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I second this!
 
Augustus sounds like a great tool for using with live, I`d be really keen to try out a beta version for the pc if you get time to do a port.
 
 - Tim 
 
> Port Augustus to Windows, and then let's talk! :)

> Dig


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<DIV>Augustus sounds like a great tool for using with live, I`d be really keen to try out a beta version for the pc if you get time to do a port.</DIV>
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On Jan 1, 2005, at 14:18, Tim Clulow wrote:

> I second this!
> Augustus sounds like a great tool for using with live, I`d be really 
> keen to try out a beta version for the pc if you get time to do a 
> port.
>  - Tim
> > Port Augustus to Windows, and then let's talk! :)
> > Dig


There's indeed a huge market for Windows XP compatible software, but it 
seems as Augustus Loop is the perfect example of the new generation 
audio software made possible by OS X, with its support of streaming 
audio and streaming midi built right into the operating system. This 
software evolution made me go for an apple machine when my last audio 
PC (Pentium 4 based) broke down last year. But there are still no super 
fast portable apple machines available, as you can find on the wintel 
side. For my use though, I don't miss that extra processing power and I 
actually prefer staying close to what happening in OS X audio software 
development.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
---
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http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen


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Happy new year,

Yes the audio features in OSX is really something different. and it 
works : )
I use Augustus on a G3 laptop (pismo 500mhz) and it works just great. 
With the new beta i hope to get even more headroom on the performance.

Jan

Pć 1. jan. 2005 kl. 15.03 skrev Per Boysen:

> On Jan 1, 2005, at 14:18, Tim Clulow wrote:
>
>> I second this!
>> Augustus sounds like a great tool for using with live, I`d be really 
>> keen to try out a beta version for the pc if you get time to do a 
>> port.
>>  - Tim
>> > Port Augustus to Windows, and then let's talk! :)
>> > Dig
>
>
> There's indeed a huge market for Windows XP compatible software, but 
> it seems as Augustus Loop is the perfect example of the new generation 
> audio software made possible by OS X, with its support of streaming 
> audio and streaming midi built right into the operating system. This 
> software evolution made me go for an apple machine when my last audio 
> PC (Pentium 4 based) broke down last year. But there are still no 
> super fast portable apple machines available, as you can find on the 
> wintel side. For my use though, I don't miss that extra processing 
> power and I actually prefer staying close to what happening in OS X 
> audio software development.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
>

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I'd gladly assist in any Mac->Windows porting efforts... I was involved in
porting both Vision and ProTools to Windows... and while what Per says about OS
X's audio layer is true (thanks to Doug Wyatt and many others at Apple), it
certainly doesn't stop the development of crossplatform software... :)

peace
-cpr

Quoting Per Boysen <per@boysen.se>:

> On Jan 1, 2005, at 14:18, Tim Clulow wrote:
> 
> > I second this!
> > Augustus sounds like a great tool for using with live, I`d be really 
> > keen to try out a beta version for the pc if you get time to do a 
> > port.
> >  - Tim
> > > Port Augustus to Windows, and then let's talk! :)
> > > Dig
> 
> 
> There's indeed a huge market for Windows XP compatible software, but it 
> seems as Augustus Loop is the perfect example of the new generation 
> audio software made possible by OS X, with its support of streaming 
> audio and streaming midi built right into the operating system. This 
> software evolution made me go for an apple machine when my last audio 
> PC (Pentium 4 based) broke down last year. But there are still no super 
> fast portable apple machines available, as you can find on the wintel 
> side. For my use though, I don't miss that extra processing power and I 
> actually prefer staying close to what happening in OS X audio software 
> development.
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
> 
> 
> 




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Hey, clean up your floor.. :)
I just put a Pedal Pad MPS Modular Pedal Board System on eBay. If you
have a ton of pedals and floor devices (e.g., looping units, guitar
synths, stomp boxes, volume/expression pedals, etc) that you want to
package up into an easy-to-set-up system, this is one approach to
reducing your setup time to just a few minutes. It has a built in power
supply and patch system with aux loops, guitar in, amp out, etc. 
This system sells new online for $349. I have the Buy Now price set as
$165.

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to just a few minutes. It has a built in power supply and patch system =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">This system sells new online for $349. =
I have the Buy Now price set as $165.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Cheers,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">********************************* =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Krispen Hartung </FONT>

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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">info@krispenhartung.com</FONT>

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Couldn't resist jumping in here...

I'm lucky enough to be able to attend classes with the real Marc 
Anderson every Tuesday night!

For those of you not familiar with his work, check out his web site and 
give him a listen.

www.marcanderson.com

His most recent CD, Ruby, is definitely worth picking up (as is his 
work with Steve Tibbetts, Speaking in Tongues, Sylvian/Fripp, ...).

Dion




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Couldn't resist jumping in here...


I'm lucky enough to be able to attend classes with the real Marc
Anderson every Tuesday night!


For those of you not familiar with his work, check out his web site
and give him a listen.


www.marcanderson.com


His most recent CD, Ruby, is definitely worth picking up (as is his
work with Steve Tibbetts, Speaking in Tongues, Sylvian/Fripp, ...).


Dion





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Anyone know how I can get a hold of Mark Mitchell, who created a PC and
MAC based MIDI editor for the LXP-5?  His email address on the lexicon
website is incorrect, listed as sonarte@itesocci.gdl.iteso.mx
"With the LEXIFACE LXP-5 editor software you can easily use it to its
full potential (without having to buy an MRC)."
K-

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Hi Doug, and everyone else 
 
would be great to correspond regarding Live/fcb1010 setup etc.
 
at the moment I'm going to be using loops to peform written songs (cue yawns from looping purists), particularly because there are only two members in this band and I want to be able to do stuff on Baritone guitar and then work in drum samples and possible free my hands up for live percussive stuff too to flesh things out... ideally I would love to get the confidence and ability to blur the edges of the song structure and delve into an improvisational role but for now I just need something simple or else I'll never get the ball rolling.
 
thanks to all the comments/ideas on using backgrounds live, it's really helped me to try to put the emphasis on having fun with what I'm doing, which in the past few weeks I think I've been losing sight of (not that music is ever a chore).
 
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<DIV>Hi Doug, and everyone else&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>would be great to correspond regarding Live/fcb1010 setup etc.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>at the moment I'm going to be using loops&nbsp;to peform written songs (cue yawns from looping purists), particularly because there are only two members in this band and I want to be able to do stuff on Baritone&nbsp;guitar and then work in drum samples and possible free my hands up for live percussive stuff too to flesh things out... ideally I&nbsp;would love to get the confidence and ability to blur the edges of the song&nbsp;structure&nbsp;and delve into an improvisational role but for now I just need something simple or else I'll never get the ball rolling.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>thanks to all the comments/ideas on using backgrounds live, it's really helped me to try to put the emphasis on having&nbsp;fun with what I'm doing, which&nbsp;in the past few weeks I think I've been losing sight of (not that music is ever a chore).</DIV>
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<DIV>Hope you are all&nbsp;having a positive New Year,</DIV>
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<DIV>- Tim</DIV>
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The reissued Headrush is just like the original
regarding that feature, but has a much longer loop
time.

And then of course there's the EDP with its very well
implemented undo.

-t-

--- t harris <musyc1974@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Currently using Akai Headrush e1. Great, but loop
> time is too short. Really like that when you overdub
> on top of the 1st layer, you can strip everything
> back down to that first layer by hitting the record
> button twice. 
>  
> Any other pedals with longer loop times that do
> this? 


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Bowlers 'round Mr. Mungenast's neck o' the woods use a
different sized ball than do many of those souther
and/or wester than us up here in northern new england,
where in a stretched attempt at being on-topic, I'll
mention that I played a set last night practically
nekked. I had all my clothes on (fortunately), but
rather than the big rig, I used nuthin' but a
preamp-equipped acoustic, a DL4, a mic (also DL4'ed),
a tiny acoustic amp and occasionally an eBow. Most
enjoyable, and easier to schlepp.

(yet another) Tim


--- Larry Cooperman <coop@newmillguitar.com> wrote:

> I meant Timothy Mungenast who probably has no
> bowling genes


		
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Hmmmm, isn't regular piano music notated for a
non-prepared piano also dependent on the technology of
having a complicated mechanical device (the piano) at
one's disposal?

-t-

--- hazard factor <artists@hazardfactor.com> wrote:

> An ineresting note, I was denied a grant recently
> because of 'the reliance
> of technology' helping to create a piece. I wrote a
> simple melody, notated
> it, as well as all the overdubs (and where to push
> 'overdub' in the
> notation), harmonies, inserts, etc. 
> Apparently looping isn't quite in the same league
> as, say, a prepared piano,
> which is acceptable. Oh well.
> 
> Dave Eichenberger 
> http://www.hazardfactor.com
> 
> 



		
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--- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote:
> i dont remember the tape recorder on stage-you sure
> it wasnt a 'les paulverizer'?

I sort of did a 'les paulverizer' stunt onstage once,
but it was not intentional. I'd triggered a minidisc
drum loop to play over a just-recorded bed of cloudy
guitars and was building a low-end theremin loop for
the next sequence with the pre/post fader setting so
that it wasn't going to the house yet. An audience
member noted that my hand movements in the vicinity of
the theremin were somewhat coordinated with the
percussion sounds he was hearing, and asked me later
how I was playing drums with a theremin!

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At 4:14 AM -0800 1/2/05, Tim Nelson wrote:

>I sort of did a 'les paulverizer' stunt onstage once

It's probably worth noting that the Les Paulverizer was actually 
nothing more than a tape deck with a play/pause control mounted on 
Les's guitar. All the material on the tape was pre-recorded.
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You'd think so. I guess 'looping', in the 'serious' music world, hasn't
gained that status yet. At least not in the Southern US yet :)

Dave Eichenberger 
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> 
> Hmmmm, isn't regular piano music notated for a non-prepared 
> piano also dependent on the technology of having a 
> complicated mechanical device (the piano) at one's disposal?
> 
> -t-
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someone just forwarded this to idm-l; might be pertinent for anyone here who
is part of a yahoogroup.


"Hi folks,

In case you are interested in protecting your online privacy: Yahoo
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going - similar to cookies. Yahoo is recording every website and
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http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy

About half-way down the page, in the section on cookies, you will
see a link that says web beacons.
Click on the phrase "web beacons":
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That will bring you to a paragraph entitled "Outside the Yahoo
Network." In this section you'll see a little "click here to opt
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snooping. Once you have clicked that link, you are exempted.

Notice the "Success" message on the top of the next page.
Be careful because on that page there is a "Cancel Opt-out" button
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Feel free to forward this to other groups."


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Fellow Loopers,

 Atomic Mobius Machine is playing a double header with a very special guest on
Saturday, January 8th. Muruga Booker (www.murugabooker.com) will be opening the
show (from Ann Arbor, Michigan), followed by an intracontinental between he and
AtoMoMach, then we'll continue forth with our usual musical shananigans. As
usual the show will run 8pm-2am/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. (for a whopping 6
hours of musical meanderings)

 Muruga is an amazing dummer, who has been a major influence on AtoMoMach, as
well as a mentor to some of the individual members. Muruga, Ross, and Chris
played thier first live internet performances together in the late 90's as The
Cyber Kitchen on FAKE Radio. As well, Ross and Chris met Dan at a jam session
honouring Muruga when he was visiting California several years ago. So, in many
ways, this show brings it all full circle.

 Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music
(we've started calling it 'ambient loopadelic'), and features Dan Moore, Ross
Artese, and myself, on various musical instruments, electronics, and
computers.

 Please tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at http://www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday,
January 8th, at 8pm/pst for some really trippy music. Technically speaking,
it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with
WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work
for you on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... 

 AwesomeRadio serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements.
Here are the addresses to use:

broadband     http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8000
24/22 mono    http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8006
16/16 mono    http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8004

 Atomic Mobius Machine broadcasts a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband
stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of
the other addresses.

 Feel free to visit our website: http://www.atomomach.com. 

 AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a
Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for
Windows. The IRC network is irc.SoundNWaves.net, and the channel is
#awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but
there will be other listeners in there, so...

 I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :)

peace
-cpr


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Yeah, I was referring more to Mr. Polfuss's penchant
for the theatrical when for the sake of showmanship
he'd intentionally try to make it seem like he was
doing live overdubs when he was playing along with the
pre-recorded material. Only in my case I didn't
realize (or particularly care) that layering an as-yet
inaudible theremin part might be construed as an
attempt to make it look like I was doing something
else.

-t-

--- Richard Zvonar <zvonar@zvonar.com> wrote:

> At 4:14 AM -0800 1/2/05, Tim Nelson wrote:
> 
> >I sort of did a 'les paulverizer' stunt onstage
> once
> 
> It's probably worth noting that the Les Paulverizer
> was actually 
> nothing more than a tape deck with a play/pause
> control mounted on 
> Les's guitar. All the material on the tape was
> pre-recorded.
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On Jan 2, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Tim Nelson wrote:

> Yeah, I was referring more to Mr. Polfuss's penchant
> for the theatrical when for the sake of showmanship
> he'd intentionally try to make it seem like he was
> doing live overdubs when he was playing along with the
> pre-recorded material. Only in my case I didn't
> realize (or particularly care) that layering an as-yet
> inaudible theremin part might be construed as an
> attempt to make it look like I was doing something
> else.
>
> -t-

yes, but  manipulated bowling alleys is another story.  theatrical?  no 
ethics is an ethical consideration-no theatrics is theatrics.  who 
cares except the erector of the erection?

i had recorded bowling alleys and scored prepared classical guitar for 
my master thesis and a paper on backtones which i thought was better.

i figure they weren't impressed with my bowling alley piece because it 
is kitsch.  i mean, a classical guy wearing ray-bans is what it is 
really.  boinging around on a half prepared classical guitar with 
something retro for x-hippies that are my jury.  yawn really.

now my backtone paper and compositions for guitar were hell on wheels.  
got to pat myself on the back for that stuff because it got me high 
marks for a brain but ray-bans ain't going to get you respect at a good 
school, only chuckles.  i dropped it from my program at the last minute 
and performed it at a club with a weird neo-beat setting since.

my remaining edp still sits in my garage and i've sold one.  i don't 
like the machine or the manual.  looping is  a crock of crap for a man 
with too many notes.  i have too many really good notes.  i'd rather 
hear new notes.  so i can modulate the old notes and hack them up like 
a surgeon. so what?  in the time it takes to hack them up i can think 
of dozens of things to do with my brain and hands.

  want my loop iv?  brand new and black with extended warranty foot 
pedal.  i mean i ain't giving it to the looper's benevolent society but 
i'll take 900 plus shipping in original boxes.  just thinking about 
that horrible machine makes me sick.  i hate it because it is not 
intuitive and the manual makes it more horrible.

sorry kim.  you can pay me to learn the machine but my time is for new 
notes.  not trying to be an asshole, just andre breton-ing. looping is 
good for you.  can yield some fantastic textures...


Larry Cooperman
New Millennium Guitar
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   Bootsy Collins of Funkadekic fame used to have this big star shaped bass 
with flashing LED fret markers which ,at the start of the show, would come 
on while the bass sat in it's stand,then the onboard tape deck would come on 
and anounce him,and he and his costume would make an entrance. God thing he 
didn't need to apply for grants.,as for foster grants or ray bans,those were 
star shaped too.


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On Jan 2, 2005, at 2:12 PM, samba - wrote:

>   Bootsy Collins of Funkadekic fame used to have this big star shaped 
> bass with flashing LED fret markers which ,at the start of the show, 
> would come on while the bass sat in it's stand,then the onboard tape 
> deck would come on and anounce him,and he and his costume would make 
> an entrance. God thing he didn't need to apply for grants.,as for 
> foster grants or ray bans,those were star shaped too.
>
>
>

yes but ray-bans and classical music?  it wouldn't stop you from 
getting a grant.  i'm too r&r to get a grant and never applied for one 
although i have been given money for particular music projects.  hope 
no one thinks i'm fishing for grants.  oh shit, i profess to say i 
don't care what anyone thinks.  guess i do but not too much to get in 
the way of notes.

foster grants really suck.  i was in the sunglass business for two 
years as a buyer and merchandiser.  to me it was better than playing in 
a top 40 band.
Larry Cooperman
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Hi,

I'm very flattered by the interest in my software!

As it happens, I spent today porting some of my plug-ins to VST. Still 
on Mac, but it's a first step. (It gets me the Cubase SX audience, 
anyway.)

The main hurdle to doing a Windows version is that I just don't have a 
PC. Donations gladly accepted :)

Anyone happen to know if Cubase or whatever runs under Virtual PC?


cheers,
os.


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>
>
> I second this!
>  
> Augustus sounds like a great tool for using with live, I`d be really 
> keen to try out a beta version for the pc if you get time to do a 
> port.
>  
>  - Tim
>   
> > Port Augustus to Windows, and then let's talk! :)
>
> > Dig
>
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Happy New Year and Welcome to the PiNG's latest series of
ambient, chillout and experimental music concerts in our
new night and residency Wednesdays at the Tequila Lounge.

* Attention Artists - "Artists Support Asia - A Call For Help"
See more details at the bottom of this e-mail about a potential
way to support international aid organizations working in the
area of Asia struck by disaster on December 26, 2004 - by
using your music!  http://www.artistssupportasia.org/about.php

* This edition of the PiNG UPDATE introduces a new segment,
"THE LOOP" by Luna Tek, which strives to capture in words
the sound, the feel, the look and the atmosphere of each event.

* rik maclean has picked out his favourite ambient CD releases
for 2004 for his segment this week.   Enjoy... Scott M2
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Every Wednesday Night @ THE TEQUiLA LOUNGE
http://www.tequilalounge.ca - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor
(directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto
Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan
map - http://www.theambientping.com/maps/tequila.gif
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Wednesday January 5th - Repair with Self-Service Visuals

The PiNG's first presentation at the Tequila Lounge features
crack sound-­designers & beat-­creators Mark & Matt Thibideau
with vocalist Dawn Lewis as they go deeper into the more
ambient and experimental sides of their techno/house trio Repair.
Mark & Matt will be unleashing their twin SY77 work-stations
and vintage JP-4 and DW-8000 synths while Dawn lays down
her vocals with a Headrush looper and maybe a synth too.
The slow beats, spacious sounds and looped layers of Dawn's
voice will be complimented by fresh visuals from Self-Service.
Look for copies of Repair's limited-edition CD of rarities and
previously unreleased tracks being unveiled at this concert.
http://www.repair-lab.com

Between Sets CD + Video - "Thursday Afternoon" by Brian Eno
"Seven video-paintings of Christine Alicino" filmed in San Francisco
in April 1984 and treated and assembled at Sony in Tokyo. The
music was recorded at Daniel Lanois' studio in Hamilton and this
video sound-track has a different mix than on the CD. * Please
Note - This is a "Vertical Format" video intended for a TV that's
been turned on its side, so we'll understand if we see you lying
sideways on the bar. http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming January 12th - ARC with Pholde + low frequency pilot
http://fade.to/arc  http://www.pholde.com
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/lowfrequencypilot.htm
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

||: THE LOOP :|| "Arms Full of Sound and Fury" by Luna Tek

THE AMBiENT PiNG wrapped up its Tuesday night series
at The Gladstone Hotel Ballroom on December 4th, 2004
with "Journey to Ambientia Part 2" by Paul Needler, aka
Arms Full of Sound. PiNG enthusiasts hunkered down
in the ballroom while, outside, gale-force winds threatened
to bring down the scaffolding that adorns the west side of
the Gladstone these days.

Building momentum for our "Journey to Ambientia," Arms
Full of Sound began with a piece titled "Rhythmic Universe".
Amidst the drifting melodic textures of the first set were
images of planets, asteroids and lava lamps oozing like
amoebas-in-motion. Arms Full of Sound's pulsing rhythms
were especially effective alongside the forest imagery that
closed the set. Needler pushed the journey motif further in
a 2nd set titled "Journey's End". While the 2nd set covered
the same terrain visually, it was more varied musically. Both
sets integrated familiar sound symbols - church bells,
for example - into their electronic soundscapes, creating
soundmarks to guide the listeners' journey.

Always forward-thinking, PiNG organizers ended the evening
by preparing for the next leg of THE AMBiENT PiNG's own
journey to a new venue downtown. Once thank-yous and
good-byes were extended to Gladstone staff, The PiNG blew
out of the Gladstone's drafty ballroom, quietly anticipating
the warmth of the Tequila Lounge in the New Year.

More information about Arms Full of Sound's "Journey to
Ambientia" is available at http://www.armsfullofsound.com.

Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews

As ping things looks forward to a new year at the AMBiENT PiNG
(at a brand new location!) we can't help but be a little nostalgic
for the year that's passed. 2004 was an absolutely fabulous year
for new music in the electronic disciplines, with a variety of
wonderful releases by both established artists in the field and
new talents who have just begun their careers.

Jonathan Hughes' "Fluidities" was a fascinating reworking of
the collaborative ideal, featuring a pair of discs meant to be
simultaneously played in random order in an effort to create new
sound environments with each listen. A brilliant exercise in the
ambient ideal. http://www.pingthings.com/HUGHESfluidities.htm

The wonderful people at Piehead Records put out their third
subscription series in 2004 which included some of the best
music they've released to date. Discs by Building Castles
out of Matchsticks and *cough*metrostarman*cough* were
some of my favorites this year.
http://www.pingthings.com/BUILDING.htm
http://www.pingthings.com/SICgorilla.htm
http://www.pingthings.com/METROSTARMANdog.htm

Deane Hughes of Akumu released his disc "Fluxes" based
around a series of field recordings made on a recent trip to
South America. The manipulation of these pieces and the
attention to spatial detail therein are the work of true talents
who have tapped into a different state of environmental consciousness.
http://www.pingthings.com/AKUMUfluxes.htm

Steve Roach released a number of discs this year, all of them
beautiful works that live up to and surpass his reputation as one
of the most talented artists in the genre. Of particular note were
his Fever Dream releases ), two discs that take the listener on
a journey through beautiful and mystical places, a hyper reality
akin to the most intense of reveries.
http://www.pingthings.com/SRfeverdreams.htm
http://www.pingthings.com/SRholding.htm

Eric Hopper released a new disc called "Dreamlife" under his
guise as Sylken which is a stunning collection of emotional
spaces and beautiful new vistas. Featuring the talents of
frequent collaborator Steven Sauve, cheryl o, Gregory Kyryluk
and Wally Jericho, "Dreamlife" is a perfect travelogue for
those lands we visit between waking moments.
http://www.pingthings.com/SYLKENdreamlife.htm

And speaking of Eric, he also did a fantastic job curating the
PiNG AMBiENCE 2 disc featuring an incredible collection of
PiNG artists both near and far. Including tracks by Aidan Baker,
dreamSTATE, Sylken, Sara Ayers & more, PA2 is an essential
compilation that surely deserves to be in every ambient fan's collection.
http://www.pingthings.com/PINGAMBIENCE2.htm

These are just a few of the fantastic releases that came out
this past year. Perhaps you'd like to check out the ping things
site at http://www.pingthings.com to find some more
of the music that made 2004 such a memorable year.

rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com

Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

* Attention Artists - "Artists Support Asia - A Call For Help"
Artists Support Asia was started by Stefan Koopmanschap, a
dutch electronic musician. Together with a whole bunch of people
from various online communities, he is trying to raise as much
money as possible to help the victims of the tidal waves by
creating CDs for sale from the best tracks submitted for this
project. Ambient music is welcomed but shorter tracks are
preferred to increase the number of artists on the disc(s).
wav. files will need to be uploaded after mp3s are appoved.
All monies will go to 'Giro 555' of the "Samenwerkende Hulp
Organisaties" (Collaborating Aid Organizations). This is the
central place where organizations such as the Red Cross,
Doctors Without Borders, Memisa, Unicef, Novib, Terre Des
Hommes & a selection of local organizations are organized
to raise funds for this disaster. I can personally vouch for
Stefan as being an honourable human who will do what he
states with your work for this project (as dreamSTATE has
previously contributed work for an earlier disaster-relief project
he organised for the Enschede explosion in The Netherlands,
on May 13th 2000). Stefan is also looking for people on
different continents to contribute by making some phonecalls
for him in their respective countries, and maybe, to do some
work in the distribution department as well. Complete info
can be found at http://www.artistssupportasia.org/about.php
Thanks - Scott M2 (dreamSTATE / The PiNG)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG presents live performances by Toronto's
finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus
performers from across the continent, every Wednesday evening
at THE TEQUiLA LOUNGE - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor.
http://www.theambientping.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested
in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances
or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks.



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Which ones DON'T suck, larry?  Ray-bans?

todd


On 1/2/05 2:27 PM, "Larry Cooperman" <coop@newmillguitar.com> wrote:

> foster grants really suck.  i was in the sunglass business for two
> years as a buyer and merchandiser.  to me it was better than playing in
> a top 40 band.


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I just found myself in posession of a Jamman (it was sitting in a corner in
a fellow musician's house, and she never used it- no idea what it was, no
adapter, no manual..so I asked to borrow it).

Reading online, I see several discussions of ROM upgrades, as well as memory
upgrades. Does anyone have memory for this thing anymore? It only has the
stock 8 seconds. 

I have been to Bob Sellon's site and read about the ROM upgrades- has anyone
done this yet? There is mention of a Beta ROM V0.6- has anyone tried this?

Depending on the feasibility of upgrades, I may upgrade it, give it back and
show her what I did- or if she isn't interested in looping, I'd just buy it
from her. 

Dave Eichenberger 
http://www.hazardfactor.com


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On Jan 2, 2005, at 3:10 PM, todd reynolds wrote:

> Which ones DON'T suck, larry?  Ray-bans?
>
> todd

well you see, foster grants had un-ground and polished lenses which can 
really ruin your eyes when you look through a ripple.  very bad for you 
and ray bans had ground and polished glass, shatter proof and rather 
stylish looking you know, retro chic and bluesy so you can wear them 
with a Hawaiian shirt and look groovy kind of jazzy and become 
iconoclastic you could with all of the accouterments of hipness thank 
you very much
New Millennium Guitar
http://www.newmillguitar.com

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On Jan 2, 2005, at 3:10 PM, todd reynolds wrote:

> Which ones DON'T suck, larry?  Ray-bans?
>
> todd
oh yeah,
foster grants can be worn by anyone.

Larry Cooperman
New Millennium Guitar
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People that want to use backgrounds live can do so all you want. You 
dont need to justify the practice by referencing archaic and obscure 
examples. Its my own own personal preference to not use them but thats 
me. However, if you do, realize some people, wether they are artists 
themselves, or audience members have the right to respond in a negative 
way. If you are entertaining and people come back (to pay) then who's 
to say your wrong? But my fear is, where do you draw the line. First a 
drum track, then maybe some strings, next thing you know, your a 
karaoke act. But done tastefully and artistically it shouldn't detract 
from a performance. 

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Here's an idea:

Rig up one of those cop car lights, or a blue light special device from 
K-Mart, and have it triggered any time you trigger a prerecorded piece 
of material.  You can tell the audience ahead of time... I'm playing 
everything you hear... unless this light comes on.  When it does, that 
means there is prerecorded material being played. :)

Damn, what started as an absurd thought might just be a nifty idea :)

Dig

Chris Sewell wrote:

> People that want to use backgrounds live can do so all you want. You 
> dont need to justify the practice by referencing archaic and obscure 
> examples. Its my own own personal preference to not use them but thats 
> me. However, if you do, realize some people, wether they are artists 
> themselves, or audience members have the right to respond in a 
> negative way. If you are entertaining and people come back (to pay) 
> then who's to say your wrong? But my fear is, where do you draw the 
> line. First a drum track, then maybe some strings, next thing you 
> know, your a karaoke act. But done tastefully and artistically it 
> shouldn't detract from a performance.
>

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It totally depends on the piece and how it's use to communicate a musical
idea and also (probably) the community in which you thrive. Maybe even how
old you are.

Looping is a pre-recorded background anyways, no? (like some of you have
stated).

p.s. I much prefer the fake $8 Ray-Bans from St. Marks Place because I can
never seem to hold onto a real pair.

-Patrick
www.patrickgrant.com

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on this subject-i went DEEP into the <stanitarium> archives and found a clip
from an old show from 1953 titled 'OMNIBUS' hosted by allister cooke,
nothing on the web except a little info on <www.tvtome.com>
anyway there is a scene i have on vid of Les Paul&Mary Ford being
interviewed by A.Cooke about mutitracking-and believe it or not Les is
'paulverizing' the audience w/ <8> Ampex tape recorders-playin his guitar
into the machines, building up tracks and then Mary Ford builds up some
vocal tracks-'How High the Moon'-and then they play and sing the whole
arrangement-'live' over the  24 backing tracks!!...
here's the kicker tho-the way it looks, ALL tracks were prerecorded-cause he
is pretending to be hitting buttons for 'record' and then 'play'-no cueing
up or anything, and he never really seems to really touch a button at all...
doubt anyone has this whole show on tape but what i got is a great piece of
an early version of the 'les paulverizer'...i'm thinkin, anyway.
s

> At 4:14 AM -0800 1/2/05, Tim Nelson wrote:
> 
>> I sort of did a 'les paulverizer' stunt onstage once
> 
> It's probably worth noting that the Les Paulverizer was actually
> nothing more than a tape deck with a play/pause control mounted on
> Les's guitar. All the material on the tape was pre-recorded.

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Many thanks, David!


> [Original Message]
> From: David Kirkdorffer <vze2ncsr@verizon.net>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: 1/2/2005 1:07:15 PM
> Subject: OT: Yahoo Privacy
>
> someone just forwarded this to idm-l; might be pertinent for anyone here
who
> is part of a yahoogroup.
>
>
> "Hi folks,
>
> In case you are interested in protecting your online privacy: Yahoo
> is now using something called "Web Beacons" to track Yahoo Group
> users around the net and see what you're doing and where you are
> going - similar to cookies. Yahoo is recording every website and
> every group you visit. Take a look at their updated privacy
> statement:  http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy
> http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy
>
> About half-way down the page, in the section on cookies, you will
> see a link that says web beacons.
> Click on the phrase "web beacons":
> http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/beacons/details.html
>
> That will bring you to a paragraph entitled "Outside the Yahoo
> Network." In this section you'll see a little "click here to opt
> out" link that will let you "opt-out" of their new method of
> snooping. Once you have clicked that link, you are exempted.
>
> Notice the "Success" message on the top of the next page.
> Be careful because on that page there is a "Cancel Opt-out" button
> that, if clicked, will *undo** the opt-out.
>
> Feel free to forward this to other groups."
>
>



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In a message dated 1/2/2005 2:50:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> Anyone know how I can get a hold of Mark Mitchell, who created a PC and
> MAC based MIDI editor for the LXP-5?  His email address on the lexicon
> website is incorrect, listed as sonarte@itesocci.gdl.iteso.mx
> "With the LEXIFACE LXP-5 editor software you can easily use it to its
> full potential (without having to buy an MRC)."
> 

No. But I got an editor sometime ago called SoftMC that works on LXP-1,5,15 
etc and was slick.  It works on PC, not sure about MAC.  Try
www.tbsystems.com   

Dave Kline



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website is incorrect, listed as sonarte@itesocci.gdl.iteso.mx<BR>
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*Thank You!*
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(look, I can make a website too)
I am really interested in an lxp-1 editor also.



Violindave@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 1/2/2005 2:50:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes:
>
>
>> Anyone know how I can get a hold of Mark Mitchell, who created a PC and
>> MAC based MIDI editor for the LXP-5?  His email address on the lexicon
>> website is incorrect, listed as sonarte@itesocci.gdl.iteso.mx
>> "With the LEXIFACE LXP-5 editor software you can easily use it to its
>> full potential (without having to buy an MRC)."
>
>
>
> No. But I got an editor sometime ago called SoftMC that works on 
> LXP-1,5,15 etc and was slick.  It works on PC, not sure about MAC.  Try
> www.tbsystems.com
>
> Dave Kline
>
>

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More info from the Yahoo Privacy Statement on "Web Beacons".

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Sheeesh!

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> someone just forwarded this to idm-l; might be pertinent for anyone here 
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> "Hi folks,
> 
> In case you are interested in protecting your online privacy: Yahoo 
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> going - similar to cookies. Yahoo is recording every website and 
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> http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy
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> About half-way down the page, in the section on cookies, you will 
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>>Reading online, I see several discussions of ROM upgrades, as well as memory
upgrades. Does anyone have memory for this thing anymore? It only has the
stock 8 seconds.<<

the memory is hard to get now. lucky me, both of my band's units are 32 seconds. it's called "zip" memory, & you'd need four lumps of 8Mb.... the pins are staggered in-line, rather than two sides of a rectangle, if that makes sense. hence the "zip", I guess. it was expensive when it wasn't rare- I expect it's worse now. 

>>I have been to Bob Sellon's site and read about the ROM upgrades- has anyone
done this yet? There is mention of a Beta ROM V0.6- has anyone tried this?<<

I have the bob sellon software that includes "melotron" (sic) mode, the stereo output, the multiple pages & so forth. the problem I've had with it is that it completely destroys the UI. I would be terrified of taking an updated jam-man on stage & trying to use it in semi-darkness, even with the front panel legend altered. & you really need all the footswitches; we manage to use the stock units with just three (reset, tap & select) but to get full use out of the sellon version would need at least four. that's too many for our guitarist. :-)

(bob has used one of the panel controls exclusively, I think, to drive the optional novram- stock jam-mans never had this fitted anyway, since there simply weren't enough things configurable to warrant it. there are just about enough configurable items in the upgrade to require the addition of this novram, but it's not a job for a non-engineer to attempt.)

simply, there's too much going on in the upgraded unit. 
the stock jam-man, with or without the 32s of memory, is very easy to use & quite satisfying in most musical contexts. so my altered machine is going to be altered back down to stock. there are a couple of things that are worth keeping- the pannable stereo outputs & multiple simultaneous loops, but it all gets to be a bit of a headfuck in the context of a live improv.
one thing I would keep is being able to switch back & forth between loop & delay modes, though.

the thing it doesn't do very well (stock version, this is) is change tempo with a loop onboard- this applies whether you are using tap-tempo or the midi clock. also, if you are clocking it over midi, it carries on when the clock stops, & there doesn't seem to be anyway to either stop it or have it resync when the clock resumes. I got into some dialogue about this with the UK distributor back in 1996, but they couldn't help & I forgot about it by the time I got onto mr sellon- we just work around it.

>>Depending on the feasibility of upgrades, I may upgrade it, give it back and
show her what I did- or if she isn't interested in looping, I'd just buy it
from her.<<

I'd buy it anyway. give it a few days with the 8 seconds.... try using the clocked delay mode with infinite feedback instead of the loop modes.... um... that's the mode with the knob pointing straight up ("echo"). the select control alters the repeat depth with 16 being infinite.

has anyone stuck a manual up on the site? maybe I could scan one.....

duncan.


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;Reading online, I see several discussions of ROM =
upgrades, as well as memory</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>upgrades. Does anyone have memory for this thing anymore=
? It only has the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>stock 8 seconds.&lt;&lt;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>the memory is hard to get now. lucky me, both of my band'=
s units are 32 seconds. it's called &quot;zip&quot; memory, &amp; you'd nee=
d four lumps of 8Mb.... the pins are staggered in-line, rather than two sid=
es of a rectangle, if that makes sense. hence the &quot;zip&quot;, I guess.=
 it was expensive when it wasn't rare- I expect it's worse now. </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;I have been to Bob Sellon's site and read about t=
he ROM upgrades- has anyone</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>done this yet? There is mention of a Beta ROM V0.6- has =
anyone tried this?&lt;&lt;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have the bob sellon software that includes &quot;melotr=
on&quot; (sic) mode, the stereo output, the multiple pages &amp; so forth. =
the problem I've had with it is that it completely destroys the UI. I would=
 be terrified of taking an updated jam-man on stage &amp; trying to use it =
in semi-darkness, even with the front panel legend altered. &amp; you reall=
y need all the footswitches; we manage to use the stock units with just thr=
ee (reset, tap &amp; select) but to get full use out of the sellon version =
would need at least four. that's too many for our guitarist. :-)</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>(bob has used one of the panel controls exclusively, I th=
ink, to drive the optional novram- stock jam-mans never had this fitted any=
way, since there simply weren't enough things configurable to warrant it. t=
here are just about enough configurable items in the upgrade to require the=
 addition of this novram, but it's not a job for a non-engineer to attempt.=
)</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>simply, there's too much going on in the upgraded unit. <=
/FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the stock jam-man, with or without the 32s of memory, is=
 very easy to use &amp; quite satisfying in most musical contexts. so my al=
tered machine is going to be altered back down to stock. there are a couple=
 of things that are worth keeping- the pannable stereo outputs &amp; multip=
le simultaneous loops, but it all gets to be a bit of a headfuck in the con=
text of a live improv.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>one thing I would keep is being able to switch back &amp;=
 forth between loop &amp; delay modes, though.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>the thing it doesn't do very well (stock version, this is=
) is change tempo with a loop onboard- this applies whether you are using t=
ap-tempo or the midi clock. also, if you are clocking it over midi, it carr=
ies on when the clock stops, &amp; there doesn't seem to be anyway to eithe=
r stop it or have it resync when the clock resumes. I got into some dialogu=
e about this with the UK distributor back in 1996, but they couldn't help &=
amp; I forgot about it by the time I got onto mr sellon- we just work aroun=
d it.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;Depending on the feasibility of upgrades, I may u=
pgrade it, give it back and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>show her what I did- or if she isn't interested in loopi=
ng, I'd just buy it</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>from her.&lt;&lt;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'd buy it anyway. give it a few days with the 8 seconds.=
... try using the clocked delay mode with infinite feedback instead of the =
loop modes.... um... that's the mode with the knob pointing straight up (&q=
uot;echo&quot;). the select control alters the repeat depth with 16 being i=
nfinite.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>has anyone stuck a manual up on the site? maybe I could s=
can one.....</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>duncan.</FONT>
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thanks for this info. Lexicon has the manual pdf at their site, so I snagged
it. I also got in touch with someone who has the memory for $45 for all
4...I guess that is a good price, it is hard to judge things that are rare.
I have no idea why they picked this type of memory. 
Reading about the Sellon upgrades, there are some things that are very cool,
like the pannable stereo. A lot of it I couldn't imagine using, however. And
the descriptions were rather confusing after awhile!
 
Dave Eichenberger 
 <http://www.hazardfactor.com/> http://www.hazardfactor.com 

 to get now. lucky me, both of my band's units are 32 seconds. it's called
"zip" memory, & you'd need four lumps of 8Mb.... the pins are staggered
in-line, rather than two sides of a rectangle, if that makes sense. hence
the "zip", I guess. it was expensive when it wasn't rare- I expect it's
worse now. 

   

I have the bob sellon software that includes "melotron" (sic) mode, the
stereo output, the multiple pages & so forth. the problem I've had with it
is that it completely destroys the UI. I would be terrified of taking an
updated jam-man on stage & trying to use it in semi-darkness, even with the
front panel legend altered. &    


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I'd be interested in going, as there won't be any more
Monday Night Football. ;)

Haven't seen him play in a while and I need to make up
for missing out on Sco's, Frisell's, and Metheny's
recent shows here.

Paolo

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> 
> Happy New Years!
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> Some other good news is that Allan Holdsworth will
> be playing on the 
> East Coast of the USA for a bit, and will be down in
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> January 17th.
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Help, I don't know many loopers and music store employees seem to not be able to answer my question.  Can anyone please help?
 
I am an acoustic performer who wants to create multiple loops on the fly. I had the new boss RC 20 loop station for a while but it seemed lacking.  
 
I could not create a verse/bridge/chorus and toggle between the three because in order to save a phrase you must write(save) the phrase before moving to the next.  This shuts down the music.  Then you switch to the next phrase and save, shutting down the music again , etc.  So it is not really on the fly.
 
The other method is to presave phrases before the gig but with 11 banks that would only be enough for about 3 songs. Is there a loop pedal that does what I am looking for?
 
Thank you,
 
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David Toop wrote:

> Sad news: Hugh Davies died on the 1st January, 2005. Born in 1943, 
> Hugh was a pioneer of live electronic music, an inventor of musical 
> instruments, a composer, educator, and renowned researcher into the 
> history of electronic music. An assistant to Karlheinz Stockhausen 
> from 1964 to 1966, he participated in the recording of Stockhausen's 
> Mikrophonie I in 1965. Other recordings included wonderful LPs by 
> Music Improvisation Company and Gentle Fire, and his solo albums for 
> FMP and Grob. Anybody involved in live electronics, electronic 
> improvisation, hardware hacking, or, come to that, anybody who needs a 
> table in order to be able to perform, owes a debt to Hugh. He will be 
> sadly missed.

To learn about Hugh's work visit the Sonic Arts
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Best regards,
Eric

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I do the same thing, Acoustic solo stuff. My path to the Oberheim 
Echoplex was through the RC 20 as well. It will do all that and more. 
It does bother me that its a gibson product, but what can you do.
Good Luck.
On Jan 3, 2005, at 6:14 PM, Colin Spring wrote:

> Help, I don't know many loopers and music store employees seem to not 
> be able to answer my question.  Can anyone please help?
>  
> I am an acoustic performer who wants to create multiple loops on the 
> fly. I had the new boss RC 20 loop station for a while but it seemed 
> lacking. 
>   
> I could not create a verse/bridge/chorus and toggle between the three 
> because in order to save a phrase you must write(save) the phrase 
> before moving to the next.  This shuts down the music.  Then you 
> switch to the next phrase and save, shutting down the music again , 
> etc.  So it is not really on the fly.
>  
> The other method is to presave phrases before the gig but with 11 
> banks that would only be enough for about 3 songs. Is there a loop 
> pedal that does what I am looking for?
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> Colin
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  Colin Spring said...

 > The  other  method  is  to  presave phrases before the gig but with 11
 > banks  that  would  only  be enough for about 3 songs. Is there a loop
 > pedal that does what I am looking for?

Sounds like an Electrix Repeater would work well.

I know quite a few solo artists using it for exactly what you 
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Hey loopers,

I can't recall if this has mentioned around here yet but I came across=20=

this really cool free music program called Sonasphere.  Sorry If it's=20
already been mentioned here before I just found out about it.  It's=20
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it uses Audio Units, it is relevant to loopers if you are using=20
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with the developer, I just think it's cool and free!

Ed


Here's a description from the website:
There is a tutorial and a couple of videos there too.

In SONASPHERE, functional units, such as sound samples, effects and=20
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Space. Connections are made between these objects, using simple mouse=20
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to the hidden SONASPHERE master mixer object and master output object.=20=

These hidden objects are part of the SONASPHERE architecture and=20
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Parameters of these objects can be assigned to 3D coordinates of other=20=

objects within the 3D Environment. For example, the cutoff frequency of=20=

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object and the mixer object, represents the mixer's input gain.

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sometimes chaotic environment, are interesting and unique sound=20
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SONASPHERE brings physicality and a generative approach to=20
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Here's the website:

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I'm not sure if I first heard about these guys on LD, but I had grabbed 
"SpinDrum" last year and just rediscovered it on my harddrive.  A sort 
of digital archeology.  Anyway, gave them a visit and it looks like they 
have some interesting tools that LD'ers might enjoy.

http://www.ixi-software.net/content/software.html


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RE: Jamman RevisitedI have the memory chips for the Jamman!!!!!
I have enough to do three units.

I'll sell a set for $40.00

Stace


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  Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:20 AM
  Subject: RE: Jamman Revisited


  >>Reading online, I see several discussions of ROM upgrades, as well =
as memory=20
  upgrades. Does anyone have memory for this thing anymore? It only has =
the=20
  stock 8 seconds.<<=20

  the memory is hard to get now. lucky me, both of my band's units are =
32 seconds. it's called "zip" memory, & you'd need four lumps of 8Mb.... =
the pins are staggered in-line, rather than two sides of a rectangle, if =
that makes sense. hence the "zip", I guess. it was expensive when it =
wasn't rare- I expect it's worse now.=20

  >>I have been to Bob Sellon's site and read about the ROM upgrades- =
has anyone=20
  done this yet? There is mention of a Beta ROM V0.6- has anyone tried =
this?<<=20

  I have the bob sellon software that includes "melotron" (sic) mode, =
the stereo output, the multiple pages & so forth. the problem I've had =
with it is that it completely destroys the UI. I would be terrified of =
taking an updated jam-man on stage & trying to use it in semi-darkness, =
even with the front panel legend altered. & you really need all the =
footswitches; we manage to use the stock units with just three (reset, =
tap & select) but to get full use out of the sellon version would need =
at least four. that's too many for our guitarist. :-)

  (bob has used one of the panel controls exclusively, I think, to drive =
the optional novram- stock jam-mans never had this fitted anyway, since =
there simply weren't enough things configurable to warrant it. there are =
just about enough configurable items in the upgrade to require the =
addition of this novram, but it's not a job for a non-engineer to =
attempt.)

  simply, there's too much going on in the upgraded unit.=20
  the stock jam-man, with or without the 32s of memory, is very easy to =
use & quite satisfying in most musical contexts. so my altered machine =
is going to be altered back down to stock. there are a couple of things =
that are worth keeping- the pannable stereo outputs & multiple =
simultaneous loops, but it all gets to be a bit of a headfuck in the =
context of a live improv.

  one thing I would keep is being able to switch back & forth between =
loop & delay modes, though.=20

  the thing it doesn't do very well (stock version, this is) is change =
tempo with a loop onboard- this applies whether you are using tap-tempo =
or the midi clock. also, if you are clocking it over midi, it carries on =
when the clock stops, & there doesn't seem to be anyway to either stop =
it or have it resync when the clock resumes. I got into some dialogue =
about this with the UK distributor back in 1996, but they couldn't help =
& I forgot about it by the time I got onto mr sellon- we just work =
around it.

  >>Depending on the feasibility of upgrades, I may upgrade it, give it =
back and=20
  show her what I did- or if she isn't interested in looping, I'd just =
buy it=20
  from her.<<=20

  I'd buy it anyway. give it a few days with the 8 seconds.... try using =
the clocked delay mode with infinite feedback instead of the loop =
modes.... um... that's the mode with the knob pointing straight up =
("echo"). the select control alters the repeat depth with 16 being =
infinite.

  has anyone stuck a manual up on the site? maybe I could scan one.....=20

  duncan.=20



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attempt.)</FONT></P>
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I have an Oberheim EDP (beige panel, maximum memory) has a noise problem
and I'm wondering if it may have something to do with the voltage
regulator overheating issues I read about in the archives.

Say I record a loop and I leave the unit running for a long time (a few
hours).  Eventually the loop will deteriorate, and any new overdubs I
apply at that point also come back immediately degredated.  It kind of
sounds as if the D/A becomes starved for voltage.  I have noticed that my
unit gets pretty hot right around where I've read the voltage regulator
lives.

I should add that turning the unit off for 5-10 seconds fixes the problem.

Another possible symptom is that I notice my loops contain an increased
level of hiss when compared with the input signal (I notice this
immediately after I hit record after recording a loop - it isn't due to
repeated overdubs).  The amount of hiss seems to vary at random.
Sometimes it's a little noticable but tolerable - other times it's
downright distracting.  I've read that these units are supposed to be
quiet and have some of the best audio performance specs of most of the
loopers that are out there.

Thanks in advance,
Tom

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Hi Tom,

I'm in the same boat as you.  After leaving a loop muted overnight, I
come back in the morning and it's degraded to hissy garble.

I've pondered resetting my memory sticks, though I've never gotten
around to it to test the theory.

I look forward to a fix.

Best regards,

Dylan DeAnda


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Subject: EDP Noise Problem (overheating?)

I have an Oberheim EDP (beige panel, maximum memory) has a noise problem
and I'm wondering if it may have something to do with the voltage
regulator overheating issues I read about in the archives.

Say I record a loop and I leave the unit running for a long time (a few
hours).  Eventually the loop will deteriorate, and any new overdubs I
apply at that point also come back immediately degredated.  It kind of
sounds as if the D/A becomes starved for voltage.  I have noticed that
my
unit gets pretty hot right around where I've read the voltage regulator
lives.

I should add that turning the unit off for 5-10 seconds fixes the
problem.

Another possible symptom is that I notice my loops contain an increased
level of hiss when compared with the input signal (I notice this
immediately after I hit record after recording a loop - it isn't due to
repeated overdubs).  The amount of hiss seems to vary at random.
Sometimes it's a little noticable but tolerable - other times it's
downright distracting.  I've read that these units are supposed to be
quiet and have some of the best audio performance specs of most of the
loopers that are out there.

Thanks in advance,
Tom

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A littel heads for you guys. Just tried the Electro Harmonix POG pedal. 
Holy crap. I usually hate EH gear, but I gotta say, its the coolest 
octave (type) pedal ever. It tracks unbelievably fast.  Its pricey but 
very cool.
So anyone in the market for a RC 20. Cause I have to get one of these. 
Let me know.

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Hi,

Please let me know how much you want for the RC20 and where you are located.

Cheers,

Tryg

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http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/top20dec.html

WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for December, 2004.
Shows #402 to #406; 2-December-2004 to 30-December-2004
Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order.
Compiled by Bill Fox
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic


ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
===========================================================
Al Gromer Khan and Emin Corrado - Tantra Electronica - New Earth
Brannan Lane - Piano Dreams and Nightscapes - Ambient Circle Music
David Parsons - Vajra - Groove
Detlef Keller - The Story of the Clouds - Audio Works
Detlef Keller - Ways To the Rainbow - Manikin
Erik Norlander - Seas of Orion - Quantum
Erik Seifert - Thrust Avis - Spheric
Fanger and Schonwalder - Analog Overdose; The Ricochet Dream Edition - 
Ricochet Dream
Jeffrey Koepper - Etherea - Air Space
Klaus Schulze - Ballet 1 - Rainhorse/Manikin
Klaus Schulze - Ballet 2 - Rainhorse/Manikin
Klaus Schulze - Ballet 3 - Rainhorse/Manikin
Klaus Schulze - Ballet 4 - Rainhorse/Manikin
Klaus Schulze vs. Solar Moon - Docking - Rainhorse/Manikin
Lustmord - Heresy - Soleilmoon
Magic Sound Fabric - Freedom Star - Spiralight
Marhus Reuter and Ian Boddy - Pure - DiN
Remy - Different Shades of Dust - AKH
Steve Roach - Places Beyond - Lost Pieces 4 - Timeroom Editions
Various Artists - Liquid Sound Volume 1 - Liquid Sound Music

Bill
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Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at
11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 
93.9 FM
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Things are gearing up for the new year, and two new performance venues 
to kick things off:

Jan. 7, Friday, 8-9:30PM Essential Cafe (1604 N. 34th Street)
Jan. 8, Saturday, 8-10PM Caffe Bella (2621 5th Ave.)


Be seeing you,

Travis


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I have a ton of old stuff recorded to 4 track cassette.  I've been copying
it to my PC using my delta 1010 and Vegas so I end up with a project with
the 4 tracks.  I usually just set it up to record and leave the room.  So
the entire tape gets recorded.  

 

What I want to do next, and haven't found a good way to do yet, is to then
chop up the pieces I'm interested in and delete the rest. Only a small part
of the tapes are interesting to me.  So I need something that will let me
copy and paste 4 tracks at the same time and create new projects.  

 

What programs are good at this?  

 

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rest. Only a small part of the tapes are interesting to me.&nbsp; So I =
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You can do this in Vegas. I just happen to have the same software/card. =0D
=0D
The key is to do global edits and global slides. =0D
=0D
If you want to save drive space, you'll need to render the tracks back ou=
t
as a wav on at a time. Make sure the all stay in sync and have the exact
same start point.=0D
=0D
1. in the time line find the start point=0D
2. make a mark at that point=0D
3. splice all tracts at that starting point.=0D
4. remove the audio between the start of the time line and the start of t=
he
song=0D
5. select all tracks=0D
6. with all tracks selected, move the audio to the 00:00:00:00 start poin=
t
in the time line. =0D
7. Trim the tail at the end of the song. =0D
8. Save the sequence. =0D
=0D
=0D
IF=0D
9. If your goal is to save drive space and dump the original 4track dump,
then render all track individually to a new wav file. =0D
10. Then open a new project and drag all files back into the time line
starting at 00:00:00:00=0D
=0D
=0D
Repeat the for other song 2, 3, ect....=0D
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If you have further questions, mail, sonyart@comcast.net=0D
I wont be on this account much in the next few days.  =0D
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=0D
         Encoding Specs (dynamic tool)=0D
http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls=0D
           Free Player URL=0D
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Date: 01/06/05 13:30:54=0D
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I have a ton of old stuff recorded to 4 track cassette.  I=92ve been copy=
ing
it to my PC using my delta 1010 and Vegas so I end up with a project with
the 4 tracks.  I usually just set it up to record and leave the room.  So
the entire tape gets recorded.  =0D
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What I want to do next, and haven=92t found a good way to do yet, is to t=
hen
chop up the pieces I=92m interested in and delete the rest. Only a small =
part
of the tapes are interesting to me.  So I need something that will let me
copy and paste 4 tracks at the same time and create new projects.  =0D
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What programs are good at this?  =0D
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<DIV>1. in the time line find the start point</DIV>
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<DIV>3. splice all tracts at that starting point.</DIV>
<DIV>4. remove the audio between the start of the time line and the start=
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<DIV>IF</DIV>
<DIV>9. If your goal is to save drive space and dump the original 4track =
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Why is Vegas not the tool for this? I'm not sitting in front of it, but I assume
there is a way to generate individual audio files from a portion of the
original... 

I have used it doing something similar with 8 tracks from ADAT, although I
didn't physically delete the non-used audio... I loaded up my Vegas project for
a given ADAT tape, did a 'save as' for the first track, edited out what I
didn't want, and saved the new project... rinse and repeat for each new
track... so, I had like 5-10 projects per tape, which all used the same audio
files... at this point I made a backup of the audio files and the Vegas
projects on to CD, and then proceeded to do the edits, etc...

peace
-cpr

Quoting Bill Wolf <wiw@nyc.rr.com>:

> I have a ton of old stuff recorded to 4 track cassette.  I've been copying
> it to my PC using my delta 1010 and Vegas so I end up with a project with
> the 4 tracks.  I usually just set it up to record and leave the room.  So
> the entire tape gets recorded.  
> 
>  
> 
> What I want to do next, and haven't found a good way to do yet, is to then
> chop up the pieces I'm interested in and delete the rest. Only a small part
> of the tapes are interesting to me.  So I need something that will let me
> copy and paste 4 tracks at the same time and create new projects.  
> 
>  
> 
> What programs are good at this?  
> 
>  
> 
> thanks
> 
> 




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Hi Bill,

I am doing some of the same type of thing myself. I just did a test in Logic 
Audio with a song with a number of tracks in it. I cut across five of the 
tracks at the same point, selected only the cut portions and then copied 
these portions. Then I created a new file and pasted them into the newly 
created file. They played back as they should have with no problem. Are you 
sure Vegas can't do this? It seems like a pretty normal bit of work to 
expect a multi-track program to handle. Double check your manual it is 
probably hidden in there somewhere.

BTW: I use a Delta 66 for my transfers. It works great too. The M-Audio 
stuff is pretty nice.

Good luck Bill. Happy New Year!

Cheers,

pG

--------------

>From: "Bill Wolf" <wiw@nyc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Subject: Multi track editing question
>Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:30:38 -0500
>
>I have a ton of old stuff recorded to 4 track cassette.  I've been copying
>it to my PC using my delta 1010 and Vegas so I end up with a project with
>the 4 tracks.  I usually just set it up to record and leave the room.  So
>the entire tape gets recorded.
>
>
>
>What I want to do next, and haven't found a good way to do yet, is to then
>chop up the pieces I'm interested in and delete the rest. Only a small part
>of the tapes are interesting to me.  So I need something that will let me
>copy and paste 4 tracks at the same time and create new projects.
>
>
>
>What programs are good at this?
>
>
>
>thanks
>


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i just found this realvideo clip of John Paul Jones doing live looping with
his Kyma/Capybara.
http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Community/JohnPaulJones


-Michael


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Thanks, great info all.

I guess I'm not comfortable using the same wavs for multiple projects.  And
I do want to conserve disk space rather than make a copy of the full 4
tracks for each project.  

Sony F: I'll try your vegas specific suggestions out.  I like the idea of
rendering the individual tracks out to their own wavs. 

I guess I want to do the same kind of thing I do when I sometimes copy vinyl
to mp3; I record the entire thing, look at the wav file in soundforge, and
just copy and paste into individual wavs.  I just wish it could handle more
than 2 tracks.

Thanks all.

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Bill,

 You don't have to copy the audio for each project. Vegas does non-destructive
editing, meaning you can open the same wave files for each project, cut out
what you don't want for each one, and it doesn't effect the actual wave file.
So, again in my case, I have one copy of the 8 tracks from ADAT and a Vegas
project for each song... of course, once I am done editing the songs I render
them to a stereo wave file... and I copy the audio files and the Vegas projects
off onto CD and delete them from my harddrive...

peace
-cpr

Quoting Bill Wolf <wiw@nyc.rr.com>:

> Thanks, great info all.
> 
> I guess I'm not comfortable using the same wavs for multiple projects.  And
> I do want to conserve disk space rather than make a copy of the full 4
> tracks for each project.  
> 
> Sony F: I'll try your vegas specific suggestions out.  I like the idea of
> rendering the individual tracks out to their own wavs. 
> 
> I guess I want to do the same kind of thing I do when I sometimes copy vinyl
> to mp3; I record the entire thing, look at the wav file in soundforge, and
> just copy and paste into individual wavs.  I just wish it could handle more
> than 2 tracks.
> 
> Thanks all.
> 
> 




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as long as the starting point is the same when you render the tracks out, 
it's easy re-aline. Keep in mind that with digital sample rate is speed, 
unlike the analog world where power, transport...and other factors adjust 
speed.


At 05:13 AM 1/7/2005, Bill Wolf wrote:
>Thanks, great info all.
>
>I guess I'm not comfortable using the same wavs for multiple projects.  And
>I do want to conserve disk space rather than make a copy of the full 4
>tracks for each project.
>
>Sony F: I'll try your vegas specific suggestions out.  I like the idea of
>rendering the individual tracks out to their own wavs.
>
>I guess I want to do the same kind of thing I do when I sometimes copy vinyl
>to mp3; I record the entire thing, look at the wav file in soundforge, and
>just copy and paste into individual wavs.  I just wish it could handle more
>than 2 tracks.
>
>Thanks all.

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Very nice!!! It's great to see more videos of looping. Do you know what
he was using as a looping device?

K-

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From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de] 
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 1:58 AM
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: live looping in Kyma


i just found this realvideo clip of John Paul Jones doing live looping
with his Kyma/Capybara.
http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Community/JohnPaulJones


-Michael



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<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Very nice!!! It's =
great to see more videos of looping. Do you know what he was using as a =
looping device?</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">K-</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">********************************* </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Krispen Hartung =
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<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">View =
improvisational / real-time looping videos: </FONT></SPAN>

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<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">From: Michael =
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<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Sent: Friday, =
January 07, 2005 1:58 AM</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">To: Loopers =
Delight</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Subject: live =
looping in Kyma</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">i just found this =
realvideo clip of John Paul Jones doing live looping with his =
Kyma/Capybara. </FONT></SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Community/JohnPaulJ=
ones"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
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Dunno exactly, but Kyma's a hella looper:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/greentea/LooperConstructionKit.html


On Jan 7, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

> Very nice!!! It's great to see more videos of looping. Do you know 
> what he was using as a looping device?
>

> i just found this realvideo clip of John Paul Jones doing live looping 
> with his Kyma/Capybara. 
> http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Community/JohnPaulJones

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Dunno exactly, but Kyma's a hella looper:


http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/greentea/LooperConstructionKit.html



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Thanks CPR

That's part of the problem.  I'm not comfortable with having multiple
projects referencing the same WAV files.  It makes doing low level editing
of the wavs a huge pain.  Sometimes I want to apply effects directly to the
wavs rather than use the plug ins.  And I'd say 75% of the stuff on the
cassettes is junk anyway.

And part of it is a mindset thing for me.  I just like the clarity of having
a project organized in the simplest way. Because by and large, I'm a
disorganized mess!


-----Original Message-----
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Bill,

 You don't have to copy the audio for each project. Vegas does
non-destructive
editing, meaning you can open the same wave files for each project, cut out
what you don't want for each one, and it doesn't effect the actual wave
file.
So, again in my case, I have one copy of the 8 tracks from ADAT and a Vegas
project for each song... of course, once I am done editing the songs I
render
them to a stereo wave file... and I copy the audio files and the Vegas
projects
off onto CD and delete them from my harddrive...

peace

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     I'm reposting this from the Repeater-Users group.  The wishlist that Peter mentions is culled
from the same group.

         Stephen




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Hi all -

I've been in good communication with Electrix, and they will be 
releasing an OS upgrade for Repeater with something like 25 fixes and 
new features. The tentative date is late April. Re-compiling the 
software compressed the total size of the files and therefore allowed 
new code to be added. Whoo-hoo! I'm looking forward to this - they've 
been using our wishlist for guidance in their upgrade process.

They're basically re-releasing the other products with minor changes to 
differentiate the new release from the previous sets.

We are continuing as the service facility for all Electrix products. 
There's a link on their website, and they've been great about supplying 
parts to keep the product line running in everybody's racks.

More news soon,

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oh wow, I'm so happy I might cry. although I've long since worked 
Repeater bugs into my schtick, it would be so much better if they 
didn't happen at all!!


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>      I'm reposting this from the Repeater-Users group.  The wishlist 
> that Peter mentions is culled
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>
>          Stephen
>
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>
>
> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:31:02 -0800
>    From: Peter Toms <ptoms@condor-electronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Electrix press release from 12/17
>
> Hi all -
>
> I've been in good communication with Electrix, and they will be
> releasing an OS upgrade for Repeater with something like 25 fixes and
> new features. The tentative date is late April. Re-compiling the
> software compressed the total size of the files and therefore allowed
> new code to be added. Whoo-hoo! I'm looking forward to this - they've
> been using our wishlist for guidance in their upgrade process.
>
> They're basically re-releasing the other products with minor changes to
> differentiate the new release from the previous sets.
>
> We are continuing as the service facility for all Electrix products.
> There's a link on their website, and they've been great about supplying
> parts to keep the product line running in everybody's racks.
>
> More news soon,
>
> Peter Toms
> Condor Electronics Seattle
> 206 633 5190
> 206 633 0803
>
>
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has anyone heard if they are re-issuing the repeater?

sorry if this has been covered.


r.


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>      I'm reposting this from the Repeater-Users group.  The wishlist 
> that Peter mentions is culled
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>
>          Stephen
>
>
>
>
> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:31:02 -0800
>    From: Peter Toms <ptoms@condor-electronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Electrix press release from 12/17
>
> Hi all -
>
> I've been in good communication with Electrix, and they will be
> releasing an OS upgrade for Repeater with something like 25 fixes and
> new features. The tentative date is late April. Re-compiling the
> software compressed the total size of the files and therefore allowed
> new code to be added. Whoo-hoo! I'm looking forward to this - they've
> been using our wishlist for guidance in their upgrade process.
>
> They're basically re-releasing the other products with minor changes to
> differentiate the new release from the previous sets.
>
> We are continuing as the service facility for all Electrix products.
> There's a link on their website, and they've been great about supplying
> parts to keep the product line running in everybody's racks.
>
> More news soon,
>
> Peter Toms
> Condor Electronics Seattle
> 206 633 5190
> 206 633 0803
>
>
> 		
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In a message dated 1/7/05 3:23:42 PM, cello@zoekeating.com writes:


> I've long since worked
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At 2:56 PM -0500 1/7/05, monk wrote:
>has anyone heard if they are re-issuing the repeater?
>
>sorry if this has been covered.

http://www.electrixpro.com/

http://www.electrixpro.com/products/index.html

http://www.electrixpro.com/products/repeater.html
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Yeah, Thats gotta hurt.
On Jan 7, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

>
>  In a message dated 1/7/05 3:23:42 PM, cello@zoekeating.com writes:
>
>
>
> I've long since worked
>  Repeater bugs into my schtick
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>
>  great line!
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Yeah, Thats gotta hurt. 

On Jan 7, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:


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<bold><fontfamily><param>Optima</param><bigger> In a message dated
1/7/05 3:23:42 PM, cello@zoekeating.com writes:</bigger></fontfamily></bold>




<bold><fontfamily><param>Optima</param><bigger>I've long since worked</bigger></fontfamily></bold>

<bold><fontfamily><param>Optima</param><bigger> Repeater bugs into my
schtick</bigger></fontfamily></bold>




<bold><fontfamily><param>Optima</param><bigger> great line!</bigger></fontfamily></bold></excerpt>
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Excellent Bill! I wasn't clear on what your desire for individual files was, but
this totally makes sense.. :) Good look.. :)

peace
-cpr

Quoting Bill Wolf <wiw@nyc.rr.com>:

> Thanks CPR
> 
> That's part of the problem.  I'm not comfortable with having multiple
> projects referencing the same WAV files.  It makes doing low level editing
> of the wavs a huge pain.  Sometimes I want to apply effects directly to the
> wavs rather than use the plug ins.  And I'd say 75% of the stuff on the
> cassettes is junk anyway.
> 
> And part of it is a mindset thing for me.  I just like the clarity of having
> a project organized in the simplest way. Because by and large, I'm a
> disorganized mess!
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Bill,
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>  You don't have to copy the audio for each project. Vegas does
> non-destructive
> editing, meaning you can open the same wave files for each project, cut out
> what you don't want for each one, and it doesn't effect the actual wave
> file.
> So, again in my case, I have one copy of the 8 tracks from ADAT and a Vegas
> project for each song... of course, once I am done editing the songs I
> render
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> off onto CD and delete them from my harddrive...
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i just got this...

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> From: "Sales @ Electrix" <sales@electrixpro.com>
> Date: January 7, 2005 6:06:51 PM EST
> To: "'monk'" <monk@fuse.net>
> Subject: RE: any dealers?
>
> We are in the process of setting up a new dealer network and will be 
> making
> announcements on that and on new products through out newsletter. You 
> can
> sign up to receive it on our homepage www.electrixpro.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:24 PM
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> Subject: any dealers?
>
>
> any dealers in southern ohio?
>
> will you be re-issuing the repeater?
>
> thanks
>
>
> monk@fuse.net
>
> www.richordinski.com
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i just got this...


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<excerpt><bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>From:
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<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Date: </color></bold>January
7, 2005 6:06:51 PM EST

<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>To: </color></bold>"'monk'"
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<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Subject: </color>RE: any
dealers?

</bold>

We are in the process of setting up a new dealer network and will be
making

announcements on that and on new products through out newsletter. You
can

sign up to receive it on our homepage www.electrixpro.com




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From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] 

Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:24 PM

To: sales@electrixpro.com

Subject: any dealers?



any dealers in southern ohio?


will you be re-issuing the repeater?


thanks



monk@fuse.net


www.richordinski.com


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Along with Sony's Vegas (damn, I want to keep calling it Sonic Foundry's 
Vegas since they developed it and Sony only bought them out)
which is a wonderful and very intuitive audio program there is also  Adobe's 
AUDITION which used to be called Cool Edit Pro.
It allows for multi track editing and has all the cool features of programs 
like Sony SOUNDFORGE and Steinberg's WAVE LAB.

It also has a wonderful convolution algorithms as well as a couple of 
idiosncratic features like the MUSIC feature which allows you to
notate a melody and then have your sample play that melody in real time over 
the length of the sample.

What's amazing about that program is that it was fully functional in 
1989!!!!   Way out ahead of the other sound editing programs.

What I love about the SONY/Sonic Foundry programs is that they are amongst 
the most intuitive and easy to learn programs on the market and if you
understand ACID,  it's a cinch to understand SOUND FORGE and VEGAS and vice 
versa.
I'd be primarily a Mac person to this day if that family had been ported to 
the Mac five years ago......................lol,  but then I wouldn't be 
able to use
FLStudio, which is my favorite program in the universe right now and the one 
I composed nearly all of my new CD on.    That program, imho, is the best 
bang for the buck (at $150) in the entire musical software realm (with the 
exception of the $25 it takes to by full versions of the loop slicer TU 2 
and the wonderful granular synthesis program that list member Michael Peters 
uses so beautifully----Granulab). 

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HI I know this is a really old topic but I would just like to ask the 
original poster where they got such a cool sounding bootleg from, I have 
searched Kazaa and Win Mx but to no avail.

really want to see this vid.

Phill


>speakin o' the zvex-i just got a bootleg video of one of my main men-J
>MASCIS late of Dinosaur Jr playing an acoustic set-just an acoustic guitar
>and a coupla floor efx and singin.

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hello!


IŽm a singer searchin for an efffect, that is relatively easy to handle for
life.

I have the kaoss-pad in connection with a jam man now, but unfortunately I
have to give the jam man back :((. So IŽm searchin for something similar,
that is able to loop and to put more loops/voices on the loop  And that is
able to create a delay in different speeds.

hope you understood me and can give me some good advices


greetings from hamburg, 


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I'd recommend the Line6 DL4 as a good starting point.

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hello!


IŽm a singer searchin for an efffect, that is relatively easy to handle
for life.

I have the kaoss-pad in connection with a jam man now, but unfortunately
I have to give the jam man back :((. So IŽm searchin for something
similar, that is able to loop and to put more loops/voices on the loop
And that is able to create a delay in different speeds.

hope you understood me and can give me some good advices


greetings from hamburg, 


sahra

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thanx!

just checked it on the l-d page!

didn=B4t really understand if there is a replacement function, as the =
jamman has.
and: can there be saved a few loops at the sime time and then played =
after each other?
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  I'd recommend the Line6 DL4 as a good starting point.

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  hello!


  I=B4m a singer searchin for an efffect, that is relatively easy to =
handle
  for life.

  I have the kaoss-pad in connection with a jam man now, but =
unfortunately
  I have to give the jam man back :((. So I=B4m searchin for something
  similar, that is able to loop and to put more loops/voices on the loop
  And that is able to create a delay in different speeds.

  hope you understood me and can give me some good advices


  greetings from hamburg,=20


  sahra

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>thanx!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>just checked it on the l-d page!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>didn=B4t really understand if there is a replacement =
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  <A title=3Drs@moinlabs.de href=3D"mailto:rs@moinlabs.de">Rainer =
Thelonius=20
  Balthasar Straschill</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> AW: loop delay effect =
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>I'd recommend the Line6 DL4 as a good starting=20
  point.<BR><BR>-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----<BR>Von: <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:missahra@gmx.de">missahra@gmx.de</A> =
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  =
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but=20
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searchin for=20
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loops/voices on the=20
  loop<BR>And that is able to create a delay in different =
speeds.<BR><BR>hope=20
  you understood me and can give me some good =
advices<BR><BR><BR>greetings from=20
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The DL4 is basically a delay with a looper thrown in as a bonus. What it
will do: record loops, overdub loops (albeit with a non-adjustable
feedback, so there is no real "replace", i.e. where you record on top of
an existing loop and after you're through, the original loop is replaced
by what you overdubbed), switch forward/reverse and do half-speed (or
double speed, if you recorded in half-speed mode). There are several
different nice delay algorithms, models of "vintage" delays (like a
Roland Space Echo) as well as practical delay implementations (ducked
delay, reverse delay, stereo, pingpong etc.). It's basically a very
user-friendly delay and a simple looper (where you can't store loops).
It's a small pedal. It does delay AND loops (even loops with delay), a
feat which e.g. the Boss RC-20 doesn't accomplish.
=20
Another option would be an Akai headrush, which is considerably cheaper,
and gives you REALLY long delays (23.8 seconds, to be precise). I still
have one of the Akais around which I don't need anymore - feel free to
inquire off-list if you might be interested (I'm residing in M=FCnchen
btw).
=20
        Rainer

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: missahra [mailto:missahra@gmx.de]=20
Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Januar 2005 18:02
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re: loop delay effect for singers?


thanx!
=20
just checked it on the l-d page!
=20
didn=B4t really understand if there is a replacement function, as the
jamman has.
and: can there be saved a few loops at the sime time and then played
after each other?

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rainer Thelonius  <mailto:rs@moinlabs.de> Balthasar Straschill=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 5:35 PM
Subject: AW: loop delay effect for singers?

I'd recommend the Line6 DL4 as a good starting point.

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: missahra@gmx.de [mailto:missahra@gmx.de]=20
Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Januar 2005 16:56
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: loop delay effect for singers?


hello!


I=B4m a singer searchin for an efffect, that is relatively easy to =
handle
for life.

I have the kaoss-pad in connection with a jam man now, but unfortunately
I have to give the jam man back :((. So I=B4m searchin for something
similar, that is able to loop and to put more loops/voices on the loop
And that is able to create a delay in different speeds.

hope you understood me and can give me some good advices


greetings from hamburg,=20


sahra

--=20
+++ GMX - die erste Adresse f=FCr Mail, Message, More +++
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DL4 is basically a delay with a looper thrown in as a bonus. What it =
will do:=20
record loops, overdub loops (albeit with a non-adjustable feedback, so =
there is=20
no real "replace", i.e. where you record on top of an existing loop and =
after=20
you're through, the original loop is replaced by what you overdubbed), =
switch=20
forward/reverse and do half-speed (or double speed, if you recorded in=20
half-speed mode). There are several different nice delay algorithms, =
models of=20
"vintage" delays (like a Roland Space Echo) as well as practical delay=20
implementations (ducked delay, reverse delay, stereo, pingpong etc.). =
It's=20
basically a very user-friendly delay and a simple looper (where you =
can't store=20
loops). It's a small pedal. It does delay AND loops (even loops with =
delay), a=20
feat which e.g. the Boss RC-20 doesn't accomplish.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D973241818-08012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D973241818-08012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>Another option would be an Akai headrush, which is considerably =
cheaper,=20
and gives you REALLY long delays (23.8 seconds, to be precise). I still =
have one=20
of the Akais around which I don't need anymore - feel free to inquire =
off-list=20
if you might be interested (I'm residing in M=FCnchen =
btw).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D973241818-08012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN =
class=3D973241818-08012005>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Rainer</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  size=3D2>-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----<BR><B>Von:</B> missahra=20
  [mailto:missahra@gmx.de] <BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Samstag, 8. Januar 2005=20
  18:02<BR><B>An:</B> =
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  loop delay effect for singers?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>thanx!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>just checked it on the l-d page!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>didn=B4t really understand if there is a =
replacement function,=20
  as the jamman has.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>and: can there be saved a few loops at the sime =
time and=20
  then played after each other?</FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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2005 5:35=20
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> AW: loop delay =
effect for=20
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    <DIV><BR></DIV>I'd recommend the Line6 DL4 as a good starting=20
    point.<BR><BR>-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----<BR>Von: <A=20
    href=3D"mailto:missahra@gmx.de">missahra@gmx.de</A> =
[mailto:missahra@gmx.de]=20
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    =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
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    loop delay effect for singers?<BR><BR><BR>hello!<BR><BR><BR>I=B4m a =
singer=20
    searchin for an efffect, that is relatively easy to handle<BR>for=20
    life.<BR><BR>I have the kaoss-pad in connection with a jam man now, =
but=20
    unfortunately<BR>I have to give the jam man back :((. So I=B4m =
searchin for=20
    something<BR>similar, that is able to loop and to put more =
loops/voices on=20
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    speeds.<BR><BR>hope you understood me and can give me some good=20
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I'll second Rick's recommendations of both Adobe Audition and FL Studio - I 
use them both, sometimes running FLS as a VSTi plugin in Audition, so I can 
use both together! :o)

my last CD, Grace and Gratitude was done in Audition, and the one before 
that, For The Love Of Open Spaces, was all done in FL Studio.

cheers!

Steve
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> Along with Sony's Vegas (damn, I want to keep calling it Sonic Foundry's 
> Vegas since they developed it and Sony only bought them out)
> which is a wonderful and very intuitive audio program there is also 
> Adobe's AUDITION which used to be called Cool Edit Pro.
> It allows for multi track editing and has all the cool features of 
> programs like Sony SOUNDFORGE and Steinberg's WAVE LAB.
>
> It also has a wonderful convolution algorithms as well as a couple of 
> idiosncratic features like the MUSIC feature which allows you to
> notate a melody and then have your sample play that melody in real time 
> over the length of the sample.
>
> What's amazing about that program is that it was fully functional in 
> 1989!!!!   Way out ahead of the other sound editing programs.
>
> What I love about the SONY/Sonic Foundry programs is that they are amongst 
> the most intuitive and easy to learn programs on the market and if you
> understand ACID,  it's a cinch to understand SOUND FORGE and VEGAS and 
> vice versa.
> I'd be primarily a Mac person to this day if that family had been ported 
> to the Mac five years ago......................lol,  but then I wouldn't 
> be able to use
> FLStudio, which is my favorite program in the universe right now and the 
> one I composed nearly all of my new CD on.    That program, imho, is the 
> best bang for the buck (at $150) in the entire musical software realm 
> (with the exception of the $25 it takes to by full versions of the loop 
> slicer TU 2 and the wonderful granular synthesis program that list member 
> Michael Peters uses so beautifully----Granulab). 

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I haven't seen a formal announcement from Electrix that they'll be 
reissuing the Repeater hardware.  It's sort of implied, but nothing 
firm.  The software is being updated, but it's a lot easier and cheaper 
to post an OS update to the website than it is to gear up for a new 
production run of boxes based on four-year old technology.

Of course, they announced they were going to release the original unit 
a year before they actually did, so it still all seems up in the air to 
me.  But, keep your fingers crossed.

TravisH

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> From: monk <monk@fuse.net>
> Date: January 7, 2005 11:56:21 AM PST
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Electrix press release from 12/17
>
>
> has anyone heard if they are re-issuing the repeater?
>
> sorry if this has been covered.
>
>
> r.

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> Hello all -
> 
> I just re-released one CD and released a new CD on CafePress.com, both
> of which include new and improved CD artwork, 4 panel color sleeves,
> clear jewel cases, etc.  I received copies for myself in the mail
> today, and I am very pleased with the quality of the production and
> packaging.so much so, that I'll be using CafePress for my new CD later
> this year.
> 
> 1. Hume's Fork - "Assaults & Reprieves"
> 
> A collection of instrumental, progressive rock space jams that emanate
> sheer madness and an uncanny collective band consciousness. The songs
> on this CD were spontaneously composed and recorded live between April
> 5, 1996 and August 9, 1997. 
> 
> Krispen Hartung - Guitar, guitar synthesizer
> Aaron Davis - Keyboard
> Jeremy Anderson - Bass
> Jeremy Olson - Drums
> 
> Listen to/download sound clips here:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/humesforkmusic.htm
> Buy here: http://www.cafepress.com/humesfork (CD and t-shirt)
> 
> 
> 2. Krispen Hartung & Vincent Miresse - "Live at the Kulture Klatsch"  
> 
> Improvisational world-fusion recorded live at the Kulture Klatsch on
> December 2, 2004 at Boise, Idaho.
> 
> Krispen Hartung - Acoustic guitar, real-time looping
> Vincent Miresse - Didjeridu, dumbek, singing bowl, bells, rainstick,
> udu, etc
> 
> Listen to/download sound clips here:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/hartungandmiressemusic.htm (CD)
> Buy here: http://www.cafepress.com/hartungmiresse
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Kris
> 
> ********************************* 
> Krispen Hartung 
> http://www.krispenhartung.com 
> info@krispenhartung.com
> View improvisational / real-time looping videos: 
> http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.
> htm#videos
> 

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Hello all -</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">I just re-released one CD and =
released a new CD on CafePress.com, both of which include new and =
improved CD artwork, 4 panel color sleeves, clear jewel cases, =
etc.&nbsp; I received copies for myself in the mail today, and I am very =
pleased with the quality of the production and packaging&#8230;so much =
so, that I'll be using CafePress for my new CD later this =
year.</FONT></P>

<P><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">1. Hume's Fork - &quot;Assaults =
&amp; Reprieves&quot;</FONT></B>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">A collection of instrumental, =
progressive rock space jams that emanate sheer madness and an uncanny =
collective band consciousness. The songs on this CD were spontaneously =
composed and recorded live between April 5, 1996 and August 9, 1997. =
</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Krispen Hartung - Guitar, guitar =
synthesizer</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Aaron Davis - Keyboard</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Jeremy Anderson - Bass</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Jeremy Olson - Drums</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Listen to/download sound clips here: =
</FONT><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/humesforkmusic.htm"><U><FONT =
COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Verdana">http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/humesforkmusic.htm</FO=
NT></U></A>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Buy here: </FONT><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.cafepress.com/humesfork"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" =
SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Verdana">http://www.cafepress.com/humesfork</FONT></U></A><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana"> (CD and t-shirt)</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">2. Krispen Hartung &amp; Vincent =
Miresse - &quot;Live at the Kulture Klatsch&quot;</FONT></B><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">&nbsp; </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Improvisational world-fusion recorded =
live at the Kulture Klatsch on December 2, 2004 at Boise, Idaho.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Krispen Hartung - Acoustic guitar, =
real-time looping</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Vincent Miresse - Didjeridu, dumbek, =
singing bowl, bells, rainstick, udu, etc</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Listen to/download sound clips here: =
</FONT><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/hartungandmiressemusic.htm"><U>=
<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Verdana">http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/hartungandmiressemusic=
.htm</FONT></U></A><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana"> (CD)</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Buy here: </FONT><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.cafepress.com/hartungmiresse"><U><FONT =
COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Verdana">http://www.cafepress.com/hartungmiresse</FONT></U></A>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Cheers,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Kris</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">********************************* =
</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Krispen Hartung </FONT>

<BR><A HREF=3D"http://www.krispenhartung.com"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" =
SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">http://www.krispenhartung.com</FONT></U></A><FONT =
SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial"> </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">info@krispenhartung.com</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">View improvisational / real-time =
looping videos: </FONT>

<BR><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catal=
ogue.htm#videos"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartun=
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Thanks to everyone who came out for the first PiNG at our
new residency at the Tequila Lounge last Wednesday. I heard
lots of positive comments about the vibe of the room, the good
quality sound of the PA and the video screen & monitors
around the room. Self Service Visuals donated one of their
tapes to the PiNG and we'll be playing parts of it between future
sets, along with more footage from Eno's Thursday Afternoon
and other atmospheric visuals. Visual artists are encouraged to
contact me about having their work presented at PiNG events.

Repair played two beautiful sets of textures and grooves. Read
about it in Luna Tek's "IN THE LOOP" column later in this update.

See you Wednesdays... Scott M2
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Every Wednesday Night @ THE TEQUiLA LOUNGE
http://www.tequilalounge.ca - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor
(directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto
Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan
map - http://www.theambientping.com/maps/tequila.gif
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Wed. Jan.12th - ARC with Pholde + low frequency pilot

Guitar and percussion trio ARC reunite with the unique
metal soundsculpture sonics of Pholde (Alan Bloor aka Knurl)
to explore atmospheric textures and tribalesque rhythms
blurring the boundaries between noise and ambience,
propulsive proto-rock and avant-garde experimentalism.
http://fade.to/arc    http://www.pholde.com

Hamilton-based "trio low frequency pilot" opens the evening
with guitar, drums, electronics & treatments in a post-rock,
spiraling meltdown, crashing just this side of Dreamland.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/lowfrequencypilot.htm

Between Sets CD - "Himalaya" by David Parsons
New Zealand composer David Parsons has created many works
with Asian influences. Though he has worked extensively with
Indian instruments, this 1989 release is textured only with the
current analog & digital electronic instruments of the time. 
http://www.harmonies.com/biographies/parsons.htm
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming January 19th - Faceless Forces of Bigness
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

||: IN THE LOOP :||  "Repair: the Chill before the Storm"

THE AMBiENT PiNG moved to a new night and a new venue
on Wednesday, January 5, 2004. The first show at the Tequila
Lounge featured Repair with visuals by Self Service. Repair, a
trio best know for their techno/house beats, is comprised of
Mark & Matt Thibideau and vocalist Dawn Lewis. Despite arctic
temperatures and a storm watch, the trio played to a full house,
treating the crowd to an evening of ultra-cool chill-out music.

Repair structured both sets with a series of discrete songs
that combined their beat-centred synth stylings with Dawn's
spare vocal improvisations. The crowd reacted warmly,
clearly impressed by the trio's electronic virtuosity and
sense  of sonic adventure. Self Service offered two screens
of visuals, heightening the hip factor with reels of experimental
video art at its best. Jakob Thiesen and Rebecca McClennan,
the artists behind the projectors, presented evocative image
collages that looked to the past through an avant garde lens.
In keeping with the evening's governing sense of serendipity,
the video collages often seemed to evolve in synch with
Repair's down-tempo rhythms.

Curators of THE AMBiENT PiNG couldn't help but be pleased
with the turnout and Repair's high-calibre show. Speaking of
turnout, rumour has it that the show attracted some star-power
that night in the form of The Cure's keyboard player Roger
O'Donnell. Things are definitely looking up for TAP in the
New Year with a promising new venue and an impressive
line-up of acts booked well into the spring.

Repair's new limited-edition CD of rarities and previously
unreleased tracks is available through http://www.repair-lab.com.

Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews

"Foliage" by Foal is a masterpiece of the minimalist genre.
Sharp and abstract edges have been polished to a shine
and perfection, cold automatism has been matched with
emotionality and soul. The sounds of machinery are paired
with angular beats, creating clockwork body movement
music for humans and replicants alike. Stirring and
evocative, "Foliage" is a wonderful collection of music
fit to be discovered by those who are looking for something
a little more eclectic. 

rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com

http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things

Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting
live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and
experimental music artists plus performers from across the
continent, every Wednesday evening at The Tequila Lounge,
794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested
in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances
or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks.


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Dennis Montgomery <morpheus@speakeasy.net> wrote:Hi all, I just joined the group yesterday. I'm primarily a guitar/kybd 
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site. I listened to many of the loops from Andre LaFosse's tutorial site 
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 <BR>Echoplex and footpedal arriving this week and I'm very excited to be on <BR>a new sonic adventure!<BR><BR>Dennis<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><p>
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though I've never tried to do any looping. My 1st experience with 
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heard more of the Fripp Soundscape work and the Michael Brook 'Live at 
the Acquarium' recording. After listening to some Fripp&Eno lately I 
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and got hooked. I'm most interested in exploring the 'one-person-band' 
real-time composition aspects of looping. Well, the stars have finally 
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 <BR>Echoplex and footpedal arriving this week and I'm very excited to be on <BR>a new sonic adventure!<BR><BR>Dennis<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV><p>
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Welcome aboard!

Dennis Montgomery <morpheus@speakeasy.net> wrote: Hi all, I just joined the group yesterday. I'm primarily a guitar/kybd 
player and I've been writing/recording my own music for many years 
though I've never tried to do any looping. My 1st experience with 
looping was back in '78 or '79 when I saw Robert Fripp perform with his 
2 reel-to-reel decks at Tower Records in Campbell CA. Years later I 
heard more of the Fripp Soundscape work and the Michael Brook 'Live at 
the Acquarium' recording. After listening to some Fripp&Eno lately I 
started looking through the net and stumbled across the loopers-delight 
site. I listened to many of the loops from Andre LaFosse's tutorial site 
and got hooked. I'm most interested in exploring the 'one-person-band' 
real-time composition aspects of looping. Well, the stars have finally 
aligned and the time is right for me to plunge in. I've got a Gibson 
Echoplex and footpedal arriving this week and I'm very excited to be on 
a new sonic adventure!

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<DIV>Welcome aboard!<BR><BR><B><I>Dennis Montgomery &lt;morpheus@speakeasy.net&gt;</I></B> wrote: 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hi all, I just joined the group yesterday. I'm primarily a guitar/kybd <BR>player and I've been writing/recording my own music for many years <BR>though I've never tried to do any looping. My 1st experience with <BR>looping was back in '78 or '79 when I saw Robert Fripp perform with his <BR>2 reel-to-reel decks at Tower Records in Campbell CA. Years later I <BR>heard more of the Fripp Soundscape work and the Michael Brook 'Live at <BR>the Acquarium' recording. After listening to some Fripp&amp;Eno lately I <BR>started looking through the net and stumbled across the loopers-delight <BR>site. I listened to many of the loops from Andre LaFosse's tutorial site <BR>and got hooked. I'm most interested in exploring the 'one-person-band' <BR>real-time composition aspects of looping. Well, the stars have finally <BR>aligned and the time is right for me to plunge in. I've got a Gibson
 <BR>Echoplex and footpedal arriving this week and I'm very excited to be on <BR>a new sonic adventure!<BR><BR>Dennis<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV><p>
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     I only use Adobe Audition, never tried any other programs.  I can speak to the incredible
ease of use that Cool Edit (now Audition) implements.  Basically, if you understand recording with
hardware, Audition will be a breeze.  The latest upgrade (Audition 1.5) continues to add great
stuff like VST hosting, and complex stuff like editing with the marquee tool in spectral view. 
This means you can apply effects to a very specific frequency range as well as the usual time
range.  Way cool.

            Stephen


     Steve wrote:
> I'll second Rick's recommendations of both Adobe Audition and FL Studio - I 
> use them both, sometimes running FLS as a VSTi plugin in Audition, so I can 
> use both together! :o)


		
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Please forgive the cross post.  I hope this interests most of you.

Cheers,

Bill

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Call for participation

We proudly announce electro-music 2005 (TM), a three day international
conference/music festival to be held at the Cheltenham Art Center in
Philadelphia, June 3 - 5, 2005. The program will include lectures,
demos, jam sessions, and concerts.

The scope of this festival is very broad, covering all aspects of
electro-music, experimental electronic music, including circuit bending,
computer music, electro-jazz, modular synthesis, musique concrete,
improvisation, noodles (generative music, automatic and algorithmic
composition), multi-media, visual art and much more. The focus will be
on participant involvement, sharing, community development, audience
education, and great music.

Electro-music.com <http://electro-music.com> is an international
community of composers and musicians who share a passion for
electro-music. The community exists to create its own critical mass; to
enable its members to develop music on their own terms. Electro-music is
new music; still undefined; happening all over our planet. Electro-music
is the natural result of two techno/social trends: the availability of
low-cost powerful electronic music technology, and the communication
revolution enabled by the internet. Electro-music is not defined by a
particular style or sound, but by its primary motivation being the joy
of creation, and the love of electronic sounds; it crosses many genres.
For more information visit the event's web site.
<http://event.electro-music.com/>

Participation can consist of lectures, talks, tutorials, demos,
performances, robotic sculpture, presentations, concerts, automatic
music, or other appropriate expression. If you would like to contribute
to electro-music 2005 follow the instructions in one of the following
guideline documents:

      For speakers <http://electro-music.com/event.php?t=4698>
      For performers <http://electro-music.com/event.php?t=4697>
      For demos <http://electro-music.com/event.php?t=4699>

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Thanks Bill,

This is very, very interesting to me and New Millennium Guitar.  I'd 
like to participate but have to think about how.

Think I'd like to do a performance and lecture about the guitar string 
and how it represents chaos in the electronic world.

I'll be back in touch.

Thanks Again for having me on you mailing list.

Happy Trails,

Larry Cooperman
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Hey all,
I could definitely use some opinions on my audio working situation.  I
have a 1.7ghz P4 Carillon running Windows 2000, with an M-Audio Delta 66
card and the Omni breakout box.

Ableton Live is my primary program, and running that under ASIO, it's
fine.  The problem comes in when I need to edit.

My prog of choice thus far has been Wavelab 4.  However, The Delta 66
ASIO driver will not allow both Ableton and Wavelab to use ASIO at the
same time, so Wavelab will revert to WDM if Ableton is running.  If I
shut down Ableton, Wavelab can use the ASIO, but I can't be shutting
down my composition app every time I need to edit a waveform.

The performance of Wavelab under WDM is very spotty.  If I alter my
selection on the waveform while playing in loop mode, the output stops.
I have to stop playing, then start playing again for the audio to come
back.  Sound quality is also not as good as the ASIO either, but it's
these dropouts in the audio that have got me most flustered.

So, I read the posts regarding Adobe Audition with interest and
downloaded the trial.  Following a successful installation, I had the
audio drop out while altering the loop points during
playback....grrr....same as Wavelab.  This led me to believe that the
M-Audio driver is somehow glitchy, so I download and install the latest
driver.  The performance of Audition seems to improve considerably and I
don't get any audio dropouts during playback.

Now, I see that some of you are using Audition as a rewire host.  I
think, "great...I can have a recording program that is a straightforward
'timeline' based solution (Audition), that I can do waveform edits in
(Audition), and I can rewire my loop based program to (Ableton Live)".

I do use Live as a straightforward recording device and multitracker,
but sometimes I want to just record something without it being looped,
or attempted to warp it to a set tempo.

As soon as I enable Audition as a Rewire host and launch Ableton, I get
no more audio output.  What?  Shut down Ableton, restart Audition
without the rewire hosting, back to normal.  Engage Rewire hosting,
start Ableton...no audio output.

Grr...I don't know where to start troubleshooting!  Do I deal with tech
support with M-Audio?  Adobe?  Ableton?

Does anybody use a standalone recording app that hosts Ableton
successfully as a slave?

Frustrated,
Rich




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Along with Sony's Vegas (damn, I want to keep calling it Sonic Foundry's

Vegas since they developed it and Sony only bought them out)
which is a wonderful and very intuitive audio program there is also
Adobe's 
AUDITION which used to be called Cool Edit Pro.
It allows for multi track editing and has all the cool features of
programs 
like Sony SOUNDFORGE and Steinberg's WAVE LAB.

It also has a wonderful convolution algorithms as well as a couple of 
idiosncratic features like the MUSIC feature which allows you to
notate a melody and then have your sample play that melody in real time
over 
the length of the sample.

What's amazing about that program is that it was fully functional in 
1989!!!!   Way out ahead of the other sound editing programs.

What I love about the SONY/Sonic Foundry programs is that they are
amongst 
the most intuitive and easy to learn programs on the market and if you
understand ACID,  it's a cinch to understand SOUND FORGE and VEGAS and
vice 
versa.
I'd be primarily a Mac person to this day if that family had been ported
to 
the Mac five years ago......................lol,  but then I wouldn't be

able to use
FLStudio, which is my favorite program in the universe right now and the
one 
I composed nearly all of my new CD on.    That program, imho, is the
best 
bang for the buck (at $150) in the entire musical software realm (with
the 
exception of the $25 it takes to by full versions of the loop slicer TU
2 
and the wonderful granular synthesis program that list member Michael
Peters 
uses so beautifully----Granulab). 


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Os wrote:

> The main hurdle to doing a Windows version is that I just don't have a 
> PC. Donations gladly accepted :)

Well, you could start taking preorders :-) I reckon you'd raise the 
neccesary cash quite quickly.

*gets out his wallet*
Andreas

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Speaking of circuit-bending, has anybody heard of anybody hacking those
children's Voice Changer toy megapones?
If yes, does anybody have contact info for these audio infidels? 
Yours in SporeSurround,
Tim Mungenast
www.mungenast.com
www.cdbaby.com/mungenast


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> Cc: Greg Waltzer <egwaltzer@comcast.net>; Howard Moscovitz <h@mosc.com>
> Date: 1/9/2005 8:58:53 AM
> Subject: electro-music 2005
>
> Please forgive the cross post.  I hope this interests most of you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	[beyond_em] electro-music 2005
> Date: 	Sat, 08 Jan 2005 11:13:07 -0500
> From: 	Greg Waltzer <egwaltzer@comcast.net>
> Reply-To: 	beyond_em@yahoogroups.com
> To: 	SynthSights@yahoogroups.com, Philly_Ambient@yahoogroups.com, 
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>
>
> Call for participation
>
> We proudly announce electro-music 2005 (TM), a three day international
> conference/music festival to be held at the Cheltenham Art Center in
> Philadelphia, June 3 - 5, 2005. The program will include lectures,
> demos, jam sessions, and concerts.
>
> The scope of this festival is very broad, covering all aspects of
> electro-music, experimental electronic music, including circuit bending,
> computer music, electro-jazz, modular synthesis, musique concrete,
> improvisation, noodles (generative music, automatic and algorithmic
> composition), multi-media, visual art and much more. The focus will be
> on participant involvement, sharing, community development, audience
> education, and great music.
>
> Electro-music.com <http://electro-music.com> is an international
> community of composers and musicians who share a passion for
> electro-music. The community exists to create its own critical mass; to
> enable its members to develop music on their own terms. Electro-music is
> new music; still undefined; happening all over our planet. Electro-music
> is the natural result of two techno/social trends: the availability of
> low-cost powerful electronic music technology, and the communication
> revolution enabled by the internet. Electro-music is not defined by a
> particular style or sound, but by its primary motivation being the joy
> of creation, and the love of electronic sounds; it crosses many genres.
> For more information visit the event's web site.
> <http://event.electro-music.com/>
>
> Participation can consist of lectures, talks, tutorials, demos,
> performances, robotic sculpture, presentations, concerts, automatic
> music, or other appropriate expression. If you would like to contribute
> to electro-music 2005 follow the instructions in one of the following
> guideline documents:
>
>       For speakers <http://electro-music.com/event.php?t=4698>
>       For performers <http://electro-music.com/event.php?t=4697>
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Hey Loopies!
Does anyone know if anyone is hacking the circuit for those children's Voice Changer toy megaphones?
If yes, do you know how I can reach these mad geniuses?
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In a message dated 1/9/05 7:44:35 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes:

<< Does anyone know if anyone is hacking the circuit for those children's 
Voice Changer toy megaphones? >>

Hi

You might try asking Reed Ghazala.
I think he can be reached at:

http://www.anti-theory.com

It is my impression he travels quite a bit, so response to your query may not 
be immediate. 

regards
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Thanks!


