From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 08:58:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41CuhH21126; Sat, 1 May 2004 08:56:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 08:56:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4091E39C.30205@proaxis.com> References: <4091E39C.30205@proaxis.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 01:37:57 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Paradis polyphonic nylon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Is the relevant hardware available? Special cable, Polysubbass, etc. yes -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 10:20:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41EIHs02434; Sat, 1 May 2004 10:18:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 10:18:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c42f87$2403b650$e0154ed5@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: <001101c42d71$87f4ac90$6501a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 15:18:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Also, as a side note, I've figured out how to loop all my instruments > (acoustic guitar, sitar, and tablas) with the same looping unit. I > basically run my looper unit through the aux. channel of my mixing > board. More specifically, I run the Aux 1 send of my mixing board to > the input of the looping unit, then the output of the looping unit to > one of the mixing board channels. Then, with my stereo effects unit > running though the other Aux 2 channel, I add that stereo effect to the > looping unit signal. I can loop as many instruments as there are > available channels on my board, plus adding a separate effect level on > the looping unit. If I get another Echoplex, I'll run them in the Aux > loop as well, inserting them first in the chain before returning to the > board's input. This is no dissimilar to how I run mine... I've got two auxes, in one I have two Echoplexes - so a mono in to each of them. I have them brother sync'd so I can pan multiple layers if I want to, even though I'm not looping in true stereo yet. In the other aux, I have my recently aquired second MPX-G2, which has my Kaoss Pad in its effects loop. So I can run either loop, or the signal coming from G2 #1 into the second G2, which can then have the Kaoss signal either mixed with the other signal, or just Kaoss through extra G2 processing. It's a bit mind boggling at the moment, and I'm going to buy a Mackie 1402 desk soon so that I can record all the outputs from these millions of channels into separate ins on my computer, rather than the stereo set up I have at the moment... Steve www.stevelawson.net (new improved flava!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 10:25:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41EObk03669; Sat, 1 May 2004 10:24:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 10:24:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <010901c42f88$0297d860$b800a8c0@yourwe00mbdwhn> From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: which one?? Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:24:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0106_01C42F98.C5C4F3D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C42F98.C5C4F3D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi guys, im looking for a tool for creating guitar layers and soundscapes like = torn or fripp did. i cant afford the echoplex. any advice ? boomerang or rc-20 ? thanks alot. greetings jens. ------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C42F98.C5C4F3D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi guys,
 
im looking for a tool for creating = guitar layers=20 and soundscapes like torn or fripp did. i cant afford the=20 echoplex.
any advice ? boomerang or rc-20 = ?
 
thanks alot.
greetings jens.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C42F98.C5C4F3D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 10:44:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41EfGs05591; Sat, 1 May 2004 10:41:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 10:41:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.40] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: which one?? Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 14:41:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2004 14:41:04.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[54906CC0:01C42F8A] Resent-Message-ID: <0FF4UC.A.NXB.Mc7kAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Im gonna say check out the DL-4 and the DD-20 if you want evolving loop based soundscapes on a tight buget, theyre both cheap. Phill Wilson >From: "Jens Wolters" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: which one?? >Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:24:27 +0200 > >hi guys, > >im looking for a tool for creating guitar layers and soundscapes like torn >or fripp did. i cant afford the echoplex. >any advice ? boomerang or rc-20 ? > >thanks alot. >greetings jens. _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 11:31:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41FSdW14561; Sat, 1 May 2004 11:28:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 11:28:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20040501082740.01cb6090@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix2004@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 08:28:35 -0700 To: "Looper's Delight" From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Loopstock Today!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not too late to get here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 11:31:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41FSab14527; Sat, 1 May 2004 11:28:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 11:28:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <198.28e43dcc.2dc51c18@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 11:28:24 EDT Subject: Steve Lawson's "For The Love of Open Spaces" CD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i41FSap14501 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, I finally broke down and ordered this disk from CD Baby a week or so ago. It arrived the day before yesterday and has hardly left my CD changer. It's such a beautiful collection of improvised tracks -- duets of looped bass and flute/sax. I have Steve's previous two disks (one of solo bass and one of bass/piano duets) and enjoy them too. But this one is truly marvelous. I'm afraid to admit that I held off getting it 'cause I'm not a big fan of flute music in general. But, I highly recommend this to anyone who appreciates great musicianship and real melodies. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 11:32:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41FVFw15199; Sat, 1 May 2004 11:31:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 11:31:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <57.2b233541.2dc51cba@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 11:31:06 EDT Subject: Re: Loopstock Today!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i41FVFp15173 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/1/04 8:29:11 AM, armatronix2004@sbcglobal.net writes: >It's not too late to get here. Hans, Break a leg . . . or a pick or a stick!!! Wish I coud be there. It IS too late for me. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 12:04:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41G2Dn23135; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:02:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 12:02:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200405011258.i41CwY821460@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200405011258.i41CwY821460@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 09:02:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i41G2Cp23109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, a pair of EDP can be configured to run in stereo. All you need is two EDP and a stereo cable for the Brothersync. It's discussed here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ4.html and in the EDP manual (page 2-7 "Stereo Operation"), available in pdf format online at: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html Your biggest problem will be finding a second EDP to buy at this point, due to constrained supply on the manufacturing end. TravisH On May 1, 2004, at 5:58 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? > > > Hello folks - > > I currently play the acoustic guitar with the Boomerang and Boss Loop > Station, and I ordered the Echoplex last week….should be here any day. > > It's unfortunate that most of these looping units are mono….I've > always played in stereo, using rich choruses, panned delays, stereo > reverbs, etc, but I also like to create loops with different effects > on each layer. I read that you can link two Echoplex units, > controlling them with the same foot controller. If this is true, I > will likely order another Echoplex soon. Does anyone have experience > with this? I basically want to run out of a few stereo rack effect > units into two Echoplex units. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 12:05:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41G45v23666; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:04:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 12:04:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 09:04:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004001c42f87$2403b650$e0154ed5@trucknutz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Who gives a rats ass? er, um , I mean, Jeepers, that is realy interesting how you plug your stuff in. Love Bill -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 7:18 AM To: Loop List Subject: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? > Also, as a side note, I've figured out how to loop all my instruments > (acoustic guitar, sitar, and tablas) with the same looping unit. I > basically run my looper unit through the aux. channel of my mixing > board. More specifically, I run the Aux 1 send of my mixing board to > the input of the looping unit, then the output of the looping unit to > one of the mixing board channels. Then, with my stereo effects unit > running though the other Aux 2 channel, I add that stereo effect to the > looping unit signal. I can loop as many instruments as there are > available channels on my board, plus adding a separate effect level on > the looping unit. If I get another Echoplex, I'll run them in the Aux > loop as well, inserting them first in the chain before returning to the > board's input. This is no dissimilar to how I run mine... I've got two auxes, in one I have two Echoplexes - so a mono in to each of them. I have them brother sync'd so I can pan multiple layers if I want to, even though I'm not looping in true stereo yet. In the other aux, I have my recently aquired second MPX-G2, which has my Kaoss Pad in its effects loop. So I can run either loop, or the signal coming from G2 #1 into the second G2, which can then have the Kaoss signal either mixed with the other signal, or just Kaoss through extra G2 processing. It's a bit mind boggling at the moment, and I'm going to buy a Mackie 1402 desk soon so that I can record all the outputs from these millions of channels into separate ins on my computer, rather than the stereo set up I have at the moment... Steve www.stevelawson.net (new improved flava!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 12:35:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41GTC430421; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:29:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 12:29:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.205.231.195] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopstock Today!!! Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 16:29:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2004 16:29:03.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A6433B0:01C42F99] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Hans Lindauer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Looper's Delight" >Subject: Loopstock Today!!! >Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 08:28:35 -0700 > >It's not too late to get here. > > I am already there! See ya in a few......and hope to see a bunch of you other loopsters, too! Max _________________________________________________________________ Getting married? Find tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 12:57:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41GuKx04853; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:56:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 12:56:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tom@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040501082740.01cb6090@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040501082740.01cb6090@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 12:55:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Loopstock Today!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It's not too late to get here. yes it is, I'm in New York! sob! /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 13:36:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41HYS711114; Sat, 1 May 2004 13:34:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 13:34:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 19:34:20 +0200 Message-Id: <414951565@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Frieder Zimmermann" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i41HYRp11090 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, I think, i did everything what is described in the faq and in the manual about stereo operation. but i still have problems with sync: after some minutes the plexes go out of sync, the slave gets a bit faster. who can help? frieder ps: i've checked the cabels.... Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com schrieb am 01.05.04 18:02:23: Yes, a pair of EDP can be configured to run in stereo. All you need is two EDP and a stereo cable for the Brothersync. It's discussed here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ4.html and in the EDP manual (page 2-7 "Stereo Operation"), available in pdf format online at: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html Your biggest problem will be finding a second EDP to buy at this point, due to constrained supply on the manufacturing end. TravisH On May 1, 2004, at 5:58 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? > > > Hello folks - > > I currently play the acoustic guitar with the Boomerang and Boss Loop > Station, and I ordered the Echoplex last week….should be here any day. > > It's unfortunate that most of these looping units are mono….I've > always played in stereo, using rich choruses, panned delays, stereo > reverbs, etc, but I also like to create loops with different effects > on each layer. I read that you can link two Echoplex units, > controlling them with the same foot controller. If this is true, I > will likely order another Echoplex soon. Does anyone have experience > with this? I basically want to run out of a few stereo rack effect > units into two Echoplex units. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 16:30:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41KSek11269; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:28:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:28:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c42fbb$df3e2c00$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 1 Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:35:42 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <7-2wY.A.6vC.4hAlAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The "PiNG AMBiENCE 2" CD is now available online at www.pingthings.com for those of you living outside of Toronto who'd like to hear some of what's been happening here - and rik maclean has written an extensive track by track review for this week's PiNG update. Enjoy... Scott M2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday May 4th 2004 - RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 1 featuring Allison Cameron, James Bailey & Michael Waterman A special presentation for Deep Wireless, in collaboration with New Adventures in Sound Art, featuring experimental artists making extensive use of radio as a live ambient sound source. http://www.deepwireless.ca Opening the night is composer and experimental performer Allison Cameron, who uses contact mics to amplify small things. She creates textured pieces with radios, samplers, tapes and various toys. Since 2000, she has been the artistic director of Arraymusic and has been improvising in collaboration with Martin Arnold, Éric Chenaux, the Draperies, Ryan Driver, Dan Friedman, Mike Gennaro, Kurt Newman, John Oswald and many others. Her compositions have been performed by the likes of Arraymusic, Eve Egoyan, Les Couscous Bénévoles, Maarten Altena Ensemble and the Bang On A Can All-Stars. Allison will be assisted by Doug Tielli (nose flute, electric guitar with slide) and Stephen Parkinson (electric guitar). http://www.composers21.com/compdocs/camerona.htm James Bailey, the host of Electric Storm / A Missing Sense on CKLN-FM 88.1, will then be "inflicting all sorts of radio cacophony, silences and interferences using an assortment of cheap semi-working receiving devices, on a generally unsuspecting audience". Concluding the night's performances will be Michael Waterman, (aka Porter Hall) creating a realtime sound collage with the help of Allison Cameron and (via cell phone links to Los Angeles and Winnipeg) his far-flung cohorts from Mannlicher Carcano - an experimental audio collage group that has been together since the mid 80's, releasing numerous self-produced cassettes and CDs, performing live, creating sound installations and improvising live to the airwaves on various radio shows. http://www.deepwireless.ca/Artist_Biographies.html#Waterman Between Sets CD - "places of motility" by Jeff Greinke (Hypnos) Recorded between 1985 and 1986, this CD illustrates American composer Jeff Greinke's earlier soundscapes - with various shades of murky darkness, atmospheric drones and percussive patterns. http://www.hypnos.com/greinke/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday May 11th 2004 - RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2 featuring David Pritchard + Scott M2 + Byron Wong and Planet Of The Loops David Pritchard - http://www.thesonicworkshop.com/ Scott M2 - http://www.dreamstate.to Byron Wong - http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicArtistsW/wong_byron.html POTL - http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "PiNG AMBiENCE 2" by Various Artists Toronto's AMBiENT PiNG releases the 2nd in it's ongoing series of PiNG AMBiENCE discs, spotlighting artists from around the Toronto electronic community as well as like-minded PiNG friends from farther afield. This time, compiled by Eric Hopper of Sylken, PiNG AMBiENCE 2 explores the space-ier side of the genre, sonic excursions to the planets that orbit the PiNG. The disc opens with "Phases of the Moon" by dreamSTATE and Susanna Hood, a flowing piece of spectral elegance highlighting Susanna's wonderful vocal stylings. A fantastic track that typifies the collaborative spirit of the PiNG. Alpha Wave Movement offers the track "Sunset on Timeless Landscapes", a beautiful lament to the mysteries of the stars. Synthlines ebb and flow, minimal percussion passes by, the occasional snatch of sound sweetening the mix just so. Beautiful. PiNG favorites Sylken supply a brilliant new song entitled "The Light Unseen". Travelling the same spaceways that have made them so beloved in the Toronto scene (and beyond), "The Light Unseen" captures the sense of movement through the stars, graceful pads and percolating synths providing the landmarks (or spacemarks if you will) along your journey. Guitarist Paul Royes treats us to a lovely work of layered and processed guitar that delights and inspires. His track "Dolphin Sky" is one of my favorites on the disc with it's beauty and virtuosity. Brilliant. Terry O'Brien aka Anomolous Disturbances provides "The Invisible Landscape" another guitar based piece. More drone driven in tone "The Invisible Landscape" offers our first glimpse at the darker side of the PiNG, a study in quietly building dark ambient. Very nice work. earotica is a collaboration between Scott M2 of dreamSTATE and myself, so out of fairness I'll decline to comment on "Mara's Dream", other than to say it's the first release by our mutual side project and that alone should be reason enough for it to be interesting to you... =-) Solipsystem chime in with another one of my favorites on the disc, "Verdant", a brilliant marriage of arpeggios and minimal synth melodies. Absolutely beautiful work that resonates deep within me every time I hear it. Steven Sauve in his guise as Karmafarm offers "of all the things we said", an exploration in organic synth systems and oblique motion that slowly gives way to a groovey synth line. I love the use of the soundfield in this one, it has such a rich, full sound. Lovely. "Turn Twist Twirl" represents the work of Aidan Baker, an artist who is comfortable in a variety of styles and forms. In this track he creates a spontaneous improv piece in keeping with the space-y styles of the disc. I often compare Aidan's work to the magical and this track is very much in keeping with that idea. A stunning performance by one of Toronto's brightest stars. Performing as Styrohead, Joe G, another Sylken alumni, contributes the track "Portal". Deep drones lay a bed of sound over which a variety of tones pass subtly and effortlessly. Wonderful work. Jamie Todd represents URM with the track "consume", a dark droning motion based piece. With a few simple elements Jamie takes us on a trip into the deepest depths of space, where stars are consumed by living dark matter and the laws of physics that we understand hold no meaning. Another fabulous piece from one of my personal favorites. Sara Ayers supplies the piece "I Sewed The Feathers To My Arms", a stunning vocal based piece accompanied by minimal instrumentation. I've said this before on countless occasions, but I think it bears saying again that Sara Ayers is a treasure. Her work is always of the highest quality, brilliant, sparkling, wonderful. This track is a prime representation of what she does, and of course what she does is amazing. Simply Amazing. "Broken" by James Johnson closes out the disc with a beautiful organic piece where keys play delicate melodies and found sounds play underneath creating a rich dense soundscape that lives and breathes within it's own environment. Wonderful work by one of the masters of the genre. Needless to say, PiNG AMBiENCE 2 is an excellent collection proving that there are an incredible number of artists creating beautiful music worth discovering for yourself. A wonderful introduction to a variety of talents and a testimony to the community that has developed around THE AMBiENT PiNG. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Explore the ping things' newly expanded "features" section at: http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 16:31:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41KTok11419; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:29:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:29:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: Loopstock Today!!! Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 14:26:37 -0600 Message-ID: <000401c42fba$9b526f70$6401a8c0@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040501082740.01cb6090@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wish I could come! I hit the first one in '02 from Boston, and met my current wife utterly at random on the plane. Thanks Hans! ;-) My wife is actually helping put on a 3 day independent film festival in Denver this weekend (Cafe Nuba), and I just went along yesterday to check it out. Suddenly I've been recruited to run sound for the event today, gotta love it! So it's a festival weekend all over, apparently, have fun out there! :-) -----Original Message----- From: Hans Lindauer [mailto:armatronix2004@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 9:29 AM To: Looper's Delight Subject: Loopstock Today!!! It's not too late to get here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 16:45:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41KhqP13435; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:43:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:43:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <003701c42fbc$fde0c5e0$b800a8c0@yourwe00mbdwhn> From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: which one ? follow up... Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 22:43:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C42FCD.C0F85D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <-YKmHD.A.yRD.IwAlAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C42FCD.C0F85D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, thanks alot for your information. You're a big help ! Actually I would = like to get the Rang. But they are not available in Germany anymore. = Really strange. But thats how it is. Ok. What do you guys think about using Ableton Life on stage ? I worked = with that software quite a bit, but im not sure if its possible to use = it the way I would use the boomerang. Im mainly a guitar player, so i = have to concentrate on playing guitar on stage. Has anybody tried = Ableton with a foot pedal or something like that ? Any opinions are welcome... Thanks again. Greetings Jens. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C42FCD.C0F85D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi guys,
 
thanks alot for your information. = You're a big help=20 ! Actually I would like to get the Rang. But they are not available in = Germany=20 anymore. Really strange. But thats how it is.
Ok. What do you guys think about using = Ableton Life=20 on stage ? I worked with that software quite a bit, but im not sure if = its=20 possible to use it the way I would use the boomerang. Im mainly a = guitar=20 player, so i have to concentrate on playing guitar on stage. Has anybody = tried=20 Ableton with a foot pedal or something like that ?
Any opinions are=20 welcome...
 
Thanks again.
Greetings = Jens.
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C42FCD.C0F85D80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 17:10:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41L9Ys17921; Sat, 1 May 2004 17:09:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 17:09:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000401c42fba$9b526f70$6401a8c0@ws42554> References: <000401c42fba$9b526f70$6401a8c0@ws42554> Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 14:09:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Loopstock Today!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7moKB.A.4XE.OIBlAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:26 PM -0600 5/1/04, wrote: >met my current wife As opposed to your EMF wife. Sorry I'm not there. Feeling ill. Break a circuit! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 22:01:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i421xiY08530; Sat, 1 May 2004 21:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 21:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: Ableton Live "live" Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 18:59:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C42FAE.723816F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <003701c42fbc$fde0c5e0$b800a8c0@yourwe00mbdwhn> Thread-Index: AcQvvWClQsd9Q5IlQ5qhsp8dFdo5rQAKtwOw Message-Id: <20040502015933.VZZP7989.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <4MCAqD.A.HFC.QYFlAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C42FAE.723816F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jens, There's been a lot said about Ableton Live in the last few months. You can restrict your search to a specific archive or set of archives to read the last few months postings. Tom http://loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive/ _____ From: Jens Wolters [mailto:shocktone@gmx.de] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 1:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: which one ? follow up... Hi guys, thanks alot for your information. You're a big help ! Actually I would like to get the Rang. But they are not available in Germany anymore. Really strange. But thats how it is. Ok. What do you guys think about using Ableton Life on stage ? I worked with that software quite a bit, but im not sure if its possible to use it the way I would use the boomerang. Im mainly a guitar player, so i have to concentrate on playing guitar on stage. Has anybody tried Ableton with a foot pedal or something like that ? Any opinions are welcome... Thanks again. Greetings Jens. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C42FAE.723816F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jens,

 

There’s been a lot said about = Ableton Live in the last few months.   You can restrict = your search to a specific archive or set of archives to read the last few = months postings.

 

Tom

 

 

 

http://looper= sdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive/

 

From: Jens = Wolters [mailto:shocktone@gmx.de]
Sent: Saturday, May 01, = 2004 1:44 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: which one ? = follow up...

 

Hi guys,

 

thanks alot for your information. You're a big help ! Actually I would like to get the Rang. But they are not available in = Germany anymore. Really strange. But thats how it = is.

Ok. What do you guys think about using Ableton Life = on stage ? I worked with that software quite a bit, but im not sure if its = possible to use it the way I would use the boomerang. Im mainly a guitar = player, so i have to concentrate on playing guitar on stage. Has anybody tried = Ableton with a foot pedal or something like that ?
Any opinions are welcome...

 

Thanks again.

Greetings Jens.

------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C42FAE.723816F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 1 23:37:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i423Zvp31962; Sat, 1 May 2004 23:35:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 23:35:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200405020201.i4221kh09120@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200405020201.i4221kh09120@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 20:36:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <3JYDzD.A.TzH.cyGlAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 0) Which version of the Loop software are you using? 1) You're positive that your brothersync cable is a stereo TRS, and not a mono patchcord, right? 2) If you use the current slave as the master and vice versa do you have the same problem? 3) Are you spending long periods of time (several minutes) in overdub mode? 4) What's the typical length of your loops? 5) How much is a "bit faster"? A few milliseconds? A few hundred milliseconds. On May 1, 2004, at 7:01 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? > > > hi all, > > I think, i did everything what is described in the faq and in the > manual about stereo operation. > > but i still have problems with sync: after some minutes the plexes go > out of sync, the slave gets a bit faster. > > who can help? > > frieder > > ps: i've checked the cabels.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 2 03:09:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4278Fq24491; Sun, 2 May 2004 03:08:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 03:08:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <99C8AD8A-9C07-11D8-B71C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig spam (Seattle) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 00:09:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A cornucopia of caffeine supported acoustic guitar looping shows this week: Thursday, May 6, 7:30PM: Penny Cafe (1707 NW Market) Friday, May 7, 8:30PM: Starbucks (1600 E. Olive) Saturday, May 8, 2PM: Tully's (4th Avenue and Union) Saturday, May 8, 8PM: El Diablo Coffee (1811 Queen Anne Avenue N.) As usual, all shows are no cover and no smoking. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 2 03:41:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i427YWk28385; Sun, 2 May 2004 03:34:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 03:34:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <002601c43017$e35d2550$b800a8c0@yourwe00mbdwhn> From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: echoplex vs boomerang Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 09:34:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C43028.A6670150" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C43028.A6670150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok guys, thanks again. I have narrowed down my choice to either the echoplex EDP = with foot controller or the boomerang. I need it for live use mainly. Is the echoplex worth the higher price ?=20 Greetings Jens. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C43028.A6670150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok guys,
 
thanks again. I have narrowed down my = choice to=20 either the echoplex EDP with foot controller or the = boomerang.
I need it for live use mainly. Is = the echoplex=20 worth the higher price ? 
 

Greetings Jens.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C43028.A6670150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 2 09:11:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i42D9l923450; Sun, 2 May 2004 09:09:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 09:09:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c43046$bcad3b50$e0154ed5@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <198.28e43dcc.2dc51c18@aol.com> Subject: Re: Steve Lawson's "For The Love of Open Spaces" CD Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 14:09:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: <24dczB.A.TuF.bMPlAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks very much Ted, I'm really glad you're enjoying it! Theo sounds very little like your traditional flautist on this recording, and Alto Flute makes a great texture for soundscape stuff. Coupled with his soprano playing, I think it makes for pretty compelling stuff. I'm still listening to it, which is a good sign... :o) cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net (go on, you know you want to) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 4:28 PM Subject: Steve Lawson's "For The Love of Open Spaces" CD Hey all, I finally broke down and ordered this disk from CD Baby a week or so ago. It arrived the day before yesterday and has hardly left my CD changer. It's such a beautiful collection of improvised tracks -- duets of looped bass and flute/sax. I have Steve's previous two disks (one of solo bass and one of bass/piano duets) and enjoy them too. But this one is truly marvelous. I'm afraid to admit that I held off getting it 'cause I'm not a big fan of flute music in general. But, I highly recommend this to anyone who appreciates great musicianship and real melodies. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 2 10:37:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i42EZR914763; Sun, 2 May 2004 10:35:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 10:35:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 10:35:24 -0400 Subject: Re: echoplex vs boomerang From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c43017$e35d2550$b800a8c0@yourwe00mbdwhn> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3166338925_145207" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3166338925_145207 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Absolutely, positively, unconditionally. There is nothing on the market which comes close to the amount of flexibility and capability. The price reflects that. Definitely lay down that extra for the midi foot controller, that=B9s what pushes it over the edge. And if you find an echoplex please let us know! Best, Todd On 5/2/04 3:34 AM, "Jens Wolters" wrote: > Ok guys, > =20 > thanks again. I have narrowed down my choice to either the echoplex EDP w= ith > foot controller or the boomerang. > I need it for live use mainly. Is the echoplex worth the higher price ? > =20 >=20 > Greetings Jens. > =20 >=20 --B_3166338925_145207 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: echoplex vs boomerang Absolutely, positively= , unconditionally.

There is nothing on the market which comes close to the amount of flexibili= ty and capability.  The price reflects that.  Definitely lay down = that extra for the midi foot controller, that’s what pushes it over th= e edge.  And if you find an echoplex please let us know!  

Best,

Todd

On 5/2/04 3:34 AM, "Jens Wolters" <shocktone@gmx.de> wrote:=

Ok guys,
thanks again. I have narrowed down my choice to e= ither the echoplex EDP with foot controller or the boomerang.
I need it for live use mainly. Is the echoplex worth the higher price ?

Greetings Jens.


