and you end up playing them and not the instrument you supposedly play. Now that isn't necessarily a bad thing either but, it can become difficult to decide if you actually play a guitar or a violin or a synth/multi effect/Looper... -----Original Message----- From: Larry Cooperman [mailto:coop@newmillguitar.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: > > pardon me while i go masturbate to some john cage records to humble > myself in the ways of art music. i though looping was masturbation. i am a composer eric so i don't masturbate. let me see here; um art music is like science, you can't masturbate to it because that would be pop music based on the production of "product." art music is based on science and you can't rediscover gravity. newton already did that. masturbation is antithetical to it all.... > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 14:00:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FIwai09081; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:58:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:58:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <200502151842.j1FIgsS06268@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502151842.j1FIgsS06268@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7f823482acf7ef1bf87aa4611bdfe643@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: 'You actually do Loop, right?' Or' Do you play an instrument or a device?' (was) RE: Re...... Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:54:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c260946669ff3e0f5291cded08a8ea4eebc75666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: <2NFMF.A.tKC.0XkECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 15, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Just curious Larry and this by no means or implies you should not be > here > if the answer is no but, you do actually own/use a looping device, > right? not anymore Alan, so I'm the unsanctioned. After July I sold them all. I actually left them at y2k4, totally forgot them and had to drive back up to Santa Cruz to get them. > It's fine that someone pops off about too much gearhead'ism round here > cause > sometimes that does seem to be the topic of the day. Heck I don't even > mind > if they don't loop or ever plug in and want to make a comment about > overusage of Electro Toys. I do use processors though and have a good time with noise and such. > I personally do keep acoustic instruments around and even play/practice > unplugged because (yes) sometimes the devices take over and you end up > playing them and not the instrument you supposedly play. Now that isn't > necessarily a bad thing either but, it can become difficult to decide > if you > actually play a guitar or a violin or a synth/multi effect/Looper... I understand that these things cost a lot of money. i get them off of eBay because they're cheap. I'm looking at my stuff: Marshall JMP-1, Carvin Tone Navigator, Apex 204, Digiteck TSP-12, Digitech Studio Quad and a stereo guitar. I'm not immune to this stuff. I am a teenager too, you know and still have trouble realizing I'm not. It's just music that gets sidetracked when you've got a gear hankering. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Cooperman [mailto:coop@newmillguitar.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: > > >> >> pardon me while i go masturbate to some john cage records to humble >> myself in the ways of art music. > > i though looping was masturbation. i am a composer eric so i don't > masturbate. let me see here; um art music is like science, you can't > masturbate to it because that would be pop music based on the > production of > "product." art music is based on science and you can't rediscover > gravity. > newton already did that. masturbation is antithetical to it all.... >> --- >> Eric Williamson >> www.suitandtieguy.com >> >> > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 14:06:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FJ45P11616; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:04:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:04:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aubreylande@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:01:00 EST Subject: unsubscribe To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1108494060" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1108494060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -------------------------------1108494060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 -------------------------------1108494060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 14:06:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FJ4pi11772; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:04:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:04:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: References: <8691A0B8-7F25-11D9-9D00-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:00:43 -0800 To: Joey X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609fb0fdf045a907f95cac45f03e5105234a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 14, 2005, at 11:57 PM, Joey wrote: > At 7:48 PM -0800 2/14/05, Larry Cooperman wrote: > >> an MFA is an artist's doctorate > > You should look into this Larry. My girlfriend has a doctorate and she > says if MFA is all you have then you are no Doctor. > > By the way, your grammar really sucks for your age, your "education" > and your superiority complex. > > sorry about the grammar dear scholar. i'm in much hurry attending to my passion your goilfriend is obviously into her degree. an mfa is a terminal degree for an artist; terminal. i think paper is a poor excuse for doing shit i don't have to go to school for composition/performance anymore so they tell me. superiority to what? it's not a complex, it's actually very simplex. i am superior to a bug Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 14:17:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FJFEo13668; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:15:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:15:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502151914.j1FJEQS13540@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: 'You actually do Loop, right?' Or 'Do you play an instrument or a device?' Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:14:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUTkGDKvG27Bi2+SkKELZyjkjflegAANY6Q In-Reply-To: <7f823482acf7ef1bf87aa4611bdfe643@newmillguitar.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well that fine with me Larry do stick around and too bad if some don't like but, sometimes we all need to be reminded to keep it all straight otherwise we may never make any sense. Here's a good one somewhere else someone was talking about the electric kazoo http://www.electrickazoo.com personally I wouldn't spend the money on one but, I could just do the old comb and wax paper trick and run it through my fairly full compliment of electro toys and do some looping with that hmm,sounds like fun I think I better try it out ;D Actually I was thinking of this because I don't like my singing voice (fairly basso) and wanted to supplement my violin with an underlying bass theme without resorting to pitch shifting the violin so, the e kazoo might be more convenient then mic/comb/waxpaper held together somehow?........ Later Man... Another teenager with toys ;D -----Original Message----- From: Larry Cooperman [mailto:coop@newmillguitar.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 'You actually do Loop, right?' Or' Do you play an instrument or a device?' (was) RE: Re...... On Feb 15, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Just curious Larry and this by no means or implies you should not be > here if the answer is no but, you do actually own/use a looping > device, right? not anymore Alan, so I'm the unsanctioned. After July I sold them all. I actually left them at y2k4, totally forgot them and had to drive back up to Santa Cruz to get them. > It's fine that someone pops off about too much gearhead'ism round here > cause sometimes that does seem to be the topic of the day. Heck I > don't even mind if they don't loop or ever plug in and want to make a > comment about overusage of Electro Toys. I do use processors though and have a good time with noise and such. > I personally do keep acoustic instruments around and even > play/practice unplugged because (yes) sometimes the devices take over > and you end up playing them and not the instrument you supposedly > play. Now that isn't necessarily a bad thing either but, it can become > difficult to decide if you actually play a guitar or a violin or a > synth/multi effect/Looper... I understand that these things cost a lot of money. i get them off of eBay because they're cheap. I'm looking at my stuff: Marshall JMP-1, Carvin Tone Navigator, Apex 204, Digiteck TSP-12, Digitech Studio Quad and a stereo guitar. I'm not immune to this stuff. I am a teenager too, you know and still have trouble realizing I'm not. It's just music that gets sidetracked when you've got a gear hankering. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Cooperman [mailto:coop@newmillguitar.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: > > >> >> pardon me while i go masturbate to some john cage records to humble >> myself in the ways of art music. > > i though looping was masturbation. i am a composer eric so i don't > masturbate. let me see here; um art music is like science, you can't > masturbate to it because that would be pop music based on the > production of "product." art music is based on science and you can't > rediscover gravity. > newton already did that. masturbation is antithetical to it all.... >> --- >> Eric Williamson >> www.suitandtieguy.com >> >> > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 14:19:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FJHQ214068; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:17:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:17:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502151916.j1FJGfS13832@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:16:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUTkSYUPa9868qdR1++9SiPTG7xawAAYLtw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeeze didn't someone already post the howto unsubscribe text a little while ago????? Here it is yet one more time http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html ________________________________ From: Aubreylande@aol.com [mailto:Aubreylande@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:01 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 14:21:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FJK6X14615; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:20:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:20:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050215191807.52690.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:18:07 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: (OT) Automated MIDI switcher? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006301c51389$f44f1d40$5133e204@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh... looks beautiful but I can't find a single mention of how to get such a device or how much it would cost... They don't seem to keen on selling this. Mark --- Rick Williamson wrote: > Here's one you might look at. > http://www.miditemp.com/english/pmm88.html > If nothing else it has a price tag to equal the > Switchblade. > > Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 14:30:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FJRxu15832; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:27:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:27:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:26:35 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available In-reply-to: <42123BD0.1050402@pdq.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42124CEB.1000103@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> <42123BD0.1050402@pdq.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug Cox wrote: > Now HERE's some news that makes me smile! > > THANK YOU JEFF!!! > > I'll be trying it out this week, with a big focus this weekend. > Consider me a beta tester :) I've had reports that this crashes on Windows 2000. I'm looking into it, but I recommend XP if at all possible. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 14:40:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FJcup18594; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:38:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:38:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=nL9Qo5oJsVbvFOfiHd9FtGe/BkjgcH0NNIY1YorkiEJJ1rSp8wlxGp/ZZb44ABVh3CS0TLrwywxmivO0KJhH8k0qFP3spur0ULWc6v9aeaAZdMWD87ihPQoGi2Hfs/ghXJ5WkFX+0Ga3E3ndEX0+wrE1f8yO8B0mM9Ux2b3YjGw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:37:56 -0600 From: biz Reply-To: biz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8691A0B8-7F25-11D9-9D00-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For the record, I posted a message to the grand Larry Cooperman flame war of 2005. For the record, that is. :> bIz On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:00:43 -0800, Larry Cooperman wrote: > > On Feb 14, 2005, at 11:57 PM, Joey wrote: > > > At 7:48 PM -0800 2/14/05, Larry Cooperman wrote: > > > >> an MFA is an artist's doctorate > > > > You should look into this Larry. My girlfriend has a doctorate and she > > says if MFA is all you have then you are no Doctor. > > > > By the way, your grammar really sucks for your age, your "education" > > and your superiority complex. > > > > > > sorry about the grammar dear scholar. i'm in much hurry attending to > my passion > > your goilfriend is obviously into her degree. an mfa is a terminal > degree for an artist; terminal. i think paper is a poor excuse for > doing shit > > i don't have to go to school for composition/performance anymore so > they tell me. > > superiority to what? it's not a complex, it's actually very simplex. > i am superior to a bug > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > -- bIz ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- guitarist/composer, as I lack any meaningful understanding of the > specific world you inhabit. So I'm not sure where a person with > Larry's > background is coming from in saying (for example) that a fantastic, > musical, expressive player like Bill Walker doesn't have his own voice. I just didn't hear it that night Andre. That's all I've heard of Bill but I can very much see that a night is just a night and I've had nights that I'd just likely forget. > > If you're going to judge somebody's work - and especially if you're > going to make conclusions about the meaning of their music in the > context of their life in general - then it seems to me that the barest > minimum requirement is to judge it in the appropriate context. You may be coming into this late. There was this very good composer, Tony who addressed the group for comment on his wonderful piece. Someone said that it was too busy and he needed to delete some of it. This was an ambient guy and Tony's music wasn't ambient. I lost it and charged that, and you speak of context, that there are some people that are in the group that, either are not musicians or they have no perspective to judge and give advice. Bill and Rick were innocent bystanders and I have already apologized to Bill offline. Tonality is the thing here. If I hear someone doing too much tonal stuff I figure that's all they do. That's OK but it leaves a gap when approaching music that is non-tonal or fleetingly tonal. It's not that I am against tonality it is just that a lot has happened since. By being a guitarist I had to work really hard to not be an anachronism, a New Age guitarist, a guitarist that just genuflected to the prevailing currents of guitar playing. > > And that context is not about what kind of degree you have, or whether > you > hang out with Segovia's ghost at the local Ouija board house. It's > about understanding the particular musical dialect a person is > speaking, > and knowing the proper historical context for that dialect. (And maybe > even being able to speak it with a fair amount of fluency onesself.) You know? Someone asked me for my reason for making judgments by asking me what accomplishments and so forth I had. Segovia actually made me very sick and it is a natural thing that he did make me sick after a while. I could give a crap about paper. I didn't even get a high school diploma because I was playing in a band and all things associated to that. They made me get a GED at CalArts for my undergraduate. I am conversant in most musical languages and can work in context that i can stand. > > Stirring shit up is fine, as long as you're willing to spend time > picking turds out of your beard. Recognizing and acknowledging the > immense limitations of one's own abilities, when compared to the vast > and unknowable immensity that is the world of music, is a really > healthy > and sobering thing, though it tends to sound a bit insincere when > "qualified" by endless paragraphs trumpeting the breadth and depth of > one's own resume. That's what I keep saying. I say my music is crap compared to the music of Rautavaara or others. Well Andre, I was asked for it and within my resume I said very specifically that you can put a noose around my head and kick the chair out and fully expected, you in your very kind way, to do it. I've been on this group for 8 months and kept it to myself. Michael, from AU asked to put my money where my mouth is. I only ask for a break on this matter on all the rest I don't. I could give a shit about what a resume says, the question is; What are you now doing? > > And accusing other musicians of being stuck in a regressive teenaged > mindset is an interesting thing to do, particularly when it's > accompanied by the more or less explicit statement that "That's not an > opinion, that's a fact, because it's how I feel." No, it's a judgment based on empirical evidence in some cases. I am judge and jury as to what I accept as mature, immature and dishonest maturity. > > Ah well. > > Glad to hear the career is going well, Mr. Cooperman, and that time > hasn't diminished your immense musical talent, or your singular charm > and interpersonal panache. I've had an interesting time of it too, > since we last talked. I don't know how my work measures up to any > particular yardstick in the grand scheme of things, but it sure was > great to see a pair of beautiful girls dancing to my solo guitar loops > for half an hour at a party last October. Thank you Mr. LaFosse. In the grand scheme of things Looper's Delight should be careful about giving talented young composers advice and leave their personal limitations out of their comments. > > Right now I have to go practice for a series of gigs next month, using > five Echoplexes at the same time. It was actually booked by a > classical > guitarist named Dominic Frasca, who plays solo arrangements of Philip > Glass tunes, and has recorded some of Phil's work for widespread > release. I'd be curious to hear the two of you debate the relative > merits of looping (or merely your respective resumes) some time... I know Dominic. I just reviewed some of his music via Kevin Gallagher's suggestion. Kevin is another NY guitarist that is as wide as a Western landscape. Cut the resume stuff and I will be happy. Like I said and I'm sure that it's been heard. I never flash my resume unless someone asks and I was asked and now I'm hung. Well hung. > > In the meantime, my advice: if you don't enjoy a list, or the climate > therein, you can always unsubscribe! It worked (and continues to work) > for me... > > Singing off (again), > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 14:51:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FJnuD20528; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:49:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:49:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <000601c51347$fc124a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <000601c51347$fc124a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8d0b779edf5e132b51513e97d0c15c39@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Jesus Larry Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:46:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609682539a43b257e5ed5ba5c20410635c0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You know, Jesus once said something about flame wars. Any Christians > out > there? Did you get it in Aramaic? Otherwise it's just gobbldy goop. Who knows what Jesus said, it's been highly perverted by Greek and Western ethnocentrism and references to Greek mythology. I'll ask my Rabbi if I'm a Christian. > > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 14:53:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FJqBU21407; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:52:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:52:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <4672178.1108475642997.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> References: <4672178.1108475642997.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Re: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:47:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c26090d2a69694af7a5266e902989b9797a1aa8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: <7kHjO.A.nEF.JKlECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 15, 2005, at 5:54 AM, toejam00@mac.com wrote: > Larry, > Why don't you find an SUV site and give them a bit of your horse 'n' > buggy perspective on things. You ain't into looping. You certainly > aren't delighting. Wrong list, dude. > > Toejam > > > Gosh Dude, I mean Dude! I'm brainiac Dude! I mean Dude! Woa. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 14:54:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FJqKk21429; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:52:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:52:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <11416083.1108476375856.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> References: <11416083.1108476375856.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <95998c7886240f18a57d65d000cec1d9@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Re: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:49:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c26090d2a69694af7a52697473c743661dc66667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: <9eIGKD.A.0JF.MLlECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 15, 2005, at 6:06 AM, toejam00@mac.com wrote: > PS Larry. There's a lot of good technical advice on this list. If you > weren't such a pompous ass, I'm sure that people would help you learn > how to put all that gear to good use. > > Let me see, a guy who writes novels is pompous to a DUDE who writes comic books. Dude! Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 15:08:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FK7Gs26028; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:07:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:07:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502152006.j1FK64S25726@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:06:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUTg1D3a/Jmy2s2RdintxG+6/uFmQAFaVHg In-Reply-To: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <2cLId.A.RSG.sYlECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow this is way cool I assume you will be charging for this sometime in the future. Do you do any embedded programming might be cool on a dsp hardware/firmware platform too. Works great on XP though for sure might give up on my EDP(as this is an excelent emulation) I wonder if my old crippled Sony Vaio could deal with this well I will try it there too. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available Some of you may recall that about 9 months ago during an embarrassing bout of hubris, I announced that I was writing a Windows looping application that emulated a Loop IV EDP. It probably comes as no surprise that I underestimated how hard that was going to be :-) But I'm pleased (and relieved) to finally say that a public beta of the Mobius looping device is now available. You can find it at www.zonemobius.com. It was developed on Windows XP, should run on W2K and ME, but might not run on 98. Mobius is essentially 8 independent stereo EDPs with the ability to copy loops and timing between them. Extensive MIDI, computer keyboard, and UI button control is provided. Progress through the loop is displayed as a horizontal "thermometer" annotated with markers that show when quantized functions will occur. Loops (including complete layer histories) may be saved to and loaded from files. I believe there is fairly complete coverage of features except for three notable areas: Loop Windowing, Interface Mode, and external synchronization. I'm working on loop windowing now. Andy Butler made the wise suggestion not to get too fixated on a perfect emulation and instead implement features the way they made sense to me. I do have an EDP and use it to cross check behavior, but if you are an expert you will notice some differences. Most of these are discussed in the user's manual. While anyone is welcome to try it out, it would be best if you already have some knowledge of the EDP. For obvious reasons I don't have the resources to replicate the EDP manual, the documentation I do have is concerned mostly with configuration and how Mobius is different than the EDP. This is a true beta, so it's still a little rough around the edges. Basic operations should work but as you explore the fringes you may find problems. PLEASE report them. There is no immediate plan for a Mac port or a VST plugin. I am finding it easier and more interesting to evolve Mobius as a standalone application that can host VST plugins and provide the optimized performance features I want, rather than having it be a VST plugin and wrestle with host interaction issues. That may change once I start exploring Ableton Live, but not for awhile. I hope some of you find this as entertaining as I do. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 15:09:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FK7w326181; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:07:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:07:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_serpico.real.com-31819-1108498014-0001-2" Message-Id: <4212565F.000012.03312@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:06:55 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <8d0b779edf5e132b51513e97d0c15c39@newmillguitar.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jesus Larry X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. 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Larry Cooperman
New Millennium Guitar
 
--=_serpico.real.com-31819-1108498014-0001-3-- --=_serpico.real.com-31819-1108498014-0001-2 Content-Type: image/gif; name="reallogo.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <368EA1AC-2CD9-49F5-905F-8092F6826D8D> R0lGODlhSwAnAMQAABcUEc/f7IuKiABXmqmnpl9dWzMzM1CMuq/K3////4CrzUCBsyBsp5mZmcbF xFBOTOLi4X17evHx8SYjIHChxp/A2dTU00NAPhBioLa1tDB3rd/q8mCWwL/V5mZmZv4BAiH5BAUU AB8ALAAAAABLACcAAAX/YCKOZGmeaKqubLshyrEwQz0wy6EgW+v/PgSHZisabZhDRQJsAgMczHFK rR0Qziyqs6h6qwyFFgVxmM0nCeer0SkUlfdbBsaOSQ+AHnAxdaRTGhQdPgEVB1MUdyN7ehElFVMY HD1ZGwoLFHJviw6NABkkkUccTIunJgKfpgkBRxiEKQQCtAIECQQFBhOhIhYRDxcADwUErCQQDQ8G ewYPEQ54jX0jGkYYASvMex55ehNMDsKf3w0lDeSfHoyNjyIdR9kqEOl7Arj1jfciBJ/OE59ueWrU K8GaImJW9KsHLsMnARAkoGsEQcQ2RyIkXARwT1UjVkRsVFLhwR+BihAs/2zcJ8KbHnMpBu655ZIP iSMtNk6oOMJCPnIsMwgo8CBYOgsJPrkTgXMFvXbnfn4y1wCg1AkJZOopmMBakWMnFu6JRsKjHgO1 0taCYFbPhQgCMhSwCqBAgrYAjh20UWFFyUYmxAIwoK2RXRFP95irSW2EqyIYwJbY+MCEBLp1zeC9 9elCRQvj9iBVagJREQ2SET8MKxXAugQb82HVCspyyBoa5JUQDIBsYMyNJrC0AJxP6Lp3V1UtEQAQ koQkHKhVCKzog7iWG3S7Hq1B2mizalHFyvx2jTCpUalPY5rUkiYSNimgQCH9+hEInB/RwEFBB90o KKDfAIrcx0J8A34BYHMF5jEQi4EtSFCBV18wMAIXR9QHoRMBUGCeEX1t0J4NDm54xwYVcNBFEQxs sFcRGpqo3gYddEChERo8KON6EiQ4AHQ73vcibgAGOeM1QBq53ogLjKTkevDUgEFfT0K44gFOVqle JBjYoaWBFBxg35dkBhkCADs= --=_serpico.real.com-31819-1108498014-0001-2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 15:10:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FK8ZP26319; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:08:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:08:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <42116620.6020205@iinet.net.au> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:03:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Re: Re: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:59 AM -0800 2/15/05, Larry Cooperman wrote: >i spent 3 years smoking pot with most of my instructors for my mfa. Right. You went to CalArts? >how anyone can stand doing a dma is beyond me except for killing time. My partner would probably disagree. She worked hard to get her DMA from Stanford and she did some significant research on bowing practices in the transitional period between the Baroque and Classical. She has subsequently published some of this work and otherwise passed it along to her students and her professional colleagues. I think this is a fair example of how a serious scholar/performer can treat the time spent and the work done in a doctoral program. I myself spent five years in a doctoral program (PhD in my case). I worked hard, smoked no pot, made a lot of pieces and absorbed a lot of information, and I consider it time well spent. >as you can maybe see i have very little respect for a comprehensive >education that someone anoints you with. I don't think one can "anoint" you with a "comprehensive education" though it is common practice to "bestow" a "degree" on someone who follows orders for the prescribed period of time. However it is still possible to earn a degree through educating one's self with the help of a university. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 15:13:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FKB7327685; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:11:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:11:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_goodfellas.real.com-13847-1108498128-0001-2" Message-Id: <421256D1.000015.03312@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:08:49 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <8d0b779edf5e132b51513e97d0c15c39@newmillguitar.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jesus Larry X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_goodfellas.real.com-13847-1108498128-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_goodfellas.real.com-13847-1108498128-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_goodfellas.real.com-13847-1108498128-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D PS: Larry, if you know a rabbi, tell him you need to work on the idol gossip thing...=0D =0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 02/15/05 11:49:02=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: Jesus Larry=0D =0D > You know, Jesus once said something about flame wars. Any Christians=0D > out=0D > there?=0D =0D Did you get it in Aramaic? Otherwise it's just gobbldy goop. Who=0D knows what Jesus said, it's been highly perverted by Greek and Western=0D ethnocentrism and references to Greek mythology.=0D =0D I'll ask my Rabbi if I'm a Christian.=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D Larry Cooperman=0D New Millennium Guitar=0D http://www.newmillguitar.com=0D =20 --=_goodfellas.real.com-13847-1108498128-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Larry Cooperman
New Millennium Guitar
 
--=_goodfellas.real.com-13847-1108498128-0001-3-- --=_goodfellas.real.com-13847-1108498128-0001-2 Content-Type: image/gif; name="reallogo.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: R0lGODlhSwAnAMQAABcUEc/f7IuKiABXmqmnpl9dWzMzM1CMuq/K3////4CrzUCBsyBsp5mZmcbF xFBOTOLi4X17evHx8SYjIHChxp/A2dTU00NAPhBioLa1tDB3rd/q8mCWwL/V5mZmZv4BAiH5BAUU AB8ALAAAAABLACcAAAX/YCKOZGmeaKqubLshyrEwQz0wy6EgW+v/PgSHZisabZhDRQJsAgMczHFK rR0Qziyqs6h6qwyFFgVxmM0nCeer0SkUlfdbBsaOSQ+AHnAxdaRTGhQdPgEVB1MUdyN7ehElFVMY HD1ZGwoLFHJviw6NABkkkUccTIunJgKfpgkBRxiEKQQCtAIECQQFBhOhIhYRDxcADwUErCQQDQ8G ewYPEQ54jX0jGkYYASvMex55ehNMDsKf3w0lDeSfHoyNjyIdR9kqEOl7Arj1jfciBJ/OE59ueWrU K8GaImJW9KsHLsMnARAkoGsEQcQ2RyIkXARwT1UjVkRsVFLhwR+BihAs/2zcJ8KbHnMpBu655ZIP iSMtNk6oOMJCPnIsMwgo8CBYOgsJPrkTgXMFvXbnfn4y1wCg1AkJZOopmMBakWMnFu6JRsKjHgO1 0taCYFbPhQgCMhSwCqBAgrYAjh20UWFFyUYmxAIwoK2RXRFP95irSW2EqyIYwJbY+MCEBLp1zeC9 9elCRQvj9iBVagJREQ2SET8MKxXAugQb82HVCspyyBoa5JUQDIBsYMyNJrC0AJxP6Lp3V1UtEQAQ koQkHKhVCKzog7iWG3S7Hq1B2mizalHFyvx2jTCpUalPY5rUkiYSNimgQCH9+hEInB/RwEFBB90o KKDfAIrcx0J8A34BYHMF5jEQi4EtSFCBV18wMAIXR9QHoRMBUGCeEX1t0J4NDm54xwYVcNBFEQxs sFcRGpqo3gYddEChERo8KON6EiQ4AHQ73vcibgAGOeM1QBq53ogLjKTkevDUgEFfT0K44gFOVqle JBjYoaWBFBxg35dkBhkCADs= --=_goodfellas.real.com-13847-1108498128-0001-2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 15:51:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FKlVu03425; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:47:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:47:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:46:50 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available In-reply-to: <200502152006.j1FK64S25726@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42125FBA.4040205@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <200502152006.j1FK64S25726@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alan Kroeger wrote: > Wow this is way cool I assume you will be charging for this sometime in the > future. Do you do any embedded programming might be cool on a dsp > hardware/firmware platform too. Works great on XP though for sure might give > up on my EDP(as this is an excelent emulation) I wonder if my old crippled > Sony Vaio could deal with this well I will try it there too. I don't intend to charge for this. It was a challenge I wanted to undertake for several reasons, and now I would like to share the result. Though if anyone feels so inclined I'll happily accept donations to my Paypal account "jlarson@sun.com" :-) I'm not very familiar with embedded programming. Were I to go in that direction, I would probably redesign it to be a portable VST plugin that could be run on something like the PowerCore. It is more likely I would do a Mac port first, but neither is likely within the next year. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 16:01:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FKx4x07576; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:59:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:59:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:58:22 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available In-reply-to: <42125B36.1010505@comcast.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4212626E.3040606@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <200502152006.j1FK64S25726@hemlock.violacea.com> <42125B36.1010505@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Neil Goldstein wrote: > Will the EDP standard extended midi commands translate to Mobius? With the exception of the things related to external synchronization (and that's a big one) everything you can do with MIDI on an EDP you can do with Mobius. The main difference is that the EDP associates midi commands and functions with the ControlSource and Source# parameters, which limits you to a contiguous range of notes or controllers. Mobius allows you to bind a function to an arbitrary MIDI command, so for example Record could be note 32, Overdub controller 56, Multiply program 98, etc. It provides a "learn" mode where you select a function, then press something on your footswitch or control surface, and a binding for that midi event is automatically created. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 16:01:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FKxdw08250; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:59:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:59:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502152058.j1FKwES06577@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:58:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUTn5iMnOOAqdQbS0KZrPiE4FH8jAAALs9g In-Reply-To: <42125FBA.4040205@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah Jeff you should even if it's a minimal or contribution fee I tell you what put your paypal button your page and start the VST version. Hmm there you go charge a minimal fee for the VST version just to make it worth the effort to continue the work this is great. Just watch for how many downloads you are going to get as I go post about your new app I have an EDP and I love this. I guess I may start on the PC Effects Rack again just did a few quickies right now with no effects and my SG plugged into my mixer straight into my audio card way cool. Later -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available Alan Kroeger wrote: > Wow this is way cool I assume you will be charging for this sometime > in the future. Do you do any embedded programming might be cool on a > dsp hardware/firmware platform too. Works great on XP though for sure > might give up on my EDP(as this is an excelent emulation) I wonder if > my old crippled Sony Vaio could deal with this well I will try it there too. I don't intend to charge for this. It was a challenge I wanted to undertake for several reasons, and now I would like to share the result. Though if anyone feels so inclined I'll happily accept donations to my Paypal account "jlarson@sun.com" :-) I'm not very familiar with embedded programming. Were I to go in that direction, I would probably redesign it to be a portable VST plugin that could be run on something like the PowerCore. It is more likely I would do a Mac port first, but neither is likely within the next year. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 16:09:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FL7pY10291; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:07:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:07:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:06:23 -0500 From: Brian Carabee Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005201c513a2$3529d1d0$6601a8c0@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Jeff. I'm looking forward to playing with this tonight. Will report any undocumented "features" ;) Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Larson" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available > > Some of you may recall that about 9 months ago during an embarrassing > bout of hubris, I announced that I was writing a Windows looping > application that emulated a Loop IV EDP. It probably comes as no > surprise that I underestimated how hard that was going to be :-) > > But I'm pleased (and relieved) to finally say that a public beta of > the Mobius looping device is now available. You can find it at > www.zonemobius.com. It was developed on Windows XP, should run on W2K > and ME, but might not run on 98. > > Mobius is essentially 8 independent stereo EDPs with the ability to > copy loops and timing between them. Extensive MIDI, computer > keyboard, and UI button control is provided. Progress through the > loop is displayed as a horizontal "thermometer" annotated with markers > that show when quantized functions will occur. Loops (including > complete layer histories) may be saved to and loaded from files. > > I believe there is fairly complete coverage of features except for > three notable areas: Loop Windowing, Interface Mode, and external > synchronization. I'm working on loop windowing now. Andy Butler made > the wise suggestion not to get too fixated on a perfect > emulation and instead implement features the way they made sense to > me. I do have an EDP and use it to cross check behavior, but if you > are an expert you will notice some differences. Most of these are > discussed in the user's manual. > > While anyone is welcome to try it out, it would be best if you already > have some knowledge of the EDP. For obvious reasons I don't have the > resources to replicate the EDP manual, the documentation I do have > is concerned mostly with configuration and how Mobius is different > than the EDP. This is a true beta, so it's still a little rough > around the edges. Basic operations should work but as you explore the > fringes you may find problems. PLEASE report them. > > There is no immediate plan for a Mac port or a VST plugin. I am > finding it easier and more interesting to evolve Mobius as a > standalone application that can host VST plugins and provide the > optimized performance features I want, rather than having it be a VST > plugin and wrestle with host interaction issues. That may change > once I start exploring Ableton Live, but not for awhile. > > I hope some of you find this as entertaining as I do. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 16:09:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FL8J710343; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:08:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:08:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050215202833.02b3d680@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:29:33 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Devi In-Reply-To: <200502152013.j1FKD1P28433@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502152013.j1FKD1P28433@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 20:13 15/02/05, you wrote: > It was developed on Windows XP, should run on W2K and >ME, but might not run on 98. no, won't start up on win98 andy butler PS....congratulations. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 16:21:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FLJI012717; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:19:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:19:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Trusted: Whitelisted Message-ID: <42126771.1060904@gawab.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:19:45 -0500 From: jacob smoller User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available References: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> <005201c513a2$3529d1d0$6601a8c0@server> In-Reply-To: <005201c513a2$3529d1d0$6601a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6QriL.A.XED.gcmECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is great! Question/suggestion: Panning! One of only echoplex complaints is I don't have enough of 'em! This fixes that right up. I've always wanted to be able to run a few loops at once and pan them accordingly. If you had a way to route each virtual EDP in the program to it's own output bus (surround sound anyone?)/panning out, it would be amazing! Thanks though, this is really great! I have to try it out on my laptop and see if a PIII 650 can handle it! Jacob robberdotcom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 16:47:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FLjaR16675; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:45:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:45:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <19521618.1108503875054.JavaMail.root@donald.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:44:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: JamMan $350 (Seattle craigslist) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know some people are interested in these. Here's someone in Seattle who's selling one at a decent price. Respond to drcalcium@hotmail.com, not me. Travis Jamman, Robert Fripp's Flightcase!, Mixer, Farfisa, Boss Pedal Reply to: drcalcium@hotmail.com Date: 2005-02-15, 10:28AM PST LEXICON JAMMAN WITH FULL 32 SECOND UPGRADE. a steal at $350 This item sounds great! Very versatile foot controlled looping device, dirty "Mix" and "output" pots, but only while they are being turned. With manual and newer power supply. I will include TWO BOSS FS-5U foot pedals that I used with it, as the Lexicon pedals are no good. Goes for up to $425 on ebay. [snip] this is in or around cap hill / Kirkland it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests 59849719 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 16:56:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FKTBE00368; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:29:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:29:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42125B36.1010505@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:27:34 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available References: <200502152006.j1FK64S25726@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200502152006.j1FK64S25726@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will the EDP standard extended midi commands translate to Mobius? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 16:57:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FKpeC04085; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:51:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:51:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c513a1$f90d7bc0$8c12e204@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: <20050215191807.52690.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (OT) Automated MIDI switcher? Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:04:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two more links. Haven't ordered from the first, but have had good experience with midi-classics. http://www.compumusic.com/m196x0.htm http://www.midi-classics.com/h/h23573.htm Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 17:14:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FMD4k22303; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:13:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:13:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050215221201.44079.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:12:01 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: (OT) Automated MIDI switcher? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c513a1$f90d7bc0$8c12e204@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info... but I think this is way ovekill for my needs. For sure more than I'm willing to spend on such a device. I'm thinking the MOTU MicroExpress might be the ticket at 1/5 the price. Mark --- Rick Williamson wrote: > Two more links. Haven't ordered from the first, but > have had good experience > with midi-classics. > > http://www.compumusic.com/m196x0.htm > > http://www.midi-classics.com/h/h23573.htm > > Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 17:28:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FMQq924490; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:26:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:26:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> Subject: Re: Re: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:32:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.200.177] at Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:25:33 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry - You have proven definitively (with the content of your reply to my e-mail to you) that you do not know me. Instead, you have made additional assumptions about me based on no real knowledge about me. This is a pity. Your argument is that people become lost in, or blinded even, by the technology discussed on this Loopers-Delight list. So? Perhaps Loopers-Delight is a place where people gather to learn more about the capabilities of their technology, and in so doing to extend their musical capabilities? Perhaps this is a venue for people to learn? Learning is not a problem, is it? First, I suggest that discussion of looping technology on this looping list originally created by and associated with a website that is dedicated to looping and looping technology should not be a surprise to you. When I go to Russia, it is reasonable to me that I will hear Russian spoken around me. When I read posts from Loopers-Delight, it is reasonable to me that I might read about looping technology. I'm not surprised. I may not understand a lot of what I read here. I may not be as interested in some topics as I am in others. But I'm not surprised that on an e-list created by and for looping musicians, who invariably must use technology of some sort to accomplish their looping, that discussion of technology takes place. Indeed, because of this forum, I've been able to suggest and then obtain two capabilities I thought would benefit the looping technology I own. These capabilities are now part of the feature-set of the latest EDP software. So, I've used this very unique forum to shape the looping technology to better suit my musical needs. And I'm grateful to the authors of the EDP software for including my requests in their product. Second, I suspect like many here, I read and subscribe to other music related e-lists. These other lists are based around discussion of other topics. They each have their own "style" or "flavor" and to varying degrees contribute to my musical circumstances. I get musical inspiration from other places than Loopers-Delight. As we all do. I've been reading this list off and on since 1996. Many topics have repeated and returned over that time. Some discussions evolve and some seem to get stuck. Your premise that the Loopers-Delight email list talks about technology too much has been discussed here before. It's not important that so far you've not added anything new to the discussion. What is important is that you've raised it again. But unfortunately, your manner and style has killed the discussion before it really got started. More's the pity. Or perhaps you have another goal? Now, let's discuss your statement: >> Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some >> historical perspective. And my reply: > The thing about perspective is it changes based on where you sit. > Perspective therefore is not fixed, it is changeable. And if > perspectives > change, then judgments that are fixed will become obsolete. The history of music is filled with examples of situations where judgments made in one age or culture are cast off as obsolete in another. Let me offer some examples: 1) Judgments about what is dissonant and using dissonance seem to differ across cultures and over time. Middle Eastern, Chinese and Western music have different perspectives on dissonance. But as the world perspective changes to becomes more of a cultural polyglot, western ears are not shocked and confused by middle-eastern scales, for example. 2) There was a time when Jazz was judged a cheap, non-enlightened bawdy form of music. Today is it revered as among the most sophisticated and technically challenging styles of music. 3) There was a time when, from the perspective of the Christian church, that the use of instruments (other than the human voice) was judged so degenerative and shameful that they were banned. Now Churches pride themselves on the organs they contain. 4) The judgments made in the 1950's about the first electronic music broadcasts from WDR in Cologne in early 1950's would never have anticipated the impact they, and their authors, have made to influence popular music less than 50 years later. Unfortunately, your absolutist statements about music, perspective and judgments along with your blanket statements about individuals on this list have buried an interesting point you try to raise. Whatever your intention was, it seems the tone and attitude of your e-mail appear to have gotten in the way of your ideas. That's also a pity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Cooperman" To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Re: > > On Feb 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > I have no idea about the context in which these opinions are formed. > > And > > prior to reading this, I had no ideas about the person forming these > > opinions. And, based on what I read here, the writer of these > > opinions has > > clearly also demonstrated he does not know me at all, and thus can not > > speak > > for me in any way. > > Yes I do know some of what you do because you are on this list. I > never spoke for you, I spoke against you in the sense that technology > heads are pretty much fixed against music in its purest form. They are > stuck with electricity and a manual which takes vital energy away from > the [purest forms of creativity. > > Yes, I don't know you, you think you may know me but I would venture to > say that you only know me as a reactive person. You don't know what I > do nor do any of you except for maybe Tim Mungenast, who I've exchanged > with. As far as the rest of you guys maybe my horrifying looping > performance but it takes some talent to be horrifying and I have a > talent for that. > > You may be Beethoven or highly creative. I don't know. I figure most > of you are slaves to technology and this is a shame. > > As Bill said and I'll change the last words, "Shame on you technology > heads." You've maybe lost the meaning of pounding on real things as > they exist in nature. > > Shame on me, really! I'm not dissing anyone, I'm just calling what I > see. So shoot me for being honest. It happens all the time. I'm > happy to be shot, I don't have the kind of ego you think I have, I only > lose it when my manhood has been in question. > > > > As to technology and music - music is clearly influenced by technology. > > Advances in technology make it possible to construct and fabricate new > > instruments. This has always been the way since man started making > > sounds. > > Stone, wood, metal, silicone, and light. And each new instrument is > > taken > > up by players of that age and used to accomplish something a little > > new and > > different from others preceding it. The degree that a new instrument > > is > > adopted and can give voice to a new compelling musical repertoire, is > > the > > degree it becomes a success. > > yes but when it comes to contemporary technology then it is quite a > different matter than designing a new fingering system for the flute. > > Sometime todays technologies have taken music to a deformed place where > the chaos of human interaction and the thing being manipulated is not a > matter of musical talent it is a matter of one's ability to decipher a > manual and use a program. > > Some techno heads can't make a sound on a real thing and would have > made wooden shoes in the age of Bronze. > > > > This last comment from the post (quoted in full below) I found quite > > astonishing: > > > >> Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some > >> historical perspective. > > > > The thing about perspective is it changes based on where you sit. > > Perspective therefore is not fixed, it is changeable. And if > > perspectives > > change, then judgments that are fixed will become obsolete. > > Historical perspective never changes it is only added to. A judgment > is based on this it is not astonishing. In music perspective is > everything and a judgment is not an opinion which people can make all > of the opinions they want about the originality of this or that and it > turns into baby shit. If they don't have any historical perspective > than an opinion is a weak thing, like those who voted for Bush. > > Yes I agree but a judgment is something that comes from knowledge and > perspective. If there is new information perspectives can change but > it will still form into a judgment and not an opinion. Judgments > remain fixed if information remains the same. > > Show me something that happened in music that causes a person who has > perspective to change. Maybe Goreski's 3rd Symphony did a little to > change my judgment on what modern music can be but I'd venture to say > that there has been little in the last decade, in pure music, that is > not comprehensive with what came before. > > This may be a bad thing in a way. It stops thinking out of the box but > I like the box, so far it has made me happy as a musician. I have > context and I have direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Larry Cooperman" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:45 PM > > > > > >> > >> Hi Tony, > >> > >> I listened and I found the comp wanting nothing and found the title > >> quite proper for the sonic result. Very, very good! > >> > >> I have found that a lot of the people on this mailing list really > >> don't > >> understand music. > >> > >> They understand machines, popular "music," multimedia and other things > >> wrapped up in technology but music no. > >> > >> So I would take what everyone says here with a grain or a load of > >> salt. > >> > >> A while back I gave a series of compositions to one of these people > >> and > >> his brother for their amusement and because the primary function of > >> the > >> stuff was music, I heard nothing from them. They don't understand > >> music as an organic growing thing, they understand it as part of a > >> social order that they grew up with. This I know because I heard > >> them. > >> As good as they are I heard nothing new what-so-ever. So when > >> confronted with something that they haven't heard before they were > >> silent. > >> > >> What I mean to say is that music has a life beyond classifiers like > >> popular and technology. It is pure expression without the need for > >> monikers. > >> > >> We have a lot of highly intelligent people here who are schooled and > >> well read but treat their music like vestiges of their teenage years > >> and nothing beyond that. When I say they don't understand music I > >> mean > >> it. They have no historical perspective at all and believe me that is > >> need in the music arts as it is in any other. How the hell do you > >> know > >> when you're being a "rebel" if you know nothing about what you're > >> "rebelling" against. > >> > >> There are no rebels here. I read these emails from time to time most > >> of the time I just delete them because of the banal content, people > >> thinking they're really. really cutting edge and they are just not. > >> > >> I may get a kick out of something here someday but I attended Y2K4, > >> did > >> a really horrible performance myself but I am sure that I made sounds > >> that I hadn't heard before based on the chaos of all of the crappy > >> gear > >> that was meant to represent me. > >> > >> Is a paint brush gear? Is a vibrating string gear? Gear, gear so > >> what > >> if there is no electricity? Technology has made musicians out of > >> lawyers and bakers? No. At least not in my book. > >> > >> As well, a person playing in a orchestra is not the same caliber > >> creator as some of the Loopers. I always thought that being a > >> musician > >> had something to do with creation and with some orchestra musicians, > >> you take the sheet music away and they order a pizza. There was a > >> time > >> in classical music when everyone improvised. > >> > >> Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment. I have some > >> historical perspective. > >> > >> Larry Cooperman > >> New Millennium Guitar > >> http://www.newmillguitar.com > >> > > > > > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 17:29:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FMRbl24649; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:27:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:27:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <42116620.6020205@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <04cdc8d1c74172d722f4ebb470d5165a@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:24:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c260920b2f4c5d6eb970c59cce060b07f0a8193caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 15, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 9:59 AM -0800 2/15/05, Larry Cooperman wrote: > >> i spent 3 years smoking pot with most of my instructors for my mfa. > > Right. You went to CalArts? Yes Richard. > >> how anyone can stand doing a dma is beyond me except for killing time. > > My partner would probably disagree. She worked hard to get her DMA > from Stanford and she did some significant research on bowing > practices in the transitional period between the Baroque and > Classical. She has subsequently published some of this work and > otherwise passed it along to her students and her professional > colleagues. I think this is a fair example of how a serious > scholar/performer can treat the time spent and the work done in a > doctoral program. Yes, well I have to be my own person on the education thing that's why CalArts. They encourage you to take charge of your edu. I have no work to pass on about other people's work. > > I myself spent five years in a doctoral program (PhD in my case). I > worked hard, smoked no pot, made a lot of pieces and absorbed a lot of > information, and I consider it time well spent. I wrote and performed. I worked on research papers concerning the strange properties of the vibrating string and the fretting system, smoked a lot of pot and realized that i was born into the music thing so why agonize over an education. I just tried to keep it from interfering with what I already did and enjoyed the work of all of the talented people around me. I did what I did Richard and the intervention of a teacher at CalArts was to encourage growth as an artist. I am no scholar on other people's work unless there is a particular thing that they do I want to know so I get scores or these days, email and ask. Some composers will answer. > >> as you can maybe see i have very little respect for a comprehensive >> education that someone anoints you with. > > I don't think one can "anoint" you with a "comprehensive education" > though it is common practice to "bestow" a "degree" on someone who > follows orders for the prescribed period of time. However it is still > possible to earn a degree through educating one's self with the help > of a university. Yes! I am sure that your partner grabbed what she wanted. I waited until I was old to go to college and just wanted to be sanitized for teaching all to find out that literature would have been a better degree for me. My wife has this degree and I am more interested in what she is reading than what i am playing. Words are clear, music is abstract. Love the words though. > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 17:33:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FMUnC26152; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:30:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:30:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502152230.j1FMU7S25821@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:30:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUTqOGV02nU+CUjStGsh991GtKfyAABLgvA In-Reply-To: <42125B36.1010505@comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This does more then the EDP I am still working on the midi stuff right now (beyond the standard interface stuff that is) I love the UNDO to 0 wow that is fun I gotta learn some new stuff to use all the features in this one.... Wo.... -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available Will the EDP standard extended midi commands translate to Mobius? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 17:35:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FMXWJ27037; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:33:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:33:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=x8ILCyFf57+q+nJdXOn8Bw4g5tr4JVCxuWdTmPz4HEu0O4lExOyP/gCHLgiaYtZLerD9O4IID97Tc3M+VyX2KMOE5x5vrV9fEFRZkjJGm62DC5w+Y8V1tqFZt/Ok3Af7qV2ZUS+Cw2cNcR3mTZU+TOJat1jx9d7Nk/oqaW91rVY= ; Message-ID: <20050215223309.76020.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:33:09 -0800 (PST) From: Devin Smith Subject: re: flame war To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200502152013.j1FKD1e28435@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1213997309-1108506789=:74000" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1213997309-1108506789=:74000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You know, as much as I have been trying to ignore this thing and wait for it to pass over, I couldn't help but comment about some of the dichotomies that seem to have driven this whole thing. Regarding the topics of the educated/indoctrinated versus the uneducated/amateur, as well as that of unadulterated "musical virtue" versus a "reliance" upon technology, I am reminded of my close friend Durf. He is a terifically amateur musician (he can play guitar-- mostly power chords and simple bar chords-- and for a while his main method of playing the keyboards was to "only play the white keys") and yet a wonderful composer. He makes music on an audio editing program called Sound Edit, which for those of you who are familiar with this type of interface, is not really designed for producing music, and if at all, certainly not from scratch. But he does just that, in fact, utilizing sort of looping modalities. After years of working with the program, and a lot of tenacity, he is to the point where he can make really wonderful unclassifiable music, almost like a patchwork quilt. He uses a lot of household objects as sound sources, an manipulates them in various ways. On his last album, all of the drum sounds were made using cardboard boxes, pots and pans, ballpoint pens, and the drums are, if not realistic, very full and striking. His music has some pretty esoteric underpinnings, I think. Stuff like the relation between the micro and macroscopic, properties of resonance, etc. Anyway, I don't want to get too deeply into this topic, nor do I want to add fuel to the fire. I just think perhaps such dichotomies, while useful as analytical tools, are constraining when reified. Someone like Durf helps to illustrate how a person who is "amateur" and "reliant on technology" in one respect, can also be a kind of "master" whose technology leads him to an understanding at least equal to, perhaps greater, than that he might have attained through more conventional means: like learning to play both the black and the white keys on the piano. I'd like to conclude by noting a truism that I've found time and time again useful: opposites are similar. The most politically conservative and the most politically liberal/progressive share the most in common ideologically. They also have the least control over the political infrastructure. Perhaps try applying that to the aforementioned dichotomies and see what you come up with. In the meantime, I look forward to some useful and flame-free postings. -Devinelectronica%20and%20groove:%20Angst and%20Sex%20Music >%20ATTACHMENT%20part%208%20message/rfc822%20 Date:%20Tue,%2015%20Feb%202005%2011:40:58%20-0800 From:%20Larry%20Cooperman%20 To:%20Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject:%20Re:%20The%20Prodigal%20Son%20Comes%20Clean >%20By%20that%20same%20token,%20I'm%20not%20sure%20I%20would%20be%20prepared%20to%20take%20criticism >%20about%20looping%20seriously%20if%20it%20came%20from%20a%20guy%20who%20has%20had%20clearly%20 >%20stated >%20reservations%20about%20the%20approach%20for%20at%20least%20the%20last%20decade,%20and%20who >%20apparently%20can't%20work%20through%20the%20manual%20for%20an%20Echoplex%20Digital%20Pro. Andre, I%20didn't%20want%20to%20work%20through%20the%20EDP%20manual.%20%20It%20is%20a%20horribly%20written%20 thing%20and%20I%20don't%20handle%20this%20well.%20%20No%20patient. > >%20I%20wouldn't%20even%20begin%20to%20take%20myself%20seriously%20in%20assessing%20the >%20originality%20or%20uniqueness%20or" classical --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --0-1213997309-1108506789=:74000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

You know, as much as I have been trying to ignore this thing and wait for it to pass over, I couldn't help but comment about some of the dichotomies that seem to have driven this whole thing.

Regarding the topics of the educated/indoctrinated versus the uneducated/amateur, as well as that of unadulterated "musical virtue" versus a "reliance" upon technology, I am reminded of my close friend Durf. He is a terifically amateur musician (he can play guitar-- mostly power chords and simple bar chords-- and for a while his main method of playing the keyboards was to "only play the white keys") and yet a wonderful composer. He makes music on an audio editing program called Sound Edit, which for those of you who are familiar with this type of interface, is not really designed for producing music, and if at all, certainly not from scratch. But he does just that, in fact, utilizing sort of looping modalities. After years of working with the program, and a lot of tenacity, he is to the point where he can make really wonderful unclassifiable music, almost like a patchwork quilt. He uses a lot of household objects as sound sources, an manipulates them in various ways. On his last album, all of the drum sounds were made using cardboard boxes, pots and pans, ballpoint pens, and the drums are, if not realistic, very full and striking.

His music has some pretty esoteric underpinnings, I think. Stuff like the relation between the micro and macroscopic, properties of resonance, etc.

Anyway, I don't want to get too deeply into this topic, nor do I want to add fuel to the fire. I just think perhaps such dichotomies, while useful as analytical tools, are constraining when reified. Someone like Durf helps to illustrate how a person who is "amateur" and "reliant on technology" in one respect, can also be a kind of "master" whose technology leads him to an understanding at least equal to, perhaps greater, than that he might have attained through more conventional means: like learning to play both the black and the white keys on the piano.

I'd like to conclude by noting a truism that I've found time and time again useful: opposites are similar. The most politically conservative and the most politically liberal/progressive share the most in common ideologically. They also have the least control over the political infrastructure. Perhaps try applying that to the aforementioned dichotomies and see what you come up with.

In the meantime, I look forward to some useful and flame-free postings.

-Devin

Do you Yahoo!?
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Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --0-1213997309-1108506789=:74000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 18:11:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FN9NM02553; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:09:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:09:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: people opinion of people Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:06:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609192b2657a9a3754e7313c2015b020b78a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 15, 2005, at 2:32 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Larry - > > You have proven definitively (with the content of your reply to my > e-mail to > you) that you do not know me. Instead, you have made additional > assumptions > about me based on no real knowledge about me. This is a pity. there is no complete lack of knowledge here so i do know you, you're on the list. ain't no pity here i have no pity, like tell me, should i have pity my friend. i know you love music and yourself. i mean that in a positive way. > > Your argument is that people become lost in, or blinded even, by the > technology discussed on this Loopers-Delight list. So? Perhaps > Loopers-Delight is a place where people gather to learn more about the > capabilities of their technology, and in so doing to extend their > musical > capabilities? Perhaps this is a venue for people to learn? Learning > is not > a problem, is it? yep, looper's delight is the best place on the internet as far as a discussion group not only because i am an asshole but because you call me on it but also suggest that you think i have something to say but i am not dainty. > > First, I suggest that discussion of looping technology on this looping > list > originally created by and associated with a website that is dedicated > to > looping and looping technology should not be a surprise to you. yep, i sure know that one bubba. > > When I go to Russia, it is reasonable to me that I will hear Russian > spoken > around me. When I read posts from Loopers-Delight, it is reasonable > to me > that I might read about looping technology. I'm not surprised. I may > not > understand a lot of what I read here. I may not be as interested in > some > topics as I am in others. But I'm not surprised that on an e-list > created > by and for looping musicians, who invariably must use technology of > some > sort to accomplish their looping, that discussion of technology takes > place. you still miss my point, most of you do. let me restate it-be careful when giving someone advice on their music and especially if you are trying to shove this music in a box. i know that a lot of folks here think that i am a boxer with the box but i am free of all of these things. i have no boxes of music, just boxes of people, so pardon me if you think i have boxed you. i ain't heard your music there bubba. i try to sound like a southern person when i'm talkin'. it makes this all more comfortable that i'm talking at cha' i am trying to be constructive here and i know there was a breakdown of civility and i intentionally caused it. remember, i'm an asshole as some great scholar once said. but, and that is a big butt, this is about music and people's work. a person said something to another a thing that was not productive. the walker bros haven't listened to my cd in 7 months so some protocols have been broken. now i need to be stroked by the bros because i did such a horrifying performance and i turned it into a don rickels number with the manual and all of that. i though it was great fun but i had to absolve my vile performance. so, in human nature this causes a maladjustment in that relationship and you should give advice from the perspective of that music not yours. well here's what i would so is not the way you start a useful critique on another's music. this is important now that i have your attention. > > Indeed, because of this forum, I've been able to suggest and then > obtain two > capabilities I thought would benefit the looping technology I own. > These > capabilities are now part of the feature-set of the latest EDP > software. > So, I've used this very unique forum to shape the looping technology to > better suit my musical needs. And I'm grateful to the authors of the > EDP > software for including my requests in their product. cool > > Second, I suspect like many here, I read and subscribe to other music > related e-lists. These other lists are based around discussion of > other > topics. They each have their own "style" or "flavor" and to varying > degrees > contribute to my musical circumstances. I get musical inspiration from > other places than Loopers-Delight. As we all do. i'm a dead serious about music mother. this is all i do i live it in spite of the rest of the world, my family and my associations over house cleaning and yard work to my drinkin' buddies understand me. i'm just a musician and some people open their mouths and it just gripes me. i've messed around on this group before being an asshole but this kind of thing gets to me and this guy has been kicked off for a while. oh, please kick me off. i'm staying until i'm kicked off because it's the right place to be kicked off of or something like that. i mean chat groups are generally a waste of time but this one isn't. > > I've been reading this list off and on since 1996. Many topics have > repeated and returned over that time. Some discussions evolve and > some seem > to get stuck. Your premise that the Loopers-Delight email list talks > about > technology too much has been discussed here before. It's not > important that > so far you've not added anything new to the discussion. What is > important > is that you've raised it again. But unfortunately, your manner and > style > has killed the discussion before it really got started. More's the > pity. > Or perhaps you have another goal? i think you're getting on to me me by asking your question. i do have the goal of turning trash into a flower at this point. i've made my point. and i did say that at loopers delight there is too much talk about buttons and therefore when a musical discussion comes up, an inquiry into someone's music, they often start off in a counter productive manner like our friend did. we all have a little of that in us, you know, that self centered how do i look sort of orientation. i mean, if you talk about golf all the time how you gonna talk about art. you have no practice. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 18:34:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FNWi607003; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:32:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:32:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.90,87,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="609139680:sNHT12995732" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050215223309.76020.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050215223309.76020.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: flame war Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:31:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <7LSe5D.A.anB.NZoECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, I've basically enjoyed the hell out this particular looper's war. As a total non-participant, that's been relatively easy...but it's certainly been about interesting issues, and has been engaged in with typical looper's-list eloquence and distinctness, by many of the folks whom I most enjoy lurking amongst...and it's definitely bought out some great posts, like this one...and the memories of Andre at CalArts....so, while I hate to see the apparent pain some have felt, I just want to interject a quick "Thanks, folks--very diverting!" to all involved. dc On Feb 15, 2005, at 2:33 PM, Devin Smith wrote: > You know, as much as I have been trying to ignore this thing and wait > for it to pass over, I couldn't help but comment about some of the > dichotomies that seem to have driven this whole thing. > > In the meantime, I look forward to some useful and flame-free postings. > > -Devin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 18:49:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1FNlNx10227; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:47:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:47:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.90,87,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="609170824:sNHT731618026" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Question for Larry Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:46:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <6Br8jC.A.VdC.PnoECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm curious about your idea of perspective: I understood you to say that having a certain amount of exposure or education (to history, or to music) leads more or less ineluctably to a particular position or opinion on the topic...or something, like perhaps, the more you know, the more you must agree with others who know...hmmm; I must not be following you. Would you mind restating it? (I'm serious...not trying to pick a fight, or re-ignite anything!) dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 19:08:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G06Wm15555; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:06:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:06:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050215223309.76020.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050215223309.76020.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <580219ee6ce4c3e23401656330fe3a99@newmillguitar.com> From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: flame war Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:02:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c26090e1ed970f7347d3ea27e7ff02c8ed84a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1G05DS15289 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 15, 2005, at 2:33 PM, Devin Smith wrote: > You know, as much as I have been trying to ignore this thing and wait > for it to pass over, I couldn't help but comment about some of the > dichotomies that seem to have driven this whole thing. > > Regarding the topics of the educated/indoctrinated versus the > uneducated/amateur, as well as that of unadulterated "musical virtue" > versus a "reliance" upon technology, I am reminded of my close friend > Durf. He is a terifically amateur musician (he can play guitar-- > mostly power chords and simple bar chords-- and for a while his main > method of playing the keyboards was to "only play the white keys") and > yet a wonderful composer. He makes music on an audio editing program > called Sound Edit, which for those of you who are familiar with this > type of interface, is not really designed for producing music, and if > at all, certainly not from scratch. But he does just that, in fact, > utilizing sort of looping modalities. After years of working with the > program, and a lot of tenacity, he is to the point where he can make > really wonderful unclassifiable music, almost like a patchwork quilt. > He uses a lot of household objects as sound sources, an manipulates > them in var! ious ways. On his last album, all of the drum sounds were > made using cardboard boxes, pots and pans, ballpoint pens, and the > drums are, if not realistic, very full and striking. > > His music has some pretty esoteric underpinnings, I think. Stuff like > the relation between the micro and macroscopic, properties of > resonance, etc. i'm sure these kinds of things can happen within a program. i can make formal relations within a constraint. as a matter of musical fact, that's what a form is. a form is a program let's say and the events are the ram. i can act like a monkey and do the most untrained and horrifying expressions in sound. i can also make highly controlled pieces where everything is accounted for in a modern and traditional way. the two exists in one life but when you talk about buttons all of the time you don't talk about music. so when a guy talks about someone's music to them he talks about what his buttons have done in the ambient world. just gripes me. it's wrong to box the guy's music up this way and if he is truly a student and expecting to get a sage on loopers delight he may take this to heart and ruin some of his work. from the sound of this guy it will really be no problem. he knows what he's doing as an artist. > > Anyway, I don't want to get too deeply into this topic, nor do I want > to add fuel to the fire. I just think perhaps such dichotomies, while > useful as analytical tools, are constraining when reified. Someone > like Durf helps to illustrate how a person who is "amateur" and > "reliant on technology" in one respect, can also be a kind of "master" > whose technology leads him to an understanding at least equal to, > perhaps greater, than that he might have attained through more > conventional means: like learning to play both the black and the white > keys on the piano. nix on that last statement. there is no way that a musician is better off not knowing something unless there's some sort of time constraints. a program is a constraint and to master it would be to master running with a potato sack on. you can do some interesting things with it but where's the freedom? i guess you could learn to be free within the constraints but where's the freedom that is necessary for a clean association with music at the outset. > > I'd like to conclude by noting a truism that I've found time and time > again useful: opposites are similar. The most politically conservative > and the most politically liberal/progressive share the most in common > ideologically. They also have the least control over the political > infrastructure. Perhaps try applying that to the aforementioned > dichotomies and see what you come up with. > > In the meantime, I look forward to some useful and flame-free postings. you know devin, the truth comes out when passions are lit. i find this kind of thing very useful. the thing about talking about buttons musical virtue, as you put it, is a corporeal life beyond electricity. i don't like that flame thing. it has overtones of something that i don't do. i have passion. > > -Devin > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 19:20:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G0ICu17552; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:18:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:18:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <76268fc26947dc19c39ab0811d632722@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Question for Larry Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:15:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c260928af5b4271639c3e56fdf7aa5e890ef1387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 15, 2005, at 3:46 PM, David Coffin wrote: > I'm curious about your idea of perspective: I understood you to say > that having a certain amount of exposure or education (to history, or > to music) leads more or less ineluctably to a particular position or > opinion on the topic...or something, like perhaps, the more you know, > the more you must agree with others who know...hmmm; I must not be > following you. Would you mind restating it? (I'm serious...not trying > to pick a fight, or re-ignite anything!) > dc > > in some ways that is so. like acquiring a taste. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 20:46:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G1iWd31672; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:44:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:44:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <87.216739b1.2f43ff1e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:42:54 EST Subject: in ear monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <4uqZE.A.trH.qUqECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't remember if this was already in the monitors thread so forgive redundancy, it just popped up on local craigslist: http://www.westone.com/music might be of interest. 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Only MasterLink lets you capture your mixes in stunning 24-bit, 96kHZ; edit your recording and apply finishing tools - such as high-resolution parametric EQ Compression, limiting and normalizing - all in the same system and then burn the finished recording in either industry-standard Redbook, or new high resolution CD24, fast becoming the new standard for archiving and transferring high-res. audio files to the mastering room * Huge internal hard disk recorder...up to 30 hours of two-track audio capacity * Burn CDs using Standard "Red Book" (16-bit/44.1kHz) and high resolution formats.up 24-bit, 96kHz * Choose any combination of digital resolutions (16-, 20-, and 24-bit) and sample rates (44.1, 48, 88.2, and 96kHz) with full AIFF compatibility * Organize song playlists with total control of fade-ins, fade-outs, track gain, start points, track cropping and more * Stores 16 different playlists containing up to 99 songs each * Onboard digital signal processing: compression, EQ, limiting, and normalization * Uses inexpensive, readily available CD-Rs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 21:38:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G2ZNs08089; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:35:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:35:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=R23EsA+dJiRl6TqwCgjUUCecyxEn6pPGjTT1a6Gj8rcc10dr5VZvCxGyMoVbmKv7pU0wAN/IFm+EINVnz7PIWZrQ5A6mHpqNlF2bUNTp3Amdq7L/x+hlt2faouszPzcftn6B2Minq4K/3Rx6DWHii75tEWkZAgWg/q2FpcEY6xc= ; Message-ID: <20050216023401.37116.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:34:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Re: cancer cure To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope my playing can be therapeutic as well; a friend who has just completed chemo and raditation therapies has asked me to come play for her. I'm in the midst of a major looping rig overhaul, and this gives me a tangible goal to get the setup together again, and a sort of test performance situation. It's the worst/best kind of stagefright. Best wishes to Dr. Z; since it seemes to be working, keep doing what you've been doing! -t- --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 10:54 PM +0000 2/14/05, a k butler wrote: > >At 22:22 14/02/05, you wrote: > >>>Nobody's music is curing cancer > >> > >>Mine is. > >>-- > >> > >>______________________________________________________________ > >>Richard Zvonar, PhD > > > >please elucidate > > I have cancer. > > I play music. > > I'm still alive. > > Something's working. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 22:13:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G3CuY14767; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:12:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:12:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42127220.3040702@toadmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:05:20 +0000 From: Todd Pafford User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <4136034251b374cb6495c8ec1be4996e@newmillguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <4136034251b374cb6495c8ec1be4996e@newmillguitar.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry Cooperman wrote: >...a player who knows nothing about music history is > doomed to repeat it, get stoned and think he is a rebel... Maybe, but isn't the important point that said musician had fun doing it? That at the end of his or her short life they can look back with fondness about how they spent their time? It seems to me, Larry, that you're very caught up in the judgment of other people's entertainment. That if it does not, in your opinion, fulfill some criteria of artistic merit or newness then it is a waste of time. In my opinion this is a very narrow portal through wich to experience life. Ultimately, isn't judging a musician's art like judging someone's cooking? Do you like it? Good. Oh, you don't like it? Then don't eat it. Don't condemn others who do like the cuisine. My two cents. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 22:36:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G3XRW17913; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:33:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:33:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c513d8$36f1ff20$6402a8c0@focus> From: "dominic frasca" To: References: <4211BEB8.48C44153@altruistmusic.com> <200502160251.j1G2poGi000518@ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Subject: Re: The Prodigal Son Comes Clean Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:32:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [70.19.87.122] at Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:32:58 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It has become ever so apparent to me that after reading the words of Larry Coperman and having heard his music that he is man extraordinary gifs and talents. We all could stop and learn a few things from Mr. Coperman. I know personally that my life and music will never quite be the same.Larry has touched my sole in away no one ever has before. I only hope to achieve a small fraction of the artist greatness that is Larry Coperman, for he is my HERO. Dominic Frasca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Cooperman" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:40 PM Subject: Re: The Prodigal Son Comes Clean >> By that same token, I'm not sure I would be prepared to take criticism >> about looping seriously if it came from a guy who has had clearly stated >> reservations about the approach for at least the last decade, and who >> apparently can't work through the manual for an Echoplex Digital Pro. > > Andre, > > I didn't want to work through the EDP manual. It is a horribly written > thing and I don't handle this well. No patient. >> >> I wouldn't even begin to take myself seriously in assessing the >> originality or uniqueness or "meaning" of a classical >> guitarist/composer, as I lack any meaningful understanding of the >> specific world you inhabit. So I'm not sure where a person with Larry's >> background is coming from in saying (for example) that a fantastic, >> musical, expressive player like Bill Walker doesn't have his own voice. > > I just didn't hear it that night Andre. That's all I've heard of Bill but > I can very much see that a night is just a night and I've had nights that > I'd just likely forget. >> >> If you're going to judge somebody's work - and especially if you're >> going to make conclusions about the meaning of their music in the >> context of their life in general - then it seems to me that the barest >> minimum requirement is to judge it in the appropriate context. > > You may be coming into this late. There was this very good composer, Tony > who addressed the group for comment on his wonderful piece. Someone said > that it was too busy and he needed to delete some of it. This was an > ambient guy and Tony's music wasn't ambient. > > I lost it and charged that, and you speak of context, that there are some > people that are in the group that, either are not musicians or they have > no perspective to judge and give advice. Bill and Rick were innocent > bystanders and I have already apologized to Bill offline. > > Tonality is the thing here. If I hear someone doing too much tonal stuff > I figure that's all they do. That's OK but it leaves a gap when > approaching music that is non-tonal or fleetingly tonal. It's not that I > am against tonality it is just that a lot has happened since. > > By being a guitarist I had to work really hard to not be an anachronism, a > New Age guitarist, a guitarist that just genuflected to the prevailing > currents of guitar playing. >> >> And that context is not about what kind of degree you have, or whether >> you >> hang out with Segovia's ghost at the local Ouija board house. It's >> about understanding the particular musical dialect a person is speaking, >> and knowing the proper historical context for that dialect. (And maybe >> even being able to speak it with a fair amount of fluency onesself.) > > You know? Someone asked me for my reason for making judgments by asking > me what accomplishments and so forth I had. Segovia actually made me very > sick and it is a natural thing that he did make me sick after a while. I > could give a crap about paper. I didn't even get a high school diploma > because I was playing in a band and all things associated to that. They > made me get a GED at CalArts for my undergraduate. > > I am conversant in most musical languages and can work in context that i > can stand. >> >> Stirring shit up is fine, as long as you're willing to spend time >> picking turds out of your beard. Recognizing and acknowledging the >> immense limitations of one's own abilities, when compared to the vast >> and unknowable immensity that is the world of music, is a really healthy >> and sobering thing, though it tends to sound a bit insincere when >> "qualified" by endless paragraphs trumpeting the breadth and depth of >> one's own resume. > > That's what I keep saying. I say my music is crap compared to the music > of Rautavaara or others. Well Andre, I was asked for it and within my > resume I said very specifically that you can put a noose around my head > and kick the chair out and fully expected, you in your very kind way, to > do it. I've been on this group for 8 months and kept it to myself. > Michael, from AU asked to put my money where my mouth is. I only ask for > a break on this matter on all the rest I don't. I could give a shit about > what a resume says, the question is; What are you now doing? >> >> And accusing other musicians of being stuck in a regressive teenaged >> mindset is an interesting thing to do, particularly when it's >> accompanied by the more or less explicit statement that "That's not an >> opinion, that's a fact, because it's how I feel." > > No, it's a judgment based on empirical evidence in some cases. I am judge > and jury as to what I accept as mature, immature and dishonest maturity. >> >> Ah well. >> >> Glad to hear the career is going well, Mr. Cooperman, and that time >> hasn't diminished your immense musical talent, or your singular charm >> and interpersonal panache. I've had an interesting time of it too, >> since we last talked. I don't know how my work measures up to any >> particular yardstick in the grand scheme of things, but it sure was >> great to see a pair of beautiful girls dancing to my solo guitar loops >> for half an hour at a party last October. > > Thank you Mr. LaFosse. In the grand scheme of things Looper's Delight > should be careful about giving talented young composers advice and leave > their personal limitations out of their comments. >> >> Right now I have to go practice for a series of gigs next month, using >> five Echoplexes at the same time. It was actually booked by a classical >> guitarist named Dominic Frasca, who plays solo arrangements of Philip >> Glass tunes, and has recorded some of Phil's work for widespread >> release. I'd be curious to hear the two of you debate the relative >> merits of looping (or merely your respective resumes) some time... > > I know Dominic. I just reviewed some of his music via Kevin Gallagher's > suggestion. Kevin is another NY guitarist that is as wide as a Western > landscape. Cut the resume stuff and I will be happy. Like I said and I'm > sure that it's been heard. I never flash my resume unless someone asks > and I was asked and now I'm hung. Well hung. >> >> In the meantime, my advice: if you don't enjoy a list, or the climate >> therein, you can always unsubscribe! It worked (and continues to work) >> for me... >> >> Singing off (again), >> >> --Andre LaFosse >> The Echoplex Analysis Pages: >> http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP >> >> > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 22:49:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G3kjf19565; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:46:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:46:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:46:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: (perhaps a different angle on the thread.) From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To all my colleagues on the list, with much respect and humility I have watched this (Larry Cooperman) thread closely and have marvelled at a few things which I hoped might support us all if not simply be found interesting by some of us. 1. the compassion of people on this list is amazing. I respect heartily my colleagues here: Richard, Bill, Rick, Ted, Andre, Per and many others who I regret not to have mentioned as I'm penning hurriedly. This list is filled with an amazing array of lurkers and posters, many whose experience and insight is unparalleled. It is amazing to see the actual lengths we will go to to reach out to an individual and engage in open communication, whether he himself is open or not, whether he is the same or different, ignorant, arrogant, whether he/she is a flamethrower, teambuilder, secure or offering up their resume for legitimacy. 2. I marvel at the legitimacy which actually becomes available through the flame. Let the responses begin and the downward spiral quickly develops into reckless speech and power struggle, not to mention 'the pissing match'. All the while, the one left standing is the one with the most piss, not necessarily the most heart or music, because in the end there is simply nothing left to say after so much dismissal. 3. a few of our heartiest contributors and committed musicians have left the list because there is so much less music discussion than there is flame or gear-speak. It would be INCREDIBLE to have more discussions and heartful offerings about music, much as Tony originated with his request for feedback. That request, of course, is the seed for this enormous thread. Irony, gotta love it. 4. last thing, I promise. It's not the mouth, it's the music. Larry, post us some music if after all of this you can risk it. I know it's easy to type on the keyboard, but let's all take a listen to the music behind the man who has so compellingly drawn us all in. Please post a link or explain equally eloquently why you cannot, and I can guarantee you your website will be flooded with hits by end of evening. With all the support you have given for the excellence of your career and your music, I am finding myself wanting to hear you very much. Unless I'm a web idiot, I couldn't find any mp3's on your site, and I can't read music. Perhaps we should all offer up more music. Putting our music where our mouths are... I have learned the most from listening to all the folks I listed above and more. The learning happens to be my thing. So for my part of the conversation which I've waited a few days to offer, I request more that I can learn from. It is always interesting to learn psychologically from watching people piss in their self propagated and referential matches, but it's music which digs us out from our myopia. Post some music, Larry. All best to all the best. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 23:15:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G4DF625461; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:13:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:13:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <42127220.3040702@toadmail.com> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <4136034251b374cb6495c8ec1be4996e@newmillguitar.com> <42127220.3040702@toadmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Re: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:10:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609f131bc0772e13737be740dbf460f7f75a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 15, 2005, at 2:05 PM, Todd Pafford wrote: > Larry Cooperman wrote: >> ...a player who knows nothing about music history is doomed to repeat >> it, get stoned and think he is a rebel... > > > Maybe, but isn't the important point that said musician had fun doing > it? That at the end of his or her short life they can look back with > fondness about how they spent their time? damn do i always have fun but don't you want to know when you've actually said something? i mean is it such a bad thing to know a whole hell of a lot of music? why does anyone want to limit themselves unless it's just entertainment. in that case you know what stroke feels good and it doesn't stretch you so you can get stoned on it and forget that there are things that you don't understand. > > It seems to me, Larry, that you're very caught up in the judgment of > other people's entertainment. That if it does not, in your opinion, > fulfill some criteria of artistic merit or newness then it is a waste > of time. yes, we all chose what to waste out time on. i look for my entertainment watching american idol and star trek. i separate artistic merit and entertainment. they usually make an oxymoron. > In my opinion this is a very narrow portal through wich to experience > life. Well actually Todd I was saying that about someone who is limited by music as entertainment. i do have a great time playing music. > Ultimately, isn't judging a musician's art like judging someone's > cooking? Do you like it? Good. Oh, you don't like it? Then don't > eat it. Don't condemn others who do like the cuisine. i am on a high fat diet for something that dribbles the fat of meaning down my chin. i condemn those people who are on low fat musical diets that are giving advice to high fat musicians. that's all. > > My two cents. > Todd > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 15 23:18:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G4HQC26259; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:17:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:17:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <002f01c513d8$36f1ff20$6402a8c0@focus> References: <4211BEB8.48C44153@altruistmusic.com> <200502160251.j1G2poGi000518@ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <002f01c513d8$36f1ff20$6402a8c0@focus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0a92949220f5386aed104248684a13f8@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: The Prodigal Son Comes Clean Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:14:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609f131bc0772e13737e12455eac13a66013ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 15, 2005, at 7:32 PM, dominic frasca wrote: > It has become ever so apparent to me that after reading the words of > Larry Coperman and having heard his music that he is man extraordinary > gifs and talents. We all could stop and learn a few things from Mr. > Coperman. I know personally that my life and music will never quite be > the same.Larry has touched my sole in away no one ever has before. I > only hope to achieve a small fraction of the artist greatness that is > Larry Coperman, for he is my HERO. > Dominic Frasca good gods man, i heard your music and you are a genius. are you just being funny? i'm not. you do more with a guitar than four people at once. i am my hero because i am an asshole. besides dominic where did you hear my music? kevin ain't got any of it. besides, you're pulling my leg. i'm not pulling yours, you are one of a kind. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 00:24:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G5Mg804548; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:22:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:22:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:22:13 -0500 Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please please please PLEASE port this thing. We mac folks need it. Of course I'll try to run it on virtual pc. Good job. T. On 2/15/05 12:23 PM, "Jeff Larson" wrote: > > Some of you may recall that about 9 months ago during an embarrassing > bout of hubris, I announced that I was writing a Windows looping > application that emulated a Loop IV EDP. It probably comes as no > surprise that I underestimated how hard that was going to be :-) > > But I'm pleased (and relieved) to finally say that a public beta of > the Mobius looping device is now available. You can find it at > www.zonemobius.com. It was developed on Windows XP, should run on W2K > and ME, but might not run on 98. > > Mobius is essentially 8 independent stereo EDPs with the ability to > copy loops and timing between them. Extensive MIDI, computer > keyboard, and UI button control is provided. Progress through the > loop is displayed as a horizontal "thermometer" annotated with markers > that show when quantized functions will occur. Loops (including > complete layer histories) may be saved to and loaded from files. > > I believe there is fairly complete coverage of features except for > three notable areas: Loop Windowing, Interface Mode, and external > synchronization. I'm working on loop windowing now. Andy Butler made > the wise suggestion not to get too fixated on a perfect > emulation and instead implement features the way they made sense to > me. I do have an EDP and use it to cross check behavior, but if you > are an expert you will notice some differences. Most of these are > discussed in the user's manual. > > While anyone is welcome to try it out, it would be best if you already > have some knowledge of the EDP. For obvious reasons I don't have the > resources to replicate the EDP manual, the documentation I do have > is concerned mostly with configuration and how Mobius is different > than the EDP. This is a true beta, so it's still a little rough > around the edges. Basic operations should work but as you explore the > fringes you may find problems. PLEASE report them. > > There is no immediate plan for a Mac port or a VST plugin. I am > finding it easier and more interesting to evolve Mobius as a > standalone application that can host VST plugins and provide the > optimized performance features I want, rather than having it be a VST > plugin and wrestle with host interaction issues. That may change > once I start exploring Ableton Live, but not for awhile. > > I hope some of you find this as entertaining as I do. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 00:55:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G5rPB08076; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:53:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:53:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <200502160349.j1G3nF020081@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502160349.j1G3nF020081@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: people opinion of people Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:52:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed958548ee93a94650d96245f263f9b6b70350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.127.208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Didn't the musician-who-was-criticized request "brutal honesty" in the feedback? When you ask for that from strangers, you might get something that's a little heavy on the "brutal" aspect, although I don't remember the response that triggered all this to having been brutal or cruel. It may have been unfounded or inconsiderate, or it may have just been an honest opinion. I haven't gotten the impression that the recipient is weeping in his room, forever scarred by what's been said. When you decide to take your music out before the public, that's the risk you take. Some people will tell you it sucks and that you suck, some will jeer openly or write Pitchfork-eque review and some may be so put off by it they won't even say anything for seven months. As a public musician one needs to have thicker skin then the average person. Much thicker. If I had a nickel for every demo or booking letter that I've sent out which never garnered any response despite multiple follow ups, I'd be a rich man. On Feb 15, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Larry Cooperman wrote: > but, and that is a big butt, this is about music and people's work. a > person said something to another a thing that was not productive. the > walker bros haven't listened to my cd in 7 months so some protocols > have been broken. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 00:56:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G5tnZ08554; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:55:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:55:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:55:31 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: what are we arguing about again? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4212E053.9030007@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <4136034251b374cb6495c8ec1be4996e@newmillguitar.com> <42127220.3040702@toadmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i am on a high fat diet for something that dribbles the fat of meaning > down my chin. i condemn those people who are on low fat musical diets > that are giving advice to high fat musicians. that's all. I have about as much passion for this topic as I do for the hair medallions forming in my shower drain. But I must say that I truly love this quote. I intend to use it for my own nefarious purposes. In the field in which I work (computers), we have similar issues. Something truly innovative is rare, and requires a lot of study or theft. But the water between the innovators and the people that know how to operate an email client is wide. There is plenty of room for advice within this spectrum. The same, I would imagine, is true for musicians. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 01:38:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G6asB13890; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:36:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:36:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <04cdc8d1c74172d722f4ebb470d5165a@newmillguitar.com> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <42116620.6020205@iinet.net.au> <04cdc8d1c74172d722f4ebb470d5165a@newmillguitar.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:30:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1103586810==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1103586810==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:24 PM -0800 2/15/05, Larry Cooperman wrote: >>You went to CalArts? > >Yes Richard. CalArts is a curious place. Many talented artists have passed through there, but it also has its share of wankers. I was never a student there, but I taught at the Music School part time for three semesters. I had several students who were quite impressive and with whom I still have warm relationships. I also had a few students who were spoiled brats and who didn't deign to attend class. >Yes, well I have to be my own person on the education thing that's >why CalArts. They encourage you to take charge of your edu. I have >no work to pass on about other people's work. I once had to make a choice between the Center for Contemporary Music at Mill College and the Music Department at UC San Diego. I was attracted to Mills for cultural reasons but opted for UCSD for practical reasons. It proved to be a reasonable choice in that I experienced a degree of pedagogical rigor at UCSD that was not available at Mills during those years (1977-82). However I'd probably have had more "fun" and might have made more relevant connections at Mills. In the end I think it's pointless to play "what if" with one's life decisions. We all make something personal out of the situations we put ourselves into. >I did what I did Richard and the intervention of a teacher at >CalArts was to encourage growth as an artist. We establish different sorts of relationships with different teachers. From some of my teachers I learned craft and intellectual rigor. From others I was influenced on a philosophical level. Still others provided me with models of what I didn't want to do. The further along I got the more self-reliant I became. Of course part of my own trajectory was due to the fact that i re-entered academia at age 29 after a rather lackluster undergraduate experience and after some years of real-world music making, film making, and struggling to make ends meet. >I am no scholar on other people's work unless there is a particular >thing that they do I want to know so I get scores or these days, >email and ask. Some composers will answer. I'm also an autodidact, in areas that catch my attention. This was always the case, even in childhood. I rarely did well with standard curricula, but fortunately was smart enough to slog through the requirements without major effort. In the end I've come to be scholarly in my own way, and I try to pass along what I know to others who might find it useful. >Yes! I am sure that your partner grabbed what she wanted. She was also smart enough, infuriatingly self-disciplined, and possessed of a remarkable memory, so she was able to negotiate all the standard requirements without breaking much of a sweat. >I waited until I was old to go to college I recommend this approach. I sometimes think that it can be a better choice to postpone university study until one is in one's late 20s or early 30s. >to find out that literature would have been a better degree for me. My undergraduate degree was in Humanities (Literature and Film) and Engineering (Aeronautics and Astronautics), with only a smattering of music courses. This worked fine for me. >My wife has this degree and I am more interested in what she is >reading than what i am playing. Words are clear, music is abstract. >Love the words though. A nice thing about literature is that it is open to anyone, without any special training. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1103586810==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Re: Re: Re:
At 2:24 PM -0800 2/15/05, Larry Cooperman wrote:

You went to CalArts?

Yes Richard.

CalArts is a curious place. Many talented artists have passed through there, but it also has its share of wankers. I was never a student there, but I taught at the Music School part time for three semesters. I had several students who were quite impressive and with whom I still have warm relationships. I also had a few students who were spoiled brats and who didn't deign to attend class.


Yes, well I have to be my own person on the education thing that's why CalArts.  They encourage you to take charge of your edu.  I have no work to pass on about other people's work.

I once had to make a choice between the Center for Contemporary Music at Mill College and the Music Department at UC San Diego. I was attracted to Mills for cultural reasons but opted for UCSD for practical reasons. It proved to be a reasonable choice in that I experienced a degree of pedagogical rigor at UCSD that was not available at Mills during those years (1977-82). However I'd probably have had more "fun" and might have made more relevant connections at Mills.

In the end I think it's pointless to play "what if" with one's life decisions. We all make something personal out of the situations we put ourselves into.


I did what I did Richard and the intervention of a teacher at CalArts was to encourage growth as an artist. 

We establish different sorts of relationships with different teachers. From some of my teachers I learned craft and intellectual rigor. From others I was influenced on a philosophical level. Still others provided me with models of what I didn't want to do.  The further along I got the more self-reliant I became. Of course part of my own trajectory was due to the fact that i re-entered academia at age 29 after a rather lackluster undergraduate experience and after some years of real-world music making, film making, and struggling to make ends meet.

I am no scholar on other people's work unless there is a particular thing that they do I want to know so I get scores or these days, email and ask.  Some composers will answer.

I'm also an autodidact, in areas that catch my attention. This was always the case, even in childhood. I rarely did well with standard curricula, but fortunately was smart enough to slog through the requirements without major effort. In the end I've come to be scholarly in my own way, and I try to pass along what I know to others who might find it useful.


Yes!  I am sure that your partner grabbed what she wanted.

She was also smart enough, infuriatingly self-disciplined, and possessed of a remarkable memory, so she was able to negotiate all the standard requirements without breaking much of a sweat.

I waited until I was old to go to college

I recommend this approach. I sometimes think that it can be a better choice to postpone university study until one is in one's late 20s or early 30s.

to find out that literature would have been a better degree for me.

My undergraduate degree was in Humanities (Literature and Film) and Engineering (Aeronautics and Astronautics), with only a smattering of music courses. This worked fine for me.

My wife has this degree and I am more interested in what she is reading than what i am playing.  Words are clear, music is abstract.  Love the words though.