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> << Does anyone know if anyone is hacking the circuit for those children's 
> Voice Changer toy megaphones? >>
>
> Hi
>
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>
> http://www.anti-theory.com
>
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Hi, it's breaking my heart but I have decided to sell my farfisa dual
manual VIP organ. This is one very cool and mojo infested piece and it's 
complete with the dual manual organ, original (1960s "hot rod" 
style) legs, bass pedals, and (get this) the original leather carrying
cases for the organ, legs, and pedals (in thick black leather made it
italy with the farfisa logo on them (Three bags!)

The VIP 610 was their "everything" model. It's got two manuals (4 ocatevs
I think)) with switchable Bass section so you can play bass notes on the
lower bottom ocatave. One Keyboard is their all-in-one strings, banjo,
piano type things and the upper octave is a full organ with multiple
drawbar sections. (there are also drawbar sections and switches for the
synth and bass sections).

This has an adjustable Wah-wah effect and the infamous
"syntheslalom" psychedelic sliiiiide. Small sliders for the various parts
ina  mixer section off to the left. Bass pedals are full size.

It's in very good shape and everything seems to work ok but one drawbar is
loose and the caps for the mixer section were loose so I took them off (I
svaed them all so it's 100% original and of course the sliders/ work
fine/ VERY retro design in color scheme and multiple slider
cap/drawbar colors etc. (I guess back then it wasn't retro it was
Future modern but who am I to quibble?) I think one of the cases has a
zipper problem but given you're putting a 40+KG full size organ in it it
might be I never bothered to lift it to zip it closed. Whatever.

Sounds great and has graced many a Pink Flodyish influenced jam session
for me over the years. Gigged with it once and then left it in the studio
ever since.

This is too big with too many items to ship and I want to sell it as a
package witht he bass pedals, bags etc. (you could make a nice leather
jacket ot of the bags alone :)) 

I live in Phila Pa and can deliver it within an hour or so as well. 

I am asking $250 obo which given it's completeness and condition is a very
good price IMO. If you have other ideas let me know. Trades or
partial possible but I'd rather just sell it and se it go to good use
somewhere else.  

Let me know if you're interested, if it doesn't sell directly I'll be
putting it up on consignment at a local store where it will list for a LOT
more as I'll need to cover their fees. I just need to move it out of the
house to make room for other stuff I have already  so if it's in their
store it can sit there until it makes the store rich. Buy it form me now
and get a bargain ;)

Thanks!



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Wow a walk down memory lane I don't play keys very well (real primitive
skills there) but, I used to play with a fellow who had one till he replaced
it with a Porta B err kinda telling about ones age eh ;) hahahaha

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Hi, it's breaking my heart but I have decided to sell my farfisa dual manual
VIP organ. This is one very cool and mojo infested piece and it's complete
with the dual manual organ, original (1960s "hot rod" 
style) legs, bass pedals, and (get this) the original leather carrying cases
for the organ, legs, and pedals (in thick black leather made it italy with
the farfisa logo on them (Three bags!)

The VIP 610 was their "everything" model. It's got two manuals (4 ocatevs I
think)) with switchable Bass section so you can play bass notes on the lower
bottom ocatave. One Keyboard is their all-in-one strings, banjo, piano type
things and the upper octave is a full organ with multiple drawbar sections.
(there are also drawbar sections and switches for the synth and bass
sections).

This has an adjustable Wah-wah effect and the infamous "syntheslalom"
psychedelic sliiiiide. Small sliders for the various parts ina  mixer
section off to the left. Bass pedals are full size.

It's in very good shape and everything seems to work ok but one drawbar is
loose and the caps for the mixer section were loose so I took them off (I
svaed them all so it's 100% original and of course the sliders/ work fine/
VERY retro design in color scheme and multiple slider cap/drawbar colors
etc. (I guess back then it wasn't retro it was Future modern but who am I to
quibble?) I think one of the cases has a zipper problem but given you're
putting a 40+KG full size organ in it it might be I never bothered to lift
it to zip it closed. Whatever.

Sounds great and has graced many a Pink Flodyish influenced jam session for
me over the years. Gigged with it once and then left it in the studio ever
since.

This is too big with too many items to ship and I want to sell it as a
package witht he bass pedals, bags etc. (you could make a nice leather
jacket ot of the bags alone :)) 

I live in Phila Pa and can deliver it within an hour or so as well. 

I am asking $250 obo which given it's completeness and condition is a very
good price IMO. If you have other ideas let me know. Trades or partial
possible but I'd rather just sell it and se it go to good use somewhere
else.  

Let me know if you're interested, if it doesn't sell directly I'll be
putting it up on consignment at a local store where it will list for a LOT
more as I'll need to cover their fees. I just need to move it out of the
house to make room for other stuff I have already  so if it's in their store
it can sit there until it makes the store rich. Buy it form me now and get a
bargain ;)

Thanks!



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On Jan 10, 2005, at 19:56, Alan Kroeger wrote:

> Wow a walk down memory lane I don't play keys very well (real primitive
> skills there) but, I used to play with a fellow who had one till he 
> replaced
> it with a Porta B err kinda telling about ones age eh ;) hahahaha


I once owned such a beautiful Farfisa. Some friends gave it to me 
including an Elka leslie cabinet in exchange for my Vox Continental 2, 
that they wanted for their band. And... he, he... I too am much older 
than I usually remember ;-)   (thanks for the reminder, l-o-l... time 
is a strange trip)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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I can afford it, I just don't have the room!

Get yer Phillip Glass mojo on....

-- 
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hello Loopsters,

happy new year to all - may it be a loop-filled one for all.


On Saturday Jan 29th, I'm giving a day-long masterclass in San Jose. It'll 
be at the house of LD list member, Bob Amstadt, and will run from 
10.30am-4pm. The cost of the day will include lunch and an invite to an 
exclusive AccuGroove-hosted event that I'll be playing at in the evening, 
not far from Bob's. More details on that soon.

The stuff I'll be covering will include some looping ideas, as well as other 
things relating to solo and duo playing, improv, composition, bass technique 
(and more general ideas about how technique dovetails with sound ideas), and 
there'll be plenty of time for questions and discussion.

The cost for the day will be $65.00 and your place is guaranteed by 
paypal'ing lawsonclinic@amstadt.com

If you've got any questions, please email me.

Last year was great fun, this year will be even cooler...

There's limited space, and a lot of the spaces have already gone, so the 
sooner you sign up the more likely you are to be guaranteed a space. It'll 
be a proper hands-on clinic, so bring your bass/other instrument and a pen 
and paper for making notes. I'm also cool with you minidiscing it.

I'm also doing a couple of gigs around that time in the area, more on that 
V. soon.

cheers!

Steve
www.stevelawson.net
www.stevelawson.net/interact/ (forum)
www.stevelawson.net/store/ (january sale!)

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Hi all,

I guess I'll have to introduce myself first.  My name is Tony and I'm a 
looper.  My current setup involves an insane routing of a Digitech DDL, 
Arion (cheapo) stereo delay, DL4, Adrenalinn, an RP2000, and various and 
sundry old effects, into and back out of a Behringer mixer.  I drive it all 
with a GR50, Korg M3R, and a D50.

You can hear some of my rough explorations at 
http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/exploring.htm
and my latest foray... http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/bloopy.mp3 (very 
rough, needs some major editing, but what the heck.)

My main multitracker is Sonar 4.  I'm very happy with it.  I can use VST/DX 
synths, multiple inputs.  It integrates well with Sound Forge.  However, 
it's not cheap.

My other favorite is AudioMulch for doing pc based loop stuff.  Lots of cool 
synths including Crystal, Absynth, etc.

The problem with ASIO as I understand it is not a limitation of the drivers, 
but a limitation in the ASIO spec.  My suggestion would be to run Live with 
ASIO, and set Wavelab to use MME/WDM or something else.  Wav editing isn't 
as latency freakish as real-time recording.  There's not really any reason 
not to do it that way.  I don't think tech support at M-Audio will help, I 
think it's an ASIO issue.  I have an Audiophile and I had a bit of trouble 
getting it to work with my SoundBlaster, and the tech guys were great.

A friend of mine really likes Tracktion, which is free right now.  The new 
version is coming out soon, so they are releasing the current version for 
free.  Nice app, works well, and cheap!

I'll also second using Tuareg2 for loop construction/destruction.  Fun 
program to play with.

that is all,
Tony

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> Hey all,
> I could definitely use some opinions on my audio working situation.  I
> have a 1.7ghz P4 Carillon running Windows 2000, with an M-Audio Delta 66
> card and the Omni breakout box.
>
> Ableton Live is my primary program, and running that under ASIO, it's
> fine.  The problem comes in when I need to edit.
>
> My prog of choice thus far has been Wavelab 4.  However, The Delta 66
> ASIO driver will not allow both Ableton and Wavelab to use ASIO at the
> same time, so Wavelab will revert to WDM if Ableton is running.  If I
> shut down Ableton, Wavelab can use the ASIO, but I can't be shutting
> down my composition app every time I need to edit a waveform.
>
> The performance of Wavelab under WDM is very spotty.  If I alter my
> selection on the waveform while playing in loop mode, the output stops.
> I have to stop playing, then start playing again for the audio to come
> back.  Sound quality is also not as good as the ASIO either, but it's
> these dropouts in the audio that have got me most flustered.
>
> So, I read the posts regarding Adobe Audition with interest and
> downloaded the trial.  Following a successful installation, I had the
> audio drop out while altering the loop points during
> playback....grrr....same as Wavelab.  This led me to believe that the
> M-Audio driver is somehow glitchy, so I download and install the latest
> driver.  The performance of Audition seems to improve considerably and I
> don't get any audio dropouts during playback.
>
> Now, I see that some of you are using Audition as a rewire host.  I
> think, "great...I can have a recording program that is a straightforward
> 'timeline' based solution (Audition), that I can do waveform edits in
> (Audition), and I can rewire my loop based program to (Ableton Live)".
>
> I do use Live as a straightforward recording device and multitracker,
> but sometimes I want to just record something without it being looped,
> or attempted to warp it to a set tempo.
>
> As soon as I enable Audition as a Rewire host and launch Ableton, I get
> no more audio output.  What?  Shut down Ableton, restart Audition
> without the rewire hosting, back to normal.  Engage Rewire hosting,
> start Ableton...no audio output.
>
> Grr...I don't know where to start troubleshooting!  Do I deal with tech
> support with M-Audio?  Adobe?  Ableton?
>
> Does anybody use a standalone recording app that hosts Ableton
> successfully as a slave?
>
> Frustrated,
> Rich
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:15 PM
> To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)
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>
> Along with Sony's Vegas (damn, I want to keep calling it Sonic Foundry's
>
> Vegas since they developed it and Sony only bought them out)
> which is a wonderful and very intuitive audio program there is also
> Adobe's
> AUDITION which used to be called Cool Edit Pro.
> It allows for multi track editing and has all the cool features of
> programs
> like Sony SOUNDFORGE and Steinberg's WAVE LAB.
>
> It also has a wonderful convolution algorithms as well as a couple of
> idiosncratic features like the MUSIC feature which allows you to
> notate a melody and then have your sample play that melody in real time
> over
> the length of the sample.
>
> What's amazing about that program is that it was fully functional in
> 1989!!!!   Way out ahead of the other sound editing programs.
>
> What I love about the SONY/Sonic Foundry programs is that they are
> amongst
> the most intuitive and easy to learn programs on the market and if you
> understand ACID,  it's a cinch to understand SOUND FORGE and VEGAS and
> vice
> versa.
> I'd be primarily a Mac person to this day if that family had been ported
> to
> the Mac five years ago......................lol,  but then I wouldn't be
>
> able to use
> FLStudio, which is my favorite program in the universe right now and the
> one
> I composed nearly all of my new CD on.    That program, imho, is the
> best
> bang for the buck (at $150) in the entire musical software realm (with
> the
> exception of the $25 it takes to by full versions of the loop slicer TU
> 2
> and the wonderful granular synthesis program that list member Michael
> Peters
> uses so beautifully----Granulab).
>
>
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Another in an ongoing series of CD Baby-solicited
mini-reviews I've written for listmember releases,
this one is for Tim Mungenast's 'The Un-Stableboy'.
While the  overt loopcontent is possibly subliminal,
some of you might enjoy this release. Here's what I
posted to CD Baby:

***************************************
If your benchmark for vocal production is anywhere
near the Def Leppard end of the spectrum, if you
believe sonic imperfections are the reason why tape
recorders have rewind buttons, if you think Roky
Erickson played shortstop for the Texas Rangers, if
you’ve ever been described as ‘dour’, or if non
sequiturs disorient you and/or private jokes make you
paranoid, then stay far, far, far away from this CD.

On the other hand, if you’ve ever worn a Greg Brady
fringed suede jacket, owned a lava lamp before they
developed that kitschy retro appeal, smiled knowingly
at the fingernail scene in ‘Animal House’, or if you
just happen to like catchy psychedelic pop songs with
a vintage vibe, there’s a very good chance you’ll
enjoy Tim Mungenast’s ‘The Un-Stableboy’.

If you can imagine a much less-uptight Jim
Morrisonesque baritone singing with a band comprised
of circa-SF Sorrow Pretty Things and various early
Soft Machinists, you’d be in the right neighborhood.
Maybe. Right next door, Syd Barrett is jamming with
the Mamas and the Papas, and for some reason there’s a
semi-invisible goat wandering around. Light some
candles, listen to the CD and draw your own
conclusions.
***********************************************

-t-


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A friend said in the 70s alllo the cheesy organs went to Mexico.But I got 
one inthe 80s that was an xtra cheesy immitation farfisa,made by the 
appliance company Rheem,yup it was my Rheem Organ.


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You did good Tim,

I've heard The Un-Stableboy and I'd go with what you said although I 
think the retro aspects of the CD are just delicious.

I called it the human voice on lithium but I sure like it for some 
reason.  maybe it just slams me back into those idiosyncratic days when 
musicians indulge themselves in themselves but it's quirky and just 
plain honest.

Hi Everybody,

Larry Cooperman
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Geeze I thought Rheem only made Hot Water heaters what you can't learn
around here ;D

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--- Larry Cooperman <coop@newmillguitar.com> wrote:
 
> I've heard The Un-Stableboy and I'd go with what you
> said although I 
> think the retro aspects of the CD are just
delicious.

Oh, I do too. Disinterested journalism aside, I'm
definitely in the second camp. 
 
> I called it the human voice on lithium but I sure
> like it for some 
> reason.  maybe it just slams me back into those
> idiosyncratic days when 
> musicians indulge themselves in themselves but it's
> quirky and just plain honest.

What can (sometimes) be annoying about a lot of
retro-inspired music is its historical revisionism; in
trying to zero in on what is NOW considered to be the
'cool' parts and steering clear of the dated
goofyness, something else is created that in many
cases falls short of either the vintage style to which
it pays tribute or something contemporary. 'The
Un-Stableboy' is in some ways the diametric opposite
of that; first and foremost, I'm hearing catchy,
well-crafted songs. As a secondary function, those
songs are done in a way that reminds me of the naivete
of an earlier era, embracing all of it, even the parts
that make ya cringe, with an end result that it's a
whole lot of fun to listen to. Tim avoids the
'hipper-than-thou' posturings of, say, Oasis.

I love the cover art, too!

-t-


		
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Tim Mungenast has put together a very very listenable collection of calm and
calming songs.  There's something about them that reminds one of those great
60's records that people are still digging.  Maybe it's the way instruments
have space and play melodies?  Maybe it's the clear, neo-hypnotic vocals?
Maybe it's something else.  Whatever it is, it's enjoyable.  Worth checking
out!

David Kirkdorffer




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> Another in an ongoing series of CD Baby-solicited
> mini-reviews I've written for listmember releases,
> this one is for Tim Mungenast's 'The Un-Stableboy'.
> While the  overt loopcontent is possibly subliminal,
> some of you might enjoy this release. Here's what I
> posted to CD Baby:
>
> ***************************************
> If your benchmark for vocal production is anywhere
> near the Def Leppard end of the spectrum, if you
> believe sonic imperfections are the reason why tape
> recorders have rewind buttons, if you think Roky
> Erickson played shortstop for the Texas Rangers, if
> you've ever been described as 'dour', or if non
> sequiturs disorient you and/or private jokes make you
> paranoid, then stay far, far, far away from this CD.
>
> On the other hand, if you've ever worn a Greg Brady
> fringed suede jacket, owned a lava lamp before they
> developed that kitschy retro appeal, smiled knowingly
> at the fingernail scene in 'Animal House', or if you
> just happen to like catchy psychedelic pop songs with
> a vintage vibe, there's a very good chance you'll
> enjoy Tim Mungenast's 'The Un-Stableboy'.
>
> If you can imagine a much less-uptight Jim
> Morrisonesque baritone singing with a band comprised
> of circa-SF Sorrow Pretty Things and various early
> Soft Machinists, you'd be in the right neighborhood.
> Maybe. Right next door, Syd Barrett is jamming with
> the Mamas and the Papas, and for some reason there's a
> semi-invisible goat wandering around. Light some
> candles, listen to the CD and draw your own
> conclusions.
> ***********************************************
>
> -t-
>
>
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I just love the guitar work most of all.  It is unstable and quirky and 
full of honest idiosyncratic weirdness and originality.

Retro is not exactly what I'd call it, it is just that it gives me a 
nostalgic feeling of discovery that those early days of pop music gave. 
  Makes me kind of get teary, remembering my age of discovery.  I'm 53 
and having my second childhood.

The vocals, well, I tolerate them and the flower child innocence of the 
lyric is refreshing.  Just makes me light up and want to play my bongos 
in the dirt and smoke a joint.

Fucking hippie.

Groovy,




Larry Cooperman
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>
> Fucking hippie.
>
That's:

Fucking *DIRTY* Hippie. :)


PS - I like the Un-Stable Boy too!


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On Jan 10, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Doug Cox wrote:

>
>>
>> Fucking hippie.
>>
> That's:
>
> Fucking *DIRTY* Hippie. :)

No, Tim-o is very clean.  I don't know for sure but his hair is 
sparkling and he looks less dirty that I.  I think that he is 
obsessively clean.  Just intuition.
Larry Cooperman
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Hi There,
i just got a second EDP and want to dump all of the
master presets into my EDP slave,i know its been
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it,can you folks send me the link?
thanx!
Luis

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    Hey everybody,
    I'm doing looping, primarily with a bass guitar, sometimes an electric 
guitar, using a Boomerang pedal.  When I do little gigs through a PA, the 
hiss usually isn't that bad; it's there, but I can work around it.  However, 
when I run through the Boomerang into my bass rig, there is a LOT of hiss.
    I've tried everything I can think of, but I can't find a setting where 
the hiss isn't a big problem.  I don't have a "smiley face" EQ or a lot of 
trebble, and there's very little compression on my amp.
    I'd really like to incorperate looping into my shows with duo's and 
trio's, but that noise is just too much coming from a rig with that much 
power.  Any suggestions?
    Thanks!
    -Jonathan
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>>Does anybody use a standalone recording app that hosts Ableton successfully as a slave?<<

is cubase an option? my g/f was, until recently, using cubase vst & ableton linked with rewire on her g4 powerbook.... I used cubase to record some drumloops (out of a crappy old casio keyboard), edited them in cubase's own edit window then saved them so that they could be looped in ableton.
of course, this was on a mac.....

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For those interested, January's WIRE magazine contained this review of my
MY2K album (which contains lots of loops, among other stuff) ...


"Compiled from 366 ten-second pieces of music or field recordings (all of
which have been arranged into 53 weekly sections), Cologne musician Michael
Peters's absorbing and amusing recorded diary for the beginning of the new
millennium is packed with a wild mix of sounds, some treated by Peters to
produce a Zappaesque form of musique concrete. While some pieces are
self-explanatory (giveaway titles include "Sabine Writes With A Big Felt Pen
On A Large Sheet Of Paper"), others such as "Granulated Stone On Wood Like
Barking Dogs Over Linear Base Colors" only make sense once you actually hear
the item in question. Shades of John McLaughlin, Can and Frank Zappa flit
through the musical sections, but Peters's project has to be heard in its
entirety - if only to wait for track 53, which somehow manages to
regurgitate his entire recorded year in ten seconds flat."


Michael Peters
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Duncan,
Yes, I think one of the larger DAW programs would be more robust in
handling a rewire slave, but I've used cubase SX before, and it really
is quite a monster of a program.  I found it overwhelming and
uninspiring to an extent.  At my home studio, I want simplicity and
gratification, and Cubase made me feel like an newbie engineer with way
too much to learn.
 
That's why I initially switched to Ableton, and haven't looked back
since.  But now I'm just unhappy with the non ASIO performance of
Wavelab, and I can't get both programs to use ASIO.  I like Audition
from the demo, for sure.It's just with it's multitracking ability (non
warping), I was really attracted to having Audition and Ableton be
running in synch.  Seemed like an ideal combination for me of
simplicity, wave editing, and looping/warping capabilities.
 
Perhaps Adobe will be somewhat helpful with the carrot that I 'might'
buy their program.  God knows they won't help you once you do unless you
shell out more cash for tech support.
 
Thanks for your input.
 
Rich
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:43 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Multi track editing question and cool software solutions
 
>>Does anybody use a standalone recording app that hosts Ableton
successfully as a slave?<< 
is cubase an option? my g/f was, until recently, using cubase vst &
ableton linked with rewire on her g4 powerbook.... I used cubase to
record some drumloops (out of a crappy old casio keyboard), edited them
in cubase's own edit window then saved them so that they could be looped
in ableton.
of course, this was on a mac..... 
duncan. 


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  =
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nt></st1:place></st1:City><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yes, I think one of the larger DAW
programs would be more robust in handling a rewire slave, but I&#8217;ve =
used
cubase SX before, and it really is quite a monster of a program.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>I found it overwhelming and =
uninspiring
to an extent.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>At my home =
studio, I
want simplicity and gratification, and Cubase made me feel like an =
newbie engineer
with way too much to learn.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That&#8217;s why I initially =
switched to
Ableton, and haven&#8217;t looked back since.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>But now I&#8217;m just unhappy =
with the
non ASIO performance of Wavelab, and I can&#8217;t get both programs to =
use
ASIO.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>I like Audition from =
the
demo, for sure&#8230;It&#8217;s just with it&#8217;s multitracking =
ability (non
warping), I was really attracted to having Audition and Ableton be =
running in
synch.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Seemed like an =
ideal
combination for me of simplicity, wave editing, and looping/warping
capabilities.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Perhaps Adobe will be somewhat =
helpful
with the carrot that I &#8216;might&#8217; buy their program.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>God knows they won&#8217;t help =
you once
you do unless you shell out more cash for tech =
support.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for your =
input.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January =
11, 2005
5:43 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Multi track =
editing
question and cool software solutions</span></font></p>

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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>is cubase an option? my g/f was, until =
recently, using
cubase vst &amp; ableton linked with rewire on her g4 powerbook.... I =
used
cubase to record some drumloops (out of a crappy old casio keyboard), =
edited
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looped
in ableton.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>of course, this was on a =
mac.....</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>

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AWESOME! THANK YOU, MR. NELSON! GREAT REFERENCES... THEY'LL GIVE PEOPLE A GOOD IDEA WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, WHICH IS WHAT A GOOD CRITIQUE IS REALLY ALL ABOUT. ...HEE HEE..."SEMI-INVISIBLE GOAT".. HEE HEE.... I LOVE IT!
CHEERS AND BA-A-A-A-A-A, 
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Jan 10, 2005 6:05 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Review Blurbage of Listmember Tim Mungenast's 'The Un-Stableboy'

Another in an ongoing series of CD Baby-solicited
mini-reviews I've written for listmember releases,
this one is for Tim Mungenast's 'The Un-Stableboy'.
While the  overt loopcontent is possibly subliminal,
some of you might enjoy this release. Here's what I
posted to CD Baby:

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If your benchmark for vocal production is anywhere
near the Def Leppard end of the spectrum, if you
believe sonic imperfections are the reason why tape
recorders have rewind buttons, if you think Roky
Erickson played shortstop for the Texas Rangers, if
you’ve ever been described as ‘dour’, or if non
sequiturs disorient you and/or private jokes make you
paranoid, then stay far, far, far away from this CD.

On the other hand, if you’ve ever worn a Greg Brady
fringed suede jacket, owned a lava lamp before they
developed that kitschy retro appeal, smiled knowingly
at the fingernail scene in ‘Animal House’, or if you
just happen to like catchy psychedelic pop songs with
a vintage vibe, there’s a very good chance you’ll
enjoy Tim Mungenast’s ‘The Un-Stableboy’.

If you can imagine a much less-uptight Jim
Morrisonesque baritone singing with a band comprised
of circa-SF Sorrow Pretty Things and various early
Soft Machinists, you’d be in the right neighborhood.
Maybe. Right next door, Syd Barrett is jamming with
the Mamas and the Papas, and for some reason there’s a
semi-invisible goat wandering around. Light some
candles, listen to the CD and draw your own
conclusions.
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Many thanks for the kind words, Coop.
Hi to All,
Tim "Fuzzboxes R Us" Mungenast
www.cdbaby.com/mungenast
www.mungenast.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Cooperman <coop@newmillguitar.com>
Sent: Jan 10, 2005 6:34 PM
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You did good Tim,

I've heard The Un-Stableboy and I'd go with what you said although I 
think the retro aspects of the CD are just delicious.

I called it the human voice on lithium but I sure like it for some 
reason.  maybe it just slams me back into those idiosyncratic days when 
musicians indulge themselves in themselves but it's quirky and just 
plain honest.

Hi Everybody,

Larry Cooperman
New Millennium Guitar
http://www.newmillguitar.com


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Thanks, David. It sounds like you "got" it, and that makes me very happy indeed. And I dig those early discs you sent me (the first two Undo releases). Proof that recording on analog cassette can yield great-sounding results.
~Tim

-----Original Message-----
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Tim Mungenast has put together a very very listenable collection of calm and
calming songs.  There's something about them that reminds one of those great
60's records that people are still digging.  Maybe it's the way instruments
have space and play melodies?  Maybe it's the clear, neo-hypnotic vocals?
Maybe it's something else.  Whatever it is, it's enjoyable.  Worth checking
out!

David Kirkdorffer




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Nelson" <psychle62@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 6:05 PM
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> Another in an ongoing series of CD Baby-solicited
> mini-reviews I've written for listmember releases,
> this one is for Tim Mungenast's 'The Un-Stableboy'.
> While the  overt loopcontent is possibly subliminal,
> some of you might enjoy this release. Here's what I
> posted to CD Baby:
>
> ***************************************
> If your benchmark for vocal production is anywhere
> near the Def Leppard end of the spectrum, if you
> believe sonic imperfections are the reason why tape
> recorders have rewind buttons, if you think Roky
> Erickson played shortstop for the Texas Rangers, if
> you've ever been described as 'dour', or if non
> sequiturs disorient you and/or private jokes make you
> paranoid, then stay far, far, far away from this CD.
>
> On the other hand, if you've ever worn a Greg Brady
> fringed suede jacket, owned a lava lamp before they
> developed that kitschy retro appeal, smiled knowingly
> at the fingernail scene in 'Animal House', or if you
> just happen to like catchy psychedelic pop songs with
> a vintage vibe, there's a very good chance you'll
> enjoy Tim Mungenast's 'The Un-Stableboy'.
>
> If you can imagine a much less-uptight Jim
> Morrisonesque baritone singing with a band comprised
> of circa-SF Sorrow Pretty Things and various early
> Soft Machinists, you'd be in the right neighborhood.
> Maybe. Right next door, Syd Barrett is jamming with
> the Mamas and the Papas, and for some reason there's a
> semi-invisible goat wandering around. Light some
> candles, listen to the CD and draw your own
> conclusions.
> ***********************************************
>
> -t-
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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Yeah, Larry, I think you've got it right.... I *am* obsessively clean, for better or worse. The only time I love to get dirty is when I click on my '70 Dallas-Arbiter Fuzz Face, or when I surf the Web for pics of Salma Hayek (oops! WAY off-topic! ha haaaa!)
As for the vocals, yeah, I dig what you're saying. Servicable. I'll keep working on it, working on it.  
~Tim

-----Original Message-----
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On Jan 10, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Doug Cox wrote:

>
>>
>> Fucking hippie.
>>
> That's:
>
> Fucking *DIRTY* Hippie. :)

No, Tim-o is very clean.  I don't know for sure but his hair is 
sparkling and he looks less dirty that I.  I think that he is 
obsessively clean.  Just intuition.
Larry Cooperman
New Millennium Guitar
http://www.newmillguitar.com


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Sounds very very cool. The title is very clever, too.

-----Original Message-----
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For those interested, January's WIRE magazine contained this review of my
MY2K album (which contains lots of loops, among other stuff) ...


"Compiled from 366 ten-second pieces of music or field recordings (all of
which have been arranged into 53 weekly sections), Cologne musician Michael
Peters's absorbing and amusing recorded diary for the beginning of the new
millennium is packed with a wild mix of sounds, some treated by Peters to
produce a Zappaesque form of musique concrete. While some pieces are
self-explanatory (giveaway titles include "Sabine Writes With A Big Felt Pen
On A Large Sheet Of Paper"), others such as "Granulated Stone On Wood Like
Barking Dogs Over Linear Base Colors" only make sense once you actually hear
the item in question. Shades of John McLaughlin, Can and Frank Zappa flit
through the musical sections, but Peters's project has to be heard in its
entirety - if only to wait for track 53, which somehow manages to
regurgitate his entire recorded year in ten seconds flat."


Michael Peters
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Do you have a tweeter in your bass cabinet?

I have some effect that sound fine through my guitar combo or my bass 
amp with the tweeter off.  As soon as I turn the tweeter up, the hiss 
is unacceptable.  And it doesn't really matter how the EQ is set.

LeonD


On Jan 11, 2005, at 5:44 AM, Jonathan wrote:

>    Hey everybody,
>    I'm doing looping, primarily with a bass guitar, sometimes an 
> electric guitar, using a Boomerang pedal.  When I do little gigs 
> through a PA, the hiss usually isn't that bad; it's there, but I can 
> work around it.  However, when I run through the Boomerang into my 
> bass rig, there is a LOT of hiss.
>    I've tried everything I can think of, but I can't find a setting 
> where the hiss isn't a big problem.  I don't have a "smiley face" EQ 
> or a lot of trebble, and there's very little compression on my amp.
>    I'd really like to incorperate looping into my shows with duo's and 
> trio's, but that noise is just too much coming from a rig with that 
> much power.  Any suggestions?
>    Thanks!
>    -Jonathan
>    http://www.badspatula.com

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hello all,

i have had some items up for sale recently through The Recycler, which traditionally has been a great way to buy and sell items locally or connect with fellow musicians.  It was always a printed piece until a few years ago when they went online, as well as printing the paper each week.

Since advertising with them recently, I have gotten three replies from European countries who are seeing the ads on the web.  However, the replies are ALL worded almost exactly the same, even though they are from different sources.  This smells of something rotten, to me...kindof like those hoax mails you get about "I am the recipient of a multi-million dollar family trust and I need your help in dispersing it".

Anyway, here is the text of the last reply.  Has anybody seen these?  Are they malicious?

"Hello,
Ê I saw yourÊ AdvertÊÊ over the web and am much interested in buying it. I live here in the Germany, I will be responsible for the shippment down to my location, so please kindly write me backwith your last offering price. And i will also need some recent pictures of it , I will like to know the condition and please let me know if it is still availableÊ . I am Looking forward to your soonest reply"

As I said, I got replies from Italy (address no longer active when I replied w/ pics), and another this morning from Canada (haven't heard back).

this third one worded the exact same way was what pricked up my ears.

sorry for the off topic...I'm just curious now.

And if any of Y'ALL are interested, you can still have a crack at these!  I'd rather sell to someone on list...(Ted...how's the Nanoverb?)

Korg ES-1 groovebox w/ 32mb SM card.  $225
Guyatone FLIP VT-X Vintage Tube Tremolo stompbox.  $120
and...
Maxon AD999 Analog Delay stompbox.  $330

All of these items are mint and very low hours, with original packaging, adapters, manuals, etc.  I'd expect shipping to be about $10 each item, with insurance, maybe a couple of bucks more for the Korg box.

buy now....you are getting very sleepy....buy now....you know you want it....buy now....

hehe.
best,
rich



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>
>  > Some other good news is that Allan Holdsworth will
>>  be playing on the
>>  East Coast of the USA for a bit, and will be down in
>>  the DC Area on
>  > January 17th.

If anyone gets to this show (or others) and tapes it, please drop me 
a line off list. I saw him last night, and it was incredible.

Thanks,

Jeff

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Who was in the band?  He's playing in NYC on Thursday at BBKing's I think

-----Original Message-----
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>
>  > Some other good news is that Allan Holdsworth will
>>  be playing on the
>>  East Coast of the USA for a bit, and will be down in
>>  the DC Area on
>  > January 17th.

If anyone gets to this show (or others) and tapes it, please drop me 
a line off list. I saw him last night, and it was incredible.

Thanks,

Jeff

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Hi there,
ive gotten the same thing,i guy wrote me from south
africa wanting to buy stuff from me and kept
insisiting about my adress and phone number but when i
asked from his he didnt answer.I also recently saw
something about  "the Ebay bandits" on the news so i
would be careful.
Luis



--- thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote:

> hello all,
> 
> i have had some items up for sale recently through
> The Recycler, which traditionally has been a great
> way to buy and sell items locally or connect with
> fellow musicians.  It was always a printed piece
> until a few years ago when they went online, as well
> as printing the paper each week.
> 
> Since advertising with them recently, I have gotten
> three replies from European countries who are seeing
> the ads on the web.  However, the replies are ALL
> worded almost exactly the same, even though they are
> from different sources.  This smells of something
> rotten, to me...kindof like those hoax mails you get
> about "I am the recipient of a multi-million dollar
> family trust and I need your help in dispersing it".
> 
> Anyway, here is the text of the last reply.  Has
> anybody seen these?  Are they malicious?
> 
> "Hello,
> Ê I saw yourÊ AdvertÊÊ over the web and am much
> interested in buying it. I live here in the Germany,
> I will be responsible for the shippment down to my
> location, so please kindly write me backwith your
> last offering price. And i will also need some
> recent pictures of it , I will like to know the
> condition and please let me know if it is still
> availableÊ . I am Looking forward to your soonest
> reply"
> 
> As I said, I got replies from Italy (address no
> longer active when I replied w/ pics), and another
> this morning from Canada (haven't heard back).
> 
> this third one worded the exact same way was what
> pricked up my ears.
> 
> sorry for the off topic...I'm just curious now.
> 
> And if any of Y'ALL are interested, you can still
> have a crack at these!  I'd rather sell to someone
> on list...(Ted...how's the Nanoverb?)
> 
> Korg ES-1 groovebox w/ 32mb SM card.  $225
> Guyatone FLIP VT-X Vintage Tube Tremolo stompbox. 
> $120
> and...
> Maxon AD999 Analog Delay stompbox.  $330
> 
> All of these items are mint and very low hours, with
> original packaging, adapters, manuals, etc.  I'd
> expect shipping to be about $10 each item, with
> insurance, maybe a couple of bucks more for the Korg
> box.
> 
> buy now....you are getting very sleepy....buy
> now....you know you want it....buy now....
> 
> hehe.
> best,
> rich
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Hi europeans,
i am in southern germany and reducing my equipment so
befor going to ebay here u go:

Rane SM82 mixer in perfect condition 500.-eur (i only
have the american adaptor for it but you can buy the
european one in germany at:
http://www.proaudio-marketing.biz/frames/hframe.asp

Gibson Echoplex digital pro with new loop IV software
1000 Eur.-

SUPER TALKER Talk box(Original 60W) new with 2 new
blow tubes 130.-Eur.-
thanx

Luis





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>Who was in the band?  He's playing in NYC on Thursday at BBKing's I think

Two younger guys I hadn't heard of, but they are both outstanding. 
Joel Taylor is on drums, and Ernest Tibbs is on bass.

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Hi guys,=20
I've read a lot about the echo pro and the mo-fx (manual, comments, =
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I play keyboards and I'd like to get a stereo delay machine midi =
compatible like these two devices.
It seems that the echo pro is noisy and I don't like the mono looping =
set it offers !=20
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The mo-fx  has 3 effects blocks, as you know.
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What about ?
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i saw these guys in denton, tx and they were outstanding.
i expected holdsworth to be mindblowing, (which he
was, of course) but both the bassist and the drummer 
had me eyeballing them instead.
a must see/hear...


> >Who was in the band?  He's playing in NYC on Thursday at BBKing's I think
> 
> Two younger guys I hadn't heard of, but they are both outstanding. 
> Joel Taylor is on drums, and Ernest Tibbs is on bass.
> 
>

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>i saw these guys in denton, tx and they were outstanding.
>i expected holdsworth to be mindblowing, (which he
>was, of course) but both the bassist and the drummer had me 
>eyeballing them instead.
>a must see/hear...
>

Yep. Same thing here...and I couldn't agree more.

Jeff

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First post - guess I can make introductions later...

A friend of mine's mother-in-law has an online sewing
pattern business and got a similar e-mail. After the
initial inquiry, the "buyer" (from Nigeria in this
case) wanted my friend's mother-in-law to send him a
computer. The scam was that he claimed he would mail
her back the cost of the computer plus $500 extra.
Fortunately she didn't fall for it.



		
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I have not really used the Boomerang much but was recently producing 
and album for another looper that uses one, and the hiss was so bad 
that we could not use it on the album. I thought the unit must be 
broken but apparently not, if others are having this problem.

The good news is that with the bommmerang's 24 khz sampling rate is is 
not really going to reproduce anything over 11 or 12k (where many 
guitar cabinets cut off) so you can use a low pass filter to get rid of 
a lot of hiss.

Ronan Chris Murphy
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On Jan 11, 2005, at 1:34 PM, Leon Droby wrote:

> Do you have a tweeter in your bass cabinet?
>
> I have some effect that sound fine through my guitar combo or my bass 
> amp with the tweeter off.  As soon as I turn the tweeter up, the hiss 
> is unacceptable.  And it doesn't really matter how the EQ is set.
>
> LeonD
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2005, at 5:44 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>
>>    Hey everybody,
>>    I'm doing looping, primarily with a bass guitar, sometimes an 
>> electric guitar, using a Boomerang pedal.  When I do little gigs 
>> through a PA, the hiss usually isn't that bad; it's there, but I can 
>> work around it.  However, when I run through the Boomerang into my 
>> bass rig, there is a LOT of hiss.
>>    I've tried everything I can think of, but I can't find a setting 
>> where the hiss isn't a big problem.  I don't have a "smiley face" EQ 
>> or a lot of trebble, and there's very little compression on my amp.
>>    I'd really like to incorperate looping into my shows with duo's 
>> and trio's, but that noise is just too much coming from a rig with 
>> that much power.  Any suggestions?
>>    Thanks!
>>    -Jonathan
>>    http://www.badspatula.com
>
>
>

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Audiophiles Bemoan End of the Reel
Since news hit that one of the last companies in the world manufacturing 
reel-to-reel tape shut down its plant, there's been a frantic scramble in 
the music industry to secure as much Quantegy tape as possible. 
http://online.wsj.com/public/us/0,,,00.html

Slashdot:
Posted by CowboyNeal on Wednesday January 05, @07:37PM
from the reel-too-real dept.
goosman writes "Quantegy, the last manufacturer of professional reel-to-reel 
analog audio tape in the world has closed their plant in Opelika, AL leaving 
a reported 250 workers without jobs, according to the Opelika-Auburn News. 
Emtec (the former BASF, which used to be AGFA) was the last European 
manufacturer and ceased manufacuring in 2002. An audio account of the 
closing can be heard at NPR."


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http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050106.html

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each 
Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and 
webcasting on
the internet.

                    Show #407                    January 6, 2005

RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on Spheric Music, a German record
label run by Lambert Ringlage.  The Featured CD at Midnight was a 
compilation
disc, "Syntonic Waves Volume 7."

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Departure from the Northern Wasteland" by
Michael Hoenig on Kuckuck Records.

Spheric Music - 
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jan


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
==============================
11:00 pm
Michael Hoenig          Sun and Moon             Departure from the Northern
                                                   Wasteland (Kuckuck)
(The following two tracks were played simultaneously.)
VA [Jonathan Hughes     Feel the Photons         Fluidities (The Foundry)
    and Naryan Padmanabha]
VA [High Skies]         The Shipping Forecast    Fluidities (The Foundry)
VA [Remy]               Following Differences    E-dition #5 (Groove)
Undo                    Ataraxia II              Deux (none)
Dreamwind               Escape Velocity          Warp Date (none)
Pseudophone             Walkabout                Reach (none)
E=motion                Hypnotic Re-trance-      Re-trance-mission 
(Underwater)
                          mission
Bruno Sanfilippo        Deceptive Beauty         Ad Libitum (AD21)

12:00 am
VA [UBB]                Avus                     Syntonic Waves Vol 7 
(Spheric)
VA [Face in a Crowd]    The Fifth at Night       Syntonic Waves Vol 7 
(Spheric)
VA [Palantir]           Time Passing             Syntonic Waves Vol 7 
(Spheric)
VA [Lions Dreams]       Accept the Machine       Syntonic Waves Vol 7 
(Spheric)
VA [Space Project]      Nautilus                 Syntonic Waves Vol 7 
(Spheric)
VA [Tranquillity]       Electrographic           Syntonic Waves Vol 7 
(Spheric)
VA [Traumklang]         Neutrino                 Syntonic Waves Vol 7 
(Spheric)
VA [Transistor]         Chrom                    Syntonic Waves Vol 7 
(Spheric)
VA [Maurizio            Sign of Love             Syntonic Waves Vol 7 
(Spheric)
  Burgarello]
VA [Gunther Friebis]    ZEN                      Syntonic Waves Vol 7 
(Spheric)
VA [Cars Tone]          It's Hope                Syntonic Waves Vol 7 
(Spheric)
VA [Heimann & Lambert]  Time Passengers Journey  Syntonic Waves Vol 7 
(Spheric)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Spheric Music
record label.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Electronic 
Highlights," a
sampler of various artists.

The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Structures from Silence" by Steve 
Roach
on Fortuna Records.

Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at
11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 
93.9 FM
in Easton and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and
click on the LISTEN link or go directly to:
http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic
To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This 
Group!] at
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     There are a bunch of scams going around like this, most of them worded similarly or at least
with the same modus operandi.  I actually dealt with one of these guys last year.  I was selling
an item on Craig's List for $150.  This guy wants to receive pictures of it and hear about it's
condition.  I had already listed a lot of info about it's condition, this was my first tip off. 
Anyway, I sent photos and didn't hear back for a coupla weeks.  I inquired again and they
apologized for not getting back to me.  They said a check would be in the mail.  A few weeks later
I received a check and the same day got an email from them saying that they believed that I got
the check by now.  The check was mailed from Denmark, and it was a cashier's check for $4,000 from
a bank in Utah.  They asked me to cash the check, wire them the difference and they would have
their courier pick up the item from my house.  I took the check to the post office to ask them if
it was a forgery or not.  They confirmed that it was and asked me if I could get an address or
phone number from them.  I tried and was not successful.  A few weeks later I received a phone
call from London, the man's voice sounded African.  He asked if I had received the check and when
could they expect a wire?  I asked for his name and telephone number and he refused to give it to
me.  This happened a second time a week later.  I asked him if he was aware that the check was a
forgery.  He vehemently denied it.  End of story.

     A couple of clues that should prick up anyones ears.  They never refer to the item by name
other than perhaps in the Subject Line.  They always ask for more info, pictures, condition,
regardless of how well you described it in the first place.  Even if you ultimately don't fall for
it, it's a huge waste of time (at least the first time...)  Hopefully this email will save a few
people from that.

     Evidently, even though your bank may cash the check for you, when it comes up as a forgery a
few days later, you are held responsible.  Nowadays whenever I receive a scam asking me for photos
and more information I usually respond "How about you go intercourse yourself instead?" (though
not in such polite terms.)  Funny thing, I usually never hear back from them...  What, is it
something I said?

     EBay is turning into more and more of a nightmare.  I just got an email from them today
informing me that they are no longer supplying the complementary vaseline.  Instead, they are
raising their rates to 8% of the final sale if it's under $1,000.  If one of these scammers pulls
that kind of ca-ca on you, it's not as easy to wiggle out of it for fear of receiving negative
feedback.

     If you live in the States, CraigsList rocks.  It was recently sold by the initial guys,
though they put a bunch of terms on the sale, like it always has to be free, no pop up ads, etc. 
These guys really did us all a favor.  They even have a link on their front page warning people of
scams like the ones we're talking about here.  I believe that Harmony Central does too.

              Stephen




<<Since advertising with them recently, I have gotten three replies from European countries who
are 
seeing the ads on the web.  However, the replies are ALL worded almost exactly the same, even 
though they are from different sources.  This smells of something rotten, to me...kindof like
those 
hoax mails you get about "I am the recipient of a multi-million dollar family trust and I need
your 
help in dispersing it".

Anyway, here is the text of the last reply.  Has anybody seen these?  Are they malicious?

"Hello,
Ê I saw yourÊ AdvertÊÊ over the web and am much interested in buying it. I live here in the 
Germany, I will be responsible for the shippment down to my location, so please kindly write me
backwith 
your last offering price. And i will also need some recent pictures of it , I will like to know 
the condition and please let me know if it is still availableÊ . I am Looking forward to your 
soonest reply"

As I said, I got replies from Italy (address no longer active when I replied w/ pics), and another

this morning from Canada (haven't heard back).

this third one worded the exact same way was what pricked up my ears.

sorry for the off topic...I'm just curious now.

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     Fabio,

     The delay on the Mo-FX is about 3.3 seconds, this is not from the manual I just timed it with
a metronome.  The sound processing on the Mo-FX is pretty darn clean.  I rarely use the other
blocks (tremolo, distortion, and flange) as I don't find them as useful.  But for the delay alone,
the thing is worth its weight in gold.

           Stephen


<<It seems that the echo pro is noisy and I don't like the mono looping set it offers !
I've tried it, and it seems to me that the quality of the looped sound is not good.
 
The mo-fx  has 3 effects blocks, as you know.
It seems that all the effects play very nice, expecially the delay block.
I've read the manual, but i haven't find how long is the delay>>


	
		
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I have to assume some people on this list use the Boss Octave pedal in their looping setups, to achieve "bass guitar" sounds.  To those of you that do....do you like it?  what do you think of the tracking?  I'd like to get the EH Pog, but can't justify nearly $400 for an octave pedal (especially after just buying an EDP), so I was wondering if the Boss pedal is "good enough."  I want to use it with my Taylor 814 and my Gibson Les Paul, (i.e.. with acoustic and electric instruments).  I think I'm most curious as to how well it tracks with acoustic guitars to simulate a bass.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  

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>
>      Fabio,
>
>      The delay on the Mo-FX is about 3.3 seconds, this is not from the
manual I just timed it with
> a metronome.  The sound processing on the Mo-FX is pretty darn clean.  I
rarely use the other
> blocks (tremolo, distortion, and flange) as I don't find them as useful.
But for the delay alone,
> the thing is worth its weight in gold.
>
>            Stephen
>
>
> <<It seems that the echo pro is noisy and I don't like the mono looping
set it offers !
> I've tried it, and it seems to me that the quality of the looped sound is
not good.
>
> The mo-fx  has 3 effects blocks, as you know.
> It seems that all the effects play very nice, expecially the delay block.
> I've read the manual, but i haven't find how long is the delay>>
>
>
>
>
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The Boss is totally crappy. The only pedal that track well enough for 
convincing bass sounds that Ive heard is the POG.
On Jan 13, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Brian wrote:

> I have to assume some people on this list use the Boss Octave pedal in 
> their looping setups, to achieve "bass guitar" sounds.  To those of 
> you that do....do you like it?  what do you think of the tracking?  
> I'd like to get the EH Pog, but can't justify nearly $400 for an 
> octave pedal (especially after just buying an EDP), so I was wondering 
> if the Boss pedal is "good enough."  I want to use it with my Taylor 
> 814 and my Gibson Les Paul, (i.e.. with acoustic and electric 
> instruments).  I think I'm most curious as to how well it tracks with 
> acoustic guitars to simulate a bass.  Any feedback would be greatly 
> appreciated.
>
> Brian
>
>
>

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Brian wrote:

> I have to assume some people on this list use the Boss Octave pedal in
their looping setups, to achieve "bass guitar" sounds.  To those of you
that do....do you like it?  what do you think of the tracking?  I think
I'm most curious as to how well it tracks with acoustic guitars to
simulate a bass.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  

I have used an OC-2 for years. To me it is more of an "effect" than an
actual bass guitar sound. It sounds more like a "synthbass" if that makes
sense; a bit chorused etc. I rarely use it by itself though preferring to
mix it with some other effects and make a "poor man's" EH microsynth. 

Also of note it is monophonic only so playing mutliple notes will make it
mistrack/glitch. I use this also as an effect but if your goal is to make
a string bass sound out of an Acoustic guitar I'd reccomend trying it out
in person before to buy one as you're opinion might seriously differ. 


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> I have to assume some people on this list use the Boss Octave pedal in their 
> looping setups, to achieve "bass guitar" sounds.  To those of you that do....do 
> you like it?  what do you think of the tracking?  

I use a Danelectro Chili Dog for bass sounds in my loop setup...

<http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html>

..., but I've 
played the Boss OC-2 in stores a couple of times. My impression was that the
tracking on both units (assuming you play only one note at a time and are
careful about damping open strings) feels instantaneously fast, but they both 
have a tendency to bounce octaves sometimes on low notes on the low E string.
With the Chili Dog I reduce this quite a bit by using the neck pickup (actually
a special Copeland hexaphonic humbucker in the neck position), rolling the
high end off a lot, using fingers to play the bass a lot of the time, and
picking nearer to the neck. 

Tone-wise, the Chili Dog and OC-2 sound TOTALLY different. The OC-2 has the
traditional square-wave type octave sound. I'm not sure what they are doing
in the Chili Dog, but it doesn't sound like that. It's more like they took
the square wave and multiplied it by the input signal or something...the timbre
of the incoming signal affects the timbre of the output. It can kinda sound
like an acoustic bass if you use your imagination a bit.

One time in a music store I played with a reissue Electro-Harmonix Micro Synth.
The bass sound on this thing sounded and felt so much like the Chili Dog, that
I think Danelectro must have ripped off the Chili Dog's circuit from it.

To further complicate matters, Boss has at least two other octave units, the
OC-20 (twin pedal requiring GK-2a synth pickup) and the OC-3 (a stompbox like
the OC-2 but which can supposedly handle chords). I haven't tried either of these
and can't offer an opinion. I'm really happy with the Chili Dog.

I also have a Roland VG-8, which is of course much fancier and more expensive,
but can be used for bass sounds...the Chili Dog (and the OC-2 for that matter) 
tracks much more quickly because there is no harmonizer (record stuff into a 
delay and play it out at a different speed) effect involved. 

> I'd like to get the EH Pog, 
> but can't justify nearly $400 for an octave pedal (especially after just buying 
> an EDP), so I was wondering if the Boss pedal is "good enough."  I want to use 
> it with my Taylor 814 and my Gibson Les Paul, (i.e.. with acoustic and electric 
> instruments).  I think I'm most curious as to how well it tracks with acoustic 
> guitars to simulate a bass.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  
> 
> Brian

You can't beat the price of the Chili Dog...$30 from most mail order places.
Definitely worth a try. And not only that...it's purple!

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net

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I use the Boss OC-2.  It's the bomb.  Mix in dry, -1 octave, and -2 
octave signals independently.  Tracks fine.  If you play clean...

If you want low latency, buy a fuckin' bass and learn to play it.

Fwah.

-J



Brian wrote:
> I have to assume some people on this list use the Boss Octave pedal in their looping setups, to achieve "bass guitar" sounds.  To those of you that do....do you like it?  what do you think of the tracking?  I'd like to get the EH Pog, but can't justify nearly $400 for an octave pedal (especially after just buying an EDP), so I was wondering if the Boss pedal is "good enough."  I want to use it with my Taylor 814 and my Gibson Les Paul, (i.e.. with acoustic and electric instruments).  I think I'm most curious as to how well it tracks with acoustic guitars to simulate a bass.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  
> 
> Brian
> 
> 

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-----Original Message-----
Jesse Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] opined:

If you want low latency, buy a fuckin' bass and learn to play it.

---->Hard to argue with . . .
Steve Lawson (and others) get a better tone playing guitar on a bass than
most guitarists can get on a bass--
I AM interested in hearing the POG--is it in stores?  Online samples?
Gary


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"If you want low latency, buy a fuckin' bass and learn to play it."

Excellent point.


On Jan 13, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Jesse Lucas wrote:

> If you want low latency, buy a fuckin' bass and learn to play it.

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The octave sounds on the digitech whammy petal work well... & for bass 
players the EBS box
cheers
LOU

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>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:10:16 +0000
>
> > I have to assume some people on this list use the Boss Octave pedal in 
>their
> > looping setups, to achieve "bass guitar" sounds.  To those of you that 
>do....do
> > you like it?  what do you think of the tracking?
>
>I use a Danelectro Chili Dog for bass sounds in my loop setup...
>
><http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html>
>
>..., but I've
>played the Boss OC-2 in stores a couple of times. My impression was that 
>the
>tracking on both units (assuming you play only one note at a time and are
>careful about damping open strings) feels instantaneously fast, but they 
>both
>have a tendency to bounce octaves sometimes on low notes on the low E 
>string.
>With the Chili Dog I reduce this quite a bit by using the neck pickup 
>(actually
>a special Copeland hexaphonic humbucker in the neck position), rolling the
>high end off a lot, using fingers to play the bass a lot of the time, and
>picking nearer to the neck.
>
>Tone-wise, the Chili Dog and OC-2 sound TOTALLY different. The OC-2 has the
>traditional square-wave type octave sound. I'm not sure what they are doing
>in the Chili Dog, but it doesn't sound like that. It's more like they took
>the square wave and multiplied it by the input signal or something...the 
>timbre
>of the incoming signal affects the timbre of the output. It can kinda sound
>like an acoustic bass if you use your imagination a bit.
>
>One time in a music store I played with a reissue Electro-Harmonix Micro 
>Synth.
>The bass sound on this thing sounded and felt so much like the Chili Dog, 
>that
>I think Danelectro must have ripped off the Chili Dog's circuit from it.
>
>To further complicate matters, Boss has at least two other octave units, 
>the
>OC-20 (twin pedal requiring GK-2a synth pickup) and the OC-3 (a stompbox 
>like
>the OC-2 but which can supposedly handle chords). I haven't tried either of 
>these
>and can't offer an opinion. I'm really happy with the Chili Dog.
>
>I also have a Roland VG-8, which is of course much fancier and more 
>expensive,
>but can be used for bass sounds...the Chili Dog (and the OC-2 for that 
>matter)
>tracks much more quickly because there is no harmonizer (record stuff into 
>a
>delay and play it out at a different speed) effect involved.
>
> > I'd like to get the EH Pog,
> > but can't justify nearly $400 for an octave pedal (especially after just 
>buying
> > an EDP), so I was wondering if the Boss pedal is "good enough."  I want 
>to use
> > it with my Taylor 814 and my Gibson Les Paul, (i.e.. with acoustic and 
>electric
> > instruments).  I think I'm most curious as to how well it tracks with 
>acoustic
> > guitars to simulate a bass.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Brian
>
>You can't beat the price of the Chili Dog...$30 from most mail order 
>places.
>Definitely worth a try. And not only that...it's purple!
>
>Mark Smart
>http://www.marksmart.net
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"If you want low latency, buy a fuckin' bass and learn to play it."

Of course, I've already thought about this option, and I can already play bass well enough for my purposes, I'd say.  But switching between guitar and bass over and over again for each song (during different parts of a song) just isn't all that practical (and if I was in the audience, I'd start getting pissed at having to hear the loop those extra times, and I don't personally like it much either being the performer).  The ability to switch instantly would be a BIG plus.  When I do buy a bass it is going to be a $1000-$2500 Warwick, and I'm just not ready to buy that yet (as most of you know, who are not Keller Williams, or Phil Keaggy, these looping gigs don't pay that much).  I'm already carrying up to 4 guitars + small rack + pedals + and recording equipment and the usual stuff to gigs, the last thing I want is to be lugging around another instrument at this point.  I found a Boss pedal for $40, so I was checking to see if this could tide me over until I could figure out something better.  Currently I'm using a pitch-shifter effect, but the latency is terrible.  Of course I would try it out before I bought it, but I figured I would get some opinions of some people that use them in a similar live situation.  And to find out if there were better pedals out there.  It seems as though the POG may be the best choice, but I'm worried that if I end up wanting a different solution and try to get rid of it, the demand just isn't there for a ~$400 octave pedal, besides that, I'm not sure if I could try before I buy, given most stores just don't carry $400 octave pedals.  And at this price range, yeah, I could get an entry level bass.  

I do appreciate the feedback on the OC-2 and the Chili Dog, etc..

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Is the "fuckin' bass" a special order custom shop instrument. If so, 
how's it compare to the "friggin" model?  Thanks.

Sorry - had to ask :-)


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> "If you want low latency, buy a fuckin' bass and learn to play it."
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Its similer to the freaking model. But different from the fargin.
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> Is the "fuckin' bass" a special order custom shop instrument. If so, 
> how's it compare to the "friggin" model?  Thanks.
>
> Sorry - had to ask :-)
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Chris Sewell wrote:
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>> "If you want low latency, buy a fuckin' bass and learn to play it."
>>
>
>
>

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> Of course, I've already thought about this option, and I can already play bass 
> well enough for my purposes, I'd say.  But switching between guitar and bass 
> over and over again for each song (during different parts of a song) just isn't 
> all that practical (and if I was in the audience, I'd start getting pissed at 
> having to hear the loop those extra times, and I don't personally like it much 
> either being the performer).  The ability to switch instantly would be a BIG 
> plus.  

Yeah, this is my rationale, too. With the switch on the guitar I can switch 
instantly between 6 strings of guitar, 2 bass  + 4 guitar, and 
6 of bass. Not practical with a regular freaking electric bass and guitar.

Eventually, when I totally master the Stick, I'll be able to do it all live 
with no looping, but that will require about 100 times as much practicing as 
the Chili Dog/loop setup.

Mark Smart
www.marksmart.net

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I'm working through this issue also.  The octave effect on my Roland 
GP-100 is pretty good (I suspect it's very similar or same technology as 
the OC-2).  However, I did just recently buy a Gracie acoustic guitar 
stand (upright, performance guitar holder), and it can also hold my old 
cheapee bass, with some modifications (read: blocks of foam to span the 
difference between acoustic gutiar thickness and elec bass thickness).

So, I can give you this report:

I like using the octaver effect much more.

Trying to drop a bass line in on a second pass of a loop is much more 
natural (for me) by quickly going to the octave patch, vs. stepping up 
to the bass.  Second, with some tweaking, and using the neck pickup as 
Mark Smart mentioned, I'm getting exactly the effect I want.  No - it 
doesn't sound like a real bass.  It sounds slightly warbly, like a 
fretless.  But using the neck pickup, and picking carefully and cleanly, 
I don't get the octave jumps or strange artifacts.

So, none of this directly confirms the OC-2 for you, but I'd say even if 
you can't try one out before buying, it's worth the $40 to try.  If it 
doesn't blow your skirt up, you should be able to turn it around on eBay 
or Harmony-Central and only lose a few bucks.  Or, try the Chilli 
Dog...  I've heard good things there too - seems like one of the few 
effects that Dano makes that people like.  The French Toast fuzz also 
gets high marks as a Foxx Tone Machine ripoff - wonder if Mr. Belew has 
one yet? :)

Please let us know how it turns out, no matter which one you choose?  
Always looking for a better way.

Dig

PS - I *do* love the Gracie stand for switching to acoustic when I need 
to.  With the stand adjusted right, and my electric strapped on 
correctly (ooo kinky!), I can switch between them in a beat, and the 
electric doesn't hit the acoustic.  Neato.

mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote:

>>Of course, I've already thought about this option, and I can already play bass 
>>well enough for my purposes, I'd say.  But switching between guitar and bass 
>>over and over again for each song (during different parts of a song) just isn't 
>>all that practical (and if I was in the audience, I'd start getting pissed at 
>>having to hear the loop those extra times, and I don't personally like it much 
>>either being the performer).  The ability to switch instantly would be a BIG 
>>plus.  
>>    
>>
>
>Yeah, this is my rationale, too. With the switch on the guitar I can switch 
>instantly between 6 strings of guitar, 2 bass  + 4 guitar, and 
>6 of bass. Not practical with a regular freaking electric bass and guitar.
>
>Eventually, when I totally master the Stick, I'll be able to do it all live 
>with no looping, but that will require about 100 times as much practicing as 
>the Chili Dog/loop setup.
>
>Mark Smart
>www.marksmart.net
>
>
>  
>

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It's so funny what happens anytime anyone drops a swear word on this list.

-J




Paul Mimlitsch wrote:
> Is the "fuckin' bass" a special order custom shop instrument. If so, 
> how's it compare to the "friggin" model?  Thanks.
> 
> Sorry - had to ask :-)
> 
> 
> On Jan 13, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Chris Sewell wrote:
> 
>> "If you want low latency, buy a fuckin' bass and learn to play it."
>>
> 
> 

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<snip>
It seems as though the POG may be the best choice, but I'm worried that if I
end up wanting a different solution and try to get rid of it, the demand
just isn't there for a ~$400 octave pedal, besides that, I'm not sure if I
could try before I buy, given most stores just don't carry $400 octave
pedals. 

--->  Be aware--
Musician's Friend has it in stock (just spoke with them on the phone) and
they have a great return policy.
I would like to check it out but risk dismemberment from my love partner if
I buy one more goddam piece of gear.
Unless someone here buys it and recommends it.
Byee,
Gary



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Hello,


I have a korg dl8000r multi-tap rack unit that I bought from the UK. It 
still has the uk power supply. Big 3 prong thing that runs at 230 volts. 
I need a USA power supply. Should I buy a USA power supply through Korg 
and install it myself? Any suggestions? 


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Thanks for the info, Stephen.

Best
rich

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     There are a bunch of scams going around like this, most of them
worded similarly or at least
with the same modus operandi.  I actually dealt with one of these guys
last year.  I was selling
an item on Craig's List for $150.  This guy wants to receive pictures of
it and hear about it's
condition.  I had already listed a lot of info about it's condition,
this was my first tip off. 
Anyway, I sent photos and didn't hear back for a coupla weeks.  I
inquired again and they
apologized for not getting back to me.  They said a check would be in
the mail.  A few weeks later
I received a check and the same day got an email from them saying that
they believed that I got
the check by now.  The check was mailed from Denmark, and it was a
cashier's check for $4,000 from
a bank in Utah.  They asked me to cash the check, wire them the
difference and they would have
their courier pick up the item from my house.  I took the check to the
post office to ask them if
it was a forgery or not.  They confirmed that it was and asked me if I
could get an address or
phone number from them.  I tried and was not successful.  A few weeks
later I received a phone
call from London, the man's voice sounded African.  He asked if I had
received the check and when
could they expect a wire?  I asked for his name and telephone number and
he refused to give it to
me.  This happened a second time a week later.  I asked him if he was
aware that the check was a
forgery.  He vehemently denied it.  End of story.

     A couple of clues that should prick up anyones ears.  They never
refer to the item by name
other than perhaps in the Subject Line.  They always ask for more info,
pictures, condition,
regardless of how well you described it in the first place.  Even if you
ultimately don't fall for
it, it's a huge waste of time (at least the first time...)  Hopefully
this email will save a few
people from that.

     Evidently, even though your bank may cash the check for you, when
it comes up as a forgery a
few days later, you are held responsible.  Nowadays whenever I receive a
scam asking me for photos
and more information I usually respond "How about you go intercourse
yourself instead?" (though
not in such polite terms.)  Funny thing, I usually never hear back from
them...  What, is it
something I said?

     EBay is turning into more and more of a nightmare.  I just got an
email from them today
informing me that they are no longer supplying the complementary
vaseline.  Instead, they are
raising their rates to 8% of the final sale if it's under $1,000.  If
one of these scammers pulls
that kind of ca-ca on you, it's not as easy to wiggle out of it for fear
of receiving negative
feedback.

     If you live in the States, CraigsList rocks.  It was recently sold
by the initial guys,
though they put a bunch of terms on the sale, like it always has to be
free, no pop up ads, etc. 
These guys really did us all a favor.  They even have a link on their
front page warning people of
scams like the ones we're talking about here.  I believe that Harmony
Central does too.

              Stephen




<<Since advertising with them recently, I have gotten three replies from
European countries who
are 
seeing the ads on the web.  However, the replies are ALL worded almost
exactly the same, even 
though they are from different sources.  This smells of something
rotten, to me...kindof like
those 
hoax mails you get about "I am the recipient of a multi-million dollar
family trust and I need
your 
help in dispersing it".

Anyway, here is the text of the last reply.  Has anybody seen these?
Are they malicious?

"Hello,
Ê I saw yourÊ AdvertÊÊ over the web and am much interested in buying it.
I live here in the 
Germany, I will be responsible for the shippment down to my location, so
please kindly write me
backwith 
your last offering price. And i will also need some recent pictures of
it , I will like to know 
the condition and please let me know if it is still availableÊ . I am
Looking forward to your 
soonest reply"

As I said, I got replies from Italy (address no longer active when I
replied w/ pics), and another

this morning from Canada (haven't heard back).

this third one worded the exact same way was what pricked up my ears.

sorry for the off topic...I'm just curious now.

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     Brian,

     I use the Boss PS-5, which has 5 different settings of pitch shift effects, one of them being
a pitch shift up or down by as much as two octaves (2nds, 3rds, 4ths, 5ths, octaves and double
octaves).  It doesn't glitch, doesn't have latency problems, handles chords just fine, and sounds
relatively awesome.  By shifting up an octave or two, you get a pretty decent 12 string kinda
sound, expecially with judicious use of the wet/dry mix knob.  The octave down really does work
well.  It actually gets pretty beefy.  The only downside is that it costs $130 new (if you know
where to look, $150 to $200 if you don't).  The upside is that it's small, has the familiar Boss
DC power in, sounds great on an acoustic guitar, has both mono and stereo out, 5 different
functions including intelligent shifting and detuning, and 4 controller knobs (1 of them
concentric) controlling way more than any pedal in its right mind should really try to do.  For
all that it does it deserves to be the size of an Electrix rack mount.  Huh, now there's an
idea...

         Stephen




<<I have to assume some people on this list use the Boss Octave pedal in their looping setups, to 
achieve "bass guitar" sounds.  To those of you that do....do you like it?  what do you think of
the 
tracking?  I'd like to get the EH Pog, but can't justify nearly $400...>>  (snip)


		
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How much for a good double neck - bass & guitar nowadays?

Think about it.  You could look like a God.

David Kirkdorffer



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>
>      Brian,
>
>      I use the Boss PS-5, which has 5 different settings of pitch shift
effects, one of them being
> a pitch shift up or down by as much as two octaves (2nds, 3rds, 4ths,
5ths, octaves and double
> octaves).  It doesn't glitch, doesn't have latency problems, handles
chords just fine, and sounds
> relatively awesome.  By shifting up an octave or two, you get a pretty
decent 12 string kinda
> sound, expecially with judicious use of the wet/dry mix knob.  The octave
down really does work
> well.  It actually gets pretty beefy.  The only downside is that it costs
$130 new (if you know
> where to look, $150 to $200 if you don't).  The upside is that it's small,
has the familiar Boss
> DC power in, sounds great on an acoustic guitar, has both mono and stereo
out, 5 different
> functions including intelligent shifting and detuning, and 4 controller
knobs (1 of them
> concentric) controlling way more than any pedal in its right mind should
really try to do.  For
> all that it does it deserves to be the size of an Electrix rack mount.
Huh, now there's an
> idea...
>
>          Stephen
>
>
>
>
> <<I have to assume some people on this list use the Boss Octave pedal in
their looping setups, to
> achieve "bass guitar" sounds.  To those of you that do....do you like it?
what do you think of
> the
> tracking?  I'd like to get the EH Pog, but can't justify nearly $400...>>
(snip)
>
>
>
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I'm not sure I could use any of those ringtones where I work, but I love =
that Abbott & Costello routine so much I might risk it.





  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:11 AM
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            =20
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         http://chickiboom.com/records/ringtones/index.htm
         =20
        Hey,
        can I get some feedback?

               Above is a link to some ringtones I have been working on, =
mp3 format. I'm looking for some feedback. Since this group has never =
been shy, please comment.=20

               I try to build tones with a hook at the head and a change =
or build every 7 - 10 seconds, considering most calls are answered in 7 =
seconds. Also, most phones go to voice mail before the 19 second mark. =
The rest of the tone is to give the feel of a compleat product when =
auditioning to buy.

                TX!
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> How much for a good double neck - bass & guitar nowadays?
>
> Think about it.  You could look like a God.
>
> David Kirkdorffer
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "S V G" <vsyevolod@yahoo.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Boss Octave Pedal
>
>
> >
> >      Brian,
> >
> >      I use the Boss PS-5, which has 5 different settings of pitch shift
> effects, one of them being
> > a pitch shift up or down by as much as two octaves (2nds, 3rds, 4ths,
> 5ths, octaves and double
> > octaves).  It doesn't glitch, doesn't have latency problems, handles
> chords just fine, and sounds
> > relatively awesome.  By shifting up an octave or two, you get a pretty
> decent 12 string kinda
> > sound, expecially with judicious use of the wet/dry mix knob.  The
octave
> down really does work
> > well.  It actually gets pretty beefy.  The only downside is that it
costs
> $130 new (if you know
> > where to look, $150 to $200 if you don't).  The upside is that it's
small,
> has the familiar Boss
> > DC power in, sounds great on an acoustic guitar, has both mono and
stereo
> out, 5 different
> > functions including intelligent shifting and detuning, and 4 controller
> knobs (1 of them
> > concentric) controlling way more than any pedal in its right mind should
> really try to do.  For
> > all that it does it deserves to be the size of an Electrix rack mount.
> Huh, now there's an
> > idea...
> >
> >          Stephen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <<I have to assume some people on this list use the Boss Octave pedal in
> their looping setups, to
> > achieve "bass guitar" sounds.  To those of you that do....do you like
it?
> what do you think of
> > the
> > tracking?  I'd like to get the EH Pog, but can't justify nearly
$400...>>
> (snip)
> >
> >
> >
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on 1/13/05 3:43 PM, Chris Sewell at chris@gguitars.com wrote:

> Its similer to the freaking model. But different from the fargin.
> On Jan 13, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote:
> 
>> Is the "fuckin' bass" a special order custom shop instrument. If so,
>> how's it compare to the "friggin" model?  Thanks.
>> 
>> Sorry - had to ask :-)
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 13, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Chris Sewell wrote:
>> 
>>> "If you want low latency, buy a fuckin' bass and learn to play it."
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
FWIW    When I do electric work with my echoplex I use a doubleneck  Ibanez
one neck six string and one a bass...I love this combo I am hooking the 6
string side to a Roland VG 8 for more options..btw has anyone use the
Behringer DDX3216 digital mixer? 

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on 1/13/05 3:43 PM, Chris Sewell at chris@gguitars.com wrote:<BR>
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&gt; Its similer to the freaking model. But different from the fargin.<BR>
&gt; On Jan 13, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote:<BR>
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&gt;&gt; Is the &quot;fuckin' bass&quot; a special order custom shop instru=
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&gt;&gt; how's it compare to the &quot;friggin&quot; model? &nbsp;Thanks.<B=
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&gt;&gt; <BR>
&gt;&gt; Sorry - had to ask :-)<BR>
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&gt;&gt; On Jan 13, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Chris Sewell wrote:<BR>
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&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;If you want low latency, buy a fuckin' bass and learn to=
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>FWIW    When I do electric work with my echoplex I use a doubleneck
Ibanez  one neck six string and one a >bass...I love this combo I am
hooking the 6 string side to a Roland VG 8 for more options..btw has
anyone >use the Behringer DDX3216 digital mixer?  

I am. Short version: Great value for the money. Would be even great
value for more money. I use it as a FOH/recording console for my
ensemble projects. Which gets us an excellent live sound, and when I do
rough mixes of our recordings using the mixer, it always takes me lots
of time to replicate the sound of these rough mixes using the most
advanced software tools.
Pro: very flexible structure, (for my taste) excellent dynamic
processors, powerful features.
Con: Aux 1-4 are hardwired to internal effect processors (so only 4
auxes for outboard machines), limited flexibility of internal effectors
(e.g. it's not possible to run more than two reverbs), no eq/dynamics on
busses.

If you want any more details, please contact me offlist to avoid
anti-behringer rants...

	Rainer


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This is the topic i was trying to start mentioning the
Alvarez GK ready guitar:
http://www.alvarezgtr.com/bigguitarspgs/wy1rrbig.html
The roland basses are excellent sounding and you can
even build a preset where you have the bass on the
bottom strings only plus all the other goodies.I know
a lot of you shy away from guitar synths but this
beats the horrible sounding pitch shifters!
cheers
luis



--- mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> > Of course, I've already thought about this option,
> and I can already play bass 
> > well enough for my purposes, I'd say.  But
> switching between guitar and bass 
> > over and over again for each song (during
> different parts of a song) just isn't 
> > all that practical (and if I was in the audience,
> I'd start getting pissed at 
> > having to hear the loop those extra times, and I
> don't personally like it much 
> > either being the performer).  The ability to
> switch instantly would be a BIG 
> > plus.  
> 
> Yeah, this is my rationale, too. With the switch on
> the guitar I can switch 
> instantly between 6 strings of guitar, 2 bass  + 4
> guitar, and 
> 6 of bass. Not practical with a regular freaking
> electric bass and guitar.
> 
> Eventually, when I totally master the Stick, I'll be
> able to do it all live 
> with no looping, but that will require about 100
> times as much practicing as 
> the Chili Dog/loop setup.
> 
> Mark Smart
> www.marksmart.net
> 
> 


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Sorry for the off topic, but I cant find this help from anyone else, you =
guys are the best tech-heads...
I have a Korg MS2000R Synth, and I have started to send the output of my =
loopers thru the Audio Input for mangling... etc. However, The sound Im =
getting out of the synth is somewhat quiet, in comparison to the synth =
patches. If I boost the input level knob on the synth, it distorts.
I am feeding the synth the signal from the "direct outs" from my =
behringer mixer. (via a patch bay)
I am wondering what I can do about this.. =20
Is this an impedance thing? Im afraid I dont understand any of this, but =
Ive copied the tech spec for the inputs to the synth HERE:

Inputs: AUDIO IN 1, 2, Level switch LINE / MIC, [AUDIO IN 1, =
2(LINE)]Input impedance =3D 39 k-ohms, Maximum output level =3D -3.5 dBu =
(Audio In knob maximum), [AUDIO IN 2(MIC)] Input impedance =3D 22 =
k-ohms, Maximum output level =3D -33 dBu (Audio In knob maximum), Input =
source impedance =3D 600 ohms=20

Now, I dont undersand any of this, if I boosted the signal BEFORE the =
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I boost on the synth, just it gets distorted...

Any one else doing this?/using ms2000r?

Help

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Prepping for an impending move to Colorado so I've decided to sell some 
equipment:

1 - 8 sec Jamman - $200 (fully functional, 1 foot switch)
1 - 8 sec Digitech RDs 8000 - $125 (fully functional)
1 - 8 sec Digitech PDS 8000 pedal - $75 (fully functional)	
1 - 8 sec Digitech PDS 8000 pedal - $50 (fully functional though one 
footswitch is starting to act up - sometimes doesn't respond to first 
tap - switch should be replaced eventually)
(sell the pair of PDS 8000 for $100)
1 - Akai DPS12 Hard disk recorder (factory installed effects card) - 
$350

- Shipping to be determined.

- going on ebay shortly - respond off list.

May post a couple guitars/ amps later. 

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I'll take the JamMan, if you'll ship to Denmark :)

Paul Mimlitsch wrote:
> Prepping for an impending move to Colorado so I've decided to sell
> some equipment:
> 
> 1 - 8 sec Jamman - $200 (fully functional, 1 foot switch)
> 1 - 8 sec Digitech RDs 8000 - $125 (fully functional)
> 1 - 8 sec Digitech PDS 8000 pedal - $75 (fully functional)
> 1 - 8 sec Digitech PDS 8000 pedal - $50 (fully functional though one
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> tap - switch should be replaced eventually)
> (sell the pair of PDS 8000 for $100)
> 1 - Akai DPS12 Hard disk recorder (factory installed effects card) -
> $350
> 
> - Shipping to be determined.
> 
> - going on ebay shortly - respond off list.
> 
> May post a couple guitars/ amps later.

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Get the loan of a Variac or a step up (110v to 230v) and plug in your
Korg. Measure the secondary output of the power supply inside the
Korg. Buy a new transformer and install. If you haven't done this
before have a qualified tech do it. It is not such a big deal but you
need to do it properly.

ATB

Tryg

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Korg MS2000 at Yahoo grps:

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David Kirkdorffer wrote:

> How much for a good double neck - bass & guitar nowadays?
> Think about it. You could look like a God.

And need him to hold you up!  ;-)

Cheers,

Bill

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All this talk about the Boss Octave pedal reminded me that I'd like to 
find something that I can play my bass through and bring it up an 
octave.  I then want to use a guitar processor on this to help it sound 
more like a guitar than a pitch shifted, munchkin-sounding bass.  What's 
out there?

Reason:  I'm in a trio; guitar - bass - drums.  There are times when I 
want to duplicate the sound of a guitar playing along with the bass line 
to free the guitarist to play something else or to make us sound like 
there are more than just three of us.

Cheers,

Bill

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on 1/14/05 5:46 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill at rs@moinlabs.de
wrote:

>> FWIW    When I do electric work with my echoplex I use a doubleneck
> Ibanez  one neck six string and one a >bass...I love this combo I am
> hooking the 6 string side to a Roland VG 8 for more options..btw has
> anyone >use the Behringer DDX3216 digital mixer?
> 
> I am. Short version: Great value for the money. Would be even great
> value for more money. I use it as a FOH/recording console for my
> ensemble projects. Which gets us an excellent live sound, and when I do
> rough mixes of our recordings using the mixer, it always takes me lots
> of time to replicate the sound of these rough mixes using the most
> advanced software tools.
> Pro: very flexible structure, (for my taste) excellent dynamic
> processors, powerful features.
> Con: Aux 1-4 are hardwired to internal effect processors (so only 4
> auxes for outboard machines), limited flexibility of internal effectors
> (e.g. it's not possible to run more than two reverbs), no eq/dynamics on
> busses.
> 
> If you want any more details, please contact me offlist to avoid
> anti-behringer rants...
> 
> Rainer
> 
> 
Glad to hear from you.  I looked at a variety of digital mixers, Spirit,
Panasonic,  Roland, Yamaha etc. and would have forked good cash for them,
but the DDX3216 dropped to $599 including the dual channel Adat 1616.  Just
perfect to feed into my Motu interface..I was extremely wary as I had read
some things and I always thought that the brand was probably mediocre or
questionable.  But I started researching the  bulleting boards ginning
throught the rants raves and bs, and got the impression people ranting were
biased. I read some great reviews.  I took the plunge and got one.  free
shipping and extra 3 year no questions warranty for $75 extra...45 day trial
(Musicians Friend).  I figured, hell that sound pretty good. What have I got
to lose.  I'll give it a go.     In the trial phase now.  This is my first
digital.  At this point I have no complaints.  A physics instructor I once
had told us when we got a new piece of electronic gear to keep it on when
you first get it as if something is going to go it will go pretty
quick..don't know about that, but I have kept it on for extended periods and
everything is going good, knock on wood. I have to say to my pleasant
surprise some of these effects are really good and easy to tweak and the
mixer, well I am liking it more everday...  I am trying to get a good
acoustic tone utilizing an Avalon U5 with my Takamine.  I noticed a tinny
sound but now I am convinced it may be my strings. I am curious if they will
come out with any Digital Performer templates...will keep in touch...thanks

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<div><b>Electrix Announces 7 New Products for 2005</b><br>
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<div>There's been a lot of speculation about the future of Electrix
and its award winning products. Now the wait is nearly over, Electrix
is proud to announce the launch of 7 new products for 2005. The new
gear is expected be available in April/May. To be the first to own the
new products, contact your local dealer to place your special orders
as initial quantities are expected to be limited.<br>
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<div>Familiar faces with a new twist! We suspect you'll see some
familiar faces, but don't be fooled, the new Electrix products have
some distinct differences from their brethren. The new products are
easily distinguishable with their new anodized aluminum
faceplates.<br>
</div>
<div>Read more preliminary information below:<br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>MO-FX MK2 - Time Synchronized FX<img
src=3D"http://www.electrixpro.com/images/MOFXmk2.gif" width=3D"400"
height=3D"74" vspace=3D"5"><b> MO-FX MK2 makes it easy to synchronize
time-based effects.</b> Synchronizing -<b> Flange, Tremolo, and
Delay</b> just got as simple as tapping in a tempo or sending MO-FX
MIDI clock. Sculpt your sound without losing the beat! Analog
modeled<b> Distortion</b> will take you from subtle warming to total
crunching mayhem. The<b> Flange</b> spans from subtle pulsations to
powerful howling jet screams. The<b> Tremolo</b> and<b> stereo
panner</b> has sine, triangular and multiple square wave patterns.
Analog Modeled Delay of up to 2.6 seconds with<b> tape delay, looping,
pitch shifting effects, and a stereo ping-pong mode</b>. Synchronized
timing and<b> separate beat division control</b> for each effect
block.<b> MIDI in out and thru</b> lets you automate and sequence
every single control setting and movement! .</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Warp Factory MK2 - The Ultimate Vocoder<img
src=3D"http://www.electrixpro.com/images/warpfactorymk2.gif"
width=3D"400" height=3D"74" vspace=3D"5"></div>
<div><b>Make any sound speak!</b> Simply plug in a microphone to use
the<b> built in oscillator</b> for the classic vocoder voice. Or
combine any two signals to create human-like,<b> "intergalactic"
sounds</b>.<b> 24 intelligent filter</b> bands deliver incredible
sound clarity.<b> Front panel mic input</b> and built in oscillator
equals plug n' play vocoding. Use<b> Gender Control</b> to bend from
male to female formants without affecting the pitch.<b> Formant
=46reeze</b> captures the vowel sound so you can<b> sustain your
&quot;ooooos, aaaaas, or eeeees&quot; forever</b>. A mic bypass path
allows you to easily toggle between affected and unaffected vocals.<b>
MIDI in out and thru</b> lets you automate and sequence every single
control setting and movement.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Filter Factory MK2 - Analog High Order Filter<img
src=3D"http://www.electrixpro.com/images/FILTERFACTORYmk2.gif"
width=3D"400" height=3D"74" vspace=3D"5"></div>
<div>Put the analog edge back into your sound! Run<b> keyboards,
samples or guitar tracks</b> through the Filter Factory MK2 and you'll
get everything from<b> thick, retro filter sweeps to sub harmonic
rumblings or even tweeter-shredding mayhem</b>.<b> Four Filters
types</b> include Low pass, High Pass, Band Pass, and Notch filters.
LFO (low frequency oscillator) with<b> beat divisions syncable to tap
tempo or MIDI clock</b>. Five waveforms types sawtooth, inverse
sawtooth, triangle, square and random. Distortion gives you everything
from a bit of extra punch to in-your-face buzz. Smooth Analog Sounds
with<b> Full MIDI automation</b>. MIDI in out and thru lets you
automate and sequence every single control setting and movement.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Filter King MK2 - Vintage Filter&nbsp;&nbsp; EQ Killer MK2 -
=46requency Killer<img
src=3D"http://www.electrixpro.com/images/filterkingmk2.gif" width=3D"200"
height=3D"70" vspace=3D"5"> &nbsp;<img
src=3D"http://www.electrixpro.com/images/eq-killermk2.gif" width=3D"200"
height=3D"70" vspace=3D"5"><b> Big analog sound in a small package!<br>
</b>Nothing sounds as great as<b> real analog filtering</b>. Filter
King MK2 can turn the dullest, most lifeless samples into lush, warm,
phatt sounds. Choose between<b> Four Filter types</b>, Low Pass, High
Pass, Band Pass and Notch filters. The<b> Envelope Follower</b>
creates a unique sound-shaping palette with depth, shape and band
limiting controls. The LFO can be used at the same time as the
Envelope Follower for some funky modulations. Dial in one of the<b>
=46ive Waveforms</b>; saw tooth, inverse saw tooth, triangle, square and
random. The<b> Expression Pedal</b> input lets you play the frequency
like a Wah pedal. &nbsp;<b> The Customizable Kill Box<br>
</b>Most EQs are too gentle to do anything creative with. EQ Killer
MK2 transforms the EQ concept and gives you ultimate control over<b>
frequency manipulation</b>. Dial in low, mid and high EQ bands each
with level knobs as well as latching and momentary kill buttons.<b>
Tunable Crossover Frequencies</b> - Low Pass and High Pass filters let
you fine tune your EQ bands.<b> Momentary Buttons</b> - our silent,
spring-loaded buttons let you instantly kick frequencies in and out
and play the EQ.<b> FX Send and Return</b> produce totally new sounds
by effecting only the frequency bands you kill.</div>
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I don't like the munchkin sounding guitar/bass sound either.  Up until
recently, I have been using the octave patch on my Boss SX-700 rack
mount effects processor. It's an old unit, but it still kicks butt for
octave, delay, and chorus. I run the octave on my acoustic guitar about
60% wet. There is no squireliness here.  

However, I bought the Alesis Akira last month, and this thing has an
effect called "sub bass" that totally blows my mind.  I'm not sure how
the effect works, but it is VERY rich and deep sounding, not like a
traditional octave effect at all. It must be like a sub-harmonic
synthesizer or simulator. The sound is absolutely HUGE, like the mellow,
deep in the ground, synth bass you might hear on some contemporary pop
songs (doesn't sound like a string electric bass).  It is lightening
fast, no delay or shifting around like it can't decide what pitch to
produce. And the best thing is that I can set the frequency at which I
want it to add the sub bass effect. I set it so that it starts adding
the effect with my low A string.  Now I can play finger style, play bass
lines, but also play melody lines that don't have the effect.  It's a
beautiful thing!

The trick now is just controlling the savage low frequency, and
preventing it from redlining my signal. 

Kris 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us] 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 9:21 AM
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: Up An Octave


All this talk about the Boss Octave pedal reminded me that I'd like to 
find something that I can play my bass through and bring it up an 
octave.  I then want to use a guitar processor on this to help it sound 
more like a guitar than a pitch shifted, munchkin-sounding bass.  What's

out there?

Reason:  I'm in a trio; guitar - bass - drums.  There are times when I 
want to duplicate the sound of a guitar playing along with the bass line

to free the guitarist to play something else or to make us sound like 
there are more than just three of us.

Cheers,

Bill


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<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I don't like the =
munchkin sounding guitar/bass sound either.&nbsp; Up until recently, I =
have been using the octave patch on my Boss SX-700 rack mount effects =
processor. It&#8217;s an old unit, but it still kicks butt for octave, =
delay, and chorus. I run the octave on my acoustic guitar about 60% wet. =
There is no squireliness here.&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">However, I bought =
the Alesis Akira last month, and this thing has an effect called =
&quot;sub bass&quot; that totally blows my mind.&nbsp; I'm not sure how =
the effect works, but it is VERY rich and deep sounding, not like a =
traditional octave effect at all. It must be like a sub-harmonic =
synthesizer or simulator. The sound is absolutely HUGE, like the mellow, =
deep in the ground, synth bass you might hear on some contemporary pop =
songs (doesn't sound like a string electric bass).&nbsp; It is =
lightening fast, no delay or shifting around like it can't decide what =
pitch to produce. And the best thing is that I can set the frequency at =
which I want it to add the sub bass effect. I set it so that it starts =
adding the effect with my low A string.&nbsp; Now I can play finger =
style, play bass lines, but also play melody lines that don't have the =
effect.&nbsp; It's a beautiful thing!</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The trick now is =
just controlling the savage low frequency, and preventing it from =
redlining my signal. </FONT></SPAN>
</P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Kris</FONT> =
</SPAN>
</P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">********************************* </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Krispen Hartung =
</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.krispenhartung.com"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT =
COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">http://www.krispenhartung.com</FONT></U></SPAN></A><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial"> </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">info@krispenhartung.com</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">View =
improvisational / real-time looping videos: </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catal=
ogue.htm#videos"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" =
SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartun=
g/catalogue.htm#videos</FONT></U></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN>
</P>
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<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original =
Message-----</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">From: Bill Fox =
[</FONT></SPAN><A HREF=3D"mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us"><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
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<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Sent: Friday, =
January 14, 2005 9:21 AM</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">To: Loopers =
Delight</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Subject: Up An =
Octave</FONT></SPAN>
</P>
<BR>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">All this talk =
about the Boss Octave pedal reminded me that I'd like to </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">find something =
that I can play my bass through and bring it up an </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">octave.&nbsp; I =
then want to use a guitar processor on this to help it sound =
</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">more like a =
guitar than a pitch shifted, munchkin-sounding bass.&nbsp; What's =
</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">out =
there?</FONT></SPAN>
</P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Reason:&nbsp; I'm =
in a trio; guitar - bass - drums.&nbsp; There are times when I =
</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">want to duplicate =
the sound of a guitar playing along with the bass line </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">to free the =
guitarist to play something else or to make us sound like </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">there are more =
than just three of us.</FONT></SPAN>
</P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Cheers,</FONT></SPAN>
</P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Bill</FONT></SPAN>
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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font face="arial" size=2>I have
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>>New features include - More expressive loop creation and control, better support for both ambient and beat-driven looping, enhanced front panel control and enriched MIDI implementation to name a few ...more details to come. <<


is it just me, or is that a tad vague? :-)

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The annual Overdrive Date Master "Holiday" show will be help this Monday
night Jan 17th at Tritone. This is also the opening for local artist Jay
4000 and as a special treat will make the first unveiling of the new
Philly Spacerock band Yeti featuring members of 1929,  Vibrolux, ODM,
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WHO:       Overdrive Date Master, Yeti with Art by Jay 4000
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WHERE:    Tritone 15th and South Streets

FREE!!!!!

ODM will be doing their annual turntable deconstruction set with a few
twists.

Among other things Yeti performs originals and the occasional classic (A
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theremin and modular synth while wearing 6'+ white abominable snowman
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Yes, Binky the wonder money will be there as well. Color flyer on
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Live MP3s of Yeti mayhem currently up at:
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> >>New features include - More expressive loop creation and control,
better support for both ambient and beat-driven looping, enhanced front
panel control and enriched MIDI implementation to name a few ...more
details to come. <<

The descriptions of all the mach II stuff looked pretty much identical
to the originals as far as I can tell.  What I'm curious about though is
how they think they're going to make ANY money selling anything but the
Repeater.  Ever since the Musician's Friend/Guitar Center blowout of the
Electrix line, this stuff has been really cheap (most prices on Ebay are
just now getting to be $50-$100 above the blowout price and there are
always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money manufacturing these
things and selling them for $300-400 how are they going to make any
money selling them this time around?

Of course this doesn't hold true for the Repeater I think but I wonder
why they re-introduced the whole line when there only seems to be demand
for the one product.

Kevin


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<<<If you want any more details, please contact me offlist to avoid
anti-behringer rants...

	Rainer>>>



     Dude, as one of the more outspoken anti-Behringer people on this list, I would love to hear
any information in opposition to my own experience and word-of-mouth tales from friends in the
electronic repair business.  Don't take offense if others trash Behringer, some of that is well
deserved.  We all benefit from the back-and-forth that naturally comes about when differing views
are held.  As somebody once said, "Take your work seriously and yourself lightly".

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 Whoops...I guess this is down an octave! Down, up...I can't tell
anymore these days. :)
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 9:53 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Up An Octave



I don't like the munchkin sounding guitar/bass sound either.  Up until
recently, I have been using the octave patch on my Boss SX-700 rack
mount effects processor. It's an old unit, but it still kicks butt for
octave, delay, and chorus. I run the octave on my acoustic guitar about
60% wet. There is no squireliness here.  

However, I bought the Alesis Akira last month, and this thing has an
effect called "sub bass" that totally blows my mind.  I'm not sure how
the effect works, but it is VERY rich and deep sounding, not like a
traditional octave effect at all. It must be like a sub-harmonic
synthesizer or simulator. The sound is absolutely HUGE, like the mellow,
deep in the ground, synth bass you might hear on some contemporary pop
songs (doesn't sound like a string electric bass).  It is lightening
fast, no delay or shifting around like it can't decide what pitch to
produce. And the best thing is that I can set the frequency at which I
want it to add the sub bass effect. I set it so that it starts adding
the effect with my low A string.  Now I can play finger style, play bass
lines, but also play melody lines that don't have the effect.  It's a
beautiful thing!

The trick now is just controlling the savage low frequency, and
preventing it from redlining my signal. 

Kris 

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-----Original Message----- 
From: Bill Fox [ <mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us>
mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us] 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 9:21 AM 
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Subject: Up An Octave 


All this talk about the Boss Octave pedal reminded me that I'd like to 
find something that I can play my bass through and bring it up an 
octave.  I then want to use a guitar processor on this to help it sound 
more like a guitar than a pitch shifted, munchkin-sounding bass.  What's

out there? 

Reason:  I'm in a trio; guitar - bass - drums.  There are times when I 
want to duplicate the sound of a guitar playing along with the bass line

to free the guitarist to play something else or to make us sound like 
there are more than just three of us. 

Cheers, 

Bill 


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The proudly analog Rocktron Purple Haze can give you an octave up, down, or both... kind of like an MXR Blue Box *and* an Octavia in one indestructable extruded housing. (Did I mention the sexy anodized fuschia color?) I haven't used it on bass, but it sure sounds good on guitar. Sure, the lower octave tracks poorly, but it's so rich, it's the Hardee's 1000-calorie burger of the stompbox world, and besides, it's the upper octave you want anyway.
Worth a test drive if a store near you has one.
Cheers,
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-----Original Message-----
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All this talk about the Boss Octave pedal reminded me that I'd like to 
find something that I can play my bass through and bring it up an 
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more like a guitar than a pitch shifted, munchkin-sounding bass.  What's 
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want to duplicate the sound of a guitar playing along with the bass line 
to free the guitarist to play something else or to make us sound like 
there are more than just three of us.

Cheers,

Bill


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> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money manufacturing these
> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they going to make any
> money selling them this time around?

Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced manufacturing cost on them? 
One would hope that they've tackled the little problem of making a profit...
Jon

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Hey neighbors!

I asked this same question a month ago and got zero response.
I'll be attending the show in Anaheim next week. Steve Lawson=20
will be there, and I presume Kim Flint will be too. That makes 3.
Will anybody else be traipsing down to the infamous NAMM=20
trade show? Wanna meet up for coffee, lunch, beer, whatever?

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
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http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
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"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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<BR>
I asked this same question a month ago and got zero response.<BR>
I'll be attending the show in Anaheim next week. Steve Lawson <BR>
will be there, and I presume Kim Flint will be too. That makes 3.<BR>
Will anybody else be traipsing down to the infamous NAMM <BR>
trade show? Wanna meet up for coffee, lunch, beer, whatever?<BR>
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At 1:23 PM -0500 1/14/05, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

>I'll be attending the show in Anaheim next week. Steve Lawson will 
>be there, and I presume Kim Flint will be too. That makes 3. Will 
>anybody else be traipsing down to the infamous NAMM trade show? 
>Wanna meet up for coffee, lunch, beer, whatever?

I'll be at NAMM for the duration, working with Immersive Media 
Research, booth 1006 in Hall E. I'll be in the booth part of the time 
but also cruising the show. My mobile number is (818) 621-2204.
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> At 1:23 PM -0500 1/14/05, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I'll be at NAMM for the duration, working with Immersive Media 
> Research, booth 1006 in Hall E. I'll be in the booth part of the time 
> but also cruising the show. My mobile number is (818) 621-2204.
> ______________________________________________________________
> Richard Zvonar, PhD

I'll be there at booth 1000 (the very first booth!) demonstrating Lippold 
Haken's Continuum Fingerboard:

<http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/>

This year I'm doing a demo where I simultaneously play Chapman Stick with 
the left hand and Continuum with the right. Should be fun!

Mark Smart
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> All this talk about the Boss Octave pedal reminded me that I'd like to 
> find something that I can play my bass through and bring it up an 
> octave.  I then want to use a guitar processor on this to help it sound 
> more like a guitar than a pitch shifted, munchkin-sounding bass.  What's 
> out there?
> 

Have you ever tried playing bass through an Octavia pedal? I've used a "Jimi
Hendrix Octave Fuzz" on guitar, and, like an octave divider, it works best
if you play one note at a time using the neck pickup with the tone rolled
all the way down. But it has the additional restraint of working only when
you play near the 12th fret. Never tried a pedal like this with a bass, but
it might work.

Mark Smart
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> How much for a good double neck - bass & guitar nowadays?
> Think about it.  You could look like a God.

Oh I TOTALLY agree:

http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/db1b.jpg

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This, from a previous year's show (we're playing next monday in Phila)

http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/odmxmas.htm


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One thing I haven't seen brought up in the octave
down/ octave up discussion that, while many of you may
take for granted, some of you might not be thinking
about involves full-range amplification.