--B_3166338925_145207-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 2 11:18:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i42FH0027996; Sun, 2 May 2004 11:17:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 11:17:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <409510EF.6050907@proaxis.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 08:17:03 -0700 From: Teresa Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Paradis polyphonic nylon References: <4091E39C.30205@proaxis.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am happy indeed to hear this affirmation! My searches had yielded no indication of the Paradis equipment still living above ground. Even if I never use a Paradis device or even get to see one, it is good to know that such wonderfully conceived machines exist. Please tell me how to connect with a supplier. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Matthias Grob wrote: >> Is the relevant hardware available? Special cable, Polysubbass, etc. > > > yes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 2 15:25:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i42JNuD21413; Sun, 2 May 2004 15:23:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 15:23:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.156) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 2 May 2004 19:21:52 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Yon P Mercury" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 03:23:47 +0800 Subject: Re: Freewheeling - yes. X-Originating-Ip: 205.206.253.205 X-Originating-Server: ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040502192347.50A1D2B2B57@ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, > Read a little more today and had a listen to the sound files. Great music! > Seems like you have created an interesting little application there, Yon. > Unfortunately I have no spare pc around for a linux install but that might > change ;-) Thanks for your feedback. I highly recommend a Linux install if you are even slightly savvy. There are some very robust, stable, free audio tools for linux-- and they plug together in a cooperative and modular way that commercial software struggles to do. Your linux install can coexist peacefully with another OS on the same computer. Give it a try. I developed Freewheeling under a Debian Woody/Sid install. It was too easy! I still find it hard to believe that my old desktop is now a robust low-latency live looping tool. Just yesterday we had a family vocal jam looping on 4 mics. A good hub for Linux audio is: http://www.linux-sound.org/ A good Linux distribution for audio that is closer to plug n play- is: http://www.demudi.org/ The Demudi project has recently released a Live distribution, which means you should be able to burn a CD of it and boot directly into a low-latency-enabled audio workstation-- from CD-- without installation on your HD. I haven't tried it myself, but Woooooooooo! Also, If you look around, you should be able to find more information on running Linux under Mac. From others reports, it seems possible, including low-latency audio. As it is, Freewheeling should run from any flavor of Linux. Red Hat, Debian, Mandrake, etc.. Since I believe in accessibility, I would like to make Freewheeling fully crossplatform for Mac and Windows. I'll be in touch with the list if that materializes. Blessings, Jan P Mercury > Which Linux build is to be recommended for Freewheeling? > Last summer I was just up to installing the Debian build when my motherboard > crapped out. Now I got a mobo but then the transformer crashed - I assumed. > Bought a new transformer and the thing is still dead. So either the CPU is > out or the new mobo. > > Does anyone know if Linux can be run successfully on apple hardware? > Thinking about eventually using a PowrBook for a second Linux bootable > partition, beside OS X. -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 2 15:53:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i42Jkn728569; Sun, 2 May 2004 15:46:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 15:46:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--6690815 Message-Id: <72CF7AB7-9C71-11D8-8098-0003939F02DA@mac.com> From: Dave Budde Subject: Re: echoplex vs boomerang Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 12:46:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--6690815 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I found one just the other day at bostonguitar.com. But I got the last=20= one they had. On May 2, 2004, at 7:35 AM, todd reynolds wrote: > And if you find an echoplex please let us know! =A0 > > Best, > > Todd > =20= --Apple-Mail-1--6690815 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I found one just the other day at bostonguitar.com. But I got the last one they had. On May 2, 2004, at 7:35 AM, todd reynolds wrote: PalatinoAnd if you find an echoplex please let us know! =A0 Palatino Best, Palatino Todd =20= --Apple-Mail-1--6690815-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 2 16:06:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i42K5LH31596; Sun, 2 May 2004 16:05:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 16:05:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <72CF7AB7-9C71-11D8-8098-0003939F02DA@mac.com> References: <72CF7AB7-9C71-11D8-8098-0003939F02DA@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <063AAB41-9C74-11D8-A825-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: echoplex vs boomerang Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:05:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 2, 2004, at 9:46 PM, Someone wrote: > boomerang similarities.... > The Echopolex never return back when you throw it away... ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 2 16:10:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i42K7lg32158; Sun, 2 May 2004 16:07:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 16:07:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40955481.50908@free.fr> Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 22:05:21 +0200 From: Luca Bonvini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex vs boomerang References: <72CF7AB7-9C71-11D8-8098-0003939F02DA@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i42K7kp32130 Resent-Message-ID: <3yaT9C.A.S2H.TUVlAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com YOU ARE KIDDING!!!!!!!!!?????????#@&"£%*§##:-):-):-) Dave Budde a écrit: > I found one just the other day at bostonguitar.com. But I got the last > one they had. > > On May 2, 2004, at 7:35 AM, todd reynolds wrote: > > And if you find an echoplex please let us know! > > Best, > > Todd > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 2 17:08:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i42L6tM13663; Sun, 2 May 2004 17:06:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 17:06:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: categorization of music Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 14:06:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4304E.B7E7A350" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcQwiWJsAZUWOKs2QtK7RqSPOw6NgQ== Message-Id: <20040502210646.IHLZ7093.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4304E.B7E7A350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like we're not the only ones wrestling with categorization of music. Is anyone familiar with the 2002 edition of Mutek which took place in Montreal? Presented in the screening room of Montreal's Goethe Institute, one of the main concerns in all four panels was the idea of categorization in the face of seemingly endless new genres and subgenres proliferating in new music. The difficulty in categorization is greatly enhanced when the practitioners of this music operate under multiple monikers, as nearly every act at Mutek this year illustrates. Unless a specialty store has its act together, good luck figuring out where to find all but the one solo album that bass guru and producer extraordinaire Bill Laswell has released under his own name. Laswell didn't appear at Mutek, but his case is a good one. I am, of course, greatly anticipating his appearance at the Montreal Jazz Festival with Zakir Hussein under the guise of Table Beat Science, but that's another story. Categorization is discussed at least 7 more times: http://www.horschamp.qc.ca/new_offscreen/mutek_pt1.html Tom ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4304E.B7E7A350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Sounds like we’re not the only ones wrestling = with categorization of music.  Is anyone familiar with the 2002 edition of Mutek which took place in = Montreal?

 

Presented in the screening room of Montreal’s Goethe Institute, one of the main concerns in all four panels was the = idea of categorization in the face of seemingly endless new genres and subgenres proliferating in new music. The difficulty in categorization is greatly enhanced when the practitioners of this music operate under multiple = monikers, as nearly every act at Mutek this year illustrates. Unless a specialty store has its act together, good = luck figuring out where to find all but the one solo album that bass guru and producer extraordinaire Bill Laswell has released under his own name. = Laswell didn’t appear at Mutek, but his case is a good one. I am, of course, greatly anticipating his = appearance at the Montreal Jazz Festival with Zakir Hussein under the guise of = Table Beat Science, but = that’s another story.

Categorization is discussed at least 7 more times:

http://w= ww.horschamp.qc.ca/new_offscreen/mutek_pt1.html

 

 

Tom

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4304E.B7E7A350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 2 18:52:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i42Moqp07513; Sun, 2 May 2004 18:50:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:50:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200405020201.i4221kh09120@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:24:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com while I really apreciate the help of Travis and his questions are interesting for cases of MIDI- and BrotherSync, I must say that none of the questions is relevant for pure stereo use. as we hesitate to inform, not all EDP generations sync up between each other. If you did not buy them together, you may need to ask Andy for new crystals that match the present standard. so sorry... >0) Which version of the Loop software are you using? >1) You're positive that your brothersync cable is a stereo TRS, and >not a mono patchcord, right? >2) If you use the current slave as the master and vice versa do you >have the same problem? >3) Are you spending long periods of time (several minutes) in overdub mode? >4) What's the typical length of your loops? >5) How much is a "bit faster"? A few milliseconds? A few hundred >milliseconds. > > > >On May 1, 2004, at 7:01 PM, >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >>Subject: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? >> >> >>hi all, >> >>I think, i did everything what is described in the faq and in the >>manual about stereo operation. >> >>but i still have problems with sync: after some minutes the plexes >>go out of sync, the slave gets a bit faster. >> >>who can help? >> >>frieder >> >>ps: i've checked the cabels.... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 2 18:53:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i42Mol007465; Sun, 2 May 2004 18:50:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:50:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <409510EF.6050907@proaxis.com> References: <4091E39C.30205@proaxis.com> <409510EF.6050907@proaxis.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:14:10 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: such wonderfully conceived machines exist? (was Paradis polyphonic nylon) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This sounds beautifull Teresa, thank you very much! my answer was very short, because I thought you would contact me personally if you needed a unit. Now I feel like puting that straight: for the professional scene, society is organized in a way that money is available for tremendously high class studio reproduction of tremendously low class instruments of poor professional musicians :-( for creative musicians the high class production is unacessible, so they tend to spend their little money rather on home studio equipment than elaborated instruments recently. amateurs generally spend money to reproduce the sound of their idols, instead of developping their own thing. in general, humanity lost a lot in the last 20 years by concentrating on low prices for the public and absurd high quality in a few corners. While the dark majority struggles for daily bread and water, the spoiled priviledged citizens want a bit of everything, with superficial knowledge of each thing and thus just initial satisfaction to participate in a tribe and consume fascinating gadgets without dedication to feel a deeper quality. No life energy flow, just material and hormones... my recommendation for people who want to find hapyness and maybe a way out of world economy crises: concentrate time and money on one or two things you got talent for, do it anyway, but rather in a way there is a chance to professionalize it in the future. once you become helpfull with this skill, clients will come up and you can be happy living off what you like to do, without having time and money to spend on all all other unnecessary stuff :-) to come back to Paradis: it was so much easier for Rolf to get a job as a designer than to build instruments, that after years of struggeling, he choose the easy way. but as his friends had predicted, he did not manage to really trash his true destiny and talent... :-) so: Paradis did not produce guitars in the last 6 years. I have a Polysubbass left, but no quantity. But Rolf is working on seting up production again, we have serious hopes that next year, there will be a new model, in the tradition of Avalon! >I am happy indeed to hear this affirmation! My searches had yielded >no indication of the Paradis equipment still living above ground. >Even if I never use a Paradis device or even get to see one, it is >good to know that such wonderfully conceived machines exist. > >Please tell me how to connect with a supplier. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` >Matthias Grob wrote: > >>>Is the relevant hardware available? Special cable, Polysubbass, etc. >> >> >>yes -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 2 20:29:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i430RHr00529; Sun, 2 May 2004 20:27:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 20:27:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c430a4$e88c5fe0$d7c7c418@catherinkvwp76> From: "Michael and Nikki" To: Subject: Fw: EDP Alesis Stumped Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 20:23:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a reposting of an earlier email. I still need help. Has anyone had a similar problem? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Nikki" To: ; "kim flint" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: Re: EDP Alesis Stumped > QUANT=loop > SYNC=in > 8THS/CYCLE=8 > AUTORECORD=on > SWITCHQUANT=loop > MORELOOPS=2 > RECORDMODE=toggle > SAMPLERSTYLE=run > > 1 I turn on the Alesis SR 16 drum machine, the EDP shows it is receiving > MIDI clock from the drum machine > Using the Gibson foot controller I: > 2 press Record > 3 play something, I'll refer to it as loop1 > 4 end recording by again pressing Record > 5 press NextLoop, the EDP indicates it will switch to loop2 at the end of > the current loop and begin recording > 6 at the end of loop1, I play something else I'll refer to as loop2 > 7 I end recording loop2 by pressing NextLoop > 8 the EDP is now playing loop1 and everything is still in sync with the drum > machine > 9 I press NextLoop and at the end of loop1, the EDP switches to loop2. No > problem. > 10 I press NextLoop and at the end of loop2, loop2 starts over again. Loop2 > plays for a beat or so and then switches to loop1 > 11 The EDP is now out of sync with the drum machine. > > > The following five variations produce the same problem: > If AUTOREC=off > then in step 5 after pressing NextLoop I also press Record > the same problem happens. > If in step 7, I end recording loop2 by pressing Record, then the proccess > skips directly to step 10 and the same problem happens. > If the EDP is synced to a metronome via BeatSync, the same problem happens > If I do not use the foot controller and enter everything via the front panel > of the EDP, the same problem happens. > If SWITCHQUANT=Cycle (or anything besides off) then the same problem > happens. > > The following two variations do NOT produce the problem: > If in step 4 I end recording loop1 by pressing NextLoop and thereby > immediately record loop2 which I also end by pressing NextLoop, then the > problem will not happen. I can switch back and forth between the two loops > and the EDP will stay in sync with the drum machine. > If I start with SWITCHQUANT=off then during step 8 I reach over to the front > panel and set SWITCHQUANT=loop. The problem will not happen. > > Any help/suggestions would be great. Thanks again for taking a look at my > problem. > Nervously, > Michael > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 3:50 AM > Subject: Re: EDP Alesis Stumped > > > > again, could you please just describe the exact sequence you did that led > > to the problem? your mail here was confusing to follow. > > kim > > > > At 10:07 PM 4/24/2004, Michael and Nikki wrote: > > >First, THANKS for responding!! > > >I have used both the Gibson foot controller and the front panel with the > > >same results. > > >For the purpose of this email, I'm using the footswitch. > > >The drum machine is an Alesis SR16. > > >I've been messing with the EDP all day and I've found that: > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 2 22:39:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i432agH07462; Sun, 2 May 2004 22:36:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:36:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Pete Brunelli Subject: DD-20 Info? Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:36:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've been looking for any user sites or discussion regarding the Boss DD-20 and it's Sound-On-Sound mode specifically. So far, no dice. Anyone have a link to share? I've just started playing with one. It seems like a very nice delay, similar to the DL4, with a different kind of oddball feature. The DL4 only let you use the one slapback delay while looping, while the DD-20 lets you leave the loop playing and then use a delay setting over it without overdubbing. Kind neat. Sadly, it seems that you can't restart the loop, which is a major drawback. I could see this being a good unit to use in tandem with a RC-20. I have a friend who uses one, so I'm going to give that a shot. Again, BOSS/Roland finds a way to make something nice, but not *too* nice. Pete From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 3 02:37:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i436TJX24702; Mon, 3 May 2004 02:29:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 02:29:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c430f1$83e39c00$6700a8c0@yew> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <4091E39C.30205@proaxis.com> <409510EF.6050907@proaxis.com> Subject: Re: such wonderfully conceived machines exist? (was Paradis polyphonic nylon) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 02:23:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well put, Matthias. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: Re: such wonderfully conceived machines exist? (was Paradis polyphonic nylon) > This sounds beautifull Teresa, thank you very much! > > my answer was very short, because I thought you would contact me > personally if you needed a unit. > Now I feel like puting that straight: > > for the professional scene, society is organized in a way that money > is available for tremendously high class studio reproduction of > tremendously low class instruments of poor professional musicians :-( > for creative musicians the high class production is unacessible, so > they tend to spend their little money rather on home studio equipment > than elaborated instruments recently. > amateurs generally spend money to reproduce the sound of their idols, > instead of developping their own thing. > > in general, humanity lost a lot in the last 20 years by concentrating > on low prices for the public and absurd high quality in a few > corners. While the dark majority struggles for daily bread and water, > the spoiled priviledged citizens want a bit of everything, with > superficial knowledge of each thing and thus just initial > satisfaction to participate in a tribe and consume fascinating > gadgets without dedication to feel a deeper quality. No life energy > flow, just material and hormones... > > my recommendation for people who want to find hapyness and maybe a > way out of world economy crises: > concentrate time and money on one or two things you got talent for, > do it anyway, but rather in a way there is a chance to > professionalize it in the future. once you become helpfull with this > skill, clients will come up and you can be happy living off what you > like to do, without having time and money to spend on all all other > unnecessary stuff :-) > > to come back to Paradis: it was so much easier for Rolf to get a job > as a designer than to build instruments, that after years of > struggeling, he choose the easy way. but as his friends had > predicted, he did not manage to really trash his true destiny and > talent... :-) > > so: > Paradis did not produce guitars in the last 6 years. > I have a Polysubbass left, but no quantity. > But Rolf is working on seting up production again, we have serious > hopes that next year, there will be a new model, in the tradition of > Avalon! > > > >I am happy indeed to hear this affirmation! My searches had yielded > >no indication of the Paradis equipment still living above ground. > >Even if I never use a Paradis device or even get to see one, it is > >good to know that such wonderfully conceived machines exist. > > > >Please tell me how to connect with a supplier. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` > >Matthias Grob wrote: > > > >>>Is the relevant hardware available? Special cable, Polysubbass, etc. > >> > >> > >>yes > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 3 04:31:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i438Tsq12004; Mon, 3 May 2004 04:29:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 04:29:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 10:29:44 +0200 Message-Id: <416260022@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Frieder Zimmermann" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

hi travis, hi matthias, hi others.

thanks for help.

If you did not buy them together....

there are not so much opportunities to get two of them and to have the money...

>0) Which version of the Loop software are you using?

loop IV on both units


>1) Youre positive that your brothersync cable is a stereo TRS, and
>not a mono patchcord, right?

yes it is stereo, i mean two stereo jacks and i suppose the cable is connected (what is TRS??)

>2) If you use the current slave as the master and vice versa do you
>have the same problem?


yes i still have the problem, if i change the master /slave

i have two beigefaces with different names (oberheim and gibson)

the older one (oberheim as you can! imagine) gets faster with the time.

>3) Are you spending long periods of time (several minutes) in overdub mode?

not really

>4) Whats the typical length of your loops?

there is no typical loop length in my playing, but the situation is for example:

i record a small loop: 4/4 72 bpm (length: 3,3sec), i multiply: 16 times (no, boring) 15 times : first failure: the master shows 45,6 sec loop length, the slave 45,5 sec.

now i wait . (latte machiato)

>5) How much is a "bit faster"? A few milliseconds? A few hundred
>milliseconds.

20 minutes left: now the slaves is a few hundred milliseconds slower. as i wrote in the first

mail the slave gets faster, now i changed and now the master is faster..

 

 

any advices??

you may need to ask Andy for new crystals that match the present standard.

Mr. de la fosse ?

b! est wishes,

frieder

 

 

 

 

 



while I really apreciate the help of Travis and his questions are
interesting for cases of MIDI- and BrotherSync, I must say that none
of the questions is relevant for pure stereo use.

as we hesitate to inform, not all EDP generations sync up between
each other. If you did not buy them together, you may need to ask
Andy for new crystals that match the present standard.
so sorry...

>0) Which version of the Loop software are you using?
>1) Youre positive that your brothersync cable is a stereo TRS, and
>not a mono patchcord, right?
>2) If you use the current slave as the master and vice versa do you
>have the same problem?
>3) Are you spending long periods of time (several minutes) in overdub mode?
>4) Whats the typical length of your loops?
>5) How much is a "bit faster"? A few milliseconds? A few hundred
>milliseconds.
>
>
>
>On Ma! y 1, 2004, at 7:01 PM,
>Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:
>
>>Subject: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences?
>>
>>
>>hi all,
>>
>>I think, i did everything what is described in the faq and in the
>>manual about stereo operation.
>>
>>but i still have problems with sync: after some minutes the plexes
>>go out of sync, the slave gets a bit faster.
>>
>>who can help?
>>
>>frieder
>>
>>ps: ive checked the cabels....