A nice thing about literature is that it is open to anyone, without any special training.
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--============_-1103586810==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 03:52:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G8meg31286; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:48:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:48:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c51404$1f32e120$6402a8c0@focus> From: "dominic frasca" To: References: <4211BEB8.48C44153@altruistmusic.com> <200502160251.j1G2poGi000518@ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <002f01c513d8$36f1ff20$6402a8c0@focus> <0a92949220f5386aed104248684a13f8@newmillguitar.com> Subject: Re: The Prodigal Son Comes Clean Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:47:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [70.19.87.122] at Wed, 16 Feb 2005 02:47:15 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry, My apologies. I was being sincere in my words but I just realized I mistook you for avant-garde percussionist/composer Laurence Coperman who music I was turned onto by Dutch composer Hans Luden. I should of realized you were not the same person because from what I hear Laurence Coperman dose not own a phone or T.V let alone a computer. My bad , sorry. I am now however very interested in hearing your music. All the best Dominic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Cooperman" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:14 PM Subject: Re: The Prodigal Son Comes Clean > > On Feb 15, 2005, at 7:32 PM, dominic frasca wrote: > >> It has become ever so apparent to me that after reading the words of >> Larry Coperman and having heard his music that he is man extraordinary >> gifs and talents. We all could stop and learn a few things from Mr. >> Coperman. I know personally that my life and music will never quite be >> the same.Larry has touched my sole in away no one ever has before. I only >> hope to achieve a small fraction of the artist greatness that is Larry >> Coperman, for he is my HERO. >> Dominic Frasca > > good gods man, > > i heard your music and you are a genius. are you just being funny? i'm > not. you do more with a guitar than four people at once. i am my hero > because i am an asshole. besides dominic where did you hear my music? > kevin ain't got any of it. besides, you're pulling my leg. i'm not > pulling yours, you are one of a kind. > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 04:23:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G9Lol04580; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:21:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:21:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <21269EEC-7FFC-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:21:24 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com agreed please please port to mac geoff On 16 Feb 2005, at 05:22, todd reynolds wrote: > Please please please PLEASE port this thing. > > We mac folks need it. Of course I'll try to run it on virtual pc. > > Good job. > > T. > > > > On 2/15/05 12:23 PM, "Jeff Larson" wrote: > >> >> Some of you may recall that about 9 months ago during an embarrassing >> bout of hubris, I announced that I was writing a Windows looping >> application that emulated a Loop IV EDP. It probably comes as no >> surprise that I underestimated how hard that was going to be :-) >> >> But I'm pleased (and relieved) to finally say that a public beta of >> the Mobius looping device is now available. You can find it at >> www.zonemobius.com. It was developed on Windows XP, should run on W2K >> and ME, but might not run on 98. >> >> Mobius is essentially 8 independent stereo EDPs with the ability to >> copy loops and timing between them. Extensive MIDI, computer >> keyboard, and UI button control is provided. Progress through the >> loop is displayed as a horizontal "thermometer" annotated with markers >> that show when quantized functions will occur. Loops (including >> complete layer histories) may be saved to and loaded from files. >> >> I believe there is fairly complete coverage of features except for >> three notable areas: Loop Windowing, Interface Mode, and external >> synchronization. I'm working on loop windowing now. Andy Butler made >> the wise suggestion not to get too fixated on a perfect >> emulation and instead implement features the way they made sense to >> me. I do have an EDP and use it to cross check behavior, but if you >> are an expert you will notice some differences. Most of these are >> discussed in the user's manual. >> >> While anyone is welcome to try it out, it would be best if you already >> have some knowledge of the EDP. For obvious reasons I don't have the >> resources to replicate the EDP manual, the documentation I do have >> is concerned mostly with configuration and how Mobius is different >> than the EDP. This is a true beta, so it's still a little rough >> around the edges. Basic operations should work but as you explore the >> fringes you may find problems. PLEASE report them. >> >> There is no immediate plan for a Mac port or a VST plugin. I am >> finding it easier and more interesting to evolve Mobius as a >> standalone application that can host VST plugins and provide the >> optimized performance features I want, rather than having it be a VST >> plugin and wrestle with host interaction issues. That may change >> once I start exploring Ableton Live, but not for awhile. >> >> I hope some of you find this as entertaining as I do. >> >> Jeff >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 04:41:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G9e7l07876; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:40:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:40:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> References: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <915841AB-7FFE-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:38:52 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just out of curiouisity (I have two macs no pc so can't test software) Have you been able to code the insert functions of the edp? And what processor PC does it need for the operation to be really fast and responsive like an EDP when working with small loops? Cheers geoff On 15 Feb 2005, at 17:23, Jeff Larson wrote: > > Some of you may recall that about 9 months ago during an embarrassing > bout of hubris, I announced that I was writing a Windows looping > application that emulated a Loop IV EDP. It probably comes as no > surprise that I underestimated how hard that was going to be :-) > > But I'm pleased (and relieved) to finally say that a public beta of > the Mobius looping device is now available. You can find it at > www.zonemobius.com. It was developed on Windows XP, should run on W2K > and ME, but might not run on 98. > > Mobius is essentially 8 independent stereo EDPs with the ability to > copy loops and timing between them. Extensive MIDI, computer > keyboard, and UI button control is provided. Progress through the > loop is displayed as a horizontal "thermometer" annotated with markers > that show when quantized functions will occur. Loops (including > complete layer histories) may be saved to and loaded from files. > > I believe there is fairly complete coverage of features except for > three notable areas: Loop Windowing, Interface Mode, and external > synchronization. I'm working on loop windowing now. Andy Butler made > the wise suggestion not to get too fixated on a perfect > emulation and instead implement features the way they made sense to > me. I do have an EDP and use it to cross check behavior, but if you > are an expert you will notice some differences. Most of these are > discussed in the user's manual. > > While anyone is welcome to try it out, it would be best if you already > have some knowledge of the EDP. For obvious reasons I don't have the > resources to replicate the EDP manual, the documentation I do have > is concerned mostly with configuration and how Mobius is different > than the EDP. This is a true beta, so it's still a little rough > around the edges. Basic operations should work but as you explore the > fringes you may find problems. PLEASE report them. > > There is no immediate plan for a Mac port or a VST plugin. I am > finding it easier and more interesting to evolve Mobius as a > standalone application that can host VST plugins and provide the > optimized performance features I want, rather than having it be a VST > plugin and wrestle with host interaction issues. That may change > once I start exploring Ableton Live, but not for awhile. > > I hope some of you find this as entertaining as I do. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 05:00:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1G9x3310811; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:59:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:59:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <4c39d42a21ee9bdd053a605c45080a78@boysen.se> References: <4c39d42a21ee9bdd053a605c45080a78@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <582A3838-8001-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: a usable laptop set-up (audio clip) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:58:44 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per this is an interesting topic, to me as you know I would like to be able to loop with just my laptop. I hope you don't mind if I ask you some questions about your general approach as I have been looking for a musically interesting(to me) and reliable way of looping on a laptop. I have just bought live 4 and so will be checking this myself as I had no results with augustus and logic other than crashes! 1st off love the demo clips, guess thats whats got me writing! You are using Augutus loop in ableton live 4? I see you used multiple example of augustus loop in live i.e. having a 2 channel looper (2 augustus loops) How do you find controlling them with your fcb 1010? any limitations? good working practices you have come accross? i.e. how are you controlling the two different examples of augustus loop, different midi channels....? I love the way you have assigned the pitch to footpedals sounds great. > If you mean the clips I posted, they run two instances of Augustus > Loop; one feeding Pluggo Rye and the other feeding Pluggo Speed > Shifter. And then I was changing the pitch of the two Augustus loopers > from a Behringer pedal while playing. Doing that also changes the > length of the loops, but I like that because it's getting into some > sort or "out-of-meter rhythm". I am assuming from your post that you are changing the pitch of the loop in augustus loop is that correct and if so what are you using for sync settings in augustus? have you got it sync'd to live and if so what happens when you start changing the pitch of loops. Interesting hearing what you said about pluggo stuff I gave up with it in os9 as i wasn't that impressed, it was all a bit too glitchy at that time in my life, will check it again. best dishes geoff On 14 Feb 2005, at 19:37, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Friends, > > When Pluggo 3.5 arrived last week I found two plug-ins that I like > very much. Interestingly they are both marked "by jhno". It seems > Cycling 74 has optimized the code even more with this version (?) > because I'm now able to loop live on just my powerbook using Augustus > Loop and Pluggo under Live 4. Here are two quick improvisations I did > this afternoon: > > http://www.looproom.com/powerbook/ > > I must say I'm very happy with the Pluggo sound! So far I have only > tried it out with a guitar but I will investigate it with other > instruments a.s.a.p. This laptop set-up swallows about 40 percent of > the 1,25 MB powerbook's CPU power. When I'm running the two Augustus > loopers combined with Stylus RMX it goes between 40 an 70 percent, > depending on how many parts of the RMX drums I'm running. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 05:15:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GABuV14136; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 05:11:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 05:11:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2807C0C6-8003-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:11:42 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please let the list know if it works on V.P. although I very much doubt it will. looks great, if it works might have have to buy a pc! As no mac version for a year! cheers geoff On 16 Feb 2005, at 05:22, todd reynolds wrote: > Please please please PLEASE port this thing. > > We mac folks need it. Of course I'll try to run it on virtual pc. > > Good job. > > T. > > > > On 2/15/05 12:23 PM, "Jeff Larson" wrote: > >> >> Some of you may recall that about 9 months ago during an embarrassing >> bout of hubris, I announced that I was writing a Windows looping >> application that emulated a Loop IV EDP. It probably comes as no >> surprise that I underestimated how hard that was going to be :-) >> >> But I'm pleased (and relieved) to finally say that a public beta of >> the Mobius looping device is now available. You can find it at >> www.zonemobius.com. It was developed on Windows XP, should run on W2K >> and ME, but might not run on 98. >> >> Mobius is essentially 8 independent stereo EDPs with the ability to >> copy loops and timing between them. Extensive MIDI, computer >> keyboard, and UI button control is provided. Progress through the >> loop is displayed as a horizontal "thermometer" annotated with markers >> that show when quantized functions will occur. Loops (including >> complete layer histories) may be saved to and loaded from files. >> >> I believe there is fairly complete coverage of features except for >> three notable areas: Loop Windowing, Interface Mode, and external >> synchronization. I'm working on loop windowing now. Andy Butler made >> the wise suggestion not to get too fixated on a perfect >> emulation and instead implement features the way they made sense to >> me. I do have an EDP and use it to cross check behavior, but if you >> are an expert you will notice some differences. Most of these are >> discussed in the user's manual. >> >> While anyone is welcome to try it out, it would be best if you already >> have some knowledge of the EDP. For obvious reasons I don't have the >> resources to replicate the EDP manual, the documentation I do have >> is concerned mostly with configuration and how Mobius is different >> than the EDP. This is a true beta, so it's still a little rough >> around the edges. Basic operations should work but as you explore the >> fringes you may find problems. PLEASE report them. >> >> There is no immediate plan for a Mac port or a VST plugin. I am >> finding it easier and more interesting to evolve Mobius as a >> standalone application that can host VST plugins and provide the >> optimized performance features I want, rather than having it be a VST >> plugin and wrestle with host interaction issues. That may change >> once I start exploring Ableton Live, but not for awhile. >> >> I hope some of you find this as entertaining as I do. >> >> Jeff >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 08:04:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GCxI405998; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:59:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:59:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <21269EEC-7FFC-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> References: <21269EEC-7FFC-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4cc2fcdfda6dbc5d6e77de2425723454@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:58:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9jucYD.A.AGB.NO0ECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> On 2/15/05 12:23 PM, "Jeff Larson" wrote: >> ......8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ...... >>> .... user's manual. ......8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ...... Jeff, Is the manual available somewhere? I have no Windows machine handy, but reading the manual would be interesting. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 08:08:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GD7AY07099; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:07:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:07:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502161306.j1GD6kS06965@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius Manual Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:06:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 thread-index: AcUUJ7rJu5/yBqGuTwKac8I4gqwbLQAAIHGQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <4cc2fcdfda6dbc5d6e77de2425723454@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The link is down toward the bottom of the page http://www.zonemobius.com/mobiusdoc.htm -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available >> On 2/15/05 12:23 PM, "Jeff Larson" wrote: >> ......8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ...... >>> .... user's manual. ......8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ...... Jeff, Is the manual available somewhere? I have no Windows machine handy, but reading the manual would be interesting. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 08:37:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GDb1411496; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:37:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:37:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <582A3838-8001-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> References: <4c39d42a21ee9bdd053a605c45080a78@boysen.se> <582A3838-8001-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <87d96dc99d02a888310ec38306dc4e22@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: a usable laptop set-up (audio clip) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:36:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 16, 2005, at 10:58, geoff smith wrote: > Hi Per this is an interesting topic, to me as you know I would like to > be able to loop with just my laptop. Yes, that's very handy. Now the FCB1010 foot pedal board is taking up the most space of my backpack ;-) > 1st off love the demo clips, guess thats whats got me writing! Thnx. Posted a third clip today. It's called "major_90bpm2_4_eva.mp3" and use very little "loop freezing". Most of what you hear are two Augustus Loopers running like tape delays through two Pluggos. > You are using Augutus loop in ableton live 4? Yes. Same thing could be done with Numerology as the host, but I love the reverb plug-in of Live 4. Especially the Freeze Reverb when set to the lowest resolution. It's funny that the highest resolution doesn't sound better when playing live through the thing. I keep a midi pedal (normal synt sustain pedal) to freeze or unfreeze the reverb. The demo clips were all recorded with the reverb in freeze mode all the time. I like that sound. Sounds like fog over a lake :-) > I see you used multiple example of augustus loop in live i.e. having a > 2 channel looper (2 augustus loops) > How do you find controlling them with your fcb 1010? any limitations? > good working practices you have come accross? i.e. how are you > controlling the two different examples of augustus loop, different > midi channels....? The two expression pedals control feedback for each of the two Augustus Loopers. Button 9 and 10 toggle the "Freeze Loop" function of the both loopers. > I love the way you have assigned the pitch to footpedals sounds great. The rest of the FCB buttons (8 buttons) toggle clips in Live 4 that send pitch control data to the loopers (midi notes on midi channel 2). That gives both loops are transposed equally on the next bar (globally quantizing Live 4 action to bar). So from one foot pedal bank I can instantly reach 8 different pitches, one of them being an octave. I have only set up one bank but my plan for upcoming gigs is to keep two or three banks, each of them only differing in the pitch transposition assigned to those 8 pedals. Always keeping the octave handy but the rest laid out for "minor", "major" or certain scales. However the key, scales and chord changes available from the buttons are dependent on which one of the foot buttons you decide on for the root of the key. So it's actually rather flexible. > I am assuming from your post that you are changing the pitch of the > loop in augustus loop is that correct and if so what are you using for > sync settings in augustus? Host sync enabled in Augustus. I have also assigned the Tap Tempo button of my POD 1 amp simulator to Live's Tap Tempo function. This way I'm automatically setting POD effects to the same tempo as Live and the loopers. (but so far I have not found any use for the POD's effects, except for distortion when playing a guitar through it. For saxophone or voice I like a clean sound with just the speaker simulation.) > have you got it sync'd to live and if so what happens when you start > changing the pitch of loops. The timing of the loops get fucked up as soon as I transpose them. You can hear that in the audio clips. But I don't mind. If you play with it you will adapt to it and it becomes part of "the instrument". Some interesting poly rhythm effects can happen, like when going into a higher pitch the loops speed up. You might view this as a limitation, but I don't. When I'm looping with just the EDP I tend to go for more exact rhythmic relations both in my playing and instant composing. It's just different. > Interesting hearing what you said about pluggo stuff I gave up with it > in os9 Well, I never had os9 so I can't compare. All I know is that I like some aspects of the Pluggo 3.5 very much. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen the clips discussed are posted at www.looproom.com/powerbook From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 09:43:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GEdRE23380; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:39:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:39:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:43:05 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available In-Reply-To: <21269EEC-7FFC-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <21269EEC-7FFC-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, geoff smith wrote: > agreed > please please port to mac +1 to the request for OS X porting. thanks, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > geoff > On 16 Feb 2005, at 05:22, todd reynolds wrote: > > > Please please please PLEASE port this thing. > > > > We mac folks need it. Of course I'll try to run it on virtual pc. > > > > Good job. > > > > T. > > > > > > > > On 2/15/05 12:23 PM, "Jeff Larson" wrote: > > > >> > >> Some of you may recall that about 9 months ago during an embarrassing > >> bout of hubris, I announced that I was writing a Windows looping > >> application that emulated a Loop IV EDP. It probably comes as no > >> surprise that I underestimated how hard that was going to be :-) > >> > >> But I'm pleased (and relieved) to finally say that a public beta of > >> the Mobius looping device is now available. You can find it at > >> www.zonemobius.com. It was developed on Windows XP, should run on W2K > >> and ME, but might not run on 98. > >> > >> Mobius is essentially 8 independent stereo EDPs with the ability to > >> copy loops and timing between them. Extensive MIDI, computer > >> keyboard, and UI button control is provided. Progress through the > >> loop is displayed as a horizontal "thermometer" annotated with markers > >> that show when quantized functions will occur. Loops (including > >> complete layer histories) may be saved to and loaded from files. > >> > >> I believe there is fairly complete coverage of features except for > >> three notable areas: Loop Windowing, Interface Mode, and external > >> synchronization. I'm working on loop windowing now. Andy Butler made > >> the wise suggestion not to get too fixated on a perfect > >> emulation and instead implement features the way they made sense to > >> me. I do have an EDP and use it to cross check behavior, but if you > >> are an expert you will notice some differences. Most of these are > >> discussed in the user's manual. > >> > >> While anyone is welcome to try it out, it would be best if you already > >> have some knowledge of the EDP. For obvious reasons I don't have the > >> resources to replicate the EDP manual, the documentation I do have > >> is concerned mostly with configuration and how Mobius is different > >> than the EDP. This is a true beta, so it's still a little rough > >> around the edges. Basic operations should work but as you explore the > >> fringes you may find problems. PLEASE report them. > >> > >> There is no immediate plan for a Mac port or a VST plugin. I am > >> finding it easier and more interesting to evolve Mobius as a > >> standalone application that can host VST plugins and provide the > >> optimized performance features I want, rather than having it be a VST > >> plugin and wrestle with host interaction issues. That may change > >> once I start exploring Ableton Live, but not for awhile. > >> > >> I hope some of you find this as entertaining as I do. > >> > >> Jeff > >> > > > > > > -- Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/ System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 09:58:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GEu6b27188; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:56:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:56:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <21269EEC-7FFC-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:55:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <6XN04.A.unG.171ECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com + ME OSX REQ Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-02-16 kl. 15.43 burnett@pobox.com: wrote > On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, geoff smith wrote: > >> agreed >> please please port to mac > > +1 to the request for OS X porting. > > thanks, > Steve B > Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > >> geoff >> On 16 Feb 2005, at 05:22, todd reynolds wrote: >> >>> Please please please PLEASE port this thing. >>> >>> We mac folks need it. Of course I'll try to run it on virtual pc. >>> >>> Good job. >>> >>> T. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/15/05 12:23 PM, "Jeff Larson" wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Some of you may recall that about 9 months ago during an >>>> embarrassing >>>> bout of hubris, I announced that I was writing a Windows looping >>>> application that emulated a Loop IV EDP. It probably comes as no >>>> surprise that I underestimated how hard that was going to be :-) >>>> >>>> But I'm pleased (and relieved) to finally say that a public beta of >>>> the Mobius looping device is now available. You can find it at >>>> www.zonemobius.com. It was developed on Windows XP, should run on >>>> W2K >>>> and ME, but might not run on 98. >>>> >>>> Mobius is essentially 8 independent stereo EDPs with the ability to >>>> copy loops and timing between them. Extensive MIDI, computer >>>> keyboard, and UI button control is provided. Progress through the >>>> loop is displayed as a horizontal "thermometer" annotated with >>>> markers >>>> that show when quantized functions will occur. Loops (including >>>> complete layer histories) may be saved to and loaded from files. >>>> >>>> I believe there is fairly complete coverage of features except for >>>> three notable areas: Loop Windowing, Interface Mode, and external >>>> synchronization. I'm working on loop windowing now. Andy Butler >>>> made >>>> the wise suggestion not to get too fixated on a perfect >>>> emulation and instead implement features the way they made sense to >>>> me. I do have an EDP and use it to cross check behavior, but if you >>>> are an expert you will notice some differences. Most of these are >>>> discussed in the user's manual. >>>> >>>> While anyone is welcome to try it out, it would be best if you >>>> already >>>> have some knowledge of the EDP. For obvious reasons I don't have >>>> the >>>> resources to replicate the EDP manual, the documentation I do have >>>> is concerned mostly with configuration and how Mobius is different >>>> than the EDP. This is a true beta, so it's still a little rough >>>> around the edges. Basic operations should work but as you explore >>>> the >>>> fringes you may find problems. PLEASE report them. >>>> >>>> There is no immediate plan for a Mac port or a VST plugin. I am >>>> finding it easier and more interesting to evolve Mobius as a >>>> standalone application that can host VST plugins and provide the >>>> optimized performance features I want, rather than having it be a >>>> VST >>>> plugin and wrestle with host interaction issues. That may change >>>> once I start exploring Ableton Live, but not for awhile. >>>> >>>> I hope some of you find this as entertaining as I do. >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/ > System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 10:13:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GF9xJ31482; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:09:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:09:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502161509.j1GF9XS31246@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: [LOOP] Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:09:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 thread-index: AcUUN7rRzs+necTDQRGwXG5ZXTmscAAAJKIw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <13b4cB.A.foH.tI2ECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah loves the Win32 version :) The next track feature is nifty and a heck of a lot cheaper then owning (and hauling) eight EDP's, wo... -----Original Message----- From: Gunnar Backman [mailto:brakophonic@telia.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available + ME OSX REQ Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-02-16 kl. 15.43 burnett@pobox.com: wrote > On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, geoff smith wrote: > >> agreed >> please please port to mac > > +1 to the request for OS X porting. > > thanks, > Steve B > Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > >> geoff >> On 16 Feb 2005, at 05:22, todd reynolds wrote: >> >>> Please please please PLEASE port this thing. >>> >>> We mac folks need it. Of course I'll try to run it on virtual pc. >>> >>> Good job. >>> >>> T. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/15/05 12:23 PM, "Jeff Larson" wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Some of you may recall that about 9 months ago during an >>>> embarrassing bout of hubris, I announced that I was writing a >>>> Windows looping application that emulated a Loop IV EDP. It >>>> probably comes as no surprise that I underestimated how hard that >>>> was going to be :-) >>>> >>>> But I'm pleased (and relieved) to finally say that a public beta of >>>> the Mobius looping device is now available. You can find it at >>>> www.zonemobius.com. It was developed on Windows XP, should run on >>>> W2K and ME, but might not run on 98. >>>> >>>> Mobius is essentially 8 independent stereo EDPs with the ability to >>>> copy loops and timing between them. Extensive MIDI, computer >>>> keyboard, and UI button control is provided. Progress through the >>>> loop is displayed as a horizontal "thermometer" annotated with >>>> markers that show when quantized functions will occur. Loops >>>> (including complete layer histories) may be saved to and loaded >>>> from files. >>>> >>>> I believe there is fairly complete coverage of features except for >>>> three notable areas: Loop Windowing, Interface Mode, and external >>>> synchronization. I'm working on loop windowing now. Andy Butler >>>> made the wise suggestion not to get too fixated on a perfect >>>> emulation and instead implement features the way they made sense to >>>> me. I do have an EDP and use it to cross check behavior, but if >>>> you are an expert you will notice some differences. Most of these >>>> are discussed in the user's manual. >>>> >>>> While anyone is welcome to try it out, it would be best if you >>>> already have some knowledge of the EDP. For obvious reasons I >>>> don't have the resources to replicate the EDP manual, the >>>> documentation I do have is concerned mostly with configuration and >>>> how Mobius is different than the EDP. This is a true beta, so it's >>>> still a little rough around the edges. Basic operations should >>>> work but as you explore the fringes you may find problems. PLEASE >>>> report them. >>>> >>>> There is no immediate plan for a Mac port or a VST plugin. I am >>>> finding it easier and more interesting to evolve Mobius as a >>>> standalone application that can host VST plugins and provide the >>>> optimized performance features I want, rather than having it be a >>>> VST plugin and wrestle with host interaction issues. That may >>>> change once I start exploring Ableton Live, but not for awhile. >>>> >>>> I hope some of you find this as entertaining as I do. >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/ > System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 10:24:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GFMKa00607; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:22:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:22:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421364CF.3070600@biink.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:20:47 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (perhaps a different angle on the thread.) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com todd reynolds wrote: >3. a few of our heartiest contributors and committed musicians have left >the list because there is so much less music discussion than there is flame >or gear-speak. > > Is it a gear oriented list. That's no reason to leave it. I do have a problem with this little flame war, but I don't think I'll be leaving the list anytime soon. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 11:08:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GG4Ba07484; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:04:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:04:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <141.3faae23f.2f44c89c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:02:36 EST Subject: ZURICH LOOPFEST To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_141.3faae23f.2f44c89c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_141.3faae23f.2f44c89c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ola to all EUROLOOPERKINDERN!.....i REALLY want to come to this fest and meet and perhaps play with you cats but here is a problem that i face: to fly to ZURICH the cost is apx $1000. yet in my sunday newspaper they list flights to FRANKFURT for $450.....my funds are very limited yet i would like to spend about 2 weeks in EUROPE, i have never been there and i doubt that this chance will come again.....what can i do?.....i am looking for suggestions, i'm pretty much open to anything.....the CALILOOPERKINDERN will tell you that i am somewhat well behaved and even housebroken!.....:).....right now i'm looking for ideas (places to stay, gigs to play).....if nothing comes of this, i will just try to get to ZURICH and drive BERNHARD crazy.....:).....please respond off list for i will be very embarassed if everyone tells me to stay home!.....:).....tanks!.....michael --part1_141.3faae23f.2f44c89c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ola to all EUROLOOPERKINDERN!.....i REALLY wan= t to come to this fest and meet and perhaps play with you cats but here is a= problem that i face: to fly to ZURICH the cost is apx $1000. yet in my sund= ay newspaper they list flights to FRANKFURT for $450.....my funds are very l= imited yet i would like to spend about 2 weeks in EUROPE, i have never been=20= there and i doubt that this chance will come again.....what can i do?.....i=20= am looking for suggestions, i'm pretty much open to anything.....the CALILOO= PERKINDERN will tell you that i am somewhat well behaved and even housebroke= n!.....:).....right now i'm looking for ideas (places to stay, gigs to play)= .....if nothing comes of this, i will just try to get to ZURICH and drive BE= RNHARD crazy.....:).....please respond off list for i will be very embarasse= d if everyone tells me to stay home!.....:).....tanks!.....michael --part1_141.3faae23f.2f44c89c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 11:15:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GGCoD09037; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:12:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:12:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c51442$25cb6190$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200502152013.j1FKD1W28436@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Holy crap Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:10:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, Stupid email server was down for 3 days. Erg. I'm not sure if I should apologize for starting a flame-war, or take credit for a few days of entertainment! :) As I've told a few of you offlist, I appreciate all the comments. ALL of them. Everybody has a different perspective and if I didn't want to hear it, I would not have asked. The reaction of "I didn't like this about it" is better than no reaction at all. No reaction means it had no effect, and we are going for effect, right? Does it make you feel good? scared? annoyed? did it do something? A few comments on the comments. Yes, it is a bit busy and doesn't fit into the 'ambient' mold. I probably shouldn't have used that term. Ah well, live and learn. It is what it is. It's experimental, it's improv, it noise, it's sound, it's playing with the tools. It's throwing sound at the canvas and seeing what sticks. My mom said it was like Jackson Pollock's splatter paintings, only in sound. I'm not sure I'm confortable being compared to him, but hey, if she wants to give me a complement, who am I to complain! And yes to the preset/general midi feel to some of the sounds. Much of what I'm trying now is playing with the synths and effects and seeing what I can do with the tools at hand. Presets are a place to start, and since I'm using 10+ year old synths, those sounds are old hat to many of you. On the other hand, I LIKE some of those presets! In the same way I still love the sound of a Les Paul cranked straight through a Marshall. ya know? Kudo's to Kris for hitting the nail on the head as far as the inspiration goes. Much of the feel of what I've been trying to do lately revolves around the passing of my grandfather who was a potter and abstract artist. He also LOVED astronomy and so, I'm trying to bind those influences into my music. He very much believed in breaking the rules when it came to art. Ironic though, that he didn't like much music besides classical. He firmly believed that the tools were merely a means to an end. They are very important in that they are necessary to create the art, but the point isn't the tool, it's the art. He constantly experimented with clay, glaze, color, shape, texture.... For me, music is very much the same, we have to experiment, absorb, listen, learn, read, play, all in order to be able to create what we hear in our heads. In the end it's all just vibrations. I don't really care how I got there, as long as I got there and the trip was interesting. But, knowing how to use the tools I have is necessary in being able to get where I'm going. Thanks again, Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 11:17:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GGDt109383; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:13:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:13:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <4cc2fcdfda6dbc5d6e77de2425723454@boysen.se> References: <21269EEC-7FFC-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> <4cc2fcdfda6dbc5d6e77de2425723454@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:13:31 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com read the manual, sounds wonderfull wonder how it works, as I have yet to find a software looper that responds like hardware (edp). But damn am i looking! geoff On 16 Feb 2005, at 12:58, Per Boysen wrote: >>> On 2/15/05 12:23 PM, "Jeff Larson" wrote: >>> > ......8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ...... >>>> .... user's manual. > ......8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ...... > > Jeff, > > Is the manual available somewhere? I have no Windows machine handy, > but reading the manual would be interesting. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 11:44:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GGegO13970; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:40:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:40:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421377F1.2070805@sep.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:42:25 -0500 From: Tom Combs User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Holy crap References: <200502152013.j1FKD1W28436@hemlock.violacea.com> <003f01c51442$25cb6190$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> In-Reply-To: <003f01c51442$25cb6190$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5sojoD.A.zYD.vd3ECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I listened to it. What follows is my opinion, not a judgement (for fear of fanning the flames)... I think it's really good that you provided a context so we know where you're coming from. A lot of musical impact comes from the environment or frame of mind in which it was listened. I listened to it from an ambient standpoint, through headphones while trying to get some work done. It was kind of tough to concentrate on what I was working on because the sounds were constantly changing. In my opinion, ambient music doesn't distract you from your tasks. Instead ambient enhances the environment (again, my opinion). But...you said that "ambient" was the wrong mold in which to cast it. From an abstract, splatter painting perspective, I think your music is very nice. The sound was very full and rich. I suppose an analogy would be a collection of rich, vivid colors. Quite pleasing to the eye. In your case, quite pleasing to the ear. I mentioned that the sounds were constantly changing...that kept me listening, wondering where things will go next (which explains why I was distracted from my work). In that context, it sounds like your creation is exactly what you set out to create - and it's a very nice creation. Great work! Tom Tony K wrote: > Hey all, > > Stupid email server was down for 3 days. Erg. > > I'm not sure if I should apologize for starting a flame-war, or take > credit for a few days of entertainment! :) > > As I've told a few of you offlist, I appreciate all the comments. ALL > of them. Everybody has a different perspective and if I didn't want to > hear it, I would not have asked. The reaction of "I didn't like this > about it" is better than no reaction at all. No reaction means it had > no effect, and we are going for effect, right? Does it make you feel > good? scared? annoyed? did it do something? > > A few comments on the comments. > > Yes, it is a bit busy and doesn't fit into the 'ambient' mold. I > probably shouldn't have used that term. Ah well, live and learn. It is > what it is. It's experimental, it's improv, it noise, it's sound, it's > playing with the tools. It's throwing sound at the canvas and seeing > what sticks. My mom said it was like Jackson Pollock's splatter > paintings, only in sound. I'm not sure I'm confortable being compared > to him, but hey, if she wants to give me a complement, who am I to > complain! > > And yes to the preset/general midi feel to some of the sounds. Much of > what I'm trying now is playing with the synths and effects and seeing > what I can do with the tools at hand. Presets are a place to start, and > since I'm using 10+ year old synths, those sounds are old hat to many of > you. On the other hand, I LIKE some of those presets! In the same way > I still love the sound of a Les Paul cranked straight through a > Marshall. ya know? > > Kudo's to Kris for hitting the nail on the head as far as the > inspiration goes. Much of the feel of what I've been trying to do > lately revolves around the passing of my grandfather who was a potter > and abstract artist. He also LOVED astronomy and so, I'm trying to bind > those influences into my music. He very much believed in breaking the > rules when it came to art. Ironic though, that he didn't like much music > besides classical. He firmly believed that the tools were merely a > means to an end. They are very important in that they are necessary to > create the art, but the point isn't the tool, it's the art. He > constantly experimented with clay, glaze, color, shape, texture.... For > me, music is very much the same, we have to experiment, absorb, listen, > learn, read, play, all in order to be able to create what we hear in our > heads. In the end it's all just vibrations. I don't really care how I > got there, as long as I got there and the trip was interesting. But, > knowing how to use the tools I have is necessary in being able to get > where I'm going. > > Thanks again, > Tony > -- Tom Combs SEP, Inc. 11611 N Meridian Street Suite 800 Carmel, IN 46032 (317) 843-1640 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 11:45:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GGgBm14519; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:42:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:42:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502161641.j1GGfjS14203@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius Rocks! Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:41:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 thread-index: AcUUQowNNDDrtZ4GSMGo+dTifYtq+QAAOo1A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <_jrSSD.A.MeD.Jf3ECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It works amazingly well Jeffs manual is absolutely and brutally honest in it's description where he says it's currently lacking it ends up being 100% accurate. I have found few descriptions/manuals that have described features and functions as well as he did. As to hardware/software latencies well it really depends on your gear and your setup. My setup was originally optimized to do PC Audio but, since nothing I installed impressed me enough to continue I reconfigured it for other tasks and it runs very well even under those circumstances. It responds very quickly to my FCB1010 controller and I can compare it to my Last of the Beigeface models with Loop IV installed and I would say it is awesome. I still have to get used to using the extended features as it emulates multiple EDP's and I only have one hardware EDP. All I can say for now is if you can and are setup for PC/Windows Audio you should check this one out for sure. Hopefully you do have some sort of MIDI foot controller otherwise you won't get much out of demoing this product. -----Original Message----- From: geoff smith [mailto:looper@bluecocoa.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 11:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Mobius Technological Enslavement Device is now available read the manual, sounds wonderfull wonder how it works, as I have yet to find a software looper that responds like hardware (edp). But damn am i looking! geoff On 16 Feb 2005, at 12:58, Per Boysen wrote: >>> On 2/15/05 12:23 PM, "Jeff Larson" wrote: >>> > ......8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ...... >>>> .... user's manual. > ......8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ...... > > Jeff, > > Is the manual available somewhere? I have no Windows machine handy, > but reading the manual would be interesting. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish > site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 11:48:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GGfoO14354; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:41:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:41:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FnL6S5Q5nv84vcnFUP33OLYgi8ju+7dTPIktI0hoLQgn8heVFWTPoyhG6UhBUUAs4lHkbtO4hVxy9D8fZoH890wtol4zDNkBuWRD4XZs/qxHwdIRB8DXbInltcBmvd9is8B/kAjU3Pono49kpzsv3kyeL7cbTt+nN1Z/9rxZqCQ= Message-ID: <588ce11d05021608405e8fa2ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:40:10 -0800 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Sony MZNHF800 Net MD Walkman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, This may be of interest as there was a bit of discussion (both pro and con) on where to buy an inexpensive Minidisc recorder. The Sony MZNHF800 Net MD Walkman (with mic input) is on sale at Tweeter's for $199: http://www.tweeter.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1781237 I don't have any experience with this unit (I'm very happy with my Sharp), but it might be of interest to some people. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 12:06:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GH1a519605; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:01:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:01:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:59:42 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re:Mobius system requirements In-reply-to: <915841AB-7FFE-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42137BFE.5050304@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> <915841AB-7FFE-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <2-rJGD.A.5qE.Aw3ECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com geoff smith wrote: > Just out of curiouisity (I have two macs no pc so can't test software) > Have you been able to code the insert functions of the edp? Yes, with a few exceptions. A long press of Insert is supposed to perform a Replace, but it doesn't. When in a loop with SamplerStyle=Once, Insert is supposed to retrigger the current loop but leave the return transition. Currently, Insert cancels the return and begins inserting in the current loop. My interpretation of how Rehearse mode behaves seems to be a bit different than the EDP. But otherwise all of the basic Insert functionality should be there. > And what processor PC does it need for the operation to be really fast > and responsive like an EDP when working with small loops? The loop size shouldn't make much difference, it does about the same amount of work whether the loop is 1/10th of a second or an hour. The smallest loop you can have is determined by the latency caused by the sound card. For a card with ASIO drivers, this would be around 20 milliseconds. The most critical factor in making Mobius feel responsive is to get a good sound card with ASIO drivers. It is still quite usable without ASIO drivers but some things, like loop triggering, won't feel as "tight". I haven't really tried to find the minimum acceptable CPU. I have a 2Ghz Pentium III and haven't noticed any stress. I'm guessing 1Ghz or better would be fine. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 12:11:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GH7qO20913; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:07:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:07:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <12b.56ded752.2f44d7ba@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:07:06 EST Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12b.56ded752.2f44d7ba_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12b.56ded752.2f44d7ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, Pardon the intrusion. Let me add my 2 cents. Michael Klobuchar is a musical genius!!! And, personally speaking, one of my real-world guitar heroes. No joke!!! He is also a really pleasant guy to hang out with . . . and funny too. Please help him get to Zurich. You won't regret it. Heck Michael, I'd send a $50 donation to your travel fund if you like -- just knowing what a chance this'd be for you. Promise you'll go! Best, Ted Killian In a message dated 02/16/05 8:03:17, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > ola to all EUROLOOPERKINDERN!.....i REALLY want to come to this fest and > meet and perhaps play with you cats but here is a problem that i face: to fly > to ZURICH the cost is apx $1000. yet in my sunday newspaper they list flights > to FRANKFURT for $450.....my funds are very limited yet i would like to spend > about 2 weeks in EUROPE, i have never been there and i doubt that this > chance will come again.....what can i do?.....i am looking for suggestions, i'm > pretty much open to anything.....the CALILOOPERKINDERN will tell you that i am > somewhat well behaved and even housebroken!.....:).....right now i'm looking > for ideas (places to stay, gigs to play).....if nothing comes of this, i will > just try to get to ZURICH and drive BERNHARD crazy.....:).....please respond > off list for i will be very embarassed if everyone tells me to stay > home!.....:).....tanks!.....michael > --part1_12b.56ded752.2f44d7ba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,

Pardon the intrusion. Let me add my 2 cents. Michael Klobuchar is a musical=20= genius!!! And, personally speaking, one of my real-world guitar heroes. No j= oke!!! He is also a really pleasant guy to hang out with . . . and funny too= . Please help him get to Zurich. You won't regret it. Heck Michael, I'd send= a $50 donation to your travel fund if you like -- just knowing what a chanc= e this'd be for you. Promise you'll go!

Best,

Ted Killian

In a message dated 02/16/05 8:03:17, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:

ola to all EUROLOOPER= KINDERN!.....i REALLY want to come to this fest and meet and perhaps play wi= th you cats but here is a problem that i face: to fly to ZURICH the cost is=20= apx $1000. yet in my sunday newspaper they list flights to FRANKFURT for $45= 0.....my funds are very limited yet i would like to spend about 2 weeks in E= UROPE, i have never been there and i doubt that this chance will come again.= ....what can i do?.....i am looking for suggestions, i'm pretty much open to= anything.....the CALILOOPERKINDERN will tell you that i am somewhat well be= haved and even housebroken!.....:).....right now i'm looking for ideas (plac= es to stay, gigs to play).....if nothing comes of this, i will just try to g= et to ZURICH and drive BERNHARD crazy.....:).....please respond off list for= i will be very embarassed if everyone tells me to stay home!.....:).....tan= ks!.....michael
--part1_12b.56ded752.2f44d7ba_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 12:37:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GHVVI24930; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:31:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:31:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <12b.56ded752.2f44d7ba@aol.com> References: <12b.56ded752.2f44d7ba@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--728847938 Message-Id: <0254ab86eae1465e7f75090aa04ad3e3@newmillguitar.com> From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:27:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609f990bbcb49bd8ca585ee1a755310efa43ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--728847938 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Feb 16, 2005, at 9:07 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > Hi there, > > Pardon the intrusion. Let me add my 2 cents. Michael Klobuchar is a > musical genius!!! And, personally speaking, one of my real-world > guitar heroes. No joke!!! He is also a really pleasant guy to hang out > with . . . and funny too. Please help him get to Zurich. You won't > regret it. Heck Michael, I'd send a $50 donation to your travel fund > if you like -- just knowing what a chance this'd be for you. Promise > you'll go! > > Best, > > Ted Killian oh shit, how much does he need and how can i get it to him? he owes me a cd, if he doesn't know the proper protocols. hey i'm around and not using capital letters. any of you assholes want a piece of me? peace train, stickerman Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com --Apple-Mail-1--728847938 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Feb 16, 2005, at 9:07 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: Geneva Hi there, Geneva Pardon the intrusion. Let me add my 2 cents. Michael Klobuchar is a musical genius!!! And, personally speaking, one of my real-world guitar heroes. No joke!!! He is also a really pleasant guy to hang out with . . . and funny too. Please help him get to Zurich. You won't regret it. Heck Michael, I'd send a $50 donation to your travel fund if you like -- just knowing what a chance this'd be for you. Promise you'll go! Geneva Best, Geneva Ted Killian oh shit, how much does he need and how can i get it to him? he owes me a cd, if he doesn't know the proper protocols. hey i'm around and not using capital letters. any of you assholes want a piece of me? peace train, stickerman Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com --Apple-Mail-1--728847938-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 12:49:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GHjUu27369; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:45:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:45:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15c.4a501d5a.2f44e076@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:44:22 EST Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15c.4a501d5a.2f44e076_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <9TcW3B.A.hpG.Ha4ECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15c.4a501d5a.2f44e076_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ted.....your praise is very nice albeit misdirected.....matt davignon is a musical genius i am but a worm.....:).....thank you!.....if everyone sent me $50. i would buy LOOPER ISLAND and we all could live there loopilly ever after.....larry!....big thank you also.....i'll send you mine if you send me yours.....get me you mailing address.....THANKS.....michael --part1_15c.4a501d5a.2f44e076_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ted.....your praise is very nice albeit misdir= ected.....matt davignon is a musical genius i  am but a worm.....:)...= ..thank you!.....if everyone sent me $50. i would buy LOOPER ISLAND and we a= ll could live there loopilly ever after.....larry!....big thank you also....= .i'll send you mine if you send me yours.....get me you mailing address.....= THANKS.....michael --part1_15c.4a501d5a.2f44e076_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 13:09:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GI6cI32529; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:06:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:06:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: (perhaps a different angle on the thread.) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:05:49 -0700 Message-ID: <016701c51452$26ef2dd0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <421364CF.3070600@biink.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 86, in=180, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sort of equate flame wars on user groups like this to the radio or watching TV. Folks complain that there is music or TV programs that offend them or that they don't like. But of course, if you don't like what you hear or see, there is this thing...I think it is called a "dial" which alleviates the annoyance and mental pain....that being the delete key on the computer....all in all it take about 1 second for me to recognize the offending email or thread and delete it. The only issue I can see that this thread is being captured on the LP archive site. That's a lot of irrelevant bullshit to capture for the entire freakin' world to see on the World Wide Web. Based on some of the responses I've seen, and jabs back and forth, I'd personally be a bit embarrassed that my thoughts were captured on an archive. I've been there, and I've always regretted having my asinine banter posted on the web for eternity, especially if I was directly or indirectly insulting another human being. Big brother is watching you... :) Heh heh... Hopefully you haven't read this far, and you've delete the message. K- -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 8:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (perhaps a different angle on the thread.) todd reynolds wrote: >3. a few of our heartiest contributors and committed musicians have >left the list because there is so much less music discussion than there >is flame or gear-speak. > > Is it a gear oriented list. That's no reason to leave it. I do have a problem with this little flame war, but I don't think I'll be leaving the list anytime soon. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 13:16:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GIDXn02341; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:13:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:13:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aubreylande@aol.com Message-ID: <199.38f06068.2f44e72c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:13:00 EST Subject: unsubscribe To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1108577580" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1108577580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -------------------------------1108577580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 -------------------------------1108577580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 13:20:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GIH4m03044; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:17:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:17:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c51453$85c330d0$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: people opinion of people Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:11:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" > Didn't the musician-who-was-criticized request "brutal honesty" in the > feedback? Yep, I did. And that's what I expected. I didn't take it as bad criticism. I look at it as another take on what I did. I want to know how people reacted to it. Can I make it better, what did you like, what didn't you? As I said before, no reaction means no interest. Asking other musicians for critiques has different expectations from asking your mom, or a music critic, or the dog. I don't think we can really help making comments about how WE would make something different to please our own sensibilities. Good or bad, that is the way of it. I asked loopers/ambient/soundscape artists for their feelings about my loopy/soundscape art, and got what I expected. Had I posted it to the mixmasters list where we talk about recording techniques and mixing, I'd expected to have gotten reponses about how I overdrove the input and cause clipping and distortion. > When you ask for that from strangers, you might get something that's a > little heavy on the "brutal" aspect, although I don't remember the > response that triggered all this to having been brutal or cruel. It may > have been unfounded or inconsiderate, or it may have just been an honest > opinion. I haven't gotten the impression that the recipient is weeping in > his room, forever scarred by what's been said. Ha! Not hardly. I'm my own worst critic. I'm still perpetually fascinated that others like my work. > When you decide to take your music out before the public, that's the risk > you take. Some people will tell you it sucks and that you suck, some will > jeer openly or write Pitchfork-eque review and some may be so put off by > it they won't even say anything for seven months. As a public musician > one needs to have thicker skin then the average person. Much thicker. If > I had a nickel for every demo or booking letter that I've sent out which > never garnered any response despite multiple follow ups, I'd be a rich > man. I've played music (or well, at least attempted) since I was 8. Yeah, thick skin comes with the territory. I'm still nervous about putting myself up for discussion, but how else will I get feedback? I do find the variety of reactions really interesting. It just shows the range of interests of the people in the group. And I will happily throw more stuff out there for anybody to listen to and comment on. Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 13:27:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GILui04487; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:21:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:21:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42138F1E.1070709@biink.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:21:18 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: people opinion of people References: <008c01c51453$85c330d0$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> In-Reply-To: <008c01c51453$85c330d0$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tony K wrote: > I've played music (or well, at least attempted) since I was 8. Yeah, > thick skin comes with the territory. I'm still nervous about putting > myself up for discussion, but how else will I get feedback? Gig? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 13:47:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GIjLX08518; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:45:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:45:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <104.5ae7f467.2f44ee9a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:44:42 EST Subject: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_104.5ae7f467.2f44ee9a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_104.5ae7f467.2f44ee9a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Now for something completely different -- but still apropos methinks. This was sent to me by my friend (and one of my favorite drummers=20 in SoCal) Dr. Bob Sterling -- some months ago. I dig it out now for what I think should be obvious reasons. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ *Yogi Berra Explains Jazz* Interviewer: Can you explain jazz? Yogi: I can't, but I will. 90% of all jazz is half improvisation. The other=20 half is the part people play while others are playing something they=20 never played with anyone who played that part. So if you play the=20 wrong part, it's right. If you play the right part, it might be right if you= =20 play it wrong enough. But if you play it too right, it's wrong. Interviewer: I don't understand. Yogi: Anyone who understands jazz knows that you can't understand=20 it. It's too complicated. That's what's so simple about it. Interviewer: Do you understand it? Yogi: No. That's why I can explain it. If I understood it, I wouldn't know=20 anything about it. Interviewer: Are there any great jazz players alive today? Yogi: No. All the great jazz players alive today are dead. Except for=20 the ones that are still alive. But so many of them are dead, that the=20 ones that are still alive are dying to be like the ones that are dead.=20 Some would kill for it. Interviewer: What is syncopation? Yogi: That's when the note that you should hear now happens either=20 before or after you hear it. In jazz, you don't hear notes when they=20 happen because that would be some other type of music. Other=20 types of music can be jazz, but only if they're the same as something=20 different from those other kinds. Interviewer: Now I really don't understand. Yogi: I haven't taught you enough for you to not understand jazz that well. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I think we all need to laugh at ourselves a little bit and chill. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_104.5ae7f467.2f44ee9a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

Now for something completely different -- but still apropos<= /I> methinks.
This was sent to me by my friend (and one of my favorite drummers
in SoCal) Dr. Bob Sterling -- some months ago. I dig it out now for what
I think should be obvious reasons.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

*Yogi Berra Explains Jazz*

Interviewer: Can you explain jazz?

Yogi: I can't, but I will. 90% of all jazz is half improvisation.= The other
half is the part people play while others are playing something they
never played with anyone who played that part. So if you play the
wrong part, it's right. If you play the right part, it might be right if you=
play it wrong enough. But if you play it too right, it's wrong.

Interviewer: I don't understand.

Yogi: Anyone who understands jazz knows that you can't understand=
it. It's too complicated. That's what's so simple about it.

Interviewer: Do you understand it?

Yogi: No. That's why I can explain it. If I understood it, I woul= dn't know
anything about it.

Interviewer: Are there any great jazz players alive today?

Yogi: No. All the great jazz players alive today are dead. Except= for
the ones that are still alive. But so many of them are dead, that the
ones that are still alive are dying to be like the ones that are dead.
Some would kill for it.

Interviewer: What is syncopation?

Yogi: That's when the note that you should hear now happens eithe= r
before or after you hear it. In jazz, you don't hear notes when they
happen because that would be some other type of music. Other
types of music can be jazz, but only if they're the same as something
different from those other kinds.

Interviewer: Now I really don't understand.

Yogi: I haven't taught you enough for you to not understand jazz=20= that well.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I think we all need to laugh at ourselves a little bit and chill.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_104.5ae7f467.2f44ee9a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 14:11:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GJ9MP13574; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:09:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:09:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42139A56.4030409@neoprimitive.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:09:10 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz References: <104.5ae7f467.2f44ee9a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <104.5ae7f467.2f44ee9a@aol.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79bd3c427b1a65d62ee1de6cfede277ade350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, man, that is the shit. Thanks for that. -J ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > *Now for something completely different* -- but still /apropos/ methinks. > This was sent to me by my friend (and one of my favorite drummers > in SoCal) Dr. Bob Sterling -- some months ago. I dig it out now for what > I think should be obvious reasons. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > **Yogi Berra Explains Jazz** > > *Interviewer:* Can you explain jazz? > > *Yogi:* I can't, but I will. 90% of all jazz is half improvisation. The > other > half is the part people play while others are playing something they > never played with anyone who played that part. So if you play the > wrong part, it's right. If you play the right part, it might be right if > you > play it wrong enough. But if you play it too right, it's wrong. > > *Interviewer:* I don't understand. > > *Yogi: *Anyone who understands jazz knows that you can't understand > it. It's too complicated. That's what's so simple about it. > > *Interviewer: *Do you understand it? > > *Yogi:* No. That's why I can explain it. If I understood it, I wouldn't > know > anything about it. > > *Interviewer: *Are there any great jazz players alive today? > > *Yogi: *No. All the great jazz players alive today are dead. Except for > the ones that are still alive. But so many of them are dead, that the > ones that are still alive are dying to be like the ones that are dead. > Some would kill for it. > > *Interviewer: *What is syncopation? > > *Yogi: *That's when the note that you should hear now happens either > before or after you hear it. In jazz, you don't hear notes when they > happen because that would be some other type of music. Other > types of music can be jazz, but only if they're the same as something > different from those other kinds. > > *Interviewer: *Now I really don't understand. > > *Yogi: *I haven't taught you enough for you to not understand jazz that > well. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 14:16:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GJE5k14675; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <42137BFE.5050304@sun.com> References: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> <915841AB-7FFE-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> <42137BFE.5050304@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:13:42 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks, for the detailed reply. I gonna c if I can get a cheaap pc from somewhere... If the echoplex runs using mostly ram then the hard disk speed of the computer wouldn't be important would it? I am thinking about pc laptops as they often have v.slow hard drives so thought I'd check. so a pc with 1ghz processor, intel or amd does it make a difference... how much ram approx? I am just trying to get an idea of the basic system I would need to use this.... and have no idea about PCs anymore as i use an ibook and G5 apple. Anything I should definetly avoid compatibility wise for the software..? I have soundcards coming out of my ears and obviously monitor etc. so just need to guess at a bass unit that would run it.. Any guidance by any PC heads using this wonderfull software appreciated and keep posting how you are finding it please... As i am intrigued Could be time to break 5 years of mac use! geoff On 16 Feb 2005, at 16:59, Jeff Larson wrote: > geoff smith wrote: >> Just out of curiouisity (I have two macs no pc so can't test software) >> Have you been able to code the insert functions of the edp? > > Yes, with a few exceptions. A long press of Insert is supposed to > perform a Replace, but it doesn't. When in a loop with > SamplerStyle=Once, Insert is supposed to retrigger the current loop > but leave the return transition. Currently, Insert cancels the return > and begins inserting in the current loop. My interpretation of how > Rehearse mode behaves seems to be a bit different than the EDP. But > otherwise all of the basic Insert functionality should be there. > > >> And what processor PC does it need for the operation to be really >> fast and responsive like an EDP when working with small loops? > > The loop size shouldn't make much difference, it does about the same > amount of work whether the loop is 1/10th of a second or an hour. The > smallest loop you can have is determined by the latency caused by > the sound card. For a card with ASIO drivers, this would be around > 20 milliseconds. > > The most critical factor in making Mobius feel responsive is to > get a good sound card with ASIO drivers. It is still quite usable > without ASIO drivers but some things, like loop triggering, won't > feel as "tight". > > I haven't really tried to find the minimum acceptable CPU. I have > a 2Ghz Pentium III and haven't noticed any stress. I'm guessing > 1Ghz or better would be fine. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 14:20:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GJH1p15628; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:17:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:17:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=PW2aMXZuo3+vFkI9BZ6PltSa7hylbr+0mBx6mmrRbhtRtNx5tYe9QxpREvXxrKKJ; Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:24:47 -0800 Subject: Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--721814647 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <104.5ae7f467.2f44ee9a@aol.com> Message-Id: <6BC8A430-8050-11D9-B809-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd48318b547b766c18ace0d2459bca6f6462900f0771c95f4286350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.183.185 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-6--721814647 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Thanks Ted joe On Wednesday, February 16, 2005, at 10:44 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Now for something completely different -- but still apropos methinks. > This was sent to me by my friend (and one of my favorite drummers > in SoCal) Dr. Bob Sterling -- some months ago. I dig it out now for > what > I think should be obvious reasons. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > *Yogi Berra Explains Jazz* > > Interviewer: Can you explain jazz? > > Yogi: I can't, but I will. 90% of all jazz is half improvisation. The > other > half is the part people play while others are playing something they > never played with anyone who played that part. So if you play the > wrong part, it's right. If you play the right part, it might be right > if you > play it wrong enough. But if you play it too right, it's wrong. > > Interviewer: I don't understand. > > Yogi: Anyone who understands jazz knows that you can't understand > it. It's too complicated. That's what's so simple about it. > > Interviewer: Do you understand it? > > Yogi: No. That's why I can explain it. If I understood it, I wouldn't > know > anything about it. > > Interviewer: Are there any great jazz players alive today? > > Yogi: No. All the great jazz players alive today are dead. Except for > the ones that are still alive. But so many of them are dead, that the > ones that are still alive are dying to be like the ones that are dead. > Some would kill for it. > > Interviewer: What is syncopation? > > Yogi: That's when the note that you should hear now happens either > before or after you hear it. In jazz, you don't hear notes when they > happen because that would be some other type of music. Other > types of music can be jazz, but only if they're the same as something > different from those other kinds. > > Interviewer: Now I really don't understand. > > Yogi: I haven't taught you enough for you to not understand jazz that > well. > --Apple-Mail-6--721814647 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Thanks Ted joe On Wednesday, February 16, 2005, at 10:44 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: Arial0000,0000,0000Hi all, Now for something completely different -- but still apropos methinks. This was sent to me by my friend (and one of my favorite drummers in SoCal) Dr. Bob Sterling -- some months ago. I dig it out now for what I think should be obvious reasons. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ *Yogi Berra Explains Jazz* Interviewer: Can you explain jazz? Yogi: I can't, but I will. 90% of all jazz is half improvisation. The other half is the part people play while others are playing something they never played with anyone who played that part. So if you play the wrong part, it's right. If you play the right part, it might be right if you play it wrong enough. But if you play it too right, it's wrong. Interviewer: I don't understand. Yogi: Anyone who understands jazz knows that you can't understand it. It's too complicated. That's what's so simple about it. Interviewer: Do you understand it? Yogi: No. That's why I can explain it. If I understood it, I wouldn't know anything about it. Interviewer: Are there any great jazz players alive today? Yogi: No. All the great jazz players alive today are dead. Except for the ones that are still alive. But so many of them are dead, that the ones that are still alive are dying to be like the ones that are dead. Some would kill for it. Interviewer: What is syncopation? Yogi: That's when the note that you should hear now happens either before or after you hear it. In jazz, you don't hear notes when they happen because that would be some other type of music. Other types of music can be jazz, but only if they're the same as something different from those other kinds. Interviewer: Now I really don't understand. Yogi: I haven't taught you enough for you to not understand jazz that well. --Apple-Mail-6--721814647-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 14:27:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GJOmI17351; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:24:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:24:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <11.3f28129e.2f44f7d5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:24:05 EST Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11.3f28129e.2f44f7d5_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11.3f28129e.2f44f7d5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Michael, You only say that because you are as uncomfortable with praise=20 as I am. However, I want to put my money where my mouth is. Is your snail-mail address still: Michael Kolbuchar 352 Grace St. Pittsburgh, PA 15211 I am as serious as a heartattack. Confirm your address and=20 the money is yours. I mean it. Start practicing your Swiss=20 (or whatever they speak over there) comic stage banter. . .=20 or looking for island real estate (whatever) now. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn In a message dated 02/16/05 9:44:57, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > ted.....your praise is very nice albeit misdirected.....matt davignon=20 > is a musical genius i=A0 am but a worm.....:).....thank you!.....if=20 > everyone sent me $50. i would buy LOOPER ISLAND and we=20 > all could live there loopilly ever after.....larry!....big thank you=20 > also.....i'll send you mine if you send me yours.....get me you=20 > mailing address.....THANKS.....michael >=20 --part1_11.3f28129e.2f44f7d5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Michael,

You only say that because you are as uncomfortable with praise
as I am. However, I want to put my money where my mouth is. Is
your snail-mail address still:

Michael Kolbuchar
352 Grace St.
Pittsburgh, PA 15211

I am as serious as a heartattack. Confirm your address and
the money is yours. I mean it. Start practicing your Swiss
(or whatever they speak over there) comic stage banter. . .
or looking for island real estate (whatever) now.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

In a message dated 02/16/05 9:44:57, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:

ted.....your praise is= very nice albeit misdirected.....matt davignon
is a musical genius i=A0 am but a worm.....:).....thank you!.....if
everyone sent me $50. i would buy LOOPER ISLAND and we
all could live there loopilly ever after.....larry!....big thank you also.....i'll send you mine if you send me yours.....get me you
mailing address.....THANKS.....michael





 --part1_11.3f28129e.2f44f7d5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 14:30:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GJSRT18228; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:28:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:28:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c701c5145d$81d57050$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: people opinion of people Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:21:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: people opinion of people Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:21:18 -0500 Tony K wrote: > I've played music (or well, at least attempted) since I was 8. Yeah, > thick skin comes with the territory. I'm still nervous about putting > myself up for discussion, but how else will I get feedback? >Gig? Ok, I'll give you that. Besides having major stage fright, I haven't found much call for the stuff I do around this area (Allentown PA) I can travel to Philly and I do have a few contacts in the electronic music world around here. But, mostly, well, I'm lazy, busy, and scared. :) Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 14:43:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GJfHA20992; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:41:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:41:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15c.4a501d5a.2f44e076@aol.com> References: <15c.4a501d5a.2f44e076@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:32:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1103539709==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <031xpC.A.yDF.GG6ECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1103539709==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:44 PM -0500 2/16/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >if everyone sent me $50. i would buy LOOPER ISLAND and we all could >live there loopilly ever after I suppose Looper Island would need to be a coral atoll or an extinct volcano with a central lagoon. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1103539709==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST
At 12:44 PM -0500 2/16/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
if everyone sent me $50. i would buy LOOPER ISLAND and we all could live there loopilly ever after

I suppose Looper Island would need to be a coral atoll or an extinct volcano with a central lagoon.
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--============_-1103539709==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 15:01:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GJxZs25334; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:59:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:59:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> <915841AB-7FFE-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> <42137BFE.5050304@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:59:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 16, 2005, at 20:13, geoff smith wrote: > thanks, for the detailed reply. > I gonna c if I can get a cheaap pc from somewhere... > If the echoplex runs using mostly ram then the hard disk speed of the > computer wouldn't be important would it? No, hard disk speed is not crucial for this. A fast CPU and plenty of fast RAM would be the way to go. My old IBM thinkpad did perfectly well with Live when setting clips (loops) to RAM only (not saving them to disk). And this was a slow Pentium 3. The new Pentium M CPUs are awesome! If your only audio computer experience is with Apple machines you may need to read up on how to optimize Windows XP for audio application. A good place is http://www.musicxp.net/ To read up on the efficiency of different laptop brands there is this ongoing thread at the Ableton Live forum: http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12375&highlight=laptop > I am thinking about pc laptops as they often have v.slow hard drives > so thought I'd check. > so a pc with 1ghz processor, intel or amd does it make a difference... > how much ram approx? Just calculate how long loops you want to keep spinning in memory. Then get as much RAM as you need for that audio plus the OS. > I am just trying to get an idea of the basic system I would need to > use this.... > and have no idea about PCs anymore as i use an ibook and G5 apple. > Anything I should definetly avoid compatibility wise for the > software..? You should avoid anything that is not recommended by someone that already successfully uses such a system. With Pentium and Windows there are so many combinations available. Change just one component and that system may not be as good with audio any longer. Do not go for USB audio or FireWire audio with PC. Go for a PCMCIA card. One that is loved by many laptop PC musicians is the Indigo Echo i/o. It gives you stereo in and stereo out with superb sound quality to a modest price. USB midi interface is all cool, but do not buy a solution that combines audio and midi. The best laptop way is a PCMCIA audio card and some USB thingy for midi. there's the dirt cheap Midi XP Mate that is only a USB to Midi contact converter, needs no drivers at all with Windows XP or OS X. Then you may use any kind of USB midi mixer (like the UC-33) or combined with a keyboard like the Korg MicroKontrol, just to give one example. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 16:22:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GLKTo07170; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:20:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:20:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016401c5146d$219e4b20$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ASIO for Mobius Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:11:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The most critical factor in making Mobius feel responsive is to >get a good sound card with ASIO drivers. It is still quite usable >without ASIO drivers but some things, like loop triggering, won't >feel as "tight". There's a generic ASIO driver that layers on top of WDM. I've used it on my Dell laptop and it's behaves just fine. http://michael.tippach.bei.t-online.de/asio4all/ I'm looking forward to a VST version of Mobius ! Any assistance I can give, I'm more than willing, being a programmer kinda guy and all and having done a little VST work. Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 16:32:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GLRFR10976; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:27:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:27:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ez1VsRNzU1dDXvOHEfm5Qy0ITQAZZxfVLxMCtZRWB9EVPrr7d2tSk+JQkr0xZvhMNZDQ+oaFLsKtKfboXZk9rgJlup9AE3hhaNh0HRhGzobZ1d0PyMQl4iJUqdDImetWchMkGQQNiFP7PYNqXim5i9Z4lF9CepxaKyfR+f6k7Jk= ; Message-ID: <20050216212646.20396.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:26:46 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why can't I find ANY info on mem upgrades to this unit, other than what's in the manual? Does it really need a tech. to preform the upgrade? Some hints culled from the Lexicon Knowledge Base: *Must Be "True Parity" modules (it's rare if they're not, as most are).... *Must be installed in matched pairs... * Move jumper from "256k" to "EXT".... *16megs is ok, but it will only adress(use)a max of 4meg... What else is there? I'm suprised I haven't seem any reference here....unless I missed it. =reLOOPOOLer= <<<=RANDY=>>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 16:34:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GLWuh14780; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:32:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:32:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Vygj7iDMngIxpDr+Mfh2dsmYgI1OQiGXzWScjmJGuENYUgKurG/x8TYVC433q01Qp4k5y7WYEBXQxaDng6tsIw3kIlGYL6I0nrgf/78tf8hn+hNUjH9CL9Ufnej/+hTAKByl8V3s1YNmLekg6DtbmKt8Wei59gH2YAR2EBrJneQ= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:31:43 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ASIO for Mobius In-Reply-To: <016401c5146d$219e4b20$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <016401c5146d$219e4b20$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to clarify--is this an ongoing discussion on how to make a non-licensed reverse-engineered version of the Loop software run on a Windows machine? On a mailing list hosted by one of the Loop programmers? TravisH On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:11:02 -0500, Tony K wrote: > I'm looking forward to a VST version of Mobius ! Any assistance I can give, > I'm more than willing, being a programmer kinda guy and all and having done > a little VST work. > > Tony > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 16:34:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GLTll12624; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:29:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:29:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017301c5146e$8d7f85b0$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <016701c51452$26ef2dd0$6601a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: (perhaps a different angle on the thread.) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:21:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>is flame or gear-speak. >> >> > Is it a gear oriented list. That's no reason to leave it. > > I do have a problem with this little flame war, but I > don't think I'll be leaving the list anytime soon. I don't have a problem with the flame-war, not really. I don't think it was entirely necessary, but it was intresting nonetheless. If I ran away every time someone pissed me off, I'd spend my life alone. If gear oriented discussion is what you want, head over to gearhead@yahoogroups.com and join up. I know there are a few of you there already. Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 16:50:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GLmQM18480; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:48:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:48:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050216212646.20396.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050216212646.20396.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:37:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:26 PM -0800 2/16/05, Randy Leifer wrote: >Why can't I find ANY info on mem upgrades to this unit, other than >what's in the manual? Does it really need a tech. to preform the >upgrade? As I recall, I performed an upgrade on mine back in 1998 simply by plugging in the proper card(s). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 16:56:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GLt7n20439; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:55:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:55:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4213C122.7090905@biink.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:54:42 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: people opinion of people References: <00c701c5145d$81d57050$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> In-Reply-To: <00c701c5145d$81d57050$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <45HXQB.A.e8E.oE8ECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tony K wrote: > > From: David Beardsley > > Tony K wrote: > >> I've played music (or well, at least attempted) since I was 8. Yeah, >> thick skin comes with the territory. I'm still nervous about putting >> myself up for discussion, but how else will I get feedback? > > >> Gig? > > > Ok, I'll give you that. Besides having major stage fright, Don't you even just play for friends? Practice is the best solution for stage fright. Besides when I'm on stage I'm so busy with playing, I don't even know they're there. > I haven't found much call for the stuff I do around this area > (Allentown PA) I can travel to Philly and I do have a few contacts in > the electronic music world around here. And there's NYC too, but all the places that I used to play at closed! > But, mostly, well, I'm lazy, busy, and scared. :) Immerse yourslf in your music and you shouldn't even notice the room. And by the time I look up, everyone else is in another world too. (or at least checking their phone messages) -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 16:57:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GLrck19924; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:53:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:53:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> <915841AB-7FFE-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> <42137BFE.5050304@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <217CBC73-8065-11D9-B70E-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:53:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 16, 2005, at 1:13 PM, geoff smith wrote: > Could be time to break 5 years of mac use! Geoff, are you the same Geoff Smith who did 15 Wild Decembers? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 16:58:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GLucI21015; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:56:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:56:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050216212646.20396.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050216212646.20396.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8ED1A40C-8065-11D9-B70E-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:56:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just remember to get the 30 pin SIMMs, 4 4mb boards i think. move the jumper install the chips power up, it will run a memory test done. it's pretty elf-explanatory once you get in there. i LOVE my expanded PCM-80. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 17:12:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GMAa526299; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:10:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:10:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4213C4C0.3030506@biink.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:10:08 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: For your listening amusement References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050214140304.02b402e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <002101c512ad$87536980$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> In-Reply-To: <002101c512ad$87536980$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm listening, sounds great to me. I'd take my time, but that's my mo. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 17:39:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GMYOE30033; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:34:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:34:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:34:03 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements In-reply-to: <217CBC73-8065-11D9-B70E-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4213CA5B.9060507@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> <915841AB-7FFE-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> <42137BFE.5050304@sun.com> <217CBC73-8065-11D9-B70E-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis Hartnett wrote: > Just to clarify--is this an ongoing discussion on how to make a > non-licensed reverse-engineered version of the Loop software run on a > Windows machine? On a mailing list hosted by one of the Loop > programmers? Calling this "reverse engineered" is a bit of a stretch. Loop is written in some assembly language for a specific hardware platform. Mobius is written in C++ for the Windows platform. The source code is not even remotely similar. I read a manual and wrote a completely different thing that outwardly behaves in a similar way, and in several respects is better. There is no law against this, and claiming some kind of copyright infringement is going to be difficult (not that the Loop developers would do this, they seem like perfectly reasonable people). I am certainly indebted to everyone involved with the development of EDP/Loop. I used their ideas, and I thank them for that. But there is a huge difference between an idea and an implementation of that idea. I had been writing a looper for my own use and just stumbled upon Looper's Delight about a year ago. Andre made a comment that he thought no one would ever be able to write a software version of the EDP, and I took that as a challenge. I have been a professional software developer for 25 years, and this is the hardest thing I have ever done. I'm not trying to compete with the EDP, though I suppose it will to some small degree. Anyone that understands software marketing will realize that this is an incredibly small niche market. There is no significant amount of money to be made here. But it is a market with a need that no one else seemed to be filling. I'm sorry if the Loop developers take offense at this. As the saying goes, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I did this to teach myself about looping, and I wanted to start with the best. Since this is a list about looping in general, I thought it would be ok to announce it here, though I recognize how some might find it awkward. I have set up a Yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius/ While I don't care where people post, it is probably best if we move Mobius discussion over there. I would like to thank everyone who has expressed interest in Mobius. I thank Matthias, Eric, Andy and everyone else involved with Loop. And I especially thank Kim for hosting this site. If anyone feels like sending me money for Mobius, I would ask that you first consider contributing to Looper's Delight. Mobius would never have happened without it. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 18:12:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1GNAM206334; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:10:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:10:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <217CBC73-8065-11D9-B70E-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> References: <42123012.2030402@sun.com> <915841AB-7FFE-11D9-8960-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> <42137BFE.5050304@sun.com> <217CBC73-8065-11D9-B70E-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:09:52 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no mate I have had 29 wild decembers in my life but never written anything about them, however as a small claim to fame 12000 copies of a track I did 2 years ago is coming out in april Yes! cheers geoff On 16 Feb 2005, at 21:53, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Feb 16, 2005, at 1:13 PM, geoff smith wrote: >> Could be time to break 5 years of mac use! > > Geoff, > > are you the same Geoff Smith who did 15 Wild Decembers? > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 19:13:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H0Bn022487; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:11:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:11:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.570f3eb1.2f453ada@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:10:02 EST Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1108599002" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5036 Resent-Message-ID: <09DK7C.A.7aF.mD-ECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1108599002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/16/2005 1:40:39 PM Central Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: At 12:44 PM -0500 2/16/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: if everyone sent me $50. i would buy LOOPER ISLAND and we all could live there loopilly ever after I suppose Looper Island would need to be a coral atoll or an extinct volcano with a central lagoon. -- And an internet cafe James -------------------------------1108599002 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/16/2005 1:40:39 PM Central Standard Time, zvonar@z= vonar.com writes:
At 12:44 PM -0500 2/16/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
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-------------------------------1108599002-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 19:32:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H0UCn25291; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:30:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:30:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c51488$a2cd52c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <15c.4a501d5a.2f44e076@aol.com> Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:35:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01C5145E.B96962A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.221.58] at Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:29:11 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C5145E.B96962A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: ZURICH LOOPFESTand electricity ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Zvonar=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST At 12:44 PM -0500 2/16/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: if everyone sent me $50. i would buy LOOPER ISLAND and we all could = live there loopilly ever after I suppose Looper Island would need to be a coral atoll or an extinct = volcano with a central lagoon. --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD =20 (818) 788-2202 =20 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C5145E.B96962A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST
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At 12:44 PM -0500 2/16/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
if everyone sent me $50. i would buy LOOPER ISLAND and = we all=20 could live there loopilly ever after

I suppose Looper Island would need to be a coral atoll or an = extinct=20 volcano with a central lagoon.
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------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C5145E.B96962A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 19:35:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H0XVk26010; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:33:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:33:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c51488$36e34920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: ZURICH LOOPFEST: travelling cheaply in Europe Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:32:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <5o2haC.A.uVG.0Y-ECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Michael, You inquired about strategies for getting to and from Europe cheaply. I learned this the very hard way on my European trip two summers ago: Do everything by train. Inner European airplane trips and renting cars are hideously expensive, not to mention the fact that the cheapest air fares on the continent have very, very low baggage weight limits. As an example: it cost me $45 to fly from Stockholm to Glascow as an example but they charged me $600 excess baggage for a 40 minutes flight. Finding that the next leg of that flight (I was trying to make a BBC on air performance in Belfast), another $45/40 minute flight would cost me an additional $600 for baggage made Chris, my wife and I jump ship, so to speak, and we took a ferry there that costs us 29$ each. We never took another airplane flight until we returned home from Belfast to Roma. Anyway, If you know you'd like to spend two weeks in Europe, I would highly recommend that you 1) by round trip tickets to Frankfurt; 2) take trains to both Berlin to visit and perhaps gig with Andreas Willers,Leander Reininghaus, MIchael Schiefel and to Koln to visit and perhaps play with Michael Peters. 3) Then take the train to Zurich. For the $550 you will save by not flying to Zurich, you will be able to see a lot of territory by train. It's really easy to get around on a trane. I'd even highly recommend that you buy yourself a 6 space rack Gator luggage styled rack cases to put your gear into and another rolling styled piece of luggage for your clothes and sling your guitar with a small backpack styled carrying case over your shoulder for flights. You basically want to be able to get up stairs easily as most stations in Europe do not have elevators or handicap access. Make your guitar bag and shoulder bag both be black and sling them over one shoulder. I was able to get two bags on board in every flight this way even though technically you are only allowed one carry on bag. The only other thing is this and it is vitally crucial: Never put your luggage where you cannot see it on a train. There are thieves. I did a tour where the tour manager/sound engineer was sick and put his laptop carrying 2 B&K microphones in the luggage compartment and sat 5 seats away from it. As we entered Paris, two thieves grabbed it and ran off the very crowded train as we watched them unable to physically get to them or get off the train in time. Also be very careful of groups of women gypsies who will swarm you as you are getting off and steal you blind as a theft gang bang. Keep your valuables on your person and constantly make eye contact with these peeps. Also stay physically between your baggage and them until you get off the train. They'll know you know and they won't go near you.........it happened several times to us. LOL, be careful , they send in the youngest most beautiful ones to distract you and chat you up............. Good luck, I hope I can make it too. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 19:47:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H0i4g27828; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:44:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:44:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <19f.2e9d6692.2f454299@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:43:05 EST Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST: travelling cheaply in Europe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19f.2e9d6692.2f454299_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_19f.2e9d6692.2f454299_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/16/05 7:33:21 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > I hope I can make it too. > seriously?.....that would be crazy!....."Also be very careful of groups of women gypsies who will swarm you".....wow! --part1_19f.2e9d6692.2f454299_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/16/05 7:33:21 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


I hope I can make it too.


seriously?.....that would be crazy!....."Also be very
careful of groups of women gypsies who will swarm you".....wow! --part1_19f.2e9d6692.2f454299_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 20:20:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H1Js307221; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:19:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:19:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Chris Kline" To: Subject: RE: Line6 DL4/replacing the switches Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:18:05 -0600 Message-ID: <003f01c5148e$8bb8c1e0$0200a8c0@honcho> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You may not need to replace them...the line-6 has a very clever and cheap switch system. In 99.99% of foot pedals the switch is a single unit that is usually between $3-$20 to replace. With the DL-4 the plungers on top are not switches ...just plungers... they press down onto pc-board mounted switches below. I have fixed a couple of friends DL4's when the plungers became loose and weren't pressing down far enough to hit the switch. Using the nuts on the plunger you can increase/decrease the height of the plunger (and make sure it's tightly screwed in). Hopefully that's the problem. You can tell by opening it up and pressing on the actual PC-board switch...if that works then your problem is a mechanical one...The plungers probably aren't broken (I mean, they are moving up and down right?) you just may need to adjust their height. I have also seen the problem of the pc-board switch itself wearing out. In which case you should have experience soldering small things to replace it. They are SPDT switches, but are only half used - as SPST switches. If you can find the right switch it would be a moderate solder job to replace them. Check out the link to this part - it would probably do the trick...it looks like the right form factor and operates the same.... 71 cents each. http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?&handler=data.listcategory&D=688-SKQGAB& terms=688-SKQGAB&Ntt=*688SKQGAB*&N=0&crc=true Chris http://rekliner.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 20:25:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H1Nfw08207; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:23:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:23:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c51490$1dec51c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> Subject: Larry - it's about MUSIC. Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:29:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [68.163.221.58] at Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:22:45 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <5Erkg.A.-9B.qH_ECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry - I'm trying to engage you clearly and with focus of my time and my attention addressing your points, and you're replies are in glib, incomplete comments. Talking to you is like talking to a ghost. Post some music links, please. Others have asked too. I hope you have some to music offer. Please tell us more about your music. You don't seem to talk about your actual music much at all. Why? What musical ideas would you like to share? Is there a musical idea you are working on now? What musical moment has been useful to you recently? What musical moment most impacted your life? Do you have some new musical motif that has captured your imagination? When do you find you do your best composing? Why do you think that is? When are you performing next? Where? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Cooperman" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: people opinion of people > > On Feb 15, 2005, at 2:32 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > Larry - > > > > You have proven definitively (with the content of your reply to my > > e-mail to > > you) that you do not know me. Instead, you have made additional > > assumptions > > about me based on no real knowledge about me. This is a pity. > > there is no complete lack of knowledge here so i do know you, you're on > the list. ain't no pity here i have no pity, like tell me, should i > have pity my friend. i know you love music and yourself. i mean that > in a positive way. > > > > Your argument is that people become lost in, or blinded even, by the > > technology discussed on this Loopers-Delight list. So? Perhaps > > Loopers-Delight is a place where people gather to learn more about the > > capabilities of their technology, and in so doing to extend their > > musical > > capabilities? Perhaps this is a venue for people to learn? Learning > > is not > > a problem, is it? > > yep, looper's delight is the best place on the internet as far as a > discussion group not only because i am an asshole but because you call > me on it but also suggest that you think i have something to say but i > am not dainty. > > > > First, I suggest that discussion of looping technology on this looping > > list > > originally created by and associated with a website that is dedicated > > to > > looping and looping technology should not be a surprise to you. > > yep, i sure know that one bubba. > > > > When I go to Russia, it is reasonable to me that I will hear Russian > > spoken > > around me. When I read posts from Loopers-Delight, it is reasonable > > to me > > that I might read about looping technology. I'm not surprised. I may > > not > > understand a lot of what I read here. I may not be as interested in > > some > > topics as I am in others. But I'm not surprised that on an e-list > > created > > by and for looping musicians, who invariably must use technology of > > some > > sort to accomplish their looping, that discussion of technology takes > > place. > > you still miss my point, most of you do. let me restate it-be careful > when giving someone advice on their music and especially if you are > trying to shove this music in a box. > > i know that a lot of folks here think that i am a boxer with the box > but i am free of all of these things. i have no boxes of music, just > boxes of people, so pardon me if you think i have boxed you. i ain't > heard your music there bubba. i try to sound like a southern person > when i'm talkin'. it makes this all more comfortable that i'm talking > at cha' i am trying to be constructive here and i know there was a > breakdown of civility and i intentionally caused it. remember, i'm an > asshole as some great scholar once said. > > but, and that is a big butt, this is about music and people's work. a > person said something to another a thing that was not productive. the > walker bros haven't listened to my cd in 7 months so some protocols > have been broken. > > now i need to be stroked by the bros because i did such a horrifying > performance and i turned it into a don rickels number with the manual > and all of that. i though it was great fun but i had to absolve my > vile performance. > > so, in human nature this causes a maladjustment in that relationship > and you should give advice from the perspective of that music not > yours. well here's what i would so is not the way you start a useful > critique on another's music. this is important now that i have your > attention. > > > > Indeed, because of this forum, I've been able to suggest and then > > obtain two > > capabilities I thought would benefit the looping technology I own. > > These > > capabilities are now part of the feature-set of the latest EDP > > software. > > So, I've used this very unique forum to shape the looping technology to > > better suit my musical needs. And I'm grateful to the authors of the > > EDP > > software for including my requests in their product. > > cool > > > > Second, I suspect like many here, I read and subscribe to other music > > related e-lists. These other lists are based around discussion of > > other > > topics. They each have their own "style" or "flavor" and to varying > > degrees > > contribute to my musical circumstances. I get musical inspiration from > > other places than Loopers-Delight. As we all do. > > i'm a dead serious about music mother. this is all i do i live it in > spite of the rest of the world, my family and my associations over > house cleaning and yard work to my drinkin' buddies understand me. i'm > just a musician and some people open their mouths and it just gripes > me. i've messed around on this group before being an asshole but this > kind of thing gets to me and this guy has been kicked off for a while. > oh, please kick me off. > > i'm staying until i'm kicked off because it's the right place to be > kicked off of or something like that. i mean chat groups are generally > a waste of time but this one isn't. > > > > I've been reading this list off and on since 1996. Many topics have > > repeated and returned over that time. Some discussions evolve and > > some seem > > to get stuck. Your premise that the Loopers-Delight email list talks > > about > > technology too much has been discussed here before. It's not > > important that > > so far you've not added anything new to the discussion. What is > > important > > is that you've raised it again. But unfortunately, your manner and > > style > > has killed the discussion before it really got started. More's the > > pity. > > Or perhaps you have another goal? > > i think you're getting on to me me by asking your question. i do have > the goal of turning trash into a flower at this point. i've made my > point. > > and i did say that at loopers delight there is too much talk about > buttons and therefore when a musical discussion comes up, an inquiry > into someone's music, they often start off in a counter productive > manner like our friend did. we all have a little of that in us, you > know, that self centered how do i look sort of orientation. > > i mean, if you talk about golf all the time how you gonna talk about > art. you have no practice. > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 20:35:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H1VFa10178; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:31:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:31:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <90.57a5b156.2f454d80@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:29:36 EST Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST: travelling cheaply in Europe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_90.57a5b156.2f454d80_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_90.57a5b156.2f454d80_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rickeeee!.....just re-read you travel tips.....THANKS.....but please tell me more of these young gypsie women.....can they teach me to play like DJANGO? --part1_90.57a5b156.2f454d80_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable rickeeee!.....just re-read you travel tips....= .THANKS.....but please tell me more of these young gypsie women.....can they= teach me to play like DJANGO? --part1_90.57a5b156.2f454d80_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 20:48:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H1kST13507; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:46:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:46:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Chris Kline" To: Subject: RE: Mobius system requirements Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:44:59 -0600 Message-ID: <004001c51492$4d98fde0$0200a8c0@honcho> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an overview of setting up a laptop for looping at www.rekliner.com?PageID=15 PCMCIA is faster and less cpu-intensive, but the options are very limited...I can't find any cardbus interfaces that support 4 analog ins/outs. It's either stereo in/out or 8 million digital in/outs in a rack-unit like on hammerfall. You also have to deal with flimsy adaptors & cables. Firewire is a dependable standard, and I can get a consistant 64 sample latency with the M-audio Firewire 410 (3ms from guitar to amp). I have heard that other firewire interfaces are only as good as their drivers - and bad things about the Presonus firestation. But I firewire can't be dismissed as being in the same category as USB. USB is an entirely different and slower spec never meant for audio.... USB 2.0 has more bandwidth than firewire but from what I hear it is still slower to deliver the data in a time-critical fashion...it only gets cranking when you are transferring files and such. Per Boyson wrote: Do not go for USB audio or FireWire audio with PC. Go for a PCMCIA card. One that is loved by many laptop PC musicians is the Indigo Echo i/o. It gives you stereo in and stereo out with superb sound quality to a modest price. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 20:58:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H1unt15615; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:56:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:56:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4213F9C0.8000802@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:56:16 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements References: <004001c51492$4d98fde0$0200a8c0@honcho> In-Reply-To: <004001c51492$4d98fde0$0200a8c0@honcho> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9rw2yB.A.iyD.Cn_ECB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For what it's worth, I have a USB 2.0 audio interface (the Edirol UA-1000 rack mount unit), and it has performed VERY well in the experiments I've tried with it. I have used it for audio and (small amounts of) MIDI simultaneously, and managed latency in the teens (11-15ms if I remember correctly) using Ableton Live. I can't compare to Firewire or PCMCIA, because I've never tried either with my laptop. However, I'm confident that the UA-1000 will give me decent preformance when I finally fire up the Mobius Technological Enslavement Device, and begin focusing on technology with little or no musical historical perspective :) I'll let ya know soon! Dig Chris Kline wrote: >I have an overview of setting up a laptop for looping at >www.rekliner.com?PageID=15 > >PCMCIA is faster and less cpu-intensive, but the options are very >limited...I can't find any cardbus interfaces that support 4 analog >ins/outs. It's either stereo in/out or 8 million digital in/outs in a >rack-unit like on hammerfall. You also have to deal with flimsy >adaptors & cables. > >Firewire is a dependable standard, and I can get a consistant 64 sample >latency with the M-audio Firewire 410 (3ms from guitar to amp). I have >heard that other firewire interfaces are only as good as their drivers - >and bad things about the Presonus firestation. But I firewire can't be >dismissed as being in the same category as USB. USB is an entirely >different and slower spec never meant for audio.... USB 2.0 has more >bandwidth than firewire but from what I hear it is still slower to >deliver the data in a time-critical fashion...it only gets cranking when >you are transferring files and such. > > >Per Boyson wrote: >Do not go for USB audio or FireWire audio with PC. Go for a PCMCIA >card. One that is loved by many laptop PC musicians is the Indigo Echo >i/o. It gives you stereo in and stereo out with superb sound quality >to a modest price. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 21:17:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H2FcE21135; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:15:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:15:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <007501c51490$1dec51c0$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> <007501c51490$1dec51c0$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3c40a1fac03dc2664b5b621f051c45dc@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Larry - it's about MUSIC. Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:12:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609e98a5bd7ca216f505599e11f4f5ac69a2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 16, 2005, at 5:29 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Larry - > > I'm trying to engage you clearly and with focus of my time and my > attention > addressing your points, and you're replies are in glib, incomplete > comments. > Talking to you is like talking to a ghost. > > Post some music links, please. Others have asked too. I hope you > have some > to music offer. Will I have reams of music but if it's not put up in a predigested form then no one will even care. I'm saying that in the old way, a musician read and received a piece of music as written. I could put my music up all day long in this way and I'm just adding to my Preparation H usage. I am a ghost to you guys. I don't have all of that modern corporeality. I may have some files that I can figure out how to post them. I do have Mac OS-X and it should do something. I'll look into it and grab another tube of the Preparation. Funny, I use Finale instead of pushing a pencil and all of it involves sitting on you butt. > > Please tell us more about your music. You don't seem to talk about > your > actual music much at all. Why? What musical ideas would you like to > share? > Is there a musical idea you are working on now? What musical moment > has > been useful to you recently? What musical moment most impacted your > life? > Do you have some new musical motif that has captured your imagination? > When > do you find you do your best composing? Why do you think that is? > When are > you performing next? Where? Rautavaara, a contemporary Finnish composer has brought together all streams of music into a unifying whole so this is the most moving musical experience I've had recently. I read a lot so I am motivated by what I read. My last and longest work Bless Me, Ultima was taken from a novel of the same name by Rudolfo Anaya. It is a beautiful coming of age story and centers around the culture in New Mexico that was there when Cortez arrived in the late 16th century. Has magic. I'll try to get some sound files up. Unfortunately the most recent stuff was recorded by other folks and not by me. I prefer it this way so my recordings of my music are stored on DAT and I don't have a DAT machine. Walking on the Water was inspired by Chancey Gardner's (Peter Seller's) amazing walk across the pond in Being There. This has been my most recorded piece. Right now I'm doing a set of 12 pieces called Kachinas. One of my more recognized pieces is called The Transformations of Young Werther inspired by Goethe's novel that help start the romantic era. It is a 25 minute symphonic poem for solo guitar. I dedicated it to Robert Downey Jr. because he's such a romantic guy that gets caught doing drugs and naked. Also inspired by Kirt Corbain's suicide. Corbain wasn't the first romantic to do this Werther made it popular. Dandies were killing themselves in the early and late romantic period for reasons of love and art. These are pieces that off the top of my head I consider the most inspired and the rest are just pieces like in the style of this and that with a neo as a prefix. I have written maybe over a hundred pieces possibly two hundred. I can't remember them all. I have also done some backtone electric guitar work solo and with an improvisation group called the Vortexans. I also have a similar project called The Sports Utility Vampires (SUV) that do some sort of post Charles Ives structural dissonance. We use gear and such, so did the Vortexans. My ghostliness is just natural because I am an old fashioned musician who likes the old ways of doing things like Finale (?). Well it's old to me. I don't do paper but if Enron pulls another trick in California then I'll pull out soft leaded pencils and paper. Thanks for your interest and I'll see what I can do to satisfy curiosity. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Cooperman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:06 PM > Subject: people opinion of people > > >> >> On Feb 15, 2005, at 2:32 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >> >>> Larry - >>> >>> You have proven definitively (with the content of your reply to my >>> e-mail to >>> you) that you do not know me. Instead, you have made additional >>> assumptions >>> about me based on no real knowledge about me. This is a pity. >> >> there is no complete lack of knowledge here so i do know you, you're >> on >> the list. ain't no pity here i have no pity, like tell me, should i >> have pity my friend. i know you love music and yourself. i mean that >> in a positive way. >>> >>> Your argument is that people become lost in, or blinded even, by the >>> technology discussed on this Loopers-Delight list. So? Perhaps >>> Loopers-Delight is a place where people gather to learn more about >>> the >>> capabilities of their technology, and in so doing to extend their >>> musical >>> capabilities? Perhaps this is a venue for people to learn? Learning >>> is not >>> a problem, is it? >> >> yep, looper's delight is the best place on the internet as far as a >> discussion group not only because i am an asshole but because you call >> me on it but also suggest that you think i have something to say but i >> am not dainty. >>> >>> First, I suggest that discussion of looping technology on this >>> looping >>> list >>> originally created by and associated with a website that is dedicated >>> to >>> looping and looping technology should not be a surprise to you. >> >> yep, i sure know that one bubba. >>> >>> When I go to Russia, it is reasonable to me that I will hear Russian >>> spoken >>> around me. When I read posts from Loopers-Delight, it is reasonable >>> to me >>> that I might read about looping technology. I'm not surprised. I >>> may >>> not >>> understand a lot of what I read here. I may not be as interested in >>> some >>> topics as I am in others. But I'm not surprised that on an e-list >>> created >>> by and for looping musicians, who invariably must use technology of >>> some >>> sort to accomplish their looping, that discussion of technology takes >>> place. >> >> you still miss my point, most of you do. let me restate it-be careful >> when giving someone advice on their music and especially if you are >> trying to shove this music in a box. >> >> i know that a lot of folks here think that i am a boxer with the box >> but i am free of all of these things. i have no boxes of music, just >> boxes of people, so pardon me if you think i have boxed you. i ain't >> heard your music there bubba. i try to sound like a southern person >> when i'm talkin'. it makes this all more comfortable that i'm talking >> at cha' i am trying to be constructive here and i know there was a >> breakdown of civility and i intentionally caused it. remember, i'm an >> asshole as some great scholar once said. >> >> but, and that is a big butt, this is about music and people's work. a >> person said something to another a thing that was not productive. the >> walker bros haven't listened to my cd in 7 months so some protocols >> have been broken. >> >> now i need to be stroked by the bros because i did such a horrifying >> performance and i turned it into a don rickels number with the manual >> and all of that. i though it was great fun but i had to absolve my >> vile performance. >> >> so, in human nature this causes a maladjustment in that relationship >> and you should give advice from the perspective of that music not >> yours. well here's what i would so is not the way you start a useful >> critique on another's music. this is important now that i have your >> attention. >>> >>> Indeed, because of this forum, I've been able to suggest and then >>> obtain two >>> capabilities I thought would benefit the looping technology I own. >>> These >>> capabilities are now part of the feature-set of the latest EDP >>> software. >>> So, I've used this very unique forum to shape the looping technology >>> to >>> better suit my musical needs. And I'm grateful to the authors of the >>> EDP >>> software for including my requests in their product. >> >> cool >>> >>> Second, I suspect like many here, I read and subscribe to other music >>> related e-lists. These other lists are based around discussion of >>> other >>> topics. They each have their own "style" or "flavor" and to varying >>> degrees >>> contribute to my musical circumstances. I get musical inspiration >>> from >>> other places than Loopers-Delight. As we all do. >> >> i'm a dead serious about music mother. this is all i do i live it in >> spite of the rest of the world, my family and my associations over >> house cleaning and yard work to my drinkin' buddies understand me. >> i'm >> just a musician and some people open their mouths and it just gripes >> me. i've messed around on this group before being an asshole but this >> kind of thing gets to me and this guy has been kicked off for a while. >> oh, please kick me off. >> >> i'm staying until i'm kicked off because it's the right place to be >> kicked off of or something like that. i mean chat groups are >> generally >> a waste of time but this one isn't. >>> >>> I've been reading this list off and on since 1996. Many topics have >>> repeated and returned over that time. Some discussions evolve and >>> some seem >>> to get stuck. Your premise that the Loopers-Delight email list talks >>> about >>> technology too much has been discussed here before. It's not >>> important that >>> so far you've not added anything new to the discussion. What is >>> important >>> is that you've raised it again. But unfortunately, your manner and >>> style >>> has killed the discussion before it really got started. More's the >>> pity. >>> Or perhaps you have another goal? >> >> i think you're getting on to me me by asking your question. i do have >> the goal of turning trash into a flower at this point. i've made my >> point. >> >> and i did say that at loopers delight there is too much talk about >> buttons and therefore when a musical discussion comes up, an inquiry >> into someone's music, they often start off in a counter productive >> manner like our friend did. we all have a little of that in us, you >> know, that self centered how do i look sort of orientation. >> >> i mean, if you talk about golf all the time how you gonna talk about >> art. you have no practice. >> Larry Cooperman >> New Millennium Guitar >> http://www.newmillguitar.com >> > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 21:19:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H2Hdv21724; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:17:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:17:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=O5Z6kjz8YyYHZ9VRL5dGiy/WPK7reg1oes92jGSoU4mPb8gvZEIeerjSjFd6U4PX; Message-ID: <410-22005241722517750@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:25:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94071dd090229e90e1e7ea37a0599d93f2b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.23 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Klobuchar IS wonderful and deserves any break he gets. ~Tim M ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 2/16/2005 12:09:18 PM Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST Hi there, Pardon the intrusion. Let me add my 2 cents. Michael Klobuchar is a musical genius!!! And, personally speaking, one of my real-world guitar heroes. No joke!!! He is also a really pleasant guy to hang out with . . . and funny too. Please help him get to Zurich. You won't regret it. Heck Michael, I'd send a $50 donation to your travel fund if you like -- just knowing what a chance this'd be for you. Promise you'll go! Best, Ted Killian In a message dated 02/16/05 8:03:17, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: ola to all EUROLOOPERKINDERN!.....i REALLY want to come to this fest and meet and perhaps play with you cats but here is a problem that i face: to fly to ZURICH the cost is apx $1000. yet in my sunday newspaper they list flights to FRANKFURT for $450.....my funds are very limited yet i would like to spend about 2 weeks in EUROPE, i have never been there and i doubt that this chance will come again.....what can i do?.....i am looking for suggestions, i'm pretty much open to anything.....the CALILOOPERKINDERN will tell you that i am somewhat well behaved and even housebroken!.....:).....right now i'm looking for ideas (places to stay, gigs to play).....if nothing comes of this, i will just try to get to ZURICH and drive BERNHARD crazy.....:).....please respond off list for i will be very embarassed if everyone tells me to stay home!.....:).....tanks!.....michael ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Klobuchar IS wonderful and deserves any break he gets.
~Tim M
 
 
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Hi there,

Pardon the intrusion. Let me add my 2 cents. Michael Klobuchar is a musical genius!!! And, personally speaking, one of my real-world guitar heroes. No joke!!! He is also a really pleasant guy to hang out with . . . and funny too. Please help him get to Zurich. You won't regret it. Heck Michael, I'd send a $50 donation to your travel fund if you like -- just knowing what a chance this'd be for you. Promise you'll go!

Best,

Ted Killian

In a message dated 02/16/05 8:03:17, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:

ola to all EUROLOOPERKINDERN!.....i REALLY want to come to this fest and meet and perhaps play with you cats but here is a problem that i face: to fly to ZURICH the cost is apx $1000. yet in my sunday newspaper they list flights to FRANKFURT for $450.....my funds are very limited yet i would like to spend about 2 weeks in EUROPE, i have never been there and i doubt that this chance will come again.....what can i do?.....i am looking for suggestions, i'm pretty much open to anything.....the CALILOOPERKINDERN will tell you that i am somewhat well behaved and even housebroken!.....:).....right now i'm looking for ideas (places to stay, gigs to play).....if nothing comes of this, i will just try to get to ZURICH and drive BERNHARD crazy.....:).....please respond off list for i will be very embarassed if everyone tells me to stay home!.....:).....tanks!.....michael
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 21:37:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H2YIf24808; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:34:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:34:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050216183126.028a1818@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:33:29 -0800 To: "Looper's Delight" From: armatronix Subject: test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2F264496 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I noticed that I've only been getting one LD e-mail every couple of weeks, and I finally went in to try to change my SPAM filter on Yahoo. We'll see how it works... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2-14-2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 22:20:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H3ItU01806; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:18:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:18:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42140D13.8050806@neoprimitive.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:18:43 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: test References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050216183126.028a1818@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050216183126.028a1818@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79abe1450b60f013a4073a89fb2a166ee8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.212.21 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com armatronix wrote: > I noticed that I've only been getting one LD e-mail every couple of > weeks, and I finally went in to try to change my SPAM filter on Yahoo. > We'll see how it works... Don't worry, man. You haven't been missing anything on here the last couple days. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 22:20:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H3JDL01839; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:19:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:19:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=i9WSK5DOFkMqVZKObrmM4gOvTskecHmR4UD9agGhfwQyXFJ4PefYXhQ8iFpA6++qXA1DRIXJ2OrOwaQGSubF8y6AJuLqyYyk/BIU8Ki1yHSiRT8Rg2g6n1SV0v8HB9dSnXAovp+TMmlPMSuk7D6Ln/NLWvxwhacoMPDULKlwsi0= ; Message-ID: <20050217031751.8906.qmail@web41129.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:17:51 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Digitech RDS 3600 : link for manual? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-lnwuD.A.hZ.mzAFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got this 3600 delay today at a pawn shop in L.A.. They also had a RDS 1900, Roland SDE1000 delay, and some rackmount Boss delay?? I paid $100.....um....but I also got a deal on a Roland MC 50 seqcr @ $75, so I felt better about the Digi's price. I could not find a manual on Digitech's site except for the RDS 1000,2000,3000....TimeMachine. I'll see if that answeres any Q's I might not be able to answer on my own. If you have a link for a proper 3600 manual, I'll be your friend forever. THX =reLOOPOOLer= <<<=RANDY=>>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 22:23:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H3LOw02824; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:21:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:21:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:20:29 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: PC Audio Interfaces (was Mobius requirements) In-reply-to: <4213F9C0.8000802@pdq.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42140D7D.60500@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <004001c51492$4d98fde0$0200a8c0@honcho> <4213F9C0.8000802@pdq.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug Cox wrote: > For what it's worth, I have a USB 2.0 audio interface (the Edirol > UA-1000 rack mount unit), and it has performed VERY well in the > experiments I've tried with it. I have used it for audio and (small > amounts of) MIDI simultaneously, and managed latency in the teens > (11-15ms if I remember correctly) using Ableton Live. Sound-On-Sound has a good article on this: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov04/articles/pcmusician.htm FireWire and USB 2.0 interfaces have improved a lot. They mention the UA-1000 specifically as a good choice. It is absolutely essential though that you have a computer with USB 2.0 ports rather than the older, slower USB 1.1. ports. If your computer is more than 3 years old, you need to check. They make an amusing comment about musicians bemoaning the lack of FireWire 800 ports. FireWire 800 is necessary if you intend to have 56 simultaneous channels of 24-bit 192kHz audio. Now that's a looping rig I'd like to see! But as they point out, if all you need is stereo and space is a concern, the Echo Indigo is a great choice. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 22:24:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H3Mb603148; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:22:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:22:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rLDpIOZaKLBRMWDX2TxCD2qjqp8lqIlRc6qAdhUoK2dHbLuv2Qteo/4tpYv15tG5wjraIEfvXMvvZhwUzOIMI7l8iFnY1mnmbyQYEcdWO1GD+VGiAGbrDQwkIleqRU1cCZ73mjr/iBVmt0ICZVOyvqVoPrtm2d1NIND3Z0m8Z+c= ; Message-ID: <20050217032102.83168.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:21:01 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Re: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8ED1A40C-8065-11D9-B70E-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com . I'll try it....thx!! --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > just remember to get the 30 pin SIMMs, 4 4mb boards > i think. > > move the jumper > > install the chips > > power up, it will run a memory test > > done. > > > it's pretty elf-explanatory once you get in there. > > > i LOVE my expanded PCM-80. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 22:30:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H3Slf04857; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:28:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:28:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42140F19.7000506@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:27:21 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PC Audio Interfaces (was Mobius requirements) References: <004001c51492$4d98fde0$0200a8c0@honcho> <4213F9C0.8000802@pdq.net> <42140D7D.60500@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <42140D7D.60500@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a great point - my laptop does have multiple USB 2.0 compatible ports. Don't get fooled into USB 2.0 if you don't have the ports. I'm not making any pro/con claims here, just wanted to let folks know that USB 2.0 has worked well for me in the past (on a T40 IBM Thinkpad, no less). Dig FireWire and USB 2.0 interfaces have improved a lot. They mention > the UA-1000 specifically as a good choice. It is absolutely essential > though that you have a computer with USB 2.0 ports rather than the > older, slower USB 1.1. ports. If your computer is more than 3 years > old, you need to check. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 22:34:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H3UF905065; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:30:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:30:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050217032900.72944.qmail@web81106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:29:00 -0800 (PST) From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Re: test To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42140D13.8050806@neoprimitive.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-923082041-1108610940=:72889" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-923082041-1108610940=:72889 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's probably been 6-9 months. Jesse Lucas wrote:armatronix wrote: > I noticed that I've only been getting one LD e-mail every couple of > weeks, and I finally went in to try to change my SPAM filter on Yahoo. > We'll see how it works... Don't worry, man. You haven't been missing anything on here the last couple days. --0-923082041-1108610940=:72889 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
It's probably been 6-9 months.

Jesse Lucas <jlucas@neoprimitive.net> wrote:
armatronix wrote:
> I noticed that I've only been getting one LD e-mail every couple of
> weeks, and I finally went in to try to change my SPAM filter on Yahoo.
> We'll see how it works...

Don't worry, man. You haven't been missing anything on here the last
couple days.

--0-923082041-1108610940=:72889-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 22:46:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H3dAv06471; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:39:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:39:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421410E8.1020104@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:35:04 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fripp Interview References: <021120052018.2867.420D130A000DB72C00000B3321979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> <420D2ACC.1010102@speakeasy.net> In-Reply-To: <420D2ACC.1010102@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last week the topic of Robert Fripp and the changing (or unchanging depending on your point of view) identity of King Crimson over the years was a spirited thread. A guitar student of mine told me about this cool Fripp interview from 2/2003 (though she didn't think it was too cool, and had a violently anti-fripp reaction :-) Anyway, I just got around to beginning the 8 part interview and wanted to post the link. http://www.king-crimson.com/kcrff.html Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 16 23:07:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H45DR12369; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:05:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:05:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lUvYOhpAuupNxVhIqX9XCWhcDDFWVcSlwdaEnt/6j/+uZX5Bfs0Xm3iHuch72A4ot3wUsfdG+LrNEi0/YRJajfnHNBXzncrLhFVn7bmRmJL3It8I8+2GjVgPw0NllhSa5BxeCtxqqa3jl0udtDvMkqfWRuRoV1JjnZzQFL1cFXY= ; Message-ID: <20050217040419.91593.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:04:19 -0800 (PST) From: John Corbett Subject: Looking for a Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4o5LMD.A.q-C.JfBFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, I'm looking to buy a Boomerang + or Ver. 2, either one. Just thought someone on this list might have one for sale sometime. Peace, John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 00:36:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H5Y2n01501; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:34:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:34:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ppSP09z18yvVCkB4JszPmQYVTyufnfDLQyumUpQbCvyA43oNzoNqiHO8TrS/KpxKVjBZ2Ru/uFDONBvVvbYi8y/Pj/OUU7kyaDMQPbnVUKHGfO2mtnPWl5n140M5ApyXgmxr4WTZ69MdxmY0jpcPT/EDImwGPGAI7ldkC0HFwDo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:33:12 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To keep the software looper excitement level high around here, I've decided it is time to release a beta version of SooperLooper for Mac OS X. http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ SooperLooper is a live looping sampler capable of immediate loop recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). When used with a low-latency audio configuration it is capable of truly realtime live performance looping. SooperLooper is currently supported on Linux/Unix and OS X platforms that support JACK (http://jackit.sf.net). A Mac OS X package is available, and is usable with the v0.6 release of JackOSX (http://www.jackosx.com/) which is available as a prerelease at http://www.grame.fr/~letz/JackOSX.0.6.pkg.zip . JACK is an incredibly powerful way to route audio between applications and to/from audio hardware, and should be a part of anyone's arsenal. The application is a standalone JACK client with an engine controllable via OSC and MIDI. It also includes a GUI which communicates with the engine via OSC (even over a network) for user-friendly control on a desktop. However, this kind of live performance looping tool is most effectively used via hardware (midi footpedals, etc) and the engine can be run standalone on a computer without a monitor. A few sample MIDI binding presets are supplied, including a basic EDP Loop IV binding. Future plans include possible VST and AU plugin versions for both Windows and Mac, with some reduction in flexibility from the JACK version. But with the steep competition from the impressive Mobius, maybe some collaboration is in order? This software is licensed under the GPL, thus the source code is free, open and available. Because of this there will always be someone around who can fix any problems, or add new features even if something happened to me. You are welcome to copy it, give copies to your friends, and modify it. But if you find it useful, then please consider making a donation. Please don't hesitate to give me feedback, and have fun.... Jesse Chappell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 01:59:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H6qjO16646; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:52:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:52:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b701c514bd$017cae90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST: travelling cheaply in Europe Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:50:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Klobuchar asked: rickeeee!.....just re-read you travel tips.....THANKS.....but please tell me more of these young gypsie women.....can they teach me to play like DJANGO? No, Scoots, but they CAN teach you to make love like DJANGO (before they relieve you of your passport and wallet). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 02:02:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H6xfE19820; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:59:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:59:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bf01c514be$34fdb0b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: ZURICH LOOPFEST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:59:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim wrote: "Klobuchar IS wonderful and deserves any break he gets." I'd like to add a major 'ditto' to that sentiment.. Michael Klobuchar has one of the most twisted electric guitar processing sensibilities of anyone I've ever known and that is the most major of compliments coming from me. How he can morph a fairly old fashioned standard guitar tune into something that is, at once, both terrifying and hilarious is just nothing short of musical alchemy. Send him funds to enable him to invade Europe. Western Civilization will thank you for it. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 02:35:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H7X2a24437; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:33:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=eBduz1pp9pO872QlVRarY/9fOM8sTcISqeoCjtTrqmkjXyyUiXlm9P1gd31P2yRtRF6uXBGU+mawgu/CFuhI/yT9VZGX0mBU2e+hg09d6GWX9G7CxRvNvPMltjAQ0/QnQaQTrvKTgdKdV1Joo8WAiEAlCvoJwISzwPYdVIwO7e0= ; Message-ID: <20050217073228.99985.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4213CA5B.9060507@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff compliments!The sofware is wonderful although still buggy keep it up man! anyway here are a couple of bugs ive come across: -In building a preset,the preset name will come up in front of the interface and i have to scale the grafic down and enlarge it to go away. -if i want to slice the loop via multiply and record end it wont react exactly in time. il keep messing with it and let you know. Thanx again!!! Luis > > While I don't care where people post, it is probably > best if we move > Mobius discussion over there. I would like to thank > everyone > who has expressed interest in Mobius. I thank > Matthias, Eric, Andy > and everyone else involved with Loop. And I > especially thank Kim > for hosting this site. If anyone feels like sending > me money for > Mobius, I would ask that you first consider > contributing to > Looper's Delight. Mobius would never have happened > without it. > > Regards, > Jeff > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 02:47:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H7juk26026; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <004001c51492$4d98fde0$0200a8c0@honcho> References: <004001c51492$4d98fde0$0200a8c0@honcho> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <82b186f73e93af18ddf9a893f27ebea1@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:45:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <4Tv-4.A.6VG.ZuEFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 17, 2005, at 2:44, Chris Kline wrote: > Per Boyson wrote: > Do not go for USB audio or FireWire audio with PC. Go for a PCMCIA > card. One that is loved by many laptop PC musicians is the Indigo Echo > i/o. It gives you stereo in and stereo out with superb sound quality > to a modest price. I'd like to make clear that I was talking "wintel" machines here. With an apple laptop that supports firewire 800 the odds are of course better ;-) > .I can't find any cardbus interfaces that support 4 analog > ins/outs. The RME Multiface is 8 analog in/out in a little box. You connect the break-out box to the PCMCA card with a cable. Can be found second hand for a good price now because many "gear heads" think they need the latest thing and "upgrade". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 03:49:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H8mao05318; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:48:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:48:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c514cd$28d0c930$143469d5@acer81080ea37f> From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <15c.4a501d5a.2f44e076@aol.com> Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:46:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C514CD.27A9D560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C514CD.27A9D560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike,You are most welcome to stay with me though my humble cottage is = not on europe's mainland. You should come to visit Wales man. Got fond memories of spending time with you lot at Y2K3 but missed it = this year unfortunately. All the best, Gareth ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C514CD.27A9D560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike,You are most welcome to stay with = me though my=20 humble cottage is not on europe's mainland.
You should come to visit Wales = man.
Got fond memories of spending time with = you lot at=20 Y2K3 but missed it this year unfortunately.
 