Like many (most?) listmembers, I'm a
multi-instrumentalist caught between the Scylla of
desiring sonic versatility and the Charybdis of having
to carry too much gear around. My rig varies in size
and complexity depending on logistics, practicality
and laziness; generally, it's guitar-based with a
small tube combo amp for straight guitar signal and a
full-range stereo mixer/power amp/speakers setup for
the reverb and loops, plus for other instruments I
loop that might not sound great through a guitar amp.
Depending on the situation, the speakers might be
larger cabs with horns and 15" woofers, or modified
12" wedge monitors, or these little cabs I made by
sawing a  car speaker thing in half. Obviously, the
best low-end response is when I'm using the big boys,
but not only do I then have to transport them,
sometimes the setup doesn't even fit on the stage. The
12-inchers don't have a very good low-end; a fact that
David Kirkdorffer tactfully pointed out to me once.
I'm currently experimenting with a subwoofer/satellite
system that might be the best size-to-ooomph ratio
I've tried yet, but it's not ready yet.

When I'm playing with other folks and wearing my bass
player hat for the whole evening, obviously I bring
along a bass amp. But for times when bass is either an
adjunct to guitar or simulated with circuitry, I don't
usually feel like bringing both amps, so the low end
suffers. That's why I hardly ever use either of my
doublenecks; the bass just sounds wrong when
inadequately amplified. (If anyone remembers my
cobalt-blue quasi-Teuffel Tesla doubleneck with the
two-string fretless bass neck above the headless
6-string guitar neck, several months ago I removed the
bass neck. I wasn't using it much and it kept whacking
my mic stand...)

So, in critiquing the various octave and
pitch-shifting pedals, we have to remember that the
playing field isn't exactly level....

-t-


		
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Hi all,

I'll be around NAMM at least Th, Fri, Sat.  I'd love to check out what 
anybody else is doing there loop wise.

As for me... Jerry Marotta and I will be doing some performances for 
Sennheiser/True Systems and I'll be doing a few solo spots at The 
Chapman Stick booth.  We're also doing a number of shows that week and 
beyond along the west ocast. The schedule should be:

NAMM - Th 12pm - Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber - Sennheiser booth
NAMM - Th 2pm - Tom Griesgraber - Stick Enterprises booth
NAMM - Th 4pm - Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber - Sennheiser booth
NAMM - Fri 12pm - Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber - Sennheiser booth
NAMM - Fri 1:30pm - Tom Griesgraber - Stick Enterprises booth
NAMM - Fri 3pm - Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber - Sennheiser booth
NAMM - Sat 12pm - Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber - Sennheiser booth
NAMM - Sat 4pm - Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber - Sennheiser booth

(and beyond...)

San Diego, CA - Wed Jan 19, 8pm
California Guitar Trio with Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber
Dizzy's
344 7th Ave, between J and K
All ages. $20 general admission

San Juan Capistrano, CA - Sat Jan 22, 8pm
Steve Morse Band/Dixie Dregs with guests Jerry Marotta and Tom 
Griesgraber
The Coach House
33157 Camino Capistrano
All ages.
***** DISCOUNT TICKETS AVAILABLE THROUGH THOSSOUNDS! *****
To order, visit www.thossounds.com or call 760-942-1031

Eugene, OR - Th Jan 27, 8pm
Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber
Cafe Paradiso
115 West Broadway
www.cafeparadiso.com
$10, 21 and up
(we'll also be doing an instore appearance at CD World in Eugene 1/27 @ 
5pm)

Portland, OR - Sat Jan 29, 8pm
Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber
Mississippi Studios
3939 N Mississippi
www.mississippistudios.com
503-288-3895
$15, 21 and up
(instore appearance at Music Millenium's NW Portland store, 1/29 @ 3pm)

Ben Lomond (Santa Cruz), CA - Tues Feb 1, 8pm
Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber
Henfling's
9450 Hwy 9
831-336-8811
$10 adv, $12 door

Berkeley, CA - Wed Feb 2, 8pm
Jupiter
2181 Shattuck Ave
www.jupiterbeer.com
510-the-rock


Thanks for reading!  Hope to meet some of you "out there!"


Tom Griesgraber
www.thossounds.com
760-942-1031

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I have a Boss Octave in my rig, too. It has its ups & downs. 

The Ups: It allows a simulated bass feel for making loops, etc. to
differentiate between guit/bass in your compositions. Not as "deep and rich"
as a real bass, tho.

The Downs: You have to pick your strings a) gently and b) notes
individually. The reason is because of the intense vibration and feedback
yielded by the pedal (raspy thru a guitar amp) and any attempted chord
playing with it. You have to tweak the knobs a bit to get the desired depth.

I am looking for something, too. Perhaps my laptop and a few bass/stick/Warr
sample CDs looped will be a good solution. I will try...then later give a
report back to L-D!

Ed in NJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:02 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Boss Octave Pedal

I have to assume some people on this list use the Boss Octave pedal in their
looping setups, to achieve "bass guitar" sounds.  To those of you that
do....do you like it?  what do you think of the tracking?  I'd like to get
the EH Pog, but can't justify nearly $400 for an octave pedal (especially
after just buying an EDP), so I was wondering if the Boss pedal is "good
enough."  I want to use it with my Taylor 814 and my Gibson Les Paul, (i.e..
with acoustic and electric instruments).  I think I'm most curious as to how
well it tracks with acoustic guitars to simulate a bass.  Any feedback would
be greatly appreciated.  

Brian


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Forgive me if this was already touched on, so many posts today.

I understand if a played want sot use their own favorite guitar and not
switch instruments. I haven't said much yet but after years of using a
Roland GR300 and casio midi guitar the past year I got a Roland VG8 and
have to say it's tracking is beyond superb. I have it on one of my old
Ibanez guitars but you coudl mount the GK2 pickup on any instrument
including an acoustic. You will find no better polyphonic tracking
instrument that can simulate bass guitar, bass synth, Bass, guitar(s),
guitar synth etc.

Personally I am not overwhelmned by all the "virtual" guitar models,
pickups, amps, emclosures, etc. However as a tool with many sounds, easy
to get to for live use, and *playable* with amazing senstivity it is the
best instrument I've used on guitar. I haven't put it into my live gig rig
yet but I have a feeling when I do I'll be simplifying and changing my
thinking a LOT.

You can mix your original guitar signal and the VG signal with thepickup
controls on the instrument so there's no need to give up anything you
currently have. Play guitar and loop it, play "bass" and loop it, play
donkeys braying and loop it. Done :)

I have the VG8EX version which I got used for a song. You can get an
extremely good bargain for that or the original VG8 now that the VG88 is
out and silly people feel they need the "next big thing" (tm).


 
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Doesn't matter. For $300-400 bucks, I'd buy one.
 
Willie

goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:

>>New features include - More expressive loop creation and control, better support for both ambient and beat-driven looping, enhanced front panel control and enriched MIDI implementation to name a few ...more details to come. <<


is it just me, or is that a tad vague? :-) 

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<DIV>Doesn't matter. For $300-400 bucks, I'd buy one.</DIV>
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It is vague. I just want to see the words, "OS upgrade", or really "BUGS
FIXED!", or, "Electrix is pleased to announce that from now on your tempo
won't change when you hit the multiply command."
Small potatoes really. Don't need a whole new box. Still I'm happy and
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much.

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Partying, networking, music.

Find people to share your next gig with:  We can do more together than
we can alone.

Date to be determined via evite poll  - Friday or Saturday, 7:30,
either 2/4,2/5, 2/11 or 2/12

Email me offlist for more details, and the evite.

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<cello@zoekeating.com> wrote:
> It is vague. I just want to see the words, "OS upgrade", or really "BUGS
> FIXED!", or, "Electrix is pleased to announce that from now on your tempo
> won't change when you hit the multiply command."
> Small potatoes really. Don't need a whole new box. Still I'm happy and
> will try not to complain! I don't like to jinx anything by wishing for too
> much.
> 

>From the Repeater user's group.
Peter Toms wrote:

> The new release is an OS upgrade primarily, as everyone here has
> surmised, with changes in dress panels. They wanted to get to market as
> fast as possible, basically. Designing a new line would be a year or
> more's worth of money and time. The great news is that the OS is
> substantially improved, and as I've noted here recently, they've been
> using our wishlist in part to generate the improvements. There's more
> onboard memory, lots of new things. The upgrade will be as simple as
> downloading the software onto your CFC, then loading it on to your unit.
> So the old and the new units will be perfectly compatible.


I think we can surmise that we are going to be pleased with the upgrade...

bIz

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Damn, did I just send that out without mentioning that I'm in San
Francsico, again?

I think I've just realized why I just perform, instead of setting up events....


On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:20:06 -0800, biz <delighted.looper@gmail.com> wrote:
> Partying, networking, music.
> 
> Find people to share your next gig with:  We can do more together than
> we can alone.
> 
> Date to be determined via evite poll  - Friday or Saturday, 7:30,
> either 2/4,2/5, 2/11 or 2/12
> 
> Email me offlist for more details, and the evite.
> 
> --
> 
> bIz
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." -
> Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half
> thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist.
> 
> Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com
> Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next
> cd release - for free!
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> <a href="http://www.groovetronica.com>Electronica and Groove: Angst
> and Sex Music</a>
> 


-- 

bIz

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-------------------------------------------------------

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I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave the magic wand of 
debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to recoup?  And yeah, 
it's probably made in China now to lower manufacturing costs.

After filtering marketing speak, their description of the new version 
sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and put a pretty 
faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true, but I'm not 
expecting a big jump forward from the functionality of the original 
unit.


On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM, 
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> From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
> Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
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>
>
>> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money manufacturing these
>> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they going to make any
>> money selling them this time around?
>
> Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced manufacturing cost on 
> them? One would hope that they've tackled the little problem of making 
> a profit...
> Jon

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Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go directly into overdub
after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward from the
functionality of the original unit".

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I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave the magic wand of 
debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to recoup?  And yeah, 
it's probably made in China now to lower manufacturing costs.

After filtering marketing speak, their description of the new version 
sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and put a pretty 
faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true, but I'm not 
expecting a big jump forward from the functionality of the original 
unit.


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> From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
> Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
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>
>
>> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money manufacturing these 
>> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they going to make any 
>> money selling them this time around?
>
> Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced manufacturing cost on
> them? One would hope that they've tackled the little problem of making

> a profit...
> Jon

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http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050113.html

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each 
Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and 
webcasting on
the internet.

                    Show #408                    January 13, 2005

RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on Spheric Music, a German record
label run by Lambert Ringlage.  The Featured CD at Midnight was a 
compilation
disc, "Electronic Highlights."

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Structures from Silence" by Steve 
Roach on
Fortuna Records from 1984.

Spheric Music - 
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jan


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
===============================
11:00 pm
Steve Roach             Quiet Friend *           Structures from Silence
                                                   (Fortuna)
Deep Sky Divers         Skylander                Incandescent (Any 
Robinhood)
Robert Ziino            Ode to Twilight Clones   Music from te Valley of the
                                                   Flowers (none)
Arcane                  33 1/3 RPM Side One      33 1/3 RPM (NeuHarmony)
Spielerei and Mantacoup Sfunato                  Wichman and Other Pieces
                                                   (Databloem)

12:00 am
VA [Driftin' Thoughts]  Serenity                 Electronic Highlights 
(Spheric)
VA [Palantir]           The Flight               Electronic Highlights 
(Spheric)
VA [Lambert]            Immersion                Electronic Highlights 
(Spheric)
VA [Norman              Emotional State of Mind  Electronic Highlights 
(Spheric)
  Friedenberger]
VA [Jiannis]            Zoomland I               Electronic Highlights 
(Spheric)
VA [Rudolf Heimann]     Homeward Bound           Electronic Highlights 
(Spheric)
VA [Apeiron]            Way To Paradise          Electronic Highlights 
(Spheric)
VA [Tranquillity]       Intrinsic                Electronic Highlights 
(Spheric)
VA [Jiannis and         Secrets of the Night     Electronic Highlights 
(Spheric)
  Lambert]
VA [Stephen Parsick]    Close Beneath the        Electronic Highlights 
(Spheric)
                          Surface

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Spheric Music
record label.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Syntonic Waves 
Volume 8," a
sampler of various artists.

The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Mosaic" by Richard Burmer on Fortuna
Records from 1984.

Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at
11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 
93.9 FM
in Easton and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and
click on the LISTEN link or go directly to:
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>>>All this talk about the Boss Octave pedal reminded me that I'd like to
find something that I can play my bass through and bring it up an
octave.  I then want to use a guitar processor on this to help it sound
more like a guitar than a pitch shifted, munchkin-sounding bass.  What's
out there?<<<

The MPX-G2 does this really really well. I've got a few octave up settings 
that I love. From screaming lead sounds to a more Metheny-esque jazz-guitar 
tone. no munchkin-noises for me. :o) There are a few tracks on my latest 
album, 'Grace And Gratitude' that use this sound.

Steve
www.stevelawson.net 

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I will, as Ted says, be there. I'm playing at and compering the BassQuake 
event at JT Schmidt's on Thursday night, the I'll be around the show - 
playing a bit on the AccuGroove and Modulus stands...

cheers!

Steve
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right Rainer !
I agree
luca

www.unguitar.com

Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:

>Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go directly into overdub
>after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward from the
>functionality of the original unit".
>
>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] 
>Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
>An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces.... 
>
>
>I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave the magic wand of 
>debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to recoup?  And yeah, 
>it's probably made in China now to lower manufacturing costs.
>
>After filtering marketing speak, their description of the new version 
>sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and put a pretty 
>faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true, but I'm not 
>expecting a big jump forward from the functionality of the original 
>unit.
>
>
>On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM, 
>Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:
>
>  
>
>>From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
>>Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
>>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money manufacturing these 
>>>things and selling them for $300-400 how are they going to make any 
>>>money selling them this time around?
>>>      
>>>
>>Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced manufacturing cost on
>>them? One would hope that they've tackled the little problem of making
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>a profit...
>>Jon
>>    
>>
>
>
>.
>
>  
>

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>>>> All this talk about the Boss Octave pedal reminded me that I'd like  
>>>> to
the Roland V bass system does this and a lot of other stuff.
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp? 
CatID=6&SubCatID=0&ProdID=V-Bass

Gunnar Backman
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<excerpt><excerpt><excerpt><excerpt>All this talk about the Boss
Octave pedal reminded me that I'd like to

</excerpt></excerpt></excerpt></excerpt>the Roland V bass system does
this and a lot of other stuff.

http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?CatID=6&SubCatID=0&ProdID=V-Bass


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Hi kids!  REMEMBER ME?

Exciting day in the world of looping, no?  Even if
you're a hardcore Echoplex fan, it sure doesn't hurt
to have another unit available as competition.

It is vague though.  It would be a beautiful thing if
they get these enhancements via software only and made
it available to current Repeater owners.  Hell, I'd
pay for a Repeater OS upgrade.  However, they may have
had to upgrade the hardware to eek out better
performance.  Probably not something upgradeable at
all, which is sad, but also exciting because we'd
ultimately have a new kick ass looper available to us.
 Either way, I'm there for the upgrade, even though my
Repeater has served me well for many years.

Mark
--- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:

> >>New features include - More expressive loop
> creation and control, better support for both
> ambient and beat-driven looping, enhanced front
> panel control and enriched MIDI implementation to
> name a few ...more details to come. <<
> 
> 
> is it just me, or is that a tad vague? :-)
> 
> duncan (2 mk1's & two 32" jam-mans)
> 
> 
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Hm, I could be wrong, but with the Repeater some blank
space is put before and after each loop so that you
can go back and tweak your loop in and out point. 
This takes time and is what currently makes it
impossible to go directly into record.  I'd easily
lose the loop tweak functions as I find the LPA (loop
point assist) stretching function to work fine for me.
 All this speculation!  Exciting times though.

Mark

--- Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:

> right Rainer !
> I agree
> luca
> 
> www.unguitar.com
> 
> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
> 
> >Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go
> directly into overdub
> >after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward
> from the
> >functionality of the original unit".
> >
> >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
> 
> >Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
> >An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces.... 
> >
> >
> >I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave
> the magic wand of 
> >debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to
> recoup?  And yeah, 
> >it's probably made in China now to lower
> manufacturing costs.
> >
> >After filtering marketing speak, their description
> of the new version 
> >sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and
> put a pretty 
> >faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true,
> but I'm not 
> >expecting a big jump forward from the functionality
> of the original 
> >unit.
> >
> >
> >On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM, 
> >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
> >>Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
> >>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> >>Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money
> manufacturing these 
> >>>things and selling them for $300-400 how are they
> going to make any 
> >>>money selling them this time around?
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced
> manufacturing cost on
> >>them? One would hope that they've tackled the
> little problem of making
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >  
> >
> >>a profit...
> >>Jon
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >
> >.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 

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Hey loopfans...

For christmas I bought myself a Roland Handsonic.  I
*love* it and have been having great times looping
with it.  One problem I'm having is that no matter
what I sent the roll sync to, it doesn't seem to
listen to my MIDI clock.  EVERYTHING else I have seems
to sync to the MIDI clock just fine.  Is there a trick
I'm missing?

Mark

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And for that matter, the octave down on the G2 is servicable.
I'd still like to examine the POG tho--is $400 too much for a REALLY good
octave shifter?
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] 
<snip>
The MPX-G2 does this really really well. I've got a few octave up settings
that I love. From screaming lead sounds to a more Metheny-esque jazz-guitar
tone. no munchkin-noises for me. :o) There are a few tracks on my latest
album, 'Grace And Gratitude' that use this sound.


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So far that's a small but respectable group of us.

Kim Flint -- kflint@loopers-delight.com
Richard Zvonar -- zvonar@zvonar.com
Steve Lawson -- steve@steve-lawson.co.uk
Mark Smart -- mwsmart@insightbb.com
Tom Griesgraber -- tom@thossounds.com
Ted Killian -- ArsOcarina@aol.com

Any others?   Not exactly a quorum but perhaps sufficient=20
for a good lunch gathering. I'll be in Anaheim from Wednesday=20
night through Sunday morning. My cell # is 541-890-6225
if anyone wants to coordinate a meet up.

My wife and I just got out NAMM badges in the mail today
along with those for a few friends. But there seems to be=20
a new deal for show admittance this time 'round. They don't=20
mail out the color-coded plastic holders with the paper part=20
of the name tags anymore. You gotta stand in line and show=20
ID to get the plastic holder before you can get in this year.
Sheesh! Oh well . . .

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Gen=
eva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">So far that's a small but respectable g=
roup of us.<BR>
<BR>
Kim Flint -- kflint@loopers-delight.com<BR>
Richard Zvonar -- zvonar@zvonar.com<BR>
Steve Lawson -- </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Lucida Grande" LANG=
=3D"0" SIZE=3D"3">steve@steve-lawson.co.uk</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FAC=
E=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
2">Mark Smart -- mwsmart@insightbb.com<BR>
Tom Griesgraber -- tom@thossounds.com<BR>
Ted Killian -- ArsOcarina@aol.com<BR>
<BR>
Any others?&nbsp;  Not exactly a quorum but perhaps sufficient <BR>
for a good lunch gathering. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" F=
AMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">I'll be in Anaheim from Wednesday <BR>
night through Sunday morning. My cell # is 541-890-6225<BR>
if anyone wants to coordinate a meet up.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=
=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
<BR>
My wife and I just got out NAMM badges in the mail today<BR>
along with those for a few friends. But there seems to be <BR>
a new deal for show admittance this time 'round. They don't <BR>
mail out the color-coded plastic holders with the paper part <BR>
of the name tags anymore. You gotta stand in line and show <BR>
ID to get the plastic holder before you can get in this year.<BR>
Sheesh! Oh well . . .<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
2"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Helvetica" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=
=3D"2">Best regards,<BR>
<BR>
tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR>
<BR>
"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR>
<BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
<BR>
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR>
<BR>
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."</FONT><=
FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
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oh...I thought I had responded to this!
Yes, I too will be there ...once again this year for Godin...at least Friday 
and likely fri and sat.
I will be up in the Godin "suite" for much of the time...and prowling the 
floor.  Will try to hook up with as many of you as I can (for sure Steve and 
Ted!)
If you are interested my cell is 661-803-0295

Max


>
>So far that's a small but respectable group of us.
>
>Kim Flint -- kflint@loopers-delight.com
>Richard Zvonar -- zvonar@zvonar.com
>Steve Lawson -- steve@steve-lawson.co.uk
>Mark Smart -- mwsmart@insightbb.com
>Tom Griesgraber -- tom@thossounds.com
>Ted Killian -- ArsOcarina@aol.com
>
>Any others?   Not exactly a quorum but perhaps sufficient
>for a good lunch gathering. I'll be in Anaheim from Wednesday
>night through Sunday morning. My cell # is 541-890-6225
>if anyone wants to coordinate a meet up.

>Best regards,
>
>tEd ź kiLLiAn
>

>


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At 10:08 AM 1/14/2005, jondrums wrote:
>>always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money manufacturing these
>>things and selling them for $300-400 how are they going to make any
>>money selling them this time around?
>
>Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced manufacturing cost on 
>them? One would hope that they've tackled the little problem of making a 
>profit...

As far as I know, they were made in China to begin with. (which is not 
always a good idea with such a small volume product.) The sticker on the 
bottom of my repeater says "made in china".

kim


______________________________________________________________________
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kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com 

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Steve,

In a message dated 01/15/05 10:06:49, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:

> There are a few tracks on my latest
> album, 'Grace And Gratitude' that use this sound.
>=20
Remember to bring me a copy of that. I'll buy it.
Everything I've gotten from you is amazing.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Ari=
al" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Steve,<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 01/15/05 10:06:49, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE CITE STYLE=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;=20=
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px" TYPE=3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0=
000FF" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">There are a few tracks=
 on my latest<BR>
album, 'Grace And Gratitude' that use this sound.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000=
00" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSER=
IF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
Remember to bring me a copy of that. I'll buy it.<BR>
Everything I've gotten from you is amazing.<BR>
<BR>
Best regards,<BR>
<BR>
tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR>
<BR>
"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR>
<BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
<BR>
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR>
<BR>
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
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Great Max!

That makes 2 of us who've posted a cell # so an LD get together might happen=
.
I've already programmed it into my cell phone. I'll be calling you sometime=20
next week.

Kim Flint -- kflint@loopers-delight.com
Richard Zvonar -- zvonar@zvonar.com
Steve Lawson -- steve@steve-lawson.co.uk
Mark Smart -- mwsmart@insightbb.com
Tom Griesgraber -- tom@thossounds.com
Ted Killian -- ArsOcarina@aol.com -- 541-890-6225
Max Valentino -- ekstasis1@hotmail.com -- 661-803-0295





Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Gen=
eva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Great Max!<BR>
<BR>
That makes 2 of us who've posted a cell # so an LD get together might happen=
.<BR>
I've already programmed it into my cell phone. I'll be calling you sometime=20=
<BR>
next week.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2=
"><B>Kim Flint</B></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SA=
NSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"> -- kflint@loopers-delight.com<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2=
"><B>Richard Zvonar</B></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"> -- zvonar@zvonar.com<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2=
"><B>Steve Lawson</B></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=
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AMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"3"> steve@steve-lawson.co.uk</FONT><FONT COLOR=
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"><B>Mark Smart</B></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"S=
ANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"> -- mwsmart@insightbb.com<BR>
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"><B>Tom Griesgraber</B></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=
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http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
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RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR>
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 I ( and probably Bill) will be down by early afternoon on Saturday and will 
be there all day Sunday.

Would you guys be up for a late

ANNUAL LOOPERS LUNCH AT NAMM?

say  Saturday at 2 p.m.?

I propose we meet at the Sennheisser/True Systems booth and decide where to 
eat there.

Sound like a plan?


yours,  Rick Walker



"So far that's a small but respectable group of us.

Kim Flint -- kflint@loopers-delight.com
Richard Zvonar -- zvonar@zvonar.com
Steve Lawson -- steve@steve-lawson.co.uk
Mark Smart -- mwsmart@insightbb.com
Tom Griesgraber -- tom@thossounds.com
Ted Killian -- ArsOcarina@aol.com

Any others?  Not exactly a quorum but perhaps sufficient
for a good lunch gathering. I'll be in Anaheim from Wednesday
night through Sunday morning. My cell # is 541-890-6225
if anyone wants to coordinate a meet up." 

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The POGs are starting to go for much less.  I just bought one to try out 
for $230 shipped from a Harmony-Central forum user.  eBay should be 
doing something similar.

I like the clips I've heard.  We'll see how it goes.  I will report back 
to the group.

Doug

Gary Lehmann wrote:

>And for that matter, the octave down on the G2 is servicable.
>I'd still like to examine the POG tho--is $400 too much for a REALLY good
>octave shifter?
>Gary
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] 
><snip>
>The MPX-G2 does this really really well. I've got a few octave up settings
>that I love. From screaming lead sounds to a more Metheny-esque jazz-guitar
>tone. no munchkin-noises for me. :o) There are a few tracks on my latest
>album, 'Grace And Gratitude' that use this sound.
>
>
>
>  
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I was pleased today to read Mark Sottilaro's post about the 
re release of the Repeater.

I really missed Mark's insightful and occasionally inciteful posts at L.D.

Welcome back, bro.  I look forward to hearing your thoughts on things.

Rick

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-->  Sure enough . . .
Here is a unit on eBay for $330 and there is a link to an Electro Harmonix
demo recorded at Summer NAMM.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] 

The POGs are starting to go for much less.  I just bought one to try out for
$230 shipped from a Harmony-Central forum user.  eBay should be doing
something similar.

I like the clips I've heard.  We'll see how it goes.  I will report back to
the group.

Doug

Gary Lehmann wrote:

>And for that matter, the octave down on the G2 is servicable.
>I'd still like to examine the POG tho--is $400 too much for a REALLY 
>good octave shifter?
>Gary


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http://trio.harmony-central.com/ramgen/SNAMM04/EH-Pedals.rm
Is the demo--
POG starts about 8 minutes into it, but is also featured in the 16 sec demo
at the top of the clip.
Gary 

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-->  Sure enough . . .
Here is a unit on eBay for $330 and there is a link to an Electro Harmonix
demo recorded at Summer NAMM.
Gary



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Hey Guys-

Looper's Delight and Ableton are having a raffle, and it's almost over! 
Don't miss out on your chance to enter and win a copy of Live 4. The raffle 
ends this Thursday!

Each dollar donated to Looper's Delight gets one raffle entry. The winner 
will get a brand new copy of Ableton Live 4! The deadline to enter is 
January 20, 2005 and you can enter as often as you like. We will hold the 
drawing and announce the winner at the Winter NAMM show in January.

To get more info and enter the raffle, go to:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/donate.html

Big thanks to Ableton for donating the copy of Live 4 to make this 
possible! If you somehow don't know about Ableton Live, check it out at the 
Ableton site:
http://www.ableton.com

Thanks!
kim




______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com 

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Seems like the right time for me to jump back into looping with full
steam.
Repeaters back HURRAH! couldn't get one in England secondhand for under
Ł700. This should hopefully allow me to buy one new really soon.
And Augustas AU in my Logic environment these are good times to be a
looper.

The repeater mark2 I have been told from Electrix will be seen in....

" I don't think you will have a problem getting your
hands on one of the first Repeater MK2's as soon as they come off the
assembly line in a few months!"

A few months thats great news as far as I am concerned.

I have always found one track looping frustrating now at last i will be
able to get my hands on a multitrack looper and be able to work how I
have always wanted.

I had almost given up on my hardware looping dream and now to see its
gonna happen I think I am in heaven. Fully behind Electrix return.
Geoff Smith






Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote on 15.01.2005, 19:28:56:
> right Rainer !
> I agree
> luca
> 
> www.unguitar.com
> 
> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
> 
> >Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go directly into overdub
> >after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward from the
> >functionality of the original unit".
> >
> >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] 
> >Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
> >An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces.... 
> >
> >
> >I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave the magic wand of 
> >debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to recoup?  And yeah, 
> >it's probably made in China now to lower manufacturing costs.
> >
> >After filtering marketing speak, their description of the new version 
> >sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and put a pretty 
> >faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true, but I'm not 
> >expecting a big jump forward from the functionality of the original 
> >unit.
> >
> >
> >On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM, 
> >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>From: "jondrums" 
> >>Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
> >>To: 
> >>Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money manufacturing these 
> >>>things and selling them for $300-400 how are they going to make any 
> >>>money selling them this time around?
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced manufacturing cost on
> >>them? One would hope that they've tackled the little problem of making
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >  
> >
> >>a profit...
> >>Jon
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >
> >.
> >
> >  
> >

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If you can't wait till Wednesdays for a dose of electronic and
experimental medication - tune in to Feedback Monitor on
Tuesday nights from 10-midnight as host DJ Greg Clow plays
all the newest grooves, ambience & strangeness. (This Tues.
January 18th, AKUMU will be performing live.) It's available
on CIUT 89.5FM in Toronto & http://www.ciut.fm on the net.
http://www.feedbackmonitor.com also has a totally up-to-date
live events listings, CD reviews and interviews which include
many PiNG performers. Definitely a site to "bookmark".

Greg's Tuesday night show was a primary reason for moving
the PiNG to Wednesday nights - so check it out and hear
what's new in the worlds of electronic music. ~ Scott M2
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Every Wednesday Night @ THE TEQUiLA LOUNGE
http://www.tequilalounge.ca - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor
(directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto
Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan
map - http://www.theambientping.com/maps/tequila.gif
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Wednesday January 19th - Faceless Forces of Bigness

The Faceless Forces of Bigness is an experimental audio/video
collective focused on exploring the musical and visual narrative
possibilities of improvisation in a random generative environment.
Combining instrumentless sound creation, modular synthesizers,
electronic filtering, feedback and video projection, each member
performs by shepherding the sound and video through an organic
and often unpredictable series of parameters. The result is a
show that is always a surprise for both performers and audience.

Between Sets CD - "Live @ The PiNG" by Wally Jericho
Experience both "deja vu" and "presque vu", as we spin this live
recording of Wally Jericho at the PiNG from June 15th, 2004.
http://www.wallyjericho.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming Wednesday January 26th - Wally Jericho with SPROG
http://www.wallyjericho.com   http://www.ambient-tv.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

||:IN THE LOOP:|| "Temperatures Rising: ARC with Pholde + ltp"

January 12, 2005 saw THE AMBiENT PiNG host an evening of
electronic rock-oriented experimentation at the Tequila Lounge.
Hamilton-based trio *low frequency pilot* opened the night with
guitar, drums, electronics and treatments. The guitar-dominated
first set riffed from intense grooves to spaced-out airwaves,
setting the tone for an exciting evening.

As PiNG-goers continued to come in from the rain, ARC and
Pholde (Alan Bloor, aka Knurl) took to the stage, treating the
crowd to a superb second set of improvised soundscapes.
The set began with the tribalesque rhythms of Rich Baker &
Christopher Kukiel on hand drums. Aiden Baker, well-known
for his innovative guitar-playing & loops, joined the percussionists
along with Pholde. Building in intensity, the music was raw and
intriguing, much like the metal sculpture created by Pholde
for the show. While the atmospherics were at times chaotic,
the performance was never less than compelling: there was
always a sense that something was happening in this
soundscape, something definitely not to be missed.

PiNG regulars echoed the evening's great vibe with an
enthusiastic response to TAP's new digs. Impressed by the
vibrancy of the neighborhood, regulars commented on the
new venue's potential for attracting a stronger PiNG following.
Based on the sonic adventures of this past week, their
predictions seem prescient rather than optimistic.

More info:  http://fade.to/arc     http://www.pholde.com
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/lowfrequencypilot.htm

||: IN THE LOOP :||  by Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews

"Cytostatic" by Knurl 

With the release of the latest disc "Cytostatic", Alan Bloor
of Knurl continues his efforts to forge and shape the sounds
of manipulated metal into new sonic environments ripe for
exploration. Using unique sculptured instruments of his
own design, Bloor coaxes out sounds and rhythms which
he processes and effects to create odes to the abrasive
wonders of machinery and automation. Upon first listen one
might mistakenly think the works created were random and
haphazard sound with little or no defining shape. But more
careful consideration reveals a motion and structure to pieces
that suggest truths and mysteries contained within the metal.
Truths that are desperate to be released and heard.
Truths that Bloor wants to share with us...

While some of the work contained herein is quite challenging
to the casual listener, those that take the time to explore
further will be rewarded for their efforts. "Cytostatic" is a
release of great depth and substance and is well worth
the effort to dig deeper.

rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com

http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things

Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting
live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and
experimental music artists plus performers from across the
continent, every Wednesday evening at The Tequila Lounge,
794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested
in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances



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Hell, I'm probably never going to go, but I've been spammed for cell =
phone rentals a number of times by a company that appears to know the LD =
list.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:40 PM
  Subject: Re: Nearly NAMM time again


  Great Max!

  That makes 2 of us who've posted a cell # so an LD get together might =
happen.
  I've already programmed it into my cell phone. I'll be calling you =
sometime=20
  next week.

  Kim Flint -- kflint@loopers-delight.com
  Richard Zvonar -- zvonar@zvonar.com
  Steve Lawson -- steve@steve-lawson.co.uk
  Mark Smart -- mwsmart@insightbb.com
  Tom Griesgraber -- tom@thossounds.com
  Ted Killian -- ArsOcarina@aol.com -- 541-890-6225
  Max Valentino -- ekstasis1@hotmail.com -- 661-803-0295





  Best regards,

  tEd =AE kiLLiAn

  "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

  http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
  http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
  http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
  http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
  http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
  http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
  http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

  Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
  BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
  AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
  RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
  and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

  "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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again</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT face=3DGeneva =
color=3D#000000=20
  size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Great Max!<BR><BR>That makes 2 of us =
who've posted a=20
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it into=20
  my cell phone. I'll be calling you sometime <BR>next =
week.<BR><BR></FONT><FONT=20
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"> --=20
  <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com">kflint@loopers-delight.com</A>=
<BR></FONT><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><B>Richard=20
  Zvonar</B></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"> --=20
  <A =
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  Lawson</B></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">=20
  --</FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"> <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk">steve@steve-lawson.co.uk</A></FO=
NT><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 =
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Smart</B></FONT><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"> -- <A=20
  =
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  =
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  Killian</B></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 =
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  ArsOcarina@aol.com -- </FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 =
size=3D2=20
  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><B>541-890-6225</B></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
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  size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#000000 size=3D2=20
  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><B>Max Valentino</B></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#000000=20
  size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"> -- ekstasis1@hotmail.com -- =
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  face=3DGeneva color=3D#000000 size=3D2=20
  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DHelvetica =
color=3D#000000=20
  size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Best regards,<BR><BR>tEd =AE =
kiLLiAn<BR><BR>"Different=20
  is not always better, but better is always=20
  =
different"<BR><BR>http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>http://www.CDbaby.=
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M_17314<BR>http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1=
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iTunes,<BR>BuyMusic,=20
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Lindows,=20
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hi loopers-delight.

I am new with this list and I have a couple of questions....

since when I tried lots of time ago a Klein electric guitar I had the desire 
to get one....well I need your opinions and suggests....Klein is defibnetly 
an amazing guitar but for my wallet is a little bit xpensive....I am 
thinking to make me build the body and neck (and then buy a steinberger 
bridge) as a copy of Klein

I live in Italy and I dont know anyone who has a Klein (so to copy the size 
of the body) so I was thinking to order this from Warmoth (they use good 
woods, and they probably could do it) but I would like to know from you if 
anyone tried to do something like that....and wht kind of results they get

I remember that Ed Roman some yrs ago have in stock some Klein "replacement" 
body (although I read on the web Ed douesnt have a good feedback....so 
probably Warmoth could be a good comprimise)

anyway if anyone's got any suggests of ny kind would be great and much 
appreciated....

thanks to all
mrco


ps: maybe this is marketing but why is so hard to find a Klein electric 
guitar?!? used or new....


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I'd certainly like to join in.

--On Saturday, January 15, 2005 4:40 PM -0800 "loop.pool" 
<looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

>  I ( and probably Bill) will be down by early afternoon on Saturday and
> will be there all day Sunday.
>
> Would you guys be up for a late
>
> ANNUAL LOOPERS LUNCH AT NAMM?
>
> say  Saturday at 2 p.m.?
>
> I propose we meet at the Sennheisser/True Systems booth and decide where
> to eat there.
>
> Sound like a plan?
>
>
> yours,  Rick Walker
>
>
>
> "So far that's a small but respectable group of us.
>
> Kim Flint -- kflint@loopers-delight.com
> Richard Zvonar -- zvonar@zvonar.com
> Steve Lawson -- steve@steve-lawson.co.uk
> Mark Smart -- mwsmart@insightbb.com
> Tom Griesgraber -- tom@thossounds.com
> Ted Killian -- ArsOcarina@aol.com
>
> Any others?  Not exactly a quorum but perhaps sufficient
> for a good lunch gathering. I'll be in Anaheim from Wednesday
> night through Sunday morning. My cell # is 541-890-6225
> if anyone wants to coordinate a meet up."





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Expect another looper on the market in a couple of months.  Development is 
going well and I expect to have a prototype completed in about a month.

--On Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:57 AM -0800 mark sottilaro 
<marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Hm, I could be wrong, but with the Repeater some blank
> space is put before and after each loop so that you
> can go back and tweak your loop in and out point.
> This takes time and is what currently makes it
> impossible to go directly into record.  I'd easily
> lose the loop tweak functions as I find the LPA (loop
> point assist) stretching function to work fine for me.
>  All this speculation!  Exciting times though.
>
> Mark
>
> --- Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:
>
>> right Rainer !
>> I agree
>> luca
>>
>> www.unguitar.com
>>
>> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>>
>> > Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go
>> directly into overdub
>> > after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward
>> from the
>> > functionality of the original unit".
>> >
>> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> > Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
>>
>> > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
>> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> > Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces....
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave
>> the magic wand of
>> > debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to
>> recoup?  And yeah,
>> > it's probably made in China now to lower
>> manufacturing costs.
>> >
>> > After filtering marketing speak, their description
>> of the new version
>> > sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and
>> put a pretty
>> > faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true,
>> but I'm not
>> > expecting a big jump forward from the functionality
>> of the original
>> > unit.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM,
>> > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
>> >> Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
>> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money
>> manufacturing these
>> >>> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they
>> going to make any
>> >>> money selling them this time around?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced
>> manufacturing cost on
>> >> them? One would hope that they've tackled the
>> little problem of making
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> a profit...
>> >> Jon
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>





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Bob -

Are there any further details you feel comfortable disclosing at this time?

David

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Expect another looper on the market in a couple of months.  Development is
> going well and I expect to have a prototype completed in about a month.
>
> --On Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:57 AM -0800 mark sottilaro
> <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Hm, I could be wrong, but with the Repeater some blank
> > space is put before and after each loop so that you
> > can go back and tweak your loop in and out point.
> > This takes time and is what currently makes it
> > impossible to go directly into record.  I'd easily
> > lose the loop tweak functions as I find the LPA (loop
> > point assist) stretching function to work fine for me.
> >  All this speculation!  Exciting times though.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --- Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:
> >
> >> right Rainer !
> >> I agree
> >> luca
> >>
> >> www.unguitar.com
> >>
> >> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
> >>
> >> > Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go
> >> directly into overdub
> >> > after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward
> >> from the
> >> > functionality of the original unit".
> >> >
> >> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> > Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
> >>
> >> > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
> >> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> > Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave
> >> the magic wand of
> >> > debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to
> >> recoup?  And yeah,
> >> > it's probably made in China now to lower
> >> manufacturing costs.
> >> >
> >> > After filtering marketing speak, their description
> >> of the new version
> >> > sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and
> >> put a pretty
> >> > faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true,
> >> but I'm not
> >> > expecting a big jump forward from the functionality
> >> of the original
> >> > unit.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM,
> >> > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
> >> >> Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
> >> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> >> >> Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money
> >> manufacturing these
> >> >>> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they
> >> going to make any
> >> >>> money selling them this time around?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >> Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced
> >> manufacturing cost on
> >> >> them? One would hope that they've tackled the
> >> little problem of making
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> a profit...
> >> >> Jon
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > .
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>

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I can say very little at this time, but I will say that it will fit in a 1U 
rack space and will be built on current technology.  There will be 
non-volatile storage for loops and stereo input and output.  There are 
other features that I prefer not to disclose at this time, but I will as 
soon as the first prototype is completed.

Probably the biggest selling point is that this looper will not be at the 
mercy of a large corporation.  My goal will be to provide software upgrades 
on a regular basis.  The upgrades will be based on the direct requests of 
the users of this device.  Software upgrades will be available for download 
over the Internet.  This will allow me to offer the latest and greatest 
software to all users of this product.

That's all I care to say for now.  Back to work on the prototype unit.

--On Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:01 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer 
<vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:

> Bob -
>
> Are there any further details you feel comfortable disclosing at this
> time?
>
> David
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Amstadt" <bob@amstadt.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:41 PM
> Subject: Re: AW: Electrix Announces....
>
>
>> Expect another looper on the market in a couple of months.  Development
>> is going well and I expect to have a prototype completed in about a
>> month.
>>
>> --On Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:57 AM -0800 mark sottilaro
>> <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Hm, I could be wrong, but with the Repeater some blank
>> > space is put before and after each loop so that you
>> > can go back and tweak your loop in and out point.
>> > This takes time and is what currently makes it
>> > impossible to go directly into record.  I'd easily
>> > lose the loop tweak functions as I find the LPA (loop
>> > point assist) stretching function to work fine for me.
>> >  All this speculation!  Exciting times though.
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > --- Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> right Rainer !
>> >> I agree
>> >> luca
>> >>
>> >> www.unguitar.com
>> >>
>> >> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go
>> >> directly into overdub
>> >> > after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward
>> >> from the
>> >> > functionality of the original unit".
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> >> > Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
>> >>
>> >> > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
>> >> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> >> > Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces....
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave
>> >> the magic wand of
>> >> > debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to
>> >> recoup?  And yeah,
>> >> > it's probably made in China now to lower
>> >> manufacturing costs.
>> >> >
>> >> > After filtering marketing speak, their description
>> >> of the new version
>> >> > sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and
>> >> put a pretty
>> >> > faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true,
>> >> but I'm not
>> >> > expecting a big jump forward from the functionality
>> >> of the original
>> >> > unit.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM,
>> >> > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
>> >> >> Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
>> >> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> >> >> Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money
>> >> manufacturing these
>> >> >>> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they
>> >> going to make any
>> >> >>> money selling them this time around?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced
>> >> manufacturing cost on
>> >> >> them? One would hope that they've tackled the
>> >> little problem of making
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> a profit...
>> >> >> Jon
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > .
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>





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Two shows this weekend, at my favorite Woodinville and Queen Anne 
venues respectively.  As always, there's no cover, no smoking and 
plenty of parking.  Acoustic guitar live looping galore:

Jan. 21, Friday, 8-10PM Flipside Coffeehouse (4216 6th Ave. NW, 
Woodinville)
Jan, 22, Saturday, 8-10PM El Diablo Coffeehouse (1811 Queen Anne Ave N)


Be seeing you,

Travis


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On Jan 15, 2005, at 12:47 PM, mark sottilaro wrote:
> Exciting day in the world of looping, no?  Even if
> you're a hardcore Echoplex fan, it sure doesn't hurt
> to have another unit available as competition.

this is an exciting year PERIOD for music tech for me at least.

we have the return of the Repeater, this new mysterious Boblooper, the 
rackmount Moog V'ger, the V-Synth rackmount, the Korg OASYS, the 
Hammond XK-System, and the new Virus TI line.

of course, Quantegy has closed it's doors ... but i hear ATR is coming 
up with it's own tape formulation and i'm certain that will be a better 
tape than any ever on the market.

---
Eric Williamson
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>> > The new release is an OS upgrade primarily [snip] The great news is that the OS issubstantially improved, and as I've noted here recently, they've been using our wishlist in part to generate the improvements. There's more onboard memory, lots of new things.<
I think we can surmise that we are going to be pleased with the upgrade...<<

forgive me, please, if I seem pedantic, but I still can't see what improvements have been made..... besides the "more onboard-memory" part.... & how is that achieved without futzing with the hardware?

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First of all, thanks for all your imput, everyone!  I tried out the Boss OC-2 this weekend, and determined pretty quickly it wasn't going to work.  Playing the open A string caused a glitch every time, if you let it sustain for more than a couple seconds.  So I moved on to the more expensive PS-5, this seemed to work quite well (assuming you adjust the volume level between playing guitar and bass parts).  Not perfect, but I determined that it would do for now.  I also tried the chili dog, but I determined that it was worth the extra money for the PS-5.  I'm certainly keeping my eyes on the POG and other synth possibilities in the future.
  
Brian Walton

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     Brian,

     I use the Boss PS-5, which has 5 different settings of pitch shift effects, one of them being
a pitch shift up or down by as much as two octaves (2nds, 3rds, 4ths, 5ths, octaves and double
octaves).  It doesn't glitch, doesn't have latency problems, handles chords just fine, and sounds
relatively awesome.  By shifting up an octave or two, you get a pretty decent 12 string kinda
sound, expecially with judicious use of the wet/dry mix knob.  The octave down really does work
well.  It actually gets pretty beefy.  The only downside is that it costs $130 new (if you know
where to look, $150 to $200 if you don't).  The upside is that it's small, has the familiar Boss
DC power in, sounds great on an acoustic guitar, has both mono and stereo out, 5 different
functions including intelligent shifting and detuning, and 4 controller knobs (1 of them
concentric) controlling way more than any pedal in its right mind should really try to do.  For
all that it does it deserves to be the size of an Electrix rack mount.  Huh, now there's an
idea...

         Stephen




<<I have to assume some people on this list use the Boss Octave pedal in their looping setups, to 
achieve "bass guitar" sounds.  To those of you that do....do you like it?  what do you think of
the 
tracking?  I'd like to get the EH Pog, but can't justify nearly $400...>>  (snip)


		
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I'm playing with a friend of mine this Thursday, Jan. 20th at Higher Grounds Coffee House  http://www.highergroundscoffee.com/

It is not going to be a 100% looping gig, but I will be using my EDP, probably in 15-20 minute slots throughout the night, between our more "traditional" singer-songwriter duo kind of sets.  We will also throw in a few songs where I provide the "onemanband" backing to the vocals during the traditional sets.  All this is to say there will be looping, but it won't be for every song.

Brian Walton    

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Hi mrco,

I once had the luxury of trying out a Klein electric for a couple of weeks,
passing it on to a friend of mine and then again being involved in selling
that guitar, in fact, to an LD list member - thus having the chance again to
play it.

We were both very impressed with the instrument's concept, playability and
ergonomics, but both thought that tonewise the Klein lacks a little depth
and "rebound" (early tone buildup), mostly due to the usage of the rather
big Steinberger Tremolo system. Maybe a matter of taste and needs (to whammy
or not to whammy).

In fact, my friend thought about making a copy of the guitar without a
tremolo, but (unfortunately) the Klein is very much buildt around the
tremolo. The Klein is a very well thought out instrument design but should
not be harder to make than any Fender-type guitar.

For what it's worth, I know from tone conscious Strat users that a lot of
them went back to the older, simpler, more lightweight tremolo systems on
their guitars. Dare I say ......"vintage"?

Best, Andreas


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Dixie Dregs! Can't believe they still exist. Years ago I used to record
solos by Steve Morse (esp. "Bloodsucking Leeches" on "Industry Standard",
1982) on grandma's tape recorder where you could replace a flange which
would half the speed...

http://www.xen.com/tales_obit.html says:
I [Andy West] am primarily known for my work as a bassist and founding
member of the band The Dregs a.k.a. The Dixie Dregs. Steve Morse and I
started our first band together when we met in high school. The Dregs were
somewhat of a pioneering instrumental rock fusion group who toured and
recorded a lot in the late 70's and early 80's, with less frequent forays
into the 90's and the present.

Bernhard
http://looop.biz

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]
> Sent: Freitag, 14. Januar 2005 23:14
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Jerry Marotta Tom Griesgraber NAMM and beyond (Was: Nearly NAMM
> time again)
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'll be around NAMM at least Th, Fri, Sat.  I'd love to check out what
> anybody else is doing there loop wise.
>
> As for me... Jerry Marotta and I will be doing some performances for
> Sennheiser/True Systems and I'll be doing a few solo spots at The
> Chapman Stick booth.  We're also doing a number of shows that week and
> beyond along the west ocast. The schedule should be:
>
> NAMM - Th 12pm - Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber - Sennheiser booth
> NAMM - Th 2pm - Tom Griesgraber - Stick Enterprises booth
> NAMM - Th 4pm - Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber - Sennheiser booth
> NAMM - Fri 12pm - Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber - Sennheiser booth
> NAMM - Fri 1:30pm - Tom Griesgraber - Stick Enterprises booth
> NAMM - Fri 3pm - Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber - Sennheiser booth
> NAMM - Sat 12pm - Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber - Sennheiser booth
> NAMM - Sat 4pm - Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber - Sennheiser booth
>
> (and beyond...)
>
> San Diego, CA - Wed Jan 19, 8pm
> California Guitar Trio with Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber
> Dizzy's
> 344 7th Ave, between J and K
> All ages. $20 general admission
>
> San Juan Capistrano, CA - Sat Jan 22, 8pm
> Steve Morse Band/Dixie Dregs with guests Jerry Marotta and Tom
> Griesgraber
> The Coach House
> 33157 Camino Capistrano
> All ages.
> ***** DISCOUNT TICKETS AVAILABLE THROUGH THOSSOUNDS! *****
> To order, visit www.thossounds.com or call 760-942-1031
>
> Eugene, OR - Th Jan 27, 8pm
> Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber
> Cafe Paradiso
> 115 West Broadway
> www.cafeparadiso.com
> $10, 21 and up
> (we'll also be doing an instore appearance at CD World in Eugene 1/27 @
> 5pm)
>
> Portland, OR - Sat Jan 29, 8pm
> Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber
> Mississippi Studios
> 3939 N Mississippi
> www.mississippistudios.com
> 503-288-3895
> $15, 21 and up
> (instore appearance at Music Millenium's NW Portland store, 1/29 @ 3pm)
>
> Ben Lomond (Santa Cruz), CA - Tues Feb 1, 8pm
> Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber
> Henfling's
> 9450 Hwy 9
> 831-336-8811
> $10 adv, $12 door
>
> Berkeley, CA - Wed Feb 2, 8pm
> Jupiter
> 2181 Shattuck Ave
> www.jupiterbeer.com
> 510-the-rock
>
>
> Thanks for reading!  Hope to meet some of you "out there!"
>
>
> Tom Griesgraber
> www.thossounds.com
> 760-942-1031
>

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     There is a Yahoo group devoted to Klein guitars.  Several years ago I visited a website that
detailed exactly what you are trying to do.  He gave complete plans and took many photos of the
process along the way.  I don't have this website memorized, though if you spent a little time
with Google and the Klein Yahoo group, you'd probably find a lot of information.

     Good Luck!

              Stephen



<<since when I tried lots of time ago a Klein electric guitar I had the desire 
to get one....well I need your opinions and suggests....Klein is defibnetly 
an amazing guitar but for my wallet is a little bit xpensive....I am 
thinking to make me build the body and neck (and then buy a steinberger 
bridge) as a copy of Klein)>>


		
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thanks this will help for sure!!!
mrco

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>
>
>      There is a Yahoo group devoted to Klein guitars.  Several years ago I 
>visited a website that
>detailed exactly what you are trying to do.  He gave complete plans and 
>took many photos of the
>process along the way.  I don't have this website memorized, though if you 
>spent a little time
>with Google and the Klein Yahoo group, you'd probably find a lot of 
>information.
>
>      Good Luck!
>
>               Stephen
>
>
>
><<since when I tried lots of time ago a Klein electric guitar I had the 
>desire
>to get one....well I need your opinions and suggests....Klein is defibnetly
>an amazing guitar but for my wallet is a little bit xpensive....I am
>thinking to make me build the body and neck (and then buy a steinberger
>bridge) as a copy of Klein)>>
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     Duncan,

     This one probably slipped past you, I posted it here from the RepeaterUsers list a few weeks
ago.  From Peter Toms: "I've been in good communication with Electrix, and they will be releasing
an OS upgrade for Repeater with something like 25 fixes and new features. The tentative date is
late April. Re-compiling the software compressed the total size of the files and therefore allowed
new code to be added. Whoo-hoo! I'm looking forward to this - they've been using our wishlist for
guidance in their upgrade process."

     Peter (from Condor Electronics) is the main Electrix repair facility here in Seattle.  He's
been in communication with the new Electrix from the get go and will continue to act as one of the
main support facilities.  The new "improvements" will be announced... well I guess whenever
Electrix gets good and ready to announce them.  :)  In conversing with Peter, I can surmise that
some of the simpler fixes (obvious and easy ones) are things like Allowing dry mute to be the
default power-on mode, and Fixing the metronome default volume.  We can only hope that the newer
models will have quieter power supplies, disappear the "tick... tick... tick..." sound, and
address the "bump" in the loop point.

             Stephen

<<forgive me, please, if I seem pedantic, but I still can't see what improvements have been
made..... besides the "more onboard-memory" part.... & how is that achieved without futzing with
the hardware?>>


		
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Hi,

Can you disconnect or UNSUBSCRIBE me as I am getting REALLY snowed
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Bob,

Those are exciting plans!  I'm intrigued.

Do you really think you'll be selling a commercial version of the device 
within a few months?  I'm no expert, but am surprised that you'll be 
able to go from prototype to a finished product that quickly.  Is there 
any forum where we can keep up with your progress, get some hints about 
functionality, and possibly even participate in beta testing?

Dig

Bob Amstadt wrote:

> I can say very little at this time, but I will say that it will fit in 
> a 1U rack space and will be built on current technology.  There will 
> be non-volatile storage for loops and stereo input and output.  There 
> are other features that I prefer not to disclose at this time, but I 
> will as soon as the first prototype is completed.
>
> Probably the biggest selling point is that this looper will not be at 
> the mercy of a large corporation.  My goal will be to provide software 
> upgrades on a regular basis.  The upgrades will be based on the direct 
> requests of the users of this device.  Software upgrades will be 
> available for download over the Internet.  This will allow me to offer 
> the latest and greatest software to all users of this product.
>
> That's all I care to say for now.  Back to work on the prototype unit.
>
> --On Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:01 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer 
> <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Bob -
>>
>> Are there any further details you feel comfortable disclosing at this
>> time?
>>
>> David
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Amstadt" <bob@amstadt.com>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: AW: Electrix Announces....
>>
>>
>>> Expect another looper on the market in a couple of months.  Development
>>> is going well and I expect to have a prototype completed in about a
>>> month.
>>>
>>> --On Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:57 AM -0800 mark sottilaro
>>> <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hm, I could be wrong, but with the Repeater some blank
>>> > space is put before and after each loop so that you
>>> > can go back and tweak your loop in and out point.
>>> > This takes time and is what currently makes it
>>> > impossible to go directly into record.  I'd easily
>>> > lose the loop tweak functions as I find the LPA (loop
>>> > point assist) stretching function to work fine for me.
>>> >  All this speculation!  Exciting times though.
>>> >
>>> > Mark
>>> >
>>> > --- Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> right Rainer !
>>> >> I agree
>>> >> luca
>>> >>
>>> >> www.unguitar.com
>>> >>
>>> >> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go
>>> >> directly into overdub
>>> >> > after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward
>>> >> from the
>>> >> > functionality of the original unit".
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> >> > Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
>>> >>
>>> >> > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
>>> >> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>> >> > Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave
>>> >> the magic wand of
>>> >> > debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to
>>> >> recoup?  And yeah,
>>> >> > it's probably made in China now to lower
>>> >> manufacturing costs.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > After filtering marketing speak, their description
>>> >> of the new version
>>> >> > sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and
>>> >> put a pretty
>>> >> > faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true,
>>> >> but I'm not
>>> >> > expecting a big jump forward from the functionality
>>> >> of the original
>>> >> > unit.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM,
>>> >> > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
>>> >> >> Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
>>> >> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>> >> >> Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money
>>> >> manufacturing these
>>> >> >>> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they
>>> >> going to make any
>>> >> >>> money selling them this time around?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced
>>> >> manufacturing cost on
>>> >> >> them? One would hope that they've tackled the
>>> >> little problem of making
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> a profit...
>>> >> >> Jon
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > .
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Dixie Dregs! Can't believe they still exist. Years ago I used to record
> solos by Steve Morse (esp. "Bloodsucking Leeches" on "Industry 
> Standard",
> 1982) on grandma's tape recorder where you could replace a flange which
> would half the speed...
>

Man I wish I could catch that Dregs show, but I gotta leave LA and go 
work in France next week ;-(  I mixed an album for Steve a little while 
ago. He is amazing and a really cool guy on top of that.

Ronan Chris Murphy
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<excerpt>Dixie Dregs! Can't believe they still exist. Years ago I used
to record

solos by Steve Morse (esp. "Bloodsucking Leeches" on "Industry
Standard",

1982) on grandma's tape recorder where you could replace a flange which

would half the speed...


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Man I wish I could catch that Dregs show, but I gotta leave LA and go
work in France next week ;-(  I mixed an album for Steve a little
while ago. He is amazing and a really cool guy on top of that.


Ronan Chris Murphy

<bold>www.venetowest.com</bold> (Production & mixing: King Crimson,
Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)

<bold>www.homerecordingbootcamp.com</bold> (Workshops around the world
teaching the art and craft of recording )

<bold>www.livesofthesaints.net</bold> (The hottest ambient noise duo
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On Jan 17, 2005, at 17:51, Bernhard Wagner wrote:

> Dixie Dregs! Can't believe they still exist. Years ago I used to record
> solos by Steve Morse (esp. "Bloodsucking Leeches" on "Industry 
> Standard",
> 1982) on grandma's tape recorder where you could replace a flange which
> would half the speed...


I too was chocked and pleased to hear they are still going strong! We 
hired some musicians for touring in the nineties, including a (Swedish) 
guitar player that went a year to GIT. He told me that Steve Morse was 
giving lessons there and the Dregs still giging. By then I had not 
heard anything from that band since reading about Steve Morse in Guitar 
Player magazine in the mid/late seventies. I had ran (back in the 70s) 
to the record shop listening but never got into the Dregs back then. To 
my inexperienced ears they just seemed to play chords and riffs like 
anybody (compared to Hendrix and J. Beck that "played melodies"). 
Anyway, my fellow guitarist in the nineties band told me that Morse was 
just amazing when giving clinics, because he just played the guitar 
(super fast and well) while walking around the class room and talking 
at the same time. No one without a tape recorder could take it all in. 
They had to record Morse's multi mania performance and go home to 
listen for days.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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I've actually done quite a bit of work on this unit.  The prototype that 
I'm talking about will be the first unit built in the rack box.  I have 
several empty rack boxes behind me just waiting for the final electronics.

I will be doing beta testing before shipping to customers.  I'll keep 
everyone informed of progress.

As for details, I'm still keeping the details close to home.  Especially 
now that the Repeater is returning to the market.  I don't think that they 
could change their electronics that fast, but I'd rather not take a chance. 
As soon as I have the first rack unit operational, I will take pictures and 
release a complete list of specifications.  I will say that my goal is to 
offer all the functionality of existing loopers combined with features that 
nobody else has.

--On Monday, January 17, 2005 12:31 PM -0600 Doug Cox <dougcox@pdq.net> 
wrote:

> Bob,
>
> Those are exciting plans!  I'm intrigued.
>
> Do you really think you'll be selling a commercial version of the device
> within a few months?  I'm no expert, but am surprised that you'll be able
> to go from prototype to a finished product that quickly.  Is there any
> forum where we can keep up with your progress, get some hints about
> functionality, and possibly even participate in beta testing?
>
> Dig
>
> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>
>> I can say very little at this time, but I will say that it will fit in
>> a 1U rack space and will be built on current technology.  There will
>> be non-volatile storage for loops and stereo input and output.  There
>> are other features that I prefer not to disclose at this time, but I
>> will as soon as the first prototype is completed.
>>
>> Probably the biggest selling point is that this looper will not be at
>> the mercy of a large corporation.  My goal will be to provide software
>> upgrades on a regular basis.  The upgrades will be based on the direct
>> requests of the users of this device.  Software upgrades will be
>> available for download over the Internet.  This will allow me to offer
>> the latest and greatest software to all users of this product.
>>
>> That's all I care to say for now.  Back to work on the prototype unit.
>>
>> --On Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:01 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer
>> <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob -
>>>
>>> Are there any further details you feel comfortable disclosing at this
>>> time?
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bob Amstadt" <bob@amstadt.com>
>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: AW: Electrix Announces....
>>>
>>>
>>>> Expect another looper on the market in a couple of months.  Development
>>>> is going well and I expect to have a prototype completed in about a
>>>> month.
>>>>
>>>> --On Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:57 AM -0800 mark sottilaro
>>>> <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hm, I could be wrong, but with the Repeater some blank
>>>> > space is put before and after each loop so that you
>>>> > can go back and tweak your loop in and out point.
>>>> > This takes time and is what currently makes it
>>>> > impossible to go directly into record.  I'd easily
>>>> > lose the loop tweak functions as I find the LPA (loop
>>>> > point assist) stretching function to work fine for me.
>>>> >  All this speculation!  Exciting times though.
>>>> >
>>>> > Mark
>>>> >
>>>> > --- Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> right Rainer !
>>>> >> I agree
>>>> >> luca
>>>> >>
>>>> >> www.unguitar.com
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go
>>>> >> directly into overdub
>>>> >> > after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward
>>>> >> from the
>>>> >> > functionality of the original unit".
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> >> > Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
>>>> >> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>> >> > Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave
>>>> >> the magic wand of
>>>> >> > debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to
>>>> >> recoup?  And yeah,
>>>> >> > it's probably made in China now to lower
>>>> >> manufacturing costs.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > After filtering marketing speak, their description
>>>> >> of the new version
>>>> >> > sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and
>>>> >> put a pretty
>>>> >> > faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true,
>>>> >> but I'm not
>>>> >> > expecting a big jump forward from the functionality
>>>> >> of the original
>>>> >> > unit.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM,
>>>> >> > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
>>>> >> >> Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
>>>> >> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>> >> >> Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money
>>>> >> manufacturing these
>>>> >> >>> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they
>>>> >> going to make any
>>>> >> >>> money selling them this time around?
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced
>>>> >> manufacturing cost on
>>>> >> >> them? One would hope that they've tackled the
>>>> >> little problem of making
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> a profit...
>>>> >> >> Jon
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > .
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>





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>>Duncan,
This one probably slipped past you, I posted it here from the RepeaterUsers list a few weeks ago. [snip] Re-compiling the software compressed the total size of the files and therefore allowed new code to be added. [snip] I can surmise that some of the simpler fixes (obvious and easy ones) are things like Allowing dry mute to be the default power-on mode, and Fixing the metronome default volume.<<

as my ladyfriend would say, "domo!" must've missed that.... 
hope they really do fix the noise properly & make the dry-mute stay put.

d.


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;Duncan,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>This one probably slipped past you, I posted it here fro=
m the RepeaterUsers list a few weeks ago. [snip] Re-compiling the software =
compressed the total size of the files and therefore allowed new code to be=
 added. [snip] I can surmise that some of the simpler fixes (obvious and ea=
sy ones) are things like Allowing dry mute to be the default power-on mode,=
 and Fixing the metronome default volume.&lt;&lt;</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>as my ladyfriend would say, &quot;domo!&quot; must've mis=
sed that.... </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>hope they really do fix the noise properly &amp; make th=
e dry-mute stay put.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>d.</FONT>
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Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] wrote:
Anyway, my fellow guitarist in the nineties band told me that Morse was just
amazing when giving clinics, because he just played the guitar (super fast
and well) while walking around the class room and talking at the same time.
No one without a tape recorder could take it all in. 
They had to record Morse's multi mania performance and go home to listen for
days.

--->  I attended one of these clinics--
Morse was using a Lexicon to loop (in the 80s!) so some of the talking was
no doubt over "Morse code"--
G


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That might have been listmember Jason Fink, who's also
the guy who had those LD t-shirts printed up.

There's also a Yahoo group for DIY instrument makers
who don't want pret-a-porter; we're the Eccentric
Luthiery Support Group. (The aforementioned Mr. Fink
is a member.) At least three of us in the group have
built instruments which 'borrowed' from the Klein
design. You can see photos and peruse the message
thread archives by joining at
<http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/EccentricLuthierySupportGroup/>

-t-
 
--- S V G <vsyevolod@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
>      There is a Yahoo group devoted to Klein
> guitars.  Several years ago I visited a website that
> detailed exactly what you are trying to do.  He gave
> complete plans and took many photos of the
> process along the way.  I don't have this website
> memorized, though if you spent a little time
> with Google and the Klein Yahoo group, you'd
> probably find a lot of information.
> 
>      Good Luck!
> 
>               Stephen
> 
> 
> 
> <<since when I tried lots of time ago a Klein
> electric guitar I had the desire 
> to get one....well I need your opinions and
> suggests....Klein is defibnetly 
> an amazing guitar but for my wallet is a little bit
> xpensive....I am 
> thinking to make me build the body and neck (and
> then buy a steinberger 
> bridge) as a copy of Klein)>>
> 
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Dear Bob,

I think I love you.  Please save me!

Dig

Bob Amstadt wrote:

> I've actually done quite a bit of work on this unit.  The prototype 
> that I'm talking about will be the first unit built in the rack box.  
> I have several empty rack boxes behind me just waiting for the final 
> electronics.
>
> I will be doing beta testing before shipping to customers.  I'll keep 
> everyone informed of progress.
>
> As for details, I'm still keeping the details close to home.  
> Especially now that the Repeater is returning to the market.  I don't 
> think that they could change their electronics that fast, but I'd 
> rather not take a chance. As soon as I have the first rack unit 
> operational, I will take pictures and release a complete list of 
> specifications.  I will say that my goal is to offer all the 
> functionality of existing loopers combined with features that nobody 
> else has.
>
> --On Monday, January 17, 2005 12:31 PM -0600 Doug Cox 
> <dougcox@pdq.net> wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> Those are exciting plans!  I'm intrigued.
>>
>> Do you really think you'll be selling a commercial version of the device
>> within a few months?  I'm no expert, but am surprised that you'll be 
>> able
>> to go from prototype to a finished product that quickly.  Is there any
>> forum where we can keep up with your progress, get some hints about
>> functionality, and possibly even participate in beta testing?
>>
>> Dig
>>
>> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>>
>>> I can say very little at this time, but I will say that it will fit in
>>> a 1U rack space and will be built on current technology.  There will
>>> be non-volatile storage for loops and stereo input and output.  There
>>> are other features that I prefer not to disclose at this time, but I
>>> will as soon as the first prototype is completed.
>>>
>>> Probably the biggest selling point is that this looper will not be at
>>> the mercy of a large corporation.  My goal will be to provide software
>>> upgrades on a regular basis.  The upgrades will be based on the direct
>>> requests of the users of this device.  Software upgrades will be
>>> available for download over the Internet.  This will allow me to offer
>>> the latest and greatest software to all users of this product.
>>>
>>> That's all I care to say for now.  Back to work on the prototype unit.
>>>
>>> --On Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:01 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer
>>> <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob -
>>>>
>>>> Are there any further details you feel comfortable disclosing at this
>>>> time?
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bob Amstadt" <bob@amstadt.com>
>>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:41 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: AW: Electrix Announces....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Expect another looper on the market in a couple of months.  
>>>>> Development
>>>>> is going well and I expect to have a prototype completed in about a
>>>>> month.
>>>>>
>>>>> --On Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:57 AM -0800 mark sottilaro
>>>>> <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hm, I could be wrong, but with the Repeater some blank
>>>>> > space is put before and after each loop so that you
>>>>> > can go back and tweak your loop in and out point.
>>>>> > This takes time and is what currently makes it
>>>>> > impossible to go directly into record.  I'd easily
>>>>> > lose the loop tweak functions as I find the LPA (loop
>>>>> > point assist) stretching function to work fine for me.
>>>>> >  All this speculation!  Exciting times though.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Mark
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --- Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> right Rainer !
>>>>> >> I agree
>>>>> >> luca
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> www.unguitar.com
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go
>>>>> >> directly into overdub
>>>>> >> > after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward
>>>>> >> from the
>>>>> >> > functionality of the original unit".
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>> >> > Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
>>>>> >> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>>> >> > Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave
>>>>> >> the magic wand of
>>>>> >> > debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to
>>>>> >> recoup?  And yeah,
>>>>> >> > it's probably made in China now to lower
>>>>> >> manufacturing costs.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > After filtering marketing speak, their description
>>>>> >> of the new version
>>>>> >> > sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and
>>>>> >> put a pretty
>>>>> >> > faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true,
>>>>> >> but I'm not
>>>>> >> > expecting a big jump forward from the functionality
>>>>> >> of the original
>>>>> >> > unit.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM,
>>>>> >> > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
>>>>> >> >> Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
>>>>> >> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>> >> >> Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money
>>>>> >> manufacturing these
>>>>> >> >>> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they
>>>>> >> going to make any
>>>>> >> >>> money selling them this time around?
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >> Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced
>>>>> >> manufacturing cost on
>>>>> >> >> them? One would hope that they've tackled the
>>>>> >> little problem of making
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> a profit...
>>>>> >> >> Jon
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > .
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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>
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Hi,

I've just released a new beta version of my looping software, with many 
new performance looping oriented features. I'd warmly invite you all to 
thrash it & find all the bugs ;)

Download from
http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloopbeta.html
(Mac OS X/Audio Unit only)

New features since v1.2.0:
	• 	 Added 'clear loop' function to wipe the tape.
	• 	 Added auto fade-in/out envelope, with override and optional 
auto-clear of loop on fade-out completion.
	• 	 Current loop length now displayed in host's bar/beat units as well 
as seconds.
	• 	 Added auto punch in/out, quantized to loop length (seconds or host 
units) or host transport position.
	• 	 Loop input level can be controlled by punch in/out.
	• 	 Extensive CPU efficiency improvements.
	• 	 Now correctly reports silent output to downstream processing, 
resulting in further efficiency improvements in hosts that support this 
feature.


cheers,
os.

os@collective.co.uk
http://www.collective.co.uk/

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Hi there SF Bay Area loopers

I am playing two sets of Electrix Repeater enhanced cello, this Friday 
January 21st.  The first set will be my usual brand of looped cello, 
the second will be a new work to accompany paintings by Yvette Molina.

Yvette Molina is a painter I met on a plane last year.  We got to 
talking about this and that and she showed me her portfolio. Wow! I was 
really moved and I found myself thinking about the images for weeks 
afterwards. I felt that she expressed something with her painting that 
I was trying to express in music. Just a simple, mist, shrouded 
silhouette of a trumpet vine seemed to whisper something about beauty, 
sorrow and fragility. I can't explain it in words without making it 
trite, I guess that's what art is for! I've included below a short 
description of her work from a recent gallery show.

Jeff Rusch and Okeanos have converted 48 of her paintings to digital 
form and will project them on multiple screens while I play. The goal 
is to create an immersive environment of sight and sound.

Thanks very much. Here are all the pertinent details about Friday:

Zoe Keating: looped cello
Yvette Molina: paintings
Jeff Rusch and Okeanos: projectionists

Friday, January 21st
964 Natoma
(in SOMA btw 10th & 11th streets)
doors at 8:30
music at 9:00

$5 to $10 suggested donation

more about Yvette from a recent exhibition entitled "Unquiet Preserve":
http://www.artnet.com/event/70156/Yvette_Molina_Unquiet_Preserve.html

Yvette Molina brings together a series of meticulously rendered oil 
paintings that are both a celebration of nature and an invitation to 
consider its tenuous existence. For the artist, Unquiet Preserve 
ìrefers to both the act of choosing to document the beautiful elements 
in the natural world and the unsettling reality that paintings and 
photographs are quickly becoming the last preserve of nature...In the 
modern age, to gaze upon the beauty of nature is to bear a shadow of 
sorrow over its passing.î

Inspired by traditional Chinese landscape painting, Molina's work comes 
from detailed observations and recordings of plants, vistas and sky 
experienced in her own backyard in Oakland, California. The artist 
isolates and removes her subjects from the urban elements she chooses 
not to memorialize and paints a single branch or hilly landscape in 
crisp silhouette over an indeterminate space. These are spaces for the 
imagination where glowing moths flit about along with seeds, pods and 
subtle graphic markings.

The works are painted on aluminum panels which reflect light through 
twenty to thirty layers of paint, creating a deep luminosity. Molina's 
restrained, slate-like palette holds the work in a meditative, abstract 
domain where beauty is company to reflection on loss and possibility, 
regret and hope

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Brian - Did you try a whammy pedal yet?


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> First of all, thanks for all your imput, everyone!  I tried out the Boss
OC-2 this weekend, and determined pretty quickly it wasn't going to work.
Playing the open A string caused a glitch every time, if you let it sustain
for more than a couple seconds.  So I moved on to the more expensive PS-5,
this seemed to work quite well (assuming you adjust the volume level between
playing guitar and bass parts).  Not perfect, but I determined that it would
do for now.  I also tried the chili dog, but I determined that it was worth
the extra money for the PS-5.  I'm certainly keeping my eyes on the POG and
other synth possibilities in the future.
>
> Brian Walton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:40 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Boss Octave Pedal
>
>
>
>      Brian,
>
>      I use the Boss PS-5, which has 5 different settings of pitch shift
effects, one of them being
> a pitch shift up or down by as much as two octaves (2nds, 3rds, 4ths,
5ths, octaves and double
> octaves).  It doesn't glitch, doesn't have latency problems, handles
chords just fine, and sounds
> relatively awesome.  By shifting up an octave or two, you get a pretty
decent 12 string kinda
> sound, expecially with judicious use of the wet/dry mix knob.  The octave
down really does work
> well.  It actually gets pretty beefy.  The only downside is that it costs
$130 new (if you know
> where to look, $150 to $200 if you don't).  The upside is that it's small,
has the familiar Boss
> DC power in, sounds great on an acoustic guitar, has both mono and stereo
out, 5 different
> functions including intelligent shifting and detuning, and 4 controller
knobs (1 of them
> concentric) controlling way more than any pedal in its right mind should
really try to do.  For
> all that it does it deserves to be the size of an Electrix rack mount.
Huh, now there's an
> idea...
>
>          Stephen
>
>
>
>
> <<I have to assume some people on this list use the Boss Octave pedal in
their looping setups, to
> achieve "bass guitar" sounds.  To those of you that do....do you like it?
what do you think of
> the
> tracking?  I'd like to get the EH Pog, but can't justify nearly $400...>>
(snip)
>
>
>
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Saturday 2pm at Sennheisser/True Systems booth sounds good to me.
 
Please call if this gets finalized, ok?

My cell # 310 428-4815

Griff Peters
www.griffpeters.com



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 4:40 PM
To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting); AURISIS (Kim Flint); TED KILLIAN; STEVE
LAWSON; mwsmart@insightbb.com; TOM GRIESGRABER; RICHARD ZVONAR; William
Walker
Subject: ANNUAL LOOPERS LUNCH AT NAMM?

 I ( and probably Bill) will be down by early afternoon on Saturday and
will 
be there all day Sunday.

Would you guys be up for a late

ANNUAL LOOPERS LUNCH AT NAMM?

say  Saturday at 2 p.m.?

I propose we meet at the Sennheisser/True Systems booth and decide where
to 
eat there.

Sound like a plan?


yours,  Rick Walker



"So far that's a small but respectable group of us.

Kim Flint -- kflint@loopers-delight.com
Richard Zvonar -- zvonar@zvonar.com
Steve Lawson -- steve@steve-lawson.co.uk
Mark Smart -- mwsmart@insightbb.com
Tom Griesgraber -- tom@thossounds.com
Ted Killian -- ArsOcarina@aol.com

Any others?  Not exactly a quorum but perhaps sufficient
for a good lunch gathering. I'll be in Anaheim from Wednesday
night through Sunday morning. My cell # is 541-890-6225
if anyone wants to coordinate a meet up." 

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Okay, let's make it official.=20

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Saturday at 2 p.m. at the Sennheisser/True Systems booth

Potential attendees and their contact info:

Kim Flint -- kflint@loopers-delight.com
Richard Zvonar -- zvonar@zvonar.com -- 818-621-2204
Steve Lawson -- steve@steve-lawson.co.uk
Mark Smart -- mwsmart@insightbb.com
Max Valentino -- ekstasis1@hotmail.com -- 661-803-0295
Tom Griesgraber -- tom@thossounds.com
Griff Peters -- griff@griffpeters.com -- 310 428-4815
Bob Amstadt -- bob@amstadt.com
Rick Walker -- looppool@cruzio.com
Ted Killian -- ArsOcarina@aol.com -- 541-890-6225

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Best regards,

tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn<BR>
<BR>
"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR>
<BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
<BR>
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
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<BR>
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Hello -

After some time off the list due to a long move I've subscribed again.

Wow! All these posts mentioning new software AND hardware loopers is 
exciting!

Here's link to a few rough snippets of my current guitar looping project 
called lochheed. My gear a combination of older PDS and RDS units 
running into 1970s Sunn 112 Amps.

http://www.lochheed.com

Speaking of RDS units. I have a RDS8000 that has been modded for 20 
seconds of delay. This is one of my spares and I'd like to sell it to 
fund a Fernandes sustainer or a few George L sets  (Asking $150 + 12 for 
US 48 Shipping).

Adam




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"Brian - Did you try a whammy pedal yet?"

I did, but I found a used PS-5 for less than I could get a whammy pedal, and from the little experimentation I did, I think I like the PS-5 a little better for my purposes.  On top of that, it is hard to beat the size of the PS-5, takes up much less floor space (something I seem to be running out of).  I have a friend that has a whammy pedal, so I may do some further experimentation with it.  Do you know if they have had different releases of the whammy?  The one I used seemed to have some trouble with some of the "low" notes(when using 100% effect, down 1 octave).

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Stephen,

before going into any more details, let me state that a) I do not (nor
did I ever) own any of the super-cheap Behringer devices (like the small
UB mixers) and b) I am not a professional musician, which means my gear
(Behringer or not) does neither get the constant use nor the intense
on-the-road abuse which is common for all you professionals out there.

That being said, I had been a content Behringer customer since I first
got the MX2642 shortly after it was released (must've been something
like early '96). Since then, I have acquired a MX2200 Composer, a
DSP2024 Virtualizer, a MX2642A, two patchbays, a PEQ2000 analogue
parametric EQ, a DSP1400P Ultramizer dynamics processor, a DX3216
console complete with ADAT interface, a ADA8000 lightpipe ADA, a
HA4700XL headphone preamp and of course a FCB1010.

I once experienced a major failure - the DDX3216 failed to boot about
three days after I got it. Fortunately, I could get it replaced within
two days and in time for a live performance - no hassles since then.

Apart from that, the devices wear mechanically, and they most probably
do faster than their professional counterparts. Again from my personal
viewpoint, I offer the following calculation: when shopping for a
digital mixer, I might either take (in about the same feature range)
either a Behringer for a price x or a comparable Tascam (or Yamaha, if
you prefer) for a price 3*x. Then, my Behringer might fail after two
years of use, upon which I get the same model for the price 0.7*x,
until, after two more years, getting the follow-up product for price x
but with enhanced features. For me, as a non-professional user, this is
the better bargain.

Sound-quality-wise, there is nothing to complain about the devices which
I use. I heard horror stories about the aforementioned small UB mixers,
both with regard to reliability and sound quality, but this is not true
for my gear. Strange as it sounds, I actually do prefer the micpres of
my MX2642A to my Mackie 1202 (at least for my microphones, which are not
exactly Telefunken- or Schoeps-made).

As for stealing other companies' ideas: true, but basically, that is the
way the world we live in works. If you don't like it, you can always
jump down a high-rise. (warning: don't try this at home!)

Finally, Behringer has really revoluted the music gear market,
especially in their earlier days. I first became aware of Behringer when
they released their first Composer. This was a time when you could
either get a fairly decent compressor (say dbx) for the price of a
bigger DAW of today, or a compressor from a more musician-oriented
company (say Alesis) for the price of an acceptable guitar, which was
crap. Behringer was the first company to build compressors at a price
of, say, a SM58 with mic stand, and exceeding the quality of the Alesis
and competing with the dbx.
The result: the Alesises have dropped in price to the Behringer niveau
and risen in quality, and a dbx can today be had for one and a half
Behringers.

So, even when bashing Behringer, do not cut off the hand which in a way
ensures that you stay able to feed yourself ;-)

Aftermath: I understand it is easy to blame a manufacturer for what he
is doing, even when you are fast to accept the benefits. A small UB
series mixer costs about 10% of a Mackie 1202 (German prices). If you
decide to go for the Behringer instead of the Mackie to allow yourself
to vastly improve your malt whiskey collection, it seems strange to me
to blame Behringer for your drinking problem. If on the other hand you
get a Behringer in roughly the same price range (say, a console for $300
instead of a competitor's product with similair feature set for $400),
my personal experiences suggest that you won't have any reason to
complain about design or quality problems you wouldn't have had to face
if you had stayed away from Behringer.

And of course: anything about reliability or manufacturing quality in
this message is based solely on my personal experience. I treat my gear
extremely well. Anything related to sound quality or feature sets also
based on my personal experience, which, as I might say, is more
professional.

Thanks for listening, again - deeper discussion of the subject best via
private mail.

	Rainer

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] 
Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Januar 2005 18:42
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Aunti Behringer



<<<If you want any more details, please contact me offlist to avoid
anti-behringer rants...

	Rainer>>>



     Dude, as one of the more outspoken anti-Behringer people on this
list, I would love to hear any information in opposition to my own
experience and word-of-mouth tales from friends in the electronic repair
business.  Don't take offense if others trash Behringer, some of that is
well deserved.  We all benefit from the back-and-forth that naturally
comes about when differing views are held.  As somebody once said, "Take
your work seriously and yourself lightly".

     Stephen


		
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http://www.livejournal.com/users/andrelafosse/7103.html

Bernhard

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On Jan 18, 2005, at 16:17, Bernhard Wagner wrote:

> http://www.livejournal.com/users/andrelafosse/7103.html
>
> Bernhard


Cool!  I'm finding the quintophonic (don't pick on my English, please, 
I'm a Swede) sonic and musical option much more interesting than the 
syncing issue :-)   Given the the audience sit down inside the "PA 
circle",  just about anything - even non synced washy stuff - has to 
sound just gorgeous! I think I would set up up pedals for circulating 
sound at different (beat synced) speed and directions. Doing surround 
gigs is a dream I've had for long :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Oh if any of you noticed while reading this and you are in the NYC area
Andre requested a loner of three additional EDP units (he only has two at
the moment) So, if you have one you can loan him one to three for the NYC
performance (March 18th-30th) send him an email (I can't recall which
versions he has last beigeface or more recent blackface?) 

http://www.livejournal.com/users/andrelafosse/7103.html


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Sounds great Bob
However you'll need to put up something soon.. because I intend to buy 
a repeater when they come out in a few months and so if you want me to 
hold on to that cash which could go to you, then I am gonna need to 
see/hear more...
I hope you can get yourself up and running soon so we can all see this 
new invention.
good luck mate
geoff


On 17 Jan 2005, at 21:29, Doug Cox wrote:

> Dear Bob,
>
> I think I love you.  Please save me!
>
> Dig
>
> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>
>> I've actually done quite a bit of work on this unit.  The prototype 
>> that I'm talking about will be the first unit built in the rack box.  
>> I have several empty rack boxes behind me just waiting for the final 
>> electronics.
>>
>> I will be doing beta testing before shipping to customers.  I'll keep 
>> everyone informed of progress.
>>
>> As for details, I'm still keeping the details close to home.  
>> Especially now that the Repeater is returning to the market.  I don't 
>> think that they could change their electronics that fast, but I'd 
>> rather not take a chance. As soon as I have the first rack unit 
>> operational, I will take pictures and release a complete list of 
>> specifications.  I will say that my goal is to offer all the 
>> functionality of existing loopers combined with features that nobody 
>> else has.
>>
>> --On Monday, January 17, 2005 12:31 PM -0600 Doug Cox 
>> <dougcox@pdq.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> Those are exciting plans!  I'm intrigued.
>>>
>>> Do you really think you'll be selling a commercial version of the 
>>> device
>>> within a few months?  I'm no expert, but am surprised that you'll be 
>>> able
>>> to go from prototype to a finished product that quickly.  Is there 
>>> any
>>> forum where we can keep up with your progress, get some hints about
>>> functionality, and possibly even participate in beta testing?
>>>
>>> Dig
>>>
>>> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can say very little at this time, but I will say that it will fit 
>>>> in
>>>> a 1U rack space and will be built on current technology.  There will
>>>> be non-volatile storage for loops and stereo input and output.  
>>>> There
>>>> are other features that I prefer not to disclose at this time, but I
>>>> will as soon as the first prototype is completed.
>>>>
>>>> Probably the biggest selling point is that this looper will not be 
>>>> at
>>>> the mercy of a large corporation.  My goal will be to provide 
>>>> software
>>>> upgrades on a regular basis.  The upgrades will be based on the 
>>>> direct
>>>> requests of the users of this device.  Software upgrades will be
>>>> available for download over the Internet.  This will allow me to 
>>>> offer
>>>> the latest and greatest software to all users of this product.
>>>>
>>>> That's all I care to say for now.  Back to work on the prototype 
>>>> unit.
>>>>
>>>> --On Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:01 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer
>>>> <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bob -
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any further details you feel comfortable disclosing at 
>>>>> this
>>>>> time?
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bob Amstadt" <bob@amstadt.com>
>>>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:41 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: AW: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Expect another looper on the market in a couple of months.  
>>>>>> Development
>>>>>> is going well and I expect to have a prototype completed in about 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --On Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:57 AM -0800 mark sottilaro
>>>>>> <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Hm, I could be wrong, but with the Repeater some blank
>>>>>> > space is put before and after each loop so that you
>>>>>> > can go back and tweak your loop in and out point.
>>>>>> > This takes time and is what currently makes it
>>>>>> > impossible to go directly into record.  I'd easily
>>>>>> > lose the loop tweak functions as I find the LPA (loop
>>>>>> > point assist) stretching function to work fine for me.
>>>>>> >  All this speculation!  Exciting times though.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Mark
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --- Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> right Rainer !
>>>>>> >> I agree
>>>>>> >> luca
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> www.unguitar.com
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go
>>>>>> >> directly into overdub
>>>>>> >> > after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward
>>>>>> >> from the
>>>>>> >> > functionality of the original unit".
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>> >> > Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
>>>>>> >> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>>>> >> > Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave
>>>>>> >> the magic wand of
>>>>>> >> > debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to
>>>>>> >> recoup?  And yeah,
>>>>>> >> > it's probably made in China now to lower
>>>>>> >> manufacturing costs.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > After filtering marketing speak, their description
>>>>>> >> of the new version
>>>>>> >> > sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and
>>>>>> >> put a pretty
>>>>>> >> > faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true,
>>>>>> >> but I'm not
>>>>>> >> > expecting a big jump forward from the functionality
>>>>>> >> of the original
>>>>>> >> > unit.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM,
>>>>>> >> > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
>>>>>> >> >> Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
>>>>>> >> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>>> >> >> Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money
>>>>>> >> manufacturing these
>>>>>> >> >>> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they
>>>>>> >> going to make any
>>>>>> >> >>> money selling them this time around?
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >> Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced
>>>>>> >> manufacturing cost on
>>>>>> >> >> them? One would hope that they've tackled the
>>>>>> >> little problem of making
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> a profit...
>>>>>> >> >> Jon
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > .
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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At 4:56 PM +0100 1/18/05, Per Boysen wrote:

>Cool!  I'm finding the quintophonic (don't pick on my English, 
>please, I'm a Swede) sonic and musical option much more interesting 
>than the syncing issue :-)


"Quintophonic" works for me.

I find the idea of going in and out of sync to be intriguing. Nothing 
new about it (Steve Reich was doing it with his phase pieces in the 
'60s and '70s) but with modern tools it could be more easily and 
precisely done. Some thoughts:

Two or more loops that are initially in sync can be unlocked and 
allowed to drift until an interesting phase pattern develops, then 
put back into sync. Just how to get from sync to useful asynchrony 
would be dependent on the loopers in use. I don't know the EDP, but 
I've done this sort of thing with a pair of Max-controlled TC2290s.

Loops can be put into various synchronous and asynchronous 
relationships: same length but different time offsets, different 
lengths with small differential to produce drifting effect, different 
lengths but small-number ratios to produce compound patterns and 
polymetric effects, dynamic control of the above, using presets that 
can be created on the fly.

>Given the the audience sit down inside the "PA circle",  just about 
>anything - even non synced washy stuff - has to sound just gorgeous! 
>I think I would set up up pedals for circulating sound at different 
>(beat synced) speed and directions. Doing surround gigs is a dream 
>I've had for long :-)

I've been able to do this from time to time. All it takes is more 
amps and speakers and a reasonable mixer. Some of my earliest delay 
performances (1976) used a quad speaker system and a pair of 4-track 
decks (classic time-lag accumulator), with short delays sent to one 
pair of speakers and long delays to the other.

My home studio is 8-channel surround, using NHT SuperOne speakers and 
a pair of Crown 6-channel amps. The whole setup cost less than $2,000 
and could travel easily. I also have four little guitar amps that 
could do in a pinch, though I've come to the conclusion that for most 
effects-based and loop music it's better to run direct through a PA. 
Assuming I had the budget I'd probably get four powered Mackie PA 
speakers (they sound good for the money) and a 4-bus mixer.
-- 

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<div>At 4:56 PM +0100 1/18/05, Per Boysen wrote:</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Cool!&nbsp; I'm finding the quintophonic
(don't pick on my English, please, I'm a Swede) sonic and musical
option much more interesting than the syncing issue :-)&nbsp;
</blockquote>
<div><br>
<br>
</div>
<div>&quot;Quintophonic&quot; works for me.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I find the idea of going in and out of sync to be intriguing.
Nothing new about it (Steve Reich was doing it with his phase pieces
in the '60s and '70s) but with modern tools it could be more easily
and precisely done. Some thoughts:</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote>Two or more loops that are initially in sync can be
unlocked and allowed to drift until an interesting phase pattern
develops, then put back into sync. Just how to get from sync to useful
asynchrony would be dependent on the loopers in use. I don't know the
EDP, but I've done this sort of thing with a pair of Max-controlled
TC2290s.</blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote>Loops can be put into various synchronous and asynchronous
relationships: same length but different time offsets, different
lengths with small differential to produce drifting effect, different
lengths but small-number ratios to produce compound patterns and
polymetric effects, dynamic control of the above, using presets that
can be created on the fly.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Given the the audience sit down inside
the &quot;PA circle&quot;,&nbsp; just about anything - even non synced
washy stuff - has to sound just gorgeous! I think I would set up up
pedals for circulating sound at different (beat synced) speed and
directions. Doing surround gigs is a dream I've had for long
:-)</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>I've been able to do this from time to time. All it takes is more
amps and speakers and a reasonable mixer. Some of my earliest delay
performances (1976) used a quad speaker system and a pair of 4-track
decks (classic time-lag accumulator), with short delays sent to one
pair of speakers and long delays to the other.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>My home studio is 8-channel surround, using NHT SuperOne speakers
and a pair of Crown 6-channel amps. The whole setup cost less than
$2,000 and could travel easily. I also have four little guitar amps
that could do in a pinch, though I've come to the conclusion that for
most effects-based and loop music it's better to run direct through a
PA. Assuming I had the budget I'd probably get four powered Mackie PA
speakers (they sound good for the money) and a 4-bus mixer.</div>
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(818) 788-2202<x-tab>&nbsp;
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http://www.zvonar.com<br>
http://salamandersongs.com<br>
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Oddly enough, the humble Zoom 505, the gen-1 black one, does a terrific job with octave-down when you use the expression pedal. It tracks very, very well, even on whole chords, and imparts a great metallic underwater kinda timbre that's very Twin Peaks... makes a great "tic-tac" bass sound out of my guitar. The interval settings are rich and useful as well. If you focus on the 3 or 4 things it excels at and ignore the things it sux at, you can have a great little friend for very few bucks. (I got mine brand new back in 1996 or '97, one of the first ones made, but I'm sure they're going for beer money nowadays ;-)  I sang its praises on Harmony Central, but years later I still dig it. (Note: After nearly 10 trouble-free years, it has begun to hiss intermittently, from absolutely dead quiet to "what is that hsssssssss coming from?" ... if any fellow 505ers know what the deal is, lemme know.) 
Cheerios,
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"Brian - Did you try a whammy pedal yet?"

I did, but I found a used PS-5 for less than I could get a whammy pedal, and from the little experimentation I did, I think I like the PS-5 a little better for my purposes.  On top of that, it is hard to beat the size of the PS-5, takes up much less floor space (something I seem to be running out of).  I have a friend that has a whammy pedal, so I may do some further experimentation with it.  Do you know if they have had different releases of the whammy?  The one I used seemed to have some trouble with some of the "low" notes(when using 100% effect, down 1 octave).


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My original hopes were to have something ready for NAMM, but I knew that 
wasn't a realistic goal.  As much as I'd like to say wait for what's 
coming, I can't control the schedule.  I will say that I am working as fast 
as I can and it will be available soon.  With other companies in the 
marketplace, I really can't afford to announce the features before I am 
ready to sell.

--On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:43 PM +0000 looper@bluecocoa.co.uk wrote:

> Sounds great Bob
> However you'll need to put up something soon.. because I intend to buy a
> repeater when they come out in a few months and so if you want me to hold
> on to that cash which could go to you, then I am gonna need to see/hear
> more...
> I hope you can get yourself up and running soon so we can all see this
> new invention.
> good luck mate
> geoff
>
>
> On 17 Jan 2005, at 21:29, Doug Cox wrote:
>
>> Dear Bob,
>>
>> I think I love you.  Please save me!
>>
>> Dig
>>
>> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>>
>>> I've actually done quite a bit of work on this unit.  The prototype
>>> that I'm talking about will be the first unit built in the rack box.
>>> I have several empty rack boxes behind me just waiting for the final
>>> electronics.
>>>
>>> I will be doing beta testing before shipping to customers.  I'll keep
>>> everyone informed of progress.
>>>
>>> As for details, I'm still keeping the details close to home.
>>> Especially now that the Repeater is returning to the market.  I don't
>>> think that they could change their electronics that fast, but I'd
>>> rather not take a chance. As soon as I have the first rack unit
>>> operational, I will take pictures and release a complete list of
>>> specifications.  I will say that my goal is to offer all the
>>> functionality of existing loopers combined with features that nobody
>>> else has.
>>>
>>> --On Monday, January 17, 2005 12:31 PM -0600 Doug Cox
>>> <dougcox@pdq.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob,
>>>>
>>>> Those are exciting plans!  I'm intrigued.
>>>>
>>>> Do you really think you'll be selling a commercial version of the
>>>> device
>>>> within a few months?  I'm no expert, but am surprised that you'll be
>>>> able
>>>> to go from prototype to a finished product that quickly.  Is there
>>>> any
>>>> forum where we can keep up with your progress, get some hints about
>>>> functionality, and possibly even participate in beta testing?
>>>>
>>>> Dig
>>>>
>>>> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can say very little at this time, but I will say that it will fit
>>>>> in
>>>>> a 1U rack space and will be built on current technology.  There will
>>>>> be non-volatile storage for loops and stereo input and output.
>>>>> There
>>>>> are other features that I prefer not to disclose at this time, but I
>>>>> will as soon as the first prototype is completed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably the biggest selling point is that this looper will not be
>>>>> at
>>>>> the mercy of a large corporation.  My goal will be to provide
>>>>> software
>>>>> upgrades on a regular basis.  The upgrades will be based on the
>>>>> direct
>>>>> requests of the users of this device.  Software upgrades will be
>>>>> available for download over the Internet.  This will allow me to
>>>>> offer
>>>>> the latest and greatest software to all users of this product.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's all I care to say for now.  Back to work on the prototype
>>>>> unit.
>>>>>
>>>>> --On Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:01 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer
>>>>> <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there any further details you feel comfortable disclosing at
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bob Amstadt" <bob@amstadt.com>
>>>>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:41 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: AW: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Expect another looper on the market in a couple of months.
>>>>>>> Development
>>>>>>> is going well and I expect to have a prototype completed in about
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> month.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --On Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:57 AM -0800 mark sottilaro
>>>>>>> <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Hm, I could be wrong, but with the Repeater some blank
>>>>>>> > space is put before and after each loop so that you
>>>>>>> > can go back and tweak your loop in and out point.
>>>>>>> > This takes time and is what currently makes it
>>>>>>> > impossible to go directly into record.  I'd easily
>>>>>>> > lose the loop tweak functions as I find the LPA (loop
>>>>>>> > point assist) stretching function to work fine for me.
>>>>>>> >  All this speculation!  Exciting times though.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Mark
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > --- Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> right Rainer !
>>>>>>> >> I agree
>>>>>>> >> luca
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> www.unguitar.com
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> > Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go
>>>>>>> >> directly into overdub
>>>>>>> >> > after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward
>>>>>>> >> from the
>>>>>>> >> > functionality of the original unit".
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>> >> > Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
>>>>>>> >> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>>>>> >> > Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave
>>>>>>> >> the magic wand of
>>>>>>> >> > debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to
>>>>>>> >> recoup?  And yeah,
>>>>>>> >> > it's probably made in China now to lower
>>>>>>> >> manufacturing costs.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > After filtering marketing speak, their description
>>>>>>> >> of the new version
>>>>>>> >> > sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and
>>>>>>> >> put a pretty
>>>>>>> >> > faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true,
>>>>>>> >> but I'm not
>>>>>>> >> > expecting a big jump forward from the functionality
>>>>>>> >> of the original
>>>>>>> >> > unit.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM,
>>>>>>> >> > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> >> >> Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
>>>>>>> >> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>>>> >> >> Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money
>>>>>>> >> manufacturing these
>>>>>>> >> >>> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they
>>>>>>> >> going to make any
>>>>>>> >> >>> money selling them this time around?
>>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >> Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced
>>>>>>> >> manufacturing cost on
>>>>>>> >> >> them? One would hope that they've tackled the
>>>>>>> >> little problem of making
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> a profit...
>>>>>>> >> >> Jon
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > .
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>





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Re: OS & Augustus Loop:
Where has this software been all my life? - I just loaded it and am
playing.  In a word?  Stunning.  I'll figure out all of the controls
eventually.  Wow.  More to come.  Much more.