--


---> http://Matthias.Grob.org


From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 3 07:02:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i43AxRL10572; Mon, 3 May 2004 06:59:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 06:59:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c430fe$17a60840$99d8a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <200405020201.i4221kh09120@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 07:02:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.163.216.153] at Mon, 3 May 2004 05:59:23 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias This is interesting. I have a 1996 Oberheim and a 1999 "Gibson" in a stereo pair. They used to sync. up perfectly. Left for hours didn't drift. Then I installed the latest software version on both, I found they do not sync. up perfectly anymore. In just a few minutes they will drift from eachother. It's quite noticeable. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 5:24 PM Subject: Re: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? > while I really apreciate the help of Travis and his questions are > interesting for cases of MIDI- and BrotherSync, I must say that none > of the questions is relevant for pure stereo use. > > as we hesitate to inform, not all EDP generations sync up between > each other. If you did not buy them together, you may need to ask > Andy for new crystals that match the present standard. > so sorry... > > >0) Which version of the Loop software are you using? > >1) You're positive that your brothersync cable is a stereo TRS, and > >not a mono patchcord, right? > >2) If you use the current slave as the master and vice versa do you > >have the same problem? > >3) Are you spending long periods of time (several minutes) in overdub mode? > >4) What's the typical length of your loops? > >5) How much is a "bit faster"? A few milliseconds? A few hundred > >milliseconds. > > > > > > > >On May 1, 2004, at 7:01 PM, > >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > >>Subject: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? > >> > >> > >>hi all, > >> > >>I think, i did everything what is described in the faq and in the > >>manual about stereo operation. > >> > >>but i still have problems with sync: after some minutes the plexes > >>go out of sync, the slave gets a bit faster. > >> > >>who can help? > >> > >>frieder > >> > >>ps: i've checked the cabels.... > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 3 11:45:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i43FhKq13679; Mon, 3 May 2004 11:43:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 11:43:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040503154313.42060.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:43:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <416260022@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the same problem as well... Ive changed the crystals on the oberheim to match the gibsons after Andys recomendation and tried all of the above but they wont sync if you find anything out let me know Luis --- Frieder Zimmermann wrote: --------------------------------- p {margin: 0px} hi travis, hi matthias, hi others. thanks for help. If you did not buy them together.... there are not so much opportunities to get two of them and to have the money... >0) Which version of the Loop software are you using? loop IV on both units >1) Youre positive that your brothersync cable is a stereo TRS, and >not a mono patchcord, right? yes it is stereo, i mean two stereo jacks and i suppose the cable is connected (what is TRS??) >2) If you use the current slave as the master and vice versa do you >have the same problem? yes i still have the problem, if i change the master /slave i have two beigefaces with different names (oberheim and gibson) the older one (oberheim as you can! imagine) gets faster with the time. >3) Are you spending long periods of time (several minutes) in overdub mode? not really >4) Whats the typical length of your loops? there is no typical loop length in my playing, but the situation is for example: i record a small loop: 4/4 72 bpm (length: 3,3sec), i multiply: 16 times (no, boring) 15 times : first failure: the master shows 45,6 sec loop length, the slave 45,5 sec. now i wait . (latte machiato) >5) How much is a "bit faster"? A few milliseconds? A few hundred >milliseconds. 20 minutes left: now the slaves is a few hundred milliseconds slower. as i wrote in the first mail the slave gets faster, now i changed and now the master is faster.. any advices?? you may need to ask Andy for new crystals that match the present standard. Mr. de la fosse ? b! est wishes, frieder while I really apreciate the help of Travis and his questions are interesting for cases of MIDI- and BrotherSync, I must say that none of the questions is relevant for pure stereo use. as we hesitate to inform, not all EDP generations sync up between each other. If you did not buy them together, you may need to ask Andy for new crystals that match the present standard. so sorry... >0) Which version of the Loop software are you using? >1) Youre positive that your brothersync cable is a stereo TRS, and >not a mono patchcord, right? >2) If you use the current slave as the master and vice versa do you >have the same problem? >3) Are you spending long periods of time (several minutes) in overdub mode? >4) Whats the typical length of your loops? >5) How much is a "bit faster"? A few milliseconds? A few hundred >milliseconds. > > > >On Ma! y 1, 2004, at 7:01 PM, >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >>Subject: Re: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? >> >> >>hi all, >> >>I think, i did everything what is described in the faq and in the >>manual about stereo operation. >> >>but i still have problems with sync: after some minutes the plexes >>go out of sync, the slave gets a bit faster. >> >>who can help? >> >>frieder >> >>ps: ive checked the cabels.... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! 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Looping Devices used live: Ableton LIVE w/FCB 1010 footpedal and bomes midi translator (without it I'd be screwed) Electrix Repeater Brother Sean is a band but live shows are just me with an acoustic guitar, my voice and the two loopers mentioned above. I use LIVE for the playback of pre-recorded tracks as well as capturing loops, although I do most of my live looping with the Repeater. The Cave is located at 452 1/2 W. Frankling Street. If you stop by please say hi before or after the show! thanks, Kevin McPeak --- www.brothersean.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 3 20:51:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i440iop29210; Mon, 3 May 2004 20:44:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 20:44:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1083631473.4096e7719993b@webmail.jaring.my> Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 08:44:33 +0800 From: Leong Kar Yew To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe for the time being..overseas bussiness trip for three months.. 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Thanks Leong ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail has been sent via JARING webmail at http://www.jaring.my From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 4 18:03:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i44M09o24824; Tue, 4 May 2004 18:00:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 18:00:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:00:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gig spam: California Tour From: David Trenkel To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <63FC3734-9E16-11D8-BD18-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, briefly de-lurking here with a crassly commercial and self-promotional post. My band, Eleven Eyes, a six-piece avant jazz/funk/hip-hop unit from Eugene, Oregon, will be making a short swing down into Northern California. It's our first California trip. Thursday, May 6, we're at the the G-Street Pub (228 G Street) in Davis, CA, 10 pm. For info: 530.758.3154 Friday, May 7, we'll be at The Bistro (1001 B St) in Hayward, CA. We'll be playing from 4 to 7:30 pm For info: http://www.the-bistro.com/calendar.htm or 510.886.8525 Sunday, May 9. we're at The Tradewinds (8210 Old Redwood) Cotati, CA. Bring your Mom, it's Mother's Day!! 9:30 pm For info: http://www.tradewindsbar.com/ or 707.795.7878 Monday, May 10, we play at Blue ( 998 Monteray St), in San Luis Obispo, CA , 9:30pm For info: 805.783.1135 And finally, Tuesday, May 11th, we wrap it up at The Crows Nest (2218 E. Cliff Dr.) in sunny Santa Cruz, Ca For info: http://www.crowsnest-santacruz.com/ or 831.476.4560 Spread the word! http://www.eleveneyes.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 4 23:34:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i453WIP10437; Tue, 4 May 2004 23:32:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 23:32:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c43251$8fc81210$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: Subject: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ... Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 20:32:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I called Gibson the other day and eventually got in touch with a guy who had some pretty solid info on the Echoplex situation. The word as of today is that the Echoplex will ship to dealers by the end of the month. Likely, sometime after the 24th. Musicians Friend has a number of them on order and should receive them. I've had one on backorder with them since early February so I'm pretty happy about that. I also had a pretty good conversation with the Gibson guy who is handling the Echoplexes. He understands that there is a lot of demand for the product and asked my opinions about a number of things. I consider the Echoplex to be in a class of its own as far as looping hardware goes. That seems to be the general consensus among those I've discussed it with in the past. Though, admittedly, I have not tried most of the other looping devices. We discussed what features I'd like to see in future editions of the Echoplex. My main issues had to do with the fact that it was mono and that the footswitch malfunctions after a relatively short amount of time and has no status lights on it. The guy I talked to seems very interested in finding ways to improve the Echoplex in the future. He's going to be away for a few weeks so in the meantime I'll probably post a request for discussion of what people would want to improve with the Echoplex Digital Pro. Maybe we can have some input ( no pun intended ) on the future development of this indespensible tool. - Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 00:04:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4542Ok16422; Wed, 5 May 2004 00:02:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 00:02:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ... Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 22:02:19 -0600 Message-ID: <011c01c43255$c396b7a0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000c01c43251$8fc81210$6401a8c0@watercooled> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave - This is outstanding information! I also have two echoplexes on back order with Musicians Friend. I hope the word comes to fruition after the 24th. I talked to Musicians Friend the other day, and if I recall correctly, the rep mentioned having 60 something units on the way. I'm totally jazzed. :) Cheers, Krispen Hartung Solo Acoustic Guitarist Boise, Idaho info@krispenhatung.com http://www.krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:32 PM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ... I called Gibson the other day and eventually got in touch with a guy who had some pretty solid info on the Echoplex situation. The word as of today is that the Echoplex will ship to dealers by the end of the month. Likely, sometime after the 24th. Musicians Friend has a number of them on order and should receive them. I've had one on backorder with them since early February so I'm pretty happy about that. I also had a pretty good conversation with the Gibson guy who is handling the Echoplexes. He understands that there is a lot of demand for the product and asked my opinions about a number of things. I consider the Echoplex to be in a class of its own as far as looping hardware goes. That seems to be the general consensus among those I've discussed it with in the past. Though, admittedly, I have not tried most of the other looping devices. We discussed what features I'd like to see in future editions of the Echoplex. My main issues had to do with the fact that it was mono and that the footswitch malfunctions after a relatively short amount of time and has no status lights on it. The guy I talked to seems very interested in finding ways to improve the Echoplex in the future. He's going to be away for a few weeks so in the meantime I'll probably post a request for discussion of what people would want to improve with the Echoplex Digital Pro. Maybe we can have some input ( no pun intended ) on the future development of this indespensible tool. - Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 00:22:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i454I4818154; Wed, 5 May 2004 00:18:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 00:18:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: Subject: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 21:18:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought it might be a good idea to create a forum exclusively for the discussion of the Echoplex Digital Pro at Yahoo Groups but I guess someone beat me to it. It's pretty dead but maybe we can get it going. You can join at: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/EchoplexPro/ - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 03:33:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i457Up112819; Wed, 5 May 2004 03:30:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 03:30:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ... Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 08:30:07 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c43272$cebf7190$01fea8c0@andy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <011c01c43255$c396b7a0$6501a8c0@khartung> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <39gGAD.A.MID.rgJmAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry guys, but I can't see that date being realistic. We are not releasing any more product out of the UK until we get paid for what we have already shipped. 19 days does not seem quite long enough for us to get paid, ship to the US and then distribute to the shops. Where on earth do Gibson keep getting these dates from? I'm sure the chap you spoke to actually believed that they would ship this month; maybe he does know something we don't :) -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: 05 May 2004 05:02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ... Dave - This is outstanding information! I also have two echoplexes on back order with Musicians Friend. I hope the word comes to fruition after the 24th. I talked to Musicians Friend the other day, and if I recall correctly, the rep mentioned having 60 something units on the way. I'm totally jazzed. :) Cheers, Krispen Hartung Solo Acoustic Guitarist Boise, Idaho info@krispenhatung.com http://www.krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:32 PM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ... I called Gibson the other day and eventually got in touch with a guy who had some pretty solid info on the Echoplex situation. The word as of today is that the Echoplex will ship to dealers by the end of the month. Likely, sometime after the 24th. Musicians Friend has a number of them on order and should receive them. I've had one on backorder with them since early February so I'm pretty happy about that. I also had a pretty good conversation with the Gibson guy who is handling the Echoplexes. He understands that there is a lot of demand for the product and asked my opinions about a number of things. I consider the Echoplex to be in a class of its own as far as looping hardware goes. That seems to be the general consensus among those I've discussed it with in the past. Though, admittedly, I have not tried most of the other looping devices. We discussed what features I'd like to see in future editions of the Echoplex. My main issues had to do with the fact that it was mono and that the footswitch malfunctions after a relatively short amount of time and has no status lights on it. The guy I talked to seems very interested in finding ways to improve the Echoplex in the future. He's going to be away for a few weeks so in the meantime I'll probably post a request for discussion of what people would want to improve with the Echoplex Digital Pro. Maybe we can have some input ( no pun intended ) on the future development of this indespensible tool. - Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 04:45:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i458hD124771; Wed, 5 May 2004 04:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 04:43:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C4328D.BE252760@dyn-83-157-171-47.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ... Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:43:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C4328D.BE252760" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4328D.BE252760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what if one of the two guys Dave spoke to could become some kind of focal point at Gibson ? If he was OK to receive an email from everyone seriously = wishing/planning to buy 1 (2, 3 ...) EDPs, this guy would have a good list of strong pending and potential orders and could demonstrate to some "high level" people at Gibson that there are (many) customers waiting for the machine... Francois http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: Andy Ewen [SMTP:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Date: mercredi 5 mai 2004 09:30 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: RE: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ... Sorry guys, but I can't see that date being realistic. We are not releasing any more product out of the UK until we get paid for what we have already shipped. 19 days does not seem quite long enough for us to get paid, ship to the US and then distribute to the shops. Where on earth do Gibson keep getting these dates from? I'm sure the chap you spoke to actually believed that they would ship this month; maybe he does know something we don't :)=20 -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]=20 Sent: 05 May 2004 05:02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ... Dave - This is outstanding information! I also have two echoplexes on back order with Musicians Friend. I hope the word comes to fruition after the 24th. I talked to Musicians Friend the other day, and if I recall correctly, the rep mentioned having 60 something units on the way. I'm totally jazzed. :) Cheers, Krispen Hartung Solo Acoustic Guitarist Boise, Idaho info@krispenhatung.com http://www.krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:32 PM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ... I called Gibson the other day and eventually got in touch with a guy who had some pretty solid info on the Echoplex situation. The word as of today is that the Echoplex will ship to dealers by the end of the month. Likely, sometime after the 24th. Musicians Friend has a number of them on order and should receive them. I've had one on backorder with them since early February so I'm pretty happy about that. I also had a pretty good conversation with the Gibson guy who is handling the Echoplexes. He understands that there is a lot of demand for the product and asked my opinions about a number of things. I consider the Echoplex to be in a class of its own as far as looping hardware goes. That seems to be the general consensus among those I've discussed it with in the past. Though, admittedly, I have not tried most of the other looping devices. We discussed what features I'd like to see in future editions of the Echoplex. My main issues had to do with the fact that it was mono and that the footswitch malfunctions after a relatively short amount of time and has no status lights on it. The guy I talked to seems very interested in finding ways to improve the Echoplex in the future. He's going to be away for a few weeks so in the meantime I'll probably post a request for discussion of what people would want to improve with the Echoplex Digital Pro. Maybe we can have some input ( no pun intended ) on the future development of this indespensible tool. - Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4328D.BE252760 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IgMIAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAIAIAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAZQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdo dEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAFNNVFAATG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdo dC5jb20AAAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAACQAAABMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRA bG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbQADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAmAAAAJ0xvb3BlcnMt RGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tJwAAAAIBCzABAAAAKQAAAFNNVFA6TE9PUEVSUy1E RUxJR0hUQExPT1BFUlMtREVMSUdIVC5DT00AAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAB4A9l8BAAAAJAAA AExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAAIB918BAAAAZQAAAAAAAACBKx+k 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Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i459P2j30658; Wed, 5 May 2004 05:25:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 05:25:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:24:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <9MkutD.A.6eH.uLLmAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why would we join this group as Loopers delight fulfills 100% of expertise on the EDP already Claude > I thought it might be a good idea to create a forum exclusively for the > discussion of the Echoplex Digital Pro at Yahoo Groups but I guess someone > beat me to it. It's pretty dead but maybe we can get it going. You can join > at: > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/EchoplexPro/ > > - Dave > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 05:55:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i459sCo03284; Wed, 5 May 2004 05:54:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 05:54:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C43297.A9045360@dyn-83-157-171-47.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:54:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C43297.A90D7B20" Resent-Message-ID: <4PQOgD.A.Nz.EnLmAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C43297.A90D7B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and why not ? maybe other people could be interested in the Yahoo group (Andre Lafosse = for ex) ... Francois http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: Claude Voit [SMTP:c.voit@vtx.ch] Date: mercredi 5 mai 2004 11:25 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group Why would we join this group as Loopers delight fulfills 100% of = expertise on the EDP already Claude > I thought it might be a good idea to create a forum exclusively for = the > discussion of the Echoplex Digital Pro at Yahoo Groups but I guess = someone > beat me to it. It's pretty dead but maybe we can get it going. 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Wed, 5 May 2004 10:07:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:07:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.164.114] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: "Reflector Loopers-Delight" Subject: OT: album review Continuum Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 07:07:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C4326F.9A47C550"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.00.0013.2101 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 5 May 2004 07:07:18 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2004 14:07:26.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B97B880:01C432AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C4326F.9A47C550 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0017_01C4326F.9A4A3650" ------=_NextPart_001_0017_01C4326F.9A4A3650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Forgive me for failing to contain my delight, but my band's debut album = received quite a nice first review on ProgGnosis and I felt compelled to = share it on LD: http://www.proggnosis.com/MUSIC_DBCDInfo.asp?txtCDID=3D12087# BTW I wouldn't classify it as a 'looping' album per se, but we do employ = looping quite extensively within the band context, both as a performance = and a compositional instument. Our songs vary in looposity between = entirely non-reiterative and fully looped. Thanks for indulging : - ) Best, Nic http://www.fractal-continuum.com=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ------=_NextPart_001_0017_01C4326F.9A4A3650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
Forgive me for failing to contain my delight, but my band's debut = album=20 received quite a nice first review on ProgGnosis and I felt compelled to = share=20 it on LD:
 
 
BTW I wouldn't classify it as a 'looping' album per se, but we do = employ=20 looping quite extensively within the band context, both as a performance = and a=20 compositional instument. Our songs vary in looposity between entirely=20 non-reiterative and fully looped.
 
Thanks for indulging : - )
Best,
Nic
 
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Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 08:27:45 -0600 Message-ID: <013501c432ad$22edd740$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0136_01C4327A.D8536740" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <01C4328D.BE252760@dyn-83-157-171-47.ppp.tiscali.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: <1SOppD.A.K5H.nnPmAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01C4327A.D8536740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sure all you who have recently ordered EDPs from MF have seen this: " As you may recall from the Item Status on our website or from speaking with us when you placed your order, the item(s) listed below are not in stock. Our orders for this gear have been expedited through the manufacturer, and we are still expecting to ship your products within the timeframe originally quoted. If we anticipate an extended delay, we will contact you again to verify any changes you may wish to make. We sincerely appreciate your patience in awaiting these backordered items. Rest assured that Musician's Friend buying power is working on your behalf to make sure your gear needs get top priority with manufacturers. If you have any questions about your order or need further assistance, please click on the link below to visit our customer support center where you can view our knowledge base or submit a question." Kris > -----Original Message----- > From: F Lebrun [mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:43 AM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ... >=20 >=20 > what if one of the two guys Dave spoke to could become some kind > of focal point at Gibson ? >=20 > If he was OK to receive an email from everyone seriously > wishing/planning > to buy 1 (2, 3 ...) EDPs, this guy would have a good list > of strong pending and potential orders and could demonstrate > to some "high level" people at Gibson that there are (many) > customers waiting for the machine... >=20 > Francois > http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Andy Ewen [SMTP:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] > Date: mercredi 5 mai 2004 09:30 > =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Objet: RE: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ... >=20 > Sorry guys, but I can't see that date being realistic. We are > not > releasing any more product out of the UK until we get paid for > what we > have already shipped. 19 days does not seem quite long enough > for us to > get paid, ship to the US and then distribute to the shops. > Where on earth do Gibson keep getting these dates from? I'm sure > the > chap you spoke to actually believed that they would ship this > month; > maybe he does know something we don't :)=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]=20 > Sent: 05 May 2004 05:02 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ... >=20 > Dave - This is outstanding information! I also have two > echoplexes on > back order with Musicians Friend. I hope the word comes to > fruition > after the 24th. I talked to Musicians Friend the other day, and > if I > recall correctly, the rep mentioned having 60 something units on > the > way. I'm totally jazzed. :) >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Krispen Hartung > Solo Acoustic Guitarist > Boise, Idaho > info@krispenhatung.com > http://www.krispenhartung.com >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:32 PM > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ... >=20 >=20 > I called Gibson the other day and eventually got in touch with a > guy who > had some pretty solid info on the Echoplex situation. The word > as of > today is that the Echoplex will ship to dealers by the end of > the month. > Likely, sometime after the 24th. >=20 > Musicians Friend has a number of them on order and should > receive them. > I've had one on backorder with them since early February so I'm > pretty > happy about that. >=20 > I also had a pretty good conversation with the Gibson guy who is > handling the Echoplexes. He understands that there is a lot of > demand > for the product and asked my opinions about a number of things. > I > consider the Echoplex to be in a class of its own as far as > looping > hardware goes. That seems to be the general consensus among > those I've > discussed it with in the past. Though, admittedly, I have not > tried most > of the other looping devices. >=20 > We discussed what features I'd like to see in future editions of > the > Echoplex. My main issues had to do with the fact that it was > mono and > that the footswitch malfunctions after a relatively short amount > of time > and has no status lights on it. >=20 > The guy I talked to seems very interested in finding ways to > improve the > Echoplex in the future. He's going to be away for a few weeks so > in the > meantime I'll probably post a request for discussion of what > people > would want to improve with the Echoplex Digital Pro. Maybe we > can have > some input ( no pun intended ) on the future development of this > indespensible tool. >=20 > - Dave >=20 > http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01C4327A.D8536740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Latest word on Echoplex ship date ...

I'm sure all you who have recently ordered EDPs from MF = have seen this:

" As you = may recall from the Item Status on our website or from speaking with us = when you placed your order, the  item(s) listed below are not in = stock.  Our orders for this gear have been expedited through the = manufacturer, and we  are still expecting to ship your products = within the timeframe  originally quoted.  If we anticipate an = extended delay, we will  contact you again to verify any changes = you may wish to make.

We sincerely = appreciate your patience in awaiting these  backordered items. Rest = assured that Musician's Friend buying  power is working on your = behalf to make sure your gear needs get  top priority with = manufacturers.  If you have any questions about your order or need = further  assistance, please click on the link below to visit = our  customer support center where you can view our knowledge  = base or submit a question."

Kris




     -----Original Message-----
    From: =   F Lebrun = [mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr]
    Sent:   Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:43 AM
    To:     'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
    Subject:       = RE: Latest word on Echoplex ship = date ...


    what if one of the two guys Dave spoke to could become = some kind
    of = focal point at Gibson ?

    If = he was OK to receive an email from everyone seriously = wishing/planning
    to = buy 1 (2, 3 ...) EDPs, this guy would have a good list
    of = strong pending and potential orders and could demonstrate
    to = some "high level" people at Gibson that there are = (many)
    customers waiting for the machine...

    Francois
            http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times



      -----Message = d'origine-----
      De:     Andy Ewen [SMTP:andy.ewen@btinternet.com]
      Date:   mercredi 5 mai 2004 09:30
      =C0:      Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
      Objet:  RE: = Latest word on Echoplex ship date ...

      Sorry guys, but I = can't see that date being realistic. We are not
      releasing any more = product out of the UK until we get paid for what we
      have already = shipped. 19 days does not seem quite long enough for us to
      get paid, ship to = the US and then distribute to the shops.
      Where on earth do = Gibson keep getting these dates from? I'm sure the
      chap you spoke to = actually believed that they would ship this month;
      maybe he does know = something we don't :)

      -----Original = Message-----
      From: Krispen = Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
      Sent: 05 May 2004 = 05:02
      To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
      Subject: RE: Latest = word on Echoplex ship date ...

      Dave - This is = outstanding information! I also have two echoplexes on
      back order with = Musicians Friend. I hope the word comes to fruition
      after the 24th. I = talked to Musicians Friend the other day, and if I
      recall correctly, = the rep mentioned having 60 something units on the
      way. I'm totally = jazzed. :)

      Cheers,

      Krispen = Hartung
      Solo Acoustic = Guitarist
      Boise, = Idaho
      info@krispenhatung.com
      http://www.krispenhartung.com


      -----Original = Message-----
      From: David J. = Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, May = 04, 2004 9:32 PM
      To: = loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
      Subject: Latest word = on Echoplex ship date ...


      I called Gibson the = other day and eventually got in touch with a guy who
      had some pretty = solid info on the Echoplex situation. The word as of
      today is that the = Echoplex will ship to dealers by the end of the month.
      Likely, sometime = after the 24th.

      Musicians Friend has = a number of them on order and should receive them.
      I've had one on = backorder with them since early February so I'm pretty
      happy about = that.

      I also had a pretty = good conversation with the Gibson guy who is
      handling the = Echoplexes. He understands that there is a lot of demand
      for the product and = asked my opinions about a number of things. I
      consider the = Echoplex to be in a class of its own as far as looping
      hardware goes. That = seems to be the general consensus among those I've
      discussed it with in = the past. Though, admittedly, I have not tried most
      of the other looping = devices.

      We discussed what = features I'd like to see in future editions of the
      Echoplex. My main = issues had to do with the fact that it was mono and
      that the footswitch = malfunctions after a relatively short amount of time
      and has no status = lights on it.

      The guy I talked to = seems very interested in finding ways to improve the
      Echoplex in the = future. He's going to be away for a few weeks so in the
      meantime I'll = probably post a request for discussion of what people
      would want to = improve with the Echoplex Digital Pro. Maybe we can have
      some input ( no pun = intended ) on the future development of this
      indespensible = tool.

          - = Dave

      http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/=




------=_NextPart_000_0136_01C4327A.D8536740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 11:58:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45Fu3319042; Wed, 5 May 2004 11:56:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:56:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 18:00:58 +0200 Subject: new EDP features From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: ECTin-ZOre5lq7LRBo6dK2vmqccMnBAat3hWMxZxaROmvTHrfOkI0f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I am grabbing the opportunity of discussing what I would like to see in a future EDP update. Let me start by telling that I am very excited with the advanced possibilities of LOOP IV since I am able to contol them via Midi. It gives me such a great amount of control other the recorded audio that I use the EDP now in a lot more musical situations (like free improvised sets) than before, when it was "just" an intelligently set up ostinato box. It has become more of a distinct musical voice for me now. Stereo and non-volatile memory is nothing I would be too crazy about. All I can really think of as a nice addition would be: a) seamless control of delay-time-linked-to-pitch (like the older Digitech's and the EH 16 do), b) continuous control of tempo/delay time WITHOUT pitchshift (timestrech, like the RPT does) and c) a constant reverse mode, where I could have like 5 sec. of continuously reversed delay. As far as those sweet talking fellas on the Gibson hotlines....guys, don't be naive. I think that they know as much about the EDP and what they want to do with this item as George Bush knows about the backstreets of Bagdad. I mean, they are sitting in Nashville, not in Paris, New York or Chicago and they are just gross... Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 12:38:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45GWrl28213; Wed, 5 May 2004 12:32:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:32:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:29:33 -0700 To: rz@zvonar.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: acf/LA Composer to Composer with GAYLE YOUNG - 5/09/04 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1128347840==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <7p-jGB.A.u4G.1cRmAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1128347840==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" American Composers Forum of Los Angeles proudly presents: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ COMPOSER TO COMPOSER WITH GAYLE YOUNG ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Presentation by composer/instrument builder GAYLE YOUNG, moderated by Richard ZVONAR CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF THE ARTS Main Gallery (near ROD recital hall) 24700 McBean Parkway Valencia, CA 91355 Sunday, MAY 9, 2004, 2:00-5:00 PM Free admission Hands-on lecture/workshop on microtonal instruments In conjunction with her performance titled "New Tunings for New Instruments" on the Musical Explorations series at REDCAT, composer/instrument builder Gayle Young will demonstrate her instruments and discuss her work in an informal gathering sponsored by acf/LA. GAYLE YOUNG (b. 1950) is a composer, author and inventor of musical instruments and notational systems. In the tradition of Harry Partch, the great California champion of alternative tuning systems, Young designs and builds her own instruments. These include the Columbine, a metallophone using 23 pitches per octave in an expanded Just Intonation tuning system, and the Amaranth, a 24-string instrument with a moveable bridge system that allows it to be tuned to any set of pitches. Young is also an important contributor to contemporary music through her publications. She is the author of The Sackbut Blues (1989), a biography of Hugh Le Caine, the foremost Canadian inventor of electronic instruments. and is the editor of Musicworks Magazine, journal of Sound Exploration. In her May 12 concert at REDCAT, Young will play, among other works, Study In Eleven Over Nine for Amaranth and pre-recorded sound; In Motion for Columbine with pre-recorded tape, based on simple intervals in Just Intonation taken out of a tonal context; and Moving From My Sight for Columbine and four hands, based on sum and difference tones within the tuning system of the instrument. For information on Gayle Young's performance at REDCAT, see: http://redcat.org/season/music/gayleyoung.html For information on Musicworks Magazine, see: http://www.musicworks.ca/ One of Gayle Young's articles can be found at: Between Seeing and Hearing: Sensing Energy at Another Level http://www.electronetwork.org/works/hh/powerlines/musicworks/ -- >------| || ||| ||||| |||||||| ||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||------< American Composers Forum of Los Angeles - Composer to Composer Series >------|||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||| |||||||| ||||| ||| || |------< Need more info?: (818) 788-2202 or =========================================================================== If you want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe c2c -- --============_-1128347840==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" acf/LA Composer to Composer with GAYLE YOUNG - 5/09/04
American Composers Forum of Los Angeles proudly presents:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
COMPOSER TO COMPOSER WITH GAYLE YOUNG
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Presentation by composer/instrument builder GAYLE YOUNG, moderated by Richard ZVONAR

CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF THE ARTS
Main Gallery (near ROD recital hall)
24700 McBean Parkway
Valencia, CA 91355

Sunday, MAY 9, 2004, 2:00-5:00 PM

Free admission



Hands-on lecture/workshop on microtonal instruments

In conjunction with her performance titled "New Tunings for New Instruments" on the Musical Explorations series at REDCAT, composer/instrument builder Gayle Young will demonstrate her instruments and discuss her work in an informal gathering sponsored by acf/LA.


GAYLE YOUNG (b. 1950) is a composer, author and inventor of musical instruments and notational systems. In the tradition of Harry Partch, the great California champion of alternative tuning systems, Young designs and builds her own instruments. These include the Columbine, a metallophone using 23 pitches per octave in an expanded Just Intonation tuning system, and the Amaranth, a 24-string instrument with a moveable bridge system that allows it to be tuned to any set of pitches.

Young is also an important contributor to contemporary music through her publications. She is  the author of The Sackbut Blues (1989), a biography of Hugh Le Caine, the foremost Canadian inventor of electronic instruments. and is the editor of Musicworks Magazine, journal of Sound Exploration.


In her May 12 concert at REDCAT, Young will play, among other works, Study In Eleven Over Nine for Amaranth and pre-recorded sound; In Motion for Columbine with pre-recorded tape, based on simple intervals in Just Intonation taken out of a tonal context; and Moving From My Sight for Columbine and four hands, based on sum and difference tones within the tuning system of the instrument.