All the best,
 
Gareth
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C514CD.27A9D560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 04:04:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H93du11489; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 04:03:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 04:03:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42145DA4.8030502@iinet.net.au> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:02:28 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com arr, tis a beautiful thing. works a treat, and in testing it out I put together a quick umm, piece of non-music sound-technology as entertainment. for those who want some light listening, go here: http://looplog.org/ooo/cheapmonkguerilla.mp3 (be warned, it's a 6mb file...) made with voice recorded thru ibook internal microphone and sooperlooper (5 single channel loops) cheers michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 04:50:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1H9mGG20014; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 04:48:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 04:48:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050217094349.02b38220@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:46:00 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: Mobius system requirements In-Reply-To: <200502170320.j1H3KgP02331@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502170320.j1H3KgP02331@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <15ui9D.A.y3E.9gGFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:20 17/02/05, you wrote: >.I can't find any cardbus interfaces that support 4 analog >ins/outs. M-Audio DELTA 44 http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.list&ID=pciinterfaces From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 05:59:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HAvdw30115; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:57:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:57:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=06qUZ6gjPTJhf95QC9tFTXWGb19UiAeEpzHTSKWwnX9hwWptR30E6z7PiQ7nQ/NKj91wK51SXBZ0gwS9zXptw7+4DrzisoGthjwsZIgzKBya9m7paqCClMV8jLP0WdjzbJX5Si8JOFSstljUI6dryOOVCoR2k3gSonfKoTsD0t4= ; Message-ID: <20050217105006.14015.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:50:06 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <82b186f73e93af18ddf9a893f27ebea1@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Per, what about this new one from RME firewire seems killer with preamps and all http://www.rme-audio.com/english/firewire/ff800.htm but i am quite happy with my RME multiface cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > > On Feb 17, 2005, at 2:44, Chris Kline wrote: > > Per Boyson wrote: > > Do not go for USB audio or FireWire audio with PC. > Go for a PCMCIA > > card. One that is loved by many laptop PC > musicians is the Indigo Echo > > i/o. It gives you stereo in and stereo out with > superb sound quality > > to a modest price. > > > I'd like to make clear that I was talking "wintel" > machines here. With > an apple laptop that supports firewire 800 the odds > are of course > better ;-) > > > .I can't find any cardbus interfaces that support > 4 analog > > ins/outs. > > The RME Multiface is 8 analog in/out in a little > box. You connect the > break-out box to the PCMCA card with a cable. Can be > found second hand > for a good price now because many "gear heads" think > they need the > latest thing and "upgrade". > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 06:23:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HBLic01643; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 06:21:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 06:21:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <043301c514e2$7bc74af0$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <141.3faae23f.2f44c89c@aol.com> Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:19:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <_hEetD.A.xW.f3HFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael if you're around Geneva or Lausanne (french speaking part of Switzerland) and you need a bed, drink, shower, a meal, a laugh, a ride, a B flat, a cable, a spare , a G string, a jam... ouateve' Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: ZURICH LOOPFEST > ola to all EUROLOOPERKINDERN!.....i REALLY want to come to this fest and > meet > and perhaps play with you cats but here is a problem that i face: to fly > to > ZURICH the cost is apx $1000. yet in my sunday newspaper they list flights > to > FRANKFURT for $450.....my funds are very limited yet i would like to spend > about 2 weeks in EUROPE, i have never been there and i doubt that this > chance will > come again.....what can i do?.....i am looking for suggestions, i'm pretty > much open to anything.....the CALILOOPERKINDERN will tell you that i am > somewhat > well behaved and even housebroken!.....:).....right now i'm looking for > ideas > (places to stay, gigs to play).....if nothing comes of this, i will just > try > to get to ZURICH and drive BERNHARD crazy.....:).....please respond off > list > for i will be very embarassed if everyone tells me to stay > home!.....:).....tanks!.....michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 07:55:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HCs7H14171; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:54:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:54:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050217105006.14015.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050217105006.14015.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:52:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 17, 2005, at 11:50, L. Angulo wrote: > Hey Per, > what about this new one from RME firewire seems killer > with preamps and all > http://www.rme-audio.com/english/firewire/ff800.htm > but i am quite happy with my RME multiface > cheers > Luis Hi Luis, I have only good about it. But I prefer keeping my Firewire 800 ports free for connecting external hard drives, since I'm not only looping but also doing some multichannel recording. My old Multiface uses PCI (or PCMCIA if used with a powerbook) and I can then travel with the powerbook, an external firewire 800 drive and microphone to carry out recordings instead of having to rely on others to come to my place to make recordings with me. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 08:37:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HDYXM25239; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:34:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:34:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=CyNl7/m8qpfonsC5RgTVqhsPnJbGTwWUMtKNP5ss2ubphdZ33xExjKqVxC4LSjdLCnufeCr27S2SqI+H7nIG0tywfNGrX5B4wm36OX+c5xKTNn51J0llPJ3gPZbQF8CoU5t6/+1gGws8SvR2zazJ+TmJHUCwZ8yBcbiEzs+q6SA= ; Message-ID: <20050217133349.62732.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:33:49 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, so you do have the firewire 800? I bought a SM PRO AUDIO PR-8 MARK2 and an eurorack RX 1602 pro and hooked it up to my RME multiface for a 8 input home studio purpose(unfrotunately the firewire 800 wasnt in the market then)and yes id like to get the PCMCIA along with a good laptop(thats my next step) for the same purpose as yours of recording mobile.Do you use a small external preamp with it for xlrs inputs then? cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Feb 17, 2005, at 11:50, L. Angulo wrote: > > > Hey Per, > > what about this new one from RME firewire seems > killer > > with preamps and all > > > http://www.rme-audio.com/english/firewire/ff800.htm > > but i am quite happy with my RME multiface > > cheers > > Luis > > > Hi Luis, > > I have only good about it. But I prefer keeping my > Firewire 800 ports > free for connecting external hard drives, since I'm > not only looping > but also doing some multichannel recording. My old > Multiface uses PCI > (or PCMCIA if used with a powerbook) and I can then > travel with the > powerbook, an external firewire 800 drive and > microphone to carry out > recordings instead of having to rely on others to > come to my place to > make recordings with me. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 08:50:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HDmjA29865; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:48:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:48:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <3c40a1fac03dc2664b5b621f051c45dc@newmillguitar.com> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> <007501c51490$1dec51c0$0affff0a@hppav> <3c40a1fac03dc2664b5b621f051c45dc@newmillguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <180430165f2255a1d177397f697f0c42@sccadv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: Larry - it's about MUSIC. Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:46:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry, Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you've used Finale for all this composing, couldn't you post midi files of all these compositions somewhere for us enjoy? If you like, I'll offer up a portion of my server for you to use for free. Midi files are quite small. You could convey your music to many, if not the vast majority, of the members of this list with nothing more than a midi file, and a small piece of direction to indicate your preferred instrument type(s). No, you won't have complete control of the final piece, but it's all about the composition, right? That's my offer. I'll host your midi files free of charge. If you discover some audio, I'll host that as well. At this point, it will require some bravery on your part, but what the hell. Jeff Evans On Feb 16, 2005, at 8:12 PM, Larry Cooperman wrote: > > On Feb 16, 2005, at 5:29 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >> Larry - >> >> I'm trying to engage you clearly and with focus of my time and my >> attention >> addressing your points, and you're replies are in glib, incomplete >> comments. >> Talking to you is like talking to a ghost. >> >> Post some music links, please. Others have asked too. I hope you >> have some >> to music offer. > > Will I have reams of music but if it's not put up in a predigested > form then no one will even care. I'm saying that in the old way, a > musician read and received a piece of music as written. > > I could put my music up all day long in this way and I'm just adding > to my Preparation H usage. > > I am a ghost to you guys. I don't have all of that modern > corporeality. I may have some files that I can figure out how to post > them. I do have Mac OS-X and it should do something. I'll look into > it and grab another tube of the Preparation. Funny, I use Finale > instead of pushing a pencil and all of it involves sitting on you > butt. >> >> Please tell us more about your music. You don't seem to talk about >> your >> actual music much at all. Why? What musical ideas would you like to >> share? >> Is there a musical idea you are working on now? What musical moment >> has >> been useful to you recently? What musical moment most impacted your >> life? >> Do you have some new musical motif that has captured your >> imagination? When >> do you find you do your best composing? Why do you think that is? >> When are >> you performing next? Where? > > Rautavaara, a contemporary Finnish composer has brought together all > streams of music into a unifying whole so this is the most moving > musical experience I've had recently. > > I read a lot so I am motivated by what I read. My last and longest > work Bless Me, Ultima was taken from a novel of the same name by > Rudolfo Anaya. It is a beautiful coming of age story and centers > around the culture in New Mexico that was there when Cortez arrived in > the late 16th century. Has magic. > > I'll try to get some sound files up. Unfortunately the most recent > stuff was recorded by other folks and not by me. I prefer it this way > so my recordings of my music are stored on DAT and I don't have a DAT > machine. > > Walking on the Water was inspired by Chancey Gardner's (Peter > Seller's) amazing walk across the pond in Being There. This has been > my most recorded piece. > > Right now I'm doing a set of 12 pieces called Kachinas. One of my > more recognized pieces is called The Transformations of Young Werther > inspired by Goethe's novel that help start the romantic era. It is a > 25 minute symphonic poem for solo guitar. I dedicated it to Robert > Downey Jr. because he's such a romantic guy that gets caught doing > drugs and naked. Also inspired by Kirt Corbain's suicide. Corbain > wasn't the first romantic to do this Werther made it popular. Dandies > were killing themselves in the early and late romantic period for > reasons of love and art. > > These are pieces that off the top of my head I consider the most > inspired and the rest are just pieces like in the style of this and > that with a neo as a prefix. I have written maybe over a hundred > pieces possibly two hundred. I can't remember them all. > > I have also done some backtone electric guitar work solo and with an > improvisation group called the Vortexans. I also have a similar > project called The Sports Utility Vampires (SUV) that do some sort of > post Charles Ives structural dissonance. We use gear and such, so did > the Vortexans. > > My ghostliness is just natural because I am an old fashioned musician > who likes the old ways of doing things like Finale (?). Well it's old > to me. I don't do paper but if Enron pulls another trick in > California then I'll pull out soft leaded pencils and paper. > > > Thanks for your interest and I'll see what I can do to satisfy > curiosity. > > > >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Larry Cooperman" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:06 PM >> Subject: people opinion of people >> >> >>> >>> On Feb 15, 2005, at 2:32 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >>> >>>> Larry - >>>> >>>> You have proven definitively (with the content of your reply to my >>>> e-mail to >>>> you) that you do not know me. Instead, you have made additional >>>> assumptions >>>> about me based on no real knowledge about me. This is a pity. >>> >>> there is no complete lack of knowledge here so i do know you, you're >>> on >>> the list. ain't no pity here i have no pity, like tell me, should i >>> have pity my friend. i know you love music and yourself. i mean >>> that >>> in a positive way. >>>> >>>> Your argument is that people become lost in, or blinded even, by the >>>> technology discussed on this Loopers-Delight list. So? Perhaps >>>> Loopers-Delight is a place where people gather to learn more about >>>> the >>>> capabilities of their technology, and in so doing to extend their >>>> musical >>>> capabilities? Perhaps this is a venue for people to learn? >>>> Learning >>>> is not >>>> a problem, is it? >>> >>> yep, looper's delight is the best place on the internet as far as a >>> discussion group not only because i am an asshole but because you >>> call >>> me on it but also suggest that you think i have something to say but >>> i >>> am not dainty. >>>> >>>> First, I suggest that discussion of looping technology on this >>>> looping >>>> list >>>> originally created by and associated with a website that is >>>> dedicated >>>> to >>>> looping and looping technology should not be a surprise to you. >>> >>> yep, i sure know that one bubba. >>>> >>>> When I go to Russia, it is reasonable to me that I will hear Russian >>>> spoken >>>> around me. When I read posts from Loopers-Delight, it is reasonable >>>> to me >>>> that I might read about looping technology. I'm not surprised. I >>>> may >>>> not >>>> understand a lot of what I read here. I may not be as interested in >>>> some >>>> topics as I am in others. But I'm not surprised that on an e-list >>>> created >>>> by and for looping musicians, who invariably must use technology of >>>> some >>>> sort to accomplish their looping, that discussion of technology >>>> takes >>>> place. >>> >>> you still miss my point, most of you do. let me restate it-be >>> careful >>> when giving someone advice on their music and especially if you are >>> trying to shove this music in a box. >>> >>> i know that a lot of folks here think that i am a boxer with the box >>> but i am free of all of these things. i have no boxes of music, just >>> boxes of people, so pardon me if you think i have boxed you. i ain't >>> heard your music there bubba. i try to sound like a southern person >>> when i'm talkin'. it makes this all more comfortable that i'm >>> talking >>> at cha' i am trying to be constructive here and i know there was a >>> breakdown of civility and i intentionally caused it. remember, i'm >>> an >>> asshole as some great scholar once said. >>> >>> but, and that is a big butt, this is about music and people's work. >>> a >>> person said something to another a thing that was not productive. >>> the >>> walker bros haven't listened to my cd in 7 months so some protocols >>> have been broken. >>> >>> now i need to be stroked by the bros because i did such a horrifying >>> performance and i turned it into a don rickels number with the manual >>> and all of that. i though it was great fun but i had to absolve my >>> vile performance. >>> >>> so, in human nature this causes a maladjustment in that relationship >>> and you should give advice from the perspective of that music not >>> yours. well here's what i would so is not the way you start a useful >>> critique on another's music. this is important now that i have your >>> attention. >>>> >>>> Indeed, because of this forum, I've been able to suggest and then >>>> obtain two >>>> capabilities I thought would benefit the looping technology I own. >>>> These >>>> capabilities are now part of the feature-set of the latest EDP >>>> software. >>>> So, I've used this very unique forum to shape the looping >>>> technology to >>>> better suit my musical needs. And I'm grateful to the authors of >>>> the >>>> EDP >>>> software for including my requests in their product. >>> >>> cool >>>> >>>> Second, I suspect like many here, I read and subscribe to other >>>> music >>>> related e-lists. These other lists are based around discussion of >>>> other >>>> topics. They each have their own "style" or "flavor" and to varying >>>> degrees >>>> contribute to my musical circumstances. I get musical inspiration >>>> from >>>> other places than Loopers-Delight. As we all do. >>> >>> i'm a dead serious about music mother. this is all i do i live it in >>> spite of the rest of the world, my family and my associations over >>> house cleaning and yard work to my drinkin' buddies understand me. >>> i'm >>> just a musician and some people open their mouths and it just gripes >>> me. i've messed around on this group before being an asshole but >>> this >>> kind of thing gets to me and this guy has been kicked off for a >>> while. >>> oh, please kick me off. >>> >>> i'm staying until i'm kicked off because it's the right place to be >>> kicked off of or something like that. i mean chat groups are >>> generally >>> a waste of time but this one isn't. >>>> >>>> I've been reading this list off and on since 1996. Many topics have >>>> repeated and returned over that time. Some discussions evolve and >>>> some seem >>>> to get stuck. Your premise that the Loopers-Delight email list >>>> talks >>>> about >>>> technology too much has been discussed here before. It's not >>>> important that >>>> so far you've not added anything new to the discussion. What is >>>> important >>>> is that you've raised it again. But unfortunately, your manner and >>>> style >>>> has killed the discussion before it really got started. More's the >>>> pity. >>>> Or perhaps you have another goal? >>> >>> i think you're getting on to me me by asking your question. i do >>> have >>> the goal of turning trash into a flower at this point. i've made my >>> point. >>> >>> and i did say that at loopers delight there is too much talk about >>> buttons and therefore when a musical discussion comes up, an inquiry >>> into someone's music, they often start off in a counter productive >>> manner like our friend did. we all have a little of that in us, you >>> know, that self centered how do i look sort of orientation. >>> >>> i mean, if you talk about golf all the time how you gonna talk about >>> art. you have no practice. >>> Larry Cooperman >>> New Millennium Guitar >>> http://www.newmillguitar.com >>> >> >> > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 09:02:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HE18C02105; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:01:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:01:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:50:52 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Richard Zvonar Message-id: <00ac01c514f9$19ae6940$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_f6qfMXEaaDZToJ0VVfCXvg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_f6qfMXEaaDZToJ0VVfCXvg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: ZURICH LOOPFESTI suppose Looper Island would need to be a coral atoll or an extinct volcano with a central lagoon. And we'd all cruise up and down the Mobeius Strip. Probably smoking Mobeius Strip joints. --Boundary_(ID_f6qfMXEaaDZToJ0VVfCXvg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST
I suppose Looper Island would need to be a coral atoll or an extinct volcano with a central lagoon.
 
And we'd all cruise up and down the Mobeius Strip. Probably smoking Mobeius Strip joints.
--Boundary_(ID_f6qfMXEaaDZToJ0VVfCXvg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 09:03:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HE2j902768; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:02:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:02:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502171402.j1HE26S02421@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius system requirements Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:02:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050217073228.99985.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUUwvZlLsjcol8iS7GrhNEeO2MAQQANX7yA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm yeah that happens but, it disappears pretty quickly with mine and it only happens when I switch to a track that is using a different preset. Of coarse maybe it helps that I have a gig of memory but, I only have two in and two out on my Audiophile 2496 ??? There are a few bugs I already reported that may get fixed pretty quickly but, if you all like it and report the bugs in a clear and accurate manner I bet Jeff could fix them even faster :) -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:32 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements Jeff compliments!The sofware is wonderful although still buggy keep it up man! anyway here are a couple of bugs ive come across: -In building a preset,the preset name will come up in front of the interface and i have to scale the grafic down and enlarge it to go away. -if i want to slice the loop via multiply and record end it wont react exactly in time. il keep messing with it and let you know. Thanx again!!! Luis > > While I don't care where people post, it is probably best if we move > Mobius discussion over there. I would like to thank everyone who has > expressed interest in Mobius. I thank Matthias, Eric, Andy and > everyone else involved with Loop. And I especially thank Kim for > hosting this site. If anyone feels like sending me money for Mobius, > I would ask that you first consider contributing to Looper's Delight. > Mobius would never have happened without it. > > Regards, > Jeff > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 09:20:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HEIfB08436; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:18:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:18:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:17:46 -0500 Subject: List member Todd Reynolds in LA and Berkeley with his band Ethel in late Feb. From: todd reynolds To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3191476675_8060814" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3191476675_8060814 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear Folks,=20 In the spirit of offering up our music, sheet or otherwise, I offer up a fe= w performances in the coming weeks for our west coast list members. Please know that if I had the power to, I would offer up reduced fare tix for my brethren and sistren, but I don=B9t. You may feel free to contact me to see if I have any comps left. (we usually get a few for the band), and if my own colleagues are not using theirs, I am happy to oblige. Ethel, my string quartet, will be performing in LA at the DaCamera Society on Feb. 26th and the following day at Cal State Berkeley in Hertz Hall, Feb= . 27th. Both are daytime performances and I=B9ll offer the links below for you= r digestion. We often play some of my own music, none of the live looping stuff though. Phil Kline=B9s music will be on the program. As I am originally a west coast boy, it will be nice to be home. I humbly submit that Ethel is indeed a hoot. And if you come, I would love to know that you are there... Please know that in addition to the gigs below, we=B9ll be coming back to the wilshire theater in april or may on a triple bill with Todd Rundgren and Joe Jackson, who we=B9re with for three months. Two in the states, one in europe. These two concerts however are our own and have a little more avant slant than the set we=B9ll do with JJ an= d TR... I wish you all the best, Todd Here are some links... http://www.ethelcentral.com http://www.toddreynolds.com The gigs themselves... http://www.dacamera.org/emails/ethel/ethel-1.html http://www.calperfs.berkeley.edu/presents/season/2004/20th_century_and_beyo= n d/events/ethel.php --B_3191476675_8060814 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable List member Todd Reynolds in LA and Berkeley with his band Ethel in = late Feb. Dear Folks,

In the spirit of offering up our music, sheet or otherwise, I offer up a fe= w performances in the coming weeks for our west coast list members.  Pl= ease know that if I had the power to, I would offer up reduced fare tix for = my brethren and sistren, but I don’t.  You may feel free to conta= ct me to see if I have any comps left.  (we usually get a few for the b= and), and if my own colleagues are not using theirs, I am happy to oblige. &= nbsp;



Ethel, my string quartet, will be performing in LA at the DaCamera Society = on Feb. 26th and the following day at Cal State Berkeley in Hertz Hall, Feb.= 27th.  Both are daytime performances and I’ll offer the links be= low for your digestion.  We often play some of my own music, none of th= e live looping stuff though.  Phil Kline’s music will be on the p= rogram.  As I am originally a west coast boy, it will be nice to be hom= e.

I humbly submit that Ethel is indeed a hoot.  And if you come, I would= love to know that you are there...  Please know that in addition to th= e gigs below, we’ll be coming back to the wilshire theater in april or= may on a triple bill with Todd Rundgren and Joe Jackson, who we’re wi= th for three months.  Two in the states, one in europe.  These two= concerts however are our own and have a little more avant slant than the se= t we’ll do with JJ and TR...

I wish you all the best,  Todd

Here are some links...

http://www.ethelcentral.com
http://www.toddreynolds.com

The gigs themselves...

http://www.daca= mera.org/emails/ethel/ethel-1.html
http://www.calperfs.berkeley.edu/presents/seas= on/2004/20th_century_and_beyond/events/ethel.php

 --B_3191476675_8060814-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 09:31:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HETue11497; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:29:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:29:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c514fc$d534d250$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <00ac01c514f9$19ae6940$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:27:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: ZURICH LOOPFESTFrom: Douglas Baldwin (but in 'Rich Text', so converted here): > I suppose Looper Island would need to be a coral atoll or an extinct volcano with a central lagoon. > And we'd all cruise up and down the Mobeius Strip. Probably smoking Mobeius Strip joints. Hm, the blunt that keeps on giving! :) Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com * "I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English to men, and Japanese to my horse." *- Buckaroo Banzai From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 09:36:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HEYYL12953; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:34:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:34:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:33:42 -0500 Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42145DA4.8030502@iinet.net.au> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-ZgSeD.A.9HD.PtKFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds beautiful michael. The stereo separation is a great function, eh? Really felt like I had you on three distinct channels right in front of me... T. On 2/17/05 4:02 AM, "mjnoble" wrote: > > arr, tis a beautiful thing. > > works a treat, and in testing it out I put together a quick umm, piece > of non-music sound-technology as entertainment. > > for those who want some light listening, go here: > > http://looplog.org/ooo/cheapmonkguerilla.mp3 > > (be warned, it's a 6mb file...) > > made with voice recorded thru ibook internal microphone and sooperlooper > (5 single channel loops) > > cheers > michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 10:17:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HFFBa22086; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:15:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:15:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4214B4B3.4040906@iinet.net.au> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:13:55 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey thanks for the kind response, Todd. The separation turned out surprisingly good, but it was more due to the arbitrary channel routing that Jack Audio Connection Kit allows. Just borrowed some of Eno's (On Land?) advice (L, R, L+R routing). -michael todd reynolds wrote: >Sounds beautiful michael. The stereo separation is a great function, eh? >Really felt like I had you on three distinct channels right in front of >me... > >T. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 10:18:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HFGl122420; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:16:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:16:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <180430165f2255a1d177397f697f0c42@sccadv.com> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> <007501c51490$1dec51c0$0affff0a@hppav> <3c40a1fac03dc2664b5b621f051c45dc@newmillguitar.com> <180430165f2255a1d177397f697f0c42@sccadv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1e84e9c33b4e5e6af81ff0332fca26b6@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Larry - it's about MUSIC. Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:13:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609de69f5329274a91ecb1f23d18618fbe193caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 17, 2005, at 5:46 AM, Jeff Evans wrote: > Larry, > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you've used Finale for all this > composing, couldn't you post midi files of all these compositions > somewhere for us enjoy? If you like, I'll offer up a portion of my > server for you to use for free. Jeff, I can post myself. Thanks for the offer. Yes Finale has MIDI. There is a problem with some though as to layers. If I have an accidental in one layer and the next layer uses the same note which carries the accidental in the previous layer, in the same measure, then by music nomenclature I don't have to repeat the accidental but the note plays wrong. My music is full of that kind of stuff. So if I post MIDI I will have clashing accidentals. Maybe some don't have this problem and I'll start weeding them out. I also found out last night that I can post in wav. format. Do most people have the ability to hear that? > > Midi files are quite small. You could convey your music to many, if > not the vast majority, of the members of this list with nothing more > than a midi file, and a small piece of direction to indicate your > preferred instrument type(s). No, you won't have complete control of > the final piece, but it's all about the composition, right? > > That's my offer. I'll host your midi files free of charge. If you > discover some audio, I'll host that as well. At this point, it will > require some bravery on your part, but what the hell. Bravery? How could this possibly scare me? It's just the time. I've got a business and family life. A little at a time. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 10:43:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HFeaT27425; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:40:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:40:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=V5FhW+I3S6J2KMnWBM9z9HSunDrcX8tURlzT1ZuAiPpqbJr6qLHEb+mQj+0dSPBTbu8jMX/+u1Mh4E9754aYGpe5B5dflEKC6pAiKbu2AYoqiNbRG8oG7y4NHvppgKKiSlVuCMiAL+PGkLEfSOgz0vVmdttEWLqbf15tlsmccog= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:39:16 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 3600 : link for manual? In-Reply-To: <20050217031751.8906.qmail@web41129.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050217031751.8906.qmail@web41129.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Other than the delay time, functionally all those Digitech units work the same way, so if you've got the manual for one of them, then you're set. On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:17:51 -0800 (PST), Randy Leifer wrote: > I could not find a manual on Digitech's site except > for the RDS 1000,2000,3000....TimeMachine. I'll see if > that answeres any Q's I might not be able to answer on > my own. > > If you have a link for a proper 3600 manual, I'll be > your friend forever. THX From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 10:57:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HFtgR30079; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:55:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:55:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <180430165f2255a1d177397f697f0c42@sccadv.com> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> <007501c51490$1dec51c0$0affff0a@hppav> <3c40a1fac03dc2664b5b621f051c45dc@newmillguitar.com> <180430165f2255a1d177397f697f0c42@sccadv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Larry - it's about MUSIC. Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:51:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c2609170991f29bc698e72f3291325162096da2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: <7kdFZ.A.-RH.P4LFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got one up that has no clashes in accidentals... For solo guitar called Kachina #1. Plays piano... www.newmillguitar.com/loopyread.mid From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 10:57:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HFthr30173; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:55:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:55:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <1e84e9c33b4e5e6af81ff0332fca26b6@newmillguitar.com> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> <007501c51490$1dec51c0$0affff0a@hppav> <3c40a1fac03dc2664b5b621f051c45dc@newmillguitar.com> <180430165f2255a1d177397f697f0c42@sccadv.com> <1e84e9c33b4e5e6af81ff0332fca26b6@newmillguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <34ac7c9debf2e7c96f31971a55700135@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Harrison Subject: Re: Larry - it's about MUSIC. Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:54:08 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi larry convert wav. to mp3 would result in smaller filesize to d/load/stream. kevin On Feb 17, 2005, at 15:13, Larry Cooperman wrote: > > On Feb 17, 2005, at 5:46 AM, Jeff Evans wrote: > >> Larry, >> >> Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you've used Finale for all this >> composing, couldn't you post midi files of all these compositions >> somewhere for us enjoy? If you like, I'll offer up a portion of my >> server for you to use for free. > > Jeff, > > I can post myself. Thanks for the offer. Yes Finale has MIDI. There > is a problem with some though as to layers. If I have an accidental > in one layer and the next layer uses the same note which carries the > accidental in the previous layer, in the same measure, then by music > nomenclature I don't have to repeat the accidental but the note plays > wrong. My music is full of that kind of stuff. So if I post MIDI I > will have clashing accidentals. Maybe some don't have this problem > and I'll start weeding them out. > > I also found out last night that I can post in wav. format. Do most > people have the ability to hear that? > > >> >> Midi files are quite small. You could convey your music to many, if >> not the vast majority, of the members of this list with nothing more >> than a midi file, and a small piece of direction to indicate your >> preferred instrument type(s). No, you won't have complete control of >> the final piece, but it's all about the composition, right? >> >> That's my offer. I'll host your midi files free of charge. If you >> discover some audio, I'll host that as well. At this point, it will >> require some bravery on your part, but what the hell. > > Bravery? How could this possibly scare me? It's just the time. I've > got a business and family life. A little at a time. > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 11:07:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HG5S301551; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:05:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:05:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:03:52 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Mobius bugs In-reply-to: <200502171402.j1HE26S02421@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4214C068.6060309@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <200502171402.j1HE26S02421@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alan Kroeger wrote: > Hmm yeah that happens but, it disappears pretty quickly with mine and it > only happens when I switch to a track that is using a different preset. Of > coarse maybe it helps that I have a gig of memory but, I only have two in > and two out on my Audiophile 2496 ??? This sounds like the "preset alert". This is a little popoup window that should display for a few seconds whenever the preset changes. The intent here was that during performance, changing presets with a foot controller, you would have some visible feedback about the preset you had just selected. If everyone hates it, I can easily make it go away :-) > -if i want to slice the loop via multiply and record end it wont react > exactly in time. Unrounded multiply is one of the things that requires an ASIO driver to avoid a slight skip immediately after the record end. If that is what you're hearing, it is compensating for latency but you should only hear it on the first play of the new loop. I also quantize the record end if quantize is on, I'm not sure if the EDP does this. If not I can add a parameter to disable it. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 11:07:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HG5LE01401; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:05:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:05:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4214789A.4080803@toadmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:57:30 +0000 From: Todd Pafford User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX References: <42145DA4.8030502@iinet.net.au> In-Reply-To: <42145DA4.8030502@iinet.net.au> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very cool Michael. Definitely has shades of Pink Floyd's "Several Species...." Great stereo seperation. I agree with Mr. Reynolds that it sounds like three channels in front of you. Makes it very easy to follow each of the loops individually. Great sound from that internal microphone too. Some clipping problems though. mjnoble wrote: > > arr, tis a beautiful thing. > > works a treat, and in testing it out I put together a quick umm, > piece of non-music sound-technology as entertainment. for those who > want some light listening, go here: > > http://looplog.org/ooo/cheapmonkguerilla.mp3 > > (be warned, it's a 6mb file...) > > made with voice recorded thru ibook internal microphone and > sooperlooper (5 single channel loops) > > cheers michael > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 11:08:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HG73901991; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:07:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:07:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <34ac7c9debf2e7c96f31971a55700135@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> <007501c51490$1dec51c0$0affff0a@hppav> <3c40a1fac03dc2664b5b621f051c45dc@newmillguitar.com> <180430165f2255a1d177397f697f0c42@sccadv.com> <1e84e9c33b4e5e6af81ff0332fca26b6@newmillguitar.com> <34ac7c9debf2e7c96f31971a55700135@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Larry - it's about MUSIC. Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:02:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c26098109e46f2a728a245cc849b8c598d1e1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 17, 2005, at 7:54 AM, Harrison wrote: > hi larry > > convert wav. to mp3 would result in smaller filesize to d/load/stream. > > kevin > > yellow Kevin, In OSX? I'll look. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 11:10:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HG8UR02960; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:08:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:08:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <1e84e9c33b4e5e6af81ff0332fca26b6@newmillguitar.com> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> <007501c51490$1dec51c0$0affff0a@hppav> <3c40a1fac03dc2664b5b621f051c45dc@newmillguitar.com> <180430165f2255a1d177397f697f0c42@sccadv.com> <1e84e9c33b4e5e6af81ff0332fca26b6@newmillguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <6c3ddfe8776d59b10c601ae3495fd223@sccadv.com> From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: Larry - it's about MUSIC. Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:07:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1HG7YS02335 Resent-Message-ID: <6kLiGC.A.wk.GFMFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 17, 2005, at 9:13 AM, Larry Cooperman wrote: > I also found out last night that I can post in wav. format. Do most > people have the ability to hear that? I'm a Mac user, but my understanding is that the .wav format is a Windows native, lossless medium type, comparable to AIFF. The files will be large because they're uncompressed, but any windows user will be able to play them, as well as Mac users with Quicktime - and perhaps other media players as well. So the answer is, yes, most people will be able to hear them. > Bravery? How could this possibly scare me? It's just the time. I've > got a business and family life. A little at a time. I used the word bravery because your compositions, are at least to some, now unable to stand on their own merit. Your discourse on this list has, perhaps irrevocably, biased some members of this particular audience in one direction or the other. It's a bit like jury selection. To get a fair and accurate judgement, one would have to actually find people that have never seen or heard about the White Bronco 'slowing' down the highway. I must admit, you've expanded the plausible nullification of any negative assessment from your original pre-emption "The neophyte does not have the ability to understand me" to also include "It is not my creative work that generated a negative assessment, but rather my personality". That is a pretty convenient defense strategy, intentional or otherwise, but if what you'd like is feedback on your music — the lack of which, after a 7 month pre-natal period, bore your recent paroxysm — you've effectively (at the very least potentially) removed the legitimacy of any feedback you receive. That goes for positive as well as negative feedback. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 11:19:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HGGf704763; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:16:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:16:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> <007501c51490$1dec51c0$0affff0a@hppav> <3c40a1fac03dc2664b5b621f051c45dc@newmillguitar.com> <180430165f2255a1d177397f697f0c42@sccadv.com> <1e84e9c33b4e5e6af81ff0332fca26b6@newmillguitar.com> <34ac7c9debf2e7c96f31971a55700135@dnastudio.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Larry - it's about MUSIC. Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:12:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c26098109e46f2a728a2497fd3185c1f437f8667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I got it Kevin, I'm messing around with it in an hour so I can post by noon maybe, Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 11:32:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HGTTe06903; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:29:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:29:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502171628.j1HGSkS06683@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius bugs Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:28:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <4214C068.6060309@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUVCoesViugj87TTU6Fd8/m7apl9AAAnuxg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I actually like it and a lot of the other indicators they are great for indicating what state Mobius is operating in but, I don't know if this is a video hardware issue Luis was talking about or just a general dislike of the effect? Maybe just make the message appear smaller and not over the top of some other status indicators for slower video cards? How about a menu config item for show/hide preset status indicator????? -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius bugs Alan Kroeger wrote: > Hmm yeah that happens but, it disappears pretty quickly with mine and > it only happens when I switch to a track that is using a different > preset. Of coarse maybe it helps that I have a gig of memory but, I > only have two in and two out on my Audiophile 2496 ??? This sounds like the "preset alert". This is a little popoup window that should display for a few seconds whenever the preset changes. The intent here was that during performance, changing presets with a foot controller, you would have some visible feedback about the preset you had just selected. If everyone hates it, I can easily make it go away :-) > -if i want to slice the loop via multiply and record end it wont react > exactly in time. Unrounded multiply is one of the things that requires an ASIO driver to avoid a slight skip immediately after the record end. If that is what you're hearing, it is compensating for latency but you should only hear it on the first play of the new loop. I also quantize the record end if quantize is on, I'm not sure if the EDP does this. If not I can add a parameter to disable it. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 11:49:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HGljM10958; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:47:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:47:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <6c3ddfe8776d59b10c601ae3495fd223@sccadv.com> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> <007501c51490$1dec51c0$0affff0a@hppav> <3c40a1fac03dc2664b5b621f051c45dc@newmillguitar.com> <180430165f2255a1d177397f697f0c42@sccadv.com> <1e84e9c33b4e5e6af81ff0332fca26b6@newmillguitar.com> <6c3ddfe8776d59b10c601ae3495fd223@sccadv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Larry - it's about MUSIC. Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:44:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c26097f8c49abe613ebf375b417b72241547da7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1HGkkS10531 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 17, 2005, at 8:07 AM, Jeff Evans wrote: > > On Feb 17, 2005, at 9:13 AM, Larry Cooperman wrote: > >> I also found out last night that I can post in wav. format. Do most >> people have the ability to hear that? > I'm a Mac user, but my understanding is that the .wav format is a > Windows native, lossless medium type, comparable to AIFF. The files > will be large because they're uncompressed, but any windows user will > be able to play them, as well as Mac users with Quicktime - and > perhaps other media players as well. So the answer is, yes, most > people will be able to hear them. I found the conversion and will post. > >> Bravery? How could this possibly scare me? It's just the time. >> I've got a business and family life. A little at a time. > I used the word bravery because your compositions, are at least to > some, now unable to stand on their own merit. Your discourse on this > list has, perhaps irrevocably, biased some members of this particular > audience in one direction or the other. No body over here cares. I'm doing it for you because you asked. If other people bother to listen and comment that OK too. > It's a bit like jury selection. To get a fair and accurate judgement, > one would have to actually find people that have never seen or heard > about the White Bronco 'slowing' down the highway. Silly people most of you are. > > I must admit, you've expanded the plausible nullification of any > negative assessment from your original pre-emption "The neophyte does > not have the ability to understand me" to also include "It is not my > creative work that generated a negative assessment, but rather my > personality". I didn't say that wouldn't understand my music which is pretty accessible but they just mull around when making assessments of some music, even their own, because they have no perspective. general statement but fits some. technology has made music makers out of nose pickers. it's their jobs to get their fingers out of their noses. my personality is fit for what i do and has been the dominant personality of those in the same biz that have preceded me. can be abrasive but it works for me. > That is a pretty convenient defense strategy, intentional or > otherwise, but if what you'd like is feedback on your music — the > lack of which, after a 7 month pre-natal period, bore your recent > paroxysm — you've effectively (at the very least potentially) removed > the legitimacy of any feedback you receive. That goes for positive as > well as negative feedback. as i said you're not dealing with a guy who even cares. so at this point i say i won't post anymore. all of you intellectuals trying to analyze me all i have to say is i/m and old fashioned guy who loves music and not technology. i could really care less about your opinions although i wish all of you would grow up in art and quit this bullshit. so since i've removed all legitimate feedback and i don't care then i'm gone. > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 11:56:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HGqTh12410; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:52:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:52:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Larry - it's about MUSIC. Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:49:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c51510$b2de4ba0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <180430165f2255a1d177397f697f0c42@sccadv.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 86, in=196, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are using Finale 2005, you'll have both the SoundFonts (which generate much better quality output) and the ability to export to wav file, which can be converted to MP3. I've done all of this on my version of Finale. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Evans [mailto:jeff@sccadv.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Larry - it's about MUSIC. Larry, Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you've used Finale for all this composing, couldn't you post midi files of all these compositions somewhere for us enjoy? If you like, I'll offer up a portion of my server for you to use for free. Midi files are quite small. You could convey your music to many, if not the vast majority, of the members of this list with nothing more than a midi file, and a small piece of direction to indicate your preferred instrument type(s). No, you won't have complete control of the final piece, but it's all about the composition, right? That's my offer. I'll host your midi files free of charge. If you discover some audio, I'll host that as well. At this point, it will require some bravery on your part, but what the hell. Jeff Evans On Feb 16, 2005, at 8:12 PM, Larry Cooperman wrote: > > On Feb 16, 2005, at 5:29 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >> Larry - >> >> I'm trying to engage you clearly and with focus of my time and my >> attention >> addressing your points, and you're replies are in glib, incomplete >> comments. >> Talking to you is like talking to a ghost. >> >> Post some music links, please. Others have asked too. I hope you >> have some >> to music offer. > > Will I have reams of music but if it's not put up in a predigested > form then no one will even care. I'm saying that in the old way, a > musician read and received a piece of music as written. > > I could put my music up all day long in this way and I'm just adding > to my Preparation H usage. > > I am a ghost to you guys. I don't have all of that modern > corporeality. I may have some files that I can figure out how to post > them. I do have Mac OS-X and it should do something. I'll look into > it and grab another tube of the Preparation. Funny, I use Finale > instead of pushing a pencil and all of it involves sitting on you > butt. >> >> Please tell us more about your music. You don't seem to talk about >> your >> actual music much at all. Why? What musical ideas would you like to >> share? >> Is there a musical idea you are working on now? What musical moment >> has >> been useful to you recently? What musical moment most impacted your >> life? >> Do you have some new musical motif that has captured your >> imagination? When >> do you find you do your best composing? Why do you think that is? >> When are >> you performing next? Where? > > Rautavaara, a contemporary Finnish composer has brought together all > streams of music into a unifying whole so this is the most moving > musical experience I've had recently. > > I read a lot so I am motivated by what I read. My last and longest > work Bless Me, Ultima was taken from a novel of the same name by > Rudolfo Anaya. It is a beautiful coming of age story and centers > around the culture in New Mexico that was there when Cortez arrived in > the late 16th century. Has magic. > > I'll try to get some sound files up. Unfortunately the most recent > stuff was recorded by other folks and not by me. I prefer it this way > so my recordings of my music are stored on DAT and I don't have a DAT > machine. > > Walking on the Water was inspired by Chancey Gardner's (Peter > Seller's) amazing walk across the pond in Being There. This has been > my most recorded piece. > > Right now I'm doing a set of 12 pieces called Kachinas. One of my > more recognized pieces is called The Transformations of Young Werther > inspired by Goethe's novel that help start the romantic era. It is a > 25 minute symphonic poem for solo guitar. I dedicated it to Robert > Downey Jr. because he's such a romantic guy that gets caught doing > drugs and naked. Also inspired by Kirt Corbain's suicide. Corbain > wasn't the first romantic to do this Werther made it popular. Dandies > were killing themselves in the early and late romantic period for > reasons of love and art. > > These are pieces that off the top of my head I consider the most > inspired and the rest are just pieces like in the style of this and > that with a neo as a prefix. I have written maybe over a hundred > pieces possibly two hundred. I can't remember them all. > > I have also done some backtone electric guitar work solo and with an > improvisation group called the Vortexans. I also have a similar > project called The Sports Utility Vampires (SUV) that do some sort of > post Charles Ives structural dissonance. We use gear and such, so did > the Vortexans. > > My ghostliness is just natural because I am an old fashioned musician > who likes the old ways of doing things like Finale (?). Well it's old > to me. I don't do paper but if Enron pulls another trick in > California then I'll pull out soft leaded pencils and paper. > > > Thanks for your interest and I'll see what I can do to satisfy > curiosity. > > > >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Larry Cooperman" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:06 PM >> Subject: people opinion of people >> >> >>> >>> On Feb 15, 2005, at 2:32 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >>> >>>> Larry - >>>> >>>> You have proven definitively (with the content of your reply to my >>>> e-mail to >>>> you) that you do not know me. Instead, you have made additional >>>> assumptions about me based on no real knowledge about me. This is >>>> a pity. >>> >>> there is no complete lack of knowledge here so i do know you, you're >>> on >>> the list. ain't no pity here i have no pity, like tell me, should i >>> have pity my friend. i know you love music and yourself. i mean >>> that >>> in a positive way. >>>> >>>> Your argument is that people become lost in, or blinded even, by >>>> the technology discussed on this Loopers-Delight list. So? >>>> Perhaps Loopers-Delight is a place where people gather to learn >>>> more about the capabilities of their technology, and in so doing to >>>> extend their musical >>>> capabilities? Perhaps this is a venue for people to learn? >>>> Learning >>>> is not >>>> a problem, is it? >>> >>> yep, looper's delight is the best place on the internet as far as a >>> discussion group not only because i am an asshole but because you >>> call me on it but also suggest that you think i have something to >>> say but i >>> am not dainty. >>>> >>>> First, I suggest that discussion of looping technology on this >>>> looping >>>> list >>>> originally created by and associated with a website that is >>>> dedicated >>>> to >>>> looping and looping technology should not be a surprise to you. >>> >>> yep, i sure know that one bubba. >>>> >>>> When I go to Russia, it is reasonable to me that I will hear >>>> Russian spoken around me. When I read posts from Loopers-Delight, >>>> it is reasonable to me >>>> that I might read about looping technology. I'm not surprised. I >>>> may >>>> not >>>> understand a lot of what I read here. I may not be as interested in >>>> some >>>> topics as I am in others. But I'm not surprised that on an e-list >>>> created >>>> by and for looping musicians, who invariably must use technology of >>>> some >>>> sort to accomplish their looping, that discussion of technology >>>> takes >>>> place. >>> >>> you still miss my point, most of you do. let me restate it-be >>> careful >>> when giving someone advice on their music and especially if you are >>> trying to shove this music in a box. >>> >>> i know that a lot of folks here think that i am a boxer with the box >>> but i am free of all of these things. i have no boxes of music, >>> just boxes of people, so pardon me if you think i have boxed you. i >>> ain't heard your music there bubba. i try to sound like a southern >>> person when i'm talkin'. it makes this all more comfortable that >>> i'm talking at cha' i am trying to be constructive here and i know >>> there was a breakdown of civility and i intentionally caused it. >>> remember, i'm an >>> asshole as some great scholar once said. >>> >>> but, and that is a big butt, this is about music and people's work. >>> a >>> person said something to another a thing that was not productive. >>> the >>> walker bros haven't listened to my cd in 7 months so some protocols >>> have been broken. >>> >>> now i need to be stroked by the bros because i did such a horrifying >>> performance and i turned it into a don rickels number with the >>> manual and all of that. i though it was great fun but i had to >>> absolve my vile performance. >>> >>> so, in human nature this causes a maladjustment in that relationship >>> and you should give advice from the perspective of that music not >>> yours. well here's what i would so is not the way you start a >>> useful critique on another's music. this is important now that i >>> have your attention. >>>> >>>> Indeed, because of this forum, I've been able to suggest and then >>>> obtain two capabilities I thought would benefit the looping >>>> technology I own. These >>>> capabilities are now part of the feature-set of the latest EDP >>>> software. >>>> So, I've used this very unique forum to shape the looping >>>> technology to >>>> better suit my musical needs. And I'm grateful to the authors of >>>> the >>>> EDP >>>> software for including my requests in their product. >>> >>> cool >>>> >>>> Second, I suspect like many here, I read and subscribe to other >>>> music >>>> related e-lists. These other lists are based around discussion of >>>> other >>>> topics. They each have their own "style" or "flavor" and to varying >>>> degrees >>>> contribute to my musical circumstances. I get musical inspiration >>>> from >>>> other places than Loopers-Delight. As we all do. >>> >>> i'm a dead serious about music mother. this is all i do i live it >>> in spite of the rest of the world, my family and my associations >>> over house cleaning and yard work to my drinkin' buddies understand me. >>> i'm >>> just a musician and some people open their mouths and it just gripes >>> me. i've messed around on this group before being an asshole but >>> this >>> kind of thing gets to me and this guy has been kicked off for a >>> while. >>> oh, please kick me off. >>> >>> i'm staying until i'm kicked off because it's the right place to be >>> kicked off of or something like that. i mean chat groups are >>> generally a waste of time but this one isn't. >>>> >>>> I've been reading this list off and on since 1996. Many topics >>>> have repeated and returned over that time. Some discussions evolve >>>> and some seem to get stuck. Your premise that the Loopers-Delight >>>> email list talks >>>> about >>>> technology too much has been discussed here before. It's not >>>> important that >>>> so far you've not added anything new to the discussion. What is >>>> important >>>> is that you've raised it again. But unfortunately, your manner and >>>> style >>>> has killed the discussion before it really got started. More's the >>>> pity. >>>> Or perhaps you have another goal? >>> >>> i think you're getting on to me me by asking your question. i do >>> have >>> the goal of turning trash into a flower at this point. i've made my >>> point. >>> >>> and i did say that at loopers delight there is too much talk about >>> buttons and therefore when a musical discussion comes up, an inquiry >>> into someone's music, they often start off in a counter productive >>> manner like our friend did. we all have a little of that in us, you >>> know, that self centered how do i look sort of orientation. >>> >>> i mean, if you talk about golf all the time how you gonna talk about >>> art. you have no practice. Larry Cooperman >>> New Millennium Guitar >>> http://www.newmillguitar.com >>> >> >> > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 12:28:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HHQvl22007; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:26:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> <007501c51490$1dec51c0$0affff0a@hppav> <3c40a1fac03dc2664b5b621f051c45dc@newmillguitar.com> <180430165f2255a1d177397f697f0c42@sccadv.com> <1e84e9c33b4e5e6af81ff0332fca26b6@newmillguitar.com> <6c3ddfe8776d59b10c601ae3495fd223@sccadv.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:24:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Larry - it's about MUSIC. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:44 AM -0800 2/17/05, Larry Cooperman wrote: >No body over here cares. You don't know that. >all of you intellectuals trying to analyze me all i have to say is >i/m and old fashioned guy who loves music and not technology. Evident from your Y2K4 performance. >i could really care less about your opinions although i wish all of >you would grow up in art and quit this bullshit. Sigh. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 12:30:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HHQcT21872; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:26:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:26:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1e84e9c33b4e5e6af81ff0332fca26b6@newmillguitar.com> References: <20050214182813.15103.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <5e9ddd5fef0c0762941c37afd4ef3adc@newmillguitar.com> <004101c51300$7470bb80$2aa8a344@hppav> <001a01c513ae$329526c0$b1c8a344@hppav> <007501c51490$1dec51c0$0affff0a@hppav> <3c40a1fac03dc2664b5b621f051c45dc@newmillguitar.com> <180430165f2255a1d177397f697f0c42@sccadv.com> <1e84e9c33b4e5e6af81ff0332fca26b6@newmillguitar.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:20:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Larry - it's about MUSIC. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:13 AM -0800 2/17/05, Larry Cooperman wrote: >There is a problem with some though as to layers. If I have an >accidental in one layer and the next layer uses the same note which >carries the accidental in the previous layer, in the same measure, >then by music nomenclature I don't have to repeat the accidental but >the note plays wrong. My music is full of that kind of stuff. So >if I post MIDI I will have clashing accidentals. Maybe some don't >have this problem and I'll start weeding them out. I hope you've reported this bug. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 13:05:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HI45P30237; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:04:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:04:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4214DC86.3020204@neoprimitive.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:03:50 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements References: <004001c51492$4d98fde0$0200a8c0@honcho> <82b186f73e93af18ddf9a893f27ebea1@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <82b186f73e93af18ddf9a893f27ebea1@boysen.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79281564f61a91e3b1d899ce86740662a6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The RME Multiface is 8 analog in/out in a little box. You connect the > break-out box to the PCMCA card with a cable. RME is also one of the few audio hardware companies that actually provide enough information for the Linux community to write decent drivers for their interfaces. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 13:14:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HIDSe32349; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:13:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:13:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502171813.j1HID2S32179@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: Yes let's do discuss music (was)RE: it's about MUSIC. Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:13:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUVFem+rjl2L10KS2+eUD7WlEdQPgABWgQw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah let's leave Larry to his misery and discuss some music Any of you out there ever hear or listen to any Jef Lee Johnson he is a pretty interesting guitarist/singer/composer he doesn't do any 'live looping' but, a number of cuts off of his last two albums use a lot of programmed loops. It would be kinda cool if he actually took up looping his modernized Blues/RnB/Hip hop style would be intersting. I have one album of his which is partly a Live performance at the knitting factory plus some studio programming/mixing quite intersting he reminds me a bit of Gary Lucas only with a Blues take to it. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Larry - it's about MUSIC. At 8:44 AM -0800 2/17/05, Larry Cooperman wrote: >No body over here cares. You don't know that. >all of you intellectuals trying to analyze me all i have to say is i/m >and old fashioned guy who loves music and not technology. Evident from your Y2K4 performance. >i could really care less about your opinions although i wish all of you >would grow up in art and quit this bullshit. Sigh. -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 13:16:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HIEkE32731; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:14:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:14:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502171814.j1HIEFS32497@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius system requirements Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:14:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <4214DC86.3020204@neoprimitive.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUVGygKfoMI3tfOT4CehIWa++vYLgAATWpw Resent-Message-ID: <_Z-lCB.A.D8H.37NFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That is very true a friend of mine who does sound programming for games swears by these. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements > The RME Multiface is 8 analog in/out in a little box. You connect the > break-out box to the PCMCA card with a cable. RME is also one of the few audio hardware companies that actually provide enough information for the Linux community to write decent drivers for their interfaces. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 13:25:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HINx702345; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:23:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:23:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:23:27 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Mobius crash on Windows 2000, are scripts useful? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4214E11F.803@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We've determined the reason Mobius crashes on Windows 2000. Go to the installation directory and delete or rename the file "init.scr", it should run after that. This is the initialization script, which actually does nothing so you don't need it. I'm baffled as to why this is sensitive to the OS version. While I'm bothering everyone, I would be interested in knowing how people feel about the concept of scripts. A script is essentially a list of functions you want performed at specific times, for example: Preset 1 set quantize subcycle Record Wait Record Wait Cycle Insert Wait 2000 msecs Insert What this says is, select preset 1 then override the quantize setting to subcycle. Start a recording, then wait for the next Record function which ends the recording. Then wait for one cycle and perform an Insert. Wait 2 seconds and perform another insert. Scripts can be then be bound to keys or MIDI events. I developed this primarily for testing and to implement "macros" to initialize Mobius in a certain way. But it could be interesting in performance if you have pieces that follow a regular structure. You can pause and resume a script if you want to go off on your own for awhile. I don't say much about this in the manual, but if anyone is interested in exploring this I'll send you more information. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 13:38:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HIc0d05598; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:38:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:38:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <200502171813.j1HID2S32179@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502171813.j1HID2S32179@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Yes let's do discuss music (was)RE: it's about MUSIC. Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:34:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: ad7bcdcbac2bc0dc0446c3d88f31f8dd239a348a220c26095ecb7cf72bf136ad19eec784c324978b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.228.13.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 17, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Yeah let's leave Larry to his misery and discuss some music I'll have no misery now that I am off of the list. i have respect for some of you but for others, as musicians, absolutely none. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 13:48:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HIjmV07673; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:45:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:45:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201c51520$d062f490$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <200502171813.j1HID2S32179@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Yes let's do discuss music (was)RE: it's about MUSIC. Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:45:12 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <-35YNC.A.Z1B.AZOFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stop this please................. I prefer some spam e.mails than this ! fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Cooperman" To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Yes let's do discuss music (was)RE: it's about MUSIC. > > On Feb 17, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > > > Yeah let's leave Larry to his misery and discuss some music > > I'll have no misery now that I am off of the list. i have respect for > some of you but for others, as musicians, absolutely none. > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 13:48:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HIk6v07838; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:46:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:46:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:42:06 -0500 From: Adrian Likins To: Jesse Chappell Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Message-ID: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 12:33:12AM -0500, Jesse Chappell wrote: > To keep the software looper excitement level high around here, I've > decided it is time to release a beta version of SooperLooper for Mac > OS X. > > http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ > > SooperLooper is a live looping sampler capable of immediate loop > recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows > for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your > computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was > inspired by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). When > used with a low-latency audio configuration it is capable of truly > realtime live performance looping. > Great work! Some nice new features since last time I tried it. > This software is licensed under the GPL, thus the source code is free, > open and available. Because of this there will always be someone > around who can fix any problems, or add new features even if something > happened to me. You are welcome to copy it, give copies to your friends, > and modify it. But if you find it useful, then please consider making > a donation. > Thanks for making it open source, btw. It's really nice to see tools designed for making music/art being open source. > Please don't hesitate to give me feedback, and have fun.... Only oddness I noticed, and I can't remember if earlier versions did the same or not, is that if your in overdub mode, you dont hear the results of the overdub untill you leave overdub mode. Adrian http://www.phasmatodea.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 13:52:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HIpsX09154; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:51:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:51:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502171850.j1HIosS08989@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Yes let's do discuss music (was)RE: it's about MUSIC. Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:50:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUVH9wN0SSWlGvmTAmVxDooJDB3CAAAPTEQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Personally I wouldn't leave if there is something besides arguing with folks to be gotten here and for me there usually is even if some topics don't interest me at all. There is invariably at least one gem of a topic or an announcement per month mostly more. What keeps me around here is just that 'It is more then an EDP/Looper list so, again I wouldn't go if it were me being bashed I would just ignore it and maybe lurk a bit. I could have just as easily have said "Let's leave Larry alone" rather then "Let's leave Larry to his misery" just the semantic I chose at that moment... -----Original Message----- From: Larry Cooperman [mailto:coop@newmillguitar.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yes let's do discuss music (was)RE: it's about MUSIC. On Feb 17, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Yeah let's leave Larry to his misery and discuss some music I'll have no misery now that I am off of the list. i have respect for some of you but for others, as musicians, absolutely none. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 14:10:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HJ8Ji13537; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:08:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:08:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:07:06 EST Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b9.51d2fb60.2f46455a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b9.51d2fb60.2f46455a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/17/05 1:59:43 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > Send him funds to enable him to invade Europe > my heart sings (loops) with joy at all of the nice things everyone has said.....but i really don't want anyone, you included tedzo!!!!! to send me money.....feed me, water me, entertain me, put me to bed, save me from all of the countless young beautiful gypsie women yes! money no!......(send me your INEKOS and BITRMANS).....i'm off to get a map and see what i can put together.....SO MANY OFFERS!.....yikes!.....perhaps i'll move accross the pond until we get LOOPER ISLAND together.....ahhh but pittsburgh needs me to continue carrying the flag of looping to the masses and yet "a profit (as well as a loss) in not welcome in his own land".....sigh!.....:).....BIG BIG THANKS to everyone for all of the kindness and support.....your humble FOLKLOOPERKINDER michael --part1_b9.51d2fb60.2f46455a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/17/05 1:59:43 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


Send him funds to enable him to= invade Europe


my heart sings (loops) with joy at all of the nice things everyone has said.= ....but i really don't want anyone, you included tedzo!!!!! to send me money= .....feed me, water me, entertain me, put me to bed, save me from all of the= countless young beautiful gypsie women yes! money no!......(send me your IN= EKOS and BITRMANS).....i'm off to get a map and see what i can put together.= ....SO MANY OFFERS!.....yikes!.....perhaps i'll move accross the pond until=20= we get LOOPER ISLAND together.....ahhh but pittsburgh needs me to continue c= arrying the flag of looping to the masses and yet  "a profit (as well=20= as a loss) in not welcome in his own land".....sigh!.....:).....BIG BIG THAN= KS to everyone for all of the kindness and support.....your humble FOLKLOOPE= RKINDER michael --part1_b9.51d2fb60.2f46455a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 14:12:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HJB4s14516; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:11:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:11:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-14634-1108667432-0001-2" Message-Id: <4214EC2D.00005F.02564@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:10:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yes let's do discuss music (was)RE: it's about MUSIC. X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-14634-1108667432-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-14634-1108667432-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-14634-1108667432-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0D how will i ever get over your disappointment in me? =0D =0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 02/17/05 10:37:30=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: Yes let's do discuss music (was)RE: it's about MUSIC.=0D =0D On Feb 17, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Alan Kroeger wrote:=0D =0D > Yeah let's leave Larry to his misery and discuss some music=0D =0D I'll have no misery now that I am off of the list. i have respect for=0D some of you but for others, as musicians, absolutely none.=0D Larry Cooperman=0D New Millennium Guitar=0D http://www.newmillguitar.com=0D =20 --=_flawless.real.com-14634-1108667432-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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  how will i ever get over yo= ur disappointment in me?
 
 
Date: 02/17/05 10:= 37:30
Subject: Re: Yes l= et's do discuss music (was)RE: it's about MUSIC.
 
On Feb 17, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Alan Kroeger wrote:
 
> Yeah let's leave Larry to his misery and discuss some music
 
I'll have no misery now that I am off of the list.  i have= respect for
some of you but for others, as musicians, absolutely none.
Larry Cooperman
New Millennium Guitar
 
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References: <200502171813.j1HID2S32179@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797c8715d589d58198ac79405320c61cfd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry Cooperman wrote: > I'll have no misery now that I am off of the list. i have respect for > some of you but for others, as musicians, absolutely none. Please stop sending so many messages saying how you're off the list, and just get off it already. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 14:30:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HJSTF17928; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:28:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:28:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=be7kBsNno2XdV0frewL0kvYrwDZAF6qgldO8NUiTY0QwHBNAupV42FtGs5DVXf2VvBbqf98cB6y2m9TcVuvJzUHA15yc875sJx+GnA3IsoUy4hCUvlr3xm1ux96fKE6UkK7UQo2RAZce1+yR/5YJnOjMhx9mlnU+oTjF74tU3ps= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:26:32 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: alikins@redhat.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:42:06 -0500, Adrian Likins wrote: > Only oddness I noticed, and I can't remember if > earlier versions did the same or not, is that if your in > overdub mode, you dont hear the results of the overdub untill > you leave overdub mode. This is definitely not normal, and I've never seen this on any platform. What platform were you running on? Any settings in SL you have adjusted? jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 14:35:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HJXaA19455; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:33:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:33:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.253.24] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001201c514fc$d534d250$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:32:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2005 19:33:03.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F540DD0:01C51527] Resent-Message-ID: <4VJWLC.A.-sE.2FPFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don;t think there are extinct volcanos,just dormant ones. extinct volcano with a central lagoon. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 14:37:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HJa7f20300; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:36:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:36:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:35:31 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Yes let's do discuss music (was)RE: it's about MUSIC. In-reply-to: <4214EC2D.00005F.02564@A7V266E-XP-USER> To: Sony Felberg Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4214F203.30905@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <4214EC2D.00005F.02564@A7V266E-XP-USER> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sony Felberg wrote: > > > how will i ever get over your disappointment in me? I think we're all going to need time to heal. Remember, it's ok to cry. Just let it out. For myself, the medication seems to be working nicely. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 14:44:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HJg9Q21945; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:42:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:42:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:38:42 -0500 From: Adrian Likins To: Jesse Chappell Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Message-ID: <20050217193842.GC3054@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 02:26:32PM -0500, Jesse Chappell wrote: > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:42:06 -0500, Adrian Likins wrote: > > > Only oddness I noticed, and I can't remember if > > earlier versions did the same or not, is that if your in > > overdub mode, you dont hear the results of the overdub untill > > you leave overdub mode. > > This is definitely not normal, and I've never seen this on any > platform. What platform were you running on? Any settings in SL you > have adjusted? This was on osx. Could be user error, I was doing just about everything wrong I possibly could fiddling with it[1]. I'll give it a shot again tonight and see whats up. I didn't recall ever seeing that behaviour before, so I'll double check and verify thats what I'm seeing. [1] one apparently recently dead m-audio 2x2, one flaky midi cable, one flaky power cable, and more user error than I'd care to admit. Adrian http://www.phasmatodea.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 15:01:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HJx8f27209; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:59:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:59:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=QwFOPkPI2fN8ENyJac5HaWQEgh6LegVChZwbpNal0ZfSMUcJU4RxQpQEzeDb+sMIK+oRpSzSMop7eag7EEJkWS2lxDAezngfB9TQ2cTnjjps/pReYtGejXQz68Ln3Qx1X7ofbZuu5n80HYwcykGX3aObYHh/KLDPweOwbkvlCto= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:58:36 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: alikins@redhat.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050217193842.GC3054@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> <20050217193842.GC3054@redhat.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:38:42 -0500, Adrian Likins wrote: > > > Only oddness I noticed, and I can't remember if > > > earlier versions did the same or not, is that if your in > > > overdub mode, you dont hear the results of the overdub untill > > > you leave overdub mode. > > > > This is definitely not normal, and I've never seen this on any > > platform. What platform were you running on? Any settings in SL you > > have adjusted? > > This was on osx. Could be user error, I was doing just about > everything wrong I possibly could fiddling with it[1]. I'll give > it a shot again tonight and see whats up. I didn't recall ever > seeing that behaviour before, so I'll double check and verify thats > what I'm seeing. It sounds like you might have been doing a Multiply "accidentally" :) jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 15:17:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HKET230399; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:14:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:14:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.253.24] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sounds from Space Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:12:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2005 20:13:01.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[14829160:01C5152D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These are the "sounds of space" collected by U Iowa instruments on various spacecraft From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 15:23:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HKLFK32123; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:21:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:21:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050217133349.62732.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050217133349.62732.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius system requirements Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:20:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 17, 2005, at 14:33, L. Angulo wrote: > wow, so you do have the firewire 800? Yes. The 15" Powerbook has one FW800 port. > I bought a SM PRO AUDIO PR-8 MARK2 and an eurorack RX > 1602 pro and hooked it up to my RME multiface for a 8 > input home studio purpose(unfrotunately the firewire > 800 wasnt in the market then)and yes id like to get > the PCMCIA along with a good laptop(thats my next > step) for the same purpose as yours of recording > mobile.Do you use a small external preamp with it for > xlrs inputs then? > cheers > Luis Yes. I have a really good one for mono recordings, like vocals or sax. It's PreSonus VXP with a good built in compression and gate/expander (inexpensive second hand buy). It brings out the best sound of my mic, a AKG C414 B-TL 2. However, the best thing with the PreSonus mic pre-amp is not the sound quality, it's the compression that makes the musician sing/play more expressive. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 15:32:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HKUDe01443; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:30:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:30:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ODP2p/5j0uoym7HscPO4D1TUhsmI1c26diM38QfJ5ozqKkQa6OrZzuNbTZZKfCfr5XXzCJYIGy3+mZxQnjJhE1p2EDLBrJDf1waxkTshUQQELDokwgilGC+VFfL/ANCYgdOwGNpIzA6st33qpyFSPfACk44f0GOcbpv14rTlQP4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:29:20 -0600 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sounds from Space In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny, the first clip I listened to sounded like something I made in the Electronic Music Studios at the University of Iowa while a grad student there....hmmm... Speaking of my alma mater, they have something that's antithetical to everything this group stands for: an anechoic chamber. The year after I left, they began a project of recording instrument samples in the anechoic chamber. You can find more info (as well as the samples) at: http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/index.html Enjoy. -Jon Southwood On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:12:10 -0800, samba - wrote: > > These are the "sounds of space" collected by U Iowa instruments on various > spacecraft > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 15:50:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HKmY604357; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:48:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:48:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:46:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Sounds from Space From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8re_ED.A.7_.pLQFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > These are the "sounds of space" collected by U Iowa instruments on various > spacecraft > > wonder if they were usin SM57s up there? s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 16:24:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HLM8d10507; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:22:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:22:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42150BA9.40609@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:24:57 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #412 for February 10, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050210.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. Show #412 February 10, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Klause Schulze's Deluxe Edition reissues from InsideOut Music. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Le Moulin De Daudet." The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Dreamtime Return" by Steve Roach on Fortuna Records released in 1988. Klause Schulze - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#feb PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ 11:00 pm Steve Roach The Ancient Day Dreamtime Return (Fortuna) Arcane Dr. Wutzke's Psychedelic 33 1/3 RPM (NeuHarmony) Wonder Machine Sherpa Hat Where Do We Begin? demo CDR (none) Hammock Miles To Go Before Sleep Kenotic (none) Darshan Ambient Man in the Window Autumn's Apple (Lotuspike) Ben Cox Merganser On Water (Lotuspike) Klaus Schulze The Beginning/The Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Delegates Klaus Schulze Mother Sadness Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze The Loss of the Factory Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze The Youth Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Friday's Departure Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze The Mill of Maitre Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Cornille Klaus Schulze Maitre Cornille in the Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Fields Klaus Schulze Folk Dance Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze The Discovery of Maitre Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Cornille's Secret Klaus Schulze Joy of Maitre Cornille/ Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Garden Youth (Reprise) 12:00 am Klaus Schulze Landscape/Way to the Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Old People Klaus Schulze Old People's Piano Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Ole People's Farewell Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Exodus Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Le Petit Dauphin I Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Le Petit Dauphin II Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze First Church Sequence Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Second Church Sequence Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) & Organ Klaus Schulze St. Pierre Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Paradise & Inferno Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Finale Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze The Ion Perspective Le Moulin De Daudet (InsideOut) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Klause Schulze Deluxe Edition reissues put out on InsideOut Records. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Dreams." The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Shadows of Light" by the Nightcrawlers on Synkronos Records from 1987. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 16:29:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HLR9o11781; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:27:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:27:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.253.24] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: abletonhelp needed in SF $35 hr Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:24:23 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2005 21:25:00.0832 (UTC) FILETIME=[233A1200:01C51537] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com reply to beginner needs one on one help. Must be able to TEACH step by step,give homework,some instrument experience a pluss! In San Francisco. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 16:40:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HLcka14041; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:38:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:38:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <790fd3764cec0152c597c6a3644b9abf@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:37:53 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 17, 2005, at 6:33, Jesse Chappell wrote: > To keep the software looper excitement level high around here, I've > decided it is time to release a beta version of SooperLooper for Mac > OS X. That's really cool! I tried it very briefly today and everything worked fine with jack. I did not get the time to try out to stream audio from SooperLooper, through Jack, into Ableton Live.... but I guess that would work just fine. The benefit would be that you could then use the nice reverb of Live and also some Pluggo's. I didn't have time to try multiple loops but from reading the "read me" file I have it should be no problem. Really exciting, I must say! I like it a lot. In fact I succeeded in killing my audio PC last year when trying to re-mould it into a Linux box (oh well, the wreckage probably had other causes....). Anyway, I was looping like crazy with SL and it only used 4 percent of this Powerbooks CPU recourses. That had me thinking that I could try it together with Live 4, just using Live as a shell for reverb and some Pluggo effect. Oops, already said that. Nuff said.., Thanks Jesse! Oh yes, just hit my mind! I miss the option to assign a midi foot pedal to the 1/2x, x and 2x speed options. Being able to do that would be REALLY COOL! It spans over three octaves which means you can do some fun stuff with "substitute" when using 8th's quantize and very short 8ths/cycle setting. It's good to see that SooperLooper is such an open system that lets you set up your own concept for external midi control. I'd like to take the time to set up different real-time control versions for my FCB1010 controller. For concert I prefer quick instant access to some chosen few powerful functions, while other musicians might wish for being able to use a lot of functions. SooperLooper seems to be good to both user styles ;-) Will go for a trip with with only recording gear - no instruments or midi pedals - but as soon as I come back (a week or two) I will dig into SL again. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 16:53:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HLpKP18412; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:51:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:51:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:49:53 +0100 From: jan Subject: Re: abletonhelp needed in SF $35 hr In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <8c97e012e6f931ba2fa6bc7eb1f50ed5@igmbergen.no> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1HLo5S17580 Resent-Message-ID: <-_ENAD.A._SE.OGRFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com howdy Apollopainter, Have you downloaded the Ableton Live Demo? The step by step tutorials are quite useful and will teach you a lot, they really will! Can save you some $ if you kill time doing that until you get someone to teach you. just my 2 kroner good luck Jan På 17. feb. 2005 kl. 22.24 skrev samba -: > reply to > > beginner needs one on one help. Must be able to TEACH step by > step,give homework,some instrument experience a pluss! In San > Francisco. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 17:01:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HLxIx23178; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:59:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:59:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=NUWHxNGQeyID48mxCIwFY36OBC5K9vfZHubVMmQK744etHihBx7+7lfzmVgFh8HdbmHfBUZa+45mNgJNnpcxNsBCYVUndLoV5bdWOHrRAQcPsFx4NRJiN7+pSGchaA5LxjT4FKbOlSm/eKceYGDsXhfgIAp4uIxpn/iubuiJVSo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:58:27 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX In-Reply-To: <790fd3764cec0152c597c6a3644b9abf@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <790fd3764cec0152c597c6a3644b9abf@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:37:53 +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > Oh yes, just hit my mind! I miss the option to assign a midi foot pedal > to the 1/2x, x and 2x speed options. Being able to do that would be > REALLY COOL! It spans over three octaves which means you can do some > fun stuff with "substitute" when using 8th's quantize and very short > 8ths/cycle setting. You can do this now from the MIDI bindings panel in the preferences. Just set the range for the control to have both the lower and upper bound be equal to the target value. For instance, 0.5 to 0.5 for 1/2x, etc. Thanks for the great feedback! jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 17:44:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HMhEJ02173; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:43:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:43:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42151DE3.4010409@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:42:43 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yes let's do discuss music (was)RE: it's about MUSIC. References: <4214EC2D.00005F.02564@A7V266E-XP-USER> <4214F203.30905@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <4214F203.30905@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff Larson wrote: > Sony Felberg wrote: > >> >> >> how will i ever get over your disappointment in me? > > > I think we're all going to need time to heal. Remember, > it's ok to cry. Just let it out. For myself, the medication > seems to be working nicely. > > Jeff I somehow resisted the urge to jump in several times by looping the Mark Twain quote, "never argue with an idiot, they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 17:53:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HMqlC04553; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:52:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:52:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: stereo efx proccessor for acoustic guitar Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:52:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20050214173107.13727.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com TC electronics model one. I use it in my acoustic rig has every thing you mention including tap tempo. Used they are probably pretty cheap. Bill -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: stereo efx proccessor for acoustic guitar hi gang, i am looking for a good stereo acoustic single rack efx proccessor that isnt over expensive,good converters,bypass,tap tempo,etc. there are the lexicon MPXseries and the alesis but there are just to many choices! any recomendations? Thanx Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 17:58:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HMukC05706; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:56:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:56:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:55:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcUVFg/kp4xj3qUqQ9Kj+IG53six2QALW7yQ Message-Id: <20050217225546.BPQA510.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Couldn't find the file he referred to in his email but here's some stuff from the website--http://www.newmillguitar.com/music.html Classical guitar takes a lot of discipline! I guess this is Coop hisself . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 18:28:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HNPpF14229; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:25:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:25:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050217172121.13329108@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:23:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Yes let's do discuss music (was)RE: it's about MUSIC. In-Reply-To: <42151DE3.4010409@speakeasy.net> References: <4214EC2D.00005F.02564@A7V266E-XP-USER> <4214F203.30905@sun.com> <42151DE3.4010409@speakeasy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:42 PM 2/17/2005, Dennis Montgomery wrote: >Jeff Larson wrote: >>Sony Felberg wrote: >> >>> how will i ever get over your disappointment in me? >> >>I think we're all going to need time to heal. Remember, >>it's ok to cry. Just let it out. For myself, the medication >>seems to be working nicely. > >I somehow resisted the urge to jump in several times by looping the Mark >Twain quote, "never argue with an idiot, they'll bring you down to their >level and beat you with experience." I like idiots. They're crunchy and taste good with ketchup. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 18:39:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HNcOE17136; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:38:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:38:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.253.24] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <8c97e012e6f931ba2fa6bc7eb1f50ed5@igmbergen.no> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: abletonhelp needed in SF $35 hr Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:37:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2005 23:38:00.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7B4C300:01C51549] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just passed on the ad from craigslist,Apollopainter is not,as far as I know on this list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 18:39:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HNd1p17243; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:39:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:39:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502172338.j1HNcES17014@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:38:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050217225546.BPQA510.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUVFg/kp4xj3qUqQ9Kj+IG53six2QALW7yQAAGCkWA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice samples how come you're the only one that found them I looked at his link several times and didn't locate this one? http://www.newmillguitar.com/music.html -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) Couldn't find the file he referred to in his email but here's some stuff from the website--http://www.newmillguitar.com/music.html Classical guitar takes a lot of discipline! I guess this is Coop hisself . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 18:50:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HNmnK20213; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:48:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:48:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:48:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <200502172338.j1HNcES17014@hemlock.violacea.com> Thread-Index: AcUVFg/kp4xj3qUqQ9Kj+IG53six2QALW7yQAAGCkWAAAC4OEA== Message-Id: <20050217234814.ZWE11483.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Beats me!!! I tried to duplicate it from the other links on his site and failed--wonder if this is him playing? He seems to be all (and more!) that he claims--wonder why he still posts to a loop list when he has sold his loop gear? More to the point, what technology will make him happy musically? I don't have classic chops--I'm a flat picker--but I like to use delays to inspire me to practice (acoustic guitar especially). The real good right hand technique such as he seems to have makes it easy to sound "big"--a la piano--loops are swell but just one more tool--let's all be happy we can share our spirit thru noise! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) Nice samples how come you're the only one that found them I looked at his link several times and didn't locate this one? http://www.newmillguitar.com/music.html -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) Couldn't find the file he referred to in his email but here's some stuff from the website--http://www.newmillguitar.com/music.html Classical guitar takes a lot of discipline! I guess this is Coop hisself . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 19:28:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1I0QxD03045; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:26:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:26:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c51551$72cb7d80$63a7a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: Sounds from Space Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:33:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.167.99] at Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:26:39 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't you think tube mics would bring out the warmth of space better? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Sounds from Space > > These are the "sounds of space" collected by U Iowa instruments on various > > spacecraft > > > > > > wonder if they were usin SM57s up there? > s > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 19:49:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1I0knR07000; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:46:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:46:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.3.189] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <004201c51551$72cb7d80$63a7a344@hppav> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sounds from Space Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:44:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2005 00:45:01.0185 (UTC) FILETIME=[13FE9F10:01C51553] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as long as they're omni directional Don't you think tube mics would bring out the warmth of space better? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 19:49:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1I0kt807071; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:46:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:46:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:45:43 -0700 Message-Id: <200502180045.j1I0jhe03842@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Sounds from Space X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.15.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Don't you think tube mics would bring out the warmth of space better? :-) Space is cold so no need :-) Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 17 20:09:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1I18ot14023; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:08:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:08:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=cj14kyR8YmhQHa9cMbzTsKIavkCoe7hwLWxLtW9ZpejWAxSPSzQ8ozg6D1bp9r6NRKCgUecqzdSi9jz4uGN1UuSc6xRYs5r0ElIbDCft1nG0Rmwq2pnoKc2CjTwq7NHmKbNmOFo5mMCda8o2MGy5jar/Tj1a6qAEysSwu7o/QoA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:08:21 -0800 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) In-Reply-To: <20050217234814.ZWE11483.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502172338.j1HNcES17014@hemlock.violacea.com> <20050217234814.ZWE11483.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com nice samples but I don't hear any new in 'em - =) What happened larry ? On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:48:09 -0800, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Beats me!!! > I tried to duplicate it from the other links on his site and failed--wonder > if this is him playing? > He seems to be all (and more!) that he claims--wonder why he still posts to > a loop list when he has sold his loop gear? More to the point, what > technology will make him happy musically? > I don't have classic chops--I'm a flat picker--but I like to use delays to > inspire me to practice (acoustic guitar especially). The real good right > hand technique such as he seems to have makes it easy to sound "big"--a la > piano--loops are swell but just one more tool--let's all be happy we can > share our spirit thru noise! > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:38 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) > > Nice samples how come you're the only one that found them I looked at his > link several times and didn't locate this one? > http://www.newmillguitar.com/music.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:56 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) > > Couldn't find the file he referred to in his email but here's some stuff > from the website--http://www.newmillguitar.com/music.html > Classical guitar takes a lot of discipline! I guess this is Coop hisself . > . . > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 02:22:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1I7LXe21342; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:21:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:21:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:20:50 +0100 From: jan Subject: RE: Out of Topic Craig List (was Re: abletonhelp needed in SF $35 hr) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1I7L5S21212 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the craigslist? Jan På 18. feb. 2005 kl. 00.37 skrev samba -: > craigslist From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 03:05:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1I7vg227648; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:57:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:57:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <8ac2450946c16da7f60c5f4226708600@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <095d0fc8b0d3ddd5e15d0f6ec3520323@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:57:17 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:53:51 +0100, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> I didn't have time to try multiple instances but from reading the >> "read >> me" file I have it should be no problem. Really exciting, I must say! On Feb 17, 2005, at 22:03, Jesse Chappell wrote: > > Great, I hope you can start making use of it! Also note that adding > more loops within one instance is probably preferred, because you get > the benefit of sync between loops. Each loop has its own I/O ports > that you can connect with JACK. Ok, I see. But doesn't "moore loops" put them in serial (just like the EDP does)? I want two or three loops to run in parallel. Don't I have to create many instances ("engines") for this? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 03:09:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1I88h730883; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:08:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:08:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4215A22E.60200@iinet.net.au> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:07:10 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX References: <8ac2450946c16da7f60c5f4226708600@boysen.se> <095d0fc8b0d3ddd5e15d0f6ec3520323@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <095d0fc8b0d3ddd5e15d0f6ec3520323@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1QtPtB.A.MgH.OJaFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Per, So far as I can tell, each loop is independent, hence, setting up 4 loops in the one engine gives you 4 parallel loops. I imagine you can then use individual Mutes or the volume level faders to achieve the same effect as next loop and previous loop as in the EDP. Just curious Jesse, but what format are the files saved in when using the Save Loop feature? -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 03:27:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1I8QQm01647; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:26:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:26:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.221.178] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: off topic Craigslist Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:25:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2005 08:26:00.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A366C50:01C51593] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 03:27:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1I8MQL00435; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:22:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:22:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:21:56 +0100 From: jan Subject: Re: SooperLooper (System requirements) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <17820f07d6f39482d595beb0797c61c0@igmbergen.no> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1I8M2S32762 Resent-Message-ID: <_-k6GD.A.3E.rWaFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jessie, and thanks for porting SL to OSX. Super app, i really like the GUI it looks neat and tidy However my old and trusted Pismo ( G3 500 mhz ) cant figure out how to run SL. I get the GUI on-screen but with only the top menu showing, rest of the GUI, the area with all controls and info is just black. Within Jack, there is no sign of SL either. On my dual G4 SooperLooper is running smooth and with no problems : ) When running Ableton Live on my 500 mhz G3 Laptop, i am able to use, without any problems 3 instances of AugustusLoop. I have not tried to run any more but i am quite sure i would be able to, still there is space for me to load some AU or VST stuff. So i guess my question is, what´s the Requirements for running SooperLooper? Seems like G4 o me, since i cant get it up and running on my G3. Just a partly black GUI and no connection to localhost in prefs>connections Since G3 isn´t cutting edge anymore i don´t expect it to be a reference platform for all audio software, still i don´t see why it should be a problem running SooperLooper on a G3. Where is the bottleneck if any, will AU or VST versions do anything with system requirements? What about Jack, it routes just about anything but SooperLooper when running on my laptop. Both my systems run latest version of OSX and has 400+ mb Ram Best regards Jan På 17. feb. 2005 kl. 06.33 skrev Jesse Chappell: > To keep the software looper excitement level high around here, I've > decided it is time to release a beta version of SooperLooper for Mac > OS X. > > http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ > > SooperLooper is a live looping sampler capable of immediate loop > recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows > for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your > computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was > inspired by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). When > used with a low-latency audio configuration it is capable of truly > realtime live performance looping. > > SooperLooper is currently supported on Linux/Unix and OS X platforms > that support JACK (http://jackit.sf.net). A Mac OS X package is > available, and is usable with the v0.6 release of JackOSX > (http://www.jackosx.com/) which is available as a prerelease at > http://www.grame.fr/~letz/JackOSX.0.6.pkg.zip . JACK is an incredibly > powerful way to route audio between applications and to/from audio > hardware, and should be a part of anyone's arsenal. > > The application is a standalone JACK client with an engine > controllable via OSC and MIDI. It also includes a GUI which > communicates with the engine via OSC (even over a network) for > user-friendly control on a desktop. However, this kind of live > performance looping tool is most effectively used via hardware (midi > footpedals, etc) and the engine can be run standalone on a computer > without a monitor. A few sample MIDI binding presets are supplied, > including a basic EDP Loop IV binding. > > Future plans include possible VST and AU plugin versions for both > Windows and Mac, with some reduction in flexibility from the JACK > version. > But with the steep competition from the impressive Mobius, maybe some > collaboration is in order? > > This software is licensed under the GPL, thus the source code is free, > open and available. Because of this there will always be someone > around who can fix any problems, or add new features even if something > happened to me. You are welcome to copy it, give copies to your > friends, > and modify it. But if you find it useful, then please consider making > a donation. > > Please don't hesitate to give me feedback, and have fun.... > > Jesse Chappell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 03:29:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1I8O5H01031; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:24:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:24:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <4215A22E.60200@iinet.net.au> References: <8ac2450946c16da7f60c5f4226708600@boysen.se> <095d0fc8b0d3ddd5e15d0f6ec3520323@boysen.se> <4215A22E.60200@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:23:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 18, 2005, at 9:07, mjnoble wrote: > hi Per, > > So far as I can tell, each loop is independent, hence, setting up 4 > loops in the one engine gives you 4 parallel loops. I imagine you can > then use individual Mutes or the volume level faders to achieve the > same effect as next loop and previous loop as in the EDP. Thanks, that's nice to hear! I guess I could then use my Indigo i/o card's two inputs to record, overdub or substitute into two loops at the same time. I wonder if I could address the same function in different loops by different controllers? I would like to have the option to do it both ways; either (1) stomp one button and record simultaneously into both loops or (2) stomp another button to record only into loop A or loop B (while hearing them both playing back in parallel). I apologize for posting these kind of speculations before actually taking the time to learn everything about SooperLooper. I will hold back on posting now until I have spent some more time with it. Normally I find it more time efficient to read the manual all through but with SL it seems that everything is not yet covered by the online documentation. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 03:34:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1I8UPj02488; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:30:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:30:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <4215A22E.60200@iinet.net.au> References: <8ac2450946c16da7f60c5f4226708600@boysen.se> <095d0fc8b0d3ddd5e15d0f6ec3520323@boysen.se> <4215A22E.60200@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:30:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 18, 2005, at 9:07, mjnoble wrote: > Just curious Jesse, but what format are the files saved in when using > the Save Loop feature? 32 bit floating point, says the documentation. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 03:46:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1I8jun05072; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4215AAF0.3030509@iinet.net.au> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:44:32 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper (System requirements) References: <17820f07d6f39482d595beb0797c61c0@igmbergen.no> In-Reply-To: <17820f07d6f39482d595beb0797c61c0@igmbergen.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fine here on a g3 900mhz ibook with 640mb ram... -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 03:58:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1I8rM806508; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:53:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:53:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:52:26 +0100 From: jan Subject: Re: SooperLooper (System requirements) In-reply-to: <4215AAF0.3030509@iinet.net.au> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed References: <17820f07d6f39482d595beb0797c61c0@igmbergen.no> <4215AAF0.3030509@iinet.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1I8qYS06373 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting, i have double checked everything on my G3 setup. Ill take a closer look later. Install from scratch, do a restart, chanting and skip jumping backwards around a bucket of pigsblood, whatever needed… Jan På 18. feb. 2005 kl. 09.44 skrev mjnoble: > fine here on a g3 900mhz ibook with 640mb ram... > > -michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 08:07:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ID5Sh29791; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:05:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:05:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 5d032af1ff3983659bd5cf8458156610 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <17820f07d6f39482d595beb0797c61c0@igmbergen.no> <4215AAF0.3030509@iinet.net.au> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:04:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: SooperLooper (System requirements) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the same problem on a 1GHz G4 until I read on the download page that Jack 0.6 is required strange, just yesterday I installed the newest version from their site... >Interesting, i have double checked everything on my G3 setup. >Ill take a closer look later. Install from scratch, do a restart, >chanting and skip jumping backwards around a bucket of pigsblood, >whatever neededŠ > >Jan >På 18. feb. 2005 kl. 09.44 skrev mjnoble: > >>fine here on a g3 900mhz ibook with 640mb ram... >> >>-michael -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 08:22:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IDM1Q02458; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:22:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:22:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: b5e14a26dbb35a90eabce47de25aa9f4 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007201c51488$36e34920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <007201c51488$36e34920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:12:23 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: ZURICH LOOPFEST: travelling cheaply in Europe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0Oa5qB.A.9d.mueFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey Rick, its so kool to read this because I watched you doing it and rolled your marvelous Gators and even changed their wheels when they were tired and you got free replacements! LOL I also learned the hard way on my Berlin trip that its easily 5 times cheaper to travel by train if you get the ticket 10 days in advance and find special night time slow connections and such. the ordinary fair may even be more expensive than a cheap flight, since you will not bring as much green plastic as Rick did :-) yes, and there are looong stairs in the London Underground... >I learned this the very hard way on my European trip two summers ago: > >Do everything by train. Inner European airplane trips and >renting cars are hideously expensive, not to mention >the fact that the cheapest air fares on the continent have very, >very low baggage weight limits. > >As an example: it cost me $45 to fly from Stockholm to Glascow as >an example but they charged me $600 excess baggage for >a 40 minutes flight. Finding that the next leg of that flight (I >was trying to make a BBC on air performance in Belfast), >another $45/40 minute flight would cost me an additional $600 for >baggage made Chris, my wife and I jump ship, so to >speak, and we took a ferry there that costs us 29$ each. We never >took another airplane flight until we returned home from >Belfast to Roma. > >Anyway, If you know you'd like to spend two weeks in Europe, I >would highly recommend that you >1) by round trip tickets to Frankfurt; >2) take trains to both Berlin to visit and perhaps gig with >Andreas Willers,Leander Reininghaus, MIchael Schiefel and to Koln to >visit and perhaps play with Michael Peters. >3) Then take the train to Zurich. > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 08:24:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IDLUI02146; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:21:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:21:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: d244bef9bc0de2d58d7f29d197977ada Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:20:31 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, it loops! and looks good hm, no, I could not make the two loops sync... did you use the Brother idea? I will have to read about it... the sliders are odd, no way to kick them... see? the virtual world is so new but some stuff we dont want to do without any more... Maybe you should borrow a EDP? Multiply can also cut a piece out of the loop, thats important - for me... Its an amazing feeling to be copied with love! that happy-sad look after the grown child walking away... will it still need me and feed me when I am old? well, son, I will have a closer look and slap you when wrong :-) By the way: Looper Island is here in Bahia Brasil! Just come and see! Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 08:39:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IDZIR06897; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:35:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:35:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <92692e4305dc3133bf9406d588c8a320@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:33:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 18, 2005, at 14:20, Matthias Grob wrote: > Maybe you should borrow a EDP? > Multiply can also cut a piece out of the loop, thats important - for > me... Agreed. I was looking for a way to truncate loop length, but did not find out how it can be done in SooperLooper. I found out the online documentation said you can go "multiply-->record", just like with the EDP. When I tried that it did not work, but I guess that was before I had by mistake set the 8th/cycle to 1 ;-) Can't try now, but I guess it would work with a shorter 8th/cycle setting. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 08:45:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IDgeM09664; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:42:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:42:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: geoff smith Subject: Echoplex for sale Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:41:17 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1IDfJS09166 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thought i would offer this to the list first. Okay i am selling an cream Echoplex, fully expanded memory, with loop iv software, all manuals, etc Works perfectly. £500 I will be advertising it next week so if someone on the list wants it let me know soon i am in england! cheers geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 09:24:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IELst20887; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:21:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:21:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:20:23 +0100 From: Jan A Johnsen Subject: Re: SooperLooper (System requirements) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1IEKTS20533 Resent-Message-ID: <6b6w3D.A.GBF.umfFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 18-02-05 14:04, "Matthias Grob" wrote: > I had the same problem on a 1GHz G4 > until I read on the download page that Jack 0.6 is required > strange, just yesterday I installed the newest version from their site... > > >> Interesting, i have double checked everything on my G3 setup. >> Ill take a closer look later. Install from scratch, do a restart, >> chanting and skip jumping backwards around a bucket of pigsblood, >> whatever neededŠ >> >> Jan >> På 18. feb. 2005 kl. 09.44 skrev mjnoble: >> >>> fine here on a g3 900mhz ibook with 640mb ram... >>> >>> -michael > Im using Jack already, 0.6 version and it works on my G3 but it does not "see" SooperLooper. To upgrade sounded like a good idea, but im afraid that building the application and Terminal stuff is beyond my level of user friendly approach to OsX. Since Compiling out of CSV means nothing to me, I guess I need some help here. Anyone? How do I go about installing the newest version of JACK on my MAC? Jan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 10:06:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IF53c02559; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:05:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:05:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Da5YeU/JSWuHHcuUbmdtXKvistHNqWZzCSWhWFUyXMI7+//uGwMe2Zu54ccMoadJOdDWs6J30skQ5VVpxZouUQwMT2xhRPIoxWfPNZGXhJeY/04xJqnyIy3W+j6guVHsYX2aVvzV74qz7XkOgkzi8vr5r81iktO2n1N9Je3xasU= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:04:41 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX In-Reply-To: <92692e4305dc3133bf9406d588c8a320@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> <92692e4305dc3133bf9406d588c8a320@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:33:43 +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > On Feb 18, 2005, at 14:20, Matthias Grob wrote: > > > Maybe you should borrow a EDP? > > Multiply can also cut a piece out of the loop, thats important - for > > me... > > Agreed. I was looking for a way to truncate loop length, but did not > find out how it can be done in SooperLooper. I found out the online > documentation said you can go "multiply-->record", just like with the > EDP. When I tried that it did not work, but I guess that was before I > had by mistake set the 8th/cycle to 1 ;-) OK, getting the multiply quantized behavior to drop cycles like the EDP *should* work when quantize is set to cycle. Also, ending Mult with Record should also do an unrounded loop truncation. It works for me here.... jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 10:10:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IF94903795; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:09:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:09:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=uRIgTIy9DwyLAyHy0MfWJh+YyyoEPpfhPOpoDpF2WKPA5h5JT2fJT/uyz5leb19r7NHg4Tf3SXJcWiq1PseO7X5eGxbvB68gyJ6he1PMqP7vfui8WrQAN6I1V86pDcIOcZrj3lsoYlFsagfXgyweRJvcSHVKB4noPlmct2munwM= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:07:37 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:20:31 -0300, Matthias Grob wrote: > yes, it loops! > > and looks good That is high praise coming from you! Thanks! > hm, no, I could not make the two loops sync... did you use the Brother idea? > I will have to read about it... > the sliders are odd, no way to kick them... see? the virtual world is > so new but some stuff we dont want to do without any more... You can "kick" (as in jump directly to) the sliders by using the middle mouse button (which you may not have). I can add a keyboard modifier too. > Maybe you should borrow a EDP? > Multiply can also cut a piece out of the loop, thats important - for me... Yes, see my last post... jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 10:46:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IFjiP14401; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:45:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:45:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=RIsvieTLvXnrq1zSb4lDsfoXYEByjz8iZ9OCrd6uE0XC9AR+inGV0hIAF6d4YRURm2TXsLUFOILyVqqhXj1LRRJxkFDB13d/iD+sS5UkFXB2VXrqIiEGfMLjt+QvXTUYQPF7qu/2cunUt0NuH0I6SSTKDii82D8W7vFva+qwtIM= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:45:08 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Jan A Johnsen Subject: Re: SooperLooper (System requirements) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: <9T7TMC.A.3dD.J2gFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:20:23 +0100, Jan A Johnsen wrote: > Im using Jack already, 0.6 version and it works on my G3 but it does not > "see" SooperLooper. To upgrade sounded like a good idea, but im afraid that > building the application and Terminal stuff is beyond my level of user > friendly approach to OsX. Since Compiling out of CSV means nothing to me, I > guess I need some help here. Anyone? OK, to help me solve the problem I'll need you to open a Terminal. First, start JACK with JackPilot. Assuming you installed the SooperLooper in your Applications folder, do the following commands (pressing enter after each line, and don't type the $ which represents the prompt): $ cd /Applications $ ./SooperLooper.app/Contents/MacOS/slgui You will see the gui come up, and you should see some error message that will tell me something useful. Email me all the text output from that, if you could. > How do I go about installing the newest version of JACK on my MAC? Assuming you downloaded and installed the 0.6 package from the link on sooperlooper's site, you should be fine there. The official jackosx 0.6 release will probably be next week and at that time i will direct users to their official website. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 10:48:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IFkgO14918; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:46:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:46:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <17820f07d6f39482d595beb0797c61c0@igmbergen.no> <4215AAF0.3030509@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--562131091 Message-Id: <369988DC-81C4-11D9-8F68-0030657377D0@telia.com> From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: SooperLooper (System requirements) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:46:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3--562131091 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Hi same problem here on my G3 Haven't tried it yet with my G4 any Idea what's wrong ? Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-02-18 kl. 14.04 Matthias Grob: Wrote > I had the same problem on a 1GHz G4 > until I read on the download page that Jack 0.6 is required > strange, just yesterday I installed the newest version from their=20 > site... > > >> Interesting, i have double checked everything on my G3 setup. >> Ill take a closer look later. Install from scratch, do a restart,=20 >> chanting and skip jumping backwards around a bucket of pigsblood,=20 >> whatever needed=8A >> >> Jan >> P=E5 18. feb. 2005 kl. 09.44 skrev mjnoble: >> >>> fine here on a g3 900mhz ibook with 640mb ram... >>> >>> -michael > > > --=20 > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > --Apple-Mail-3--562131091 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Hi same problem here on my G3=20 Haven't tried it yet with my G4 any Idea what's wrong ? Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-02-18 kl. 14.04 Matthias Grob: Wrote I had the same problem on a 1GHz G4 until I read on the download page that Jack 0.6 is required strange, just yesterday I installed the newest version from their site... Interesting, i have double checked everything on my G3 setup. Ill take a closer look later. Install from scratch, do a restart, chanting and skip jumping backwards around a bucket of pigsblood, whatever neededLucida Grande=8A Jan P=E5 18. feb. 2005 kl. 09.44 skrev mjnoble: fine here on a g3 900mhz ibook with 640mb ram... -michael --=20 ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org = --Apple-Mail-3--562131091-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 10:56:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IForo16524; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:50:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:50:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:50:25 -0500 From: Adrian Likins To: Jesse Chappell Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Message-ID: <20050218155025.GA11553@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 02:26:32PM -0500, Jesse Chappell wrote: > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:42:06 -0500, Adrian Likins wrote: > > > Only oddness I noticed, and I can't remember if > > earlier versions did the same or not, is that if your in > > overdub mode, you dont hear the results of the overdub untill > > you leave overdub mode. > > This is definitely not normal, and I've never seen this on any > platform. What platform were you running on? Any settings in SL you > have adjusted? Couldn't reproduce, so everything seems to work fine. I must of been sniffing bus fumes. Adrian http://www.phasmatodea.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 11:54:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IGrF404411; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:53:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:53:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:52:35 +0100 From: Jan A Johnsen Subject: Re: SooperLooper (System requirements) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Jesse Chappell Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1IGqfS04201 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found the error : ) When I saw your command lines to be typed in the terminal folder I realized something. I made a folder in my App folder called: Sooperlooper. When I removed the app from this folder started Jack and then SooperLooper Everything worked as on my G4. Fantastic. I guess my needs to keep my workspace organized got in the way for me. I wanted to keep SooperLooper in a folder with the presets ant txt.files. So my problem was that I made a folder within the Applications folder and moved SooperLooper into it. By moving SooperLooper out the folder and just let if float in the applicationsfolder made it work. In the future, will it be possible to add a new loop without going into Jack for routing? If Im working on a loop and I want anotherone I add one, no sweat : ) when im routing/patching in JACK I get these clicking noises when the routing gets activated. It does not get picked up in the loop, its just some noise that should not be there,I guess. Will a Audio Unit version be tagged to JACK? or would it be "standalone" as without the need of JACK to run? This is really great, it saves me the need of buying a hardware looper. Donation coming up, just need to pay the rent first, ohŠ and feed the kids : ) Fantastic, and again I really like the GUI : ) Thanks a lot : ) Jan On 18-02-05 16:45, "Jesse Chappell" wrote: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:20:23 +0100, Jan A Johnsen wrote: > >> Im using Jack already, 0.6 version and it works on my G3 but it does not >> "see" SooperLooper. To upgrade sounded like a good idea, but im afraid that >> building the application and Terminal stuff is beyond my level of user >> friendly approach to OsX. Since Compiling out of CSV means nothing to me, I >> guess I need some help here. Anyone? > > OK, to help me solve the problem I'll need you to open a Terminal. > First, start JACK with JackPilot. Assuming you installed the > SooperLooper in your Applications folder, do the following commands > (pressing enter after each line, and don't type the $ which represents > the prompt): > > $ cd /Applications > $ ./SooperLooper.app/Contents/MacOS/slgui > > You will see the gui come up, and you should see some error message > that will tell me something useful. Email me all the text output from > that, if you could. > >> How do I go about installing the newest version of JACK on my MAC? > > Assuming you downloaded and installed the 0.6 package from the link on > sooperlooper's site, you should be fine there. The official jackosx > 0.6 release will probably be next week and at that time i will direct > users to their official website. > > jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 12:12:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IHBRL11455; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:11:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:11:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=fHybRHHR6qv5/yICLMnVU06xyP2LDOivKu1k04GjiT3Yn+NwGcduVKGLUwhzX4/h6dctd6/7Kc6sCXonn2q/A/FJNVCVY+skkOgJHeUeoKLzWRCrJuE26XLkH4smmFmwk7KAN2oOyPfazBfSsV3ivZ2VnKaHlZ4SLjrfxiozCrU= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:10:53 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Jan A Johnsen , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper (System requirements) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:52:35 +0100, Jan A Johnsen wrote: > I found the error : ) > > When I saw your command lines to be typed in the terminal folder I realized > something. I made a folder in my App folder called: Sooperlooper. > When I removed the app from this folder started Jack and then SooperLooper > Everything worked as on my G4. Fantastic. > I guess my needs to keep my workspace organized got in the way for me. > I wanted to keep SooperLooper in a folder with the presets ant txt.files. > So my problem was that I made a folder within the Applications folder and > moved SooperLooper into it. > By moving SooperLooper out the folder and just let if float in the > applicationsfolder made it work. This really shouldn't be causing a problem. Others have successfully started it when it sits in a subfolder, *but* if there are any spaces in a folder name in the path it won't work properly (that is a bug to be fixed). I will check it out soon. > In the future, will it be possible to add a new loop without going into Jack > for routing? If Im working on a loop and I want anotherone I add one, no > sweat : ) when im routing/patching in JACK I get these clicking noises when > the routing gets activated. It does not get picked up in the loop, its just > some noise that should not be there,I guess. Yes, the current version of jack can interrupt the audio stream when patching connections together. A future version is being tested that solves that problem. Currently, for flexibility each loop gets its own ports, so you could route completely different sources/dests independently for each loop. Sometimes, that much flexibility is too much, as you've discovered. Would you like to see an option in SL to always use the same input and output ports for every loop? > Will a Audio Unit version be tagged to JACK? or would it be "standalone" as > without the need of JACK to run? The AU plugin version would not use JACK, it would be just like any other plugin. However, some of the features of the standalone app will be lost, and it will likely just support a single loop per plugin instance. > Fantastic, and again I really like the GUI : ) Thanks for the feedback! jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 13:56:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IIrR411782; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:53:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:53:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=oxxidlhrLLMwHDnvG6YusgNKFJ4NhxTXgJ5+Jv1vrad+ZOHwX/rS2cTDLfhsKG53z6hbMYMwMBBCsMmErlrciM9wXuv8dakxtsUHirfJCaMgDsS1Kdm9oq/WQgzm0oKiwiZ7CsL7qNi059PGBkws+c1asggI6ppZSvapTGhkh2w= ; Message-ID: <20050218185123.95671.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:51:22 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Echoplexes for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here is another one: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7301424422&fromMakeTrack=true and another one: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40732&item=7300526965&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW --- geoff smith wrote: > Thought i would offer this to the list first. > Okay > i am selling an cream Echoplex, fully expanded > memory, with loop iv > software, all manuals, etc > Works perfectly. > £500 > I will be advertising it next week so if someone on > the list wants it > let me know soon > i am in england! > cheers > geoff > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 14:20:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IJJ4X23295; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:19:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:19:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=JF0q84y4EwXcMXZ2BacUbbPVjF761lUUzVMY37rNDFVzBpoSLPnbrOfzHZYc49dxCLczqHmVXWG/Mdr0bq/NLYpqK296cvhFGFn+x3GYQHbql7/tUdwTIGhE6uRbPWgkFJornVBQ7NXCsYSgwAImyHGNDYYhWMdcmJL7B1Fw6Po= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:11:21 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:20:31 -0300, Matthias Grob wrote: > hm, no, I could not make the two loops sync... did you use the Brother idea? > I will have to read about it... Sorry, i forgot to address this question. Currently to get sync between two loops involves both setting quantize to something other than off, and turning on the sync option for the loop. Then the loop operations (except overdub) will quantize to the sync source. I am open to suggestions about how this could be better. Avoiding the quantize requirement would be good, but what would you be syncing to? jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 15:13:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IK9FO07614; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:09:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:09:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:08:06 +0100 From: Jan A Johnsen Subject: Re: SooperLooper (System requirements) In-reply-to: To: Jesse Chappell , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1IK8dS07228 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 18-02-05 18:10, "Jesse Chappell" wrote: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:52:35 +0100, Jan A Johnsen wrote: >> I found the error : ) >> >> When I saw your command lines to be typed in the terminal folder I realized >> something. I made a folder in my App folder called: Sooperlooper. >> When I removed the app from this folder started Jack and then SooperLooper >> Everything worked as on my G4. Fantastic. >> I guess my needs to keep my workspace organized got in the way for me. >> I wanted to keep SooperLooper in a folder with the presets ant txt.files. >> So my problem was that I made a folder within the Applications folder and >> moved SooperLooper into it. >> By moving SooperLooper out the folder and just let if float in the >> applicationsfolder made it work. > > This really shouldn't be causing a problem. Others have successfully > started it when it sits in a subfolder, *but* if there are any spaces > in a folder name in the path it won't work properly (that is a bug to > be fixed). I will check it out soon. Yes, there was a space in the start like this Sooperlooper Now why would I do that, well my app folder is crowded and I just wanted SL to be on top of the list when ever I opened the App folder. > >> In the future, will it be possible to add a new loop without going into Jack >> for routing? If Im working on a loop and I want anotherone I add one, no >> sweat : ) when im routing/patching in JACK I get these clicking noises when >> the routing gets activated. It does not get picked up in the loop, its just >> some noise that should not be there,I guess. > > Yes, the current version of jack can interrupt the audio stream when > patching connections together. A future version is being tested that > solves that problem. Currently, for flexibility each loop gets its > own ports, so you could route completely different sources/dests > independently for each loop. Sometimes, that much flexibility is too > much, as you've discovered. Would you like to see an option in SL to > always use the same input and output ports for every loop? > To me that sounds like a good idea, and I would use that a lot. For now im running my laptop trough one of the FX loops on my amp And I really don¹t need any other input output options for this setup. >> Will a Audio Unit version be tagged to JACK? or would it be "standalone" as >> without the need of JACK to run? > > The AU plugin version would not use JACK, it would be just like any > other plugin. However, some of the features of the standalone app > will be lost, and it will likely just support a single loop per plugin > instance. > >> Fantastic, and again I really like the GUI : ) > > Thanks for the feedback! > > jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 17:40:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IMaxM22299; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:36:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:36:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <9a80f594db45d3f2c4dd618edaf276ae@gis.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-105--537559725 From: Paul Sullivan Subject: Gig Spam NYC This Sunday 2/20 Lambic live at ABC No-Rio Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:35:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 2cf92e4390c98b9b1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a90c1320368f35b72dec16c54609624f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.143.236 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-105--537559725 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > From the Improvised Music Series C.O.M.A. at ABC No-Rio > 156 Rivington St NYC in the first floor Gallery > February 20, 2005 at 9pm > > Lambic is a duo of Paul Sullivan on guitar/effects/loops, and Stephen > Moses on drums/trombone/loops Lots of loopage here, Stephen uses a Boomerang, and Paul uses a Headrush, DL-4, Boomerang, and PDS-8000. Any Loopers Delight people please come up and say hi! > Thanks, Paul --Apple-Mail-105--537559725 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII VerdanaFrom the Improvised Music Series C.O.M.A. at VerdanaABC No-Rio 156 Rivington St NYC in the first floor Gallery VerdanaFebruary 20, 2005 at 9pm Verdana VerdanaLambic is a duo of Paul Sullivan on guitar/effects/loops, and Stephen Moses on drums/trombone/loops Lots of loopage here, Stephen uses a Boomerang, and Paul uses a Headrush, DL-4, Boomerang, and PDS-8000. Any Loopers Delight people please come up and say hi! Thanks, Paul --Apple-Mail-105--537559725-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 18:06:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1IN5aB31706; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:05:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:05:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--535809549 Message-Id: <7F762484-8201-11D9-B32F-0030657377D0@telia.com> From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: SooperLooper (System requirements) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:04:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--535809549 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi I have the same problem Also created a folder on another drive , not the system drive, ( no space before the folder name) but after moving it to the system drive / application folder and out of the folder I created it's still black. any ideas ?? Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-02-18 kl. 20.08 skrev Jan A Johnsen: > On 18-02-05 18:10, "Jesse Chappell" wrote: > >> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:52:35 +0100, Jan A Johnsen >> wrote: >>> I found the error : ) >>> >>> When I saw your command lines to be typed in the terminal folder I >>> realized >>> something. I made a folder in my App folder called: Sooperlooper. >>> When I removed the app from this folder started Jack and then >>> SooperLooper >>> Everything worked as on my G4. Fantastic. >>> I guess my needs to keep my workspace organized got in the way for >>> me. >>> I wanted to keep SooperLooper in a folder with the presets ant >>> txt.files. >>> So my problem was that I made a folder within the Applications >>> folder and >>> moved SooperLooper into it. >>> By moving SooperLooper out the folder and just let if float in the >>> applicationsfolder made it work. >> >> This really shouldn't be causing a problem. Others have successfully >> started it when it sits in a subfolder, *but* if there are any spaces >> in a folder name in the path it won't work properly (that is a bug to >> be fixed). I will check it out soon. > > Yes, there was a space in the start like this Sooperlooper > Now why would I do that, well my app folder is crowded and I just > wanted SL > to be on top of the list when ever I opened the App folder. > --Apple-Mail-2--535809549 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi I have the same problem Also created a folder on another drive , not the system drive, ( no space before the folder name) but after moving it to the system drive / application folder and out of the folder I created it's still black. any ideas ?? Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-02-18 kl. 20.08 skrev Jan A Johnsen: On 18-02-05 18:10, "Jesse Chappell" < wrote: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:52:35 +0100, Jan A Johnsen < wrote: I found the error : ) When I saw your command lines to be typed in the terminal folder I realized something. I made a folder in my App folder called: Sooperlooper. When I removed the app from this folder started Jack and then SooperLooper Everything worked as on my G4. Fantastic. I guess my needs to keep my workspace organized got in the way for me. I wanted to keep SooperLooper in a folder with the presets ant txt.files. So my problem was that I made a folder within the Applications folder and moved SooperLooper into it. By moving SooperLooper out the folder and just let if float in the applicationsfolder made it work. This really shouldn't be causing a problem. Others have successfully started it when it sits in a subfolder, *but* if there are any spaces in a folder name in the path it won't work properly (that is a bug to be fixed). I will check it out soon. Yes, there was a space in the start like this <Sooperlooper Now why would I do that, well my app folder is crowded and I just wanted SL to be on top of the list when ever I opened the App folder. --Apple-Mail-2--535809549-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 18:12:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1INAjL01061; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:10:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:10:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=skMsKZMoOZTSOiX0vOuGYPZ2ZDQrAjIT1YXn7u4Dy/9AlH5D6M+HKOZxCRWdv/Edun+/71L15pleaZ4/36xukfwR5QBFytPlmZihz9bTUc6mQUDtCl92/HcSQBtdMulHeapadntmqsk0btAkY0tc8Ak8cvD9NDeaC24AoAwlTFo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:09:45 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper (System requirements) In-Reply-To: <7F762484-8201-11D9-B32F-0030657377D0@telia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7F762484-8201-11D9-B32F-0030657377D0@telia.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:04:52 +0100, Gunnar Backman wrote: > Hi I have the same problem > Also created a folder on another drive , not the system drive, > ( no space before the folder name) > but after moving it to the system drive / application folder and out of > the folder I created > it's still black. > > any ideas ?? Make sure you've started JACK by pressing the start button in JackPilot, and make sure it is the latest 0.6 version. If that still doesn't work, do the same commands I described earlier in this thread from the terminal, and send them to me... jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 18 21:33:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1J2V5Q23820; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:31:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:31:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=aixUVW3nvpftVG8vZXPs3jreAp/3JnpyzFeNlhZoBHAYBZC6wZVz4z5/gh0b7LuA; Message-ID: <410-2200526192384310@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:38:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9408406d8d24eecde0ea579830366bffdd3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I traded discs with Larry and the guy has chops to burn, to put it mildly. More importantly, he has good ideas, thorny and challenging without being totally inaccessible. He also has some electric material with treated vocals that demonstrate a wonderfully eccentric sense of humor. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Gary Lehmann > To: > Date: 2/17/2005 6:49:11 PM > Subject: RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) > > Beats me!!! > I tried to duplicate it from the other links on his site and failed--wonder > if this is him playing? > He seems to be all (and more!) that he claims--wonder why he still posts to > a loop list when he has sold his loop gear? More to the point, what > technology will make him happy musically? > I don't have classic chops--I'm a flat picker--but I like to use delays to > inspire me to practice (acoustic guitar especially). The real good right > hand technique such as he seems to have makes it easy to sound "big"--a la > piano--loops are swell but just one more tool--let's all be happy we can > share our spirit thru noise! > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:38 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) > > Nice samples how come you're the only one that found them I looked at his > link several times and didn't locate this one? > http://www.newmillguitar.com/music.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:56 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) > > Couldn't find the file he referred to in his email but here's some stuff > from the website--http://www.newmillguitar.com/music.html > Classical guitar takes a lot of discipline! I guess this is Coop hisself . > . . > Gary > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 00:38:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1J5aTh00781; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:36:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:36:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:35:56 -0500 From: Adrian Likins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Message-ID: <20050219053555.GC16002@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <8ac2450946c16da7f60c5f4226708600@boysen.se> <095d0fc8b0d3ddd5e15d0f6ec3520323@boysen.se> <4215A22E.60200@iinet.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 09:23:43AM +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > On Feb 18, 2005, at 9:07, mjnoble wrote: > > >hi Per, > > > >So far as I can tell, each loop is independent, hence, setting up 4 > >loops in the one engine gives you 4 parallel loops. I imagine you can > >then use individual Mutes or the volume level faders to achieve the > >same effect as next loop and previous loop as in the EDP. > > > Thanks, that's nice to hear! I guess I could then use my Indigo i/o > card's two inputs to record, overdub or substitute into two loops at > the same time. I wonder if I could address the same function in > different loops by different controllers? Seems like it. I just set up a fcb1010 controlling loop1, and a art x-15 controlling loop2. > I would like to have the > option to do it both ways; either (1) stomp one button and record > simultaneously into both loops or Currently, you could set it up to start ALL loops or a specific loop. But you can define multiple loop cmds per midi event, so say, program change 37 can trigger "record" on multiple loops) > (2) stomp another button to record > only into loop A or loop B (while hearing them both playing back in > parallel). Yup, you can define multiple midi events per loop function (aka, program change 10 to start recording on all loops, and pc 11 and 12 to record loop1, and loop2 respectively). Adrian http://www.phasmatodea.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 01:20:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1J6Isl11022; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 01:18:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 01:18:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 014c9816e5ab25d822fb13c021e2df31 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> <92692e4305dc3133bf9406d588c8a320@boysen.se> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:18:29 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8FOHDD.A.DlC.6otFCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:54:06 -0300, Matthias Grob wrote: > >> >OK, getting the multiply quantized behavior to drop cycles like the >> >EDP *should* work when quantize is set to cycle. Also, ending Mult >> >with Record should also do an unrounded loop truncation. It works for >> >me here.... >> >> ok, I did not test those (I hate quantize :-) >> I meant rounding to less cycles >> its a refreshing effect when you have a long winding loop and >> suddenly start dancing around one curve of it, without changing the >> basic groove. > >I guess I don't really understand then... from the EDP manual it >appears the only way to lose cycles was to use multiply when quantize >is on. Does this also work when quantize is off? If so, i suggest >some documentation updates ;) yes, thats in case of wanting less longer cycles at constant loop lenght, a very special task I was talking about reducing loop length to less cycles (keeping cycle lenght), just basic multiply... > > Unrounded mulitply is also great, rather chilling because a new >> groove is created. > >That should work correctly in SL, does it for you? sometimes, but mostly it creates a longer loop than I tap or it repeats a slightly different part, I dont quite understand... > > By the way: the Multiple number is the one I most look at... > >Do you mean MultiIncrease from LoopIV? SL should support that too, >although there is no visual indication that it is happening. Also, it >stays in Multiply mode for the duration. again, thats a special function... and you are right, its hard to use without that visual feeback on how many you have got. >Or do you mean a visual indication of the current cycle # during >playback? That is easily added to the GUI. yes, thats what I mean. and even more so the total number of cycles while multiplying. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 01:21:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1J6IeB10830; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 01:18:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 01:18:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 6c908ed3dd7dc597628ee3efc2d89eb8 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:18:10 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:20:31 -0300, Matthias Grob wrote: > >> hm, no, I could not make the two loops sync... did you use the Brother idea? >> I will have to read about it... > >Sorry, i forgot to address this question. Currently to get sync >between two loops involves both setting quantize to something other >than off, my first version had such a limitation, too. But it did that single quantized record automatically and stay unquantized otherwhise >and turning on the sync option for the loop. Then the loop >operations (except overdub) will quantize to the sync source. I am >open to suggestions about how this could be better. arround 94 I found the solution we call SyncRec. Just think of doing multiply based on the brothers cycle >Avoiding the >quantize requirement would be good, but what would you be syncing to? I am not allowed to really help you on that, exept for showing a working example :-) Also, my solution may not work for you, because you use a different approach to define the loops (not tape like, right?) In general I think its important that you make the basic functions handy and accessable by a minimum amount of foot switches. To make it similar to the EDP is nice, but may also be limiting and you may get lost in details. It seems that due to the different structure, you will have a hard time to copy some functions and do others better (like Undo which seems to be more powerfull than mine) by the way: is it true I have to be in Overdub to make FB control active? So I cannot let the loop fade out while playing to it? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 01:21:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1J6IdQ10705; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 01:18:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 01:18:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 88cb4a695be9084d68878e59d0a293a0 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:03:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: SooperLooper (System requirements) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > In the future, will it be possible to add a new loop without >going into Jack >> for routing? If Im working on a loop and I want anotherone I add one, no >> sweat : ) when im routing/patching in JACK I get these clicking noises when >> the routing gets activated. It does not get picked up in the loop, its just >> some noise that should not be there,I guess. > >Yes, the current version of jack can interrupt the audio stream when >patching connections together. A future version is being tested that >solves that problem. Currently, for flexibility each loop gets its >own ports, so you could route completely different sources/dests >independently for each loop. Sometimes, that much flexibility is too >much, as you've discovered. Would you like to see an option in SL to >always use the same input and output ports for every loop? nono, its great to have it multitrack in Jack, so a mixing app can take over. But I also felt Jans problem that a new loop is not automatically routed to some channel (be it the next or previous) We will have to become smarter in saving setups and presets, I guess. > > Will a Audio Unit version be tagged to JACK? or would it be "standalone" >> as without the need of JACK to run? > >The AU plugin version would not use JACK, it would be just like any >other plugin. However, some of the features of the standalone app >will be lost, and it will likely just support a single loop per plugin >instance. and still sync together? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 03:38:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1J8auH06577; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:36:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:36:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7deb7db0ab732f1dad3d166d600c095c@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:36:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 19, 2005, at 7:18, Matthias Grob wrote: > by the way: is it true I have to be in Overdub to make FB control > active? > So I cannot let the loop fade out while playing to it? Tick the box "p. feedb"! It enables feedback during playback. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 05:14:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JADhI24957; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 05:13:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 05:13:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: Gear Spam: MAM RS3 Resonator for sale on ebay Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:14:27 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c5166b$cec8b920$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1JADIS24836 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In case somebody is interested in a mint-condition MAM RS3 Resonator: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40732&item=7300490 172&rd=1 The RS3 houses in a single rack space three Korg PS3 bandpass filters which are controlled by vactrols. The filters can be modulated by 2 LFOs and/or an envelope follower. The device is mono in/stereo out (the filters can be panned). The manufacturer (and the manual) can be found here: www.mam-germany.de An interesting review is here: http://www.midiwall.com/gear/rs3.html Current price is ˆ13,50; the auction ends Sunday 18:49 MEZ Thanks for looking, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 07:36:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JCZQ419025; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:35:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:35:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:33:57 +0100 From: jan Subject: Re: SooperLooper (System requirements) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1JCYOS18775 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com På 19. feb. 2005 kl. 07.03 skrev Matthias Grob: >> Would you like to see an option in SL to >> always use the same input and output ports for every loop? > > nono, its great to have it multitrack in Jack, so a mixing app can > take over. Yes, yes, yes! i think its cool to have this OPTION, not to be mistaking, its great to have multitrack in Jack, but its great to have a setting saying: always use single output and Input, too. If you don´t need it then don´t use it. For people who do need it, it it will be as this app already has proven itself to be, priceless : ) > But I also felt Jans problem that a new loop is not automatically > routed to some channel (be it the next or previous) or the same in/out as an option ; ) jan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 10:27:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JFPTn26042; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:25:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:25:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42175AC8.5050402@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:27:04 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for February 19, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/050219.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #62 February 19, 2005. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the series of CDs from Groove Unlimited that were inspired by the X Files television series. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== VA [Rene and Johannes] Current The Truth Is Twisted (Groove) VA [Volker and Eric] Take 2, the 3rd The Truth Is Twisted (Groove) VA [Ron and John] The Fugitive Truth of Dare (Groove) VA [Kees and Crossing the Road Truth of Dare (Groove) AirSculpture] (Running Frog) VA [Robert and The Border of Believe Truth of Dare (Groove) Jean Paul] Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Hammock The Silence Kenotic (none) Anuvida and Nik Tyndall Wonderous Secrets Reiki Essence (New Earth) Tim White and Phases of the Moon Morning Song, Evening Song Jack Gates (none) Mason Williams Largo DeLuxe Music for the Epicurean Harkener (Skookum) VA [Urban Chill] Good Morning Milkman French Kiss (IntentCity) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Porcupine Tree Mesmer II Metanoia (Delereum) Ozric Tentacles Toka Tola Spirals in Hyperspace (Magna Carta) Kayanis Synthesis II Synthesis (Luna) Saxlife Turn of the Century Total Sax Retain (none) Enchant Follow the Sun Blink of an Eye (InsideOut) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on March 5. On the next show, I will continue the special on the series of CDs from Groove Unlimited that were inspired by the X Files television series. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 10:38:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JFaEt28629; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:36:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:36:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42175D80.5040407@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:38:40 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #413 for February 19, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5a6wR.A.28G.Qz1FCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050217.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #413 February 17, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze's Deluxe Edition reissues from InsideOut Music. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Dreams." The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Shadows of Light" by the Nightcrawlers on Synkronos Records released in 1987. Klaus Schulze - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#feb PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ 11:00 pm The Nightcrawlers In a Distant Corridor Shadows of Light (Synkronos) Janet Robbins At the Heart of a Carrying the Bag of Hearts Spiral Galaxy (Star 7) Paul Goodman Fragment Six Computer Tapes 1982 - 1999 Streamline Ptolemy's View Beyond the Horizon (none) Klaus Hoffmann-Hoock Ganges Psychedelic Breakfast (Heart and and Friends Mind) Klaus Schulze A Classical Move Dreams (InsideOut) 12:00 am Klaus Schulze Five to Four Dreams (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Dreams Dreams (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Flexible Dreams (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Klaustrophony Dreams (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Constellation Dreams (InsideOut) Andromeda * 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on the Klause Schulze Deluxe Edition reissues put out on InsideOut Records. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "X." The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Music for Amplified Keyboard Instruments" by David Borden on Red Records from 1981. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 11:34:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JGWgI13991; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:32:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:32:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c516a0$79e02bc0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: midi er.. mute? anyone? buhler? anyone? Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:31:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C516A8.DB4053B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C516A8.DB4053B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys and gals! I need a way to interupt the note information from some midi stuff, = without stopping the midi clock stream or sending a note off... I have my guitar synth pluged into an external Korg synth, and it has a = fabbo arp and step sequencer.. I use the midi from the guitar to set the = chord that will arpegiate, but THEN i want continue to play guitar, = while the synth arp's away on it own..=20 ive seen a kinda midi switcher thing, but that sends a note off which = would presumably well might stop the oh i dont know.. isnt there a = simple way??? mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 7298 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C516A8.DB4053B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey guys and gals!
 