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Can you disclose anticipated MRSP?  Or is that showing your hand a bit 
too much?

Bob Amstadt wrote:
> My original hopes were to have something ready for NAMM, but I knew that 
> wasn't a realistic goal.  As much as I'd like to say wait for what's 
> coming, I can't control the schedule.  I will say that I am working as 
> fast as I can and it will be available soon.  With other companies in 
> the marketplace, I really can't afford to announce the features before I 
> am ready to sell.
> 
> --On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:43 PM +0000 looper@bluecocoa.co.uk wrote:
> 
>> Sounds great Bob
>> However you'll need to put up something soon.. because I intend to buy a
>> repeater when they come out in a few months and so if you want me to hold
>> on to that cash which could go to you, then I am gonna need to see/hear
>> more...
>> I hope you can get yourself up and running soon so we can all see this
>> new invention.
>> good luck mate
>> geoff
>>
>>
>> On 17 Jan 2005, at 21:29, Doug Cox wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Bob,
>>>
>>> I think I love you.  Please save me!
>>>
>>> Dig
>>>
>>> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've actually done quite a bit of work on this unit.  The prototype
>>>> that I'm talking about will be the first unit built in the rack box.
>>>> I have several empty rack boxes behind me just waiting for the final
>>>> electronics.
>>>>
>>>> I will be doing beta testing before shipping to customers.  I'll keep
>>>> everyone informed of progress.
>>>>
>>>> As for details, I'm still keeping the details close to home.
>>>> Especially now that the Repeater is returning to the market.  I don't
>>>> think that they could change their electronics that fast, but I'd
>>>> rather not take a chance. As soon as I have the first rack unit
>>>> operational, I will take pictures and release a complete list of
>>>> specifications.  I will say that my goal is to offer all the
>>>> functionality of existing loopers combined with features that nobody
>>>> else has.
>>>>
>>>> --On Monday, January 17, 2005 12:31 PM -0600 Doug Cox
>>>> <dougcox@pdq.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are exciting plans!  I'm intrigued.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you really think you'll be selling a commercial version of the
>>>>> device
>>>>> within a few months?  I'm no expert, but am surprised that you'll be
>>>>> able
>>>>> to go from prototype to a finished product that quickly.  Is there
>>>>> any
>>>>> forum where we can keep up with your progress, get some hints about
>>>>> functionality, and possibly even participate in beta testing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dig
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can say very little at this time, but I will say that it will fit
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> a 1U rack space and will be built on current technology.  There will
>>>>>> be non-volatile storage for loops and stereo input and output.
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> are other features that I prefer not to disclose at this time, but I
>>>>>> will as soon as the first prototype is completed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably the biggest selling point is that this looper will not be
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the mercy of a large corporation.  My goal will be to provide
>>>>>> software
>>>>>> upgrades on a regular basis.  The upgrades will be based on the
>>>>>> direct
>>>>>> requests of the users of this device.  Software upgrades will be
>>>>>> available for download over the Internet.  This will allow me to
>>>>>> offer
>>>>>> the latest and greatest software to all users of this product.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's all I care to say for now.  Back to work on the prototype
>>>>>> unit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --On Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:01 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer
>>>>>> <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are there any further details you feel comfortable disclosing at
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Bob Amstadt" <bob@amstadt.com>
>>>>>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:41 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: AW: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Expect another looper on the market in a couple of months.
>>>>>>>> Development
>>>>>>>> is going well and I expect to have a prototype completed in about
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> month.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --On Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:57 AM -0800 mark sottilaro
>>>>>>>> <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Hm, I could be wrong, but with the Repeater some blank
>>>>>>>> > space is put before and after each loop so that you
>>>>>>>> > can go back and tweak your loop in and out point.
>>>>>>>> > This takes time and is what currently makes it
>>>>>>>> > impossible to go directly into record.  I'd easily
>>>>>>>> > lose the loop tweak functions as I find the LPA (loop
>>>>>>>> > point assist) stretching function to work fine for me.
>>>>>>>> >  All this speculation!  Exciting times though.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Mark
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > --- Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> right Rainer !
>>>>>>>> >> I agree
>>>>>>>> >> luca
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> www.unguitar.com
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> > Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go
>>>>>>>> >> directly into overdub
>>>>>>>> >> > after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward
>>>>>>>> >> from the
>>>>>>>> >> > functionality of the original unit".
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>> >> > Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
>>>>>>>> >> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>>>>>> >> > Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave
>>>>>>>> >> the magic wand of
>>>>>>>> >> > debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to
>>>>>>>> >> recoup?  And yeah,
>>>>>>>> >> > it's probably made in China now to lower
>>>>>>>> >> manufacturing costs.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > After filtering marketing speak, their description
>>>>>>>> >> of the new version
>>>>>>>> >> > sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and
>>>>>>>> >> put a pretty
>>>>>>>> >> > faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true,
>>>>>>>> >> but I'm not
>>>>>>>> >> > expecting a big jump forward from the functionality
>>>>>>>> >> of the original
>>>>>>>> >> > unit.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM,
>>>>>>>> >> > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >> >> Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
>>>>>>>> >> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>>>>> >> >> Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >>> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money
>>>>>>>> >> manufacturing these
>>>>>>>> >> >>> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they
>>>>>>>> >> going to make any
>>>>>>>> >> >>> money selling them this time around?
>>>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>>> >> >> Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced
>>>>>>>> >> manufacturing cost on
>>>>>>>> >> >> them? One would hope that they've tackled the
>>>>>>>> >> little problem of making
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> a profit...
>>>>>>>> >> >> Jon
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > .
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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I have a target in mind, but I haven't computed the final cost to build the 
unit, yet.  So, the target is likely higher than what I will actually end 
up setting the price at.  For this reason, I don't think it would wise for 
me to release a number at this time.  This will be neither a low-budget 
unit nor outrageously expensive though.

--On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:24 PM -0500 Tom Combs <tcombs@sep.com> 
wrote:

> Can you disclose anticipated MRSP?  Or is that showing your hand a bit
> too much?
>
> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>> My original hopes were to have something ready for NAMM, but I knew that
>> wasn't a realistic goal.  As much as I'd like to say wait for what's
>> coming, I can't control the schedule.  I will say that I am working as
>> fast as I can and it will be available soon.  With other companies in
>> the marketplace, I really can't afford to announce the features before I
>> am ready to sell.
>>
>> --On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:43 PM +0000 looper@bluecocoa.co.uk
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds great Bob
>>> However you'll need to put up something soon.. because I intend to buy a
>>> repeater when they come out in a few months and so if you want me to
>>> hold on to that cash which could go to you, then I am gonna need to
>>> see/hear more...
>>> I hope you can get yourself up and running soon so we can all see this
>>> new invention.
>>> good luck mate
>>> geoff
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 Jan 2005, at 21:29, Doug Cox wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Bob,
>>>>
>>>> I think I love you.  Please save me!
>>>>
>>>> Dig
>>>>
>>>> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've actually done quite a bit of work on this unit.  The prototype
>>>>> that I'm talking about will be the first unit built in the rack box.
>>>>> I have several empty rack boxes behind me just waiting for the final
>>>>> electronics.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will be doing beta testing before shipping to customers.  I'll keep
>>>>> everyone informed of progress.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for details, I'm still keeping the details close to home.
>>>>> Especially now that the Repeater is returning to the market.  I don't
>>>>> think that they could change their electronics that fast, but I'd
>>>>> rather not take a chance. As soon as I have the first rack unit
>>>>> operational, I will take pictures and release a complete list of
>>>>> specifications.  I will say that my goal is to offer all the
>>>>> functionality of existing loopers combined with features that nobody
>>>>> else has.
>>>>>
>>>>> --On Monday, January 17, 2005 12:31 PM -0600 Doug Cox
>>>>> <dougcox@pdq.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those are exciting plans!  I'm intrigued.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you really think you'll be selling a commercial version of the
>>>>>> device
>>>>>> within a few months?  I'm no expert, but am surprised that you'll be
>>>>>> able
>>>>>> to go from prototype to a finished product that quickly.  Is there
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> forum where we can keep up with your progress, get some hints about
>>>>>> functionality, and possibly even participate in beta testing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dig
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can say very little at this time, but I will say that it will fit
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> a 1U rack space and will be built on current technology.  There will
>>>>>>> be non-volatile storage for loops and stereo input and output.
>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>> are other features that I prefer not to disclose at this time, but I
>>>>>>> will as soon as the first prototype is completed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably the biggest selling point is that this looper will not be
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> the mercy of a large corporation.  My goal will be to provide
>>>>>>> software
>>>>>>> upgrades on a regular basis.  The upgrades will be based on the
>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>> requests of the users of this device.  Software upgrades will be
>>>>>>> available for download over the Internet.  This will allow me to
>>>>>>> offer
>>>>>>> the latest and greatest software to all users of this product.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's all I care to say for now.  Back to work on the prototype
>>>>>>> unit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --On Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:01 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer
>>>>>>> <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are there any further details you feel comfortable disclosing at
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Bob Amstadt" <bob@amstadt.com>
>>>>>>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:41 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: AW: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Expect another looper on the market in a couple of months.
>>>>>>>>> Development
>>>>>>>>> is going well and I expect to have a prototype completed in about
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> month.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --On Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:57 AM -0800 mark sottilaro
>>>>>>>>> <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Hm, I could be wrong, but with the Repeater some blank
>>>>>>>>> > space is put before and after each loop so that you
>>>>>>>>> > can go back and tweak your loop in and out point.
>>>>>>>>> > This takes time and is what currently makes it
>>>>>>>>> > impossible to go directly into record.  I'd easily
>>>>>>>>> > lose the loop tweak functions as I find the LPA (loop
>>>>>>>>> > point assist) stretching function to work fine for me.
>>>>>>>>> >  All this speculation!  Exciting times though.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Mark
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > --- Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> right Rainer !
>>>>>>>>> >> I agree
>>>>>>>>> >> luca
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> www.unguitar.com
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go
>>>>>>>>> >> directly into overdub
>>>>>>>>> >> > after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward
>>>>>>>>> >> from the
>>>>>>>>> >> > functionality of the original unit".
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>>> >> > Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
>>>>>>>>> >> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>>>>>>> >> > Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave
>>>>>>>>> >> the magic wand of
>>>>>>>>> >> > debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to
>>>>>>>>> >> recoup?  And yeah,
>>>>>>>>> >> > it's probably made in China now to lower
>>>>>>>>> >> manufacturing costs.
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > After filtering marketing speak, their description
>>>>>>>>> >> of the new version
>>>>>>>>> >> > sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and
>>>>>>>>> >> put a pretty
>>>>>>>>> >> > faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true,
>>>>>>>>> >> but I'm not
>>>>>>>>> >> > expecting a big jump forward from the functionality
>>>>>>>>> >> of the original
>>>>>>>>> >> > unit.
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM,
>>>>>>>>> >> > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
>>>>>>>>> >> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >>> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money
>>>>>>>>> >> manufacturing these
>>>>>>>>> >> >>> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they
>>>>>>>>> >> going to make any
>>>>>>>>> >> >>> money selling them this time around?
>>>>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced
>>>>>>>>> >> manufacturing cost on
>>>>>>>>> >> >> them? One would hope that they've tackled the
>>>>>>>>> >> little problem of making
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> a profit...
>>>>>>>>> >> >> Jon
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > .
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Tom Combs, Senior Engineer
> SEP, Inc.
> 11611 N Meridian Street
> Suite 800
> Carmel, IN  46032
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"As for stealing other companies' ideas: true, but basically, that is the
way the world we live in works. If you don't like it, you can always
jump down a high-rise. (warning: don't try this at home!)"

Jumping from tall buildings is painful for oneself and whomever you land on. An easier solution than such "splataerial" behavior is to simply try, whenever economically feasible, to buy with a conscience. For instance, Behringer's Pod Pro ripoff is very tempting, but it is so blatant that I could not take the bait. Rip off an ingenious design that someone busted their balls over and then build it in China? If I am going to buy something made in a Chinese slave labor facility, it is going to be something I can't get elsewhere, something unique, like the Alesis ModFX series, or Behringer's Virtualizer, which I may someday buy just for the vinyl-crackle effect. Their combo amps seem reasonably original, too. But I digress. Today it seems like NEARLY everything is build by scoundrels, but not everything... one can still find good products made by good people; they are just a little harder to find.
Yours in Bahlsen Lebkuchen,
Tim Mungenast





-----Original Message-----
From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de>
Sent: Jan 18, 2005 10:06 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: AW: Aunti Behringer

Stephen,

before going into any more details, let me state that a) I do not (nor
did I ever) own any of the super-cheap Behringer devices (like the small
UB mixers) and b) I am not a professional musician, which means my gear
(Behringer or not) does neither get the constant use nor the intense
on-the-road abuse which is common for all you professionals out there.

That being said, I had been a content Behringer customer since I first
got the MX2642 shortly after it was released (must've been something
like early '96). Since then, I have acquired a MX2200 Composer, a
DSP2024 Virtualizer, a MX2642A, two patchbays, a PEQ2000 analogue
parametric EQ, a DSP1400P Ultramizer dynamics processor, a DX3216
console complete with ADAT interface, a ADA8000 lightpipe ADA, a
HA4700XL headphone preamp and of course a FCB1010.

I once experienced a major failure - the DDX3216 failed to boot about
three days after I got it. Fortunately, I could get it replaced within
two days and in time for a live performance - no hassles since then.

Apart from that, the devices wear mechanically, and they most probably
do faster than their professional counterparts. Again from my personal
viewpoint, I offer the following calculation: when shopping for a
digital mixer, I might either take (in about the same feature range)
either a Behringer for a price x or a comparable Tascam (or Yamaha, if
you prefer) for a price 3*x. Then, my Behringer might fail after two
years of use, upon which I get the same model for the price 0.7*x,
until, after two more years, getting the follow-up product for price x
but with enhanced features. For me, as a non-professional user, this is
the better bargain.

Sound-quality-wise, there is nothing to complain about the devices which
I use. I heard horror stories about the aforementioned small UB mixers,
both with regard to reliability and sound quality, but this is not true
for my gear. Strange as it sounds, I actually do prefer the micpres of
my MX2642A to my Mackie 1202 (at least for my microphones, which are not
exactly Telefunken- or Schoeps-made).

As for stealing other companies' ideas: true, but basically, that is the
way the world we live in works. If you don't like it, you can always
jump down a high-rise. (warning: don't try this at home!)

Finally, Behringer has really revoluted the music gear market,
especially in their earlier days. I first became aware of Behringer when
they released their first Composer. This was a time when you could
either get a fairly decent compressor (say dbx) for the price of a
bigger DAW of today, or a compressor from a more musician-oriented
company (say Alesis) for the price of an acceptable guitar, which was
crap. Behringer was the first company to build compressors at a price
of, say, a SM58 with mic stand, and exceeding the quality of the Alesis
and competing with the dbx.
The result: the Alesises have dropped in price to the Behringer niveau
and risen in quality, and a dbx can today be had for one and a half
Behringers.

So, even when bashing Behringer, do not cut off the hand which in a way
ensures that you stay able to feed yourself ;-)

Aftermath: I understand it is easy to blame a manufacturer for what he
is doing, even when you are fast to accept the benefits. A small UB
series mixer costs about 10% of a Mackie 1202 (German prices). If you
decide to go for the Behringer instead of the Mackie to allow yourself
to vastly improve your malt whiskey collection, it seems strange to me
to blame Behringer for your drinking problem. If on the other hand you
get a Behringer in roughly the same price range (say, a console for $300
instead of a competitor's product with similair feature set for $400),
my personal experiences suggest that you won't have any reason to
complain about design or quality problems you wouldn't have had to face
if you had stayed away from Behringer.

And of course: anything about reliability or manufacturing quality in
this message is based solely on my personal experience. I treat my gear
extremely well. Anything related to sound quality or feature sets also
based on my personal experience, which, as I might say, is more
professional.

Thanks for listening, again - deeper discussion of the subject best via
private mail.

	Rainer

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] 
Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Januar 2005 18:42
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Aunti Behringer



<<<If you want any more details, please contact me offlist to avoid
anti-behringer rants...

	Rainer>>>



     Dude, as one of the more outspoken anti-Behringer people on this
list, I would love to hear any information in opposition to my own
experience and word-of-mouth tales from friends in the electronic repair
business.  Don't take offense if others trash Behringer, some of that is
well deserved.  We all benefit from the back-and-forth that naturally
comes about when differing views are held.  As somebody once said, "Take
your work seriously and yourself lightly".

     Stephen


		
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Hello All,

I was reading a magazine recently and I noticed an ad for the Gigitech GNX$
Guitar Workstation. It said it has a "JAMMAN" mode (it also apparently has a
Lexicon reverb model in there).

I'm wondering why I haven't seen this discussed in Loopers' Delight? It
seems like it has the potential to be a useful tool in the arsenal. Anybody
know more about this unit?

Brian C


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Hi all,

Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of 
course came with a pretty small CFC.  In buying a new one for it I 
learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their 
CFC.  I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the 
Repeater.

Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've 
seen as high as 80X.  For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which they 
claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they 
say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I 
tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small 
mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater instantly 
reported "CFC SLOW"

I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the 
same results (stereo looping was too much for it).

So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still the 
biggest CFC I've found that works.  Of course.. there's always the 80X 
Lexar (?)


Anybody have any other findings?

Thanks!
Tom

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In doing this configuration... how would you output al
5 different signals so you get the true amazing sonic
experience at the end we can only listen in stereo...
Luis



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As far as I understand it, CFCs destined to work are those with a
Hitachi chipset (information from Electrix or from their user group, and
they weren't more specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's
the one which was available when the Repeater was released). From
sustained write/read speed, you can do the math yourself, ending up with
something well below 1MB/s.	

	Rainer 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Januar 2005 19:12
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Betreff: CFC Speeds for Repeater


Hi all,

Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of 
course came with a pretty small CFC.  In buying a new one for it I 
learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their 
CFC.  I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the 
Repeater.

Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've 
seen as high as 80X.  For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which they 
claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they 
say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I 
tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small 
mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater instantly 
reported "CFC SLOW"

I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the 
same results (stereo looping was too much for it).

So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still the 
biggest CFC I've found that works.  Of course.. there's always the 80X 
Lexar (?)


Anybody have any other findings?

Thanks!
Tom

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On Jan 18, 2005, at 19:14, L. Angulo wrote:

> In doing this configuration... how would you output al
> 5 different signals so you get the true amazing sonic
> experience at the end we can only listen in stereo...
> Luis


No. The human hearing is capable of detecting the direction of a given 
sound. We can hear if it's coming up front or if it comes from behind, 
from the left, the right, above, below and every angel in between.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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And if you turn it up loud enough, you can certainly feel where a sound 
is coming from.

-J



Per Boysen wrote:
> On Jan 18, 2005, at 19:14, L. Angulo wrote:
> 
>> In doing this configuration... how would you output al
>> 5 different signals so you get the true amazing sonic
>> experience at the end we can only listen in stereo...
>> Luis
> 
> 
> 
> No. The human hearing is capable of detecting the direction of a given 
> sound. We can hear if it's coming up front or if it comes from behind, 
> from the left, the right, above, below and every angel in between.
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
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> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
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I am baffled if I send a message from my webmail account it seems to get
to the loopersdelight list, however sending a message from the Mail
program of OSX to the list using the same account, my messages don't
seem to be getting through at all although the program says have been
sent to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com  successfully.
Anyone have any suggestions?
As i really don't want to use this webmail site for looking at the
loopers list as its slow and cumbersome.
The messages are downloaded successfully and are sent successfully from
Mail in OSX 10.3.6 but don't seem to be coming up on the list. ARGGHH!
any advice greatfully recieved.
geoff

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I don't have any advice on how your problem can be solved, but I can 
verify that Mail on the Mac can be used. In fact, I'm using it right 
now.

Good luck,
Jeff


On Jan 18, 2005, at 1:00 PM, <looper@bluecocoa.co.uk> wrote:

>
> I am baffled if I send a message from my webmail account it seems to 
> get
> to the loopersdelight list, however sending a message from the Mail
> program of OSX to the list using the same account, my messages don't
> seem to be getting through at all although the program says have been
> sent to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com  successfully.
> Anyone have any suggestions?
> As i really don't want to use this webmail site for looking at the
> loopers list as its slow and cumbersome.
> The messages are downloaded successfully and are sent successfully from
> Mail in OSX 10.3.6 but don't seem to be coming up on the list. ARGGHH!
> any advice greatfully recieved.
> geoff
>
>

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Will it be running an embedded Linux, by any chance? If so, might you 
consider making it somewhat open to third-party developers?

just speculating wildly...sorry


-Alex

On Jan 18, 2005, at 9:45 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote:

> I have a target in mind, but I haven't computed the final cost to 
> build the unit, yet.  So, the target is likely higher than what I will 
> actually end up setting the price at.  For this reason, I don't think 
> it would wise for me to release a number at this time.  This will be 
> neither a low-budget unit nor outrageously expensive though.
>
> --On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:24 PM -0500 Tom Combs 
> <tcombs@sep.com> wrote:
>
>> Can you disclose anticipated MRSP?  Or is that showing your hand a bit
>> too much?
>>
>> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>>> My original hopes were to have something ready for NAMM, but I knew 
>>> that
>>> wasn't a realistic goal.  As much as I'd like to say wait for what's
>>> coming, I can't control the schedule.  I will say that I am working 
>>> as
>>> fast as I can and it will be available soon.  With other companies in
>>> the marketplace, I really can't afford to announce the features 
>>> before I
>>> am ready to sell.
>>>
>>> --On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:43 PM +0000 looper@bluecocoa.co.uk
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sounds great Bob
>>>> However you'll need to put up something soon.. because I intend to 
>>>> buy a
>>>> repeater when they come out in a few months and so if you want me to
>>>> hold on to that cash which could go to you, then I am gonna need to
>>>> see/hear more...
>>>> I hope you can get yourself up and running soon so we can all see 
>>>> this
>>>> new invention.
>>>> good luck mate
>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Jan 2005, at 21:29, Doug Cox wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Bob,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I love you.  Please save me!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dig
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've actually done quite a bit of work on this unit.  The 
>>>>>> prototype
>>>>>> that I'm talking about will be the first unit built in the rack 
>>>>>> box.
>>>>>> I have several empty rack boxes behind me just waiting for the 
>>>>>> final
>>>>>> electronics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will be doing beta testing before shipping to customers.  I'll 
>>>>>> keep
>>>>>> everyone informed of progress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for details, I'm still keeping the details close to home.
>>>>>> Especially now that the Repeater is returning to the market.  I 
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> think that they could change their electronics that fast, but I'd
>>>>>> rather not take a chance. As soon as I have the first rack unit
>>>>>> operational, I will take pictures and release a complete list of
>>>>>> specifications.  I will say that my goal is to offer all the
>>>>>> functionality of existing loopers combined with features that 
>>>>>> nobody
>>>>>> else has.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --On Monday, January 17, 2005 12:31 PM -0600 Doug Cox
>>>>>> <dougcox@pdq.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those are exciting plans!  I'm intrigued.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you really think you'll be selling a commercial version of the
>>>>>>> device
>>>>>>> within a few months?  I'm no expert, but am surprised that 
>>>>>>> you'll be
>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>> to go from prototype to a finished product that quickly.  Is 
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> forum where we can keep up with your progress, get some hints 
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> functionality, and possibly even participate in beta testing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can say very little at this time, but I will say that it will 
>>>>>>>> fit
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> a 1U rack space and will be built on current technology.  There 
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> be non-volatile storage for loops and stereo input and output.
>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>> are other features that I prefer not to disclose at this time, 
>>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>> will as soon as the first prototype is completed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Probably the biggest selling point is that this looper will not 
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> the mercy of a large corporation.  My goal will be to provide
>>>>>>>> software
>>>>>>>> upgrades on a regular basis.  The upgrades will be based on the
>>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>> requests of the users of this device.  Software upgrades will be
>>>>>>>> available for download over the Internet.  This will allow me to
>>>>>>>> offer
>>>>>>>> the latest and greatest software to all users of this product.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's all I care to say for now.  Back to work on the prototype
>>>>>>>> unit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --On Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:01 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer
>>>>>>>> <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bob -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are there any further details you feel comfortable disclosing 
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Bob Amstadt" <bob@amstadt.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:41 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: AW: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Expect another looper on the market in a couple of months.
>>>>>>>>>> Development
>>>>>>>>>> is going well and I expect to have a prototype completed in 
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> month.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --On Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:57 AM -0800 mark sottilaro
>>>>>>>>>> <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > Hm, I could be wrong, but with the Repeater some blank
>>>>>>>>>> > space is put before and after each loop so that you
>>>>>>>>>> > can go back and tweak your loop in and out point.
>>>>>>>>>> > This takes time and is what currently makes it
>>>>>>>>>> > impossible to go directly into record.  I'd easily
>>>>>>>>>> > lose the loop tweak functions as I find the LPA (loop
>>>>>>>>>> > point assist) stretching function to work fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>> >  All this speculation!  Exciting times though.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Mark
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > --- Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> right Rainer !
>>>>>>>>>> >> I agree
>>>>>>>>>> >> luca
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> www.unguitar.com
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go
>>>>>>>>>> >> directly into overdub
>>>>>>>>>> >> > after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward
>>>>>>>>>> >> from the
>>>>>>>>>> >> > functionality of the original unit".
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>>>> >> > Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
>>>>>>>>>> >> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>>>>>>>> >> > Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave
>>>>>>>>>> >> the magic wand of
>>>>>>>>>> >> > debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to
>>>>>>>>>> >> recoup?  And yeah,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > it's probably made in China now to lower
>>>>>>>>>> >> manufacturing costs.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > After filtering marketing speak, their description
>>>>>>>>>> >> of the new version
>>>>>>>>>> >> > sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and
>>>>>>>>>> >> put a pretty
>>>>>>>>>> >> > faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true,
>>>>>>>>>> >> but I'm not
>>>>>>>>>> >> > expecting a big jump forward from the functionality
>>>>>>>>>> >> of the original
>>>>>>>>>> >> > unit.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money
>>>>>>>>>> >> manufacturing these
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they
>>>>>>>>>> >> going to make any
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> money selling them this time around?
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced
>>>>>>>>>> >> manufacturing cost on
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> them? One would hope that they've tackled the
>>>>>>>>>> >> little problem of making
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> a profit...
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Jon
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > .
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Tom Combs, Senior Engineer
>> SEP, Inc.
>> 11611 N Meridian Street
>> Suite 800
>> Carmel, IN  46032
>> (317) 843-1640
>
>
>
>
>

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Regardless of how the software is constructed, I may choose to enter into 
license agreements with third party developers.  At this time I have no 
immediate plans to do this.  I feel that it is more important to have a 
product on the market first.

--On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:26 AM -0800 Alex Stahl <alex@pixar.com> 
wrote:

> Will it be running an embedded Linux, by any chance? If so, might you
> consider making it somewhat open to third-party developers?
>
> just speculating wildly...sorry
>
>
> -Alex
>
> On Jan 18, 2005, at 9:45 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote:
>
>> I have a target in mind, but I haven't computed the final cost to
>> build the unit, yet.  So, the target is likely higher than what I will
>> actually end up setting the price at.  For this reason, I don't think
>> it would wise for me to release a number at this time.  This will be
>> neither a low-budget unit nor outrageously expensive though.
>>
>> --On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:24 PM -0500 Tom Combs
>> <tcombs@sep.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you disclose anticipated MRSP?  Or is that showing your hand a bit
>>> too much?
>>>
>>> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>>>> My original hopes were to have something ready for NAMM, but I knew
>>>> that
>>>> wasn't a realistic goal.  As much as I'd like to say wait for what's
>>>> coming, I can't control the schedule.  I will say that I am working
>>>> as
>>>> fast as I can and it will be available soon.  With other companies in
>>>> the marketplace, I really can't afford to announce the features
>>>> before I
>>>> am ready to sell.
>>>>
>>>> --On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:43 PM +0000 looper@bluecocoa.co.uk
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sounds great Bob
>>>>> However you'll need to put up something soon.. because I intend to
>>>>> buy a
>>>>> repeater when they come out in a few months and so if you want me to
>>>>> hold on to that cash which could go to you, then I am gonna need to
>>>>> see/hear more...
>>>>> I hope you can get yourself up and running soon so we can all see
>>>>> this
>>>>> new invention.
>>>>> good luck mate
>>>>> geoff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17 Jan 2005, at 21:29, Doug Cox wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Bob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I love you.  Please save me!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dig
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've actually done quite a bit of work on this unit.  The
>>>>>>> prototype
>>>>>>> that I'm talking about will be the first unit built in the rack
>>>>>>> box.
>>>>>>> I have several empty rack boxes behind me just waiting for the
>>>>>>> final
>>>>>>> electronics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will be doing beta testing before shipping to customers.  I'll
>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>> everyone informed of progress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for details, I'm still keeping the details close to home.
>>>>>>> Especially now that the Repeater is returning to the market.  I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> think that they could change their electronics that fast, but I'd
>>>>>>> rather not take a chance. As soon as I have the first rack unit
>>>>>>> operational, I will take pictures and release a complete list of
>>>>>>> specifications.  I will say that my goal is to offer all the
>>>>>>> functionality of existing loopers combined with features that
>>>>>>> nobody
>>>>>>> else has.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --On Monday, January 17, 2005 12:31 PM -0600 Doug Cox
>>>>>>> <dougcox@pdq.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those are exciting plans!  I'm intrigued.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you really think you'll be selling a commercial version of the
>>>>>>>> device
>>>>>>>> within a few months?  I'm no expert, but am surprised that
>>>>>>>> you'll be
>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>> to go from prototype to a finished product that quickly.  Is
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> forum where we can keep up with your progress, get some hints
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> functionality, and possibly even participate in beta testing?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dig
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can say very little at this time, but I will say that it will
>>>>>>>>> fit
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> a 1U rack space and will be built on current technology.  There
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> be non-volatile storage for loops and stereo input and output.
>>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>> are other features that I prefer not to disclose at this time,
>>>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>>> will as soon as the first prototype is completed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Probably the biggest selling point is that this looper will not
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> the mercy of a large corporation.  My goal will be to provide
>>>>>>>>> software
>>>>>>>>> upgrades on a regular basis.  The upgrades will be based on the
>>>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>>> requests of the users of this device.  Software upgrades will be
>>>>>>>>> available for download over the Internet.  This will allow me to
>>>>>>>>> offer
>>>>>>>>> the latest and greatest software to all users of this product.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's all I care to say for now.  Back to work on the prototype
>>>>>>>>> unit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --On Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:01 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer
>>>>>>>>> <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bob -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are there any further details you feel comfortable disclosing
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Bob Amstadt" <bob@amstadt.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:41 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: AW: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Expect another looper on the market in a couple of months.
>>>>>>>>>>> Development
>>>>>>>>>>> is going well and I expect to have a prototype completed in
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> month.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --On Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:57 AM -0800 mark sottilaro
>>>>>>>>>>> <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > Hm, I could be wrong, but with the Repeater some blank
>>>>>>>>>>> > space is put before and after each loop so that you
>>>>>>>>>>> > can go back and tweak your loop in and out point.
>>>>>>>>>>> > This takes time and is what currently makes it
>>>>>>>>>>> > impossible to go directly into record.  I'd easily
>>>>>>>>>>> > lose the loop tweak functions as I find the LPA (loop
>>>>>>>>>>> > point assist) stretching function to work fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> >  All this speculation!  Exciting times though.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Mark
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > --- Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> right Rainer !
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I agree
>>>>>>>>>>> >> luca
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> www.unguitar.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Yet, for me, only providing the possibility to go
>>>>>>>>>>> >> directly into overdub
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > after recording a loop would be "a big jump forward
>>>>>>>>>>> >> from the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > functionality of the original unit".
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2005 17:49
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Betreff: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm no accountant, but maybe they managed to wave
>>>>>>>>>>> >> the magic wand of
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > debt restructuring so now they have no R&D costs to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> recoup?  And yeah,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > it's probably made in China now to lower
>>>>>>>>>>> >> manufacturing costs.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > After filtering marketing speak, their description
>>>>>>>>>>> >> of the new version
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > sounded to me like "Fixed some bugs in OS 1.1 and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> put a pretty
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > faceplate on".  More power to them if that's true,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> but I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > expecting a big jump forward from the functionality
>>>>>>>>>>> >> of the original
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > unit.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Jan 15, 2005, at 8:39 AM,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> From: "jondrums" <jondrums@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Date: January 14, 2005 10:08:57 AM PST
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Subject: Re: Electrix Announces....
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> always plenty of them).  If Electrix lost money
>>>>>>>>>>> >> manufacturing these
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> things and selling them for $300-400 how are they
>>>>>>>>>>> >> going to make any
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> money selling them this time around?
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Maybe they moved production offshore and reduced
>>>>>>>>>>> >> manufacturing cost on
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> them? One would hope that they've tackled the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> little problem of making
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> a profit...
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Jon
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > .
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tom Combs, Senior Engineer
>>> SEP, Inc.
>>> 11611 N Meridian Street
>>> Suite 800
>>> Carmel, IN  46032
>>> (317) 843-1640
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>





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Hi

   I got this of the Electrix Forum since I had problems with my=20
Simpletech 256 MBCF
  "Recently I bought Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi=20
SAH05) Ref: CFH512EHG and it works perfectly."

Gunnar Backman
Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
E-mail  brakophonic@telia.com
http://www.brakophonic.com


> As far as I understand it, CFCs destined to work are those with a
> Hitachi chipset (information from Electrix or from their user group,=20=

> and
> they weren't more specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's
> the one which was available when the Repeater was released). From
> sustained write/read speed, you can do the math yourself, ending up=20
> with
> something well below 1MB/s.=09
>
> 	Rainer
>
> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Januar 2005 19:12
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Betreff: CFC Speeds for Repeater
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of
> course came with a pretty small CFC.  In buying a new one for it I
> learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their
> CFC.  I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the
> Repeater.
>
> Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've
> seen as high as 80X.  For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which they
> claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they
> say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I
> tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small
> mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater instantly
> reported "CFC SLOW"
>
> I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the
> same results (stereo looping was too much for it).
>
> So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still =
the
> biggest CFC I've found that works.  Of course.. there's always the 80X
> Lexar (?)
>
>
> Anybody have any other findings?
>
> Thanks!
> Tom
>

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Hi


  I got this of the Electrix Forum since I had problems with my
Simpletech 256 MBCF

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><x-tad-bigger> "Recently I bought
Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi SAH05) Ref: CFH512EHG
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Gunnar Backman

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<excerpt>As far as I understand it, CFCs destined to work are those
with a

Hitachi chipset (information from Electrix or from their user group,
and

they weren't more specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's

the one which was available when the Repeater was released). From

sustained write/read speed, you can do the math yourself, ending up
with

something well below 1MB/s.=09


	Rainer=20


-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----

Von: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]=20

Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Januar 2005 19:12

An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Betreff: CFC Speeds for Repeater



Hi all,


Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of=20

course came with a pretty small CFC.  In buying a new one for it I=20

learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their=20

CFC.  I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the=20

Repeater.


Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've=20

seen as high as 80X.  For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which they=20=


claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they=20

say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I=20

tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small=20

mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater instantly=20=


reported "CFC SLOW"


I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the=20

same results (stereo looping was too much for it).


So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still
the=20

biggest CFC I've found that works.  Of course.. there's always the 80X=20=


Lexar (?)



Anybody have any other findings?


Thanks!

Tom


</excerpt>=

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Yes,i suppose with a quadraphonic system this config.
would make more sense,no?
cheers
Luis



--- Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:

> On Jan 18, 2005, at 19:14, L. Angulo wrote:
> 
> > In doing this configuration... how would you
> output al
> > 5 different signals so you get the true amazing
> sonic
> > experience at the end we can only listen in
> stereo...
> > Luis
> 
> 
> No. The human hearing is capable of detecting the
> direction of a given 
> sound. We can hear if it's coming up front or if it
> comes from behind, 
> from the left, the right, above, below and every
> angel in between.
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
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> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
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not neccesarily, as the EDP does not have 'tracks' as something like the
Repeater does, having more than one allows one to do the 'track' thing as well,
no?

I'm not saying multichannel audio (quad, 5.1, etc) wouldn't be cool as well, but
it's not the only use for multiple EDP's...

peace
-cpr

Quoting "L. Angulo" <labalou2000@yahoo.com>:

> Yes,i suppose with a quadraphonic system this config.
> would make more sense,no?
> cheers
> Luis
> 
> 
> 
> --- Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:
> 
> > On Jan 18, 2005, at 19:14, L. Angulo wrote:
> > 
> > > In doing this configuration... how would you
> > output al
> > > 5 different signals so you get the true amazing
> > sonic
> > > experience at the end we can only listen in
> > stereo...
> > > Luis
> > 
> > 
> > No. The human hearing is capable of detecting the
> > direction of a given 
> > sound. We can hear if it's coming up front or if it
> > comes from behind, 
> > from the left, the right, above, below and every
> > angel in between.
> > 
> > Greetings from Sweden
> > 
> > Per Boysen
> > ---
> > http://www.looproom.com (international)
> > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
> > 
> > 
> > 
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It would be awesome if the repeaters 4 tracks could be
edited and spliced separately...actually panning them
in different positions give you sort of the
feeling..then you wouldnŽt need so many Plexes!
Luis



--- Jesse Lucas <jlucas@neoprimitive.net> wrote:

> And if you turn it up loud enough, you can certainly
> feel where a sound 
> is coming from.
> 
> -J
> 
> 
> 
> Per Boysen wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 2005, at 19:14, L. Angulo wrote:
> > 
> >> In doing this configuration... how would you
> output al
> >> 5 different signals so you get the true amazing
> sonic
> >> experience at the end we can only listen in
> stereo...
> >> Luis
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > No. The human hearing is capable of detecting the
> direction of a given 
> > sound. We can hear if it's coming up front or if
> it comes from behind, 
> > from the left, the right, above, below and every
> angel in between.
> > 
> > Greetings from Sweden
> > 
> > Per Boysen
> > ---
> > http://www.looproom.com (international)
> > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 


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Have to Third that one, myself.  Still think that Joe Taylor (the 
drummer) is gonna end up breaking a few cymbals and drum heads, ... 
thankfully they can't press litigation because of the beating they go 
through...  Ernest Tibbs was playing a Yamaha TRB-6 string bass and was 
very impressive for pretty straight-forward finger plucking, didn't see 
him do a single slap, tap or otherwise.
Allan didn't do any looping, but he did do a lot of swell delays and 
reverse effects for our show.


Lee


On Jan 12, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote:

>> i saw these guys in denton, tx and they were outstanding.
>> i expected holdsworth to be mindblowing, (which he
>> was, of course) but both the bassist and the drummer had me 
>> eyeballing them instead.
>> a must see/hear...
>>
>
> Yep. Same thing here...and I couldn't agree more.
>
> Jeff
>

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I've been using the "Octaver" effect on my old Zoom 8080 for my loop 
bass parts.  I actually like the fact that it doesn't track 
perfectly...the unexpected timbral glitch here or there gives my loops 
this cool "personality".  I've also spent some time with Roland guitar 
synth's and I've never found anything that does a "perfect" bass except 
a bass :-)

Dennis

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On Jan 18, 2005, at 11:49 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
> in China? If I am going to buy something made in a Chinese slave labor 
> facility, it is going to be something I can't get elsewhere, something 
> unique, like the Alesis ModFX series, or Behringer's

considering how much Mackie stuff is made in China now i don't feel bad 
about the idea of buying Uli Behringer's stuff.

i wish there was that mackie ad which showed everyone at the factory 
standing outside waving (i remember it from a few years ago), but 
edited so the text ran "Why are these Mackie employees smiling with 
pink slips in hand? Because we fired a hundred americans and moved 
production to china to bring you LOW LOW PRICES!!!"

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For an interesting perspective on the Behringer/Mackie debate, have a  
chat with Vince Neave at AudioPro (he's the guy who does the fancy  
Repeater mods).  He told me (I'm paraphrasing from memory, so may not  
be accurate) that the Behringer stuff is made at the same factory in  
China as the Mackies (whether labelled 'Made in China' or not), use  
better components then Mackie, have lower noise floor than Mackie,  
better grounding etc etc.  All for a lower price.

 From my own experience, I've only ever used the FCB and patch bay  
thing.  I once tried another rack mini-mixer thing, but found it too  
noisy and the power supply had too much of a hum field for rack use.   
Lots of friends have the little mixers and love them.

Nothing beats a little research on your own.  There seems to be a lot  
of hype on all sides of the debate.  And trying the stuff out in your  
rig, if possible is best of all!

Regards to all,

Ben

On 18 Jan, 2005, at 7:44 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote:

> On Jan 18, 2005, at 11:49 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
>> in China? If I am going to buy something made in a Chinese slave  
>> labor facility, it is going to be something I can't get elsewhere,  
>> something unique, like the Alesis ModFX series, or Behringer's
>
> considering how much Mackie stuff is made in China now i don't feel  
> bad about the idea of buying Uli Behringer's stuff.
>
> i wish there was that mackie ad which showed everyone at the factory  
> standing outside waving (i remember it from a few years ago), but  
> edited so the text ran "Why are these Mackie employees smiling with  
> pink slips in hand? Because we fired a hundred americans and moved  
> production to china to bring you LOW LOW PRICES!!!"
>
> ---
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com
>
>



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Hi Gunnar (and all),

Thanks for the tips! I actually got an e-mail back from Electrix today =20=

saying that to get "the most" out of the Repeater, you do need to use =20=

cards with the Hitachi chipset. They referenced a post on their forum:

http://www.electrixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?=20
Cat=3D0&Number=3D8335&an=3D0&pa
ge=3D0#8335

Following that would seem to give some clues.. apparently Pretec cards =20=

beginning with the code CFH have the right chipset.. but they're tricky =20=

to find.

Off to the trail of bread crumbs,
Tom


On Jan 18, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Gunnar Backman wrote:

> Hi
>
>   I got this of the Electrix Forum since I had problems with my =20
> Simpletech 256 MBCF
>  "Recently I bought Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi =20=

> SAH05) Ref: CFH512EHG and it works perfectly."
>
> Gunnar Backman
> Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
> E-mail  brakophonic@telia.com
> http://www.brakophonic.com
>
>
>> As far as I understand it, CFCs destined to work are those with a
>> Hitachi chipset (information from Electrix or from their user group, =20=

>> and
>> they weren't more specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's
>> the one which was available when the Repeater was released). From
>> sustained write/read speed, you can do the math yourself, ending up =20=

>> with
>> something well below 1MB/s.=09
>>
>> 	Rainer
>>
>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Januar 2005 19:12
>> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Betreff: CFC Speeds for Repeater
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of
>> course came with a pretty small CFC.  In buying a new one for it I
>> learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their
>> CFC.  I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the
>> Repeater.
>>
>> Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've
>> seen as high as 80X.  For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which =
they
>> claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they
>> say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I
>> tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small
>> mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater =
instantly
>> reported "CFC SLOW"
>>
>> I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the
>> same results (stereo looping was too much for it).
>>
>> So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still =20=

>> the
>> biggest CFC I've found that works.  Of course.. there's always the =
80X
>> Lexar (?)
>>
>>
>> Anybody have any other findings?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Tom
>>
>>

Tom Griesgraber
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Hi Gunnar (and all),


Thanks for the tips! I actually got an e-mail back from Electrix today
saying that to get "the most" out of the Repeater, you do need to use
cards with the Hitachi chipset. They referenced a post on their forum:


=
http://www.electrixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=3D0&Number=3D8335&a=
n=3D0&pa

ge=3D0#8335


Following that would seem to give some clues.. apparently Pretec cards
beginning with the code CFH have the right chipset.. but they're
tricky to find.=20


Off to the trail of bread crumbs,

Tom



On Jan 18, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Gunnar Backman wrote:


<excerpt>Hi


  I got this of the Electrix Forum since I had problems with my
Simpletech 256 MBCF

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><x-tad-bigger> "Recently I bought
Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi SAH05) Ref: CFH512EHG
and it works perfectly."

</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>

Gunnar Backman

Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics

E-mail  brakophonic@telia.com

http://www.brakophonic.com

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</color>

<excerpt>As far as I understand it, CFCs destined to work are those
with a

Hitachi chipset (information from Electrix or from their user group,
and

they weren't more specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's

the one which was available when the Repeater was released). From

sustained write/read speed, you can do the math yourself, ending up
with

something well below 1MB/s.=09


	Rainer=20


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Von: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]=20

Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Januar 2005 19:12

An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Betreff: CFC Speeds for Repeater



Hi all,


Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of=20

course came with a pretty small CFC.  In buying a new one for it I=20

learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their=20

CFC.  I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the=20

Repeater.


Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've=20

seen as high as 80X.  For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which they=20=


claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they=20

say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I=20

tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small=20

mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater instantly=20=


reported "CFC SLOW"


I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the=20

same results (stereo looping was too much for it).


So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still
the=20

biggest CFC I've found that works.  Of course.. there's always the 80X=20=


Lexar (?)



Anybody have any other findings?


Thanks!

Tom



</excerpt></excerpt>

Tom Griesgraber

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Dylan,

A couple of days ago I finally got around to opening my EDP to reseat 
the memory sticks.  This seems to work wonders.  The EDP is currently on 
it's 3rd day of running a constant loop - no degredation that I can hear.

If you try this, please post your results.

Thanks,
Tom


Dylan Deanda wrote:
> Hi Tom,
> 
> I'm in the same boat as you.  After leaving a loop muted overnight, I
> come back in the morning and it's degraded to hissy garble.
> 
> I've pondered resetting my memory sticks, though I've never gotten
> around to it to test the theory.
> 
> I look forward to a fix.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Dylan DeAnda
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Combs [mailto:tcombs@sep.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 1:11 PM
> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: EDP Noise Problem (overheating?)
> 
> I have an Oberheim EDP (beige panel, maximum memory) has a noise problem
> and I'm wondering if it may have something to do with the voltage
> regulator overheating issues I read about in the archives.
> 
> Say I record a loop and I leave the unit running for a long time (a few
> hours).  Eventually the loop will deteriorate, and any new overdubs I
> apply at that point also come back immediately degredated.  It kind of
> sounds as if the D/A becomes starved for voltage.  I have noticed that
> my
> unit gets pretty hot right around where I've read the voltage regulator
> lives.
> 
> I should add that turning the unit off for 5-10 seconds fixes the
> problem.
> 
> Another possible symptom is that I notice my loops contain an increased
> level of hiss when compared with the input signal (I notice this
> immediately after I hit record after recording a loop - it isn't due to
> repeated overdubs).  The amount of hiss seems to vary at random.
> Sometimes it's a little noticable but tolerable - other times it's
> downright distracting.  I've read that these units are supposed to be
> quiet and have some of the best audio performance specs of most of the
> loopers that are out there.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom
> 
> 

-- 
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<DIV>"Quintophonic" works for me</DIV>
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<DIV>...all of which reminds me of one of Zippy the Pinhead's greatest brainfarts: "Yow! I am having&nbsp;a quadrophonic sensation of two winos alone in a steel mill!!"</DIV>
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<DIV>And Richard, your Ill Wind page is great... will return to it later for further exploration.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Richard Zvonar <ZVONAR@ZVONAR.COM><BR>Sent: Jan 18, 2005 11:47 AM <BR>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <BR>Subject: Re: How about syncing 5 EDPs ... Mr. LaFosse strikes again <BR><BR></DIV><ZZZHTML><ZZZHEAD>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">Cool!&nbsp; I'm finding the quintophonic (don't pick on my English, please, I'm a Swede) sonic and musical option much more interesting than the syncing issue :-)&nbsp; </BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>"Quintophonic" works for me.</DIV>
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<DIV>I find the idea of going in and out of sync to be intriguing. Nothing new about it (Steve Reich was doing it with his phase pieces in the '60s and '70s) but with modern tools it could be more easily and precisely done. Some thoughts:</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Two or more loops that are initially in sync can be unlocked and allowed to drift until an interesting phase pattern develops, then put back into sync. Just how to get from sync to useful asynchrony would be dependent on the loopers in use. I don't know the EDP, but I've done this sort of thing with a pair of Max-controlled TC2290s.</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Loops can be put into various synchronous and asynchronous relationships: same length but different time offsets, different lengths with small differential to produce drifting effect, different lengths but small-number ratios to produce compound patterns and polymetric effects, dynamic control of the above, using presets that can be created on the fly.</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">Given the the audience sit down inside the "PA circle",&nbsp; just about anything - even non synced washy stuff - has to sound just gorgeous! I think I would set up up pedals for circulating sound at different (beat synced) speed and directions. Doing surround gigs is a dream I've had for long :-)</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>I've been able to do this from time to time. All it takes is more amps and speakers and a reasonable mixer. Some of my earliest delay performances (1976) used a quad speaker system and a pair of 4-track decks (classic time-lag accumulator), with short delays sent to one pair of speakers and long delays to the other.</DIV>
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<DIV>My home studio is 8-channel surround, using NHT SuperOne speakers and a pair of Crown 6-channel amps. The whole setup cost less than $2,000 and could travel easily. I also have four little guitar amps that could do in a pinch, though I've come to the conclusion that for most effects-based and loop music it's better to run direct through a PA. Assuming I had the budget I'd probably get four powered Mackie PA speakers (they sound good for the money) and a 4-bus mixer.</DIV><X-SIGSEP><PRE>-- 
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So Mackie sold out, too, huh? People keep forgetting that if they lay everybody off, who is going to be able to buy their damned products? Also, I hear strange stories that even Chinese workers are getting pink slips as companies try to find even cheaper labor elsewhere.
(Heavy audible sigh)
Yours in Corporate Ethics and Other Oxymorons,
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On Jan 18, 2005, at 11:49 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
> in China? If I am going to buy something made in a Chinese slave labor 
> facility, it is going to be something I can't get elsewhere, something 
> unique, like the Alesis ModFX series, or Behringer's

considering how much Mackie stuff is made in China now i don't feel bad 
about the idea of buying Uli Behringer's stuff.

i wish there was that mackie ad which showed everyone at the factory 
standing outside waving (i remember it from a few years ago), but 
edited so the text ran "Why are these Mackie employees smiling with 
pink slips in hand? Because we fired a hundred americans and moved 
production to china to bring you LOW LOW PRICES!!!"

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Hi
I'm looking for anything about the Lowry guitars
first of all the acoustic but also the electric.
Has anyone got any pictures ? ( or other info )
would be grateful for some help.
(Very interested in the odd looking " tuning design ")

Gunnar Backman
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Hi

I'm looking for anything about the Lowry guitars 

first of all the acoustic but also the electric.

Has anyone got any pictures ? ( or other info ) 

would be grateful for some help.

<x-tad-smaller>(Very interested in the odd looking " tuning design ")</x-tad-smaller>


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At 10:06 AM -0500 1/19/05, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:

>Zippy the Pinhead

Are we having fun yet?


>And Richard, your Ill Wind page is great... will return to it later 
>for further exploration.

Thanks!  When I get time after NAMM I'll work on the history section.
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Tom, 

Last I heard you could still order those cards directly from Pretec. Their
website made them a little difficult to locate, though. I think they're listed
under Industrial Cards or something like that. If they have a search facility on
there, look for Hitachi Series, or just email them directly and see if they can
help you. Several people on the repeater-users yahoo reported buying those cards
(direct from Pretec) and they all worked great in the Repeaters.

Greg

--- Tom Griesgraber <tom@thossounds.com> wrote:

> Hi Gunnar (and all),
> 
> Thanks for the tips! I actually got an e-mail back from Electrix today  
> saying that to get "the most" out of the Repeater, you do need to use  
> cards with the Hitachi chipset. They referenced a post on their forum:
> 
> http://www.electrixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php? 
> Cat=0&Number=8335&an=0&pa
> ge=0#8335
> 
> Following that would seem to give some clues.. apparently Pretec cards  
> beginning with the code CFH have the right chipset.. but they're tricky  
> to find.
> 
> Off to the trail of bread crumbs,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On Jan 18, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Gunnar Backman wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> >
> >   I got this of the Electrix Forum since I had problems with my  
> > Simpletech 256 MBCF
> >  "Recently I bought Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi  
> > SAH05) Ref: CFH512EHG and it works perfectly."
> >
> > Gunnar Backman
> > Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
> > E-mail  brakophonic@telia.com
> > http://www.brakophonic.com
> >
> >
> >> As far as I understand it, CFCs destined to work are those with a
> >> Hitachi chipset (information from Electrix or from their user group,  
> >> and
> >> they weren't more specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's
> >> the one which was available when the Repeater was released). From
> >> sustained write/read speed, you can do the math yourself, ending up  
> >> with
> >> something well below 1MB/s.	
> >>
> >> 	Rainer
> >>
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]
> >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Januar 2005 19:12
> >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> Betreff: CFC Speeds for Repeater
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of
> >> course came with a pretty small CFC.  In buying a new one for it I
> >> learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their
> >> CFC.  I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the
> >> Repeater.
> >>
> >> Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've
> >> seen as high as 80X.  For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which they
> >> claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they
> >> say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I
> >> tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small
> >> mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater instantly
> >> reported "CFC SLOW"
> >>
> >> I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the
> >> same results (stereo looping was too much for it).
> >>
> >> So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still  
> >> the
> >> biggest CFC I've found that works.  Of course.. there's always the 80X
> >> Lexar (?)
> >>
> >>
> >> Anybody have any other findings?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Tom
> >>
> >>
> 
> Tom Griesgraber
> www.thossounds.com
> 760-942-1031
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Remember, slavery didn't end with the civil war, it
just got shipped overseas.

The way to beat it would be to not trade with
countries who don't play by the rules, but tell
Americans that they won't be able to get their Big
Mouth Billy Bass talking fish trophy for under $20 and
you're going to start a fight.

Mark

--- Ben Grossman <nostyle@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> For an interesting perspective on the
> Behringer/Mackie debate, have a  
> chat with Vince Neave at AudioPro (he's the guy who
> does the fancy  
> Repeater mods).  He told me (I'm paraphrasing from
> memory, so may not  
> be accurate) that the Behringer stuff is made at the
> same factory in  
> China as the Mackies (whether labelled 'Made in
> China' or not), use  
> better components then Mackie, have lower noise
> floor than Mackie,  
> better grounding etc etc.  All for a lower price.
> 
>  From my own experience, I've only ever used the FCB
> and patch bay  
> thing.  I once tried another rack mini-mixer thing,
> but found it too  
> noisy and the power supply had too much of a hum
> field for rack use.   
> Lots of friends have the little mixers and love
> them.
> 
> Nothing beats a little research on your own.  There
> seems to be a lot  
> of hype on all sides of the debate.  And trying the
> stuff out in your  
> rig, if possible is best of all!
> 
> Regards to all,
> 
> Ben
> 
> On 18 Jan, 2005, at 7:44 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote:
> 
> > On Jan 18, 2005, at 11:49 AM,
> mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
> >> in China? If I am going to buy something made in
> a Chinese slave  
> >> labor facility, it is going to be something I
> can't get elsewhere,  
> >> something unique, like the Alesis ModFX series,
> or Behringer's
> >
> > considering how much Mackie stuff is made in China
> now i don't feel  
> > bad about the idea of buying Uli Behringer's
> stuff.
> >
> > i wish there was that mackie ad which showed
> everyone at the factory  
> > standing outside waving (i remember it from a few
> years ago), but  
> > edited so the text ran "Why are these Mackie
> employees smiling with  
> > pink slips in hand? Because we fired a hundred
> americans and moved  
> > production to china to bring you LOW LOW
> PRICES!!!"
> >
> > ---
> > Eric Williamson
> > www.suitandtieguy.com
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> -----------------------
> Ben Grossman
> ben@macrophone.org
> http://www.macrophone.org
> http://www.posttraditional.ca
> macrophone.org Oxfam-fundraising T-Shirts!!!   
> http://www.macrophone.org/t-shirt.htm
> 
> 

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Hey,

sorry about the OT, but I can't seem to find anything
about this and I'm stumped.  I've been having great
times with my Roland Hansonic and my Repeater, but I
can't seem to get the Roll sync feature to work.  Is
there some trick that I don't know about?  I have it
set to MIDI but all the MIDI clock in the world does't
seem to change a thing.  Thanks,

Mark

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Hi everyone. I thought I'd crosspost this to Looper's Delight. This is the
open-source live looper I've been working on. It's for Linux, but if enough of
you tickle me I might do a Win/Mac port. Also, if any hardware savvy people
want to step up, we could do an embedded version that would work just like a
rack FX. 

There's demo audio and now a demo video- so you can have a look what the
software does:

http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/video/fw-demo1.avi

Here's the announcement:

>>>

A second public prerelease of FreeWheeling, a linux live looping app, is now
available:

http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/

FreeWheeling is an audio tool for live looping. It provides a highly
configurable, fluid user interface for instrumentalists to capture loops in
real-time. Based on the JACK, ALSA, and SDL libraries, it integrates with
FluidSynth, a software synthesizer.

>>>

Regards,
Mercury


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American Composers Forum of Los Angeles presents:

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acf/LA TECHNOLOGY WORKSHOP 04
==================================  

================================================
HIGH-END CREATIVE RECORDING ON ANY BUDGET
================================================

Presented by Ronan Chris Murphy

Coordinated by Richard Zvonar  

DATE:	Saturday, January 29, 2005
	10:00 AM - 5:00 PM

PLACE:	TuttoMedia
	312 Fifth Avenue (at Rose), Venice, CA 90291
	http://www.tuttomedia.com

RSVP:	tekWorX@composers.la
	(818) 788-2202

LIMITED ENROLLMENT!

FEES (PAYMENT IN ADVANCE PREFERRED!):

$20	ACF members and students
$35	Others

Payment can be made via http://www.PayPal.com to:

tekWorX@composers.la

or by check to:

American Composers Forum of Los Angeles
PO Box 970
Whittier, CA 90608-0970


==================================================

Producer/mixer/engineer Ronan Chris Murphy has been the man behind 
the boards for some of the most innovative artists in music today. 
He has worked with the likes of rock pioneers King Crimson and Terry 
Bozzio to electro-acoustic artists such as Kaija Saariaho and Le Trio 
Collectif.  This special one-day workshop focuses on creative, 
high-end approaches to recording that artists can use for recordings 
of any scale or budget.

This workshop will shed light on the secrets of recording and give 
participants a handle on the art and craft of recording. From rock 
and chamber music to Jazz and electro-acoustic music, Ronan will 
share some of his secrets to getting great sounds, as well as 
teaching what you need to know to unlock your own sonic creativity. 
The material covers recording techniques, as well as things to 
consider when purchasing gear, to get the highest quality recordings 
from your budget

==================================================

Ronan Chris Murphy's credits list reads like a who's who of some of 
the greatest and most adventurous musicians in music today.  A small 
sampling includes the likes of King Crimson, Steve Morse, Chucho 
Valdes, Terry Bozzio, Tony Levin, Ulver and many others.  He was a 
producer in residence at the Banff Centre for the Arts, an audio 
director for the Microsoft Network, and he works internationally with 
his company Veneto West as a producer and mixer.  He also founded 
Home Recording Boot Camp, an artist-centric company that hosts 
courses around the world teaching the art and craft of recording. 
Ronan has performed as an artist and composer for over 20 years and 
currently leads Lives of the Saints, a collaborative electro-acoustic 
project.

http://www.venetowest.com/
http://www.homerecordingbootcamp.com/

==================================================

American Composers Forum of Los Angeles (acf/LA) is a membership 
organization dedicated to supporting the artistic and professional 
growth of composers and to expand the markets for new music through 
audience building, advocacy, community educational programs, 
visibility, workshops, composers residencies, and grants for new 
music projects.

Our technology workshops (tekWorX), technology salons (teXalons), and 
related projects are an ongoing series of public events furthering 
the dissemination of information about music and media technologies 
through presentations by leading practitioners in interactive 
computer music, recording and live sound, digital video performance, 
and other aspects of media art.

http://www.composers.la
http://www.composers.la/la_programs.asp#anchor4



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<div><b>RSVP:</b><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;
</x-tab>tekWorX@composers.la</div>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>(818)
788-2202</div>
<div><tt><font color="#000000"><br></font></tt></div>
<div><b>LIMITED ENROLLMENT!</b></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><b>FEES (PAYMENT IN ADVANCE PREFERRED!):</b></div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote><b>$20</b><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>ACF
members and students</blockquote>
<blockquote><b>$35</b><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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<blockquote>Payment can be made via http://www.PayPal.com
to:</blockquote>
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<blockquote><b>tekWorX@composers.la</b></blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote>or by check to:</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<blockquote><b>American Composers Forum of Los
Angeles</b></blockquote>
<blockquote>PO Box 970</blockquote>
<blockquote>Whittier, CA 90608-0970</blockquote>
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<div><tt><font
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<div>Producer/mixer/engineer<b> Ronan Chris Murphy</b> has been the
man behind the boards for some of the most innovative artists in music
today.&nbsp; He has worked with the likes of rock pioneers King
Crimson and Terry Bozzio to electro-acoustic artists such as Kaija
Saariaho and Le Trio Collectif.&nbsp; This special one-day workshop
focuses on creative, high-end approaches to recording that artists can
use for recordings of any scale or budget.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>This workshop will shed light on the secrets of recording and
give participants a handle on the art and craft of recording. From
rock and chamber music to Jazz and electro-acoustic music, Ronan will
share some of his secrets to getting great sounds, as well as teaching
what you need to know to unlock your own sonic creativity. The
material covers recording techniques, as well as things to consider
when purchasing gear, to get the highest quality recordings from your
budget</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><tt><font
color="#000000">==================================================</font
></tt></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><b>Ronan Chris Murphy</b>'s credits list reads like a who's
who of some of the greatest and most adventurous musicians in music
today.&nbsp; A small sampling includes the likes of King Crimson,
Steve Morse, Chucho Valdes, Terry Bozzio, Tony Levin, Ulver and many
others.&nbsp; He was a producer in residence at the Banff Centre for
the Arts, an audio director for the Microsoft Network, and he works
internationally with his company Veneto West as a producer and mixer.&nbsp;
He also founded Home Recording Boot Camp, an artist-centric company
that hosts courses around the world teaching the art and craft of
recording. Ronan has performed as an artist and composer for over 20
years and currently leads Lives of the Saints, a collaborative
electro-acoustic project.</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote><font
color="#0000FF"><u>http://www.venetowest.com/</u></font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font
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>
<div><br></div>
<div><tt><font
color="#000000">==================================================</font
></tt></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><b>American Composers Forum of Los Angeles
(acf/LA)</b> is a membership organization dedicated to supporting the
artistic and professional growth of composers and to expand the
markets for new music through audience building, advocacy, community
educational programs, visibility, workshops, composers residencies,
and grants for new music projects.</font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000">Our technology workshops (tekWorX),
technology salons (teXalons), and related projects are an ongoing
series of public events furthering the dissemination of information
about music and media technologies through presentations by leading
practitioners in interactive computer music, recording and live sound,
digital video performance, and other aspects of media
art.</font></div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote>http://www.composers.la</blockquote>
<blockquote>http://www.composers.la/la_programs.asp#anchor4</blockquote
>
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Did you just pull out the memory bars, or did you also replace the connector
strips for the SIMM bars? And how about that issue with 4mB SIMMs that have
more than eight chips on them producing extraneous noise or even heavily,
erm, "processed" loops? I have SIMMs with eight chips maximum on them.
Should I look out for other SIMMs to replace them with in order to improve
S/N ratio?

Stephen


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> Dylan,
>
> A couple of days ago I finally got around to opening my EDP to reseat
> the memory sticks.  This seems to work wonders.  The EDP is currently on
> it's 3rd day of running a constant loop - no degredation that I can hear.
>
> If you try this, please post your results.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
> Dylan Deanda wrote:
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > I'm in the same boat as you.  After leaving a loop muted overnight, I
> > come back in the morning and it's degraded to hissy garble.
> >
> > I've pondered resetting my memory sticks, though I've never gotten
> > around to it to test the theory.
> >
> > I look forward to a fix.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Dylan DeAnda
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Combs [mailto:tcombs@sep.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 1:11 PM
> > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: EDP Noise Problem (overheating?)
> >
> > I have an Oberheim EDP (beige panel, maximum memory) has a noise problem
> > and I'm wondering if it may have something to do with the voltage
> > regulator overheating issues I read about in the archives.
> >
> > Say I record a loop and I leave the unit running for a long time (a few
> > hours).  Eventually the loop will deteriorate, and any new overdubs I
> > apply at that point also come back immediately degredated.  It kind of
> > sounds as if the D/A becomes starved for voltage.  I have noticed that
> > my
> > unit gets pretty hot right around where I've read the voltage regulator
> > lives.
> >
> > I should add that turning the unit off for 5-10 seconds fixes the
> > problem.
> >
> > Another possible symptom is that I notice my loops contain an increased
> > level of hiss when compared with the input signal (I notice this
> > immediately after I hit record after recording a loop - it isn't due to
> > repeated overdubs).  The amount of hiss seems to vary at random.
> > Sometimes it's a little noticable but tolerable - other times it's
> > downright distracting.  I've read that these units are supposed to be
> > quiet and have some of the best audio performance specs of most of the
> > loopers that are out there.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Tom
> >
> >
>
> --
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> SEP, Inc.
> 11611 N Meridian Street
> Suite 800
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Ben wrote, quoting the Repeater mod guy:
"He told me (I'm paraphrasing from memory, so may not
be accurate) that the Behringer stuff is made at the same factory in
China as the Mackies (whether labelled 'Made in China' or not), use
better components then Mackie, have lower noise floor than Mackie,
better grounding etc etc.  All for a lower price."


Wow,  I've A-Bed them a couple of times and that is not the truth from what 
I've heard with my own ears.
The cheap Behringer mixers are considerably noisier than the Mackie 1202VLZ 
or the 1402VLZ, both of which
I have used extensively, live.

>From what I heard,  Behringer reverse engineered the Mackies and made them 
look identical,  cutting major cost
on the microphone preamplifiers which are really quiet and transparent in 
the Mackies.

If they are made in the same factory in China (which I don't dispute)  how 
could Behringer charge hundreds of dollars
less for them than the Mackies and stay competitive?  They have had to cut 
costs somewhere and my ears tell me that it
is the mic pre amps where they did.

Any other A-B comparisons out there?

********
I personally was stoked to find the Behringer little mixer that had two mic 
pre-s for under $100 but I bought one, played with it for a day and returned 
it immediately as being way, way too noisy.

Of course,   you will find equally adamant arguments about Analogue 
recording versus Digital recording and Macs versus PCs...................I 
guess it's what works for you and what makes you happy.   Undboubtedly, 
great music could be made on either one. 

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On Jan 19, 2005, at 11:39 PM, loop.pool wrote:
> If they are made in the same factory in China (which I don't dispute)  
> how could Behringer charge hundreds of dollars
> less for them than the Mackies and stay competitive?  They have had to 
> cut costs somewhere and my ears tell me that it

they beat their suppliers TO DEATH.

they are a ruthless company when it comes to component sourcing.

---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com

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    I know this is way off topic, and I'll accept e-mails privately rather
than fill up the LD group with this thread, but... Does anyone know how many
of China's workers are in fact slaves and how many are willingly seeking
factory work because it offers a step up from the feudal farming system they
have suffered under for centuries? My sister-in-law works for a jewelry
company with factories in Beijing and Seoul, she goes to these cities
several times a year, and her perception of their conditions is that it's
difficult - long days, spartan living conditions, low pay - but better than
the feudal farming system that has existed for centuries in the rural areas.
She tells me that the vast majority of workers come willingly to work
because the possibility of saving up some money of their own spells "hope"
to these people who for centuries owned nothing.
    My perception of the media and public voices who use the term "slave
labor" is 1) They are people who are pissed that we are losing jobs to
offshore labor, 2) They are right wing and often overtly fundamentalist
Christian, and/or 3) They equate lower costs with lower quality.
    I'd like to hear (off list) from those that might support the term
"slave labor" with facts and as much direct experience as possible.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Suit & Tie Guy" <erwill@suitandtieguy.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:44 PM
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> On Jan 18, 2005, at 11:49 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
> > in China? If I am going to buy something made in a Chinese slave labor
> > facility, it is going to be something I can't get elsewhere, something
> > unique, like the Alesis ModFX series, or Behringer's
>
> considering how much Mackie stuff is made in China now i don't feel bad
> about the idea of buying Uli Behringer's stuff.
>
> i wish there was that mackie ad which showed everyone at the factory
> standing outside waving (i remember it from a few years ago), but
> edited so the text ran "Why are these Mackie employees smiling with
> pink slips in hand? Because we fired a hundred americans and moved
> production to china to bring you LOW LOW PRICES!!!"
>
> ---
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com
>

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I think this is a very relevant topic. Anyone should be encouraged to care
for how the tools they use are produced. And e.g. avoid using instruments
whose low price is only feasible by exploiting other human beings in the
production process.
If its discussion is to be led off list, it would be great to at least have
its findings posted back to LD.

thx
Bernhard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net]
> Sent: Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2005 16:09
> To: Suit & Tie Guy; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Chinese Slave Labor (was Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: AW:
> AuntiBehringer)
>
>
>     I know this is way off topic, and I'll accept e-mails privately rather
> than fill up the LD group with this thread, but... Does anyone
> know how many
> of China's workers are in fact slaves and how many are willingly seeking
> factory work because it offers a step up from the feudal farming
> system they
> have suffered under for centuries? My sister-in-law works for a jewelry
> company with factories in Beijing and Seoul, she goes to these cities
> several times a year, and her perception of their conditions is that it's
> difficult - long days, spartan living conditions, low pay - but
> better than
> the feudal farming system that has existed for centuries in the
> rural areas.
> She tells me that the vast majority of workers come willingly to work
> because the possibility of saving up some money of their own spells "hope"
> to these people who for centuries owned nothing.
>     My perception of the media and public voices who use the term "slave
> labor" is 1) They are people who are pissed that we are losing jobs to
> offshore labor, 2) They are right wing and often overtly fundamentalist
> Christian, and/or 3) They equate lower costs with lower quality.
>     I'd like to hear (off list) from those that might support the term
> "slave labor" with facts and as much direct experience as possible.
> Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
> coyotelk@optonline.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Suit & Tie Guy" <erwill@suitandtieguy.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: AW: Aunti Behringer
>
>
> > On Jan 18, 2005, at 11:49 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
> > > in China? If I am going to buy something made in a Chinese slave labor
> > > facility, it is going to be something I can't get elsewhere, something
> > > unique, like the Alesis ModFX series, or Behringer's
> >
> > considering how much Mackie stuff is made in China now i don't feel bad
> > about the idea of buying Uli Behringer's stuff.
> >
> > i wish there was that mackie ad which showed everyone at the factory
> > standing outside waving (i remember it from a few years ago), but
> > edited so the text ran "Why are these Mackie employees smiling with
> > pink slips in hand? Because we fired a hundred americans and moved
> > production to china to bring you LOW LOW PRICES!!!"
> >
> > ---
> > Eric Williamson
> > www.suitandtieguy.com
> >
>

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I don't mind offering a slight correction but, there are lefrist Democrats
who use the 'Slave Labor' or 'Cheap Lowcost Labor' term one could simply
cite 'Lou Dobbs' as an example. I think ultimately this issue is a problem
for all of us left, right, republican, democrat, christian fundamentalist,
extremist atheist, American, European, etc..
It effects us all and what the ultimate solution is I don't know...


-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:09 AM
To: Suit & Tie Guy; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Chinese Slave Labor (was Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: AW:
Aunti Behringer)

    I know this is way off topic, and I'll accept e-mails privately rather
than fill up the LD group with this thread, but... Does anyone know how many
of China's workers are in fact slaves and how many are willingly seeking
factory work because it offers a step up from the feudal farming system they
have suffered under for centuries? My sister-in-law works for a jewelry
company with factories in Beijing and Seoul, she goes to these cities
several times a year, and her perception of their conditions is that it's
difficult - long days, spartan living conditions, low pay - but better than
the feudal farming system that has existed for centuries in the rural areas.
She tells me that the vast majority of workers come willingly to work
because the possibility of saving up some money of their own spells "hope"
to these people who for centuries owned nothing.
    My perception of the media and public voices who use the term "slave
labor" is 1) They are people who are pissed that we are losing jobs to
offshore labor, 2) They are right wing and often overtly fundamentalist
Christian, and/or 3) They equate lower costs with lower quality.
    I'd like to hear (off list) from those that might support the term
"slave labor" with facts and as much direct experience as possible.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Suit & Tie Guy" <erwill@suitandtieguy.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: AW: Aunti Behringer


> On Jan 18, 2005, at 11:49 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
> > in China? If I am going to buy something made in a Chinese slave labor
> > facility, it is going to be something I can't get elsewhere, something
> > unique, like the Alesis ModFX series, or Behringer's
>
> considering how much Mackie stuff is made in China now i don't feel bad
> about the idea of buying Uli Behringer's stuff.
>
> i wish there was that mackie ad which showed everyone at the factory
> standing outside waving (i remember it from a few years ago), but
> edited so the text ran "Why are these Mackie employees smiling with
> pink slips in hand? Because we fired a hundred americans and moved
> production to china to bring you LOW LOW PRICES!!!"
>
> ---
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com
>


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 so I'll pop in here. Keep in mind that the first goal of every governing
body is to control it's population, internal stablilty. In the US democra=
ts
and republican party members are part of the same system of population
control. We are simply wage slaves kept submissive by the promise/hope th=
at
we will become one of the wealthy some day. =0D
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s
the same. If you don't believe me, read the documents of the founding
fathers. The body of text surrounding the famous one liners is not that
freedom inspiring. Our government, like other, strongly controls our hist=
ory
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police/mobs called themselves labor organizers. Their crime was the Ameri=
can
dream for the masses. =0D
=0D
I could go on....but this is an audio forum.....let's not begrudge the po=
or
a job, no matter how under valued/paid they are. We all need to feed our
children. =0D
=0D
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     Who's with me on hating LED Meters? =0D
     I want old fashion needled!  =0D
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From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D
Date: 01/20/05 08:00:26=0D
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D
Subject: RE: Chinese Slave Labor (was Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: A=
W:
Aunti Behringer)=0D
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I don't mind offering a slight correction but, there are lefrist Democrat=
s=0D
who use the 'Slave Labor' or 'Cheap Lowcost Labor' term one could simply=0D
cite 'Lou Dobbs' as an example. I think ultimately this issue is a proble=
m=0D
for all of us left, right, republican, democrat, christian fundamentalist=
,=0D
extremist atheist, American, European, etc..=0D
It effects us all and what the ultimate solution is I don't know...=0D
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-----Original Message-----=0D
From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net]=0D
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:09 AM=0D
To: Suit & Tie Guy; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D
Subject: Chinese Slave Labor (was Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: AW:=0D
Aunti Behringer)=0D
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    I know this is way off topic, and I'll accept e-mails privately rathe=
r=0D
than fill up the LD group with this thread, but... Does anyone know how m=
any=0D
of China's workers are in fact slaves and how many are willingly seeking=0D
factory work because it offers a step up from the feudal farming system t=
hey=0D
have suffered under for centuries? My sister-in-law works for a jewelry=0D
company with factories in Beijing and Seoul, she goes to these cities=0D
several times a year, and her perception of their conditions is that it's=
=0D
difficult - long days, spartan living conditions, low pay - but better th=
an=0D
the feudal farming system that has existed for centuries in the rural are=
as.=0D
She tells me that the vast majority of workers come willingly to work=0D
because the possibility of saving up some money of their own spells "hope=
"=0D
to these people who for centuries owned nothing.=0D
    My perception of the media and public voices who use the term "slave=0D
labor" is 1) They are people who are pissed that we are losing jobs to=0D
offshore labor, 2) They are right wing and often overtly fundamentalist=0D
Christian, and/or 3) They equate lower costs with lower quality.=0D
    I'd like to hear (off list) from those that might support the term=0D
"slave labor" with facts and as much direct experience as possible.=0D
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large=0D
coyotelk@optonline.net=0D
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----- Original Message -----=0D
From: "Suit & Tie Guy" <erwill@suitandtieguy.com>=0D
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=0D
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:44 PM=0D
Subject: Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: AW: Aunti Behringer=0D
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> On Jan 18, 2005, at 11:49 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:=0D
> > in China? If I am going to buy something made in a Chinese slave labo=
r=0D
> > facility, it is going to be something I can't get elsewhere, somethin=
g=0D
> > unique, like the Alesis ModFX series, or Behringer's=0D
>=0D
> considering how much Mackie stuff is made in China now i don't feel bad=
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> about the idea of buying Uli Behringer's stuff.=0D
>=0D
> i wish there was that mackie ad which showed everyone at the factory=0D
> standing outside waving (i remember it from a few years ago), but=0D
> edited so the text ran "Why are these Mackie employees smiling with=0D
> pink slips in hand? Because we fired a hundred americans and moved=0D
> production to china to bring you LOW LOW PRICES!!!"=0D
>=0D
> ---=0D
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<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DVerdana>&nbsp;so I'll pop in here. Keep in=
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 that we will become&nbsp;one of the wealthy some day.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DD>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DVerdana>&nbsp;Given, the US system is&nbsp=
;softer on the skin than others....but the goal is the same. If you don't=
 believe me, read the documents of the founding fathers.&nbsp;The body of=
 text surrounding the famous one liners&nbsp;is not that&nbsp;freedom ins=
piring. Our government, like other, strongly controls our history. Keep i=
n mind in the 1800's anarchist whom were jailed, hung or shot by police/m=
obs called themselves labor organizers. Their crime was the American drea=
m for the masses. </FONT></DIV>
<DD>
<DIV align=3Dleft>I could go on....but this is an audio forum.....let's n=
ot begrudge the poor a job, no matter how under valued/paid they are. We =
all need to feed our children. </DIV></DD>
<DIV align=3Dleft>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Who's with me on hating LED Me=
ters?&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I want old fashion needled!&nb=
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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> 01/20/05 08:=
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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> RE: Chine=
se Slave Labor (was Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: AW: Aunti Behringer=
)</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I don't mind offering a slight correction but, there are lefrist Dem=
ocrats</DIV>
<DIV>who use the 'Slave Labor' or 'Cheap Lowcost Labor' term one could si=
mply</DIV>
<DIV>cite 'Lou Dobbs' as an example. I think ultimately this issue is a p=
roblem</DIV>
<DIV>for all of us left, right, republican, democrat, christian fundament=
alist,</DIV>
<DIV>extremist atheist, American, European, etc..</DIV>
<DIV>It effects us all and what the ultimate solution is I don't know...<=
/DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>-----Original Message-----</DIV>
<DIV>From: Douglas Baldwin [<A href=3D"mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net">mai=
lto:coyotelk@optonline.net</A>]</DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:09 AM</DIV>
<DIV>To: Suit &amp; Tie Guy; <A href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-de=
light.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Chinese Slave Labor (was Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: =
AW:</DIV>
<DIV>Aunti Behringer)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I know this is way off topic, and I'll accep=
t e-mails privately rather</DIV>
<DIV>than fill up the LD group with this thread, but... Does anyone know =
how many</DIV>
<DIV>of China's workers are in fact slaves and how many are willingly see=
king</DIV>
<DIV>factory work because it offers a step up from the feudal farming sys=
tem they</DIV>
<DIV>have suffered under for centuries? My sister-in-law works for a jewe=
lry</DIV>
<DIV>company with factories in Beijing and Seoul, she goes to these citie=
s</DIV>
<DIV>several times a year, and her perception of their conditions is that=
 it's</DIV>
<DIV>difficult - long days, spartan living conditions, low pay - but bett=
er than</DIV>
<DIV>the feudal farming system that has existed for centuries in the rura=
l areas.</DIV>
<DIV>She tells me that the vast majority of workers come willingly to wor=
k</DIV>
<DIV>because the possibility of saving up some money of their own spells =
"hope"</DIV>
<DIV>to these people who for centuries owned nothing.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My perception of the media and public voices=
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<DIV>labor" is 1) They are people who are pissed that we are losing jobs =
to</DIV>
<DIV>offshore labor, 2) They are right wing and often overtly fundamental=
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<DIV>Christian, and/or 3) They equate lower costs with lower quality.</DI=
V>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'd like to hear (off list) from those that =
might support the term</DIV>
<DIV>"slave labor" with facts and as much direct experience as possible.<=
/DIV>
<DIV>Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net">coyotelk@optonline.net</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message -----</DIV>
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<DIV>Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: AW: Aunti Behringer</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; On Jan 18, 2005, at 11:49 AM, <A href=3D"mailto:mungenast@earth=
link.net">mungenast@earthlink.net</A> wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; in China? If I am going to buy something made in a Chinese=
 slave labor</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; facility, it is going to be something I can't get elsewher=
e, something</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; unique, like the Alesis ModFX series, or Behringer's</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; considering how much Mackie stuff is made in China now i don't =
feel bad</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; about the idea of buying Uli Behringer's stuff.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; i wish there was that mackie ad which showed everyone at the fa=
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<DIV>&gt; standing outside waving (i remember it from a few years ago), b=
ut</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; edited so the text ran "Why are these Mackie employees smiling =
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<DIV>&gt; pink slips in hand? Because we fired a hundred americans and mo=
ved</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; production to china to bring you LOW LOW PRICES!!!"</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; ---</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; Eric Williamson</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; <A href=3D"http://www.suitandtieguy.com">www.suitandtieguy.com<=
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As for Behringer mixers, IŽve pointed out in various forums that thereŽs a
huge variability among them. If you have a very old model from, say, 1996
(easily distinguishable by their dark grey livery and, in the case of the
MX2642 IŽm always referring to, missing preamp pots and simple three-band EQ
in the stereo section), these units are rotten pieces of junk, agreed. Later
they improved on the design and first added a decent EQ and a input level
pot to the stereo section (these models have a grey livery). The final
production run (then called MX2642A, which comes in silver livery) featured
redesigned preamps which make this a really good-sounding mixer for the
price (they were keen to offload them when the new series was introduced and
consequently, many dealers sold these mixers for 200 Euros new). I have one
as my main mixer (seriously), and especially for looping applications and
flexible fx and looper routings, this is the best portable 19" mixer
available. The preamps are relatively quiet (even quieter than my old
Soundtracs console, and a lot quieter than the original 2642 design), the EQ
section is decent (if I ever use EQ, IŽm using proToolsŽ EQ Rack plug-in
anyway) and the sound is very transparent (in contrast to the original 2642
from around 1996 which sounded like there were pillows in front of the
speakers). I would not hesitate to get me another one (and believe me, I
have every reason to slag off Behringer, having once been a freelance
employee).

The designs are clearly Mackie-inspired (too close for comfort for Mackie, I
believe) but I know the designer of the Eurodesk series who clearly stayed
away from MackieŽs designs technically.

Other Behringer stuff is -- I have to second that -- plain BS. The
Virtualizer sounds worse than my old Dynacord DRS-78 and was noisier than my
AKG BX-15, and their RSP Hush 2000 rip-off was adding more noise to a signal
than reducing it. And talking about their valve-based Vintager series...
rumour has it that valves were only used for decoration ("look it glows in
the dark") but not for musical reasons...

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> Ben wrote, quoting the Repeater mod guy:
> "He told me (I'm paraphrasing from memory, so may not
> be accurate) that the Behringer stuff is made at the same factory in
> China as the Mackies (whether labelled 'Made in China' or not), use
> better components then Mackie, have lower noise floor than Mackie,
> better grounding etc etc.  All for a lower price."
>
>
> Wow,  I've A-Bed them a couple of times and that is not the truth from
what
> I've heard with my own ears.
> The cheap Behringer mixers are considerably noisier than the Mackie
1202VLZ
> or the 1402VLZ, both of which
> I have used extensively, live.
>
> From what I heard,  Behringer reverse engineered the Mackies and made them
> look identical,  cutting major cost
> on the microphone preamplifiers which are really quiet and transparent in
> the Mackies.
>
> If they are made in the same factory in China (which I don't dispute)  how
> could Behringer charge hundreds of dollars
> less for them than the Mackies and stay competitive?  They have had to cut
> costs somewhere and my ears tell me that it
> is the mic pre amps where they did.
>
> Any other A-B comparisons out there?
>
> ********
> I personally was stoked to find the Behringer little mixer that had two
mic
> pre-s for under $100 but I bought one, played with it for a day and
returned
> it immediately as being way, way too noisy.
>
> Of course,   you will find equally adamant arguments about Analogue
> recording versus Digital recording and Macs versus PCs...................I
> guess it's what works for you and what makes you happy.   Undboubtedly,
> great music could be made on either one.
>

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Not mine but maybe of interest for European loopers:

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Apologies for having wasted bandwidth,

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Not mine but maybe of interest for =
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      I also see alot of US workers as wage slaves. Paying rent seems a form 
of indenture to me.The term Landlord is  fuedal. Education is compulsory and 
geared (despite the efforts of many caring teachers who don't choose 
curricula) to training obediant workers who will produce on schedule and 
accept forced compettitive hierarchy.The cognitive dissonance between this 
and true liberty is quite stark ,in my view.I'm not convinced that  sitting 
in one spot indoors doing toxic industrial production is necessarily a step 
up from fuedal farm work,which does allow people contact w/ nature and good 
exercise,but having no first hand experience ,I can't tell what Chinese 
workers  think. China is poised to dominate the world economy,and the sort 
of rising level of expectation that marked US economy in the 20th century is 
the likely course.Hard to tell if Chinese workers will fight for better 
conditions and rewards ,but the prospect  of  Bigger, Better, More is sure 
to motivate them as disciplined workers in a way the US has outgrown,and 
Japan is outgrowing.Seems like it doesn't take many generations of consumer 
goods overload to wipe much of the memory of hundreds of generations of 
abject serfdom  from the collective "consciousness"


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Mackie stuff is better period.
Behringer stuff is cheap which I thank them for being however...

Mackie for me are the company doing the great work coming up with
brilliant product like the mackie control which is the only decent
affordable computer control surface. Behringer are simply a company
that takes other peoples great ideas and tries to make them as cheaply
as possible which is nice ... however if you always buy the cheap
imitation the great companies of which there are very few like Mackie
whose products have both excellent ergonomic performance as well as
audio performance will die...
And then there will be less really well designed products for us to
use.....
Thats what sets a great product from a simply value product is the
thought that goes into the overall design.

The Mackie control is the only computer product I have bought in ages
which works as it should with no effort on my part from the moment I
plugged it in, That speaks volumes!
Geoff






Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote on 20.01.2005, 07:17:25:
> On Jan 19, 2005, at 11:39 PM, loop.pool wrote:
> > If they are made in the same factory in China (which I don't dispute)  
> > how could Behringer charge hundreds of dollars
> > less for them than the Mackies and stay competitive?  They have had to 
> > cut costs somewhere and my ears tell me that it
> 
> they beat their suppliers TO DEATH.
> 
> they are a ruthless company when it comes to component sourcing.
> 
> ---
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com

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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> RE: Chine=
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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I also see alot of US workers as=
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<DIV>of indenture to me.The term Landlord is&nbsp;&nbsp;fuedal. Education=
 is compulsory and</DIV>
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<DIV>accept forced compettitive hierarchy.The cognitive dissonance betwee=
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<DIV>and true liberty is quite stark ,in my view.I'm not convinced that&n=
bsp;&nbsp;sitting</DIV>
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<DIV>exercise,but having no first hand experience ,I can't tell what Chin=
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<DIV>workers&nbsp;&nbsp;think. China is poised to dominate the world econ=
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<DIV>to motivate them as disciplined workers in a way the US has outgrown=
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<DIV>Japan is outgrowing.Seems like it doesn't take many generations of c=
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<DIV>goods overload to wipe much of the memory of hundreds of generations=
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Subject: Re: Chinese Slave Labor (was Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: AW: Aunti Behringer)
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On Jan 20, 2005, at 9:08 AM, Douglas Baldwin wrote:
> than fill up the LD group with this thread, but... Does anyone know 
> how many
> of China's workers are in fact slaves and how many are willingly 
> seeking

i know nothing about chinese labour other than it's cheap and theres 50 
billion of them.

there are two reasons i have a problem with this:

A) american companies need to stop this offshore factory migration. yes 
i shop at wal-mart thank you for asking, but i'm often in Peoria when 
it is too late to shop anywhere else and they would probably have my 
money if everything cost a bit more. if we had a one-page tax code 
instead of a one-million page tax code maybe these corporations 
wouldn't find tax incentives to move offshore (factories to china, 
"home office" to bermuda ... pretty soon they aren't even in your 
country anymore). this is an international list, i don't really mean to 
sound so US-centric but know nothing about the situation in germany or 
other countries.

B) chinese factories are more likely to use people instead of robots 
because there are plenty of people, even though robots are better for 
alot of things. this is one of the reasons Mackie SR1530s have a 50% 
return rate for lack of functioning from the local Guitar Center.

the other reason is they fill a container up with unpadded tightly 
formed boxes of speakers with no packing material and put them on a 
boat, and then have Gigantor drop-kick the container across the 
dockyard for shits and giggles just to make sure that when Suit & Tie 
Guy opens up his box of brand-new SR1530s the grilles are all bent out 
of shape and the horn drivers don't work. and the cabinet is CRACKED.

> My perception of the media and public voices who use the term "slave
> labor" is 1) They are people who are pissed that we are losing jobs to
> offshore labor, 2) They are right wing and often overtly fundamentalist
> Christian, and/or 3) They equate lower costs with lower quality.

I used the term "slave labor" because someone else did.

if i were to talk about third-world labour i would use the term 
"sweatshop", not "slavery". that doesn't mean i think Nike is a cool 
company.

china doesn't scare me because of sweatshops and walmart.

billions of men who can't get laid and have nuclear weapons scare me.

---
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>Did you just pull out the memory bars, or did you also replace the connector
>strips for the SIMM bars? And how about that issue with 4mB SIMMs that have
>more than eight chips on them producing extraneous noise or even heavily,
>erm, "processed" loops? I have SIMMs with eight chips maximum on them.

more is useless

>Should I look out for other SIMMs to replace them with in order to improve
>S/N ratio?

no, either it works or it does not, if not, the noise is huge

>Stephen
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>"Our land is a rape machine, IŽd go outside if it looked the other way. You
>wouldnŽt believe the things they do." (Gary Numan / "Down in the Park")
>
>Visit the official [Žramp] website at www.doombient.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Combs" <tcombs@sep.com>
>To: <dylan@aops-eds.com>
>Cc: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:26 PM
>Subject: Re: EDP Noise Problem (overheating?)
>
>
>>  Dylan,
>>
>>  A couple of days ago I finally got around to opening my EDP to reseat
>>  the memory sticks.  This seems to work wonders.  The EDP is currently on
>>  it's 3rd day of running a constant loop - no degredation that I can hear.
>>
>>  If you try this, please post your results.
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Tom
>>
>>
>>  Dylan Deanda wrote:
>>  > Hi Tom,
>>  >
>>  > I'm in the same boat as you.  After leaving a loop muted overnight, I
>>  > come back in the morning and it's degraded to hissy garble.
>>  >
>>  > I've pondered resetting my memory sticks, though I've never gotten
>>  > around to it to test the theory.
>>  >
>>  > I look forward to a fix.
>>  >
>>  > Best regards,
>>  >
>>  > Dylan DeAnda
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > -----Original Message-----
>>  > From: Tom Combs [mailto:tcombs@sep.com]
>>  > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 1:11 PM
>>  > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
>>  > Subject: EDP Noise Problem (overheating?)
>>  >
>>  > I have an Oberheim EDP (beige panel, maximum memory) has a noise problem
>>  > and I'm wondering if it may have something to do with the voltage
>>  > regulator overheating issues I read about in the archives.
>>  >
>>  > Say I record a loop and I leave the unit running for a long time (a few
>>  > hours).  Eventually the loop will deteriorate, and any new overdubs I
>>  > apply at that point also come back immediately degredated.  It kind of
>>  > sounds as if the D/A becomes starved for voltage.  I have noticed that
>>  > my
>>  > unit gets pretty hot right around where I've read the voltage regulator
>>  > lives.
>>  >
>>  > I should add that turning the unit off for 5-10 seconds fixes the
>>  > problem.
>>  >
>>  > Another possible symptom is that I notice my loops contain an increased
>>  > level of hiss when compared with the input signal (I notice this
>>  > immediately after I hit record after recording a loop - it isn't due to
>>  > repeated overdubs).  The amount of hiss seems to vary at random.
>>  > Sometimes it's a little noticable but tolerable - other times it's
>>  > downright distracting.  I've read that these units are supposed to be
>>  > quiet and have some of the best audio performance specs of most of the
>>  > loopers that are out there.
>>  >
>>  > Thanks in advance,
>>  > Tom
>>  >
>>  >
>>
>>  --
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>>  SEP, Inc.
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>>


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 Any of you ever hear Jamie Liddell (solo) he utilizes looping in his solo
vocal performances. I have no idea what he actually uses as a looper
(software?, hardware?) but, he definately makes use of some intersting
proccessing to create his solo performances. I tried to locate some clips of
hime doing this but, alas I could find anything that worked and only found
some material of him performing/recording with a DJ type. I actually only
found out about him by accident as I listening to a performance of a friend
and violinist from the UK and he was on the bill right before that band
'Toolshed'. The Violinist was one of the later derivations members of 'Gong'
(Gong formed by former early Soft Machine guitarist Daevid Allen
http://www.planetgong.co.uk/) Well if you are intersted in hearing this you
can check it out on BBC Radio 3 this Saturday 6:00 PM EST/22:00 UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/mixingit/pip/h4p3q/ . This is a rebroadcast from
last year and he is the first on the bill so, you get to hear him right away
in the broadcast. I think you will find him very intersting and if I could
get a CD of this I would but, I can't seem to locate one?
Here are the best links I could find on Liddell 
http://www.loadedrecords.com/Loaded.htm
http://www.supercollider.info/
http://www.no-future.com/
And there not very informative either if you bother to listen to this do
listen to the band that follows too Toolshed http://www.tool-shed.com/
consisting of Graham Massey (808 State) and Graham Clark (Gong Maison) and
others as they are quite good even if they don't loop.
Later

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At 18:06 20/01/05, you wrote:
>As for Behringer mixers, IŽve pointed out in various forums that thereŽs a
>huge variability among them. If you have a very old model from, say, 1996
>(easily distinguishable by their dark grey livery and, in the case of the
>MX2642 IŽm always referring to, missing preamp pots and simple three-band EQ
>in the stereo section), these units are rotten pieces of junk, agreed.

I have that exact model :-)
Sounds OK,
and never had noise problems.
(and I never missed those extra controls, after the initial angst)

I've had acceptable results using the mic-pre's,
though i generally just bypass them.


>  Later
>they improved on the design and first added a decent EQ and a input level
>pot to the stereo section (these models have a grey livery). The final
>production run (then called MX2642A, which comes in silver livery) featured
>redesigned preamps

the same pre-amps as in their cheapest new stuff?
(they call them the same)


as the unit cost considerably less after the re-design,
and has a couple more features,
i'd be wondering if re-design is about quality or cost .

The earlier Behringer stuff, for instance, used to have toroidal
transformers, the later stuff has cheap ones that hum.

So.... always try before you buy.

>  which make this a really good-sounding mixer for the
>price (they were keen to offload them when the new series was introduced and
>consequently, many dealers sold these mixers for 200 Euros new).

that's a good deal,
the original 2642 was GBŁ600



If you want "great sounding pre-amp", get a purpose built pre-amp from a 
company that does pro audio gear, the difference will be obvious.
.....forget Behringer-Mackie etc.



andy butler






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At 18:06 20/01/05, you wrote:
>And talking about their valve-based Vintager series...
>rumour has it that valves were only used for decoration ("look it glows in
>the dark") but not for musical reasons...

I can confirm that the valve glow comes from an LED behind the valve.
They even delay the switch on just like a valve.

I can also confirm that the valve is indeed part of the circuitry, I 
exchanged a unit under
warrantee because of valve noise.
(they don't light up when run at low voltage)

andy butler (alright, I'll shut up now) 

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Hi there,

I've recently begun using a Boomerang to create live rhythm beds in a didgeridoo
/ Theremin duo.  I've been using sends from my stage mixer to stack drum machine
rhythms with live hand drums, shakers and bass guitar.  This set up has several
inherent challenges and I'm hoping to figure out some better ways to approach
this kind of looping.  In particular, I'm looking for a better looping device.

My first concern with the Rang is loss of stereo.  I really like stereo drum
mixes and delay settings in a live setting.  I've been reading specs on several
other looping devices and the only close solution that I've seen is that two
Echoplex units can be synced together.  Does anyone know if 2 EDPs can be
synched up and triggered in tandem by a foot controller ?  Anyone know of
another stereo phrase sampler out there ?