For information on Gayle Young's performance at REDCAT, see:

http://redcat.org/season/music/gayleyoung.html


For information on Musicworks Magazine, see:

http://www.musicworks.ca/

One of Gayle Young's articles can  be found at:

Between Seeing and Hearing: Sensing Energy at Another Level
http://www.electronetwork.org/works/hh/powerlines/musicworks/


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--============_-1128347840==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 13:39:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45HaUm09116; Wed, 5 May 2004 13:36:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:36:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:57:29 -0700 From: dave@unpronounceable.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group References: <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> In-Reply-To: <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Why would we join this group as Loopers delight fulfills 100% of expertise > on the EDP already Because this group is for looping in general and is not specific to the Echoplex yet the group appears to be dominated by Echoplex-specific postings. I personally don't have a problem with that but I'm sure many here would appreciate not being flooded with posts that are completely irrelevant to them. The Yahoo Groups forums are pretty good and allow the posting of files for people to share. An Echoplex users group seems like a very good idea to me. We could post Echoplex-related messages there that might not be as relevant or as welcome here. I'm sure that most Boomerang users could care less when the Echoplex ships or what combination of MIDI parameters can be used to this or that. :-) - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 13:50:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45HjlQ11464; Wed, 5 May 2004 13:45:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:45:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <064AA5BE-9EBC-11D8-B0BA-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: new EDP features Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:45:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 5, 2004, at 6:00 PM, Andreas Willers wrote: > ... c) a constant reverse mode, where I could have like 5 sec. > of continuously reversed delay. > I'm not sure about exactly what you mean by "constant reverse mode"? It does in fact already reverse every time you press the reverse button. On thing I would like to wish though, is a "divided reverse overdub mode", meaning that any overdub will play back reversed - not the sum of all previous layers. The reversed playback (of your last overdub) should start (1) when you go out of overdub or (2) when the loop starts turns around. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 14:01:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45Hvt814499; Wed, 5 May 2004 13:57:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:57:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040505104100.01ac3ee0@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 10:55:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group In-Reply-To: <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> References: <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LD has a files area: http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ At 09:57 AM 2004/05/05, dave@unpronounceable.com wrote: >The Yahoo Groups forums are pretty good and allow the posting of files for >people to share. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 14:04:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45I25l16989; Wed, 5 May 2004 14:02:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:02:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c432cb$48bb4980$cd995142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:03:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With all due respect - This forum has taken *years* to develop and the information base includes member profiles, faq files, products in production and discontined products, product hacks, tips and tricks, a searchable list archive, provides user discounts by using links to various vendor sites etc. There are also NO POPUPS or appended advertisements, thanks to Kim Flint's consistent dedication to maintaining this site. Despite the fact that Andre LaFosse, a very major contributor has left, the rest of us are still monitoring relevant information of interest. The subject line says it all... if you're not interested please feel free to delete it. I personally couldn't be persuaded to monitor yet another list. The real schnizztttt is right here in spades. Regards, -Mikko "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" Check out my CD, 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ICS Santa Cruz X-Ray Lodge! http://www.powerhat.com/ics ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:57 AM Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group > > Why would we join this group as Loopers delight fulfills 100% of expertise > > on the EDP already > > Because this group is for looping in general and is not specific to the > Echoplex yet the group appears to be dominated by Echoplex-specific postings. > I personally don't have a problem with that but I'm sure many here would > appreciate not being flooded with posts that are completely irrelevant to them. > > The Yahoo Groups forums are pretty good and allow the posting of files for > people to share. An Echoplex users group seems like a very good idea to me. We > could post Echoplex-related messages there that might not be as relevant or as > welcome here. I'm sure that most Boomerang users could care less when the > Echoplex ships or what combination of MIDI parameters can be used to this or > that. :-) > > - Dave > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 14:08:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45I4u418381; Wed, 5 May 2004 14:04:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:04:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex Pro Yahoo Group Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:04:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Thread-Index: AcQyyCnWLAEejNY/QlGYwLKw+eOM7AAAp73w Message-Id: <20040505180450.OQBT15944.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----->This forum as created by Kim Flint (thanks Kim!) has extraordinarily flexible limits-- Reasonable folks everywhere can post where they want, but this place rocks-- How was Loopstock? Gary Claude wondered: > Why would we join this group as Loopers delight fulfills 100% of > expertise on the EDP already Dave said: Because this group is for looping in general and is not specific to the Echoplex yet the group appears to be dominated by Echoplex-specific postings. I personally don't have a problem with that but I'm sure many here would appreciate not being flooded with posts that are completely irrelevant to them. The Yahoo Groups forums are pretty good and allow the posting of files for people to share. An Echoplex users group seems like a very good idea to me. We could post Echoplex-related messages there that might not be as relevant or as welcome here. I'm sure that most Boomerang users could care less when the Echoplex ships or what combination of MIDI parameters can be used to this or that. :-) - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 14:20:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45ICv321272; Wed, 5 May 2004 14:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200405051812.i45ICup21244@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:12:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> Thread-Index: AcQyWIAMuolIRgcwQEqqmP1CqMd0cAAc4ZDw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know what might be better is a real forum based on YaBB SE or the newer Simple Machines. This would prove easier to search on or to save and archive older but still pertinant material. I also think it is better that it be about loopers in general and not specific to one device though a forum would allow for organizing topics by device. Just a thought I know some still prefer the email system. -----Original Message----- From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group I thought it might be a good idea to create a forum exclusively for the discussion of the Echoplex Digital Pro at Yahoo Groups but I guess someone beat me to it. It's pretty dead but maybe we can get it going. You can join at: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/EchoplexPro/ - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 14:29:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45IOJC23686; Wed, 5 May 2004 14:24:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:24:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:24:12 -0700 To: rz@zvonar.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: FRED FRITH May 16 on acf/LA Composer to Composer series Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1128341039==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1128341039==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable American Composers Forum of Los Angeles proudly presents: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ COMPOSER TO COMPOSER WITH FRED FRITH ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A conversation with composer/improviser FRED FRITH, moderated by Richard ZVO= NAR TUTTOMEDIA STUDIO 312 Fifth Avenue (at Rose) Venice, CA 90291 Sunday, MAY 16, 2004, 2:00-5:00 PM $10 admission In conjunction with his performance with the=20 California EAR Unit titled "Do You Know Fred?" at=20 LA County Museum of Art, composer/improviser Fred=20 =46rith will discuss his recent work in an informal=20 gathering sponsored by acf/LA. =46red Frith, composer, improviser and=20 multi-instrumentalist, has situated himself for=20 more than thirty years in the area where rock=20 music and new music meet. Co-founder of the=20 British underground band Henry Cow (1968-78), he=20 moved to New York in the late seventies and came=20 into contact with many of the musicians with=20 whom he's since been associated, including, for=20 example, John Zorn, Ikue Mori, Tom Cora, Zeena=20 Parkins, and Bob Ostertag. =46ourteen years in New York gave rise to groups=20 like Massacre (with Bill Laswell and Fred Maher),=20 Skeleton Crew (with Tom and Zeena), and Keep the=20 Dog, a sextet performing an extensive repertoire=20 of Frith's compositions. In the eighties he began to write for dance,=20 film, and theatre. Recent film credits, for=20 example include The Tango Lesson and The Man Who=20 Cried (Sally Potter), Gambling, Gods, and LSD=20 (Peter Mettler), and Rivers & Tides (Thomas=20 Riedelsheimer). He has also composed for Rova Sax=20 Quartet, Ensemble Modern, Asko Ensemble, and a=20 number of other groups, including his own=20 critically acclaimed Guitar Quartet. Best known=20 world-wide as an improvising guitarist, Frith has=20 performed in a variety of other contexts, playing=20 bass in John Zorn's Naked City, violin in Lars=20 Hollmer's Looping Home Orchestra, and guitar on=20 recordings ranging from The Residents and Ren=E9=20 Lussier to Brian Eno and Amy Denio. =46rith is the subject of Nicolas Humbert and=20 Werner Penzels' award-winning documentary film=20 Step Across the Border. He is currently=20 Professor of Composition at Mills College in=20 Oakland, California, where he lives with=20 photographer Heike Liss and their children Finn=20 and Lucia. =46red Frith's Web site: http://www.fredfrith.com/ =46or information on Fred Frith's performance at LACMA, see: http://www.lacma.org/art/music/musicAllInfo.htm -- >------| || ||| ||||| |||||||| ||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||------< American Composers Forum of Los Angeles - Composer to Composer Serie= s >------|||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||| |||||||| ||||| ||| || |------< Need more info?: (818) 788-2202 or =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D If you want to remove yourself from this mailing=20 list, you can send mail to =20 with the following command in the body of your=20 email message: unsubscribe c2c -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1128341039==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FRED FRITH May 16 on acf/LA Composer to Composer series
American Composers Forum of Los Angeles proudly presents:

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COMPOSER TO COMPOSER WITH FRED =46RITH
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A conversation with composer/improviser FRED FRITH, moderated by Richard ZVONAR

TUTTOMEDIA STUDIO
312 Fifth Avenue (at Rose)  
Venice, CA 90291

Sunday, MAY 16, 2004, 2:00-5:00 PM

$10 admission



In conjunction with his performance with the California EAR Unit titled "Do You Know Fred?" at LA County Museum of Art, composer/improviser Fred Frith will discuss his recent work in an informal gathering sponsored by acf/LA.


Fred  Frith, composer, improviser and multi-instrumentalist, has situated himself for more than thirty years in the area where rock music and new music meet. Co-founder of  the British underground band Henry Cow (1968-78), he  moved to New York in the late seventies and came into  contact with many of the musicians with whom he's since been associated, including, for example, John  Zorn, Ikue Mori, Tom Cora, Zeena Parkins, and  Bob Ostertag.

Fourteen years in New York gave rise to groups like Massacre (with Bill Laswell and Fred Maher), Skeleton Crew (with Tom and Zeena), and Keep the Dog, a sextet performing an extensive repertoire of Frith's compositions.

In  the eighties he began to write for dance, film, and theatre. Recent film credits, for example include The Tango Lesson and The Man Who Cried (Sally Potter), Gambling, Gods, and LSD (Peter Mettler), and Rivers & Tides (Thomas Riedelsheimer). He has also composed for Rova Sax Quartet, Ensemble Modern, Asko Ensemble, and a number of other groups, including his own critically acclaimed Guitar Quartet. Best known world-wide as an improvising guitarist, Frith has performed in a variety of other contexts, playing bass in John Zorn's  Naked City, violin in Lars Hollmer's Looping Home Orchestra, and guitar on recordings ranging from The Residents and Ren=E9 Lussier to Brian Eno and Amy Denio. 

Frith is the subject of Nicolas Humbert and Werner Penzels' award-winning  documentary film Step Across the Border. He is currently  Professor of Composition at Mills College in Oakland, California, where he lives with photographer Heike Liss and their children Finn and Lucia.



Fred Frith's Web site:

http://www.fredfrith.com/

For information on Fred Frith's performance at LACMA, see:

http://www.lacma.org/art/music/musicAllInfo.htm


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--============_-1128341039==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 14:51:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45IjBX27282; Wed, 5 May 2004 14:45:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:45:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <3A4FB1E7.4060301@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:23:35 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FRED FRITH May 16 on acf/LA Composer to Composer series References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Richard, Give Fred a Hug from me. Have fun ! (wish I could be there) luca formentini www.unguitar.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > American Composers Forum of Los Angeles proudly presents: > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > COMPOSER TO COMPOSER WITH FRED FRITH > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > A conversation with composer/improviser FRED FRITH, moderated by > Richard ZVONAR > > > TUTTOMEDIA STUDIO > > 312 Fifth Avenue (at Rose) > > Venice, CA 90291 > > > Sunday, MAY 16, 2004, 2:00-5:00 PM > > > $10 admission > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > In conjunction with his performance with the California EAR Unit > titled "Do You Know Fred?" at LA County Museum of Art, > composer/improviser Fred Frith will discuss his recent work in an > informal gathering sponsored by acf/LA. > > > Fred Frith, composer, improviser and multi-instrumentalist, has > situated himself for more than thirty years in the area where rock > music and new music meet. Co-founder of the British underground band > Henry Cow (1968-78), he moved to New York in the late seventies and > came into contact with many of the musicians with whom he's since > been associated, including, for example, John Zorn, Ikue Mori, Tom > Cora, Zeena Parkins, and Bob Ostertag. > > Fourteen years in New York gave rise to groups like Massacre (with > Bill Laswell and Fred Maher), Skeleton Crew (with Tom and Zeena), and > Keep the Dog, a sextet performing an extensive repertoire of Frith's > compositions. > > In the eighties he began to write for dance, film, and theatre. > Recent film credits, for example include The Tango Lesson and The Man > Who Cried (Sally Potter), Gambling, Gods, and LSD (Peter Mettler), and > Rivers & Tides (Thomas Riedelsheimer). He has also composed for Rova > Sax Quartet, Ensemble Modern, Asko Ensemble, and a number of other > groups, including his own critically acclaimed Guitar Quartet. Best > known world-wide as an improvising guitarist, Frith has performed in a > variety of other contexts, playing bass in John Zorn's Naked City, > violin in Lars Hollmer's Looping Home Orchestra, and guitar on > recordings ranging from The Residents and René Lussier to Brian Eno > and Amy Denio. > > Frith is the subject of Nicolas Humbert and Werner Penzels' > award-winning documentary film Step Across the Border. He is > currently Professor of Composition at Mills College in Oakland, > California, where he lives with photographer Heike Liss and their > children Finn and Lucia. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Fred Frith's Web site: > > http://www.fredfrith.com/ > > > For information on Fred Frith's performance at LACMA, see: > > > http://www.lacma.org/art/music/musicAllInfo.htm > > > > -- > >------| || ||| ||||| |||||||| ||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||------< > > American Composers Forum of Los Angeles - Composer to Composer > Series > > >------|||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||| |||||||| ||||| ||| || |------< > > > Need more info?: (818) 788-2202 or > > > =========================================================================== > > If you want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send > mail to with the following command in the body of > your email message: unsubscribe c2c > >-- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 15:04:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45J1xI31446; Wed, 5 May 2004 15:01:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:01:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:17:36 -0700 From: dave@unpronounceable.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group References: <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <000901c432cb$48bb4980$cd995142@Biffoz> In-Reply-To: <000901c432cb$48bb4980$cd995142@Biffoz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Miko Biffle : > With all due respect - This forum has taken *years* to develop and the > information base includes member profiles, faq files, products in production > and discontined products, product hacks, tips and tricks, a searchable list I never meant to imply that this forum needed any kind of replacement. I think that a group exclusively for the discussion of the Echoplex unit and it's usage would be a valuable asset. The fact that such a group already exists means that I'm not the only one that feels that way. If nobody else has a problem with the massive number of Echoplex-specific posts to this list, I certainly don't have a problem with it. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 15:20:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45JHEq00739; Wed, 5 May 2004 15:17:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:17:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 15:16:52 -0400 From: "kevin messerschmidt" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: kmesse@lycos.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: RC-20 in worship services X-Sender-Ip: 192.153.25.250 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hullo... I've joined the ranks of loopers, and I'm a newbie. That could label me as ignorant, dangerous or both. Got my RC-20 in the mail yesterday off Ebay that I've been dreaming of for months. My main use will be live in a worship service (or just live for non-churchgoers), so I will be learning to use it live. I saw the potential and had to have it! I play solo acoustic, and have a drummer I play along with. I welcome ANY tips or conversation about using this thing live. Be positive! I can usually overcome any shortcomings when I try hard enough. Right off the bat comments: the sample time is perfect for a quick verse and chorus, then repeat and play over it ad nauseum. First problem is that the church is small, so you'll hear the acoustic playing in the room so it'll be louder than any subsequent output without it playing. Fix 1 is to play electric, but I don't. Fix 2 seems reasonable, record tracks during our practice and save them, then just dial them in and play over them with the acoustic during the service. I play through an over-loaded pedalboard straight into the system, mixing dry and wet. Fix 3 is to go into an acoustic amp and not into the system. Second problem, any way to have a loop of verse, and a loop of chorus, and pop between the two? The basic worship song is V-C-V-C-C and occasional bridge. This thing didn't come with a manual. Third problem, this thing didn't come with a manual. Does anyone have one that they could scan in? The one on the RC-20 page helps a little, but I'm a visual person... I'd love to actually look at one. I'd even be willing to convert it to a pretty pdf and upload it to the RC-20 page. Kevin Thinking out loud, thanks for listening... Gear now: Yamaha Acoustic >> Boss CS-3 > Ibanez DL of some sort, used as a splitter just cuz I had it laying around. > dry out to Morley volume > Yamaha FX-500 >stereo out (volume controls ambience) > delay out to Digitech X-series MultiChorus > stereo out (this goes into the system as is) Stereo out of both into a tiny little midiman mixer out to the system in stereo, and I have 2 more inputs for something else, like minidisc or puter or something... Now I got this RC20... any suggestions where to put it? ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 16:04:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45JuMV07018; Wed, 5 May 2004 15:56:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:56:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 21:50:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> References: <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <9HbDjD.A.etB.mbUmAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, > a forum exclusively for the > discussion of the Echoplex Digital Pro Please don't. This forum is the best place to discuss the EDP. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 16:52:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45KnBG16486; Wed, 5 May 2004 16:49:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:49:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040505142507.04edf068@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 15:48:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group In-Reply-To: <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> References: <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <000901c432cb$48bb4980$cd995142@Biffoz> <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:17 PM 5/5/2004, dave@unpronounceable.com wrote: >I never meant to imply that this forum needed any kind of replacement. I >think >that a group exclusively for the discussion of the Echoplex unit and it's >usage would be a valuable asset. The fact that such a group already exists >means that I'm not the only one that feels that way. > >If nobody else has a problem with the massive number of Echoplex-specific >posts to this list, I certainly don't have a problem with it. Speaking from an outside viewpoint here... I'm not an EDP user (Repeater & Echo Pro). However, I can say that there is a fantastic amount of information I get from *both* Loopers-Delight and Yahoo's Repeater Group. I wouldn't give up either of them, and I have no trouble keeping up with the new information passed in both of the groups. So, based on the actual experience of watching LD co-exist with a separate Repeater group, I don't see how another EDP-focused group could do anything but provide more of a good thing. Of course, YMMV. And as far as non-EDP users taking issue with the number of EDP posts on LD, it really doesn't bother me personally. Unless an EDP post happens to be Matthias sending in a dev update (yes, I'm another of the growing throng eagerly awaiting the Chameleon port), it's just an excuse to give my 'delete' key a workout. ;) -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 17:25:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45LMdf23077; Wed, 5 May 2004 17:22:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 17:22:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1083788336.40994c30983a1@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:18:56 -0700 From: dave@unpronounceable.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group References: <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > a forum exclusively for the > > discussion of the Echoplex Digital Pro > > Please don't. > > This forum is the best place to discuss the EDP. I didn't. The group was already there. Why would you care if there was another group for the discussion of the Echoplex in addition to this group? There happens to be a Yahoo Group for the Electrix Repeater that seems to be doing pretty well ( http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/ ). Loopers-Delight isn't a cult (though, lately I've begun to wonder). People are free to create join whatever other mailing lists they choose to. Let's just end this topic. I'm sorry I bothered. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 17:35:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45LWr824749; Wed, 5 May 2004 17:32:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 17:32:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40995D83.7070902@biink.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 17:32:51 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040421 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group References: <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <1083788336.40994c30983a1@webmail.unpronounceable.com> In-Reply-To: <1083788336.40994c30983a1@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dave@unpronounceable.com wrote: >>>a forum exclusively for the >>>discussion of the Echoplex Digital Pro >>> >>> >>Please don't. >> >>This forum is the best place to discuss the EDP. >> >> > >I didn't. The group was already there. > >Why would you care if there was another group for the discussion of the >Echoplex in addition to this group? There happens to be a Yahoo Group for the >Electrix Repeater that seems to be doing pretty well ( >http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/ ). > >Loopers-Delight isn't a cult (though, lately I've begun to wonder). People are >free to create join whatever other mailing lists they choose to. > >Let's just end this topic. I'm sorry I bothered. > Maybe some Kool-aid could patch things up? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 19:05:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45N2te06303; Wed, 5 May 2004 19:02:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:02:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040505153319.01b3a3f8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 16:00:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040505142507.04edf068@spamarrest.com> References: <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <000901c432cb$48bb4980$cd995142@Biffoz> <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Creating an EDP yahoo group isn't thinking big enough - there needs to be a bunch of new groups on yahoo in order move all the spurious discussion that only applies to a certain segment of the LD population off of LD. That way LD can be used only for discussions of things that apply to 100% of the subscribers. - repeater users - edp users - edp + users - Loop IV users - Loop III users - boomerang users - line 6 users - boss pedal users - tube echoplex users - lexicon looping - eventide looping - tapedeck looping - found sound manipulators - guitarists that loop - bassists that loop - percussionists that loop - samplers that loop - cellists that loop - vocalists that loop - turntablists that loop - loopers that use midi - loopers that don't use midi - loopers that sync to drum machines (maybe there should be one of these for each combination of looper and drum machine) - live looping discussions - gig announcements - festival announcements (separate from gig announcements because we wouldn't want anyone to have to subscribe to the gig list just to be informed about festivals) - cd announcements - loop of the week announcements - playlist announcements - loop reviews - books read by loopers - sarcastic replies and retorts - a group for random rants - users that use a single looper - users that use multiple loopers - users that only use a single looper even though they own multiple loopers LD will be solely for people that want to discuss Loopers Delight. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 19:14:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45NBNX07782; Wed, 5 May 2004 19:11:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:11:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040505153319.01b3a3f8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> References: <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <000901c432cb$48bb4980$cd995142@Biffoz> <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040505153319.01b3a3f8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:11:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-VBS-Filter-Version: 1.15 (well.com modified) (smtp) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where would discussions about creating new sub groups go? I think they probably belong in "sarcastic replies and retorts" but they could just as well go into "random rants" or "Looper's Delight" At 4:00 PM -0700 5/5/04, Sean Echevarria wrote: >Creating an EDP yahoo group isn't thinking big enough - there needs to be a bunch of new groups on yahoo in order move all the spurious discussion that only applies to a certain segment of the LD population off of LD. That way LD can be used only for discussions of things that apply to 100% of the subscribers. > >- sarcastic replies and retorts >- a group for random rants > >LD will be solely for people that want to discuss Loopers Delight. -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 19:17:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45NFla08480; Wed, 5 May 2004 19:15:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:15:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4099759F.5060307@biink.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 19:15:43 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040421 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group References: <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <000901c432cb$48bb4980$cd995142@Biffoz> <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040505153319.01b3a3f8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040505153319.01b3a3f8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sean Echevarria wrote: >Creating an EDP yahoo group isn't thinking big enough - there needs to be a bunch of new groups on yahoo in order move all the spurious discussion that only applies to a certain segment of the LD population off of LD. That way LD can be used only for discussions of things that apply to 100% of the subscribers. > >- sarcastic replies and retorts > > I vote for keeping that thread here at LP. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 19:22:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45NHa808738; Wed, 5 May 2004 19:17:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:17:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4099760E.4050802@biink.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 19:17:34 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040421 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group References: <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <000901c432cb$48bb4980$cd995142@Biffoz> <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040505153319.01b3a3f8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can hear crickets. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 19:41:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i45Nceu12374; Wed, 5 May 2004 19:38:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:38:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040505163441.01b2fec0@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 16:35:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040505153319.01b3a3f8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <000901c432cb$48bb4980$cd995142@Biffoz> <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040505153319.01b3a3f8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmm - it wasn't random. I think it would have to be cross-posted between sarcastic replies and LD. At 04:11 PM 2004/05/05, Chris Muir wrote: >Where would discussions about creating new sub groups go? I think they probably belong in "sarcastic replies and retorts" but they could just as well go into "random rants" or "Looper's Delight" > >At 4:00 PM -0700 5/5/04, Sean Echevarria wrote: >>Creating an EDP yahoo group isn't thinking big enough - there needs to be a bunch of new groups on yahoo in order move all the spurious discussion that only applies to a certain segment of the LD population off of LD. That way LD can be used only for discussions of things that apply to 100% of the subscribers. >> >>- sarcastic replies and retorts >>- a group for random rants >> >>LD will be solely for people that want to discuss Loopers Delight. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 20:11:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4609ME18999; Wed, 5 May 2004 20:09:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:09:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4099822B.9080801@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 17:09:15 -0700 From: Ken Axe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031008 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group References: <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <000901c432cb$48bb4980$cd995142@Biffoz> <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> In-Reply-To: <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8LCoTB.A.voE.yIYmAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dave@unpronounceable.com wrote: >Quoting Miko Biffle : > > > >>With all due respect - This forum has taken *years* to develop and the >>information base includes member profiles, faq files, products in production >>and discontined products, product hacks, tips and tricks, a searchable list >> >> > >I never meant to imply that this forum needed any kind of replacement. I think >that a group exclusively for the discussion of the Echoplex unit and it's >usage would be a valuable asset. The fact that such a group already exists >means that I'm not the only one that feels that way. > >If nobody else has a problem with the massive number of Echoplex-specific >posts to this list, I certainly don't have a problem with it. > >- Dave > > > > Well, guess I finally de-cloak here. I have been lurking here for about a month and a half. I do not own any looping device (though I've been playing with Ambiloop). The thing that I like about this group is that there is talk about all types of loopers in one place. That enables me to know what is available out there and what each system can and cannot do. I'm not yet sure what I need in a system so I don't know what I will eventually get. But I will guarantee you that my purchase will be based on the info I get here, and what I find I need as I continue to experiment with ambiloop. As far as to much mail goes, I get a lot more spam for viagra than I'll ever get unwanted posts about the EDP. keep the info coming ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 20:18:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i460Fj520249; Wed, 5 May 2004 20:15:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:15:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1083798482.409973d2c0169@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:08:02 -0700 From: dave@unpronounceable.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group References: <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <000901c432cb$48bb4980$cd995142@Biffoz> <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040505153319.01b3a3f8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040505153319.01b3a3f8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Sean Echevarria : > Creating an EDP yahoo group isn't thinking big enough - there needs to be a > bunch of new groups on yahoo in order move all the spurious discussion that > only applies to a certain segment of the LD population off of LD. That way > LD can be used only for discussions of things that apply to 100% of the > subscribers. That whoooosh of air you felt going over your head was the point I was making. You've obviously missed it. Let it go. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 20:32:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i460UNR22574; Wed, 5 May 2004 20:30:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:30:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040505172131.01b3fa80@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 17:27:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group In-Reply-To: <1083798482.409973d2c0169@webmail.unpronounceable.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040505153319.01b3a3f8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <000901c432cb$48bb4980$cd995142@Biffoz> <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040505153319.01b3a3f8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I duck when things come flying toward my head. Besides - what fun would life be if everything worked out the way we intended it to? At 04:08 PM 2004/05/05, dave@unpronounceable.com wrote: >That whoooosh of air you felt going over your head was the point I was making. >You've obviously missed it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 20:39:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i460cE423779; Wed, 5 May 2004 20:38:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:38:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 17:38:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <4099822B.9080801@comcast.net> Thread-Index: AcQy/vXK4JR7OYA6Qn2rVEJHQowZmgAAxNTA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040506003807.HCHR19283.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Ken Axe [mailto:kenaxe@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group But I will guarantee you that my purchase will be based on the info I get here, and what I find I need as I continue to experiment with ambiloop. ---->Buy an EDP-- But seriously folks, I am more than happy to hear about abstruse use and abuse of the Echoplex rat cheer--as well as the other delays I am acquiring for lag accumulation. So, How was Loopstock? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 21:09:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4614uY29423; Wed, 5 May 2004 21:04:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 21:04:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.127.210.10] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20040506003807.HCHR19283.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: loopstock... Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:04:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2004 01:04:50.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[22068710:01C43306] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com was really fun! I personally had a blast playing and hanging out all day and into the evening with several list members in attendance. All of the performers got a chance to do a short solo segment and participate in several loosely organized impromptu improvisational "jams". At one point almost everyone was on stage playing together which certainly made for a lot of noise! We also had fun convincing several bar regulars that playing the jukebox during our shows wasn't very nice. Although there were a few doubters among the crowd, there were a bunch of people there specifically to see the show, and seemed to enjoy it too. The performers came from all over California, as well as representation from Philadelphia and Zurich, Switzerland: Rick Walker's Loop.pooL Jon Wagner David Giovachinni Max Valentino Stanitarium (Stan-the-man) Bernhard Wagner Michael Klobuchar Bill Walker Hans Lindaur My personal favorite? Convincing a drunk patron that Rick's piece for toy piano was actually a cover of Tom Sawyer by Rush. He really got into the rest of the show after that, since I guess he figured we could play "actual music" after all, even if we didn't have a real band up there on stage. If you didn't make it out to Los Osos this year, you missed out on a lot of fun and some great musical moments. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 5 21:16:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i461End31152; Wed, 5 May 2004 21:14:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 21:14:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040505180147.01c4bdd0@nightviewer.com> X-Sender: mbarrs@nightviewer.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 18:14:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mike Barrs Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group In-Reply-To: <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> References: <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:57 AM 5/5/2004, you wrote: > > Why would we join this group as Loopers delight fulfills 100% of expertise > > on the EDP already > >Because this group is for looping in general and is not specific to the >Echoplex yet the group appears to be dominated by Echoplex-specific postings. >I personally don't have a problem with that but I'm sure many here would >appreciate not being flooded with posts that are completely irrelevant to >them. Two points: I use two Electrix Repeaters. I'm happy with my current setup, but it's hardware I can't replace when it inevitably dies. So I try to stay current with the other options that are out there. Right now, the only realistic option is a pair of EDP's (for stereo). I don't know any better place to keep track of the current state of ALL looping hardware, low to high-end, than here in Looper's Delight. It's easy enough to skip past the EDP posts that don't interest me. Aside from hardware, I'm very interested to hear how others approach the art of looping. Much of that art is hardware-agnostic.... or at least you can get a glimpse of how to work it out with your own hardware. If all the EDP owners split into a separate Yahoo forum, then why wouldn't all the Boomarang, Repeater, etc. owners do the same? And then we'd have NO chance to find the common ground in what we do. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 00:08:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4645Va30696; Thu, 6 May 2004 00:05:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 00:05:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 00:13:39 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group In-Reply-To: <4099760E.4050802@biink.com> Message-ID: References: <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <000901c432cb$48bb4980$cd995142@Biffoz> <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040505153319.01b3a3f8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> <4099760E.4050802@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 5 May 2004, David Beardsley wrote: > I can hear crickets. So can I - in the tank in the other room where I raise them as food for my scorpions. (obLoop: I should sample the cricket chirpings and use them as a stashed loop in the RC-20, or on the Repeater. Hmm.) Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 02:13:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i466C1x02381; Thu, 6 May 2004 02:12:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 02:12:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c43331$0aaef9f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: PERCUSSIONISTS who loop in public Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 23:11:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <5tciJD.A.Bl.xcdmAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was updating a mailing list of mine tonight and decided for the hey of it to try and see how many people I was in contact with who are percussionists or drummers who loop live, either solo or with groups, since that is what I do in my performances. Here is a partial list of those that I know. I must say that the intention of creating such a list is for the purposes of commonality/communication and community and my sincerest apologies to anyone that I may have left out because of various lapses in memory. Please contact me Please help me to make it a more complete list and please forgive me if I have accidentally forgotten you..............I'm pretty tired tonight..............still coming down from Loopstock.............lol. I'll republish this list when everyone who wants to be included is on it. 1) a very partial list of percussionist/drummers who use live looping devices in their performances: Amy X Neuburg Andre Custodio Bill Smith Damon Grossman David Kirkdorffer Gino Robair James Lanpheer Jon Wagner Koorosh Daryaie Larry the "O" Oppenheimer Michael Stauffer Rick Walker Scott Amendola Steve Rice Steve Robertson Timothy Crowe Wally Schnalle 2) some who are primarily melodic loopers who, nonetheless use live percussion loops to augment their live shows: Gareth Whittock Gary Regina Luis Angulo 3) some who are primarily melodic loopers who are nonetheless, very creative drum machine programmers in their work: Michael Haumesser George Demarest Matt Davignon (who should be singled out for his exclusive use of drum machines in some of his shows) 4) some who are primarily melodic loopers who use beatboxing in their live shows: Andrew Chaiken (aka Kid Beyond) Hans Lindauer Per Boysen Michael Shieffel I include myself here because I use a lot of beatboxing. 5) any other categories I may have missed? perhaps everyone could list their favorite rhtymic influences from amongst the non-percussionist/drummers on the list...............I've certainly been inspired by Claude Voit and Andre La Fosse's rhythmic approaches amongst others, for example, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 02:57:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i466sOu09620; Thu, 6 May 2004 02:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 02:54:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 04:58:43 +1000 Subject: Re: new EDP features Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: cameronstreet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <064AA5BE-9EBC-11D8-B0BA-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Message-Id: <3B0BC1A5-9EC6-11D8-BA0C-0030656ECA5E@optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I heard that the LOOPIV software had some sort of noise reduction built > in, but it's not mentioned in the manual? It'll be great if that was adjustable. cam >> ... c) a constant reverse mode, where I could have like 5 sec. >> of continuously reversed delay. >> > > I'm not sure about exactly what you mean by "constant reverse mode"? It > does in fact already reverse every time you press the reverse button. > > On thing I would like to wish though, is a "divided reverse overdub > mode", meaning that any overdub will play back reversed - not the sum > of all previous layers. The reversed playback (of your last overdub) > should start (1) when you go out of overdub or (2) when the loop starts > turns around. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 04:34:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i468Upg25167; Thu, 6 May 2004 04:30:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 04:30:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 10:36:08 +0200 Subject: Re: Re: new EDP features From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3166684568_258075_MIME_Part" X-Seen: false X-ID: E1Vc4wZlYeh6H76-CW5Tfo4rTlif8J7Y5XlBq1-u3v0-ro9QZbmw4a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3166684568_258075_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >> ... c) a constant reverse mode, where I could have like 5 sec. >> of continuously reversed delay. >> >Per wrote: >I'm not sure about exactly what you mean by "constant reverse mode"? It >does in fact already reverse every time you press the reverse button. Uh, language is so hard....I want all incoming material to be played back delayed and reversed continuously (like in my Danelectro Back Talk). The EDP can't do this, it (just like the EH 16) reverses only the current material in the loop and the material fed in at that time span is delayed in forward again. While we are at it: with the ability to store presets the EDP can now serve more as a traditional delay unit besides being a looper. Therefore it would be nice to be able to store delay times and feedback levels in presets (also a highcut filter would be nice to give a delay application a more traditional/useful sound). I might be missing something but this didn't work for me when I tried. It feels so stupid to have to lug an extra delay box to the gig... Kind regards, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3166684568_258075_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Re: new EDP features >> ... c) a constant reverse mode, where I could have like 5 sec.=
>> of continuously reversed delay.
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>Per wrote:
>I'm not sure about exactly what you mean by "constant reverse mode= "? It
>does in fact already reverse every time you press the reverse button.
Uh, language is so hard....I want all incoming material to be played back d= elayed and reversed continuously (like in my Danelectro Back Talk). The EDP = can't do this, it (just like the EH 16) reverses only the current material i= n the loop and the material fed in at that time span is delayed in forward a= gain.