I need a way to interupt the note = information from=20 some midi stuff, without stopping the midi clock stream or sending a = note=20 off...
 
I have my guitar synth pluged into an = external Korg=20 synth, and it has a fabbo arp and step sequencer.. I use the midi from = the=20 guitar to set the chord that will arpegiate, but THEN i want continue to = play=20 guitar, while the synth arp's away on it own..
 
ive seen a kinda midi switcher thing, = but that=20 sends a note off which would presumably well might stop the oh i dont = know..=20 isnt there a simple way???
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C516A8.DB4053B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 11:49:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JGlZd23379; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:47:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:47:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andreas Wetterberg" To: Subject: Re: midi er.. mute? anyone? buhler? anyone? Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:47:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c516a2$a92e1610$0200000a@ANDREAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C516AB.0AF27E10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C516AB.0AF27E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Wetterberg [mailto:wetterberg@vip.cybercity.dk] Sent: 19. februar 2005 17:45 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: midi er.. mute? anyone? buhler? anyone? I guess you'd need a remote-controllable midi-filter. -----Original Message----- From: mark francombe [mailto:mark@mark-red.com] Sent: 19. februar 2005 17:32 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: midi er.. mute? anyone? buhler? anyone? Hey guys and gals! I need a way to interupt the note information from some midi stuff, without stopping the midi clock stream or sending a note off... I have my guitar synth pluged into an external Korg synth, and it has a fabbo arp and step sequencer.. I use the midi from the guitar to set the chord that will arpegiate, but THEN i want continue to play guitar, while the synth arp's away on it own.. ive seen a kinda midi switcher thing, but that sends a note off which would presumably well might stop the oh i dont know.. isnt there a simple way??? mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 7298 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C516AB.0AF27E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 
-----Original Message-----
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I=20 guess you'd need a remote-controllable midi-filter.
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Subject:=20 midi er.. mute? anyone? buhler? anyone?

Hey guys and gals!
 
I need a way to interupt the note = information=20 from some midi stuff, without stopping the midi clock stream or = sending a note=20 off...
 
I have my guitar synth pluged into an = external=20 Korg synth, and it has a fabbo arp and step sequencer.. I use the midi = from=20 the guitar to set the chord that will arpegiate, but THEN i want = continue to=20 play guitar, while the synth arp's away on it own..
 
ive seen a kinda midi switcher thing, = but that=20 sends a note off which would presumably well might stop the oh i dont = know..=20 isnt there a simple way???
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C516AB.0AF27E10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 12:00:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JGwW426757; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:58:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:58:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 173bef060b6f5627a24a95f0999720dc Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7deb7db0ab732f1dad3d166d600c095c@boysen.se> References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> <7deb7db0ab732f1dad3d166d600c095c@boysen.se> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:57:59 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4kvaoD.A.GgG.kA3FCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh, sorry, I really need to read the manual :-( but it seems one cannot recuperate the faded out loop with Undo, right? >On Feb 19, 2005, at 7:18, Matthias Grob wrote: > >>by the way: is it true I have to be in Overdub to make FB control active? >>So I cannot let the loop fade out while playing to it? > >Tick the box "p. feedb"! It enables feedback during playback. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >--- >http://www.looproom.com (international) >http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) >http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 12:58:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JHvUU10313; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:57:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:57:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Griff Peters" To: Subject: RE: midi mute/filter Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:57:08 -0800 Message-ID: <00ee01c516ac$732619f0$6501a8c0@geetar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C51669.6502D9F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <000c01c516a0$79e02bc0$5a01a8c0@mark> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1D45uB.A._fC.333FCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C51669.6502D9F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Axon ax-100 guitar synth converter allows that kind of functionality. there are lots of settings where you can play a chord, step on a pedal and the chord drones away or arpeggiates, etc, while you can go off and play different things. I'm not sure how it works, though. A little research into this unit may be fruitful for you. All the best, Griff I need a way to interupt the note information from some midi stuff, without stopping the midi clock stream or sending a note off... I have my guitar synth pluged into an external Korg synth, and it has a fabbo arp and step sequencer.. I use the midi from the guitar to set the chord that will arpegiate, but THEN i want continue to play guitar, while the synth arp's away on it own.. ive seen a kinda midi switcher thing, but that sends a note off which would presumably well might stop the oh i dont know.. isnt there a simple way??? mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C51669.6502D9F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
My Axon ax-100 guitar synth converter allows that = kind of=20 functionality. there are lots of settings where you can play a chord, = step on a=20 pedal and the chord drones away or arpeggiates, etc, while you can go = off and=20 play different things. I'm not sure how it works, though. A little = research into=20 this unit may be fruitful for you.
 
All the best,
 
Griff 
 
 
I need a way to interupt the note = information from=20 some midi stuff, without stopping the midi clock stream or sending a = note=20 off...
 
I have my guitar synth pluged into an = external Korg=20 synth, and it has a fabbo arp and step sequencer.. I use the midi from = the=20 guitar to set the chord that will arpegiate, but THEN i want continue to = play=20 guitar, while the synth arp's away on it own..
 
ive seen a kinda midi switcher thing, = but that=20 sends a note off which would presumably well might stop the oh i dont = know..=20 isnt there a simple way???
 
 
 
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com

------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C51669.6502D9F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 14:38:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JJZNS08783; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:35:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:35:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.60.118] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050217032102.83168.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:34:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2005 19:35:00.0266 (UTC) FILETIME=[19CF20A0:01C516BA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like it too, but how to fix the tempo on delay's algorythm's, somebody in the gang speak about wordclock problem, do you know how to fix it ? thank's Daniel >From: Randy Leifer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:21:01 -0800 (PST) > >. >I'll try it....thx!! > > >--- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > > > just remember to get the 30 pin SIMMs, 4 4mb boards > > i think. > > > > move the jumper > > > > install the chips > > > > power up, it will run a memory test > > > > done. > > > > > > it's pretty elf-explanatory once you get in there. > > > > > > i LOVE my expanded PCM-80. > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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Manage less. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > _________________________________________________________________ Nouveau MSN Hotmail : 250 Mo d'espace de stokage gratuit ! http://www.msn.fr/newmsnhotmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 14:42:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JJePW10427; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:40:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:40:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.60.118] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <8ED1A40C-8065-11D9-B70E-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:39:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2005 19:40:01.0185 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD2BB910:01C516BA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's great but the tempo always move with delay algorythm, if somebody fix the world clock problems, please contact daniel Thank's daniel >From: Suit & Tie Guy >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:56:06 -0600 > >just remember to get the 30 pin SIMMs, 4 4mb boards i think. > >move the jumper > >install the chips > >power up, it will run a memory test > >done. > > >it's pretty elf-explanatory once you get in there. > > >i LOVE my expanded PCM-80. >--- >Eric Williamson >www.suitandtieguy.com > _________________________________________________________________ Nouveau MSN Hotmail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage gratuit ! http://www.msn.fr/newmsnhotmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 15:49:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JKlMO32498; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:47:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:47:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <54E591C0-82B7-11D9-B395-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:46:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 19, 2005, at 1:39 PM, total rtt wrote: > It's great but the tempo always move with delay algorythm, if somebody > fix the world clock problems, please contact daniel right. tempo sync with the delays just does not work. at all. the PCM-80 is strictly a textural looper unless you want to spend a few days inputting a range of bar lengths under control of the ADJUST knob. i've done that. it's a _lot_ of work. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 17:34:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JMXPf28070; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:33:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:33:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.60.118] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:32:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2005 22:33:00.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7B00B60:01C516D2] Resent-Message-ID: <_KPeGC.A.k1G.i67FCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It works well, but you must try it before, with 16 bit and 30 pins, and you need only 16 meg to extend completly the length of the effects, Anyway, if somebody know how to fix the tempo of the worldclock, i buy...... daniel >From: Richard Zvonar >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:37:47 -0800 > >At 1:26 PM -0800 2/16/05, Randy Leifer wrote: >>Why can't I find ANY info on mem upgrades to this unit, other than what's >>in the manual? Does it really need a tech. to preform the upgrade? > >As I recall, I performed an upgrade on mine back in 1998 simply by plugging >in the proper card(s). > > >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://salamandersongs.com >http://ill-wind.com > _________________________________________________________________ Nouveau MSN Hotmail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage gratuit ! http://www.msn.fr/newmsnhotmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 17:41:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JMfMX29675; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:41:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:41:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.60.118] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050216212646.20396.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:40:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2005 22:41:00.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[15C6B8F0:01C516D4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're right Do you know how to fix the tempo on delay algorythm, is there a word clock bug, do you know a solution to fix and catch a regular tempo Thank's for any begining of solution daniel >From: Randy Leifer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:26:46 -0800 (PST) > > Why can't I find ANY info on mem upgrades to this >unit, other than what's in the manual? Does it really >need a tech. to preform the upgrade? > Some hints culled from the Lexicon Knowledge Base: > >*Must Be "True Parity" modules (it's rare if they're >not, as most are).... >*Must be installed in matched pairs... >* Move jumper from "256k" to "EXT".... >*16megs is ok, but it will only adress(use)a max of >4meg... > >What else is there? I'm suprised I haven't seem any >reference here....unless I missed it. > >=reLOOPOOLer= ><<<=RANDY=>>> > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger : dialoguez en temps réel avec vos amis ! http://g.msn.fr/FR1001/866 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 18:15:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JNEnZ05897; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:14:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:14:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4217C84A.4090908@Verizon.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:14:18 -0500 From: Dan Ash User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: midi er.. mute? anyone? buhler? anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [162.84.131.78] at Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:14:19 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've found the folks at MIDI Solutions (http://www.midisolutions.com) to be very helpful. I emailed them (info@midisolutions.com ) and asked for help solving a similar problem. They spec'd out a hold function for me. I think it ultimately involved two of their boxes - one to accept a momentary footswitch, and the other to suspend note off messages until the pedal was released. I ended up buying a new synth so I never put that solution together, but have bought several tools since for the new rig, including a merge box and the new Event Processor Plus - haven't incorporate that one yet. You might try and work the merge box into your rig - for me it allowed me to combine CC messages with note info going into a sound module - perfect! I'm guessing that there is a simpler way - based on your the 'gear page' at your website, but sometimes getting your head around a new routing is just too much effort - believe me, I feel your pain... Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 18:23:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1JNMSJ08428; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:22:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:22:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c516d9$d92e6d60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:22:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the good review, Tim. I also wanted to say (because I tried to stay out of that last 'out' group of 400 exchanges) in my defence that I never intentionally refused to listen to Larry's music. When y2K4 ended, I had worked for six straight weeks, culminating in MCing for 36 hours of performance and playing 4 times my self. I was close to comatose and staggered home with several boxes including about 25 CDs and CDRs from fellow loopers. I promptly got sick for two weeks and then had to get back to actually not drowning financially for all the work I had lost doing the show. Long story short, I mislaid his CD and still can't seem to find it. Also, I have recieved 5-10 solicited and unsolicited CDs a week from the live looping community, which I am flattered and grateful to recieve but I, quite frankly, wouldn't have a life and a private artistic career if I was able to listen to everything that is sent to me. Periodically someone gets upset with me because I haven't reviewed the thing they've sent me or sent back a review. All I can say is, that if you want it bothers you that you haven't heard from me, please e-mail me off list. To have Larry impune both my brother and I because he hadn't read a review or heard back from us on the list felt very shameful to me and made me quite angry to be frank. Before you slag someone folks, try talking with them first. I would have been the first one to listen to Larry's music had he done so, even admitting, embarrasingly that I had mislaid it. Okay, that' probably more explanation than anyone needs but I just didn't want to have that criticism hanging , unfairly in the wind. I truly love this community and I devote a lot of time in my life to trying to do any thing I can to promote it. I'm trying really hard and I am also imperfect.............so please cut me some slack. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 19:31:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1K0Tdu22474; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:29:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:29:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4217CE92.4090807@pdq.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:41:06 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) References: <004501c516d9$d92e6d60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <004501c516d9$d92e6d60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to clear the air about something, too. I delivered 2 really harsh (but short!) replies towards Larry because of how unfair, uninformed, and yet egomaniacal he seemed.... I'm still not sorry. I just want everyone to know that I'm not usually such an angry old man. Only towards angry old men. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 20:07:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1K16uC29501; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:06:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:06:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:58:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2_kbQC.A.HJH.dK-FCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:32 PM +0000 2/19/05, total rtt wrote: >It works well, but you must try it before, with 16 bit and 30 pins, >and you need only 16 meg to extend completly the length of the >effects, As I recall the PCM 80 can address only 4 MG, so more than that will be wasted (check that out, though). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 19 20:17:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1K1Gfk00562; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:16:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:16:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004501c516d9$d92e6d60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <004501c516d9$d92e6d60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:11:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:22 PM -0800 2/19/05, loop.pool wrote: >When y2K4 ended, I had worked for six straight week...I was close >to comatose and staggered home with several boxes including about 25 >CDs and CDRs from >fellow loopers...I mislaid [Larry's] CD and still can't seem to find it. > >To have Larry impune both my brother and I because he hadn't read a >review or heard back from us on the list felt very shameful to me >and made me quite angry to be frank. Now that the guitarist from "L" is gone, I'll speak more freely. It seams to me the dude has some emotional problems that are tied in with his inability to deal with technology. As I remember, he showed up at Y2K4 with a rack of new gear,including two or three EDPs, and he was unable to get it to work. He complained about this for an extended period and made a generally embarrassing scene. Then, as I understand, he left his gear behind and had to drive back again from Fresno to reclaim it. I haven't listened to L's music but I did visit his Web site when the flames started. He's probably a superb musician and he may be as knowledgeable about music as he claims. I for one don't care at this point because there are many superb and knowledgeable musicians in the world who are also generous and courteous. I'll expend my energy on those folks. However, L is correct in saying that there are many who are ignorant and less talented, and who may be more concerned with the tweaky side of the technology than they are in the "music" (whatever that is). To this I say "so what"? This list gives voice to a pretty diverse community. Some of them are brilliant and some are infuriating. I make liberal use of the "down-arrow" on my browser (I rarely actually "delete" anything). The only reason anyone can possibly have for making a big deal over the shortcomings of list members is because it makes him feel better to sling these insults. The only reason for someone to respond to such insults is because that person enjoys a good fight. >I truly love this community and I devote a lot of time in my life to >trying to do any thing I can to promote it. I'm trying really hard >and I am also imperfect.............so please cut me some slack. Rick, you are a saint. A full measure of slack was cut for you at birth. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 01:44:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1K6gGh03176; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:42:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:42:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c516b2$df8a4de0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:43:15 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ THE TEQUILA LOUNGE http://www.tequilalounge.ca - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Wednesday February 23rd - Planet Of The Loops Andrew Aldridge's formerly bi-monthly series Planet Of The Loops is now *quarterly* due to the large number of artists lined up to play the PiNG - so don't miss this new exciting episode of loop-based improvisations, as the Planet's orbit won't bring it back again for three earth months. This visit Andrew (guitar, theramin, loops & treatments) brings Hamilton based guitarist/ songwriter/musician/looper Les Cooper along for the trip. Les has played with many artists, such as Holly McNarland, Chantal Kreviazuk and currently Andy Stochansky. http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html Between Sets CD - "Places Beyond: The Lost Pieces 4" Our February feature on Steve Roach's "The Lost Pieces" series culminates in his latest release "Places Beyond: TLP4" which collects "lost" works from 1999 to 2001 plus a 1997 track "Slow Rapture" created just after "The Magnificent Void". http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming March 2nd - dreamSTATE and Mara's Torment with General Chaos Visuals http://www.dreamSTATE.to http://www.marastorment.com http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek THE AMBiENT PiNG was back in the loop this past Wednesday night. Although renovations at the T. Lounge aren't quite finished, cool vibes pervaded and the PiNG party pulsed on. February 16, 2005 marked a departure from the purely ambient/experimental fare we've seen so far this year with two sets of upbeat music. Hypnotech 3 opened the evening with a set of throwback electronica. Minimal pulsebeats and a lyrical bent created an inviting let's-dance ambience. Tobas Mong picked up on Hypnotech's warm tones with rhythmic melodies of his own. Behind the edgy beats of each set was a morphing geometric and at times psychedelic backdrop created by Bleep Visuals. The Tequila Lounge metamorphosis that began with a fresh coat of ocean blue paint continues with the adoption of a new moniker. Soon to be known as Hacienda, owners of the T. Lounge envision a rebirth for the club in 2005. PiNG-goers and organizers, still enjoying their new neighborhood, are keeping their fingers crossed that Hacienda lives up to its name. 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 06:01:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1KAwLu27628; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 05:58:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 05:58:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.90.199] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:56:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2005 10:57:01.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7991B00:01C5173A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that you're right, but there's a kind of conversion between bits and meg, i'm not really a PC specialist so the best way seems to try the memory, and to then read what information is written when you switch on the pcm >From: Richard Zvonar >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: PCM-80 Mem Upgrade >Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:58:12 -0800 > >At 10:32 PM +0000 2/19/05, total rtt wrote: >>It works well, but you must try it before, with 16 bit and 30 pins, and >>you need only 16 meg to extend completly the length of the effects, > >As I recall the PCM 80 can address only 4 MG, so more than that will be >wasted (check that out, though). >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://salamandersongs.com >http://ill-wind.com > _________________________________________________________________ Nouveau MSN Hotmail : créez une adresse @hotmail.fr qui vous ressemble ! http://www.msn.fr/newmsnhotmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 07:55:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1KCsD617832; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:54:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:54:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c5174b$3e4f7d30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: thanks Dr. Z. Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 04:53:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dr. Zvonar replied to this: " I'm trying really hard and I am also imperfect.............so please cut me some slack". by saying: "Rick, you are a saint. A full measure of slack was cut for you at birth." Thanks, Richard!!!! It means a lot coming from you. R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 13:27:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1KIQOb20930; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:26:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:26:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <100.d922928.2f4a3031@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:25:53 EST Subject: Re: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_100.d922928.2f4a3031_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_100.d922928.2f4a3031_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/19/05 6:22:34 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > please cut me > some slack. > rickeee.....you want us to record some aloha guitar for ya? huh?.....s.g. --part1_100.d922928.2f4a3031_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/19/05 6:22:34 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


please cut me
some slack.


rickeee.....you want us to record some aloha guitar for ya? huh?.....s.g. --part1_100.d922928.2f4a3031_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 14:18:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1KJHGO00358; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:17:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:17:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c51780$bc70a9c0$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <100.d922928.2f4a3031@aol.com> Subject: Re: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:16:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C51780.B667B5F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C51780.B667B5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 18:25 PM Subject: Re: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) In a message dated 2/19/05 6:22:34 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: please cut me some slack. rickeee.....you want us to record some aloha guitar for ya? = huh?.....s.g.=20 Shh! He could be a Bob-ist. :) ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C51780.B667B5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 = 18:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: I dig it RE: It's = about=20 Larry's MUSIC(?)


In a message dated 2/19/05 6:22:34 PM, = looppool@cruzio.com = writes:


please cut me
some slack.


rickeee.....you want us to record some aloha guitar for = ya?=20 huh?.....s.g.=20
 
Shh!  He could be a Bob-ist.=20 :)
 
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C51780.B667B5F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 14:25:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1KJMGJ01992; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:22:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:22:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4218E34F.9010003@pdq.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:21:51 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) References: <100.d922928.2f4a3031@aol.com> <002601c51780$bc70a9c0$0207a8c0@eluk> In-Reply-To: <002601c51780$bc70a9c0$0207a8c0@eluk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3PAQzC.A.Ud.RNOGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Even if he's not, I believe that we know Reverend Rick has achieved slack. Stephen Goodman wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Nemoguitt@aol.com > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, February 20, 2005 18:25 PM > *Subject:* Re: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) > > * > In a message dated 2/19/05 6:22:34 PM, looppool@cruzio.com > writes: > > > * > >> *please cut me >> some slack. >> * > > * * > * > > rickeee.....you want us to record some aloha guitar for ya? > huh?.....s.g.* > ** > > *Shh! He could be a Bob-ist. :)* > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 14:37:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1KJaq605548; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:36:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:36:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=WNDZoFr3OJxW2GMvoALuuZeVlAqRPpXHc/HfyQX8Os4IeICLDS6uN/WU4JjijZNEL98FRztmLhmk31KhWio6L89rppkp6hWCi7ui55fjcJN6vBM2u3R1hV0JyAkD5SXZO80YbrKP3vFnUhJCa773PJ6pf/p9wH/B9NNpVbVSiTE= ; Message-ID: <20050220193527.44102.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:35:27 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Heads up, new PayPal spoof... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200502201101.j1KB14X29431@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a quick heads up to everyone out there who uses PayPal. There's a new spoof going around that almost caught me this morning. The email they sent out (reprinted below) directed me to a PayPal login page that had a non-PayPal URL. The reason it almost got past my bullshit detector was that it is well written, and appeals to the part of me that is concerned about someone hacking into my account. I opened up a new window for PayPal and it looked identical (except it wasn't secure and had a different URL. To wit... http://211.140.222.10/zx/images/qw/source/unique/help/cmd/service-ssl-login/primapagina.htm Of course if you get this email, send it on to Spoof at PayPal dot com. Back to our regularly scheduled program kiddies... Stephen You have added plasmaseeler@yahoo.com as a new email address for your PayPal account. If you did not authorize this change or if you need assistance with your account, please contact PayPal customer service at: https://www.paypal.com/row/wf/f=ap_email Thank you for using PayPal! The PayPal Team Please do not reply to this e-mail. Mail sent to this address cannot be answered. For assistance, log in to your PayPal account and choose the "Help" link in the header of any page. ---------------------------------------------------------------- PROTECT YOUR PASSWORD NEVER give your password to anyone and ONLY log in at https://www. paypal.com/ Protect yourself against fraudulent websites by opening a new web browser (e.g. Internet Explorer or Netscape) and typing in the PayPal URL every time you log in to your account. ---------------------------------------------------------------- PayPal Email ID PP109 YGJBHJCLDUPZNOCOHRLVRXMRLROQIMHRBGCFGU __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 17:01:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1KLxXJ17297; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:59:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:59:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=VbPIFzdZ8Rl/99ur7ZxDqXjyprpT1L1f+RBrWdgH454JK+/HN2iDbRBuXUGED2kLHDy8acHZX7Uc6huxtrceEpQqJ6HQJDYnLJTPv+7gBavkFEFtHcbHviqNFXAN76V48Z6IlhBz6JrG4sqvBLQbmsGUxafqydat5nA80Rc1nY4= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:58:11 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> <92692e4305dc3133bf9406d588c8a320@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:18:29 -0300, Matthias Grob wrote: > yes, thats in case of wanting less longer cycles at constant loop > lenght, a very special task > I was talking about reducing loop length to less cycles (keeping > cycle lenght), just basic multiply... OK, the manual only gives an example with quantize on, should I assume that with quantize off, the first Multiply press makes the current cycle become the first cycle, and the second press makes that cycle become the last? > > > Unrounded mulitply is also great, rather chilling because a new > >> groove is created. > > > >That should work correctly in SL, does it for you? > > sometimes, but mostly it creates a longer loop than I tap or it > repeats a slightly different part, I dont quite understand... OK, this sounds like a bug, I will check it out. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 17:08:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1KM7rJ18852; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:07:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:07:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ucSxexcRbisCmwh0zzJvMC1IsSG3NYF9wWEs+SrbKGENXUDkMcFDa+am3n9z6ETbRj5XVyZKWP7tKWLGbPgYz5DDL0HAGfvqLr64IowaCT3uPl+KuCQby0IsIeV4Jt10WGN2LPGogYKL/wZEp+EOlj8MDQ1q8ZE7xI8DqoKodW4= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:06:35 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper beta released for OSX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050217184206.GA3054@redhat.com> <7deb7db0ab732f1dad3d166d600c095c@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:57:59 -0300, Matthias Grob wrote: > oh, sorry, I really need to read the manual :-( > > but it seems one cannot recuperate the faded out loop with Undo, right? You are correct, feedback changes cannot be undone right now. Neither can reverses. I wasn't sure what balance the EDP struck between loop undo memory conservation and feedback changes. It is one of those things that hands-on experience with the device would help. One thought i had was that the first change to feedback < 100% would trigger would keep the unaltered version on the stack, but that would be it. I don't really like the notion of keeping a new version every time around the loop (or worse, on every significant feedb change). jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 17:15:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1KMDfE20231; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:13:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:13:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:12:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4217CE92.4090807@pdq.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You go girl Bill -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) I'd like to clear the air about something, too. I delivered 2 really harsh (but short!) replies towards Larry because of how unfair, uninformed, and yet egomaniacal he seemed.... I'm still not sorry. I just want everyone to know that I'm not usually such an angry old man. Only towards angry old men. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 19:46:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L0jEB21595; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:45:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:45:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050220193527.44102.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050220193527.44102.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:44:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Heads up, new PayPal spoof... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:35 AM -0800 2/20/05, S V G wrote: > Just a quick heads up to everyone out there who uses PayPal. >There's a new spoof going around I get several of these per day and have been since the beginning of the year. I automatically forward any such messages to . I get similar messages posing as eBay and Citi Card security notices. They're all bogus. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 19:51:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L0p2N22841; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:51:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:51:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=NH+Xa/R/HXrki5lbHVnNce1xWxTbrUpOq6slLN9+N13u97GqmQps2bn3nJcNGZyjfc/xi/+fTL/UotHFEj0/t3L7pxO8udr0VqFop4l6bFsvRDk7axR/KzGpglWpSNvsGJlqjwKFn8TsBuVVrSd6nT2Dg/kYO563LtS9nsBNE9g= ; Message-ID: <20050221005039.2249.qmail@web41122.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:50:39 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Rane SM 26b mixer/splitter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone else use these? I find them incredibly flexible. I don't have a mixing board so over the past year I've found 3 of these, used, and have been creating all sorts of nice routings....and I still am coming up with new ones. Basic example: I can take one source signal, split it into 6 mono or 3 stereo signals (first Rane:split) and feed it my looping effects, adjusting gain to each. Then mix all those back to 2(second Rane:mix). Send that stereo signal to my main loop effect/recorder,adding the loops to it by adjusting the gain on the first. Which is then sent to the third Rane:mix , and still have 2 stereo inputs there for other sounds to play on top of it all. Have you a similar or different setup? =reLOOPOOLer= <<<>>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 19:56:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L0tat24556; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:55:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:55:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=bwY3YYxSPL46BZwxx4YPlsLed69m2dsJGvf2P+xm6Mvn9Ud7YnGUx5Tu9j4eUWmy1A9XDcutYUdKayoh3Bk1m3Y2o+k9mNs4VcNCYPUdKmcAf947k6qpvCVWykVuxv7+RPjoraW52aumPi5T4/Fo6wG9yAobgezCufgXq2y1NJM= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:55:15 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rane SM 26b mixer/splitter In-Reply-To: <20050221005039.2249.qmail@web41122.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050221005039.2249.qmail@web41122.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've used two for years (in different setups, a 26 and a 26B, the balanced version). There is a wonky feature where the volumes interact with each other to a degree. If you're only using four of the channels, changing the volume on the unused channels affects the overall volume around "7". They are really useful and usually easy to find in eBay for around $125 or so the last time I looked. On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:50:39 -0800 (PST), Randy Leifer wrote: > Does anyone else use these? > I find them incredibly flexible. I don't have a mixing > board so over the past year I've found 3 of these, > used, and have been creating all sorts of nice > routings....and I still am coming up with new ones. > Basic example: > > I can take one source signal, split it into 6 mono or > 3 stereo signals (first Rane:split) and feed it my > looping effects, adjusting gain to each. > > Then mix all those back to 2(second Rane:mix). > Send that stereo signal to my main loop > effect/recorder,adding the loops to it by adjusting > the gain on the first. > > Which is then sent to the third Rane:mix , and still > have 2 stereo inputs there for other sounds to play on > top of it all. > > Have you a similar or different setup? > > =reLOOPOOLer= > <<<>>> > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 20:19:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L1HjG32180; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:17:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:17:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:17:22 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Software drum machines To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <421936A2.6080106@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) Resent-Message-ID: <80LGyC.A.31H.gaTGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm trying to test Sync=Out in Mobius, and would like to use a software virtual drum machine. Is anyone aware of anything that can run standalone and accept external sync? I have FL Studio, but it doesn't appear to accept MIDI clocks, only start/stop. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 20:51:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L1nhm09779; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:49:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:49:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:49:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUXt4vujvMLBJ9tQk+K94x3fhFx8g== Message-Id: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? Gary PS I assume Larry the Coop sat at Y2K4, with his foot on a stool? G PPS Occasional string players welcome--looppool? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 21:07:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L26rT14863; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:06:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:06:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:06:24 -0700 Message-ID: <004101c517b9$f27dda90$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 89, in=173, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sit because I find it exceedingly difficult to stand, hit my EDP record button, and work the volume or expresson pedals at the same time, or even in seemless juxtraposition. I tried once and almost lost my balance and fell on my ass. I also sit because 1) I'm lazy, 2) I have a bad back that aches when standing for long periods of time, and 3) I like to be able to tweak effects in my rack which is easy to do sitting down with the way my racks are set up on crates. Sitting down, I also find that my accuracy at hitting the EDP record button is better, because the weight is off my legs and allows for more control. Now, if I could figure out a way to play laying down in a half-dream state, that would be ideal. :) ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:49 PM To: 'Looper's Delight' Subject: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? Gary PS I assume Larry the Coop sat at Y2K4, with his foot on a stool? G PPS Occasional string players welcome--looppool? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 21:11:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L2B0O15955; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:11:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:11:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.206.66] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:09:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2005 02:10:01.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[730090E0:01C517BA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sit except whenI stand. It depends From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 21:12:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L2Boj16249; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:11:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:11:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:11:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Most of the time I stand, though I often use a bar stool to lean my ass on so I can dance my pedals better... Hey gary... Todd On 2/20/05 8:49 PM, "Gary Lehmann" wrote: > Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) > with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? > Gary > PS I assume Larry the Coop sat at Y2K4, with his foot on a stool? > G > PPS Occasional string players welcome--looppool? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 21:35:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L2Wbd21437; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:32:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:32:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050220201158.0996c130@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:30:52 -0600 To: "'Looper's Delight'" From: Mech Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only In-Reply-To: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:49 PM 2/20/2005, Gary Lehmann wrote: >...a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? Well, I've currently got two different setups where I'm playing stringed instruments -- a Yamaha G10 MIDI (guitar) controller, and a newly acquired Chapman Stick. For the G10, I'm almost always standing. I usually only have one footpedal that I'm working at a time, thanks to the fact that I can control a second parameter simultaneously with its built-in breath controller. The unfortunate side effect of this, though, is that I'm usually paying more attention to the floor, since I have this annoying habit of wandering back and forth while playing (not so easy to do when you're wired up like a Borg) and frequently lose "center" of just where and what position my pedals are in. With the Stick, I find myself up-down-up-down-up-down at an almost disconcerting rate. The main reason for sitting is that the Stick is a stereo (or, more correctly, dual mono) instrument, and I find myself doing a lot of double sided volume swells using two pedals simultaneously. Some day soon [sic] however, I'm going to get around to programming the volume sliders for each side's input in reverse to each other. That way, a single pedal should be able to control the volume/balance between both sides (e.g. heel down = melody strings at full volume; toe down = bass strings at full volume). After that happens, I should once again be able to wander around and happily 'shoe gaze' in the same manner that I do with the G10. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 21:37:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L2aPX23283; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:36:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:36:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=VoW4pRdWNE+VA1PPGZNtsgP/qJGMg/iK9sJalEZYhB+yqZAFtmV6kQ5cZ2LgHYet; Message-ID: <410-22005212124416740@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:44:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f98ea79f47ceacebc3518194905926c5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.54 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick says: "Thanks for the good review, Tim." Tim Mungenast says: You mean This Tim? Between my crappy memory and the lack of history on your e-mail, I'm not sure, BUT If I forgot to publicly praise you before, I'll set that straight right now. Your Green Translucent disc never ceases to amuse and educate...and it's hard to do both! You mix up the guitar and nonguitar stuff in just the right proportion, and the result is never boring. Yours in Hans Reichel, Tim > [Original Message] > From: loop.pool > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\) > Date: 2/19/2005 6:23:34 PM > Subject: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) > > Thanks for the good review, Tim. > > I also wanted to say (because I tried to stay out of that last 'out' group > of 400 exchanges) in my defence > that I never intentionally refused to listen to Larry's music. > > When y2K4 ended, I had worked for six straight weeks, culminating in MCing > for 36 hours of performance and playing > 4 times my self. I was close to comatose and staggered home with several > boxes including about 25 CDs and CDRs from > fellow loopers. I promptly got sick for two weeks and then had to get back > to actually not drowning financially for all the work I had lost > doing the show. > > Long story short, I mislaid his CD and still can't seem to find it. > > Also, I have recieved 5-10 solicited and unsolicited CDs a week from the > live looping community, which I am flattered and grateful to recieve > but I, quite frankly, wouldn't have a life and a private artistic career if > I was able to listen to everything that is sent to me. > > Periodically someone gets upset with me because I haven't reviewed the thing > they've sent me or sent back a review. > All I can say is, that if you want it bothers you that you haven't heard > from me, please e-mail me off list. > > To have Larry impune both my brother and I because he hadn't read a review > or heard back from us on the list felt very shameful to me > and made me quite angry to be frank. > > Before you slag someone folks, try talking with them first. I would have > been the first one to listen to Larry's music had he done so, even > admitting, embarrasingly that I had mislaid it. > > Okay, that' probably more explanation than anyone needs but I just didn't > want to have that criticism hanging , unfairly in the wind. > > I truly love this community and I devote a lot of time in my life to trying > to do any thing I can to promote it. > I'm trying really hard and I am also imperfect.............so please cut me > some slack. > > yours, Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 21:46:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L2jNm25439; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:45:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:45:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:43:51 -0700 Message-ID: <004301c517bf$2d843a80$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050220201158.0996c130@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 89, in=175, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Off this topic, has anyone explored the concept of voice recognition-activated MIDI switching? You could wear a head set or cell phone-like mic that connected to the computer....when you said, let's say, "Ring Mod", the computer would recognize the command and make the MIDI change to your rack gear. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 22:17:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L3GPt32257; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:16:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:16:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.355e600e.2f4aac45@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:15:17 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Sit=20or=20Stand=3F=A0=20Guitarist=20and=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bassists=20only?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e8.355e600e.2f4aac45_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e8.355e600e.2f4aac45_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sit --part1_1e8.355e600e.2f4aac45_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sit --part1_1e8.355e600e.2f4aac45_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 22:22:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L3LRs01015; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:21:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:21:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:20:59 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Voice recognition In-reply-to: <004301c517bf$2d843a80$6601a8c0@khartung> To: info@krispenhartung.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4219539B.7010106@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <004301c517bf$2d843a80$6601a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Krispen Hartung wrote: > Off this topic, has anyone explored the concept of voice > recognition-activated MIDI switching? You could wear a head set or cell > phone-like mic that connected to the computer....when you said, let's > say, "Ring Mod", the computer would recognize the command and make the > MIDI change to your rack gear. This has been a holy grail of man/machine interfaces for a long time. Much progress has been made, but they still tend to be a bit quirky. I'm not familiar with any products specifically for musical use, but of the ones that I've seen, you have to have a clean quiet signal and e n u c i a t e v e r y c l e a r l y. Most systems require "training" where they make you speak a few words or phrases in order to analyze the characteristics of your voice. Once trained, they can only recognize a similar sounding voice. The difference between male and female (pitch) or between healthy and sick (timbre) will confuse it. When performing live, you have the added complication of sound bleed from other sources. I'm sure there are pieces you could hack together that under the right circumstances would work. But I'm not aware of anything that is packaged and optimized for use by musicians. Even if there were, it would still be unreliable unless you could ensure a pristine signal (i.e. no stage microphones). In practice, nothing beats a dumb old foot switch. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 22:40:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L3WmG04485; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:32:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:32:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42195590.3020408@speakeasy.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:29:20 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only References: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: >Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) >with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? >Gary > I find it much easier to coordinate the timing of my EDP footswitch clicks when I'm comfortably sitting rather than precariously balancing on 1 foot. Besides I try not to put more force than the weight of a small squirrel on those "somewhat less than heavy duty" Gibson switches :-) Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 22:43:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L3gdw06531; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:42:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:42:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050220194113.028c77e0@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:42:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: thanks Dr. Z. In-Reply-To: <004001c5174b$3e4f7d30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <004001c5174b$3e4f7d30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1B6B1E6F Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about, ""Rick, you are a drummer. A full measure of slack was cut for you at birth." -Hans At 04:53 AM 2-20-2005, you wrote: >Dr. Zvonar replied to this: >" I'm trying really hard and I am also imperfect.............so please cut >me some slack". > >by saying: >"Rick, you are a saint. A full measure of slack was cut for you at birth." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2-18-2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 22:44:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L3iDN07130; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:44:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:44:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:41:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7gArtD.A.2mB.CjVGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) > with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? > Gary i remain standing-easier to dodge flying objects and easier to start running away. s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 23:10:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L48mi13051; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:08:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:08:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <13e.d5197a2.2f4ab8b5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:08:21 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Sit=20or=20Stand=3F=A0=20Guitarist=20and=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bassists=20only?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13e.d5197a2.2f4ab8b5_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <0S8kxB.A.ZKD.B7VGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13e.d5197a2.2f4ab8b5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I almost always bring a sturdy stool to gigs. But, depending on whether I'm feeling "extrovert" or "introvert" at the very moment=20 I take the stage I may wind up doing either. It all depends.=20 I always feel like I PLAY better sitting -- absolutely. However, I am=20 also aware that I look boring enough (as it is) when I play. So, the=20 very spectacle of me standing and drooling in the spotlight too=20 may have some compelling entertainment value for folks.=20 If I am backing a singer, poet, dance troupe or playing a supportive=20 role in an instrumental group I will sit and try to stay out of the=20 spotlight while attempting to execute my duties competently.=20 If I am doing a gig solo I may stand for part (or all) of it if my weak back= =20 and my variable mood will allow me. I may not play as well but I'll=20 CONNECT with the audience better for some reason when I stand. The above may not be true for everyone. But it's what I've found to=20 work for me after many years of being a stupid ass guitar player. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_13e.d5197a2.2f4ab8b5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I almost always bring a sturdy stool to=20= gigs. But, depending on
whether I'm feeling "extrovert" or "introvert" at the very moment
I take the stage I may wind up doing either. It all depends.

I always feel like I PLAY better sitting -- absolutely. However, I am
also aware that I look boring enough (as it is) when I play. So, the
very spectacle of me standing and drooling in the spotlight too
may have some compelling entertainment value for folks.

If I am backing a singer, poet, dance troupe or playing a supportive
role in an instrumental group I will sit and try to stay out of the
spotlight while attempting to execute my duties competently.

If I am doing a gig solo I may stand for part (or all) of it if my weak back=
and my variable mood will allow me. I may not play as well but I'll
CONNECT with the audience better for some reason when I stand.

The above may not be true for everyone. But it's what I've found to
work for me after many years of being a stupid ass guitar player.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_13e.d5197a2.2f4ab8b5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 20 23:13:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L4CQh14356; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:12:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:12:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Voice recognition Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:11:41 -0700 Message-ID: <004a01c517cb$730cb620$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4219539B.7010106@sun.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 90, in=200, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I guess unless you're a fighter pilot and using cutting edge, government funded technology, we're stuck in the waiting game. Although, you'd think if I can utter "caaaaab" into my voice activated cell phone, with a drunken slur and a bunch of animals screaming in the background, and the phone successfully recognizes my voice with very minor training, that we could get this to work for a basic one syllable command to switch MIDI. :) Just dreaming...my foot is fine. K- -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:21 PM To: info@krispenhartung.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Voice recognition Krispen Hartung wrote: > Off this topic, has anyone explored the concept of voice > recognition-activated MIDI switching? You could wear a head set or cell > phone-like mic that connected to the computer....when you said, let's > say, "Ring Mod", the computer would recognize the command and make the > MIDI change to your rack gear. This has been a holy grail of man/machine interfaces for a long time. Much progress has been made, but they still tend to be a bit quirky. I'm not familiar with any products specifically for musical use, but of the ones that I've seen, you have to have a clean quiet signal and e n u c i a t e v e r y c l e a r l y. Most systems require "training" where they make you speak a few words or phrases in order to analyze the characteristics of your voice. Once trained, they can only recognize a similar sounding voice. The difference between male and female (pitch) or between healthy and sick (timbre) will confuse it. When performing live, you have the added complication of sound bleed from other sources. I'm sure there are pieces you could hack together that under the right circumstances would work. But I'm not aware of anything that is packaged and optimized for use by musicians. Even if there were, it would still be unreliable unless you could ensure a pristine signal (i.e. no stage microphones). In practice, nothing beats a dumb old foot switch. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 00:15:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L5EP832584; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:14:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:14:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:13:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUXyzev1EDTstAARxOinDyGbi1jHAAB7fAA In-Reply-To: <13e.d5197a2.2f4ab8b5@aol.com> Message-Id: <20050221051404.GXWT18442.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted said: If I am doing a gig solo I may stand for part (or all) of it if my weak back and my variable mood will allow me. I may not play as well but I'll CONNECT with the audience better for some reason when I stand. ---> Thanks to all for the first responses! Weak back is one reason I am asking--mine hurts . . . But heck, I'm 52-- Access to multiple pedals is another. One guy who might not get in on this thread is Stickista Tom Griesgraber--he is in Italy and France with Jerry Marrotta and the CGT--he is a San Diego local, I've seen him a few times, and he always stands--he's got like, 5 expression pedals and a Roland MIDI controller. But -->SHOW BUSINESS<-- is another consideration. More replies, mates! This beats complaining about musical appreciation any day. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 00:43:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L5ggZ05227; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:42:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:42:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <024101c517d8$30eeac50$0200a8c0@bigtony> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <421936A2.6080106@sun.com> Subject: Re: Software drum machines Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:38:43 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try AudioMulch. Ah, you want standalone. Hmm.. I was pretty sure FL would sync. I've run two machines with FL synced, but that might just be one FL to another. How about Abelton? or fXpansion's DR008 ? Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Larson" To: Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: Software drum machines > I'm trying to test Sync=Out in Mobius, and would like > to use a software virtual drum machine. Is anyone > aware of anything that can run standalone and accept > external sync? I have FL Studio, but it doesn't > appear to accept MIDI clocks, only start/stop. > > Thanks, > Jeff > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 00:45:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L5jJq06026; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:45:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:45:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: thanks Dr. Z. Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:44:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050220194113.028c77e0@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doh! -----Original Message----- From: armatronix [mailto:armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: thanks Dr. Z. How about, ""Rick, you are a drummer. A full measure of slack was cut for you at birth." -Hans At 04:53 AM 2-20-2005, you wrote: >Dr. Zvonar replied to this: >" I'm trying really hard and I am also imperfect.............so please cut >me some slack". > >by saying: >"Rick, you are a saint. A full measure of slack was cut for you at birth." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2-18-2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 01:00:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L5x7H10089; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:59:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:59:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <1e8.355e600e.2f4aac45@aol.com> References: <1e8.355e600e.2f4aac45@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lee Barnes Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Sit_or_Stand=3F=A0_Guitarist_and_Bassists_onl?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?y?= Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:58:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8yUD9B.A.3FC.ciXGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have to agree, it's easier for me to sit for most of what I do, about the only exception is for playing those instruments where sitting is not going to work out at all, like playing an upright electric or acoustic-electric bass. Lee On Feb 20, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > sit From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 01:32:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L6VFe16151; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:31:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:31:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050220202102.056db008@loopers-delight.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:31:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only In-Reply-To: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:49 PM 2/20/2005, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) >with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? Interesting, I always meant to comment about this after these various loop festivals. Having watched many looper guitarists perform, I really, really think many of you need to learn to play standing up. Guitarists sitting down almost always look very lame. They have less stage presence, less energy, and less connection with the audience than guitarists standing up. Especially if you sit in a crappy looking chair instead of a stool, and do the big flappy-foot, legs-spread style of toe tapping. ugh. The only two people I've seen pull it off sitting down were Matthias Grob and Steve Lawson, and I think it is because they are both very tall, have good posture, and have the stage experience to engage the audience anyway. There are only three contexts where I think guitarists look ok sitting during a performance: a) big band jazz (at the end of the sax line), b) classical (with a stool), and c) when they have some apparent physical hardship (like being a 97 year old blind blues player). Yes, I know. It is hard to tap the buttons while standing. But if Andre LaFosse can do his thing standing up, you can learn to do it too. He taps buttons a thousand times more often than you. Practice standing up, and you will be fine. Oh, and while we are at it: The ugly rack of gear. I'm really tired of being in the audience and watching a performance by the back of an ugly rack of gear. You have a big tangle of ugly cables all spilling out, and your head barely poking up over the top. Most of your racks do not have good stage presence. Move the rack somewhere to the side or behind you. Buy some interesting cloth to put over it. Let the audience see you. Let them see you push the buttons and turn the knobs. Let them see the blinky lights instead of the back. Hide the cables. It will really really help. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 01:39:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L6c0w17510; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:38:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:38:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:36:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It depends on how much gear I bring, and what kind of gig. If I'm bringing my full complement of pedal boards, I'll stand because its easier to trigger things, dance the boogaloo, and strike rock star poses. if its a sonic wallpaper kind of gig, wedding or restaurant thing, without much gear, I'll sit, and try to blend in with the normal people. As I recall Larry did sit and use a footstool, which may have gotten in the way of his edp foot pedal. poor guy, I kinda...sniff...miss him...sniff...a little bit..actually late at night after Y2K4 ended, when it was discovered that Larry did indeed leave his two EDPs behind, there was some discussion as to whether or not we should tell him, reasoning that perhaps the kind thing to do was not say anything. I can't help thinking that this whole outburst from the Larry had some kind of weird PT Barnum inspired promotional angle. I gues we'll never know. unless of course you are still out there somwhere lurking Larry. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:49 PM To: 'Looper's Delight' Subject: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? Gary PS I assume Larry the Coop sat at Y2K4, with his foot on a stool? G PPS Occasional string players welcome--looppool? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 01:55:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L6sjJ20881; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:54:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:54:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:54:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050220202102.056db008@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are only three contexts where I think guitarists look ok sitting during a performance: a) big band jazz (at the end of the sax line), b) classical (with a stool), and c) when they have some apparent physical hardship (like being a 97 year old blind blues player). Hey Dude, what about lap steel players, why are folks always dissing the lap steel players, its called a lap steelwork, you play it sitting down with it cradled in your Lap OK? Gosh!!! isn't that legitimate enough??? But good point about ugly gear racks, I'm striving to have not only the best looking rack, but the sexiest as well. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only At 05:49 PM 2/20/2005, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) >with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? Interesting, I always meant to comment about this after these various loop festivals. Having watched many looper guitarists perform, I really, really think many of you need to learn to play standing up. Guitarists sitting down almost always look very lame. They have less stage presence, less energy, and less connection with the audience than guitarists standing up. Especially if you sit in a crappy looking chair instead of a stool, and do the big flappy-foot, legs-spread style of toe tapping. ugh. The only two people I've seen pull it off sitting down were Matthias Grob and Steve Lawson, and I think it is because they are both very tall, have good posture, and have the stage experience to engage the audience anyway. There are only three contexts where I think guitarists look ok sitting during a performance: a) big band jazz (at the end of the sax line), b) classical (with a stool), and c) when they have some apparent physical hardship (like being a 97 year old blind blues player). Yes, I know. It is hard to tap the buttons while standing. But if Andre LaFosse can do his thing standing up, you can learn to do it too. He taps buttons a thousand times more often than you. Practice standing up, and you will be fine. Oh, and while we are at it: The ugly rack of gear. I'm really tired of being in the audience and watching a performance by the back of an ugly rack of gear. You have a big tangle of ugly cables all spilling out, and your head barely poking up over the top. Most of your racks do not have good stage presence. Move the rack somewhere to the side or behind you. Buy some interesting cloth to put over it. Let the audience see you. Let them see you push the buttons and turn the knobs. Let them see the blinky lights instead of the back. Hide the cables. It will really really help. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 02:31:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L7TPu28119; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:29:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:29:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.210.46] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Stage presence Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:28:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2005 07:29:00.0394 (UTC) FILETIME=[02EDA4A0:01C517E7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm happy to just listen but audiences do tend to want to be visually entertained.I hate to say it as much as I love guitar music watching someone play ,sitting or standing isn't very interesting to me.The things that make someone intersting to watch don''t have that much to do with the instrument. You can make a face like you're in pain as you bend the string if you're playing blues-works for BB. I guess the corresponding schtick for ambient would be a sort of ambiguous blank look. I heard John Fahey play several times and he didn't ever speak or look at the audience.One show though at the end he just sat there looking at the audience,after people started getting uncomfortable he said, "That's it you can go home now." and continued to sit there. Bigger motions carry better ,visually from stage. ( in the talking heads movie back stage is the sign "everything on stage must bebigger than life")This is why long limbs are preferred for dancers and models.it's also why pre-film actors used much exageration,which carried over into early silent films and why rock guitarists have to strike such extreme poses to make little triplett pulloffs seem hard. I'm all for providing other sorts of visual stimuli , uplighting Form the ground up is very effective,projections,dancers,strobes, anything except smoke machines -yuck. There are some cool lights that change color called Sauce ,they can be set to go through cool or warm or full spectrums.Having the colors change very slowly can heighten the sense that the music is evolving-even if it's not.Low lighting helps the audiences imaginations be more active. Another way to be creative.I like it when people dress creatively for stage too. It's true Gear racks aren't very intersting not from the house anyway at least set an invisible woman model on top of it or an esspresso machine or someting. maybe a nice fishbowl. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 02:35:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L7YWs29861; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:34:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:34:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Ab+M4TIk0XHP0s2VTMEVaRzabIHf3jAsHpSic0YpIUUFbvOhZTfgwAuUY9Iz4MmC8SJdfUx0R/5aaIXgVWnYkZ8eUgFeqoFNkgy7TMLJkotSi30PHIUXzlPHtZSWsNDc60yaXvMXgQ7dZyBKxl+fJb2G99xWQxDviv5mIv1W3lM= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:33:14 -0800 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050220202102.056db008@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sit at rehearsal and stand on stage which actually proves to be very difficult for me. Whatever you chose to do live, make sure you practice that way at rehearsal otherwise all hell can break lose :) On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:54:13 -0800, William Walker wrote: > > > There are only three contexts where I think guitarists look ok sitting > during a performance: a) big band jazz (at the end of the sax line), b) > classical (with a stool), and c) when they have some apparent physical > hardship (like being a 97 year old blind blues player). > > Hey Dude, what about lap steel players, why are folks always dissing the lap > steel players, its called a lap steelwork, you play it sitting down with it > cradled in your Lap OK? Gosh!!! isn't that legitimate enough??? > > But good point about ugly gear racks, I'm striving to have not only the best > looking rack, but the sexiest as well. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only > > At 05:49 PM 2/20/2005, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) > >with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? > > Interesting, I always meant to comment about this after these various loop > festivals. > > Having watched many looper guitarists perform, I really, really think many > of you need to learn to play standing up. Guitarists sitting down almost > always look very lame. They have less stage presence, less energy, and less > connection with the audience than guitarists standing up. Especially if you > sit in a crappy looking chair instead of a stool, and do the big > flappy-foot, legs-spread style of toe tapping. ugh. > > The only two people I've seen pull it off sitting down were Matthias Grob > and Steve Lawson, and I think it is because they are both very tall, have > good posture, and have the stage experience to engage the audience anyway. > > There are only three contexts where I think guitarists look ok sitting > during a performance: a) big band jazz (at the end of the sax line), b) > classical (with a stool), and c) when they have some apparent physical > hardship (like being a 97 year old blind blues player). > > Yes, I know. It is hard to tap the buttons while standing. But if Andre > LaFosse can do his thing standing up, you can learn to do it too. He taps > buttons a thousand times more often than you. Practice standing up, and you > will be fine. > > Oh, and while we are at it: The ugly rack of gear. I'm really tired of > being in the audience and watching a performance by the back of an ugly > rack of gear. You have a big tangle of ugly cables all spilling out, and > your head barely poking up over the top. Most of your racks do not have > good stage presence. Move the rack somewhere to the side or behind you. Buy > some interesting cloth to put over it. Let the audience see you. Let them > see you push the buttons and turn the knobs. Let them see the blinky lights > instead of the back. Hide the cables. It will really really help. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 02:39:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L7XEu29416; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:33:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:33:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=AZsujSd4bQKhyHzCrrqWtWB7erX2x76KFBrs6Mwredj6WebRFCyTUp+j21Mchre8/bcGE5Ji7cZffdhBNflZGIUY110H8HjdKoyn4KBQnyMQaofnI/I3jUfpA6IXP6zVcsg2/372T/gPAshGshZZKtD5zDLhqDv1Giwi4ggdwwA= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:31:50 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only In-Reply-To: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guitar, and I always stand. By chance, I spent this weekend again investigating if it was possible to sit, play and loop, trying out the new Quik Lok "Musician's Seat", and for me the answer was "not comfortably or effectively". There's a few gigs where it might be preferable to sit, so as to blend in more with the back ground (art gallery or wine bar settings), but I find that sitting compromises my playing, my comfort and makes it difficult to operate the various foot controls. The EDP controller is about six inches too wide for me to comfortably and/or gracefully cover the spread from Record the Next Loop with the leg my guitar isn't resting on. Wearing a strap short enough to lift the guitar off my right leg looks super-dorky and is uncomfortable and leads to sitting with your legs splayed in a less-than attractive manner. I also think most guitarists look dorky sitting down. Sitting is for old men, drummers and keyboardists. On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:49:14 -0800, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) > with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? > Gary > PS I assume Larry the Coop sat at Y2K4, with his foot on a stool? > G > PPS Occasional string players welcome--looppool? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 04:17:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1L9FVL17056; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 04:15:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 04:15:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4219A669.4010905@biink.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 04:14:17 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050220202102.056db008@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sit. I'm too busy to stand. I don't stand that much off stage. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 05:08:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LA6bC26758; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:06:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:06:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050221095600.02b53eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:02:46 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only In-Reply-To: <200502210322.j1L3MnV01540@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502210322.j1L3MnV01540@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >how many sit and how many stand? >Gary I sit. There's a lot of footwork. If I'm not looping I stand. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 05:14:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LACmF28590; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:12:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:12:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050221100423.02b55b80@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:08:09 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Rane SM 26b mixer/splitter In-Reply-To: <200502210322.j1L3MnV01540@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502210322.j1L3MnV01540@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4CRtjD.A.B9G.RQbGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:22 21/02/05, you wrote: >I've used two for years (in different setups, a 26 and a 26B, the >balanced version). the Behringer MX 882 has a very similar config. (slightly more flexible) >There is a wonky feature where the volumes >interact with each other to a degree. :-( andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 05:24:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LAMYm30797; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:22:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:22:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050221101557.02b1ec20@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:17:58 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only In-Reply-To: <200502210739.j1L7dnK31033@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502210739.j1L7dnK31033@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I really, really think many of you need to learn to play standing up. Kim's going to be giving a demonstration of his technique for using 2 expression pedals simultaneously while standing up at the next loopfest. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 06:01:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LB0eG07067; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:00:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:00:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050221095600.02b53eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200502210322.j1L3MnV01540@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050221095600.02b53eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--320103991 Message-Id: From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:59:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4--320103991 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'll stand if if feel that there's a need for it Large stage , stage layout, lightning , kind of performance etc. ( and if i'm in the mood for that.) I feel that standing up I have more control over the Guitar and sitting down slightly more control and overview over the loopers but maybe less regarding footwork, (but i'm not trying to use more than one pedal or switch at one time, to much of a balance act standing up, for me anyway. ) About kim "The ugly rack of gear"( I'ts hard to position the rack to the side , on the left there's easy access with the left hand but sometimes i need to fret a note and turn a knob at the same time and similar with the right hand side ( picking wise) , so the best position is in front of me , but i tend to go with the left depending on stage setup, though in the studio always in the center and sitting down) I use 3 footswitches and 1 midi controller + VG-88 with 2 expressionped and/or Vg-8 with 1 expressionped and sometimes a line 6 pod with swell + dist + delay pedals as well. Regarding back problem ( I have a heavy doubleneck guitar ) I use the Slider dual shoulder strap http://www.slider-straps.com/STR/guitarclose.html which i recommend all guitar and bass players to try. Once adjusted and put on the "right" location on the guitar/bass , (it's not necessarily the standard place ), it balance out nicely and i don't feel the weight (and you don't push the shoulder up on the neck side.) Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-02-21 kl. 11.02 a k butler wrote: >> how many sit and how many stand? >> Gary --Apple-Mail-4--320103991 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I'll stand if if feel that there's a need for it Large stage , stage layout, lightning , kind of performance etc. ( and if i'm in the mood for that.) I feel that standing up I have more control over the Guitar and sitting down slightly more control and overview over the loopers but maybe less regarding footwork, (but i'm not trying to use more than one pedal or switch at one time, to much of a balance act standing up, for me anyway. ) About kim "The ugly rack of gear"( I'ts hard to position the rack to the side , on the left there's easy access with the left hand but sometimes i need to fret a note and turn a knob at the same time and similar with the right hand side ( picking wise) , so the best position is in front of me , but i tend to go with the left depending on stage setup, though in the studio always in the center and sitting down) I use 3 footswitches and 1 midi controller + VG-88 with 2 expressionped and/or Vg-8 with 1 expressionped and sometimes a line 6 pod with swell + dist + delay pedals as well. Regarding back problem ( I have a heavy doubleneck guitar ) I use the Slider dual shoulder strap http://www.slider-straps.com/STR/guitarclose.html which i recommend all guitar and bass players to try. Once adjusted and put on the "right" location on the guitar/bass , (it's not necessarily the standard place ), it balance out nicely and i don't feel the weight (and you don't push the shoulder up on the neck side.) Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-02-21 kl. 11.02 a k butler wrote: how many sit and how many stand? Gary --Apple-Mail-4--320103991-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 06:35:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LBY9i13630; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:34:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:34:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c51809$2f6cf810$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: , References: <004a01c517cb$730cb620$6601a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Voice recognition Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:33:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Krispen, remove the Reply To address so responses to your posts don't just come to you. :) I used to have an early copy of IBM's speech-to-text program, and before moving to the UK in 2000 was having some fun getting it to make my PC obey simple one-word commands like "shutdown", "start" and "quit". It had around a 60% chance of decoding things I said and turning them into text, and, thinking of the audio diary that the doctor in "Lawnmower Man" used, I dreamed of the day that I could spout on ad nauseam to make The Great Novel or something. (Hint: it didn't happen!) After becoming the secretary of the committee for the block of flats we lived in, I was faced with the transcription of a number of tapes of meetings into minutes-listings, and attempted to use the program again. The package I'd had was of course not only trained by me to understand MY voice - but also not optimized for other than a fairly twang-free American non-accent. Imagine what kind of a mess resulted trying to decode the voices of a range of British folks, who have more differences between accents in a single city than most Americans encounter in a 100-mile radius. The only solid end results of all this was an annoyance at what I've come to wonder is as purposeful mispronounciation, and the realization that we've still got a long way to go before computers can understand by default an array of accents (perhaps more than an operating system's worth of processing for that alone!). So I sigh, and hope for the best. For now, Dave's still not here. :) S. From: "Krispen Hartung" : | Yes, I guess unless you're a fighter pilot and using cutting edge, | government funded technology, we're stuck in the waiting game. Although, | you'd think if I can utter "caaaaab" into my voice activated cell phone, | with a drunken slur and a bunch of animals screaming in the background, | and the phone successfully recognizes my voice with very minor training, | that we could get this to work for a basic one syllable command to | switch MIDI. :) | | Just dreaming...my foot is fine. | | K- | | -----Original Message----- | From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] | Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:21 PM | To: info@krispenhartung.com | Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: Voice recognition | | | Krispen Hartung wrote: | > Off this topic, has anyone explored the concept of voice | > recognition-activated MIDI switching? You could wear a head set or | cell > phone-like mic that connected to the computer....when you said, | let's > say, "Ring Mod", the computer would recognize the command and | make the > MIDI change to your rack gear. | | This has been a holy grail of man/machine interfaces for a long time. | Much progress has been made, but they still tend to be a bit quirky. I'm | not familiar with any products specifically for musical use, but of the | ones that I've seen, you have to have a clean quiet signal and e n u c i | a t e v e r y c l e a r l y. Most systems require "training" where | they make you speak a few words or phrases in order to analyze the | characteristics of your voice. Once trained, they can only recognize a | similar sounding voice. The difference between male and female (pitch) | or between healthy and sick (timbre) will confuse it. When performing | live, you have the added complication of sound bleed from other sources. | | I'm sure there are pieces you could hack together that under the right | circumstances would work. But I'm not aware of anything that is | packaged and optimized for use by musicians. Even if there were, it | would still be unreliable unless you could ensure a pristine signal | (i.e. no stage microphones). | | In practice, nothing beats a dumb old foot switch. | | Jeff | | | | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 07:23:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LCMVj31594; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:22:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:22:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: audio 2 midi trigger for Ableton live! Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:23:00 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c51810$18db8470$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know of an audio to midi trigger plugin which works in ableton live (current version) and runs in real-time? What I want to do: I want to use audio clips (either prerecorded loops or loops recorded on-the-fly) to trigger sounds from a VSTi drum machine. I found this device called KTDrum Trigger at koen.smartelectronix.com - unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work in Live: its MIDI output doesn't appear in the chooser list for input to a MIDI track. Is there an alternative, or is there a workaround to the problem I described? Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 07:51:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LCoeP16644; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:50:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:50:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <143423138f45ccfb3eec1b93aecc53ed@sccadv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:50:13 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 90% of the time I stand. 100%, when recording or performing. Usually, when performing, I'm singing as well as playing. I definitely sing better when standing, so perhaps that's the main reason. But if I'm in the basement, goofing off and seeing if anything good happens, I stand. I think the reason is that I feel more expressive while standing. This is, of course, entirely silly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 11:38:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LGav511905; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:36:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:36:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <15c.4a9501bf.2f4b67be@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:35:10 EST Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15c.4a9501bf.2f4b67be_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15c.4a9501bf.2f4b67be_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, In a message dated 02/20/05 21:14:26, hqr@cox.net writes: > Weak back is one reason I am asking--mine hurts . . .=A0 But heck, I'm 52-= - >=20 Mine too . . . and I will be 52 in a couple of months as well. The "access to footpedals" question is a reasonable one too. I am frequently "pedaling" with both feet when I'm playing with my full rig and seated. Unless you can do something like the old Morley cartoon mascot guy and have pedals for shoes this is a little difficult to do while standing. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_15c.4a9501bf.2f4b67be_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary,

In a message dated 02/20/05 21:14:26, hqr@cox.net writes:

Weak back is one reas= on I am asking--mine hurts . . .=A0 But heck, I'm 52--

Mine too . . . and I will be 52 in a couple of months as well.

The "access to footpedals" question is a reasonable one too. I am frequently=
"pedaling" with both feet when I'm playing with my full rig and seated.
Unless you can do something like the old Morley cartoon mascot guy and
have pedals for shoes this is a little difficult to do while standing.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_15c.4a9501bf.2f4b67be_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 11:49:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LGlqo14586; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:47:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:47:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1e1.36616eae.2f4b6a97@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:47:19 EST Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e1.36616eae.2f4b6a97_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e1.36616eae.2f4b6a97_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Travis, In a message dated 02/20/05 23:32:10, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > I also think most guitarists look dorky sitting down. Sitting is for > old men, drummers and keyboardists. >=20 I am an old man. Looking dorky is a prerequisite for living at this point. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1e1.36616eae.2f4b6a97_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Travis,

In a message dated 02/20/05 23:32:10, travishartnett@gmail.com writes:

I also think most gui= tarists look dorky sitting down. Sitting is for
old men, drummers and keyboardists.

I am an old man. Looking dorky is a prerequisite for living at this point= .