The Rang has provided me with a great intro to live looping.  It's incredibly
user friendly.  But, I've also found its inability to unstack or save loops to
be quite limiting.  Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

John Armstrong
LEO .fx
http://www.brassmonkeyproductions.com/artist/LEOfx.html

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I'm also using a 2642A, which replaced my Spirit
Folio; I can't say it sounds *better* than the
Soundcraft, but those aux sends sure are handy.

-t-

--- wavecomputer360 <wavecomputer360@gmx.de> wrote:

> ...The final
> production run (then called MX2642A, which comes in
> silver livery) featured
> redesigned preamps which make this a really
> good-sounding mixer for the
> price (they were keen to offload them when the new
> series was introduced and
> consequently, many dealers sold these mixers for 200
> Euros new). I have one
> as my main mixer (seriously), and especially for
> looping applications and
> flexible fx and looper routings, this is the best
> portable 19" mixer
> available. The preamps are relatively quiet (even
> quieter than my old
> Soundtracs console, and a lot quieter than the
> original 2642 design)


		
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On Jan 20, 2005, at 21:35, Alan Kroeger wrote:

>  Any of you ever hear Jamie Liddell (solo) he utilizes looping in his 
> solo
> vocal performances. I have no idea what he actually uses as a looper
> (software?, hardware?) but, he definately makes use of some intersting
> proccessing to create his solo performances.

He uses MAX.

Greetings from Sweden

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http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/050108.html

I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic,
ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other 
genres.  The
show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the
internet.  I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.

                    Show #59                    January 8, 2005.

Phase I/Space:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
===============================
VA [Hemisphere and      X-truders                Out There Lies the Truth
  Ron Boots]                                       (Groove)
VA [Johannes Munz and   Beyond                   Out There Lies the Truth
  Robert Marselje]                                 (Groove)
VA [JeanPaul van        Borderline               Out There Lies the Truth
  Engelen and Robert Marselje]                     (Groove)
VA [Kees Aerts and      Superficial Analysis of  Out There Lies the Truth
  Ron Boots]              the Unsound Mind         (Groove)


Phase II/Eclectic:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
===============================
VA [Schulman and Loman] Gymnopodie #2            Instrumental Dreams (Spring
                                                   Hill)
VA [Spotted Eagle]      In Sunrise I Walk        Instrumental Dreams (Spring
                                                   Hill)
Tim White and           Morning Song             Morning Song, Evening Song
  Jack Gates                                       (none)
VA [Lesiem]             Humilitas                Spiritual Chillout 
(Intentcity)
California Guitar Trio  Atlantis                 Whitewater (InsideOut)
Yoshida Brothers        Mirage                   Yoshida Brothers II (Domo)


Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
===============================
Marillion               Neverland                Marbles (Intact)
RPWL                    Everything Was Not       World Through My Eyes
                          Enough                   (InsideOut)
Jordan Rudess           What Four                Rhythm of Time (Magna 
Carta)
Soft Works              Seven Formerly           Abracadabra (Tone Center)


 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

I return to the AM/FM Show on this Saturday, January 22.

Bill
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ok, I'll bite on the OT flame...

> billions of men who can't get laid and have nuclear weapons scare me.

Just curious, but do they wear funny costumes and hang outside your 
house?!  Or is it just the thought that scares you...
I take it this is in jest given your exaggeration of population numbers, 
but it works both ways.

the thought of millions of christians (not exactly the world's 
casanovas) with more nuclear weapons than the chinese and a written 
eschatology (a belief in the necessity of the end of the world) that 
demands the purging of non-christians scares me!  Just the thought of 
someone with a finger on the trigger looking to prove the bible right 
has to inspire some form of anxiety...

all in fun,

michael

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Yeah I did locate some samples of his earlier effort but, this vocal looping
tecnique of his is fabulous. If you haven't heard this you should give it a
listen few things impress these days and this did. I wasn't expecting it I
was just waiting to listen to Graham Clark and Graham Massey perform with
Toolshed it was a very pleasant surprise indeed.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:41 PM
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On Jan 20, 2005, at 21:35, Alan Kroeger wrote:

>  Any of you ever hear Jamie Liddell (solo) he utilizes looping in his 
> solo vocal performances. I have no idea what he actually uses as a 
> looper (software?, hardware?) but, he definately makes use of some 
> intersting proccessing to create his solo performances.

He uses MAX.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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I once lived for 3 months with a Tribe in Northan Thailand. They would get 
up late, the women went to a small factory that made Plastic "Widgets", the 
men did a bit of farming / goat tending, there was usually pig to eat, 
around a roaring fire, as everyone danced clapped and played music, drinking 
and smoking, and having a great time, every night! I came back home after a 
while to find myself on a tube train in London at 7 o'clock in the morning 
with backpack and 16mm camera. I was dumbstruck by the men in bowler hats, 
and incredibly miserable angst ridden ugly people that surrounded me on 
their way to work. It was all I could do to stop myself from screaming 
"You're all fucking MAD!!!"

I didnt, and 10 years later, I write this in an office, having come to work 
by T-bahn (Norwegian Tube/Metro/subway). At the moment the way that we treat 
our poorer nations is abominable, I myself farm out a lot of simple boring 
projects to an Indian "partner" that I have in my company... They are 
CHEAP... and work hard... and to a very high standard. We cannot avoid this 
dichotomy, but we must be aware of it. Dont complain, when you next go to 
Goa, and complain.. "It more expensive than in '78,  then you used to be 
able to live for a week on a dollar!"

...just rambling.. so some SPAM instead:

I just released a CD/card on synesthetic recordings here in Norway, its 
called FISH! and you can get details of it and all my prevous CDR releases 
here www.markfrancombe.com

AND (will remind closer to the date) I will be performing live over the 
internet on ResonanceFM (on the dial in London www.resonancefm.com the rest 
of the world) on the 10th of Feb. I will be "Jammin" with  Midori Hirano in 
Tokyo (curently with an ep out with Soundz from Nowhere), John Kannenberg 
(from the Stasisfield mp3/CDR label) in the US
For more info heres the resonance page 
http://www.resonancefm.com/listings/20050210.html. The system is a file 
sharing and looping program, developed by Furthurnoise.com. We all upload 
mp3 files beforehand, and on the night we interact with each other. I have 
never met these people, but we are emailing a few suggestions back and 
forth... should be fun... be great if some of you can listen!

Mark







www.markfrancombe.com 

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On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:49 PM, mjnoble wrote:
> the thought of millions of christians (not exactly the world's 
> casanovas)


dude, i don't know what countries you're talking about but the rest of 
the world has a roughly a 45/55 to 55/45 mix of men and women. china's 
ludicrous population control policy of one child only encourages the 
abortion of millions of unborn girls (and the murder of born girls) 
because they want sons instead. this is throwing china's sexuality 
completely out of balance.

as a matter of stereotype fundamentalist islam and fundamentalist 
judaism and fundamentalist christianity all frown on promiscuity, 
premarital sex, and unnecessary sexual activity (which its 
practitioners often indulge in regardless), but when it's SIMPLY NOT 
POSSIBLE for a certain percentage because of the numbers then it 
becomes a big deal.

i really thought this was common knowledge. sorry i didn't explain 
myself.
---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com

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Dear eBay MemberDear loopdwellers

This is a rare occasion that I post a HTML mail to this forum.
But it is the second putative mail I get from a sender pretending to be
eBay.
The worst trick is that he tries to make me click on a link that looks as if
it were originating from eBay
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:sin_US, yet when you look at the underlying HTML-source code, you see it's
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http://lounge.roomfour.net/image/index.html.
The domain roomfour.net is actually registered in Germany.

Since I know that my email address was harvested from loopersdelight
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What I want to say: DON'T react to this mail if you received it,too.

Best,
Bernhard
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Dear eBay MemberHi Bernhard,=20
happy you are here.
I've received that e.mail too.
Forward it to spoof@ebay.com , so they can investigate about it.
Bye
fabio
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Bernhard Wagner=20
  To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:00 AM
  Subject: security issue: eBay Account Suspended


  Dear loopdwellers

  This is a rare occasion that I post a HTML mail to this forum.
  But it is the second putative mail I get from a sender pretending to =
be eBay.
  The worst trick is that he tries to make me click on a link that looks =
as if it were originating from eBay =
http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&ssPageName=3Dh=
?-fom:sin_US, yet when you look at the underlying HTML-source code, you =
see it's actually pointing to the location: =
http://lounge.roomfour.net/image/index.html.
  The domain roomfour.net is actually registered in Germany.

  Since I know that my email address was harvested from loopersdelight =
archive, I presume that other victims are to be found on this list.

  What I want to say: DON'T react to this mail if you received it,too.

  Best,
  Bernhard
  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: Freitag, 21. Januar 2005 09:17
  To: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz
  Subject: eBay Account Suspended



      =20


  Dear eBay Member,=20

  Due to recent account takeovers and unauthorized listings, eBay is =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D#000080>Hi Bernhard, =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D#000080>happy you are =
here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D#000080>I've received that=20
e.mail&nbsp;too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D#000080>Forward it to <A=20
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investigate about=20
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D#000080>Bye</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D#000080>fabio</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=3Dloopdelightml@nosuch.biz=20
  href=3D"mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz">Bernhard Wagner</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 21, 2005 =
11:00=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> security issue: eBay =
Account=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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forum.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>But=20
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be=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The=20
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if it=20
  were originating from eBay <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&amp;ss=
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  =
size=3D3>http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&amp;s=
sPageName=3Dh?-fom:sin_US</FONT></A>,=20
  yet when you look at the underlying HTML-source code, you see it's =
actually=20
  pointing to the location: <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://lounge.roomfour.net/image/index.html">http://lounge.roomfo=
ur.net/image/index.html</A>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The=20
  domain roomfour.net is actually registered in =
Germany.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
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loopersdelight=20
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  list.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>What=20
  I want to say: DON'T react to this mail if you received=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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James Sidlo's CD Silo 10:

Warren Rivera  - guitar/synth effects
James H. Sidlo - fretless guitar with sympathetic strings/loops/treatments
Recorded live in Silo 10 San Antonio, Texas January 2004 by Robert "Bobdog"
Catlin
A joint DogFingers/Uncle Buzz release: dogfingers.com unclebuzz.com

tracks 1,2,3 and 7,8 are linked together seamlessly. Assuming there are no
edits within
them, it is amazing how Warren and James managed to maintain a level of
musical energy for
such extended stretches.

The reverb on this album is natural, being recorded in the silo that
inspired the album's title.
The mood is refreshingly varied and moves between somewhat dark, melancholic
to bright and very soothing.
The whole album is very meditative and inspires you to your own personal
movie in your head.
It is thoroughly crafted by two musicians who really listen to each other.
I highly recommend it!

Comments to the individual tracks:
1 "therapy refuge" evolving waves of sound transporting you into a world of
its own.
  Towards the end of the piece a truck horn is heard and you doubt whether
it's
  actually a truck passing by the silo or played by one of the musicians...
2 "memory game" the second track seamlessly fits the first, I'm not sure why
it is
  presented as something on its own.
3 "pulse" sets out reminding of minimal music a la Philip Glass but soon
evolves into
  its own thing.
4 "winter/spring" The title immediately transports you into a landscape or
forest during
   those seasons...
5 "don't disappear" beautifully meandering between states of hope and
despair,
   possibly I was influenced by the track's title...
6 "trip" is somewhat faster paced and has a great narrative quality. In this
piece,
   James ingeniously uses the fretlessness of his guitar to explore
microtonal terrain.
7 "wildlife crossing" evolves into a vast jungle of (animal?) sounds,
   mimicking strange species on a remote planet...
8 "bloom" while seamlessly tucked onto track 7 it resumes the more tonal
style of the
   album and presents a fitting conclusion for it

Bernhard

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>Does anyone know if 2 EDPs can be
>synched up and triggered in tandem by a foot controller ?  Anyone know of
>another stereo phrase sampler out there ?

hi john - the answer is yes and one stereo looper out there at the moment is 
the Repeater, which is just about to come back onto the market - it has 4 
mono tracks or two stereo pairs per loop and features one level of undo - 
check out www.electrixpro.com

cheers

sim




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Dear eBay MemberI would first and foremost highly recommend the use of
SpamCop, at http://www.spamcop.net - which, once one registers for free,
enables the accurate reporting of less-than-two-day-old spam to the right
folks.

Obviously one cannot block aw-confirm @ ebay.com - and so SpamCop helps in
not only reporting but showing the actual source of the spam so you can
block it.  Of course a look at the headers will also show the culprits
hosting the spammers, which I have also blocked, having gotten more than
enough "ebay" mail from:

totalchoicehosting.com
fastbighost.com
roomfour.net

Add THOSE to your blocking list, if your isp has one for you to modify.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bernhard Wagner
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:00 AM
Subject: security issue: eBay Account Suspended


Dear loopdwellers

This is a rare occasion that I post a HTML mail to this forum.
But it is the second putative mail I get from a sender pretending to be
eBay.
The worst trick is that he tries to make me click on a link that looks as if
it were originating from eBay
http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&ssPageName=h?-fom:sin_US,
yet when you look at the underlying HTML-source code, you see it's actually
pointing to the location: http://lounge.roomfour.net/image/index.html.
The domain roomfour.net is actually registered in Germany.

Since I know that my email address was harvested from loopersdelight
archive, I presume that other victims are to be found on this list.

What I want to say: DON'T react to this mail if you received it,too.

Best,
Bernhard
-----Original Message-----
From: eBay Security Validation [mailto:aw-confirm@ebay.com]
Sent: Freitag, 21. Januar 2005 09:17
To: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz
Subject: eBay Account Suspended




Dear eBay Member,

Due to recent account takeovers and unauthorized listings, eBay is
introducing a new account verification method. From time to time, randomly
selected accounts (seller and/or buyer) are subjected to an advanced
verification process based on our merchant accounts/bank relations and
customers credit card. eBay may also request in an email message
scanned/faxed copies of one or more photo ID's. Your account confirmation
may go wrong if your credit card/bank account is expired, or if you have
changed your credit card number, billing address etc. without notifying us
about the change. Subject of this verification process are also the accounts
that have unpaid dues to eBay.
Your account is not suspended, but if in 48 hours after you receive this
message your account is not confirmed we reserve the right to suspend your
eBay registration. If you received this notice and you are not the
authorized account holder, please be aware that it is in violation of eBay
policy to represent oneself as another eBay user. Such action may also be in
violation of local, national, and/or international law. eBay is committed to
assist law enforcement with any inquires related to attempts to
misappropriate personal information with the intent to commit fraud or
theft. Information will be provided at the request of law enforcement
agencies to ensure that perpetrators are prosecuted to the full extent of
the law.

Note: If this is the second time you receive this notice, it might be
because you have made a mistake when you entered your details or that the
account was not updated at all.


To confirm your identity with us click here:
http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&ssPageName=h?-fom:sin_US

We apologize in advance for any inconvenience this may cause you and we
would like to thank you for your cooperation as we review this matter.


Respectfully,
Trust and Safety Department
eBay Inc.




 Copyright © 1995-2004 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks
and brands are the property of their respective owners. Use of this Web site
constitutes acceptance of the eBay User Agreement and Privacy Policy.

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Dear eBay MemberMe, too, but why bother? My "notification" was sent to =
an email addy I don=B4t use for evilBay, so it felt suspicious =
immediately. Same thing goes for bank notifications etc. Ignore them, =
there=B4s nothing you could do about them except maybe report them to =
eBay (but they also didn=B4t stop two scammers on eBay UK from selling =
fake Linn LM-1s...).

Life=B4s great, the world=B4s bad.

Stephen.


_________________________________________________________________________=
__________________________________________

"Our land is a rape machine, I=B4d go outside if it looked the other =
way. You wouldn=B4t believe the things they do." (Gary Numan / "Down in =
the Park")

Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Bernhard Wagner=20
  To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:00 AM
  Subject: security issue: eBay Account Suspended


  Dear loopdwellers

  This is a rare occasion that I post a HTML mail to this forum.
  But it is the second putative mail I get from a sender pretending to =
be eBay.
  The worst trick is that he tries to make me click on a link that looks =
as if it were originating from eBay =
http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&ssPageName=3Dh=
?-fom:sin_US, yet when you look at the underlying HTML-source code, you =
see it's actually pointing to the location: =
http://lounge.roomfour.net/image/index.html.
  The domain roomfour.net is actually registered in Germany.

  Since I know that my email address was harvested from loopersdelight =
archive, I presume that other victims are to be found on this list.

  What I want to say: DON'T react to this mail if you received it,too.

  Best,
  Bernhard
  -----Original Message-----
  From: eBay Security Validation [mailto:aw-confirm@ebay.com]
  Sent: Freitag, 21. Januar 2005 09:17
  To: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz
  Subject: eBay Account Suspended



      =20


  Dear eBay Member,=20

  Due to recent account takeovers and unauthorized listings, eBay is =
introducing a new account verification method. From time to time, =
randomly selected accounts (seller and/or buyer) are subjected to an =
advanced verification process based on our merchant accounts/bank =
relations and customers credit card. eBay may also request in an email =
message scanned/faxed copies of one or more photo ID's. Your account =
confirmation may go wrong if your credit card/bank account is expired, =
or if you have changed your credit card number, billing address etc. =
without notifying us about the change. Subject of this verification =
process are also the accounts that have unpaid dues to eBay.=20
  Your account is not suspended, but if in 48 hours after you receive =
this message your account is not confirmed we reserve the right to =
suspend your eBay registration. If you received this notice and you are =
not the authorized account holder, please be aware that it is in =
violation of eBay policy to represent oneself as another eBay user. Such =
action may also be in violation of local, national, and/or international =
law. eBay is committed to assist law enforcement with any inquires =
related to attempts to misappropriate personal information with the =
intent to commit fraud or theft. Information will be provided at the =
request of law enforcement agencies to ensure that perpetrators are =
prosecuted to the full extent of the law.=20

  Note: If this is the second time you receive this notice, it might be =
because you have made a mistake when you entered your details or that =
the account was not updated at all.=20


  To confirm your identity with us click here:=20
  =
http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&ssPageName=3Dh=
?-fom:sin_US=20

  We apologize in advance for any inconvenience this may cause you and =
we would like to thank you for your cooperation as we review this =
matter.=20


  Respectfully,=20
  Trust and Safety Department=20
  eBay Inc.=20

      =20
      =20
      =20
      =20
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immediately.=20
Same thing goes for bank notifications etc. Ignore them, there=B4s =
nothing you=20
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didn=B4t stop=20
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LM-1s...).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Life=B4s great, the world=B4s =
bad.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Stephen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>____________________________________________________________________=
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<DIV>"Our land is a rape machine, I=B4d go outside if it looked the =
other way. You=20
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Park")</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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Account=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Dear=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>This=20
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forum.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>But=20
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be=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The=20
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if it=20
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size=3D3>http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&amp;s=
sPageName=3Dh?-fom:sin_US</FONT></A>,=20
  yet when you look at the underlying HTML-source code, you see it's =
actually=20
  pointing to the location: <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://lounge.roomfour.net/image/index.html">http://lounge.roomfo=
ur.net/image/index.html</A>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The=20
  domain roomfour.net is actually registered in =
Germany.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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  size=3D2>Since I know that my email address was harvested from =
loopersdelight=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> eBay Security =
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  [mailto:aw-confirm@ebay.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Freitag, 21. Januar 2005=20
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Hi all, not exactly looping but here is my question.
Anyone know of a software Audio (not midi) Arpeggiator (audio unit, 
vst, Application)  for OSX ?
I cant seem to find any relevant info, i guess im looking for it in all 
the wrong places.

thanx

Jan

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<HEAD><TITLE>Dear eBay Member</TITLE>
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<DIV>I&nbsp;started receiving this pseudo-eBay crap and I'm not even regist=
ered with eBay! They "spoof" Earthlink a lot, too, same old crap, "hey we n=
eed your account info updated yada yada yada." These criminal bastards are =
getting more and desperate and shameless. No, they are not&nbsp;as evil as =
folks like Karl Rove or Saddam or Pol Pot or the knuckle-draggers who bombe=
d the Red Cross last year, but they are evil enough, and&nbsp;they are a hu=
ge danger to the very Internet that keeps sonic mutants like us connected, =
so I&nbsp;say flaming death to spammers and scammers, and to everyone who h=
elps them by actually saying yes to counterfeit Cialis! (LOL)</DIV>
<DIV>~Tim&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: wavec=
omputer360 <WAVECOMPUTER360@GMX.DE><BR>Sent: Jan 21, 2005 5:27 AM <BR>To: L=
oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <BR>Subject: Re: security issue: eBay Ac=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Me, too, but why bother? My "notification"=
 was sent to an email addy I don=B4t use for evilBay, so it felt suspicious=
 immediately. Same thing goes for bank notifications etc. Ignore them, ther=
e=B4s nothing you could do about them except maybe report them to eBay (but=
 they also didn=B4t stop two&nbsp;scammers on eBay UK from selling fake Lin=
n LM-1s...).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Life=B4s great, the world=B4s bad.</FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Stephen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>______________________________________________________________________=
_____________________________________________</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>"Our land is a rape machine, I=B4d go outside if it looked the other w=
ay. You wouldn=B4t believe the things they do." (Gary Numan / "Down in the =
Park")</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at <A href=3D"http://www.doombien=
t.com">www.doombient.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>=
From:</B> <A title=3Dloopdelightml@nosuch.biz href=3D"mailto:loopdelightml@=
nosuch.biz">Bernhard Wagner</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dloopers-delight@loope=
rs-delight.com href=3D"mailto:loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com">loopers-=
delight@loopers-delight.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 21, 2005 11:00=
 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> security issue: eBay Accoun=
t Suspended</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff si=
ze=3D2>Dear loopdwellers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff si=
ze=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff si=
ze=3D2>This is a rare occasion that I post a HTML mail to this forum.</FONT=
></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff si=
ze=3D2>But it is the second putative mail I get from a&nbsp;sender pretendi=
ng to be eBay.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff si=
ze=3D2>The worst trick is that he tries to make me click on a link that loo=
ks as if it were originating from eBay <A href=3D"http://signin.ebay.com/aw=
-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&amp;ssPageName=3Dh?-fom:sin_US"><FONT fac=
e=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.d=
ll?userconfirm&amp;ssPageName=3Dh?-fom:sin_US</FONT></A>, yet when you look=
 at the underlying HTML-source code, you see it's actually pointing to the =
location: <A href=3D"http://lounge.roomfour.net/image/index.html">http://lo=
unge.roomfour.net/image/index.html</A>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff si=
ze=3D2>The domain roomfour.net is actually registered in Germany.</FONT></S=
PAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff si=
ze=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff si=
ze=3D2>Since I know that my email address was harvested from loopersdelight=
 archive, I presume that other victims are to be found on this list.</FONT>=
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff si=
ze=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff si=
ze=3D2>What I want to say: DON'T react to this mail if you received it,too.=
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff si=
ze=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff si=
ze=3D2>Best,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff si=
ze=3D2>Bernhard</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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a size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> eBay Security Validat=
ion [mailto:aw-confirm@ebay.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Freitag, 21. Januar 2005 0=
9:17<BR><B>To:</B> loopdelightml@nosuch.biz<BR><B>Subject:</B> eBay Account=
 Suspended<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><SPAN class=3Debay>
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<P dir=3Dltr><B>Dear eBay Member, </B><BR><BR>Due to recent account takeove=
rs and unauthorized listings, eBay is introducing a new account verificatio=
n method. From time to time, randomly selected accounts (seller and/or buye=
r) are subjected to an advanced verification process based on our merchant =
accounts/bank relations and customers credit card. eBay may also request in=
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unt confirmation may go wrong if your credit card/bank account is expired, =
or if you have changed your credit card number, billing address etc. withou=
t notifying us about the change. Subject of this verification process are a=
lso the accounts that have unpaid dues to eBay. <BR>Your account is not sus=
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ot confirmed we reserve the right to suspend your eBay registration. If you=
 received this notice and you are not the authorized account holder, please=
 be aware that it is in violation of eBay policy to represent oneself as an=
other eBay user. Such action may also be in violation of local, national, a=
nd/or international law. eBay is committed to assist law enforcement with a=
ny inquires related to attempts to misappropriate personal information with=
 the intent to commit fraud or theft. Information will be provided at the r=
equest of law enforcement agencies to ensure that perpetrators are prosecut=
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you receive this notice, it might be because you have made a mistake when y=
ou entered your details or that the account was not updated at all. <BR><BR=
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p://lounge.roomfour.net/image/index.html">http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBa=
yIsession.dll?userconfirm&amp;ssPageName=3Dh?-fom:sin_US</A> <BR><BR><B>We =
apologize in advance for any inconvenience this may cause you and we would =
like to thank you for your cooperation as we review this matter.</B> <BR><B=
R><BR>Respectfully, <BR>Trust and Safety Department <BR>eBay Inc. </P>
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Subject: labor, shmabor, here's the real issue Re: Chinese Slave Labor (was
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"billions of men who can't get laid and have nuclear weapons scare me."

Not as much as they scare the Tibetans. Yes, sometimes I have to break down and buy a product from "China Incorporated," but to keep myself honest, I just remind myself that I am, in a way, buying into the 50-year rape of Tibet, among other things. To me, this is an even bigger deal than the sweatshop issue.

One of my friends verbally assailed me for my Amnesty International membership, saying it was a culturally imperialist conceit to apply Western standards to Asia, to which I replied "What utter bullshit! Are you implying that an Asian person does not feel pain?!?  You wouldn't be talking this smug "realpolitik" crap if it was YOU being abused!" 
Then I took a deep breath and FELT MUCH BETTER (LOL)
(To be consistent, let me also say that ALL of those responsible for the Abu Ghraib/Guantanamo horrors should have the proverbial book thrown at them. They have brought shame to my country and I hate them for it.) 
~Tim 



-----Original Message-----
From: Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com>
Sent: Jan 20, 2005 1:23 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Chinese Slave Labor (was Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: AW: Aunti Behringer)

On Jan 20, 2005, at 9:08 AM, Douglas Baldwin wrote:
> than fill up the LD group with this thread, but... Does anyone know 
> how many
> of China's workers are in fact slaves and how many are willingly 
> seeking

i know nothing about chinese labour other than it's cheap and theres 50 
billion of them.

there are two reasons i have a problem with this:

A) american companies need to stop this offshore factory migration. yes 
i shop at wal-mart thank you for asking, but i'm often in Peoria when 
it is too late to shop anywhere else and they would probably have my 
money if everything cost a bit more. if we had a one-page tax code 
instead of a one-million page tax code maybe these corporations 
wouldn't find tax incentives to move offshore (factories to china, 
"home office" to bermuda ... pretty soon they aren't even in your 
country anymore). this is an international list, i don't really mean to 
sound so US-centric but know nothing about the situation in germany or 
other countries.

B) chinese factories are more likely to use people instead of robots 
because there are plenty of people, even though robots are better for 
alot of things. this is one of the reasons Mackie SR1530s have a 50% 
return rate for lack of functioning from the local Guitar Center.

the other reason is they fill a container up with unpadded tightly 
formed boxes of speakers with no packing material and put them on a 
boat, and then have Gigantor drop-kick the container across the 
dockyard for shits and giggles just to make sure that when Suit & Tie 
Guy opens up his box of brand-new SR1530s the grilles are all bent out 
of shape and the horn drivers don't work. and the cabinet is CRACKED.

> My perception of the media and public voices who use the term "slave
> labor" is 1) They are people who are pissed that we are losing jobs to
> offshore labor, 2) They are right wing and often overtly fundamentalist
> Christian, and/or 3) They equate lower costs with lower quality.

I used the term "slave labor" because someone else did.

if i were to talk about third-world labour i would use the term 
"sweatshop", not "slavery". that doesn't mean i think Nike is a cool 
company.

china doesn't scare me because of sweatshops and walmart.

billions of men who can't get laid and have nuclear weapons scare me.

---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com


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Don't think there's any such thing as an audio arpeggiator, but check out:

Numerology 

www.five12.com <http://www.five12.com/>.

jan wrote:

> Hi all, not exactly looping but here is my question.
> Anyone know of a software Audio (not midi) Arpeggiator (audio unit, 
> vst, Application)  for OSX ?
> I cant seem to find any relevant info, i guess im looking for it in 
> all the wrong places.
>
> thanx
>
> Jan
>
>
>


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I know of an audio "arpeggiator" algorithm found in the Digitech Space 
Station.
I can't remember what Digitech calls the algorithm but it does 
arpeggiate.
I haven't come across a plug-in that does this but I haven't really 
been looking either.

On Jan 21, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Neil Goldstein wrote:

> Don't think there's any such thing as an audio arpeggiator, but check 
> out:
>
> Numerology
> www.five12.com <http://www.five12.com/>.
>
> jan wrote:
>
>> Hi all, not exactly looping but here is my question.
>> Anyone know of a software Audio (not midi) Arpeggiator (audio unit, 
>> vst, Application)  for OSX ?
>> I cant seem to find any relevant info, i guess im looking for it in 
>> all the wrong places.
>>
>> thanx
>>
>> Jan
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Good point, Michael. 
Question: which is worse: a theocracy, or a godless, dehumanizing bureaucratic regime?
Answer: THEY BOTH SUCK!
Just trying to be even-handed here (hee hee!)
~Tim
 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Jan 20, 2005 9:49 PM
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ok, I'll bite on the OT flame...

> billions of men who can't get laid and have nuclear weapons scare me.

Just curious, but do they wear funny costumes and hang outside your 
house?!  Or is it just the thought that scares you...
I take it this is in jest given your exaggeration of population numbers, 
but it works both ways.

the thought of millions of christians (not exactly the world's 
casanovas) with more nuclear weapons than the chinese and a written 
eschatology (a belief in the necessity of the end of the world) that 
demands the purging of non-christians scares me!  Just the thought of 
someone with a finger on the trigger looking to prove the bible right 
has to inspire some form of anxiety...

all in fun,

michael


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I just got a Boss VF-1 and was looking at getting an expression pedal to
open the sound up even more.  In the manual however it says you must use
a Roland Ev5 or Boss FV300 or risk damage to the unit.  Now this seems
like an empty scare tactic to make you buy roland gear but is there any
possibility that you could harm a device with an improper expression pedal?

Thanks

Kevin

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Everybody check out Mark's site... it rocks!
~tim

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I once lived for 3 months with a Tribe in Northan Thailand. They would get 
up late, the women went to a small factory that made Plastic "Widgets", the 
men did a bit of farming / goat tending, there was usually pig to eat, 
around a roaring fire, as everyone danced clapped and played music, drinking 
and smoking, and having a great time, every night! I came back home after a 
while to find myself on a tube train in London at 7 o'clock in the morning 
with backpack and 16mm camera. I was dumbstruck by the men in bowler hats, 
and incredibly miserable angst ridden ugly people that surrounded me on 
their way to work. It was all I could do to stop myself from screaming 
"You're all fucking MAD!!!"

I didnt, and 10 years later, I write this in an office, having come to work 
by T-bahn (Norwegian Tube/Metro/subway). At the moment the way that we treat 
our poorer nations is abominable, I myself farm out a lot of simple boring 
projects to an Indian "partner" that I have in my company... They are 
CHEAP... and work hard... and to a very high standard. We cannot avoid this 
dichotomy, but we must be aware of it. Dont complain, when you next go to 
Goa, and complain.. "It more expensive than in '78,  then you used to be 
able to live for a week on a dollar!"

...just rambling.. so some SPAM instead:

I just released a CD/card on synesthetic recordings here in Norway, its 
called FISH! and you can get details of it and all my prevous CDR releases 
here www.markfrancombe.com

AND (will remind closer to the date) I will be performing live over the 
internet on ResonanceFM (on the dial in London www.resonancefm.com the rest 
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For more info heres the resonance page 
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never met these people, but we are emailing a few suggestions back and 
forth... should be fun... be great if some of you can listen!

Mark







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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:58:31 -0600, Michael Firman <maf@mlswebworks.com> wrote:
> 
> I know of an audio "arpeggiator" algorithm found in the Digitech Space
> Station.
> I can't remember what Digitech calls the algorithm but it does
> arpeggiate.
> I haven't come across a plug-in that does this but I haven't really
> been looking either.
> 
> On Jan 21, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Neil Goldstein wrote:
> 
> > Don't think there's any such thing as an audio arpeggiator, but check
> > out:
> >
> > Numerology
> > www.five12.com <http://www.five12.com/>.
> >
> > jan wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all, not exactly looping but here is my question.
> >> Anyone know of a software Audio (not midi) Arpeggiator (audio unit,
> >> vst, Application)  for OSX ?
> >> I cant seem to find any relevant info, i guess im looking for it in
> >> all the wrong places.
> >>
> >> thanx
> >>
> >> Jan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Michael

Not one to usually indulge in off-topic discourse. You however are correct. Might we allow for the separation of religion/culture from the real essence of the Divine? One rarely has anything to do with the other.

As for Sonny's observation about sex and the lack of stigma that it carries in Judaism, I respect his opinion, but where has he been hanging? Not at my family dinner table where there were both Jews and Catholics. There seemed to be a neck in neck neurosis derby concerning said topic from both sides of the Judeo-Christian divide with me not seeing a clear winner on either. No offense but sex and neurotic, irrational behaviour seems to go together like  peanut butter and jelly. That, at least to my powers of observation appears to be one of the few universal truths. Different cultures may couch it in seemingly healthy ways, but it all comes down to weirdness in the end. I am in agreement that making the beast with two backs is indeed the best of the human experience, but a lack of stigma? Well.....uh....okay......

That and has anybody tried the new Boss RC-20XL?

Todd

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Good point, Michael. 
Question: which is worse: a theocracy, or a godless, dehumanizing bureaucratic regime?
Answer: THEY BOTH SUCK!
Just trying to be even-handed here (hee hee!)
~Tim
 

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ok, I'll bite on the OT flame...

> billions of men who can't get laid and have nuclear weapons scare me.

Just curious, but do they wear funny costumes and hang outside your 
house?!  Or is it just the thought that scares you...
I take it this is in jest given your exaggeration of population numbers, 
but it works both ways.

the thought of millions of christians (not exactly the world's 
casanovas) with more nuclear weapons than the chinese and a written 
eschatology (a belief in the necessity of the end of the world) that 
demands the purging of non-christians scares me!  Just the thought of 
someone with a finger on the trigger looking to prove the bible right 
has to inspire some form of anxiety...

all in fun,

michael



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There are some pitch-shifting ensembles in Reaktor that function like 
audio arpeggiators.
dc


On Jan 21, 2005, at 7:42 AM, jan wrote:

> Hi all, not exactly looping but here is my question.
> Anyone know of a software Audio (not midi) Arpeggiator (audio unit, 
> vst, Application)  for OSX ?
> I cant seem to find any relevant info, i guess im looking for it in 
> all the wrong places.
>
> thanx
>
> Jan
>

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ailto:ransacker@earthlink.net">Todd Howell</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> 01/21/05 09:=
32:56</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A href=3D"mai=
lto:mungenast@earthlink.net">mungenast@earthlink.net</A>; <A href=3D"mail=
to:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c=
om</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: Chine=
se Slave Labor (was Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: AW: Aunti Behringer=
)</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Michael</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Not one to usually indulge in off-topic discourse. You however are c=
orrect. Might we allow for the separation of religion/culture from the re=
al essence of the Divine? One rarely has anything to do with the other.</=
DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>As for Sonny's observation about sex and the lack of stigma that it =
carries in Judaism, I respect his opinion, but where has he been hanging?=
 Not at my family dinner table where there were both Jews and Catholics. =
There seemed to be a neck in neck neurosis derby concerning said topic fr=
om both sides of the Judeo-Christian divide with me not seeing a clear wi=
nner on either. No offense but sex and neurotic, irrational behaviour see=
ms to go together like&nbsp;&nbsp;peanut butter and jelly. That, at least=
 to my powers of observation appears to be one of the few universal truth=
s. Different cultures may couch it in seemingly healthy ways, but it all =
comes down to weirdness in the end. I am in agreement that making the bea=
st with two backs is indeed the best of the human experience, but a lack =
of stigma? Well.....uh....okay......</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>That and has anybody tried the new Boss RC-20XL?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Todd</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>-----Original Message-----</DIV>
<DIV>From: <A href=3D"mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net">mungenast@earthlink=
=2Enet</A></DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Jan 21, 2005 10:16 AM</DIV>
<DIV>To: <A href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-D=
elight@loopers-delight.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: Chinese Slave Labor (was Re: say no to urban skydiving =
Re: AW: Aunti Behringer)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Good point, Michael.</DIV>
<DIV>Question: which is worse: a theocracy, or a godless, dehumanizing bu=
reaucratic regime?</DIV>
<DIV>Answer: THEY BOTH SUCK!</DIV>
<DIV>Just trying to be even-handed here (hee hee!)</DIV>
<DIV>~Tim</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>-----Original Message-----</DIV>
<DIV>From: mjnoble &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:not8ohm@iinet.net.au">not8ohm@ii=
net.net.au</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Jan 20, 2005 9:49 PM</DIV>
<DIV>To: <A href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-D=
elight@loopers-delight.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: Chinese Slave Labor (was Re: say no to urban skydiving =
Re: AW: Aunti Behringer)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>ok, I'll bite on the OT flame...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; billions of men who can't get laid and have nuclear weapons sca=
re me.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Just curious, but do they wear funny costumes and hang outside your<=
/DIV>
<DIV>house?!&nbsp;&nbsp;Or is it just the thought that scares you...</DIV=
>
<DIV>I take it this is in jest given your exaggeration of population numb=
ers,</DIV>
<DIV>but it works both ways.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>the thought of millions of christians (not exactly the world's</DIV>
<DIV>casanovas) with more nuclear weapons than the chinese and a written<=
/DIV>
<DIV>eschatology (a belief in the necessity of the end of the world) that=
</DIV>
<DIV>demands the purging of non-christians scares me!&nbsp;&nbsp;Just the=
 thought of</DIV>
<DIV>someone with a finger on the trigger looking to prove the bible righ=
t</DIV>
<DIV>has to inspire some form of anxiety...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>all in fun,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>michael</DIV>
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> On Jan 21, 2005, at 18:20, Art Simon wrote:
>
>> Cycling '74 pluggo?
>> http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo.html
>
>
> I have Pluggo here but can't find and audio arpeggiator among these,  
> otherwise fantastic, plug-ins.
>
> To arpeggiate audio you first need a polyphonic pitch analyzer. I  
> don't know about any such thing, or if it's even possible to construct  
> one? The idea with arpeggiating is to play a chord to tell the  
> arpeggiator which notes to line up according to the settings (octaves,  
> rhythmic phrasing). When there is audio, and no midi, how can a device  
> "hear" which chord is being played?
>
> I too would love to find and audio arpeggiator! The closest I have  
> come is to use a midi arpeggiator, or sequencer, to send  commands to  
> a delay/looping device for pitch transposing. I did it with a Repeater  
> and various midi sequencers and now with software on a laptop. But I  
> wouldn't say it comes close to what you get with midi. Personally I  
> like audio better, though, Here's a short clip if someone is  
> interested:
> http://www.looproom.com/audio/ 
> Three_Loopers_In_Mountains_Pine_Forrest+.mp3.
>
> The idea of using a midi guitar has appeared. But to generate a midi  
> chord for the arpeggiator you will at the same time generate an audio  
> chord and I would prefer to feed the arpeggiator with single notes,  
> not chords. In the sax clip above the chords driving the arpeggiator  
> were "played" from foot pedals, not generated by the playing (which in  
> this case was monophonic).
>
> For a long time I have been wishing someone should create a software  
> instrument that sliced up incoming audio, mapped the slices to note  
> numbers and played them back according to either (1) midi input or (2)  
> a built in step sequencer. Now THAT would be cool!!! :-) (maybe you  
> can do that in MAX?)
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen

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>Not one to usually indulge in off-topic discourse. You however are 
>correct. Might we allow for the separation of religion/culture from 
>the real essence of the Divine? One rarely has anything to do with 
>the other.

I'm afraid I don't agree--or I misunderstand what you're saying. And 
I say this as someone who studies religion and culture for a living. 
What you write seems to presuppose that the "real essence" (which is 
another term I either don't understand or, more likely, don't accept) 
of the divine has nothing to do with the historical context(s) in 
which it appears. And from my perspective, that's an unnecessary and 
misleading distinction.  You can elaborate (if you want), or we can 
drop it (if we want), or we can take it to private discussion, if you 
or anyone else is interested.

Jeff

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Eric, this IS fun!

yes, according to 2003 statistics, the overall world gender balance is 
101 men to 100 women (3,169,122,000 men to
3,132,342,000 women), as taken from UN population figures for 2002.  
this varies as highly as 186 men to 100 women in United Arab Emirates (I 
guess we should never trust a man from UAE with a nuclear weapon, or for 
that matter most Arab nations where the male population is 
proportionally higher than females) down to 85 men to every 100 women in 
Latvia and Estonia (explains why these countries look so peaceful in the 
travel brochures).

Whilst we're on figures, the overall chinese population is in the 
vicinity of 1.3 billion, not the 50 billion you lovingly guestimate in 
your previous email.  This I thought was common knowledge as you put it 
perhaps a little too condescendingly.  Their gender imbalance is 
certainly worrying (the overall figure being 106 men to 100 men, with 
the newborn ratio as high as 119 to 100 men in some provinces), as is 
the death of female infants and unborns as a consequnce of one child 
policy disturbing. 

I doubt, however, the guys with their finger on the triggers are the 
ones not getting laid, and hence my point was, they are not too much of 
a concern to myself in regards to firing off missiles as a substitute 
for firing off, well, I'm sure you can complete the metaphor.  To be 
fair to the political expediencies at work, the point of one child 
policy was to control a hopelessly out of control rising population.  It 
has achieved that, albeit at a very expensivc cost (one would probably 
employ that always chilling phrase "collateral damage" if trying to see 
it from a governmental point of view - a phrase used by many nations 
politicians and ugly whichever way you look at it (15000-17000 civilians 
dead, sovereign nation... ring a bell?). 

So I'm certainly not saying I don't feel for the problem of chinese male 
sexual frustration, by any measure, but just that I don't see it as the 
greatest threat to the peace and prosperity of ALL peoples of ALL 
nations compared to say frustrated eschatologians trying to prove dogma 
true, or cynical politicians manipulating eschatological beliefs in a 
quest for a new world order.  Since you didn't address the point of my 
reply to your neo-Mcarthy "yellow menace" styled post, (my point being 
the worrying fact that people who have a vested interest in the world 
ending to prove a fundamental tenet and teleogy of their religious 
philosophy have the capably planet destroying lion's share of the 
world's nuclear arsenal, and stand largely unopposed militarily),  I'll 
assume that the distance between our points of view, non-heirarchically 
speaking of course, is somewhat large, thus leaving any attempt to 
discuss the issue as an ever spiralling loop of frustration enclosing 
the inability of each of us to see it "the right way".  To put it 
another way, this looks a bit like a case of "I'll see your paranoia and 
raise you...".  To break out of the betting loop, I think I'll fold.

-michael





Suit & Tie Guy wrote:

> dude, i don't know what countries you're talking about but the rest of 
> the world has a roughly a 45/55 to 55/45 mix of men and women. china's 
> ludicrous population control policy of one child only encourages the 
> abortion of millions of unborn girls (and the murder of born girls) 
> because they want sons instead. this is throwing china's sexuality 
> completely out of balance.
>
> as a matter of stereotype fundamentalist islam and fundamentalist 
> judaism and fundamentalist christianity all frown on promiscuity, 
> premarital sex, and unnecessary sexual activity (which its 
> practitioners often indulge in regardless), but when it's SIMPLY NOT 
> POSSIBLE for a certain percentage because of the numbers then it 
> becomes a big deal.
>
> i really thought this was common knowledge. sorry i didn't explain 
> myself.
> ---
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com
>
>

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mjnoble wrote:

> Their gender imbalance is certainly worrying (the overall figure being 
> 106 men to 100 men, with the newborn ratio as high as 119 to 100 men 
> in some provinces),


it's tired and I'm late... should read 106 men to 100 women, 119 men to 
100 women.  teach me right for straying from the looping path.

-michael

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I bought my Virtualizer used--does that get me off the hook?
I personally enjoy all of these posts--thanks for sharing your POV and
knowledge.  The diversity of folks on this list is wonderful!
Gary


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Such things do exist in the PC World.  The sampler in EnergyXT has a
"beat slicing" feature that does exactly as you say.  It slices audio
up and assigns note numbers to the slices, which you then play back
with midi input, an arpeggiator or step sequencer. There's also the
free audio arpeggiator from analogx
http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/aarpeg.htm

Of  course, we still don't have Augustus Loop for the PC : (


On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:13:04 +0100, Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 2005, at 18:20, Art Simon wrote:
> >
> >> Cycling '74 pluggo?
> >> http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo.html
> >
> >
> > I have Pluggo here but can't find and audio arpeggiator among these,
> > otherwise fantastic, plug-ins.
> >
> > To arpeggiate audio you first need a polyphonic pitch analyzer. I
> > don't know about any such thing, or if it's even possible to construct
> > one? The idea with arpeggiating is to play a chord to tell the
> > arpeggiator which notes to line up according to the settings (octaves,
> > rhythmic phrasing). When there is audio, and no midi, how can a device
> > "hear" which chord is being played?
> >
> > I too would love to find and audio arpeggiator! The closest I have
> > come is to use a midi arpeggiator, or sequencer, to send  commands to
> > a delay/looping device for pitch transposing. I did it with a Repeater
> > and various midi sequencers and now with software on a laptop. But I
> > wouldn't say it comes close to what you get with midi. Personally I
> > like audio better, though, Here's a short clip if someone is
> > interested:
> > http://www.looproom.com/audio/
> > Three_Loopers_In_Mountains_Pine_Forrest+.mp3.
> >
> > The idea of using a midi guitar has appeared. But to generate a midi
> > chord for the arpeggiator you will at the same time generate an audio
> > chord and I would prefer to feed the arpeggiator with single notes,
> > not chords. In the sax clip above the chords driving the arpeggiator
> > were "played" from foot pedals, not generated by the playing (which in
> > this case was monophonic).
> >
> > For a long time I have been wishing someone should create a software
> > instrument that sliced up incoming audio, mapped the slices to note
> > numbers and played them back according to either (1) midi input or (2)
> > a built in step sequencer. Now THAT would be cool!!! :-) (maybe you
> > can do that in MAX?)
> >
> > Greetings from Sweden
> >
> > Per Boysen
> > ---
> > http://www.looproom.com (international)
> > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
> 
> 


-- 
Art Simon
simart@null.net
http://art.simon.tripod.com
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Hi I am seeling my Echoplex difital pro with loop IV and maximium
memory.
I am currently taking offers it is advertises on the sound on sound
website in the readers adds section. And will be advertised locally as
well so if you are interested let me know soon.
Price wise I am watching ebay to see how much european EDPs are selling
for. 
However they seem to be asking a buy price of 990 euro about Ł680...
blah blah anyway make me an offer first decent offer wins.
The Unit itself works perfectly and has receied light studio use in a
non smoking environment only. It comes with the footswtich too which in
all honesty I have found to be a bit tempremental and prefer to use my
FCB1010 which is not included in price and not for sale.
I am happy to ship the unit anywhere in the world however you will have
to pay for the cost of that.
Also in terms of character reference I wrote the looping research paper
on the live looping site etc. so have been into the looping scene in a
big way... anyway
Email me off the list if you are interested
Oh I am based in Totnes, Devon, England.
geoff

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http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050120.html

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each 
Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and 
webcasting on
the internet.

                    Show #409                    January 20, 2005

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Spheric Music, a 
German record
label run by Lambert Ringlage.  The Featured CD at Midnight was a 
compilation
disc, "Syntonic Waves Volume 8."

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Mosaic" by Richard Burmer on Fortuna 
Records
from 1984.

Spheric Music - 
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jan


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
===============================
11:00 pm
Richard Burmer          Solarsex                 Mosaic (Fortuna)
Arcane                  33 1/3 RPM Side Two      33 1/3 RPM (NeuHarmony)
Maitreya                Escent                   .74 (Council of Nine)
Ozone Player            The Sprawl               Frozen Paint on Boiling 
Canvas
                                                   (Visual Power)
Meri von KleinSmid      Gronligrotta             Ex Vivo (Mimeograph)
Gregory Kyryluk         Summer Into Fall         Ephemeral Highways (HRR)
Samarkande              Cadavre No. 2            4 Cadavres Exquis (none)

12:00 am
VA [Klangwelt]          Blue Planet              Syntonic Waves Vol. 8 
(Spheric)
VA [Michael Obermeier]  Color Your Emotion       Syntonic Waves Vol. 8 
(Spheric)
VA [Jonson]             Minimalism Unfinished    Syntonic Waves Vol. 8 
(Spheric)
VA [Wild Element]       Sonic Space              Syntonic Waves Vol. 8 
(Spheric)
VA [Gunnar Spardel]     Age of Silence           Syntonic Waves Vol. 8 
(Spheric)
VA [Fianfranco Grilli]  The Nile                 Syntonic Waves Vol. 8 
(Spheric)
VA [Erik Seifert]       Cosmonautic Dream        Syntonic Waves Vol. 8 
(Spheric)
VA [Deep Tune]          Defered Dreams           Syntonic Waves Vol. 8 
(Spheric)
VA [Palantir]           Extinct Is Forever!      Syntonic Waves Vol. 8 
(Spheric)
VA [Carola Kern]        Return To Forever?       Syntonic Waves Vol. 8 
(Spheric)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Spheric Music
record label.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Syntonic Waves 
Volume 9," a
sampler of various artists.

The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Harmonic Ascendant" by Robert 
Schroder on
IC Records from 1979.

Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at
11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 
93.9 FM
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> 
> <<forgive me, please, if I seem pedantic, but I still can't see what improvements have been
> made..... besides the "more onboard-memory" part.... & how is that achieved without futzing with
> the hardware?>>
> 

The original didn't use it's on board memory very well. Furthermore,
it looks like the have futzed with the hardware - they removed the
front panel input.

However, I'm pretty confident that there's an OS upgrade in there
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Dear eBay Memberwhat happens when one clicks??


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Bernhard Wagner=20
  To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:00 AM
  Subject: security issue: eBay Account Suspended


  Dear loopdwellers

  This is a rare occasion that I post a HTML mail to this forum.
  But it is the second putative mail I get from a sender pretending to =
be eBay.
  The worst trick is that he tries to make me click on a link that looks =
as if it were originating from eBay =
http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&ssPageName=3Dh=
?-fom:sin_US, yet when you look at the underlying HTML-source code, you =
see it's actually pointing to the location: =
http://lounge.roomfour.net/image/index.html.
  The domain roomfour.net is actually registered in Germany.

  Since I know that my email address was harvested from loopersdelight =
archive, I presume that other victims are to be found on this list.

  What I want to say: DON'T react to this mail if you received it,too.

  Best,
  Bernhard
  -----Original Message-----
  From: eBay Security Validation [mailto:aw-confirm@ebay.com]
  Sent: Freitag, 21. Januar 2005 09:17
  To: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz
  Subject: eBay Account Suspended



      =20


  Dear eBay Member,=20

  Due to recent account takeovers and unauthorized listings, eBay is =
introducing a new account verification method. From time to time, =
randomly selected accounts (seller and/or buyer) are subjected to an =
advanced verification process based on our merchant accounts/bank =
relations and customers credit card. eBay may also request in an email =
message scanned/faxed copies of one or more photo ID's. Your account =
confirmation may go wrong if your credit card/bank account is expired, =
or if you have changed your credit card number, billing address etc. =
without notifying us about the change. Subject of this verification =
process are also the accounts that have unpaid dues to eBay.=20
  Your account is not suspended, but if in 48 hours after you receive =
this message your account is not confirmed we reserve the right to =
suspend your eBay registration. If you received this notice and you are =
not the authorized account holder, please be aware that it is in =
violation of eBay policy to represent oneself as another eBay user. Such =
action may also be in violation of local, national, and/or international =
law. eBay is committed to assist law enforcement with any inquires =
related to attempts to misappropriate personal information with the =
intent to commit fraud or theft. Information will be provided at the =
request of law enforcement agencies to ensure that perpetrators are =
prosecuted to the full extent of the law.=20

  Note: If this is the second time you receive this notice, it might be =
because you have made a mistake when you entered your details or that =
the account was not updated at all.=20


  To confirm your identity with us click here:=20
  =
http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&ssPageName=3Dh=
?-fom:sin_US=20

  We apologize in advance for any inconvenience this may cause you and =
we would like to thank you for your cooperation as we review this =
matter.=20


  Respectfully,=20
  Trust and Safety Department=20
  eBay Inc.=20

      =20
      =20
      =20
      =20
         Copyright =A9 1995-2004 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. =
Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective =
owners. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of the eBay User =
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  <A title=3Dloopdelightml@nosuch.biz=20
  href=3D"mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz">Bernhard Wagner</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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  =
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  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 21, 2005 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> security issue: eBay =
Account=20
  Suspended</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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forum.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>But=20
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be=20
  eBay.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The=20
  worst trick is that he tries to make me click on a link that looks as =
if it=20
  were originating from eBay <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&amp;ss=
PageName=3Dh?-fom:sin_US"><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  =
size=3D3>http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&amp;s=
sPageName=3Dh?-fom:sin_US</FONT></A>,=20
  yet when you look at the underlying HTML-source code, you see it's =
actually=20
  pointing to the location: <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://lounge.roomfour.net/image/index.html">http://lounge.roomfo=
ur.net/image/index.html</A>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
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loopersdelight=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>What=20
  I want to say: DON'T react to this mail if you received=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> eBay Security =
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Dear eBay MemberAutodialer which will log onto your system, most likely, =
and if you fill in the form... trouble galore is about to happen.

Stephen.


_________________________________________________________________________=
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"Our land is a rape machine, I=B4d go outside if it looked the other =
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the Park")

Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: snafu=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:58 PM
  Subject: Re: security issue: eBay Account Suspended


  what happens when one clicks??


    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Bernhard Wagner=20
    To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:00 AM
    Subject: security issue: eBay Account Suspended


    Dear loopdwellers

    This is a rare occasion that I post a HTML mail to this forum.
    But it is the second putative mail I get from a sender pretending to =
be eBay.
    The worst trick is that he tries to make me click on a link that =
looks as if it were originating from eBay =
http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&ssPageName=3Dh=
?-fom:sin_US, yet when you look at the underlying HTML-source code, you =
see it's actually pointing to the location: =
http://lounge.roomfour.net/image/index.html.
    The domain roomfour.net is actually registered in Germany.

    Since I know that my email address was harvested from loopersdelight =
archive, I presume that other victims are to be found on this list.

    What I want to say: DON'T react to this mail if you received it,too.

    Best,
    Bernhard
    -----Original Message-----
    From: eBay Security Validation [mailto:aw-confirm@ebay.com]
    Sent: Freitag, 21. Januar 2005 09:17
    To: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz
    Subject: eBay Account Suspended



        =20


    Dear eBay Member,=20

    Due to recent account takeovers and unauthorized listings, eBay is =
introducing a new account verification method. From time to time, =
randomly selected accounts (seller and/or buyer) are subjected to an =
advanced verification process based on our merchant accounts/bank =
relations and customers credit card. eBay may also request in an email =
message scanned/faxed copies of one or more photo ID's. Your account =
confirmation may go wrong if your credit card/bank account is expired, =
or if you have changed your credit card number, billing address etc. =
without notifying us about the change. Subject of this verification =
process are also the accounts that have unpaid dues to eBay.=20
    Your account is not suspended, but if in 48 hours after you receive =
this message your account is not confirmed we reserve the right to =
suspend your eBay registration. If you received this notice and you are =
not the authorized account holder, please be aware that it is in =
violation of eBay policy to represent oneself as another eBay user. Such =
action may also be in violation of local, national, and/or international =
law. eBay is committed to assist law enforcement with any inquires =
related to attempts to misappropriate personal information with the =
intent to commit fraud or theft. Information will be provided at the =
request of law enforcement agencies to ensure that perpetrators are =
prosecuted to the full extent of the law.=20

    Note: If this is the second time you receive this notice, it might =
be because you have made a mistake when you entered your details or that =
the account was not updated at all.=20


    To confirm your identity with us click here:=20
    =
http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&ssPageName=3Dh=
?-fom:sin_US=20

    We apologize in advance for any inconvenience this may cause you and =
we would like to thank you for your cooperation as we review this =
matter.=20


    Respectfully,=20
    Trust and Safety Department=20
    eBay Inc.=20

        =20
        =20
        =20
        =20
           Copyright =A9 1995-2004 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Autodialer which will log onto your =
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happen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Stephen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>____________________________________________________________________=
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>"Our land is a rape machine, I=B4d go outside if it looked the =
other way. You=20
wouldn=B4t believe the things they do." (Gary Numan / "Down in the =
Park")</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at <A=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dsimonabsent@gmx.de =
href=3D"mailto:simonabsent@gmx.de">snafu</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 21, 2005 =
10:58=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: security issue: =
eBay Account=20
  Suspended</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>what happens when one =
clicks??</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dloopdelightml@nosuch.biz=20
    href=3D"mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz">Bernhard Wagner</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
    title=3Dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com">loopers-delight@loope=
rs-delight.com</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 21, =
2005 11:00=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> security issue: eBay =
Account=20
    Suspended</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>Dear loopdwellers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>This is a rare occasion that I post a HTML mail to this=20
    forum.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>But it is the second putative mail I get from a&nbsp;sender =

    pretending to be eBay.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>The worst trick is that he tries to make me click on a link =
that=20
    looks as if it were originating from eBay <A=20
    =
href=3D"http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&amp;ss=
PageName=3Dh?-fom:sin_US"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
    =
size=3D3>http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&amp;s=
sPageName=3Dh?-fom:sin_US</FONT></A>,=20
    yet when you look at the underlying HTML-source code, you see it's =
actually=20
    pointing to the location: <A=20
    =
href=3D"http://lounge.roomfour.net/image/index.html">http://lounge.roomfo=
ur.net/image/index.html</A>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>The domain roomfour.net is actually registered in=20
    Germany.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>Since I know that my email address was harvested from =
loopersdelight=20
    archive, I presume that other victims are to be found on this=20
    list.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>What I want to say: DON'T react to this mail if you =
received=20
    it,too.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>Best,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>Bernhard</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> eBay Security =
Validation=20
    [mailto:aw-confirm@ebay.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Freitag, 21. Januar =
2005=20
    09:17<BR><B>To:</B> loopdelightml@nosuch.biz<BR><B>Subject:</B> eBay =
Account=20
    Suspended<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><SPAN class=3Debay>
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buyer)=20
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Dear eBay Memberoooooops!!!

okay, i=B4m convinced :-)  won=B4t do that!!!


thanx, simon

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: wavecomputer360=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 1:18 AM
  Subject: Re: security issue: eBay Account Suspended


  Autodialer which will log onto your system, most likely, and if you =
fill in the form... trouble galore is about to happen.

  Stephen.


  =
_________________________________________________________________________=
__________________________________________

  "Our land is a rape machine, I=B4d go outside if it looked the other =
way. You wouldn=B4t believe the things they do." (Gary Numan / "Down in =
the Park")

  Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com


    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: snafu=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:58 PM
    Subject: Re: security issue: eBay Account Suspended


    what happens when one clicks??


      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Bernhard Wagner=20
      To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20
      Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:00 AM
      Subject: security issue: eBay Account Suspended


      Dear loopdwellers

      This is a rare occasion that I post a HTML mail to this forum.
      But it is the second putative mail I get from a sender pretending =
to be eBay.
      The worst trick is that he tries to make me click on a link that =
looks as if it were originating from eBay =
http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&ssPageName=3Dh=
?-fom:sin_US, yet when you look at the underlying HTML-source code, you =
see it's actually pointing to the location: =
http://lounge.roomfour.net/image/index.html.
      The domain roomfour.net is actually registered in Germany.

      Since I know that my email address was harvested from =
loopersdelight archive, I presume that other victims are to be found on =
this list.

      What I want to say: DON'T react to this mail if you received =
it,too.

      Best,
      Bernhard
      -----Original Message-----
      From: eBay Security Validation [mailto:aw-confirm@ebay.com]
      Sent: Freitag, 21. Januar 2005 09:17
      To: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz
      Subject: eBay Account Suspended



          =20


      Dear eBay Member,=20

      Due to recent account takeovers and unauthorized listings, eBay is =
introducing a new account verification method. From time to time, =
randomly selected accounts (seller and/or buyer) are subjected to an =
advanced verification process based on our merchant accounts/bank =
relations and customers credit card. eBay may also request in an email =
message scanned/faxed copies of one or more photo ID's. Your account =
confirmation may go wrong if your credit card/bank account is expired, =
or if you have changed your credit card number, billing address etc. =
without notifying us about the change. Subject of this verification =
process are also the accounts that have unpaid dues to eBay.=20
      Your account is not suspended, but if in 48 hours after you =
receive this message your account is not confirmed we reserve the right =
to suspend your eBay registration. If you received this notice and you =
are not the authorized account holder, please be aware that it is in =
violation of eBay policy to represent oneself as another eBay user. Such =
action may also be in violation of local, national, and/or international =
law. eBay is committed to assist law enforcement with any inquires =
related to attempts to misappropriate personal information with the =
intent to commit fraud or theft. Information will be provided at the =
request of law enforcement agencies to ensure that perpetrators are =
prosecuted to the full extent of the law.=20

      Note: If this is the second time you receive this notice, it might =
be because you have made a mistake when you entered your details or that =
the account was not updated at all.=20


      To confirm your identity with us click here:=20
      =
http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&ssPageName=3Dh=
?-fom:sin_US=20

      We apologize in advance for any inconvenience this may cause you =
and we would like to thank you for your cooperation as we review this =
matter.=20


      Respectfully,=20
      Trust and Safety Department=20
      eBay Inc.=20

          =20
          =20
          =20
          =20
             Copyright =A9 1995-2004 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>oooooops!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>okay, i=B4m convinced :-)&nbsp; won=B4t =
do=20
that!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>thanx, simon</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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  <A title=3Dwavecomputer360@gmx.de=20
  href=3D"mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de">wavecomputer360</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 22, =
2005 1:18=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: security issue: =
eBay Account=20
  Suspended</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Autodialer which will log onto your =
system, most=20
  likely, and if you fill in the form... trouble galore is about to=20
  happen.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Stephen.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  =
<DIV>____________________________________________________________________=
_______________________________________________</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>"Our land is a rape machine, I=B4d go outside if it looked the =
other way.=20
  You wouldn=B4t believe the things they do." (Gary Numan / "Down in the =

  Park")</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at <A=20
  href=3D"http://www.doombient.com">www.doombient.com</A></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dsimonabsent@gmx.de =
href=3D"mailto:simonabsent@gmx.de">snafu</A>=20
</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
    title=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 21, =
2005 10:58=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: security issue: =
eBay=20
    Account Suspended</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>what happens when one =
clicks??</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Dloopdelightml@nosuch.biz=20
      href=3D"mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz">Bernhard Wagner</A> =
</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
      title=3Dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com">loopers-delight@loope=
rs-delight.com</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 21, =
2005 11:00=20
      AM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> security issue: =
eBay Account=20
      Suspended</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
      size=3D2>Dear loopdwellers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
      size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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      <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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a&nbsp;sender=20
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color=3D#0000ff=20
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link that=20
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href=3D"http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayIsession.dll?userconfirm&amp;ss=
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sPageName=3Dh?-fom:sin_US</FONT></A>,=20
      yet when you look at the underlying HTML-source code, you see it's =

      actually pointing to the location: <A=20
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href=3D"http://lounge.roomfour.net/image/index.html">http://lounge.roomfo=
ur.net/image/index.html</A>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=3D#0000ff=20
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      <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
      size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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found on=20
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      <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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      <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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received=20
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      <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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      <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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      <DIV><SPAN class=3D161394909-21012005><FONT face=3DArial =
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"I bought my Virtualizer used--does that get me off the hook?"

well, back in '87, I bought my late-70s zebrawood tele body used, so I'd
say...ummm...yeah, sure, enjoy!   (LOL) Someone later told me that
zebrawood was endangered, which makes it about as politically correct as
peeing on a homeless man, but like I said, it's not as if I'd put in a
custom order. (Is it endangered, or have I been feeling guilty about
nothing?)

Welcome to Rationalization Workshop! I'll be your host... (hee hee!)

~Tim Mungenast


> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: 1/21/2005 2:35:00 PM
> Subject: Rambling Behringer Thread as World view primer
>
> I bought my Virtualizer used--does that get me off the hook?
> I personally enjoy all of these posts--thanks for sharing your POV and
> knowledge.  The diversity of folks on this list is wonderful!
> Gary
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Check this out...

If you start recording on a DL4, but end your record with hitting PLAY
ONCE, It will keep recording during that next play through.

Has anybody noticed this?  The record button isn't lit, but it sure is
recording!

Seems like a neat way to move on to another chord or phrase without
having to suddenly 'end' your loop by hitting 'stop', but you've got
your loop and overdub captured in there, just waiting to be played
again.

Best,
rich

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I have an 80's Univox  MX312 multi-echo. The unit works when it is on =
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Hello there Ebaying loopfolk.

Yeah. I've gotten a couple of those emails of late too. It was pretty easy 
for me to spot the fact that it was a phony 'cause this particular e-mail 
address/identity is not in any way connected to my eBay activities. I do all of that 
stuff under another address identity. Heheheh. But they didn't know that did 
they.

Best,

Ted Killian

PS: I am typing this on my iBook form a hotel in Anaheim, CA getting ready 
for another  crazy day at the NAMM show.

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Addressing the specific needs of their customers is not one of the
strenghts of the internet fraud enterprises. In my case, it was not only
sent to the wrong email address, it was also sent in the wrong language
;)

	Rainer

ps: mixing old recordings of my live project at home...

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Hello there Ebaying loopfolk.

Yeah. I've gotten a couple of those emails of late too. It was pretty
easy 
for me to spot the fact that it was a phony 'cause this particular
e-mail 
address/identity is not in any way connected to my eBay activities. I do
all of that 
stuff under another address identity. Heheheh. But they didn't know that
did 
they.

Best,

Ted Killian

PS: I am typing this on my iBook form a hotel in Anaheim, CA getting
ready 
for another  crazy day at the NAMM show.

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Hello folks!

Well, after my eBay gear selling/buying frenzy, I finally managed to
reconstruct my guitar system inside a new 8 space shockmount rack.  I
created an interactive and graphical tour of my rack and floor gear,
where you can click on an piece of gear and get a pop-up window that
links to websites with more information, sound clips, etc.  Note that I
bought more of your suggestions for tone altering effects too, such as
the Boss VF-1, which is amost a perfect rackmount replacement of my Boss
GT-3 and has the exact same synth sounds and much of the same patches. 

You can check it out here...

http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm

I'm also open to any suggestions for improvement too.especially better
web sites than what I have listed.

Cheers,

********************************* 
Krispen Hartung 
http://www.krispenhartung.com 
info@krispenhartung.com
View improvisational / real-time looping videos: 
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Well, after my eBay gear =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">You can check it out here...</FONT>
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<P><A HREF=3D"http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm"><U><FONT =
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Hello folks!

Well, after my eBay gear selling/buying frenzy, I finally managed to
reconstruct my guitar system inside a new 8 space shockmount rack.  I
created an interactive and graphical tour of my rack and floor gear,
where you can click on an piece of gear and get a pop-up window that
links to websites with more information, sound clips, etc.  Note that I
bought more of your suggestions for tone altering effects too, such as
the Boss VF-1, which is amost a perfect rackmount replacement of my Boss
GT-3 and has the exact same synth sounds and much of the same patches. 

You can check it out here...

http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm

I'm also open to any suggestions for improvement too.especially better
web sites than what I have listed.

Cheers,

********************************* 
Krispen Hartung 
http://www.krispenhartung.com 
info@krispenhartung.com
View improvisational / real-time looping videos: 
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Well, after my eBay gear =
selling/buying frenzy, I finally managed to reconstruct my guitar system =
inside a new 8 space shockmount rack.&nbsp; I created an interactive and =
graphical tour of my rack and floor gear, where you can click on an =
piece of gear and get a pop-up window that links to websites with more =
information, sound clips, etc.&nbsp; Note that I bought more of your =
suggestions for tone altering effects too, such as the Boss VF-1, which =
is amost a perfect rackmount replacement of my Boss GT-3 and has the =
exact same synth sounds and much of the same patches. </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">You can check it out here...</FONT>
</P>

<P><A HREF=3D"http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm"><U><FONT =
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FACE=3D"Verdana">http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm</FONT></U></A>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">I'm also open to any suggestions for =
improvement too&#8230;especially better web sites than what I have =
listed.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Cheers,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">********************************* =
</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Krispen Hartung </FONT>

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     As a builder of African marimbas, I get the occassional person ask about "responsably
harvested" wood.  I did quite a bit of research into it a few years back and came up with a rather
jaded view of the organizations "certifying" certain woods as "ecologically sound".

     As far as Zebrawood goes, there is plenty of it.  What we are running into short supply on is
the "quick tree".  Most of the world's supply of Zebrawood is growing in places that are not easy
to access or to haul wood from.  It sometimes has to be cut by hand and hauled for a long ways
before it can be loaded onto a truck.

     90% of the world's rainforest destruction is happening by "slash and burn" methods to make
way for monoagriculture.  This kinda puts the whole "should I boycott exotic hardwoods" question
into a different perspective.  

     I strongly encourage you to feel guilty if that is your path in life.

     Me, I stay out of the debate.  :)

           Stephen




> well, back in '87, I bought my late-70s zebrawood tele body used, so I'd
> say...ummm...yeah, sure, enjoy!   (LOL) Someone later told me that
> zebrawood was endangered, which makes it about as politically correct as
> peeing on a homeless man, but like I said, it's not as if I'd put in a
> custom order. (Is it endangered, or have I been feeling guilty about
> nothing?)


		
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We have a winner in the Looper's Delight Raffle!

The prize is Ableton's Live 4 software, generously donated by Ableton.

Thanks a lot to Ableton for making this possible. They are interested in 
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Congratulations Rainer. Ableton should be sending the software to you soon. 
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Lol-:)  I just might steal that line, and I won't feel guilty about it.
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  At one time I was involved in making tuned wooden percussion instruments 
and we discovered that there were hundreds of pallets made of tropical 
hardwoods to be had around the port of Portland.Most of them get thrown 
away.not even burned for heat.
  I'd say that buying used is not necessarily absolution ,but it is less 
wasteful. Getting the most of the resources we use is far better than just 
buying whatever's new and tossing it when the next one comes along


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I just realized two things:
1. I don't publish Afterglow PLaylists here.
2. Tom Greisgraber is on this list.

While I mull over whether I should start posting those playlists here, 
I'll just post some links to recent playlists where Tom's CD was played:
http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/playlists/2004/041104.html
http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/playlists/2004/041111.html
http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/playlists/2005/050113.html

Cheers,

Bill

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Damn, Steven, you make an excellent point! Perhaps my mind had blotted out
what I knew about the macro-scale destruction of forests. I feel like R.
Crumb's Flakey Foont character when he smacks his own forehead in
realization of having done something stoopid. When people in Brazil are
burning ACRES of excellent mahogany logs FOR F***KING CHARCOAL, it really
does not make sense to beat oneself up over having a guitar of tropical
wood, does it?
And you should see this zebra tele.... mmmmmm.... honey stain.... grain
like a million rivers...hypnotizing... scrotum-crushingly heavy, worse than
a Les Paul, but sounds and looks like a dream.
Yours in Perspective,
Tim 


> [Original Message]
> From: S V G <vsyevolod@yahoo.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: 1/22/2005 9:15:17 PM
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>
>
>      As a builder of African marimbas, I get the occassional person ask
about "responsably
> harvested" wood.  I did quite a bit of research into it a few years back
and came up with a rather
> jaded view of the organizations "certifying" certain woods as
"ecologically sound".
>
>      As far as Zebrawood goes, there is plenty of it.  What we are
running into short supply on is
> the "quick tree".  Most of the world's supply of Zebrawood is growing in
places that are not easy
> to access or to haul wood from.  It sometimes has to be cut by hand and
hauled for a long ways
> before it can be loaded onto a truck.
>
>      90% of the world's rainforest destruction is happening by "slash and
burn" methods to make
> way for monoagriculture.  This kinda puts the whole "should I boycott
exotic hardwoods" question
> into a different perspective.  
>
>      I strongly encourage you to feel guilty if that is your path in life.
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>      Me, I stay out of the debate.  :)
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>            Stephen
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> > well, back in '87, I bought my late-70s zebrawood tele body used, so I'd
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> > zebrawood was endangered, which makes it about as politically correct as
> > peeing on a homeless man, but like I said, it's not as if I'd put in a
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> > nothing?)
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they used it for pallets?!? 
and if that weren't screwed enuf, they tossed them away?!? 
aaaaaaarrrrrrrrgh!
wood is sacred stuff, to be used with reverence. 
jesus, who *are* these people?
(okay, deep breaths, inhale, exhale... okay, i feel better now....)


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> Subject: Re: buying it used = absolution
>
>   At one time I was involved in making tuned wooden percussion
instruments 
> and we discovered that there were hundreds of pallets made of tropical 
> hardwoods to be had around the port of Portland.Most of them get thrown 
> away.not even burned for heat.
>   I'd say that buying used is not necessarily absolution ,but it is less 
> wasteful. Getting the most of the resources we use is far better than
just 
> buying whatever's new and tossing it when the next one comes along
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Okay, so maybe the subject heading isn't entirely reflective of what I'm
about to suggest, but here's a concept. You know how most mixer boards
have several channels (mono or stereo, XLR, or line) and between 1 to 4
mono or stereo AUX channels for inserting effects devices in parallel
with the signal? Well, what would be cool is a sort of line mixer that
has only one stereo channel input, 8 or so stereo AUX channels with
their own level controls, and a stereo output.  That way, I could go
from my primary signal processor into the stereo channel, insert all my
other stereo effect processors in the AUX channels (reverb,
chorus/delay, and other tone mangling effects), and then run the output
of this inverted line mixer to my EDPs.  That way I could have total
control of the levels of all my effects and they would be in parallel to
my primary signal.  

Does such an animal exist? The the only thing close to this that I've
owned was a Rocktron MIDI patchbay. The only difference is that it had
no level control over each of the stereo loops.but it did have a stereo
input, stereo output, and 8 stereo loops in parallel. 

K-

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Does such an animal exist? The the =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">K-</FONT>
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Being an FX guy myself, I've often looked for something similar...only =20=

thing I know of is the Switchblade stuff, which I believe can be =20
configured that way....full-stereo FX busses are RARE!

http://www.soundsculpture.com/products/switchblade.htm

...these have always seemed too expensive, so I've not tried 'em; I =20
think they recently introduced an 8-channel version that's less $$.
dc


On Jan 23, 2005, at 7:50 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

> Okay, so maybe the subject heading isn't entirely reflective of what =20=

> I'm about to suggest, but here's a concept. You know how most mixer =20=

> boards have several channels (mono or stereo, XLR, or line) and =20
> between 1 to 4 mono or stereo AUX channels for inserting effects =20
> devices in parallel with the signal? Well, what would be cool is a =20
> sort of line mixer that has only one stereo channel input, 8 or so =20
> stereo AUX channels with their own level controls, and a stereo =20
> output.=A0 That way, I could go from my primary signal processor into =20=

> the stereo channel, insert all my other stereo effect processors in =20=

> the AUX channels (reverb, chorus/delay, and other tone mangling =20
> effects), and then run the output of this inverted line mixer to my =20=

> EDPs.=A0 That way I could have total control of the levels of all my =20=

> effects and they would be in parallel to my primary signal.=A0
>
>  Does such an animal exist? The the only thing close to this that I've =
=20
> owned was a Rocktron MIDI patchbay. The only difference is that it had =
=20
> no level control over each of the stereo loops=85but it did have a =20
> stereo input, stereo output, and 8 stereo loops in parallel.
>
>  K-
>
> *********************************
>  Krispen Hartung
> http://www.krispenhartung.com
> info@krispenhartung.com
> View improvisational / real-time looping videos:
> http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/=20
> catalogue.htm#videos
> Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm
>
> =20=

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Being an FX guy myself, I've often looked for something similar...only
thing I know of is the Switchblade stuff, which I believe can be
configured that way....full-stereo FX busses are RARE!


http://www.soundsculpture.com/products/switchblade.htm


...these have always seemed too expensive, so I've not tried 'em; I
think they recently introduced an 8-channel version that's less $$.

dc



On Jan 23, 2005, at 7:50 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:


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so maybe the subject heading isn't entirely reflective of what I'm
about to suggest, but here's a concept. You know how most mixer boards
have several channels (mono or stereo, XLR, or line) and between 1 to
4 mono or stereo AUX channels for inserting effects devices in
parallel with the signal? Well, what would be cool is a sort of line
mixer that has only one stereo channel input, 8 or so stereo AUX
channels with their own level controls, and a stereo output.=A0 That
way, I could go from my primary signal processor into the stereo
channel, insert all my other stereo effect processors in the AUX
channels (reverb, chorus/delay, and other tone mangling effects), and
then run the output of this inverted line mixer to my EDPs.=A0 That way
I could have total control of the levels of all my effects and they
would be in parallel to my primary =
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stereo output, and 8 stereo loops in =
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THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Every Wednesday Night @ THE TEQUiLA LOUNGE
http://www.tequilalounge.ca - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor
(directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto
Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Wednesday January 26th - Wally Jericho with SPROG

>From beyond the outskirts of the Urban Universe, Wally Jericho
returns via the homing beacon of THE AMBiENT PiNG's new
landing site. As Jericho Station makes this exciting journey
at aaa-amazing vvv-velocities using the braking power of the
closest and heaviest object (Kensington Moon) to the
unknowable C*O*R*E (city ordinaces requirements and
expanses), Ambient-TV will lauch a fully functional probe
packed with video tape to sync and attach to Jericho Station
as they use the "sling shot" effect to gently land and deploy
at the Tequila Space Lounge near the Annex Rings. This new
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Wally Jericho (trumpet'n'treatments, loops, bass)
SPROG of Ambient-TV (guitar, synthesizer)
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Between Sets CD - "Approaching Silence" by David Sylvian
We'll play Track 1 (32 minutes) which was created by Sylvian
on guitars, synths, shortwave & samples with Frank Perry
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Faceless Forces of Bigness enveloped PiNG-goers with
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Caught in a mid-January deep-freeze, this Torontonian was
reminded of warmer climes as the Faceless Forces presented
a surrealistic video road trip accompanied by a propulsive,
effects-driven soundtrack in their first set.

Creating a visual ambience that developed from looping retro
black & white images of the open road with infusions of
psychedelic color, the Faceless Forces' first set reminded
the audience of good things to come with out of the blue/green
images of butterflies and flowers - the stuff of hot, hazy 
summer days. Grounded by a pulsing soundscape and driven
by undercurrents of lyricism, their performance transformed
TAP into a nexus of possibility. This sense of possibility was
realized as the video images arrived in a landscape rife with
big city flashing lights. Devolving into images of random text,
the aural dimension was reinforced by an intermittent visual 
through-line of frequency indication. All in all, despite my
regret for having missed the second set, this journey was
a fit respite from a cold winter's night.

Always of the moment, PiNG organizers are also looking
to spring - and summer - with plans of a June "living room"
concert by James Johnson. While the details are still being
finalized, the event promises to be an intimate highlight
of the 2005 PiNG concert series.

Luna Tek  -  luna@theambientping.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Wow, the 16X16 Switchblade for guitar is insanely expensive ($2300), but
looks very powerful. I'm with you here...won't be buying that one in the
near future.
 
Th AuxPander that Dave suggests is interesting too, though a bit bulky,
and is marketed as a supplement to a normal mixer to expact aux. channel
capability.  
 
You'd think someone could just make a basic two space unit with all
manual controls...no MIDI or complex programming, just something like a
aux/channel inverted Mackie board. 
 
There is another possible way of approaching this problem. If I could
split the signal of the AUX sends on my current Mackie 1202 mixer, all
those split signals could go to the inputs of my effects processors.
Then I could run the outputs of the effect processors to the input
channels of the board. This is how most pro and industry strandard
effects are routed anway (both in the studin and live)...back into a
board channel for more control, EQ, accessibility, etc.  But I would
need some sort of device that would split the AUX send and keep the
levels up...almost like a powered one input multiple output mini mixer.
The Behringer MX882-ULTRALINK-PRO 8-Channel Splitter/Mixer wold work
here http://www.fullcompass.com/Products/pages/SKU--39245/.  
 
Kris

-----Original Message-----
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Being an FX guy myself, I've often looked for something similar...only
thing I know of is the Switchblade stuff, which I believe can be
configured that way....full-stereo FX busses are RARE!

http://www.soundsculpture.com/products/switchblade.htm

...these have always seemed too expensive, so I've not tried 'em; I
think they recently introduced an 8-channel version that's less $$.
dc


On Jan 23, 2005, at 7:50 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:



Okay, so maybe the subject heading isn't entirely reflective of what I'm
about to suggest, but here's a concept. You know how most mixer boards
have several channels (mono or stereo, XLR, or line) and between 1 to 4
mono or stereo AUX channels for inserting effects devices in parallel
with the signal? Well, what would be cool is a sort of line mixer that
has only one stereo channel input, 8 or so stereo AUX channels with
their own level controls, and a stereo output.  That way, I could go
from my primary signal processor into the stereo channel, insert all my
other stereo effect processors in the AUX channels (reverb,
chorus/delay, and other tone mangling effects), and then run the output
of this inverted line mixer to my EDPs.  That way I could have total
control of the levels of all my effects and they would be in parallel to
my primary signal. 



Does such an animal exist? The the only thing close to this that I've
owned was a Rocktron MIDI patchbay. The only difference is that it had
no level control over each of the stereo loops.but it did have a stereo
input, stereo output, and 8 stereo loops in parallel.



K-



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On Jan 24, 2005, at 5:09, David Coffin wrote:

> Being an FX guy myself, I've often looked for something similar...only 
> thing I know of is the Switchblade stuff, which I believe can be 
> configured that way....full-stereo FX busses are RARE!
>
> http://www.soundsculpture.com/products/switchblade.htm
>
> ...these have always seemed too expensive, so I've not tried 'em; I 
> think they recently introduced an 8-channel version that's less $$.
> dc


I could use something like that for choosing between my three stage 
inputs, which one to direct into the loopers. But I'd like it to be 
smaller than those rackmounted things. I've been checking out the Lehle 
  3@1 (http://www.lehle.com/) but it's so damn expensive! I once bought 
a Small Stone Switch Blade for ten dollars. It had a very simple 
construction with a bunch of switchers and I doubt you need anything 
more advanced when inputing instrument/mic lines into electronics. It's 
not like when you have dual amp stacks as alternate output. Am I right 
here?

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I own a blackface EDP and would like to add a Parameter Button to my Pedal.
I managed to reconstruct all functions
Record Overdub Multiply Insert Mute Undo NextLoop
with the help of:
http://loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html

except Parameters.

I tried both 28.0k and 33.2k and also some tweaking with a potentiometer but
didn't get it to work reliably. Often I'd get Overdub instead of Parameters.

Has anyone succeeded?

THX
Bernhard

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 I've been checking out the Lehle
> 3@1 (http://www.lehle.com/) but it's so damn expensive!
> Greetings from Sweden
> Per Boysen


i dont remember who said it but...
"Ya Gitz What Ya Payz Fer"
er, something like that...
fer me price has never interfered w/ my musical endeavors<even tho' i
cant/couldnt afford nothin>, simply because 'ya gitz what ya payz fer'
take the plunge sez me...:-)
s (Lehle Lover)

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On Jan 24, 2005, at 10:28, Bernhard Wagner wrote:

> I own a blackface EDP and would like to add a Parameter Button to my 
> Pedal.
> I managed to reconstruct all functions
> Record Overdub Multiply Insert Mute Undo NextLoop
> with the help of:
> http://loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html
>
> except Parameters.
>
> I tried both 28.0k and 33.2k and also some tweaking with a 
> potentiometer but
> didn't get it to work reliably. Often I'd get Overdub instead of 
> Parameters.
>
> Has anyone succeeded?


Haven't tried yet. I decided to sell my EDP foot pedal and use a midi 
pedal instead. It's more reliable and gives access to many more EDP 
parameters.

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very pretty: http://www.fdiskc.com/usrsyn/namm/2005/electrixmkII-tb.html

i think maybe it's time to sell my WarpFactory.

i'm going to replace it with a Micron and a rackmount mic pre or blank 
faceplate with an XLR input. i never use anything but one very plain 
setting on my WarpFactory, and i have to key it from an Alpha Juno 1. i 
think the Micron would be more efficient, and create room for my 
PC1600x and better fit next to the 909 on the sliding shelf i plan on 
moving to underneath the rack.

does anyone want to talk me out of selling my Warpfactory?
---
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At 04:38 24/01/05, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D""><font face=3D"Verdana" size=
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also open to any suggestions for improvement too=85</font>
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hi Krispen,<br>
It seems your signal passes through an awful lot of devices.<br>
Might be worth checking the quality of the bypass on those
units.<br><br>
...and as you've got a mixer in your setup, no need to stick to an 'all
in series' configuration.<br><br>
For instance, you could run the EDPs on the Alt3-4 outputs of your 1202
mixer, and bring them <br>
back on a stereo channel.<br>
The EDP mix controls are then both put to max and forgotten.&nbsp; <br>
...and it's then dead easy to run a mic into the EDPs if that becomes
necessary.<br><br>
Also it's worthwhile putting a reverb on an aux send, one advantage being
that reverb<br>
will sound more natural after the EDPs. ( because of loop boundaries, and
reverse).<br><br>
Or put a chain of FX on each aux send, bringing them back on a stereo
channel.<br><br>
I really liked the sound demos you did,<br>
great stuff.<br><br>
andy butler&nbsp; </body>
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very nice looking repeater! i wonder if the will sell
the faceplates...
Luis


--- Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:

> very pretty:
>
http://www.fdiskc.com/usrsyn/namm/2005/electrixmkII-tb.html
> 
> i think maybe it's time to sell my WarpFactory.
> 
> i'm going to replace it with a Micron and a
> rackmount mic pre or blank 
> faceplate with an XLR input. i never use anything
> but one very plain 
> setting on my WarpFactory, and i have to key it from
> an Alpha Juno 1. i 
> think the Micron would be more efficient, and create
> room for my 
> PC1600x and better fit next to the 909 on the
> sliding shelf i plan on 
> moving to underneath the rack.
> 
> does anyone want to talk me out of selling my
> Warpfactory?
> ---
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com
> 
> 


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Hi Andy,
good tips, maybe you can guide me as well.
I have an EDP in Aux1 and repeater in aux2,and the alt
3/4 outs are also being used with a MO-FX, EQ killer
and filter queen to process the loops.What i basically
want now is to send this effects also to the
individual tracks of the repeater,which has EFX
inserts and returns.The other thing is adding a bit of
reverb after the loopers to have it sound more natural
like you say.but ive run out of aux!would this be
possible? is too bad the mo-fx doesnt have reverb!
cheers
Luis



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---------------------------------
At 04:38 24/01/05, you wrote:
I'malso open to any suggestions for improvement too…
hi Krispen,
It seems your signal passes through an awful lot of
devices.
Might be worth checking the quality of the bypass on
thoseunits.

...and as you've got a mixer in your setup, no need to
stick to an 'allin series' configuration.

For instance, you could run the EDPs on the Alt3-4
outputs of your 1202mixer, and bring them 
back on a stereo channel.
The EDP mix controls are then both put to max and
forgotten.  
...and it's then dead easy to run a mic into the EDPs
if that becomesnecessary.

Also it's worthwhile putting a reverb on an aux send,
one advantage beingthat reverb
will sound more natural after the EDPs. ( because of
loop boundaries, andreverse).

Or put a chain of FX on each aux send, bringing them
back on a stereochannel.

I really liked the sound demos you did,
great stuff.

andy butler  


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Hey Kris,

> <http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm>http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm 

I like what you've done, but the popups don't work very well on IE 6.  When I click on a device, the blue box pops up and stays.  Then if I click on something else (if I can still see it) the next box may or may not pop up on top.  A couple times, it popped under the previous one.  Of course, I get around this by refreshing the whole window, but...

-Doug

P.S. I'm envious of your $750 EDPs...  I haven't been able to convince myself to pay the $950 they're asking now... 

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you might want to look at the Roger Linn's  Adrenalinn unit, it has a very 
musical built in arp and it can be synched to midi !! its great.

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>
>Hi all, not exactly looping but here is my question.
>Anyone know of a software Audio (not midi) Arpeggiator (audio unit, vst, 
>Application)  for OSX ?
>I cant seem to find any relevant info, i guess im looking for it in all the 
>wrong places.
>
>thanx
>
>Jan
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Still looks like an Instrument input on the front panel, though.

There have been rumours of the front panel input being removed from the
MKII, as one of the current modifications being done on MKI Repeaters is
improved grounding and shielding to lower the noise floor (and this
necessitates removing the front panel input).

Best,
Rich



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very nice looking repeater! i wonder if the will sell
the faceplates...
Luis


--- Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:

> very pretty:
>
http://www.fdiskc.com/usrsyn/namm/2005/electrixmkII-tb.html
> 
> i think maybe it's time to sell my WarpFactory.
> 
> i'm going to replace it with a Micron and a
> rackmount mic pre or blank 
> faceplate with an XLR input. i never use anything
> but one very plain 
> setting on my WarpFactory, and i have to key it from
> an Alpha Juno 1. i 
> think the Micron would be more efficient, and create
> room for my 
> PC1600x and better fit next to the 909 on the
> sliding shelf i plan on 
> moving to underneath the rack.
> 
> does anyone want to talk me out of selling my
> Warpfactory?
> ---
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com
> 
> 


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Funny this topic should come up, because I've been on the lookout for
3-way switchers for a while, ever since I incorporated mandolin into
my gig with the celtic band I play with. I have to switch between
acoustic, mandolin, and electric guitar during every gig. For the sake
of levelling the levels, I run everything into an A/B/Y switch right
now (and unplug one of the instruments to plug into the electric as
needed), but I've been looking for an easier way.

I'd actually considered getting a second A/B switch and feeding that
into the B input of the 'main' A/B switch. But now, it looks like
there are more options.

In addition to the Lehle 3@1 pedal, I also found an A/B/C switch by a
company called Audiotech. It looks like they are kinda like the Midi
Solutions of the audio world. They have A/B/Y switchers, A/B/C
switchers (that also allow you to combine any of the three signals),
A/B/C/D switchers, 1x2, 1x3, 1x4 passive splitter/mixers and some
other stuff that might be right up the alley of people around here.

I've got a question into them regarding an option they have for the
A/B/C switch, so we'll see what kind of service they provide before a
sale.

Their website is www.audiotechusa.com (which is actually a redirect to
audiotechusa.homestead.com).

At less than half the price of the Lehle 3@1, this might be what
you're looking for, Per.

If I get one, I'll report back with a review.

Cheers,

Jon Southwood

>  I've been checking out the Lehle
> > 3@1 (http://www.lehle.com/) but it's so damn expensive!
> > Greetings from Sweden
> > Per Boysen
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Thanks, Andy. I agree, especially about the reverb. Before I hooked this
system up, I was using my Alesis Nanoverb reverb in the AUX of the mixer
and it sounded much better.  Now that I have the LXP-1, it should be an
even greater improvement, and other players who plug into my mxer can
enjoy that high quality Lexicon reverb rather than me hogging it to my
self.  If I just had three stereo AUX loops!!! Arggggg. I would run the
EDP in one, reverb in one, and one of my problematic units in
another...namely the LXP-5. For some reason the LXP5 is louder in
bi-bass than when it is wet, unless any of the other units, which I can
level with no problems. 
 
...guess I have my re-wiring work cut out for me this week. :)
 
Kris
 
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At 04:38 24/01/05, you wrote:


I'm also open to any suggestions for improvement too. 


hi Krispen,
It seems your signal passes through an awful lot of devices.
Might be worth checking the quality of the bypass on those units.

...and as you've got a mixer in your setup, no need to stick to an 'all
in series' configuration.

For instance, you could run the EDPs on the Alt3-4 outputs of your 1202
mixer, and bring them 
back on a stereo channel.
The EDP mix controls are then both put to max and forgotten.  
...and it's then dead easy to run a mic into the EDPs if that becomes
necessary.

Also it's worthwhile putting a reverb on an aux send, one advantage
being that reverb
will sound more natural after the EDPs. ( because of loop boundaries,
and reverse).

Or put a chain of FX on each aux send, bringing them back on a stereo
channel.

I really liked the sound demos you did,
great stuff.

andy butler  


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Before I hooked this system up, I was using my Alesis Nanoverb reverb in =
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LXP-1, it=20
should be an even greater improvement, and other players who plug into =
my mxer=20
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</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
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me this=20
week. :)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original =
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butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January =
24, 2005=20
4:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B> =
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
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becomes=20
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send, one=20
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(=20
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Thanks, Andy. I agree, especially about the reverb. Before I hooked this
system up, I was using my Alesis Nanoverb reverb in the AUX of the mixer
and it sounded much better.  Now that I have the LXP-1, it should be an
even greater improvement, and other players who plug into my mxer can
enjoy that high quality Lexicon reverb rather than me hogging it to my
self.  If I just had three stereo AUX loops!!! Arggggg. I would run the
EDP in one, reverb in one, and one of my problematic units in
another...namely the LXP-5. For some reason the LXP5 is louder in
bi-bass than when it is wet, unless any of the other units, which I can
level with no problems. 
 
...guess I have my re-wiring work cut out for me this week. :)
 
Kris
 
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At 04:38 24/01/05, you wrote:


I'm also open to any suggestions for improvement too. 


hi Krispen,
It seems your signal passes through an awful lot of devices.
Might be worth checking the quality of the bypass on those units.

...and as you've got a mixer in your setup, no need to stick to an 'all
in series' configuration.

For instance, you could run the EDPs on the Alt3-4 outputs of your 1202
mixer, and bring them 
back on a stereo channel.
The EDP mix controls are then both put to max and forgotten.  
...and it's then dead easy to run a mic into the EDPs if that becomes
necessary.

Also it's worthwhile putting a reverb on an aux send, one advantage
being that reverb
will sound more natural after the EDPs. ( because of loop boundaries,
and reverse).

Or put a chain of FX on each aux send, bringing them back on a stereo
channel.

I really liked the sound demos you did,
great stuff.

andy butler  


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Before I hooked this system up, I was using my Alesis Nanoverb reverb in =
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LXP-1, it=20
should be an even greater improvement, and other players who plug into =
my mxer=20
can enjoy that high quality Lexicon reverb rather than me hogging it to =
my=20
self.&nbsp; If I just had three stereo AUX loops!!! Arggggg. I would run =
the EDP=20
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another...namely the=20
LXP-5. For some reason the LXP5 is louder in bi-bass than when it is =
wet, unless=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
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me this=20
week. :)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original =
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Hello!
I juste bought an EDP plus . It is a used unit, but almost new. It seems =
in perfect working order, except one little noise that sometimes appears =
over my loops; it sounds like "tick-tick-tick-tick"; it does not always =
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i had exactly this problem when i was putting my rack together - i got round 
it (very cheaply) by using a splitter box like this -

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/d2/page/shop/flypage/product_id/991/category_id/99b83856bb14cc97ff30736eae541cb6

which send stereo signals (via y-leads) to a repeater and two tc d-2's

the original signal and the outputs of the fx go into a MAM SLM-82 8 channel 
mixer -

http://www.mam-germany.de/

the fx units are set to 100% wet.

probably cost me about 120 quid and it's completely silent and very light!

sim


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Rane makes an SM26 or SM26B balanced which can split and or mix signals.

check out the Rane web site on SM26 and SM82 and then check ebay.  I picked 
up an SM26 for under $100.  the balanced ones are more.
You can take your signal into the SM26, split it to your effects.  If you 
only have  a few mono units you can then bring them back in from the FX units 
into the SM26 and mix them [each of the inputs can be switched to split or mix 
and has its own level control]
If you have more effects or stereo ones you can bring the effects back into a 
Rane SM 82 [also available on ebay for under $200] which can combine the 
singals mono or stereo with levels for each and mix them to stereo master output

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At 15:04 24/01/05, you wrote:
>There is another possible way of approaching this problem. If I could 
>split the signal of the AUX sends on my current Mackie 1202 mixer, all 
>those split signals could go to the inputs of my effects processors.

You could try splitting the signal with 22Kohm resistors to each effect 
input, and adding extra gain from the mixer.
The Behringer MX882-ULTRALINK-PRO 8 would work, that's what I use instead 
of a regular mixer,
it's very flexible and will function as splitter and mixer simultaneously.

andy butler
ps :-) bet you end up with a much simpler system





   

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Yep, this will help.  Based on Andy's tip, I just reconfigured my rack
so that my LXP1 is running through the AUX 1 of my Mackie 1202 mixer,
and the LXP5 is running through AUX 2. Two down, four to go.  This
splitter would allow me to split each AUX send into four sends.  Or I
may just get the new Mackie 1202 which has the additional AUX 3/4 sends
(my original 1202 doesn't have this feature).  The only thing I'm
concerned about now is that these AUX sends are mono and my effects
processors have stereo inputs.  Many units have one input that says
"mono" under it, which is comforting, but the LXP1 and LXP5 just say L
and R. Hence, I'm using a basic 1/4 inch Y cord....but that worries me,
because sometimes Y cords do weird things to the signal.   

I'll just buy two of these 1 in four out splitter boxes and get the new
Mackie 1202.