While we are at it: with the ability to store presets the EDP can now serve= more as a traditional delay unit besides being a looper. Therefore it would= be nice to be able to store delay times and feedback levels in presets (als= o a highcut filter would be nice to give a delay application a more traditio= nal/useful sound). I might be missing something but this didn't work for me = when I tried. It feels so stupid to have to lug an extra delay box to the gi= g...

Kind regards, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3166684568_258075_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 07:09:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46B67t26946; Thu, 6 May 2004 07:06:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 07:06:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C4336A.DDC45CC0@dyn-83-152-117-108.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 13:05:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C4336A.DDCD8480" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4336A.DDCD8480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, I fully agree with you about some kind of bad feeling that resulted from you offering a new possibility;=20 your idea was a good open-minded one and should have been received as such instead of being flagged as an attempt to=20 break the "monopolistic" views of LD some people here seem to have. LD has brought me LOTS of unvaluable information, specially about using my EDP, as well as about other guys around the world making the same type of music I love, and just for that, it should be = there.=20 This does not prevent me from wishing there were others sources; I usually like to have more than only one view on things, and when it = feels like I am told "don't look around, this is good for you" ... that feels = ... strange ! Only from the EDP AND other gear tech info point of view, and for the = other people=20 playing loops music, LD is an absolutely must, but I don't think it = should be the one and ONLY exclusive source for this type of info.=20 Is there something making some people feel so "protectivist" about = "their" LD and what ? (and I do notice Kim has not shown any sign of being offended by Dave's = offer).=20 I agree with you Dave, this topic should end, specially because it feels = like on this list some topics which should just be taken for what they are bizarrely become endless sources of posts, in the long run polluting the exchange space (remember that blackface thing ?? oooups ! sorry I = said it again !) Also, you should not feel discouraged or rejected (ho ho ... another one = ?? too bad isn't it ? what is going wrong at LD that members are prevented from exchanging = positive ideas ?),=20 you were in the positive path and negative replies such as "don't do = that" should not=20 even have been posted by their author. I think we should rather focus on building our community instead of = making our members feel rejected because they are not part of what we think they should, or what we think = we own ? Again, what about music lately ? (have not read yet any Loopstock = feedback post but I got one this morning and will read it just after that). Francois http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: dave@unpronounceable.com [SMTP:dave@unpronounceable.com] Date: mercredi 5 mai 2004 22:19 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group > > a forum exclusively for the=20 > > discussion of the Echoplex Digital Pro >=20 > Please don't. >=20 > This forum is the best place to discuss the EDP. I didn't. The group was already there. Why would you care if there was another group for the discussion of the=20 Echoplex in addition to this group? There happens to be a Yahoo Group = for the=20 Electrix Repeater that seems to be doing pretty well (=20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/ ). Loopers-Delight isn't a cult (though, lately I've begun to wonder). = People are=20 free to create join whatever other mailing lists they choose to. Let's just end this topic. 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AAAAAABGAAAAAFSFAAABAAAABAAAADguMAALAB2ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAOhQAAAAAA AAMAHoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABGFAAAAAAAAAwAfgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAA GIUAAAAAAAAeADaACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA2hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA3gAggBgAA AAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAN4UAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AOIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADiF AAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAAMADTT9NwAAxK8= ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4336A.DDCD8480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 11:32:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46FTPs02715; Thu, 6 May 2004 11:29:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:29:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71C539E167E9D4118F700002A513753803B443C3@btexchange.biotek.com> From: Alen Cileli To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Echoplex availability Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:29:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone have any idea about the availability of the Gibson echoplex in the US? I have been trying to get one for 4 months and have had no luck...also if there is anyone selling a used Oberheim or Gibson unit I would be very interested...Any information would be appreciated... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 11:38:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46FZ2I03759; Thu, 6 May 2004 11:35:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:35:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: new EDP features Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 15:27:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2004 15:27:18.0202 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DF261A0:01C4337E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok. here is my new dream EDP features. Just to explain the background to this, I oftern think of EDP as a musical version of Photoshop, meaning that a lot of the tools that are available for sound in one are available for visual in the other, I often think of this Visual/Aural paradigm when I am trying to figure out HOW to do what I want to do. anyhow, the feature that I could use the most is the ability to put a LOCK onto recorded material at a certain stge then Hold that bit at the same level etc, whilst I add,layer and fade out different bits over it ( if you cant imagine this, heres an example of what I currantly use to simulate this, I play the part I want tokeep as my constant , lets say guitar beats and scrapes plus a riff, into the EDP, I then close the Loop and fiddle about with the digidelays delay time till its looping more of less in synch with the edps rythem I can now layer semi-temporys sub-loops in the digidelay that do repete for a whie but can also fade out leaving the other track in tact) , I dont know if any currant looper can do this, it woudl be a cool feature if one did. also this locking that I dream of would mean that i coudl play the aformentioned rhythem section bits, hold it there, the play my verse chords on loop1, then when I jumped to loops2 that underlying loop woud keep copying there along with the chorus chords too, but not the verse chords as would happen now. of course there are always work arounds for these in currant situations, but hey we can always dream. Phill Wilson PS I will of course write more of my ideas if I get time. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 11:53:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46FoKq06064; Thu, 6 May 2004 11:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:50:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: Re: new EDP features Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:46:42 -0600 Message-ID: <001001c43381$5493b2e0$5b0710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jupiter.selectservers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stewardandking.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Repeater allows you to control the feedback separately for different tracks in a loop. It's easy for me, for example, to loop two stereo track pairs (one pair at a time), keeping one pair 'fixed/locked' while I record into the other two tracks in overdub mode and sweep the feedback. You could also patch the FX loop I/O (or just O even) into an external FX processor, assign the tracks that you are recording to the FX loop, and delay your loops thru the external FX processor (or whatever else you want to do) as you sweep the feedback, leaving the 'fixed' tracks going straight out to the mixer/whatever. -----Original Message----- From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: new EDP features Ok. here is my new dream EDP features. Just to explain the background to this, I oftern think of EDP as a musical version of Photoshop, meaning that a lot of the tools that are available for sound in one are available for visual in the other, I often think of this Visual/Aural paradigm when I am trying to figure out HOW to do what I want to do. anyhow, the feature that I could use the most is the ability to put a LOCK onto recorded material at a certain stge then Hold that bit at the same level etc, whilst I add,layer and fade out different bits over it ( if you cant imagine this, heres an example of what I currantly use to simulate this, I play the part I want tokeep as my constant , lets say guitar beats and scrapes plus a riff, into the EDP, I then close the Loop and fiddle about with the digidelays delay time till its looping more of less in synch with the edps rythem I can now layer semi-temporys sub-loops in the digidelay that do repete for a whie but can also fade out leaving the other track in tact) , I dont know if any currant looper can do this, it woudl be a cool feature if one did. also this locking that I dream of would mean that i coudl play the aformentioned rhythem section bits, hold it there, the play my verse chords on loop1, then when I jumped to loops2 that underlying loop woud keep copying there along with the chorus chords too, but not the verse chords as would happen now. of course there are always work arounds for these in currant situations, but hey we can always dream. Phill Wilson PS I will of course write more of my ideas if I get time. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 12:02:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46FxW909253; Thu, 6 May 2004 11:59:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:59:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: cricket sounds? Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 08:59:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-Ja99D.A.ZQC.kDmmAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com where do you get cricket sounds? damon -----Original Message----- From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group On Wed, 5 May 2004, David Beardsley wrote: > I can hear crickets. So can I - in the tank in the other room where I raise them as food for my scorpions. (obLoop: I should sample the cricket chirpings and use them as a stashed loop in the RC-20, or on the Repeater. Hmm.) Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 12:02:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46Fwdk07764; Thu, 6 May 2004 11:58:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:58:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: Re: new EDP features Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:55:00 -0600 Message-ID: <001101c43382$7d603a80$5b0710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001001c43381$5493b2e0$5b0710ac@ws42554> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jupiter.selectservers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stewardandking.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com More accurately, the Repeater allows you to control the feedback of the tracks in a loop that you are currently _recording_ (1 or 2), while leaving any other tracks (2 or 3) untouched. -----Original Message----- From: Manveru [mailto:manveru@stewardandking.net]On Behalf Of spaceranger@rpgmax.com Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: new EDP features The Repeater allows you to control the feedback separately for different tracks in a loop. It's easy for me, for example, to loop two stereo track pairs (one pair at a time), keeping one pair 'fixed/locked' while I record into the other two tracks in overdub mode and sweep the feedback. You could also patch the FX loop I/O (or just O even) into an external FX processor, assign the tracks that you are recording to the FX loop, and delay your loops thru the external FX processor (or whatever else you want to do) as you sweep the feedback, leaving the 'fixed' tracks going straight out to the mixer/whatever. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 12:17:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46GF4h12363; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:15:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 12:15:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c43385$843eed80$79905142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <01C4336A.DDC45CC0@dyn-83-152-117-108.ppp.tiscali.fr> Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:16:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <5Cx8UD.A.CBD.ISmmAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't believe any of the early responses seemed negative. I realize a few went a bit over the top with some absurdist joking, but... It's my experience that when there's a successful split from a large community, it feels divisive, and tends to make collecting all the good information harder, not to mention losing contact with cool people. My response is more of the "don't leave, we need you all here as well!" variety. Sorry if that didn't really come across. ----- Original Message ----- From: "F Lebrun" To: Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 4:05 AM Subject: RE: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group Dave, I fully agree with you about some kind of bad feeling that resulted from you offering a new possibility; your idea was a good open-minded one and should have been received as such instead of being flagged as an attempt to break the "monopolistic" views of LD some people here seem to have. LD has brought me LOTS of unvaluable information, specially about using my EDP, as well as about other guys around the world making the same type of music I love, and just for that, it should be there. This does not prevent me from wishing there were others sources; I usually like to have more than only one view on things, and when it feels like I am told "don't look around, this is good for you" ... that feels ... strange ! Only from the EDP AND other gear tech info point of view, and for the other people playing loops music, LD is an absolutely must, but I don't think it should be the one and ONLY exclusive source for this type of info. Is there something making some people feel so "protectivist" about "their" LD and what ? (and I do notice Kim has not shown any sign of being offended by Dave's offer). I agree with you Dave, this topic should end, specially because it feels like on this list some topics which should just be taken for what they are bizarrely become endless sources of posts, in the long run polluting the exchange space (remember that blackface thing ?? oooups ! sorry I said it again !) Also, you should not feel discouraged or rejected (ho ho ... another one ?? too bad isn't it ? what is going wrong at LD that members are prevented from exchanging positive ideas ?), you were in the positive path and negative replies such as "don't do that" should not even have been posted by their author. I think we should rather focus on building our community instead of making our members feel rejected because they are not part of what we think they should, or what we think we own ? Again, what about music lately ? (have not read yet any Loopstock feedback post but I got one this morning and will read it just after that). Francois http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: dave@unpronounceable.com [SMTP:dave@unpronounceable.com] Date: mercredi 5 mai 2004 22:19 À: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group > > a forum exclusively for the > > discussion of the Echoplex Digital Pro > > Please don't. > > This forum is the best place to discuss the EDP. I didn't. The group was already there. Why would you care if there was another group for the discussion of the Echoplex in addition to this group? There happens to be a Yahoo Group for the Electrix Repeater that seems to be doing pretty well ( http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/ ). Loopers-Delight isn't a cult (though, lately I've begun to wonder). People are free to create join whatever other mailing lists they choose to. Let's just end this topic. I'm sorry I bothered. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 12:47:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46GhDD16225; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 12:43:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 12:51:26 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] cricket sounds? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 6 May 2004, Damon Grossman wrote: > where do you get cricket sounds? In my situation as I wrote: from listening to the crickets in the tank in the next room. In David's case, I would hazard a guess that he was either speaking metaphorically, or simply had a window open nearby :). There's more than one recording that uses insect sounds, including "Chaos and the Emergent Mind of the Pond" on David Dunn's _Angels and Insects_ album (not to be confused with the film score by the Balanescu Quartet for the unrelated film of the same name), Graeme Revell's album _Insect Musicians_ (which I think I have as released under another name as well), and I think there's one by Clan of Xymox I forget the name of right now (sorry). If you're asking for "where do I get sounds of crickets from the Internet?", I can refer you to the "Reference Library of Digitized Insect Sounds" on the web at http://cmave.usda.ufl.edu/~rmankin/soundlibrary.html which has cricket sound samples, along with dung beetles (for anyone wanting to do Egyptian mythology-themed stuff [memo to self: save that idea for later]), mosquitos, termites, and so on. hope this helps, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ > damon > > -----Original Message----- > From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:14 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group > > > On Wed, 5 May 2004, David Beardsley wrote: > > > I can hear crickets. > > So can I - in the tank in the other room where I raise them as food for > my scorpions. > > (obLoop: I should sample the cricket chirpings and use them as a stashed > loop in the RC-20, or on the Repeater. Hmm.) > > Steve B > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 12:59:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46GvDu18245; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:57:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 12:57:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: RE: [LOOP] cricket sounds? Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:57:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you burnett. this helps a lot. damon -----Original Message----- From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] cricket sounds? On Thu, 6 May 2004, Damon Grossman wrote: > where do you get cricket sounds? In my situation as I wrote: from listening to the crickets in the tank in the next room. In David's case, I would hazard a guess that he was either speaking metaphorically, or simply had a window open nearby :). There's more than one recording that uses insect sounds, including "Chaos and the Emergent Mind of the Pond" on David Dunn's _Angels and Insects_ album (not to be confused with the film score by the Balanescu Quartet for the unrelated film of the same name), Graeme Revell's album _Insect Musicians_ (which I think I have as released under another name as well), and I think there's one by Clan of Xymox I forget the name of right now (sorry). If you're asking for "where do I get sounds of crickets from the Internet?", I can refer you to the "Reference Library of Digitized Insect Sounds" on the web at http://cmave.usda.ufl.edu/~rmankin/soundlibrary.html which has cricket sound samples, along with dung beetles (for anyone wanting to do Egyptian mythology-themed stuff [memo to self: save that idea for later]), mosquitos, termites, and so on. hope this helps, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ > damon > > -----Original Message----- > From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:14 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group > > > On Wed, 5 May 2004, David Beardsley wrote: > > > I can hear crickets. > > So can I - in the tank in the other room where I raise them as food for > my scorpions. > > (obLoop: I should sample the cricket chirpings and use them as a stashed > loop in the RC-20, or on the Repeater. Hmm.) > > Steve B > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 13:14:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46H81821252; Thu, 6 May 2004 13:08:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 13:08:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <409A7082.20700@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 10:06:10 -0700 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] cricket sounds? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000104050003000309010102" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000104050003000309010102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even if 999 out of every thousand posts was about the fine points of re-seating the EDP chips so that Brothersync worked properly, I'd still subscribe to LD just so I could get info like this. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com >>where do you get cricket sounds? >> >> > >In my situation as I wrote: from listening to the crickets in the tank in >the next room. In David's case, I would hazard a guess that he was either >speaking metaphorically, or simply had a window open nearby :). > >There's more than one recording that uses insect sounds, including "Chaos >and the Emergent Mind of the Pond" on David Dunn's _Angels and Insects_ >album (not to be confused with the film score by the Balanescu Quartet >for the unrelated film of the same name), Graeme Revell's album _Insect >Musicians_ (which I think I have as released under another name as well), >and I think there's one by Clan of Xymox I forget the name of right now >(sorry). > >If you're asking for "where do I get sounds of crickets from the >Internet?", I can refer you to the "Reference Library of Digitized >Insect Sounds" on the web at > >http://cmave.usda.ufl.edu/~rmankin/soundlibrary.html > >which has cricket sound samples, along with dung beetles (for anyone >wanting to do Egyptian mythology-themed stuff [memo to self: save that >idea for later]), mosquitos, termites, and so on. > > --------------000104050003000309010102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Even if 999 out of every thousand posts was about the fine points of re-seating the EDP chips so that Brothersync worked properly, I'd still subscribe to LD just so I could get info like this.

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

where do you get cricket sounds?
    

In my situation as I wrote: from listening to the crickets in the tank in 
the next room. In David's case, I would hazard a guess that he was either 
speaking metaphorically, or simply had a window open nearby :). 

There's more than one recording that uses insect sounds, including "Chaos 
and the Emergent Mind of the Pond" on David Dunn's _Angels and Insects_ 
album (not to be confused with the film score by the Balanescu Quartet 
for the unrelated film of the same name), Graeme Revell's album _Insect 
Musicians_ (which I think I have as released under another name as well), 
and I think there's one by Clan of Xymox I forget the name of right now 
(sorry). 

If you're asking for "where do I get sounds of crickets from the 
Internet?", I can refer you to the "Reference Library of Digitized 
Insect Sounds" on the web at

http://cmave.usda.ufl.edu/~rmankin/soundlibrary.html

which has cricket sound samples, along with dung beetles (for anyone 
wanting to do Egyptian mythology-themed stuff [memo to self: save that 
idea for later]), mosquitos, termites, and so on.