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_1e1.36616eae.2f4b6a97_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 11:54:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LGqio16041; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:52:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:52:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <200502211611.j1LGB7S03078@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502211611.j1LGB7S03078@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7a2f1e34420d3343009601d23e15fe03@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:54:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: d0a6d72aa85685aa51182eff55973efb0a9da525759e265473508c71577f3daff7a379bd9562769499f37241381ec17c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 141.150.210.53 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Based on comfort: Electric - standing Acoustic - seated (no guitar strap). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 12:17:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LGBYi03369; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:11:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:11:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502211611.j1LGB7S03078@hemlock.violacea.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=rtEAAPQv+HYT4Ib8VVB4lDo4saMjnnxiAd6hTLQp0HnMTzqfwB0q1e6JBX9BTq45; Reply-To: From: "ejyuhas" To: "'Gary Lehmann'" , "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:11:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUYLaZ65g9xVMzVR/Sd9PZ21dOKagAAgF/w In-Reply-To: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc71f65abe682cf9a4442dc0d691c1b007350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.69.121.77 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sit, therefore I am ! LOL It makes it easier to hit the semicircle of pedals, loopers and toys...BTW, I'm a guitarist if anyone's taking stats! Ed in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:49 PM To: 'Looper's Delight' Subject: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? Gary PS I assume Larry the Coop sat at Y2K4, with his foot on a stool? G PPS Occasional string players welcome--looppool? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 12:20:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LEniw20288; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:49:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:49:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=csO61O2/gm8tL+kcVr9RrLH5rioUl0q3OE5MT+Wkr/oveKl4ktI2Ib9HUGEt/YAg8zgZFHNKm0IYeFYiuoX3IvHFLQCzYv8vk3qg7JkhnjK5Mf9WGTSgF1mSgqit1qmASsAJeXtN7jMARTz0QSmKDLv8l3TExur846lzWmBewpQ= ; Message-ID: <20050221144837.49536.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:48:37 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: software looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys. I was a subscriber a few years ago and was looping using a Boomerang pedal, but kind of fell out of the proverbial "loop" for awhile. Now I have a greatly renewed interest in returning to looping during my gigs, but I'd like to base it around my G4 Powerbook. I'm not sure what software will do what I'm looking for with a fairly intuitive interface. I have a midi controller keyboard, and would like to use that in conjunction with audio inputs (guitars / mics / bass / whatever) and use all of the above in creating live loops in front of a crowd. Any recommendations? I spent a few days with Ableton Live, but just can't wrap my head around their interface. Surely there's got to be something that is easier to use. If it would simplify the usability of the software, I'd love something that I could use just to loop and overdub audio input (the aforementioned guitars / whatever) and leave the midi controller out of the equation. Thanks for any help. Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 12:21:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LHEHw23642; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:14:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:14:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:13:51 +0000 Message-Id: <022120051713.11358.421A16CF0009915500002C5E21979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 8 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used to sit down and play a big jazzbox guitar (Washburn J6) sitting on my right leg, no strap. This caused me back problems, so later I switched to a solidbody guitar (Ibanez AR-250), played with a strap and not sitting on my leg. Now I use this guitar with the Jazz Looping setup: I sit on a bar stool, and this makes it both comfortable and easy to reach and reliably hit the pedals on the Echoplex. Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 12:22:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LFo4I21735; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:50:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:50:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421A032F.E1409968@brassmonkeyproductions.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:50:07 -0700 From: John Armstrong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only References: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers, I'vc seen an electric bass player with a bad back using a stand that holds his instrument perfectly in place without requiring any support from the player. Not sure if he had it specially built or not - but, it looked cool "floating" above the stage before their set (white bass / black stand). Maybe if bass amps weren't so damn heavy, there would be less bassists with bad backs. For a long time, I dealt with turning my back to the audience or having to crouch down to make adjustments to rack mount gear, cue samples, etc. Eventually, I picked up three keyboard stands and now have all of my gear raised up for easy access while standing. I've also picked up a Shure headset mic ($115 CAD) to prevent bonking my head every set when spinning around to make adjustments. I may add a bar stool without arms to my set up, though. Using the rang with accuracy while rocking a wah pedal can be awkward... Cheers, John Gary Lehmann wrote: > Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) > with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? > Gary > PS I assume Larry the Coop sat at Y2K4, with his foot on a stool? > G > PPS Occasional string players welcome--looppool? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 12:25:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LCtjD20120; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:55:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:55:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andreas Wetterberg" To: Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? -from a keyboardist/fx-guy Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:55:40 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c51814$a5d37b40$0200000a@ANDREAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050220202102.056db008@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2i1SR.A.C6E.PpdGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: 21. februar 2005 07:32 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only --- Let the audience see you. Let them see you push the buttons and turn the knobs. Let them see the blinky lights instead of the back. Hide the cables. It will really really help. Yeah! That's what it's about. I'm not a guitar-player, but I use an fcb and a stool when performing, so I guess this applies to me, as well. I bought a Doepfer Schaltwerk sequencer a few years back, and that machine has the most outstanding visual feedback I've seen since I've started making electronica. With litterally hundreds of litlle LEDs that light up when you play, this sucker is a very good reason to turn your back on the audience; to let them know what you're doing, and you'll look cool while doing it. I also tend to take a step back whenever I've pulled off a particularly difficult loop. It isn't something intentional, but I guess it compliments the performance quite well. Oh, and I stand most of the time. Especially keyboard/laptop dudes like me tend to be sooo boring behind a screen. Yuck. Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 12:26:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LD6RM27296; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:06:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:06:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c51816$2017e070$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> <143423138f45ccfb3eec1b93aecc53ed@sccadv.com> Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:06:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Depends on the venue and the music being played. At the "Critical Mass" show in 2002 I stood up, mainly because there was so little room in the space provided to me and a didgeridoo player, however separately. I was wearing standard black and didn't realize that they were going to have black lights up there - so I felt like Mr. Lint in front of everyone. Later someone told me they were thinking about the sky showing through me while I played, the only other visible bit being the pickguard on my Strat. My thinking at the time was that I didn't want to do the Sitting Down Like Fripp thing, as there was a lot of criticism going round at the time about it. In the US when I played at the Tunnels up in San Gabriel canyon, I found it nice to wander around the outside of the circle, giving all concerned a dose of sound (acoustic with eBow, bounced off the unfinished walls of a 40-50 foot wide tunnel). I also remember thinking in parallel to the kind of thing Neil Young does sometimes. When playing acoustic blues I *always* sit down. I don't know why beyond the need to do the Foot As Slapping Percussion Thing ala Hooker, and the feeling that it's somehow right for the kind of music. Otherwise I've never really thought about it. Thanks for this question then! RIRP, Hunter S. Thompson (Rest In Relative Peace) Gonzo lives! Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com * "I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English to men, and Japanese to my horse." *- Buckaroo Banzai From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 12:27:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LFPWK07456; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:25:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:25:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03ce01c51829$222c6df0$6b01a8c0@deknow> From: "Dean Stiglitz" To: References: <4219539B.7010106@sun.com> Subject: Re: Voice recognition Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:22:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <8Vim-.A.SlB.AzfGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com speech recognition (practical use, not research) is my day job. if anyone has real need of this type of thing (ie, you can't use your hands), i am happy to offer advice (and available for consulting). deknow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Larson" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Voice recognition > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Off this topic, has anyone explored the concept of voice > > recognition-activated MIDI switching? You could wear a head set or cell > > phone-like mic that connected to the computer....when you said, let's > > say, "Ring Mod", the computer would recognize the command and make the > > MIDI change to your rack gear. > > This has been a holy grail of man/machine interfaces for a long time. > Much progress has been made, but they still tend to be a bit quirky. > I'm not familiar with any products specifically for musical use, but of > the ones that I've seen, you have to have a clean quiet signal and > e n u c i a t e v e r y c l e a r l y. Most systems require "training" > where they make you speak a few words or phrases in order to analyze > the characteristics of your voice. Once trained, they can only > recognize a similar sounding voice. The difference between male and > female (pitch) or between healthy and sick (timbre) will confuse it. > When performing live, you have the added complication of sound bleed > from other sources. > > I'm sure there are pieces you could hack together that under the right > circumstances would work. But I'm not aware of anything that is > packaged and optimized for use by musicians. Even if there were, > it would still be unreliable unless you could ensure a pristine > signal (i.e. no stage microphones). > > In practice, nothing beats a dumb old foot switch. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 12:34:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LHWeD29872; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:32:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:32:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Evans Subject: When does it end? Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:30:20 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1LHUVS29353 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm curious to hear if anyone else has the same bittersweet dilemma: Revolving Gear Syndrome. On one hand, it would be really nice to just have a set-up, and stick with it. I think of all the additional time and energy I could be spending on playing, if I could just leave my rig alone. On the other hand, I find a lot of inspiration in the gear itself. New sounds have an affect on my playing, and generate new ideas. It's also pretty fun to troubleshoot the inevitable issues that arise from adding a new device. Where will it work best in the signal path? Series or Parallel? Does this device require another device in order to get the most out of it? Can I figure out a way to get the same sound with the stuff I've already got? Will it be the straw that breaks my back? etc. These questions require a lot of thought, sometimes. I happen to like thinking, so it's all good — but I'd also like to read a good book, you know? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 12:37:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LHa6H31591; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:36:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:36:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:36:15 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only To: Dennis Montgomery , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005601c5183b$dc3009c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <42195590.3020408@speakeasy.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I stand as often as I can. I love to stand, I love to move to the music, I am not afraid to bend over and tweak a knob on a floor pedal, I love to tap my foot - sometimes I HAVE to tap my foot (or feet) because of the polyrhythms I use, and I prefer moving my whole body to a rhythm. I love to see the audience and don't mind at all if they see me. In recent looping rehearsal I discovered my foot cramping up the next day after one-two hours of loop-stomp-tap-at-a-precise-subdivision-of-a-beat-and f-a-d-e-up the volume-fx-just-so. So practicing standing is obvious to me. Like doin' the crane in "The Karate Kid." I think the linear continuum of musician< >performer is a fascinating one. I'm lucky, I guess. I don't *plan* to put on a performance, I just move to the music (or not). And yet I feel quite aware of my physical presence as a performance that the audience is receiving. I'm fine with that, but I also really dig musicians who minimize their performing persona, and those who maxmize it. And those who are not musicians, but perform well. And those who copy performance quirks because they un/consciously want to "look like they're creating music." - dB, coyote > Gary Lehmann wrote: > > >Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) > >with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? > >Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 12:38:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LHXdo30228; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:33:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:33:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.75] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <421A032F.E1409968@brassmonkeyproductions.com> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:32:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2005 17:33:00.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[63C06F20:01C5183B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aw, yes…the old “sitting vs. standing” conundrum… I do both, sometimes at the same gig. As Ted pointed out, it is important to “play the gig”. As an Artist In Residence for the California Arts Council, I frequently get gigs at art galleries and museums; often being background music for openings and receptions. I also have a regular restaurant gig where I perform basically as background music for dining. In these cases I am not, nor is the music I am playing, the “focus” of the events. In such cases I sit (tho’ at times I do get up offa that seat and get funky…), and blend into the background. For solo shows, where the focus is my playing, I usually stand. The reason here is “the show” (and as this thread is melding into one on stage presence, I will address that as well). For the most part, audiences are not so mesmerized by looping gear, technology or techniques. Our culture has greatly elevated the performance, or “show” aspects of musical performance and, like it or not, most audiences expect to be entertained. >From time to time you can, and will, encounter audiences for who the aural phenomenon of music is priority; or those who are rapt by the skill of a musician applying his/her craft. But even so, the entertainment factor does weigh in. For solo performers, and us loopists, this is particularly problematic. Often, when watching other loopists at work, I am quite aware at how many of us are somewhat oblivious to the audience (and I have been particularly guilty of this in the past). Granted, whether the audience is aware of it or not, what we do with loops is not particularly easy (timing is always a tricky issue). When playing in an ensemble, guitarists, bassists, singers, and even those awardees of great slack, drummers, are afforded the luxury of having comrades to “cover” timing issues, lapses of concentration , and the (somewhat dreaded ) “entertainment” factor. Playing solo, and this is augmented by both the tactile and technological problems of using loops in a solo context, illuminates these problems exponentially. As to the question of stage presence and of sitting/standing, in all situations (save for the aforementioned cases where I consciously try to blend into the background) I strive to be engaged with the audience. Three members of our list who excel at this, and have greatly influenced me here, are Rick, Bill Walker and Steve Lawson. All three of these inject a sense of humor and irony into their performances, engaging the audience, making light of their errors (sometimes giving focus to their trainwrecks), and making the sometimes cerebral act of looping more entertaining without stooping to the cliché rock-guitar type of posturing (although I have seen all three mockingly do this as well…)…and let’s face it, some of those now cliché gestures (grimaces, the tossing back of the head and feigned intensity are really just downright embarrassing). A performance is a statement. It has import. As performers it is necessary to acknowledge our audiences, to recognize their intelligence and appreciate their patronage. Our level of entertaining that audience can greatly vary. The simple act of standing and moving about after being seated for a time can generate a visual interest. Making eye contact with the audience, laughing, making off-hand quips, or even pausing your playing to listen to the loop and “actively contemplate” your next move can all greatly enhance an audience’s interaction with your performance. A few years back I did some duet shows with our prodigal son, Andre LaFosse. At the time he was using an old Roland drum Machine to manually “randomize” the processing of his EDP loops (knowing Andre, I tend to think that most of this was hardly random.). That alone could have been sonically novel and intriguing, yet he took it a step further by placing that machine on a stand in the center of the stage, and walking around it dramatically pondering the sounds of his loopage, before rushing to the machine with both hands and chaotically “playing” the buttons of the machine (which in turn would do amazing things to the sound of his guitar loops…). It was at the same time aurally intense, innovative, visually stimulating and theatrically entertaining. Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 12:41:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LHamp32015; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:36:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:36:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.219.75] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <004c01c51809$2f6cf810$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Voice recognition Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:33:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2005 17:34:01.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[8853FD70:01C5183B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While it's true that many ,urban and suburban americans have the media standard accent,because TV is their community,it's still an accent. If you listen to all the dialects of English spoken around the world ,you would never mistake an american one for any other ,except maybe Canadian -but those are dicernable too. People in the SE and NE still tend to have distinct accents by which one can often identify social srata as well as region.It has changed alot Steinbeck talks of being able to tell what county someone was from by their accent. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 12:45:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LHiFP01912; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:44:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:44:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:43:03 -0700 Message-Id: <200502211743.j1LHh3r17888@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: When does it end? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.15.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had an experience this weekend that I think sums up the dilemma perfectly. I just reconfigured my rig and put a VF-1 into the mix and was getting set to give it a test run, see how my configurations had worked (stereo output split to a DL4 and a DD20 with their stereo outputs split to two sets of inputs on the mixer. Alt send 3-4 on the mixer sent out to the VF-1 which then returns to normal inputs in the mixer and so on. Seems like a convoluted mess but it does work). Anyway, I'm getting ready to play after finally getting everything plugged in and configured and I couldn't find a chord to plug the guitar into the whole thing. I was greatly amused by this. Kevin > I'm curious to hear if anyone else has the same bittersweet dilemma: > Revolving Gear Syndrome. > > On one hand, it would be really nice to just have a set-up, and stick > with it. I think of all the additional time and energy I could be > spending on playing, if I could just leave my rig alone. > > On the other hand, I find a lot of inspiration in the gear itself. New > sounds have an affect on my playing, and generate new ideas. > It's also pretty fun to troubleshoot the inevitable issues that arise > from adding a new device. Where will it work best in the signal path? > Series or Parallel? Does this device require another device in order to > get the most out of it? Can I figure out a way to get the same sound > with the stuff I've already got? Will it be the straw that breaks my > back? etc. These questions require a lot of thought, sometimes. I > happen to like thinking, so it's all good — but I'd also like to read a > good book, you know? > > How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 12:45:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LHheB01599; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:43:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:43:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:43:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c5183c$d3f30270$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <022120051713.11358.421A16CF0009915500002C5E21979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 90, in=202, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone use a drum stool? I'm thinking of getting one, because they are padded, swivel around to access a plethora of pedal devices, racks on either side, and their height is adjustable. K- -----Original Message----- From: mwsmart@insightbb.com [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 10:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only I used to sit down and play a big jazzbox guitar (Washburn J6) sitting on my right leg, no strap. This caused me back problems, so later I switched to a solidbody guitar (Ibanez AR-250), played with a strap and not sitting on my leg. Now I use this guitar with the Jazz Looping setup: I sit on a bar stool, and this makes it both comfortable and easy to reach and reliably hit the pedals on the Echoplex. Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 12:56:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LHtOx04486; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:55:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:55:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.75] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:54:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2005 17:55:00.0508 (UTC) FILETIME=[768035C0:01C5183E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have in the past used drum thrones and those portable keyboard benches. A few months back I bought A tall "universal throne". It has a padded seat and backrest, does not swivel but has a built in foot stool. It is bigger, and so a little more cumbersome to pack, than either a drum throne or keybrd bench, but it sits higher (adjustable to something like 37" from floor to bottom of seat) so I sit taller to the audience, which adds to visual aspect of performance. This also helps in switching from sitting to standing p[ositions as the difference between the two is not so...drastic (even tho I am also quite tall). > >Anyone use a drum stool? I'm thinking of getting one, because they are >padded, swivel around to access a plethora of pedal devices, racks on >either side, and their height is adjustable. > >K- Kim made a great point about hiding behind one's gear. If you must have such a complicated setup, and do a lot of tweaking of it........let the audience see that as well! And yes, neaten up those cords. How many times have we seen "one of out own" digging thru a cord-orgy to find the culprit of a technological SNAFU...while on stage! Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 13:00:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LHwNs05503; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:58:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:58:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.219.75] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:56:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2005 17:57:02.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEEBA380:01C5183E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those of you having troubles with backs,footcramps,and even the slightly dreaded entetertainment factor,if you haven't already you might try stretching ,loosening up by swinging arms,rotating hips ,jumping up and down etc.,and deep breathing to get ready to play. As far as being the focus of attention,audiences want to forget their routine for a little while ,they want to have some reference to connect to ,and something new and unexpected to make them lose track of time and whatever loops habitually run through their minds,this too is part of how music can heal. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 13:00:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LHxE507366; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:59:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:59:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:58:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000e01c5183c$d3f30270$6601a8c0@khartung> Thread-Index: AcUYPStkLnrjDHEBQ/6eN1pNOiAlygAAPeVw Message-Id: <20050221175854.ERSQ12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- Krispen wondered: Anyone use a drum stool? I'm thinking of getting one, because they are padded, swivel around to access a plethora of pedal devices, racks on either side, and their height is adjustable. --->I do! When I did a solo in the 80's, I would kick bass pedals, and this required seating--I acquired a drum stool, still use it some--but no back support on that puppy. Incidently, I was drawn to bass kicking when I was in a duo with a fellow who played guitar and kicked bass--George York is his name, and we were called The Bass Went Home--"the world's only two man trio". He would use a tall wooden stool, prop himself up with his butt just barely hanging off the edge, and with his long legs, from the audience it looked like he was standing! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 13:02:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LI0Rt07923; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:00:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:00:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.75] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When Does It End? Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:59:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2005 18:00:01.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[29D6B3B0:01C5183F] Resent-Message-ID: <4QRE7D.A.p6B.oGiGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of my favorite quotes comes from Albert Einstein who said: "Things should be kept as simple as neccessary, but not any simpler." Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 13:11:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LI9Cr10796; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:09:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:09:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=feOm+JYRZ6Clp0h1VAJZszJbfZ4I+GrHc18j8UN3+pNM+8LvIY3pvSIhWqqlAp4Fcc/a9xXGsc4mGEmSErcJjoehGB3Ertrj6iJScMRyXAYrJMcYdXTVJuxRJBTPorFMSIbDxj5t2jmeFtea74pYjn3p/6WHJ6RnOx3yVReXhTs= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:08:53 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: software looping In-Reply-To: <20050221144837.49536.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050221144837.49536.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suggest you try the recently released SooperLooper at http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ which shares many features with the EDP. Let me know how it works for you... jlf On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:48:37 -0800 (PST), mike feeney wrote: > Hey guys. > > I was a subscriber a few years ago and was looping > using a Boomerang pedal, but kind of fell out of the > proverbial "loop" for awhile. Now I have a greatly > renewed interest in returning to looping during my > gigs, but I'd like to base it around my G4 Powerbook. > > I'm not sure what software will do what I'm looking > for with a fairly intuitive interface. I have a midi > controller keyboard, and would like to use that in > conjunction with audio inputs (guitars / mics / bass / > whatever) and use all of the above in creating live > loops in front of a crowd. > > Any recommendations? I spent a few days with Ableton > Live, but just can't wrap my head around their > interface. Surely there's got to be something that is > easier to use. > > If it would simplify the usability of the software, > I'd love something that I could use just to loop and > overdub audio input (the aforementioned guitars / > whatever) and leave the midi controller out of the > equation. > > Thanks for any help. > Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 13:11:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LI7Ib09785; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:07:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:07:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: When does it end? Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:06:51 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c51840$1ec46c50$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 90, in=178, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are only two cures for me on this one: 1) giving up all electronics completely and going to strictly my acoustic, or 2) finding the holy grail of rack gear that replaces everything in my 8 space rack now...like maybe just two processors (top of the line Eventide and Lexicon) and a stereo, single rack mount looper (I'm waiting for this one to come out)....probably about a $8,000 rack. But to your point, I do get some pleasure from acquiring the gear, tweaking it, learning about it, spending hours on creating a graphical interactive tour on my website, etc, etc. In my 25 years of playing guitar, I have gone through multiple systems - combo amp + pedal effects, combo amp + rack effects, powered speakers + rack effects, non-powered stereo speakers + rack effects and power, pedal effects inside a rack + combo amps...and I've gone through this series several times, everything from 2 space racks to 20 space shockmount racks that lit up like Christmas trees. At some point in time, you just have to play, which is the practical solution between these two cures for me. One day, something may click in my head, and I'll show up for a gig with my acoustic guitar, a pig nose amp, and a Boss RC-20. And then I'll focus on just the notes, rather than the "dressing" around the notes. The effect madness, albeit fun, is sort of liking looking out a window pane. What you see is the notes. You can put all sort of fancy designs around the window pane on the molding, use stain glass to colorize the view, or alter the glass to distort or completely mangle the view, but in the end it's still the notes on the other side of the window. At this stage in my life, I'm not content with just the unaltered view through the window. I prefer an altered view of reality, the sci-fi, fantastic escape from reality. :) One day I may become obsessed with the purity of the view through the window pane. This is what I admire about you guys who show up with a laptop and a microphone in your hand, using nothing but your voice...no effects, etc. That to me seems very liberating and empowering. For now, I am voluntarily and happily (sadomasochisticly) enslaved by the rack. ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Evans [mailto:jeff@sccadv.com] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 10:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: When does it end? I'm curious to hear if anyone else has the same bittersweet dilemma: Revolving Gear Syndrome. On one hand, it would be really nice to just have a set-up, and stick with it. I think of all the additional time and energy I could be spending on playing, if I could just leave my rig alone. On the other hand, I find a lot of inspiration in the gear itself. New sounds have an affect on my playing, and generate new ideas. It's also pretty fun to troubleshoot the inevitable issues that arise from adding a new device. Where will it work best in the signal path? Series or Parallel? Does this device require another device in order to get the most out of it? Can I figure out a way to get the same sound with the stuff I've already got? Will it be the straw that breaks my back? etc. These questions require a lot of thought, sometimes. I happen to like thinking, so it's all good - but I'd also like to read a good book, you know? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 13:16:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LIB7Y11635; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:11:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:11:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:17:27 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only To: Message-id: <000b01c51841$9a5c2c80$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004101c517b9$f27dda90$6601a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always stand. Which means I get to stand / balance on one leg *a lot* as I press EDP footpedal buttons, operate other pedals, volume pedals and such. I like the mobility I can when I stand. The mobility allows me to flow better. I tried sitting a few times and it didn't work for me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 13:16:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LIG5k13034; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:16:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:16:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <042101c51841$5abc2df0$6b01a8c0@deknow> From: "Dean Stiglitz" To: "Stephen Goodman" , , References: <004c01c51809$2f6cf810$0207a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: Voice recognition Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:15:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <2YTIaB.A.ZID.UViGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, i suppose i should elaborate a little. 1. almost without exception, a few hundred dollars spent in training will save many hours of frustration. a little bit of help goes a long way (having a trainer durring the initial "enrollment" is really important), and the frustration (when it does not work) can be overwhelming. this said, using the current available best gear (1.5ghz pc, 512ram, naturallyspeaking), most people can dictate 100 wpm with better than 95% accuracy. it is not the same as talking, and some attention must be paid to what you are doing. 2. the above is for dictating text....executing commands is much easier/faster/more accurate (and they should never be one word commands). the version of the software that has good command writing capabilities is expensive (but nicely integrated). ...the cheap version that is designed for straight dictation (same core as the more expensive version) can be used with a 3rd party macro program (like macro express). 3. i say this as someone who has trained more than 100 users in all situations (head admistrators of hospitals, doctors, lawyers, state workers, disabled senior citizens, etc). not everyone is able to regulate their speech appropriatly, and not everyone can make it work (accents are not necessarily a problem). ..i'm not sure where it would be helpful for most musicians (perhaps quick navigation between edit points or something). if anyone has an application where sr (speech recognition) would be an enhancement, i'd love to hear about it. deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 13:23:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LIM4N14851; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:22:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:22:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:27:47 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: ugly racks of gear To: Message-id: <003001c51843$0b6b8b40$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> <6.2.0.14.2.20050220202102.056db008@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm totally with Kim on this. I ALWAYS try to find a way to arrange my equipment so that the rack is besides me. And as many of you who have racks will know, stages are not always optimal for the player to do this. However, I can't tell you how many times people come up to me after shows and say how they really got into seeing me operate effects in my rack. People seem to "get" the music better when they get to see it built. Others have mentioned stuff about seeing what I'm concentrated on helps them feel connection to what is going on. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 1:31 AM Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only > At 05:49 PM 2/20/2005, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) > >with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? > > Interesting, I always meant to comment about this after these various loop > festivals. > > Having watched many looper guitarists perform, I really, really think many > of you need to learn to play standing up. Guitarists sitting down almost > always look very lame. They have less stage presence, less energy, and less > connection with the audience than guitarists standing up. Especially if you > sit in a crappy looking chair instead of a stool, and do the big > flappy-foot, legs-spread style of toe tapping. ugh. > > The only two people I've seen pull it off sitting down were Matthias Grob > and Steve Lawson, and I think it is because they are both very tall, have > good posture, and have the stage experience to engage the audience anyway. > > There are only three contexts where I think guitarists look ok sitting > during a performance: a) big band jazz (at the end of the sax line), b) > classical (with a stool), and c) when they have some apparent physical > hardship (like being a 97 year old blind blues player). > > Yes, I know. It is hard to tap the buttons while standing. But if Andre > LaFosse can do his thing standing up, you can learn to do it too. He taps > buttons a thousand times more often than you. Practice standing up, and you > will be fine. > > Oh, and while we are at it: The ugly rack of gear. I'm really tired of > being in the audience and watching a performance by the back of an ugly > rack of gear. You have a big tangle of ugly cables all spilling out, and > your head barely poking up over the top. Most of your racks do not have > good stage presence. Move the rack somewhere to the side or behind you. Buy > some interesting cloth to put over it. Let the audience see you. Let them > see you push the buttons and turn the knobs. Let them see the blinky lights > instead of the back. Hide the cables. It will really really help. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 13:24:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LIMqi15296; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:22:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:22:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:22:24 EST Subject: Re: When does it end? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d6.20b564ed.2f4b80e0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d6.20b564ed.2f4b80e0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff, In a message dated 02/21/05 9:31:02, jeff@sccadv.com writes: > I'm curious to hear if anyone else has the same bittersweet dilemma: > Revolving Gear Syndrome. >=20 Yeah. It's a lesser known malady, related to G.A.S. (Gear Acquisition=20 Syndrome). Heheheh. I tend to go for long periods of not changing=20 anything' cause I've found a set of sounds and a way of working I=20 really like/enjoy. I can be fairly content with this for extended periods. But, after a while, dissatisfaction/boredom creeps in -- over the=20 months or even years. Suddenly, something snaps and all is chaos.=20 Then, everything is continually in flux 'til I find that "new" way of=20 sounding, listening, working and re-working the gear and my method=20 of interacting with it 'til I have hit on an area of interest that renews=20 my curiosity, sense of wonder and joy in simple noisemaking. I am in one of those states of chaos right now -- waiting for the arrival=20 of the next phase (or for age and this decrepit corpus to catch up with me). Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_d6.20b564ed.2f4b80e0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff,

In a message dated 02/21/05 9:31:02, jeff@sccadv.com writes:

I'm curious to hear if= anyone else has the same bittersweet dilemma:
Revolving Gear Syndrome.

Yeah. It's a lesser known malady, related to G.A.S. (Gear Acquisition
Syndrome). Heheheh. I tend to go for long periods of not changing
anything' cause I've found a set of sounds and a way of working I
really like/enjoy. I can be fairly content with this for extended periods.
But, after a while, dissatisfaction/boredom creeps in -- over the
months or even years. Suddenly, something snaps and all is chaos.
Then, everything is continually in flux 'til I find that "new" way of
sounding, listening, working and re-working the gear and my method
of interacting with it 'til I have hit on an area of interest that renews my curiosity, sense of wonder and joy in simple noisemaking.

I am in one of those states of chaos right now -- waiting for the arrival of the next phase (or for age and this decrepit corpus to catch up with me).=

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_d6.20b564ed.2f4b80e0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 13:32:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LIU6P17219; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:30:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:30:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:36:21 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows To: Message-id: <006301c51844$3ea26500$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm curious to hear ideas and techniques people have used (or stopped using) to end an ambient piece of music at a live show. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 13:35:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LIXaL18734; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:33:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:33:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:38:56 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only To: Message-id: <007301c51844$9a12e720$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000e01c5183c$d3f30270$6601a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you get a drum stool, be sure to check it can get high enough to be "right" for your need. Also, look at stools with a little tiny backrest. They made a BIG difference to comfort. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only > Anyone use a drum stool? I'm thinking of getting one, because they are > padded, swivel around to access a plethora of pedal devices, racks on > either side, and their height is adjustable. > > K- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mwsmart@insightbb.com [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 10:14 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only > > > > > > I used to sit down and play a big jazzbox guitar (Washburn J6) sitting > on my > right leg, no strap. This caused me back problems, so later I switched > to a > solidbody guitar (Ibanez AR-250), played with a strap and not sitting on > my leg. Now I use this guitar with the Jazz Looping setup: > > > > > I sit on a bar stool, and this makes it both comfortable and easy to > reach and reliably hit the pedals on the Echoplex. > > Mark Smart > www.marksmart.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 13:51:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LIkgr22063; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:46:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:46:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421A2C46.8020901@biink.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:45:26 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows References: <006301c51844$3ea26500$0affff0a@hppav> In-Reply-To: <006301c51844$3ea26500$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1N0EKC.A.KRF.DxiGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Kirkdorffer wrote: >I'm curious to hear ideas and techniques people have used (or stopped using) >to end an ambient piece of music at a live show. > The long fade. The longer the better. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 14:04:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LJ2kf28214; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:02:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:02:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:02:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C51804.CC68C040" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <100.d922928.2f4a3031@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C51804.CC68C040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Scoots, I have a sunrise soundhole pickup and buffer preamp you are welcome too, if you want, that would work well in your guild guitar. Interested? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I dig it RE: It's about Larry's MUSIC(?) In a message dated 2/19/05 6:22:34 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: please cut me some slack. rickeee.....you want us to record some aloha guitar for ya? huh?.....s.g. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C51804.CC68C040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey=20 Scoots, I have a sunrise soundhole pickup and buffer preamp you are = welcome too,=20 if you want, that would work well in your guild = guitar.
Interested?
Bill
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In a=20 message dated 2/19/05 6:22:34 PM, looppool@cruzio.com = writes:


please cut me
some slack.


rickeee.....you want us = to record=20 some aloha guitar for ya? huh?.....s.g. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C51804.CC68C040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 14:05:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LJ1oc27794; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:01:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:01:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <421A2C46.8020901@biink.com> References: <006301c51844$3ea26500$0affff0a@hppav> <421A2C46.8020901@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:04:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8jgiYD.A.TxG.JAjGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Set the feedback to about 70% and walk away. On Feb 21, 2005, at 12:45 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >> I'm curious to hear ideas and techniques people have used (or stopped >> using) >> to end an ambient piece of music at a live show. >> > The long fade. The longer the better. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 14:09:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LJ8qr29929; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:08:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:08:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421A31AB.8080105@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:08:27 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When does it end? References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-20EuC.A.LSH.yGjGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think we're seeing signs of it ending now with the laptop. Just in the last month there's been like 3+ loopers! Though that may be "the end" for hardware, its just the beginning for software GAS. Neil -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.2.0 - Release Date: 2/21/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 14:14:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LJC9L31028; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:12:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:12:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421A32D1.7020805@sep.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:13:21 -0500 From: Tom Combs User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When does it end? References: <421A31AB.8080105@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <421A31AB.8080105@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Software GAS is much less expensive :) at least once you get all the hardware running tip-top. Neil Goldstein wrote: > I think we're seeing signs of it ending now with the laptop. Just in the > last month there's been like 3+ loopers! > > Though that may be "the end" for hardware, its just the beginning for > software GAS. > > Neil > > > > > -- Tom Combs SEP, Inc. 11611 N Meridian Street Suite 800 Carmel, IN 46032 (317) 843-1640 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 14:24:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LJN4w03338; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:23:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:23:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:22:13 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c5184a$a5bb76e0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006301c51844$3ea26500$0affff0a@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 90, in=204, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sometimes fade out, but I don't think that is a particular creative way to end a song, unless I'm morphing immediately into my second song. I like to pick the intro theme that I started with or some other melodic theme that occurs throughout the song, hit the mute button, and end with that single part in time. It brings the listener back full circle and closes the loop. Two of my looping music videos illistrate this: Slipstream and Quiddity. http://zed.cbc.ca/go.ZeD?POS=6&CONTENT_ID=189906&FILTER_KEY=169444&page= content (main page) http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Krispen_Hartung_-_Slipst ream2.wmv http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Krispen_Hartung_-_Quiddi ty.wmv Kris -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows I'm curious to hear ideas and techniques people have used (or stopped using) to end an ambient piece of music at a live show. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 14:24:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LJN5v03375; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:23:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:23:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=S+c650hiX3LrHPYCvornvy62wvSPNi8Cp/BcRQc6+Tt1AuEyeQwH9gu/Lk7wbs0H4rl90Vp5FdoQXI5u7KaH/2C9/VE41bVa3oQF6tg1Bv98+gZldrf/NeyRNSo4Jti52OAZXjWMbQn1Yu4XoMxOwQxcSHtlAfm7X3jbDDTJZZ4= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:22:41 -0800 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? In-Reply-To: <20050221175854.ERSQ12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <000e01c5183c$d3f30270$6601a8c0@khartung> <20050221175854.ERSQ12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use my pedal steel pack-a-seat. Some of you guys would probably dig these. You can get them with a back rest, they have storage compartments (some have side compartments for accessible gadgets while you are playing) and they fold up when you are ready to lug it around. They come with handles for easy movement. On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:58:48 -0800, Gary Lehmann wrote: > -----Original Message----- > Krispen wondered: > > Anyone use a drum stool? I'm thinking of getting one, because they are > padded, swivel around to access a plethora of pedal devices, racks on either > side, and their height is adjustable. > > --->I do! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 14:26:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LJPom05270; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:25:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:25:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421A35B3.3050006@neoprimitive.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:25:39 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows References: <006301c51844$3ea26500$0affff0a@hppav> <421A2C46.8020901@biink.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f41beda06d0f0aa8b2759a729a014ec1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Historically, minimalist pieces usually end with a studio fade, or a brick wall-type ending. You either do that, or you have no endings and just blend each piece into the next. Actually, historically, minimalist pieces ended with, what, punk rock? 1, 2, 3, 4! -J Michael Firman wrote: > Set the feedback to about 70% and walk away. > > On Feb 21, 2005, at 12:45 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > >> David Kirkdorffer wrote: >> >>> I'm curious to hear ideas and techniques people have used (or stopped >>> using) >>> to end an ambient piece of music at a live show. >>> >> The long fade. The longer the better. >> >> -- >> * David Beardsley >> * microtonal guitar >> * http://biink.com/db >> >> > -- > | Michael A. Firman > | maf@mlswebworks.com > | http://www.mlswebworks.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 14:30:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LJSlk06338; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:28:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:28:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421A366F.2020605@neoprimitive.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:28:47 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows References: <006301c51844$3ea26500$0affff0a@hppav> <421A2C46.8020901@biink.com> <421A35B3.3050006@neoprimitive.net> In-Reply-To: <421A35B3.3050006@neoprimitive.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f04349bdffaa40542e36e661e3f84fd1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, no, wait, punk rock is minimalism... Fuck. -J Jesse Lucas wrote: > Historically, minimalist pieces usually end with a studio fade, or a > brick wall-type ending. > > You either do that, or you have no endings and just blend each piece > into the next. > > Actually, historically, minimalist pieces ended with, what, punk rock? > > 1, 2, 3, 4! > > -J > > > > Michael Firman wrote: > >> Set the feedback to about 70% and walk away. >> >> On Feb 21, 2005, at 12:45 PM, David Beardsley wrote: >> >>> David Kirkdorffer wrote: >>> >>>> I'm curious to hear ideas and techniques people have used (or >>>> stopped using) >>>> to end an ambient piece of music at a live show. >>>> >>> The long fade. The longer the better. >>> >>> -- >>> * David Beardsley >>> * microtonal guitar >>> * http://biink.com/db >>> >>> >> -- >> | Michael A. Firman >> | maf@mlswebworks.com >> | http://www.mlswebworks.com >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 14:34:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LJWAA08470; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:32:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:32:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:35:09 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <006301c51844$3ea26500$0affff0a@hppav> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1. Start playing a long drawn note before killing the loop and let that ring out or even play some ending musical gesture. 2. Reduce Feedback. This can be tricky, because depending on the length of your loop this can take a while to kick in. Say, if your loop is 10 s, then whatever value you set the feedback to, it will take 10 s before you hear the decrease. Also, it's worth paying attention not to turn down the feedback too quickly as this will be audible as jumps. So you don't get a fade but rather a decrease in discrete steps at a peroid equal to your loop's length. I've learnt it the hard way by ruining an otherwise ok recording. I fixed it by interpolating smoothly between the jumps in an audio editor which was quite tedious... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Montag, 21. Februar 2005 19:36 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > > > I'm curious to hear ideas and techniques people have used (or > stopped using) > to end an ambient piece of music at a live show. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 14:34:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LJTjV06899; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:29:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:29:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <147.4007373b.2f4b905a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:28:26 EST Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_147.4007373b.2f4b905a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <8LJJED.A.ehB.oZjGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_147.4007373b.2f4b905a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/21/05 2:32:10 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > Sitting is for > old men > well this dorky old man is trying to figure out how to lay down while playing and use his nose to push buttons.....:).....there are many times when i use both feet controling the digi space pedal and the zoom 2100 xpression pedal.....i would much rather stand, i look soooooooo much kooler.....right!.....when an old dorky man looks into a mirror he dosen't expect to see a beautiful young bill walker looking back.....could you just imagine an entire symphony orchestra up on their feet boogying to da classics!.....next your going to tell me sandex is dorky!.....yikes.....michael the old --part1_147.4007373b.2f4b905a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Sitting is for
old men

well this dorky old man is trying to figure out how to lay down while playin= g and use his nose to push buttons.....:).....there are many times when i us= e both feet controling the digi space pedal and the zoom 2100 xpression peda= l.....i would much rather stand, i look soooooooo much kooler.....right!....= .when an old dorky man looks into a mirror he dosen't expect to see a beauti= ful young bill walker looking back.....could you just imagine an entire symp= hony orchestra up on their feet boogying to da classics!.....next your going= to tell me sandex is dorky!.....yikes.....michael the old
 --part1_147.4007373b.2f4b905a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 14:35:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LJU8S07092; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:30:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:30:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=T7z7LyB+d3nzMjlkgwjlTqhRWXE69UYfxOJ8Fp/Tw0LnoBnh122TeGWhCBfy4bZ1yIVpW2cTv+gfVw1SGrUU60VbUyEh8WAn4pPNIwxdCsISCAvFCGsVpVEjyAdMB5ckKSexyQ4LEQcbkdifh7m4qzFO+Oyi/zEbcaWnrV5cVFs= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:28:55 -0600 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Heads up, new PayPal spoof... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050220193527.44102.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those who are concerned about such things, there is a wonderful extension available for the Firefox browser call "SpoofStick" that gives you a status bar indicating the actual domain name you are viewing. For example, if a page claims to be PayPal.com, but is in fact Phishers-R-Us.com, the SpoofStick will show the Phishers... address even if the page is programmed to spoof the location bar. It's a nice bit of added protection, especially for days when your 'bullshit detector' is on vacation or otherwise impaired. You can find Firefox and SpoofStick (along with many other extensions) at mozilla.org. Cheers, Jon Southwood On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:44:20 -0800, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 11:35 AM -0800 2/20/05, S V G wrote: > > Just a quick heads up to everyone out there who uses PayPal. > >There's a new spoof going around > > I get several of these per day and have been since the beginning of > the year. I automatically forward any such messages to > . I get similar messages posing as eBay and Citi > Card security notices. They're all bogus. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 14:41:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LJcSV10243; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:38:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:38:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=kihnKfU0DiDLj2qDVtieHmITz9LE1eXtu+cfjhkoA3+STkiSmPXM6mT+bxIDY+xHj/0fZxAPeDHVY4F5QQ+MM1E5rZQmxNusBigyW4BMFGQtIJPMStgvi3ajkPHgflKOJqDdLkPxnWLx3v5H7xTGGAG0TX+NL1Y0qwoCrdSAPms= Message-ID: <2fb9e47305022111377a45e469@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:37:06 -0500 From: Clint Allen Reply-To: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only In-Reply-To: <000e01c5183c$d3f30270$6601a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <022120051713.11358.421A16CF0009915500002C5E21979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> <000e01c5183c$d3f30270$6601a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I actually use a drum stool and I play Chapman Stick, so mine is a constant struggle of getting up, sitting down, swiveling, adjusting, NOT hitting the EDP dead-on, messing up, and starting all over. The last show I played was video-taped for a local Art program, and I had the displeasure of seeing (in very good quality) how much of this I actually do. I can't wait to see the final report of sitting versus standing statistics. There will be a report, right? Clint Allen www.clintallen.com On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:43:17 -0700, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Anyone use a drum stool? I'm thinking of getting one, because they are > padded, swivel around to access a plethora of pedal devices, racks on > either side, and their height is adjustable. > > K- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mwsmart@insightbb.com [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 10:14 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only > > I used to sit down and play a big jazzbox guitar (Washburn J6) sitting > on my > right leg, no strap. This caused me back problems, so later I switched > to a > solidbody guitar (Ibanez AR-250), played with a strap and not sitting on > my leg. Now I use this guitar with the Jazz Looping setup: > > > > > I sit on a bar stool, and this makes it both comfortable and easy to > reach and reliably hit the pedals on the Echoplex. > > Mark Smart > www.marksmart.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 14:44:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LJgV611604; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:42:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:42:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a601c5184d$700f81a0$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000001c51810$18db8470$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: audio 2 midi trigger for Ableton live! Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:43:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <3DQGg.A.AzC.WmjGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rainer, Check out http://www.drumagog.com/ If the midi out won't show up, try using something like MIDI Yoke and/or MIDIOX. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:23 AM Subject: audio 2 midi trigger for Ableton live! > Does anyone know of an audio to midi trigger plugin which works in > ableton live (current version) and runs in real-time? > > What I want to do: > > I want to use audio clips (either prerecorded loops or loops recorded > on-the-fly) to trigger sounds from a VSTi drum machine. I found this > device called KTDrum Trigger at koen.smartelectronix.com - > unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work in Live: its MIDI output doesn't > appear in the chooser list for input to a MIDI track. > > Is there an alternative, or is there a workaround to the problem I > described? > > Thanks, > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 15:03:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LK1aG22117; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:01:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:01:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1109016072!12265183!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329E14@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: When does it end? Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:59:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5184F.DE284030" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5184F.DE284030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I'm curious to hear if anyone else has the same bittersweet dilemma: Revolving Gear Syndrome.<< jeff, I think you're asking the wrong group of people.... unless larry's still there.... :-) >>There are only two cures for me on this one: 1) giving up all electronics completely and going to strictly my acoustic, or 2) finding the holy grail of rack gear that replaces everything in my 8 space rack now...like maybe just two processors<< krispen has put his finger on it for me. the problem occurs whenever you arrive at a combination of gear that offers a particular, shall we call it "music-making functionality"? when you get there, you've usually gone though a great deal of strife getting various bits of kit to work in accord. your gizmo from the states is finally talking the right flavour of midi NRPN's to your gadget from japan, & you can run the whole rig from a midi-board from germany AND it all fits in the bit of your car that's left over when the rest of the band have got in. & then some smart-arse at one of the manufacturers comes up with a new /thing/ that does all of what your complex rig does, only it's the size of a paperback & runs on watch batteries. there's no steep learning curve, because the thing does exactly what you need for your musical vision. it's almost as if the guy who designed it came to one of your gigs & took pictures of your rig. so you buy one & now there's room for something else in the car..... you see where I'm going with this? that's how my band went from schlepping a flight-case the size of a fridge to being able to gig overseas & actually make more noises than before..... but nowadays we have to factor in a drum-kit, a bass-rig & as many amps as the guitarist is into that week. so there's no net saving, even though the current flight-case would fit in a brief-case. & of course, the fact that the guy who did the spying at your gig has sussed your technique so precisely that he can fit it all onto a dsp the size of a stamp... well, that is sort of galling too. so you invent new tricks, & you have to figure out how to get the new thing to work with it's new japanese cousin & maybe you'll need to remote the whole shebang with some fancy controller from the netherlands..... in short, it doesn't. we are, largely, musician/engineers or engineer/musicians. I say "largely" in case larry IS still there. :-) as much as he or anyone else may dislike it, a lot of us aren't content with just exploring the nuances on offer from 12 notes or the limitations imposed by using a traditional musical toolset. we like to hear sounds that no-one's heard before, & experimenting with technology is our way of creating those new sounds. but (& it's a two-edged blade) technology ages very quickly these days. it's very difficult indeed to step off the evolutionary spiral & say "I'm stopping here- I've got what I need". duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>I'm curious to hear if anyone else has the same b= ittersweet dilemma: Revolving Gear Syndrome.<<

jeff, I think you're asking the wrong group of people....= unless larry's still there.... :-)

>>There are only two cures for me on this one: 1) g= iving up all electronics completely and going to strictly my acoustic, or 2= ) finding the holy grail of rack gear that replaces everything in my 8 spac= e rack now...like maybe just two processors<<

krispen has put his finger on it for me. the problem occu= rs whenever you arrive at a combination of gear that offers a particular, s= hall we call it "music-making functionality"?

 
when you get there, you've usually gone though a great d= eal of strife getting various bits of kit to work in accord.

your gizmo from the states is finally talking the right f= lavour of midi NRPN's to your gadget from japan, & you can run the whol= e rig from a midi-board from germany AND it all fits in the bit of your car= that's left over when the rest of the band have got in.

& then some smart-arse at one of the manufacturers co= mes up with a new /thing/ that does all of what your complex rig does, only= it's the size of a paperback & runs on watch batteries. there's no ste= ep learning curve, because the thing does exactly what you need for your mu= sical vision.

it's almost as if the guy who designed it came to one of = your gigs & took pictures of your rig.
so you buy one & now there's room for something else= in the car.....

you see where I'm going with this?

that's how my band went from schlepping a flight-case the= size of a fridge to being able to gig overseas & actually make more no= ises than before..... but nowadays we have to factor in a drum-kit, a bass-= rig & as many amps as the guitarist is into that week. so there's no ne= t saving, even though the current flight-case would fit in a brief-case.

 
& of course, the fact that the guy who did the spyin= g at your gig has sussed your technique so precisely that he can fit it all= onto a dsp the size of a stamp... well, that is sort of galling too. so yo= u invent new tricks, & you have to figure out how to get the new thing = to work with it's new japanese cousin & maybe you'll need to remote the= whole shebang with some fancy controller from the netherlands..... =

in short, it doesn't.
we are, largely, musician/engineers or engineer/musician= s. I say "largely" in case larry IS still there. :-)

as much as he or anyone else may dislike it, a lot of us = aren't content with just exploring the nuances on offer from 12 notes or th= e limitations imposed by using a traditional musical toolset. we like to he= ar sounds that no-one's heard before, & experimenting with technology i= s our way of creating those new sounds. but (& it's a two-edged blade) = technology ages very quickly these days.

it's very difficult indeed to step off the evolutionary s= piral & say "I'm stopping here- I've got what I need".

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5184F.DE284030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 15:05:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LK3RD22954; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:03:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:03:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #21424027 Message-ID: <421A3E6D.6010102@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:02:53 +0100 From: Raphael Vanoli User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: synchronized loops/the best solution ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear all, i am seeking for a good solution of recording synchronized live-loops with an ambient/trip-hop duo that I have ( guitar/live drums ). I would need a looping tool that can be synchronized with a simple metronome that my drummer uses, what I want are loops that are maximum 2 minutes long, multi -layered and of a good sound-quality.. Untill now I've been using cheap solutions: Line6 delay modeller and Boss RC 20 since a couple of years and i can really say there's NO way that rhytmical loops would run in synch with a drummer for a longer period of time, even if you have the tightest drummer in the world and the best sound you could imagine to have during a concert... AARGGH---- So... What would you guys recommend ? EDP, electrix repeater or a laptop? If a laptop would be the best way (I don't know much about them), can they really be used with the same intuition as hardware; is there no latency with midi-switches? Ableton or LiSa? Questions questions questionsssss Probably there are different solutions, which would be the cheapest one? In the meantime: the only thing that seems to work with those two pedals that I own are the one shot & play-once function ( restarting the loop by foot as tight as a human being can do it everytime I want to have it played back ) or stoping and restarting the loop (that was recorded while drums played to a metronome)... Any other possibilities I didn't think of? I am looking forward for any kind of answer, thanks a lot.... Raphael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 15:05:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LK4jl23650; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:04:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:04:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.3f5db268.2f4b989d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:03:41 EST Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7b.3f5db268.2f4b989d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7b.3f5db268.2f4b989d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think I've posted this idea before -- but it's been a while. =20 My al-time favorite way of having a set end is to have an announcer speak with a bullhorn in an faux authoritarian=20 voice demanding that I stop playing -- to which I simply give=20 a dramatic yank on the power cord and pull the plug (resulting in a variety of audio sizzles and pops). I've only been able to=20 convince one concert producer to do this so far. But it is=20 really funny when done right. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_7b.3f5db268.2f4b989d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think I've posted this idea before --=20= but it's been a while. 
My al-time favorite way of having a set end is to have an
announcer speak with a bullhorn in an faux authoritarian
voice demanding that I stop playing -- to which I simply give
a dramatic yank on the power cord and pull the plug (resulting
in a variety of audio sizzles and pops). I've only been able to
convince one concert producer to do this so far. But it is
really funny when done right.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_7b.3f5db268.2f4b989d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 15:41:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LKcn231133; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:38:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:38:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=o8yypEWR74Yp6xgUKP6t3xfCd3QgcqC8LlW8iijfVauHTsAdhnK8W+gBtANflUKQP4ymydj7/36NANCzonljsQfqFX6GCoy9ZzJ4vcQFpAhfTLO+Ds5ybYZIkegEm876vdl+Q3JnLkHzKvnyE4Zzf+ZDG9RnNORduyCryLTr6SE= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:38:08 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ugly racks of gear In-Reply-To: <003001c51843$0b6b8b40$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> <6.2.0.14.2.20050220202102.056db008@loopers-delight.com> <003001c51843$0b6b8b40$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've carried a keyboard stand to put my rack on to my right side for years. The people who want to watch the blinky lights and knob-twiddling can scrounge a seat on stage left. People don't really play in public with a rack between them and the audience do they? On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:27:47 -0500, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I'm totally with Kim on this. > > I ALWAYS try to find a way to arrange my equipment so that the rack is > besides me. And as many of you who have racks will know, stages are not > always optimal for the player to do this. However, I can't tell you how > many times people come up to me after shows and say how they really got into > seeing me operate effects in my rack. People seem to "get" the music better > when they get to see it built. Others have mentioned stuff about seeing > what I'm concentrated on helps them feel connection to what is going on. > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 15:47:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LKhFp00976; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:43:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:43:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=M1uYhidYU9IvIZlhhjNKpTEbRvm/5/k4sTjcsi4ZWM111wv9iu2/44NvnbFQFr7roEmNg41C2krBt3AZtaiyvsqpuKpRB0YGDh+C/Z7DZgspHihiziYoEY4XO4vv2vkJT5jzJjMpRGIGG2bbFndhTKfRdjbXRziGna6rkr92wqE= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:41:30 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When does it end? In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329E14@lon-oxmail02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329E14@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stop reading gear magazines, scanning eBay and visiting music stores. That'll put a halt to a good deal of it. Or, imagine you're a trumpet player. How many trumpets would you own? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 15:50:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LKkZd01817; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:46:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:46:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <003001c51843$0b6b8b40$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> <6.2.0.14.2.20050220202102.056db008@loopers-delight.com> <003001c51843$0b6b8b40$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7AEFBDC8-8449-11D9-A384-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: ugly racks of gear Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:45:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 21, 2005, at 12:27 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I ALWAYS try to find a way to arrange my equipment so that the rack is > besides me. And as many of you who have racks will know, stages are > not i find that when i have the rack facing me then no one can see me as it is 7 inches taller than my head. it is for this reason it is to the side or behind me. much better for a performer to have his back turned to you for logistics reasons than have a massive wall erected between you. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 15:54:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LKqQr03155; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:52:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:52:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: When does it end? Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:52:01 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c51857$3183f4c0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 90, in=205, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Or, imagine you're a trumpet player. How many trumpets would you own? Oh, the list goes on and on....a standard trumpet, a piccolo trumpet, a tiny pocket trumpet, one of those red trumpets that Joey DeFrancesco plays while playing his Hammond, etc. :) The sickness is not limited to just electronic players...I know many jazz trumpet players that are always fussing with new instruments, custom ones, different mouth pieces, getting their valves honed to perfection, etc. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 16:03:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LL0W906235; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:00:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:00:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andreas Wetterberg" To: Subject: RE: ugly racks of gear Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:00:13 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c51858$56a21a60$0200000a@ANDREAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: 21. februar 2005 21:38 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ugly racks of gear I've carried a keyboard stand to put my rack on to my right side for years. The people who want to watch the blinky lights and knob-twiddling can scrounge a seat on stage left. People don't really play in public with a rack between them and the audience do they? ------ -unfortunately; yes they do... http://www.coolfer.com/blog/blog/images/SquarepusherLive.jpg http://www.mic.gr/%5CdbImages%5C23575_7.jpg -if he turned his rack and laptop the audience might find out that he's actually checking his email (and possibly even replying, using a sophisticated bass->midi->text input system) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 16:12:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LLAlg08494; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:10:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:10:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:15:24 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] RE: ugly racks of gear In-Reply-To: <001501c51858$56a21a60$0200000a@ANDREAS> Message-ID: References: <001501c51858$56a21a60$0200000a@ANDREAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > ----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: 21. februar 2005 21:38 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: ugly racks of gear > > I've carried a keyboard stand to put my rack on to my right side for > years. The people who want to watch the blinky lights and > knob-twiddling can scrounge a seat on stage left. > > People don't really play in public with a rack between them and the > audience do they? > ------ > -unfortunately; yes they do... > http://www.coolfer.com/blog/blog/images/SquarepusherLive.jpg > http://www.mic.gr/%5CdbImages%5C23575_7.jpg > > -if he turned his rack and laptop the audience might find out that he's > actually checking his email (and possibly even replying, using a > sophisticated bass->midi->text input system) I have seen a performer stop playing his synth in an improv keybord duo in order to answer his phone, listen to voicemail, and send a text-message back. My attitude at the time was that if the call is that important, take 5. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 16:19:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LLHXc09897; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:17:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:17:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <001501c51858$56a21a60$0200000a@ANDREAS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: [LOOP] RE: ugly racks of gear Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:17:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1HW5kB.A.rXC.T_kGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I have seen a performer stop playing his synth in an improv keybord > duo in > order to answer his phone, listen to voicemail, and send a text-message > back. My attitude at the time was that if the call is that important, > take > 5. > > best, > Steve B > Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > Maybe it was an artistic statement on the 24/7, invasive accessibility in today's culture. I say that as a joke (knowing it very well might not have been). Cheers, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 16:27:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LLPwu12778; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:25:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:25:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:30:36 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: RE: ugly racks of gear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <001501c51858$56a21a60$0200000a@ANDREAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Jeff Evans wrote: > > I have seen a performer stop playing his synth in an improv keybord > > duo in > > order to answer his phone, listen to voicemail, and send a text-message > > back. My attitude at the time was that if the call is that important, > > take > > 5. > > > > > Maybe it was an artistic statement on the 24/7, invasive accessibility > in today's culture. > > I say that as a joke (knowing it very well might not have been). > > Cheers, > Jeff I will claim I know the performer I am speaking of well enough that, in the case I personally witnessed and mentioned above, it wasn't an intentional statement by the performer in question. But that was a good guess :). (If I ever do something like that as an artistic statement, I'd probably have the cellphone jacked into the PA and prearrange at least one call. Hmm. Thanks for the idea!) best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 16:33:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LLWbH14899; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:32:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:32:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:37:02 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When does it end? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Jeff Evans wrote: > I'm curious to hear if anyone else has the same bittersweet dilemma: > Revolving Gear Syndrome. > > On one hand, it would be really nice to just have a set-up, and stick > with it. I think of all the additional time and energy I could be > spending on playing, if I could just leave my rig alone. > > On the other hand, I find a lot of inspiration in the gear itself. New > sounds have an affect on my playing, and generate new ideas. > It's also pretty fun to troubleshoot the inevitable issues that arise > from adding a new device. Where will it work best in the signal path? > Series or Parallel? Does this device require another device in order to > get the most out of it? Can I figure out a way to get the same sound > with the stuff I've already got? Will it be the straw that breaks my > back? etc. These questions require a lot of thought, sometimes. I > happen to like thinking, so it's all good ? but I'd also like to read a > good book, you know? Yes. I dealt with my addiction in a couple of ways. First, I bought nothing (besides replacement cables) for about six months. I spent time revisiting every pedal I use, starting in isolation and exploring the tones and sounds and shapes it is capable of alone, with a few different instruments. After I refreshed myself with an appreciation of a given pedal's range by itself, I tried it with other pedals in my performance rig, looking for the ones I didn't have a good mental image of how the two of them combined to affect a sound. I was looking for new sounds that were outside of my usual performance and practice and behavior patterns. Second, when I come home from a show, I set up my performance rig in the studio the way I use it live. That way, it's always there at home for me to move one looper from the end of the signal chain to the beginning of the signal chain, or try a new stompbox where I think it'll do best. Or move it. This may not work for everyone, but I found doing these things beneficial for me to try. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 16:59:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LLuPK19525; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:56:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:56:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.214.173] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ugly racks of gear Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:55:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2005 21:56:01.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[21E044C0:01C51860] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One guy I know used to have a five foot tall rack ,in front of him ,slightly to one side. And he was fronting a band. From stage left you could see his head,if you were too close you could see the top of his head-this was before laptop performance so I guess he was ahead of the curve. People don't really play in public with a rack between them and the From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 17:01:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LLxbH22312; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:59:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:59:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:04:10 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only In-Reply-To: <2fb9e47305022111377a45e469@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <022120051713.11358.421A16CF0009915500002C5E21979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> <000e01c5183c$d3f30270$6601a8c0@khartung> <2fb9e47305022111377a45e469@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <24sat.A.caF.ymlGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stand (Chapman Stick, theremin, [rarely] electric upright bass). Pretty much all the time. I've got decent balance, andd find the tapdance of multiple stompboxes and expression pedals to be challenging, but a limitation I can work within. Sit: only once. I was part of an eight-piece for a local electronic music festival, and my part was to mic the tuba player, loop using a Repeater some portion of his solo that I found worthwhile. My solo was a portion of the performance where I pitch-shifted, altered tempo, and used a few effects to mangle his loop. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 17:07:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LM5Jh23533; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:05:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:05:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.214.173] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] RE: ugly racks of gear Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:03:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2005 22:04:01.0196 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FD846C0:01C51861] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was on stage with one of the most famous players in the world of a particular ethnic instrument .His cell rang as we were about to start and he answered it-I was shocked. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 17:11:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LM9P224742; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:09:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:09:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:08:57 -0500 From: "Michael Stauffer \(Circular Logic\)" Subject: RE: audio 2 midi trigger for Ableton live! In-reply-to: <00a601c5184d$700f81a0$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> To: "Tony K" , Reply-to: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had some luck with TS Audio-to-Midi. Version 3.20 has a fast percussive-attack detection mode which I use for triggering from percussion. http://audioto.com/ Use a virtual MIDI device (MIDI Yoke or Maple MIDI Tools) to route the MIDI between your audio-to-midi app and Live. HTH, Michael >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" >To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" > >Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:23 AM >Subject: audio 2 midi trigger for Ableton live! > > >> Does anyone know of an audio to midi trigger plugin which works in >> ableton live (current version) and runs in real-time? >> >> What I want to do: >> >> I want to use audio clips (either prerecorded loops or loops recorded >> on-the-fly) to trigger sounds from a VSTi drum machine. I found this >> device called KTDrum Trigger at koen.smartelectronix.com - >> unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work in Live: its MIDI >output doesn't >> appear in the chooser list for input to a MIDI track. >> >> Is there an alternative, or is there a workaround to the problem I >> described? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Rainer >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 17:12:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LMBVa25890; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:11:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:11:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.214.173] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:09:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2005 22:10:02.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[1724B370:01C51862] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know-one of those harnesses they use to fly people on stages and in films,Could only do this on a pro stage w/ rigging.You'd have to have a signalling system so the stagetech know when to fly you down to the pedals. The coolest part would be standing or sitting playing along and hitting a musical passage that would really go with suddenlly floating into the air. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 17:31:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LMUKq29544; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:30:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:30:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421A60EF.8070206@neoprimitive.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:30:07 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ugly racks of mostly gear References: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> <6.2.0.14.2.20050220202102.056db008@loopers-delight.com> <003001c51843$0b6b8b40$0affff0a@hppav> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797746e93cbb294eae1a31279ce56dc7b6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.212.21 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ever since this thread started I have been wanting to read it this way. Trekke reference... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 17:35:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LMXIX30397; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:33:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:33:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421A619F.9070509@neoprimitive.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:33:03 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ugly racks of mostly gear References: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> <6.2.0.14.2.20050220202102.056db008@loopers-delight.com> <003001c51843$0b6b8b40$0affff0a@hppav> <421A60EF.8070206@neoprimitive.net> In-Reply-To: <421A60EF.8070206@neoprimitive.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794361ecf07f6253bb41565cb82b2c4ddd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.212.21 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (FUCK!) Trekkie. Jesse Lucas wrote: > Ever since this thread started I have been wanting to read it this way. > Trekke reference... > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 18:12:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LNBXC11999; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:11:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:11:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421A69DE.9080606@speakeasy.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:08:14 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When does it end? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a major challenge for me...and while I'm getting better with practice (aka: age :-) I still haven't found an answer. I'll go in one direction with the intention of never needing anything else gear-wise, then I get inspired by something musical I've never explored and next thing I know, I'm researching some new piece of equipment. It's always such a dilemma, I hate getting caught up in the new gear tornado but it leads to new musical experiences... I've always admired those that can devote their lives to perfecting a relationship with a single instrument, but I'm not one of them :-) Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 18:41:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LNdUr19697; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:39:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:39:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <003d01c5186d$9c0c97a0$2d9efe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <006301c51844$3ea26500$0affff0a@hppav> <421A2C46.8020901@biink.com> <421A35B3.3050006@neoprimitive.net> <421A366F.2020605@neoprimitive.net> Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:32:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com leave the stage and let the loop go on forever. we did it a couple of times, much to the amazement of the audience. nothing is worse than not knowing when to applaud. stephen. __________________________________________________________________________ "Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club") Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Lucas" To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:28 PM Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > Oh, no, wait, punk rock is minimalism... > > Fuck. > > -J > > > > Jesse Lucas wrote: > > Historically, minimalist pieces usually end with a studio fade, or a > > brick wall-type ending. > > > > You either do that, or you have no endings and just blend each piece > > into the next. > > > > Actually, historically, minimalist pieces ended with, what, punk rock? > > > > 1, 2, 3, 4! > > > > -J > > > > > > > > Michael Firman wrote: > > > >> Set the feedback to about 70% and walk away. > >> > >> On Feb 21, 2005, at 12:45 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > >> > >>> David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >>> > >>>> I'm curious to hear ideas and techniques people have used (or > >>>> stopped using) > >>>> to end an ambient piece of music at a live show. > >>>> > >>> The long fade. The longer the better. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> * David Beardsley > >>> * microtonal guitar > >>> * http://biink.com/db > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> | Michael A. Firman > >> | maf@mlswebworks.com > >> | http://www.mlswebworks.com > >> > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 18:48:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LNm7722317; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:48:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:48:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=BJ/zdRS07H0XmfMGpD+9FCiVboo4t47gnISe201CbX2h2zPn34CKomFQnFvEvjWtrEGnKSHm3ynGdBNI5R0Op8gUaOKUvVS+yEXtB3p9+bo/vnJ6tx82JSL5xIllN1t1dbi36I0WZ1XlQihSfDR9jthO2qvaCGtE70zANDi9hOQ= ; Message-ID: <20050221234746.28527.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:47:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > I also think most guitarists look dorky sitting > down. Sitting is for > old men, drummers and keyboardists. Heh, that reminds me of a lil' anecdote. Sometime around the early 80's, I was at a Moody Blues concert. It was the opening night of the US tour; John Lodge had laryngitis already and the band was rusty as could be. Patrick Moraz was the keyboardist at the time. He had the usual assortment of synths on swingset-frame stands, and sort of like a barstool/office chair thing on wheels so he could either stand or scoot seated from keyboard to keyboard. During one of his standing flourishes, I noticed his little wheeled stool had rolled away. Poor Patrick had not noticed this. When he finished his solo, yep, down he went, right on his ass. Heheheh. Best part of the whole concert. -t- ps: I do the 'standing on my left foot while my right foot hovers over pedals and switches' thing, except when I'm looping certain acoustic instruments... Take yer sitar, fer example... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 18:50:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LNmXg22690; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:48:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:48:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:48:07 -0800 Subject: Please take me off the email list From: DC To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DSLExtreme-MailGate-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DSLExtreme-MailGate: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: dcla2002@yahoo.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 18:51:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1LNnvn23491; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:49:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:49:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=kij0hMAzuxMByi1pq1OaoQ7g8LXYSnNd7AciKGKURqn6NLgKvg31kAFoZ0eMUf3F4wLDD2jGtt7BbRkH178a2cFk9Tgk94uajjRBAvGyfiLSK3ixZYGmBmwsRze+YIpBkoyZiWEXoZXW1Vy7C3XCP2/ZoV+2wDEHwbbiGs5ZSNI= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:49:37 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When does it end? In-Reply-To: <421A69DE.9080606@speakeasy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <421A69DE.9080606@speakeasy.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the current issue of Electronic Musician, there's an interview with a few soundtrack composers who use synthesizers to mock up scores: Q: Tell us about your rig. Jerry Grant: I buy a new computer every three or four years. I am not a gear nut. If you are a sailor and you lose the race, you blame it on the fact that your sails aren't good enough. That's not where the blame lies; it lies in the way you are sailing your boat. Moving back into the realm of music, in the heyday of the Yamaha DX7, we each had 10,000 sounds for the synth. Let's say I have to write three minutes of music in a given day. How long do I have to look through those thousands of sounds to find the perfect sound? You can't do it. Instead, you cultivate 100 favorites, and if a sound doesn't work, just find another one. It wasn't worth it to me to spend one hour editing a sound, when in that same hour I could write 30 seconds of music. Mark Griskey: Music technology evolves so fast these days that it seems we constantly have to upgrade and research to keep on top of the curve. Having said that, you need to have an environment that is solid and reliable, so you can turn it on and get to work. That seems to be the challenge. On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:08:14 -0800, Dennis Montgomery wrote: > This is a major challenge for me...and while I'm getting better with > practice (aka: age :-) I still haven't found an answer. I'll go in one > direction with the intention of never needing anything else gear-wise, > then I get inspired by something musical I've never explored and next > thing I know, I'm researching some new piece of equipment. It's always > such a dilemma, I hate getting caught up in the new gear tornado but it > leads to new musical experiences... I've always admired those that can > devote their lives to perfecting a relationship with a single > instrument, but I'm not one of them :-) > > Dennis > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 19:02:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M00gP27274; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:00:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:00:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.214.173] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001301c51840$1ec46c50$6601a8c0@khartung> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: When does it end? Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:43:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2005 22:53:54.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[3821ECE0:01C51868] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The ideal situation for me would be to be making enough to be able to pay a tech to take care of the gear,maybe have a custom made system like Mickey Hart's RAMU,where all the sounds I want are organized in data banks that I trigger from controllers of my choosing ,in Hart's case percussion pads,and the tech runs the computer system and rides the output through the PA and monitors. I like the window metaphor,though for me the notes are the windows.I often feel more like the structure is the frame,the air is the canvas the ax is the brush and sounds are colors I'm painting with From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 19:23:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M0Lv531673; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:21:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:21:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:21:34 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c51874$781433b0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003d01c5186d$9c0c97a0$2d9efe91@synthhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 91, in=203, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1M0LfS31556 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw Phish do that in Spokane, WA (USA) when they played there in 1997. The whole band was in some sort of delay/loop tornado when they left the stage....nice effect. It did decay after a while. -----Original Message----- From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 4:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows leave the stage and let the loop go on forever. we did it a couple of times, much to the amazement of the audience. nothing is worse than not knowing when to applaud. stephen. ________________________________________________________________________ __ "Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club") Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Lucas" To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:28 PM Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > Oh, no, wait, punk rock is minimalism... > > Fuck. > > -J > > > > Jesse Lucas wrote: > > Historically, minimalist pieces usually end with a studio fade, or a > > brick wall-type ending. > > > > You either do that, or you have no endings and just blend each piece > > into the next. > > > > Actually, historically, minimalist pieces ended with, what, punk > > rock? > > > > 1, 2, 3, 4! > > > > -J > > > > > > > > Michael Firman wrote: > > > >> Set the feedback to about 70% and walk away. > >> > >> On Feb 21, 2005, at 12:45 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > >> > >>> David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >>> > >>>> I'm curious to hear ideas and techniques people have used (or > >>>> stopped using) to end an ambient piece of music at a live show. > >>>> > >>> The long fade. The longer the better. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> * David Beardsley > >>> * microtonal guitar > >>> * http://biink.com/db > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> | Michael A. Firman > >> | maf@mlswebworks.com > >> | http://www.mlswebworks.com > >> > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 19:31:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M0UR601054; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:30:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:30:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 90b2c5e5c740bd937d6c18a8f97901bf Received-SPF: none (buvuma.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.139 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.139; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[192.168.123.151]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050220202102.056db008@loopers-delight.com> References: <20050221014918.FRLE12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> <6.2.0.14.2.20050220202102.056db008@loopers-delight.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:33:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 05:49 PM 2/20/2005, Gary Lehmann wrote: >>Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) >>with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? Kim answered: >Interesting, I always meant to comment about this after these >various loop festivals. > >Having watched many looper guitarists perform, I really, really >think many of you need to learn to play standing up. Guitarists >sitting down almost always look very lame. They have less stage >presence, less energy, and less connection with the audience than >guitarists standing up. Especially if you sit in a crappy looking >chair instead of a stool, and do the big flappy-foot, legs-spread >style of toe tapping. ugh. > >The only two people I've seen pull it off sitting down were Matthias >Grob and Steve Lawson, and I think it is because they are both very >tall, have good posture, and have the stage experience to engage the >audience anyway. oh, you are so kind, mate! I have a specially made chair of the right size and soft top. So the leg has no weight when taping switches. And the right leg is always on the volume which I use a lot for expression. yes, sometimes I feel like getting up when we go off, but I also hate straps, so it really turns into a short show act, holding the instrument somehow, or rather moving arround on the chair whitch does not necessarily freeze us. but I dont bring the chair overseas but you saw me on a animated day with Jon Wagner and Rick, because usually I am either shoe gazing or looking to the sky with closed eyes :-) Its a great challenge to play for dance, because it teaches you to operate more without looking. Then again, to look into the public usually rather distracts me... only sometimes I find somebody interesting to play to. When they realized it and colaborate, it can be very inspiring. But it also happened to me that I was playing to someone in the public and then finally look up again and the person was not there any more LOL >There are only three contexts where I think guitarists look ok >sitting during a performance: a) big band jazz (at the end of the >sax line), b) classical (with a stool), and c) when they have some >apparent physical hardship (like being a 97 year old blind blues >player). d) deep music I think there is music where the musician is not important. If he builds a channel and the music is stronger than his way to make it, the public will concentrate on sound and not worry about the visual, he might even distract them by looking at them or moving arround. I am not talking about ambient music! e) ambient music f) indian music ... :-) On the other side, I discovered only after years how important it is to dance to your music. even while sitting. It explains your music to you and to the listener and Kim will not perceive you as low energy any more! besides it seems that the movement acts in the energetic level, somehow similar to the music... >Hide the cables. It will really really help. totally agreed a lot can be done by grouping the cables parallel and wind up the rest in a space where its not visible. Per used to put the cover in front of his rack. It somehow reminded of that thing the priests stand behind :-) If I were young I would make all cables black with color coded connectors - almost has handy but a lot nicer but since I love all my good old orange and green cables... :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 19:43:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M0fRO04752; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:41:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:41:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421A7F5E.101@pdq.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:39:58 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ugly racks of gear References: <001501c51858$56a21a60$0200000a@ANDREAS> In-Reply-To: <001501c51858$56a21a60$0200000a@ANDREAS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I play standing, with a 6-space rack on the floor at my feet, angled up slighty by resting it on one of the rack lids. My few stompboxes are on top of that lid, and an FCB1010 sits on the ground just below it. From the stage it looks like a guitar player with a slightly bulky pedalboard. Does this get the ok from Kim? :) I admit that I've toyed with one of those high stools with a backrest by On-Stage Stands. It just ended up being in the way. I haven't fallen down yet - but close! Doug Andreas Wetterberg wrote: >----Original Message----- >From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] >Sent: 21. februar 2005 21:38 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: ugly racks of gear > >I've carried a keyboard stand to put my rack on to my right side for >years. The people who want to watch the blinky lights and >knob-twiddling can scrounge a seat on stage left. > >People don't really play in public with a rack between them and the >audience do they? >------ >-unfortunately; yes they do... >http://www.coolfer.com/blog/blog/images/SquarepusherLive.jpg >http://www.mic.gr/%5CdbImages%5C23575_7.jpg > >-if he turned his rack and laptop the audience might find out that he's >actually checking his email (and possibly even replying, using a >sophisticated bass->midi->text input system) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 20:32:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M1U8618615; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:30:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:30:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=5WDXjOIqoT9OXGCYCwXBZ/Ed3+ZCFC5+qXNSf6mbtZWHb9Th0cX23ZUcwDnL0moDntpjsBVi6mRko8ovAKJGCtDU4PNmSpOdlOyihKewSXkyNNZOu8pQ2J4eY+tp24RfUuwUCinUF5DrpKx9HmaImI6BtUS/OBgTAOnKx4uw8Hs= ; Message-ID: <20050222012941.17781.qmail@web50407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:29:41 -0800 (PST) From: Devin Smith Subject: USB interface help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1580791551-1109035781=:16233" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1580791551-1109035781=:16233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry to revisit this subject, as I know it was a bit of a thread not too long ago, but I just bought a Tascam US-122 audio/midi interface for use with my Dell laptop (circa 3 years ago). I am getting some annoying skipping in the data stream when listening to CD's and wav files, and I was wondering if anyone had any guess why that might be. The PC is 900 mHz, 128 megs of ram, I've got a gig and a half free. I don't know if I have the original USB ports or the newer ones. I noticed someone made mention that the old ones were pretty slow. It seems to me that either I don't have enough ram or the USB ports are too slow. How would I go about finding out? If it skips when playing a wav file off of the hard drive, then I can only imagine what will happen when I'm trying to record audio and use the midi interface at the same time. Any hot tips? -Devin --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. --0-1580791551-1109035781=:16233 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Sorry to revisit this subject, as I know it was a bit of a thread not too long ago, but I just bought a Tascam US-122 audio/midi interface for use with my Dell laptop (circa 3 years ago). I am getting some annoying skipping in the data stream when listening to CD's and wav files, and I was wondering if anyone had any guess why that might be.
The PC is 900 mHz, 128 megs of ram, I've got a gig and a half free. I don't know if I have the original USB ports or the newer ones. I noticed someone made mention that the old ones were pretty slow. It seems to me that either I don't have enough ram or the USB ports are too slow. How would I go about finding out?
If it skips when playing a wav file off of the hard drive, then I can only imagine what will happen when I'm trying to record audio and use the midi interface at the same time.
Any hot tips?
-Devin

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Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. --0-1580791551-1109035781=:16233-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 20:41:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M1dDW23014; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:39:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:39:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=TRFjCqKc5dgGPh/Ns05CfeOi/nEw1YL9vNZPG+nSkmj6iKE/r9gCp+lLz3Jv2C20; Message-ID: <410-22005222214716690@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Heads up, new PayPal spoof... Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:47:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403df0fa5c740d8bd2f94f4c1e754da944350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the warning, RZ! ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Richard Zvonar > To: > Date: 2/20/2005 7:45:44 PM > Subject: Re: Heads up, new PayPal spoof... > > At 11:35 AM -0800 2/20/05, S V G wrote: > > Just a quick heads up to everyone out there who uses PayPal. > >There's a new spoof going around > > I get several of these per day and have been since the beginning of > the year. I automatically forward any such messages to > . I get similar messages posing as eBay and Citi > Card security notices. They're all bogus. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 20:47:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M1kCf25100; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:46:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:46:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c51880$3e667630$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <006301c51844$3ea26500$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:45:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Typical setup is two Zoom 2100's into the Mackie, with efx send-receive on the Digitech 7.6 (called the Master loop for this explanation). The Zoom's output often gets put into the Master loop. That said.. 1. Allow the Master to decay to nothing, between 70-90%. A bit Frippian if you also decide to walk off the performance area/stage. (Also if you continue to handle the guitar or other sound source, some folks may also think you're still playing.) 2. Play with Master closed to input, either loop shut or decayed. 3. Wet. Rinse. Repeat. Repeat. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com * "I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English to men, and Japanese to my horse." *- Buckaroo Banzai From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 20:52:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M1otL26049; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:50:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:50:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=RCoAqaAgx/QwUejMp7SXmnmnr/8LJ/ynbKajO5i4IE2zQDLKjJbAeI5Isu8XvuTJ; Message-ID: <410-22005222215853530@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:58:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94089544093f3ef157845da535b7f2ffffc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mostly stand... in spite of my bad back. it's a rock thing ;-) ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Dennis Montgomery > To: > Date: 2/20/2005 10:33:40 PM > Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only > > Gary Lehmann wrote: > > >Now that the traffic has died down, time to clutter your mailbox again 8) > >with a poll of the looping string players: how many sit and how many stand? > >Gary > > > I find it much easier to coordinate the timing of my EDP footswitch > clicks when I'm comfortably sitting rather than precariously balancing > on 1 foot. Besides I try not to put more force than the weight of a > small squirrel on those "somewhat less than heavy duty" Gibson switches :-) > > Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 21:11:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M29rB30145; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:09:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:09:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A52vxBY7aM3UuQHHDR7XaoQms/58peOQpgQp5dKbkir3MCXfIhnqKEiQTaCqnHxU; Message-ID: <410-22005222221725770@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:17:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ac50f022bd4f66f8c49a0278b075e795350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Okay, Gary, Ted, fellow back sufferers (I have 2 cracked vertebrae), I have the word from my Feldenkrais pyhsical therapist: he sez that moving around is very important if you wanna avoid pain. And he also said the "shoe gazer" pose is actually okay, wheras its opposite, the "pissing on the ceiling" pose, is potentailly harmful. And try to avoid really heavy guitars (says Tim Of The Nine-Pound Strat) ;-) Padded straps are an absolute must. (Yes, on the guitar too...cue the rimshot! ) Hope this helps. Sonic Luv, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 2/21/2005 11:37:19 AM Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Gary, In a message dated 02/20/05 21:14:26, hqr@cox.net writes: Weak back is one reason I am asking--mine hurts . . . But heck, I'm 52-- Mine too . . . and I will be 52 in a couple of months as well. The "access to footpedals" question is a reasonable one too. I am frequently "pedaling" with both feet when I'm playing with my full rig and seated. Unless you can do something like the old Morley cartoon mascot guy and have pedals for shoes this is a little difficult to do while standing. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Okay, Gary, Ted, fellow back sufferers (I have 2 cracked vertebrae), I have the word from my Feldenkrais pyhsical therapist: he sez that moving around is very important if you wanna avoid pain. And he also said the "shoe gazer" pose is actually okay, wheras its opposite, the "pissing on the ceiling" pose, is potentailly harmful.
And try to avoid really heavy guitars (says Tim Of The Nine-Pound Strat) ;-)
Padded straps are an absolute must. (Yes, on the guitar too...cue the rimshot! )
Hope this helps.
Sonic Luv,
Tim
 
 
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From:
Sent: 2/21/2005 11:37:19 AM
Subject: Re: Sit or Stand?

Gary,

In a message dated 02/20/05 21:14:26, hqr@cox.net writes:

Weak back is one reason I am asking--mine hurts . . .  But heck, I'm 52--

Mine too . . . and I will be 52 in a couple of months as well.

The "access to footpedals" question is a reasonable one too. I am frequently
"pedaling" with both feet when I'm playing with my full rig and seated.
Unless you can do something like the old Morley cartoon mascot guy and
have pedals for shoes this is a little difficult to do while standing.

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 21:41:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M2dv404822; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:39:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:39:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=OqtadRdURGPYxpeEDrzWLNItvdLXWVHXgJKwN4JhkEpviBhlogi0sLdc8jAuvLuse765jZ0cHxD5HdMye9uK7mR4JTiobdKR01DFlcLFdXYcBobIyoQh+gl3fAiJJAoJsoD4cOmfc2Nsyr21dcToH/oUnu/zAsVmnYKMePjjPNE= ; Message-ID: <20050222023930.19602.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:39:30 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: When does it end? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200502212159.j1LLxIp22237@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> I was talking with the principal trombonist of the Seattle Symphony the other day. He was telling me about the various mouthpieces that he uses for the various trombones of various sizes. The mouthpieces could go as high as a few thousand. And you thought we had it bad... Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 21:42:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M2c4A03208; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:38:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:38:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421A9A45.8050701@speakeasy.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:34:45 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only References: <20050221234746.28527.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050221234746.28527.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0OAjs.A.Pv.7rpGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: >keyboard. During one of his standing flourishes, I >noticed his little wheeled stool had rolled away. Poor >Patrick had not noticed this. > >When he finished his solo, yep, down he went, right on >his ass. Heheheh. Best part of the whole concert. > >-t- > > Great story, though it might be a pattern for him. I've got a Japanese concert documentary 'Yes at Queens Park 1976'. While running back out on stage for the encore, Patrick trips and nearly goes flat on his face (while Chris Squire looks on cracking up). In this case it might have something to do with Patrick's big bell pants and 4 inch platform heels ;-) Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 22:06:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M32c010633; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:02:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:02:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LLiOx8kyu9H+syzdK68g2CiGKxHeJjlliIi8FKoa028Rqw+00jh+GlyuRQxLTx+eF1JxOLuYb/L7B6/+C0EpWKfpZhVqSjqc9Syr2r2Rw1t+sFVVnbCHx3XAP4cmDWsapeZKBDgYER4TIZG7Fes3o9sVb8zeSTCAoQbH7r6pgSw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:02:13 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When does it end? In-Reply-To: <20050222023930.19602.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 References: <200502212159.j1LLxIp22237@hemlock.violacea.com> <20050222023930.19602.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1M32IS10555 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, professionals will frequently have scads of tools. Think about all the trumpeteers playing on your professional level: how many trumpets and mouthpieces do they own? On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:39:30 -0800 (PST), S V G wrote: > > <> > > I was talking with the principal trombonist of the Seattle Symphony the other day. He was > telling me about the various mouthpieces that he uses for the various trombones of various sizes. > The mouthpieces could go as high as a few thousand. And you thought we had it bad... > > Stephen > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! > http://my.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 22:46:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M3gre18976; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:42:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:42:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:42:22 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: USB interface help In-reply-to: <20050222012941.17781.qmail@web50407.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <421AAA1E.6080305@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050222012941.17781.qmail@web50407.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Devin Smith wrote: > Sorry to revisit this subject, as I know it was a bit of a thread not > too long ago, but I just bought a Tascam US-122 audio/midi interface for > use with my Dell laptop (circa 3 years ago). I am getting some annoying > skipping in the data stream when listening to CD's and wav files, and I > was wondering if anyone had any guess why that might be. You probably have USB 1.1 ports. Go to the System dialog in the control panel, select the Hardware tab, and click Device Manager. (Assuming you have XP, it's a little different on 2000). Look for the node marked "Universal Serial Bus Controllers". One of the entries on the list should have the words "2.0" or "enhanced", such as "Intel(r)82801DB/DBM USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller". It is usually hard to put new ports in a laptop. You can probably buy a PCMCIA card that has them. I've never used them but supposedly USB 1.1 audio interfaces can be made to work if you don't demand too much of them. Limit yourself to stereo ins and outs and don't go above 16 bit 44.1 khz. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 22:51:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M3mcw23086; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:48:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:48:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:48:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <003d01c5186d$9c0c97a0$2d9efe91@synthhost> Thread-Index: AcUYbqQvLsoSpr7EQ32d1MtPCPP7FQAImWTA Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1D3R2316Bm-0007k1@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1M3mLS22862 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tend to not stop between songs till I am ready to leave. I like that tension of the audience thinking 'is this song ever going to end?' & the 'this screws up my Pavlovian play and respond Response'. No awkward pauses. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > nothing is worse than not knowing when to applaud. > > stephen. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > > "Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club") > > Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jesse Lucas" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:28 PM > Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > > > > Oh, no, wait, punk rock is minimalism... > > > > Fuck. > > > > -J > > > > > > > > Jesse Lucas wrote: > > > Historically, minimalist pieces usually end with a studio > fade, or a > > > brick wall-type ending. > > > > > > You either do that, or you have no endings and just blend > each piece > > > into the next. > > > > > > Actually, historically, minimalist pieces ended with, > what, punk rock? > > > > > > 1, 2, 3, 4! > > > > > > -J > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Firman wrote: > > > > > >> Set the feedback to about 70% and walk away. > > >> > > >> On Feb 21, 2005, at 12:45 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > > >> > > >>> David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I'm curious to hear ideas and techniques people have used (or > > >>>> stopped using) to end an ambient piece of music at a live show. > > >>>> > > >>> The long fade. The longer the better. > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> * David Beardsley > > >>> * microtonal guitar > > >>> * http://biink.com/db > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -- > > >> | Michael A. Firman > > >> | maf@mlswebworks.com > > >> | http://www.mlswebworks.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 23:00:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M3wvB26614; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:58:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:58:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:57:53 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Software drum machines In-reply-to: <024101c517d8$30eeac50$0200a8c0@bigtony> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <421AADC1.6090007@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <421936A2.6080106@sun.com> <024101c517d8$30eeac50$0200a8c0@bigtony> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tony K wrote: > Try AudioMulch. Ah, you want standalone. Hmm.. I was pretty sure FL would > sync. I've run two machines with FL synced, but that might just be one FL > to another. How about Abelton? or fXpansion's DR008 ? In the FL MIDI settings dialog, there is a "Remote control input" that I have set to a device that will send both start/stop messages and clocks. Controller type is "generic" and "auto accept controller" is on. In this configuration, FL recognizes the start/stop messages, but it ignores the clocks and plays at it's internal tempo. The help text talks about using it as a sync master, but it's vague about being a sync slave. Thanks for the pointers. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 23:04:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M40vL29301; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:00:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:00:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:59:12 -0800 Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1D3R2316Bm-0007k1@mrelay.perfora.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1M40eS29037 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wish i could figure out how to do that w/ my shite. i remember seein MilesDavis and crew @ SUNY Binghamton in '72... drummer jack dejohnette came out and started this ferocious beat and one by one the musicians(chick corea, keith jarret, et al) came out and started blowin...90 minutes later it all came to an end...so glad i got to see/hear that beautiful show. there was great applause *after* all was done. s > I tend to not stop between songs till I am ready to leave. I like that > tension of the audience thinking 'is this song ever going to end?' & the > 'this screws up my Pavlovian play and respond Response'. No awkward pauses. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > >> nothing is worse than not knowing when to applaud. >> >> stephen. >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> ____________ >> >> "Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club") >> >> Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jesse Lucas" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:28 PM >> Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows >> >> >>> Oh, no, wait, punk rock is minimalism... >>> >>> Fuck. >>> >>> -J >>> >>> >>> >>> Jesse Lucas wrote: >>>> Historically, minimalist pieces usually end with a studio >> fade, or a >>>> brick wall-type ending. >>>> >>>> You either do that, or you have no endings and just blend >> each piece >>>> into the next. >>>> >>>> Actually, historically, minimalist pieces ended with, >> what, punk rock? >>>> >>>> 1, 2, 3, 4! >>>> >>>> -J >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Michael Firman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Set the feedback to about 70% and walk away. >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 21, 2005, at 12:45 PM, David Beardsley wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> David Kirkdorffer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm curious to hear ideas and techniques people have used (or >>>>>>> stopped using) to end an ambient piece of music at a live show. >>>>>>> >>>>>> The long fade. The longer the better. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> * David Beardsley >>>>>> * microtonal guitar >>>>>> * http://biink.com/db >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> | Michael A. Firman >>>>> | maf@mlswebworks.com >>>>> | http://www.mlswebworks.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 23:19:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M4Hu701485; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:17:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:17:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:17:36 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Mobius beta 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, zonemobius@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <421AB260.2090406@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A new version of Mobius has been uploaded that fixes a number of bugs, thank you testers! The following features have been added: - a pan knob in the track strip - an "input lock" option that allows you to send audio and functions to more than one track simultaneously - preliminary support for Sync=Out The following bugs have been fixed: - crash using the Overdub function in a Reset loop - MuteMode=Start not performing a retrigger when leaving mute - parameter names in scripts not case insensitive - Undo not working as a switch confirmation action - Global Mute not implemented - Deleting a sample or script crashes - After using Mute, then Retrigger, loop starts playing but the display still says "Mute" Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 23:21:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M4KSW02484; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:20:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:20:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c51831$5117b720$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329E14@lon-oxmail02> Subject: Re: When does it end? Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:20:54 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Stop reading gear magazines, scanning eBay and visiting music stores. > That'll put a halt to a good deal of it. > > Or, imagine you're a trumpet player. How many trumpets would you own? There's no reason you couldn't be a trumpet playin', loopin', F/Xin' gearhound too. http://www.theambientping.com/events2000d.html#dec_12_2000 http://www.theambientping.com/events2004c.html#jun_15_2004 Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 23:21:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M4Kgk02740; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:20:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:20:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:20:13 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Mobius, where? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <421AB2FD.8090800@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Duh, sorry, forgot to include the most important part, where to get it: www.zonemobius.com There is also a Yahoo group here: groups.yahoo.com/zonemobius if you want to read more about bug and features discussions that I don't always post on LD. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 23:26:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M4Oxi04491; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:24:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:24:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c51832$0d66cec0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <001501c51858$56a21a60$0200000a@ANDREAS> Subject: Re: Re: RE: ugly racks of gear Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:26:10 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Jeff Evans wrote: > > > > I have seen a performer stop playing his synth in an improv keybord > > > duo in > > > order to answer his phone, listen to voicemail, and send a text-message > > > back. My attitude at the time was that if the call is that important, > > > take > > > 5. > > > > > Maybe it was an artistic statement on the 24/7, invasive accessibility > > in today's culture. > > > > I say that as a joke (knowing it very well might not have been). > > > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > I will claim I know the performer I am speaking of well enough that, in > the case I personally witnessed and mentioned above, it wasn't an > intentional statement by the performer in question. But that was a good > guess :). > > best, > Steve B Maybe it was his girlfriend calling to remind him to lay out a bit... Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 23:32:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M4WEc06280; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:32:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:32:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c51832$e6af3280$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <002201c51874$781433b0$6601a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:32:14 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > leave the stage and let the loop go on forever. we did it a couple of > times, much to the amazement of the audience. > > nothing is worse than not knowing when to applaud. > > stephen. If you've really been playing ambient music the audience might not even notice you've left. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 23:45:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M4hVt09940; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:43:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:43:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b701c51899$03edb4a0$6e905545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <15c.4a9501bf.2f4b67be@aol.com> Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:43:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C51855.F4B64580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C51855.F4B64580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whoa... I'll be 52 in August... I still like to stand. I found that when = playing solo acoustic I immediately had a better reaction from the = audience upon standing. Having always done the rock thing anyway, it = seems more natural. Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!"=20 Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Gary, In a message dated 02/20/05 21:14:26, hqr@cox.net writes: Weak back is one reason I am asking--mine hurts . . . But heck, I'm = 52-- Mine too . . . and I will be 52 in a couple of months as well. The "access to footpedals" question is a reasonable one too. I am = frequently "pedaling" with both feet when I'm playing with my full rig and = seated. Unless you can do something like the old Morley cartoon mascot guy and have pedals for shoes this is a little difficult to do while standing. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C51855.F4B64580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Whoa... I'll be 52 in August... I still = like to=20 stand. I found that when playing solo acoustic I immediately had a = better=20 reaction from the audience upon standing. Having always done the rock = thing=20 anyway, it seems more natural.
 
Miko Biffle
"Running scared from all the usual = distractions!"=20
Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com  www.cdbaby.com/biffoz
=
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 = 8:35=20 AM
Subject: Re: Sit or = Stand?

Gary,

In a = message dated=20 02/20/05 21:14:26, hqr@cox.net=20 writes:

Weak back is one reason I am asking--mine hurts = . .=20 .  But heck, I'm 52--

Mine too . . . and I will be 52 in a = couple of=20 months as well.

The "access to footpedals" question is a = reasonable one=20 too. I am frequently
"pedaling" with both feet when I'm playing = with my=20 full rig and seated.
Unless you can do something like the old = Morley=20 cartoon mascot guy and
have pedals for shoes this is a little = difficult to=20 do while standing.

Best regards,

tEd =AE = kiLLiAn

"Different is not=20 always better, but better is always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

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 ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C51855.F4B64580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 21 23:53:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M4qps13291; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:52:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:52:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:52:17 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01c5189a$49392840$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006b01c51832$e6af3280$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 91, in=180, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This reminds me of a very bizarre jazz gig I did one time. It was for a major corporation's service awards banquet, for about 300-500 people. It was me on guitar, a trumpet player, drums, and bass...and they paid us big bucks to play jazz standards during cocktail hour. We were setup in an area outside the main banquet room, and folks were milling around, drinking wine, eating appetizers, etc....pretty much the standard jazz gig of Real Book tunes....yawn. The catch is that after the cocktail hour, everyone moved into the main banquet room and they wanted us to continue playing throughout the duration of the main ceremonies. We didn't have time to re-set up. So, they put a few ambient mics in front of us, shut the main doors, and piped our tunes into the speakers of the banquet hall. It was the most bizarre experience. We were all alone in that middle area, outside of closed doors, playing tunes by ourselves. We couldn't talk much, because everything we were doing was coming through the speakers. I'll never forget that. My guess is that inside the banquet room, it sounded like a live jazz CD playing though the speakers in the background. Point being, it was like the true background music gig, where the audience doesn't even need to see you play. We could have played a live jazz CD through our PA, sat on the couches, and drank wine the whole time, and no one would have known the difference. But at $100 an hour, who the hell is going to complain.... ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: Scott M2 [mailto:scott@dreamstate.to] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:32 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > leave the stage and let the loop go on forever. we did it a couple of > times, much to the amazement of the audience. > > nothing is worse than not knowing when to applaud. > > stephen. If you've really been playing ambient music the audience might not even notice you've left. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 00:07:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M56si18078; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:06:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:06:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=eImyjgLf5BURgbxxVafH76htXoHYm2nXos7SwzSm0H7qhJ5KW/OlLRBHb0eNj0rD; Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:14:57 -0800 Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <006301c51844$3ea26500$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd489bcad8c3b12ddb5f26b533b573d324a87510c956a98deb90350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.212.120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've never done this in public but: A couple of years ago I used to end ambient loops using this method..or a variation of it. I would loop using two jamman, loops of slightly different lengths. Using replace, on one or both units, I would then enter small bits of either slience, string scrapes,etc. and / or volume swelled harmonics processed through a delay. Please note: If you have a long loop going at the time and choose to completely replace it, this process can take up to a half an hour to accomplish. The loops evolve into something not quite as ambient but ....interesting. ( at least to me ). At that point you can choose to fade or cut the loop at a point that makes sense to you at the time. Hope this made sense. joe On Monday, February 21, 2005, at 10:36 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I'm curious to hear ideas and techniques people have used (or stopped > using) > to end an ambient piece of music at a live show. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 00:35:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M5YcZ24164; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:34:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:34:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:34:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUYnHlcBpcWdT5oQ+uzXI8o1uSo5AAA2hrw In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050222053411.DKTN29980.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Changing the loop size through windowing with Loop IV, making the piece smaller and smaller, is a good way to end any loop. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 02:44:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M7gjt25562; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:42:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:42:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: USB interface help Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:45:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <421AAA1E.6080305@sun.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <0PzuU.A.MOG.kJuGCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a Dell Inspiron 8000 with 512 Megs of ram (about 4 years old), USB 1.1, and recently installed a USB audio interface (Cubase System|4, http://www.steinberg.de/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID=2142&Langue_ID=7). At the first tests I had frequent dropouts. After un- and re-plugging the USB it worked fine. I did not defragment the harddisk and I'm doing stereo recordings while playing back up to 14 stereo tracks (I haven't tried more) simultaneously. 44.1 kHz, 16 bit. Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] > Sent: Dienstag, 22. Februar 2005 04:42 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: USB interface help > > > > > Devin Smith wrote: > > Sorry to revisit this subject, as I know it was a bit of a thread not > > too long ago, but I just bought a Tascam US-122 audio/midi > interface for > > use with my Dell laptop (circa 3 years ago). I am getting some annoying > > skipping in the data stream when listening to CD's and wav files, and I > > was wondering if anyone had any guess why that might be. > > You probably have USB 1.1 ports. Go to the System dialog in the > control panel, select the Hardware tab, and click Device Manager. > (Assuming you have XP, it's a little different on 2000). Look > for the node marked "Universal Serial Bus Controllers". One > of the entries on the list should have the words "2.0" or > "enhanced", such as "Intel(r)82801DB/DBM USB 2.0 Enhanced Host > Controller". > > It is usually hard to put new ports in a laptop. You can probably buy > a PCMCIA card that has them. > > I've never used them but supposedly USB 1.1 audio interfaces can be made > to work if you don't demand too much of them. Limit yourself to stereo > ins and outs and don't go above 16 bit 44.1 khz. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 02:51:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M7j5w26364; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:45:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:45:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050222053411.DKTN29980.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050222053411.DKTN29980.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9BE8AFC6-84A5-11D9-B0E5-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:44:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Groove Holmes used to have a tape Echoplex in his Hammond tone shaping arsenal. i heard about a nightclub gig he did soon after getting it (this was the late sixties) where the last song of the night he hit the fiinal chord, cranked the feedback on the 'Plex all the way to the max, and whole band left the stage. he let the loop go for a minute or so, and then pulled the plug on the organ ... from behind the stage. doesn't sound too special now, but this was the late sixties. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 04:09:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1M97E617922; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:07:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:07:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c518bd$5887af60$6f00a8c0@tl.no> From: "markred" To: Subject: RE: ugly racks of gear AND Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:03:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C518C5.BA154FF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C518C5.BA154FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Was hoping this thread would go away.. but if you cant beat 'em... I sit.. Of course I sit... and whats more i think that the looper/solo = musicians who stand, are the ones who look stupid.. jigging about a tiny = bit but not much cos they'll over balance and step on the mute pedal, = hovering, wobbling on that feedback/vortex morph pedal. PAH! You'all SAY you stand.. dont believe it... seen the pics from all the = loop fests.... SIT SIT SITTING SIT KNEEL (rick walker of course) SIT = SITTING ASLEEP..! Now.. back in the old days, when I was touring the states as the = guitarist in cranes, playing enormadomes with the cure.. blah blah! I = STOOD!! I ran about.. I slid.. I leapt from the stage into the audience, = I sommersalted into my amp cabs, I threw the guitar into the air, I = hammered it with knives, spanners and screw drivers, I twisted, and bent = the neck as it screamed feedback.. I rammmed metal stcks in between the = strings and thrashed, I attached bulldog clips onto the strings and = shook.. I pogoed, and then I dived back into the crowd.. and that was = just in the first song! ...what a wanker I was... ...yes I sit down, and Im fiercly proud of it! If they bore of the old = seventies educational 16mm films that I play backwards.. ("How to deal = with accidental poisoning" is a WINNER! especially in reverse!!! ).. = then they can stare at all the blinking lights on my fucking ugly racks! Mark PS.. I still I attach bulldog clips onto the strings. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C518C5.BA154FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Was hoping this thread would go away.. = but if you=20 cant beat 'em...
 