Kris



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i had exactly this problem when i was putting my rack together - i got
round 
it (very cheaply) by using a splitter box like this -

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/d2/page/shop/flypage/product_id/991/catego
ry_id/99b83856bb14cc97ff30736eae541cb6

which send stereo signals (via y-leads) to a repeater and two tc d-2's

the original signal and the outputs of the fx go into a MAM SLM-82 8
channel 
mixer -

http://www.mam-germany.de/

the fx units are set to 100% wet.

probably cost me about 120 quid and it's completely silent and very
light!

sim



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At 15:04 24/01/05, you wrote:
>Hi Andy,
>good tips, maybe you can guide me as well.
>I have an EDP in Aux1 and repeater in aux2,and the alt
>3/4 outs are also being used with a MO-FX, EQ killer
>and filter queen to process the loops.What i basically
>want now is to send this effects also to the
>individual tracks of the repeater,which has EFX
>inserts and returns.

Take the individual track outs of the repeater to different mixer input 
channels,
using stereo inputs as mono if necessary,
then you can send them where you want.


>The other thing is adding a bit of
>reverb after the loopers to have it sound more natural
>like you say.but ive run out of aux!would this be
>possible? is too bad the mo-fx doesnt have reverb!

how about putting the reverb after the mixer altogether.
You'd want a reverb with a volume out control and a good quality on the dry 
signal.

andy

>cheers
>Luis

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>> they removed the front panel input.<<

they /what/?

why???

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>>In the manual however it says you must use
a Roland Ev5 or Boss FV300 or risk damage to the unit.  Now this seems
like an empty scare tactic to make you buy roland gear but is there any
possibility that you could harm a device with an improper expression pedal?<<

kevin- didn't see anyone else reply to this yet.... there are some expression pedals that are different to other expression pedals.
to be honest, I don't even know what the accepted standard is for these things, despite being an engineer & despite having probably a dozen expression/volume pedals & a dozen devices that use them. but there's an "obvious" approach that's been pretty widely adopted, with line-6 & "moog music inc." (i.e. not bob) being the only dissidents.....

are you able to handle a stereo-jack with wires coming out of it, & a voltmeter? if so, you could work out whether the exp. socket on the vf-1 is wired like I expect it would be (knowing boss....). you'll probably find that the jack's sleeve is grounded (measure to the chassis of the vf-1) & that the tip is at 5V. whatever you send back to the unit on the third (ring) connection has to be between these two voltages.

but you need to make sure that the pedal isn't able to ground the 5V connection..... this could happen if you were to use a line-6 expression pedal where the tip & ring are reversed. 

the other thing to bear in mind is that some devices are set up so that the full range of expression is obtained with a small change in voltage, while some pedals are actually volume pedals pressed into service as exp. pedals & their travel goes from nothing to full-on.

now, I can't believe that boss would manufacture something wherein either scenario would finish off the box completely.... but nonetheless, their imprecations are not to be taken lightly. & the fv300 will probably last longer than the cheap shit I buy (zoom, proel &c) simply because it's got "boss" written on it.

duncan.


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;In the manual however it says you must use</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>a Roland Ev5 or Boss FV300 or risk damage to the unit.&n=
bsp; Now this seems</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>like an empty scare tactic to make you buy roland gear b=
ut is there any</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>possibility that you could harm a device with an imprope=
r expression pedal?&lt;&lt;</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>kevin- didn't see anyone else reply to this yet.... there=
 are some expression pedals that are different to other expression pedals.<=
/FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>to be honest, I don't even know what the accepted standar=
d is for these things, despite being an engineer &amp; despite having proba=
bly a dozen expression/volume pedals &amp; a dozen devices that use them. b=
ut there's an &quot;obvious&quot; approach that's been pretty widely adopte=
d, with line-6 &amp; &quot;moog music inc.&quot; (i.e. not bob) being the o=
nly dissidents.....</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>are you able to handle a stereo-jack with wires coming ou=
t of it, &amp; a voltmeter? if so, you could work out whether the exp. sock=
et on the vf-1 is wired like I expect it would be (knowing boss....). you'l=
l probably find that the jack's sleeve is grounded (measure to the chassis =
of the vf-1) &amp; that the tip is at 5V. whatever you send back to the uni=
t on the third (ring) connection has to be between these two voltages.</FON=
T></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>but you need to make sure that the pedal isn't able to gr=
ound the 5V connection..... this could happen if you were to use a line-6 e=
xpression pedal where the tip &amp; ring are reversed. </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>the other thing to bear in mind is that some devices are =
set up so that the full range of expression is obtained with a small change=
 in voltage, while some pedals are actually volume pedals pressed into serv=
ice as exp. pedals &amp; their travel goes from nothing to full-on.</FONT><=
/P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>now, I can't believe that boss would manufacture somethin=
g wherein either scenario would finish off the box completely.... but nonet=
heless, their imprecations are not to be taken lightly. &amp; the fv300 wil=
l probably last longer than the cheap shit I buy (zoom, proel &amp;c) simpl=
y because it's got &quot;boss&quot; written on it.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>duncan.</FONT>
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Doug,

> I haven't been able to convince myself to pay the $950 
> they're asking now...

Just be thankful you don't have to have it shipped to Europe. I just 
took the plunge and bought a new EDP from a US dealer. What with 
shipping, import duty and VAT (25%!) it cost me about 1000 Euro in all. 
That's still at least 150-350 Euro cheaper than what European dealers 
charge - if they actually had them in stock, that is! So I still think 
I got a good deal.

I've seen people selling second-hand beigeface EDPs for 950 EURO on 
Ebay ...
 
-- 

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Hi Andy,
This is the way i have my spagetti hooked up:

Guitar out-Roland Synth
Roland synth guitar out-roland preamp input-stereo
outs-mackie input 1/2
Roland synth stereo outs-mackie inputs 3/4
aux 1 send-Rpter-outs-mackie input 5/6
aux 2 send- EDP-out- mackie  input 7
Akai sampler- mackie 9/10
mackie alt 3/4-Electrix Mofx-filter queen-Eq
killer-mackie 11/12


So as you see i have no channels left on my 1202, this
is why i was thinking additionally routing up somehow
the Electrix pro Mods through the repeaters inserts
and returns.Now, the Electrix  pro EQ killer has 2
sets of inputs and outputs so i suppose i could send
that one to the repeaters insets and returns.Then
maybe the Eq killers outputs to the filter queen ins
and outs,now i have to get some cables to try this
out...
does it make sense?
cheers
Luis




--- a k butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> At 15:04 24/01/05, you wrote:
> >Hi Andy,
> >good tips, maybe you can guide me as well.
> >I have an EDP in Aux1 and repeater in aux2,and the
> alt
> >3/4 outs are also being used with a MO-FX, EQ
> killer
> >and filter queen to process the loops.What i
> basically
> >want now is to send this effects also to the
> >individual tracks of the repeater,which has EFX
> >inserts and returns.
> 
> Take the individual track outs of the repeater to
> different mixer input 
> channels,
> using stereo inputs as mono if necessary,
> then you can send them where you want.
> 
> 
> >The other thing is adding a bit of
> >reverb after the loopers to have it sound more
> natural
> >like you say.but ive run out of aux!would this be
> >possible? is too bad the mo-fx doesnt have reverb!
> 
> how about putting the reverb after the mixer
> altogether.
> You'd want a reverb with a volume out control and a
> good quality on the dry 
> signal.
> 
> andy
> 
> >cheers
> >Luis
> 
> 


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Hi all,
I just started looping with the arrival of my EDP+ about a month ago and 
I try to create a new sound collage/loop every day.  Spending some time 
every day working on music has been my routine for quite awhile.  My 
primary musical activity of the past 20+ years has been to write and 
record "songs".  This is a very goal oriented activity which looks 
toward the end result being a CD of my music.  The hardest aspect of 
this mode of work is that I work out a part and once it's recorded, I 
have no real reason to play it again.  It's like saying goodbye to a 
great new friend as soon as you capture a representative recording of it.

Anyway, since I started looping I've made it a point to not record 
anything.  This is very exciting and unfamiliar ground for me.  There 
have been some pieces that I turn the feedback knob back as I sit 
debating whether to let the creation fade into the ether or hit a record 
button somewhere fast!  So far, I just let them all fade away.  It 
definitely forces me to focus on my music very differently than I did 
before...the point being the present moment rather than the future 
finished piece.  I come to looping from a Fripp/Eno place and am 
familiar with Fripp's perspectives of music and musicians.  I just never 
thought I'd find it this much fun to do myself!

I'm not really as much of a serious nutcase as this sounds (hmmm...or am 
I???), but it's trippy to me that deciding to try realtime looping has 
opened this whole philosophical area for exploration that I never really 
tried before. 

Dennis 

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Hi Doug -

To make the pop-up windows go away, you have to double-click on the
unit. Click to the unit to pop up the info window...double-click to make
it scram.

Yes, I had pre-ordered those EDPs from MF long before they were ready to
ship. Then a few months after they came in, the prices jacked up. 

I still can't believe there isn't a single space, stereo looping device
on the market yet...like the EDP. I saw some post on LP where someone
was hinting of some new product like this.  If the quality was high, I'd
consider selling both of my EDPs to save a rack space. 
K-


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Hey Kris,

> <http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm>http://www.boisemusicians.com/
> gear.htm

I like what you've done, but the popups don't work very well on IE 6.
When I click on a device, the blue box pops up and stays.  Then if I
click on something else (if I can still see it) the next box may or may
not pop up on top.  A couple times, it popped under the previous one.
Of course, I get around this by refreshing the whole window, but...

-Doug

P.S. I'm envious of your $750 EDPs...  I haven't been able to convince
myself to pay the $950 they're asking now... 


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hey kidz:
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An outfit called www.loooper.com (3 o's) makes handbuilt, cost-effective
mechanical true-bypass boxes, but that approach may be best suited for mono
stompboxes; stereo stuff, jees, looping multiple stereo boxes in and out of
the path could be hell, but this guy could probably build something
sensible if you told him what you wanted... ditto Brian at indyguitarist.com
~Tim


> [Original Message]
> From: Per Boysen <per@boysen.se>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: 1/24/2005 4:01:46 AM
> Subject: Switch Blade (was: Re: Mixer Board Stood On Its Head)
>
> On Jan 24, 2005, at 5:09, David Coffin wrote:
>
> > Being an FX guy myself, I've often looked for something similar...only 
> > thing I know of is the Switchblade stuff, which I believe can be 
> > configured that way....full-stereo FX busses are RARE!
> >
> > http://www.soundsculpture.com/products/switchblade.htm
> >
> > ...these have always seemed too expensive, so I've not tried 'em; I 
> > think they recently introduced an 8-channel version that's less $$.
> > dc
>
>
> I could use something like that for choosing between my three stage 
> inputs, which one to direct into the loopers. But I'd like it to be 
> smaller than those rackmounted things. I've been checking out the Lehle 
>   3@1 (http://www.lehle.com/) but it's so damn expensive! I once bought 
> a Small Stone Switch Blade for ten dollars. It had a very simple 
> construction with a bunch of switchers and I doubt you need anything 
> more advanced when inputing instrument/mic lines into electronics. It's 
> not like when you have dual amp stacks as alternate output. Am I right 
> here?
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
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Am I correct in assuming that most digital FX run your signal through the converters even in bypass? Is the Vortex like that, f'rinstance? 
BTW, my coal-burning modem won't play me any samples from the Interactive-Graphical Tour, so I may need some sonic descriptions:  I see the red Boss half-rack does synth... can it approximate the Wakeman mellotron sound? Does it do Sheltering Sky/Nuages '81-84 Crimson gtr synth? 
~Tim


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At 04:38 24/01/05, you wrote:

I'm also open to any suggestions for improvement too… 

hi Krispen,
It seems your signal passes through an awful lot of devices.
Might be worth checking the quality of the bypass on those units.

...and as you've got a mixer in your setup, no need to stick to an 'all in series' configuration.

For instance, you could run the EDPs on the Alt3-4 outputs of your 1202 mixer, and bring them 
back on a stereo channel.
The EDP mix controls are then both put to max and forgotten.  
...and it's then dead easy to run a mic into the EDPs if that becomes necessary.

Also it's worthwhile putting a reverb on an aux send, one advantage being that reverb
will sound more natural after the EDPs. ( because of loop boundaries, and reverse).

Or put a chain of FX on each aux send, bringing them back on a stereo channel.

I really liked the sound demos you did,
great stuff.

andy butler  
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<DIV>Am I correct in assuming that most digital FX run your signal through the converters even in bypass? Is the Vortex like that, f'rinstance? </DIV>
<DIV>BTW, my coal-burning modem won't play me any samples from the Interactive-Graphical Tour, so I may need some sonic descriptions: &nbsp;I see the red Boss half-rack does synth...&nbsp;can it&nbsp;approximate the Wakeman mellotron sound? Does it do Sheltering Sky/Nuages '81-84 Crimson gtr synth?&nbsp;</DIV>
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http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/050122.html

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                    Show #60                    January 22, 2005.

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Spock's Beard           Welcome Home to NYC      Snow (InsideOut)
Spock's Beard           Love Beyond Words        Snow (InsideOut)
Spock's Beard           The 39th St. Blues       Snow (InsideOut)


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Not sure I can answer your first question. All I can say is that every
unit acts differently in bipass.  Just about everything in my rack
sounds "relatively" transparent in bipass except the LXP-5.  Of course,
I'm mangling the tone of the acoustic guitar so much that I really have
no reference point. All I care about is noise....NO noise or hiss. I
loath it, especially when I'm recording direct into my mBox.  The LXP-5
is my problem child right now....but not for long. I just bought the
newer Mackie 1202 with the extra 3/4 aux outs...I'm going to give it a
channel of its own and keep the level down until I use it. Someone more
engineer-like in the group will have to answer your question about
converters.
 
As to your second question, the Boss VF-1 has four synth wav forms:
square, saw, brass, and bow (same as the Boss GT-3 that's on my floor).
These are fairly industry standard terms, each implying a particular
sound. And the Boss allows you to alter several parameters of each wave:
sensitivity, chromatic, cut off frequency, octave shift, resonance,
filter sensitivity, filter decay, filter depth, attack, release,
velocity, hold, synth level, and guitar level. These allow you to
generate some pretty far out synth tones.  For those of you who have
heard my sound clips, you probably noted the synth tone that sounds sort
of brassy, but very mellow (almost tenor flute like). I'm using the
brass wave, but with the resonance turned down to be mellow.   Not all
of the synth waves on the VF1/GT3 track as well. The brass is excellent.
Saw is not that good for soloing. I created a patch that sounds very
close to the Roland GR300 synth, but it tracked horribly...so I stick to
what works for me.  Honestly, however, I spent years looking for a
non-hex synth unit, and the Boss VF1/GT3 are the best I could find for
the money....I emphasize "for the money". 
 
Kris
 
 
-----Original Message 
From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:00 PM
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Am I correct in assuming that most digital FX run your signal through
the converters even in bypass? Is the Vortex like that, f'rinstance? 
BTW, my coal-burning modem won't play me any samples from the
Interactive-Graphical Tour, so I may need some sonic descriptions:  I
see the red Boss half-rack does synth... can it approximate the Wakeman
mellotron sound? Does it do Sheltering Sky/Nuages '81-84 Crimson gtr
synth? 
~Tim
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: a k  <mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> butler 
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: 1/24/2005 6:59:11 AM 
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At 04:38 24/01/05, you wrote:


I'm also open to any suggestions for improvement too. 


hi Krispen,
It seems your signal passes through an awful lot of devices.
Might be worth checking the quality of the bypass on those units.

...and as you've got a mixer in your setup, no need to stick to an 'all
in series' configuration.

For instance, you could run the EDPs on the Alt3-4 outputs of your 1202
mixer, and bring them 
back on a stereo channel.
The EDP mix controls are then both put to max and forgotten.  
...and it's then dead easy to run a mic into the EDPs if that becomes
necessary.

Also it's worthwhile putting a reverb on an aux send, one advantage
being that reverb
will sound more natural after the EDPs. ( because of loop boundaries,
and reverse).

Or put a chain of FX on each aux send, bringing them back on a stereo
channel.

I really liked the sound demos yo! u did,
great stuff.

andy butler  


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probably=20
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down to be=20
mellow.&nbsp;&nbsp; Not all of the synth waves on the VF1/GT3 track as =
well. The=20
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patch=20
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horribly...so I=20
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looking for a=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
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January 24,=20
2005 8:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
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  <DIV>Am I correct in assuming that most digital FX run your signal =
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Wakeman=20
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    <A title=3Dakbutler@tiscali.co.uk =
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    Krispen,<BR>It seems your signal passes through an awful lot of=20
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those=20
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stick=20
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run the=20
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    stereo channel.<BR>The EDP mix controls are then both put to max and =

    forgotten.&nbsp; <BR>...and it's then dead easy to run a mic into =
the EDPs=20
    if that becomes necessary.<BR><BR>Also it's worthwhile putting a =
reverb on=20
    an aux send, one advantage being that reverb<BR>will sound more =
natural=20
    after the EDPs. ( because of loop boundaries, and =
reverse).<BR><BR>Or put a=20
    chain of FX on each aux send, bringing them back on a stereo=20
    channel.<BR><BR>I really liked the sound demos yo! u did,<BR>great=20
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It was causing much of the noise of the unit.


On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:24:13 -0000, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com
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On Jan 24, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Dennis Montgomery wrote:

>
> Anyway, since I started looping I've made it a point to not record 
> anything.  This is very exciting and unfamiliar ground for me.  There 
> have been some pieces that I turn the feedback knob back as I sit 
> debating whether to let the creation fade into the ether or hit a 
> record button somewhere fast!  So far, I just let them all fade away.  
> It definitely forces me to focus on my music very differently than I 
> did before...the point being the present moment rather than the future 
> finished piece.  I come to looping from a Fripp/Eno place and am 
> familiar with Fripp's perspectives of music and musicians.  I just 
> never thought I'd find it this much fun to do myself!
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I have developed a VST software looper, the Loopy Llama, that emulates
many of the best features of the Lexicon Jam Man, Frippertronics, and the
Line6 DL-4.  I am curious about the opinions of the looping community
towards a looping plugin, and I am distributing it free right now.  Please
see http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 for details on the looper.

Do not discount this just because it requires a computer, it is designed
for REAL-TIME use with a foot controller.  The act of using a computer
live is still in its infancy but it IS starting to happen for the less
nerdy types. A reasonably priced laptop and pro audio interface can now
compete with the latency of a dsp foot pedal (yes, they do have latency). 
I have the technical info to back that up at
http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=19.  I hope this is the start of a new
outlet for live looping,  Line6 seems to think it's "no longer marketable"
and sadly discontinued the DL-4.

Let me know your thoughts,

Chris
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At 04:00 25/01/05, you wrote:
>Hi Andy,
>This is the way i have my spagetti hooked up:
>
>Guitar out-Roland Synth
>Roland synth guitar out-roland preamp input-stereo
>outs-mackie input 1/2
>Roland synth stereo outs-mackie inputs 3/4
>aux 1 send-Rpter-outs-mackie input 5/6
>aux 2 send- EDP-out- mackie  input 7
>Akai sampler- mackie 9/10
>mackie alt 3/4-Electrix Mofx-filter queen-Eq
>killer-mackie 11/12
>
>
>So as you see i have no channels left on my 1202,

you still didn't use the tape input :-)

...if you bring something in on Aux 2 in, you can route it to aux1 out,
does that help.

>  this
>is why i was thinking additionally routing up somehow
>the Electrix pro Mods through the repeaters inserts
>and returns.Now, the Electrix  pro EQ killer has 2
>sets of inputs and outputs so i suppose i could send
>that one to the repeaters insets and returns.Then
>maybe the Eq killers outputs to the filter queen ins
>and outs,now i have to get some cables to try this
>out...
>does it make sense?

i don't see how you can use the electrix FX in two places at once,
but then I'm unfamiliar as to how the electrix ins/outs/inserts work.
...wouldn't a solution which just used the mixer would be easier to operate?



if you want to effect the repeater tracks individually, then bring them
to separate channels

possibly bring the EDP in on Aux 2

Bring your stereo roland stuff into the mixer on stereo inputs instead of 
using up the mono channels.

Hope that makes sense.


>cheers
>Luis


have fun with that then

andy


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I have developed a VST software looper, the Loopy Llama, that emulates
many of the best features of the Lexicon Jam Man, Frippertronics, and the
Line6 DL-4.  I am curious about the opinions of the looping community
towards a looping plugin, and I am distributing it free right now.  Please
see http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 for details on the looper.

Do not discount this just because it requires a computer, it is designed
for REAL-TIME use with a foot controller.  The act of using a computer
live is still in its infancy but it IS starting to happen for the less
nerdy types. A reasonably priced laptop and pro audio interface can now
compete with the latency of a dsp foot pedal (yes, they do have latency).
I have the technical info to back that up at
http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=19.  I hope this is the start of a new
outlet for live looping,  Line6 seems to think it's "no longer marketable"
and sadly discontinued the DL-4.

Let me know your thoughts,

Chris
http://rekliner.com




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On Jan 25, 2005, at 1:49, Dennis Montgomery wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just started looping with the arrival of my EDP+ about a month ago 
> and I try to create a new sound collage/loop every day.  Spending some 
> time every day working on music has been my routine for quite awhile.  
> My primary musical activity of the past 20+ years has been to write 
> and record "songs".  This is a very goal oriented activity which looks 
> toward the end result being a CD of my music.  The hardest aspect of 
> this mode of work is that I work out a part and once it's recorded, I 
> have no real reason to play it again.  It's like saying goodbye to a 
> great new friend as soon as you capture a representative recording of 
> it.
>
> Anyway, since I started looping I've made it a point to not record 
> anything.  This is very exciting and unfamiliar ground for me.  There 
> have been some pieces that I turn the feedback knob back as I sit 
> debating whether to let the creation fade into the ether or hit a 
> record button somewhere fast!  So far, I just let them all fade away.  
> It definitely forces me to focus on my music very differently than I 
> did before...the point being the present moment rather than the future 
> finished piece.  I come to looping from a Fripp/Eno place and am 
> familiar with Fripp's perspectives of music and musicians.  I just 
> never thought I'd find it this much fun to do myself!
>
> I'm not really as much of a serious nutcase as this sounds (hmmm...or 
> am I???), but it's trippy to me that deciding to try realtime looping 
> has opened this whole philosophical area for exploration that I never 
> really tried before.
> Dennis


Dennis,

That was a very inspiring post! I'm thinking and feeling the same way.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Hi Chris,

After reading the specifications listed at the site I must say that I'm 
impressed. Great work! Myself I will have to await the Mac version to 
check it out in praxis. Hope it will be available as AU, which seems 
more "future proof" for the stuff I'm into.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Jan 25, 2005, at 10:04, Chris Kline wrote:

> I have developed a VST software looper, the Loopy Llama, that emulates
> many of the best features of the Lexicon Jam Man, Frippertronics, and 
> the
> Line6 DL-4.  I am curious about the opinions of the looping community
> towards a looping plugin, and I am distributing it free right now.  
> Please
> see http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 for details on the looper.
>
> Do not discount this just because it requires a computer, it is 
> designed
> for REAL-TIME use with a foot controller.  The act of using a computer
> live is still in its infancy but it IS starting to happen for the less
> nerdy types. A reasonably priced laptop and pro audio interface can now
> compete with the latency of a dsp foot pedal (yes, they do have 
> latency).
> I have the technical info to back that up at
> http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=19.  I hope this is the start of a new
> outlet for live looping,  Line6 seems to think it's "no longer 
> marketable"
> and sadly discontinued the DL-4.
>
> Let me know your thoughts,
>
> Chris
> http://rekliner.com



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Hi loopers,

In December i made a first announce, but as there are some threads 
related  to loopers with stereo, multitrack, multiple undo, etc. on the 
list, here is a second one.

I made a realtime multitrack standalone looper for mac os X.

His name is "Logelloop".

This software can record loops and permit some others operations like 
overdub, multiply, copy, copy to disc, mute, fade... with multitrack 
and multiple undo.


The release of Logelloop will be in the middle of 2005 but as we are 
now beta-testing the looper if some of you are interested on it,
you can contact me off-list at : logelloop-betatest@logellou.com and 
tell me what is your current system if you are interested for beeing a 
Logelloop beta tester.

For being able to run Logelloop you will needs :


An Apple Macintosh G4/1ghz/512Mo or more and running OS X.3.6.
Java 1.4.2_05 installed.
A midi foot keyboard (with noteon/noteoff) or a customized USB Keyboard!

Thanks,
Philippe OLLIVIER.

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Ive tried this before, but my effects (especially my
guitar preamp) sound kind of weak in the stereo
channels...
ill see what i can come up with
thanx
Luis




> 
> 
> 
> if you want to effect the repeater tracks
> individually, then bring them
> to separate channels
> 
> possibly bring the EDP in on Aux 2
> 
> Bring your stereo roland stuff into the mixer on
> stereo inputs instead of 
> using up the mono channels.
> 
> Hope that makes sense.
> 
> 
> >cheers
> >Luis
> 
> 
> have fun with that then
> 
> andy
> 
> 
> 


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hey all-

on friday january 28th there will be an event @

great scott - corner of comm & harvard in allston.
8pm - $6/$7ish - 18+
w/ tyondai braxton (tyondai.com, from nyc, member of battles,
live guitar/vocal looping)
night rally (no looping, but good stuff nonetheless,
nightrally.com)
polaris mine (members of the common cold, polarismine.com)
sean micka (member of the common cold, no looping, but his
brother does nice stuff w/ a repeater, which you can hear at
animalhospital.com)

and i will be performing inbetween all the bands doing loop
based stuff with my guitar & edp - you can hear what i do at
robberdotcom.com.

thanks for reading, and if you're from boston, come on out,
introduce yourself!

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Greetings Dennis and welcome to the wonderful world of
looping-as-philosophy!

The looping process certainly allows us to live with our creations quickly
and easily, and therefore gives us the opportunity to choose more clearly as
to what is worth preserving. For me, looping creates a genuine sense of
living with my actions (as in "Oops. I didn't mean to play that note. But
here it comes again. And Again. And again...") and of non-attachment (as in
"Hmmm, I've got a symphony of  fifty guitars swirling around. Do I really
want to keep it? Nah.").

Buddha-Looping!

Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis Montgomery" <morpheus@speakeasy.net>
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> Hi all,
> I just started looping with the arrival of my EDP+ about a month ago and
> I try to create a new sound collage/loop every day.  Spending some time
> every day working on music has been my routine for quite awhile.  My
> primary musical activity of the past 20+ years has been to write and
> record "songs".  This is a very goal oriented activity which looks
> toward the end result being a CD of my music.  The hardest aspect of
> this mode of work is that I work out a part and once it's recorded, I
> have no real reason to play it again.  It's like saying goodbye to a
> great new friend as soon as you capture a representative recording of it.
>
> Anyway, since I started looping I've made it a point to not record
> anything.  This is very exciting and unfamiliar ground for me.  There
> have been some pieces that I turn the feedback knob back as I sit
> debating whether to let the creation fade into the ether or hit a record
> button somewhere fast!  So far, I just let them all fade away.  It
> definitely forces me to focus on my music very differently than I did
> before...the point being the present moment rather than the future
> finished piece.  I come to looping from a Fripp/Eno place and am
> familiar with Fripp's perspectives of music and musicians.  I just never
> thought I'd find it this much fun to do myself!
>
> I'm not really as much of a serious nutcase as this sounds (hmmm...or am
> I???), but it's trippy to me that deciding to try realtime looping has
> opened this whole philosophical area for exploration that I never really
> tried before.
>
> Dennis
>

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To: "spoof@paypal. com" <spoof@paypal.com>  -- though In get so many 
of these now I haven't been bothering,

At 9:41 PM -0500 1/24/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote:
>hey kidz:
>i just got one of those paypal phisining e-mails... did somebody 
>list an address where I could report this, and if so, could you lay 
>it on me again, please?
>To reciprocate, I will give you cats the FTC's fraud address 
><mailto:addressuce@ftc.gov>uce@ftc.gov ... I fwd. all my spam to 
>them and to earthlink's fraud address as well. To me it's like the 
>lottery... you can't win if you don't play... there may be a chance 
>that forwarding your e-junk to The Authorities will do some good 
>somehow.
>
>Tim Mungenast
><http://www.cdbaby.com/mungenast>www.cdbaby.com/mungenast
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Wow, with the reintroduction of the Repeater, the EDP back in stores
and all the new plug-in/software loopers, we might look back on these
days as the golden age of looping.  Just a thought. . .
-- 
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Has anyone tried the Onyx mixers by Mackie, especially with the 
firewire option?

Jeff Evans

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Nobody knows? Please, help me...
I have tried to put off and back tle memory simms (saw that in the =
archives) without any result.
Thanks for helping me...

----- Original Message -----=20
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Hello!
I juste bought an EDP plus . It is a used unit, but almost new. It seems =
in perfect working order, except one little noise that sometimes appears =
over my loops; it sounds like "tick-tick-tick-tick"; it does not always =
appear, I've found no "logic" in the way or frequency this noise =
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Has anyone had this kind of problem yet? Do you know where it could come =
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Thanks for your help!
PS: I'm french, sorry about my english ;-)
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take your wrist watch off the electric guitar mike

Claude


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Nobody knows? Please, help me...
I have tried to put off and back tle memory simms (saw that in the archives) 
without any result.
Thanks for helping me...

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem


Hello!
I juste bought an EDP plus . It is a used unit, but almost new. It seems in 
perfect working order, except one little noise that sometimes appears over 
my loops; it sounds like "tick-tick-tick-tick"; it does not always appear, 
I've found no "logic" in the way or frequency this noise appears.
Has anyone had this kind of problem yet? Do you know where it could come 
from?
Thanks for your help!
PS: I'm french, sorry about my english ;-) 

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lol
I already tried... But my watch is a digital one! lol
Any other idea?

----- Original Message ----- 
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> take your wrist watch off the electric guitar mike
>
> Claude
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cox" <cox1@tiscali.fr>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
>
>
> Nobody knows? Please, help me...
> I have tried to put off and back tle memory simms (saw that in the
archives)
> without any result.
> Thanks for helping me...
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Cox
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:10 PM
> Subject: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
>
>
> Hello!
> I juste bought an EDP plus . It is a used unit, but almost new. It seems
in
> perfect working order, except one little noise that sometimes appears over
> my loops; it sounds like "tick-tick-tick-tick"; it does not always appear,
> I've found no "logic" in the way or frequency this noise appears.
> Has anyone had this kind of problem yet? Do you know where it could come
> from?
> Thanks for your help!
> PS: I'm french, sorry about my english ;-)
>
>

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I apologize for committing a cardinal sin (or several)
with this post, but did anyone else have problems
viewing Krispen's post in Firefox?  I can't figure out
how to disable the font properties which makes the
text look so microscopic.  

Sorry Krispen if this looks like I'm picking on you...

Paolo

--- Krispen Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com> wrote:

> Not sure I can answer your first question. All I can
> say is that every
> unit acts differently in bipass.  Just about
> everything in my rack
> sounds "relatively" transparent in bipass except the
> LXP-5.  Of course,
> I'm mangling the tone of the acoustic guitar so much
> that I really have
> no reference point. All I care about is noise....NO
> noise or hiss. I
> loath it, especially when I'm recording direct into
> my mBox.  The LXP-5
> is my problem child right now....but not for long. I
> just bought the
> newer Mackie 1202 with the extra 3/4 aux outs...I'm
> going to give it a
> channel of its own and keep the level down until I
> use it. Someone more
> engineer-like in the group will have to answer your
> question about
> converters.
>  
> As to your second question, the Boss VF-1 has four
> synth wav forms:
> square, saw, brass, and bow (same as the Boss GT-3
> that's on my floor).
> These are fairly industry standard terms, each
> implying a particular
> sound. And the Boss allows you to alter several
> parameters of each wave:
> sensitivity, chromatic, cut off frequency, octave
> shift, resonance,
> filter sensitivity, filter decay, filter depth,
> attack, release,
> velocity, hold, synth level, and guitar level. These
> allow you to
> generate some pretty far out synth tones.  For those
> of you who have
> heard my sound clips, you probably noted the synth
> tone that sounds sort
> of brassy, but very mellow (almost tenor flute
> like). I'm using the
> brass wave, but with the resonance turned down to be
> mellow.   Not all
> of the synth waves on the VF1/GT3 track as well. The
> brass is excellent.
> Saw is not that good for soloing. I created a patch
> that sounds very
> close to the Roland GR300 synth, but it tracked
> horribly...so I stick to
> what works for me.  Honestly, however, I spent years
> looking for a
> non-hex synth unit, and the Boss VF1/GT3 are the
> best I could find for
> the money....I emphasize "for the money". 
>  
> Kris
>  
>  
> -----Original Message 
> From: Timothy Mungenast
> [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] 
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:00 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re:Interactive-Graphical Tour of a Guitar
> System
> 
> 
> 
> Am I correct in assuming that most digital FX run
> your signal through
> the converters even in bypass? Is the Vortex like
> that, f'rinstance? 
> BTW, my coal-burning modem won't play me any samples
> from the
> Interactive-Graphical Tour, so I may need some sonic
> descriptions:  I
> see the red Boss half-rack does synth... can it
> approximate the Wakeman
> mellotron sound? Does it do Sheltering Sky/Nuages
> '81-84 Crimson gtr
> synth? 
> ~Tim
>  
>  
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: a k  <mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> butler 
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: 1/24/2005 6:59:11 AM 
> Subject: Re:Interactive-Graphical Tour of a Guitar
> System
> 
> At 04:38 24/01/05, you wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm also open to any suggestions for improvement
> too. 
> 
> 
> hi Krispen,
> It seems your signal passes through an awful lot of
> devices.
> Might be worth checking the quality of the bypass on
> those units.
> 
> ...and as you've got a mixer in your setup, no need
> to stick to an 'all
> in series' configuration.
> 
> For instance, you could run the EDPs on the Alt3-4
> outputs of your 1202
> mixer, and bring them 
> back on a stereo channel.
> The EDP mix controls are then both put to max and
> forgotten.  
> ...and it's then dead easy to run a mic into the
> EDPs if that becomes
> necessary.
> 
> Also it's worthwhile putting a reverb on an aux
> send, one advantage
> being that reverb
> will sound more natural after the EDPs. ( because of
> loop boundaries,
> and reverse).
> 
> Or put a chain of FX on each aux send, bringing them
> back on a stereo
> channel.
> 
> I really liked the sound demos yo! u did,
> great stuff.
> 
> andy butler  
> 
> 


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Okay,

A couple of things to try. This sounds like it might be digital noise 
from
something other than the EDP, so to prove that it is or is not, answer
the following questions:

	1) Is it independent of where you plug it in? By this I mean, can you
	     take it (Just the EDP and amp) into the bathroom, plug it in and
	    still detect the noise?

	2) Is there anything you can do that will make the noise get faster
               or slower? Can you change the settings on the EDP and 
effect
	    the noise in some way (speed up, slow down, make random)?

In this way you can convince yourself (and us) that it is definitely a 
function of the EDP
alone or is caused by an outside factor.

Make sure you check all the cabling, the power connections, and the 
topology
(the order and distances from the other devices that it interacts with).

On Jan 25, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Cox wrote:

> lol
> I already tried... But my watch is a digital one! lol
> Any other idea?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Claude Voit" <c.voit@vtx.ch>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:45 PM
> Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
>
>
>> take your wrist watch off the electric guitar mike
>>
>> Claude
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cox" <cox1@tiscali.fr>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
>>
>>
>> Nobody knows? Please, help me...
>> I have tried to put off and back tle memory simms (saw that in the
> archives)
>> without any result.
>> Thanks for helping me...
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cox
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:10 PM
>> Subject: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
>>
>>
>> Hello!
>> I juste bought an EDP plus . It is a used unit, but almost new. It 
>> seems
> in
>> perfect working order, except one little noise that sometimes appears 
>> over
>> my loops; it sounds like "tick-tick-tick-tick"; it does not always 
>> appear,
>> I've found no "logic" in the way or frequency this noise appears.
>> Has anyone had this kind of problem yet? Do you know where it could 
>> come
>> from?
>> Thanks for your help!
>> PS: I'm french, sorry about my english ;-)
>>
>>
>
>
--
| Michael A. Firman
| maf@mlswebworks.com
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....or maybe this is the beginning of the end of the golden age....  :-)


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> Wow, with the reintroduction of the Repeater, the EDP back in stores
> and all the new plug-in/software loopers, we might look back on these
> days as the golden age of looping.  Just a thought. . .
> -- 
> Art Simon
> simart@null.net
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> http://artsimon.iuma.com
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Then we can move on to Platinum. :)

| ....or maybe this is the beginning of the end of the golden age....  :-)
| 
| 
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| > Wow, with the reintroduction of the Repeater, the EDP back in stores
| > and all the new plug-in/software loopers, we might look back on these
| > days as the golden age of looping.  Just a thought. . .
| > -- 
| > Art Simon
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| > http://artsimon.iuma.com
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I downloaded Loopy Llama this morning, and have been playing with it 
all day, lots of fun! I'm running it in Live, thus far it seems stable, 
and very useable! I like the reverse feature.

BTW, I'm playing a gig tomorrow at Luckey's Club Cigar, in Eugene OR, 
with the 7/11 Quartet. I'll be doing laptop looping in Live, along with 
playing bass and keys. It's my first live Live outing. Also in the band 
are Tim McLaughlin (trumpet/guitar), Matt Calkins(tenor/soprano 
sax/bass) and Steve Weems(drums). It'll be a largely free-improvised 
show.

On Tuesday, January 25, 2005, at 01:04 AM, Chris Kline wrote:

> I have developed a VST software looper, the Loopy Llama, that emulates
> many of the best features of the Lexicon Jam Man, Frippertronics, and 
> the
> Line6 DL-4.  I am curious about the opinions of the looping community
> towards a looping plugin, and I am distributing it free right now.  
> Please
> see http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 for details on the looper.
>
> Do not discount this just because it requires a computer, it is 
> designed
> for REAL-TIME use with a foot controller.  The act of using a computer
> live is still in its infancy but it IS starting to happen for the less
> nerdy types. A reasonably priced laptop and pro audio interface can now
> compete with the latency of a dsp foot pedal (yes, they do have 
> latency).
> I have the technical info to back that up at
> http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=19.  I hope this is the start of a new
> outlet for live looping,  Line6 seems to think it's "no longer 
> marketable"
> and sadly discontinued the DL-4.
>
> Let me know your thoughts,
>
> Chris
> http://rekliner.com
>
>
>

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Hi all,

I am deep into my usual post-NAMM depression (and a very nasty head and ches=
t=20

cold too) but I thought I post the list about something I saw on Saturday=20
night in LA.

The better half and I were having a hard time finding many good NAMM-related=
=20
musical events/activites during the evenings of the show (guess we weren't=20
invited
to any of the cool parties). So, picking up a Times Calendar Section we=20
noticed that
a favorite singer/songwriter acquaintance of ours (Glen Phillips of Toad the=
=20
Wet=20
Sprocket) was at Club Largo on Fairfax in LA.

We got there early enough to catch the opening act who (as it turned out) di=
d=20
quite=20
a lot of looping in his set with a DL-4. I had no idea who the guy was. I ha=
d=20
to ask=20
one of the club employees. The performer's name is Gerry Leonard. I guess=20
he's
done some work with Bowie and a few others of note. I guess he's also got a=20
CD
out under the moniker of Spooky Ghost.

His set was pretty good -- sometimes accompanied by a drummer and/or female=20
vocalist, sometimes just him solo. He did a good job of integrating a broad=20
variety=20
of loops into more-or-less conventional song structures -- whether the piece=
=20
was=20
vocally driven or an instrumental piece. I can't say I was all that impresse=
d=20
by his=20
lyrics or singing ability but that's just me. His playing and use of loops=20
was pretty=20
impressive for the low-tech setup he had.

He's got a pretty decent website up at: <http://www.spookyghost.com>

Anywho. I just thought I'd pass along this little tidbit. I hadn't heard of=20
the guy before
but he's pretty good (must be if Bowie's used him I guess). I wonder if he's=
=20
aware=20
of the list? He ought to be since his shtick is so loop-oriented.

BTW . . . the best music I saw and/or heard performed at NAMM or anywhere=20
else=20
this past weekend was at the Senheiser booth at 4:00pm on saturday with Tom
Griesgraber (stick) and Jerry Marotta and Rick Walker (percussion). What a=20
hoot!=20
Very tasty stuff, astoundingly well played.

Maybe after I feel a little better I'll post some more about the show. I=20
spent the entire
day yesterday in bed. Ugh! I feel awful.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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al" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Hi all,<BR>
<BR>
I am deep into my usual post-NAMM depression (and a very nasty head and ches=
t <BR>
cold too) but I thought I post the list about something I saw on Saturday ni=
ght in LA.<BR>
<BR>
The better half and I were having a hard time finding many good NAMM-related=
 <BR>
musical events/activites during the evenings of the show (guess we weren't i=
nvited<BR>
to any of the cool parties). So, picking up a Times Calendar Section we noti=
ced that<BR>
a favorite singer/songwriter acquaintance of ours (Glen Phillips of Toad the=
 Wet <BR>
Sprocket) was at Club Largo on Fairfax in LA.<BR>
<BR>
We got there early enough to catch the opening act who (as it turned out) di=
d quite <BR>
a lot of looping in his set with a DL-4. I had no idea who the guy was. I ha=
d to ask <BR>
one of the club employees. The performer's name is Gerry Leonard. I guess he=
's<BR>
done some work with Bowie and a few others of note. I guess he's also got a=20=
CD<BR>
out under the moniker of Spooky Ghost.<BR>
<BR>
His set was pretty good -- sometimes accompanied by a drummer and/or female=20=
<BR>
vocalist, sometimes just him solo. He did a good job of integrating a broad=20=
variety <BR>
of loops into more-or-less conventional song structures -- whether the piece=
 was <BR>
vocally driven or an instrumental piece. I can't say I was all that impresse=
d by his <BR>
lyrics or singing ability but that's just me. His playing and use of loops w=
as pretty <BR>
impressive for the low-tech setup he had.<BR>
<BR>
He's got a pretty decent website up at: </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">&lt;http://www.spookyghost.com&gt=
;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
2"><BR>
<BR>
Anywho. I just thought I'd pass along this little tidbit. I hadn't heard of=20=
the guy before<BR>
but he's pretty good (must be if Bowie's used him I guess). I wonder if he's=
 aware <BR>
of the list? He ought to be since his shtick is so loop-oriented.<BR>
<BR>
BTW . . . the best music I saw and/or heard performed at NAMM or anywhere el=
se <BR>
this past weekend was at the Senheiser booth at 4:00pm on saturday with Tom<=
BR>
Griesgraber (stick) and Jerry Marotta and Rick Walker (percussion). What a h=
oot! <BR>
Very tasty stuff, astoundingly well played.<BR>
<BR>
Maybe after I feel a little better I'll post some more about the show. I spe=
nt the entire<BR>
day yesterday in bed. Ugh! I feel awful.<BR>
<BR>
Best regards,<BR>
<BR>
tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR>
<BR>
"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR>
<BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
<BR>
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR>
<BR>
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
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On Jan 25, 2005, at 21:48, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

>  one of the club employees. The performer's name is Gerry Leonard. I 
> guess he's
>  done some work with Bowie and a few others of note. I guess he's also 
> got a CD
>  out under the moniker of Spooky Ghost.
>
>  His set was pretty good --


Maybe he was playing with Bowie last year? 16 months ago I checked out 
the gig here in Stockholm and Bowie did some duo stuff with one of the 
bands guitar players, that was very good at looping while adjusting to 
tempo changes. Bowie started out to sing by himself and the guitarist 
looped some very high melodic notes. Then he filled it up underneath by 
normal chord plucking, looping layer after layer. In "breakdowns" when 
Bowie held out long notes and let go of  the tempo for some improvised 
small talking to the audience, the guitarist seemed to "mute" the 
looper while holding out some notes "unlooped" on the guitar. When the 
normal tempo vocals started again he kicked in the same loop again. 
Very nice performance I must say. You could clearly hear how both 
Bowie, the guitar player and the loops were drifting apart in sync. But 
they were both skilled enough to let it drift and carefully bring it 
all back home over a couple of bars. Maybe that was Gerry leonard? 
Anyway, hope get rid of that cold soon.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Hi David,

  by any chance do you know Dennis Pearman?  He's a very old friend of 
mine living in Dexter.  He's been in the Eugene music scene since the 
late 70's.  I think his most recent musical appearances in town have 
been as part of the bands Mythic Sky & Bump Skool.

Dennis

David Trenkel wrote:

> I downloaded Loopy Llama this morning, and have been playing with it 
> all day, lots of fun! I'm running it in Live, thus far it seems 
> stable, and very useable! I like the reverse feature.
>
> BTW, I'm playing a gig tomorrow at Luckey's Club Cigar, in Eugene OR, 
> with the 7/11 Quartet. I'll be doing laptop looping in Live, along 
> with playing bass and keys. It's my first live Live outing. Also in 
> the band are Tim McLaughlin (trumpet/guitar), Matt 
> Calkins(tenor/soprano sax/bass) and Steve Weems(drums). It'll be a 
> largely free-improvised show.
>
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2005, at 01:04 AM, Chris Kline wrote:
>
>> I have developed a VST software looper, the Loopy Llama, that emulates
>> many of the best features of the Lexicon Jam Man, Frippertronics, and 
>> the
>> Line6 DL-4.  I am curious about the opinions of the looping community
>> towards a looping plugin, and I am distributing it free right now.  
>> Please
>> see http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 for details on the looper.
>>
>> Do not discount this just because it requires a computer, it is designed
>> for REAL-TIME use with a foot controller.  The act of using a computer
>> live is still in its infancy but it IS starting to happen for the less
>> nerdy types. A reasonably priced laptop and pro audio interface can now
>> compete with the latency of a dsp foot pedal (yes, they do have 
>> latency).
>> I have the technical info to back that up at
>> http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=19.  I hope this is the start of a new
>> outlet for live looping,  Line6 seems to think it's "no longer 
>> marketable"
>> and sadly discontinued the DL-4.
>>
>> Let me know your thoughts,
>>
>> Chris
>> http://rekliner.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Where these pictures taken at the NAMM show?

Were where they?

I was at the show and I could not find Electrix. They are not listed in 
the show directory under Electrix or IVL.

I'll be disappointed if I missed them.

Henry


the toy room wrote:

> Still looks like an Instrument input on the front panel, though.
> 
> There have been rumours of the front panel input being removed from the
> MKII, as one of the current modifications being done on MKI Repeaters is
> improved grounding and shielding to lower the noise floor (and this
> necessitates removing the front panel input).
> 
> Best,
> Rich
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:40 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: photos of Electrix MkII units.
> 
> very nice looking repeater! i wonder if the will sell
> the faceplates...
> Luis
> 
> 
> --- Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>very pretty:
>>
> 
> http://www.fdiskc.com/usrsyn/namm/2005/electrixmkII-tb.html
> 
>>i think maybe it's time to sell my WarpFactory.
>>
>>i'm going to replace it with a Micron and a
>>rackmount mic pre or blank 
>>faceplate with an XLR input. i never use anything
>>but one very plain 
>>setting on my WarpFactory, and i have to key it from
>>an Alpha Juno 1. i 
>>think the Micron would be more efficient, and create
>>room for my 
>>PC1600x and better fit next to the 909 on the
>>sliding shelf i plan on 
>>moving to underneath the rack.
>>
>>does anyone want to talk me out of selling my
>>Warpfactory?
>>---
>>Eric Williamson
>>www.suitandtieguy.com
>>
>>
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     As your heading implies, it is a Firefox problem.  I receive LD in digest form and every once
in a while it comes to me super small.  It's an easy workaround though, just hit Ctrl + or Ctrl -
to enlarge or reduce the text size.  Ctrl 0 (that's a zero) will return your television set to
normal.  Hit Ctrl plus the infinity sign and you will start a loop.  (I just said that to keep
this post on topic).

     For being out only 3 months, Firefox has been a well needed shot in the arm.  They already
have 4% of the total browser usership.  What's a little bug here and there?  It made the recent
front cover of Wired, though the story was a bit tired and worn at the edges.

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On Tuesday, January 25, 2005, at 05:40 PM, Dennis Montgomery wrote:

>
> Hi David,
>
>  by any chance do you know Dennis Pearman?  He's a very old friend of 
> mine living in Dexter.  He's been in the Eugene music scene since the 
> late 70's.  I think his most recent musical appearances in town have 
> been as part of the bands Mythic Sky & Bump Skool.

I've seen both bands around, but don't know Dennis personally. If 
you're in touch, tell him to say hi, I'm usually gigging with a band 
called Eleven Eyes, the 7/11 band is a spin-off/subset.

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Anyone know the best place to get these Pretec 512MB chips?  Is this the
same item?  (I notice the "different" part number, is why I'm asking)
=20
http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?dept_id=3D1446
<http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?dept_id=3D1446&pf_id=3DMP970882&=
src=3DIMF
RO> &pf_id=3DMP970882&src=3DIMFRO
=20
thx!

  _____ =20

From: Gunnar Backman [mailto:brakophonic@telia.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:14 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Hi

I got this of the Electrix Forum since I had problems with my Simpletech =
256
MBCF
"Recently I bought Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi =
SAH05)
Ref: CFH512EHG and it works perfectly."

Gunnar Backman
Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
E-mail brakophonic@telia.com
http://www.brakophonic.com




As far as I understand it, CFCs destined to work are those with a
Hitachi chipset (information from Electrix or from their user group, and
they weren't more specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's
the one which was available when the Repeater was released). From
sustained write/read speed, you can do the math yourself, ending up with
something well below 1MB/s.=20

Rainer=20

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]=20
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Januar 2005 19:12
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: CFC Speeds for Repeater


Hi all,

Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of=20
course came with a pretty small CFC. In buying a new one for it I=20
learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their=20
CFC. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the=20
Repeater.

Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've=20
seen as high as 80X. For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which they=20
claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they=20
say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I=20
tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small=20
mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater instantly=20
reported "CFC SLOW"

I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the=20
same results (stereo looping was too much for it).

So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still the=20
biggest CFC I've found that works. Of course.. there's always the 80X=20
Lexar (?)


Anybody have any other findings?

Thanks!
Tom




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face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Anyone know the best place to get these Pretec =
512MB=20
chips?&nbsp; Is this the same item?&nbsp; (I notice the "different" part =
number,=20
is why I'm asking)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D671154105-27012005><FONT =
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href=3D"http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?dept_id=3D1446&amp;pf_id=3D=
MP970882&amp;src=3DIMFRO">http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?dept_id=
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Gunnar Backman=20
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Re: AW:=20
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<DIV></DIV>Hi<BR><BR>I got this of the Electrix Forum since I had =
problems with=20
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ending up=20
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<BR><BR>-----Urspr=FCngliche=20
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with this=20
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things like=20
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a 512MB=20
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150KB per=20
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for some=20
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  instantly <BR>reported "CFC SLOW"<BR><BR>I also tried the 16MB Lexar =
8X that=20
  came with the camera and got the <BR>same results (stereo looping was =
too much=20
  for it).<BR><BR>So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years =
ago is=20
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always=20
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Hi CM (and all)

I was able to order CFC direct from PreTec that have the Hitachi =20
controller.  The 128 they sent is working perfectly! Cost was about $48 =20=

plus shipping.

Tom


On Jan 26, 2005, at 9:44 PM, CM wrote:

> Anyone know the best place to get these Pretec 512MB chips?=A0 Is this =
=20
> the same item?=A0 (I notice the "different" part number, is why I'm =20=

> asking)
> =A0
> http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?=20
> dept_id=3D1446&pf_id=3DMP970882&src=3DIMFRO
> =A0
> thx!
> From: Gunnar Backman [mailto:brakophonic@telia.com]
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:14 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: AW: CFC Speeds for Repeater
>
> Hi
>
> I got this of the Electrix Forum since I had problems with my =20
> Simpletech 256 MBCF
> "Recently I bought Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi =20
> SAH05) Ref: CFH512EHG and it works perfectly."
>
> Gunnar Backman
> Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
> E-mail brakophonic@telia.com
> http://www.brakophonic.com
>
>
>
> As far as I understand it, CFCs destined to work are those with a
> Hitachi chipset (information from Electrix or from their user group, =20=

> and
> they weren't more specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's
> the one which was available when the Repeater was released). From
> sustained write/read speed, you can do the math yourself, ending up =20=

> with
> something well below 1MB/s.
>
>  Rainer
>
>  -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]
>  Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Januar 2005 19:12
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Betreff: CFC Speeds for Repeater
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of
>  course came with a pretty small CFC. In buying a new one for it I
>  learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their
>  CFC. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the
>  Repeater.
>
> Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've
>  seen as high as 80X. For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which they
>  claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they
>  say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I
>  tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small
>  mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater =
instantly
>  reported "CFC SLOW"
>
> I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the
>  same results (stereo looping was too much for it).
>
> So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still =
the
>  biggest CFC I've found that works. Of course.. there's always the 80X
>  Lexar (?)
>
>
> Anybody have any other findings?
>
> Thanks!
> Tom
>
>

Tom Griesgraber
www.thossounds.com
760-942-1031

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Hi CM (and all)


I was able to order CFC direct from PreTec that have the Hitachi
controller.  The 128 they sent is working perfectly! Cost was about
$48 plus shipping.=20


Tom



On Jan 26, 2005, at 9:44 PM, CM wrote:


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know the best place to get these Pretec 512MB chips?=A0 Is this the same
item?=A0 (I notice the "different" part number, is why I'm =
asking)</smaller></color></fontfamily>

=A0

=
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=A0

=
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><small=
er>thx!</smaller></color></fontfamily>

=
<bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><smaller>From:</smaller></fontfamil=
y></bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><smaller>
Gunnar Backman [mailto:brakophonic@telia.com]</smaller></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><smaller> <bold>Sent:</bold> Tuesday,
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=
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=
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mily></bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><smaller>
Re: AW: CFC Speeds for Repeater</smaller></fontfamily>


Hi


I got this of the Electrix Forum since I had problems with my
Simpletech 256 MBCF

"Recently I bought Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi
SAH05) Ref: CFH512EHG and it works perfectly."


Gunnar Backman

Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics

E-mail brakophonic@telia.com

http://www.brakophonic.com




As far as I understand it, CFCs destined to work are those with a

Hitachi chipset (information from Electrix or from their user group,
and

they weren't more specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's

the one which was available when the Repeater was released). From

sustained write/read speed, you can do the math yourself, ending up
with

something well below 1MB/s.


 Rainer


 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----

Von: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]

 Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Januar 2005 19:12

An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Betreff: CFC Speeds for Repeater



Hi all,


Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of

 course came with a pretty small CFC. In buying a new one for it I

 learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their

 CFC. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the

 Repeater.


Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've

 seen as high as 80X. For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which they

 claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they

 say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I

 tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small

 mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater instantly

 reported "CFC SLOW"


I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the

 same results (stereo looping was too much for it).


So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still the

 biggest CFC I've found that works. Of course.. there's always the 80X

 Lexar (?)



Anybody have any other findings?


Thanks!

Tom



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Hi
 =46rom electrix list
Europe
  =20
http://www.pccardsdirect.co.uk/acatalog/=20
CF_Industrial_Grade_Hitachi_SAH05.html

USA
http://www.pretec.com/order_industrial.htm#CompactFlash%20Standard%2034X



Gunnar Backman
Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
E-mail  brakophonic@telia.com
http://www.brakophonic.com

> Anyone know the best place to get these Pretec 512MB chips?=A0 Is this =
=20
> the same item?=A0 (I notice the "different" part number, is why I'm =20=

> asking)
> =A0
> http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?=20
> dept_id=3D1446&pf_id=3DMP970882&src=3DIMFRO
> =A0
> thx!
> From: Gunnar Backman [mailto:brakophonic@telia.com]
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:14 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: AW: CFC Speeds for Repeater
>
> Hi
>
> I got this of the Electrix Forum since I had problems with my =20
> Simpletech 256 MBCF
> "Recently I bought Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi =20
> SAH05) Ref: CFH512EHG and it works perfectly."
>
> Gunnar Backman
> Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
> E-mail brakophonic@telia.com
> http://www.brakophonic.com
>
>
>
> As far as I understand it, CFCs destined to work are those with a
> Hitachi chipset (information from Electrix or from their user group, =20=

> and
> they weren't more specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's
> the one which was available when the Repeater was released). From
> sustained write/read speed, you can do the math yourself, ending up =20=

> with
> something well below 1MB/s.
>
>  Rainer
>
>  -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]
>  Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Januar 2005 19:12
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Betreff: CFC Speeds for Repeater
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of
>  course came with a pretty small CFC. In buying a new one for it I
>  learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their
>  CFC. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the
>  Repeater.
>
> Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've
>  seen as high as 80X. For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which they
>  claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they
>  say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I
>  tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small
>  mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater =
instantly
>  reported "CFC SLOW"
>
> I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the
>  same results (stereo looping was too much for it).
>
> So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still =
the
>  biggest CFC I've found that works. Of course.. there's always the 80X
>  Lexar (?)
>
>
> Anybody have any other findings?
>
> Thanks!
> Tom
>

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Hi

=46rom electrix list

Europe


=
http://www.pccardsdirect.co.uk/acatalog/CF_Industrial_Grade_Hitachi_SAH05.=
html


USA=20

http://www.pretec.com/order_industrial.htm#CompactFlash%20Standard%2034X




<fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param>Gunnar Backman

Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics

E-mail  brakophonic@telia.com

http://www.brakophonic.com</fontfamily>


=
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am><smaller>Anyone
know the best place to get these Pretec 512MB chips?=A0 Is this the same
item?=A0 (I notice the "different" part number, is why I'm =
asking)</smaller></color></fontfamily>

=A0

=
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=A0

=
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er>thx!</smaller></color></fontfamily>

=
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mily></bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><smaller>
Gunnar Backman [mailto:brakophonic@telia.com]</smaller></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><smaller>
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Hi


I got this of the Electrix Forum since I had problems with my
Simpletech 256 MBCF

"Recently I bought Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi
SAH05) Ref: CFH512EHG and it works perfectly."


Gunnar Backman

Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics

E-mail brakophonic@telia.com

http://www.brakophonic.com




As far as I understand it, CFCs destined to work are those with a

Hitachi chipset (information from Electrix or from their user group,
and

they weren't more specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's

the one which was available when the Repeater was released). From

sustained write/read speed, you can do the math yourself, ending up
with

something well below 1MB/s.


 Rainer


 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----

Von: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]

 Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Januar 2005 19:12

An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Betreff: CFC Speeds for Repeater



Hi all,


Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of

 course came with a pretty small CFC. In buying a new one for it I

 learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their

 CFC. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the

 Repeater.


Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've

 seen as high as 80X. For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which they

 claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they

 say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I

 tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small

 mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater instantly

 reported "CFC SLOW"


I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the

 same results (stereo looping was too much for it).


So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still the

 biggest CFC I've found that works. Of course.. there's always the 80X

 Lexar (?)



Anybody have any other findings?


Thanks!

Tom


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Thanks for answering.
I tried what you told me, here are the results:

    I tried to plug my EDP in other rooms (my wife thought I had gone crazy
:-) without any consequence: as before, the noise sometimes appears
sometimes not.
    When I use the half speed function, it affects the noise: it is played
half-speed as well.
    I changed the power cable, and tried to plug nothing to the EDP: so I
looped silence; but the noise still appears in this case.
    I must specify that if the noise seems to appear in a random way, once
it's here it's recorded in the loop: it comes back regularly within the
loop.

I guess no outside factor causes this problem, right?
Is it serious, doctor?





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Firman" <maf@mlswebworks.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem


> Okay,
>
> A couple of things to try. This sounds like it might be digital noise
> from
> something other than the EDP, so to prove that it is or is not, answer
> the following questions:
>
> 1) Is it independent of where you plug it in? By this I mean, can you
>      take it (Just the EDP and amp) into the bathroom, plug it in and
>     still detect the noise?
>
> 2) Is there anything you can do that will make the noise get faster
>                or slower? Can you change the settings on the EDP and
> effect
>     the noise in some way (speed up, slow down, make random)?
>
> In this way you can convince yourself (and us) that it is definitely a
> function of the EDP
> alone or is caused by an outside factor.
>
> Make sure you check all the cabling, the power connections, and the
> topology
> (the order and distances from the other devices that it interacts with).
>
> On Jan 25, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Cox wrote:
>
> > lol
> > I already tried... But my watch is a digital one! lol
> > Any other idea?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Claude Voit" <c.voit@vtx.ch>
> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
> >
> >
> >> take your wrist watch off the electric guitar mike
> >>
> >> Claude
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Cox" <cox1@tiscali.fr>
> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:54 PM
> >> Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
> >>
> >>
> >> Nobody knows? Please, help me...
> >> I have tried to put off and back tle memory simms (saw that in the
> > archives)
> >> without any result.
> >> Thanks for helping me...
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Cox
> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:10 PM
> >> Subject: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello!
> >> I juste bought an EDP plus . It is a used unit, but almost new. It
> >> seems
> > in
> >> perfect working order, except one little noise that sometimes appears
> >> over
> >> my loops; it sounds like "tick-tick-tick-tick"; it does not always
> >> appear,
> >> I've found no "logic" in the way or frequency this noise appears.
> >> Has anyone had this kind of problem yet? Do you know where it could
> >> come
> >> from?
> >> Thanks for your help!
> >> PS: I'm french, sorry about my english ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> --
> | Michael A. Firman
> | maf@mlswebworks.com
> | http://www.mlswebworks.com
>
>

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Just been turned on to looping by seeing Katy Tunstall on "Jools Later =
"program (UK)
Apparently using an Akai Headrush2 Loop pedal
layering acoustic guitar ,vocals and percussion ,immediately wanted to =
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Hi Chris,

just had started to play with my llopy llama - short version: works fine
basically, and I look forward when it will turn into a fully-fledged EDP
competitor:

One question: as I understand it, when recording loops in "endpoints"
mode, with the first press of the record button, you start the loop,
with the next press, you close the loop, and with the next press, you
start overdubbing.

This closely resembles the way the Repeater works and with which most
people (including me) are unhappy: it would be great to be able to go
into overdub right when ending the loop. Of course, as I understand your
UI, this would require an additional button (a "play" button).

I would suggest checking other (hardware) loopers for their interface
structure; from what I kinda read from your post, you're also familiar
with the DL4?

Another thing: I think it's a pity I lose my loop when I change the
tempo. But I assume that would be a really major change indeed.

Thanks for your ear!

	Rainer

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Chris Kline [mailto:contact@chriskline.com] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Januar 2005 10:04
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: New Looper: Loopy Llama


I have developed a VST software looper, the Loopy Llama, that emulates
many of the best features of the Lexicon Jam Man, Frippertronics, and
the Line6 DL-4.  I am curious about the opinions of the looping
community towards a looping plugin, and I am distributing it free right
now.  Please see http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 for details on the
looper.

Do not discount this just because it requires a computer, it is designed
for REAL-TIME use with a foot controller.  The act of using a computer
live is still in its infancy but it IS starting to happen for the less
nerdy types. A reasonably priced laptop and pro audio interface can now
compete with the latency of a dsp foot pedal (yes, they do have
latency). 
I have the technical info to back that up at
http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=19.  I hope this is the start of a new
outlet for live looping,  Line6 seems to think it's "no longer
marketable" and sadly discontinued the DL-4.

Let me know your thoughts,

Chris
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At 7:54 PM -0600 1/25/05, Henry Heine wrote:

>Were where they?

They were tucked away down a hallway off the arena.

>I'll be disappointed if I missed them.

You'll be disappointed.

However, there was nothing much to be learned the day we visited the booth.
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From: Michael Firman <maf@mlswebworks.com>
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Okay now this seems to prove that the noise source is
in the EDP.

I'm probably not the best person to advise at this point (I'm just
an EDP user not a tech) but at least you have a few relevant clues.

How about it Kim, or one of the more technical savvy members?

On Jan 26, 2005, at 4:19 AM, Cox wrote:

> Thanks for answering.
> I tried what you told me, here are the results:
>
>     I tried to plug my EDP in other rooms (my wife thought I had gone 
> crazy
> :-) without any consequence: as before, the noise sometimes appears
> sometimes not.
>     When I use the half speed function, it affects the noise: it is 
> played
> half-speed as well.
>     I changed the power cable, and tried to plug nothing to the EDP: 
> so I
> looped silence; but the noise still appears in this case.
>     I must specify that if the noise seems to appear in a random way, 
> once
> it's here it's recorded in the loop: it comes back regularly within the
> loop.
>
> I guess no outside factor causes this problem, right?
> Is it serious, doctor?
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Firman" <maf@mlswebworks.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:29 PM
> Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
>
>
>> Okay,
>>
>> A couple of things to try. This sounds like it might be digital noise
>> from
>> something other than the EDP, so to prove that it is or is not, answer
>> the following questions:
>>
>> 1) Is it independent of where you plug it in? By this I mean, can you
>>      take it (Just the EDP and amp) into the bathroom, plug it in and
>>     still detect the noise?
>>
>> 2) Is there anything you can do that will make the noise get faster
>>                or slower? Can you change the settings on the EDP and
>> effect
>>     the noise in some way (speed up, slow down, make random)?
>>
>> In this way you can convince yourself (and us) that it is definitely a
>> function of the EDP
>> alone or is caused by an outside factor.
>>
>> Make sure you check all the cabling, the power connections, and the
>> topology
>> (the order and distances from the other devices that it interacts 
>> with).
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Cox wrote:
>>
>>> lol
>>> I already tried... But my watch is a digital one! lol
>>> Any other idea?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Claude Voit" <c.voit@vtx.ch>
>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
>>>
>>>
>>>> take your wrist watch off the electric guitar mike
>>>>
>>>> Claude
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Cox" <cox1@tiscali.fr>
>>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:54 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nobody knows? Please, help me...
>>>> I have tried to put off and back tle memory simms (saw that in the
>>> archives)
>>>> without any result.
>>>> Thanks for helping me...
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Cox
>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:10 PM
>>>> Subject: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello!
>>>> I juste bought an EDP plus . It is a used unit, but almost new. It
>>>> seems
>>> in
>>>> perfect working order, except one little noise that sometimes 
>>>> appears
>>>> over
>>>> my loops; it sounds like "tick-tick-tick-tick"; it does not always
>>>> appear,
>>>> I've found no "logic" in the way or frequency this noise appears.
>>>> Has anyone had this kind of problem yet? Do you know where it could
>>>> come
>>>> from?
>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>> PS: I'm french, sorry about my english ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> | Michael A. Firman
>> | maf@mlswebworks.com
>> | http://www.mlswebworks.com
>>
>>
>
>
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Could it be heat-related?  Try blowing a fan over the warmest portion of 
the EDP and see if the ticks still appear.  (just a guess)



Michael Firman wrote:
> 
> Okay now this seems to prove that the noise source is
> in the EDP.
> 
> I'm probably not the best person to advise at this point (I'm just
> an EDP user not a tech) but at least you have a few relevant clues.
> 
> How about it Kim, or one of the more technical savvy members?
> 
> On Jan 26, 2005, at 4:19 AM, Cox wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for answering.
>> I tried what you told me, here are the results:
>>
>>     I tried to plug my EDP in other rooms (my wife thought I had gone 
>> crazy
>> :-) without any consequence: as before, the noise sometimes appears
>> sometimes not.
>>     When I use the half speed function, it affects the noise: it is 
>> played
>> half-speed as well.
>>     I changed the power cable, and tried to plug nothing to the EDP: so I
>> looped silence; but the noise still appears in this case.
>>     I must specify that if the noise seems to appear in a random way, 
>> once
>> it's here it's recorded in the loop: it comes back regularly within the
>> loop.
>>
>> I guess no outside factor causes this problem, right?
>> Is it serious, doctor?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Firman" <maf@mlswebworks.com>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
>>
>>
>>> Okay,
>>>
>>> A couple of things to try. This sounds like it might be digital noise
>>> from
>>> something other than the EDP, so to prove that it is or is not, answer
>>> the following questions:
>>>
>>> 1) Is it independent of where you plug it in? By this I mean, can you
>>>      take it (Just the EDP and amp) into the bathroom, plug it in and
>>>     still detect the noise?
>>>
>>> 2) Is there anything you can do that will make the noise get faster
>>>                or slower? Can you change the settings on the EDP and
>>> effect
>>>     the noise in some way (speed up, slow down, make random)?
>>>
>>> In this way you can convince yourself (and us) that it is definitely a
>>> function of the EDP
>>> alone or is caused by an outside factor.
>>>
>>> Make sure you check all the cabling, the power connections, and the
>>> topology
>>> (the order and distances from the other devices that it interacts with).
>>>
>>> On Jan 25, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Cox wrote:
>>>
>>>> lol
>>>> I already tried... But my watch is a digital one! lol
>>>> Any other idea?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Claude Voit" <c.voit@vtx.ch>
>>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:45 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> take your wrist watch off the electric guitar mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Claude
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cox" <cox1@tiscali.fr>
>>>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:54 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody knows? Please, help me...
>>>>> I have tried to put off and back tle memory simms (saw that in the
>>>>
>>>> archives)
>>>>
>>>>> without any result.
>>>>> Thanks for helping me...
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Cox
>>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:10 PM
>>>>> Subject: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello!
>>>>> I juste bought an EDP plus . It is a used unit, but almost new. It
>>>>> seems
>>>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>> perfect working order, except one little noise that sometimes appears
>>>>> over
>>>>> my loops; it sounds like "tick-tick-tick-tick"; it does not always
>>>>> appear,
>>>>> I've found no "logic" in the way or frequency this noise appears.
>>>>> Has anyone had this kind of problem yet? Do you know where it could
>>>>> come
>>>>> from?
>>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>>> PS: I'm french, sorry about my english ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> | Michael A. Firman
>>> | maf@mlswebworks.com
>>> | http://www.mlswebworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> -- 
> | Michael A. Firman
> | maf@mlswebworks.com
> | http://www.mlswebworks.com
> 
> 

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It's not Firefox specific, his mails also look weird in OS X Mail.  
There's a few people like that--Kris, Duncan, and I think Rick Walker, 
whenever he'd use that colored background for his messages.  I thought 
it was strongly suggested that people send plain text only to the list?

TH
On Jan 25, 2005, at 11:28 PM, 
Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:

> From: S V G <vsyevolod@yahoo.com>
> Date: January 25, 2005 6:39:21 PM PST
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Firefox Problem
>
>
>      As your heading implies, it is a Firefox problem.  I receive LD 
> in digest form and every once
> in a while it comes to me super small.  It's an easy workaround 
> though, just hit Ctrl + or Ctrl -
> to enlarge or reduce the text size.  Ctrl 0 (that's a zero) will 
> return your television set to
> normal.  Hit Ctrl plus the infinity sign and you will start a loop.  
> (I just said that to keep
> this post on topic).
>
>      For being out only 3 months, Firefox has been a well needed shot 
> in the arm.  They already
> have 4% of the total browser usership.  What's a little bug here and 
> there?  It made the recent
> front cover of Wired, though the story was a bit tired and worn at the 
> edges.
>
>      Stephen

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Wow! Very Cool Chris.  I've only played with LoopyLlama a little bit,
but it does one thing that my other favorite looper (Elottronix XL)
doesn't seem to be able to do.  I can make multiple instances of
LoopyLlama in EnergyXT and set them to different lengths. If there
were half speed and double speed options it would be near my perfect
looper. Thanks so much.


On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:04:10 -0700 (MST), Chris Kline
<contact@chriskline.com> wrote:
> I have developed a VST software looper, the Loopy Llama, that emulates
> many of the best features of the Lexicon Jam Man, Frippertronics, and the
> Line6 DL-4.  I am curious about the opinions of the looping community
> towards a looping plugin, and I am distributing it free right now.  Please
> see http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 for details on the looper.
> 
> Do not discount this just because it requires a computer, it is designed
> for REAL-TIME use with a foot controller.  The act of using a computer
> live is still in its infancy but it IS starting to happen for the less
> nerdy types. A reasonably priced laptop and pro audio interface can now
> compete with the latency of a dsp foot pedal (yes, they do have latency).
> I have the technical info to back that up at
> http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=19.  I hope this is the start of a new
> outlet for live looping,  Line6 seems to think it's "no longer marketable"
> and sadly discontinued the DL-4.
> 
> Let me know your thoughts,
> 
> Chris
> http://rekliner.com
> 
> 


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At 15:22 26/01/05, you wrote:
>     When I use the half speed function, it affects the noise: it is played
>half-speed as well.

because it's recorded in the loop?

what happens if the noise appears while you're in halfspeed?


>     I changed the power cable, and tried to plug nothing to the EDP: so I
>looped silence; but the noise still appears in this case.
>     I must specify that if the noise seems to appear in a random way, once
>it's here it's recorded in the loop: it comes back regularly within the
>loop.
>
>I guess no outside factor causes this problem, right?
>Is it serious, doctor?


Could be the memory playing up,
try MoreLoops=16 and see if the problem only occurs on some loops.
if so, then it's the memory at fault.

Could still be external though, you won't totally rule that out by just 
changing rooms.
(could be a mains spike caused by heating, or your neighbours' overused 
washing machine).



andy butler





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Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
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Thanks.
I've  tried what you told me, but, it's still the same. Moreover, these
ticks can appear early, when the Echoplex has had no time to get hot...

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> Could it be heat-related?  Try blowing a fan over the warmest portion of
> the EDP and see if the ticks still appear.  (just a guess)
>
>
>
> Michael Firman wrote:
> >
> > Okay now this seems to prove that the noise source is
> > in the EDP.
> >
> > I'm probably not the best person to advise at this point (I'm just
> > an EDP user not a tech) but at least you have a few relevant clues.
> >
> > How about it Kim, or one of the more technical savvy members?
> >
> > On Jan 26, 2005, at 4:19 AM, Cox wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for answering.
> >> I tried what you told me, here are the results:
> >>
> >>     I tried to plug my EDP in other rooms (my wife thought I had gone
> >> crazy
> >> :-) without any consequence: as before, the noise sometimes appears
> >> sometimes not.
> >>     When I use the half speed function, it affects the noise: it is
> >> played
> >> half-speed as well.
> >>     I changed the power cable, and tried to plug nothing to the EDP: so
I
> >> looped silence; but the noise still appears in this case.
> >>     I must specify that if the noise seems to appear in a random way,
> >> once
> >> it's here it's recorded in the loop: it comes back regularly within the
> >> loop.
> >>
> >> I guess no outside factor causes this problem, right?
> >> Is it serious, doctor?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Michael Firman" <maf@mlswebworks.com>
> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:29 PM
> >> Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
> >>
> >>
> >>> Okay,
> >>>
> >>> A couple of things to try. This sounds like it might be digital noise
> >>> from
> >>> something other than the EDP, so to prove that it is or is not, answer
> >>> the following questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Is it independent of where you plug it in? By this I mean, can you
> >>>      take it (Just the EDP and amp) into the bathroom, plug it in and
> >>>     still detect the noise?
> >>>
> >>> 2) Is there anything you can do that will make the noise get faster
> >>>                or slower? Can you change the settings on the EDP and
> >>> effect
> >>>     the noise in some way (speed up, slow down, make random)?
> >>>
> >>> In this way you can convince yourself (and us) that it is definitely a
> >>> function of the EDP
> >>> alone or is caused by an outside factor.
> >>>
> >>> Make sure you check all the cabling, the power connections, and the
> >>> topology
> >>> (the order and distances from the other devices that it interacts
with).
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 25, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Cox wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> lol
> >>>> I already tried... But my watch is a digital one! lol
> >>>> Any other idea?
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Claude Voit" <c.voit@vtx.ch>
> >>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:45 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> take your wrist watch off the electric guitar mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Claude
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Cox" <cox1@tiscali.fr>
> >>>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:54 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nobody knows? Please, help me...
> >>>>> I have tried to put off and back tle memory simms (saw that in the
> >>>>
> >>>> archives)
> >>>>
> >>>>> without any result.
> >>>>> Thanks for helping me...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: Cox
> >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:10 PM
> >>>>> Subject: EchoplexDP Plus: "tick-tick-tick" noise problem
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello!
> >>>>> I juste bought an EDP plus . It is a used unit, but almost new. It
> >>>>> seems
> >>>>
> >>>> in
> >>>>
> >>>>> perfect working order, except one little noise that sometimes
appears
> >>>>> over
> >>>>> my loops; it sounds like "tick-tick-tick-tick"; it does not always
> >>>>> appear,
> >>>>> I've found no "logic" in the way or frequency this noise appears.
> >>>>> Has anyone had this kind of problem yet? Do you know where it could
> >>>>> come
> >>>>> from?
> >>>>> Thanks for your help!
> >>>>> PS: I'm french, sorry about my english ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> | Michael A. Firman
> >>> | maf@mlswebworks.com
> >>> | http://www.mlswebworks.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> > -- 
> > | Michael A. Firman
> > | maf@mlswebworks.com
> > | http://www.mlswebworks.com
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> Tom Combs, Senior Engineer
> SEP, Inc.
> 11611 N Meridian Street
> Suite 800
> Carmel, IN  46032
> (317) 843-1640
>
>

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>> but reading a review by one of your members saying it only has a delay of 29 seconds,
My approach is to use it with acoustic as well as synths ,
Would welcome other members suggestion on the ideal gear to get,preferably small battery operable for busking<<

needs to be battery operable.... but 29 seconds isn't really long enough? I would suggest that you look for a line-6 DL4 (which, sadly, is discontinued now....) except that it isn't clear from your e-mail why the 29 seconds is an issue.

kt tunstall seems to manage ok with her headrush, but that technique is only a part of her repertoire after all....

29 seconds is ages, even in looping.

would you be looking for something that can hold several loops at once, & switch between them? is "undo" important? what about reverse mode, or tempo/pitch alteration? does the box have to remember everything/anything when it's switched off?

there- some stuff to think about- hth!

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>needs to be battery operable.... but 29 seconds isn't rea=
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    Second, re. your search for a delay longer than 29 seconds: you'll probably have to drop some big bucks to get much longer delays. I've had a Headrush for several years now, and I just purchsed two Boss DD-20 giga-delays. What an upgrade! The Headrush doesn't have much headroom, has only a few modes (and zero memory), and when you tweak the time on the fly the resulting glitch is harsh. With just one DD-20 you get signifigantly more headroom, ten different modes and four memory slots, and tweaking the time on the fly creates a nice toy ray gun burble sound. Also, keep in mind that a single piece of a song - 8 to 16 measures - can be captured with 20 to 30 seconds of memory.
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ak butler said:"because it's recorded in the loop?"

Yes, it is. The noise always appear after a recording or overdubbing. I
record, press record (or overdub or multiply) again to launch the loop, and
sometimes the noise is played too. But if it does not appear immediately
after the recording, it will not appear later during play back...

I've recorded the noise. I recorded silence, with the input knob at its
minimum. My loop lasted 29seconds, ans this noise appeared at around the 9th
second.  It was just as you can hear it: four serials of four ticks in a
row, and then nothing untill the end of the loop...
It's here :
http://www.familoo.com/familoo/RepFiles/9042563465/tick-Echoplex.mp3

Thanks again to everyone who is trying to help ;-)

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> At 15:22 26/01/05, you wrote:
> >     When I use the half speed function, it affects the noise: it is
played
> >half-speed as well.
>
> because it's recorded in the loop?
>
> what happens if the noise appears while you're in halfspeed?
>
>
> >     I changed the power cable, and tried to plug nothing to the EDP: so
I
> >looped silence; but the noise still appears in this case.
> >     I must specify that if the noise seems to appear in a random way,
once
> >it's here it's recorded in the loop: it comes back regularly within the
> >loop.
> >
> >I guess no outside factor causes this problem, right?
> >Is it serious, doctor?
>
>
> Could be the memory playing up,
> try MoreLoops=16 and see if the problem only occurs on some loops.
> if so, then it's the memory at fault.
>
> Could still be external though, you won't totally rule that out by just
> changing rooms.
> (could be a mains spike caused by heating, or your neighbours' overused
> washing machine).
>
>
>
> andy butler
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Beside that it is one of the easiest ways to transfer worms, virus's,
trojans and any future OS hacks. It is just downright polite to friends,
family and associates to permanently turn off sending HTML in email period.
Plain text works for me and is the way I send everything to everyone though
I do get tired of converting stuff that was sent to me that way on a reply
or a forward...

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--->That was Kim--our sponsor . . .
He hates wasting all that bandwidth. 
Gary

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It's not Firefox specific, his mails also look weird in OS X Mail.  
There's a few people like that--Kris, Duncan, and I think Rick Walker,
whenever he'd use that colored background for his messages.  I thought it
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Hi

2 Q
When I looked at the Mp3 file in Peak there were  "ticks" ( 4 )in the 1  
and
7"ticks" the 2 place
  ( 6)"ticks" in the 3  , (5)"ticks"in the last place
is this due to the looping or does it appear like that in a longer loop  
???
the noise didn't clip 0 Db, is this the case in the original file as  
well or just a Mp3 thing ?

Gunnar Backman
Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
E-mail  brakophonic@telia.com
http://www.brakophonic.com


> ak butler said:"because it's recorded in the loop?"
>
> Yes, it is. The noise always appear after a recording or overdubbing. I
> record, press record (or overdub or multiply) again to launch the  
> loop, and
> sometimes the noise is played too. But if it does not appear  
> immediately
> after the recording, it will not appear later during play back...
>
> I've recorded the noise. I recorded silence, with the input knob at its
> minimum. My loop lasted 29seconds, ans this noise appeared at around  
> the 9th
> second.  It was just as you can hear it: four serials of four ticks in  
> a
> row, and then nothing untill the end of the loop...
> It's here :
> http://www.familoo.com/familoo/RepFiles/9042563465/tick-Echoplex.mp3
>
> Thanks again to everyone who is trying to help ;-)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> -----
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>> At 15:22 26/01/05, you wrote:
>>>     When I use the half speed function, it affects the noise: it is
> played
>>> half-speed as well.
>>
>> because it's recorded in the loop?
>>
>> what happens if the noise appears while you're in halfspeed?
>>
>>
>>>     I changed the power cable, and tried to plug nothing to the EDP:  
>>> so
> I
>>> looped silence; but the noise still appears in this case.
>>>     I must specify that if the noise seems to appear in a random way,
> once
>>> it's here it's recorded in the loop: it comes back regularly within  
>>> the
>>> loop.
>>>
>>> I guess no outside factor causes this problem, right?
>>> Is it serious, doctor?
>>
>>
>> Could be the memory playing up,
>> try MoreLoops=16 and see if the problem only occurs on some loops.
>> if so, then it's the memory at fault.
>>
>> Could still be external though, you won't totally rule that out by  
>> just
>> changing rooms.
>> (could be a mains spike caused by heating, or your neighbours'  
>> overused
>> washing machine).
>>
>>
>>
>> andy butler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Hi


2 Q

When I looked at the Mp3 file in Peak there were  "ticks" ( 4 )in the
1 and

7"ticks" the 2 place

 ( 6)"ticks" in the 3  , (5)"ticks"in the last place 

is this due to the looping or does it appear like that in a longer
loop ???

the noise didn't clip 0 Db, is this the case in the original file as
well or just a Mp3 thing ?


<color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Gunnar Backman

Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics

E-mail  brakophonic@telia.com

http://www.brakophonic.com

</color>


<excerpt>ak butler said:"because it's recorded in the loop?"


Yes, it is. The noise always appear after a recording or overdubbing. I

record, press record (or overdub or multiply) again to launch the
loop, and

sometimes the noise is played too. But if it does not appear
immediately

after the recording, it will not appear later during play back...


I've recorded the noise. I recorded silence, with the input knob at its

minimum. My loop lasted 29seconds, ans this noise appeared at around
the 9th

second.  It was just as you can hear it: four serials of four ticks in a

row, and then nothing untill the end of the loop...

It's here :

http://www.familoo.com/familoo/RepFiles/9042563465/tick-Echoplex.mp3


Thanks again to everyone who is trying to help ;-)


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

---------------------------------------------------------------------



<excerpt>At 15:22 26/01/05, you wrote:

<excerpt>    When I use the half speed function, it affects the noise:
it is

</excerpt></excerpt>played

<excerpt><excerpt>half-speed as well.

</excerpt>

because it's recorded in the loop?


what happens if the noise appears while you're in halfspeed?



<excerpt>    I changed the power cable, and tried to plug nothing to
the EDP: so

</excerpt></excerpt>I

<excerpt><excerpt>looped silence; but the noise still appears in this
case.

    I must specify that if the noise seems to appear in a random way,

</excerpt></excerpt>once

<excerpt><excerpt>it's here it's recorded in the loop: it comes back
regularly within the

loop.


I guess no outside factor causes this problem, right?

Is it serious, doctor?

</excerpt>


Could be the memory playing up,

try MoreLoops=16 and see if the problem only occurs on some loops.

if so, then it's the memory at fault.


Could still be external though, you won't totally rule that out by just

changing rooms.

(could be a mains spike caused by heating, or your neighbours' overused

washing machine).




andy butler







</excerpt>

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Now that I can hear this, it isn't "clock noise" at all.
It sounds very much like you bumped the cable or connector
while you were in record mode. Perhaps one of you plugs
doesn't fit quite correctly or is extra loose or some such thing.
This doesn't sound like an EDP problem (unless it is a bad
or dirty jack on the EDP).

On Jan 26, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Cox wrote:

> ak butler said:"because it's recorded in the loop?"
>
> Yes, it is. The noise always appear after a recording or overdubbing. I
> record, press record (or overdub or multiply) again to launch the  
> loop, and
> sometimes the noise is played too. But if it does not appear  
> immediately
> after the recording, it will not appear later during play back...
>
> I've recorded the noise. I recorded silence, with the input knob at its
> minimum. My loop lasted 29seconds, ans this noise appeared at around  
> the 9th
> second.  It was just as you can hear it: four serials of four ticks in  
> a
> row, and then nothing untill the end of the loop...
> It's here :
> http://www.familoo.com/familoo/RepFiles/9042563465/tick-Echoplex.mp3
>
> Thanks again to everyone who is trying to help ;-)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> -----
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>> At 15:22 26/01/05, you wrote:
>>>     When I use the half speed function, it affects the noise: it is
> played
>>> half-speed as well.
>>
>> because it's recorded in the loop?
>>
>> what happens if the noise appears while you're in halfspeed?
>>
>>
>>>     I changed the power cable, and tried to plug nothing to the EDP:  
>>> so
> I
>>> looped silence; but the noise still appears in this case.
>>>     I must specify that if the noise seems to appear in a random way,
> once
>>> it's here it's recorded in the loop: it comes back regularly within  
>>> the
>>> loop.
>>>
>>> I guess no outside factor causes this problem, right?
>>> Is it serious, doctor?
>>
>>
>> Could be the memory playing up,
>> try MoreLoops=16 and see if the problem only occurs on some loops.
>> if so, then it's the memory at fault.
>>
>> Could still be external though, you won't totally rule that out by  
>> just
>> changing rooms.
>> (could be a mains spike caused by heating, or your neighbours'  
>> overused
>> washing machine).
>>
>>
>>
>> andy butler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>>There's a few people like that--Kris, Duncan, and I think Rick Walker,
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was strongly suggested that people send plain text only to the list?<<

I do usually change them to plain text, but then our corporate mail demons (see what I did there...?) add all this disclaimer bollocks at the end...... maybe I should resub at home....

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Yeah but at least with there system we get the impression that they are
scanning for the rubbish that could be transfered and at the same time they
are checking on what you spend your time on during work ;-)

 
 

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>>There's a few people like that--Kris, Duncan, and I think Rick Walker, 
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I often use a keyboard that has built-in arpeggiation.  Occasionally, I'll
get it going on some chord / arpeggiation structure I really like and just
leave it there, moving on musically to another instrument while it blazes
away (typically, I'll throw some filters into the mix as well).  I'm looking
for an otherwise-normal sustain pedal that I can "lock" into sustain
(pedal-down) mode.  (I'm envisioning just a toggle switch next to the pedal
that accomplishes this electronically, rather than a mechanical lock... but
whatever works).  Thought I'd ask if anyone knows of such a creature before
I bust out the soldering iron and "Frankenstein" my own.
 
Thx. : )
 
 

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Do the ticks always come in groups of four, and in that particular rhythm?

Cox wrote:
> ak butler said:"because it's recorded in the loop?"
> 
> Yes, it is. The noise always appear after a recording or overdubbing. I
> record, press record (or overdub or multiply) again to launch the loop, and
> sometimes the noise is played too. But if it does not appear immediately
> after the recording, it will not appear later during play back...
> 
> I've recorded the noise. I recorded silence, with the input knob at its
> minimum. My loop lasted 29seconds, ans this noise appeared at around the 9th
> second.  It was just as you can hear it: four serials of four ticks in a
> row, and then nothing untill the end of the loop...
> It's here :
> http://www.familoo.com/familoo/RepFiles/9042563465/tick-Echoplex.mp3
> 
> Thanks again to everyone who is trying to help ;-)
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
>>At 15:22 26/01/05, you wrote:
>>
>>>    When I use the half speed function, it affects the noise: it is
> 
> played
> 
>>>half-speed as well.
>>
>>because it's recorded in the loop?
>>
>>what happens if the noise appears while you're in halfspeed?
>>
>>
>>
>>>    I changed the power cable, and tried to plug nothing to the EDP: so
> 
> I
> 
>>>looped silence; but the noise still appears in this case.
>>>    I must specify that if the noise seems to appear in a random way,
> 
> once
> 
>>>it's here it's recorded in the loop: it comes back regularly within the
>>>loop.
>>>
>>>I guess no outside factor causes this problem, right?
>>>Is it serious, doctor?
>>
>>
>>Could be the memory playing up,
>>try MoreLoops=16 and see if the problem only occurs on some loops.
>>if so, then it's the memory at fault.
>>
>>Could still be external though, you won't totally rule that out by just
>>changing rooms.
>>(could be a mains spike caused by heating, or your neighbours' overused
>>washing machine).
>>
>>
>>
>>andy butler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

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Reading about Loopy Llama made me think of the glowing
review I should write (Too busy!  Work is crazy and
I'm moving!) about Augustus Loop by Expert Sleepers. 
SO cool.  I spend a few hours with it and Absynth and
realized I could do a lot of damage with that pair
alone.  After I move I intend to see how well that
works on my laptop while also using an external input
(guitar).  While it's no Repeater, it could be a great
way to further pare down a special ops rig for
short/small gigs.

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Great - thanks folks for the help!  Didn't realize I'd sent a link to an =
SD
card in the process... sheesh.
=20
OK, one last (hopefully last) couple of clarifications, if anybody knows =
the
answers:=20
=20
1) Other than a significant price gap, what's the difference between the
$79.99 512MB card here:
http://www.pretec.com/OnlineSales/SSD/CompactFlash/CompactFlash_order.htm=

=20
...and the $249.99 card here ("Consumber Grade - =
512MB-CFH512EHG-$249.99)
here?
http://www.pretec.com/order_industrial.htm#CompactFlash%20Standard%2034X
=20
=20
...and...
=20
2) ...will the former work OK w/my Repeater?
=20
=20
thx much!
Cass


  _____ =20

From: Gunnar Backman [mailto:brakophonic@telia.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:26 PM
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Hi
>From electrix list
Europe

http://www.pccardsdirect.co.uk/acatalog/CF_Industrial_Grade_Hitachi_SAH05=
.ht
ml

USA=20
http://www.pretec.com/order_industrial.htm#CompactFlash%20Standard%2034X



Gunnar Backman
Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
E-mail brakophonic@telia.com
http://www.brakophonic.com



Anyone know the best place to get these Pretec 512MB chips?  Is this the
same item?  (I notice the "different" part number, is why I'm asking)
=20
http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?dept_id=3D1446&pf_id=3DMP970882&s=
rc=3DIMFR
O
=20
thx!
From: Gunnar Backman [mailto:brakophonic@telia.com]
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Hi

I got this of the Electrix Forum since I had problems with my Simpletech =
256
MBCF
"Recently I bought Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi =
SAH05)
Ref: CFH512EHG and it works perfectly."

Gunnar Backman
Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
E-mail brakophonic@telia.com
http://www.brakophonic.com



As far as I understand it, CFCs destined to work are those with a
Hitachi chipset (information from Electrix or from their user group, and
they weren't more specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's
the one which was available when the Repeater was released). From
sustained write/read speed, you can do the math yourself, ending up with
something well below 1MB/s.

Rainer

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Januar 2005 19:12
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: CFC Speeds for Repeater


Hi all,

Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of
course came with a pretty small CFC. In buying a new one for it I
learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their
CFC. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the
Repeater.

Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've
seen as high as 80X. For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which they
claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they
say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I
tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small
mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater instantly
reported "CFC SLOW"

I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the
same results (stereo looping was too much for it).

So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still the
biggest CFC I've found that works. Of course.. there's always the 80X
Lexar (?)


Anybody have any other findings?