--------------000104050003000309010102-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 13:36:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46HX0k25028; Thu, 6 May 2004 13:33:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 13:33:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 13:32:49 -0400 From: "kevin messerschmidt" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: kmesse@lycos.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: RC-20 footswitch modification X-Sender-Ip: 192.153.25.250 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone done an RC-20 footswitch modification? Basically the crunchy stompbox footpedal messes up my timing. Not that I had much to begin with, but I figure a real LIGHT tap switch in parallel with the stompswitch (so I could use either), that I can either mount on the pedalboard or even on the guitar itself to tap with a finger, would improve my odds of finding that elusive perfect loop timing. Anyone done one? Anyone? Or thought of it? Sheesh, one day out of the box and I'm breaking into it already... Kevin ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 14:39:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46IYqx03525; Thu, 6 May 2004 14:34:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:34:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040506183433.34752.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: PERCUSSIONISTS who loop in public To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000701c43331$0aaef9f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <95KWs.A.62.MVomAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I was updating a mailing list of mine tonight and decided for the hey of it > to try and see how many people I was in contact with who are percussionists > or > drummers who loop live, either solo or with groups, since that is what I do > in my performances. > > Here is a partial list of those that I know. > I must say that the intention of creating such a list is for the purposes of > commonality/communication and community > and my sincerest apologies to anyone that I may have left out because of > various lapses in memory. Please contact me > Please help me to make it a more complete list and please forgive me if I > have accidentally forgotten you..............I'm pretty tired > tonight..............still coming down from Loopstock.............lol. > > > I'll republish this list when everyone who wants to be included is on it. > > 1) a very partial list of percussionist/drummers who use live looping > devices in their performances: > 2) some who are primarily melodic loopers who, nonetheless use live > percussion loops to augment their live shows: > 3) some who are primarily melodic loopers who are nonetheless, very creative > drum machine programmers in their work: > 4) some who are primarily melodic loopers who use beatboxing in their live > shows: > 5) any other categories I may have missed? Loopers who have no rhythm. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 14:52:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46In2o05772; Thu, 6 May 2004 14:49:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:49:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <006b01c4339a$101e0700$5469fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: Subject: Re: [LOOP] cricket sounds? Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 20:42:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went out in my backyard oner hozt summer evening and recorded a myriad of crickets using a Sony Scoopman (handheld). It would have been a lot better had it been a stereo recording (it would also have helped to lower the noise floor in the background) but within a mix it worked really well. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [LOOP] cricket sounds? > On Thu, 6 May 2004, Damon Grossman wrote: > > > where do you get cricket sounds? > > In my situation as I wrote: from listening to the crickets in the tank in > the next room. In David's case, I would hazard a guess that he was either > speaking metaphorically, or simply had a window open nearby :). > > There's more than one recording that uses insect sounds, including "Chaos > and the Emergent Mind of the Pond" on David Dunn's _Angels and Insects_ > album (not to be confused with the film score by the Balanescu Quartet > for the unrelated film of the same name), Graeme Revell's album _Insect > Musicians_ (which I think I have as released under another name as well), > and I think there's one by Clan of Xymox I forget the name of right now > (sorry). > > If you're asking for "where do I get sounds of crickets from the > Internet?", I can refer you to the "Reference Library of Digitized > Insect Sounds" on the web at > > http://cmave.usda.ufl.edu/~rmankin/soundlibrary.html > > which has cricket sound samples, along with dung beetles (for anyone > wanting to do Egyptian mythology-themed stuff [memo to self: save that > idea for later]), mosquitos, termites, and so on. > > hope this helps, > Steve B > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ > > > damon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:14 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group > > > > > > On Wed, 5 May 2004, David Beardsley wrote: > > > > > I can hear crickets. > > > > So can I - in the tank in the other room where I raise them as food for > > my scorpions. > > > > (obLoop: I should sample the cricket chirpings and use them as a stashed > > loop in the RC-20, or on the Repeater. Hmm.) > > > > Steve B > > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 15:36:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46JUVX12675; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:30:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 15:30:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200405061924.i46JOn46018353@hsb102.xlccorp.com> X-Authentication-Warning: hsb102.xlccorp.com: nobody set sender to drumtalk@highstream.net using -f Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 15:24:49 -0400 From: drumtalk@highstream.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PERCUSSIONISTS who loop in public References: <20040506183433.34752.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040506183433.34752.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 66.37.197.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi George Grant, percussionist and looper here. I use tabla, zarb, frame drums, gadgets, and VOICE -- all together now. I have always envied the Hindu gods with several arms. Now I can lay down grooves and do a lot more voice over the top. I am delighted to pull off solo gigs, and do lots more soloing. I love playing with other musicians, but it is nice to be less codependent on them. Keep me posted with your percussionists list. George Grant www.DrumTalk.com Quoting Greg House : > --- "loop.pool" wrote: > > I was updating a mailing list of mine tonight and decided for the hey of > it > > to try and see how many people I was in contact with who are > percussionists > > or > > drummers who loop live, either solo or with groups, since that is what I > do > > in my performances. > > > > Here is a partial list of those that I know. > > I must say that the intention of creating such a list is for the purposes > of > > commonality/communication and community > > and my sincerest apologies to anyone that I may have left out because of > > various lapses in memory. Please contact me > > Please help me to make it a more complete list and please forgive me if I > > have accidentally forgotten you..............I'm pretty tired > > tonight..............still coming down from Loopstock.............lol. > > > > > > I'll republish this list when everyone who wants to be included is on it. > > > > 1) a very partial list of percussionist/drummers who use live looping > > devices in their performances: > > > 2) some who are primarily melodic loopers who, nonetheless use live > > percussion loops to augment their live shows: > > > 3) some who are primarily melodic loopers who are nonetheless, very > creative > > drum machine programmers in their work: > > > 4) some who are primarily melodic loopers who use beatboxing in their live > > shows: > > > 5) any other categories I may have missed? > > Loopers who have no rhythm. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 17:53:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46Lmk505002; Thu, 6 May 2004 17:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:48:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.137.190] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danioore@hotmail.com From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: PERCUSSIONISTS who loop in public Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 18:48:38 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2004 21:48:39.0957 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4891C50:01C433B3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 4) dani oore. halifax, n.s.: 'beatboxing' into tubes, etc.. >From: "loop.pool" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Subject: PERCUSSIONISTS who loop in public >Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 23:11:59 -0700 > >I was updating a mailing list of mine tonight and decided for the hey of it >to try and see how many people I was in contact with who are percussionists >or >drummers who loop live, either solo or with groups, since that is what I do >in my performances. > >Here is a partial list of those that I know. >I must say that the intention of creating such a list is for the purposes >of >commonality/communication and community >and my sincerest apologies to anyone that I may have left out because of >various lapses in memory. Please contact me >Please help me to make it a more complete list and please forgive me if I >have accidentally forgotten you..............I'm pretty tired >tonight..............still coming down from Loopstock.............lol. > > >I'll republish this list when everyone who wants to be included is on it. > >1) a very partial list of percussionist/drummers who use live looping >devices in their performances: > >Amy X Neuburg >Andre Custodio >Bill Smith >Damon Grossman >David Kirkdorffer >Gino Robair >James Lanpheer >Jon Wagner >Koorosh Daryaie >Larry the "O" Oppenheimer >Michael Stauffer >Rick Walker >Scott Amendola >Steve Rice >Steve Robertson >Timothy Crowe >Wally Schnalle > >2) some who are primarily melodic loopers who, nonetheless use live >percussion loops to augment their live shows: > >Gareth Whittock >Gary Regina >Luis Angulo > >3) some who are primarily melodic loopers who are nonetheless, very >creative >drum machine programmers >in their work: > >Michael Haumesser >George Demarest >Matt Davignon (who should be singled out for his exclusive use of drum >machines in some of his shows) > >4) some who are primarily melodic loopers who use beatboxing in their live >shows: > >Andrew Chaiken (aka Kid Beyond) >Hans Lindauer >Per Boysen >Michael Shieffel >I include myself here because I use a lot of beatboxing. > >5) any other categories I may have missed? perhaps everyone could list >their favorite rhtymic influences from amongst the >non-percussionist/drummers on the list...............I've certainly been >inspired by Claude Voit and Andre La Fosse's rhythmic approaches amongst >others, for example, > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 18:15:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46MCd109237; Thu, 6 May 2004 18:12:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 18:12:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c433b7$3e564750$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: PERCUSSION LOOPING setups/philosophy/techniques/learning concepts Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 15:12:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had an idea for a new thread that I would love to read the responses to: I thought it would be cool for all the looping percussionists (and those who augment their live shows with subsidiary percussion/drums to share (in this format for future referencing) 1) Their equipment setup 2) Their rhythmic philosophy or approach to using looping 3) Some favorite tricks or techniques that they use in their live shows 4) Any thoughts on how to use live looping tools to increase rhythic acuity respectfully submitted, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 18:51:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46Mkih14346; Thu, 6 May 2004 18:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 18:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: RE: PERCUSSION LOOPING setups/philosophy/techniques/learning concepts Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 15:46:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002601c433b7$3e564750$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1) Their equipment setup. i use the Boss RC-20 with an NTK recording microphone and a wireless vocal mic made by Sennheiser. 2) Their rhythmic philosophy or approach to using looping. i lay down a rhythmic groove using djembe, tongue drum and shaman drum. then i lay down vocal spoken word and spiritual sung sounds like OM and random vocalizing. 3) Some favorite tricks or techniques that they use in their live shows. i am pretty basic. 4) Any thoughts on how to use live looping tools to increase rhythic acuity. see number three. respectfully submitted, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 19:28:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i46NMhK20286; Thu, 6 May 2004 19:22:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 19:22:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <409AC8BE.6060101@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 16:22:38 -0700 From: Ken Axe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031008 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group References: <20040506003807.HCHR19283.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <20040506003807.HCHR19283.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Ken Axe [mailto:kenaxe@comcast.net] >Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:09 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group > >But I will guarantee you that my purchase will be based on the info I get >here, and what I find I need as I continue to experiment with ambiloop. > >---->Buy an EDP-- >snip >Gary > Even if I could afford one right now......... where would one do such a thing? ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 21:03:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4711bb04100; Thu, 6 May 2004 21:01:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:01:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200405062153.i46LrbJ05868@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200405062153.i46LrbJ05868@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1655559E-9FC2-11D8-9871-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: cricket sounds? Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 18:01:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I dig out old gig recordings and sample the parts between tunes. TravisH On May 6, 2004, at 2:53 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: cricket sounds? > > > where do you get cricket sounds? > > damon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 21:07:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4710l603983; Thu, 6 May 2004 21:00:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:00:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200405062153.i46LrbJ05868@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200405062153.i46LrbJ05868@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Re: new EDP features Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 18:00:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <63iLEC.A.I-._-tmAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Akai Headrush will let you do most of that on the cheap ($200 or so on eBay). Once you've laid down your foundation loop, you can overdub on top of it, then erase all the overdubs leaving just the intial loop. It's the One Unique Feature of the looper function of the Headrush. TravisH On May 6, 2004, at 2:53 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Re: Re: new EDP features > > > Ok. here is my new dream EDP features. > > anyhow, the feature that I could use the most is the ability to put a > LOCK onto recorded material at a certain stge then Hold that bit at > the same level etc, whilst I add,layer and fade out different bits > over it ( if you cant imagine this, heres an example of what I > currantly use to simulate this, I play the part I want tokeep as my > constant , lets say guitar beats and scrapes plus a riff, into the > EDP, I then close the Loop and fiddle about with the digidelays delay > time till its looping more of less in synch with the edps rythem I can > now layer semi-temporys sub-loops in the digidelay that do repete for > a whie but can also fade out leaving the other track in tact) , I dont > know if any currant looper can do this, it woudl be a cool feature if > one did. also this locking that I dream of would mean that i coudl > play the aformentioned rhythem section bits, hold it there, the play > my verse chords on loop1, then when I jumped to loops2 that underlying > loop woud keep copying there along with the chorus chords too, but not > the verse chords as would happen now. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 22:07:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i471u4Z11120; Thu, 6 May 2004 21:56:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:56:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c433d6$7d8124d0$6400a8c0@toshi> From: "CM" To: References: <200405062153.i46LrbJ05868@hemlock.violacea.com> <1655559E-9FC2-11D8-9871-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: cricket sounds? Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 18:55:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "CM" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I put a mini-disc record out on the windshield of my car in the driveway in the evening... works great. : ) Seriously, if you're into natural / ambient sounds, a solid little MD recorder w/a stereo mic is hard to beat. Recently I went out to a wildlife preserve that had THOUSANDS of different kinds of birds -- it was an audio feast! Highly recommended. : ) Cass ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: cricket sounds? > I dig out old gig recordings and sample the parts between tunes. > > TravisH > > On May 6, 2004, at 2:53 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > Subject: cricket sounds? > > > > > > where do you get cricket sounds? > > > > damon > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 6 22:10:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4728kx14336; Thu, 6 May 2004 22:08:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 22:08:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.3f12ce6e.2dcc499f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 22:08:31 EDT Subject: cowgirls vs. the looping lads (LOOPSTOCK O4 ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6a.3f12ce6e.2dcc499f_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6a.3f12ce6e.2dcc499f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it was a day of self-indulgent looping.....it was LOOP-JAMIN with a bunch-o-loopists, synch be thrown to the wind..... it was seeing ol friends makin new hanging.....it was anarchy.....it was cowgirls and capitalism.....it was preachin the message of LOOP to both natives and choir.....it was love hate stress peace.....it was sunny hot cool stary.....it was loseing $3,000,000 playing "name that tune".....thanks for havin' me!.....michael --part1_6a.3f12ce6e.2dcc499f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it was=20= a day of self-indulgent looping.....it was LOOP-JAMIN with a bunch-o-loopist= s, synch be thrown to the wind..... it was seeing ol friends makin new hangi= ng.....it was anarchy.....it was cowgirls and capitalism.....it was preachin= the message of LOOP to both natives and choir.....it was love hate stress p= eace.....it was sunny hot cool stary.....it was loseing $3,000,000 playing "= name that tune".....thanks for havin' me!.....michael --part1_6a.3f12ce6e.2dcc499f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 7 03:40:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i477cEm03094; Fri, 7 May 2004 03:38:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 03:38:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6a.3f12ce6e.2dcc499f@aol.com> References: <6a.3f12ce6e.2dcc499f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 00:38:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Gig Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-VBS-Filter-Version: 1.15 (well.com modified) (smtp) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CNMAT presents: Henry Kaiser, guitar Chris Muir, guitar & interactive electronics David Wessel, interactive electronics Saturday, May 8 8pm CNMAT (http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/) 1750 Arch Street, Berkeley $10 general/ $5 students Henry Kaiser Widely recognized as one of the most creative and innovative guitarists, improvisers, and producers in the fields of rock, jazz and experimental music, California-based musician Henry Kaiser is one of the most extensively recorded as well, having appeared on more than 140 different albums. Chris Muir Chris Muir has been embroiled in computers and music for over twenty years. He has been heavily involved in creating interactive music environments for much of that time. An accomplished musician and composer, he has been involved with many projects, in many genres. Current endeavors include projects with "Yo Miles!", "Lunar Asylum" and "Zen Disaster". David Wessel David Wessel directs UC Berkeley's Center for New Music and Audio Technologies (CNMAT). He has worked in the computer-based electroacoustic music field since the late 60's. His primary focus continues to be live-performance practice where improvisation plays a central role. -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 7 17:38:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i47LZ9g06651; Fri, 7 May 2004 17:35:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 17:35:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 14:33:37 -0800 Subject: NEWBEE? From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we need to get this dude on -doncha think? http://www.protoolstraining.com/catalog/master.shtml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 7 18:35:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i47MNOg17802; Fri, 7 May 2004 18:23:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 18:23:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c43482$f2402760$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2 Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 18:30:46 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday May 11th 2004 - RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2 featuring David Pritchard + Scott M2 + Byron Wong and Planet Of The Loops with BLEEP Visuals Week two of our special presentation for Deep Wireless, in collaboration with New Adventures in Sound Art, featuring artists creating soundscapes using radio as a significant soundsource. http://www.deepwireless.ca The first set features Toronto radio legend David Pritchard (host of the infamously eclectic Late Night show on CHUM-FM in the late 60s/early 70s, the first manager/program director for CFNY in the 70s, and creator of "Nocturnal Eathworm Stew" which is currently being released on CD for the first time - and which should be available at the ping things table). Joining David will be electronic soundscape artist Scott M2 (dreamSTATE, earotica) and multi-instrumentalist Byron Wong (King Brand Vallium, My Brilliant Beast) to create an evolving mix of electronic music with radios, treatments and loops. David Pritchard - http://www.thesonicworkshop.com/ Scott M2 - http://www.dreamstate.to Byron Wong - http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicArtistsW/wong_byron.html In the second set Planet Of The Loops' founder Andrew Aldridge is joined by Scott M2 to improvise a live-loop-based performance using as their primary sound-source, Feedback Monitor (DJ Greg Clow's weekly new electronic music program on CIUT-FM 89.5), which will be broadcasting a recording from last year's Deep Wireless/Planet Of The Loops' performance at THE AMBiENT PiNG on May 13th 2003. That performance was Jakob Thiesen (Self Service) looping/treating a Feedback Monitor broadcast of the previous week's P.O.T.Loops / Deep Wireless performance on May 6th 2003. The goal is to take a one-week loop and expand it into a one-year loop rooted in the original live radio/theramin/guitar/loop-based performance by Andrew Aldridge. POTL - http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html Greg Clow / Feedback Monitor - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com BLEEP Visuals will be making their first appearance at the PiNG with digital projections for both sets. http://www.bleeptunes.com Between Sets CD - "Fever Dreams" by Steve Roach (Projekt) Roach's latest CD is the first of 3 interconnected "Fever releases" for 2004, featuring electronic textures interweaving with sensuous, mid-tempo hybrid grooves. Guest musicians Patrick O'Hearn on bass and Byron Metcaff on percussion add to the lush, hypnotic, and sweltering sonic atmosphere. (Available now at ping things.) http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming May 18th - Hypnotech 3 and low frequency pilot with General Chaos Visuals http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/hypnotech3.htm http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/lowfrequencypilot.htm http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Fever Dreams" by Steve Roach Steve Roach is an artist who creates an environment for his listeners, self-contained worlds that exist entirely within the confines of his music. With his latest, "Fever Dreams", Roach has made a disc filled with beautiful & mystical places, a hyper reality akin to the most intense of reveries. A collection of four long form pieces, "Fever Dreams" brings to mind the desert that has inspired so much of Roach's work, filled with a ritual and mysticism that speaks to our souls. "Wicked Dream" opens the album with shakers and light percussion conjuring images of vast spaces, wide open terrains made bright in the hot sun of high noon. Deep bass drones pass through the soundscape like clouds moving across a clear blue sky made hazy by desert heat. Additional textures drift pass, landmarks along the horizon. A sense of something mysterious and otherworldy. In contrast "Fever Pulse" brings to mind a night time ritual, surging forward with rolling percussion and drifting pads flying by like spirits awakened by unheard voices. Metallic tones rise and fall in irregular intervals interspersed with spiralling sounds that recall the twinkling of stars. A sense of ceremony, of shared communal magic. You can't help but feel the pulse in this piece. Track three, "Tantra Mantra" starts subtly with fluid tones and minimal beats, slowly gaining in voice, climbing in strength. Hand percussion gives way to deeper, more bass driven drumming, hypnotizing, primal. Subtle variation drifts through it's nearly thirty minute length, enrapturing the listener in a swirling spiral. Beautiful. "Moved Beyond" closes the disc with powerful percussion, hypnotic pads ascending and descending. The sounds of wind through chasms, canyons, the moon passing through the night sky marking the passing of midnight and beyond. And slowly, like the dreams of the disc's title, the intensity lessens until all that's left is a vivid memory of a journey to strange lands. "Fever Dreams" is quite simply an astounding piece of music, an excursion to beautiful soundworlds, to exciting new vistas. Steve Roach is an artist who creates an environment for his listeners, and with this release he has made one of his most beguiling and enticing environments yet. 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 8 10:49:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i48ElBI06822; Sat, 8 May 2004 10:47:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 10:47:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.42] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: new EDP features Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 14:47:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2004 14:47:05.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[54A8AF70:01C4350B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey , I got a Repeater, I can do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks so much for pointing that out, im not exactly the worlds greatest manual reader, I thought u could only set feedback globally. cools, i will report back with what i do with it. thanks Phill WIlson >From: >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: Re: new EDP features >Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:46:42 -0600 > >The Repeater allows you to control the feedback separately for different >tracks in a loop. It's easy for me, for example, to loop two stereo track >pairs (one pair at a time), keeping one pair 'fixed/locked' while I record >into the other two tracks in overdub mode and sweep the feedback. You >could >also patch the FX loop I/O (or just O even) into an external FX processor, >assign the tracks that you are recording to the FX loop, and delay your >loops thru the external FX processor (or whatever else you want to do) as >you sweep the feedback, leaving the 'fixed' tracks going straight out to >the >mixer/whatever. > >-----Original Message----- >From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:27 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Re: new EDP features > > > >Ok. here is my new dream EDP features. > >Just to explain the background to this, I oftern think of EDP as a musical >version of Photoshop, meaning that a lot of the tools that are available >for >sound in one are available for visual in the other, I often think of this >Visual/Aural paradigm when I am trying to figure out HOW to do what I want >to do. > >anyhow, the feature that I could use the most is the ability to put a LOCK >onto recorded material at a certain stge then Hold that bit at the same >level etc, whilst I add,layer and fade out different bits over it ( if you >cant imagine this, heres an example of what I currantly use to simulate >this, I play the part I want tokeep as my constant , lets say guitar beats >and scrapes plus a riff, into the EDP, I then close the Loop and fiddle >about with the digidelays delay time till its looping more of less in synch >with the edps rythem I can now layer semi-temporys sub-loops in the >digidelay that do repete for a whie but can also fade out leaving the other >track in tact) , I dont know if any currant looper can do this, it woudl be >a cool feature if one did. also this locking that I dream of would mean >that >i coudl play the aformentioned rhythem section bits, hold it there, the >play >my verse chords on loop1, then when I jumped to loops2 that underlying loop >woud keep copying there along with the chorus chords too, but not the verse >chords as would happen now. > >of course there are always work arounds for these in currant situations, >but >hey we can always dream. > >Phill Wilson > >PS I will of course write more of my ideas if I get time. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself with cool new emoticons >http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo > > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 8 18:36:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i48MX2O00964; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:33:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 18:33:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c4354b$be878bb0$b347b018@catherinkvwp76> From: "Michael and Nikki" To: "kim flint" , Subject: EDP Repairs? Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 18:28:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've tried calling and emailing Shane at what is now British Audio Service. He is the person the Gibson people told me to contact about technical support for EDP's. I haven't heard anything. Assuming I do have a legitimate hardware problem, how would I go about getting my EDP repaired? Who would I send it to? Please help. Michael > The following is a reposting of an earlier email. I still need help. Has anyone had a > similar problem? > > > > > > QUANT=loop > > SYNC=in > > 8THS/CYCLE=8 > > AUTORECORD=on > > SWITCHQUANT=loop > > MORELOOPS=2 > > RECORDMODE=toggle > > SAMPLERSTYLE=run > > > > 1 I turn on the Alesis SR 16 drum machine, the EDP shows it is receiving > > MIDI clock from the drum machine > > Using the Gibson foot controller I: > > 2 press Record > > 3 play something, I'll refer to it as loop1 > > 4 end recording by again pressing Record > > 5 press NextLoop, the EDP indicates it will switch to loop2 at the end of > > the current loop and begin recording > > 6 at the end of loop1, I play something else I'll refer to as loop2 > > 7 I end recording loop2 by pressing NextLoop > > 8 the EDP is now playing loop1 and everything is still in sync with the > drum > > machine > > 9 I press NextLoop and at the end of loop1, the EDP switches to loop2. No > > problem. > > 10 I press NextLoop and at the end of loop2, loop2 starts over again. > Loop2 > > plays for a beat or so and then switches to loop1 > > 11 The EDP is now out of sync with the drum machine. > > > > > > The following five variations produce the same problem: > > If AUTOREC=off > > then in step 5 after pressing NextLoop I also press Record > > the same problem happens. > > If in step 7, I end recording loop2 by pressing Record, then the proccess > > skips directly to step 10 and the same problem happens. > > If the EDP is synced to a metronome via BeatSync, the same problem happens > > If I do not use the foot controller and enter everything via the front > panel > > of the EDP, the same problem happens. > > If SWITCHQUANT=Cycle (or anything besides off) then the same problem > > happens. > > > > The following two variations do NOT produce the problem: > > If in step 4 I end recording loop1 by pressing NextLoop and thereby > > immediately record loop2 which I also end by pressing NextLoop, then the > > problem will not happen. I can switch back and forth between the two loops > > and the EDP will stay in sync with the drum machine. > > If I start with SWITCHQUANT=off then during step 8 I reach over to the > front > > panel and set SWITCHQUANT=loop. The problem will not happen. > > > > Any help/suggestions would be great. Thanks again for taking a look at my > > problem. > > Nervously, > > Michael > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kim Flint" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 3:50 AM > > Subject: Re: EDP Alesis Stumped > > > > > > > again, could you please just describe the exact sequence you did that > led > > > to the problem? your mail here was confusing to follow. > > > kim > > > > > > At 10:07 PM 4/24/2004, Michael and Nikki wrote: > > > >First, THANKS for responding!! > > > >I have used both the Gibson foot controller and the front panel with > the > > > >same results. > > > >For the purpose of this email, I'm using the footswitch. > > > >The drum machine is an Alesis SR16. > > > >I've been messing with the EDP all day and I've found that: > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 8 20:04:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4902FH18728; Sat, 8 May 2004 20:02:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 20:02:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200405082236.i48Maxu01403@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200405082236.i48Maxu01403@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1E46E176-A14C-11D8-9871-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: EDP Repairs? Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 17:02:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last I heard, British Audio Service was the service place. I contacted Shane about getting one of my EDP's fixed and sent it to him last week. My impression is that they're busy, so you may not get an immediate response. TravisH On May 8, 2004, at 3:36 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "Michael and Nikki" > Date: May 8, 2004 3:28:10 PM PDT > To: "kim flint" , > > Subject: EDP Repairs? > > > I've tried calling and emailing Shane at what is now British Audio > Service. > He is the person the Gibson people told me to contact about technical > support for EDP's. I haven't heard anything. Assuming I do have a > legitimate > hardware problem, how would I go about getting my EDP repaired? Who > would I > send it to? > Please help. > Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 8 21:04:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4910Zw27254; Sat, 8 May 2004 21:00:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 21:00:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [69.106.235.135] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: PERCUSSION LOOPING setups/philosophy/techniques/learning concepts Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 18:00:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2004 01:00:28.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[0541BA70:01C43561] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "loop.pool" 1) Their equipment setup MD> A Roland DR. 660 (drum machine) run through a Dr. Sample (for FX), then a DL-4. It's not enough. I'm looking at adding more processing devices in the future. 2) Their rhythmic philosophy or approach to using looping MD> I'm trying to use the drum machine interchangeably as an intuitive improvisation/melodic/textural instrument and as a percussion instrument, and to blur the lines between them. I started running it through a looping device because I felt that the internal rhythm-programming ability was too rigid and not well suited for improvisation. (Although sometimes I still use the internal rhythm looper to turn my loose totterings into strict but unusual rhythms.) I'm still figuring a lot out, but one of my goals is to use the musical potential of bad timing. 3) Some favorite tricks or techniques that they use in their live shows MD> A few months ago, I discovered a "yo-yo" effect at a show. That is, I recorded a loop of sparse drum sounds with long reverb, reversed the loop, and manually played reverby drum sounds a second or so before each reverse reverb drum sounded. 4) Any thoughts on how to use live looping tools to increase rhythic acuity MD> Don't depend so much on the looping tools. :-) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 8 23:09:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4937sx12381; Sat, 8 May 2004 23:07:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 23:07:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c43572$487c5c30$b347b018@catherinkvwp76> From: "Michael and Nikki" To: References: <200405082236.i48Maxu01403@hemlock.violacea.com> <1E46E176-A14C-11D8-9871-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: EDP Repairs? Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 23:04:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So I checked the loopers' archive (should have done that first) and learned that Shane Radtke is not only technical support, but also handles repairs. Makes sense, though that it isn't always the case. For anyone interested, the email address, shane.radtke@gibson.com, linked to on the Gibson EDP+ contact info page, is NO LONGER valid. My emails sent to that address were returned as undeliverable. The new email address is shane@britishaudioservice.com. Thanks to those who responded. I'm still hoping that I'm just screwing something up, and don't actually have to get my EDP+ repaired, but from everything I've heard, Shane is definitely The Man if I do have a hardware problem. I've been calling daily for a week, but I've got some new numbers to try and I'm feeling lucky. I'm not slamming the guy. I can only imagine the volume of calls he must get while he's actually trying to repair something. I would have the ringer off, and the rest of the phone in pieces by a wall. Michael ---- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 8:02 PM Subject: Re: EDP Repairs? > Last I heard, British Audio Service was the service place. I contacted > Shane about getting one of my EDP's fixed and sent it to him last week. > My impression is that they're busy, so you may not get an immediate > response. > > TravisH > > On May 8, 2004, at 3:36 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > From: "Michael and Nikki" > > Date: May 8, 2004 3:28:10 PM PDT > > To: "kim flint" , > > > > Subject: EDP Repairs? > > > > > > I've tried calling and emailing Shane at what is now British Audio > > Service. > > He is the person the Gibson people told me to contact about technical > > support for EDP's. I haven't heard anything. Assuming I do have a > > legitimate > > hardware problem, how would I go about getting my EDP repaired? Who > > would I > > send it to? > > Please help. > > Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 9 00:30:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i494TZZ23811; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:29:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 00:29:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: PERCUSSION LOOPING setups/philosophy/techniques/learning concepts Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 21:28:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C43543.7949D7E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQ1YeyN7Vb733ZjS7WLqw1dZmt3AgAGPoRg Message-Id: <20040509042857.PBBR19329.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C43543.7949D7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, I'm playing my Boss DR. 550 as audio in on my Korg MS2000 synth. http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?A_PROD_NO=MS2000 http://emusician.com/ar/emusic_korg_ms/ It can then be processed in the same way as the internal waveforms, with all of its knobs, and buttons, or you can use the vocoder function, and play the keys, etc, while your drum machine is cooking away! All in all, it creates a nice layered, evolving soundscape. Tom -----Original Message----- From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 6:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: PERCUSSION LOOPING setups/philosophy/techniques/learning concepts From: "loop.pool" 1) Their equipment setup MD> A Roland DR. 660 (drum machine) run through a Dr. Sample (for FX), then a DL-4. It's not enough. I'm looking at adding more processing devices in the future. 2) Their rhythmic philosophy or approach to using looping MD> I'm trying to use the drum machine interchangeably as an intuitive improvisation/melodic/textural instrument and as a percussion instrument, and to blur the lines between them. I started running it through a looping device because I felt that the internal rhythm-programming ability was too rigid and not well suited for improvisation. (Although sometimes I still use the internal rhythm looper to turn my loose totterings into strict but unusual rhythms.) I'm still figuring a lot out, but one of my goals is to use the musical potential of bad timing. 3) Some favorite tricks or techniques that they use in their live shows MD> A few months ago, I discovered a "yo-yo" effect at a show. That is, I recorded a loop of sparse drum sounds with long reverb, reversed the loop, and manually played reverby drum sounds a second or so before each reverse reverb drum sounded. 4) Any thoughts on how to use live looping tools to increase rhythic acuity MD> Don't depend so much on the looping tools. :-) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page - FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C43543.7949D7E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Matt,

 

I’m playing my Boss DR. 550 as audio in on my Korg MS2000 = synth. 