I sit.. Of course I sit... and whats = more i think=20 that the looper/solo musicians who stand, are the ones who look = stupid..=20 jigging about a tiny bit but not much cos they'll over balance and step = on the=20 mute pedal, hovering, wobbling on that feedback/vortex morph pedal.=20 PAH!
 
You'all SAY you stand.. dont believe = it... seen the=20 pics from all the loop fests.... SIT SIT SITTING SIT KNEEL (rick walker = of=20 course) SIT SITTING ASLEEP..!
 
Now.. back in the old days, when I was = touring the=20 states as the guitarist in cranes, playing enormadomes with the cure.. = blah=20 blah! I STOOD!! I ran about.. I slid.. I leapt from the stage into the = audience,=20 I sommersalted into my amp cabs, I threw the guitar into the air, I = hammered it=20 with knives, spanners and screw drivers, I twisted, and bent the neck as = it=20 screamed feedback.. I rammmed metal stcks in between the strings and = thrashed, I=20 attached bulldog clips onto the strings and shook.. I pogoed, and then I = dived=20 back into the crowd.. and that was just in the first song!
 
 
...what a wanker I = was...
 
...yes I sit down, and Im fiercly proud = of it! If=20 they bore of the old seventies educational 16mm films that I play = backwards..=20 ("How to deal with accidental poisoning" is a WINNER! especially in = reverse!!!=20 ).. then they can stare at all the blinking lights on my fucking ugly=20 racks!
 
 
Mark
 
PS.. I still I attach bulldog clips = onto the=20 strings.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C518C5.BA154FF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 05:02:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MA1cK29951; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:01:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:01:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:02:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c518c5$9ffd9ff0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050222053411.DKTN29980.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1MA1GS29671 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is exactly how Ludwig van Beethoven worked when ending his symphonies! -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Februar 2005 06:34 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Changing the loop size through windowing with Loop IV, making the piece smaller and smaller, is a good way to end any loop. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 05:35:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MAYPF06151; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:34:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:34:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: When does it end? Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:33:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 21, 2005, at 18:30, Jeff Evans wrote: > I'm curious to hear if anyone else has the same bittersweet dilemma: > Revolving Gear Syndrome. I've developed the habit to stay with the same set-up at least one month before a tour or important gig (or recording). But as soon as there's no pressure I prefer to change it all around to taste some different inspiration. Just my personal "method" ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 06:10:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MB8Dq15383; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:08:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:08:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050222025336.057d5860@loopers-delight.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:07:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: ugly racks of gear AND Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only In-Reply-To: <000801c518bd$5887af60$6f00a8c0@tl.no> References: <000801c518bd$5887af60$6f00a8c0@tl.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:03 AM 2/22/2005, markred wrote: >I sit.. Of course I sit... and whats more i think that the looper/solo >musicians who stand, are the ones who look stupid.. jigging about a tiny >bit but not much cos they'll over balance and step on the mute pedal, >hovering, wobbling on that feedback/vortex morph pedal. PAH! dude, I've spent years watching this stuff. hundreds (maybe thousands) of loopers. You are so wrong. >You'all SAY you stand.. dont believe it... seen the pics from all the loop >fests.... SIT SIT SITTING SIT KNEEL (rick walker of course) SIT SITTING >ASLEEP..! percussionists are ok sitting. It's because they still move! >Now.. back in the old days, when I was touring the states as the guitarist >in cranes, playing enormadomes with the cure.. blah blah! I STOOD!! I ran >about.. I slid.. I leapt from the stage into the audience, I sommersalted >into my amp cabs, I threw the guitar into the air, I hammered it with >knives, spanners and screw drivers, I twisted, and bent the neck as it >screamed feedback.. I rammmed metal stcks in between the strings and >thrashed, I attached bulldog clips onto the strings and shook.. I pogoed, >and then I dived back into the crowd.. and that was just in the first song! If someone would please be this interesting at a loop festival I attend, I'll pay you $50 on the spot, and take up a collection to make sure you get much more. > ...what a wanker I was... if the music is good, your idea of a wanker is a good thing. That's called entertainment. That's the experience one gives when they are really into what they are playing. They throw their whole body into it and commit themselves to their music. > ...yes I sit down, and Im fiercly proud of it! If they bore of the old > seventies educational 16mm films that I play backwards.. ("How to deal > with accidental poisoning" is a WINNER! especially in reverse!!! ).. then > they can stare at all the blinking lights on my fucking ugly racks! please let us see the blinky lights! > PS.. I still I attach bulldog clips onto the strings. you are close to god. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 08:41:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MDdlF22132; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:39:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:39:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGcgAmJ0SX8ttXt8/oagMECPTzIlOQCgkAzQyQTy3BTbbA== X-Originating-IP: [4.249.225.86] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:36:51 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ugly racks of gear AND Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists on ly X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050222.053739.6472.149093@webmail28.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:3334282663 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Long time lurker here, I can no longer sit and play and feel like I am totally expressing myself. It feels more like practice when I do. I imagine that comes from years of standing when I play out or practice and since I started looping more with pedals it seems I have to stand to feel that sense of timing with the loops and instrument. How about some wireless midi tap shoes? Then I would need to learn tap.... What comes around goes around, Love the loop Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 08:56:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MDsv026224; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:54:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:54:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=rp12M35+37jXFoUx0mKpQmgdd21tbwoT0SQ86MCzV72bRWyUgGuO7m3MJtqnUFwf; Message-ID: <000601c518e6$1162f5d0$7df0bd3f@jperlinipc> From: "John" To: References: <20050222.053739.6472.149093@webmail28.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: ugly racks of gear AND Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:54:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: e505a8ab8cd5bdd41aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7980c904da2c3fbbed2b1e7cc28cd2eadb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 63.189.240.125 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What goes around,.comes SURROUND ! Jstudio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Weg" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:36 AM Subject: RE: ugly racks of gear AND Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only > > Hi all, > Long time lurker here, I can no longer sit and play and feel like I am > totally expressing myself. It feels more like practice when I do. I > imagine that comes from years of standing when I play out or practice and > since I started looping more with pedals it seems I have to stand to feel > that sense of timing with the loops and instrument. How about some > wireless midi tap shoes? Then I would need to learn tap.... > > > What comes around goes around, > Love the loop > Weg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 10:51:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MFlb323754; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:47:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:47:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <006501c51880$3e667630$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:45:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2005 15:46:00.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BB483C0:01C518F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my fave technique, althougth dont do this in a gallery or quiet cafe bar gig, is to play with my pitchshifter/delay pedal that comes just before my looper, i begin by matching the delay time to the root sound events of the piece (cos my amient works tend to have ripples) and begin to play into the delay with the actual ambient loop closed, once it is cooking nicly at just over self-occilation, I fade the ambient loop out leaving just this short delay loop, this loop can build up to an almighty sound before I WANG the knob to the right into deep deep sub bass teritory or WANG to the left if im feeling brave to the high high heavens of tinitus!!! good look Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 11:12:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MG7cw32490; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:07:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:07:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [81.154.226.131] X-Originating-Email: [chris_lee43@hotmail.com] X-Sender: chris_lee43@hotmail.com From: "Chris Lee" To: Subject: boss pedals Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:06:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C518F8.7DA02350" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2005 16:07:00.0196 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A58D240:01C518F8] Resent-Message-ID: <05ZBz.A.B5H.qi1GCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C518F8.7DA02350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable finally got to theshops to tryout only the boss rc 20 can,t help but notice the dd20 going a lot cheaper else where,seems to = have more to offer ,ARE there any disadvatages to it ?ie for looping. = hopefully get to try one next week. This seems to be all I can find within my price range and portable = needs,ie for busking. any other suggestions welcome=20 Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C518F8.7DA02350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
finally got to theshops to tryout =  only the=20 boss rc 20
can,t help but notice the dd20 going a = lot=20 cheaper  else where,seems to have more to offer ,ARE there any = disadvatages=20 to it  ?ie for looping. hopefully get to try one next = week.
This seems to be all I can find within = my price=20 range and portable needs,ie for busking.
any other suggestions welcome =
Chris
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C518F8.7DA02350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 12:13:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MFslZ26955; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:54:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:54:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <20050222023930.19602.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When does it end? Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:52:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2005 15:53:01.0455 (UTC) FILETIME=[966B19F0:01C518F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com one of the problems that i constantly battle with that leads from this topic is the old MultiFX Vs Stompbox's. I love the ability to turn on just one effect at a time and use them in a creative and addiive way, therefore stompboxes are the love of my life leading me to own over 60 at the tender age of 25. however there is always a pull towad the benifits of muiltfx due to the lack of realestate on most of the floors i play on. the biggest downer of multifx for me is that most use PATCHES, i initially loved these things as you could change lots of sounds at once, however, to my creative side, they are so fixed and limiting. the other thing i hate about multifx is that for some reason manufacturers think we would never do with out them so thay, the make the bypass to two button command that leads to an uunholy mess of patch changes if you dont hit them just so...........dont you all just hate that, Ive actually wondered if I could hack my zoom 707 and put a little bypass switch in the middle of the case before the screen and link it to press both buttons at once (anyone!?!?) well thats my spleen vented for the day. Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 12:45:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MHhBF25942; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:43:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:43:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=uLZrJdpMY/QeyELc+Tp2fE5LZsKxJ/IMx7SPnfJ2lw16M7R/Od8jAxqB/G/Qt9CjSrWq2bQKucSDGxODEWQFAU2Q4q5MBaQujGtcPL119g6rHxht/T5K6T3/RJohBeP83fwmgKehwDD15nYm1Tl2zCffgpLr9NC6emXRbZ5Pmvk= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:42:39 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boss pedals In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: <4eaDS.A.RSG.W82GCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, it's not a looper--it's a delay pedal with deluxe features. Check the Loop Station manual on the LD site for a run down on the looping specific goodies. The XL version is the one to get, with the auxillary footswitches. On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:06:38 -0000, Chris Lee wrote: > > finally got to theshops to tryout only the boss rc 20 > can,t help but notice the dd20 going a lot cheaper else where,seems to have > more to offer ,ARE there any disadvatages to it ?ie for looping. hopefully > get to try one next week. > This seems to be all I can find within my price range and portable needs,ie > for busking. > any other suggestions welcome > Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 12:45:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MHfbB25345; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:41:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:41:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qtmCTlwKSz3zs1QcftEUuMmar+hm30oZnBdpcSdv8I8gRXyxPqRKxUeb3Xl4p4Y4R4CxHTIryUzsOA7LNhFusLWsp5AvPNwpMMZ/n1sz8jz8FsQANGpdK4+dkuVegNHlE/Qh8LjRv+kkLeYfCGSduXBe/n0vT1Hh1aLbGbJPmPU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:40:41 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When does it end? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050222023930.19602.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The more modern multieffects units allow for individual effect switching within a patch, as if you had virtual stompboxes. The boss GT series, the Lexicon MPX, Roland GP-100, anything made by Rocktron in the last ten years, and so on. You have to have a MIDI controller than can send the right sort of commands, but it makes a big difference in the appeal of those boxes. There's a reason Zoom stuff is so affordably priced. On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:52:22 +0000, phill wilson wrote: > one of the problems that i constantly battle with that leads from this topic > is the old > > MultiFX Vs Stompbox's. > > I love the ability to turn on just one effect at a time and use them in a > creative and addiive way, therefore stompboxes are the love of my life > leading me to own over 60 at the tender age of 25. however there is always > a pull towad the benifits of muiltfx due to the lack of realestate on most > of the floors i play on. > > the biggest downer of multifx for me is that most use PATCHES, i initially > loved these things as you could change lots of sounds at once, however, to > my creative side, they are so fixed and limiting. > > the other thing i hate about multifx is that for some reason manufacturers > think we would never do with out them so thay, the make the bypass to two > button command that leads to an uunholy mess of patch changes if you dont > hit them just so...........dont you all just hate that, Ive actually > wondered if I could hack my zoom 707 and put a little bypass switch in the > middle of the case before the screen and link it to press both buttons at > once (anyone!?!?) > > well thats my spleen vented for the day. > > Phill Wilson > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 13:13:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MIBMM03779; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:11:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:11:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006301c51844$3ea26500$0affff0a@hppav> References: <006301c51844$3ea26500$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:06:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:36 PM -0500 2/21/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >I'm curious to hear ideas and techniques people have used (or stopped using) >to end an ambient piece of music at a live show. I like to process the sounds of the audience. A few years ago i participated in a performance of Stockhausen's Originale at Theater Artaud in San Francisco. I had several mics deployed throughout the playing area, and during the final applause I used these to capture the applause sounds and to prolong it with a 30" delay on my TC2290 (of course this reinforces the herd instinct and people kept clapping for a long time). Eventually the audience figured out the gag and started to leave, but I kept feeding the sounds of their exiting through the system until they were all gone. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 13:29:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MISN107202; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:28:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:28:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <42.637b16a9.2f4cd3a2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:27:46 EST Subject: Re: boss pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_42.637b16a9.2f4cd3a2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_42.637b16a9.2f4cd3a2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahem! Ahem! About the DD-20 . . . In a message dated 02/22/05 9:43:11, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > Yeah, it's not a looper--it's a delay pedal with deluxe features. >=20 I beg to differ. With 23 seconds of delay time and the ability to have 2=20 loops (delays with 100% feedback) of the same . . . related . . . or even=20 totally differing lengths going all at the same time it can be a pretty darn= =20 powerful "looper" -- certainly every bit as much of one as the DL-4=20 or Headrush were. In fact, I traded in an RC-20 in on a DD-20 -- which=20 turned out to be so much more useful I eventually bought 2 more.=20 Sure, I wish it could save "banks" of loops and had minutes of delay=20 time instead of seconds. But, it really works quite well for live looping.=20 I used 2 at Y2K4 and a number of others were using them as well.=20 It's just a different opinion, but not an altogether uneducated one.=20 Myself, I mainly use a pair of EDPs. But for a limited, small loop-rig=20 alternative I think DD-20s are pretty darn effective. I say this after=20 having had an RC-20, two DL-4s, JamMen and a host of other delay pedals over the years (including the original old Electro Harmonix 16-second=20 job). Every pedal/effect has it's area of specialty. Some are super powerful= , some are not. As far as I know, no single hardware (or software) "looper" does everything I'd want it to do ideally. With any choice you have to=20 accept certain limitations and work within them -- or buy a separate device or plug-in that fills the gap. But, in my opinion the DD-20 is really quite a bit more than just "a delay=20 pedal with deluxe features." Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_42.637b16a9.2f4cd3a2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahem! Ahem! About the DD-20 . . .

In a message dated 02/22/05 9:43:11, travishartnett@gmail.com writes:

Yeah, it's not a loope= r--it's a delay pedal with deluxe features.

I beg to differ. With 23 seconds of delay time and the ability to have 2 loops (delays with 100% feedback) of the same . . . related . . . or even totally differing lengths going all at the same time it can be a pretty darn=
powerful "looper" -- certainly every bit as much of one as the DL-4
or Headrush were. In fact, I traded in an RC-20 in on a DD-20 -- which
turned out to be so much more useful I eventually bought 2 more.

Sure, I wish it could save "banks" of loops and had minutes of delay
time instead of seconds. But, it really works quite well for live looping. <= BR> I used 2 at Y2K4 and a number of others were using them as well.

It's just a different opinion, but not an altogether uneducated one.
Myself, I mainly use a pair of EDPs. But for a limited, small loop-rig
alternative I think DD-20s are pretty darn effective. I say this after
having had an RC-20, two DL-4s, JamMen and a host of other delay pedals
over the years (including the original old Electro Harmonix 16-second
job). Every pedal/effect has it's area of specialty. Some are super powerful= ,
some are not. As far as I know, no single hardware (or software) "looper" does everything I'd want it to do ideally. With any choice you have to
accept certain limitations and work within them -- or buy a separate
device or plug-in that fills the gap.

But, in my opinion the DD-20 is really quite a bit more than just "a delay <= BR> pedal with deluxe features."

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_42.637b16a9.2f4cd3a2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 13:40:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MId0k10241; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:39:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:39:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=TQX8QlVyn1NYIxh5/EZ49LeDDAcN/zbv4tHoTij9E3LyjbiUU66vHTgK+ICHzF9khMZoWRVIXCVBg7M5WLBUSbkudKRcRjT40XXcNYe9UXjt1RnJolKgsTa64umfuYQpRJb6pKaJZ06oYJJWkhqDYDZ8RiiNhvXmsGaJYFhJfyw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:38:36 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boss pedals In-Reply-To: <42.637b16a9.2f4cd3a2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <42.637b16a9.2f4cd3a2@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1MIcfS10123 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, it's a delay pedal with super deluxe features. A chisel can be used as a screwdriver, but it was still designed to be a chisel. You can lay a Telecaseter down on your lap and play it with a Stevens bar, but that that doesn't make it a "lap steel". Ditto on the Giga Delay/Loop Station. Sure, you can use it for looping, as you can a one-second delay with a hold feature. But, it was conceived as a delay pedal with a bunch of neat options. My advice as always: buy both. On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:27:46 EST, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Ahem! Ahem! About the DD-20 . . . > > In a message dated 02/22/05 9:43:11, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > > > Yeah, it's not a looper--it's a delay pedal with deluxe features. > > I beg to differ.... > > ....But, in my opinion the DD-20 is really quite a bit more than just "a delay > pedal with deluxe features." > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > http://www.thissigclutters bandwidth.com > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 13:49:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MGmg509799; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:48:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:48:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421B6257.5090908@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:48:23 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only References: <200502211727.j1LHRNf28430@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200502211727.j1LHRNf28430@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When doing my loopy gig with Acids & Bases I always sit... since my comrades are seated behind their laptops,keyboards and stuff, I feel kind of uncomfortable being the only one standing. I dont hide behind my little rack, as much as I would like to, I keep all the blinky lights and knob twiddling visible to the audience. When I play mandolin with the bluegrass band (rivetgang.com), I always stand and can definitely play this particular instrument better when doing so. -jas dimbulb.org >> how many sit and how many stand? >> Gary > > > I sit. > There's a lot of footwork. > > If I'm not looping I stand. > > andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 14:01:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MIxbT19446; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:59:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:59:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=diMVErDsja+LcAo8y9XrY38L9UCeoomkzWzeBSoHDWAX0ING3NMt37m4eGBtXCNPiI/iUKqKTsHv6U/BWQgnmrp93vqiKBHH/Hv05yEnomi7gE45YACUqW2TIOpR8seaA00dUmNH2w8N/5j40n2I0JHn1/DIJYvujesBvqyB27E= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:59:11 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only In-Reply-To: <421B6257.5090908@cabq.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502211727.j1LHRNf28430@hemlock.violacea.com> <421B6257.5090908@cabq.gov> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of my rules is to not turn my back to the audience--how are you giving the audience, who is presumably located in front of you, a view of the front of the rack? On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:48:23 -0700, Jason Fink wrote: > I dont hide behind my > little rack, as much as I would like to, I keep all the blinky lights > and knob twiddling visible to the audience. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 14:10:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MJ9L723765; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:09:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:09:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050222124053.11b946f0@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:49:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: RE: ugly racks of gear AND Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists on ly In-Reply-To: <20050222.053739.6472.149093@webmail28.nyc.untd.com> References: <20050222.053739.6472.149093@webmail28.nyc.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:36 AM 2/22/2005, Weg wrote: >Long time lurker here Welcome, and glad to see you post! :) >How about some wireless midi tap shoes? Then I would need to learn tap.... This is going to sound silly, but I know how to wire these. If you're serious about wanting to try it, just let me know and I'll send instructions. (one of my old studio partners was a fantastic electronic drummer. he came up with this idea to not only replace his kick drum pedals, but totally eliminate his physical kick drums altogether.) --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 14:12:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MJ9aP23871; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:09:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:09:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050222125148.11b94148@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:07:01 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: USB interface help In-Reply-To: <20050222012941.17781.qmail@web50407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050222012941.17781.qmail@web50407.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:29 PM 2/21/2005, Devin Smith wrote: >Sorry to revisit this subject, as I know it was a bit of a thread not too >long ago, but I just bought a Tascam US-122 audio/midi interface for use >with my Dell laptop (circa 3 years ago). I am getting some annoying >skipping in the data stream when listening to CD's and wav files, and I >was wondering if anyone had any guess why that might be. Don't remember if I mentioned this when the thread came up previously, but head over to the mailing lists at Yahoo Groups (http://www.yahoogroups.com) and search through the archives for the Laptop Mozart group. A year or two back, there was a bug discussion that came up specific to Dell laptops and USB audio. If I remember correctly, I think the circuit configuration for Dell's power supplies on their laptops was allowing current to bleed out through the USB ports. Usually, this resulted in pops, crackles, and noise in the audio stream, but I could see something like this translating into dropouts if the US-122 has a lot of buffering and/ocircuit protection built into it. For that particular problem, there was never a solution found (swapping out wall warts, for instance, didn't work). Finally, it was just concluded that Dell laptops from that period were simply unusable for audio. I'm not saying that this is the problem you've got, but it's worth researching... --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 14:17:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MJEJT25538; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:14:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:14:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gEOyQxIulR3UkOaFSxH2yMd+NIH0tRx/KgggXZVGMqytQwy9Oxq70ai23A8zmcT1CZaz6kTvzDV/S+jC/CJd44DfoydW3C1IoGlZh8FWCgRDLgF/FvOBKAvlOsH85jBjelF9/Uf9l78TpHs8QKeg3pIo1LHp0AKTEpwmbfn2kxU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:13:59 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ugly racks of gear AND Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists on ly In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050222124053.11b946f0@gemini.lunarpages.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050222.053739.6472.149093@webmail28.nyc.untd.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050222124053.11b946f0@gemini.lunarpages.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He wasn't McRorie was he? On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:49:38 -0600, Mech wrote: > At 07:36 AM 2/22/2005, Weg wrote: > > > (one of my old studio partners was a fantastic electronic drummer. he came > up with this idea to not only replace his kick drum pedals, but totally > eliminate his physical kick drums altogether.) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 14:18:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MJFEY26132; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:15:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:15:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=EknDEw8yHaMC50VbgeDQjMT85CmXN6AbpwHLWJkiXyxlHY4FqG0ZDJLy8rkzT6wIgX/MPvNXhGFe7JrUdcPob8cGmdqvzHH2IL9Ym4tPZ19pE0Km2T+oM0aG4eGmX0WFzlaUIOuSUXjfwdb1JsaRbS9DtjKqIPWOgMsK3Oh7LBQ= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:13:48 -0600 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boss pedals In-Reply-To: <42.637b16a9.2f4cd3a2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <42.637b16a9.2f4cd3a2@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Ted. I had a question about the DD-20 that didn't seem to be answered in the User's Manual I downloaded from the Roland/Boss site. Maybe even two questions. What's the maximum delay time for the reverse delay? One of my biggest frustrations with the DL-4 is that the reverse delay has a maximum time of 2.5 seconds. I'd really like to be able to do longer retrograde canons without having to 'ride' the reverse button of my EDP. While on the topic of the reverse function, can you set up the two delays as you mention (100% feedback of two delays and switching from one to the next such that both continue playing) where one of them is a reverse delay? Incidentally, are the feedback paths of the two delays kept separate or when you switch from, say a 3 second delay to a 5 second delay, does the material from the 3 second delay feedback at the 5 second rate? (Something tells me I already know the answer to this one, but it's worth asking.) Thanks, Jon Southwood On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:27:46 EST, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Ahem! Ahem! About the DD-20 . . . > > In a message dated 02/22/05 9:43:11, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > > > Yeah, it's not a looper--it's a delay pedal with deluxe features. > > I beg to differ. With 23 seconds of delay time and the ability to have 2 > loops (delays with 100% feedback) of the same . . . related . . . or even > totally differing lengths going all at the same time it can be a pretty > darn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 14:51:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MJoH906310; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:50:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:50:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050222194853.82391.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:48:53 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: software looping To: Jesse Chappell , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It looks GREAT. I plan to give it a test this evening, and I'll report what I find. =) Thanks!! Mike --- Jesse Chappell wrote: > I suggest you try the recently released SooperLooper > at > http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ > which shares many features with the EDP. Let me > know how it works for you... > > jlf > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:48:37 -0800 (PST), mike > feeney > wrote: > > Hey guys. > > > > I was a subscriber a few years ago and was looping > > using a Boomerang pedal, but kind of fell out of > the > > proverbial "loop" for awhile. Now I have a > greatly > > renewed interest in returning to looping during my > > gigs, but I'd like to base it around my G4 > Powerbook. > > > > I'm not sure what software will do what I'm > looking > > for with a fairly intuitive interface. I have a > midi > > controller keyboard, and would like to use that in > > conjunction with audio inputs (guitars / mics / > bass / > > whatever) and use all of the above in creating > live > > loops in front of a crowd. > > > > Any recommendations? I spent a few days with > Ableton > > Live, but just can't wrap my head around their > > interface. Surely there's got to be something > that is > > easier to use. > > > > If it would simplify the usability of the > software, > > I'd love something that I could use just to loop > and > > overdub audio input (the aforementioned guitars / > > whatever) and leave the midi controller out of the > > equation. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > Mike > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 15:17:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MKEIM14866; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:14:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:14:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c5191a$f6a304d0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050222025336.057d5860@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: ugly racks of gear AND Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:13:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, Kim, I was being a tad ironic. The meaning behind my post was simply that we all know what it is like when performiing looping or somewhat technological music, the emphasis for many of us is the achieving of something new using this technology. This often requires alot more effort, but not physical, just to keep all the lights flashing in synch and alot more brain power and good old improvisation reacting to what comes out. This interest is at odds with what we know to be true, that good old raw power and energy can often be a good substitute for all the flashing lights and the boxes they are in. I discovered early on, that I could acheive great results with just a fuzzbox, delay pedal and a stick... no chords needed. I got old Kim, and the sound became more important than the look, the rack became bigger, the routing more complicated. I sat down. I still dream of the old days, and then I stand up, hit the guitar a bit.. but then I realise that Id like to ring-modulate the loop thru the synth with a sample of cats as the carrier.. I have to go down on my knees to fiddle with the synth and the sampler (cos they're near the floor). and there I stay for a while, till I get a bit of cramp in my left leg (or is it rhumatism) and get back up on the nice comfy chair. ... you gotta DO something tho... show a film, adopt a strange glaring expression, wear an odd hat, be surrounded by dancing children in blue paper costumes, i agree with Kim on that one, no excuses, a geek with a box of gear just aint enough... I suspect however, that that is what I am... damn. mark mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com mobile +47 98296008 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: RE: ugly racks of gear AND Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only > At 01:03 AM 2/22/2005, markred wrote: >>I sit.. Of course I sit... and whats more i think that the looper/solo >>musicians who stand, are the ones who look stupid.. jigging about a tiny >>bit but not much cos they'll over balance and step on the mute pedal, >>hovering, wobbling on that feedback/vortex morph pedal. PAH! > > dude, I've spent years watching this stuff. hundreds (maybe thousands) of > loopers. You are so wrong. > >>You'all SAY you stand.. dont believe it... seen the pics from all the loop >>fests.... SIT SIT SITTING SIT KNEEL (rick walker of course) SIT SITTING >>ASLEEP..! > > percussionists are ok sitting. It's because they still move! > >>Now.. back in the old days, when I was touring the states as the guitarist >>in cranes, playing enormadomes with the cure.. blah blah! I STOOD!! I ran >>about.. I slid.. I leapt from the stage into the audience, I sommersalted >>into my amp cabs, I threw the guitar into the air, I hammered it with >>knives, spanners and screw drivers, I twisted, and bent the neck as it >>screamed feedback.. I rammmed metal stcks in between the strings and >>thrashed, I attached bulldog clips onto the strings and shook.. I pogoed, >>and then I dived back into the crowd.. and that was just in the first >>song! > > If someone would please be this interesting at a loop festival I attend, > I'll pay you $50 on the spot, and take up a collection to make sure you > get much more. > >> ...what a wanker I was... > > if the music is good, your idea of a wanker is a good thing. That's called > entertainment. That's the experience one gives when they are really into > what they are playing. They throw their whole body into it and commit > themselves to their music. > >> ...yes I sit down, and Im fiercly proud of it! If they bore of the old >> seventies educational 16mm films that I play backwards.. ("How to deal >> with accidental poisoning" is a WINNER! especially in reverse!!! ).. then >> they can stare at all the blinking lights on my fucking ugly racks! > > please let us see the blinky lights! > >> PS.. I still I attach bulldog clips onto the strings. > > you are close to god. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 7399 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 16:24:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MLMUL11609; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:22:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:22:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.203.182] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050222025336.057d5860@loopers-delight.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ugly racks of gear AND Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:21:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2005 21:22:01.0918 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CA6B5E0:01C51924] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try closing your eyes and listening dude, I've spent years watching this stuff. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 17:18:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MMGhK05510; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:16:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:16:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050222221615.42948.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:16:15 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: boss pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42.637b16a9.2f4cd3a2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I whole heartedly agree. I really like my DD-20 a lot. I can't even imagine having a looper that doesn't allow you to control the percentage of feedback for your loop. That's why things like the RC-20 don't even show up on my radar. Mark --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Ahem! Ahem! About the DD-20 . . . > > In a message dated 02/22/05 9:43:11, > travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > > > Yeah, it's not a looper--it's a delay pedal with > deluxe features. > > > I beg to differ. With 23 seconds of delay time and > the ability to have 2 > loops (delays with 100% feedback) of the same . . . > related . . . or even > totally differing lengths going all at the same time > it can be a pretty darn > powerful "looper" -- certainly every bit as much of > one as the DL-4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 17:19:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MMD3104130; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:13:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:13:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050222150425.11dbe2e0@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:11:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: ugly racks of gear AND Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only In-Reply-To: References: <20050222.053739.6472.149093@webmail28.nyc.untd.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050222124053.11b946f0@gemini.lunarpages.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_Sg7y.A.g_.e56GCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heh! McRorie is a nice guess, but nope. This guy was -- and still is -- a fricking gear genius (not to imply that McRorie isn't, however). We started the studio back about '87 or '88, and he had built his own MIDI trap kit from scratch. It didn't look that much different from the V-Drums that Roland released almost ten years later, although it was a stylistically a bit more of a drum "cage" than the V-Drums. At that time, it was Simmons, Clavia (i think), and Dynacord that pretty much owned the market there. The triggers that McRorie uses on his feet don't look too different from the ones that my business partner John built. They're actually nothing more than Radio Shack piezos soldered up to one end of a guitar cable and plugged into a MIDI trigger brain (we used a Roland PM-16, at the time). A velcro strap holds them onto your foot, and *viola* your kick drum is positioned wherever your foot happens to be. The best part of their innovation is their simplicity. Unfortunately, John was as talented as a chef as he was as a musician/engineer, and that's where he's making his money today. He still plays music, but mostly for himself when last we talked. --m. At 01:13 PM 2/22/2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: >He wasn't McRorie was he? > > >On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:49:38 -0600, Mech wrote: > > At 07:36 AM 2/22/2005, Weg wrote: > > > > > > > (one of my old studio partners was a fantastic electronic drummer. he came > > up with this idea to not only replace his kick drum pedals, but totally > > eliminate his physical kick drums altogether.) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 17:23:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MML6v07090; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:21:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:21:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1d4.36a0334a.2f4d0a36@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:20:38 EST Subject: Re: boss pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d4.36a0334a.2f4d0a36_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d4.36a0334a.2f4d0a36_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jon, In a message dated 02/22/05 11:14:15, jsouthwood@gmail.com writes: > What's the maximum delay time for the reverse delay?=20 >=20 23 seconds -- same as forwards delay. Just don't expect to hear your input 'til 23 second later. It can be a little disconcerting to play and play and=20 play and only begin to hear the reverse material kick in at the end of the delay=20 time that you've dialed in. > While on the topic of the reverse function, can you set up the two > delays as you mention (100% feedback of two delays and switching from > one to the next such that both continue playing) where one of them is > a reverse delay? >=20 In a word YES. There are (all told) 5 programmable delay memory slots -- 4 presets plus=20 the "live" one -- which you use the pedals to step through in order (one direction only, no back-tracking). If you set up one to a certain delay=20 time and direction and the next slot to another delay time and direction=20 (both with 100% feedback) both will play -- but you will only be able to=20 ad new material to the second (current and most recent) one.=20 The thing to remember is -- as soon as you step to a 3rd program slot=20 material in the first one that had been playing will immediately stop. Only the 2nd and newly created 3rd delays will be heard. A week or two ago I posted a "tip" about setting delay times up with a lowest common denominator (like 1, 2, 4, 8, and 16). Pick anything=20 you like as long as the highest number doesn't exceed 23 (which is=20 unfortunately a prime number -- what were they thinking anyway?). Here it is: Suggestion: One of my favorite basic things to do with a DD-20 was to=20 set the first delay to 1250 milliseconds, the next to 5 seconds, the one after that to 10 seconds, the next to 20 seconds -- all with near 100% regeneration/feedback. The first one lets you set up a 4 count beat for=20 the second one -- for a basic rhythmic figure of some sort. The others let you stretch out and play some longer phrases over that and evolve a bit.=20 The 5th and last delay preset slot I set up to a shorter 5- or 10-second=20 delay again but with 70-80% feedback so I can "fade out" smoothly and=20 naturally . . . or possibly introduce some weird reverse effect or something= .=20 You can have alternate slots be forward or reverse if you want. Only 2 delays will play at a time but it is nice to set up short and long=20 delays that mathematically sync up. Conceivably, you could do odd=20 meters too -- if you're into that sort of thing. > Incidentally, are the feedback paths of the two delays kept separate > or when you switch from, say a 3 second delay to a 5 second delay, > does the material from the 3 second delay feedback at the 5 second > rate?=20 >=20 Each of the 5 programs (excluding the first "live" one which is always=20 set by what the real positions of the knobs are) can have their own preset separate feedback, EQ, level and a few other "effect specific"=20 settings. There are some limitations on some FX settings, but largely most of the delays all max out at the full 23 seconds and can independently have=20 whatever feedback setting you want. Was that what you expected? Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1d4.36a0334a.2f4d0a36_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jon,

In a message dated 02/22/05 11:14:15, jsouthwood@gmail.com writes:

What's the maximum del= ay time for the reverse delay?

23 seconds -- same as forwards delay. Just don't expect to hear your input 'til 23 second later. It can be a little disconcerting to play and play and=20= play
and only begin to hear the reverse material kick in at the end of the delay=20=
time that you've dialed in.

While on the topic of=20= the reverse function, can you set up the two
delays as you mention (100% feedback of two delays and switching from
one to the next such that both continue playing) where one of them is
a reverse delay?

In a word YES.

There are (all told) 5 programmable delay memory slots -- 4 presets plus the "live" one -- which you use the pedals to step through in order (one
direction only, no back-tracking). If you set up one to a certain delay
time and direction and the next slot to another delay time and direction (both with 100% feedback) both will play -- but you will only be able to ad new material to the second (current and most recent) one.

The thing to remember is -- as soon as you step to a 3rd program slot
material in the first one that had been playing will immediately stop. Only<= BR> the 2nd and newly created 3rd delays will be heard.

A week or two ago I posted a "tip" about setting delay times up with a
lowest common denominator (like 1, 2, 4, 8, and 16). Pick anything
you like as long as the highest number doesn't exceed 23 (which is
unfortunately a prime number -- what were they thinking anyway?).

Here it is:

Suggestion: One of my favorite basic things to do with a DD-20 was to <= BR> set the first delay to 1250 milliseconds, the next to 5 seconds, the one
after that to 10 seconds, the next to 20 seconds -- all with near 100%
regeneration/feedback. The first one lets you set up a 4 count beat for
the second one -- for a basic rhythmic figure of some sort. The others let you stretch out and play some longer phrases over that and evolve a bit. The 5th and last delay preset slot I set up to a shorter 5- or 10-second delay again but with 70-80% feedback so I can "fade out" smoothly and
naturally . . . or possibly introduce some weird reverse effect or something= .

You can have alternate slots be forward or reverse if you want.
Only 2 delays will play at a time but it is nice to set up short and long delays that mathematically sync up. Conceivably, you could do odd
meters too -- if you're into that sort of thing.

Incidentally, are the=20= feedback paths of the two delays kept separate
or when you switch from, say a 3 second delay to a 5 second delay,
does the material from the 3 second delay feedback at the 5 second
rate?

Each of the 5 programs (excluding the first "live" one which is always
set by what the real positions of the knobs are) can have their own
preset separate feedback, EQ, level and a few other "effect specific"
settings.

There are some limitations on some FX settings, but largely most of the
delays all max out at the full 23 seconds and can independently have
whatever feedback setting you want.

Was that what you expected?

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_1d4.36a0334a.2f4d0a36_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 17:46:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MMi0x14798; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:44:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:44:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421BB58E.2090201@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:43:26 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only References: <200502222223.j1MMNhW08247@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200502222223.j1MMNhW08247@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8RGfi.A.zlD.dW7GCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis, I dont want to turn my back on them either, but I guess it is sorta a sideways kind of affair... my rack is positioned somewhat behind me and to the side, and i sit a little sideways. picture a V-shape, it seems to work out okay in the places I have been so far. note, that with 3 whole looping gigs now under my belt, I am hardly the seasoned professional. -jas >One of my rules is to not turn my back to the audience--how are you >giving the audience, who is presumably located in front of you, a view >of the front of the rack? > > >On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:48:23 -0700, Jason Fink wrote: > >> I dont hide behind my >> little rack, as much as I would like to, I keep all the blinky lights >> and knob twiddling visible to the audience. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 18:04:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1MN2M923514; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:02:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:02:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=pT7TdWWqBrtwDkdl9KKWlRTRO8r8FpXwHmPlsVBOYeDQnrJDOXCoMqN6eLHixtUtDUbPC7mJ2SVXHNKA7mGAtrqfMxVBNA5r+mj+SujLyMxyx8BAVbuHigJe6xu+yNn18mm+CROiSicsG27rtJalOohecDTOO1CTzeuTziT8p+U= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:01:31 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only In-Reply-To: <421BB58E.2090201@cabq.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502222223.j1MMNhW08247@hemlock.violacea.com> <421BB58E.2090201@cabq.gov> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This, for instance, is problematic to me as an audience member: http://www.freesystemprojekt.nl/images/large/Tomaat_left.JPG On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:43:26 -0700, Jason Fink wrote: > Travis, I dont want to turn my back on them either, but I guess it > is sorta a sideways kind of affair... my rack is positioned somewhat > behind me and to the side, and i sit a little sideways. picture a V-shape, > it seems to work out okay in the places I have been so far. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 19:14:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1N0DKo11939; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:13:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:13:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jSjz72lBAKNMT/pSdI9cKQTJ++whjtsn4gBvQupQ/iU7tUdKQx9PkfwOjBxxUxgFOcgshc/RZDuye20yAD/s9FN5eEbfZK69YAMIy6vc8wggf4FqGrCn976oBg1tmn+QfT0GwG8zppBFR7OlSKM+8LKJR9PVpXrCXhsm8mlHj+4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:12:55 -0600 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boss pedals In-Reply-To: <1d4.36a0334a.2f4d0a36@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <1d4.36a0334a.2f4d0a36@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1N0D1x11832 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted, Thanks for the detailed info. It sounds like I may be trading in my DL4 for a DD-20. Regarding the final question, I wasn't quite clear. Here's what I meant to ask: Let's say we have two presets: A (3 second delay with 100% feedback) and B (5 second delay with 100% feedback). We create a 3-second loop with preset A and then switch to preset B. What happens to the material we recorded into preset A? Does it continue to repeat at 3 seconds, or does that 3 seconds of audio get fed into the 5 second delay, causing the 'loop' to fold over onto itself as it crosses the 5 second boundary? >From certain clues in what you described elsewhere, I suspect that the 3 second delay continues looping at 3 seconds, completely independent of the new 5 second delay, essentially acting as delays running in parallel rather than delays running in serial. (The primary clue being that once you switch to preset C, the material built up in preset A immediately disappears.) Is that the case? If it behaves like that, you could quite easily create a variation of Henry Cowell's "rhythmicon" using a couple DD-20s and an A/B switch (or, if you really wanna go crazy, 3 DD-20s with an A/B/C switch). And yet another question (since noone around here carries 'em): If you do tap-tempo for setting the delay time for a reverse delay, does the reverse begin at the second tap or does it wait for another 'cycle' of the tapped tempo? In other words: tap--->play for 3 seconds-->tap; does it immediately play the audio backwards or does it wait for another 3 seconds, reversing whatever was played for the 3 seconds after the 2nd tap? Thanks again. Cheers, Jon Southwood On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:20:38 EST, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > Was that what you expected? > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 19:53:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1N0ofg20149; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:50:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:50:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:57:01 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows To: Message-id: <006a01c51942$96394a00$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050222053411.DKTN29980.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An interesting idea! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:34 AM Subject: RE: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > Changing the loop size through windowing with Loop IV, making the piece > smaller and smaller, is a good way to end any loop. > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 20:00:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1N0wHD22462; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:58:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:58:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=M64gy/ncm8xotvpF0kXrZannupQ/KAjb0NZkrsOnbNXcUv8MpOE8R8jtmCR2o2ZLBtZKT97qm+aHK4k2GFR+rLd3c8irwYjhm7HZ4eECx1RlD6HRT+D5lhYpnlyw4CM5ZtxzN/MbGs/Sa8VMgKUNhebBKTGP8AC4D1tw3c5Jc60= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:57:40 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows In-Reply-To: <006a01c51942$96394a00$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050222053411.DKTN29980.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> <006a01c51942$96394a00$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wish I had an easy way to do an audio equivalent of that camera trick where they zoom in and dolly out (or vice versa, I can never remember) at the same time. I guess it'd be slowing the tempo down by 10Xwhile pitchshifting it up 10X, or something along those lines. On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:57:01 -0500, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > An interesting idea! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Lehmann" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:34 AM > Subject: RE: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > > > Changing the loop size through windowing with Loop IV, making the piece > > smaller and smaller, is a good way to end any loop. > > Gary > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 20:10:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1N18kS27344; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:08:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:08:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:15:07 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows To: Message-id: <00a201c51945$1d292240$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050222053411.DKTN29980.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> <006a01c51942$96394a00$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the all the ideas offered. I guess over the last 15 years I've pretty much tried them all (except the one from Gary mentioned below). They each have their place. And either I've grown uncomfortable with each of them and / or I've seen audiences become uncomfortable with them. The best answer I've personally come to is to do what feel is right for each piece, pre-planned or not, and to do it with great intent. Which includes standing peacefully for 2 to 3 minutes while a 30+ second loop gradually fades down. Still, I was hoping for something new. David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Lehmann" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:34 AM > Subject: RE: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > > > > Changing the loop size through windowing with Loop IV, making the piece > > smaller and smaller, is a good way to end any loop. > > Gary > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 21:23:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1N2MGE08936; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:22:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:22:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=LuWN6O1IMQ6R83ztOAnrS+RobKJlMAQMVk9sukxq6isQGsymBQhfAq9o030CgrZh; Message-ID: <410-22005232322938370@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Steven's 2100s Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:29:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94084f5c8b8b205b9392e4a03dcb4eca0fc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.12 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heyo Steven! I tried to send this reply just to you, but your silly spam filter kicked it out, saying "Mail with Subject lines containing "1z" are rejected." (Huh?) So you have a 2100 as well? Two of them, no less? Cool! Zoom's lower-end units are very effective if you find out what they're good at and stick with it. What's your take on the mighty Player? I've had mine for 6 years and haven't quite grokked it... its menu makes my eyes glaze over (LOL). Compared to my beloved-but-hissy 505, the reverb is miles better but the pitch-related stuf isn't as tactile, somehow. And I still need to understand the looping aspect of it...I'm embarrassed to say that its lack of knobs seems to have hampered my full exploration. ~Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: Timothy Mungenast > To: > Date: 2/22/2005 9:24:24 PM > Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > > So you have a 2100 as well? > Two of them, no less? > Cool! Zoom's lower-end units are very effective if you find out what they're good at and stick with it. What's your take on the mighty Player? I've had mine for 6 years and haven't quite grokked it... its menu makes my eyes glaze over (LOL). Compared to my beloved-but-hissy 505, the reverb is miles better but the pitch-related stuf isn't as tactile, somehow. And I still need to understand the looping aspect of it...I'm embarrassed to say that its lack of knobs seems to have hampered my full exploration. > ~Tim Mungenast > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Stephen Goodman > > To: > > Date: 2/21/2005 8:46:16 PM > > Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > > > > Typical setup is two Zoom 2100's into the Mackie, with efx send-receive on > > the Digitech 7.6 (called the Master loop for this explanation). The Zoom's > > output often gets put into the Master loop. That said.. > > > > 1. Allow the Master to decay to nothing, between 70-90%. A bit Frippian if > > you also decide to walk off the performance area/stage. (Also if you > > continue to handle the guitar or other sound source, some folks may also > > think you're still playing.) > > > > 2. Play with Master closed to input, either loop shut or decayed. > > > > 3. Wet. Rinse. Repeat. Repeat. > > > > Stephen Goodman > > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > > * http://www.medialinenews.com > > > > * "I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English to men, and Japanese to > > my horse." > > *- Buckaroo Banzai From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 21:32:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1N2Vu111697; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:31:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:31:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=Twy0Dw0O/t6StH3Ew3X2cau9NNV20FszZjcFHKwyXB1JygUxYE/5/CoKzwqmYgAY; Message-ID: <410-22005232323944530@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When does it end? Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:39:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403f28edb85fbbefb5a44e636a761e8a97350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.12 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just venting to Krispen about this topic...ever notice when you respond to one of his posts, it goes just to him and not the group? D'oh! ;-) ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: phill wilson > To: > Date: 2/22/2005 10:54:47 AM > Subject: Re: When does it end? > > one of the problems that i constantly battle with that leads from this topic > is the old > > MultiFX Vs Stompbox's. > > I love the ability to turn on just one effect at a time and use them in a > creative and addiive way, therefore stompboxes are the love of my life > leading me to own over 60 at the tender age of 25. however there is always > a pull towad the benifits of muiltfx due to the lack of realestate on most > of the floors i play on. > > the biggest downer of multifx for me is that most use PATCHES, i initially > loved these things as you could change lots of sounds at once, however, to > my creative side, they are so fixed and limiting. > > the other thing i hate about multifx is that for some reason manufacturers > think we would never do with out them so thay, the make the bypass to two > button command that leads to an uunholy mess of patch changes if you dont > hit them just so...........dont you all just hate that, Ive actually > wondered if I could hack my zoom 707 and put a little bypass switch in the > middle of the case before the screen and link it to press both buttons at > once (anyone!?!?) > > well thats my spleen vented for the day. > > Phill Wilson > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 22:36:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1N3XXC28575; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:33:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:33:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: When does it end? Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:32:03 -0700 Message-ID: <004d01c51958$3fd77b30$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <410-22005232323944530@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 92, in=194, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's becase I was an only child, and it's all about me...me, me, me.... :) K- -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When does it end? I was just venting to Krispen about this topic...ever notice when you respond to one of his posts, it goes just to him and not the group? D'oh! ;-) ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: phill wilson > To: > Date: 2/22/2005 10:54:47 AM > Subject: Re: When does it end? > > one of the problems that i constantly battle with that leads from this topic > is the old > > MultiFX Vs Stompbox's. > > I love the ability to turn on just one effect at a time and use them > in a > creative and addiive way, therefore stompboxes are the love of my life > leading me to own over 60 at the tender age of 25. however there is always > a pull towad the benifits of muiltfx due to the lack of realestate on most > of the floors i play on. > > the biggest downer of multifx for me is that most use PATCHES, i initially > loved these things as you could change lots of sounds at once, > however, to > my creative side, they are so fixed and limiting. > > the other thing i hate about multifx is that for some reason manufacturers > think we would never do with out them so thay, the make the bypass to > two > button command that leads to an uunholy mess of patch changes if you dont > hit them just so...........dont you all just hate that, Ive actually > wondered if I could hack my zoom 707 and put a little bypass switch in the > middle of the case before the screen and link it to press both buttons > at > once (anyone!?!?) > > well thats my spleen vented for the day. > > Phill Wilson > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 22 22:56:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1N3tjE00583; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:55:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:55:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <1ee.360d20f4.2f4d58a3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:55:15 EST Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1109130915" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1109130915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/22/2005 6:08:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, vze2ncsr@verizon.net writes: Still, I was hoping for something new. 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 -------------------------------1109130915-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 03:36:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1N8Zem29929; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:35:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:35:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421C400D.6000001@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:34:21 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Guitarist and Bassists only References: <200502222223.j1MMNhW08247@hemlock.violacea.com> <421BB58E.2090201@cabq.gov> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Haha! At least they're making an effort to avoid their audience. Travis Hartnett wrote: >This, for instance, is problematic to me as an audience member: > >http://www.freesystemprojekt.nl/images/large/Tomaat_left.JPG > > >On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:43:26 -0700, Jason Fink wrote: > > >>Travis, I dont want to turn my back on them either, but I guess it >>is sorta a sideways kind of affair... my rack is positioned somewhat >>behind me and to the side, and i sit a little sideways. picture a V-shape, >>it seems to work out okay in the places I have been so far. >> >> > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 05:45:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NAi1X29770; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:44:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:44:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:41:42 +0100 From: numbernine X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Reply-To: numbernine X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1482431185.20050223114142@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new software looper mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dear loopers, I'm new to the list, so just a few words about me: I'm musicain (as most of you I guess) playing electro-acoustic hurdy-gurdy. I play in bands and improvised sessions with and without loops. For looping I used a jamman till now and my laptop for live FX (via RME Multiface) both MIDI controlled. I was always looking for the best solution to do looping on my PC (Windows) in order to have more possibilities (stereo, multiple tracks) and less luggage while travelling). Now it seems I have found what I was looking for and I have not seen it discussed in the mailing list archive, thats why I'm writing. It is the mobius software programmed by Jeff Larson which seems to be finished in the first beta versions only since a short time. It simulates 8 EDP machines at the same time (finally in stereo!). you find more at www.zonemobius.com mobius is still in the beginning but for me it is already the ultimative loopdevice on PC. I had lots of fun when trying it for the last few days. kind regards, Matthias Loibner From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 07:28:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NCSAh20213; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:28:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:28:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: b706b2b3243e4481e9986ab200fb4908 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050222221615.42948.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050222221615.42948.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:55:29 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: boss pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeees Mark! Long live FeedBack control! I coule not even imagine to loop without controlled by foot... >I whole heartedly agree. I really like my DD-20 a >lot. I can't even imagine having a looper that >doesn't allow you to control the percentage of >feedback for your loop. That's why things like the >RC-20 don't even show up on my radar. > >Mark > >--- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > >> Ahem! Ahem! About the DD-20 . . . >> >> In a message dated 02/22/05 9:43:11, >> travishartnett@gmail.com writes: >> >> > Yeah, it's not a looper--it's a delay pedal with >> deluxe features. >> > >> I beg to differ. With 23 seconds of delay time and >> the ability to have 2 >> loops (delays with 100% feedback) of the same . . . >> related . . . or even >> totally differing lengths going all at the same time >> it can be a pretty darn >> powerful "looper" -- certainly every bit as much of >> one as the DL-4 -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 08:40:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NDdji03577; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:39:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:39:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050223132659.02b48070@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:37:21 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows In-Reply-To: <200502231228.j1NCSeb20343@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200502231228.j1NCSeb20343@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <39xgJB.A.Qz.udIHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Still, I was hoping for something new. > >David I bet if you asked the question again without specifying "ambient" there'd be a lot of suggestions. Once or twice I used a special Vortex patch to post process the loop. At the press of a button the loop would be faded down and simultaneously fed to a short echo and plenty of processing. Sort of ending with an explosion. :-( don't suppose that's very ambient though. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 10:01:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NExNq27698; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:59:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:59:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=6LwEeRd79i+UNvJ2RGoYQDCUT/Kg22DhXlwUn09ZUFKLxe8FB/s9Ex8cP0Cq69yRwU9NQK1i+gw9C7lhN+wmi1thX92Tnpehz0767PV4Y8EGTn0BjJLFuAWSel3jlNinNtVrmKTD469Hc9HMzDfWzflhzlGGdOqAJlSbMjMU9fI= ; Message-ID: <20050223145853.36038.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:58:52 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050223132659.02b48070@pop.tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3jXvM.A.dXG.zoJHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like to end an ambient loop doing undo going back to the very beginning and ending it abruptly afterwards... Luis --- a k butler wrote: > > > >Still, I was hoping for something new. > > > >David > > I bet if you asked the question again without > specifying "ambient" there'd > be a lot of suggestions. > > Once or twice I used a special Vortex patch to post > process the loop. > At the press of a button the loop would be faded > down and simultaneously > fed to a short echo and plenty of processing. Sort > of ending with an explosion. > :-( don't suppose that's very ambient though. > > andy butler > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 10:25:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NFOF001313; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:24:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:24:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Mizuho@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:22:48 EST Subject: Re: boss pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fb.6b64a60b.2f4df9c8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fb.6b64a60b.2f4df9c8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I never understood why the RC-20 did not have a +4 input! Crazy. Bill --part1_fb.6b64a60b.2f4df9c8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I never understood why the RC-20 did no= t have a +4 input!
Crazy.

Bill --part1_fb.6b64a60b.2f4df9c8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 10:46:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NFjKV07422; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:45:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:45:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=OJPHgGe+wX8z62nno6GBpZQWH/f6+8SwBsl5Gxi9RSX+5G7Qz2A6R6TtHHRUEUrZDNZ8H7+ITQkEl1YdhurUoX8aa40oBNcaXy5PX6gCtBOXDvG+2BPQ2V+HWSHSsdBuIDUof5sr85SzuObng01dF9Z/LvLUcN9XcL4XSIhla/w= ; Message-ID: <20050223154423.66258.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:44:22 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: software looping To: Jesse Chappell , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just noticed that you're the author of SL (right?). Can't say thanks enough! I am now subscribed to the SL mailling list, and love it. The only downside to software looping is that you can't trigger recording / overdubbing with the mouse / keyboard using your hands and play guitar/whatever at the same time. =) So a midi foot pedal is pretty much a necessity. But I found one of those that was pretty inexpensive, so I LOVE what I see so far. Thanks! Also, the other thing that discovering SL opened up for me was that using the required Jack application, you can route audio from other apps through to SL (which I didn't know before). So last night I was playing software instruments in GarageBand while looping in SL, and it worked pretty well, aside from the fact that GB is a resource-hogging monster. =) Mike --- Jesse Chappell wrote: > I suggest you try the recently released SooperLooper > at > http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ > which shares many features with the EDP. Let me > know how it works for you... > > jlf > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:48:37 -0800 (PST), mike > feeney > wrote: > > Hey guys. > > > > I was a subscriber a few years ago and was looping > > using a Boomerang pedal, but kind of fell out of > the > > proverbial "loop" for awhile. Now I have a > greatly > > renewed interest in returning to looping during my > > gigs, but I'd like to base it around my G4 > Powerbook. > > > > I'm not sure what software will do what I'm > looking > > for with a fairly intuitive interface. I have a > midi > > controller keyboard, and would like to use that in > > conjunction with audio inputs (guitars / mics / > bass / > > whatever) and use all of the above in creating > live > > loops in front of a crowd. > > > > Any recommendations? I spent a few days with > Ableton > > Live, but just can't wrap my head around their > > interface. Surely there's got to be something > that is > > easier to use. > > > > If it would simplify the usability of the > software, > > I'd love something that I could use just to loop > and > > overdub audio input (the aforementioned guitars / > > whatever) and leave the midi controller out of the > > equation. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > Mike > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 11:29:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NGRTH17421; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:27:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:27:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <14127775.1109175943920.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:25:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss fc-50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone got a Boss FC-50 or someting similar that they're not using anymore? I may be "innerested." Yes, I know the Behringer 1010 is inexpensive but it's more than I need. It just occurred to me that if I'm gonna use my newly-acquired VF-1 live, I'm gonna need some way to control it. (Not that I'm looking fwd to programming a MIDI controller.... (shudder) ) Do the FC-50s work well? Does anyone make a good knockoff? (It's okay to buy a knockoff if the orig. is discontinued.) Trembling in Technofear, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 11:44:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NGgrN22355; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:42:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:42:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <192.3a3c0616.2f4e0c26@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:41:10 EST Subject: OT: ALESIS AKIRA SIGHTED ON EBAY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.3a3c0616.2f4e0c26_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_192.3a3c0616.2f4e0c26_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kids, I just thought I'd post this. I know Rick W has been on the lookout=20 for one of these. Maybe some others of you too. I even bid on it=20 once myself when the bidding was still low -- even though I already=20 have one. A pretty cool item for post-loop processing, etc., etc. Go to: http://search.ebay.com/alesis-akira_W0QQfromZR40QQsojsZ1 Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_192.3a3c0616.2f4e0c26_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kids,

I just thought I'd post this. I know Rick W has been on the lookout
for one of these. Maybe some others of you too. I even bid on it
once myself when the bidding was still low -- even though I already
have one. A pretty cool item for post-loop processing, etc., etc.

Go to: http://search.ebay.com/alesis-akira_W0QQfromZR40QQsojsZ1

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_192.3a3c0616.2f4e0c26_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 11:56:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NGs7J24446; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:54:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:54:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:53:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C51985.18983460" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00b701c51899$03edb4a0$6e905545@Biffoz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C51985.18983460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hey Miko any chance you might want to do a set with Andre laFosse and I at the attic on April 10th, a sunday evening. there is no money in it other than what you can make off your own merchandise, but you would be able to have at least 45 minutes to an hour to do your thing. if you are not interested or can't make it, is ther anyone else you could suggest? I thought about Chris Muir though I have no contact info for him and he hasn't posted to LD in quite some time.n Since its a Sunday night i figured tthere might not be any conflicts. Let me know ASAP. Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: Miko Biffle [mailto:biffoz@arczip.com] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Whoa... I'll be 52 in August... I still like to stand. I found that when playing solo acoustic I immediately had a better reaction from the audience upon standing. Having always done the rock thing anyway, it seems more natural. Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ----- Original Message ----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: Re: Sit or Stand? Gary, In a message dated 02/20/05 21:14:26, hqr@cox.net writes: Weak back is one reason I am asking--mine hurts . . . But heck, I'm 52-- Mine too . . . and I will be 52 in a couple of months as well. The "access to footpedals" question is a reasonable one too. I am frequently "pedaling" with both feet when I'm playing with my full rig and seated. Unless you can do something like the old Morley cartoon mascot guy and have pedals for shoes this is a little difficult to do while standing. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C51985.18983460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hey=20 Miko any chance you might want to do a set with Andre laFosse and I at = the attic=20 on April 10th, a sunday evening.  there is no money in it other = than what=20 you can make off your own merchandise, but you would be able to have at = least 45=20 minutes to an hour to do your thing. if you are not interested or can't = make it,=20 is ther anyone else you could suggest?  I thought about Chris Muir = though I=20 have no contact info for him and he hasn't posted to LD in quite some = time.n=20 Since its a Sunday night i figured tthere might not be any=20 conflicts.
Let me=20 know ASAP.
Thanks
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Miko Biffle=20 [mailto:biffoz@arczip.com]
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 = 8:43=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Sit or Stand?

Whoa... I'll be 52 in August... I = still like to=20 stand. I found that when playing solo acoustic I immediately had a = better=20 reaction from the audience upon standing. Having always done the rock = thing=20 anyway, it seems more natural.
 
Miko Biffle
"Running scared from all the usual = distractions!"=20
Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com  www.cdbaby.com/biffoz
=
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 21, = 2005 8:35=20 AM
Subject: Re: Sit or = Stand?

Gary,

In a = message dated=20 02/20/05 21:14:26, hqr@cox.net=20 writes:

Weak back is one reason I am asking--mine = hurts . .=20 .  But heck, I'm 52--

Mine too . . . and I will be 52 in = a couple of=20 months as well.

The "access to footpedals" question is a = reasonable=20 one too. I am frequently
"pedaling" with both feet when I'm = playing with=20 my full rig and seated.
Unless you can do something like the old = Morley=20 cartoon mascot guy and
have pedals for shoes this is a little = difficult=20 to do while standing.

Best regards,

tEd =AE=20 kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always = = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, = Napster,
AudioLunchbox,=20 Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, = Sony=20 Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. = Blah,=20 blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you = doesn't mean=20 you're an artist."
 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C51985.18983460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 12:20:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NHIvS30877; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:18:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:18:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: ALESIS AKIRA SIGHTED ON EBAY Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:17:22 -0700 Message-ID: <005a01c519cb$89c14f50$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C51990.DD627750" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <192.3a3c0616.2f4e0c26@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ****: 4.300000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3,Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 93, in=195, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C51990.DD627750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let the bidding begin! I can't believe what the price is up to. It looks like I got mine just at the right time (for $125) before inflation into the stratosphere. ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: ALESIS AKIRA SIGHTED ON EBAY Hi Kids, I just thought I'd post this. I know Rick W has been on the lookout for one of these. Maybe some others of you too. I even bid on it once myself when the bidding was still low -- even though I already have one. A pretty cool item for post-loop processing, etc., etc. Go to: http://search.ebay.com/alesis-akira_W0QQfromZR40QQsojsZ1 Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C51990.DD627750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Let=20 the bidding begin!  I can't believe what the price is up to. It = looks like=20 I got mine just at the right time (for $125) before inflation into = the=20 stratosphere.

****************************************************************= **********************
Krispen=20 Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com=
info@krispenhartung.com
View=20 improvisational / real-time looping videos:
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hart= ung/catalogue.htm#videos
Interactive=20 tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians= .com/gear.htm

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 February 23, 2005 9:41 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: ALESIS = AKIRA=20 SIGHTED ON EBAY

Hi = Kids,

I just=20 thought I'd post this. I know Rick W has been on the lookout
for = one of=20 these. Maybe some others of you too. I even bid on it
once myself = when the=20 bidding was still low -- even though I already
have one. A pretty = cool=20 item for post-loop processing, etc., etc.

Go to: http://search.ebay.com/alesis-akira_W0QQfromZR40QQso= jsZ1

Best=20 regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always = better, but=20 better is always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're = an=20 artist."
 ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C51990.DD627750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 12:23:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NHN6i32172; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:23:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:23:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Subject: When does it end? Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:21:27 -0700 Message-ID: <005f01c519cc$1bb5cfd0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <410-22005222222710950@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 92, in=204, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When will it end? Never. Quick question to you Eventide evangelists. How powerful is the Eclipse? This is the replacement to the H3000 units, right? If I were to sell all of my rack effects tomorrow (Boss VF-1, Akira, Vortex, Boss SX-700, Boss GT-3, Lexicon LXP1 and LXP5, would the Eclipse keep me interested and diversified enough? Would I be able to have chorus, delay, and great reverb, plus cool tone altering effects all at the same time? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 12:24:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NHNDw32192; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:23:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:23:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: b0e3542484540262760913e911a15cb6 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050221175854.ERSQ12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050221175854.ERSQ12414.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:58:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Sit or Stand? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used drum stools but they are pretty heavy and not so easy to make small I ordered a x kind of foldable wood chair at the old mech neigbour and put fome on top: http://matthias.grob.org/pEE/ppEquip/MechE.htm >-----Original Message----- >Krispen wondered: > >Anyone use a drum stool? I'm thinking of getting one, because they are >padded, swivel around to access a plethora of pedal devices, racks on either >side, and their height is adjustable. > >--->I do! > >When I did a solo in the 80's, I would kick bass pedals, and this required >seating--I acquired a drum stool, still use it some--but no back support on >that puppy. > >Incidently, I was drawn to bass kicking when I was in a duo with a fellow >who played guitar and kicked bass--George York is his name, and we were >called The Bass Went Home--"the world's only two man trio". He would use a >tall wooden stool, prop himself up with his butt just barely hanging off the >edge, and with his long legs, from the audience it looked like he was >standing! > >Gary -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 12:28:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NHRRM01560; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:27:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:27:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Power of the Eventide Eclipse Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:26:04 -0700 Message-ID: <006201c519cc$c0de3ce0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 92, in=205, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <6G0v8.A.zO.1yLHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quick question to you Eventide evangelists. How powerful is the Eclipse? This is the replacement to the H3000 units, right? If I were to sell all of my rack effects tomorrow (Boss VF-1, Akira, Vortex, Boss SX-700, Boss GT-3, Lexicon LXP1 and LXP5, would the Eclipse keep me interested and diversified enough? Would I be able to have chorus, delay, and great reverb, plus cool tone altering effects all at the same time? With no algorithm restrictions, etc. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 12:30:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NHStj02084; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:28:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:28:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1d4.36b33e18.2f4e16be@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:26:22 EST Subject: Re: ALESIS AKIRA SIGHTED ON EBAY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d4.36b33e18.2f4e16be_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d4.36b33e18.2f4e16be_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, In a message dated 02/23/05 9:18:07, info@krispenhartung.com writes: > Let the bidding begin! I can't believe what the price is up to. It looks=20 > like=20 > I got mine just at the right time (for $125) before inflation into the=20 > stratosphere. >=20 Yeah. Me too. They're inch upwards in price all the time. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1d4.36b33e18.2f4e16be_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris,

In a message dated 02/23/05 9:18:07, info@krispenhartung.com writes:

Let the bidding begin= ! I can't believe what the price is up to. It looks like
I got mine just at the right time (for $125) before inflation into the
stratosphere.

Yeah. Me too. They're inch upwards in price all the time.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_1d4.36b33e18.2f4e16be_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 12:37:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NHYiP03576; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:34:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:34:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <12493926.1109179957773.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:32:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ALESIS AKIRA SIGHTED ON EBAY Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
...would you hate me if I said I got my VF-1 for $150?


----= -Original Message-----
From: ArsOcarina@aol.com
Sent: Feb 23, 2005 = 12:26 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: ALESI= S AKIRA SIGHTED ON EBAY

Kris,=

In a message dated 02/23/05 9:18:07, info@krispenhartung.com writes= :

Let the bidding beg= in! I can't believe what the price is up to. It looks like
I got mine just = at the right time (for $125) before inflation into the
stratosphere.

Yeah. Me too. They're inch upwards in price all the time.=

<= /FONT>= Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better= , but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<= BR>http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaetern= a.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerre= cords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.= aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?= ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: A= pple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napste= r,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRad= io, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yad= da, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands = you doesn't mean you're an artist."
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 12:41:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NHeY106862; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:40:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:40:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.10.178.31] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <006201c519cc$c0de3ce0$6601a8c0@khartung> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Power of the Eventide Eclipse... Reverb Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:39:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2005 17:40:06.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6B108E0:01C519CE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I peeked at the eclipse too but wondered about the reverb vs. my pcm 80 Any thoughts I might want to keep on to the gt3 as it is good to travel with cheers Louis >From: "Krispen Hartung" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Power of the Eventide Eclipse >Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:26:04 -0700 > >Quick question to you Eventide evangelists. How powerful is the Eclipse? >This is the replacement to the H3000 units, right? > >If I were to sell all of my rack effects tomorrow (Boss VF-1, Akira, >Vortex, Boss SX-700, Boss GT-3, Lexicon LXP1 and LXP5, would the Eclipse >keep me interested and diversified enough? Would I be able to have >chorus, delay, and great reverb, plus cool tone altering effects all at >the same time? With no algorithm restrictions, etc. > >Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 12:53:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NHq6P09846; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:52:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:52:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.90,110,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="8752875:sNHT17963472" Subject: Re: boss pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.10 March 22, 2002 Message-ID: From: Rafael_Cohen@prusec.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:50:34 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 02/23/2005 12:49:14 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2005 17:50:36.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E19EC70:01C519D0] Resent-Message-ID: <0JGLKC.A.hPC.yJMHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another advantage of the DD-20 over the RC-20 is that you can actually hear multiple loops at once. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 12:54:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NHrt410812; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:53:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:53:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:49:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Power of the Eventide Eclipse... Reverb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:39 PM -0500 2/23/05, Louis Rossi wrote: >I peeked at the eclipse too but wondered about the reverb vs. my pcm 80 I think it's a Ford versus Chevy sort of debate. Both PCM 80 and Eclipse have excellent reverbs, though both are designed as multi-effects boxes rather than dedicated reverb processors. The best thing to do is to set up both units and do an A/B comparison. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 12:57:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NHtAI11381; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:55:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:55:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006201c519cc$c0de3ce0$6601a8c0@khartung> References: <006201c519cc$c0de3ce0$6601a8c0@khartung> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:44:02 -0800 To: , From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Power of the Eventide Eclipse Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:26 AM -0700 2/23/05, Krispen Hartung wrote: >Quick question to you Eventide evangelists. Disclaimer: I don't own an Eclipse, nor have I ever used one. I do own an H3000, DSP4000, and Orville. I have been on the Eventide mailing list for years, where there are many Eclipse users. >How powerful is the Eclipse? Plenty powerful. >This is the replacement to the H3000 units, right? Not really, though it inhabits the bottom slot in the Eventide product line. Technologically it is a couple of generations past the H3000. Functionally it is similar in that it does not support user-designed algorithms. >If I were to sell all of my rack effects tomorrow (Boss VF-1, Akira, >Vortex, Boss SX-700, Boss GT-3, Lexicon LXP1 and LXP5, would the Eclipse >keep me interested and diversified enough? Only you can answer that question. >Would I be able to have chorus, delay, and great reverb, plus cool >tone altering effects all at the same time? With no algorithm >restrictions, etc. You would have less immediate access to the various components of your processing network. Yes, you'd be able to have multiple simultaneous effects, but I doubt if you'd be able to replicate what you can achieve with the combination of seven discrete processors you mention. One principal advantage with the Eclipse is that it would sound better since your signal would be passing through a single, high-quality unit rather than an assortment of separate boxes. Why not borrow or rent an Eclipse and try it out yourself? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 14:26:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NJPCp03054; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:25:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:25:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: ALESIS AKIRA SIGHTED ON EBAY Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:23:24 -0700 Message-ID: <006a01c519dd$253ed9f0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01C519A2.78E001F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <12493926.1109179957773.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 92, in=181, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C519A2.78E001F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got my VF-1 for $200, so I guess I don't hate you yet. :) $150 is a good deal. -----Original Message----- From: mungenast@earthlink.net [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ALESIS AKIRA SIGHTED ON EBAY ...would you hate me if I said I got my VF-1 for $150? -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Sent: Feb 23, 2005 12:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ALESIS AKIRA SIGHTED ON EBAY Kris, In a message dated 02/23/05 9:18:07, info@krispenhartung.com writes: Let the bidding begin! I can't believe what the price is up to. It looks like I got mine just at the right time (for $125) before inflation into the stratosphere. Yeah. Me too. They're inch upwards in price all the time. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C519A2.78E001F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I got my = VF-1 for $200, so=20 I guess I don't hate you yet.   :)  $150 is a good=20 deal.
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 mungenast@earthlink.net [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] =
Sent:=20 Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:33 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: ALESIS = AKIRA=20 SIGHTED ON EBAY

...would you hate me if I said I got my VF-1 for=20 $150?


-----Original Message-----
From: = ArsOcarina@aol.com=20
Sent: Feb 23, 2005 12:26 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
Subject: Re: ALESIS AKIRA SIGHTED ON EBAY

Kris,

In a message dated 02/23/05 9:18:07, = info@krispenhartung.com writes:

Let the bidding begin! I can't believe what the = price is=20 up to. It looks like
I got mine just at the right time (for $125) = before=20 inflation into the
stratosphere.

Yeah. Me too. = They're inch upwards=20 in price all the time.

Best regards,

tEd ® = kiLLiAn

"Different is not=20 always better, but better is always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're = an=20 artist."
 ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C519A2.78E001F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 14:57:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NJtH510576; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:55:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:55:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Sit or Stand? The final report Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:53:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUYdeFL7W7rk/g1QxWSQSbl3v+OZwBasEIA Message-Id: <20050223195344.SUHM7956.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Clint Allen posted: I can't wait to see the final report of sitting versus standing statistics. There will be a report, right? ---> So here it is . . . 12 stand, 10 sit, and 7 say they do either, depending-- I am one of the 7, although I almost always stand-- Not included in this number are Tom Griesgraber (stand), Andre LaFosse (stand), or Steve Lawson (sit). Thanks for sharing stats and opinions. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 15:02:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NK14Y13703; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:01:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:01:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:00:01 EST Subject: Re: ALESIS AKIRA SIGHTED ON EBAY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fd.df43c36.2f4e3ac1_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <49Zf2D.A.OQD.MDOHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fd.df43c36.2f4e3ac1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Kris. I hit the "send now" button prematurely. The auction on that Akira just ended with a final price of=20 $228.50 (plus shipping). That's too rich for my blood. I figure we got ours pretty cheap. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_fd.df43c36.2f4e3ac1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Kris. I hit the "send now" button= prematurely.

The auction on that Akira just ended with a final price of
$228.50 (plus shipping). That's too rich for my blood.
I figure we got ours pretty cheap.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_fd.df43c36.2f4e3ac1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 15:23:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NKMhq17935; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:22:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:22:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7E55C1C2-85D8-11D9-B2FD-000A956F605C@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: filter question Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:21:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry, but can anyone share a foolproof way to filter your loopers-delight email to a folder. i've tried everything i can imagine and it still winds up in my regular mail. i may just have to unsuscribe. thanks monk@fuse.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 15:24:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NKNCW18300; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:23:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:23:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:21:53 EST Subject: Re: software looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c0.22e30ef2.2f4e3fe1_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c0.22e30ef2.2f4e3fe1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/23/05 10:45:14 AM, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: > http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ > when i try to download this all i get is a large page with all kind of weirdness, strange letters and symbols.....what am i doing wrong? --part1_c0.22e30ef2.2f4e3fe1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/23/05 10:45:14 AM, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes:


http://essej.net/sooperlooper/<= BR>


when i try to download this all i get is a large page with all kind of weird= ness, strange letters and symbols.....what am i doing wrong? --part1_c0.22e30ef2.2f4e3fe1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 15:25:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NKP9C19418; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:25:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:25:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Power of the Eventide Eclipse Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:25:08 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c519e5$c4f98820$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006201c519cc$c0de3ce0$6601a8c0@khartung> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1NKNsx18457 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kris, No, you won't be able to have all that you mention at the same time. The Eclipse is basically a two-algorithms-at-the-same-time machine. Some of these algorithms can get quite powerful (say, looper plus pitch shifter plus "small" (2 seconds) delay, but this is in a fixed order within this algorithm - so you can't move the small delay in front of the pitch shifter. There are a few really outstanding algorithms, and the effects quality is pristine - but it isn't a box which could replace all of your current effects. It would make a nice addition to them - if you want to spend that kind of money. As I understand, a better choice would be a Kurzweil KSP8 - but this one has no pitch shifting for some reason I do not understand. Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2005 18:26 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Power of the Eventide Eclipse Quick question to you Eventide evangelists. How powerful is the Eclipse? This is the replacement to the H3000 units, right? If I were to sell all of my rack effects tomorrow (Boss VF-1, Akira, Vortex, Boss SX-700, Boss GT-3, Lexicon LXP1 and LXP5, would the Eclipse keep me interested and diversified enough? Would I be able to have chorus, delay, and great reverb, plus cool tone altering effects all at the same time? With no algorithm restrictions, etc. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 15:39:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NKceq23690; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:38:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:38:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=awtS8ZycNqjYs7cnjHP2gA2aOU4fCtTA3D/ionp8/nBdC+9WBHlnOUs/5aklmPSPrE7wqiLoLRq987jrYGeIT+nBZ3Z5i0Zwz7b9a9+DFU0X4KxK+rAtfmTTK84mz9a1bP/qNk0eHoYI4ZgbQvIoH94NKmzgz5V4Mls319wkAkI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:38:11 -0600 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: filter question In-Reply-To: <7E55C1C2-85D8-11D9-B2FD-000A956F605C@fuse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7E55C1C2-85D8-11D9-B2FD-000A956F605C@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since the "From" address is not consistent, your best bet is to set up a couple filters: one that looks for "loopers-delight" in the "To:" field and another that looks for "loopers-delight" in the "CC:" field. The comparison should be "contains" unless you choose to search for the entire "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" string. This is what I did when I used Eudora and Netscape Communicator. I know Mozilla Thunderbird has the functionality necessary, too. I use similar functionality to label all LD posts in Gmail, too. Hope that helps. Cheers, Jon Southwood On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:21:26 -0500, monk wrote: > sorry, but can anyone share a foolproof way to filter your > loopers-delight email to a folder. i've tried everything i can imagine > and it still winds up in my regular mail. i may just have to > unsuscribe. > > thanks > > monk@fuse.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 15:48:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NKkaH26083; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:46:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:46:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050223204516.17009.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:45:16 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: software looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8ToKI.A.SQG.itOHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Depending on the browser you're using, you might try option-clicking on the link (hold the option key and click the link). That should force it to download instead of display the file. If not, try holding Ctrl and clicking it, and telling it to download the file. Mike --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/23/05 10:45:14 AM, > feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: > > > > http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ > > > > when i try to download this all i get is a large > page with all kind of > weirdness, strange letters and symbols.....what am i > doing wrong? > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 17:42:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NMetw22753; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:40:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:40:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421D05CD.3050302@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:38:05 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: filter question References: <7E55C1C2-85D8-11D9-B2FD-000A956F605C@fuse.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Outlook absolutely sucks in this regard. I had a zillion filters set up, and sometimes they would simply be *ignored*... voila, inbox mayhem. I'm back on thunderbird now, couldn't be happier, it works without a single glitch. Andreas Jon Southwood wrote: >Since the "From" address is not consistent, your best bet is to set up >a couple filters: one that looks for "loopers-delight" in the "To:" >field and another that looks for "loopers-delight" in the "CC:" field. >The comparison should be "contains" unless you choose to search for >the entire "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" string. This is what >I did when I used Eudora and Netscape Communicator. I know Mozilla >Thunderbird has the functionality necessary, too. I use similar >functionality to label all LD posts in Gmail, too. > >Hope that helps. > >Cheers, >Jon Southwood > > >On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:21:26 -0500, monk wrote: > > >>sorry, but can anyone share a foolproof way to filter your >>loopers-delight email to a folder. i've tried everything i can imagine >>and it still winds up in my regular mail. i may just have to >>unsuscribe. >> >>thanks >> >>monk@fuse.net >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 17:49:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NMn0c25272; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:49:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:49:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=fCzERlXmUuspnNGCP2U9/Iw3hCy66/K2tuosU7ysPXSR+cWsCwxeqd2QtKKDUK7S5g6nYB9nD3h1iJbTzD/1HOV48JZVYPgMBHDZ1dTmLwvR7pvl7fdV7ml9oZimwS5/zApErrxHMZyRXkWssEXn2fKGnNKKKmy6NhG+jfvkvUs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:47:54 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: filter question In-Reply-To: <421D05CD.3050302@post.cybercity.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7E55C1C2-85D8-11D9-B2FD-000A956F605C@fuse.net> <421D05CD.3050302@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Three words too many in that statement. On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:38:05 +0100, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Outlook absolutely sucks in this regard. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 18:18:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NNGO402842; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:16:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:16:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: "Loopers" Subject: documentary "Touch the Sound" by Thomas Riedelsheimer Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:17:45 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <_-I2HB.A.jl.t5QHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please go and watch the documentary "Touch the Sound" (2004) by Thomas Riedelsheimer about an incredible musician. The less pre-informed you go, the greater your surprise will be. Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 18:59:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1NNwZV12786; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:58:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:58:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014d01c51a03$6ce1f960$1603fea9@itomusica> From: "ito" To: "monk" Cc: References: <7E55C1C2-85D8-11D9-B2FD-000A956F605C@fuse.net> Subject: Re: filter question Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:52:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0148_01C51A0B.1025EAD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C51A0B.1025EAD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When you change to the daily digest of mails from loopers-delight, the = sending address is constantly = Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com which makes it easy to set = a filter - even in Outlook. 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------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C51A0B.1025EAD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 19:42:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1O0f1k27872; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:41:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:41:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:46:51 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows To: Message-id: <001201c51a0a$55034540$5cfda344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200502231228.j1NCSeb20343@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050223132659.02b48070@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <7_2RtC.A.NuG.wJSHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy - Perhaps so. The particular challenges of performing ambient music arise from characteristics that might be said to define ambient music. The irony of an audience paying attention to something ambient creates the tension for me. Certainly, all the ideas to end ambient loops that people have mentioned are valid and work. I've used many of them. The idea of decreasing the size of the "loop window" sounds cool - though I've done something somewhat similar Revers-ing and Inversing a loop so the loop covers less and less "ground" while at the same time fading out (I hop that makes sense!). Generally, my experience of ambient performances have shown me it's far easier to begin something than to end it. So true in life, too. But, I think others will agree that knowing in advance how we intend to end a loop will directly effect the way we will begin a piece and how we will construct a loop/loops. So, by asking how you guys end ambient loops, perhaps I'm kind of also asking about how you begin them. Anyway, it's been great fun reading what people do. Larry might complain I'm not talking about music, but I've learned things that can improve my performances. :-) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > > > >Still, I was hoping for something new. > > > >David > > I bet if you asked the question again without specifying "ambient" there'd > be a lot of suggestions. > > Once or twice I used a special Vortex patch to post process the loop. > At the press of a button the loop would be faded down and simultaneously > fed to a short echo and plenty of processing. Sort of ending with an explosion. > :-( don't suppose that's very ambient though. > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 20:54:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1O1rvK18115; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:53:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:53:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rYc2EckHF3mcW/ADDAA+yIyp3lxLEjSFKFJY7yl+HoXnWh8Q/2bJEhcWlTVxlYG8Aw8p+BouSn9vEyvBr18zXYjSYEnXFNQx434W/QYhNuMKOyHaEMGOCgJbBdcbLEv8SULorxXEoMuEQik6VSZ2saN6RdSrvtvDCOc/Ni5LZ/E= ; Message-ID: <20050224014612.64523.qmail@web53701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:46:12 -0800 (PST) From: Monica Subject: Snakehandlers' Blues... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1566002525-1109209572=:64288" Resent-Message-ID: <3M_pyD.A.-TE.6NTHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1566002525-1109209572=:64288 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey... Check out this online report re: Appalachian charismatic spiritualist snakehandling. Strange indeed but listen to the story until the end because at the end you will hear some primative yet provocative down home reptilian blues guitar. Gotta listen carefully but what you can catch is cool. Cheers, Monica http://www.soundportraits.org/on-air/they_shall_take_up_serpents/transcript.php3 You must hit this link in one line to find the site - if you can't then enter directly into your browser. Well worth the price of admission... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. --0-1566002525-1109209572=:64288 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hey...
     Check out this online report re: Appalachian charismatic spiritualist snakehandling. Strange indeed but listen to the story until the end because
at the end you will hear some primative yet provocative down home reptilian
blues guitar. Gotta listen carefully but what you can catch is cool.
Cheers,
Monica
 
 
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So do we. --0-1566002525-1109209572=:64288-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 21:55:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1O2rMO31869; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:53:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:53:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Power of the Eventide Eclipse / Virtual Guitar Racks/Systems Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:52:16 -0700 Message-ID: <009201c51a1b$d9efd5a0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <92478E0F-8608-11D9-A7F7-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 92, in=183, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <0J6dSD.A.QwH.qFUHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "btw, I'm sorry this whole exchange didn't get posted, so we could get other input; I fell for that "reply to Krispen, send to Krispen" bug!" [I'm posting this exchange between David and I for reference, because of the computer-based guitar system discussion] Well, I guess I'll stay put and see what virtual guitar rack/systems come out for computers, something like Guitar Rig, except better....imagine an Eclipse, H6000, PMC-91, PMC-81, and TC Electronix Fireworx all in a virtual, computer based guitar system. I could do without all the vintage effects in the Guitar Rig system. I'd rather see new effect simulations. I mean, look a this: http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?components_us Look at all that old-looking stuff in there....wouldn't it be great if all those were replaced with newer units? It's seems ironic that they would pack a totally modern, computer-based system with a bunch of archaic pedal craaa...I mean, gear. :) I'd like to see a system that isn't dripping with propietary look and feel, like the green tube screamer module, or the red distortion module, etc. How about just a Delay Module? And inside that, tons of parameters and flexibility, etc. Kris -----Original Message----- From: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:06 PM To: info@krispenhartung.com Subject: Re: Power of the Eventide Eclipse Your predicament sounds almost inescapable to me, I'm afraid. There's something cool I wish I could still duplicate from almost every piece of gear I've ever owned and sold...which is why I've got so much unused gear still lying around! I don't know the Akira, but no matter how many new bells and whistles Boss ever adds to their GT-whatevers, they'll never be Vortex's, etc., etc.... What we need is a two-device rack: one device for infinite sonic mangling/voice re-design, and another for ambience/looping... The problem is the first one! Nothing's all-purpose enough yet. The Eclipse or the KSP8 would be a great choice for unit 2, but so would dozens of other cheaper alternatives. I do think the ultimate solution is in the computer...or at least in hardware devices that take advantage of plug-in logic, so they can be easily updated, or even completely reconfigured, without becoming obsolete, and can draw on a wide range of developers. My work is all done in my studio, so I don't need to worry much about portability, but I'm very tempted to dump everything except maybe some outboard reverbs and preamp/amp sims (and of course the VG-8) in favor of a dedicated processing PC (even as a Mac devotee, I must admit that the most innovative stuff is coming out for the PC these days; or maybe it's just the sheer volume of stuff that's PC-only). The Plugzilla, Receptor and the Soundart Chameleon--even the OpenLabs stuff--are all stepping in the right direction but don't seem clearly there yet (the first 2 still aren't plug-and-play with any and all VST plugins, for example)...and the Eventide VSig thing is just too bloody expensive (that's the idea of patching your Orville or H8000 or DSP7500 into a PC and using their proprietary software to visually patch objects into new algorithms) and even that is by no means user-friendly, as far as I can tell. I actually bought a Kyma system a few years back, and hated it; terrible FX-processing presets, for my ears, anyway, and required WAY too much DSP and programming smarts to be a useful processor; i didn't want to learn a whole new language, just plug in and tweak out! I LOVE Reaktor as a signal processor, but on my Macs, it is too glitchy compared to hardware to take out or even record with very happily. Even if the glitches (drop outs, static bursts, overloading...latency's not a problem, tho) are few and far between, they are completely inevitable, at least in my experience. Per Boysen's the one to watch for all of this laptop as processor stuff...it's coming! btw, I'm sorry this whole exchange didn't get posted, so we could get other input; I fell for that "reply to Krispen, send to Krispen" bug! ...interested in what you come up with! dc On Feb 23, 2005, at 4:15 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Well, I guess I'm looking to do one thing: Streamline/simplify, yet > maintain my diversity of tone mangling sounds, backed by good reverb, > chorus, and delay. In short, I'd like to get the sounds I have now, > or at least most of them with a 1/4th of the gear. Basically, how I > got myself into this predicament is simple. I find an effect unit that > does one thing well, such as my Boss SX-700 for chorus and delay. > That's all I use that for. Then I find another unit that has great > reverb, like the Lexicon LXP1...great unit. Then I find another that > really mangles sounds, like the Vortex, VF1, Akira. The rack keeps > getting bigger. I'd like to find a few units, two at most, that can do > all of this. I figured the Eclipse and the Lexicon PCM81 might be a > good combo, but bloody expensive!!! > > I like your comments below. The Eclipse probably isn't for me. > Honestly, > I am quite pleased with the quality of the units I have now. It's just > the space. As you say, I primarily use the same chorus, delay, reverb > all of the time to generate my ambience...then I cycle between the > units > for other effects, synth tones, pads, etc. Some of them are in series, > others in parallel via the aux sends...no complaints here. > > Your comment about the PC intrigues me. Can I really create a dream > system with my laptop? Please tell more....what about issues with > latency, etc. > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:06 PM > To: info@krispenhartung.com > Subject: Re: Power of the Eventide Eclipse > > > Short answer: Keep your ____ (insert ONE favorite from your current > list [I'd choose something with COSM, personally]), and send it thru > an Eclipse. > > Over-long, rambling answer: > Kris, where are you going with your FX, anyway? Are you looking > primarily for new sounds, or better versions of familiar sounds? Do > you ever use all of your current boxes at once, or do you mostly cycle > between them? Are you using a mixer and doing lots of parallel FX > processing, and love it, even tho you're always running out of FX > sends and returns? Do you take any advantage of the COSM > amp/distortions in your Boss gear? Do you tend to push your existing > gear to the limits of it's unique capabilities (like morphing with the > Vortex, or slow-gear or pitched ring-modulation or acoustic simulation > on your VF-1, etc....)? Are you constantly rearranging FX order in the > Boss multiFX? Do you enjoying mucking around with endless options > until you stumble onto something unique, carefully save all > settings...and then never go back to them because new possibilities > are more seductive than old ones...or are you looking for ultimate > plug-and-play/set-and-forget configurations? > > I'd say that if you tend more towards complexity and are always > looking for twisted new sounds to run into your favorite ambience FX, > you'd quite soon feel stunted with JUST an Eclipse (once you get past > the god-it's-gorgeous! honeymoon days). You DO need to have one, of > course, at least for a while....but selling everything to get one will > only work in the short term. > > IF, however, you are already getting the basic tones you need without > your mentioned FX and mostly want something that's a super-Hi-Fi > enhancements to these, an Eclipse will be a lovely and long-term > friend, especially if it's the quality of the boxes you currently have > that's making you feel like ditching them. I certainly love mine, but > have never found it to be an "It-does-EVERYTHING!" wonder-box; it's > the bottom of the line Eventide, after all, designed to be the least > expensive route to classic Eventide sounds and audio quality. To get > "no algorithm restrictions" power from an Eventide, you need to hunker > down with a VSig-capable one, like the DSP4000 at least, and a good > PC. > > Study the Eclipse preset and algorithm guides online, remembering that > you can combine ANY 2 of the first 100 presets...so, for instance, > once you find a basic "chorus, delay, reverb" algo to put in slot 2, > you can still use any other algo in slot 1. You won't find the same > variety of tone-altering options you already have in a single Eclipse > algo, but you WILL find many sounds in there you can't currently > match, esp. in the pitch-shifting and filtered-delay realms. Most of > the weird and deliciously disposable noises you can easily coax out of > lesser-quality but more multi-featured and more accessible toys like > the Bosses you already have, are pretty much not in the Eclipse, in my > experience...but lots of other stuff is. Also, I've never heard an > Eventide guitar distortion I've liked at all...but YMMV. dc > > > > > > On Feb 23, 2005, at 9:26 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> If I were to sell all of my rack effects tomorrow (Boss VF-1, Akira, >> Vortex, Boss SX-700, Boss GT-3, Lexicon LXP1 and LXP5, would the >> Eclipse keep me interested and diversified enough? Would I be able to >> have chorus, delay, and great reverb, plus cool tone altering effects >> all at the same time? With no algorithm restrictions, etc. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 23 23:23:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1O4N6D28262; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:23:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:23:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=CPsECoL6rIksK5cc2bUuhgerYI1cLAO0bplowHEpAkDu7iqLhc6+2eRxIHsp2L2M4PKRfhX4f6J1keauM01uo/DF3/hm7/hTTuW+f8/TLsgNzNwt9WCvdg258+xYSgc7fQEMKY/ve3Ldr/ap7ql9tiJY5JF9YK7lFHObNQ6blrQ= ; Message-ID: <20050224042218.73999.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:22:18 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Lexicon 1300s digital delay synchronizer??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is it? Since it says "delay" I thought you guys might know. Like a true gear junky, I buy stuff before I know what it does, and it's cheap $$. I just picked it up along with a Lexicon 2400 time compressor/expander. Things I do know: * The 2400 is used in film to correct dialog that's too long or too short....kind of a time/pitch correcter..(me thinks). *The 1300s (s= serial controllable) might be used for lip sync correction for broadcasts. * It's digital. *There's no manual on Lex's web site. any idears? =reLOOPOOLer= <<<>>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 00:46:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1O5ion18132; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:44:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:44:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421D212B.8060600@toadmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:34:51 +0000 From: Todd Pafford User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: filter question References: <7E55C1C2-85D8-11D9-B2FD-000A956F605C@fuse.net> In-Reply-To: <7E55C1C2-85D8-11D9-B2FD-000A956F605C@fuse.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not using Outlook (thank heavens), but the sure fire way to filter Loopers' Delight email is to use the "X-Loop" header. If "X-Loop" contains "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com", send it to your LD folder. Will Outlook allow you to write filters on any header information? Or are you stuck with "Sender", "Subject", etc.? monk wrote: > sorry, but can anyone share a foolproof way to filter your > loopers-delight email to a folder. i've tried everything i can > imagine and it still winds up in my regular mail. i may just have > to unsuscribe. > > thanks > > monk@fuse.net > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 04:29:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1O9RqZ30673; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 04:27:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 04:27:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <009201c51a1b$d9efd5a0$6601a8c0@khartung> References: <009201c51a1b$d9efd5a0$6601a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <400DD98D-8646-11D9-85DE-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Power of the Eventide Eclipse / Virtual Guitar Racks/Systems Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 03:27:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <1jODY.A.kbH.y3ZHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 23, 2005, at 8:52 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Look at all that old-looking stuff in there....wouldn't it be great if > all those were replaced with newer units? It's seems ironic that they dude you're missing the point. the whole awesome deal with a computer is that you can feebly replicate hardware with limited functionality and mediocre sound and then put it all behind a picture of the unit you didn't pay any attention to in the development process. pictures of Moog modulars come into mind when i think about this scenario. by all means don't do something which draws inspiration from a collector's piece of hardware and then puts a whole new spin on it. then you might have a useful and original product with an interface which is designed to be interacted with on a computer. and make sure you use rotary controls instead of sliders. people love being forced to move the mouse in an unfriendly circular direction. also, don't allow them to input a fundamentally numeric value using the keyboard. they might actually find that useful. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 09:42:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1OEdC129302; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:39:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:39:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c51a7e$7370f030$d548fea9@sTRANGEpOD> Reply-To: "Patrick Grant" From: "Patrick Grant" To: Subject: Gig Spam NYC: sTRANGe LOOPS by Patrick Grant etc. Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:37:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 64.12.118.20 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everybody, I just wanted to let you know about an event in which I'll be performing and providing connective loops throughout the evening. Hope you can make it if you're in town. - PG =========================== sTRANGe LOOPS by Patrick GRANT "Breaking Butterflies upon the Wheel" Saturday, February 26th beginning at 8:00 PM It's just a part of THE BENEFIT FOR MICHAEL SHENKER & FLY at CLAYTON'S OUTLAW ART GALLERY 161 Essex Street (at Rivington) New York City with music by DJ LIQUID TODD DJ CHROME DJ GRINGO LOCO and performance by THE KILLER BANSHEES free pizza from TWO BOOTS $10 at door more iNFO at http://www.sTRANGEmUSIC.com Who are Michael Shenker & Fly? http://www.strangemusic.com/Mike_and_Fly.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 12:20:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1OHHCr04536; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:17:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:17:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: OT--Harmonizing Guitar using the Lexicon MPX-G2 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:15:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUalFK5dhgXkuoAQM63uuJr6yDYzg== Message-Id: <20050224171516.SQBZ1282.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang-- I know a couple of you use the G2 so I thought I would cross post--here's what I sent the G2 list. >From: Gary Lehmann >I am enjoying programming the G2--finally! >Now, a question--I want to use MIDI data to harmonize a guitar signal. >Is there any way to control the harmonizing effect from a MIDI data stream? >Gary What are you trying to do exactly ? You can control almost any parameter with Midi Control Changes, including the shifting. I have one program that behaves like a whammy with a 5th limit. My pedal sends a CC, with values from 0 to 127, and it is 'patched' to +0 to +700 (I think). I don't have the unit near me, so I don't know exactly the parameters and the names. Is it this kind of harmonizing you plan to do ? I can provide you with more details about my preset if you want (when I'll be home). Benoit. --->Then this morning I replied to that reply: Hi--You replied to my question about harmonization using the G2. I use a laptop for a one man band show. I have been using Digitech harmonizers for vocal harmony. That's the kind of thing I want to do with the G2--send it a stream of MIDI data, either CC or note on info, and have it harmonize the guitar. I have done this in the past with Roland guitar effectors, most recently with the GT-3, so I have a couple of songs that have the data programmed--and I can edit this info to match what the G2 will use. Thanks! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 12:44:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1OHgmN09640; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:42:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:42:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4997560.1109266909861.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:41:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT--Harmonizing Guitar using the Lexicon MPX-G2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know Benoit. He is for real... a good man. ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann Sent: Feb 24, 2005 12:15 PM To: 'Looper's Delight' Subject: OT--Harmonizing Guitar using the Lexicon MPX-G2 Hi gang-- I know a couple of you use the G2 so I thought I would cross post--here's what I sent the G2 list. >From: Gary Lehmann >I am enjoying programming the G2--finally! >Now, a question--I want to use MIDI data to harmonize a guitar signal. >Is there any way to control the harmonizing effect from a MIDI data stream? >Gary What are you trying to do exactly ? You can control almost any parameter with Midi Control Changes, including the shifting. I have one program that behaves like a whammy with a 5th limit. My pedal sends a CC, with values from 0 to 127, and it is 'patched' to +0 to +700 (I think). I don't have the unit near me, so I don't know exactly the parameters and the names. Is it this kind of harmonizing you plan to do ? I can provide you with more details about my preset if you want (when I'll be home). Benoit. --->Then this morning I replied to that reply: Hi--You replied to my question about harmonization using the G2. I use a laptop for a one man band show. I have been using Digitech harmonizers for vocal harmony. That's the kind of thing I want to do with the G2--send it a stream of MIDI data, either CC or note on info, and have it harmonize the guitar. I have done this in the past with Roland guitar effectors, most recently with the GT-3, so I have a couple of songs that have the data programmed--and I can edit this info to match what the G2 will use. Thanks! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 14:03:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1OJ0Nv29567; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:00:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:00:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=45Kx+vvyqoC9+auPJs9Gl47wwYwC30X0JH72XRuTxyfJ0D0aq82v5rivttzwHTVUCTY6GBOUswtAsbkLXSvOqxo471Rqw749Jv4mc5svjVgIY3JD7sxqkihiJyH1Yw32sI/baD0LpRjEWG4zSAyogZjlAh/8y+m239jaU59NXdc= ; Message-ID: <20050224185834.81363.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:58:33 -0800 (PST) From: Loren Ludwig Subject: max sync to repeater question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1494652728-1109271513=:81079" Resent-Message-ID: <5ZbgQB.A.cwG.fPiHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1494652728-1109271513=:81079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm trying to sync my repeater to a max/msp patch. I can't seem to figure out how to send and receive midi clock data between max and my repeater (I'm new to max and midi in general). One reason that I want to do this is so that I can create a click track that is separate from the outs on my repeater. I figure I can make a click track in max that I can monitor in headphones while the repeater is slaved to it. Suggestions would be useful. Thanks. -Loren --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --0-1494652728-1109271513=:81079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I'm trying to sync my repeater to a max/msp patch.  I can't seem to figure out how to send and receive midi clock data between max and my repeater (I'm new to max and midi in general).  One reason that I want to do this is so that I can create a click track that is separate from the outs on my repeater.  I figure I can make a click track in max that I can monitor in headphones while the repeater is slaved to it.  Suggestions would be useful.  Thanks.
 