Thanks!
Tom




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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Great - thanks folks for the help!&nbsp; Didn't =
realize I'd=20
sent a link to an SD card in the process... sheesh.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>OK, one last (hopefully last) couple of =
clarifications, if=20
anybody knows the answers: </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>1) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Other than a significant =
price&nbsp;gap, what's=20
the difference between the $79.99 512MB card here:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.pretec.com/OnlineSales/SSD/CompactFlash/CompactFlash_o=
rder.htm">http://www.pretec.com/OnlineSales/SSD/CompactFlash/CompactFlash=
_order.htm</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>...and the $249.99 card here ("Consumber Grade =
-=20
512MB-CFH512EHG-$249.99) here?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.pretec.com/order_industrial.htm#CompactFlash%20Standar=
d%2034X">http://www.pretec.com/order_industrial.htm#CompactFlash%20Standa=
rd%2034X</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>...<EM>and...</EM></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>2) ...will the former work OK w/my=20
Repeater?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D750231319-27012005></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>thx much!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D750231319-27012005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Cass</FONT></SPAN></DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT><BR>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Gunnar Backman=20
[mailto:brakophonic@telia.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 25, =
2005 11:26=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re: AW:=20
CFC Speeds for Repeater<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hi<BR>From electrix=20
list<BR>Europe<BR><BR>http://www.pccardsdirect.co.uk/acatalog/CF_Industri=
al_Grade_Hitachi_SAH05.html<BR><BR>USA=20
<BR>http://www.pretec.com/order_industrial.htm#CompactFlash%20Standard%20=
34X<BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Helvetica>Gunnar=20
Backman<BR>Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics<BR>E-mail=20
brakophonic@telia.com<BR>http://www.brakophonic.com<?/fontfamily><BR><BR>=

<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>Anyone=20
  know the best place to get these Pretec 512MB chips?&nbsp; Is this the =
same=20
  item?&nbsp; (I notice the "different" part number, is why I'm =
asking)<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR>&nbsp;<BR><?fontfamily><?par=
am Arial><?color><?param =
0000,0000,EEEE><?smaller>http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?dept_id=3D=
1446&amp;pf_id=3DMP970882&amp;src=3DIMFRO<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamil=
y><BR>&nbsp;<BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>thx!<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?f=
ontfamily><?param =
Helvetica><?smaller>From:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?para=
m Tahoma><?smaller>=20
  Gunnar Backman =
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  Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:14 =
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family><?param =
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  Re: AW: CFC Speeds for =
Repeater<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>Hi<BR><BR>I=20
  got this of the Electrix Forum since I had problems with my Simpletech =
256=20
  MBCF<BR>"Recently I bought Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk =
(Hitachi=20
  SAH05) Ref: CFH512EHG and it works perfectly."<BR><BR>Gunnar=20
  Backman<BR>Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics<BR>E-mail=20
  brakophonic@telia.com<BR>http://www.brakophonic.com<BR><BR><BR><BR>As =
far as I=20
  understand it, CFCs destined to work are those with a<BR>Hitachi =
chipset=20
  (information from Electrix or from their user group, and<BR>they =
weren't more=20
  specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's<BR>the one which =
was=20
  available when the Repeater was released). From<BR>sustained =
write/read speed,=20
  you can do the math yourself, ending up with<BR>something well below=20
  1MB/s.<BR><BR>Rainer<BR><BR>-----Urspr=FCngliche =
Nachricht-----<BR>Von: Tom=20
  Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]<BR>Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. =
Januar 2005=20
  19:12<BR>An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>Betreff: CFC =
Speeds for=20
  Repeater<BR><BR><BR>Hi all,<BR><BR>Like many folks I got a new digital =
camera=20
  for Christmas, and it of<BR>course came with a pretty small CFC. In =
buying a=20
  new one for it I<BR>learned that some manufacturers are now giving =
write=20
  speeds on their<BR>CFC. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience =
with this=20
  and the<BR>Repeater.<BR><BR>Lexar is making CFC that are labeled =
things like=20
  4X, 8X... and I've<BR>seen as high as 80X. For my camera I opted for a =
512MB=20
  40X which they<BR>claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB =
per=20
  second (they<BR>say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means =
150KB per=20
  second. I<BR>tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok =
for some=20
  small<BR>mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater=20
  instantly<BR>reported "CFC SLOW"<BR><BR>I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X =
that=20
  came with the camera and got the<BR>same results (stereo looping was =
too much=20
  for it).<BR><BR>So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years =
ago is=20
  still the<BR>biggest CFC I've found that works. Of course.. there's =
always the=20
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Hi
this is the card recommended  by the the Electrix Forum
Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi SAH05) Ref: CFH512EHG
Gunnar Backman
Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
E-mail  brakophonic@telia.com
http://www.brakophonic.com


> Great - thanks folks for the help!=A0 Didn't realize I'd sent a link =
to =20
> an SD card in the process... sheesh.
> =A0
> OK, one last (hopefully last) couple of clarifications, if anybody =20
> knows the answers:
>  =A0
> 1) Other than a significant price=A0gap, what's the difference between =
=20
> the $79.99 512MB card here:
> http://www.pretec.com/OnlineSales/SSD/CompactFlash/=20
> CompactFlash_order.htm
> =A0
> ...and the $249.99 card here ("Consumber Grade - =20
> 512MB-CFH512EHG-$249.99) here?
> http://www.pretec.com/=20
> order_industrial.htm#CompactFlash%20Standard%2034X
> =A0
> =A0
> ...and...
> =A0
> 2) ...will the former work OK w/my Repeater?
> =A0
> =A0
> thx much!
> Cass
>
>
> From: Gunnar Backman [mailto:brakophonic@telia.com]
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:26 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: AW: CFC Speeds for Repeater
>
> Hi
> =46rom electrix list
> Europe
>
> http://www.pccardsdirect.co.uk/acatalog/=20
> CF_Industrial_Grade_Hitachi_SAH05.html
>
> USA
>  =20
> http://www.pretec.com/=20
> order_industrial.htm#CompactFlash%20Standard%2034X
>
>
>
> Gunnar Backman
> Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
> E-mail brakophonic@telia.com
> http://www.brakophonic.com
>
>
> Anyone know the best place to get these Pretec 512MB chips?=A0 Is this =
=20
> the same item?=A0 (I notice the "different" part number, is why I'm =20=

> asking)
> =A0
> http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?=20
> dept_id=3D1446&pf_id=3DMP970882&src=3DIMFRO
> =A0
> thx!
> From: Gunnar Backman [mailto:brakophonic@telia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:14 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: AW: CFC Speeds for Repeater
>
> Hi
>
> I got this of the Electrix Forum since I had problems with my =20
> Simpletech 256 MBCF
> "Recently I bought Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi =20
> SAH05) Ref: CFH512EHG and it works perfectly."
>
> Gunnar Backman
> Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
> E-mail brakophonic@telia.com
> http://www.brakophonic.com
>
>
>
> As far as I understand it, CFCs destined to work are those with a
> Hitachi chipset (information from Electrix or from their user group, =20=

> and
> they weren't more specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's
> the one which was available when the Repeater was released). From
> sustained write/read speed, you can do the math yourself, ending up =20=

> with
> something well below 1MB/s.
>
> Rainer
>
> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Januar 2005 19:12
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Betreff: CFC Speeds for Repeater
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of
> course came with a pretty small CFC. In buying a new one for it I
> learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their
> CFC. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the
> Repeater.
>
> Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've
> seen as high as 80X. For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which they
> claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they
> say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I
> tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small
> mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater instantly
> reported "CFC SLOW"
>
> I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the
> same results (stereo looping was too much for it).
>
> So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still =
the
> biggest CFC I've found that works. Of course.. there's always the 80X
> Lexar (?)
>
>
> Anybody have any other findings?
>
> Thanks!
> Tom
>

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Hi=20

this is the card recommended  by the the Electrix Forum

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><x-tad-bigger>Pretec 512MB I-Grade
CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi SAH05) Ref: CFH512EHG=20

</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Gunnar
Backman

Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics

E-mail  brakophonic@telia.com

=
http://www.brakophonic.com</color><fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><x-tad=
-bigger>

</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>


=
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</par=
am><smaller>Great
- thanks folks for the help!=A0 Didn't realize I'd sent a link to an SD
card in the process... sheesh.</smaller></color></fontfamily>

=A0

=
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><small=
er>OK,
one last (hopefully last) couple of clarifications, if anybody knows
the answers:</smaller></color></fontfamily>

=
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><small=
er>
</smaller></color></fontfamily>=A0

=
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><small=
er>1)
Other than a significant price=A0gap, what's the difference between the
$79.99 512MB card here:</smaller></color></fontfamily>

=
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,EEEE</param><small=
er>http://www.pretec.com/OnlineSales/SSD/CompactFlash/CompactFlash_order.h=
tm</smaller></color></fontfamily>

=A0

=
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><small=
er>...and
the $249.99 card here ("Consumber Grade - 512MB-CFH512EHG-$249.99)
here?</smaller></color></fontfamily>

=
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,EEEE</param><small=
er>http://www.pretec.com/order_industrial.htm#CompactFlash%20Standard%2034=
X</smaller></color></fontfamily>

=A0

=A0

=
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><small=
er>...<italic>and...</italic></smaller></color></fontfamily>

=A0

=
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><small=
er>2)
...will the former work OK w/my Repeater?</smaller></color></fontfamily>

=A0

=A0

=
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><small=
er>thx
much!</smaller></color></fontfamily>

=
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><small=
er>Cass</smaller></color></fontfamily>



=
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mily></bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><smaller>
Gunnar Backman [mailto:brakophonic@telia.com]</smaller></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><smaller>
=
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er>
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:26 PM</smaller></fontfamily>

=
<bold><fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param><smaller>To:</smaller></fontfami=
ly></bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><smaller>
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=
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Re: AW: CFC Speeds for Repeater</smaller></fontfamily>


Hi

=46rom electrix list

Europe


=
http://www.pccardsdirect.co.uk/acatalog/CF_Industrial_Grade_Hitachi_SAH05.=
html


USA=20


http://www.pretec.com/order_industrial.htm#CompactFlash%20Standard%2034X




Gunnar Backman

Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics

E-mail brakophonic@telia.com

http://www.brakophonic.com



Anyone know the best place to get these Pretec 512MB chips?=A0 Is this
the same item?=A0 (I notice the "different" part number, is why I'm
asking)

=A0

=
http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?dept_id=3D1446&pf_id=3DMP970882&sr=
c=3DIMFRO

=A0

thx!

<bold><fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param>From:</fontfamily></bold>
Gunnar Backman [mailto:brakophonic@telia.com]

<bold><fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param>Sent:</fontfamily></bold>
Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:14 PM

<bold><fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param>To:</fontfamily></bold>
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

<bold><fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param>Subject:</fontfamily></bold>
Re: AW: CFC Speeds for Repeater


Hi


I got this of the Electrix Forum since I had problems with my
Simpletech 256 MBCF

"Recently I bought Pretec 512MB I-Grade CompactFlash Disk (Hitachi
SAH05) Ref: CFH512EHG and it works perfectly."


Gunnar Backman

Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics

E-mail brakophonic@telia.com

http://www.brakophonic.com




As far as I understand it, CFCs destined to work are those with a

Hitachi chipset (information from Electrix or from their user group,
and

they weren't more specific as to which chipset of Hitachi. Guess it's

the one which was available when the Repeater was released). From

sustained write/read speed, you can do the math yourself, ending up
with

something well below 1MB/s.


Rainer


-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----

Von: Tom Griesgraber [mailto:tom@thossounds.com]

Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Januar 2005 19:12

An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Betreff: CFC Speeds for Repeater



Hi all,


Like many folks I got a new digital camera for Christmas, and it of

course came with a pretty small CFC. In buying a new one for it I

learned that some manufacturers are now giving write speeds on their

CFC. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this and the

Repeater.


Lexar is making CFC that are labeled things like 4X, 8X... and I've

seen as high as 80X. For my camera I opted for a 512MB 40X which they

claim is capable of a sustained write speed of 6.0MB per second (they

say nothing about read speeds). "X" to them means 150KB per second. I

tried this card in the Repeater and while it seemed ok for some small

mono loops, as soon as I tried stereo recording the Repeater instantly

reported "CFC SLOW"


I also tried the 16MB Lexar 8X that came with the camera and got the

same results (stereo looping was too much for it).


So.. The SimpleTech 128MB I bought from Electrix years ago is still the

biggest CFC I've found that works. Of course.. there's always the 80X

Lexar (?)



Anybody have any other findings?


Thanks!

Tom


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On Jan 26, 2005, at 20:18, mark sottilaro wrote:

> Reading about Loopy Llama made me think of the glowing
> review I should write (Too busy!  Work is crazy and
> I'm moving!) about Augustus Loop by Expert Sleepers.
> SO cool.  I spend a few hours with it and Absynth and
> realized I could do a lot of damage with that pair
> alone.  After I move I intend to see how well that
> works on my laptop while also using an external input
> (guitar).  While it's no Repeater, it could be a great
> way to further pare down a special ops rig for
> short/small gigs.
>
> Mark Sottilaro


Hi Mark,

I definitely agree. Augustus is my friend! Just wait until you find out 
that you can loop your guitar frenzy and then "play the loop" from any 
midi instrument on midi channel two. This is the same trick that you 
can do on a Repeater but with the difference that Augustus does not 
time-stretch to keep the loop length the same when the pitch changes. 
But that sounds just great for material that is not timing critical. I 
use to play with an EDP and two Augustus Loops on a Powerbook.

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--- S V G <vsyevolod@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
>      As your heading implies, it is a Firefox
> problem.  I receive LD in digest form and every once
> in a while it comes to me super small.  It's an easy
> workaround though, just hit Ctrl + or Ctrl -
> to enlarge or reduce the text size.  Ctrl 0 (that's
> a zero) will return your television set to
> normal.  Hit Ctrl plus the infinity sign and you
> will start a loop.  (I just said that to keep
> this post on topic).

Thanks, I'll note this tip, though the tip I got from
Sean E. fixed my display problem:

Tools|Options|General|Fonts & Colors
Increase the "minimum font size"

Though as TH says, the very best fix is for everyone
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Now I gotta fix another "bug" - Yahoo mail tosses a
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>>second.  It was just as you can hear it: four serials of four ticks in
>>a
>>row, and then nothing untill the end of the loop...
>>It's here :


that's a nice idea, posting the sound.
..if you could do a wav file with just a couple of clicks we can probably
tell if it's an internal problem.
the mp3 processing changes the look quite a lot.

Did you try swapping the memory round?


andy



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Okay folks, I'll reluctantly acquiesce to the least common IT
denominator and send all my message in plain text.  Borrrrrringgg......
;)

K-



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>>There's a few people like that--Kris, Duncan, and I think Rick Walker,

whenever he'd use that colored background for his messages.  I thought
it 
was strongly suggested that people send plain text only to the list?<< 
I do usually change them to plain text, but then our corporate mail
demons (see what I did there...?) add all this disclaimer bollocks at
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Ah don't take it that way Krispen it is just an unfortunate side effect of
this hacker cracker world we live in online terrorism is a reality we all
have to live with ;D 

-----Original Message-----
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Okay folks, I'll reluctantly acquiesce to the least common IT denominator
and send all my message in plain text.  Borrrrrringgg......
;)

K-



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I can empathize, man. 10 years ago, I worked in R&D with nothing but an
HP UNIX machine, ELMS, VI, etc...no Outlook, MS Office, or anthing fancy
like that.  Eventually I gave in.  I'll send my next email in HEX code. 

Kris




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Ah don't take it that way Krispen it is just an unfortunate side effect
of this hacker cracker world we live in online terrorism is a reality we
all have to live with ;D 

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Okay folks, I'll reluctantly acquiesce to the least common IT
denominator and send all my message in plain text.  Borrrrrringgg......
;)

K-




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-->Thanks guys--I understand HTML screws up the digests . . .
Gary

-----Original Message-----
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Ah don't take it that way Krispen it is just an unfortunate side effect of
this hacker cracker world we live in online terrorism is a reality we all
have to live with ;D 

-----Original Message-----
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Okay folks, I'll reluctantly acquiesce to the least common IT denominator
and send all my message in plain text.  Borrrrrringgg......
;)

K-





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Ok, I will try to anwer your questions;

1 - I have posted the Wave sound, it's here :
http://www.familoo.com/familoo/RepFiles/9042563465/tick-01.wav . It's
another loop. the input knob was not at its minimum, that's why you can here
some sound in the background (a mic was plugged in).

2 - I 've tried several times, and each time the noise came by groups of
four, always separated by the same time of silence (or almost?)

3 - By "swapping the memory around", you mean to invert the position of the
memory simms? If that's it, I will try tomorrow( it's already 1AM here in
France...)

4 - I've tried with several loops, and it seems to be the same with every
loop; sometimes it apears on loop 1 and only, and sometimes in other loops
too, sometimes in other loops and not in loop 1...

.



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I'm very sorry that I'm late in posting to this thread.

I think the EDP knows when a "Cox" owns it, and does this :)  Actually, 
mine is MUCH worse, when it occurs.  Those pops sound like explosions on 
my EDP.  On my unit, it only happens after some serious overdubbing, 
multiplying, and next-looping.  But I have done all of the tests 
mentioned (and more) and I can confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that 
it is internal to the EDP, and is not heat related (I've had it happen 
on the first loop of the day on a unit that has been powered down all 
night).

Kim Flint suggested that I try new memory, and I've yet to get that 
done.  I *have* swapped memory between my 2 EDPs (didn't help), but 
they're both the same memory type, and I suspect it may be realted to 
the fact that they are the 8 chip variety vs. the 2 or 3 chip.  So, in 
the end, I can't help much on a fix, but I CAN confirm that this happens 
on one of my EDPs also.  Just worse - much louder and nastier.

I will post Kim's reply to my questions here, in case it helps.  I'm 
sure that he won't mind:

Hi Doug-

I don't see anything from your setup that would cause the problem. It is 
likely some hardware issue with that unit.

There may be a few things you can do before sending it to somebody. You 
could try reseating any of the IC's that are in sockets, sometimes they 
get dirty or corroded with time and cause strange behavior like this. 
Carefully pull them out of the sockets, clean the pins as you did, and 
reinstall them. Often that is enough to make the electrical contacts 
good again if they have gotten flaky.

Another rare possibility could be a problem with one of the memory 
simms. You might try replacing them if you can get your hands on some 
4MB 30pin simms, and see if that helps. I recommend simms that have 2 or 
3 chips on them. (the 8/9 chip variety has on rare occasion caused 
problems, so you might as well not take the chance.) I most recently got 
these from Kahlon:
http://www.kahlon.com/category.asp?catID=1#4

Otherwise you will need to send it to somebody for repair. You would 
have to contact Gibson for that. Ultimately the person you want is Shane 
Radtke, who I assume they will direct you to. I'm not sure if he still 
works for gibson. His service company is http://www.britishaudioservice.com

kim

Cox wrote:

>Ok, I will try to anwer your questions;
>
>1 - I have posted the Wave sound, it's here :
>http://www.familoo.com/familoo/RepFiles/9042563465/tick-01.wav . It's
>another loop. the input knob was not at its minimum, that's why you can here
>some sound in the background (a mic was plugged in).
>
>2 - I 've tried several times, and each time the noise came by groups of
>four, always separated by the same time of silence (or almost?)
>
>3 - By "swapping the memory around", you mean to invert the position of the
>memory simms? If that's it, I will try tomorrow( it's already 1AM here in
>France...)
>
>4 - I've tried with several loops, and it seems to be the same with every
>loop; sometimes it apears on loop 1 and only, and sometimes in other loops
>too, sometimes in other loops and not in loop 1...
>
>.
>
>
>
>
>  
>

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Hello Dennis and all loopsters,

On certain days when I am inspired and a good groove becomes a loop, then a
masterpiece in my practice room :), I often wished I had run the 4-track to
capture the moment. But lately I've learned to "let it all fade to feedback
and decay"...

A few months back there was an article in Guitar Player written by David
Torn, who spoke about this subject. Letting loops "go" and not be recorded.

He basically stated that the process would allow you the motivation to "do
it again" and improve, and also at the same time (for beginners) to get more
familiar with their gear and learn it better as well. 

This is true, as I have seen an improvement in my loops/playing in the 6
month period from June 04 through Dec 04. This is helping me become more
confident in wanting to live loop at an open mike. (sometime soon, yes !)

Peace.

Ed in NJ


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I can't offer advice on the best deal - but my understanding is that you 
need to purchase a CFC with the Hitachi controller, and Pretec is 
charging a premium for it .  I recently paid about $200 US for the 512 
Mb CFC.  Seems to work great, but I haven't tried anything too tricky - 
records in stereo and plays back four tracks without breaking a sweat.

I didn't see the same part number (CFH512EHG) listed at all on the 'USA' 
version of the Pretec catalog link that Gunnar Backman posted.

I purchased mine by calling the company as they preferred taking the 
credit card info over the phone.

Pretec Customer Services / Presales Information
9AM to 5PM PST Mon-Fri.
Phone: 510-440-0535. (U.S. only). 

I asked for the 512 Mb CompactFlash with Hitachi SAH05 ATA Controller 
(CFH512EHG).  I had it in a few days.  My display now shows 96 minutes 
of sampling time available...

BTW You can transfer files from the CFC to the computer and back to the 
card by instering the CFC into a USB reader.  It sees the CFC as a USB 
device and building a loop library is as simple as drag & drop....

Dan





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I'm curious as to what stereo digital recording units others are using
to record their live performance off the soundboard. I'm currently using
a Sony Minidisk MZ-R70 to record from the tape out of my Mackie.  For a
$225 unit, it does a pretty damn good job, with automatic input
leveling, etc.  In fact, the last CD I released with the didgeridoo
player was recorded to this unit, then re-mixed to my Digidesign mBox
(where I added some EQ, compression, normalization, dithering, etc).
When I look at this thing, which is about the size of a pack of mini
cigars, and listen to what it records, I'm still in shock at the
clarity.

However, I want to step it up another level of quality. I'm thinking of
a DAT recorder, like the Panasonic SV-3700 or SV-3800. Any experiences
with these? The crazy thing is that these sell new for anywhere between
$700 and $1200, yet eBay has them for Buy Now prices of $150 to $300!
Is there something going on here that I'm not aware of that I should
consider? I've never seen such a huge depreciation on eBay. They are
quit big...three or four spaces.

Other options I'm considering are a higher grade minidisk recorder, like
one of the full rack space units, rather than the portable hand-held I
have now. 

Kris





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From: "Krispen Hartung" <info@krispenhartung.com>
Subject: 2-Channel Stereo Recording from the Soundboard


> However, I want to step it up another level of quality. I'm thinking of
> a DAT recorder, like the Panasonic SV-3700 or SV-3800. Any experiences
> with these? The crazy thing is that these sell new for anywhere between
> $700 and $1200, yet eBay has them for Buy Now prices of $150 to $300!
> Is there something going on here that I'm not aware of that I should
> consider?

Yep.  There are *no* new DAT decks being made.  No-one is making the
mechanism any more.

That's probably the reason they're going so cheap.  DAT as a format is
dying, rapidly.

Possible alternatives might include the Nomad Jukebox, various hard disk
recorders, a Sony Hi-MD recorder.

Dave O'Heare

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This look like an amazing unit:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PMD570/

It records on a flash disk, directly to wav or MP3 format. I could
transfer the files directly to my PC and edit with ProTools.  I had no
idea these things existed. And it is rackmount 1 space to boot! 

Kris


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I'm curious as to what stereo digital recording units others are using
to record their live performance off the soundboard. I'm currently using
a Sony Minidisk MZ-R70 to record from the tape out of my Mackie.  For a
$225 unit, it does a pretty damn good job, with automatic input
leveling, etc.  In fact, the last CD I released with the didgeridoo
player was recorded to this unit, then re-mixed to my Digidesign mBox
(where I added some EQ, compression, normalization, dithering, etc).
When I look at this thing, which is about the size of a pack of mini
cigars, and listen to what it records, I'm still in shock at the
clarity.

However, I want to step it up another level of quality. I'm thinking of
a DAT recorder, like the Panasonic SV-3700 or SV-3800. Any experiences
with these? The crazy thing is that these sell new for anywhere between
$700 and $1200, yet eBay has them for Buy Now prices of $150 to $300! Is
there something going on here that I'm not aware of that I should
consider? I've never seen such a huge depreciation on eBay. They are
quit big...three or four spaces.

Other options I'm considering are a higher grade minidisk recorder, like
one of the full rack space units, rather than the portable hand-held I
have now. 

Kris






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Hi Dan,

Are you saying you can drag loops from the computer to the CFC with no 
problem?  Is that pre-existing repeater loops, or have you been able to 
load audio files in somehow?  I've been under the impression that it 
was an easy thing to copy loops off of Repeater CFCs, but that it was 
basically impossible to say take wav files from Pro Tools, load them 
onto a Repeater CFC and have it recognize them.  I remember something 
somewhere about how such files would have to exactly replace existing 
Repeater files or something. (???)

-Tom




On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Dan Ash wrote:

> I can't offer advice on the best deal - but my understanding is that 
> you need to purchase a CFC with the Hitachi controller, and Pretec is 
> charging a premium for it .  I recently paid about $200 US for the 512 
> Mb CFC.  Seems to work great, but I haven't tried anything too tricky 
> - records in stereo and plays back four tracks without breaking a 
> sweat.
>
> I didn't see the same part number (CFH512EHG) listed at all on the 
> 'USA' version of the Pretec catalog link that Gunnar Backman posted.
>
> I purchased mine by calling the company as they preferred taking the 
> credit card info over the phone.
>
> Pretec Customer Services / Presales Information
> 9AM to 5PM PST Mon-Fri.
> Phone: 510-440-0535. (U.S. only).
> I asked for the 512 Mb CompactFlash with Hitachi SAH05 ATA Controller 
> (CFH512EHG).  I had it in a few days.  My display now shows 96 minutes 
> of sampling time available...
>
> BTW You can transfer files from the CFC to the computer and back to 
> the card by instering the CFC into a USB reader.  It sees the CFC as a 
> USB device and building a loop library is as simple as drag & drop....
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>

Tom Griesgraber
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I love that aspect of looping.  To me it's so much
about the process and the moment that recording it has
a Heisenburg like effect on the loopage and it's never
quite as good.  Build your sandcastle and let the tide
take it.  Build another tomorrow.

Mark

--- ejyuhas <ejyuhas@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hello Dennis and all loopsters,
> 
> On certain days when I am inspired and a good groove
> becomes a loop, then a
> masterpiece in my practice room :), I often wished I
> had run the 4-track to
> capture the moment. But lately I've learned to "let
> it all fade to feedback
> and decay"...\

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Hi Gang,
is there a list of the bugs on this units
somewhere?sorry for the repeatition if there is one, i
want to compare them with all of you users because i
have one of the older units (although ive upgraded to
the latest o.s.),and further adress them to electrix.
Here is what ive found so far and yes i am using the
FCB1010 to trigger all of the midi functions:
-Pitch chance on turning the unit on
-stereo tracks activated sometimes when just choosing
a single track
-after turning the unit on for the first time
play/stop comand doesnt respond until a second press
-dry unmuted as default(oh,well)
-popclick at the end of a close loop sometimes
-in muting a track sometimes it will be chosen as the
audible one while muting the rest (a nice bug)
dont be afraid to add to the list!
cheers
Luis



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At 04:58 27/01/05, you wrote:
>I'm curious as to what stereo digital recording units others are using
>to record their live performance off the soundboard. I'm currently using
>a Sony Minidisk MZ-R70 to record from the tape out of my Mackie.  For a
>$225 unit, it does a pretty damn good job, with automatic input
>leveling, etc.

There's a quality increase to be had if you can switch out the automatic
input leveling.

andy butler


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This "tick-tick-tick" noise problem sounds like a Repeater when playing
sounds off the CFC. Maybe -- IŽm just speculating -- the memory sticks
installed in this particular EDP are too slow and hence produce some kind of
"scanner" noise? IŽm no tech at all, IŽm just speculating, so please donŽt
take my ramblings for granted.

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----- Original Message -----
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> I'm very sorry that I'm late in posting to this thread.
>
> I think the EDP knows when a "Cox" owns it, and does this :)  Actually,
> mine is MUCH worse, when it occurs.  Those pops sound like explosions on
> my EDP.  On my unit, it only happens after some serious overdubbing,
> multiplying, and next-looping.  But I have done all of the tests
> mentioned (and more) and I can confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that
> it is internal to the EDP, and is not heat related (I've had it happen
> on the first loop of the day on a unit that has been powered down all
> night).
>
> Kim Flint suggested that I try new memory, and I've yet to get that
> done.  I *have* swapped memory between my 2 EDPs (didn't help), but
> they're both the same memory type, and I suspect it may be realted to
> the fact that they are the 8 chip variety vs. the 2 or 3 chip.  So, in
> the end, I can't help much on a fix, but I CAN confirm that this happens
> on one of my EDPs also.  Just worse - much louder and nastier.
>
> I will post Kim's reply to my questions here, in case it helps.  I'm
> sure that he won't mind:
>
> Hi Doug-
>
> I don't see anything from your setup that would cause the problem. It is
> likely some hardware issue with that unit.
>
> There may be a few things you can do before sending it to somebody. You
> could try reseating any of the IC's that are in sockets, sometimes they
> get dirty or corroded with time and cause strange behavior like this.
> Carefully pull them out of the sockets, clean the pins as you did, and
> reinstall them. Often that is enough to make the electrical contacts
> good again if they have gotten flaky.
>
> Another rare possibility could be a problem with one of the memory
> simms. You might try replacing them if you can get your hands on some
> 4MB 30pin simms, and see if that helps. I recommend simms that have 2 or
> 3 chips on them. (the 8/9 chip variety has on rare occasion caused
> problems, so you might as well not take the chance.) I most recently got
> these from Kahlon:
> http://www.kahlon.com/category.asp?catID=1#4
>
> Otherwise you will need to send it to somebody for repair. You would
> have to contact Gibson for that. Ultimately the person you want is Shane
> Radtke, who I assume they will direct you to. I'm not sure if he still
> works for gibson. His service company is
http://www.britishaudioservice.com
>
> kim
>
> Cox wrote:
>
> >Ok, I will try to anwer your questions;
> >
> >1 - I have posted the Wave sound, it's here :
> >http://www.familoo.com/familoo/RepFiles/9042563465/tick-01.wav . It's
> >another loop. the input knob was not at its minimum, that's why you can
here
> >some sound in the background (a mic was plugged in).
> >
> >2 - I 've tried several times, and each time the noise came by groups of
> >four, always separated by the same time of silence (or almost?)
> >
> >3 - By "swapping the memory around", you mean to invert the position of
the
> >memory simms? If that's it, I will try tomorrow( it's already 1AM here in
> >France...)
> >
> >4 - I've tried with several loops, and it seems to be the same with every
> >loop; sometimes it apears on loop 1 and only, and sometimes in other
loops
> >too, sometimes in other loops and not in loop 1...
> >
> >.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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IŽm very conservative and boring in that respect, IŽm mostly recording
straight to DAT, using a Tascam DA-30 (old faithful). I just donŽt trust MD
or other media that use memory cards for recording and playback. An MD is
okay when it comes to ambient field recordings but I still believe thereŽs a
considerable loss in audio quality due to sample conversion algorithms. ItŽs
okay for certain things (like replacing your trusty old Wlakman while
commuting to work on LondonŽs tube) but as a basis to start producing oneŽs
own music from... I donŽt know, this still gives me some serious headache.

Stephen.


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> At 04:58 27/01/05, you wrote:
> >I'm curious as to what stereo digital recording units others are using
> >to record their live performance off the soundboard. I'm currently using
> >a Sony Minidisk MZ-R70 to record from the tape out of my Mackie.  For a
> >$225 unit, it does a pretty damn good job, with automatic input
> >leveling, etc.
>
> There's a quality increase to be had if you can switch out the automatic
> input leveling.
>
> andy butler
>
>

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At 04:58 27/01/05, you wrote:
>Cox wrote:
>
>>Ok, I will try to anwer your questions;
>>
>>1 - I have posted the Wave sound, it's here :
>>http://www.familoo.com/familoo/RepFiles/9042563465/tick-01.wav . It's
>>another loop. the input knob was not at its minimum, that's why you can here
>>some sound in the background (a mic was plugged in).


hmmm

seems to be a dc offset with the clicks,
(which in the recording shows up as an exponential decay)

It's not the dc offset that occurs because of the noise gate though.

so I'd guess
1) not a memory fault, which would produce (afaik) a click without the offset.
2) It's internal to the EDP, because the clicks are very sharp.

:-(
so if you can't fix it by reseating the chips,
then it needs to be sent away.

andy butler


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In a message dated 1/26/05 8:57:20 PM, info@krispenhartung.com writes:

<< It records on a flash disk, directly to wav or MP3 format. I could
transfer the files directly to my PC >>


This looks interesting too:

http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html


BobC


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Incidentally, I'm selling my Sony Minidisk MZ-R70 and Soundprofessionals
stereo mic/preamp package on eBay for a decent price:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5747406477&ssPag
eName=STRK:MESE:IT

I've recorded direct from my board to this unit to create all of the
clips on this CD:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/hartungandmiressemusic.htm

The mic system also works very well for recording live performances
where you can't get a live feed off the mixer board...I've even stealth
recorded a few professioanal performances!  This unit has automatic
level control as well.

Kris




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I'm curious as to what stereo digital recording units others are using
to record their live performance off the soundboard. I'm currently using
a Sony Minidisk MZ-R70 to record from the tape out of my Mackie.  For a
$225 unit, it does a pretty damn good job, with automatic input
leveling, etc.  In fact, the last CD I released with the didgeridoo
player was recorded to this unit, then re-mixed to my Digidesign mBox
(where I added some EQ, compression, normalization, dithering, etc).
When I look at this thing, which is about the size of a pack of mini
cigars, and listen to what it records, I'm still in shock at the
clarity.

However, I want to step it up another level of quality. I'm thinking of
a DAT recorder, like the Panasonic SV-3700 or SV-3800. Any experiences
with these? The crazy thing is that these sell new for anywhere between
$700 and $1200, yet eBay has them for Buy Now prices of $150 to $300!
Is there something going on here that I'm not aware of that I should
consider? I've never seen such a huge depreciation on eBay. They are
quit big...three or four spaces.

Other options I'm considering are a higher grade minidisk recorder, like
one of the full rack space units, rather than the portable hand-held I
have now. 

Kris





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In contrast, for me looping opened up recording again, as I was feeling
really sick of the finicky nature of traditional studio multitrack
recording. Now, I just play, and my recordings are documents of those
moments. Kind of like the Japanese enso character=8Bperfect in their
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on 1/26/05 9:59 PM, mark sottilaro at marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net wrote:

> I love that aspect of looping.  To me it's so much
> about the process and the moment that recording it has
> a Heisenburg like effect on the loopage and it's never
> quite as good.  Build your sandcastle and let the tide
> take it.  Build another tomorrow.
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Thanks again to everyone for your support.
I've tried  reseating the chips, but unfortunately, nothing new :(
I noticed that the the noise desappears when I undo the loop in which it had
appeared... it seems to be logical, but maybe it could be another clue for
you detectives?

I wish I didn't have to send it away, because I'm afraid it could cost much,
and take long... And I've had it for only a few days! :-( And I don't even
know where I should send it, I have no Gibson dealer around (deep center of
France...)

No one has a miraculus solution? I keep the faith...

----- Original Message ----- 
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> At 04:58 27/01/05, you wrote:
> >Cox wrote:
> >
> >>Ok, I will try to anwer your questions;
> >>
> >>1 - I have posted the Wave sound, it's here :
> >>http://www.familoo.com/familoo/RepFiles/9042563465/tick-01.wav . It's
> >>another loop. the input knob was not at its minimum, that's why you can
here
> >>some sound in the background (a mic was plugged in).
>
>
> hmmm
>
> seems to be a dc offset with the clicks,
> (which in the recording shows up as an exponential decay)
>
> It's not the dc offset that occurs because of the noise gate though.
>
> so I'd guess
> 1) not a memory fault, which would produce (afaik) a click without the
offset.
> 2) It's internal to the EDP, because the clicks are very sharp.
>
> :-(
> so if you can't fix it by reseating the chips,
> then it needs to be sent away.
>
> andy butler
>
>
>

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Howdy, Noisemakers!
The other day my daughter was recording herself (and snippets of TV audio) with her little lo-res hand-held sampling toy, which allows her to record about 4 seconds of whatever the built-in mic can pick up and then play it back in charmingly mangled low fidelity. Part of this must be the low resolution of the toy-grade digital circuitry, and a some of it may be from the 2-inch speaker (and the not-exactly-Class-A amplifier circuit). 
The question is this: 
Is there anything on the market that can cop the sound of a toy sampler? Anything that can sonically degrade our instruments in a similar way? It's an entertaining texture and I am beginning to hunger for it (bwa-ha-ha-ha-hahaaa!!)
~Tim Mungenast
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I'm for this approach too. I understand and appreciate the "let it go"
philosophy, but for me recording my performances and experiments in the
basement is analogous to keeping a written journal of my thoughts and
feelings. Once in a while, something comes out of me that is
magical....rarely is it ever reproducable...which is why I like having a
record of it.  Listening to it can promt those initial creative thoughts
and feelings I had, which sparked the performance in the first place.
Of course, I don't record mself when I'm learning or experiementing with
some new gear or techniques. 
 
Kris
 
 

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In contrast, for me looping opened up recording again, as I was feeling
really sick of the finicky nature of traditional studio multitrack
recording. Now, I just play, and my recordings are documents of those
moments. Kind of like the Japanese enso character-perfect in their
imperfection.

D


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on 1/26/05 9:59 PM, mark sottilaro at marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net wrote:



I love that aspect of looping.  To me it's so much
about the process and the moment that recording it has
a Heisenburg like effect on the loopage and it's never
quite as good.  Build your sandcastle and let the tide
take it.  Build another tomorrow.

Mark

--- ejyuhas <ejyuhas@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hello Dennis and all loopsters,
> 
> On certain days when I am inspired and a good groove
> becomes a loop, then a
> masterpiece in my practice room :), I often wished I
> had run the 4-track to
> capture the moment. But lately I've learned to "let
> it all fade to feedback
> and decay"...\






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I think there are several decimator (they drop bits)  plug-ins that can 
approach this.
I'd have to check but I thought that the Pluggo set had one.
As far as hardware is concerned, although I haven't tried it, from the 
descriptions it
sounds like the Frostwave Sonic Alienator might do it.

On Jan 27, 2005, at 11:57 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:

> Howdy, Noisemakers!
> The other day my daughter was recording herself (and snippets of TV 
> audio) with her little lo-res hand-held sampling toy, which allows her 
> to record about 4 seconds of whatever the built-in mic can pick up and 
> then play it back in charmingly mangled low fidelity. Part of this 
> must be the low resolution of the toy-grade digital circuitry, and a 
> some of it may be from the 2-inch speaker (and the not-exactly-Class-A 
> amplifier circuit).
> The question is this:
> Is there anything on the market that can cop the sound of a toy 
> sampler? Anything that can sonically degrade our instruments in a 
> similar way? It's an entertaining texture and I am beginning to hunger 
> for it (bwa-ha-ha-ha-hahaaa!!)
> ~Tim Mungenast
> www.cdbaby.com/mungenast
> www.mungenast.com
>
>
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I use a Repeater every day with a FCB1010 and I've not
experienced a single one of those problems.

Mark

--- "L. Angulo" <labalou2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Gang,
> is there a list of the bugs on this units
> somewhere?sorry for the repeatition if there is one,
> i
> want to compare them with all of you users because i
> have one of the older units (although ive upgraded
> to
> the latest o.s.),and further adress them to
> electrix.
> Here is what ive found so far and yes i am using the
> FCB1010 to trigger all of the midi functions:
> -Pitch chance on turning the unit on
> -stereo tracks activated sometimes when just
> choosing
> a single track
> -after turning the unit on for the first time
> play/stop comand doesnt respond until a second press
> -dry unmuted as default(oh,well)
> -popclick at the end of a close loop sometimes
> -in muting a track sometimes it will be chosen as
> the
> audible one while muting the rest (a nice bug)
> dont be afraid to add to the list!
> cheers
> Luis
> 
> 
> 
> =====
> www.luis-angulo.com
> 
> 
> 		
> __________________________________ 
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> http://my.yahoo.com 
>  
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This will be - I hope- my last message in this topic.
I suddenly remembered what a k bitler told me yesterday about swapping the
memory round. I did not do it yesterday (it was late here in France) and
forgot to do it. So,as a last hope, I've just pulled the memory simms from
their sockets to do it. And, looking at them with accuracy, I noticed that
one of them (the 1st one) had "dirt" on it. Something like "corrosion" I
don't know if it's the right word.
So, I've cleaned it and the socket where it was, and put the memories back,
exchanging thier places...
Now, eveyrthing seems to be working fine! I had removed the memories once
(before asking your help) , but I did not notice this detail: the solution
was here however!

I'm sorry to have anoyed everybody with my problem, but it was a god
opportunity for me to "meet" you.  ;-)
Now, I'm a happy member of this community, I'm sure we will have other
meetings.
Let's hope everything will be OK now!

Thank all of you very much for you help, see you soon!

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Fantastic!  Now go have some fun :)

Cox wrote:
> This will be - I hope- my last message in this topic.
> I suddenly remembered what a k bitler told me yesterday about swapping the
> memory round. I did not do it yesterday (it was late here in France) and
> forgot to do it. So,as a last hope, I've just pulled the memory simms from
> their sockets to do it. And, looking at them with accuracy, I noticed that
> one of them (the 1st one) had "dirt" on it. Something like "corrosion" I
> don't know if it's the right word.
> So, I've cleaned it and the socket where it was, and put the memories back,
> exchanging thier places...
> Now, eveyrthing seems to be working fine! I had removed the memories once
> (before asking your help) , but I did not notice this detail: the solution
> was here however!
> 
> I'm sorry to have anoyed everybody with my problem, but it was a god
> opportunity for me to "meet" you.  ;-)
> Now, I'm a happy member of this community, I'm sure we will have other
> meetings.
> Let's hope everything will be OK now!
> 
> Thank all of you very much for you help, see you soon!
> 
> 

-- 
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SEP, Inc.
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>> Is that pre-existing repeater loops, or have you been able to 
load audio files in somehow?

Yes - pre-existing Repeater loops only - sorry if I didn't make that clear.

Posts about the new 'Reputer' utility have got me interested in exporting audio loops into the Repeater - I plan to download it as soon as I have some time to sit and get acquainted with it.

Dan


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Here is my list. I consider myself a heavy user, and in an attempt to 
eliminate human error as much as possible (i.e. that I'm not sending 
superfluous midi messages), I have applied similar bug-tracking logic 
that I would use in the software realm to the problem. The following is 
what I've determined are bugs in my unit, ONLY when controlling the 
Repeater with the FCB1010. I have not had the opportunity to use 
another midi pedal, so this is clearly a major limitation of my 
investigation! Does it happen with the Ground Control, for example?

The following 3 items are what I think of as true bugs (I have a 
separate list of irritating things that are really feature requests!):

1) send PC message to "Multiply" - occasionally* (see below)  the loop 
will speed up (without changing the BPM indicated in the LCD). If you 
press "Undo" the loop goes back to its regular speed, OR if you wait a 
few seconds it will slow down and reach its regular speed.

2) send PC message to "Record" - occasionally* will arm Track 3 & 4 for 
stereo recording.

3) Metronome turns on - This has only happened a handful of times, all 
in performance after hitting something on the foot controller. I have 
not been able to replicate it and so can't say what message, if any, is 
causing it!  It is extremely alarming when it happens because my music 
is suddenly overwhelmed by a loud TICK TICK TICK. My main goal then is 
to get it TO SHUT THE F*** UP and each time I've powered down the 
Repeater in a hurry, forgetting whatever it was that I just pressed.

*occasionally:
Both these things will begin to happen continually when I've been using 
the Repeater for a long stretch, say 30 minutes. They will continue to 
happen until I power down the unit. For this reason, I have the 
Repeater on a separate power strip, both so that I can shut the unit 
off inbetween songs, in the event of an emergency. Recently I've taken 
to powering down between each song as a prophylactic measure, 
attempting to stop #1 and #2 from happening in the first place.  Seems 
to work.

At first I though perhaps sending too many messages with one foot press 
was the issue (for instance "Record" + "Feedback level" + "Pan Trk 1" + 
"Pan Trk 2"). So I pared down the patches to send single messages 
(clunky!!). After about half an hour of use, I would still get #1 and 
#2 to happen.

That is my experience.


On Thursday, January 27, 2005, at 10:27  AM, mark sottilaro wrote:

> I use a Repeater every day with a FCB1010 and I've not
> experienced a single one of those problems.
>
> Mark
>
> --- "L. Angulo" <labalou2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gang,
>> is there a list of the bugs on this units
>> somewhere?sorry for the repeatition if there is one,
>> i
>> want to compare them with all of you users because i
>> have one of the older units (although ive upgraded
>> to
>> the latest o.s.),and further adress them to
>> electrix.
>> Here is what ive found so far and yes i am using the
>> FCB1010 to trigger all of the midi functions:
>> -Pitch chance on turning the unit on
>> -stereo tracks activated sometimes when just
>> choosing
>> a single track
>> -after turning the unit on for the first time
>> play/stop comand doesnt respond until a second press
>> -dry unmuted as default(oh,well)
>> -popclick at the end of a close loop sometimes
>> -in muting a track sometimes it will be chosen as
>> the
>> audible one while muting the rest (a nice bug)
>> dont be afraid to add to the list!
>> cheers
>> Luis
>>
>>
>>
>> =====
>> www.luis-angulo.com
>>
>>
>> 		
>> __________________________________
>> Do you Yahoo!?
>> Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today!
>> http://my.yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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I Wish someone would develop a stereo recording interface to IPOD
since it can play Aiff and Wav files
and holds 20-40 GB it could be perfect,
  if the interface is good enough.

Gunnar Backman
Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
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     Tom,

     Get thee to the Repeater-Users Yahoo group!  There is a guy there who has developed a PC
utility which will import and export .wav files to and from the Repeater.  It's an awesome bit of
reverse engineering, it only took him about 400 hours!  He's asking $15 for a license, otherwise
you have about 3 hours of functionality to check it out.  His website:

     http://www.geocities.com/piggyfinger/index.html

     Before this, loops could be imported into the Repeater ONLY if you were replacing an existing
loop of exactly the same length.  Now .wav files up to 8 minutes can be easily imported.  Of
course you will need some sort of CFC reader on your computer.  These are simple to find as USB
devices, some computers come with them nowadays.

     Stephen  (Greetings from Seattle)


<<Are you saying you can drag loops from the computer to the CFC with no 
problem?  Is that pre-existing repeater loops, or have you been able to 
load audio files in somehow?  I've been under the impression that it 
was an easy thing to copy loops off of Repeater CFCs, but that it was 
basically impossible to say take wav files from Pro Tools, load them 
onto a Repeater CFC and have it recognize them.  I remember something 
somewhere about how such files would have to exactly replace existing 
Repeater files or something. (???)

-Tom


		
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Hi i'm new to this list so i don't know if this has been discussed.  I"m 
just curious if this machine has the same infinite repeat (loop) capablities 
that the rds 7.6 has....and what kind of footswitch setup you can use to 
make the rds "like" the pds pedals (i'm familiar with those).  anyway any 
information about this model would be great.

thanks.


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I'm performing this Saturday with my ambient/industrial improvisational 
instrumental looping soundscape trio Subscape Annex this Saturday, and 
with fellow listmember Adrian L next Friday. If you happen to stop in for 
our shows, say hello, and expect to see several looper devices being used 
on stage.

best,
Steve B

----------
1) 
The ambient/industrial improvisational instrumental soundscapes trio 
Subscape Annex is playing this Saturday, 29 January, at the Cantina 
as part of the Dracula's Daughter goth night event. Subscape Annex and 
improvisational gothjazz band ENB (Emergency Noise Band) are playing on 
the first floor, and DJs mouse and nguinn are spinning on the second 
floor. Music begins at 10pm.

(note: 919noise listmember Rick is in ENB.)

The Cantina is next to the Brewery and across the street from Cup-a-Joe on 
Hillsborough St in Raleigh, NC. 
Cantina:            http://triangle.citysearch.com/profile/6184046/
Dracula's Daughter: http://www.draculasdaughter.net/
flyer:              http://www.destinytech.lod.com/dd.jpg

2)
Steve B performs with Adrian L in their dual-Chapman stick and 
theremin instrumental looping improvisational duo Phasmatodea, one week 
from Friday on first Friday, 4 February, at Glitter Gallery. Glitter is on 
Hargett St in Raleigh, above Father and Son. Other performers for the 
evening are to be announced. 

Phasmatodea    http://www.phasmatodea.net/
Glitter        http://glittermusic.tripod.com/
Father & Sons  http://www.swankarama.com/

We hope to see you out.

best,
Steve, Anthony and Rob
Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/

Adrian and Steve
Phasmatodea    http://www.phasmatodea.net/

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>
>> Is there anything on the market that can cop the sound of a toy 
>> sampler? Anything that can sonically degrade our instruments in a 
>> similar way? It's an entertaining texture and I am beginning to 
>> hunger for it!
>

Alesis made/(makes?) a cool unti called the BITRMAN, it's in the MODFX 
line. Really neat if you can find one. Musicians Friend had them for 
under $50 (as with all the rest of the MODFX line, I have the vocoder, 
which I got for $40) for a while. They still have some, but I don't 
think they have the BITRMAN any longer. Alesis's website for them is here:

http://www.alesis.com/products/modfx/

The decimator/bit reducer should do the trick for you!

Jacob
robberdotcom.com

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<P>You can't get the bitrman from Musician's friend anymore,and thy've gotten quite expensive on ebay<BR><BR></P></DIV></div></html>

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It actually used to immediately overdub after closing the loop and I
changed it last week to be more "DL-4 like".  I was considering making it
a preference (a checkbox or something) and I definitely will soon....right
now my priority is a Mac version - which is almost done except for a bug
with the tempo light.

True, it is a pity about losing the loop with tempo change, but I am
unfamiliar with time stretching methods...except that it seems like you
need a fairly complex algorithm to do it with any quality - the default
time stretching in Pro Tools kills me.  For the near future I plan on
being able to double or cut in half the tempo...and "trigger" the loop
from the beginning.

The problem with checking out hardware loopers is (1) my bank statement or
lack thereof (2) Many of the best ones are things of the past.  I borrowed
a Jam Man and Dl-4 to study them, but I may have forgotten some of the
details of how they work and just did it how I thought was best.

But thank you very much for the feedback - it's exactly what I need to
make it more fun to loop with.

Chris
http://chriskline.com

> Hi Chris,
>
> just had started to play with my llopy llama - short version: works fine
> basically, and I look forward when it will turn into a fully-fledged EDP
> competitor:
>
> One question: as I understand it, when recording loops in "endpoints"
> mode, with the first press of the record button, you start the loop,
> with the next press, you close the loop, and with the next press, you
> start overdubbing.
>
> This closely resembles the way the Repeater works and with which most
> people (including me) are unhappy: it would be great to be able to go
> into overdub right when ending the loop. Of course, as I understand your
> UI, this would require an additional button (a "play" button).
>
> I would suggest checking other (hardware) loopers for their interface
> structure; from what I kinda read from your post, you're also familiar
> with the DL4?
>
> Another thing: I think it's a pity I lose my loop when I change the
> tempo. But I assume that would be a really major change indeed.
>
> Thanks for your ear!
>
> 	Rainer
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Chris Kline [mailto:contact@chriskline.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Januar 2005 10:04
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Betreff: New Looper: Loopy Llama
>
>
> I have developed a VST software looper, the Loopy Llama, that emulates
> many of the best features of the Lexicon Jam Man, Frippertronics, and
> the Line6 DL-4.  I am curious about the opinions of the looping
> community towards a looping plugin, and I am distributing it free right
> now.  Please see http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 for details on the
> looper.
>
> Do not discount this just because it requires a computer, it is designed
> for REAL-TIME use with a foot controller.  The act of using a computer
> live is still in its infancy but it IS starting to happen for the less
> nerdy types. A reasonably priced laptop and pro audio interface can now
> compete with the latency of a dsp foot pedal (yes, they do have
> latency).
> I have the technical info to back that up at
> http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=19.  I hope this is the start of a new
> outlet for live looping,  Line6 seems to think it's "no longer
> marketable" and sadly discontinued the DL-4.
>
> Let me know your thoughts,
>
> Chris
> http://rekliner.com
>
>
>
>


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what a terrible drag that it doesn't accept digital ins!


On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:07:15 EST, Aptrev@aol.com <Aptrev@aol.com> wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 1/26/05 8:57:20 PM, info@krispenhartung.com writes:
> 
> << It records on a flash disk, directly to wav or MP3 format. I could
> transfer the files directly to my PC >>
> 
> 
> This looks interesting too:
> 
> http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html
> 
> BobC
> 
> http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier
> http://trundlebox.iuma.com
> http://tinyurl.com/yuru7
> 
> 


-- 
     /t

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The Maranz PMD570? The specs say it has one digital input...

Inputs  

2 x XLR Female, Balanced
2 x RCA Phono(L, R), Unbalanced
1 x SPDIF Coaxial Digital In
Computer I/O Port
RS232C Port  

Output  

2 x RCA Phono(L,R), Unbalanced
1 x SPDIF Coaxial Digital Out  

-----Original Message-----
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what a terrible drag that it doesn't accept digital ins!


On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:07:15 EST, Aptrev@aol.com <Aptrev@aol.com> wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 1/26/05 8:57:20 PM, info@krispenhartung.com writes:
> 
> << It records on a flash disk, directly to wav or MP3 format. I could 
> transfer the files directly to my PC >>
> 
> 
> This looks interesting too:
> 
> http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html
> 
> BobC
> 
> http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier
> http://trundlebox.iuma.com
> http://tinyurl.com/yuru7
> 
> 


-- 
     /t

http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar


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You wrote,

>It actually used to immediately overdub after closing the loop and I
changed it last week to be more "DL- >4 like".  I was considering making
it a preference (a checkbox or something) and I definitely will 
>soon....

Or, still better, if it's within your own design specification, give us
two buttons (a la DL4).
As you mentioned below that you do not own a hardware looper yourself,
may I just describe the transport buttons of the few hardware loopers I
own/have owned:

Headrush: two buttons, one for start/stop, one for record.
State		stopped	stopped/empty loop	playing	recording
overdubbing
Start/stop	start loop		(nothing)		stop
loop	close/play loop	end overdub
Record	overdub loop	record loop		overdub	close/ovrdub
end overdub

DL4: three buttons - start/stop, record, play once
State		stopped	stopped/empty loop	playing	recording
overdubbing
Start/stop	start loop		(nothing)		stop
loop	close/play loop	end overdub
Play 1	play once		(nothing)	  restart/play1
close/play once	end overdub/play once
Record	overdub loop	record loop		overdub	close/ovrdub
end overdub

Repeater: three buttons - start, stop, record
State		stopped	stopped/empty loop	playing	recording
overdubbing
Stop		(nothing)		(nothing)		stop
loop	close/stop loop	stop loop
Play		play			(nothing)	      restart
close/play		end overdub
Record	overdub loop	record loop		overdub	close/play
end overdub

The fact that the Repeater can't go from record to overdub is imho one
of its greatest shortcomings. Otherwise, I like the interface.

Just worth mentioning: your implementation of the reverse function is
outstanding! This is something I always longed for.

> right now my priority is a Mac version - which is almost done except
for a bug with the tempo light.

Why bother? The Mac people got Augustus ;)

>True, it is a pity about losing the loop with tempo change, but I am
unfamiliar with time stretching
>methods...except that it seems like you need a fairly complex algorithm
to do it with any quality - the
>default time stretching in Pro Tools kills me.  For the near future I
plan on being able to double or cut
>in half the tempo...and "trigger" the loop from the beginning.

Well, it needn't be this high-end. I've come to live with the Repeater's
time stretch algorithm.
Apart from that (and the fact that implementing an entire pitch
shift/time stretch algo is rather a big task indeed) two ideas I have
for this issue.

1) Would it be possible to implement a kind of "varispeed" function? I
assume this is a bit tricky, as you may not be able to change the
sampling rate in the VST domain, so you'd have to skip or double
(interpolate) samples. Still, this might be not too hard if you do not
care to implement an intelligent algorithm for this.

2) With 1) in place, would it be possible to send values (in cents or
something) to another VST plugin doing pitch shift in series with the
Llama?

So what I think is:
A Llama and, say, a Waves Shifter in series. You record your loop at
120bpm, then change to 180bpm. Now, the Llama does not send every third
sample (but still keeps it in memory) and sends a value of 700 cents to
the Shifter as its parameter for pitch shift.

Actually, while I know how the Repeater reacts to tempo changes (by time
stretching exclusively, it can't be set to do varispeed just like the
way when it's not locked to MIDI clock and you give him the varispeed CC
signal), and how the digitech RDS2001 reacts to tempo changes (it
actually doesn't have a tappable tempo, but by adjusting the loop
length, you get varispeed effects). Have to check how the Eclipse and
the Vortex do it...

Thanks again for your time and effort!

	Rainer

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...i say, if you have the toy in the house, why emulate it...just use it.
that said, i did recently read something about a vst plugin that is part of
the nokia development kit (free, but some back and forth confirmation emails
are required apparantly) that models the tiny speakers in cell phones (so
you can hear your ringtone as it would sound on a real phone).

deknow

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The most significant difference between the 3.6 and 7.6 is the delay time.  There were two or three different face plate versions of the  various Time Machines, but as I recall the 3.6 was from the first generation with the big DOD knobs and the black face plate and push buttons to slect the delay time range.  

They both do infinite hold (as do all the RDS series), either from your common short-to-ground footswitch, or from the front panel.  As I recall, you can control bypass and hold from footswitches, which would give you the same functionality as the PDS pedals.  

TravisH

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Hi i'm new to this list so i don't know if this has been discussed.  I"m 
just curious if this machine has the same infinite repeat (loop) capablities 
that the rds 7.6 has....and what kind of footswitch setup you can use to 
make the rds "like" the pds pedals (i'm familiar with those).  anyway any 
information about this model would be great.

thanks.


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Nah, the Edirol.  I actually have the Maratz CD recorder  and it
really rocks -- there are a lot of advantages to it, one being that if
I have 2.5 minutes between discs to finalize the CD I can actually
have a master before the end of the show...

but the Edirol is really little.  There's a huge advantage in my mind
to something that I can just throw in my bag with perhaps a few one
gig memory carts.  if I need more memory I can just bring a laptop and
transfer one card to it.

BUT it doesn't take digital in... which is a serious drag since I get
digital out from my board in most cases and I hate having to set more
levels.


On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:19:46 -0700, Krispen Hartung
<info@krispenhartung.com> wrote:
> The Maranz PMD570? The specs say it has one digital input...
> 
> Inputs
> 
> 2 x XLR Female, Balanced
> 2 x RCA Phono(L, R), Unbalanced
> 1 x SPDIF Coaxial Digital In
> Computer I/O Port
> RS232C Port
> 
> Output
> 
> 2 x RCA Phono(L,R), Unbalanced
> 1 x SPDIF Coaxial Digital Out
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:04 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> 
> Subject: Re: 2-Channel Stereo Recording from the Soundboard
> 
> what a terrible drag that it doesn't accept digital ins!
> 
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:07:15 EST, Aptrev@aol.com <Aptrev@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 1/26/05 8:57:20 PM, info@krispenhartung.com writes:
> >
> > << It records on a flash disk, directly to wav or MP3 format. I could
> > transfer the files directly to my PC >>
> >
> >
> > This looks interesting too:
> >
> > http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html
> >
> > BobC
> >
> > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier
> > http://trundlebox.iuma.com
> > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7
> >
> >
> 
> --
>      /t
> 
> http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar
> 
> 


-- 
     /t

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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:15:38 +0100, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill 
> >True, it is a pity about losing the loop with tempo change, but I am
> > unfamiliar with time stretching
> >methods...except that it seems like you need a fairly complex algorithm
> >to do it with any quality - the
> >default time stretching in Pro Tools kills me.  For the near future I
> >plan on being able to double or cut
> >in half the tempo...and "trigger" the loop from the beginning.
> 
> Well, it needn't be this high-end. I've come to live with the Repeater's
> time stretch algorithm.

The Repeater's time stretching algorithm is pretty damned amazing
considering you can change the stretch in real-time and it changes
smoothly with minimal artefacts.

I've heard a lot worse than this before!

-- 
     /t

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I wondered that if one wishes to replicate a "cheap", tinny, distorted sound
filter, why not use really cheap components to make it sound tinny, and
distort it.

Case in point: There were these little cheap modules back in the late 70s
that would plug right onto your guitar (and the cord into that, if not
another cheap module), with bright colors and names like "Orange Screamer"
and so forth.  Very few electronics inside with the 9v battery, on-off
toggle switch outside.  I believe the Orange Screamer was a treble-booster,
the other one I had was a fuzz/distortion effect.

One might wonder that, if the electronics are so simple they're going to be
cheap, as well as fairly easy to assemble.  I found some projects like this
on the following sites:

The "Hornet" fuzz box
http://www.web-ee.com/Schematics/Hornet/hornet.jpg

A "Mini-booster" circuit
http://www.muzique.com/amz/mini.htm

Also if anyone remembers those little effects (sort of) units I'd be
curious..!



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| ...i say, if you have the toy in the house, why emulate it...just use it.
| that said, i did recently read something about a vst plugin that is part
of
| the nokia development kit (free, but some back and forth confirmation
emails
| are required apparantly) that models the tiny speakers in cell phones (so
| you can hear your ringtone as it would sound on a real phone).
|
| deknow
|
|
|
|
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I remember them.  Played in a band with a guitar player who had the 
compressor.  It was called the 'Orange Squeezer'.  It went with his 
Orange half stack very nicely :-)

The greatest example of this I remember was when I saw DEVO doing 
'Satisfaction' and the guy had an EH Memory Man duct taped to his guitar.

Dennis

Stephen Goodman wrote:

>Case in point: There were these little cheap modules back in the late 70s
>that would plug right onto your guitar (and the cord into that, if not
>another cheap module), with bright colors and names like "Orange Screamer"
>and so forth.  Very few electronics inside with the 9v battery, on-off
>toggle switch outside.  I believe the Orange Screamer was a treble-booster,
>the other one I had was a fuzz/distortion effect.
>
>One might wonder that, if the electronics are so simple they're going to be
>cheap, as well as fairly easy to assemble.  I found some projects like this
>on the following sites:
>
>The "Hornet" fuzz box
>http://www.web-ee.com/Schematics/Hornet/hornet.jpg
>
>A "Mini-booster" circuit
>http://www.muzique.com/amz/mini.htm
>
>Also if anyone remembers those little effects (sort of) units I'd be
>curious..!
>
>  
>

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Thanks for the lead. I tried the bit reduction on my Bitrman and it was the
only boring part of that fine little FX box... when turning up that
parameter, it went from normal directly to "kak..kak...kkkkk" without that
great middle ground that I lust after. Alex had a great idea about
combining *competent* bit reduction with a "telephone" bandpass. As soon as
I get a multiFX worthy of the name, I'll give it a shot.
~Tim 


> [Original Message]
> From: Michael Firman <maf@mlswebworks.com>
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> Date: 1/27/2005 1:21:02 PM
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>
>
> I think there are several decimator (they drop bits)  plug-ins that can 
> approach this.
> I'd have to check but I thought that the Pluggo set had one.
> As far as hardware is concerned, although I haven't tried it, from the 
> descriptions it
> sounds like the Frostwave Sonic Alienator might do it.
>
> On Jan 27, 2005, at 11:57 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> > Howdy, Noisemakers!
> > The other day my daughter was recording herself (and snippets of TV 
> > audio) with her little lo-res hand-held sampling toy, which allows her 
> > to record about 4 seconds of whatever the built-in mic can pick up and 
> > then play it back in charmingly mangled low fidelity. Part of this 
> > must be the low resolution of the toy-grade digital circuitry, and a 
> > some of it may be from the 2-inch speaker (and the not-exactly-Class-A 
> > amplifier circuit).
> > The question is this:
> > Is there anything on the market that can cop the sound of a toy 
> > sampler? Anything that can sonically degrade our instruments in a 
> > similar way? It's an entertaining texture and I am beginning to hunger 
> > for it (bwa-ha-ha-ha-hahaaa!!)
> > ~Tim Mungenast
> > www.cdbaby.com/mungenast
> > www.mungenast.com
> >
> >
> --
> | Michael A. Firman
> | maf@mlswebworks.com
> | http://www.mlswebworks.com
>



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So the Bitrman has started go up already? I'm glad I snagged mine cheap when I did, but it looks like getting a cheap backup is out of the question now ;-)  And with ModFx units, a backup is advisable. 
Intitial experiments with the bit reduction were nowhere near as much fun as I'd expected, but the Bitrman is SUCH A DEEP LITTLE BOX that there may be a setting just waiting for me to discover it... a setting that will do the "toy sampler" trick.
Or not. I may just have to keep looking ;-)
~Tim


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You can't get the bitrman from Musician's friend anymore,and thy've gotten quite expensive on ebay
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>So the Bitrman has started go up already? I'm glad I snagged mine cheap when I did, but it looks like getting a cheap backup is out of the question now ;-)&nbsp; And with ModFx units, a backup is advisable. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Intitial experiments with the bit reduction were nowhere near as much fun as I'd expected, but the Bitrman is SUCH A DEEP LITTLE BOX that there may be a setting just waiting for me to discover it... a setting that will do the "toy sampler" trick.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Or not. I may just have to keep looking ;-)</FONT></DIV>
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"why emulate it...just use it."

Well, I did just that last year by adapting a toy circuit to stompbox use,
and in the words of Robert Quine "it makes the most offensive noise!" It's
like the pitch-to-voltage synth in that old Adrian Belew instructional
video. Choas in a box, and I've not heard anybody come close to it's
Chewbaccaesque vocoder-through-ringmod antics. No, a vocoder and a ringmod
still wouldn't be as effed up as this thing. But it wasn't easy. I came up
with the idea, but a friend at Lexicon did the real brain work of adapting
the circuit to guitar, and it still needs to be hit very hard with a big
compressed signal to overcome the gate which is built into the chip, but
that's part of the charm. 

Am I ready to go down that road again, adapting a toy to guitar use?
hmmmmmm.......the Nokia info is loking more and more intriguing...

~Tim


> [Original Message]
> From: Dean Stiglitz <deknow@netzero.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: 1/27/2005 7:32:55 PM
> Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>
> ...i say, if you have the toy in the house, why emulate it...just use it.
> that said, i did recently read something about a vst plugin that is part
of
> the nokia development kit (free, but some back and forth confirmation
emails
> are required apparantly) that models the tiny speakers in cell phones (so
> you can hear your ringtone as it would sound on a real phone).
>
> deknow
>



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you mean the '70s Dan Armstrong series of effects, extremely collectible.
Jeff Baxter swore by the Orange Squeezer compressor. There were not many
components, but they were made by Musictronics to a high standard (beware
the later reproductions from the early 90s... they suck!). Zappa liked one
of these modules (the Green Ringer) so much that he had the circuit built
into his SG.

Thanks for the links... I'll check 'em out.
~T

> [Original Message]
> From: Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>
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> Date: 1/27/2005 8:15:10 PM
> Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>
> I wondered that if one wishes to replicate a "cheap", tinny, distorted
sound
> filter, why not use really cheap components to make it sound tinny, and
> distort it.
>
> Case in point: There were these little cheap modules back in the late 70s
> that would plug right onto your guitar (and the cord into that, if not
> another cheap module), with bright colors and names like "Orange Screamer"
> and so forth.  Very few electronics inside with the 9v battery, on-off
> toggle switch outside.  I believe the Orange Screamer was a
treble-booster,
> the other one I had was a fuzz/distortion effect.
>
> One might wonder that, if the electronics are so simple they're going to
be
> cheap, as well as fairly easy to assemble.  I found some projects like
this
> on the following sites:
>
> The "Hornet" fuzz box
> http://www.web-ee.com/Schematics/Hornet/hornet.jpg
>
> A "Mini-booster" circuit
> http://www.muzique.com/amz/mini.htm
>
> Also if anyone remembers those little effects (sort of) units I'd be
> curious..!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dean Stiglitz" <deknow@netzero.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 00:30 AM
> Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>
>
> | ...i say, if you have the toy in the house, why emulate it...just use
it.
> | that said, i did recently read something about a vst plugin that is part
> of
> | the nokia development kit (free, but some back and forth confirmation
> emails
> | are required apparantly) that models the tiny speakers in cell phones
(so
> | you can hear your ringtone as it would sound on a real phone).
> |
> | deknow
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>



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Hello -

I'm interested in buying a Digitech PDS3000 Pedalverb. Any condition 
will do...

Please contact me off the list

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     Two questions for you Luis,

     First of all, do these "bugs" exist when you use the front panel?  

     Second, do they exist when you use a different MIDI controller?

     If the answer to both is no, then the bugs are not in the Repeater.

     If the answer to the second one is yes, then it *might* be a MIDI bug.  In which case I have
yet to hear of any complaints like these specifically (other than Zoe just now) so you might
consider making these known to the up and coming Electrix gang.  We have an ongoing wish list at
the Repeater-Users Yahoo group and it would be good to post it there especially as the Electrix
gang does monitor what goes on there.

     The FCB1010, though built like a tank and relatively high quality, is woefully short on
intelligible instructions.  It could be that you have left over MIDI messages (from the factory
presets) being sent along with whatever you programmed into it.

              Stephen





Hi Gang,
is there a list of the bugs on this units
somewhere?sorry for the rerepeatitionf there is one, i
want to compare them with all of you users because i
have one of the older units (although ivivepgraded to
the latest o.s.),and further adadresshem to elelectrix
Here is what iviveound so far and yes i am using the
FCFCB10 to trigger all of the midi functions:
-Pitch chance on turning the unit on
-stereo tracks activated sometimes when just choosing
a single track
-after turning the unit on for the first time
play/stop cocomandodoesntespond until a second press
-dry ununmuteds default(oh,well)
-popopclickt the end of a close loop sometimes
-in muting a track sometimes it will be chosen as the
audible one while muting the rest (a nice bug)
dodonte afraid to add to the list!
cheers
Luis


		
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>It actually used to immediately overdub after closing the loop and I
>changed it last week to be more "DL-4 like".  I was considering making it
>a preference (a checkbox or something) and I definitely will soon....

The DL-4 will go directly into overdub, depending on which button you use 
to end the recording.

If I remember right
Record>>Play = no o/d
Record>>Record = straight into o/d

The EDP does it this way
Record>>Record = no o/d
Record>>Overdub = straight into o/d

Neither of them has a tap time control, the time being defined
by the recording itself.
(well, actually the EDP also adds some other possibilities)

andy butler


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>>I'm curious as to what stereo digital recording units others are using to=
 record their live performance off the soundboard. I'm currently using a So=
ny Minidisk MZ-R70[snip] I'm thinking of a DAT recorder, like the Panasonic=
 SV-3700 or SV-3800.<<

kris- forget about DAT. it sucks. don't get me wrong- they sound great when=
 they're behaving themselves, but for reliability, especially on the move..=
.. you're better off with the MD. if you can get hold of the blank media fo=
r them (which we in the UK have had to wait for until this week), there's a=
 version of MD that can record 90 minutes uncompressed onto a 1Gb blank. it=
 eats batteries though.

otherwise- if you can afford a DAT portable, chances are you could stretch =
to a reasonably portable CD recorder. I have a denon 1/2 width (midi hifi) =
unit that's served well in the rehearsal room. there's a "proper" pro porta=
ble machine by HHB for about =A3800 & I think marantz do a couple in this s=
ort of price-range.

just my 2c worth.=20
oh, & if you use the line input of the sony, I'm pretty sure it's a fixed l=
evel rather than the agc that you get on the mic inputs. I may be wrong....=
 I have made albums from MD recordings too- they're pretty good at not reco=
rding the background noises, as atrac compression works by exploiting some =
psycho-acoustic effect that's the same as what y'r hearing does. so an albu=
m you know very well will sound weird on an MD- remixed, almost- but a live=
 recording sounds like what you remember, with all the bar-noise & chair-sc=
raping magically absent.

duncan.=20


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;I'm curious as to what stereo digital recording u=
nits others are using to record their live performance off the soundboard. =
I'm currently using a Sony Minidisk MZ-R70[snip] I'm thinking of a DAT reco=
rder, like the Panasonic SV-3700 or SV-3800.&lt;&lt;</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>kris- forget about DAT. it sucks. don't get me wrong- the=
y sound great when they're behaving themselves, but for reliability, especi=
ally on the move.... you're better off with the MD. if you can get hold of =
the blank media for them (which we in the UK have had to wait for until thi=
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>otherwise- if you can afford a DAT portable, chances are =
you could stretch to a reasonably portable CD recorder. I have a denon 1/2 =
width (midi hifi) unit that's served well in the rehearsal room. there's a =
&quot;proper&quot; pro portable machine by HHB for about =A3800 &amp; I thi=
nk marantz do a couple in this sort of price-range.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>just my 2c worth. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>oh, &amp; if you use the line input of the sony, I'm pre=
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>duncan. </FONT>
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>> >> Is that pre-existing repeater loops, or have you been able to 
load audio files in somehow?

Yes - pre-existing Repeater loops only - sorry if I didn't make that clear.<<

ah.... I posted on this a while back. I think so long as your computer loops are the same length as the ones that the repeater "knows about" (the little file in the folder, next to the wavs) then you can do what you want. I have, anyway.

so you could just record some garbage on the repeater (all four tracks) &, so long as it was the same length as the stuff you wanted to import from protools or soundforge or w.h.y., you should be fine. I put stuff in from vegas & it worked.

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Greetings all...

If you are in or around the Louisville metro area, I will be
performing at the Art Sanctuary "Art Soiree" event on Saturday,
February 5th starting at 8:00pm at The Adorno Studio.

The arsenal includes two 10-string Chapman Sticks (one MIDI), the gear
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I will be playing two one-hour sets, the second set of which I will be
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Hope to see you there and definitely stop by and say hello if you do. 

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The obvious reason to emulate, in my humble opinion, is so you can save 
state as part of a global preset for your rig (assuming you use a 
master controller of some kind like a MIDI pedal) and also avoid 
another failure point.

I'm big on the one-button total-recall thing.

-Alex S.

On Jan 27, 2005, at 7:31 PM, Timothy Mungenast wrote:

> "why emulate it...just use it."
>
> Well, I did just that last year by adapting a toy circuit to stompbox 
> use,
> and in the words of Robert Quine "it makes the most offensive noise!" 
> It's
> like the pitch-to-voltage synth in that old Adrian Belew instructional
> video. Choas in a box, and I've not heard anybody come close to it's
> Chewbaccaesque vocoder-through-ringmod antics. No, a vocoder and a 
> ringmod
> still wouldn't be as effed up as this thing. But it wasn't easy. I 
> came up
> with the idea, but a friend at Lexicon did the real brain work of 
> adapting
> the circuit to guitar, and it still needs to be hit very hard with a 
> big
> compressed signal to overcome the gate which is built into the chip, 
> but
> that's part of the charm.
>
> Am I ready to go down that road again, adapting a toy to guitar use?
> hmmmmmm.......the Nokia info is loking more and more intriguing...
>
> ~Tim
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Dean Stiglitz <deknow@netzero.com>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Date: 1/27/2005 7:32:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>>
>> ...i say, if you have the toy in the house, why emulate it...just use 
>> it.
>> that said, i did recently read something about a vst plugin that is 
>> part
> of
>> the nokia development kit (free, but some back and forth confirmation
> emails
>> are required apparantly) that models the tiny speakers in cell phones 
>> (so
>> you can hear your ringtone as it would sound on a real phone).
>>
>> deknow
>>
>
>
>

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one-button access sounds good to me! 


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The obvious reason to emulate, in my humble opinion, is so you can save 
state as part of a global preset for your rig (assuming you use a 
master controller of some kind like a MIDI pedal) and also avoid 
another failure point.

I'm big on the one-button total-recall thing.

-Alex S.

On Jan 27, 2005, at 7:31 PM, Timothy Mungenast wrote:

> "why emulate it...just use it."
>
> Well, I did just that last year by adapting a toy circuit to stompbox 
> use,
> and in the words of Robert Quine "it makes the most offensive noise!" 
> It's
> like the pitch-to-voltage synth in that old Adrian Belew instructional
> video. Choas in a box, and I've not heard anybody come close to it's
> Chewbaccaesque vocoder-through-ringmod antics. No, a vocoder and a 
> ringmod
> still wouldn't be as effed up as this thing. But it wasn't easy. I 
> came up
> with the idea, but a friend at Lexicon did the real brain work of 
> adapting
> the circuit to guitar, and it still needs to be hit very hard with a 
> big
> compressed signal to overcome the gate which is built into the chip, 
> but
> that's part of the charm.
>
> Am I ready to go down that road again, adapting a toy to guitar use?
> hmmmmmm.......the Nokia info is loking more and more intriguing...
>
> ~Tim
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Dean Stiglitz <deknow@netzero.com>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Date: 1/27/2005 7:32:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>>
>> ...i say, if you have the toy in the house, why emulate it...just use 
>> it.
>> that said, i did recently read something about a vst plugin that is 
>> part
> of
>> the nokia development kit (free, but some back and forth confirmation
> emails
>> are required apparantly) that models the tiny speakers in cell phones 
>> (so
>> you can hear your ringtone as it would sound on a real phone).
>>
>> deknow
>>
>
>
>


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WOOPS.  Sorry.  Moving.  Brain dead.  I'm not sure
what I was confusing but I did mean the VF-1.  I loved
mine so much I bought another!  I use one dedicated to
my guitar and another dedicated to my Access Virus C.

Mark

--- mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:

> Thanks for the tip. Ineko is on my to-buy list, but
> I hadn't heard of the VF50... how does it compare
> with that red half-rack Boss multifx (FS-1?) that
> Krispen has?  
> ~Tim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark sottilaro <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Jan 27, 2005 11:09 PM
> To: mungenast@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
> 
> I've heard that the Alesis Inkio (sp?) has a cool
> decimator effect.  If it's like the AirFX's
> decimator
> it's pretty cool, sounds like an ultra low bit rate
> effect.  Also, the BOSS VF50 has some great grunge
> effects for such things.  You can get one on ebay
> for
> about $200 and they have a slew of cool midi
> syncable
> effects.
> 
> Mark
> 
> --- Timothy Mungenast <mungenast@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > you mean the '70s Dan Armstrong series of effects,
> > extremely collectible.
> > Jeff Baxter swore by the Orange Squeezer
> compressor.
> > There were not many
> > components, but they were made by Musictronics to
> a
> > high standard (beware
> > the later reproductions from the early 90s... they
> > suck!). Zappa liked one
> > of these modules (the Green Ringer) so much that
> he
> > had the circuit built
> > into his SG.
> > 
> > Thanks for the links... I'll check 'em out.
> > ~T
> > 
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>
> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > > Date: 1/27/2005 8:15:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
> > >
> > > I wondered that if one wishes to replicate a
> > "cheap", tinny, distorted
> > sound
> > > filter, why not use really cheap components to
> > make it sound tinny, and
> > > distort it.
> > >
> > > Case in point: There were these little cheap
> > modules back in the late 70s
> > > that would plug right onto your guitar (and the
> > cord into that, if not
> > > another cheap module), with bright colors and
> > names like "Orange Screamer"
> > > and so forth.  Very few electronics inside with
> > the 9v battery, on-off
> > > toggle switch outside.  I believe the Orange
> > Screamer was a
> > treble-booster,
> > > the other one I had was a fuzz/distortion
> effect.
> > >
> > > One might wonder that, if the electronics are so
> > simple they're going to
> > be
> > > cheap, as well as fairly easy to assemble.  I
> > found some projects like
> > this
> > > on the following sites:
> > >
> > > The "Hornet" fuzz box
> > >
> http://www.web-ee.com/Schematics/Hornet/hornet.jpg
> > >
> > > A "Mini-booster" circuit
> > > http://www.muzique.com/amz/mini.htm
> > >
> > > Also if anyone remembers those little effects
> > (sort of) units I'd be
> > > curious..!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Dean Stiglitz" <deknow@netzero.com>
> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 00:30 AM
> > > Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
> > >
> > >
> > > | ...i say, if you have the toy in the house,
> why
> > emulate it...just use
> > it.
> > > | that said, i did recently read something about
> a
> > vst plugin that is part
> > > of
> > > | the nokia development kit (free, but some back
> > and forth confirmation
> > > emails
> > > | are required apparantly) that models the tiny
> > speakers in cell phones
> > (so
> > > | you can hear your ringtone as it would sound
> on
> > a real phone).
> > > |
> > > | deknow
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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Great units the VF-1 for some reason Boss had problems getting it to be a
seller maybe the half rack factor was an issue (easier if it had been full
rack) or that people didn't understand what it was or how it fit into the
lineup. I looked at one in Sam Ash and the people there didn't know squat
about it and didn't want to set it up so, I could try it (maybe didn't know
how?) as it was already in demo rack? I bought one much later on second hand
now they are now out of production? Talk about bad marketing for a great
unit?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:59 PM
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toy

WOOPS.  Sorry.  Moving.  Brain dead.  I'm not sure what I was confusing but
I did mean the VF-1.  I loved mine so much I bought another!  I use one
dedicated to my guitar and another dedicated to my Access Virus C.

Mark

--- mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:

> Thanks for the tip. Ineko is on my to-buy list, but I hadn't heard of 
> the VF50... how does it compare with that red half-rack Boss multifx 
> (FS-1?) that Krispen has?
> ~Tim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark sottilaro <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Jan 27, 2005 11:09 PM
> To: mungenast@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
> 
> I've heard that the Alesis Inkio (sp?) has a cool decimator effect.  
> If it's like the AirFX's decimator it's pretty cool, sounds like an 
> ultra low bit rate effect.  Also, the BOSS VF50 has some great grunge 
> effects for such things.  You can get one on ebay for about $200 and 
> they have a slew of cool midi syncable effects.
> 
> Mark
> 
> --- Timothy Mungenast <mungenast@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > you mean the '70s Dan Armstrong series of effects, extremely 
> > collectible.
> > Jeff Baxter swore by the Orange Squeezer
> compressor.
> > There were not many
> > components, but they were made by Musictronics to
> a
> > high standard (beware
> > the later reproductions from the early 90s... they suck!). Zappa 
> > liked one of these modules (the Green Ringer) so much that
> he
> > had the circuit built
> > into his SG.
> > 
> > Thanks for the links... I'll check 'em out.
> > ~T
> > 
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>
> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > > Date: 1/27/2005 8:15:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
> > >
> > > I wondered that if one wishes to replicate a
> > "cheap", tinny, distorted
> > sound
> > > filter, why not use really cheap components to
> > make it sound tinny, and
> > > distort it.
> > >
> > > Case in point: There were these little cheap
> > modules back in the late 70s
> > > that would plug right onto your guitar (and the
> > cord into that, if not
> > > another cheap module), with bright colors and
> > names like "Orange Screamer"
> > > and so forth.  Very few electronics inside with
> > the 9v battery, on-off
> > > toggle switch outside.  I believe the Orange
> > Screamer was a
> > treble-booster,
> > > the other one I had was a fuzz/distortion
> effect.
> > >
> > > One might wonder that, if the electronics are so
> > simple they're going to
> > be
> > > cheap, as well as fairly easy to assemble.  I
> > found some projects like
> > this
> > > on the following sites:
> > >
> > > The "Hornet" fuzz box
> > >
> http://www.web-ee.com/Schematics/Hornet/hornet.jpg
> > >
> > > A "Mini-booster" circuit
> > > http://www.muzique.com/amz/mini.htm
> > >
> > > Also if anyone remembers those little effects
> > (sort of) units I'd be
> > > curious..!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dean Stiglitz" <deknow@netzero.com>
> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 00:30 AM
> > > Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
> > >
> > >
> > > | ...i say, if you have the toy in the house,
> why
> > emulate it...just use
> > it.
> > > | that said, i did recently read something about
> a
> > vst plugin that is part
> > > of
> > > | the nokia development kit (free, but some back
> > and forth confirmation
> > > emails
> > > | are required apparantly) that models the tiny
> > speakers in cell phones
> > (so
> > > | you can hear your ringtone as it would sound
> on
> > a real phone).
> > > |
> > > | deknow
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 


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oops...I just asked the going rate a few minutes ago and realized that your earlier e-mail told me the going rate... $200... gotta start saving my nickels.

-----Original Message-----
From: mark sottilaro <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Jan 28, 2005 12:58 PM
To: mungenast@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: VF50 vs the red Boss half rack Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy

WOOPS.  Sorry.  Moving.  Brain dead.  I'm not sure
what I was confusing but I did mean the VF-1.  I loved
mine so much I bought another!  I use one dedicated to
my guitar and another dedicated to my Access Virus C.

Mark

--- mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:

> Thanks for the tip. Ineko is on my to-buy list, but
> I hadn't heard of the VF50... how does it compare
> with that red half-rack Boss multifx (FS-1?) that
> Krispen has?  
> ~Tim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark sottilaro <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Jan 27, 2005 11:09 PM
> To: mungenast@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
> 
> I've heard that the Alesis Inkio (sp?) has a cool
> decimator effect.  If it's like the AirFX's
> decimator
> it's pretty cool, sounds like an ultra low bit rate
> effect.  Also, the BOSS VF50 has some great grunge
> effects for such things.  You can get one on ebay
> for
> about $200 and they have a slew of cool midi
> syncable
> effects.
> 
> Mark
> 
> --- Timothy Mungenast <mungenast@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > you mean the '70s Dan Armstrong series of effects,
> > extremely collectible.
> > Jeff Baxter swore by the Orange Squeezer
> compressor.
> > There were not many
> > components, but they were made by Musictronics to
> a
> > high standard (beware
> > the later reproductions from the early 90s... they
> > suck!). Zappa liked one
> > of these modules (the Green Ringer) so much that
> he
> > had the circuit built
> > into his SG.
> > 
> > Thanks for the links... I'll check 'em out.
> > ~T
> > 
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>
> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > > Date: 1/27/2005 8:15:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
> > >
> > > I wondered that if one wishes to replicate a
> > "cheap", tinny, distorted
> > sound
> > > filter, why not use really cheap components to
> > make it sound tinny, and
> > > distort it.
> > >
> > > Case in point: There were these little cheap
> > modules back in the late 70s
> > > that would plug right onto your guitar (and the
> > cord into that, if not
> > > another cheap module), with bright colors and
> > names like "Orange Screamer"
> > > and so forth.  Very few electronics inside with
> > the 9v battery, on-off
> > > toggle switch outside.  I believe the Orange
> > Screamer was a
> > treble-booster,
> > > the other one I had was a fuzz/distortion
> effect.
> > >
> > > One might wonder that, if the electronics are so
> > simple they're going to
> > be
> > > cheap, as well as fairly easy to assemble.  I
> > found some projects like
> > this
> > > on the following sites:
> > >
> > > The "Hornet" fuzz box
> > >
> http://www.web-ee.com/Schematics/Hornet/hornet.jpg
> > >
> > > A "Mini-booster" circuit
> > > http://www.muzique.com/amz/mini.htm
> > >
> > > Also if anyone remembers those little effects
> > (sort of) units I'd be
> > > curious..!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Dean Stiglitz" <deknow@netzero.com>
> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 00:30 AM
> > > Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
> > >
> > >
> > > | ...i say, if you have the toy in the house,
> why
> > emulate it...just use
> > it.
> > > | that said, i did recently read something about
> a
> > vst plugin that is part
> > > of
> > > | the nokia development kit (free, but some back
> > and forth confirmation
> > > emails
> > > | are required apparantly) that models the tiny
> > speakers in cell phones
> > (so
> > > | you can hear your ringtone as it would sound
> on
> > a real phone).
> > > |
> > > | deknow
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 


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Coincidentally enough, I just bought a factory resealed VF-1 from
ZZounds a week ago (They are gone now) and love it.  Haven't had enough
time to really check it out yet but I love the lofi settings.

Has anyone noticed that samedaymusic.com and zzounds.com are nearly
identical?  The Boss was listed at Same Day Music as a B-stock and
factory resealed units.  They were out of stock but expected them in
early January.  When I was looking at Zzounds I found the same listing
for the VF-1 (b-stock and factory resealed with the same expected
delivery daye (and the same price).  After a little more hunting around
I also found several products that shared the exact same user comments
and ratings on both sites (you know, Read the Reviews, 364 people say:
8.6 out of 10).  And the day after I ordered my VF-1 they were listed as
discontinued on both sites.  Odd.

But the VF-1 is a great little box to be sure.

Kevin


> Great units the VF-1 for some reason Boss had problems getting it to be a
> seller maybe the half rack factor was an issue (easier if it had been full
> rack) or that people didn't understand what it was or how it fit into the
> lineup. I looked at one in Sam Ash and the people there didn't know squat
> about it and didn't want to set it up so, I could try it (maybe didn't
know
> how?) as it was already in demo rack? I bought one much later on
second hand
> now they are now out of production? Talk about bad marketing for a great
> unit?
> 

How amazing, how amazing!
Hard to comprehend that
Nonsentient beings expound Dharma.
It simply cannot be heard with the ear,
But when sound is heard with the eye,
Then it is understood.
- Tung-shan (807-869)

Sound and Vision:    http://www.minds-eye.org

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I'll definitely vouch for the VF-1....great little unit...and RED!   On
the topic of the cheap sampling toy emulation, the VF-1 has an effect
called LoFi Processor...makes your instrument sound like its coming out
of a cheap AM transisor radio or gramaphone.  I haven't seen the Alesis
Aniko, but I have the big brother rack unit the Akira, and it has, as
mentioned below the Decimator which reduces the digital resolution and
"creates unique lo-fi distortion."  Then it has another effect called
Record Noise, which does exactly that...sound like your instrument is
playing off of a stratchy record.

If you're interested, I could make some samples of these three patches
and post them on my web site this weekend.

Kris




-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:26 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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sampling toy


Great units the VF-1 for some reason Boss had problems getting it to be
a seller maybe the half rack factor was an issue (easier if it had been
full
rack) or that people didn't understand what it was or how it fit into
the lineup. I looked at one in Sam Ash and the people there didn't know
squat about it and didn't want to set it up so, I could try it (maybe
didn't know
how?) as it was already in demo rack? I bought one much later on second
hand now they are now out of production? Talk about bad marketing for a
great unit?

-----Original Message-----
From: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:59 PM
To: mungenast@earthlink.net; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: VF50 vs the red Boss half rack Re: emulating a cheap
sampling toy

WOOPS.  Sorry.  Moving.  Brain dead.  I'm not sure what I was confusing
but I did mean the VF-1.  I loved mine so much I bought another!  I use
one dedicated to my guitar and another dedicated to my Access Virus C.

Mark

--- mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:

> Thanks for the tip. Ineko is on my to-buy list, but I hadn't heard of
> the VF50... how does it compare with that red half-rack Boss multifx 
> (FS-1?) that Krispen has?
> ~Tim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark sottilaro <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Jan 27, 2005 11:09 PM
> To: mungenast@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
> 
> I've heard that the Alesis Inkio (sp?) has a cool decimator effect.
> If it's like the AirFX's decimator it's pretty cool, sounds like an 
> ultra low bit rate effect.  Also, the BOSS VF50 has some great grunge 
> effects for such things.  You can get one on ebay for about $200 and 
> they have a slew of cool midi syncable effects.
> 
> Mark
> 
> --- Timothy Mungenast <mungenast@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > you mean the '70s Dan Armstrong series of effects, extremely
> > collectible.
> > Jeff Baxter swore by the Orange Squeezer
> compressor.
> > There were not many
> > components, but they were made by Musictronics to
> a
> > high standard (beware
> > the later reproductions from the early 90s... they suck!). Zappa
> > liked one of these modules (the Green Ringer) so much that
> he
> > had the circuit built
> > into his SG.
> > 
> > Thanks for the links... I'll check 'em out.
> > ~T
> > 
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>
> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > > Date: 1/27/2005 8:15:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
> > >
> > > I wondered that if one wishes to replicate a
> > "cheap", tinny, distorted
> > sound
> > > filter, why not use really cheap components to
> > make it sound tinny, and
> > > distort it.
> > >
> > > Case in point: There were these little cheap
> > modules back in the late 70s
> > > that would plug right onto your guitar (and the
> > cord into that, if not
> > > another cheap module), with bright colors and
> > names like "Orange Screamer"
> > > and so forth.  Very few electronics inside with
> > the 9v battery, on-off
> > > toggle switch outside.  I believe the Orange
> > Screamer was a
> > treble-booster,
> > > the other one I had was a fuzz/distortion
> effect.
> > >
> > > One might wonder that, if the electronics are so
> > simple they're going to
> > be
> > > cheap, as well as fairly easy to assemble.  I
> > found some projects like
> > this
> > > on the following sites:
> > >
> > > The "Hornet" fuzz box
> > >
> http://www.web-ee.com/Schematics/Hornet/hornet.jpg
> > >
> > > A "Mini-booster" circuit http://www.muzique.com/amz/mini.htm
> > >
> > > Also if anyone remembers those little effects
> > (sort of) units I'd be
> > > curious..!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dean Stiglitz" <deknow@netzero.com>
> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 00:30 AM
> > > Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
> > >
> > >
> > > | ...i say, if you have the toy in the house,
> why
> > emulate it...just use
> > it.
> > > | that said, i did recently read something about
> a
> > vst plugin that is part
> > > of
> > > | the nokia development kit (free, but some back
> > and forth confirmation
> > > emails
> > > | are required apparantly) that models the tiny
> > speakers in cell phones
> > (so
> > > | you can hear your ringtone as it would sound
> on
> > a real phone).
> > > |
> > > | deknow
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 



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The only thing that bugs me about my VF-1 is that it doesn't have a MIDI
THRU, just OUT. I had to buy a MIDI splitter to make my MIDI chain work,
and I couldn't put the VF-1 at the end for reasons I won't go into.
Other than this, it is a powerful little box.  I just got another Boss
EV-5 in the mail yesterday to control it....loads of fun ahead of me! 

Kris




-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:37 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: VF1 


Coincidentally enough, I just bought a factory resealed VF-1 from
ZZounds a week ago (They are gone now) and love it.  Haven't had enough
time to really check it out yet but I love the lofi settings.

Has anyone noticed that samedaymusic.com and zzounds.com are nearly
identical?  The Boss was listed at Same Day Music as a B-stock and
factory resealed units.  They were out of stock but expected them in
early January.  When I was looking at Zzounds I found the same listing
for the VF-1 (b-stock and factory resealed with the same expected
delivery daye (and the same price).  After a little more hunting around
I also found several products that shared the exact same user comments
and ratings on both sites (you know, Read the Reviews, 364 people say:
8.6 out of 10).  And the day after I ordered my VF-1 they were listed as
discontinued on both sites.  Odd.

But the VF-1 is a great little box to be sure.

Kevin


> Great units the VF-1 for some reason Boss had problems getting it to 
> be a seller maybe the half rack factor was an issue (easier if it had 
> been full
> rack) or that people didn't understand what it was or how it fit into
the
> lineup. I looked at one in Sam Ash and the people there didn't know
squat
> about it and didn't want to set it up so, I could try it (maybe didn't
know
> how?) as it was already in demo rack? I bought one much later on
second hand
> now they are now out of production? Talk about bad marketing for a 
> great unit?
> 

How amazing, how amazing!
Hard to comprehend that
Nonsentient beings expound Dharma.
It simply cannot be heard with the ear,
But when sound is heard with the eye,
Then it is understood.
- Tung-shan (807-869)

Sound and Vision:    http://www.minds-eye.org


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Yes, I noticed that recently when I was looking for an Ibanez guitar
to turn into a modification project (nothing too eccentric, I'm not
much of a woodworker, yet). I found the model at Same Day Music and
found they had a 'best price guarantee." So I tried it, and they came
back with a very competitive price. But I was skittish after reading
some reviews of Same Day Music. And then I checked Zzounds. First
thing I noticed was that the pages looked darn near identical. If not
for the change of logos, I'd have never been able to tell you which
one I was on. Zzounds also had a "best price guarantee". They actually
came in $5 lower than Same Day Music on the exact same guitar. Having
dealt with Zzounds before, I had no problems ordering it from them.

Anyway, a long walk for a short drink, but, yeah, I've noticed that too.

Cheers,

Jon Southwood


On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:37:05 -0700, Kevin Cheli-Colando
<kevin@minds-eye.org> wrote:

> Has anyone noticed that samedaymusic.com and zzounds.com are nearly
> identical?  The Boss was listed at Same Day Music as a B-stock and

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> Other than this, it is a powerful little box.  I just got another Boss
> EV-5 in the mail yesterday to control it....loads of fun ahead of me! 

So did I.  It looks like you can assign up to four parameters to the
pedal and could conceivably even divide the motion of the pedal to four
discreet ranges (0-20 turns on one effects, 21-40 turns it off, 41 -60
turns on another effect and 60+ turns it off again (or other far more
imaginative uses).  Looks like another weekend of programming patches.

Kevin


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Some of this functions i cannot trigger manually like
track muting and i unfortunately dont have another
midi foot controller but i see Zoe and i have similar
problems with it.The FCB101 on the other hand works
perfect with my EDP this is why i think it has
something to do with my repeater.But ill recheck all
of my MIDI programing and post this bugs on the yahoo
list.
Thanx for the tip!
peace
Luis




--- S V G <vsyevolod@yahoo.com> wrote:

>      Two questions for you Luis,
> 
>      First of all, do these "bugs" exist when you
> use the front panel?  
> 
>      Second, do they exist when you use a different
> MIDI controller?
> 
>      If the answer to both is no, then the bugs are
> not in the Repeater.
> 
>      If the answer to the second one is yes, then it
> *might* be a MIDI bug.  In which case I have
> yet to hear of any complaints like these
> specifically (other than Zoe just now) so you might
> consider making these known to the up and coming
> Electrix gang.  We have an ongoing wish list at
> the Repeater-Users Yahoo group and it would be good
> to post it there especially as the Electrix
> gang does monitor what goes on there.
> 
>      The FCB1010, though built like a tank and
> relatively high quality, is woefully short on
> intelligible instructions.  It could be that you
> have left over MIDI messages (from the factory
> presets) being sent along with whatever you
> programmed into it.
> 
>               Stephen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Gang,
> is there a list of the bugs on this units
> somewhere?sorry for the rerepeatitionf there is one,
> i
> want to compare them with all of you users because i
> have one of the older units (although ivivepgraded
> to
> the latest o.s.),and further adadresshem to
> elelectrix
> Here is what iviveound so far and yes i am using the
> FCFCB10 to trigger all of the midi functions:
> -Pitch chance on turning the unit on
> -stereo tracks activated sometimes when just
> choosing
> a single track
> -after turning the unit on for the first time
> play/stop cocomandodoesntespond until a second press
> -dry ununmuteds default(oh,well)
> -popopclickt the end of a close loop sometimes
> -in muting a track sometimes it will be chosen as
> the
> audible one while muting the rest (a nice bug)
> dodonte afraid to add to the list!
> cheers
> Luis
> 
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--- mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:

> Is there anything on the market that can cop the
> sound of a toy sampler? Anything that can sonically
> degrade our instruments in a similar way?

There are those who say the Boomerang does that. I
wouldn't say that, though, at least not when Klobuchar
is in earshot. :P

Me, I kinda like the lo-fi fuzziness of a hand-held
recorder (microcassette, regular cassette or "digital
voice recorder") played back through yer pickups.

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In a message dated 1/28/05 5:29:06 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


> Anything that can sonically
> > degrade our instruments in a similar way?
> 
> There are those who say the Boomerang does that. I
> wouldn't say that, though, at least not when Klobuchar
> is in earshot. :P
> 

i'll have you know that my dear sweet rang took a turn for the worst and had 
to seek some TLC down in texas.....:(.....i've been workin out on the 3.? 
looper in the MO-FX and believe you me i don't need the rang to sonically degrade 
anythang.....thank you very much!.....AND TIM, i wish to be refered to as KING 
TREMOLO from now on!.....klobuchar is so yesterday.....KT

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> --- Krispen Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com> wrote:
> > I'm curious as to what stereo digital recording
> > units others are using
> > to record their live performance off the
> soundboard.
> 
> Oddly enough, I've been meaning to ask this question
> for about two weeks now, but have been busy. In the
> meantime, I've researched several available models
> of
> used DAT decks; it seems that a lot of them are
> reaching that age where miscellaneous parts (doors,
> etc.) are failing.
> 
> It occurred to me that I could kill a couple of
> birds
> by using a digital multitrack as a 2 channel deck.
> 
> I'm considering the Fostex MR-8; do any of you have
> either glowing praise or horror stories about this
> model?
> 
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Hi Everyone,

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How very Reeves Gabrels of you (LOL)!


> [Original Message]
> From: Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: 1/28/2005 5:30:16 PM
> Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>
>
> --- mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> > Is there anything on the market that can cop the
> > sound of a toy sampler? Anything that can sonically
> > degrade our instruments in a similar way?
>
> There are those who say the Boomerang does that. I
> wouldn't say that, though, at least not when Klobuchar
> is in earshot. :P
>
> Me, I kinda like the lo-fi fuzziness of a hand-held
> recorder (microcassette, regular cassette or "digital
> voice recorder") played back through yer pickups.
>
> -t-
>
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Hi

Some of you may find this of interest. I did.


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By ANNE MIDGETTE

Published: January 28, 2005

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Reich is being honored with a couple of miniretrospectives this 
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is tomorrow; the last, on April 2), and a Composer Portrait at the 
Miller Theater (March 25), which will include a performance of one of 
his best-known works, "Drumming," by So Percussion. (A recording of 
the piece by the group will be released on March 11.)

And all of this is just a warmup for the 70th-birthday festivities. 
"New York Counterpoint: New York Celebrates Steve Reich" will involve 
some of the city's major presenting organizations: the Brooklyn 
Academy of Music, Lincoln Center and Carnegie Hall, each relying on 
its particular strengths. Dance performances by Anne Theresa De 
Keersmaeker and Akram Khan will open the Next Wave festival at the 
academy. Carnegie will offer a workshop with Mr. Reich and his 
ensemble coaching young musicians, and present the Kronos Quartet and 
other instrumentalists at Zankel Hall. Lincoln Center will focus on 
the vocal music, including "You Are (Variations)" in its first New 
York performance.