 

http://www.= korg.com/gear/info.asp?A_PROD_NO=3DMS2000

 

http://emusician.com/ar/= emusic_korg_ms/

 

It can then be processed in the same way as the internal = waveforms, with all of its knobs, and buttons, or you can use the vocoder function, and = play the keys, etc, while your drum machine is cooking away!  All in = all, it creates a nice layered, evolving = soundscape.

 

Tom

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 6:00 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: PERCUSSION LOOPING setups/philosophy/techniques/learning = concepts

 

From: "loop.pool" = <looppool@cruzio.com>

 

1)  Their equipment setup

 

MD> A Roland DR. 660 (drum machine) run through a Dr. Sample = (for FX), then

a DL-4. It's not enough. I'm looking at adding more processing devices in =

the future.

 

2)  Their rhythmic philosophy or approach to using = looping

 

MD> I'm trying to use the drum machine interchangeably as an intuitive =

improvisati= on/melodic/textural instrument and as a percussion instrument, =

and to = blur the lines between them. I started running it through a looping

device because I felt that the internal rhythm-programming = ability was too

rigid and not well suited for improvisation. (Although sometimes = I still 

use the internal rhythm looper to turn my loose totterings into = strict but

unusual rhythms.) I'm still figuring a lot out, but one of my = goals is to

use the musical potential of bad = timing.

 

3)  Some favorite tricks or techniques that they use in = their live shows

 

MD> A few months ago, I discovered a "yo-yo" effect = at a show. That is, I

recorded a loop of sparse drum sounds with long reverb, reversed = the loop,

and manually played reverby drum sounds a second or so before = each reverse

reverb drum sounded.

 

4)  Any thoughts on how to use live looping tools to = increase rhythic acuity

 

MD>   Don't depend so much on the looping tools. = :-)

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C43543.7949D7E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 9 00:36:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i494Z6g24979; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:35:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 00:35:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c43598$79846f40$6600a8c0@yew> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: Party with drifting stereo EDPs Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 00:37:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C4355D.CCBC2710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C4355D.CCBC2710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Those of you with two EDPs that are not staying in phaselocked stereo = Brothersync for whatever reason: If the timing is drifting, will it eventually drift back into sync? = Does it always drift at the same rate, or does it drift faster if the = loop is shorter? =20 What if you SUSRecord or (SUSMultiply to) a very short granular loop = (0.01-0.04)? It would be a neat sound to have the EDPs move in and out = of phase with each other. =20 -J ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C4355D.CCBC2710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Those of you with two EDPs that are not = staying in=20 phaselocked stereo Brothersync for whatever reason:
 
If the timing is drifting, will it = eventually drift=20 back into sync?  Does it always drift at the same rate, or does it = drift=20 faster if the loop is shorter? 
 
What if you SUSRecord or (SUSMultiply = to) a very=20 short granular loop (0.01-0.04)?  It would be a neat sound to have = the EDPs=20 move in and out of phase with each other. 
 
-J
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C4355D.CCBC2710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 9 00:44:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i494hGb26482; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:43:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 00:43:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Looper Delight List" Subject: RE: PERCUSSIONISTS who loop in public Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 00:48:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000701c43331$0aaef9f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.162.124.126] at Sat, 8 May 2004 23:43:14 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >-----Original Message----- >From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] >Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 2:12 AM >To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) >Subject: PERCUSSIONISTS who loop in public > >I was updating a mailing list of mine tonight and decided for >the hey of it >to try and see how many people I was in contact with who are >percussionists >or >drummers who loop live, either solo or with groups, since that >is what I do >in my performances. I'm on your list Rick, but can't say that I'm doing percussion looping at this point. It's something I'd like to experiment with though when I get the time, since I play percussion in a brazilian/latin group on the side. I'll experiment with messing around with it on my own as a solo thing when I can get Live setup to work readily with a foot controller for looping on multiple tracks. When I'm looping it's mostly to capture guitar and vocals with another group I'm actually doing looping with. I do capture some percussion loops from the drummer at the begin of one song we do, to build up a groove. I just use Ableton Live and keep everything quantized to a measure usually. I like using Live's resonator plug-in on percussion loops to pull out different pitches within the percussive sounds to match or contrast the key and harmonies that the rest of the band is playing. Cheers, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 9 05:09:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4997YR03705; Sun, 9 May 2004 05:07:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 05:07:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 02:24:11 -0700 Subject: Re: RC-20 footswitch modification From: Are-Jay Hoffmann To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/6/04 10:32 AM, kevin messerschmidt at kmesse@lycos.com wrote: > Has anyone done an RC-20 footswitch modification? Basically the crunchy > stompbox footpedal messes up my timing. Not that I had much to begin with, but > I figure a real LIGHT tap switch in parallel with the stompswitch (so I could > use either), that I can either mount on the pedalboard or even on the guitar > itself to tap with a finger, would improve my odds of finding that elusive > perfect loop timing. Anyone done one? Anyone? Or thought of it? > > Sheesh, one day out of the box and I'm breaking into it already... > > Kevin > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?S > RC=lycos10 > hey, the problem i had was similar. the pedal was so high off the ground, i couldnt keep my heel to the floor and be accurate. in a 2am epiphany, an idea hit that worked: i took the long wrist pad that was in front of my computer keyboard (pad on top, flat rubber bottom, 2 or 3"wide), cut it in half, and SuperGlued the shit out it to attach it to each pedal (starting at the "back" of each rubber square to avoid slippage). it even fits perfect and people think it came that way. the result is two long (about 6") ramp-like extensions of each pedal that starts at the pedal and rests on the floor. i now have complete control over feel by my foot placement. it also allows for a much softer (padded) touch, but since the bottom is solid rubber, its dead-on accurate after some practice. the less foot motion, the better. in some cases, i stand with each foot on a pedal pad, and work it on/off-- mainly with "one shots". it works like a dream. when packing, i just fold each piece under and it gives extra protection when in transit. makes me happy to know out of all the weird ideas that blow, we can sometimes come up with brilliance. the added bonus, besides looking like a pro mod, is that i now call it The Walrus-- g'g'g'Joob! i know it sounds weird, so if youre scatching your head, and i need to get more specific let me know. good luck. Loop On. Are-Jay Hoffmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 9 06:50:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i49Anp313914; Sun, 9 May 2004 06:49:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 06:49:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c4aded$b5798170$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Loopstock 2004: another eyewitness account Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:49:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also performed and loved being at Loopstock again this year. I'm going to write stream of conciousness so forgive me that the order may be incorrect but I just want to put down some impressions of the day. This was perhaps the smallest of all of the festivals but it had an intimacy that was really wonderful. It was really great to have a long hang with everybody...............we played together, talked about looping together, ate really good mexican food together, got nervous when the cowboys wanted us gone together, played pool (or loop pool, if you will) together...................lol. It was also the most anarchic of the Loopstocks, because we got there and there was no schedule of artists. This bugged me at first, but it turned out that the first half of the day was characterized by a lot of inter-artist jamming which was really fun and would not have occurred if Hans hadn't planned/not planned it the way he did. I ended up really enjoying that the schedule was so loose. There was a really palpable sense that anything was possible. The second half was more about individual performances and the aforementioned tussle we had with the bar owners because three locals wanted the wierd wanky ambient loopy stuff to stop so they could listen to ZZ TOP. Hans really handled the situation well, however and I noticed by the time I played (and I had, by far, the furthest performance away from the ZZ TOP paradigm with the exception of Michael Klobuchars' earlier set) that a whole lot of the regulars came in and and actually watched and enjoyed my shenanigans: toy pianos, wind up toy drummers, brightly colored children's instruments, et. al. ***************** As soon as Michael and I arrived at the Sweet Springs Saloon in Los Osos, Stanitarium was beginning the first set of the day. Stan loves to play loud and it was interesting to see all the loopers hanging around outside of the building listening in to his set. The sheer volume of his big guitar rig is amazing but the tones he gets out of his big Fender amps is amazing (and probably could not be reproduced any other way). Everyone I talked to commented on how much Stan's looping shows have grown and I, for one, just love his sense of melody. He also got Hans to add a subsonic synthesizer to the metronome bass drum that he uses as his uber minimalistic bass drum. Stan's music is ultra minimalistic and I really dug it. I'll bet he didnt' realize that everyone was rapt with attention on the OUTSIDE of the club.........lol. Max Valentino also played a really beautiful set of solo bass. He really is the most accomplished looper I've ever heard on the Jamman. He's incorporated and really mastered the Bob Sellon software in that box and really stretches it to it's full potential. Anyone who wants to master that box should hit Max up for a lesson. Later, my brother Bill played a set that had every one rapt with attention. He had decided to eschew his big Repeater oriented rig for a very stripped down (for him) double Line 6 DL4 approach. He then wowed us with some beautiful playing on his modern Weissenborn styled lap steel. Bill is just the master of creative use of the double speed/half speed/reverse effects on his DL4s and I found his set to be the most sublimely melodic and smooth of the day. Lastly, our fearless leader, Hans did a very, very hip set that featured a dub/hip hop approach utilizing really cool human beatboxing combined with a dub bass sound that Aston Family Man Barrett would have been proud of. Earlier in the day at the end of Stan's set Hans and I both beatboxed underneath Stan's version of Love Rollercoaster by the Ohio Players. My favorite part of Hans' set was when he used some really lo-fi sounding beat box techniques (lots of noise in his drum sounds) and then sliced and diced them with two EDPs and a very hip old school rack mount analogue delay. He really gave me a ton of ideas for how to process my own beatboxing in my shows and this pointed out the most important feature of all the looping festivals: I just learn a ton of new techniques and go away from the event feeling extremely inspired every time I go to one. That's my definition of a successful musical event and we are all very fortunate that Hans produced this one this year. Thanks, bro!!!!! *************** It was also a particular to treat for me to get to hang with Michael Klobuchar, who flew out from Pittsburgh and did some serious guitar mangling during his set. It's always a personal thrill for me when the Scoots-meister comes to Cali and I'm hoping he'll be able to make it to Y2K4. He is really inspiring to me in his concept of designing sounds for the guitar. I always leave him wanting to buy a zillion stomp box pedals (that Digitech Space Station just rocks.....................Stanitarium used it really effectively too). He has such an interesting way of playing a very inside piece of music and then morphing it into outerspace before he is done. It was also really great meeting a looping newbie, Bernhard Wagner, a Venezulen/German all the way from Zurich, Switzerland. Bernhard is not only a very talented guitar player with a fine rhythmic and atmospheric approach (and EDP user for those who want to know) but he is also a really great guy: intelligent, funny, talented and really sincere. I feel like I have a new good friend. Bernhard also is an excellent improviser and a real team player when it came to the looping jams. Another talented newcomer also played with Jon Wagner, David Giovachinni. He used Ableton's LIVE on a laptop, synced to Jon's EDP and had an extensive array of real and found melodic and percussive instruments. The combination with Jon's wonderful multi-percussion looping aesthetic was really great and I look forward to hearing more out of this new duo. David also has an extensive knowledge of Middleeastern music and it was fun chatting with him about a subject that I love, personally and hearing him incorporate those influences into such a high tech approach. It's really nice to hear a couple of really talented fresh voices in our 'scene' and it was very fun to hear everyone participate in the myriad jams that occurred during the day. Bernhard and Michael drove back to Santa Cruz with us and hung out with Bill and I for a couple of days and it was really a treat. We all laughed our asses off the whole time. The next night I went over and jammed in Mountain View with Bernhard and Jon Wagner (the Wagner Brothers?) at Jon's place and it was one of those instances where I rue the fact that we didn't record our jam onto multi track digital. Well, that's it for my take on Loopstock 2004. Rick . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 9 08:44:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i49CgYu28089; Sun, 9 May 2004 08:42:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 08:42:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.11 (webedge20-101-194-20030622) From: To: Subject: Re: [LOOP] cricket sounds? Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 8:41:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [127.0.0.1] using ID at Sun, 9 May 2004 08:41:25 -0400 Message-Id: <20040509124125.HQLH392825.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:51 AM On Thu, 6 May 2004, Damon Grossman wrote: >> where do you get cricket sounds? >In my situation as I wrote: from listening to the crickets in the tank in >the next room. In David's case, I would hazard a guess that he was either >speaking metaphorically, or simply had a window open nearby :). >There's more than one recording that uses insect sounds, including "Chaos >and the Emergent Mind of the Pond" on David Dunn's _Angels and Insects_ >album (not to be confused with the film score by the Balanescu Quartet >for the unrelated film of the same name), Graeme Revell's album _Insect >Musicians_ (which I think I have as released under another name as well), >and I think there's one by Clan of Xymox I forget the name of right now >(sorry). And as a shameless plug, there's "From a Window - 1a.m." from my LP "Dimensions." The crickets were an inspiration for creating the piece. They didn't need to be looped, as they were doing that all by themselves, along with some Reich-ian phasing going on. James Bailey host: Electric Storm / A Missing Sense CKLN-FM 88.1 Toronto www.ckln.fm electricstorm@ckln.fm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 9 11:54:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i49FpR524133; Sun, 9 May 2004 11:51:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 11:51:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig Spam (Seattle) Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 08:51:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <6vqK9C.A.94F._NlnAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last show this month, acoustic guitar looping galore: Friday, May 14, 8-10PM Zoka Coffee (2200 N. 56th Street) There's no cover and plenty of street parking. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 9 12:26:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i49GOqw30160; Sun, 9 May 2004 12:24:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 12:24:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Female Loopers - Come out where ever you are Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 10:26:50 -0600 Message-ID: <001801c435e2$6edd89b0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C435B0.244319B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C435B0.244319B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On account that it is Mother's Day, I feel compelled to ask a potentially related question: Are there any female loopers in the group? (especially guitarists) If so, come out where ever you are, point us to your works, tell us about your whereabouts, etc. Could this community really be that testosterone dominated? Is this just another "boys and their toys" thing? :) Krispen Hartung info@krispenhartung.com http://www.krispenhartung.com Boise, Idaho ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C435B0.244319B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Female Loopers - Come out where ever you are

On account that it = is Mother's Day, I feel compelled to ask a potentially related question: Are there any female loopers in the group? = (especially guitarists)

If so, come out = where ever you are, point us to your works, tell us about your = whereabouts, etc.  Could this community really be that testosterone = dominated?  Is this just another "boys and their toys" = thing? :) 

Krispen = Hartung
info@krispenhartung.com
http://www.krispenhartung.com
Boise, = Idaho