-Loren

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Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --0-1494652728-1109271513=:81079-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 17:44:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1OMgJS22847; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:42:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:42:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=j9EvkGv1xfe7AHo7afgQvWQljqE7vXxIGwGX4M094sYXpQcUwrDUBTU9HeTrKSCshAA8C3iPWvlrZ9kwSEO432787vXKP2/oKLseVwy/Fkk+pF8ntLDbEF9de5Pdrx5OSHKuFEqJXaT7kfgJVIoZJgDk+K+6I7als4zjJwbm7vI= ; Message-ID: <20050224224036.47727.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:40:36 -0800 (PST) From: "flatrice@yahoo.com" Subject: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050224185834.81363.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Peak at new Repeater MK2 & OS upgrades Greetings Loopers Delight members, We met Kim Flint in Anaheim at the NAMM show and he encouraged us (Electrix) to participate in the discussions here. That said, we'd thought we'd pass along some preliminary info on the new Repeater MK2 feature set. Please keep in mind that this is a partial list (more info will be released over the coming weeks/months). With the new Repeater MK2, some of the enhancements you can expect are: o Independent track looping control (can act like a sampler as well). o Initial Record direct into overdub. o Loop length pre-programming. o Completely overhauled MIDI implementation that will give you greater control over more features. o Persistent settings on power down/power up. The unit now remembers your setup. o Sticky settings (stereo link, pan, pitch, metronome) optionally imported to new loops on creation. o Utilities menu for controlling system operation from the front panel, including MIDI channel. Issues fixed from System 1.10 o Vastly improved MIDI clock quality. o Positive indication of muted channels. As mentioned above, there are additional features not listed that will be part of the new Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0. We have compiled the list of mods from numerous user requests. Please keep in mind that our plans for the new product and OS are baked and any other suggestions will have to wait for the next OS. Many existing Repeater users want to know if they will be able to upgrade to the new OS. While it is our goal to offer an upgrade path (for a small fee), there may be some hardware changes required as it is likely that Repeater MK2 will have significantly larger on-board memory. We will keep you posted on this as information is available. Second question on everyone's mind is "when and where can I get one"? We expect them to be available in May/June at select retailers. However, we caution that there will be limited availability and if you want one, you should visit your local retailer sooner than later and place a special order to secure your position. Lastly, people are asking "how much?”. US Retail price is $749. Hope this answers some open questions and we'll keep you posted on new developments as info becomes available. If you're interested in staying in the loop (no pun intended) for additional Electrix info, we'd encourage you to join our email list located on our home page @ www.electrixpro.com. Thanks, Electrix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 18:08:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ON6ox32305; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:06:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:06:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c51ac5$6354f9c0$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001201c51a0a$55034540$5cfda344@hppav> Subject: Re: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:01:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Certainly, all the ideas to end ambient loops that people have mentioned > are > valid and work. I've used many of them. How about recording the entire thing as a loop and play it back in reverse when you get to the end... that'd make the RC20 come in handy with 16 min of sample time. ;) I just ordered one of those, we'll see how it goes. All the discussion about the DD20 almost makes me wish I'd gotten that instead. Ah well, might have to just get both. Gear lust never ends. Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 18:12:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ONBE301150; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:11:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:11:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE:Sneak Peek at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:10:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050224224036.47727.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcUawj7Uin+CsSFTQLqbL7gTcik09gAA5StQ Message-Id: <20050224231009.YXBL2123.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No mention of latency or mute dry signal--but this is good news! Gary (Rabid EDP user) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 18:14:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ONCmD01675; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:12:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:12:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:11:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <005101c51ac5$6354f9c0$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> Thread-Index: AcUaxaKs+HYmwvkpSWa9vQLRFXyNBwAAG/ug Message-Id: <20050224231153.EOMU1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <6aTfu.A.dX.F9lHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another swell thing to end ambient pieces is to send the signal into a heavily reverberated patch-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 18:24:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ONLp804004; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:21:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:21:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:21:28 +0100 (CET) From: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz X-X-Sender: bwagner@palpatine.perspectix.ch To: "flatrice@yahoo.com" cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 In-Reply-To: <20050224224036.47727.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you aware of the list repeater users have been collating: http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/repeater-users/kwiki.cgi?RepeaterOSWishList Bernhard On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, flatrice@yahoo.com wrote: > Peak at new Repeater MK2 & OS upgrades > > Greetings Loopers Delight members, > > We met Kim Flint in Anaheim at the NAMM show and he > encouraged us (Electrix) to participate in the > discussions here. That said, we'd thought we'd pass > along some preliminary info on the new Repeater MK2 > feature set. Please keep in mind that this is a > partial list (more info will be released over the > coming weeks/months). > > With the new Repeater MK2, some of the enhancements > you can expect are: > > o Independent track looping control (can act like a > sampler as well). > o Initial Record direct into overdub. > o Loop length pre-programming. > o Completely overhauled MIDI implementation that > will give you greater control over more features. > o Persistent settings on power down/power up. The > unit now remembers your setup. > o Sticky settings (stereo link, pan, pitch, > metronome) optionally imported to new loops on > creation. > o Utilities menu for controlling system operation > from the front panel, including MIDI channel. > > Issues fixed from System 1.10 > > o Vastly improved MIDI clock quality. > o Positive indication of muted channels. > > As mentioned above, there are additional features not > listed that will be part of the new Repeater MK2 and > OS 2.0. We have compiled the list of mods from > numerous user requests. Please keep in mind that our > plans for the new product and OS are baked and any > other suggestions will have to wait for the next OS. > > Many existing Repeater users want to know if they will > be able to upgrade to the new OS. While it is our goal > to offer an upgrade path (for a small fee), there may > be some hardware changes required as it is likely that > Repeater MK2 will have significantly larger on-board > memory. We will keep you posted on this as information > is available. > > Second question on everyone's mind is "when and where > can I get one"? We expect them to be available in > May/June at select retailers. However, we caution that > there will be limited availability and if you want > one, you should visit your local retailer sooner than > later and place a special order to secure your > position. > > Lastly, people are asking "how much?”. US Retail price > is $749. > > Hope this answers some open questions and we'll keep > you posted on new developments as info becomes > available. If you're interested in staying in the loop > (no pun intended) for additional Electrix info, we'd > encourage you to join our email list located on our > home page @ www.electrixpro.com. > > Thanks, > Electrix > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 18:35:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1ONYWS07122; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:34:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:34:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c51ac9$435b4210$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Rick Walker's PURPLE HAND CD release party Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:33:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang, If anyone is in the Northern California region this coming weekend, I will be releasing my brand new project PURPLE HAND in a free to the public CD release party replete with lots of black lights. It will be in Santa Cruz, California at a beautiful new venue called the ATTIC which is on the Pacific Garden Mall a half block south of the Cataylst and Union Grove Music directly above the bar called the Blue Lagoon. The show will be this Sunday, February 27th at 8 p.m. and I will be doing a set I'm very excited about doing with our newest transplanted east coast looper, bassist Dan Soltzberg (Ghost7). I'm going to be trotting out this really cool drumset that I've been working on that represents attempts to sound electronic with totally acoustic sources. Dan and I will play an improvisational drums with bass set (exciting because we have never played together before), have a little chat and greet and then I will be playing the entire PURPLE HAND CD from top to bottom on a beautiful, state of the art Mackier Subwoofed Speaker System (lent to me graciously by Mike Dicker for the occasion). I'll then sell and sign CDs to end the evening, when we'll all go downstairs to the Blue Lagoon to dance the evening away. *************** PURPLE HAND is a loop based project that I've been composing for the last two years. It is NOT a live looping record but was done entirely on a computer. I decided that since the music's were so different in both of these endeavors that I would continue my L()()p.p()()L moniker for live playing/live recording and start a new moniker, Purple Hand, for my abstract electronica. Purple Hand has more groove on it than previous CDs I"ve released but it also has some experiemental tinges in it's downtempo take on things. It is also available through the mail by sending a $15 check to: Rick Walker Purple Hand 412 Darwin Street Santa Cruz, California 95062-2629 For the next month, anyone who mentions Loopers Delight can not only buy the CD for $12, but I will also donate $5 of those dollars to Kim Flint, our illustrious leader here at L.D. This also goes for any CD in the L()()p.p()()L discography: Loop.pooL (2001) Translucent Dayglo Lime Green Plastic (2002) Faux Voix (2003) Purple Hand (2005) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 19:45:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1P0hwO23252; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:43:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:43:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050225004202.80569.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:42:02 -0800 (PST) From: Ross Cessna Subject: sp 808 problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-305017108-1109292122=:80137" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-305017108-1109292122=:80137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I recently bought a Roland Sp 808 and the zip disk will not read any disks. Is this a common problem and what ways can I fix it. I have tried to install a new zip drive but it still will not read any of the disks that I use. If anyone could help me i would appreciate it. Thanks, Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. --0-305017108-1109292122=:80137 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi, I recently bought a Roland Sp 808 and the zip disk will not read any disks.  Is this a common problem and what ways can I fix it.  I have tried to install a new zip drive but it still will not read any of the disks that I use.  If anyone could help me i would appreciate it.  Thanks, Ross

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Learn more. --0-305017108-1109292122=:80137-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 19:50:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1P0mlm24575; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:48:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:48:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=aXLLtYI8bISm1oI2pecCMoCCrisRZe4UwL5Xu+N4lyHaTpLnWlFMa/+RZoGp+rL2GaW8dO7/vJLtPgbxGnrCoWxMp+MTLylKbwnUVlwjq1jx3ls3WxC2J719a0rlBloUzOio7EMwFWXkih6flem3U7wOkiq9g6/jRoiDneQGUm0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:47:15 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp 808 problems In-Reply-To: <20050225004202.80569.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050225004202.80569.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are these problematic zip disks ones that you were previously using with your now replaced drive? If so, it may be that they're too out of spec in their formatting to be read by an up-to-spec drive. On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:42:02 -0800 (PST), Ross Cessna wrote: > Hi, I recently bought a Roland Sp 808 and the zip disk will not read any > disks. Is this a common problem and what ways can I fix it. I have tried > to install a new zip drive but it still will not read any of the disks that > I use. If anyone could help me i would appreciate it. Thanks, Ross > > ________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 20:02:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1P0xxP28165; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:59:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:59:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050224224036.47727.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050224224036.47727.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <72E90642-86C8-11D9-A9BE-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:59:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <1mjoCB.A.G2G.hhnHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 24, 2005, at 4:40 PM, flatrice@yahoo.com wrote: > o Independent track looping control (can act like a > sampler as well). please explain this. are you saying independent control of track length (ie: tracks 1&2 5 bars, tracks 3&4 7 bars)? > o Initial Record direct into overdub. > o Loop length pre-programming. fantastic. > o Vastly improved MIDI clock quality. cool. i always had to record an empty loop and then restart the computer's transport when i syncronised it from Numerology or an ER-1. > to offer an upgrade path (for a small fee), there may > be some hardware changes required as it is likely that > Repeater MK2 will have significantly larger on-board > memory. ok dude. i'm sold if "significantly" means "an order of magnitude greater than the original" ... (like 256 mb) and the whole crossfade issue is fixed. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 20:43:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1P1fsZ04954; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:41:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:41:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=tX9Do1G72SjSuLX0XZdclSbe+EOZFK/IurH5XQELxxwHcaTGJnUYxXrvylGsk4N7AZYRCvDnfUOKermboXehDHr3ni0Bmq5pz8NPwT6Yd9L6de2WT0drUKGrYdotWJlAX1iD6sqlXBHiA03lOLMYgJdUncgBsXSWHWAarm9cMso= ; Message-ID: <20050225013421.67933.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:34:21 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Rick Walker's PURPLE HAND CD release party To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002901c51ac9$435b4210$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick ma man congratulations i wish i could join you brother but ill have a couple of beers here in Deutschland and prost to you! best wishes Luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Hi Gang, > > If anyone is in the Northern California region this > coming weekend, > I will be releasing my brand new project PURPLE HAND > in a > free to the public CD release party replete with > lots of black lights. > > It will be in Santa Cruz, California at a beautiful > new venue called the > ATTIC > which is on the Pacific Garden Mall a half block > south of the Cataylst and > Union > Grove Music directly above the bar called the Blue > Lagoon. > > The show will be this Sunday, February 27th at 8 > p.m. and I will be doing a > set I'm very excited about doing > with our newest transplanted east coast looper, > bassist Dan Soltzberg > (Ghost7). > I'm going to be trotting out this really cool > drumset that I've been working > on that > represents attempts to sound electronic with totally > acoustic sources. > > Dan and I will play an improvisational drums with > bass set (exciting > because we have never played together before), > have a little chat and greet and then I will be > playing the entire > PURPLE HAND CD from top to bottom on a beautiful, > state of the art Mackier > Subwoofed Speaker System (lent to me graciously by > Mike Dicker for the > occasion). > > I'll then sell and sign CDs to end the evening, when > we'll all go downstairs > to the Blue Lagoon to dance the evening away. > > *************** > > PURPLE HAND is a loop based project that I've been > composing for the last > two years. > It is NOT a live looping record but was done > entirely on a computer. I > decided that since the music's > were so different in both of these endeavors that I > would continue my > L()()p.p()()L moniker for live > playing/live recording and start a new moniker, > Purple Hand, for my abstract > electronica. > > Purple Hand has more groove on it than previous CDs > I"ve released but it > also has some experiemental tinges > in it's downtempo take on things. > > It is also available through the mail by sending a > $15 check to: > Rick Walker > Purple Hand > 412 Darwin Street > Santa Cruz, California > 95062-2629 > > For the next month, anyone who mentions Loopers > Delight can not only buy the > CD for $12, but I will also donate $5 of those > dollars to > Kim Flint, our illustrious leader here at L.D. > > This also goes for any CD in the L()()p.p()()L > discography: > > Loop.pooL (2001) > Translucent Dayglo Lime Green Plastic (2002) > Faux Voix (2003) > Purple Hand (2005) > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 21:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1P2GOP13549; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:16:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:16:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=XDyHucJsXBMGXRNdElAbpeJJ5+QHAd+YUSOsH/vyDjoO3Pg1q8JtPt7vipEi6aJJ; Message-ID: <410-22005252522348820@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Rick Walker's PURPLE HAND CD release party Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:23:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403c4d844ad2e7eda07e51dce566e23cf1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.169 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, am I on the wrong coast! Sounds like an awesome time, Rick! Go down a storm! Yours in Translucent Green, Tim > [Original Message] > From: loop.pool > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\) > Date: 2/24/2005 6:35:20 PM > Subject: Rick Walker's PURPLE HAND CD release party > > Hi Gang, > > If anyone is in the Northern California region this coming weekend, > I will be releasing my brand new project PURPLE HAND in a > free to the public CD release party replete with lots of black lights. > > It will be in Santa Cruz, California at a beautiful new venue called the > ATTIC > which is on the Pacific Garden Mall a half block south of the Cataylst and > Union > Grove Music directly above the bar called the Blue Lagoon. > > The show will be this Sunday, February 27th at 8 p.m. and I will be doing a > set I'm very excited about doing > with our newest transplanted east coast looper, bassist Dan Soltzberg > (Ghost7). > I'm going to be trotting out this really cool drumset that I've been working > on that > represents attempts to sound electronic with totally acoustic sources. > > Dan and I will play an improvisational drums with bass set (exciting > because we have never played together before), > have a little chat and greet and then I will be playing the entire > PURPLE HAND CD from top to bottom on a beautiful, state of the art Mackier > Subwoofed Speaker System (lent to me graciously by Mike Dicker for the > occasion). > > I'll then sell and sign CDs to end the evening, when we'll all go downstairs > to the Blue Lagoon to dance the evening away. > > *************** > > PURPLE HAND is a loop based project that I've been composing for the last > two years. > It is NOT a live looping record but was done entirely on a computer. I > decided that since the music's > were so different in both of these endeavors that I would continue my > L()()p.p()()L moniker for live > playing/live recording and start a new moniker, Purple Hand, for my abstract > electronica. > > Purple Hand has more groove on it than previous CDs I"ve released but it > also has some experiemental tinges > in it's downtempo take on things. > > It is also available through the mail by sending a $15 check to: > Rick Walker > Purple Hand > 412 Darwin Street > Santa Cruz, California > 95062-2629 > > For the next month, anyone who mentions Loopers Delight can not only buy the > CD for $12, but I will also donate $5 of those dollars to > Kim Flint, our illustrious leader here at L.D. > > This also goes for any CD in the L()()p.p()()L discography: > > Loop.pooL (2001) > Translucent Dayglo Lime Green Plastic (2002) > Faux Voix (2003) > Purple Hand (2005) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 22:02:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1P316b22510; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:01:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:01:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:07:10 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows To: Message-id: <002401c51ae7$195cb200$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001201c51a0a$55034540$5cfda344@hppav> <005101c51ac5$6354f9c0$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There you go! So the beginning will be the ending. Problems solved! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony K" To: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: Re: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > > Certainly, all the ideas to end ambient loops that people have mentioned > > are > > valid and work. I've used many of them. > > How about recording the entire thing as a loop and play it back in reverse > when you get to the end... that'd make the RC20 come in handy with 16 min > of sample time. ;) I just ordered one of those, we'll see how it goes. All > the discussion about the DD20 almost makes me wish I'd gotten that instead. > Ah well, might have to just get both. Gear lust never ends. > > Tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 24 23:48:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1P4kYH07293; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:46:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:46:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:52:23 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: OT - cool website To: Message-id: <002f01c51af5$ccb5bfa0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001201c51a0a$55034540$5cfda344@hppav> <005101c51ac5$6354f9c0$3700a8c0@Exscribe.com> <002401c51ae7$195cb200$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK - not much looping shit here - but still a fun place to poke around http://www.youthofbritain.com/yobsite.swf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 01:51:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1P6oD000388; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 01:50:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 01:50:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:48:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050224224036.47727.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This news makes me HAPPY LIKE A LITTLE GIRL! Bill -----Original Message----- From: flatrice@yahoo.com [mailto:flatrice@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 Peak at new Repeater MK2 & OS upgrades Greetings Loopers Delight members, We met Kim Flint in Anaheim at the NAMM show and he encouraged us (Electrix) to participate in the discussions here. That said, we'd thought we'd pass along some preliminary info on the new Repeater MK2 feature set. Please keep in mind that this is a partial list (more info will be released over the coming weeks/months). With the new Repeater MK2, some of the enhancements you can expect are: o Independent track looping control (can act like a sampler as well). o Initial Record direct into overdub. o Loop length pre-programming. o Completely overhauled MIDI implementation that will give you greater control over more features. o Persistent settings on power down/power up. The unit now remembers your setup. o Sticky settings (stereo link, pan, pitch, metronome) optionally imported to new loops on creation. o Utilities menu for controlling system operation from the front panel, including MIDI channel. Issues fixed from System 1.10 o Vastly improved MIDI clock quality. o Positive indication of muted channels. As mentioned above, there are additional features not listed that will be part of the new Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0. We have compiled the list of mods from numerous user requests. Please keep in mind that our plans for the new product and OS are baked and any other suggestions will have to wait for the next OS. Many existing Repeater users want to know if they will be able to upgrade to the new OS. While it is our goal to offer an upgrade path (for a small fee), there may be some hardware changes required as it is likely that Repeater MK2 will have significantly larger on-board memory. We will keep you posted on this as information is available. Second question on everyone's mind is "when and where can I get one"? We expect them to be available in May/June at select retailers. However, we caution that there will be limited availability and if you want one, you should visit your local retailer sooner than later and place a special order to secure your position. Lastly, people are asking "how much?. US Retail price is $749. Hope this answers some open questions and we'll keep you posted on new developments as info becomes available. If you're interested in staying in the loop (no pun intended) for additional Electrix info, we'd encourage you to join our email list located on our home page @ www.electrixpro.com. Thanks, Electrix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 02:42:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1P7fwF09918; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:41:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:41:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0dbcdc42f7589a15875c0b2c1f4e95d3@zoekeating.com> Cc: From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:41:11 -0800 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1P7fHx09828 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com moi aussi! tra la la la la la la skip frolic On Feb 24, 2005, at 10:48 PM, William Walker wrote: > This news makes me HAPPY LIKE A LITTLE GIRL! > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: flatrice@yahoo.com [mailto:flatrice@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:41 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 > > > Peak at new Repeater MK2 & OS upgrades > > Greetings Loopers Delight members, > > We met Kim Flint in Anaheim at the NAMM show and he > encouraged us (Electrix) to participate in the > discussions here. That said, we'd thought we'd pass > along some preliminary info on the new Repeater MK2 > feature set. Please keep in mind that this is a > partial list (more info will be released over the > coming weeks/months). > > With the new Repeater MK2, some of the enhancements > you can expect are: > > o Independent track looping control (can act like a > sampler as well). > o Initial Record direct into overdub. > o Loop length pre-programming. > o Completely overhauled MIDI implementation that > will give you greater control over more features. > o Persistent settings on power down/power up. The > unit now remembers your setup. > o Sticky settings (stereo link, pan, pitch, > metronome) optionally imported to new loops on > creation. > o Utilities menu for controlling system operation > from the front panel, including MIDI channel. > > Issues fixed from System 1.10 > > o Vastly improved MIDI clock quality. > o Positive indication of muted channels. > > As mentioned above, there are additional features not > listed that will be part of the new Repeater MK2 and > OS 2.0. We have compiled the list of mods from > numerous user requests. Please keep in mind that our > plans for the new product and OS are baked and any > other suggestions will have to wait for the next OS. > > Many existing Repeater users want to know if they will > be able to upgrade to the new OS. While it is our goal > to offer an upgrade path (for a small fee), there may > be some hardware changes required as it is likely that > Repeater MK2 will have significantly larger on-board > memory. We will keep you posted on this as information > is available. > > Second question on everyone's mind is "when and where > can I get one"? We expect them to be available in > May/June at select retailers. However, we caution that > there will be limited availability and if you want > one, you should visit your local retailer sooner than > later and place a special order to secure your > position. > > Lastly, people are asking "how much?. US Retail price > is $749. > > Hope this answers some open questions and we'll keep > you posted on new developments as info becomes > available. If you're interested in staying in the loop > (no pun intended) for additional Electrix info, we'd > encourage you to join our email list located on our > home page @ www.electrixpro.com. > > Thanks, > Electrix > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 04:03:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1P92Sq23653; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:02:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:02:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <002901c51ac9$435b4210$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <002901c51ac9$435b4210$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <01b91a704ea0158daa5b4e73c9868a78@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Rick Walker's PURPLE HAND CD release party Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:01:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 25, 2005, at 0:33, loop.pool wrote: > release party Dammit! I'm on the wrong side of the globe. I'll send my astral body to hang with you ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 04:06:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1P94v524220; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:04:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:04:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 01:01:49 -0800 Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050224231153.EOMU1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Another swell thing to end ambient pieces is to send the signal into a > heavily reverberated patch-- > Gary > > someone mention REVERB? sorry-my eyes glaze over most o' this stuff... 'til i see a word i really know :-) s (and isnt reverb, in the true sense a kind of loop w/ feedback decrease on each ms. repeat?? even if they overlay each other...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 04:20:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1P9JA626338; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:19:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:19:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: "Loopers" Subject: PMC-10 popped up on eBay Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:22:02 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <4997560.1109266909861.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PMC-10 popped up on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7303279439 Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 04:23:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1P9MpE27195; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:22:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:22:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #21424027 Message-ID: <421EEE3A.7010701@gmx.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:22:02 +0100 From: Raphael Vanoli User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another funny thing to end ambient loops is to pitch them down to zero... Like the sound of walkman-batteries running low while you're listening to one of your favourite pieces of music :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 05:40:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PAd6w05366; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:39:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:39:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.116] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <421EEE3A.7010701@gmx.net> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:37:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2005 10:38:00.0928 (UTC) FILETIME=[1410CE00:01C51B26] Resent-Message-ID: <7lvWVC.A.CPB.PAwHCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doesn't anyone ever just stop'em cold? You know the old fashioned 1,2,3,stop. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 05:43:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PAfgN05964; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:41:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:41:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.116] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fwd:Kitundu at Exploratorium Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:40:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2005 10:41:00.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F2251F0:01C51B26] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A NEW UNIVERSE OF SOUND Enjoy the surreal music and instrumentation of Walter Kitundu as he showcases his rare sound. Using turntables and strings, Kitundu creates “phonoharps,” unique musical instruments that are themselves works of art--then brings them to startling life in his performance Re: Sound Music Gallery. Join us Thursday, March 10, at 8 p.m. in the McBean Theater as the evening’s event completes the successful five-month performance series Situation Abnormal: Performances You’ll Never See on Broadway. For reservations, call (415) 561-0308. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 06:37:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PBZZa14592; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:35:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:35:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502251133.j1PBXZx13980@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:33:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20050224224036.47727.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcUawiso6bQHMk6nTxSS4FuD9kpwVQAakNJA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1PBXZx13980 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool News. There are 3 things that have been said repeatedly (I know that's a cheesy one...) on the electrix forums that are very important (on top of the sync and memory improvement) : - Fix the NOISE issue (especially for the jack output and from the headphone output) as the repeater is currently too noisy to work in a studio environment. - Get rid of the clicking at the end of loops when recording on the compact flash cards (annoying when playing ambient music) - Design a software or application that allows you to create and/or get rid of the silence before and after the exported/imported loops: this is ESSENTIAL! Also, it would be great to have the ability to monitor the metronome though the headphones only (essential for Djing for instance). Thanks Mr Weasel -----Original Message----- From: flatrice@yahoo.com [mailto:flatrice@yahoo.com] Sent: jeudi 24 février 2005 22:41 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 Peak at new Repeater MK2 & OS upgrades Greetings Loopers Delight members, We met Kim Flint in Anaheim at the NAMM show and he encouraged us (Electrix) to participate in the discussions here. That said, we'd thought we'd pass along some preliminary info on the new Repeater MK2 feature set. Please keep in mind that this is a partial list (more info will be released over the coming weeks/months). With the new Repeater MK2, some of the enhancements you can expect are: o Independent track looping control (can act like a sampler as well). o Initial Record direct into overdub. o Loop length pre-programming. o Completely overhauled MIDI implementation that will give you greater control over more features. o Persistent settings on power down/power up. The unit now remembers your setup. o Sticky settings (stereo link, pan, pitch, metronome) optionally imported to new loops on creation. o Utilities menu for controlling system operation from the front panel, including MIDI channel. Issues fixed from System 1.10 o Vastly improved MIDI clock quality. o Positive indication of muted channels. As mentioned above, there are additional features not listed that will be part of the new Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0. We have compiled the list of mods from numerous user requests. Please keep in mind that our plans for the new product and OS are baked and any other suggestions will have to wait for the next OS. Many existing Repeater users want to know if they will be able to upgrade to the new OS. While it is our goal to offer an upgrade path (for a small fee), there may be some hardware changes required as it is likely that Repeater MK2 will have significantly larger on-board memory. We will keep you posted on this as information is available. Second question on everyone's mind is "when and where can I get one"? We expect them to be available in May/June at select retailers. However, we caution that there will be limited availability and if you want one, you should visit your local retailer sooner than later and place a special order to secure your position. Lastly, people are asking "how much?. US Retail price is $749. Hope this answers some open questions and we'll keep you posted on new developments as info becomes available. If you're interested in staying in the loop (no pun intended) for additional Electrix info, we'd encourage you to join our email list located on our home page @ www.electrixpro.com. Thanks, Electrix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 08:18:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PDI8200416; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:18:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:18:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9a750ede3ad331a95fb16357d184f20c@mlswebworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:15:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually Philip Glass does. I remember him stating (in something he wrote) that ending a musical piece (for him) should be like turning off a faucet quickly while the water is gushing out. On Feb 25, 2005, at 4:37 AM, samba - wrote: > Doesn't anyone ever just stop'em cold? You know the old fashioned > 1,2,3,stop. > > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 09:15:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PEDi909009; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:13:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:13:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: PMC-10 popped up on eBay Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:16:29 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <421F167A.7060609@neoprimitive.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://nosuch.biz/pmc10/parallel Bernhard > Doesn't look like this one comes with the programmable remote. Is there > some software which will allow you to program a PMC-10 without the > remote? Thanks for posting this. I've been thinking about getting one > of these for a while. > > -J > > > > Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > PMC-10 popped up on eBay > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7303279439 > > > > Bernhard > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 09:18:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PEH7p09657; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:17:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:17:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421F335C.4060609@neoprimitive.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:17:00 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PMC-10 popped up on eBay References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794883883437b9d7872fd935436273fb10350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (From Ebay) You asked: "There is typically a wired remote contol that comes with this unit, which is used to program it. Is that a part of the auction as well as the unit and power supply pictured? -J" HI. I spoke with my brother who is the owner of this unit, and he said that there never was a remote included with this unit. Therefore, the auction is only for the unit and AC adapter. He used this piece in conjunction with the Digitech 2120 artist unit that is also currently for auction. Hope this helps. Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > http://nosuch.biz/pmc10/parallel > > Bernhard > > >>Doesn't look like this one comes with the programmable remote. Is there >>some software which will allow you to program a PMC-10 without the >>remote? Thanks for posting this. I've been thinking about getting one >>of these for a while. >> >>-J >> >> >> >>Bernhard Wagner wrote: >> >>>PMC-10 popped up on eBay >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7303279439 >>> >>>Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 10:42:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PFeUG25607; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:40:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:40:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:38:37 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows To: David Kirkdorffer , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003b01c51b50$585dc0c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002401c51ae7$195cb200$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > How about recording the entire thing as a loop and play it back in reverse > > when you get to the end... If you listen carefully to "The New World" by Robert Fripp (penultimate track on *Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists Live!*) you will hear the backing track do exactly this. RF plays continuously over this in real, forwards time so the forward-to-backward point is disguised, but it's there. And when I saw RF at the Kitchen way back in the day, he ended the first set with a question-and-answer session. He posed and answered the final question: "Can Frippertronics be played backwards? Yes it can." Whereupon he put both Revoxes in reverse and took a break while we listened to 15 minutes of whooshing backwards loopery. dB, coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 11:54:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PGqPV06001; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:52:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:52:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Kitundu at Exploratorium Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:50:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If this is the same guy that played at the last Loopfest Y2K4, he is indeed remarkable, one of the big suprises and highlights of the show. Bill -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 2:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fwd:Kitundu at Exploratorium A NEW UNIVERSE OF SOUND Enjoy the surreal music and instrumentation of Walter Kitundu as he showcases his rare sound. Using turntables and strings, Kitundu creates “phonoharps,” unique musical instruments that are themselves works of art--then brings them to startling life in his performance Re: Sound Music Gallery. Join us Thursday, March 10, at 8 p.m. in the McBean Theater as the evening’s event completes the successful five-month performance series Situation Abnormal: Performances You’ll Never See on Broadway. For reservations, call (415) 561-0308. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 13:02:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PHxlm23754; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:59:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:59:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:05:02 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows To: Message-id: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes. Works just as well as a 3 minute fade. But one just has to choose when to use this approach. ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" To: Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 5:37 AM Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > Doesn't anyone ever just stop'em cold? You know the old fashioned > 1,2,3,stop. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 13:34:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PIVts29611; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:31:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:31:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:30:07 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows References: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> In-Reply-To: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c6937529fad963ee6c3a00ccbd8a1c69350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Put on a sign that says "I love Brian Eno," pull the plug on your rack, and take your .45 and shoot yourself in the head. That will make an impression. -J P.S. It so spoils the humor of such posts to have to disclaim about them, but tone is slippery. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 13:37:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PIYgN30318; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:34:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:34:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gsxMj5OOysGtLsk6sZ3qr+bZ8l2FsHTAROmg9GliWbjt3X8Yka8EMnGRWYBdEFXaL5g/g7Ku9NdfBt9tL4by1Qk056GwHlujMNi33AAJtenXpQlEFKXFvj01LANIdxGc7SKetr+ZePBM7n4eoErAuKTKWL3zJFDCUrViWcmTC7o= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:33:36 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows In-Reply-To: <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> Resent-Message-ID: <1ZhN7.A.EXH.G-2HCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's not an option--by the end of my performances I'm already nailed to the hood of a Volkswagen. On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:30:07 -0500, Jesse Lucas wrote: > Put on a sign that says "I love Brian Eno," pull the plug on your rack, > and take your .45 and shoot yourself in the head. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 13:43:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PIfDN31617; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:41:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:41:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421F7104.2090408@neoprimitive.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:40:04 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows References: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec791c991836b608b73dff4317dbb9853b2b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis Hartnett wrote: > That's not an option--by the end of my performances I'm already nailed > to the hood of a Volkswagen. In that case, I would suggest ingesting broken glass prior to the performance, and hemmoraging from your anus profusely. Make sure the Volkswagen is a light color, so the audience can make out exactly what is going on. -J > On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:30:07 -0500, Jesse Lucas wrote: > >>Put on a sign that says "I love Brian Eno," pull the plug on your rack, >>and take your .45 and shoot yourself in the head. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 13:45:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PIgx632100; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:42:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:42:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.244.98] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Kitundu at Exploratorium Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:40:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2005 18:41:01.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D8951B0:01C51B69] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One and the same, I thought he was brilliant. >f this is the same guy that played at the last Loopfest Y2K4, he is indeed remarkable, one of the big suprises and highlights of the show. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 13:46:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PIiV032437; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:44:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:44:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009501c51b05$8b34b1c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 01:45:07 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Lucas" To: Sent: Friday, 25 February, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > Put on a sign that says "I love Brian Eno," pull the plug on your rack, > and take your .45 and shoot yourself in the head. > > That will make an impression. > > -J Yeah - I've tried that ending a few times and have some advice. Be careful the bullet doesn't deflect off the scull and hit your gear. That's such a drag. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 13:48:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PIjvV00619; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:45:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:45:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hBlt4xHWzxlAMe00t1nhUpExRkJEa8mzIYjHuNnAcF3BnPUAf5p2g2Cdp8PRO5+m7Ubr0NzoqHM7/ofj5eeNNKv63gLd7C5VCQG36BN1OHrbzYL6JXnz26PAqewAyibNab4O6DDp+fkE0tI/Fm9AnbrzQs/xLDzNQhtFot4o+4M= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:45:21 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows In-Reply-To: <421F7104.2090408@neoprimitive.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> <421F7104.2090408@neoprimitive.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-gnV4B.A.x_H.GJ3HCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Look man, this is my art we're talking about. I don't want to be absurd. On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:40:04 -0500, Jesse Lucas wrote: > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > That's not an option--by the end of my performances I'm already nailed > > to the hood of a Volkswagen. > > In that case, I would suggest ingesting broken glass prior to the > performance, and hemmoraging from your anus profusely. Make sure the > Volkswagen is a light color, so the audience can make out exactly what > is going on. > > -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 13:57:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PIupU03075; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:56:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:56:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421F74DF.9080801@neoprimitive.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:56:31 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows References: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> <421F7104.2090408@neoprimitive.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798d0bb9db0957ffbc3004f4011a7082b2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis Hartnett wrote: > Look man, this is my art we're talking about. I don't want to be absurd. What is this "art" thing you speak of? OK. Don't want to be absurd? In that case, just follow the broken glass plan, but replace your tired old Volkswagen with a hot bitch wearing a wet Cthulhu for President 2008 t-shirt. -J > On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:40:04 -0500, Jesse Lucas wrote: >> >>In that case, I would suggest ingesting broken glass prior to the >>performance, and hemmoraging from your anus profusely. Make sure the >>Volkswagen is a light color, so the audience can make out exactly what >>is going on. >> >>-J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 13:59:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PIv8W03223; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:57:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:57:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:02:16 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows In-Reply-To: <009501c51b05$8b34b1c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Message-ID: References: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> <009501c51b05$8b34b1c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <7gQYOD.A.cv.uT3HCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Scott M2 wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jesse Lucas" > To: > Sent: Friday, 25 February, 2005 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > > > > Put on a sign that says "I love Brian Eno," pull the plug on your rack, > > and take your .45 and shoot yourself in the head. > > > > That will make an impression. > > > > -J > > Yeah - I've tried that ending a few times and have some advice. > Be careful the bullet doesn't deflect off the scull and hit your gear. > That's such a drag. Your .45 is deflecting off and hitting your gear probably because you keep forgetting to take off the Kaiser helmet first. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 15:05:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PK3Ml27141; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:03:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:03:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=I766KDdHF8ERetnywTC8MtD7ozl4Czy9WyC3X5xW3uA2B/EavV8hrWySJtcXO2nkfjQbkqatagtYqdBuE7YlAtDRu5HOTZ6/7MGqhbPKcNQSPwnw6SJK6pedoCGnJrwm66zGfjkuDeFYESWrJMbQbjEOR/0cj7zDAaaHDNnIayU= ; Message-ID: <20050225200231.57778.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <421F74DF.9080801@neoprimitive.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My thought was "Since when was art not absurd?" ;) Mike --- Jesse Lucas wrote: > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > Look man, this is my art we're talking about. I > don't want to be absurd. > > What is this "art" thing you speak of? > > OK. Don't want to be absurd? In that case, just > follow the broken > glass plan, but replace your tired old Volkswagen > with a hot bitch > wearing a wet Cthulhu for President 2008 t-shirt. > > -J > > > > On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:40:04 -0500, Jesse Lucas > wrote: > >> > >>In that case, I would suggest ingesting broken > glass prior to the > >>performance, and hemmoraging from your anus > profusely. Make sure the > >>Volkswagen is a light color, so the audience can > make out exactly what > >>is going on. > >> > >>-J > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 15:23:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PKLFm30477; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:21:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:21:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [217.187.1.120] X-Originating-Email: [opbeachguy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: opbeachguy@hotmail.com From: "Chuck Scholtz" To: Cc: Subject: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this looper? 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High-end sound quality not necessarily=20 required
Need a turnkey = unit
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C51B7F.861A6340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 16:41:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PLe8H15551; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:40:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:40:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Ending loops in LIVE shows Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:38:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050225200231.57778.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcUbdUYIAO6obP/DTN+O0FRheWE99gADNX+Q Message-Id: <20050225213902.IJFK2123.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It occurs to me . . . Send loop into reverse gated reverb patch. Steve Lawson does this great move--slaps his bass broadly then reverses the direction of the audio--and then he disappears! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 17:06:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PM3eR20853; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:03:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:03:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <421FA069.9070001@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:02:17 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows References: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> In-Reply-To: <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Argh! Will you people please stop stealing my friggin' stage act! Kaiser-helmet-less regards, Brian Eno ... :-) Jesse Lucas wrote: > Put on a sign that says "I love Brian Eno," pull the plug on your > rack, and take your .45 and shoot yourself in the head. > > That will make an impression. > > -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 17:50:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PMljU27760; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:47:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:47:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:42:46 -0800 To: Travis Hartnett , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:33 AM -0800 2/25/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: >That's not an option--by the end of my performances I'm already nailed >to the hood of a Volkswagen. You mean like Chris Burden's 1974 piece "Transfixed" http://cgi.geuzen.org/swap/archives/2003_11.html#000341 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 17:52:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PMoqx28582; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:50:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:50:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=W39d8xl+LRhRjLLjJhYLQZuHti5N7U7QLoADRo/x91fnorVP0Qs06QT+zSTi4/gsX1eUkHakcN0PVRJEqCeLHoCzv6sz+DxzxL8PwkSofEsjZiTXSqDRoiAEH/C/Rl7EGj7g1RRquGu0iupEXdYNzdeRLAklqapIgN1oqt7VVU0= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:50:16 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He's often credited with the idea, and I don't have to heart to break it to him. Anyway, it's old hat and now I concentrate on building model bridges and towers. On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:42:46 -0800, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 10:33 AM -0800 2/25/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >That's not an option--by the end of my performances I'm already nailed > >to the hood of a Volkswagen. > > You mean like Chris Burden's 1974 piece "Transfixed" > http://cgi.geuzen.org/swap/archives/2003_11.html#000341 > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 17:58:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PMv6X30055; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:57:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:57:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:49:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this looper? Cc: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1102750277==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1102750277==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:18 PM +0100 2/25/05, Chuck Scholtz wrote: >Somebody out there has the knowledge needed to create our >engine/exhaust voice simulator. We are looking for a musician, DJ, >audiophile, programmer, sound engineer, or anyone who has an >interest in today's fast cars or musclecars from the 70's. We don't >want to just change the "pitch," we would prefer to be able to slow >down/speed up stored digital sound samples using real-time >time-stretching correlated to RPM with either a software or >preferably a hardware solution. See our proposed product at >www.musclecarsounds.com to see if >you have an interest in this ground floor design opportunity. Full >credits and profit-sharing. Contact us ASAP using the email contact >address on the website. You might be interested to know that several years ago someone developed such an engine-simultor using physical modeling techniques. I'm pretty sure that their project was based on patented technologies and resulted in licensing deals with game companies. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1102750277==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this l
At 9:18 PM +0100 2/25/05, Chuck Scholtz wrote:
Somebody out there has the knowledge needed to create our engine/exhaust voice simulator.  We are looking for a musician, DJ, audiophile, programmer, sound engineer, or anyone who has an interest in today's fast cars or musclecars from the 70's.  We don't want to just change the "pitch," we would prefer to be able to slow down/speed up stored digital sound samples using real-time time-stretching correlated to RPM with either a software or preferably a hardware solution.  See our proposed product at www.musclecarsounds.com to see if you have an interest in this ground floor design opportunity.  Full credits and profit-sharing.  Contact us ASAP using the email contact address on the website.

You might be interested to know that several years ago someone developed such an engine-simultor using physical modeling techniques. I'm pretty sure that their project was based on patented technologies and resulted in licensing deals with game companies.
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Richard Zvonar, PhD      
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http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com
--============_-1102750277==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 18:17:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PNEHB01617; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:14:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:14:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <196.398c96ff.2f510b18@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:13:28 EST Subject: mac recording question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_196.398c96ff.2f510b18_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_196.398c96ff.2f510b18_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is there a difference if i come out of my mixer and go into the usb port then to the computer or straight from the mixer and into the mac audio in.....the reason i ask is the usb port that i bought seems to not want to work all of the time and that was souring me on the whole computer as recorder issue.....so i have not been recording anything for ages.....today, having gotten sick with my sorry ass for not being able to get this stuff together i just went form my mackie right into my mac and it worked!.....i bypassed the usb altogether.....am i missing anything nonusbing?.....thnaks.....michael --part1_196.398c96ff.2f510b18_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is there a difference if i come out of my mixe= r and go into the usb port then to the computer or straight from the mixer a= nd into the mac audio in.....the reason i ask is the usb port that i bought=20= seems to not want to work all of the time and that was souring me on the who= le computer as recorder issue.....so i have not been recording anything for=20= ages.....today, having gotten sick with my sorry ass for not being able to g= et this stuff together i just went form my mackie right into my mac and it w= orked!.....i bypassed the usb altogether.....am i missing anything nonusbing= ?.....thnaks.....michael --part1_196.398c96ff.2f510b18_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 18:22:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PNKKR02796; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:20:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:20:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=kJxznRfylLyevmztbhvJMyPmXgQ2Xye7zVCfaMsvdo7YoIOq/2hV+VHaP0dJqtCBSxfWPqTXEiNNRMcAkAnFSkwx9fa1LiCmrJJY8Ha2GeQFAt7ykiNM4niFrcX9+olOyn/HyCsAyq6ecpstl4aldxNuu6LbQGbl6oWq8pKpPRE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:19:29 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mac recording question In-Reply-To: <196.398c96ff.2f510b18@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <196.398c96ff.2f510b18@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it depends. The quality of the audio in port (I'm assuming you're talking about one of the stereo miniplug mic in connectors) is acceptable for most people. Your USB interface may, or may not present a higher quality set of inputs and d/a convertors. However, if you're having USB audio problems--are you using USB v1, or a USB PCI card by chance? Early or non-native USB setups have been known to be problematic. On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:13:28 EST, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > is there a difference if i come out of my mixer and go into the usb port > then to the computer or straight from the mixer and into the mac audio > in.....the reason i ask is the usb port that i bought seems to not want to > work all of the time and that was souring me on the whole computer as > recorder issue.....so i have not been recording anything for ages.....today, > having gotten sick with my sorry ass for not being able to get this stuff > together i just went form my mackie right into my mac and it worked!.....i > bypassed the usb altogether.....am i missing anything > nonusbing?.....thnaks.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 18:38:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PNbHa05396; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:37:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:37:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <196.398c96ff.2f510b18@aol.com> References: <196.398c96ff.2f510b18@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:36:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: mac recording question Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1102747877==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1102747877==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:13 PM -0500 2/25/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >is there a difference if i come out of my mixer and go into the usb >port then to the computer or straight from the mixer and into the >mac audio in...i just went form my mackie right into my mac and it >worked!.....i bypassed the usb altogether.....am i missing anything >nonusbing? You don't give any details about what USB interface and what Mac model you have, so one can speak only in generalities. Whether you are recording directly through the Mac input or through an external interface the signal path is essentially the same: (1) mic preamp or line input electronics -> (2) analog to digital converter -> (3) disk drive, managed by some sort of recording software. In the case of the USB interface there is an additional layer of data handling and transmission as the audio samples are passed from the interface to the computer itself. In principle a USB interface should have higher quality preamps and converters than those built into the Mac, so if everything is working normally you should get higher quality recordings by using the interface. Any dodginess with the interface is a separate issue that could be due to various factors, some of which Travis points out. You can probably answer your own question by making recordings of the same source signal using both the USB interface and the direct Mic connection. Make sure your signal levels are as close to identical as possible, then do an A/B listening test. If you can't tell the difference, then go ahead and use what is easiest. ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1102747877==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: mac recording question
At 6:13 PM -0500 2/25/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
is there a difference if i come out of my mixer and go into the usb port then to the computer or straight from the mixer and into the mac audio in...i just went form my mackie right into my mac and it worked!.....i bypassed the usb altogether.....am i missing anything nonusbing?

You don't give any details about what USB interface and what Mac model you have, so one can speak only in generalities.

Whether you are recording directly through the Mac input or through an external interface the signal path is essentially the same:  (1) mic preamp or line input electronics -> (2) analog to digital converter -> (3) disk drive, managed by some sort of recording software. In the case of the USB interface there is an additional layer of data handling and transmission as the audio samples are passed from the interface to the computer itself. In principle a USB interface should have higher quality preamps and converters than those built into the Mac, so if everything is working normally you should get higher quality recordings by using the interface.

Any dodginess with the interface is a separate issue that could be due to various factors, some of which Travis points out. You can probably answer your own question by making recordings of the same source signal using both the USB interface and the direct Mic connection. Make sure your signal levels are as close to identical as possible, then do an A/B listening test.  If you can't tell the difference, then go ahead and use what is easiest.

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com
--============_-1102747877==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 18:50:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PNnlg07691; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:49:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:49:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Analogue Heaven , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: FS: Electrix Warpfactory vocoder Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:48:40 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com in nice shape, but with Brother P-Touch legends added for MIDI CC numbers of the knobs to aid in sequencing. includes box and manual. $175 if you want me to remove the labels and alcohol clean it, $165 if you want me to leave it the way it is because you might need that reference as well. i figure i'd give the choice. picture here: http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/demo_gallery/Demo%20Gallery-Pages/ Image5.html i have already removed the tags which indicate port and channel number, and the "stg/vocoder" label. the Electrix name is now in plain view. i am located near Chicago IL USA (2 hrs or so). buyer pays shipping. references upon request. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 18:54:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PNrVI08693; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:53:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:53:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:59:09 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows To: Message-id: <003f01c51b95$ff865d40$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course. But then I need to get a gun license, and that's such a drag nowadays. I could just hit myself with a cut-out decimal .45, fall over, writhe a little, shake a leg and say something like, "Tell Mother I didn't mean to burn the soup!" and lie there for five minutes. But then what? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Lucas" To: Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > Put on a sign that says "I love Brian Eno," pull the plug on your rack, > and take your .45 and shoot yourself in the head. > > That will make an impression. > > -J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. It so spoils the humor of such posts to have to disclaim about > them, but tone is slippery. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 19:00:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1PNwuM09885; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:58:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:58:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=aRtiz2pB+7PM1Sp1Rf736KRXfCGhCWLx55uCzRkLayTfimDzI5hyeYwC81bYg5YdyPJh+q9ugxh+5ZyvIxd5Ouv93KiTvS12ExQICS2AIwpgS8UQfGClMEbLwMxQv1U8kaOzZfdXL28k4PKAaUxHaxJRyXtkYtrTRfaVHkg3BVo= ; Message-ID: <20050225235738.10988.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:57:37 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003f01c51b95$ff865d40$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmm, I thought the full moon was LAST night. :) -t- --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Of course. But then I need to get a gun license, > and that's such a drag > nowadays. I could just hit myself with a cut-out > decimal .45, fall over, > writhe a little, shake a leg and say something like, > "Tell Mother I didn't > mean to burn the soup!" and lie there for five > minutes. > > But then what? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jesse Lucas" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE > shows > > > > Put on a sign that says "I love Brian Eno," pull > the plug on your rack, > > and take your .45 and shoot yourself in the head. > > > > That will make an impression. > > > > -J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. It so spoils the humor of such posts to have > to disclaim about > > them, but tone is slippery. > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 19:02:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q00W611745; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:00:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:00:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1dd.381b8823.2f5115e8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:59:36 EST Subject: Re: mac recording question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1dd.381b8823.2f5115e8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1dd.381b8823.2f5115e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/25/05 6:37:10 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > You don't give any details about what USB interface and what Mac model you > have, > M-AUDIO "AUDIOPHILE USB" into an eMAC and then into PEAK LE (which i am just learning to use) --part1_1dd.381b8823.2f5115e8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/25/05 6:37:10 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:


You don't give any details abou= t what USB interface and what Mac model you have,


M-AUDIO "AUDIOPHILE USB" into an eMAC and then into PEAK LE (which i am just= learning to use) --part1_1dd.381b8823.2f5115e8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 20:01:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q0xHG21717; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:59:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:59:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.6def60e4.2f512386@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:57:42 EST Subject: Re: mac recording question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <_pV2QB.A.G4E.Pm8HCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/25/05 4:00:03 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << M-AUDIO "AUDIOPHILE USB" into an eMAC and then into PEAK LE (which i am just learning to use) >> There may be some sort of Preferences selection you need to make in Peak for routing the signal, and perhaps it does not hold the selection so reverts to a default, meaning you have to choose/select each time you launch. Also it seems some software configurations tend to prefer usb port 1 for input. Anyway since you are using the Mackie for preamp (?) then I'm not sure the m-audio would add anything useful unless it functions as a line level shifter (?) so going straight in to the mac should be fine. BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 20:03:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q11Yj22508; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:01:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:01:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1dd.381b8823.2f5115e8@aol.com> References: <1dd.381b8823.2f5115e8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:00:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: mac recording question Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1102742873==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1102742873==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:59 PM -0500 2/25/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >>You don't give any details about what USB interface and what Mac >>model you have, > >M-AUDIO "AUDIOPHILE USB" into an eMAC and then into PEAK LE (which i >am just learning to use) The Audiophile should work OK if it's set up correctly, but I don't know for sure if there are issues. I know nothing about the eMac as a music machine, and I know nothing about the quality of the audio inputs on any of the newer models. I've always used dedicated converters, either card-based or firewire. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1102742873==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: mac recording question
At 6:59 PM -0500 2/25/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
You don't give any details about what USB interface and what Mac model you have,

M-AUDIO "AUDIOPHILE USB" into an eMAC and then into PEAK LE (which i am just learning to use)

The Audiophile should work OK if it's set up correctly, but I don't know for sure if there are issues.

I know nothing about the eMac as a music machine, and I know nothing about the quality of the audio inputs on any of the newer models. I've always used dedicated converters, either card-based or firewire.
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--============_-1102742873==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 20:08:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q17vg23729; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:07:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:07:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050224141148.105915b0@pine.f5.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:05:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: SooperLooper and sync with Live 4... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody else noticed issues with getting SooperLooper to lock-synchronize with the clock in Ableton Live 4.x? Every time I get the sync working between the two, I find that SooperLooper is clocking about 1/10th to 2/10th's of a BPM off from Ableton. For instance, 120.0 BPM in Live almost always reads as 119.8 BPM in SL. Usually SooperLooper is slower, but occasionally it reads fast. I don't believe it's merely a display error, as the two do gradually drift apart after several repetitions of the loop. SooperLooper's synchronization is set to "MIDI Clock", and quantize to "8ths". I've tried downloading a third-party MIDI clock program (from http://www.grantedsw.com) in hopes that maybe having both programs sync to an arbitrary source might help, but haven't yet been able to get SooperLooper to recognize that at all. I'm just curious if anyone else has run into similar weirdness.... TIA!!! --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 20:11:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q1AiU24361; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:10:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:10:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7a.6def60e4.2f512386@aol.com> References: <7a.6def60e4.2f512386@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:02:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: mac recording question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:57 PM -0500 2/25/05, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: >Anyway since you are using the Mackie for preamp (?) then I'm not sure the >m-audio would add anything useful unless it functions as a line level shifter >(?) so going straight in to the mac should be fine. The Audiophile provides two channels of analog to digital conversion. By going directly into the Mac input you are using the Mac's A to D converters instead. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 20:25:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q1OCs26413; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:24:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:24:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.3690ef0c.2f512983@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:23:15 EST Subject: Re: mac recording question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/25/05 5:10:22 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: << By going directly into the Mac input you are using the Mac's A to D converters instead. >> Your right. I was just assuming that an osX eMac would be converting at 24bit/96kHz but I really have no idea and no specs handy. BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 20:56:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q1two30539; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:55:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:55:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=uI3X3TRrQ9BWHhGgWkA5bR1pPIV1uuqFmqR8YY2Mxv60zzntNDaET/rZ0ORc+f58VXVWAIvDSsaItk0c+MGUs1u8akra0z39k3ntLZzU0T1/e4jXiIIDeEls/lu33f5kT7HKKl80+XZ8ZgkVqO8wlm3Q5sS8eqPfJDdwpT/BEbc= ; Message-ID: <20050226015518.92642.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:55:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: (P)Review of Rick Walker's PURPLE HAND CD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002901c51ac9$435b4210$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Walker has more personae than Sally Field did as Sybil. First, there’s Rick Walker the WorldBeat percussionist. Then, as L()()p.p()()L, Rick is a dayglo green live looper and concert/festival impresario. There’s a goth character with what seems to be a shifting moniker; is it Lament or UltraViolette, or are those separate, autonomous facets of the Rick Walker experience? For the past two years, Rick has been working on a computer-based abstract electronica project, and with its release comes yet another musical persona: Purple Hand. I’ve had Purple Hand in my CD player for a couple of weeks now, and I still don’t feel like I’ve heard the whole thing. That’s good. The disc opens with ‘Silky Blue’, a shimmering sequence beneath which a deep synth bassline swims like some shapeshifting leviathan. On ‘Old Habits Die Hard’ and ‘Relax’, Rick (or should we call him Mr. Hand now?) approaches the bass guitar (or what sounds like one) in a percussive manner that leaves no doubt as to his background as a drummer. One of Walker’s strengths on this recording comes when he remembers that he’s a world-class percussionist; in ‘Conversation Never Had’, the melodic content occupies the spaces behind the rhythm like shadowy figures lurking behind tree trunks, the percussion providing a foreground rather than a background, an interesting way to frame the sonic picture. Slow, stately and hovering, ‘Goodbye Noel’ explores faux-reverse dynamics, and the echoed thump of a steady, unhurried frame drum lends ‘Hayli’s Song’ an ominous air. ‘Sumping Funky I Cooked Up Tonight’ would not be out of place on a TransGlobal Underground album, while the album closer ‘Wish You’d Change Your Mind’, elegantly panning like Max Middleton’s Rhodes, manages to be both retro and futuristic at the same time. Check it out! -t- ps: I've included Rick's contact information below... --- "loop.pool" wrote: > It is also available through the mail by sending a > $15 check to: > Rick Walker > Purple Hand > 412 Darwin Street > Santa Cruz, California > 95062-2629 > > For the next month, anyone who mentions Loopers > Delight can not only buy the > CD for $12, but I will also donate $5 of those > dollars to > Kim Flint, our illustrious leader here at L.D. > > This also goes for any CD in the L()()p.p()()L > discography: > > Loop.pooL (2001) > Translucent Dayglo Lime Green Plastic (2002) > Faux Voix (2003) > Purple Hand (2005) > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 20:57:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q1twD30541; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:55:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:55:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c51ba6$337b8020$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> <003f01c51b95$ff865d40$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:55:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gotta watch THAT approach. It didn't do well for poor Dick Shawn, comedian and actor (who had superb roles in "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" as Sylvester - crazed beatnik beach bum, and in "The Producers" as the hippie-type actor playing Hitler), that his stand-up routine ended with a faked apoplexy or heart attack, and his lying on the floor motionless. It was apparently hilarious from the two reports I've had. Dick actually had a massive heart attack one night and the audience laughed for some time before slowly realizing that he wasn't going to get up again. Ever. Another line to finish on "Rosebud"-style would come from the ever-lovely Julie Brown (not downtown), in "The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun" (a prophetic bit of Demento stuff): "I did it for... JOHNNY..." | Of course. But then I need to get a gun license, and that's such a drag | nowadays. I could just hit myself with a cut-out decimal .45, fall over, | writhe a little, shake a leg and say something like, "Tell Mother I didn't | mean to burn the soup!" and lie there for five minutes. | | But then what? | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Jesse Lucas" | To: | Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:30 PM | Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows | | | > Put on a sign that says "I love Brian Eno," pull the plug on your rack, | > and take your .45 and shoot yourself in the head. | > | > That will make an impression. | > | > -J | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > P.S. It so spoils the humor of such posts to have to disclaim about | > them, but tone is slippery. | > | | | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 21:24:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q2Ltn03416; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:21:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:21:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1e0.3690ef0c.2f512983@aol.com> References: <1e0.3690ef0c.2f512983@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:21:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: mac recording question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:23 PM -0500 2/25/05, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: >I was just assuming that an osX eMac would be converting at 24bit/96kHz but I >really have no idea and no specs handy. 24-bit maybe, but probably 48kHz sampling rate (that's what my G5 has). You'd need to look at and listen to more than the raw numbers for bit depth and sampling rate. The quality of the analog input and of the converter can vary over a wide range from one device to another. Otherwise why would people spent thousands on high-end converters? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 21:24:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q2MNd03638; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:22:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:22:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=rrs/T/T4hUKquD1dAcs9c1HWAbGN4UXoBZLHF5XYRCPvHLOEagYYUBXrg3CYgxv2O8qWts0BYHgRHSBX8pALrlGL8LzP/yjJVMz7bDRN4ZnxOgFG6E6Y2BinjeZ8g3Zy9rWhQ0Ga5jkxU3Cyk+CI2qi6ngdJ8uT2VmOQGnyVQqw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:22:05 -0800 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mac recording question In-Reply-To: <1e0.3690ef0c.2f512983@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1e0.3690ef0c.2f512983@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1bDapD.A.G2.O19HCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:23:15 EST, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > Your right. > I was just assuming that an osX eMac would be converting at 24bit/96kHz but I > really have no idea and no specs handy. > > BobC > > Can't you just go to the apple website and find the specs there? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 21:41:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q2eFQ06539; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:40:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:40:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:46:39 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Doing it for JOHNNY To: Message-id: <001f01c51bad$664f6aa0$e180a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> <003f01c51b95$ff865d40$0affff0a@hppav> <005601c51ba6$337b8020$0207a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: <2-4GxD.A.AlB.5F-HCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's awesome! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Goodman" To: Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > Gotta watch THAT approach. It didn't do well for poor Dick Shawn, comedian > and actor (who had superb roles in "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" as > Sylvester - crazed beatnik beach bum, and in "The Producers" as the > hippie-type actor playing Hitler), that his stand-up routine ended with a > faked apoplexy or heart attack, and his lying on the floor motionless. It > was apparently hilarious from the two reports I've had. Dick actually had a > massive heart attack one night and the audience laughed for some time before > slowly realizing that he wasn't going to get up again. Ever. > > Another line to finish on "Rosebud"-style would come from the ever-lovely > Julie Brown (not downtown), in "The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun" (a > prophetic bit of Demento stuff): > > "I did it for... JOHNNY..." > > > | Of course. But then I need to get a gun license, and that's such a drag > | nowadays. I could just hit myself with a cut-out decimal .45, fall over, > | writhe a little, shake a leg and say something like, "Tell Mother I didn't > | mean to burn the soup!" and lie there for five minutes. > | > | But then what? > | > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Jesse Lucas" > | To: > | Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:30 PM > | Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows > | > | > | > Put on a sign that says "I love Brian Eno," pull the plug on your rack, > | > and take your .45 and shoot yourself in the head. > | > > | > That will make an impression. > | > > | > -J > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > P.S. It so spoils the humor of such posts to have to disclaim about > | > them, but tone is slippery. > | > > | > | > | > | > | > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 21:44:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q2gOJ07097; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:42:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:42:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1e0.3690ef0c.2f512983@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:41:38 -0800 To: Joey , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: mac recording question Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1102736793==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1102736793==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:22 PM -0800 2/25/05, Joey wrote: >Can't you just go to the apple website and find the specs there? Can't you just go to the Apple Web site to see if they have the specs and then post those specs here, rather than simply asking the question of whether someone else couldn't visit the Web site? If you did that you would find that Apple lists the audio specs merely as: Audio * Integrated high-performance stereo audio system * Internal 16-watt digital amplifier * Headphone jack (headphones not included) * Audio line in jack * Built-in microphone If you were then to search further, by going into the Apple Support area, you would find: Audio Input Jack Analog audio input minijack; up to 16-bit stereo and 44.1 kHz sampling rate. The external sound input jack is a 3.5 mm mini phone jack. The sound input jack accepts line-level stereo signals. It also accepts a stereo miniplug-to-RCA cable adapter for connecting stereo equipment to the computer. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1102736793==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: mac recording question
At 6:22 PM -0800 2/25/05, Joey wrote:

Can't you just go to the apple website and find the specs there?

Can't you just go to the Apple Web site to see if they have the specs and then post those specs here, rather than simply asking the question of whether someone else couldn't visit the Web site?

If you did that you would find that Apple lists the audio specs merely as:

Audio
*  Integrated high-performance stereo audio system
*  Internal 16-watt digital amplifier
*  Headphone jack (headphones not included)
*  Audio line in jack
*  Built-in microphone

If you were then to search further, by going into the Apple Support area, you would find:

Audio Input Jack

Analog audio input minijack; up to 16-bit stereo and 44.1 kHz sampling rate.

 The external sound input jack is a 3.5 mm mini phone jack. The sound input jack accepts line-level stereo signals. It also accepts a stereo miniplug-to-RCA cable adapter for connecting stereo equipment to the computer.
--

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Richard Zvonar, PhD      
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--============_-1102736793==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 21:47:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q2jCU07873; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:45:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:45:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <158.4b4908ec.2f513c7d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:44:13 EST Subject: Re: mac recording question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <4RFebC.A.d2B.GK-HCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/25/05 6:21:51 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: << Otherwise why would people spent thousands on high-end converters? >> Because they have the money? :-) "More than raw numbers" is too true. BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 21:54:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q2qxF09103; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:52:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:52:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <199.39aa9ac4.2f513df7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:50:31 EST Subject: Re: mac recording question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <5kiUm.A.8IC.BQ-HCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/25/05 6:42:02 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: << Analog audio input minijack; up to 16-bit stereo and 44.1 kHz sampling rate. >> Well there you go, not even 24-bit. I clearly suffer from low computer self-esteem because I am on an ancient system and I unconsciously assume that everything newer is vastly improved. :-) BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 22:03:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q31tV11948; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:01:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:01:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <158.4b4908ec.2f513c7d@aol.com> References: <158.4b4908ec.2f513c7d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:52:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: mac recording question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:44 PM -0500 2/25/05, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 2/25/05 6:21:51 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > ><< Otherwise why would people spent thousands on high-end converters? >> > > >Because they have the money? >:-) > >"More than raw numbers" is too true. Because they have the ears, and the money to back them up. (Maybe they have the money because they have the ears?) -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 25 23:19:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q4HCs27379; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:17:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:17:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=XZlihtKY8sgK4v5V5CK4T7/TWf1p5XlOSkzNJKY96U3cKoJSxyP4DxlqxF/M1voufJ3kVluXlFGDJ563WUq8uyBxsrsv6iWWcUQeLnKlTG1LzfMTRrM5m1LNN1I+cObsdxes5tYN8peCFsBbtnBD7P30jisS3krNE+Xqe5jiFHA= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:15:47 -0800 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mac recording question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1e0.3690ef0c.2f512983@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:41:38 -0800, Richard Zvonar wrote: > > Can't you just go to the Apple Web site to see if they have the specs and > then post those specs here, rather than simply asking the question of > whether someone else couldn't visit the Web site? > Sure I could have but I wasn't interested in the specs the other guy was. I was just giving the guy an option he may have not considered. Sorry if you took it the wrong way Dr. I wasn't trying to rub anybody wrong. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 00:04:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q530w02186; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:03:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:03:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20050225233934.01b2da38@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: soundroom@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:01:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows In-Reply-To: <005601c51ba6$337b8020$0207a8c0@eluk> References: <00c301c51b64$87a8e6c0$0affff0a@hppav> <421F6EAF.2060405@neoprimitive.net> <003f01c51b95$ff865d40$0affff0a@hppav> <005601c51ba6$337b8020$0207a8c0@eluk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't perform live, but i've seen/heard quite a few live ambient performances. So these are ideas/opinions of an audience member, not a live performer. I often find the end of ambient pieces in a live context lacking: this is NOT a record, the audience is not in their living rooms or bed rooms (usually...). Ambient pieces can become very harmonically dense by the "end". One thing i think that could work well live, wrapping up a piece much better than just a simple fade, is to simplify the loop at the end. (The Loop IV Windowing technique points to this strategy.) Listen for one note in that dense blend that is pulling you in as performer, set feedback on your loop to a fairly low setting, and begin playing that one note--especially with, in your case David, a guitar stroke with a definitive attack (i.e. no volume swell). As best as possible try to hit that note about the same time each go around. (This will be more effective if the loop is on the short side.) The loop becomes bell-like chimes of one note. End the piece by stopping/muting the loop with the foot-pedal while simultaneously playing that one note again: a final chime, with some sustain. I think David has asked a really good question here. Gimicks can be cool and interesting, really thought provoking; but sometimes the audience wants a thoughtful, MUSICAL ending to a piece. So when in doubt, simplify, simplify, end. The audience gets to appreciate that sense of completion, they get to applaud you, thinking to themselves, "Ah! You made it back from your journey to us in this room." And just for the record, while i appreciate some shows that have no break between pieces, HAVING breaks between, especially ambient pieces, can be very rewarding for an audience. It's the breathing thing. It lets the audience clear their palette, clear their ears a little, then appreciate each piece anew. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 02:46:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q7eqL26057; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:40:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:40:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1e0.3690ef0c.2f512983@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:36:51 -0800 To: Joey , loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: mac recording question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:15 PM -0800 2/25/05, Joey wrote: >Sure I could have but I wasn't interested in the specs the other guy >was. I was just giving the guy an option he may have not considered. >Sorry if you took it the wrong way Dr. I wasn't trying to rub >anybody wrong. I wasn't interested in the specs either, but one of my pet peeves is when people post terse and generally uninformative responses to mailing list questions. I feel that it's generally better to either remain silent or to take the extra step of following one's own advice and retrieving the information and posting it for general use. It generally doesn't take very long and the result is that some potentially useful information is there in the archive for future retrieval. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 03:31:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q8Tkw01231; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 03:29:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 03:29:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: mac recording question Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:32:06 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8UvT6C.A.LS.YNDICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This should be printed and framed and cross-posted to any mailing list! > I wasn't interested in the specs either, but one of my pet peeves is > when people post terse and generally uninformative responses to > mailing list questions. I feel that it's generally better to either > remain silent or to take the extra step of following one's own advice > and retrieving the information and posting it for general use. It > generally doesn't take very long and the result is that some > potentially useful information is there in the archive for future > retrieval. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 04:06:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1Q953707765; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:05:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:05:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Originating-Email: [opbeachguy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: opbeachguy@hotmail.com From: "Chuck Scholtz" To: References: Subject: Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this looper? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:03:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C51BEA.6D5C7440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2005 09:04:00.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C878710:01C51BE2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C51BEA.6D5C7440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this lTo all, Richard, thank you for your response. Two things we want everyone to know. =20 First, we researched the existing availability of products as well as = doing a patent search, but we couldn't locate an existing patent for the = project that we have envisioned. We also certainly don't want to = prematurely slam the door on anyone considering responding that may be = interested, so everyone please stay with us. =20 Second, the "music" in an exhaust system is much less complex than in = actual musical instruments, accordingly our quality expectations and = specifications are minimal for our product application. Due to the = higher costs and skills required in using a Physical Modeling (PM) = approach, we are looking to handle this project with a less expensive FM = Wavetable synthesis strategy. For anyone who didn't see the first = message, take a look at our website to see what we are requesting a = talented individuals help in developing. Chuck www.musclecarsounds.com=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Zvonar=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Cc: sales@musclecarsounds.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:49 PM Subject: Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this = looper? At 9:18 PM +0100 2/25/05, Chuck Scholtz wrote: Somebody out there has the knowledge needed to create our = engine/exhaust voice simulator. We are looking for a musician, DJ, = audiophile, programmer, sound engineer, or anyone who has an interest in = today's fast cars or musclecars from the 70's. We don't want to just = change the "pitch," we would prefer to be able to slow down/speed up = stored digital sound samples using real-time time-stretching correlated = to RPM with either a software or preferably a hardware solution. See = our proposed product at www.musclecarsounds.com to see if you have an = interest in this ground floor design opportunity. Full credits and = profit-sharing. Contact us ASAP using the email contact address on the = website. You might be interested to know that several years ago someone = developed such an engine-simultor using physical modeling techniques. = I'm pretty sure that their project was based on patented technologies = and resulted in licensing deals with game companies. --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD =20 (818) 788-2202 =20 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C51BEA.6D5C7440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build = this l
To all,
 
Richard, thank you for your = response.
 
Two things we want everyone to know.  =
 
First, we researched the existing availability = of=20 products as well as doing a patent search, but we couldn't locate an=20 existing patent for the project that we have envisioned.  = We also=20 certainly don't want to prematurely slam the door on anyone considering=20 responding that may be interested, so everyone please stay with = us.  =20
 
Second, the "music" in an exhaust system is much = less complex=20 than in actual musical instruments, accordingly our quality expectations = and=20 specifications are minimal for our product application.  Due to the = higher=20 costs and skills required in using a Physical Modeling (PM) approach, we = are=20 looking to handle this project with a less expensive FM Wavetable = synthesis=20 strategy.  For anyone who didn't see the first message, take a look = at our=20 website to see what we are requesting a talented individuals help in=20 developing.
 
Chuck
www.musclecarsounds.com =
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard = Zvonar=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 = 11:49=20 PM
Subject: Re: Who out there has = the=20 knowledge to design/build this looper?

At 9:18 PM +0100 2/25/05, Chuck Scholtz wrote:
Somebody out there has = the=20 knowledge needed to create our engine/exhaust voice simulator.  = We are=20 looking for a musician, DJ, audiophile, programmer, sound engineer, = or=20 anyone who has an interest in today's fast cars or musclecars from = the=20 70's.  We don't want to just change the "pitch," we would = prefer to be=20 able to slow down/speed up stored digital sound samples using = real-time=20 time-stretching correlated to RPM with either a software or = preferably a=20 hardware solution.  See our proposed product at www.musclecarsounds.com to see = if you have=20 an interest in this ground floor design opportunity.  Full = credits and=20 profit-sharing.  Contact us ASAP using the email contact = address on the=20 website.

You might be interested to know that several = years ago=20 someone developed such an engine-simultor using physical = modeling=20 techniques. I'm pretty sure that their project was based on patented=20 technologies and resulted in licensing deals with game=20 companies.
--=20
=

______________________________________________________________Richard=20 Zvonar, PhD       =
(818)=20 788-2202 =20        =20        =20        =20        =20
http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C51BEA.6D5C7440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 06:22:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QBMM323508; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:22:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:22:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: loopers on new internet radio show Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 03:22:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <1UzLpC.A.tuF.bvFICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have started hosting an "on demand" internet radio show that I hope will be one of the most eclectic radio shows on the planet and feature great independent artists from around the world, many of whom I have worked with as a producer/mixer or collaborator. The first episode features a fair amount of looping (as many of the shows will) and even a few members of this boards: Travis Harnett, Lives of the Saints, Some non looping stuff by Robert Fripp and a live in studio performance and interview with Andre LaFosse. Look for a live in Studio performance by Tuba Looper Tom Heasley in the next weeks. http://www.venetowest.com/radio/ Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 06:33:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QBWmp24891; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:32:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:32:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Q35FuExrugNbAo5l0T7dvfAmRq63RIMNzFyCvstNYHFBQyc3+hWxT5ibqnp1aDskafUktbjVDmAP02b2+wmuDN483IajRI6m1k/N7P795CMoWjalf7lk5/4+m4DbSefkE2/6/JBDIlLKGp6Ke2ZNw1MCigPugam2be2+Uvb/8ag= ; Message-ID: <20050226113123.18679.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 03:31:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: mac recording question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you going to do that yourself, or are you suggesting that someone else do it? :P -t- --- Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > This should be printed and framed and cross-posted > to any mailing list! > > > I wasn't interested in the specs either, but one > of my pet peeves is > > when people post terse and generally uninformative > responses to > > mailing list questions. I feel that it's > generally better to either > > remain silent or to take the extra step of > following one's own advice > > and retrieving the information and posting it for > general use. It > > generally doesn't take very long and the result is > that some > > potentially useful information is there in the > archive for future > > retrieval. > > -- > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > (818) 788-2202 > > http://www.zvonar.com > > http://salamandersongs.com > > http://ill-wind.com > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 11:32:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QGVb102466; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:31:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:31:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1066.66.2.70.4.1109435458.squirrel@webmail.bluefrog.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:30:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Digitech GNX4 From: To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Spam-BF-Report: MAIL3:(-4.2 points) ALL_TRUSTED=-3.3,AWL=0.000,BAYES_00=-2.599,NO_REAL_NAME=0.007 autolearn=ham dcc=inuyasha 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1() Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone use the Digitech GNX4? It's supposed to have a built-in "JamMan Delay Looper w/8 levels of undo". Anyone know how much of the functionality of the Jam Man is actually built into this device ... or other comments? paula From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 11:41:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QGeY303837; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:40:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:40:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1066.66.2.70.4.1109435458.squirrel@webmail.bluefrog.com> References: <1066.66.2.70.4.1109435458.squirrel@webmail.bluefrog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0A3D9D8C-8815-11D9-82D0-003065B3AF6E@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: DJ Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:39:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <40NPNC.A.H6.cZKICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paula, I don't have a JamMan, so I can't say how similar the GNX4 is to it, but my experience with the GNX4 is that this is one of the weakest features on the device. It is very very hard to create seamless musical sounding loops, and they will often contain clicks. I thought it was me until I borrowed a RC-20 from a friend and had no trouble creating loops that were in time. My theory is that there is a delay on the GNX4 that make the loop point hard to nail. But I could be doing something wrong as I tend to use the GNX4 mostly for things other than looping. In fact I hope I am wrong and someone on here can tell me how to get a lot out of this function as it would be cool. Also, I could not find any kind of feedback control. Does the JamMan have feedback? DJ On Feb 26, 2005, at 11:30 AM, wrote: > Does anyone use the Digitech GNX4? It's supposed to have a built-in > "JamMan Delay Looper w/8 levels of undo". Anyone know how much of the > functionality of the Jam Man is actually built into this device ... or > other comments? > > paula > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 11:53:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QGoas06222; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:50:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:50:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 5a90d50bb02de53f73a59b92f6d506a8 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:31:01 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Doesn't anyone ever just stop'em cold? You know the old fashioned >1,2,3,stop. this tells me: you have enough of it - is that what you want to say? I dont think its a technical problem its rather about your understanding of the energies you are controling with the music often you dont want the good mood to stop, so you pretend that song goes on forever and fading out seems to be the only way to say that. to increase reverb is great because it means that the song goes on elswhere (since were you are, the next one starts) if you end the show by only fading out there is a risk that listeners do a car crash afterwards. So usually I let the deep piece fade away but play some simple clean slightly animating chords with little reverb to make the listeners come back to this world. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 13:14:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QICF321729; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:12:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:12:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <1066.66.2.70.4.1109435458.squirrel@webmail.bluefrog.com> References: <1066.66.2.70.4.1109435458.squirrel@webmail.bluefrog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:11:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 26, 2005, at 17:30, wrote: > Does anyone use the Digitech GNX4? It's supposed to have a built-in > "JamMan Delay Looper w/8 levels of undo". Anyone know how much of the > functionality of the Jam Man is actually built into this device ... or > other comments? > > paula I don't use a GNX4 but back when it was first released a music store gave me one for checking it out over the weekend. I read the manual and tried out what you can do with the module and then I returned it happily on monday morning. Right now I can't recall all the details but it seemed as everything I wanted to do, looping-wise, was not possible or very difficult. I like the Jam Man much more. Before I bought my EDP I sometimes rented a Jam Man for gigs. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 14:07:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QJ6nM32405; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:06:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:06:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <68.504adf14.2f522299@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:06:01 EST Subject: Re: mac recording question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_68.504adf14.2f522299_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_68.504adf14.2f522299_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks to all for the great help.....i will try to work with the USB port and see what the heck is up with it.....the sound in an A-B comparison is reveling, the sound with the direct audio in is a bit more "airy" in it's sound, it has a different character to it than the "live" sound.....sorry for the lack of a better vocabulary.....also take into consideration that my hearing is getting worse by the day except for the ringing which gets louder and louder.....:).....thanks again.....michael --part1_68.504adf14.2f522299_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks to all for the great help.....i will tr= y to work with the USB port and see what the heck is up with it.....the soun= d in an A-B comparison is reveling, the sound with the direct audio in is a=20= bit more "airy" in it's sound, it has a different character to it than the "= live" sound.....sorry for the lack of a better vocabulary.....also take into= consideration that my hearing is getting worse by the day except for the ri= nging which gets louder and louder.....:).....thanks again.....michael --part1_68.504adf14.2f522299_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 14:11:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QJ5du32075; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:05:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:05:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:03:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:03 AM +0100 2/26/05, Chuck Scholtz wrote: >Two things we want everyone to know. > >First, we researched the existing availability of products as well >as doing a patent search, but we couldn't locate an existing patent >for the project that we have envisioned. >Second, the "music" in an exhaust system is much less complex than >in actual musical instruments, accordingly our quality expectations >and specifications are minimal for our product application. Due to >the higher costs and skills required in using a Physical Modeling >(PM) approach, we are looking to handle this project with a less >expensive FM Wavetable synthesis strategy. It may well be that products based on the technology I mentioned have not yet hit market, but as of 2000 the physical modeling techniques for car engine simulation were functional and ready for licensing. The company has since been acquired by a major chip manufacturer, and I expect that car engines are low on their priority list. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 14:16:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QJFLJ02164; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:15:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:15:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oJhqvSl39xiKni4EnOb+3i3ah+0ipCNlvGpi2atX5hyGYVu/QdNZ1J0gQVTOy9imkfjcuivuKDU5X3tM2dLxVkuKXnSg7HnMbKi+wKKMF4ivU6V2T50+DFweX/rHdFbY1U1M6NzYk33LJcShrPvPJyRHy6OYWfic8dT1QJlAUEQ= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:14:55 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Roland M-120 12 channel 1U mixer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw this on the Seattle craigslist. LD members have expressed interest in this sort of item before. Please note that I am NOT the seller (and have no tie to whoever it is), so direct your questions to: anon-61425831@craigslist.org ((( WOW! - ROLAND M-120 12-channel Stereo Mixer ))) - $150 Reply to: anon-61425831@craigslist.org Date: 2005-02-26, 10:40AM PST Single rack space 12-channel stereo line mixer with two effects sends per channel, both balanced and unbalanced main outputs, separate stereo monitor inputs and outputs and dedicated headphone output. This is a must have for any multi-keyboardist or studio rat! Excellent condition and always mounted in my clean smoke-free home rack. Manual included. $150 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 14:26:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QJMlc04590; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:22:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:22:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1.36504ab3.2f522666@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:22:14 EST Subject: Re: mac recording question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/26/05 11:06:34 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << i will try to work with the USB port and see what the heck is up with it >> Hi Another thing to keep in mind is that if you play a cd or dvd on the mac it will automatically change the monitoring source and it may not automatically revert back to a 'Sound In' source if you launch an audio software editor. I've not used USB audio input so I don't know if it applies, but I nearly always go in and check the system sound monitoring source in the control panels to verify what is currently active. So if Peak or M-audio use a usb to Sound-in link then you might need to check that settings have not been altered by some previous usage. sorry if that is too obvious. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 14:26:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QJP2U05100; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:25:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:25:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a3.2edaf410.2f5226e8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:24:24 EST Subject: Re: mac recording question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a3.2edaf410.2f5226e8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a3.2edaf410.2f5226e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/26/05 2:22:31 PM, Aptrev@aol.com writes: > sorry if that is too obvious. > thanks bob.....obvious, no! not to me! --part1_1a3.2edaf410.2f5226e8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/26/05 2:22:31 PM, Aptrev@aol.com writes:


sorry if that is too obvious.


thanks bob.....obvious, no! not to me! --part1_1a3.2edaf410.2f5226e8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 14:30:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QJSQv06118; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:28:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:28:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <68.504adf14.2f522299@aol.com> References: <68.504adf14.2f522299@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-142387209 Message-Id: <86dd74c5885519cd34fbb9fd91e4dba6@telia.com> From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: mac recording question Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:28:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-142387209 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi If you're having problems with the usb and it isn't related just to Peak Le there might be the old USB power problem especially if the Usb sound interface is working sometimes and sometimes not. If that's the case unplug all other usb stuff and try it again . (and/ or change Usb port) If i'ts related to peak which i've used for many years , I've experienced problems with peak and changing drivers (I've not used Peak Le but the problem might be similar). good luck Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-02-26 kl. 20.06 Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > thanks to all for the great help.....i will try to work with the USB > port and see what the heck is up with it.....the sound in an A-B > comparison is reveling, the sound with the direct audio in is a bit > more "airy" in it's sound, it has a different character to it than the > "live" sound.....sorry for the lack of a better vocabulary.....also > take into consideration that my hearing is getting worse by the day > except for the ringing which gets louder and louder.....:).....thanks > again.....michael --Apple-Mail-1-142387209 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi If you're having problems with the usb and it isn't related just to Peak Le there might be the old USB power problem especially if the Usb sound interface is working sometimes and sometimes not. If that's the case unplug all other usb stuff and try it again . (and/ or change Usb port) If i'ts related to peak which i've used for many years , I've experienced problems with peak and changing drivers (I've not used Peak Le but the problem might be similar). good luck Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-02-26 kl. 20.06 Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: Optimathanks to all for the great help.....i will try to work with the USB port and see what the heck is up with it.....the sound in an A-B comparison is reveling, the sound with the direct audio in is a bit more "airy" in it's sound, it has a different character to it than the "live" sound.....sorry for the lack of a better vocabulary.....also take into consideration that my hearing is getting worse by the day except for the ringing which gets louder and louder.....:).....thanks again.....michael --Apple-Mail-1-142387209-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 14:33:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QJVJR07062; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:31:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:31:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:30:49 EST Subject: Re: mac recording question addendum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I just remembered another odd thing. I use several different audio programs and try out demos and such. One time I clicked a mute button in an audio program. Unbeknownest to me, it did not mute the program but it muted the system. Then when I quit the program it did not automatically unmute the system. Later, after no sound in my usual programs and time spent checking wires and such I went to the sound control and noticed a system mute button selected and thus was able to deselect. A rare event but exasperating. BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 14:36:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QJYtg07773; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:34:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:34:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050226113123.18679.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050226113123.18679.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:32:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: mac recording question Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1102676020==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1102676020==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 3:31 AM -0800 2/26/05, Tim Nelson wrote: >Are you going to do that yourself, or are you >suggesting that someone else do it? :P > >-t- Good point! Bernhard or anyone else has my permission to re-post anything I post to this list to any other list (this permission does not extend to the contents of any of my private e-mails). I assume that what Bernhard wrote was a rhetorical way of saying he agreed with my comment. However, it's distinctly different from what I was commenting on. Curmudgeon that I am, there are a couple of mailing list behaviors that bug me: 1) The "poor little me" questions, wherein someone asks for information that is readily available through a Google search or a search through the list archives. This can be in the form of "what's the name of that computer company that makes the Macintosh?" or "about a year ago there was a discussion on this list about sardines...anybody remember that?" 2) Really brief interjections that add no useful information and that either express agreement or approval ("mee toooo!" or "right on!") or else levy a critique couched as a suggestion ("why don't you RTFM" or "don't complain that it's too expensive...get a job!"). That's not to say I'm not myself guilty (especially in the second category, and especially late at night) but most of the time I do try to follow my own advice and offer up some useful information. In particular, if someone asks for information that may seem obvious to me, or may seem simple to find, I will often spend the 30 seconds or 3 minutes needed to find the information and then I'll post it. In doing this I accomplish at least four things: 1) I answer the question, 2) I tender a mild rebuke to the questioner for being either too lazy or too unimaginative to find the information him/herself, 3) I offer some instruction to the young and inexperienced about how to learn things using the Internet, and 4) I often learn something myself in the process. This last point is important in at least two ways. First, the information itself can become part of my personal knowledge base, and second, the location of the information becomes part of my data acquisition technique. For instance, I now know that on the Apple Web site the technical information about computer models is presented in at least two or three locations and that the degree of detail differs from the top level to the sub-pages in the product description. >--- Bernhard Wagner wrote: > >> >> This should be printed and framed and cross-posted >> to any mailing list! >> >> > I wasn't interested in the specs either, but one >> of my pet peeves is >> > when people post terse and generally uninformative >> responses to >> > mailing list questions. I feel that it's >> generally better to either >> > remain silent or to take the extra step of >> following one's own advice >> > and retrieving the information and posting it for >> general use. It >> > generally doesn't take very long and the result is >> that some >> > potentially useful information is there in the >> archive for future > > > retrieval. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1102676020==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: mac recording question
At 3:31 AM -0800 2/26/05, Tim Nelson wrote:
Are you going to do that yourself, or are you
suggesting that someone else do it? :P

-t-

Good point!
Bernhard or anyone else has my permission to re-post anything I post to this list to any other list (this permission does not extend to the contents of any of my private e-mails).

I assume that what Bernhard wrote was a rhetorical way of saying he agreed with my comment. However, it's distinctly different from what I was commenting on.

Curmudgeon that I am, there are a couple of mailing list behaviors that bug me:

1) The "poor little me" questions, wherein someone asks for information that is readily available through a Google search or a search through the list archives. This can be in the form of "what's the name of that computer company that makes the Macintosh?" or "about a year ago there was a discussion on this list about sardines...anybody remember that?"

2) Really brief interjections that add no useful information and that either express agreement or approval ("mee toooo!" or "right on!") or else  levy a critique couched as a suggestion ("why don't you RTFM" or "don't complain that it's too expensive...get a job!").

That's not to say I'm not myself guilty (especially in the second category, and especially late at night) but most of the time I do try to follow my own advice and offer up some useful information. In particular, if someone asks for information that may seem obvious to me, or may seem simple to find, I will often spend the 30 seconds or 3 minutes needed to find the information and then I'll post it. In doing this I accomplish at least four things: 1) I answer the question, 2) I tender a mild rebuke to the questioner for being either too lazy or too unimaginative to find the information him/herself, 3) I offer some instruction to the young and inexperienced about how to learn things using the Internet, and 4) I often learn something myself in the process.

This last point is important in at least two ways. First, the information itself can become part of my personal knowledge base, and second, the location of the information becomes part of my data acquisition technique. For instance, I now know that on the Apple Web site the technical information about computer models is presented in at least two or three locations and that the degree of detail differs from the top level to the sub-pages in the product description.




--- Bernhard Wagner <loopdelightml@nosuch.biz> wrote:

>
> This should be printed and framed and cross-posted
> to any mailing list!
>
> > I wasn't interested in the specs either, but one
> of my pet peeves is
> > when people post terse and generally uninformative
> responses to
> > mailing list questions.  I feel that it's
> generally better to either
> > remain silent or to take the extra step of
> following one's own advice
> > and retrieving the information and posting it for
> general use. It
> > generally doesn't take very long and the result is
> that some
> > potentially useful information is there in the
> archive for future
> > retrieval.


--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com
--============_-1102676020==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 14:45:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QJiQf09680; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:44:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:44:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <68.504adf14.2f522299@aol.com> References: <68.504adf14.2f522299@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:41:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: mac recording question Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1102675421==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1102675421==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:06 PM -0500 2/26/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >he sound in an A-B comparison is reveling, the sound with the direct >audio in is a bit more "airy" in it's sound, it has a different >character to it than the "live" sound. I notice that you use fairly neutral terms to describe the difference ("airy" and "different character"), rather than "better" and "worse.' This can be a good thing since it leaves you open-minded to take advantage of different options without the kind of prejudice that comes from a "more expensive is better" attitude. You can take advantage of what you get from different techniques, though as you gain experience you can also develop and understanding of why some people might say that something is "better" than something else ("better in what way" you might ask). >also take into consideration that my hearing is getting worse by the >day except for the ringing which gets louder and louder..... Reminds me of the old Latin Christmas song (Jingle Bells): Tinniat, tinniat, tintinablum Labimur in glacie, post mulum curtum But seriously, one's hearing may get worse but one's listening can still get better. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1102675421==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: mac recording question
At 2:06 PM -0500 2/26/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

he sound in an A-B comparison is reveling, the sound with the direct audio in is a bit more "airy" in it's sound, it has a different character to it than the "live" sound.

I notice that you use fairly neutral terms to describe the difference ("airy" and "different character"), rather than "better" and "worse.' This can be a good thing since it leaves you open-minded to take advantage of different options without the kind of prejudice that comes from a "more expensive is better" attitude. You can take advantage of what you get from different techniques, though as you gain experience you can also develop and understanding of why some people might say that something is "better" than something else ("better in what way" you might ask).


also take into consideration that my hearing is getting worse by the day except for the ringing which gets louder and louder.....