This is all very nice for Mr. Reich, and he certainly isn't one to 
dismiss his old work. But it's the new works that really have his 
attention: especially, "You Are (Variations)."

"It's a piece that I'm extremely happy with," he said, breaking into 
a chuckle of delight.

In a way, explaining his newest piece is the best answer to a 
question about retrospectives. All of Mr. Reich's work, directly or 
indirectly, grows out of the work that has come before. His present, 
you could say, is his past.

"I think Steve is the most focused composer on the planet," said 
David Lang, himself a composer and a co-founder of Bang on a Can. 
(Mr. Reich will be the composer in residence at Bang on a Can's 
summer music institute in North Adams, Mass., affectionately 
nicknamed Banglewood, in July.)

"The things he is doing now are the logical continuations of the 
ideas he started with 40 years ago, reimagined and sometimes 
startlingly recombined," Mr. Lang added. "There are abstract musical 
things he has always wanted to do, and he keeps finding new ways to 
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  There's the Zvex lo-fi looper.Haven't tried it,I prefer using genuine 
cheap toys .I do have an original Dan Armstrong orange squeezer,sounds great 
w/ a clean 335. I got a Vtech toy guitar amp at the thrift store for 2 bucks 
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Hello, 
 
I am also new here. Thank you all for lot of useful information. This
place has a good balance between technical and philosophical
topics about music based on looping. I have Boss DD 20 giga delay, and I
am content with sound but there is not undo function and stop function.
I consider to buy Boss RC20 XL loop station. Is there anybody who is
experienced in that gear. What kind of impressions?
 
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--- samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I got a Vtech toy guitar amp at the
> thrift store for 2 bucks 
> .It has a 1/4 inch in and gets a distortion sound a
> lot of rock players 
> would pay hundreds for.

I used to have an old tube open-reel recorder that I
picked up at a yard sale for 50 cents. The heads were
trashed so it would no longer record or play, but the
amp circuit still worked. It sounded exactly like a
CRANKED AC-30, only at about the volume level of a
normal conversation. I wish I still had that thing.

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http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/top20jan.html

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each 
Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and 
webcasting on
the internet.

                    Show #410                    January 27, 2005

RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Spheric Music, a 
German record
label run by Lambert Ringlage.  The Featured CD at Midnight was a 
compilation
disc, "Syntonic Waves Volume 9."

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Harmonic Ascendant" by Robert 
Schroder on IC
Records from 1979.

Spheric Music - 
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jan


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
===============================
11:00 pm
Robert Schroder         Harmonic Ascendant *     Harmonic Ascendant (IC)
Erik Norlander          New Gotham Prime         Seas of Orion (Quantum)
Ron Boots               Different Stories        Different Stories and 
Twisted
                                                   Tales (Groove)
Gregory Kyryluk         Western Passage          Ephemeral Highways (HRR)
Steve Roach             Contained Sustained      Places Beyond: The Lost 
Pieces
                                                   4 (Timeroom Editions)
Steve Roach             Light of Day             Places Beyond: The Lost 
Pieces
                                                   4 (Timeroom Editions)

12:00 am
VA [Skylander]          Strange Heart            Syntonic Waves Vol. 9 
(Spheric)
VA [startle b]          Hold Your Head High      Syntonic Waves Vol. 9 
(Spheric)
VA [Miroslaw Mirocha]   Nachdenken               Syntonic Waves Vol. 9 
(Spheric)
VA [Joh and Marvin]     Bedrock                  Syntonic Waves Vol. 9 
(Spheric)
VA [Christian Zander]   Sinusrhythmus v1.0       Syntonic Waves Vol. 9 
(Spheric)
VA [Descon Mission]     Memories                 Syntonic Waves Vol. 9 
(Spheric)
VA [Alien VS]           Watching TV              Syntonic Waves Vol. 9 
(Spheric)
VA [Reuter/Nies]        Follow Me                Syntonic Waves Vol. 9 
(Spheric)
VA [Liese and Kopper]   Le Reve Numerique 22     Syntonic Waves Vol. 9 
(Spheric)
VA [Lambert]            Trance Move              Syntonic Waves Vol. 9 
(Spheric)
VA [Bay]                Desert                   Syntonic Waves Vol. 9 
(Spheric)
VA [Dayflight]          City Night               Syntonic Waves Vol. 9 
(Spheric)
VA [Traumklang]         Kleiner Tiergarten *     Syntonic Waves Vol. 9 
(Spheric)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on the Klause Schulze 
Deluxe
Edition reissues put out on InsideOut Records.  The Featured CD at 
Midnight will
be "Mirage."

The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Mosaique" by Robert Schroder on IC
Records from 1981.

Bill
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Oops!  I'm doing too many things at once!  (As usual...)  On the EMUSIC 
Playlist I just sent out, I included the wrong link.
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/top20jan.html should have 
been:

http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050127.html

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http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/top20jan.html

WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for January, 2005.
Shows #407 to #410; 6-January-2005 to 27-January-2005
Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order.

ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
===========================================================
Arcane - 33 1/3 RPM - NeuHarmony
Bruno Sanfilippo - Ad Libitum - AD21
E=motion - Re-trance-mission - Underwater
Erik Norlander - Seas of Orion - Quantum
Gregory Kyryluk - Ephemeral Highways - HRR
Maitreya - .74 - Council of Nine
Meri von KleinSmid - Ex Vivo - Mimeograph
Ozone Player - Frozen Paint on Boiling Canvas - Visual Power
Pseudophone - Reach - none
Ron Boots - Different Stories and Twisted Tales - Groove
Samarkande - 4 Cadavres Exquis - none
Spielerei and Mantacoup - Wichman and Other Pieces - Databloem
Steve Roach - Places Beyond: The Lost Pieces 4 - Timeroom Editions
Undo - Deux - none
Various Artists - E-dition #5 - Groove
Various Artists - Electronic Highlights - Spheric
Various Artists - Fluidities - The Foundry
Various Artists - Syntonic Waves Vol 7 - Spheric
Various Artists - Syntonic Waves Vol. 8 - Spheric
Various Artists - Syntonic Waves Vol. 9 - Spheric

Bill
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Ivan,

In a message dated 01/29/05 0:41:53, ivan@roccoipartner.hr writes:

> I have Boss DD 20 giga delay, and I am content with sound but there=20
> is not undo function and stop function. I consider to buy Boss RC20 XL=20
> loop station. Is there anybody who is experienced in that gear. What=20
> kind of impressions?
>=20
Several months ago I bought an RC20 and had it for about 48 hours=20
before I returned it to the store in exchange for a DD20. I was so happy
with that one I eventually bought 2 more (for a total of 3). Yeah, I'm=20
a glutton for punishment.

The advantages of the RC20 is length of delay time, storeable loops,=20
and time-stretching. Both units are quiet and have fairly hi-fidelity=20
sound. But the RC's other limitations turned me off. You can't do a
simple thing like fade out old loop material gradually while simultaneously=20
building up new -- a technique I find essential to what I'm was interested=20
in doing. It also makes it hard to fade out for endings of songs (unless=20
you have a dedicated volume pedal just for that).

This setup is not my main looping rig. I got tired of moving my EDPs
(and rack) around for smaller gigs and wanted to put together a more
compact rig (just some pedals and and amp). The DD20s worked well=20
for me in that capacity for a while.

The other onboard delay effects and reverse settings enabled me to=20
set each unit up for a different function. The numeric programmable=20
delay times are really accurate. You can set delays on different units=20
to the same numbers and they don't drift discernibly at all -- which=20
I found, frankly, amazing.

Eventually I missed the vast capabilities of the EDPs and sold off all=20
but one DD20. I found an old SKB pedalboard that has spaces for
rack gear in it and have put an EDP in one of those spaces. My new=20
"small rig" is built around that.

The DD20 is still pretty cool though. There's a lot you can do with it
and it seems to mesh more organically with my way of playing than=20
the RC20 did.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"55=20=
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<BR>
In a message dated 01/29/05 0:41:53, ivan@roccoipartner.hr writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE CITE STYLE=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;=20=
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000FF" FACE=3D"55 Helvetica Roman" LANG=3D"0" SIZE=3D"2">I have Boss DD 20 g=
iga delay, and I am content with sound but there </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000=
FF" FACE=3D"55 Helvetica Roman" LANG=3D"0" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" FACE=3D"55 Helvetica Roman" LANG=3D"0" SIZE=
=3D"2">is not undo function and stop function. I consider to buy Boss RC20 X=
L </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" FACE=3D"55 Helvetica Roman" LANG=3D"0" SIZE=
=3D"2"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" FACE=3D"55 Helvetica Roman" LANG=3D"0" SIZE=
=3D"2">loop station. Is there anybody who is experienced in that gear. What=20=
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" FACE=3D"55 Helvetica Roman" LANG=3D"0" SIZE=
=3D"2"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" FACE=3D"55 Helvetica Roman" LANG=3D"0" SIZE=
=3D"2">kind of impressions?</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"55 Helveti=
ca Roman" LANG=3D"0" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"55 Helvetica Roman" LANG=
=3D"0" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
Several months ago I bought an RC20 and had it for about 48 hours <BR>
before I returned it to the store in exchange for a DD20. I was so happy<BR>
with that one I eventually bought 2 more (for a total of 3). Yeah, I'm <BR>
a glutton for punishment.<BR>
<BR>
The advantages of the RC20 is length of delay time, storeable loops, <BR>
and time-stretching. Both units are quiet and have fairly hi-fidelity <BR>
sound. But the RC's other limitations turned me off. You can't do a<BR>
simple thing like fade out old loop material gradually while simultaneously=20=
<BR>
building up new -- a technique I find essential to what I'm was interested <=
BR>
in doing. It also makes it hard to fade out for endings of songs (unless <BR=
>
you have a dedicated volume pedal just for that).<BR>
<BR>
This setup is not my main looping rig. I got tired of moving my EDPs<BR>
(and rack) around for smaller gigs and wanted to put together a more<BR>
compact rig (just some pedals and and amp). The DD20s worked well <BR>
for me in that capacity for a while.<BR>
<BR>
The other onboard delay effects and reverse settings enabled me to <BR>
set each unit up for a different function. The numeric programmable <BR>
delay times are really accurate. You can set delays on different units <BR>
to the same numbers and they don't drift discernibly at all -- which <BR>
I found, frankly, amazing.<BR>
<BR>
Eventually I missed the vast capabilities of the EDPs and sold off all <BR>
but one DD20. I found an old SKB pedalboard that has spaces for<BR>
rack gear in it and have put an EDP in one of those spaces. My new <BR>
"small rig" is built around that.<BR>
<BR>
The DD20 is still pretty cool though. There's a lot you can do with it<BR>
and it seems to mesh more organically with my way of playing than <BR>
the RC20 did.<BR>
<BR>
Best regards,<BR>
<BR>
tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#808080" FACE=3D"55 Helvetica Roman" LANG=3D"0" SIZE=
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<BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
<BR>
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR>
<BR>
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   You  could copy the circuit and make another boutique pedal to peddle
I used to have an old tube open-reel recorder that I
picked up at a yard sale for 50 cents. The heads were
trashed so it would no longer record or play, but the
amp circuit still worked. It sounded exactly like a
CRANKED AC-30, only at about the volume level of a
normal conversation. I wish I still had that thing.

-t-


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My friend Dave Stafford recently got an RC-20XL and is extremely pleased  
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mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:

> Howdy, Noisemakers!
> The other day my daughter was recording herself (and snippets of TV 
> audio) with her little lo-res hand-held sampling toy, which allows her 
> to record about 4 seconds of whatever the built-in mic can pick up and 
> then play it back in charmingly mangled low fidelity. Part of this 
> must be the low resolution of the toy-grade digital circuitry, and a 
> some of it may be from the 2-inch speaker (and the not-exactly-Class-A 
> amplifier circuit).
> The question is this:
> Is there anything on the market that can cop the sound of a toy 
> sampler? Anything that can sonically degrade our instruments in a 
> similar way? It's an entertaining texture and I am beginning to hunger 
> for it (bwa-ha-ha-ha-hahaaa!!)
> ~Tim Mungenast
> www.cdbaby.com/mungenast
> www.mungenast.com

Build a one or two bit ADC and feed it into a home built DAC of the same 
bit depth.  A few resistors, comparators, simple logic gates, batteries, 
micsellaneous stuff is all it should take.

What would happen if you set a VCO to 20kHz (or more), and pulse width 
modulated it with your audio signal?

Cheers,

Bill

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bryan helm  wrote:
My friend Dave Stafford recently got an RC-20XL and is extremely pleased
with the performance stability and large memory of the unit, he doesn't miss
the EDP types of parameter controls he says and he's used an EDP for over a
decade.FYI.
                                                               
RC has its good points:
 
1. Battery powered--great for a variety of live situations.

2. Audio quality--I think it sounds great!

3. Space for 10 loops--and non-volatile memory.

4. Enormous amount of sample time--330 seconds! Over ten times that of a
fully upgraded Jamman, almost twice the maxed out Echoplex!

5. Intuitive built-in interface--one pedal for record/play/overdub, one for
stop.

6. Footprint--very compact.

7. Price--it's in the Line 6 DL4's price range, cheaper than a Boomerang.

8. Charming in its simplicity.

 
But there is no feedback control--a big deficiency, making it less of a
looper--

Gary


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In a message dated 1/29/2005 2:03:11 PM Central Standard Time, hqr@cox.net 
writes:
bryan helm  wrote:
My friend Dave Stafford recently got an RC-20XL and is extremely pleased
with the performance stability and large memory of the unit, he doesn't miss
the EDP types of parameter controls he says and he's used an EDP for over a
decade.FYI.
                                                               
RC has its good points:

1. Battery powered--great for a variety of live situations.

2. Audio quality--I think it sounds great!

3. Space for 10 loops--and non-volatile memory.

4. Enormous amount of sample time--330 seconds! Over ten times that of a
fully upgraded Jamman, almost twice the maxed out Echoplex!

5. Intuitive built-in interface--one pedal for record/play/overdub, one for
stop.

6. Footprint--very compact.

7. Price--it's in the Line 6 DL4's price range, cheaper than a Boomerang.

8. Charming in its simplicity.


But there is no feedback control--a big deficiency, making it less of a
looper--

Gary
    That's why I like the DD-20 Gigadelay. Cheers, James

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I've added a few more effect sound samples to my gear web page, related
to this discussion thread:

http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm  (you can right click links and
"save as" to download clips rather than playing them from the site)

Click on the red Boss VF-1 and listen to Sound Sample #3 (double-click
the unit to make the info window go away)
Click on the Alesis Akria and listen to Sound Sample #3 (double-click
the unit to make the info window go away)

OR the direct links:

Alesis Akira - Sound Sample #3 (Scratchy-poppy, vinal record simluator
and Decimator effect...in that order) 
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/gear-samples
/akira-vinal-decimator.rm

Boss VF-1 - Sound Sample #3 (Lo-Fi Processor effect with real time
sample and bit rate modification) 
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/gear-samples
/vf-1-lo-fi.rm

You can actually select 1 bit sample rate emulation, which is reaaally
nasty....  :)

You can do a lot more with these effects using an expression pedal, but
I didn't have time to get into that.

K-

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http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht
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>> Anyway, since I started looping I've made it a point to not record 
anything. << 

I do exactly the same thing.  Something about pressing the record button
that changes the who outcome.  Call it performance anxiety or laziness.  But
I play better and enjoy it more when I'm not trying to be ON and play well.



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I'm using the Panasonic DA-1 portable DAT recorder. It has been trouble 
free for almost 10 yrs. sp/dif in from a Yamaha 01V96 with auxes 3&4 as 
the post fade record stereo buss. This way I can setup some mics to 
pickup the ambient sound and not send them to the stereo buss, which 
feeds the PA.

These days I would avoid DAT because it will soon be obsolete. MD always 
sucked and always will because of the data compression scheme.

The little Edirol is awesome, but has no digital input. It does sound 
good and I might have to get one anyhow, and go analog when I need a 
mixer. Maybe a competetor will appear with a sp/dif in.

A portable CD recorder still sounds like the best way for now.

Henry

goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
>  >>I'm curious as to what stereo digital recording units others are 
> using to record their live performance off the soundboard. I'm currently 
> using a Sony Minidisk MZ-R70[snip] I'm thinking of a DAT recorder, like 
> the Panasonic SV-3700 or SV-3800.<<
> 
> kris- forget about DAT. it sucks. don't get me wrong- they sound great 
> when they're behaving themselves, but for reliability, especially on the 
> move.... you're better off with the MD. if you can get hold of the blank 
> media for them (which we in the UK have had to wait for until this 
> week), there's a version of MD that can record 90 minutes uncompressed 
> onto a 1Gb blank. it eats batteries though.
> 
> otherwise- if you can afford a DAT portable, chances are you could 
> stretch to a reasonably portable CD recorder. I have a denon 1/2 width 
> (midi hifi) unit that's served well in the rehearsal room. there's a 
> "proper" pro portable machine by HHB for about Ł800 & I think marantz do 
> a couple in this sort of price-range.
> 
> just my 2c worth.
> oh, & if you use the line input of the sony, I'm pretty sure it's a 
> fixed level rather than the agc that you get on the mic inputs. I may be 
> wrong.... I have made albums from MD recordings too- they're pretty good 
> at not recording the background noises, as atrac compression works by 
> exploiting some psycho-acoustic effect that's the same as what y'r 
> hearing does. so an album you know very well will sound weird on an MD- 
> remixed, almost- but a live recording sounds like what you remember, 
> with all the bar-noise & chair-scraping magically absent.
> 
> duncan.
> 
> 
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On Jan 29, 2005, at 4:18 PM, Henry Heine wrote:

> I'm using the Panasonic DA-1 portable DAT recorder. It has been  
> trouble free for almost 10 yrs. sp/dif in from a Yamaha 01V96 with  
> auxes 3&4 as the post fade record stereo buss. This way I can setup  
> some mics to pickup the ambient sound and not send them to the stereo  
> buss, which feeds the PA.
>
> These days I would avoid DAT because it will soon be obsolete. MD  
> always sucked and always will because of the data compression scheme.
>
> The little Edirol is awesome, but has no digital input. It does sound  
> good and I might have to get one anyhow, and go analog when I need a  
> mixer. Maybe a competetor will appear with a sp/dif in.
>
> A portable CD recorder still sounds like the best way for now.
>
> Henry
>
> goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
>>  >>I'm curious as to what stereo digital recording units others are  
>> using to record their live performance off the soundboard. I'm  
>> currently using a Sony Minidisk MZ-R70[snip] I'm thinking of a DAT  
>> recorder, like the Panasonic SV-3700 or SV-3800.<<
>> kris- forget about DAT. it sucks. don't get me wrong- they sound  
>> great when they're behaving themselves, but for reliability,  
>> especially on the move.... you're better off with the MD. if you can  
>> get hold of the blank media for them (which we in the UK have had to  
>> wait for until this week), there's a version of MD that can record 90  
>> minutes uncompressed onto a 1Gb blank. it eats batteries though.
>> otherwise- if you can afford a DAT portable, chances are you could  
>> stretch to a reasonably portable CD recorder. I have a denon 1/2  
>> width (midi hifi) unit that's served well in the rehearsal room.  
>> there's a "proper" pro portable machine by HHB for about Ł800 & I  
>> think marantz do a couple in this sort of price-range.
>> just my 2c worth.
>> oh, & if you use the line input of the sony, I'm pretty sure it's a  
>> fixed level rather than the agc that you get on the mic inputs. I may  
>> be wrong.... I have made albums from MD recordings too- they're  
>> pretty good at not recording the background noises, as atrac  
>> compression works by exploiting some psycho-acoustic effect that's  
>> the same as what y'r hearing does. so an album you know very well  
>> will sound weird on an MD- remixed, almost- but a live recording  
>> sounds like what you remember, with all the bar-noise &  
>> chair-scraping magically absent.
>> duncan.
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At 01:28 AM 1/24/2005, Bernhard Wagner wrote:
>I own a blackface EDP and would like to add a Parameter Button to my Pedal.
>I managed to reconstruct all functions
>Record Overdub Multiply Insert Mute Undo NextLoop
>with the help of:
>http://loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html
>
>except Parameters.
>
>I tried both 28.0k and 33.2k and also some tweaking with a potentiometer but
>didn't get it to work reliably. Often I'd get Overdub instead of Parameters.
>
>Has anyone succeeded?

Hi Bernhard-
I think you shouldn't bother spending more time on that. It doesn't work 
reliably. A couple of people tried to get it to work in the past, but could 
never get it. We designed the possibility in to the Echoplex from the 
beginning, but since it wasn't a real feature of the product it was never 
really tested.

Isn't there some company that makes single function midi pedals, with just 
one switch? Maybe you could get something like that to send the command for 
the parameter button. Or use presets and a midi pedal to send the program 
changes.

kim


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Isn't that a good reason to always record - so it becomes something 
unobtrusive?  You can't capture the "magic" stuff after the fact and it 
can be a good compositional reference/ reminder.  It's easy enough to 
hit the erase button when you're done if nothing "happened".  - Paul


On Jan 29, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Bill Wolf wrote:

>>> Anyway, since I started looping I've made it a point to not record
> anything. <<
>
> I do exactly the same thing.  Something about pressing the record 
> button
> that changes the who outcome.  Call it performance anxiety or 
> laziness.  But
> I play better and enjoy it more when I'm not trying to be ON and play 
> well.
>
>
>

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It's the ol' dreaded "redlight fever"....which has changed, for good or
bad, many recordings.   Eventually you get used to it and forget it's
there.  In this context, the only causal mechanism involved in changing
the output of a performance with the record light on, is a psychological
one.  Once you get past that, you can archive the magic.  One good way
to start getting used to it is to have someone else record your
performances so that you can detach yourself from the process....then
eventually you can start doing it yourself.  The more you do it, the
more natural it gets. 

But who knows....everyone has the right to be superstitious. 

K- 


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Isn't that a good reason to always record - so it becomes something 
unobtrusive?  You can't capture the "magic" stuff after the fact and it 
can be a good compositional reference/ reminder.  It's easy enough to 
hit the erase button when you're done if nothing "happened".  - Paul


On Jan 29, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Bill Wolf wrote:

>>> Anyway, since I started looping I've made it a point to not record
> anything. <<
>
> I do exactly the same thing.  Something about pressing the record
> button
> that changes the who outcome.  Call it performance anxiety or 
> laziness.  But
> I play better and enjoy it more when I'm not trying to be ON and play 
> well.
>
>
>


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After reviewing all the suggestions from everyone, reviewing specs,
media storage approaches, etc. I'm pretty much set on the Marantz PMD570
now....

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PMD570/

Marantz PMD570 Features: 

Record Directly to Compact Flash Cards. 
RS-232c Control of Functions. 
Easy One Touch Record. 
No Moving Parts. 
MP3, MP2, WAV, and BWF Format Compatible. 
Over 40 Assignable Quality Settings. 
Security for Media (Door). 
16-48 kHz Sample Rate Selections. 
32-384 Bit Rate Selectable. 
Menu Driven Contact Closure for Remote Operation: Start-Pause, Mark
EDL/Create New File/Start-Pause with New File/ Mark EDL. 
Digital Input and Output. 
Balanced XLR Line inputs with Trim. 
Unbalanced Line In and Out

And after searching the web, $899 seems to be the standard prices these
units. And I can get a 1 gig compact flash card for $90. The main reason
why I like this unit is that it is rackmount, not thousands of dollars,
and I can move the wav or mp3 files directly to my computer and edit
with ProTools. This will make it very easy to archive all my live
recordings.

Kris




-----Original Message-----
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I'm using the Panasonic DA-1 portable DAT recorder. It has been trouble 
free for almost 10 yrs. sp/dif in from a Yamaha 01V96 with auxes 3&4 as 
the post fade record stereo buss. This way I can setup some mics to 
pickup the ambient sound and not send them to the stereo buss, which 
feeds the PA.

These days I would avoid DAT because it will soon be obsolete. MD always

sucked and always will because of the data compression scheme.

The little Edirol is awesome, but has no digital input. It does sound 
good and I might have to get one anyhow, and go analog when I need a 
mixer. Maybe a competetor will appear with a sp/dif in.

A portable CD recorder still sounds like the best way for now.

Henry

goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
>  >>I'm curious as to what stereo digital recording units others are
> using to record their live performance off the soundboard. I'm
currently 
> using a Sony Minidisk MZ-R70[snip] I'm thinking of a DAT recorder,
like 
> the Panasonic SV-3700 or SV-3800.<<
> 
> kris- forget about DAT. it sucks. don't get me wrong- they sound great
> when they're behaving themselves, but for reliability, especially on
the 
> move.... you're better off with the MD. if you can get hold of the
blank 
> media for them (which we in the UK have had to wait for until this 
> week), there's a version of MD that can record 90 minutes uncompressed

> onto a 1Gb blank. it eats batteries though.
> 
> otherwise- if you can afford a DAT portable, chances are you could
> stretch to a reasonably portable CD recorder. I have a denon 1/2 width

> (midi hifi) unit that's served well in the rehearsal room. there's a 
> "proper" pro portable machine by HHB for about Ł800 & I think marantz
do 
> a couple in this sort of price-range.
> 
> just my 2c worth.
> oh, & if you use the line input of the sony, I'm pretty sure it's a
> fixed level rather than the agc that you get on the mic inputs. I may
be 
> wrong.... I have made albums from MD recordings too- they're pretty
good 
> at not recording the background noises, as atrac compression works by 
> exploiting some psycho-acoustic effect that's the same as what y'r 
> hearing does. so an album you know very well will sound weird on an
MD- 
> remixed, almost- but a live recording sounds like what you remember, 
> with all the bar-noise & chair-scraping magically absent.
> 
> duncan.
> 
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On Jan 29, 2005, at 15:30, Krispen Hartung wrote:
> It's the ol' dreaded "redlight fever"....which has changed, for good or
> bad, many recordings.   Eventually you get used to it and forget it's
> there.  In this context, the only causal mechanism involved in changing
> the output of a performance with the record light on, is a 
> psychological
> one.  Once you get past that, you can archive the magic.  One good way
> to start getting used to it is to have someone else record your
> performances so that you can detach yourself from the process....then
> eventually you can start doing it yourself.  The more you do it, the
> more natural it gets.
> But who knows....everyone has the right to be superstitious.

Recording collapses the wave function? ;-)

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/HNTCTWF.php

But seriously I agree with you ... the best antidote for red-light 
syndrome is to record everything. After awhile it's not much different 
from pressing the Record button on a looper.

Doug
http://sonosphere.com/


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I love it!!!  The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applied to recording
music.....analogically, this would mean that when recording you can
observe (record) some variable X, but not variable Y, or visa versa -
same as being able to measure the velocity of a particle but not its
mass, or visa versa.  

It's interesting that people apply this principle to more behavioral
settings, when the Hawthorn Effect is probably more appropriate, where
individual behaviors may be altered because they know they are being
studied or observed....in this case recorded. That seems more fitting
than trying to apply a principle of unobservable physics. Of course, it
doesn't sound as cool as the "Heisenberg Principle", which seems to have
slipped into popular media, like Joan of Arcadia, etc.

Yes, record everything....I like that, like a perpetual musical journal.
:)  Hey, how about Entangled looping parts?  We split a loop, after
which it becomes an entangled (coupled) system....we change the state of
one loop and the other loop change its state instantaneously.  For
example, if you transpose one loop down an octave, the other transposes
up.  This sound like a job for the Vortex to me.  Hmmmmmm......

K-



-----Original Message-----
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On Jan 29, 2005, at 15:30, Krispen Hartung wrote:
> It's the ol' dreaded "redlight fever"....which has changed, for good
or
> bad, many recordings.   Eventually you get used to it and forget it's
> there.  In this context, the only causal mechanism involved in 
> changing the output of a performance with the record light on, is a 
> psychological one.  Once you get past that, you can archive the magic.

> One good way to start getting used to it is to have someone else 
> record your performances so that you can detach yourself from the 
> process....then eventually you can start doing it yourself.  The more 
> you do it, the more natural it gets.
> But who knows....everyone has the right to be superstitious.

Recording collapses the wave function? ;-)

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/HNTCTWF.php

But seriously I agree with you ... the best antidote for red-light 
syndrome is to record everything. After awhile it's not much different 
from pressing the Record button on a looper.

Doug
http://sonosphere.com/



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Hey! You reminded me! We have one, too! My daughter used to intentionally
crank that mutha because she enjoyed the Trent Reznor distortion on her
voice. That's my girl, all right.  ;-) 


> [Original Message]
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> Date: 1/29/2005 3:54:12 AM
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>
>   You can get  Fisher Price toy cassette recorders that really w mics
that 
> really record
>
> ,
>
>



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you mean something like my 1950 Tandberg Twin Track? I haven't got the
dough to refurbish it ( its unintentionally abusive student owner gave it
to me back in 1986 ) but the sounds coming out of that oval speaker are a
gas. It's been a few years....maybe I oughta warm up those microphonic
tubes again and have at it. Someday I will try to find it a good home, but
I wanna enjoy it some more first.
~Tim




> [Original Message]
> From: Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com>
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> Date: 1/29/2005 8:06:23 AM
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>
>
> --- samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I got a Vtech toy guitar amp at the
> > thrift store for 2 bucks 
> > .It has a 1/4 inch in and gets a distortion sound a
> > lot of rock players 
> > would pay hundreds for.
>
> I used to have an old tube open-reel recorder that I
> picked up at a yard sale for 50 cents. The heads were
> trashed so it would no longer record or play, but the
> amp circuit still worked. It sounded exactly like a
> CRANKED AC-30, only at about the volume level of a
> normal conversation. I wish I still had that thing.
>
> -t-
>
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Geez, I'll have to run all this by someone smarter than me...perhaps the
fellow who helped me build my aforementioned toy-based FX box. But even
though I'm no tech guru, your ideas intrigue me!



> [Original Message]
> From: Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: 1/29/2005 2:34:17 PM
> Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>
> mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> > Howdy, Noisemakers!
> > The other day my daughter was recording herself (and snippets of TV 
> > audio) with her little lo-res hand-held sampling toy, which allows her 
> > to record about 4 seconds of whatever the built-in mic can pick up and 
> > then play it back in charmingly mangled low fidelity. Part of this 
> > must be the low resolution of the toy-grade digital circuitry, and a 
> > some of it may be from the 2-inch speaker (and the not-exactly-Class-A 
> > amplifier circuit).
> > The question is this:
> > Is there anything on the market that can cop the sound of a toy 
> > sampler? Anything that can sonically degrade our instruments in a 
> > similar way? It's an entertaining texture and I am beginning to hunger 
> > for it (bwa-ha-ha-ha-hahaaa!!)
> > ~Tim Mungenast
> > www.cdbaby.com/mungenast
> > www.mungenast.com
>
> Build a one or two bit ADC and feed it into a home built DAC of the same 
> bit depth.  A few resistors, comparators, simple logic gates, batteries, 
> micsellaneous stuff is all it should take.
>
> What would happen if you set a VCO to 20kHz (or more), and pulse width 
> modulated it with your audio signal?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>



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I don't think this is too off-topic, I am trying to use my laptop for
all my guitar effects including looping with Loopy-Llama and
ElottronixXL. I have a Dell Inspiron with an IndigoIO cardbus
soundcard running EnergyXT.

I bought a cheap amp (a Drive G35 DSP) with an effects send and
return, and plugged in my Indigo IO soundcard of my laptop.  It
sounded horrible. I realize now that the amp is using instrument
levels and the Indigo IO is using line levels. Is there a cheap and
easy way to solve this, or do I need a compeltely different setup?

In the past when I wanted to get my guitar into my computer, I used a
Korg AX10G multi-effects pedal and ran the line-out from the AX10G to
the line in of my laptop and the line-out from my laptop to my home
stereo. It works fine, but I end up with cords running from one side
of the room to the other. I was hoping for a more compact setup.

BTW, I was inspired to ditch the AX10G by an excellent thread on
various (and mostly free) guitar amp VSTs here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59469&highlight=cortex+guitar
The free Marshall JCM900 amp simulation is very impressive.
-- 
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I just bought a XONIX watch at Fry's.   It was $139 dollars with a $30 
rebate.

It has a cheap microphone onboard and 256 megs of RAM.    It will record 
anything you record
(with a ton of onboard noise to go with your sample) and play it back with 
stereo headphones (yes, it has
a mini-mini stereo jack on it).

It also (get this) has a USB connector underneath the watch band and you can 
upload or download files, mp3,
.wmv files and the aforementioned recordings to your PC (sorry Mac 
folks........another wierd assed program that only
works on the dark side of the computer world).

What a wonderful world we live in, eh?

I bought it to start recording lyric ideas for my next record, but I've 
found myself recording all kinds of wierd
'found' and industrial sounds.       One sound I got recorded was of a 
sliding glass door that sounded as if it was
some banshee screaming from hell on another planet..................such a 
cool and musical sound. 

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On Jan 30, 2005, at 6:59, Art Simon wrote:

> I don't think this is too off-topic, I am trying to use my laptop for
> all my guitar effects including looping with Loopy-Llama and
> ElottronixXL. I have a Dell Inspiron with an IndigoIO cardbus
> soundcard running EnergyXT.

That is a relly nice sound card! I have one too. Used it on my IBM  
laptop, before it died from swallowing a glass of milk through the  
keyboard. Now I use it on a mac powerbook. But I do not dare relying on  
the computer to shape the basic guitar tone (although I have tried that  
in the past). Instead I use an old POD 1 (the first version, red and  
roundish. Cheap second hand purchase) and I set the Indigo i/o to  
monitor the input directly. That gives I have only to coup with the  
delay of the POD unit, but that's ok. Not worse than standing some four  
meters away from your physical guitar rig, comparing  IRL . Then, in  
the software I take out all direct signals to avoid phasing problems.  
So the sound card direct monitoring gives the DRY signal and all the  
stuff inside the laptop gives the WET signal.

> I bought a cheap amp (a Drive G35 DSP) with an effects send and
> return, and plugged in my Indigo IO soundcard of my laptop.  It
> sounded horrible. I realize now that the amp is using instrument
> levels and the Indigo IO is using line levels. Is there a cheap and
> easy way to solve this, or do I need a compeltely different setup?

You need a line level amp. Or head phones. Buying a pair of really good  
headphones is a good investment.

> BTW, I was inspired to ditch the AX10G by an excellent thread on
> various (and mostly free) guitar amp VSTs here:
> http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php? 
> t=59469&highlight=cortex+guitar
> The free Marshall JCM900 amp simulation is very impressive.

I agree, that guitar plug is awesome! I used it all the time on pc. Not  
for live playing though, only when producing recordings.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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How about this...buy youself an inexpensive baby monitor system.  The
cool thing is that it is wireless...plus I think it's a totally
ludicrous use of the technology! :)  You could just put a mic on the
receive side (parent) and put the transmitter side (baby) next to your
sound source (amp, percussion devices, mouth, etc).    I'm thinking you
could do all sorts of clever things with the wireless part, like leaving
your music loops go, and wandering around with the transimtter, corny
audience interaction, etc.

http://www.babyuniverse.com/search.asp?store=baby&searchstring=monitor
(some of these have two receivers, so you could get really clever)

Sorry if someone already suggested this...  Hah!!!

Kris




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Anyone make something equivalent to a Mackie 1202 mixer in a 1-3 space rack
configuration?    I've looked at the Rane sm 82 and the Rolls 203x but
neither cuts it for me.  I'm hoping I don't need to ultimately give in and
buy a big case to rack mount my Mackie.  I use it as the heart of my
electronic drum and looping rig and want to keep things small and simple.  

 

Some of the must haves:

Need a Headphone out (the rane sm82 lacks this)

Easy to use with one hand (I'm a drummer and like to tweak while I'm
playing)

Stereo inputs to make tweaking easier

At least 2 effects sends

Tone controls

 

 

Thanks

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don&#8217;t need to ultimately give in and buy a big case to rack mount =
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Hi Bill,

The Sampson 1602 has all you need except it is 4 rack spaces.

On eBay they sometimes go as low as $125.

Pretty clean sounding and easy to use.  16 channel, stereo with two aux.

I use the unit and like it very much.

Larry Cooperman
New Millennium Guitar
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Larry,

In a message dated 01/30/05 9:53:47, coop@newmillguitar.com writes:

> The Sampson 1602 has all you need except it is 4 rack spaces.
>=20
Is that the same as the Samson PL-1602 that is still currently being sold?

I'm just curious. I am always on the lookout for newer, better rack=20
line-mixers=20
too. I used to swear by an old Rocktron G612 12-channel mixer that had
(effectively) 4 sends and 4 returns, quiet operation, and took up only
one rack space. Alas, mine died after a decade of servitude and they
don't make 'em any more. I guess there are few enough of them out there
that they seldom appear on eBay either. I wound up having to make do
with an old Roland M-120 with fewer sends but has the virtue of being
built like a tank. I'm always looking out for something to replace it with.


Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

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<BR>
In a message dated 01/30/05 9:53:47, coop@newmillguitar.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
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000FF" FACE=3D"55 Helvetica Roman" LANG=3D"0" SIZE=3D"2">The Sampson 1602 ha=
s all you need except it is 4 rack spaces.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FAC=
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Is that the same as the Samson PL-1602 that is still currently being sold?<B=
R>
<BR>
I'm just curious. I am always on the lookout for newer, better rack line-mix=
ers <BR>
too. I used to swear by an old Rocktron G612 12-channel mixer that had<BR>
(effectively) 4 sends and 4 returns, quiet operation, and took up only<BR>
one rack space. Alas, mine died after a decade of servitude and they<BR>
don't make 'em any more. I guess there are few enough of them out there<BR>
that they seldom appear on eBay either. I wound up having to make do<BR>
with an old Roland M-120 with fewer sends but has the virtue of being<BR>
built like a tank. I'm always looking out for something to replace it with.<=
BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Best regards,<BR>
<BR>
tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR>
<BR>
"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR>
<BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
<BR>
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR>
<BR>
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<BR>
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If you find one, let me know. I ended up buying the 1202 because I
needed the four AUX outs. Most rackmount mixers only have two. If only
Mackie made a rackmount version of the 1202.....

There is the Alesis: http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--ALEMM12R  but
it is 4 spaces.

Samson:
http://www.mattsmusic.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=mattsmusic/PROD/Sa
msonProAudio10/74850

Kris

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Wolf [mailto:wiw@nyc.rr.com] 
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Anyone make something equivalent to a Mackie 1202 mixer in a 1-3 space
rack configuration?    I've looked at the Rane sm 82 and the Rolls 203x
but neither cuts it for me.  I'm hoping I don't need to ultimately give
in and buy a big case to rack mount my Mackie.  I use it as the heart of
my electronic drum and looping rig and want to keep things small and
simple.  
 
Some of the must haves:
Need a Headphone out (the rane sm82 lacks this)
Easy to use with one hand (I'm a drummer and like to tweak while I'm
playing)
Stereo inputs to make tweaking easier
At least 2 effects sends
Tone controls
 
 
Thanks
 -Bill

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THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
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I have been putting off learning this for a while, as i new it would be 
a strain!
I have searched the achives and can't find the answer in there having 
tried' fcb1010' 'fcb expression' etc.
the problem I am having is getting the expression pedal of the fcb to 
control the feedback of the edp.

I have checked with my computer that the fcb is sending controller 1 
value range 0-127 on channel 6 (using a max midi monitor)
My edp is set to receive on midi channel 6 the feedbkcontrol is set to 
a value of one, I have checked that when I plug the echoplex into 
computer moving the feedback knob send a  controller 1 value range 
0-127 on channel 6
So they are the same so why then when I move the expression pedal on 
the fcb it sets the feedback on the edp to 0 no matter where I move it.
I programmed the the fcb by pressing button one so it lights up, 
holding down 'down' for 2.5 secs, pressing up to avoid switches, 
lighting switch 8 for expression pedal A so it flashes, pressing enter, 
setting a value of 1 (as for feedback) pressing enter, setting low 
range to 0 press enter, and high range to 127 press enter and then 
leaving.

So what have I done wrong as if I plug fcb into computer its sending 
0-126 on cc 1 midi channel 6.
Please help as i am totally confused
geoff

p.s. I have programmed all the footswitches to control edp parameters 
with no problems.

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Dear Friends,

I am happy to announce "Translation of Sightseeing," a live video and 
sound performance by two Japanese "tourists," Yuko Nexus6 Kitamura and 
Mariko Tajiri, that explores the inevitable gaps, delusions, gaga 
thoughts, postcards, and stereotypes experienced by travelers in foreign 
places.

9:00 p.m., Saturday, February 5
Heaven Gallery, 1550 N. Milwaukee Ave., 2nd floor
Tel: 773-342-4597
Web: www.heavengallery.com <http://www.heavengallery.com>
Admission: $6


Yuko Nexus6 is a prolific and internationally recognized sound artist 
who embraces both hi-tech (laptop) and lo-tech (cassette) sound-making 
methods. Her compelling mixtures of field recordings, electronic music, 
and spoken text range from cinematic and sublime, to mischievous and 
childlike. She has been the subject of numerous interviews and 
citations, most recently in David Toop's historical survey of electronic 
music, Haunted Weather. Her third solo album, Journal de Tokyo (Sonore 
Records) <http://www.sonore.com/record_label/index.htm> received an 
Honorable Mention for Digital Musics in the 2003 Prix Ars Electronica.

Mariko Tajiri is a visual artist specializing in installation and video 
art. A recipient of a Philip Morris Art Award in 2000 and 2004, Mariko 
lives in Kobe and has shown widely in Japan and Europe.

Translation of Sightseeing is one stop in Yuko's and Mariko's North 
American <http://www02.so-net.ne.jp/%7Enexus6/LiveInformation.html> 
tour. Vocal artist extraordinaire, Carol Genetti 
<http://www.stasisfield.com/artists/carolgenetti.html> and I will open.

Further information is available on my "what's new" 
<http://pages.ripco.net/%7Eeleon/whatsnew.html> page and Heaven Gallery 
<http://www.heavengallery.com/>.

I hope you'll be able to attend.

Best regards,
Eric

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On Jan 30, 2005, at 23:41, geoff smith wrote:

> I have been putting off learning this for a while, as i new it would 
> be a strain!
> I have searched the achives and can't find the answer in there having 
> tried' fcb1010' 'fcb expression' etc.
> the problem I am having is getting the expression pedal of the fcb to 
> control the feedback of the edp.
>
> I have checked with my computer that the fcb is sending controller 1 
> value range 0-127 on channel 6 (using a max midi monitor)
> My edp is set to receive on midi channel 6 the feedbkcontrol is set to 
> a value of one, I have checked that when I plug the echoplex into 
> computer moving the feedback knob send a  controller 1 value range 
> 0-127 on channel 6
> So they are the same so why then when I move the expression pedal on 
> the fcb it sets the feedback on the edp to 0 no matter where I move 
> it.
> I programmed the the fcb by pressing button one so it lights up, 
> holding down 'down' for 2.5 secs, pressing up to avoid switches, 
> lighting switch 8 for expression pedal A so it flashes, pressing 
> enter, setting a value of 1 (as for feedback) pressing enter, setting 
> low range to 0 press enter, and high range to 127 press enter and then 
> leaving.
>
> So what have I done wrong as if I plug fcb into computer its sending 
> 0-126 on cc 1 midi channel 6.
> Please help as i am totally confused
> geoff
>
> p.s. I have programmed all the footswitches to control edp parameters 
> with no problems.


Very, very, very strange! You've done it right after the book and even 
double checked everything. The only plausible explanation seems to be 
that the EDP feedback midi control for some reason does not work with 
midi cc 1 ("modulation wheel").

Since you have now developed a talent in programming both the EDP and 
the FCB you may try to use another midi cc to see if it's working? Over 
here I have been using midi cc 30 on midi channel 1 and it has never 
let me down.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Okay have tried that same dissappointment
check this with edp and fcb still set to cc30
i have connected midi out of edp to logic pro so i can watch whats 
being output by the edp.
Move edp feedback knob and it shows channel 6 controller 30 range 0-127 
great
move behringer expression set to controll 30 channel 6 range 0-127 
whislst still plugged into the edp...
and I get a range of midi notes on a range of midi channels with a 
range of value and the edp  occasional does some strange things.

remove fcb1010 from edp plug straight into logic and reads either F 
sharp 0 midi channel 6 range 0 to 127 or sometimes controller 30 midi 
channel 6 range 0-127. I am not sure if they are the same thing? it 
depends how many times I press the 1 footswitch as to which value the 
expression pedal reads in logic. mostly it says f- sharp 0, however 
sometimes controller 30.
Arrghh!
I new this would be a nightmare!
I must have missed something.... but what!
geoff




On 30 Jan 2005, at 23:08, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Jan 30, 2005, at 23:41, geoff smith wrote:
>
>> I have been putting off learning this for a while, as i new it would 
>> be a strain!
>> I have searched the achives and can't find the answer in there having 
>> tried' fcb1010' 'fcb expression' etc.
>> the problem I am having is getting the expression pedal of the fcb to 
>> control the feedback of the edp.
>>
>> I have checked with my computer that the fcb is sending controller 1 
>> value range 0-127 on channel 6 (using a max midi monitor)
>> My edp is set to receive on midi channel 6 the feedbkcontrol is set 
>> to a value of one, I have checked that when I plug the echoplex into 
>> computer moving the feedback knob send a  controller 1 value range 
>> 0-127 on channel 6
>> So they are the same so why then when I move the expression pedal on 
>> the fcb it sets the feedback on the edp to 0 no matter where I move 
>> it.
>> I programmed the the fcb by pressing button one so it lights up, 
>> holding down 'down' for 2.5 secs, pressing up to avoid switches, 
>> lighting switch 8 for expression pedal A so it flashes, pressing 
>> enter, setting a value of 1 (as for feedback) pressing enter, setting 
>> low range to 0 press enter, and high range to 127 press enter and 
>> then leaving.
>>
>> So what have I done wrong as if I plug fcb into computer its sending 
>> 0-126 on cc 1 midi channel 6.
>> Please help as i am totally confused
>> geoff
>>
>> p.s. I have programmed all the footswitches to control edp parameters 
>> with no problems.
>
>
> Very, very, very strange! You've done it right after the book and even 
> double checked everything. The only plausible explanation seems to be 
> that the EDP feedback midi control for some reason does not work with 
> midi cc 1 ("modulation wheel").
>
> Since you have now developed a talent in programming both the EDP and 
> the FCB you may try to use another midi cc to see if it's working? 
> Over here I have been using midi cc 30 on midi channel 1 and it has 
> never let me down.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
>
>

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On Jan 31, 2005, at 0:43, geoff smith wrote:

> 8< 8< 8< 8<.... nightmare!
> I must have missed something.... but what!
> geoff


Just some FCB pedal hints (please excuse me if you already know about 
this):

The pedal ships with every button set up to send a bunch of different 
midi commands, designed to  change preset patches on some guitar amp 
from Behringer. For every button on the FCB you have to make sure that 
this switch is only sending out the midi message you need.

On my FCB I found out that it did send out a midi cc of another switch 
that I had turned off in the bank program menu!!! This created a lot of 
problems until I changed all my midi gear so nothing was listening to 
the midi channel assigned (in FCB global setup) to that switch.

Some more thoughts:
Keep the EDP settings of midi ch 6, cc 1. Connect the midi out of a 
synth. Set the synth to channel 6 and move the modulation wheel (= midi 
cc 1). See if the EDP reacts with scrolling the different feedback 
values in the LCD. Also double check the synth in Logic's monitor to be 
sure that it really is sending cc 1 on channel 6. If this is working 
fine it means the problem is with the FCB.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Cheers for the support I have been at this for 4 hours! and am losing 
patience now.
Do you know if i have to recalibrate the behringer I remember seeing 
something along those lines in previous post, or is this the edp that 
won't recognise full value or something else?
I will get this to work!
more beer to maintain calm!

geoff
On 31 Jan 2005, at 00:07, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Jan 31, 2005, at 0:43, geoff smith wrote:
>
>> 8< 8< 8< 8<.... nightmare!
>> I must have missed something.... but what!
>> geoff
>
>
> Just some FCB pedal hints (please excuse me if you already know about 
> this):
>
> The pedal ships with every button set up to send a bunch of different 
> midi commands, designed to  change preset patches on some guitar amp 
> from Behringer. For every button on the FCB you have to make sure that 
> this switch is only sending out the midi message you need.
>
> On my FCB I found out that it did send out a midi cc of another switch 
> that I had turned off in the bank program menu!!! This created a lot 
> of problems until I changed all my midi gear so nothing was listening 
> to the midi channel assigned (in FCB global setup) to that switch.
>
> Some more thoughts:
> Keep the EDP settings of midi ch 6, cc 1. Connect the midi out of a 
> synth. Set the synth to channel 6 and move the modulation wheel (= 
> midi cc 1). See if the EDP reacts with scrolling the different 
> feedback values in the LCD. Also double check the synth in Logic's 
> monitor to be sure that it really is sending cc 1 on channel 6. If 
> this is working fine it means the problem is with the FCB.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
>
>

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Yeah, that's how I tend to think of it too, sometimes,
mostly. I find that when I try to think of audio
recording (or video, for that matter) as another skill
that must be maintained right there along with other
more conventionally musical essential abilities, then
when I go to actually do it, I won't feel like so much
of a lumbering doofus, an incompetent oaf and/or
naively unable to comprehend a learnable technique,
flustered in my lack of practice. Urggghhh.

Plus it gives one a greater source of raw recorded
material to work with, bustling with the energy of its
raw spontaneity; I just need to do it with a bit more
frequency and application of effort. Is it too late
for new new year's resolutions?

-t-

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> Isn't that a good reason to always record - so it
> becomes something 
> unobtrusive?  You can't capture the "magic" stuff
> after the fact and it 
> can be a good compositional reference/ reminder. 
> It's easy enough to 
> hit the erase button when you're done if nothing
> "happened".  - Paul


		
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     I am on the lookout for something similar.  As a keyboard player, I do almost everything in
stereo and rely on stereo FX sends and returns.  For quite a while I was using a Mackie
1604VLZpro, though I found the 16 channels (read 8 stereo) to be at the very limit of what I
commonly used with no room for expansion.  I did like the 6 aux sends (1-4 plus a button push
turns 3/4 into 5/6), and 4 sub outs.  Now if this mixer could be made into a stereo mixer without
all the mic pres...

     About a year ago, I purchased the discontinued Mackie 3204 rack mounted mixer which gives 16
stereo inputs.  This works well as far as supplying a necessary amount of inputs, though the sends
are more limited than on the 1604.  It has two sends, one stereo, one mono that can be routed to
sends 3 and 4 with a pushbutton, again one stereo and one mono.  That is its biggest downfall in
my book, why couldn't they have made all the sends stereo?  And to have four knobs as sends
instead of two knobs and one button switch?  And no submixes?  I'd give up the three eq knobs per
channel to put more sends/submixes and/or make the whole thing smaller.

     Has anyone seen a small 4 rackunit size mixer?  The 3204 is 6 spaces, I'd like more
functionality in less space (and for a good price and I want it yesterday...)  Someone posted a
mixer recently that could do a lot of what I'm asking for, though it cost $5,000.

     The quest continues...

            Stephen









		
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greetings from missoula, montana,

i just recently got on the list but have found it to be a very cool thing 
indeed.   i just purchased a gibson edp plus.   i have been using the boss loop 
station and before that the boomerang.   i perform professionally in the west 
and use looping quite a bit in my performance, albeit fairly simple looping 
compared to some.

my question is regarding the berringer foot pedal as a midi-controller for 
this unit.   i know there has been a recent thread, but i kind of wanted to 
start at the begining.   is there an index of this subject on the website?   i was 
not able to find it initially.   i purchased the edp without the foot 
controller (which i have tried in the past using a friends unit) to see if i can get 
by with a midi pedal leftover from an ada mp1.   however, i seem to remember 
that there was a good bit of talk regarding the berringer as being very good 
for this purpose.

thanks,
john

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Thanks All!

So it looks like my best choices so far are the Mackie 3204, Samson pl-1602
and mpl-1204 and the Alesis 12R.  Any recommendations?  

The Mackie's mono effects sends are similar to my Mackie 1202 so I'm used to
that.  My cheap reverbs (lexicon mpx100 and midiverb 4) seem to sound more
realistic with mono inputs to me anyway.  

BTW, the manuals on the Mackie website says the 3204 is a 5 space box.  Is
this incorrect?

 -Bill

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> Thanks All!
> The Mackie's mono effects sends are similar to my Mackie 1202 so I'm used to
> that.  My cheap reverbs (lexicon mpx100 and midiverb 4) seem to sound more
> realistic with mono inputs to me anyway.
> -Bill


~BACK TO MONO~

signed Phil Spector-Brian Wilson-and stan
sorry...couldnt resist. anytime i see the word *mono* i have a visceral
reaction!
ston

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Hi all
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I like using the Boss RC-20 with the Line 6 DL-4 for battery operated
looping--kt uses the Headrush, won't run on batteries--
As for amps, I also like the Carvin Stage Mate--it runs on an internal
rechargeable battery.
Edp is the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro, buy one, you won't regret it.
Gary


Original post was from: Chris Lee [mailto:chris_lee43@hotmail.com] 

Hi all
Joined the list recently,posted myself as newcomer ,looping curios .I,ve
been bombarded with emails of which I think only 2 responded to my interest
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myself ,glossary of terns would be useful.Whats a fcb ,edp ,etc ????????.
(I  play  Harmonicas,keyboards ,Voice and guitar.off travelling soon and
would like a portable set up so advice on battery operated gear would be
useful.
Happy looping 
Chris Lee


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To manage the flow of mail you might try a couple of things.  First you
could subscribe to the digest version of the list - it condenses a day's
msgs into one larger one.

 

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I'm not sure what email clients you can use with Hotmail though.  

 

As for the terms and such, you will pick that up very quickly.

 

  _____  

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Hi all

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There is a way to re-calibrate your expression pedals.

Calibration – Self-test FCB1010:

Keep pedal 1 and 3 pressed while switching on the unit. The unit is in 
self-test-mode now. LED's are checking.

Wait until all pedal led's are burning. Push all pedals now (one at a time, 
including up and down) until all leds are off.

Wait until relay test is finished.

Press the down-button once.

Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the lowest value. Once adjusted 
press UP.

Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the highest value. Once adjusted 
press UP.

Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the lowest value. Once adjusted 
press UP.

Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the highest value. Once adjusted 
press UP.

Now the pedals are calibrated and there should be a value of 0-127 to the 
midi-output.

Another note:
There will be a software update coming up soon, with V-amp configuration 
and TC G-force.

We hope that we have been able to help you with this information.


Best regards,
Rolph Broens
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     Bill,

<<So it looks like my best choices so far are the Mackie 3204, Samson pl-1602
and mpl-1204 and the Alesis 12R.  Any recommendations?>>  

     Also the discontinued (?) Samson PL2404 12 stereo input line mixer.  Sorry, I can't recommend
any but the Mackie because I've never used the other ones.  Kinda depends on whether or not the
specs will fit your needs I guess.



<<BTW, the manuals on the Mackie website says the 3204 is a 5 space box.  Is
this incorrect?>>

      My bad, it is 5 spaces.  I guess it just looked like 6...

                Stephen





		
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Dear Fellow Loop Infested

I was fortunate enough in 2004 to play at several of the wonderful loopfests
organized by members of this list and would like to propose a loopfestival
in Zürich 2005. I'm aiming at 2nd half of August.

Please let me know if you are interested in performing or organizing a
loopfest yourself around that time in order to avoid collisions.

Details to follow

Bernhard
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http://www.frostwave.com/sonicalienator/


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IŽd be curious if the FW is ruder than the Bitrman by Alesis. My bet would
be "ruder" but does anybody know for sure?

Stephen


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<DIV>Ted, apropos of nothing, I checked out your CDBaby site, and it was a =
hoot! You got some great reviews in there! I may have to add to them someti=
me soon.</DIV>
<DIV>~Tim Mungenast<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: ArsOcar=
ina@aol.com <BR>Sent: Jan 30, 2005 1:47 PM <BR>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-=
delight.com <BR>Subject: Re: Line mixer w 2 effects sends? <BR><BR><ZZZHTML=
><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><ZZZHTML><FONT lang=3D0 face=3D"55 Helvetica =
Roman" color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Larry,<BR><BR>In a message dated 01/30/05 9=
:53:47, coop@newmillguitar.com writes:<BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000=
0ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" cite=3D"" TYPE=3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT lang=
=3D0 face=3D"55 Helvetica Roman" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The Sampson 1602 =
has all you need except it is 4 rack spaces.</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3D"5=
5 Helvetica Roman" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT l=
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<DIV><BR>Is that the same as the Samson PL-1602 that is still currently bei=
ng sold?<BR><BR>I'm just curious. I am always on the lookout for newer, bet=
ter rack line-mixers <BR>too. I used to swear by an old Rocktron G612 12-ch=
annel mixer that had<BR>(effectively) 4 sends and 4 returns, quiet operatio=
n, and took up only<BR>one rack space. Alas, mine died after a decade of se=
rvitude and they<BR>don't make 'em any more. I guess there are few enough o=
f them out there<BR>that they seldom appear on eBay either. I wound up havi=
ng to make do<BR>with an old Roland M-120 with fewer sends but has the virt=
ue of being<BR>built like a tank. I'm always looking out for something to r=
eplace it with.<BR><BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR><BR>"Dif=
ferent is not always better, but better is always different"<BR><BR>http://=
www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>http:/=
/www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOc=
arina<BR>http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>http://=
www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>http://www.indiejazz.c=
om/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR><BR>Ted Killian's "Flux Aeter=
na" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, =
MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cen=
ts, Etherstream,<BR>RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks=
,<BR>and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR><BR>"Just =
because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<BR></DIV></F=
ONT><FONT face=3DGeneva color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></FON=
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~Tim "Spore Crayon" Mungenast


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     I am on the lookout for something similar.  As a keyboard player, I do almost everything in
stereo and rely on stereo FX sends and returns.  For quite a while I was using a Mackie
1604VLZpro, though I found the 16 channels (read 8 stereo) to be at the very limit of what I
commonly used with no room for expansion.  I did like the 6 aux sends (1-4 plus a button push
turns 3/4 into 5/6), and 4 sub outs.  Now if this mixer could be made into a stereo mixer without
all the mic pres...

     About a year ago, I purchased the discontinued Mackie 3204 rack mounted mixer which gives 16
stereo inputs.  This works well as far as supplying a necessary amount of inputs, though the sends
are more limited than on the 1604.  It has two sends, one stereo, one mono that can be routed to
sends 3 and 4 with a pushbutton, again one stereo and one mono.  That is its biggest downfall in
my book, why couldn't they have made all the sends stereo?  And to have four knobs as sends
instead of two knobs and one button switch?  And no submixes?  I'd give up the three eq knobs per
channel to put more sends/submixes and/or make the whole thing smaller.

     Has anyone seen a small 4 rackunit size mixer?  The 3204 is 6 spaces, I'd like more
functionality in less space (and for a good price and I want it yesterday...)  Someone posted a
mixer recently that could do a lot of what I'm asking for, though it cost $5,000.

     The quest continues...

            Stephen









		
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Tim,

In a message dated 01/31/05 8:24:51, mungenast@earthlink.net writes:

> Ted, apropos of nothing, I checked out your CDBaby site, and it was a hoot=
!=20
>=20
> You got some great reviews in there! I may have to add to them sometime=20
> soon.
>=20
Thanks! That'd be nice.

Reviews, ultimately, say as much about the reviewer as the reviewed. I=20
sometimes
don't know whether to laugh or cry -- regardless of the particular review=20
being either
positive or negative.

It's nice when folks catch my quasi-obscuritan influences. But, even when=20
they get=20
'em totally wrong (along with misreading my intentions) it still gives me=20
something=20
to learn from.

I'm just another dumb guitar-wielding bozo among an army of billions on this=
=20
bus.
Meanwhile, I am still struggling to learn how to put on a passably consisten=
t=20
(but still=20
improvised) live show . . . and get another disc out too.=20

Someday.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Ari=
al" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Tim,<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 01/31/05 8:24:51, mungenast@earthlink.net writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE CITE STYLE=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;=20=
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px" TYPE=3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0=
000FF" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Ted, apropos of nothin=
g, I checked out your CDBaby site, and it was a hoot! </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"=
#0000FF" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2=
">You got some great reviews in there! I may have to add to them sometime so=
on.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=
=3D"2"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#FFFFFF" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSER=
IF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2=
">Thanks! That'd be nice.<BR>
<BR>
Reviews, ultimately, say as much about the reviewer as the reviewed. I somet=
imes<BR>
don't know whether to laugh or cry -- regardless of the particular review be=
ing either<BR>
positive or negative.<BR>
<BR>
It's nice when folks catch my quasi-obscuritan influences. But, even when th=
ey get <BR>
'em totally wrong (along with misreading my intentions) it still gives me so=
mething <BR>
to learn from.<BR>
<BR>
I'm just another dumb guitar-wielding bozo among an army of billions on this=
 bus.<BR>
Meanwhile, I am still struggling to learn how to put on a passably consisten=
t (but still <BR>
improvised) live show . . . and get another disc out too. <BR>
<BR>
Someday.<BR>
<BR>
Best regards,<BR>
<BR>
tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR>
<BR>
"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR>
<BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
<BR>
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR>
<BR>
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
2"></FONT></HTML>
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Thanks for the link!
Very cool pedal.
Could be a must-have, BUT it's six times as much as I paid for my Bitrman, and more dough than I make in a week! 
Unless one of you guys wants to buy one of my "unobtanium" pedals (Roland AG-5 Funny Cat, Bruno Fuzz Machine, DOD Gonkulator), I will have to add the Frostwave to the list of stuff I will buy someday when I have more money ;-)
Again, thanks. Knowledge is power.
~Tim

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http://www.frostwave.com/sonicalienator/



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60 cycle hum....drives me insane too. I've been meaning to post
something on this to the group, ways to eliminate it in racks.  

I've tried:

- Separating power chords from audio cables
- Mounting effects with nylon washers (two), inside and outside (don't
worry about the systems they sell for asinine prices on the web...you
can do it for a fraction of the cost by going down to a hardware store
and buying your own nylon washers...boy, I wish I could sell 16 nylon
washers online for $5...what a mark-up)
- Installing a nice Furman power conditioner with so-called zero ground
protection, also cleaning up some of the wall warts
- Tried different outlets and circuits in the house; unplugged other
devices in the circuit, including the computer, lights, reostats, etc
- Changing audio cables
- Running effects in series versus parallel via mixer board AUX channels
- Lifting the ground, adding back the ground
- Removing specific effects from the power and audio chain

...everything short of incantations, hexes, and attempting black magic!
:)

I discovered the wall wart power supplies have a lot to do with
it...they produce some serious electro-magnetic fields. Also, I have a
Lexicon LXP5 and LXP1 that did not come with the original power
supplies, so have ordered two more from Lexicon, just in case. They
should be here any day.  The power supply for my Boss SX700 is a strange
one too. Just picking it up or changing it's direction produces
different degrees of hum.  I may order a new one of that as well.

This issue is very slippery. There are so many factors, and just
tweaking one thing in a system can impact other factors, and visa versa.
Before I built this new rack system, I had absolutely no 60 cycle hum.
Then when I added all those effects in my rack (LXPs, VF-1, Akira, etc)
and their respected power supplies....the hum appeared.  It's definitely
a systematic issue, because one thing does not cause the hum by itself,
and removing one thing does not eliminate it.  In short, nothing is
sufficient or necessary to produce hum...one of those concepts that
baffles philosophers when trying to define a thing, state, or event.

For record, I absolutely loath and despise with every fiber of my being
those freakin' wall wart power supplies. I wish everyone would just
build them internally and use a standard PC power cord, like with the
EDPs.  

Kris





-----Original Message-----
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Another Great Idea, Krispen! As a parent, I remember how much fun the
monitor's static was...I normally hate static, but this was more like
cool artifcats, the "wee--oooo" pseudo-shortwave kind of noise, quite
musical. And the substrate for the artifacts was a rather comforting
hiss. (I can dig a little hiss... it's 60-cycle hum that drives me
insane.)

Sonic 

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How about this...buy youself an inexpensive baby monitor system.  The
cool thing is that it is wireless...plus I think it's a totally
ludicrous use of the technology! :)  You could just put a mic on the
receive side (parent) and put the transmitter side (baby) next to your
sound source (amp, percussion devices, mouth, etc).    I'm thinking you
could do all sorts of clever things with the wireless part, like leaving
your music loops go, and wandering around with the transimtter, corny
audience interaction, etc.

http://www.babyuniverse.com/search.asp?store=baby&searchstring=monitor
(some of these have two receivers, so you could get really clever)

Sorry if someone already suggested this...  Hah!!!

Kris






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  Lifting the ground on ALL the devices that are plugged in
usually fixes the problem. I've noticed that some devices seem
to be worse than others when connected, but ground lifting has
always solved the problem for me.

On Jan 31, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

> 60 cycle hum....drives me insane too. I've been meaning to post
> something on this to the group, ways to eliminate it in racks.
>
> I've tried:
>
> - Separating power chords from audio cables
> - Mounting effects with nylon washers (two), inside and outside (don't
> worry about the systems they sell for asinine prices on the web...you
> can do it for a fraction of the cost by going down to a hardware store
> and buying your own nylon washers...boy, I wish I could sell 16 nylon
> washers online for $5...what a mark-up)
> - Installing a nice Furman power conditioner with so-called zero ground
> protection, also cleaning up some of the wall warts
> - Tried different outlets and circuits in the house; unplugged other
> devices in the circuit, including the computer, lights, reostats, etc
> - Changing audio cables
> - Running effects in series versus parallel via mixer board AUX 
> channels
> - Lifting the ground, adding back the ground
> - Removing specific effects from the power and audio chain
>
> ...everything short of incantations, hexes, and attempting black magic!
> :)
>
> I discovered the wall wart power supplies have a lot to do with
> it...they produce some serious electro-magnetic fields. Also, I have a
> Lexicon LXP5 and LXP1 that did not come with the original power
> supplies, so have ordered two more from Lexicon, just in case. They
> should be here any day.  The power supply for my Boss SX700 is a 
> strange
> one too. Just picking it up or changing it's direction produces
> different degrees of hum.  I may order a new one of that as well.
>
> This issue is very slippery. There are so many factors, and just
> tweaking one thing in a system can impact other factors, and visa 
> versa.
> Before I built this new rack system, I had absolutely no 60 cycle hum.
> Then when I added all those effects in my rack (LXPs, VF-1, Akira, etc)
> and their respected power supplies....the hum appeared.  It's 
> definitely
> a systematic issue, because one thing does not cause the hum by itself,
> and removing one thing does not eliminate it.  In short, nothing is
> sufficient or necessary to produce hum...one of those concepts that
> baffles philosophers when trying to define a thing, state, or event.
>
> For record, I absolutely loath and despise with every fiber of my being
> those freakin' wall wart power supplies. I wish everyone would just
> build them internally and use a standard PC power cord, like with the
> EDPs.
>
> Kris
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mungenast@earthlink.net [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:49 AM
> To: info@krispenhartung.com
> Subject: baby monitor as musical tool RE: emulating a cheap sampling 
> toy
>
>
> Another Great Idea, Krispen! As a parent, I remember how much fun the
> monitor's static was...I normally hate static, but this was more like
> cool artifcats, the "wee--oooo" pseudo-shortwave kind of noise, quite
> musical. And the substrate for the artifacts was a rather comforting
> hiss. (I can dig a little hiss... it's 60-cycle hum that drives me
> insane.)
>
> Sonic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Krispen Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com>
> Sent: Jan 30, 2005 11:22 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>
> How about this...buy youself an inexpensive baby monitor system.  The
> cool thing is that it is wireless...plus I think it's a totally
> ludicrous use of the technology! :)  You could just put a mic on the
> receive side (parent) and put the transmitter side (baby) next to your
> sound source (amp, percussion devices, mouth, etc).    I'm thinking you
> could do all sorts of clever things with the wireless part, like 
> leaving
> your music loops go, and wandering around with the transimtter, corny
> audience interaction, etc.
>
> http://www.babyuniverse.com/search.asp?store=baby&searchstring=monitor
> (some of these have two receivers, so you could get really clever)
>
> Sorry if someone already suggested this...  Hah!!!
>
> Kris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
| Michael A. Firman
| maf@mlswebworks.com
| http://www.mlswebworks.com

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<DIV>No, you are not a bozo on this bus (I get&nbsp;your Firesign reference=
) and the Rubber Bus has not stripped you of all meaning (now&nbsp;I refer =
to&nbsp;my own disc, hee hee!). You are a damned fine musician.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>BTW, I know Flux was done a while ago, and you've had&nbsp;3 years&nbs=
p;to forget your Vortex settings, but if you have ANY clue how you set that=
 box for Leaving Medford (around 7:00), Cauterant Baptism (5:40, where the =
note morphs into a raygun), and Last Sparrow, that would give me a starting=
 point toward creating my own sounds with my recently scored Vortex.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I asked Andre about the insane morphing loop on his tune "Walking Stic=
k," but he did not remember his Vortex settings, alas...he&nbsp;DID say tha=
t it was done by tweezing parameters in real time, and I'm guessing that th=
e Fractal preset was the substrate, the launching pad&nbsp;from which he di=
d his mad science.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>~Tim</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: ArsOcarina@aol.com <B=
R>Sent: Jan 31, 2005 12:16 PM <BR>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <=
BR>Subject: Re: Ted's great site <BR><BR><ZZZHTML><FONT face=3Darial,helvet=
ica><ZZZHTML><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERI=
F">Tim,<BR><BR>In a message dated 01/31/05 8:24:51, mungenast@earthlink.net=
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000=
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ing, I checked out your CDBaby site, and it was a hoot! </FONT><FONT face=
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e=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">You got some great =
reviews in there! I may have to add to them sometime soon.</FONT><FONT face=
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ERIF">Thanks! That'd be nice.<BR><BR>Reviews, ultimately, say as much about=
 the reviewer as the reviewed. I sometimes<BR>don't know whether to laugh o=
r cry -- regardless of the particular review being either<BR>positive or ne=
gative.<BR><BR>It's nice when folks catch my quasi-obscuritan influences. B=
ut, even when they get <BR>'em totally wrong (along with misreading my inte=
ntions) it still gives me something <BR>to learn from.<BR><BR>I'm just anot=
her dumb guitar-wielding bozo among an army of billions on this bus.<BR>Mea=
nwhile, I am still struggling to learn how to put on a passably consistent =
(but still <BR>improvised) live show . . . and get another disc out too. <B=
R><BR>Someday.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR><BR>"Differen=
t is not always better, but better is always different"<BR><BR>http://www.p=
fmentum.com/flux.html<BR>http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>http://www.=
guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina=
<BR>http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>http://www.n=
etmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>http://www.indiejazz.com/Pr=
oductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR><BR>Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" i=
s also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, Music=
Net, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, E=
therstream,<BR>RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>=
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR><BR>"Just becau=
se nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<BR></DIV></FONT><=
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Very cool. I just now realized that my late father's microcassette recorder makes my guitar (or anything else) sound like an ole-timey Library o' Congress  field recording, which is cool for home-studio experiments but does not help me in concert.  
I need something I can play through that will get that sound and other related sounds in real time, in front of "the paying customers." 
In the meantime, it's time to access Krispen's sonic links and learn something ;-)
~Tim


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I just bought a XONIX watch at Fry's.   It was $139 dollars with a $30 
rebate.

It has a cheap microphone onboard and 256 megs of RAM.    It will record 
anything you record
(with a ton of onboard noise to go with your sample) and play it back with 
stereo headphones (yes, it has
a mini-mini stereo jack on it).

It also (get this) has a USB connector underneath the watch band and you can 
upload or download files, mp3,
.wmv files and the aforementioned recordings to your PC (sorry Mac 
folks........another wierd assed program that only
works on the dark side of the computer world).

What a wonderful world we live in, eh?

I bought it to start recording lyric ideas for my next record, but I've 
found myself recording all kinds of wierd
'found' and industrial sounds.       One sound I got recorded was of a 
sliding glass door that sounded as if it was
some banshee screaming from hell on another planet..................such a 
cool and musical sound. 


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 Arrrrrrgh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( 
Gadzooks don't it drive you nuts? I am working on some prototype violin
transducer systems hum is bad enough in crude prototypes but, it gets to be
a real pain to determine if your connections are bad or a component is
humming aieeeeeeee!!!
Heck even my mixer has hum if the gain is set high enough *head shaking*

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 12:46 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic

60 cycle hum....drives me insane too. I've been meaning to post something on
this to the group, ways to eliminate it in racks.  

I've tried:

- Separating power chords from audio cables
- Mounting effects with nylon washers (two), inside and outside (don't worry
about the systems they sell for asinine prices on the web...you can do it
for a fraction of the cost by going down to a hardware store and buying your
own nylon washers...boy, I wish I could sell 16 nylon washers online for
$5...what a mark-up)
- Installing a nice Furman power conditioner with so-called zero ground
protection, also cleaning up some of the wall warts
- Tried different outlets and circuits in the house; unplugged other devices
in the circuit, including the computer, lights, reostats, etc
- Changing audio cables
- Running effects in series versus parallel via mixer board AUX channels
- Lifting the ground, adding back the ground
- Removing specific effects from the power and audio chain

...everything short of incantations, hexes, and attempting black magic!
:)

I discovered the wall wart power supplies have a lot to do with it...they
produce some serious electro-magnetic fields. Also, I have a Lexicon LXP5
and LXP1 that did not come with the original power supplies, so have ordered
two more from Lexicon, just in case. They should be here any day.  The power
supply for my Boss SX700 is a strange one too. Just picking it up or
changing it's direction produces different degrees of hum.  I may order a
new one of that as well.

This issue is very slippery. There are so many factors, and just tweaking
one thing in a system can impact other factors, and visa versa.
Before I built this new rack system, I had absolutely no 60 cycle hum.
Then when I added all those effects in my rack (LXPs, VF-1, Akira, etc) and
their respected power supplies....the hum appeared.  It's definitely a
systematic issue, because one thing does not cause the hum by itself, and
removing one thing does not eliminate it.  In short, nothing is sufficient
or necessary to produce hum...one of those concepts that baffles
philosophers when trying to define a thing, state, or event.

For record, I absolutely loath and despise with every fiber of my being
those freakin' wall wart power supplies. I wish everyone would just build
them internally and use a standard PC power cord, like with the EDPs.  

Kris





-----Original Message-----
From: mungenast@earthlink.net [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:49 AM
To: info@krispenhartung.com
Subject: baby monitor as musical tool RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy


Another Great Idea, Krispen! As a parent, I remember how much fun the
monitor's static was...I normally hate static, but this was more like
cool artifcats, the "wee--oooo" pseudo-shortwave kind of noise, quite
musical. And the substrate for the artifacts was a rather comforting
hiss. (I can dig a little hiss... it's 60-cycle hum that drives me
insane.)

Sonic 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Jan 30, 2005 11:22 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy

How about this...buy youself an inexpensive baby monitor system.  The
cool thing is that it is wireless...plus I think it's a totally
ludicrous use of the technology! :)  You could just put a mic on the
receive side (parent) and put the transmitter side (baby) next to your
sound source (amp, percussion devices, mouth, etc).    I'm thinking you
could do all sorts of clever things with the wireless part, like leaving
your music loops go, and wandering around with the transimtter, corny
audience interaction, etc.

http://www.babyuniverse.com/search.asp?store=baby&searchstring=monitor
(some of these have two receivers, so you could get really clever)

Sorry if someone already suggested this...  Hah!!!

Kris







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For authentic old-timey analog "futzing" or "worldizing", a common 
film-sound tool is a coffin-sized heavy box lined with foam or 
insulation containing a torn radio speaker (or whatever) and a mic. If 
DSP simulations leave you wanting it might be fun to try building a 
stomp-box sized version of this idea...

On Jan 31, 2005, at 10:24 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:

> Very cool. I just now realized that my late father's microcassette 
> recorder makes my guitar (or anything else) sound like an ole-timey 
> Library o' Congress  field recording, which is cool for home-studio 
> experiments but does not help me in concert.
> I need something I can play through that will get that sound and other 
> related sounds in real time, in front of "the paying customers."
> In the meantime, it's time to access Krispen's sonic links and learn 
> something ;-)
> ~Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Jan 30, 2005 5:42 AM
> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Subject: Re: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>
> I just bought a XONIX watch at Fry's.   It was $139 dollars with a $30
> rebate.
>
> It has a cheap microphone onboard and 256 megs of RAM.    It will 
> record
> anything you record
> (with a ton of onboard noise to go with your sample) and play it back 
> with
> stereo headphones (yes, it has
> a mini-mini stereo jack on it).
>
> It also (get this) has a USB connector underneath the watch band and 
> you can
> upload or download files, mp3,
> .wmv files and the aforementioned recordings to your PC (sorry Mac
> folks........another wierd assed program that only
> works on the dark side of the computer world).
>
> What a wonderful world we live in, eh?
>
> I bought it to start recording lyric ideas for my next record, but I've
> found myself recording all kinds of wierd
> 'found' and industrial sounds.       One sound I got recorded was of a
> sliding glass door that sounded as if it was
> some banshee screaming from hell on another 
> planet..................such a
> cool and musical sound.
>
>

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Frostwave makes the most interesting stomp boxes around IMO. All their
products (including the Sonic Alienator) are built extrodinarily well and
are very creative doing things most "normal" filters, autowahs, etc never
do. 

I use the Fat Controller (sold my Arp and Doepher Sequencers once it
arrived) a Resonantor, and a Spacebeam Theremin which is the best pitch
only theremin I have ever used; rock solid with virtually NO drift, good
variety of tones and features. 

The Sonic Alientor is for sound freaks and explorers. It is an
extrodinarily high quality piece (that can make things sound like a fire
hydrant :)) IMO an analogy between the Bitrateman and the Frostwave would
be like an Arion Phaser pedal vs a Roland SPH323 rack unit. More depth and
flexibilty of sound, superior build and feel, and far superior sound
quality. 

The are more expensive (and worse since the US dollar is doing so
poorly) but I rationalize it by saying buying a frostwave is like buying
an instrument, not an effect. YMMV.



On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, wavecomputer360 wrote:

> IŽd be curious if the FW is ruder than the Bitrman by Alesis. My bet would
> be "ruder" but does anybody know for sure?
> > http://www.frostwave.com/sonicalienator/




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I know some of you have Fernandes sustainers fitted to your guitars, so =
was wondering if you could help me out , off list if ness.

I recently bought a fernandes sustainer kit to install it on my baritone =
guitar.

I had it installed by a guitar technician here, but im sure something is =
wrong. It squeals the whole time, even though i have adjusted the =
trimpots as directed (and tried extreme settings on these to TRY to =
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I realise that having it on a baritone is somewhat different to normal, =
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i thought at least THEY would work. Indeed I CAN get some operation on =
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getting an effect like the "harmonic" setting sould be.=20

When I try the "harmonic " setting I get just intense high pitched =
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I do know what it SHOULD be like, as I have tried a fernandes guitar in =
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piercing NOISE!!! (the merzbow side of me LIKES it, but the fripp side =
of me doesnt!!!)

I have searched on the web for people with similar problems, but can =
only find glowing reviews, so im sure something is up!!

Is it simply wired incorrectly (in which case I will return it to the =
technician to fix) , or something else.. can you give me something to =
try??? HELP!!!!



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Fellow Loopers,

It's that time again, Atomic Mobius Machine is playing live, for you, on the
internet. As usual the show will run 8pm-2am/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. 

Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music
(we've started calling it 'ambient loopadelic'), and features Dan Moore, Ross
Artese, and myself, on various musical instruments, electronics, and computers.


Please tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, February
5th, at 8pm/pst for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a
shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp
(www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you
on the Mac, and XMMS (www.xmms.org/) under Linux... 

AwesomeRadio serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements.
Here are the addresses to use: 

broadband radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 
24/22 mono radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 
16/16 mono radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 

Atomic Mobius Machine broadcasts a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband
stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of
the other addresses. 

Feel free to visit our website: www.atomomach.com. 

AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a
Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for
Windows. The IRC network is irc.SoundNWaves.net, and the channel is
#awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but
there will be other listeners in there, so... 

I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) 

peace
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Hey gang,=20

Some of you like this sort of stuff so I just thought=20
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up there. There's only about an hour left though=20
so you'd better hurry! Go to . . .

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Well, as I've said, I adore my Bitrman, I love everything about it EXCEPT its bit reduction: it is not nearly as much fun as I thought it would be. Not the fun, fuzzy, amusing sound I'd hoped, but a kind of BRAA...AK...AK..K...KK..KKKKK (gag, choke, splort!)..KKK.
That sound may fill a need someday, but it's not the "charmingly incompetent" sound I was looking for.
~Tim


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IŽd be curious if the FW is ruder than the Bitrman by Alesis. My bet would
be "ruder" but does anybody know for sure?

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I've had fernandes installed on 2 Guitars one of them a doublenecked
fretted/fretless

I had a lot of trouble ( squealing noices , low effect ) and had to
exchange them for new ones=20

according to my guitarbuilder who built the guitars and installed the
sustainers,

( http://www.nevbornguitars.com/ )=20

it was a faulty circuit on 2 kits.

Gunnar Backman

Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics

E-mail  brakophonic@telia.com

http://www.brakophonic.com

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Kris -

I sympathize with your predicament.  But as you say, you've not tried
*everything* yet.

> ...everything short of incantations, hexes, and attempting black magic!

So, here are two sites for you to explore so you leave NO stone unturned...
     -    http://www.pinstruck.com/curse.php3
     -    http://www.spelwerx.com/

:-)

On a more serious note, try this.

1) Use the hum in your work.  One time I encountered a ridiculous amount of
hum when I entered a recording studio.  So, I just used it, and even worked
on amplifying it to get enough signal to record it "well."   Of course, once
you're known in town as "Hummin' Hartung" it might be time to look for other
solutions.

2) Try breaking your tightly packed rig into two cases instead of one -- 
i.e. leave space between effects.  If you have a bunch of "cheaper" effects
(<$400) they may be inte-RF-ing with eachother.  Do I remember you just
bought a VORTEX?  That sucka sure adds some dynamo-hum to my rig.  Anyway,
separating the effects across two road cases with spaces can have another
benefit: less strain on your back.

3) Use short and shielded cables - never wrap them or run them in circles to
"neaten them up."  That only amplifies their antennae characteristics.

David


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> 60 cycle hum....drives me insane too. I've been meaning to post
> something on this to the group, ways to eliminate it in racks.
>
> I've tried:
>
> - Separating power chords from audio cables
> - Mounting effects with nylon washers (two), inside and outside (don't
> worry about the systems they sell for asinine prices on the web...you
> can do it for a fraction of the cost by going down to a hardware store
> and buying your own nylon washers...boy, I wish I could sell 16 nylon
> washers online for $5...what a mark-up)
> - Installing a nice Furman power conditioner with so-called zero ground
> protection, also cleaning up some of the wall warts
> - Tried different outlets and circuits in the house; unplugged other
> devices in the circuit, including the computer, lights, reostats, etc
> - Changing audio cables
> - Running effects in series versus parallel via mixer board AUX channels
> - Lifting the ground, adding back the ground
> - Removing specific effects from the power and audio chain
>
> ...everything short of incantations, hexes, and attempting black magic!
> :)
>
> I discovered the wall wart power supplies have a lot to do with
> it...they produce some serious electro-magnetic fields. Also, I have a
> Lexicon LXP5 and LXP1 that did not come with the original power
> supplies, so have ordered two more from Lexicon, just in case. They
> should be here any day.  The power supply for my Boss SX700 is a strange
> one too. Just picking it up or changing it's direction produces
> different degrees of hum.  I may order a new one of that as well.
>
> This issue is very slippery. There are so many factors, and just
> tweaking one thing in a system can impact other factors, and visa versa.
> Before I built this new rack system, I had absolutely no 60 cycle hum.
> Then when I added all those effects in my rack (LXPs, VF-1, Akira, etc)
> and their respected power supplies....the hum appeared.  It's definitely
> a systematic issue, because one thing does not cause the hum by itself,
> and removing one thing does not eliminate it.  In short, nothing is
> sufficient or necessary to produce hum...one of those concepts that
> baffles philosophers when trying to define a thing, state, or event.
>
> For record, I absolutely loath and despise with every fiber of my being
> those freakin' wall wart power supplies. I wish everyone would just
> build them internally and use a standard PC power cord, like with the
> EDPs.
>
> Kris
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mungenast@earthlink.net [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:49 AM
> To: info@krispenhartung.com
> Subject: baby monitor as musical tool RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>
>
> Another Great Idea, Krispen! As a parent, I remember how much fun the
> monitor's static was...I normally hate static, but this was more like
> cool artifcats, the "wee--oooo" pseudo-shortwave kind of noise, quite
> musical. And the substrate for the artifacts was a rather comforting
> hiss. (I can dig a little hiss... it's 60-cycle hum that drives me
> insane.)
>
> Sonic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Krispen Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com>
> Sent: Jan 30, 2005 11:22 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>
> How about this...buy youself an inexpensive baby monitor system.  The
> cool thing is that it is wireless...plus I think it's a totally
> ludicrous use of the technology! :)  You could just put a mic on the
> receive side (parent) and put the transmitter side (baby) next to your
> sound source (amp, percussion devices, mouth, etc).    I'm thinking you
> could do all sorts of clever things with the wireless part, like leaving
> your music loops go, and wandering around with the transimtter, corny
> audience interaction, etc.
>
> http://www.babyuniverse.com/search.asp?store=baby&searchstring=monitor
> (some of these have two receivers, so you could get really clever)
>
> Sorry if someone already suggested this...  Hah!!!
>
> Kris
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Kris -

I sympathize with your predicament.  But as you say, you've not tried
*everything* yet.

> ...everything short of incantations, hexes, and attempting black magic!

So, here are two sites for you to explore so you leave NO stone unturned...
     -    http://www.pinstruck.com/curse.php3
     -    http://www.spelwerx.com/

:-)

On a more serious note, try this.

1) Use the hum in your work.  One time I encountered a ridiculous amount of
hum when I entered a recording studio.  So, I just used it, and even worked
on amplifying it to get enough signal to record it "well."   Of course, once
you're known in town as "Hummin' Hartung" it might be time to look for other
solutions.

2) Try breaking your tightly packed rig into two cases instead of one -- 
i.e. leave space between effects.  If you have a bunch of "cheaper" effects
(<$400) they may be inte-RF-ing with eachother.  Do I remember you just
bought a VORTEX?  That sucka sure adds some dynamo-hum to my rig.  Anyway,
separating the effects across two road cases with spaces can have another
benefit: less strain on your back.

3) Use short and shielded cables - never wrap them or run them in circles to
"neaten them up."  That only amplifies their antennae characteristics.

David


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> 60 cycle hum....drives me insane too. I've been meaning to post
> something on this to the group, ways to eliminate it in racks.
>
> I've tried:
>
> - Separating power chords from audio cables
> - Mounting effects with nylon washers (two), inside and outside (don't
> worry about the systems they sell for asinine prices on the web...you
> can do it for a fraction of the cost by going down to a hardware store
> and buying your own nylon washers...boy, I wish I could sell 16 nylon
> washers online for $5...what a mark-up)
> - Installing a nice Furman power conditioner with so-called zero ground
> protection, also cleaning up some of the wall warts
> - Tried different outlets and circuits in the house; unplugged other
> devices in the circuit, including the computer, lights, reostats, etc
> - Changing audio cables
> - Running effects in series versus parallel via mixer board AUX channels
> - Lifting the ground, adding back the ground
> - Removing specific effects from the power and audio chain
>
> ...everything short of incantations, hexes, and attempting black magic!
> :)
>
> I discovered the wall wart power supplies have a lot to do with
> it...they produce some serious electro-magnetic fields. Also, I have a
> Lexicon LXP5 and LXP1 that did not come with the original power
> supplies, so have ordered two more from Lexicon, just in case. They
> should be here any day.  The power supply for my Boss SX700 is a strange
> one too. Just picking it up or changing it's direction produces
> different degrees of hum.  I may order a new one of that as well.
>
> This issue is very slippery. There are so many factors, and just
> tweaking one thing in a system can impact other factors, and visa versa.
> Before I built this new rack system, I had absolutely no 60 cycle hum.
> Then when I added all those effects in my rack (LXPs, VF-1, Akira, etc)
> and their respected power supplies....the hum appeared.  It's definitely
> a systematic issue, because one thing does not cause the hum by itself,
> and removing one thing does not eliminate it.  In short, nothing is
> sufficient or necessary to produce hum...one of those concepts that
> baffles philosophers when trying to define a thing, state, or event.
>
> For record, I absolutely loath and despise with every fiber of my being
> those freakin' wall wart power supplies. I wish everyone would just
> build them internally and use a standard PC power cord, like with the
> EDPs.
>
> Kris
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mungenast@earthlink.net [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:49 AM
> To: info@krispenhartung.com
> Subject: baby monitor as musical tool RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>
>
> Another Great Idea, Krispen! As a parent, I remember how much fun the
> monitor's static was...I normally hate static, but this was more like
> cool artifcats, the "wee--oooo" pseudo-shortwave kind of noise, quite
> musical. And the substrate for the artifacts was a rather comforting
> hiss. (I can dig a little hiss... it's 60-cycle hum that drives me
> insane.)
>
> Sonic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Krispen Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com>
> Sent: Jan 30, 2005 11:22 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>
> How about this...buy youself an inexpensive baby monitor system.  The
> cool thing is that it is wireless...plus I think it's a totally
> ludicrous use of the technology! :)  You could just put a mic on the
> receive side (parent) and put the transmitter side (baby) next to your
> sound source (amp, percussion devices, mouth, etc).    I'm thinking you
> could do all sorts of clever things with the wireless part, like leaving
> your music loops go, and wandering around with the transimtter, corny
> audience interaction, etc.
>
> http://www.babyuniverse.com/search.asp?store=baby&searchstring=monitor
> (some of these have two receivers, so you could get really clever)
>
> Sorry if someone already suggested this...  Hah!!!
>
> Kris
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Kris -

I sympathize with your predicament.  But as you say, you've not tried
*everything* yet.

> ...everything short of incantations, hexes, and attempting black magic!

So, here are two sites for you to explore so you leave NO stone unturned...
     -    http://www.pinstruck.com/curse.php3
     -    http://www.spelwerx.com/

:-)

On a more serious note, try this.

1) Use the hum in your work.  One time I encountered a ridiculous amount of
hum when I entered a recording studio.  So, I just used it, and even worked
on amplifying it to get enough signal to record it "well."   Of course, once
you're known in town as "Hummin' Hartung" it might be time to look for other
solutions.

2) Try breaking your tightly packed rig into two cases instead of one -- 
i.e. leave space between effects.  If you have a bunch of "cheaper" effects
(<$400) they may be inte-RF-ing with eachother.  Do I remember you just
bought a VORTEX?  That sucka sure adds some dynamo-hum to my rig.  Anyway,
separating the effects across two road cases with spaces can have another
benefit: less strain on your back.

3) Use short and shielded cables - never wrap them or run them in circles to
"neaten them up."  That only amplifies their antennae characteristics.

David


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Krispen Hartung" <info@krispenhartung.com>
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Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 12:45 PM
Subject: 60 cycle hum in racks - stopping the insanity / share your magic


> 60 cycle hum....drives me insane too. I've been meaning to post
> something on this to the group, ways to eliminate it in racks.
>
> I've tried:
>
> - Separating power chords from audio cables
> - Mounting effects with nylon washers (two), inside and outside (don't
> worry about the systems they sell for asinine prices on the web...you
> can do it for a fraction of the cost by going down to a hardware store
> and buying your own nylon washers...boy, I wish I could sell 16 nylon
> washers online for $5...what a mark-up)
> - Installing a nice Furman power conditioner with so-called zero ground
> protection, also cleaning up some of the wall warts
> - Tried different outlets and circuits in the house; unplugged other
> devices in the circuit, including the computer, lights, reostats, etc
> - Changing audio cables
> - Running effects in series versus parallel via mixer board AUX channels
> - Lifting the ground, adding back the ground
> - Removing specific effects from the power and audio chain
>
> ...everything short of incantations, hexes, and attempting black magic!
> :)
>
> I discovered the wall wart power supplies have a lot to do with
> it...they produce some serious electro-magnetic fields. Also, I have a
> Lexicon LXP5 and LXP1 that did not come with the original power
> supplies, so have ordered two more from Lexicon, just in case. They
> should be here any day.  The power supply for my Boss SX700 is a strange
> one too. Just picking it up or changing it's direction produces
> different degrees of hum.  I may order a new one of that as well.
>
> This issue is very slippery. There are so many factors, and just
> tweaking one thing in a system can impact other factors, and visa versa.
> Before I built this new rack system, I had absolutely no 60 cycle hum.
> Then when I added all those effects in my rack (LXPs, VF-1, Akira, etc)
> and their respected power supplies....the hum appeared.  It's definitely
> a systematic issue, because one thing does not cause the hum by itself,
> and removing one thing does not eliminate it.  In short, nothing is
> sufficient or necessary to produce hum...one of those concepts that
> baffles philosophers when trying to define a thing, state, or event.
>
> For record, I absolutely loath and despise with every fiber of my being
> those freakin' wall wart power supplies. I wish everyone would just
> build them internally and use a standard PC power cord, like with the
> EDPs.
>
> Kris
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mungenast@earthlink.net [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:49 AM
> To: info@krispenhartung.com
> Subject: baby monitor as musical tool RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>
>
> Another Great Idea, Krispen! As a parent, I remember how much fun the
> monitor's static was...I normally hate static, but this was more like
> cool artifcats, the "wee--oooo" pseudo-shortwave kind of noise, quite
> musical. And the substrate for the artifacts was a rather comforting
> hiss. (I can dig a little hiss... it's 60-cycle hum that drives me
> insane.)
>
> Sonic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Krispen Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com>
> Sent: Jan 30, 2005 11:22 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: RE: emulating a cheap sampling toy
>
> How about this...buy youself an inexpensive baby monitor system.  The
> cool thing is that it is wireless...plus I think it's a totally
> ludicrous use of the technology! :)  You could just put a mic on the
> receive side (parent) and put the transmitter side (baby) next to your
> sound source (amp, percussion devices, mouth, etc).    I'm thinking you
> could do all sorts of clever things with the wireless part, like leaving
> your music loops go, and wandering around with the transimtter, corny
> audience interaction, etc.
>
> http://www.babyuniverse.com/search.asp?store=baby&searchstring=monitor
> (some of these have two receivers, so you could get really clever)
>
> Sorry if someone already suggested this...  Hah!!!
>
> Kris
>
>
>
>
>
>

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I'll be in NYC for a few days at the beginning of
March  (4th-9th) with a fairly open schedule and an
abbreviated version of some sorta instrument>hardware
looping rig configuration; anyone wanna play?

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It's funny you mention the Arion phaser. I  found a setting that sounds
somewhere between furious underwater bubbling and the sound on '60s Star
Trek shows where something would appear out of
nowhere...BDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD. My bandmates laughed their asses off, and
for 20-something dollars, I can't really ask for more than that. Sure, the
iffy build quality is a drag, but for now, it's a hoot. (Early versions of
their plastic chorus are going for about $150 now.)
Having said all that, I'm sure the Alienator is worth it if you can swing
it.
Tim 


> [Original Message]
> From: Legion <legion@helpwantedproductions.com>
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> Date: 1/31/2005 2:03:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Sonic Alienator - bit reduction / decimation pedal
>
>
> Frostwave makes the most interesting stomp boxes around IMO. All their
> products (including the Sonic Alienator) are built extrodinarily well and
> are very creative doing things most "normal" filters, autowahs, etc never
> do. 
>
> I use the Fat Controller (sold my Arp and Doepher Sequencers once it
> arrived) a Resonantor, and a Spacebeam Theremin which is the best pitch
> only theremin I have ever used; rock solid with virtually NO drift, good
> variety of tones and features. 
>
> The Sonic Alientor is for sound freaks and explorers. It is an
> extrodinarily high quality piece (that can make things sound like a fire
> hydrant :)) IMO an analogy between the Bitrateman and the Frostwave would
> be like an Arion Phaser pedal vs a Roland SPH323 rack unit. More depth and
> flexibilty of sound, superior build and feel, and far superior sound
> quality. 
>
> The are more expensive (and worse since the US dollar is doing so
> poorly) but I rationalize it by saying buying a frostwave is like buying
> an instrument, not an effect. YMMV.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, wavecomputer360 wrote:
>
> > IŽd be curious if the FW is ruder than the Bitrman by Alesis. My bet
would
> > be "ruder" but does anybody know for sure?
> > > http://www.frostwave.com/sonicalienator/
>
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In the past I've had good luck with this process for mounting
line lumps in the back of a wooden rack: Turn the gear on and
listen to everything loud with headphones on, while you move the
power lump about in the back. Try turning it in various directions
and rotating it too. When you find a quiet spot that doesn't block
access to your ins and outs - attach it with soft metal straps
or velcro or whatever works for you. This may be trickier with
lots of lumps and/or warts.

The other fellow in dreamSTATE built a rack with all the warts
latched to a back panel which he removes at the gig and places
on the floor away from the units. They're all plugged in and
ready to go. Good luck!

Cheers,
Scott M2

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