Reminds me of the old Latin Christmas song (Jingle Bells):

Tinniat, tinniat, tintinablum
Labimur in glacie, post mulum curtum

But seriously, one's hearing may get worse but one's listening can still get better.
--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com
--============_-1102675421==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 14:48:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QJkJH10298; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:46:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:46:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=LyyKcK8wpzFb5ZCfFDSZVzotGEY5BoVG2zOATegElvb9vEUt+3+O+YIAxmTmM/MpxAipMCn56lXvvjuoJnF+4CDZRTjp4FuLBgXrGCo7GijRO9MvmYBs36UFRl8i4GuHVXaMfMy3uooD4raDlDl0rcxG/R345QSzt67lP5e2igs= ; Message-ID: <20050226194555.58865.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:45:54 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: RE: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200502252258.j1PMwIW30599@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6GIV0D.A.CgC.4HNICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr. Weasel wrote: - Design a software or application that allows you to create and/or get rid of the silence before and after the exported/imported loops: this is ESSENTIAL! Dude, this so exists already. It's called Reputer. Contact this guy: piggyfinger@yahoo.com Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 17:51:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1QMomw09056; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:50:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:50:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Et5YnZzJNvt1Jewr1kwxTJBPO1U0ohzuUIM/dhh31FrAlGxjZsvo2ZAtvzWp7X7G7WBnfcVBlD8PF8XqB3KWX06wBY8KBsKBnzHII5eaTmoCOZDj5+HC1AaH8HLk6KlPOBRIPNsZ4a/yQLRBoJzdf0RvlxlJ9t0IeW/kynUeFmQ= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:50:18 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Mech Subject: Re: SooperLooper and sync with Live 4... Cc: sooperlooper-users@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050224141148.105915b0@pine.f5.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050224141148.105915b0@pine.f5.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:05:50 -0600, Mech wrote: > Anybody else noticed issues with getting SooperLooper to lock-synchronize > with the clock in Ableton Live 4.x? > > Every time I get the sync working between the two, I find that SooperLooper > is clocking about 1/10th to 2/10th's of a BPM off from Ableton. For > instance, 120.0 BPM in Live almost always reads as 119.8 BPM in > SL. Usually SooperLooper is slower, but occasionally it reads fast. I > don't believe it's merely a display error, as the two do gradually drift > apart after several repetitions of the loop. SooperLooper's > synchronization is set to "MIDI Clock", and quantize to "8ths". The display shows measured bpm over probably too short of an averaged window. The actual reception of the MIDI clock ticks is what controls the sync, not that measured/displayed value. Do you have "play sync" enabled on the loop? Otherwise it will not attempt to stay in sync during normal playback. The "sync" affects synced quantization of record and other loop operations only. > I've tried downloading a third-party MIDI clock program (from > http://www.grantedsw.com) in hopes that maybe having both programs sync to > an arbitrary source might help, but haven't yet been able to get > SooperLooper to recognize that at all. You have to use a MIDI patchbay (like http://pete.yandell.com/software/ ) to connect other coremidi apps to SL. I downloaded MidiClock and it works fine after connecting with Midi Patchbay. As for accuracy of the MIDI playback syncing, you will find that your audio buffer size in jack will affect it. The lower the latency, the closer it should track. Also, the playback sync does so by periodically retriggering near loop boundaries if drift is sensed. This technique is not particularly ideal, but it should work OK when the external tempo remains the same as the initial recorded loop (when synced). For any further detailed discussion of SooperLooper, please join the mailing list at https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sooperlooper-users jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 20:55:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1R1mdg06129; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:48:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:48:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=gXfCSmE5HtDMNCgA/JaqrYwLUdnXjzc5HpRxFn3mGI6uW85WDroYjj1/1QjDArv+; Message-ID: <410-22005202715651870@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: the music of the Otto Cycle Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this looper? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:56:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9408e73cd563b17a96b4960cbcd5c8e2ada350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a car freak *and* a musician, I feel that car exhaust can be just as harmonically complex as a more traditional instrument. When Mazda was developing the first-gen Miata, they had a guy listening day-in/day-out to tapes of classic sports cars, trying to understand the desired overtones so that his cowokers could then approximate them. They had that much respect for the sound. I, for one, am impressed. In fact, a few years ago I saw one of the classic cars they had been studying so feverishly, an Austin Healey, blasting down Rte 128, and I rolled down my window to hear the music. It sounded like the wonderful 15th-fret harmonic chord that Robbie Krieger used to start the Doors' "L.A. Woman." Unbelievable. Yours in Sound, Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com > [Original Message] > From: Richard Zvonar > To: > Date: 2/26/2005 2:05:52 PM > Subject: Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this looper? > > At 10:03 AM +0100 2/26/05, Chuck Scholtz wrote: > > >Two things we want everyone to know. > > > >First, we researched the existing availability of products as well > >as doing a patent search, but we couldn't locate an existing patent > >for the project that we have envisioned. > > >Second, the "music" in an exhaust system is much less complex than > >in actual musical instruments, accordingly our quality expectations > >and specifications are minimal for our product application. Due to > >the higher costs and skills required in using a Physical Modeling > >(PM) approach, we are looking to handle this project with a less > >expensive FM Wavetable synthesis strategy. > > It may well be that products based on the technology I mentioned have > not yet hit market, but as of 2000 the physical modeling techniques > for car engine simulation were functional and ready for licensing. > The company has since been acquired by a major chip manufacturer, and > I expect that car engines are low on their priority list. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 26 21:43:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1R2gfG14435; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:42:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:42:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c51c76$33667b00$e845dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <410-22005202715651870@earthlink.net> Subject: New Mailing List Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:44:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all. I have a few jazz looping gigs coming up around Champaign/Urbana, Illinois and have started a mailing list to inform people of the gigs and keep them up to date on other random projects. I dunno if there is anyone on Looper's Delight that is closer than Springfield, but if you are or think you might be interested in other news and/or recordings, you can subscribe to my list here: http://www.marksmart.net/bands/jazzlooping/jazzlooping.html Thanks! I used the CD from when I played on WEFT radio as a demo for several venues, and that seemed to get me the gigs. I'm running off some more copies and should have some for sale on my site at some point. I'm still trying to decide how much to charge, and whether I should continue burning CDs at home or have them actually manufactured, etc. I kinda like making everything myself, but maybe that's not the most professional way... It's funny about the CDs...before I had the WEFT recording I made a 3-song demo at home in which I left out the "recording phase" at the beginning where I'm putting in the bass+drum accompaniment. I figured that they wouldn't want to sit through minutes of stuff with no melody. But it ended up being the opposite. One person called me back and specifically requested another recording on which he could hear where I record in the accompaniment! Interesting. Anyway, from now on, no abbreviated recordings, even though that means I gotta pay higher license fees on the tunes. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 02:06:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1R74qk30613; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:04:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:04:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:57:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Ethel concert in Los Angeles Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1102634617==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <6-rUXB.A.vdH.tDXICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1102634617==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Andre LaFosse and I attended the Ethel concert in Los Angeles this afternoon. It was insanely great! Ethel is the string quartet to which list-member Todd Reynolds belongs. Most of you are probably aware of Todd's activities as a looper, and if you're lucky you may even have heard him play (he's a monster). Though it would be a stretch to call Ethel a "conventional" string quartet, they have the chops and musical sensitivity to impress classical and contemporary music audiences alike. I was certainly knocked out! The program we heard today consisted of contemporary works (several by Todd) by a variety of living composers including John King, Evan Ziporyn, Phil Klein, et al. The tour continues tomorrow with a performance in Berkeley and others to follow, and starting April 13 the quartet hits the road with Todd Rundgren and Joe Jackson: Ethel On Tour February-April 2005 Feb. 26 Los Angeles, CA SCI-Arc Feb. 27 Berkeley, CA US Berkeley Mar. 04 Sun Valley, ID Sun Valley Center for Arts Mar. 05-06 Seattle, WA Behenke Center Mar. 31 Cleveland, OH Beachland Ballroom Apr. 02 Cleveland, OH Masonic Auditorium Ethel on Tour With Todd Rundgren and Joe Jackson Spring 2005 April 13 Melbourne, FL King Center for the Arts April 15 Clearwater, FL Ruth Eckerd Hall April 16 Pompano, FL Pompano Beach Amphitheater April 18 Jacksonville, FL Florida Theater April 20 Greensboro, FL War Memorial Auditorium April 21 Harrisburg, PA Forum Auditorium April 23 Baltimore, PA Rams Head Live April 24 Philadelphia, PA Kimmel Center April 26 Washington, DC Warner Theater April 27 New York, NY Beacon Theater (attn nyc folks!) April 29 New Brunswick, NJ State Theater April 30 Mashantucket, CT Foxwoods May 01 Poughkeepsie, NY Barvadon Opera House May 03 Cleveland, OH Playhouse Square May 04 Ann Arbor, MI Michigan Theater May 06 Cincinnati, OH Taft Theatre May 07 St. Louis, MO Orpheum Theater May 12 Minneapolis, MN Fitzgerald Theater May 13 Milwaukee, WI Pabst Theater May 14 Chicago, IL Cadillac Palace Theater May 17 Los Angeles, CA Wilshire May 18 San Diego, CA Humphreys May 20 Santa Rosa, CA Luther Burbank Center May 21 Redwood City, CA Fox Theatre http://www.ethelcentral.com/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1102634617==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Ethel concert in Los Angeles
Andre LaFosse and I attended the Ethel concert in Los Angeles this afternoon. It was insanely great!

Ethel is the string quartet to which list-member Todd Reynolds belongs. Most of you are probably aware of Todd's activities as a looper, and if you're lucky you may even have heard him play (he's a monster). Though it would be a stretch to call Ethel a "conventional" string quartet, they have the chops and musical sensitivity to impress classical and contemporary music audiences alike. I was certainly knocked out!

The program we heard today consisted of contemporary works (several by Todd) by a variety of living composers including John King, Evan Ziporyn, Phil Klein, et al. The tour continues tomorrow with a performance in Berkeley and others to follow, and starting April 13 the quartet hits the road with Todd Rundgren and Joe Jackson:


Ethel On Tour February-April 2005
Feb. 26 Los Angeles, CA SCI-Arc
Feb. 27 Berkeley, CA US Berkeley
Mar. 04 Sun Valley, ID Sun Valley Center for Arts
Mar. 05-06 Seattle, WA Behenke Center
Mar. 31 Cleveland, OH Beachland Ballroom
Apr. 02 Cleveland, OH Masonic Auditorium

Ethel on Tour With Todd Rundgren and Joe Jackson
Spring 2005
April 13 Melbourne, FL King Center for the Arts
April 15 Clearwater, FL Ruth Eckerd Hall
April 16 Pompano, FL Pompano Beach Amphitheater
April 18 Jacksonville, FL Florida Theater
April 20 Greensboro, FL War Memorial Auditorium
April 21 Harrisburg, PA Forum Auditorium
April 23 Baltimore, PA Rams Head Live
April 24 Philadelphia, PA Kimmel Center
April 26 Washington, DC Warner Theater
April 27 New York, NY Beacon Theater (attn nyc folks!)
April 29 New Brunswick, NJ State Theater
April 30 Mashantucket, CT Foxwoods
May 01 Poughkeepsie, NY Barvadon Opera House
May 03 Cleveland, OH Playhouse Square
May 04 Ann Arbor, MI Michigan Theater
May 06 Cincinnati, OH Taft Theatre
May 07 St. Louis, MO Orpheum Theater
May 12 Minneapolis, MN Fitzgerald Theater
May 13 Milwaukee, WI Pabst Theater
May 14 Chicago, IL Cadillac Palace Theater
May 17 Los Angeles, CA Wilshire
May 18 San Diego, CA Humphreys
May 20 Santa Rosa, CA Luther Burbank Center
May 21 Redwood City, CA Fox Theatre



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--============_-1102634617==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 06:20:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RBINg01242; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:18:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:18:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: "Loopers" Subject: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:16:31 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How does this compare to your last live looping jam: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=15614 ;) Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 06:22:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RBLTJ01745; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:21:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:21:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200502271120.j1RBKEx01600@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:19:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20050226194555.58865.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcUcPAnr5wPbVqtHS+++SlLuTg4tMwAgiFdA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1RBKEx01600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Deadly I wonder how I missed that. Electrix should put it on their website with other ressources. -----Original Message----- From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] Sent: samedi 26 février 2005 19:46 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 Mr. Weasel wrote: - Design a software or application that allows you to create and/or get rid of the silence before and after the exported/imported loops: this is ESSENTIAL! Dude, this so exists already. It's called Reputer. Contact this guy: piggyfinger@yahoo.com Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 06:25:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RBOKU02518; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:24:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:24:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=dl+yBjQgsQ2WjMWLSp0oBdKC4vjlnmeH4pevdLhWRQCGLQyRcyUfEH5ctNPm1ZsvQpr4dKYrYm69GHlLralwgICOeK1p5KR7oZXsthwsKbizYhl4DSQLXVHO782g8kNsLGkN6dBsjgBSdkxy9NkCkkSz3Aj/g1RgQ1zEnudy7m4= ; Message-ID: <20050227112328.4866.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:23:28 -0800 (PST) From: Monica Subject: Numa Numa Dance! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-596762710-1109503408=:4629" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-596762710-1109503408=:4629 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/numa.php __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-596762710-1109503408=:4629 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
 
 

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-596762710-1109503408=:4629-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 06:34:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RBWMb03880; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:32:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:32:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: the music of the Otto Cycle Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this looper? Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:33:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c51cc0$2564aaa0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <410-22005202715651870@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j1RBW5x03825 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember this project done by Volkswagen during the development of the New Beetle. They would invite people (VW customers without any professional automotive background). They had two cars: one normal car, one where the audio system would generate cool engine/exhaust sounds based on engine variables - which they didn't tell their guests. Then they asked the guys to compare both cars with regards to performance and handling. You all can guess the result: most people judged that the car with the audio system had better performance and handling ;) -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Februar 2005 02:57 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: the music of the Otto Cycle Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this looper? As a car freak *and* a musician, I feel that car exhaust can be just as harmonically complex as a more traditional instrument. When Mazda was developing the first-gen Miata, they had a guy listening day-in/day-out to tapes of classic sports cars, trying to understand the desired overtones so that his cowokers could then approximate them. They had that much respect for the sound. I, for one, am impressed. In fact, a few years ago I saw one of the classic cars they had been studying so feverishly, an Austin Healey, blasting down Rte 128, and I rolled down my window to hear the music. It sounded like the wonderful 15th-fret harmonic chord that Robbie Krieger used to start the Doors' "L.A. Woman." Unbelievable. Yours in Sound, Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com > [Original Message] > From: Richard Zvonar > To: > Date: 2/26/2005 2:05:52 PM > Subject: Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this > looper? > > At 10:03 AM +0100 2/26/05, Chuck Scholtz wrote: > > >Two things we want everyone to know. > > > >First, we researched the existing availability of products as well > >as doing a patent search, but we couldn't locate an existing patent > >for the project that we have envisioned. > > >Second, the "music" in an exhaust system is much less complex than > >in actual musical instruments, accordingly our quality expectations > >and specifications are minimal for our product application. Due to > >the higher costs and skills required in using a Physical Modeling > >(PM) approach, we are looking to handle this project with a less > >expensive FM Wavetable synthesis strategy. > > It may well be that products based on the technology I mentioned have > not yet hit market, but as of 2000 the physical modeling techniques > for car engine simulation were functional and ready for licensing. > The company has since been acquired by a major chip manufacturer, and > I expect that car engines are low on their priority list. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 07:34:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RCWqF11529; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:32:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:32:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=epxGZ48JL7s7hd2yDTii+0Dd0UKNOq/Vp7V5hhGfIhBhUQXlKjtaXNcBHpqRtF7q/sXL77C5jRJpwELWR7fIgpbU9NeTqRIogL2xUVbL+ZGephLXBNPZc1ziii28U4/GGD8qFUd/8syBRXIxe+xy2rTlO1fBVSkjp2kwkJZ4puk= ; Message-ID: <20050227123228.54366.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 04:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200502271120.j1RBKEx01600@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah and its wonderful but be sure to trim the loops before you do anything otherwise it wont work! cheers Luis --- mrweasel wrote: > Deadly > I wonder how I missed that. > Electrix should put it on their website with other > ressources. > > -----Original Message----- > From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] > Sent: samedi 26 février 2005 19:46 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and > OS 2.0 > > > Mr. Weasel wrote: > - Design a software or application that allows you > to create and/or get rid > of the silence before and after the > exported/imported loops: this is > ESSENTIAL! > > > Dude, this so exists already. > > It's called Reputer. Contact this guy: > piggyfinger@yahoo.com > > Stephen > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile > phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 08:03:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RD29P16193; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:02:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:02:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Y/3JqF8LLsK6KQiHAUO40CKAeWn+O7zdrusdF9nI6TX6358Q19lYQBrBSJDFbYE7cUjdgGkrJ6G7kmeiJxYWrZMt0Lu8SIf6J7JJSSG5scUTQiKqpFI6l/hofQnar95cEmsM+duBHEwue3LwCGO5x7Xp75I2xKXrC9Hljhppx+M= ; Message-ID: <20050227130143.81059.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 05:01:43 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5rCEdC.A.O8D.8ScICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bernhard thanx man you made my day this is great!!! cheers Luis --- Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > How does this compare to your last live looping jam: > > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=15614 > > ;) > > Bernhard > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 08:28:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RDPpm19874; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:25:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:25:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=3IOhssfSI/pdj+kuga52fYlVAoFj+biwkvsLpb5Ljr9pIXVF0r6lT3sdV8Znl07cTJHPLzd8UVqkGYIz2ADXyjXcYEL6sVfvj8gwlkG7RxsiRmuNyzyuNTPzYs2ZYl3M7DbGn64U7GGaKwd3HsNNWE/RvkVa61VAo1lDYjpFka4= ; Message-ID: <20050227132431.44897.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 05:24:30 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: turn your PC into a Mac To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1f1.36504ab3.2f522666@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of macs guys you got me all hungry for it so i turned my PC into a mac OSX: http://osx.portraitofakite.com/ and it costs nothing! cheers Luis --- Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/26/05 11:06:34 AM, > Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > > << i will try to work with the USB port and > see what the heck is up with it >> > > Hi > Another thing to keep in mind is that if you play a > cd or dvd on the mac it > will automatically change the monitoring source and > it may not automatically > revert back to a 'Sound In' source if you launch an > audio software editor. > > I've not used USB audio input so I don't know if it > applies, but I nearly > always go in and check the system sound monitoring > source in the control panels > to verify what is currently active. So if Peak or > M-audio use a usb to Sound-in > link then you might need to check that settings have > not been altered by some > previous usage. > > sorry if that is too obvious. > > regards > BobC > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 09:59:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1REvbV32630; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:57:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:57:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=k1gn2MnlfANCxXN1SrGygi5d4Rbxj5Flm1yVFV9xUF0Jv3EHnc533XXlhlv1HAf08Z2b+AVarNAvHaK4pKbQ5BBDenLc3MONqXO5dWMxTKim7Nt2rZLcxPrv475S7EofnHwSNvHIXRQI25cRZUNrVEu9OYPzHI1GugQgU6xDdOQ= ; Message-ID: <20050227145710.22678.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:57:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ha! That's hilarious! Thanks! -t- --- Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > How does this compare to your last live looping jam: > > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=15614 > > ;) > > Bernhard > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 10:15:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RFECx03610; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:14:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:14:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050227151215.02b20130@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:12:20 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: andybutler Subject: Andre LaFosse loop radio Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those of you who never heard of Andre Lafosse, to hear him play and talk go to, http://www.venetowest.com/radio/ Andre demonstrates in no uncertain terms that "building up layers" isn't the only way to make live music with a looping device. for those who do know his playing, this has some very good performances, and an interesting interview. To my ears, Andre has now integrated a lot of the different elements from his work, a free flowing sound which has elements of the "dance beat" type stuff from his "Normalized" cd. Andre appears in the second hour of the program. Thanks to Ronan for making this possible. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 10:56:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RFshQ11960; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:54:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:54:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:01:08 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Andre LaFosse loop radio To: Message-id: <001601c51ce5$8d81a6e0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050227151215.02b20130@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is very interesting listening -- once you've downloaded the show... Which is a 75+MB event. I wish I were on the west coast to see and learn from him. I think he's using SUS on his EDP such that record and overdub are enabled only as long as he presses buttons instead as a "latched on / "latched off." I'm probably saying this all wrong. What's clear is Andre's a very good and creative guitarist foremost, with unique and powerful looping chops. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "andybutler" To: Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: Andre LaFosse loop radio > For those of you who never heard of Andre Lafosse, > to hear him play and talk go to, > > http://www.venetowest.com/radio/ > > Andre demonstrates in no uncertain terms that "building up layers" isn't the > only way to make live music with a looping device. > > for those who do know his playing, this has some very good performances, > and an interesting interview. > To my ears, Andre has now integrated a lot of the different elements from > his work, > a free flowing sound which has elements of the "dance beat" type stuff from > his "Normalized" cd. > > > Andre appears in the second hour of the program. > > Thanks to Ronan for making this possible. > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 10:56:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RFrIO11311; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:53:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:53:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:52:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c51ce4$635d7e80$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 96, in=212, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Guitar: Jazz guitarists are never very happy. Deep inside they want to be rock stars, but they're old and overweight. In protest, they wear their hair long, prowl for groupies, drink a lot, and play too loud. Guitarists hate piano players because they can hit ten notes at once, but guitarists make up for it by playing as fast as they can. The more a guitarist drinks, the higher he turns his amp. Then the drummer starts to play harder, and the trumpeter dips into his loud/high arsenal. Suddenly, the saxophonist's universe crumbles, because he is no longer the most important player on stage. He packs up his horn, nicks his best reed in haste, and storms out of the room. The pianist struggles to suppress a laugh. If you talk to a guitarist during the break he'll ask intimate questions about your 14-year-old sister. " Oh yes, this about describes it! :) I'd say the point about the guitarist and piano player contains a sliver of truth in my experience at jazz jams. Actually, I've never impressed a decent jazz piano player by playing fast, because what a decent key player can do with his right hand (a flamboyant chick corea style player can play pretty damn fast) while comping at the same time with his left hand is difficult to match on a fretboard....however, I've achieved some doubletakes from piano players by playing piano-like, tone cluster chords on the guitar. At one jazz jam, I got a big smile of approval out of a piano player by playing some of these: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/chords/ This is actually an interesting topic, that of guitarists and piano players blending well together in jazz. I've been to a couple of clinics on this topic, and it fairly common that guitar players don't play well with piano players and visa versa...usually the former is the case: they often times don't listen to what the piano player is doing or they play altered/colorized chords over conflicting altered/colorized piano chords, which results in a cocaphony of bad bad tones. Or the guitar player is blowing chops with a bunch of chromatic chord BS, that doesn't relate to the harmonic structure whatsoever. I've seen piano players just stop playing and look at the guitar player as if saying "okay, you want to do this? I'll sit out then." I rarely see ameteur jazz guitar players really listen to the piano player and stop playing when what they are doing doesn't support or compliment what the piano player is doing. They keep playing like they are centers of the universe and they have ear plugs in. Of course this doesn't mean that the piano player has to rule all of the time. It shold be a matter of teamwork. Basically, the good players sit down and talk to each other before a gig or a jam and work a system out. For example, the guitar player may choose to echo piano chords, or play just the big band "chuck a chunk" quarter note style with basic dominant seventh chords (no colorization or alteration). Or they may decide to sit out while one plays the dominant role. This is common. It is really cool to have this relationship with a piano player, and see them take their hands off the keys while you hold the fort down. For some reason, some guitar players think they have to fill up every space with some cool chord or seqence of notes, where you have some egomaniac asshole playing a series of chromatic 13th chords, while the piano player is actually trying to play something tasteful and support the soloist....which brings up the next issue...that of supporting the soloist. Most great jazz pian player REALLY list to the solist and you will hear them complement what the soloist is doing via their chords. For example, if the soloist is playing outside a lot and using a lot of altered tones, the piano player will do the same. Or the piano player will use call and reponse, and echo some of the soloist's phrases, so that it is like a conversation. I rarely see young jazz guitarists do this...even some really good pro players! It's quite shocking that someone could be so self-centered in a jazz context. I sound like I am bashing guitarists here, but I am one and have been guilty of some of these things when I was a beginning jazz guitarist. I had my ass kicked a few times at jazz jams and learned to listen, play nice with others, or just stop playing! I guess this is why I hardly ever find a jazz piano player that doesn't hold some degree of distain for guitarists, but when they do find a guitarist who "gets it" they really appreciate it. Probably the best and most famous depiction of a good relationship between piano player and guitar player in jazz is Bill Evans and Jim Hall, two legendary albums that lay down the standard: Undercurrent and Intermodulation. I highly recommend them! There is a lifetime of learning material in those two CDs. ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 4:17 AM To: Loopers Subject: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams How does this compare to your last live looping jam: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=15614 ;) Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 11:14:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RGCWk17310; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:12:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:12:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:11:44 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Mobius beta 2 refresh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4221F140.9090804@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you downloaded Mobius beta 2 within the last week, please download a new version. A fix introduced in beta 2 broke certain mode transitions causing you to get stuck in modes Replace. Sorry for the inconvenience. Jeff www.zonemobuis.com groups.yahoo.com/groups/zonemobius From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 12:33:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RHWOq30037; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:32:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:32:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=fRUyLB5ACfAu7uFSdafwF/xX2peUpOkCgFM6Bn9xtCYSZ7NyoVQICDBVaeiAWVVl+oHMr3SADSkEsK+HMX30ln/DtorrySwDCfp90TBj2gfdYeIXrLIv7oInvDYSM2ZPsD5Zr1K8FdZaXzOsu+pkMxgU3CSqjmL4rYe89/Tbek8= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:31:45 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre LaFosse loop radio In-Reply-To: <001601c51ce5$8d81a6e0$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050227151215.02b20130@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <001601c51ce5$8d81a6e0$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You don't have to download the show--it can be streamed. On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:01:08 -0500, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > This is very interesting listening -- once you've downloaded the show... > Which is a 75+MB event. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 12:49:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RHlet00344; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:47:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:47:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001601c51ce5$8d81a6e0$0affff0a@hppav> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050227151215.02b20130@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <001601c51ce5$8d81a6e0$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:44:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Andre LaFosse loop radio Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1102596029==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1102596029==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:01 AM -0500 2/27/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >I wish I were on the west coast to see and learn from him. He'll be in New York in mid-March. http://www.altruistmusic.com/news.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1102596029==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Andre LaFosse loop radio

At 11:01 AM -0500 2/27/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote:

I wish I were on the west coast to see and learn from him.

He'll be in New York in mid-March.

http://www.altruistmusic.com/news.html
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--============_-1102596029==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 12:55:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RHrvm01570; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:53:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:53:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:00:25 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Andre LaFosse loop radio To: Message-id: <005101c51cf6$37524c00$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C51CCC.4DC3A260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050227151215.02b20130@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <001601c51ce5$8d81a6e0$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C51CCC.4DC3A260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Andre LaFosse loop radioI'll be in Boston ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Zvonar=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Andre LaFosse loop radio At 11:01 AM -0500 2/27/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: I wish I were on the west coast to see and learn from him. He'll be in New York in mid-March. http://www.altruistmusic.com/news.html --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD =20 (818) 788-2202 =20 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C51CCC.4DC3A260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Andre LaFosse loop radio
I'll be in Boston
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------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C51CCC.4DC3A260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 12:59:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RHut702330; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:56:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:56:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Trusted: Whitelisted Message-ID: <42220A48.3080900@gawab.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:58:32 -0500 From: jacob smoller User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre LaFosse loop radio References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050227151215.02b20130@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <001601c51ce5$8d81a6e0$0affff0a@hppav> <005101c51cf6$37524c00$0affff0a@hppav> In-Reply-To: <005101c51cf6$37524c00$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if you take the fung-wah bus from boston for one of the shows, you might see me on my way to get there! jacob robberdotcom.com David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I'll be in Boston > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Richard Zvonar > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, February 27, 2005 12:44 PM > *Subject:* Re: Andre LaFosse loop radio > > At 11:01 AM -0500 2/27/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >> I wish I were on the west coast to see and learn from him. > > > He'll be in New York in mid-March. > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/news.html > >-- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 13:03:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RI2B405206; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:02:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005101c51cf6$37524c00$0affff0a@hppav> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050227151215.02b20130@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <001601c51ce5$8d81a6e0$0affff0a@hppav> <005101c51cf6$37524c00$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:59:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Andre LaFosse loop radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:00 PM -0500 2/27/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >I'll be in Boston New York is where that big traffic jam is on the way to New Jersey. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 13:09:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RI97q07142; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:09:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:09:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42220CAA.2060108@biink.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:08:42 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre LaFosse loop radio References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050227151215.02b20130@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <001601c51ce5$8d81a6e0$0affff0a@hppav> <005101c51cf6$37524c00$0affff0a@hppav> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7HC_gB.A.PuB.uygICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 1:00 PM -0500 2/27/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >> I'll be in Boston > > > New York is where that big traffic jam is on the way to New Jersey. ...where there's even more traffic jams. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 15:04:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RK2PB14065; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:02:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:02:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.90,120,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="8510459:sNHT20506432" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601c51ce4$635d7e80$6601a8c0@khartung> References: <000601c51ce4$635d7e80$6601a8c0@khartung> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:57:30 -0500 To: , From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Improvisation Ears, Styles, and chops was RE: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -- random thoughts while procrastinating on doing my taxes -- It seems to me that improvisers who pay attention to each other should be able to play together regardless of differences in instruments, styles, techniques and musical knowledge, by bringing big ears to the session and responding at some level to the essence of what each other is doing. IMO Big ears beat big chops any time, and big chops (and musical knowledge in the traditional sense) are a tool, not an end in themselves. I don't listen to much high energy techno any more, but when I did, I often imagined a high energy jazz saxophone improvisor wailing over the beats, with the DJ responding in turn to the sax. The same could be true of looping music. I confess I have a few DAT's sitting around of complex looping sessions with horn playing friends in which I (or they) were processing their sound and looping synths on top and the whole thing turned to mud on listening -- big ears can be challenged when our machines are doing things so complex we can't pick them out, -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 16:04:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RL2QY30882; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:02:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:02:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.183] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Improvisation Ears, Styles, and chops was RE: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:00:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2005 21:01:00.0362 (UTC) FILETIME=[70C54AA0:01C51D0F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The way I prefer to look at it ,being a able to play scales and arpeggios fast,doesn't add up to having chops,that sort of skill tends to lead to so called improv that is merely playing fast permutations of learned patterns over a given rhythmic,chordal framework.Which can of course be really fun to do. But if carpenters showed off their skills the way some musicians do ,all the nails would show and there'd be afuckofalotof 'em The improv skills that I seldom hear discussed are Composition skills,which include well develpoed sense of beginning/middle/end,the ability to tell what is essential and what is embellishment , Daring, problem solving( follows right on the heels of daring) effective use of Space.The ability to work effectively with line,harmony,color,texture, blend/contrast motion,repetition/variation foreground/background,tension/resolution ,motivic development,dynamics, timing,counterpoint,gesture etc. as creative tools. Most of these compositional elements can be employed working with raw sound as well as tuned instruments. An interesting approach to group improv can be to agree in advance on a story,and then try to tell it . It seems to me that improvisers who pay attention to each other should be able to play together regardless of differences in instruments, styles, techniques and musical knowledge, by bringing big ears to the session and responding at some level to the essence of what each other is doing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 16:05:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RL3XG31274; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:03:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:03:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <000601c51ce4$635d7e80$6601a8c0@khartung> References: <000601c51ce4$635d7e80$6601a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3bece46127f7cfcb56048dfaf7898cab@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:06:05 -0500 To: "" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: d0a6d72aa85685aa51182eff55973efb0a9da525759e265433d078c0e11336c7fffd3ca9d08a1f2a29ca3e42375bd564350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.239.225.21 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's another: "We'll Be Together Again" - Pat Martino- guitar/ Gil Goldstein - piano - Paul On Feb 27, 2005, at 10:52 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Probably the best and most famous depiction of a good relationship > between piano player and guitar player in jazz is Bill Evans and Jim > Hall, two legendary albums that lay down the standard: Undercurrent and > Intermodulation. I highly recommend them! There is a lifetime of > learning material in those two CDs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 16:15:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RLDwm02469; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:13:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:13:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: One Redeeming Quality of Solo Looping (was Improvisation Ears) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:13:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcUdB4tcdZc8vtf+SsK/1fH3qCsdOAAB1m7A Message-Id: <20050227211308.YMLI9923.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <3qyny.A.zi.yfjICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems to me that one reason for solo looping is the ability to use your "big ears" to stretch your musical boundaries, in a way that ensemble playing, even with the most gifted musicians, usually does not--they all have their own agendas, and their mind reading is spotty at best. I truly enjoy finding my way in unfamiliar musical situations--but looping while improvising is all of that! I like what Andre said in the Ronan interview (thanks Chris!) at 1:19:10 about "throwing my playing back at myself"--and listening twice as hard as you play! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 16:20:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RLKLc03663; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:20:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:20:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Improvisation Ears, Styles, and chops was RE: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:19:52 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c51d12$138ad690$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 96, in=190, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <_yKAoC.A.Q4.CmjICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone been to any of Cecil Taylor's improv clinics? ...just curious. I'd like to hear about it. It seems like he has a really far out approach to improv in jazz....funny, I remember Bradford Marsalis calling Cecil's stuff self indulgent bullshit on the Ken Burns history of jazz series. Had to laugh when I heard that....definitely shows the differences of opinon when it comes to improvisational approaches. Kris -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 2:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Improvisation Ears, Styles, and chops was RE: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams The way I prefer to look at it ,being a able to play scales and arpeggios fast,doesn't add up to having chops,that sort of skill tends to lead to so called improv that is merely playing fast permutations of learned patterns over a given rhythmic,chordal framework.Which can of course be really fun to do. But if carpenters showed off their skills the way some musicians do ,all the nails would show and there'd be afuckofalotof 'em The improv skills that I seldom hear discussed are Composition skills,which include well develpoed sense of beginning/middle/end,the ability to tell what is essential and what is embellishment , Daring, problem solving( follows right on the heels of daring) effective use of Space.The ability to work effectively with line,harmony,color,texture, blend/contrast motion,repetition/variation foreground/background,tension/resolution ,motivic development,dynamics, timing,counterpoint,gesture etc. as creative tools. Most of these compositional elements can be employed working with raw sound as well as tuned instruments. An interesting approach to group improv can be to agree in advance on a story,and then try to tell it . It seems to me that improvisers who pay attention to each other should be able to play together regardless of differences in instruments, styles, techniques and musical knowledge, by bringing big ears to the session and responding at some level to the essence of what each other is doing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 16:26:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RLOtu04618; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:24:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:24:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.90,120,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="8517308:sNHT20644924" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:10:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: RE: Improvisation Ears, Styles, and chops was RE: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0NFI2D.A.cHB.QqjICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:00 PM -0800 2/27/05, samba - wrote: > The way I prefer to look at it ,being a able to play scales and >arpeggios fast,doesn't add up to having chops,that sort of skill >tends to lead to so called improv that is merely playing fast >permutations of learned patterns over a given rhythmic,chordal >framework.Which can of course be really fun to do. But if carpenters >showed off their skills the way some musicians do ,all the nails >would show and there'd be afuckofalotof 'em Lol-:) Sounds like your definition of chops encompasses my definition of ears. > The improv skills that I seldom hear discussed are Composition >skills,which include well develpoed sense of >beginning/middle/end,the ability to tell what is essential and what >is embellishment , Daring, problem solving( follows right on the >heels of daring) effective use of Space.The ability to work >effectively with line,harmony,color,texture, blend/contrast >motion,repetition/variation foreground/background,tension/resolution >,motivic development,dynamics, timing,counterpoint,gesture etc. as >creative tools. Most of these compositional elements can be employed >working with raw sound as well as tuned instruments. An interesting >approach to group improv can be to agree in advance on a story,and >then try to tell it . > >It seems to me that improvisers who pay attention to each other >should be able to play together regardless of differences in >instruments, styles, techniques and musical knowledge, by bringing >big ears to the session and responding at some level to the essence >of what each other is doing. -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 16:28:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RLQ4o04952; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:26:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:26:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Improvisation Ears, Styles, and chops was RE: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:10:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c51d10$c7313420$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 96, in=189, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <2mALOC.A.kMB.arjICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, BIG dumbo ears are critical. I'd say having big ears is "necessary" to an organic and smooth running jazz machine, yet not always "sufficient" - meaning that if you take away the listening, the organic unit suffers, but just adding the listening component doesn't guarantee the same...especially if egos, clashing personality types, or other idiosyncrasies are at stake. In other words, there all sorts of barriers that can get in the way of listening and acting on the listening. I have a video interview of Miles Davis where he said he was playing in a club with some other jazz musicians...all big hitters...and he remarked that they were all playing as if they were in their own sound isolation booths. All great players, but not really working together...actually competing with each other in a bad way. He walked off the stage and just hung out in the back of the room. This predicament even happens to the big boys. For example, you have one comper playing a series of chromatic chords over another compers ii-V-I chord progression....sounds like shit in the mix...does he hear it, sure...does he care? Now, I'm on to random things....(without the taxes): Here is a hilarious audio clip of drummer Jimmy Cobb describing how Miles complained of Coltrane's long solos. This is one of my favorites: http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/jazz/jp.jcoltrane10.ram Can you imagine improvising over 27 bars of a jazz chorus? You have to have a deep well of ideas and chops to keep that up, and especially if it is a tune that's 300 beats per minute. Cripes..... Here's a transcript of an audio interview of have of Miles on MP3: In order to become a musician, you have to learn a bunch of cliches...if you pick up an instrument, and you learn it, these cliches, these little melodies you've heard will come out... You can tell when people say well I'm gonna play like Charlie Parker used to play...you can tell it's a copy. You know...when I listen to trumpet players, I can tell that they've copied Clifford Brown, or Dizzy, or myself, or Fats....it's not original....sometimes you have to play along time to be able to play like yourself" "play like yourself"...I like that.... I have five MP3 zipped in a 1.4MB file, if anyone wants it. One clip is Miles talking about how he wanted quit every night when playing with Parker, because he played so fast, and leave Davis up on the stage. It's funny as hell. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) [mailto:emile@foryourhead.com] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 12:58 PM To: info@krispenhartung.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Improvisation Ears, Styles, and chops was RE: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams -- random thoughts while procrastinating on doing my taxes -- It seems to me that improvisers who pay attention to each other should be able to play together regardless of differences in instruments, styles, techniques and musical knowledge, by bringing big ears to the session and responding at some level to the essence of what each other is doing. IMO Big ears beat big chops any time, and big chops (and musical knowledge in the traditional sense) are a tool, not an end in themselves. I don't listen to much high energy techno any more, but when I did, I often imagined a high energy jazz saxophone improvisor wailing over the beats, with the DJ responding in turn to the sax. The same could be true of looping music. I confess I have a few DAT's sitting around of complex looping sessions with horn playing friends in which I (or they) were processing their sound and looping synths on top and the whole thing turned to mud on listening -- big ears can be challenged when our machines are doing things so complex we can't pick them out, -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 16:44:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RLhNS08584; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:43:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:43:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.90,120,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="8518854:sNHT20101516" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050227211308.YMLI9923.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050227211308.YMLI9923.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:29:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: One (possibly) Redeeming Quality of Solo Looping (was Improvisation Ears) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My music tends to involve setting up a bunch of simultaneous complex processes and then interacting with them. There is too much going on for me to be in control of each process simultaneously -- so my 'big ears' (such as they are) need to be applied selectively to determine which process can use my attention., which can be let alone, and which has warn out its welcome and need to be stopped or muted. This is a lot easier in a solo situation. At 1:13 PM -0800 2/27/05, Gary Lehmann wrote: >It seems to me that one reason for solo looping is the ability to use your >"big ears" to stretch your musical boundaries, in a way that ensemble >playing, even with the most gifted musicians, usually does not--they all >have their own agendas, and their mind reading is spotty at best. > >I truly enjoy finding my way in unfamiliar musical situations--but looping >while improvising is all of that! > >I like what Andre said in the Ronan interview (thanks Chris!) at 1:19:10 >about "throwing my playing back at myself"--and listening twice as hard as >you play! > >Gary -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 17:12:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RMBQP15561; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:11:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:11:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050227211308.YMLI9923.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: One (possibly) Redeeming Quality of Solo Looping (was Improvisation Ears) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:09:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 27, 2005, at 22:29, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > My music tends to involve setting up a bunch of simultaneous complex > processes and then interacting with them. There is too much going on > for me to be in control of each process simultaneously -- so my 'big > ears' (such as they are) need to be applied selectively to determine > which process can use my attention., which can be let alone, and which > has warn out its welcome and need to be stopped or muted. This is a > lot easier in a solo situation. I like to think about human perception of music as "gestures". No matter the amount of instruments, musicians or looping effect boxes involved - my favorite number of "gestures" is three! In music I like to listen to and play there is optimally three simultaneous gestures going on at the same time. On such gesture can be made up by tremendously complex details of sound, but I don't listen to the complexity at all when improvising. I listen to the gesture and let it accompany my own gestures. This gives that the perfect group for playing free improvisation is three musicians. When you are part of an improvising trio you can pretty much play things that differs from what the other play and it will still come out as meaningful music. As soon as there are more musicians you have to start looking for gestures in music that is not "the noise created by a singular musicians", i.e. musicians have to form cells within the group sound and such a cell should harness the same gesture. This is just what I have found out and it may not be relevant for everyone. But for me it works amazingly well both for composition, improvisation in group and "looping device enhanced group improvisation". In solo live-looping I tend to work on three gestures as well. It's easy to imply two gestures with just one instrument if you play lines in the "questions and answers" manner, and then a looping device can take on the third role. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 17:33:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RMVlH19044; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:31:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:31:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050227162610.213afc90@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:28:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: SooperLooper and sync with Live 4... In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050224141148.105915b0@pine.f5.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:50 PM 2/26/2005, Jesse Chappell wrote: >For any further detailed discussion of SooperLooper, please join the >mailing list at >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sooperlooper-users Ah, I knew that URL had been posted earlier, but I couldn't find the darn thing... Thanks, and see you there!!! :) --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 17:48:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RMlI821538; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:47:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:47:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:53:48 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Improvisation Ears, Styles, and chops was RE: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams To: Message-id: <000401c51d1f$33e58a40$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000601c51ce4$635d7e80$6601a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Emile - I agree. Different musical genres (Rock, Jazz, Classical) are life different musical languages, each with their own way of "saying" things. Just like in life, when you meet people who don't speak your language, communication still happen if each person pays attention to cues and moods. Musical smiling helps! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" To: ; Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Improvisation Ears, Styles, and chops was RE: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams > -- random thoughts while procrastinating on doing my taxes -- > > It seems to me that improvisers who pay attention to each other > should be able to play together regardless of differences in > instruments, styles, techniques and musical knowledge, by bringing > big ears to the session and responding at some level to the essence > of what each other is doing. > > IMO Big ears beat big chops any time, and big chops (and musical > knowledge in the traditional sense) are a tool, not an end in > themselves. > > I don't listen to much high energy techno any more, but when I did, I > often imagined a high energy jazz saxophone improvisor wailing over > the beats, with the DJ responding in turn to the sax. The same could > be true of looping music. > > I confess I have a few DAT's sitting around of complex looping > sessions with horn playing friends in which I (or they) were > processing their sound and looping synths on top and the whole thing > turned to mud on listening -- big ears can be challenged when our > machines are doing things so complex we can't pick them out, > -- > > "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two > opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the > ability to function." > > F. Scott Fitzgerald > > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at > http://www.foryourhead.com > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 17:50:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RMn8j22709; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:49:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:49:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:55:25 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: One Redeeming Quality of Solo Looping (was Improvisation Ears) To: Message-id: <000d01c51d1f$6d597ca0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050227211308.YMLI9923.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I enjoyed this quote too. It nicely summed up what I feel happens in good looping. From: "Gary Lehmann" Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 4:13 PM snip > > I like what Andre said in the Ronan interview (thanks Chris!) at 1:19:10 > about "throwing my playing back at myself"--and listening twice as hard as > you play! > > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 18:14:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RNCuA29440; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:12:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:12:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <143.4021e813.2f53add4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:12:20 EST Subject: Re: Improvisation Ears, Styles, and chops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/27/05 1:20:20 PM, info@krispenhartung.com writes: << funny, I remember Bradford Marsalis calling Cecil's stuff self indulgent bullshit on the Ken Burns history of jazz series. >> Yea, I remember being bothered by his remark, I think it was regarding something about Cecil expecting the audience to do some work and be prepared for difficult listening. Branford's scorn and dismissiveness seemed to ignore the history of jazz development and to be intellectually lazy or perhaps just anti-intellectual. So art is supposed to be instantly familiar and accessible, otherwise it is "elitist" or merely "pretentious"? He apparently is happy to promote a lowest common denominator approach that panders to an audience and is comfortable dissing more adventurous approaches. sigh BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 18:33:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RNWAG01919; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:32:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:32:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c51cc0$28616fe0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents dreamSTATE + mara's torment with General Chaos Visuals Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:33:28 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Wednesday March 2nd - dreamSTATE + mara's torment with General Chaos Visuals Electronic artists dreamSTATE (Scott M2 and Jamie Todd) celebrate the release of their new CD "PASSAGE" with a journey through worlds of shimmering molten eruptions, throbbing machines, surreal dreamscapes & shuddering beats. Writer Lynn Harrigan will also take the stage to read a couple of her poems which inspired soundscapes on the new CD and dreamSTATE's favourite ambient visualists, General Chaos, will be onboard to unleash their mesmerizing analog projections. http://www.dreamstate.to http://www.lynnharrigan.com http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com rik maclean and his sock monkey Sovaak (collectively known as mara's torment) open the night with their 1st live performance in 2005. Having spent the last six months since their last gig traveling the world sampling subway sounds and cat noises, they believe that the time is finally right to come out of seclusion and share the fruits of their labors. http://www.marastorment.com Between Sets CD - "HoVR" by Anomalous Disterbances Sublime soundscaping from Vancouver artist Terry O'Brien using looping guitar as a primary sound source. After a darker opening landscape, the album begins to float and never returns to earth. http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Wed. March 9th - building castles out of matchsticks and Psychosomatic Climax Machine http://www.worthyrecords.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek THE AMBiENT PiNG concert on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 proved to be the high point of an otherwise miserable end-of-February week. Faced with the prospect of trudging back out into the cold, I almost bailed - despite the gentle chiding of my better half about being a fair weather writer. Andrew Aldridge, founder of Planet of the Loops and a guitar/loops/treatments maestro, was joined by Les Cooper, a Hamilton-based guitarist/songwriter/looper, for a brilliant Planet of the Loops session. Together they created a lovely, gathered-around-the-fire vibe for the dedicated PiNG-goers who turned out for the show. Early in the first set, I realized just what I would have missed by staying home: comfort food for the ears. Their music, at times reminiscent of Bill Frisell's "Good Dog, Happy Man" work, traversed a number of emotional planes while remaining rooted in its wistful, groove-driven center. Also on the menu last Wednesday night was a cheeseburger from George's Deli and Barbeque downstairs - the perfect accompaniment to the Steam Whistle lager I selected from Hacienda's improved beer selection. With renovations scheduled to wrap up this weekend, Hacienda is looking good and ready for business. Just in time, too, for dreamSTATE's CD launch party next week. While trying to stay positive despite the snow and cold's refusal to abate, it's nice to know that good things loom on the horizon: longer days, warmer temperatures, an upcoming appearance by my favourite PiNG muse, Sovaak (a Vulcan sock monkey), and a new CD from dreamSTATE. What more could Luna Tek ask for?? More information about Planet Of The Loops is available at: http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews rik is busy preparing for his mara's torment performances this week: Tuesday night 10pm live on the radio on Feedback Monitor (CIUT-93.5FM) and on the internet at http://www.ciut.fm and Wednesday 9:30pm live at THE AMBiENT PiNG. (Note - rik is preparing different music for each performance.) His reviews will return next week. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Wednesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 18:37:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RNaNk03479; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:36:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:36:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.202.168] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000401c51d1f$33e58a40$0affff0a@hppav> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Improvisation Ears, Styles, and chops was RE: Loop Jams vs. Jazz Jams Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:35:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2005 23:36:00.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[17E6E310:01C51D25] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I consider any music style based on 12 tone chromatic scale,and temepered tuning to be one language,and all the subsets to be different dialects or accents,but the words and esp grammer are essentially the same. 5 moving to 1 is essntially the same in this sense wether played by a string quartet,a pedal steel or a screaming guitar.Each may be telling a different story,but the basics of the language are the same. Since I know the basic language I can play with people playing any of these styles,though not necessarily well.But try jamming with someone who plays Peking Opera. Different musical genres (Rock, Jazz, Classical) are life different musical languages, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 18:40:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RNdKU04368; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:39:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:39:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RTAS Plugins / Effects for Guitars / My Brain Hurts Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:38:50 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c51d25$7d89de70$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 96, in=215, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This weekend, I have been exploring the world of virtual computer/software based effects, virtual guitar systems, racks, etc...my brain is about to explode and I feel like I'm drinking from a fire hose. I'm like Dave Bowman on 2001...."MY GOD, IT's FULL OF STARS!" I don't have any doubt that in less than a year, my 8 space rack will be replaced with a slim but powerful laptop for all my tone mangling effects, reverb, chorus, delay, etc...all controlled via MIDI. Who knows, maybe I'll even go with Live and replace my Echoplexes. Anyway, I'm just overwhelmed by the options there are out there, plus how much some of these companies charge for VST and RTAS effect plugins....up to $3000 for some packages! Wow. Since the soundcard on my laptop is such a piece of crap, I decided to explore other temporary options. I did download AudioMulch (thanks to Tony K on our list here) and was impressed with it as a simple "harness" to insert VST plugins, route them like a real effects rack, mix, etc. Since my soundcard is horrific, I am setting that option aside for the time being until I get a new soundcard or laptop. In the meantime, I have been using my Digidesign mBox and ProTools LE, and then finding all sorts of free or demo RTAS effect plugins that will work as plugins in my effects inserts. Unbelievable. I found an RTAS plug in for Lexicon PSP42, and many other demo effects like Antares Kantos, which is capable of producing all sorts of great synth sounds that blow my VF-1 and Boss GT-3 away. And I don't even need to control this stuff via MIDI when I play. I just create an effects AUX fader for each of the effects I use, and then mute or unmute it, with my right hand. I have 5 effect inserts on each of my ProTools faders, plus 5 busses...so feasibly I could have 10 effects plugins ready to mute or un-mute at any time. The mBox method is cool because I can run it through the aux loop of my Mackie mixer board. I will be exploring the possibility of controlling the RTAS effect parameters and changing presets via MIDI, however....if that is possible??? That will be the icing on the cake to make this work for me as a total system. Does anyone have any good places to go to download free RTAS plugins (not VST for now)? I'm looking for a high quality, but simple stereo chorus, reverb, and delay, and eventually pitch shifting and other filter/mod effects. Oh, how I long for the day of not carring gigantor racks to my gigs. I'm dreaming of the day when I can walk into a gig like Kid Beyond (who sang and looped at Y2K4 last year) with my guitar, two powered PA speakers, a laptop, and a MIDI controller on the floor. I'm even ready to buy a new commercial, centrino notebook in the next 6 months to make all this work. I'm just blown away by the quality of these plugin effects, and how they make a graphical depiction of an actual effects unit with nobs, etc. That's just the cat's meow. ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 18:43:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1RNfOi05143; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:41:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:41:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.202.168] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <143.4021e813.2f53add4@aol.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Improvisation Ears, Styles, and chops Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:40:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2005 23:41:00.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[CABC2310:01C51D25] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting,I saw most of an audience ,who loved Chuck Mangione's set walk out on Branford,cause they couldn't understand what he was playing.But what he played was stellar.If I just listened to either Brnford and Wynton like to throw around provacative opinions,even about each other,good thing they can blow. Yea, I remember being bothered by his remark, I think it was regarding something about Cecil expecting the audience to do some work and be prepared for difficult listening. Branford's scorn and dismissiveness seemed to ignore the history of jazz development and to be intellectually lazy or perhaps just anti-intellectual. So art is supposed to be instantly familiar and accessible, otherwise it is "elitist" or merely "pretentious"? He apparently is happy to promote a lowest common denominator approach that panders to an audience and is comfortable dissing more adventurous approaches. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 19:28:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1S0Qae15544; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:26:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:26:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gIYBMaOx99J6LLetSNYfd5cKt7vvySbGByhVVVIqaR3Nnga1B2WkcvFj/tC6ogQfY28/LmEqN8g3GdXVBWf6eYDxbRNZEqjekxItOqQ5qHGAL4odKmlyNS//Chin3vGL3SiBTZaYEOL9H43Dh3+S9zF0rPeOUtc0p0qxfW1DwmM= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:25:54 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: One (possibly) Redeeming Quality of Solo Looping (was Improvisation Ears) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050227211308.YMLI9923.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm with Per on this one. On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:09:57 +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > On Feb 27, 2005, at 22:29, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > > > I like to think about human perception of music as "gestures". No > matter the amount of instruments, musicians or looping effect boxes > involved - my favorite number of "gestures" is three! In music I like > to listen to and play there is optimally three simultaneous gestures > going on at the same time. On such gesture can be made up by > tremendously complex details of sound, but I don't listen to the > complexity at all when improvising. I listen to the gesture and let it > accompany my own gestures. > > This gives that the perfect group for playing free improvisation is > three musicians. When you are part of an improvising trio you can > pretty much play things that differs from what the other play and it > will still come out as meaningful music. As soon as there are more > musicians you have to start looking for gestures in music that is not > "the noise created by a singular musicians", i.e. musicians have to > form cells within the group sound and such a cell should harness the > same gesture. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 20:28:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1S1RqI28900; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:27:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:27:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:34:10 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: One (possibly) Redeeming Quality of Solo Looping (was Improvisation Ears) To: Message-id: <000c01c51d35$9b081ec0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050227211308.YMLI9923.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I see what you're saying, and I agree in so far as I understand what you're pointing at. However, to your three gestures, I'd like to add a fourth -- a non-moving or very slow moving gesture. Moving slowly, the listener need not focus on it too. The hard thing is finding a person who is good at sitting in that space in an improv. Of course, really this is all just playing with ideas. :-) It's the music comes that out we care about most. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: Re: One (possibly) Redeeming Quality of Solo Looping (was Improvisation Ears) > I'm with Per on this one. > > > On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:09:57 +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Feb 27, 2005, at 22:29, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > > > > > > > I like to think about human perception of music as "gestures". No > > matter the amount of instruments, musicians or looping effect boxes > > involved - my favorite number of "gestures" is three! In music I like > > to listen to and play there is optimally three simultaneous gestures > > going on at the same time. On such gesture can be made up by > > tremendously complex details of sound, but I don't listen to the > > complexity at all when improvising. I listen to the gesture and let it > > accompany my own gestures. > > > > This gives that the perfect group for playing free improvisation is > > three musicians. When you are part of an improvising trio you can > > pretty much play things that differs from what the other play and it > > will still come out as meaningful music. As soon as there are more > > musicians you have to start looking for gestures in music that is not > > "the noise created by a singular musicians", i.e. musicians have to > > form cells within the group sound and such a cell should harness the > > same gesture. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 20:47:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1S1jrM31869; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:45:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:45:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050222124053.11b946f0@gemini.lunarpages.com> References: <20050222.053739.6472.149093@webmail28.nyc.untd.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050222124053.11b946f0@gemini.lunarpages.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <46082920-892A-11D9-B2FD-000A956F605C@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: optigan Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:44:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm tired of paying for storage space for this unit, so it's up for sale. i'm in southeast ohio, so i'd prefer to have it picked up. optigan- with 15 or so discs. the weirdest, lo-fi, granny approved, optical-sample playing keyboard ever made for home entertainment. talk about loops... best/soonest offer takes it. peace monk@fuse.net i'm also getting rid of some vintage guitar parts, a rick turner renaissance guitar and a few boutique guitar pedals... email me OFF-LIST for any of this stuff. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 20:52:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1S1o4A00754; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:50:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:50:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:48:13 -0800 Subject: Re: Improvisation Ears, Styles, and chops From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <143.4021e813.2f53add4@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unbelievable that cecil and branford are mentioned together on *this* list!! being a lowlee food service waiter in my day(actually nite!) job, i have had the pleasure of waiting on both of these giants of jazz...this was a while ago- branford and marsalis were staying in a room together here at the sfhyatt and they were congenial as hell fwiw.... i had just returned from a concert by cecil and i was waiting on him and he asked what i thought of the show...i told him i was 'enthralled' and he liked that-there were a bunch o' hangers on-like he was JIMI er somebody... and that, dr. and everybody is as a meaningless a post as i can muster. btw i am not bothered by anyones remarks about anything. i think it adds to the whole bouliabaise(dont know how to spell that) of music-its meaning and the beauty of it all... ymmv s > > In a message dated 2/27/05 1:20:20 PM, info@krispenhartung.com writes: > > << funny, I remember Bradford Marsalis > calling Cecil's stuff self indulgent bullshit on the Ken Burns history > of jazz series. >> > > > Yea, I remember being bothered by his remark, I think it was regarding > something about Cecil expecting the audience to do some work and be prepared > for > difficult listening. > > Branford's scorn and dismissiveness seemed to ignore the history of jazz > development and to be intellectually lazy or perhaps just anti-intellectual. > So > art is supposed to be instantly familiar and accessible, otherwise it is > "elitist" or merely "pretentious"? He apparently is happy to promote a lowest > common > denominator approach that panders to an audience and is comfortable dissing > more adventurous approaches. > > sigh > > > BobC > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 21:10:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1S29Nw06557; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:09:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:09:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=BLwyDqBsdLsb2+vVjDDju456Wjj9IIUKPjCVUraBbnZ1kurqA27jYF3VYuSTat9r; Message-ID: <410-22005212821734290@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: the music of the Otto Cycle Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this looper? Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:17:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b877fc0ad22ba2a7613cd180a45daa31350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.149 Resent-Message-ID: <997baB.A.plB.B1nICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool story. Good engine/exhaust sounds can make even an otherwise boring car exciting (no disrespect meant towards the New Beetle)! ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > To: > Date: 2/27/2005 6:32:46 AM > Subject: AW: the music of the Otto Cycle Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this looper? > > I remember this project done by Volkswagen during the development of the > New Beetle. They would invite people (VW customers without any > professional automotive background). They had two cars: one normal car, > one where the audio system would generate cool engine/exhaust sounds > based on engine variables - which they didn't tell their guests. Then > they asked the guys to compare both cars with regards to performance and > handling. > > You all can guess the result: most people judged that the car with the > audio system had better performance and handling ;) > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Februar 2005 02:57 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: the music of the Otto Cycle Re: Who out there has the knowledge > to design/build this looper? > > > As a car freak *and* a musician, I feel that car exhaust can be just as > harmonically complex as a more traditional instrument. When Mazda was > developing the first-gen Miata, they had a guy listening day-in/day-out > to tapes of classic sports cars, trying to understand the desired > overtones so that his cowokers could then approximate them. They had > that much respect for the sound. > > I, for one, am impressed. > > In fact, a few years ago I saw one of the classic cars they had been > studying so feverishly, an Austin Healey, blasting down Rte 128, and I > rolled down my window to hear the music. It sounded like the wonderful > 15th-fret harmonic chord that Robbie Krieger used to start the Doors' > "L.A. Woman." Unbelievable. > > Yours in Sound, > Tim Mungenast > www.mungenast.com > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Richard Zvonar > > To: > > Date: 2/26/2005 2:05:52 PM > > Subject: Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this > > looper? > > > > At 10:03 AM +0100 2/26/05, Chuck Scholtz wrote: > > > > >Two things we want everyone to know. > > > > > >First, we researched the existing availability of products as well > > >as doing a patent search, but we couldn't locate an existing patent > > >for the project that we have envisioned. > > > > >Second, the "music" in an exhaust system is much less complex than > > >in actual musical instruments, accordingly our quality expectations > > >and specifications are minimal for our product application. Due to > > >the higher costs and skills required in using a Physical Modeling > > >(PM) approach, we are looking to handle this project with a less > > >expensive FM Wavetable synthesis strategy. > > > > It may well be that products based on the technology I mentioned have > > not yet hit market, but as of 2000 the physical modeling techniques > > for car engine simulation were functional and ready for licensing. > > The company has since been acquired by a major chip manufacturer, and > > I expect that car engines are low on their priority list. > > -- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > (818) 788-2202 > > http://www.zvonar.com > > http://salamandersongs.com > > http://ill-wind.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 21:22:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1S2LDY08529; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:21:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:21:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.90,120,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="8542942:sNHT21589274" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050227211308.YMLI9923.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:10:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: One (possibly) Redeeming Quality of Solo Looping (was Improvisation Ears) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <829KiD.A.aCC.BAoICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:09 PM +0100 2/27/05, Per Boysen wrote: >On Feb 27, 2005, at 22:29, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > >>My music tends to involve setting up a bunch of simultaneous >>complex processes and then interacting with them. There is too much >>going on for me to be in control of each process simultaneously -- >>so my 'big ears' (such as they are) need to be applied selectively >>to determine which process can use my attention., which can be let >>alone, and which has warn out its welcome and need to be stopped or >>muted. This is a lot easier in a solo situation. > > >I like to think about human perception of music as "gestures". No >matter the amount of instruments, musicians or looping effect boxes >involved - my favorite number of "gestures" is three! In music I >like to listen to and play there is optimally three simultaneous >gestures going on at the same time. On such gesture can be made up >by tremendously complex details of sound, but I don't listen to the >complexity at all when improvising. I listen to the gesture and let >it accompany my own gestures. > >This gives that the perfect group for playing free improvisation is >three musicians. When you are part of an improvising trio you can >pretty much play things that differs from what the other play and it >will still come out as meaningful music. As soon as there are more >musicians you have to start looking for gestures in music that is >not "the noise created by a singular musicians", i.e. musicians have >to form cells within the group sound and such a cell should harness >the same gesture. In terms of the ideal size group for free improvisation, I agree that 3 is a magic number. 3 different voices gives variety and avoids the (often interesting, but also often self- conscious) exposure of a duet or solo. At the same time, it is few enough to avoid the 'everywhere dense' (to take a math term out of context) feeling unless one of the players consciously chooses density. With more than 3, unless the players consciously restrain themselves, the music often stays too dense for too long for my tastes. Perhaps this agreeing about 3 gestures being an optimum number -- though it depends partly on the definition of gesture. (E.g. in a jazz quartet, say piano, bass, drums , each player is at least physically independent, and the piano player and drummer can do more than one gesture at once. If the gestures are mostly independent, more than 3 are very hard to keep track of, and the music is often perceived as an overall density rather than as independent gestures. If a jazz or rock band is improvising off of a structure (groove, tune, whatever), there can be a lot of different gestures going on at once. (a good drummer can have 3 going by himself), but, because the gestures are all related, it is easier to perceive more of them at once, and easier to pick out 3 (or fewer) to focus on without the others seeming distracting. At 8:34 PM -0500 2/27/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >However, to your three gestures, I'd like to add a fourth -- a non-moving or >very slow moving gesture. Moving slowly, the listener need not focus on it >too. The hard thing is finding a person who is good at sitting in that >space in an improv. Slow moving gestures (like related gestures) take less 'room' in the listeners's brain, and so can be accommodated more easily. -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 22:11:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1S39R417658; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:09:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:09:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v710) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: Ethel concert in Los Angeles Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:08:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.710) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: sphere X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - megs15.100mwh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sonosphere.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 26, 2005, at 22:57, Richard Zvonar wrote: > Andre LaFosse and I attended the Ethel concert in Los Angeles this > afternoon. It was insanely great! > > Ethel is the string quartet to which list-member Todd Reynolds > belongs. Most of you are probably aware of Todd's activities as a > looper, and if you're lucky you may even have heard him play (he's a > monster). Though it would be a stretch to call Ethel a "conventional" > string quartet, they have the chops and musical sensitivity to > impress classical and contemporary music audiences alike. I was > certainly knocked out! > Thanks for the pointer! Caught them up in Berkeley this afternoon and very much enjoyed the show. And the program told us that Keith Jarrett / Gary Peacock / Jack DeJohnette will be there March 9. I might drive over highway 17 to hear Rick Walker right now but I just got back from Berkeley (an hour in the other direction) and it is raining very hard ... Doug -- Doug Wyatt http://www.sonosphere.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 27 22:33:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1S3VZl21317; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:31:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:31:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=FwwGzoYDyw9WePY+Ae7BE462e0mRnbyAivHr+86EBPklIsmtHC9N0qFivEkPr92wOndApJ+fPFdgksV+n1zYfy0fNt+1UJ2GRR38mrfklIH7yEJPCYv35kC05MLLELUh6Zwf5TeIWH0ot65aDbe0ODdzNSDOkTAe08Mu2KFhlsY= ; Message-ID: <20050228033047.45053.qmail@web41129.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:30:47 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: re: PCM 80 mem upgrade, (and more) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was able to get a pair(2) of 4meg SIMMs -mail order. Installed them, moved the jumper, powered up...and it's done. works. About the timimg issue (or lack of)I don't know if this is of help, but I found this. I'm copy/pasting here: ------------------------------- quote:JingleJungle said: I have purchased a Peavey PC1600x controller which I am happily using as a LARC unit for my lexicon PCM81. Sweet! I use a Peavey PC1600x with my Lexicon PCM-81 as well. [Smile] quote:JingleJungle said: The only thing I cannot manage to send is a value for MIDI tempo. I can tell the Lexicon to receive the tempo via a CC message but still it isn’t reading it. The Lexicon PCM-81 Tempo Source (location 0.2 in the matrix) may be set via one of three methods: 1. internal rate (location 0.0 in the matrix) 2. front panel tap button 3. incoming MIDI clock Note that MIDI CC is not a valid source with which to set the tempo of the PCM-81. (pp. 2-19 through 2-20 in the manual.) quote:JingleJungle said: The PCM81 is supposed to read the 0-127 MIDI range and apply it to its 40-400 bpm clock but somehow it isn’t happening... Actually, the PCM-81 can use Tempo Rate as a source in its modulation matrix, and it maps the 40-400 tempo to a range of 0-127, but the reverse is not true. (p. 5-7 in the manual.) Also, if you go into your mod matrix and choose a MIDI CC as a source for one of your mod routings, notice that Tempo Rate is not an available destination for the routing. In short, there is no way to control the Lexicon PCM-81’s tempo by means of a MIDI CC value. however... [Big Grin] Since the PC-1600x can send MIDI SysEx, we can use it to control the PCM-81 tempo...it just gets a little more complicated. [Wink] (btw, this should work for a PCM-80 also, but since I do not own on of those, I cannot confirm it.) First, we need to make sure the PCM-81 is set to be controlled via SysEx. Check to make sure the following are set properly in the PCM-81 matrix: Control Mode (1.2) System Tempo Mode = GLOBAL Control Mode (3.1) MIDI Receive = OMNI Control Mode (3.4) MIDI Automation = ON Control Mode (3.4) MIDI Target ID = ALL (127)** Control Mode (3.7) MIDI SysEx = RECEIVE ON Control Mode (3.7) MIDI Device ID = 0** ** use the Load/* key to access these params when positioned at the address in the matrix...e.g., (3.4) will toggle between MIDI Automation and MIDI Target ID. Now move to the Peavey PC-1600x. In the setup you have built, select and edit the fader you were trying to use for tempo. Change its settings to these: Function: String String Sequence: F0 06 07 dv 0B 00 20 00 pr pr pr pr F7 Min: 0 Max: 360 Param Format: 4Byte, Nibs, lo->hi Name: Tempo (or whatever you like) Here is how the string is defined: F0 = SysEx message ID 06 = Lexicon ID 07 = PCM-80 ID (81 will also recognize this) dv = Device ID 0B 00 = SysEx Message Type = Parameter Dump 20 00 = Global Tempo Value pr pr pr pr = lo to hi nibble-ized Decimal Tempo Value F7 = SysEx End-of-Message (note that in the hexadecimal string, the “0” glyph is a numeric zero, not the letter “O.”) Save that and give it a go. Movement of the fader in question should change the tempo, and you will see the number inc/dec if you are in the Tempo Mode, (0.0) Rate location in the matrix. You should also see the tempo LED blink rate change (if you have it set to blink). Hope that helps! [Smile] blesséd be, aeon ---------------- reLOOPOOLer <<>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 01:27:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1S6PDf23138; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:25:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:25:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ovGdS/HqV32PR5mXM3IYrX/tdq3TAQZbAY+qGLtW9OTydjG6yAlozVBS61RPgvenwK4wROnggjQEg6HX2VFGLIk7e/NZPW8DAkfc7CvluMWB7Qkzt7VE46a83nd171PLe2+o/AduFzihCS6D0lRy7o4nUWTAhJ6Ssoz2ZZ861J8= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:24:26 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig Spam: Travis Hartnett in Portland, Seattle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A rare Portland appearance this week, the beginning of my regular first-Friday at the Essential Cafe, and Saturday night at the very pleasant Orrapin's, all in Seattle. Acoustic guitar live looping at the following venues: Tuesday, March 1, the Living Room in Fremont (4301 Fremont Avenue) 7-9PM Thursday, March 3, Red & Black Cafe (2138 SE Division, Portland, Oregon) 7PM Friday, March 4, Essential Cafe (1604 N. 34th Street) 7:30PM Saturday, March 5, Orrapin (2208 Queen Anne Ave N.) 7PM Sunday, March 6, Penny Cafe (1701 NW Market) 11AM-1PM brunch Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 02:56:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1S7rji02959; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:53:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:53:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050228033047.45053.qmail@web41129.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050228033047.45053.qmail@web41129.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: PCM 80 mem upgrade, (and more) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:52:57 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 27, 2005, at 9:30 PM, Randy Leifer wrote: > Save that and give it a go. Movement of the fader in > question should change the tempo, and you will see the > number inc/dec if you are in the Tempo Mode, (0.0) setting the tempo of the PCM-80 works well for short delay times (less than a bar) but if you're trying to do looping it doesn't calculate the tempo accurately enough. it will drift out of sync against Numerology or Digital Performer. i have not tried it with the TR-909 but the 909 doesn't really accurately calculate tempo either. however, if you calculate bar length values in seconds.milliseconds at one and 16 bars and then use the Adjust parameter to set the bar length from 1 to 16 indexed to your one and sixteen bar values it maintains reasonable sync with Numerology to last a 13 minute song. this is, however, a lot of work. i've got an Appleworks spreadsheet around here that has a whole slew of bar values in it to help me with this. if anyone wants this to aid in PCM-80 programming let me know and i'll put it on my site. even with the spreadsheet it is still a lot of work. :) --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 04:11:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1S99R820728; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 04:09:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 04:09:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.5.125] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: One (possibly) Redeeming Quality of Solo Looping (was Improvisation Ears) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:08:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2005 09:09:00.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[23FE3A90:01C51D75] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In certain Haitian Vodun drumming traditions 3 is considered to have very important mystical significance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 05:36:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1SAY1a03793; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 05:34:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 05:34:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c51d80$948e2490$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20050228033047.45053.qmail@web41129.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: PCM 80 mem upgrade, (and more) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:30:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Randy could you tell me where you got the pcm80 simms mail order Thanks Claude >I was able to get a pair(2) of 4meg SIMMs -mail order. > Installed them, moved the jumper, powered up...and > it's done. works. > > About the timimg issue (or lack of)I don't know if > this is of help, but I found this. I'm copy/pasting > here: > ------------------------------- > quote:JingleJungle said: > I have purchased a Peavey PC1600x controller which > I am happily using as a LARC unit for my lexicon > PCM81. > > Sweet! I use a Peavey PC1600x with my Lexicon PCM-81 > as well. [Smile] > > quote:JingleJungle said: > The only thing I cannot manage to send is a value > for MIDI tempo. I can tell the Lexicon to receive the > tempo via a CC message but still it isn't reading it. > > The Lexicon PCM-81 Tempo Source (location 0.2 in the > matrix) may be set via one of three methods: > > 1. internal rate (location 0.0 in the matrix) > 2. front panel tap button > 3. incoming MIDI clock > > Note that MIDI CC is not a valid source with which to > set the tempo of the PCM-81. (pp. 2-19 through 2-20 in > the manual.) > > quote:JingleJungle said: > The PCM81 is supposed to read the 0-127 MIDI range > and apply it to its 40-400 bpm clock but somehow it > isn't happening... > > Actually, the PCM-81 can use Tempo Rate as a source in > its modulation matrix, and it maps the 40-400 tempo to > a range of 0-127, but the reverse is not true. (p. 5-7 > in the manual.) > > Also, if you go into your mod matrix and choose a MIDI > CC as a source for one of your mod routings, notice > that Tempo Rate is not an available destination for > the routing. > > In short, there is no way to control the Lexicon > PCM-81's tempo by means of a MIDI CC value. > > however... [Big Grin] > > Since the PC-1600x can send MIDI SysEx, we can use it > to control the PCM-81 tempo...it just gets a little > more complicated. [Wink] (btw, this should work for a > PCM-80 also, but since I do not own on of those, I > cannot confirm it.) > > First, we need to make sure the PCM-81 is set to be > controlled via SysEx. Check to make sure the following > are set properly in the PCM-81 matrix: > > Control Mode (1.2) System Tempo Mode = GLOBAL > Control Mode (3.1) MIDI Receive = OMNI > Control Mode (3.4) MIDI Automation = ON > Control Mode (3.4) MIDI Target ID = ALL (127)** > Control Mode (3.7) MIDI SysEx = RECEIVE ON > Control Mode (3.7) MIDI Device ID = 0** > > ** use the Load/* key to access these params when > positioned at the address in the matrix...e.g., (3.4) > will toggle between MIDI Automation and MIDI Target > ID. > > Now move to the Peavey PC-1600x. In the setup you have > built, select and edit the fader you were trying to > use for tempo. Change its settings to these: > > Function: String > String Sequence: F0 06 07 dv 0B 00 20 00 pr pr pr pr > F7 > Min: 0 > Max: 360 > Param Format: 4Byte, Nibs, lo->hi > Name: Tempo (or whatever you like) > > Here is how the string is defined: > > F0 = SysEx message ID > 06 = Lexicon ID > 07 = PCM-80 ID (81 will also recognize this) > dv = Device ID > 0B 00 = SysEx Message Type = Parameter Dump > 20 00 = Global Tempo Value > pr pr pr pr = lo to hi nibble-ized Decimal Tempo Value > F7 = SysEx End-of-Message > > (note that in the hexadecimal string, the "0" glyph is > a numeric zero, not the letter "O.") > > Save that and give it a go. Movement of the fader in > question should change the tempo, and you will see the > number inc/dec if you are in the Tempo Mode, (0.0) > Rate location in the matrix. You should also see the > tempo LED blink rate change (if you have it set to > blink). > > Hope that helps! [Smile] > > blesséd be, > aeon > ---------------- > reLOOPOOLer > <<>> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 11:57:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1SGstA10277; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:54:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:54:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=m+19fzlZEbjFYrGI/sRZefwOQNtsVoWhhJcvosjXiEeV8V/OeQ++2h/hVBN4392COV2Wj1CrrLwbCr5uTiwJaMZmCR2KgwLhozHFlD8rZCZyGROh44gqin2Xk2cUcSY902DUYQmViCx+C862tCbfLsfO2auoiEZO5vxfbWoklwA= ; Message-ID: <20050228165421.5428.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:54:21 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Re: PCM 80 mem upgrade, (and more) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006d01c51d80$948e2490$0100a8c0@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These are the ones I used. Tell them you need a pair that match, or are at least from the same manufacturer(just to be safe). I got 4 modules , and two of them were different from the other two. The PCM only uses 2. http://www.memoryx.net/pc7-2594.html =RANDY= --- Claude Voit wrote: > Randy > > could you tell me where you got the pcm80 simms mail > order > > Thanks > > Claude > > > >I was able to get a pair(2) of 4meg SIMMs -mail > order. > > Installed them, moved the jumper, powered up...and > > it's done. works. > > > > About the timimg issue (or lack of)I don't know if > > this is of help, but I found this. I'm > copy/pasting > > here: > > ------------------------------- > > quote:JingleJungle said: > > I have purchased a Peavey PC1600x controller > which > > I am happily using as a LARC unit for my lexicon > > PCM81. > > > > Sweet! I use a Peavey PC1600x with my Lexicon > PCM-81 > > as well. [Smile] > > > > quote:JingleJungle said: > > The only thing I cannot manage to send is a > value > > for MIDI tempo. I can tell the Lexicon to receive > the > > tempo via a CC message but still it isn't reading > it. > > > > The Lexicon PCM-81 Tempo Source (location 0.2 in > the > > matrix) may be set via one of three methods: > > > > 1. internal rate (location 0.0 in the matrix) > > 2. front panel tap button > > 3. incoming MIDI clock > > > > Note that MIDI CC is not a valid source with which > to > > set the tempo of the PCM-81. (pp. 2-19 through > 2-20 in > > the manual.) > > > > quote:JingleJungle said: > > The PCM81 is supposed to read the 0-127 MIDI > range > > and apply it to its 40-400 bpm clock but somehow > it > > isn't happening... > > > > Actually, the PCM-81 can use Tempo Rate as a > source in > > its modulation matrix, and it maps the 40-400 > tempo to > > a range of 0-127, but the reverse is not true. (p. > 5-7 > > in the manual.) > > > > Also, if you go into your mod matrix and choose a > MIDI > > CC as a source for one of your mod routings, > notice > > that Tempo Rate is not an available destination > for > > the routing. > > > > In short, there is no way to control the Lexicon > > PCM-81's tempo by means of a MIDI CC value. > > > > however... [Big Grin] > > > > Since the PC-1600x can send MIDI SysEx, we can use > it > > to control the PCM-81 tempo...it just gets a > little > > more complicated. [Wink] (btw, this should work > for a > > PCM-80 also, but since I do not own on of those, I > > cannot confirm it.) > > > > First, we need to make sure the PCM-81 is set to > be > > controlled via SysEx. Check to make sure the > following > > are set properly in the PCM-81 matrix: > > > > Control Mode (1.2) System Tempo Mode = GLOBAL > > Control Mode (3.1) MIDI Receive = OMNI > > Control Mode (3.4) MIDI Automation = ON > > Control Mode (3.4) MIDI Target ID = ALL (127)** > > Control Mode (3.7) MIDI SysEx = RECEIVE ON > > Control Mode (3.7) MIDI Device ID = 0** > > > > ** use the Load/* key to access these params when > > positioned at the address in the matrix...e.g., > (3.4) > > will toggle between MIDI Automation and MIDI > Target > > ID. > > > > Now move to the Peavey PC-1600x. In the setup you > have > > built, select and edit the fader you were trying > to > > use for tempo. Change its settings to these: > > > > Function: String > > String Sequence: F0 06 07 dv 0B 00 20 00 pr pr pr > pr > > F7 > > Min: 0 > > Max: 360 > > Param Format: 4Byte, Nibs, lo->hi > > Name: Tempo (or whatever you like) > > > > Here is how the string is defined: > > > > F0 = SysEx message ID > > 06 = Lexicon ID > > 07 = PCM-80 ID (81 will also recognize this) > > dv = Device ID > > 0B 00 = SysEx Message Type = Parameter Dump > > 20 00 = Global Tempo Value > > pr pr pr pr = lo to hi nibble-ized Decimal Tempo > Value > > F7 = SysEx End-of-Message > > > > (note that in the hexadecimal string, the "0" > glyph is > > a numeric zero, not the letter "O.") > > > > Save that and give it a go. Movement of the fader > in > > question should change the tempo, and you will see > the > > number inc/dec if you are in the Tempo Mode, (0.0) > > Rate location in the matrix. You should also see > the > > tempo LED blink rate change (if you have it set to > > blink). > > > > Hope that helps! [Smile] > > > > blesséd be, > > aeon > > ---------------- > > reLOOPOOLer > > <<>> > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 12:17:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1SHG8A15583; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:16:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:16:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=DSXUhTQU3rYMr74CUGSK+HOK8UQgqDVIcD29qVLivJvFndkxx4x/wiP6IzCzeE9XHkx1dphkr2FxJa3YAI8yIYCvV6eBrAozBjC2Vm28EhGoyLfgmA+Q23nlrduY7aoUZC1hAU8dGB7R7GLAvIc+NGyTOxcFLq79RXM+3TIjUag= ; Message-ID: <20050228171548.34225.qmail@web20427.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:15:48 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: the un-uberlooper-20 sec delays, teaching old dog new tricks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-669304358-1109610948=:34001" Resent-Message-ID: <_taOcB.A.zyD.FH1ICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-669304358-1109610948=:34001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii so w/ all the recent talk of tape loops last week, i was wanting to experiement more w/ my old ('87) tascam porta05, but found out it's officially dead. so i took my radioshack 20 sec loop tape (that's been recorded over and over a bit) and did random samples from one of my guitar loop cds and played around w/ that in my cheapo walmart boom box and got some decent results....then i decided to give the "do some illegal sampling thing" a try since i've never done it, and got out the rolling stone 500 cd sampler i got when i bought that issue of rs, and randomly sampled a 1-2 sec bit of each song on there (norah jones, who, billy joel, and other classics...) and did a 2nd track experimenting w/ that and got decent results, nothing rhythmic, just 20 sec tape loop repeating and i did sample bits to my dodd-12 sampler for reverse stuff, then i decided to try what i remember was big w/ the urban rappers in 80's, i guess it's the tape version of vinyl scratching, just gently hitting the "play" button but not fully hitting it, and it gives kind of a "tape scratch" start -stop feel, well, i processed that through my alesis ineko, my ibanez de-7 delay (2.6 sec) and it went to my lexixon mpx100. i must say that there is an endless supply of sounds available w/ that simple setup, gave me the feel of what a looping dj must do and have fun w/...didn't pick my guitar up for about 30 min, quite fun. the joy you can get w/ cheap ole analog gear..... teaching an old dog new tricks i guess, and ug, i turn 41 today.....i have officially been playing guitar for more than 1/2 my life (and shouldn't i be better?). oh well. happy day to all... s---- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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so w/ all the recent talk of tape loops last week, i was wanting to experiement
more w/ my old ('87) tascam porta05, but found out it's officially dead. so i took
my radioshack 20 sec loop tape (that's been recorded over and over a bit) and did
random samples from one of my guitar loop cds and played around w/ that in my
cheapo walmart boom box and got some decent results....then i decided to give
the "do some illegal sampling thing" a try since i've never done it, and got out the
rolling stone 500 cd sampler i got when i bought that issue of rs, and randomly sampled
a 1-2 sec bit of each song on there (norah jones, who, billy joel, and other classics...)
and did a 2nd track experimenting w/ that and got decent results, nothing rhythmic, just
20 sec tape loop repeating and i did sample bits to my dodd-12 sampler for reverse stuff,
then i decided to try what i remember was big w/ the urban rappers in 80's, i guess it's the tape version of vinyl scratching, just gently hitting the "play" button but not fully hitting it,
and it gives kind of a "tape scratch" start -stop feel, well, i processed that through my alesis ineko, my ibanez de-7 delay (2.6 sec) and it went to my lexixon mpx100. i must say that there is an endless supply of sounds available w/ that simple setup, gave me the feel of what a looping dj must do and have fun w/...didn't pick my guitar up for about 30 min, quite fun.
the joy you can get w/ cheap ole analog gear.....
teaching an old dog new tricks i guess, and ug, i turn 41 today.....i have officially been playing guitar for more than 1/2 my life (and shouldn't i be better?). oh well. happy day to all...
s----

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Manage less. --0-669304358-1109610948=:34001-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 12:28:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1SHQiY17430; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:26:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:26:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050228171548.34225.qmail@web20427.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050228171548.34225.qmail@web20427.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5810a84f72b9b930336d56ce659223a1@sccadv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: the un-uberlooper-20 sec delays, teaching old dog new tricks Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:26:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ug, i turn 41 today.....i have officially been playing guitar for more > than 1/2 my life (and shouldn't i be better?). Happy Birthday - I'm in the same boat and ask myself that same question. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 12:28:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1SHQhI17352; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:26:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:26:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: c179a0b1d7a3bd710fbc2e96bd9c1f94 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:59:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: very different functions of music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com to understand the purpose of the music we are making we could maybe ask first what it should help the listener to concentrate on: 1 ambience / airport / exposition / shop / soundtrack -> Sensation 2 partner / the party / animating lyrics / dance -> Body / Emotion 3 himself / inconscious / universe -> Soul 4 music itself / philosophy / interesting lyrics -> Mind / discipline / faith obviously those aims can be combined to some degree. 1 and 3 are usually instrumental and appear similar, but the effect is almost oposit: someone who dives into his own world does not consume... 4 can be present in any other music for those who need to satisfy the mind to open for the other senses. ... Loops are very usefull for 1..3 and lesser for 4 -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 16:16:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1SLEZF05932; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:14:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:14:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42238A0D.9080808@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:15:57 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #414 for February 24, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050224.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #414 February 24, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze's Deluxe Edition reissues from InsideOut Music. The Featured CD at Midnight was "X." The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Music for Amplified Keyboard Instruments" by David Borden on Red Records released in 1981. Klaus Schulze - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#feb PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ 11:00 pm David Borden Enfield in Winter Music for Amplified Keyboard Instruments (Red) VA [Embrase] Time Is Killing E-dition Sampler #6 (Groove) Hemisphere About Suggestion Rambling Voyage (Groove) John Lakveet Leibniz and Contingency The Force of Reason (Groove) N-Tribe Questions Tower of Power (Groove) Klaus Schulze Friedrich Nietzsche X (InsideOut) 12:00 am Klaus Schulze Georg Trakl X (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Frank Herbert X (InsideOut) Klaus Schulze Friedemann Bach X (InsideOut) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll start a month-long focus on Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Places Beyond: The Lost Pieces 4" on Steve's Timeroom Editions label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Bahkti Point" by Richard Burmer on Fortuna Records from 1987. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 16:33:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1SLVPL09542; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:31:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:31:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050228213055.11981.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:30:55 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: FS: Electrix Warpfactory vocoder To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not in the market for one of these, but as an ex owner I can attest to the quality of this fine vocoder. You shant find a better for that price. Mark --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > in nice shape, but with Brother P-Touch legends > added for MIDI CC > numbers of the knobs to aid in sequencing. > > includes box and manual. > > $175 if you want me to remove the labels and alcohol > clean it, $165 if > you want me to leave it the way it is because you > might need that > reference as well. i figure i'd give the choice. > > picture here: > http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/demo_gallery/Demo%20Gallery-Pages/ > > Image5.html > > i have already removed the tags which indicate port > and channel number, > and the "stg/vocoder" label. the Electrix name is > now in plain view. > > i am located near Chicago IL USA (2 hrs or so). > buyer pays shipping. > references upon request. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 16:38:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1SLaV110620; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:36:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:36:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050228213606.41650.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200502251133.j1PBXZx13980@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you sure you've got your gain stages set up correctly? I've had great results with the Repeater in a line level effects loop of a Soundcraft board. I can't say I've used the headphone output, but the line level outs seem to be pretty good in the signal to noise ratio dept. I'm just tickled to see they've incorperated direct to overdub and the ability to preset loop length like you can with the Lexicon JamMan. I guess I'll have to upgrade as soon as it comes out in May/June of 2006. Mark --- mrweasel wrote: > Cool News. > There are 3 things that have been said repeatedly (I > know that's a cheesy > one...) on the electrix forums that are very > important (on top of the sync > and memory improvement) : > - Fix the NOISE issue (especially for the jack > output and from the headphone > output) as the repeater is currently too noisy to > work in a studio > environment. > - Get rid of the clicking at the end of loops when > recording on the compact > flash cards (annoying when playing ambient music) > - Design a software or application that allows you > to create and/or get rid > of the silence before and after the > exported/imported loops: this is > ESSENTIAL! > > Also, it would be great to have the ability to > monitor the metronome though > the headphones only (essential for Djing for > instance). > > Thanks > > Mr Weasel > > -----Original Message----- > From: flatrice@yahoo.com [mailto:flatrice@yahoo.com] > > Sent: jeudi 24 février 2005 22:41 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS > 2.0 > > Peak at new Repeater MK2 & OS upgrades > > Greetings Loopers Delight members, > > We met Kim Flint in Anaheim at the NAMM show and he > encouraged us (Electrix) > to participate in the discussions here. That said, > we'd thought we'd pass > along some preliminary info on the new Repeater MK2 > feature set. Please keep > in mind that this is a partial list (more info will > be released over the > coming weeks/months). > > With the new Repeater MK2, some of the enhancements > you can expect are: > > o Independent track looping control (can act like > a > sampler as well). > o Initial Record direct into overdub. > o Loop length pre-programming. > o Completely overhauled MIDI implementation that > will give you greater control over more features. > o Persistent settings on power down/power up. The > unit now remembers your setup. > o Sticky settings (stereo link, pan, pitch, > metronome) optionally imported to new loops on > creation. > o Utilities menu for controlling system operation > from the front panel, including MIDI channel. > > Issues fixed from System 1.10 > > o Vastly improved MIDI clock quality. > o Positive indication of muted channels. > > As mentioned above, there are additional features > not listed that will be > part of the new Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0. We have > compiled the list of mods > from numerous user requests. Please keep in mind > that our plans for the new > product and OS are baked and any other suggestions > will have to wait for the > next OS. > > Many existing Repeater users want to know if they > will be able to upgrade to > the new OS. While it is our goal to offer an upgrade > path (for a small fee), > there may be some hardware changes required as it is > likely that Repeater > MK2 will have significantly larger on-board memory. > We will keep you posted > on this as information is available. > > Second question on everyone's mind is "when and > where can I get one"? We > expect them to be available in May/June at select > retailers. However, we > caution that there will be limited availability and > if you want one, you > should visit your local retailer sooner than later > and place a special order > to secure your position. > > Lastly, people are asking "how much?. US Retail > price is $749. > > Hope this answers some open questions and we'll keep > you posted on new > developments as info becomes available. If you're > interested in staying in > the loop (no pun intended) for additional Electrix > info, we'd encourage you > to join our email list located on our home page @ > www.electrixpro.com. > > Thanks, > Electrix > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 17:44:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1SMhBv27236; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:43:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:43:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-2005-1109630567-0001-2" Message-Id: <42239E6B.00004A.02560@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:42:51 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Mp3 down sampling X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. 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A fix introduced in beta 2 broke certain mode transitions causing you to get stuck in modes Replace. Sorry for the inconvenience. Jeff www.zonemobuis.com groups.yahoo.com/groups/zonemobius From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 17:56:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1SMrFG30532; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:53:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:53:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050228213055.11981.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050228213055.11981.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7A02D6FC-89DB-11D9-BF68-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: FS: Electrix Warpfactory vocoder Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:52:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <-wdhSC.A.DcH.KD6ICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 28, 2005, at 3:30 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > I'm not in the market for one of these, but as an ex > owner I can attest to the quality of this fine > vocoder. You shant find a better for that price. thanks for the kind support Mark, but i'm afraid that it has been sold. for 150 USD to my acid house friend who shares my studio with me. he flipped out when i told him i was going to sell it and did some slammin electro acid with it and now he's in love. sorry i didn't post an update. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 18:11:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1SN8E803662; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:08:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:08:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:07:53 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Mobius VST In-reply-to: <200502282250.j1SMo7x29664@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4223A449.9020108@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <200502282250.j1SMo7x29664@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alan Kroeger wrote: > Hmm you forgot to mention the VST support you added Jeff I didn't think it worked well enough to broadcast yet. I've been doing some more research and think I understand how to handle host interaction properly. But it will probably take another week. Later, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 19:07:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2104cw14089; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:04:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:04:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Mp3 down sampling Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:04:09 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c51df2$3167e230$6d01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <42239E6B.00004A.02560@A7V266E-XP-USER> Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 98, in=210, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.musicmatch.com is free and works fine. I've been using it for years. It converts from MP3 to Wav, wav to MP3, and MP3 to MP3 at different quality settings....from 8 to 320 kbps. K From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 3:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mp3 down sampling Hi, I have 400plus mp3 file at 64kbps that I need to convert to Mmp3 at 48bkps. Does anyone know of a cheap tool, under 100 US$, that can do this conversion is batch mode? TX! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 19:09:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j21089L15082; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:08:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:08:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qWfLLN4dyWHdHs8jmVuIJ+VVCx3b/n4kpCwUdFsiXx9p9CYQ6neUK7UPNmxbZIOxdg3I8E+rLmglid6c7lnnSowdy/NK4d21+IzAI9qFAhNuGMYxU7oKzc2lMphXzxjskJ5WkPitD45q+ssKTZ3vYw00jqbhmNb1fFdcew90+LA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:07:53 -0800 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mp3 down sampling In-Reply-To: <002601c51df2$3167e230$6d01a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <42239E6B.00004A.02560@A7V266E-XP-USER> <002601c51df2$3167e230$6d01a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try dbPowerAmp at http://www.dbpoweramp.com/dmc.htm You should be able to do everything before the mp3 encode runs out on the trial. It does batch file conversions. > From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.com] > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 3:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Mp3 down sampling > > Hi, > I have 400plus mp3 file at 64kbps that I need to convert to Mmp3 at > 48bkps. Does anyone know of a cheap tool, under 100 US$, that can do > this conversion is batch mode? > > TX! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 19:19:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j210Go117021; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:16:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:16:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503010016.j210GZx16981@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius VST Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:16:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUd6pUKlwjaCKslSPi7VI/zdwE5TgACPdZg In-Reply-To: <4223A449.9020108@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I haven't given it a real test yet (just a low stress quickie) so, far no issues. Now I can start testing interaction between different VST apps and Mobius. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 6:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius VST Alan Kroeger wrote: > Hmm you forgot to mention the VST support you added Jeff I didn't think it worked well enough to broadcast yet. I've been doing some more research and think I understand how to handle host interaction properly. But it will probably take another week. Later, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 19:36:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j210Yla19387; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:34:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:34:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:35:35 -0800 Subject: EDP for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Drengsen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a tan Oberheim EDP for sale,maxed out memory, loop III best offer.... Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 28 22:11:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2138aH14487; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:08:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:08:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503010308.j2138Ex14420@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 03:08:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20050228213606.41650.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcUd3c8hONXFv1XARlivf13+zh9QOAALY37g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2138Ex14420 Resent-Message-ID: <94BnuB.A.nhD.fy9ICB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Are you sure you've got your gain stages set up correctly?" Yes. The input is under 12 O'Clock and the tracks are at a good level. Also, the phono button is set correctly (I believe it makes the machine even noisier if you press it) But still, if you listen carefully, it is far from being cristal clean (compared to an echoplex for instance) and it is still quite tricky to use it in a studio environment. -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] Sent: lundi 28 février 2005 21:36 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 Are you sure you've got your gain stages set up correctly? I've had great results with the Repeater in a line level effects loop of a Soundcraft board. I can't say I've used the headphone output, but the line level outs seem to be pretty good in the signal to noise ratio dept. I'm just tickled to see they've incorperated direct to overdub and the ability to preset loop length like you can with the Lexicon JamMan. I guess I'll have to upgrade as soon as it comes out in May/June of 2006. Mark --- mrweasel wrote: > Cool News. > There are 3 things that have been said repeatedly (I know that's a > cheesy > one...) on the electrix forums that are very important (on top of the > sync and memory improvement) : > - Fix the NOISE issue (especially for the jack output and from the > headphone > output) as the repeater is currently too noisy to work in a studio > environment. > - Get rid of the clicking at the end of loops when recording on the > compact flash cards (annoying when playing ambient music) > - Design a software or application that allows you to create and/or > get rid of the silence before and after the exported/imported loops: > this is ESSENTIAL! > > Also, it would be great to have the ability to monitor the metronome > though the headphones only (essential for Djing for instance). > > Thanks > > Mr Weasel > > -----Original Message----- > From: flatrice@yahoo.com [mailto:flatrice@yahoo.com] > > Sent: jeudi 24 fivrier 2005 22:41 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Peak at new Electrix Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0 > > Peak at new Repeater MK2 & OS upgrades > > Greetings Loopers Delight members, > > We met Kim Flint in Anaheim at the NAMM show and he encouraged us > (Electrix) to participate in the discussions here. That said, we'd > thought we'd pass along some preliminary info on the new Repeater MK2 > feature set. Please keep in mind that this is a partial list (more > info will be released over the coming weeks/months). > > With the new Repeater MK2, some of the enhancements you can expect > are: > > o Independent track looping control (can act like > a > sampler as well). > o Initial Record direct into overdub. > o Loop length pre-programming. > o Completely overhauled MIDI implementation that > will give you greater control over more features. > o Persistent settings on power down/power up. The > unit now remembers your setup. > o Sticky settings (stereo link, pan, pitch, > metronome) optionally imported to new loops on creation. > o Utilities menu for controlling system operation > from the front panel, including MIDI channel. > > Issues fixed from System 1.10 > > o Vastly improved MIDI clock quality. > o Positive indication of muted channels. > > As mentioned above, there are additional features not listed that will > be part of the new Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0. We have compiled the list > of mods from numerous user requests. Please keep in mind that our > plans for the new product and OS are baked and any other suggestions > will have to wait for the next OS. > > Many existing Repeater users want to know if they will be able to > upgrade to the new OS. While it is our goal to offer an upgrade path > (for a small fee), there may be some hardware changes required as it > is likely that Repeater > MK2 will have significantly larger on-board memory. > We will keep you posted > on this as information is available. > > Second question on everyone's mind is "when and where can I get one"? > We expect them to be available in May/June at select retailers. > However, we caution that there will be limited availability and if you > want one, you should visit your local retailer sooner than later and > place a special order to secure your position. > > Lastly, people are asking "how much?. US Retail price is $749. > > Hope this answers some open questions and we'll keep you posted on new > developments as info becomes available. If you're interested in > staying in the loop (no pun intended) for additional Electrix info, > we'd encourage you to join our email list located on our home page @ > www.electrixpro.com. > > Thanks, > Electrix > > >