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C435B0.244319B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 9 17:38:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i49LbVF16643; Sun, 9 May 2004 17:37:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 17:37:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 14:35:59 -0800 Subject: Re: loopstock... From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bah dah bup bada...i'm lovin it! > Rick Walker's Loop.pooL thee consumate entertainer-the muse is with you, man, 'specially that antiwar thing @ the end of yer set. > Jon Wagner > David Giovachinni william burroughs as their 3rd member was ingenious-really inventive, definitelee calling up spirits...and it was great talkin w/ david about his past workin w/ all those great punk bands of the '70s > Max Valentino master of tasteeness-it all seems so effortless-how ya do that? > Stanitarium (Stan-the-man) ho-hum-what rhymes w/ looper?...loser > Bernhard Wagner dude-everytime you grabbed yer axe-solo and jammin i was enthralled-and playin thru the p.a.? sounded good to me.(wish i could do that :-)-it was fun listenin in while b.walker was doin a mini tutor fer ya on that blackface echoplex footpedal. > Michael Klobuchar what can be said about my buddy-alien and terrestrial guitar textures-really took off during the jams-i wuz lovin it! Bill Walker guitar times infinitee-all that melodic beauty and digital wackiness tempered by tone comin outa that princeton amplifier. those lap slide excursions sounded like robert johnson on oxycontin :-) > Hans Lindaur mad beatz and fuzz bass? whats not to love...that JIMI tune made my day. good to see kim supportin the loopeeness... and props to my bro and his posse for holdin up the bar during my set... cant wait 'til next time. seeya -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 10 02:32:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4A6VL426811; Mon, 10 May 2004 02:31:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 02:31:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200404231900.i3NJ05p22799@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200404231900.i3NJ05p22799@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 03:30:13 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: EDP multitap feature Cc: Claude Voit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4-4-rC.A.ziG.5GynAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com to avoid expectations: I dont have any way to put this idea into the EDP and the code I work on is far from going into such ideas, we are just phantasizing here for fun and for anybody who may in the future have the means to implement the idea: > This would be a neat addition to delay mode did not understand... why delay mode? > >And let the MIDI foot controllers control delay time and the level or volume >of the repeats? do you have that many controllers? or would you program switches to change to fixed values? > >>So, how did you imagine you would operate that? >>could it still be improvised? >>a parameter could >>- either select another MultiplyMode, where the number of presses of > Multiply button would define how many repetitions you get >>- or select the number of repetitions directly > >>but you also want to set the level of each tap (do you really mean > >feedback?) - how could that be controlled? > >-- >From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] >Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:00 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: EDP multitap feature > > >I think this is the sort of thing that'd have to wait until a new >hardware platform for the Loop software evolves. On the next EDP I'd >like to see a large LCD display (something along the lines of the tc >D2/M1/G-Force) so that you could simultaneously monitor a variety of >parameters--loop time, where you are in the loop, feedback level, >any commands waiting for the lame duck period to finish, number of >loops with material in them, etc. This sort of display would make it >easier to program things like multi-tap loop. Sure I would love to display more. but an LCD is not necessarily better because its less visible and more information is more confusion when you are improvising. So how would the display solve the problem of operation? Do you want menus to step through and program patterns of taps/volumes and then call those... from the presets? >Ah the display, as time marches on I think a bigger more distinct >display could be handy (the age factor ;D ) LCDs were available at the time, but I felt that a simple big LED would help more... >Here's a trivia type question was the code for the EDP writen in C >or Assembler? ASM -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 10 02:32:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4A6VJM26750; Mon, 10 May 2004 02:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 02:31:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 03:06:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Re: new EDP features Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> ... c) a constant reverse mode, where I could have like 5 sec. >>> of continuously reversed delay. >>> >>Per wrote: >>I'm not sure about exactly what you mean by "constant reverse mode"? It >>does in fact already reverse every time you press the reverse button. > >Uh, language is so hard....I want all incoming material to be played >back delayed and reversed continuously (like in my Danelectro Back >Talk). The EDP can't do this, it (just like the EH 16) reverses only >the current material in the loop and the material fed in at that >time span is delayed in forward again. yes, we thought about other reverse modes, amazing complex... > >While we are at it: with the ability to store presets the EDP can >now serve more as a traditional delay unit besides being a looper. >Therefore it would be nice to be able to store delay times and >feedback levels in presets (also a highcut filter would be nice to >give a delay application a more traditional/useful sound). I might >be missing something but this didn't work for me when I tried. It >feels so stupid to have to lug an extra delay box to the gig... good point! you can store Tempo in LoopIV, but you still have to do a Record and set the FB to activate the delay -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 10 02:32:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4A6VKu26782; Mon, 10 May 2004 02:31:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 02:31:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000701c43331$0aaef9f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <000701c43331$0aaef9f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 03:29:27 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: PERCUSSIONISTS who loop in public Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I was updating a mailing list of mine tonight and decided for the hey of it >to try and see how many people I was in contact with who are percussionists >or >drummers who loop live, either solo or with groups, since that is what I do >in my performances. > >Here is a partial list of those that I know. interesting work, Rick! > >4) some who are primarily melodic loopers who use beatboxing in their live >shows: > >Andrew Chaiken (aka Kid Beyond) >Hans Lindauer >Per Boysen >Michael Shieffel spelling is Schiefel http://schiefel.de/ about the most incredible singer I have heard, a true master in all three areas: voice / musical knowledge / unique two EDP use I would like to mention the two percussion loopers of Salvador/Brasil: Bira Reis and Giba Conceicao both use the basic functions of the EDP to layer their big range of instruments. Sometimes dancy, sometimes odd. More infos and music on my site: http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm#aroni -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 10 02:33:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4A6VJI26723; Mon, 10 May 2004 02:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 02:31:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <001301c43257$f47f6630$6401a8c0@watercooled> <002301c43282$d4aa14b0$0100a8c0@mini> <1083776249.40991cf928622@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <000901c432cb$48bb4980$cd995142@Biffoz> <1083781056.40992fc015c38@webmail.unpronounceable.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040505153319.01b3a3f8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> <4099760E.4050802@biink.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 03:05:32 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: EchoplexPro Yahoo Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Wed, 5 May 2004, David Beardsley wrote: > >> I can hear crickets. > >So can I - in the tank in the other room where I raise them as food for >my scorpions. and whom do you feed the scorpions? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 10 08:29:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4ACQW024356; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:26:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:26:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.188.96] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danioore@hotmail.com From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp footswitch: replacement BUTTONS Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:26:25 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2004 12:26:26.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[03A3A6E0:01C4368A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com where exactly do i find the replacement buttons for the edp footswitch? someone said "Mouser Electronics" before, but it seems they have hundreds of buttons and i don't know specifically which buttons are the right ones. thanks, d _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 10 13:21:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4AHI9t16561; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:18:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 13:18:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040510102226.06757828@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 10:23:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp footswitch: replacement BUTTONS In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:26 AM 5/10/2004, Dani Oore wrote: >where exactly do i find the replacement buttons for the edp footswitch? >someone said "Mouser Electronics" before, but it seems they have hundreds >of buttons and i don't know specifically which buttons are the right ones. on the echoplex footpedal page: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 10 14:02:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4AHwXU23582; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 13:58:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 10:58:25 -0700 Message-ID: <409AF1E1000017A9@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: [gig spam] Atomic Mobius Machine Live on the Internet, May 15th, 2004 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4AHwX223556 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopers (and loopers), Atomic Mobius Machine will once again be playing live for you on the internet! On Saturday, May 15th, we'll be playing from 8pm-12am/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. (We usually play until 2am, for a whopping 6 hours of musical meanderings.) I've just picked up a DL4, so hopefully there will be some nice usage of that! Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music (we've started calling it 'ambient loopadelic'), and features Dan Moore, Ross Artese, Craig Latta and myself, on various musical instruments, electronics, and computers. This month we will be returning as a 'Lean Mean Atomic Mobius Machine', in contrast with last months guest filled extravaganza. :) Please tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at http://www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, May 15th, at 8pm for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... AwesomeRadio serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements. Here are the addresses to use: broadband http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 24/22 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 16/16 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 Atomic Mobius Machine broadcasts a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of the other addresses. Feel free to visit our website: http://www.musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine. We are still in the process of moving the site to it's own domain, and in the interim there are no longer any mp3's on the site. Please email me if you are interested in obtaining any of the recordings until then. AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.awesomechat.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 10 17:29:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4ALPjL31681; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:25:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:25:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.201.109] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ATTN: Bill Walker Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:25:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2004 21:25:39.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[5769C520:01C436D5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...soryy for the use of bandwidth, but, Bill, I have been trying to send you an e-mail re: yer Loopstck performance. It keeps bouncing back to me (perhaps that is appropro?). Did you change your addy? Please send me your e-mail at: ekstasis1@hotmail.com Thanks.... Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 10 18:51:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4AMnsD12604; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:49:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 18:49:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: ATTN: Bill Walker Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 15:49:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <2tIz6.A.0ED.RcAoAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did get this e-mail, Perhaps before you were sending it to billwalker@looppool.com The address again is billwalker@looppool.info. It was great seeing you and hearing you play, and jamming with you. See you soon Bill -----Original Message----- From: max valentino [mailto:ekstasis1@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 2:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ATTN: Bill Walker ...soryy for the use of bandwidth, but, Bill, I have been trying to send you an e-mail re: yer Loopstck performance. It keeps bouncing back to me (perhaps that is appropro?). Did you change your addy? Please send me your e-mail at: ekstasis1@hotmail.com Thanks.... Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 11 07:52:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4BBoah27754; Tue, 11 May 2004 07:50:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:50:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: FW: Loopstock 2004 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:52:52 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Damon Pity you didn't make it! We had a blast all together! I might be going to Rick Walker's Y2K4, maybe we could meet then? Regards, Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Damon Grossman [mailto:damongrossman@comcast.net] Sent: Dienstag, 13. April 2004 08:21 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FW: Loopstock 2004 i will be there damon grossman, percussionist los angeles -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 5:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FW: Loopstock 2004 In a message dated 4/12/04 5:48:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes: Dear list members I'm going to attend the Loopstock 2004 event. FWIW.....i will be there also and i can't wait.....be seeing ya bernhard.....YIPEE.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 11 07:54:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4BBpbW27901; Tue, 11 May 2004 07:51:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:51:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [81.86.254.229] X-Originating-Email: [bootstick@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bootstick@hotmail.com From: "Daniel Mayfield" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: UK Echoplex dealers Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:51:31 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2004 11:51:31.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D2A6FA0:01C4374E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Is anyone one here from the UK and uses an EDP? I'm looking to purchase one but cannot find anyone who distributes them here. If anyone has one and wouldn't be kind enough to just give away for free! Where did you get it from? Thanks Dan Mayfield _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 11 08:21:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4BCJxO00334; Tue, 11 May 2004 08:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 08:19:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40A0C4B0.8050403@soundscapes.us> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 08:18:56 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #372 for May 6, 2003. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Because I had computer problems, not everyone recieved last week's playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040429.html or the April Monthly Top 20 Report: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/top20apr.html These URLs are provided for your convenience. === http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040506.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #372 May 6, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Demo Sessions Mojave 2003, the unedited tracks from the Ricochet Gathering. The Featured CD at Midnight was disc one of the four disc set on Ricochet Dream Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the EP "Room With A View" by Von Jugel on Ghost Arcade Records. Demo Sessions Mojave 2003 - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#may PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Von Jugel Macht, geld, und der Room With A View (Ghost mord Arcade) VA [Andy Pickford] Binarhythm Sequences No. 29 Free System Projekt Departure Passenger 4 (Quantum) and Dweller at the Threshold Dweller at the The Full Boundary Full Boundary Condition Threshold Condition - Part 1 (Quantum) John Lakveet Petra Super Petram Building Sequential Stones Volume 1 (Groove) VA [Alpha Wave A Quiet Invocation Ambienism Volume One Movement] (Spiralight) 12:00 am The Mojave Wind Interstate-15 Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) The Mojave Wind Mysterious Sounds at Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) Nipton The Mojave Wind Vegas Headliner Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Demo Sessions - Mojave 2003 on Ricochet Dream Records. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the second disc of this limited edition 4-CD set. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Rubycon" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 11 08:35:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4BCWLE01577; Tue, 11 May 2004 08:32:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 08:32:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c4af8e$5e01f560$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Bernhard Wagner and Y2k4 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 05:32:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bernhard wrote: "I might be going to Rick Walker's Y2K4, maybe we could meet then?" Just a quick correction, Bernhard....................that is OUR Y2K4 Live Looping Festival, decidedly not mine!!!! By the way, two very cute goth girls came up to me tonight at the Box and told me how sexy they thought you were. They both asked me, indedpendently of each other, if you were coming tonight as well and I told them that you were back in Switzerland and they were bummed. You went over big time in Santa Cruz. I can hook you up with a date if it's any more incentive to have you come in October...........lol! Of course, I want you for your artistry, my man!!!! yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 11 09:19:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4BDI0t08319; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:18:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Bernhard Wagner and Y2k4 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:20:16 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003301c4af8e$5e01f560$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Blush, blush, BLUSH! Can we move this (doubtlessly intriguing ;-) subject off list? How do I apply for removal of postings from the archives? ;-) Rick, I am sorry for my misformulation! My intent was to say "organized by Rick Walker" (BTW: did you get my email I sent to: rickwalker@looppool.info on May, 10th 02:05 ?). embarrassedly yours, Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Montag, 11. Oktober 2004 14:32 > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Subject: Bernhard Wagner and Y2k4 > > > Bernhard wrote: > > "I might be going to Rick Walker's Y2K4, maybe we could meet then?" > > > Just a quick correction, Bernhard....................that is OUR Y2K4 Live > Looping Festival, decidedly not mine!!!! > > By the way, two very cute goth girls came up to me tonight at > the Box and > told me how sexy they thought you were. They both asked > me, indedpendently of each other, if you were coming tonight as well and I > told them that you were back in Switzerland and they were bummed. > You went over big time in Santa Cruz. I can hook you up with > a date if > it's any more incentive to have you come in October...........lol! > Of course, I want you for your artistry, my man!!!! > > yours, Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 11 23:35:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4C3XZQ15868; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:33:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:33:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200405111152.i4BBqJ828048@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200405111152.i4BBqJ828048@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <240A3B46-A3C5-11D8-9179-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: EDP multitap feature Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:33:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm thinking of one of those backlit LCD screens. Anything, including LEDs, can be washed out in bright lighting conditions (yet another reason not play outside in the daytime as far as I'm concerned...), and I suppose it's less expensive from a hardware cost perspective, but a pixel-based display would (in theory) give greater flexibility to the display. The current setup works pretty well for the EDP as it is, but as long as I'm fantasizing about a new hardware platform and expanded software, I'd like a bigger display. And more information can be more confusing when you're improvising, but as it is I have to remember which loops have information in them with almost no visual feedback from the EDP display. Other things that might be nice to monitor from the display would be the current length of each loop, where you are in the current playing loop (a counter). Now every day I work with several software tools that have horrible, horrible interfaces which were the product of creeping featureitis, but I'm just brainstorming. A thousand great features and a crap interface are worth less than a dozen great features and a great interface. Actually, I wish that I had a foot controller that displayed a lot of this information. I wish there was something like a Rocktron All-Access, but with smoother switches and a programmable LCD display above each switch. I know that there's zero chance of such a thing ever getting made, but it'd be nice. The lack of really good MIDI foot controllers is a sad thing. TravisH On May 11, 2004, at 4:52 AM, matthias wrote: >> From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:00 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: EDP multitap feature >> >> >> I think this is the sort of thing that'd have to wait until a new >> hardware platform for the Loop software evolves. On the next EDP I'd >> like to see a large LCD display (something along the lines of the tc >> D2/M1/G-Force) so that you could simultaneously monitor a variety of >> parameters--loop time, where you are in the loop, feedback level, any >> commands waiting for the lame duck period to finish, number of loops >> with material in them, etc. This sort of display would make it easier >> to program things like multi-tap loop. > > Sure I would love to display more. > but an LCD is not necessarily better because its less visible and more > information is more confusion when you are improvising. > > So how would the display solve the problem of operation? > Do you want menus to step through and program patterns of taps/volumes > and then call those... from the presets? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 12 01:02:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4C51Bk29243; Wed, 12 May 2004 01:01:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 01:01:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: EDP w/PMC-10 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 01:01:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <240A3B46-A3C5-11D8-9179-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Thread-Index: AcQ30h89QP0t746sSheR0mXtD654ZgACkWyQ Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.hostingcertified.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hazardfactor.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, so I just got my PMC-10 footcontroller to use with my EDP. I had, for the last 8 years, used the EFC-7, which has worked great, but in the interest of space saving, decided to try the PMC-10. I have many of the major functions of the EDP up and running. My problem is triggering record. I am using note #38, velocity 64, momentary switch..on release of the switch, it sends velocity 0. This works fine, mostly. Sometimes, when I hit record, it is almost like a double press...it records .4 seconds and then resets. I press record again, and it then works fine. After I am done with that loop, hit record to start another, and it repeats the resetting. After that, it is fine. This only happens when sending midi messages- not with the front panel or with the EFC-7. The PMC-10's midi out is plugged directly into the EDP. This is getting maddening. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 12 01:59:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4C5wYF03647; Wed, 12 May 2004 01:58:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 01:58:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040511230209.06cbb890@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:04:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP w/PMC-10 In-Reply-To: References: <240A3B46-A3C5-11D8-9179-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sounds to me like it isn't really sending the note-off message. Maybe you have a typo in the PMC-10 programming? Or maybe you have a flaky switch on the PMC-10? kim At 10:01 PM 5/11/2004, hazard factor wrote: >I have many of the major functions of the EDP up and running. My problem is >triggering record. I am using note #38, velocity 64, momentary switch..on >release of the switch, it sends velocity 0. This works fine, mostly. >Sometimes, when I hit record, it is almost like a double press...it records >.4 seconds and then resets. I press record again, and it then works fine. >After I am done with that loop, hit record to start another, and it repeats >the resetting. After that, it is fine. This only happens when sending midi >messages- not with the front panel or with the EFC-7. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 12 02:05:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4C634M05459; Wed, 12 May 2004 02:03:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 02:03:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP w/PMC-10 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:02:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcQ30h89QP0t746sSheR0mXtD654ZgACkWyQAAJ0jCA= In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20040512060254.CYHV6612.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sometimes the PMC double triggers--is this it? Have you tried changing the B string to some other velocity, say 9 or so? Or what about a normal (not momentary) setting? Gary -----Original Message----- From: hazard factor [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP w/PMC-10 OK, so I just got my PMC-10 footcontroller to use with my EDP. I had, for the last 8 years, used the EFC-7, which has worked great, but in the interest of space saving, decided to try the PMC-10. I have many of the major functions of the EDP up and running. My problem is triggering record. I am using note #38, velocity 64, momentary switch..on release of the switch, it sends velocity 0. This works fine, mostly. Sometimes, when I hit record, it is almost like a double press...it records .4 seconds and then resets. I press record again, and it then works fine. After I am done with that loop, hit record to start another, and it repeats the resetting. After that, it is fine. This only happens when sending midi messages- not with the front panel or with the EFC-7. The PMC-10's midi out is plugged directly into the EDP. This is getting maddening. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 12 02:24:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4C6MqJ07795; Wed, 12 May 2004 02:22:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 02:22:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP w/PMC-10 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 02:22:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040511230209.06cbb890@loopers-delight.com> Thread-Index: AcQ35lTsGbPnqEBLSUWVK1jhCExfkwAAlwVA Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.hostingcertified.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hazardfactor.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Most likely it isnt sending the 'note off' right- I will double check my programming tomorrow. I also have to check if my bank is pointing to the preset that I am actually editing, and not the copy. All things I thought about after I shut it off for the night. Doesn't seem to be a faulty pedal, though...I checked it with other pieces of gear, and the MidiOx program, several times. Few more questions...string B is supposed to be note off? What velocity? Is note on, velocity 0, the same as note off? When it is set up right, it can duplicate the long press of record just by holding it down? Thanks much for the quick response, I can't imagine there are more than a few people in the world using these 2 pieces of gear! Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > sounds to me like it isn't really sending the note-off > message. Maybe you have a typo in the PMC-10 programming? Or > maybe you have a flaky switch on the PMC-10? > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 12 02:42:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4C6eaG09330; Wed, 12 May 2004 02:40:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 02:40:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040511234331.06cb48b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:46:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP w/PMC-10 In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040511230209.06cbb890@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:22 PM 5/11/2004, hazard factor wrote: >Few more questions...string B is supposed to be note off? yes >What velocity? might as well use 0 >Is note on, velocity 0, the same as note off? they are supposed to be equal, yes. I guess I usually use the actual note-off message, but either way should work. >When it is set up right, it can >duplicate the long press of record just by holding it down? yes. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 12 04:29:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4C8Rma25109; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:27:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 04:27:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: FW: loopstock... Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:30:05 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopstock 2004 meant a lot of "first time"s for me: It was my first performance all by myself (with a friendly audience), it was my first performance in the US, it was my first performance playing directly into a PA from my effect rig (which turned out not to be a good idea, I should have used stanitarium's generously offered Fender Guitar-Amp!! That's what I've been used to for decades!). I had the opportunity to listen to a very wide range of styles on Loopstock 2004 and would encourage anyone to come and attend the next possible such event. Especially if you are a looper yourself, you learn so much from watching others! This can mean musically, technically, how to set up and configure your rig, how to present yourself as a performer, how to announce your individual pieces, how to organize your whole gig in a dramatically meaningful way, etc. After that I was lucky enough to stay with Michael Klobuchar, Rick and Bill Walker and their wives/partners. Jon Wagner then invited me to attend a rehearsal of his jazz band. A very experienced jazz pianist sat in and observed the rehearsal and offered positive comments about their performance. And boy, did he praise their playing! And for good reason! I had a couple of day's time with Rick during which he presented me his really interesting theory on rhythm. One aspect that stunned me particularly was the connection he pointed out between the musical concept of syncopation and the physiological reaction to it (adrenalin). Rick's theory goes on to catalogue and name all possible binary and ternary subdivisions of a bar. This allows to much more quickly grasp and describe a new and unknown rhythm. Unfortunately, we did not have more time as we were just starting to delve into the tuff stuff... At the next opportunity, I hope to go on with it (Will you have time around Y2K4, Rick?) In any case, Loopstock 2004 was a thrilling adventure for me. Thanks to everybody! And especially Hans Lindauer, who pulled it off! Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 12 08:35:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4CCTBH08517; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:29:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:29:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 02:24:27 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP w/PMC-10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1iRt9C.A.-EC.XihoAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thats the hazard factor, Dave! :-) You could verify with a MIDI tool that the PCM-10 sends out two notes when it creates the short loop. A bouncing switch can happen with MIDI, too. I bet if you use a different switch it does not do it. Maybe cleaning or just using it a lot fixes it? >OK, so I just got my PMC-10 footcontroller to use with my EDP. I had, for >the last 8 years, used the EFC-7, which has worked great, but in the >interest of space saving, decided to try the PMC-10. >I have many of the major functions of the EDP up and running. My problem is >triggering record. I am using note #38, velocity 64, momentary switch..on >release of the switch, it sends velocity 0. This works fine, mostly. >Sometimes, when I hit record, it is almost like a double press...it records >.4 seconds and then resets. I press record again, and it then works fine. >After I am done with that loop, hit record to start another, and it repeats >the resetting. After that, it is fine. This only happens when sending midi >messages- not with the front panel or with the EFC-7. >The PMC-10's midi out is plugged directly into the EDP. >This is getting maddening. > >Dave Eichenberger >http://www.hazardfactor.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 12 12:04:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4CFwHs20358; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:58:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:58:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.25.125] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopstock 2004: another eyewitness account Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:58:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2004 15:58:11.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECF5CE80:01C43839] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been meaning to chime in on this for over a week now.... It was so great to have a day to hang and listen to some incredbily creative souls. And, there were some "interesting" events; namely the "loopers vs. the cowboys and the jukebox: which unfortunately was coming to a head just as I was starting my set, and the vibe kinda threw me. Stan and Rick both have made some very kind comments about my playing and I thank you both very much. Hans had mentioned to me when I first arrived at Loopstck that morning that he really wanted to get a lot of "collaboration" going on, and the lack of a schedule certainly achieved that. Perhaps a stroke of genius? At one point we had all of the participants on stage in a glorious demonstation of controlled loop-mayhem. Yes it was tricky to find your space (and often that involved not playing at all...but listening to what the others were doing was just as fun!) Here's my run down: Satnatarium: My God! What a quantum leap Stan has made with his music and looping! Certaily, there were all the hall marks of a Stanatarium performance (the surf-guitar quotes and generous doses of tremolo...as well as the sheer volume!). Yet Stan showed a lot of growth; displaying an array of guitar tones and textures from ambient drones (complete with random speeding up and slowing down of the loops) to Neil Young-ish distorto-rage...and everything in between. This coupled with some very nice arrangements of lopps and song-type structures. I think everyone was quite impressed with Stan's opening set. Ending with a duet of "Love Rollercoaster" with the human beat box Rick Walker was so very cool.... David Giovachinni: a "newbie" brought to us by Jon Wagner, showed some incredile musicality on "toy" instruments; his playing of a kid's toy pocket trumpet was outstandning, and his loping on a laptop with Abelton Live really demonstrated some new approaches. The duet set with Jon and David was fantastic...with the voice of William Burroughs sitting in as a guest. Jon, as always, was simply incredible. No drum set this time, just a lot of "do-dads" from which he coaxed the most wonderous rhythmical loops and shadings...I always love playing with Jon. Michael Klobuchar: dude, you never cease to amaze me! Some really incredbile loops and sounds...and as I was postioned on stage right next to you, I kept stopping to listen to these seriously manicical sounds that were popping ot of your gtr and Boomerrang. Bernard Wagner, who came al lthe way from Switzerland to attend Loopstck, did a short set solo and then, humbly asked some of to join him on stage. What a gas.... I especially enjoyed improvising with Bernard, and his "low-tech" octaver bass sounds created quite a low end rumble as he and I mimiced each others bass-lines! I t was great to meet you, and I hope to see you again (Y2K4?). Bernard sat in with just about everyone, and kept adding really cool little bits to everything. Iwas quite impressed. Then there were those fabulous Walker Brothers....Bill really put on a dazzling show. Eschewing his usual "mission control" setup for two DL4s, he nonetheless demonstrated, and quite masterfully, the use of half-time/double-time loops, the illusion of syncing machines which are "un-sync-able" and a deep and powerful musical sense. I was quite floored by Bill's set..and a bit intimidated at going on after him! Rick Walker again showed us how much fun a looping performance can be. Playing a variety of found objects and kids' toys, his set was at once both fun and profound, and it reminded me tjhat often we become so rapt with the technology and isssues therein, that we, or at least I, sometimes forget that music is fun. He amazed, dazzled and made us laugh. I have come to expect this of Rick, yet, everytime I see/hear him play, by the end of the set I feel happier than I did before. There is a certain joy and beauty the man projects. And finally, Hans...who put the whole thing together, and in sme twisted stroke of genius made it more than just a "looping event". This was the first festival like this where the focus, for the most part, was interaction between the particapants, and a musical dialogue created via loops. That alone is somewhat noteworthy......as was his handling of the "cowboy incident" Thanks Hans! Hans' own set featured some rather cool human beat box sounds, looped of course,and then sliced and diced in a really cool and unique way (another technique I need to steal!) and some seriously DEEP dub-style bass lines which shook the house. All in all...a splendid time was had by all...and it was again to see Kim Flint in attendence. And for all those who didn't make it...the next time someone post a "gig spam" about a looping event, and you are anywhere near the venue, go to it! Get and support each other (and, as Rick pointed out) the bonus is the variety of tricks, techniques and inspirations which you will come away with. Thanks to all who were there....great seeing, hearing and playing with you all again! Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 12 12:13:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4CGBeM23608; Wed, 12 May 2004 12:11:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:11:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040512161136.88956.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:11:36 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: been obsessed w/ "Live Looping" (or recorded live looping) To: loop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1940987159-1084378296=:88798" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1940987159-1084378296=:88798 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii a while back there was all the talk/discussion about live looping and what could be done live (and the tools to do that) so for the last month or so i've been obsessed w/ trying it myself in a home studio recorded versions (i'm currently working on disc #3 of material). i suppose some of it could be influenced (or "Blamed" in a nice way) by Andre L.F's last cd, "Normalized" that i got for xmas. his process has been very influencial in trying to dissect (and i should note that i wish there was a EDP dvd of how to use, what it does, etc for non-owners like me just to see it in action)...for me just been interested in what could be done loop wise in the "on the fly" mode using my cheapo gear of (guitar &) digitech rp100 and my dod d12 for delay and samples (mainly sampling mutated 2 sec loops from the rp100) been a fun project, but in listening back, there's a lot of "dull moments" so it's been a learning experience of what you can do, and the pitfalls of doing stuff "live" (in recorded setting for me).... s---- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' --0-1940987159-1084378296=:88798 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
a while back there was all the talk/discussion about live
looping and what could be done live (and the tools to do that)
so for the last month or so i've been obsessed w/ trying it
myself in a home studio recorded versions (i'm currently working on disc
#3 of material). i suppose some of it could be influenced (or "Blamed" in
a nice way) by Andre L.F's last cd, "Normalized" that i got for xmas. his process
has been very influencial in trying to dissect (and i should note that i wish there was a EDP dvd of how to use, what it does, etc for non-owners like me just to see it in action)...for me just been interested in what could be done loop wise in the "on the fly"
mode using my cheapo gear of (guitar &) digitech rp100 and my dod d12 for
delay and samples (mainly sampling mutated 2 sec loops from the rp100)
been a fun project, but in listening back, there's a lot of "dull moments"
so it's been a learning experience of what you can do, and the pitfalls of
doing stuff "live" (in recorded setting for me)....
s----

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THE "GRAB YOUR SWORDS AND HIDE YOUR WOMEN&q= uot; TOUR continues this friday at GEMS OF THE WORLD'S bi-annual ART EVENT..= ...your's truely will be scareing the kiddies and pleasing the adults with m= y loopy maddness (at least i hope so).....2023 EAST CARSON ST. (SOUTHSIDE) P= ITTSBURGH PA. 6 till ?.....ART<MUSIC<GEMS<FOOD.....what more could = you ask for?.....michael



~brake A leigg~ --MS_Mac_OE_3167213039_94617_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 12 18:40:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4CMd3b01118; Wed, 12 May 2004 18:39:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 18:39:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040512223852.31223.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:38:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Play once function with EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <81.bb59f2c.2dd3d88a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would like to set up the play once function like the one on the DL4 with my EDP, but i dont want it to retrigger when i press on the button,i want to be able to press before the loop reaches the end going into mute after that,and then start it with the same button again if i wish to.I suppose next loop could do this but i would have to set up a different pedal to restart the loop.Got a tip anybody? thanx Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 12 19:40:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4CNZlW09646; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:35:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:35:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: MPX G2 Frontpanel Repair Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 01:37:44 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another thrill originating from Loopstock 2004... http://nosuch.biz/soundz/MPX_G2_FrontPanelRepair/index.html :-) Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 12 20:27:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4D0NtO19808; Wed, 12 May 2004 20:23:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:23:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.140.8.2] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: (gig spam) Drum Machine solo in Oakland this friday Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:22:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2004 00:22:45.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[6999E840:01C43880] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, If anyone's interested, I'll be doing my first ever entirely solo drum machine set this Friday at this event at 21 Grand in Oakland: http://www.projectsoundwave.com/sonic.html I'm actually using 2 completely different looping devices interchangably with the machine (DL-4 and Dod DFX-94), both of which have completely different abilities and limitations. I also use some fx devices to get rather non-standard drum-machine sounds. The other artists on the bill look pretty exciting, too. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 12 22:25:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4D2MdS16720; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:22:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 22:22:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40A2DC08.5080802@proaxis.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:23:04 -0700 From: Teresa Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Matthias Grob _ Paradis Guitar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Matthais, It seems that you may not have received an email from Teresa Graham directly to matthias@grob.org. I am inquiring about purchasing the PolySubBass to go with the Paradis guitar which I purchased on Ebay. The email didn't seem to bounce or anything...? --Go Well From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 13 13:27:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4DHNRI32007; Thu, 13 May 2004 13:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Bryanvandonslear@wmconnect.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:23:10 EDT Subject: trying to find the right looping tool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d.28f8a557.2dd508fe_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d.28f8a557.2dd508fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am new to the list and I am trying to figure out which looping device to buy. I am mainly a guitarist. I have been playing witht the digital delay in my guitarport which has a couple of seconds of delay and which gets dense very quickly. My main reference for looping is Robert Fripps Frippertronics. I would like to be able to have a looper that will basically do what Fripps equipment did.....loop things so I can play against them and build layers. I am thinking that a unit like the line 6 unit, boomerang, or Boss loop station should do this nicely but I am not completely sure. I also noticed in an ad in Guitarworld that Akai has released a new version of the Headrush.....it is E2 rather than E1. Does anyone know anything about this unit. I will be using the unit with a guitar port. This has no effects loop so I am wondering one should put the loop unit ahead of the guitarport or after it. If anyone can shed light on these issues I would be greatly appreciative. Bryan --part1_d.28f8a557.2dd508fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am new to t= he list and I am trying to figure out which looping device to buy.  I a= m mainly a guitarist.  I have been playing witht the digital delay in m= y guitarport which has a couple of seconds of delay and which gets dense ver= y quickly.

My main reference for looping is Robert Fripps Frippertronics.  I w= ould like to be able to have a looper that will basically do what Fripps equ= ipment did.....loop things so I can play against them and build layers. &nbs= p;I am thinking that a unit like the line 6 unit, boomerang, or Boss loop st= ation should do this nicely but I am not completely sure.
I also noticed in an ad in Guitarworld that Akai has released a new vers= ion of the Headrush.....it is E2 rather than E1.  Does anyone know anyt= hing about this unit.

I will be using the unit with a guitar port.  This has no effects l= oop so I am wondering one should put the loop unit ahead of the guitarport o= r after it.  

If anyone can shed light on these issues I would be greatly appreciative= .

Bryan

--part1_d.28f8a557.2dd508fe_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 13 13:55:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4DHr1Q03537; Thu, 13 May 2004 13:53:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:53:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040513175254.94734.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:52:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Herman Subject: Re: FW: loopstock... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I agree--I took a one month series of lessons with Rick Walker a couple months ago, and it greatly expanded my view on the wide-ranging topic of "rhythm." Matt Herman funender.com/music/herman > I had a couple of day's time with Rick during which > he presented me his > really interesting theory on rhythm. One aspect that > stunned me particularly > was the connection he pointed out between the > musical concept of syncopation > and the physiological reaction to it (adrenalin). > Rick's theory goes on to > catalogue and name all possible binary and ternary > subdivisions of a bar. > This allows to much more quickly grasp and describe > a new and unknown > rhythm. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 13 20:02:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4DNxXl21396; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:59:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:59:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <8E03F14E-A539-11D8-8261-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: trying to find the right looping tool Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 18:59:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4DNxW221365 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 13, 2004, at 12:23 PM, Bryanvandonslear@wmconnect.com wrote: > My main reference for looping is Robert Fripps Frippertronics.  I > would like to be able to have a looper that will basically do what > Fripps equipment if you want a pedal for Frippertronicising, buy a Boss DD-20. 200 bucks gives you stereo 23 second delays, and the ability to oppose 2 delay loops of different lengths like he does with Soundscapes. email me if you'd like to chat about it, or pose questions to the list. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 13 23:15:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4E3AWj22262; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:10:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 23:10:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bc01c4397a$9aefb2d0$6800a8c0@yew> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: EDP phase inversion... Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 23:13:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C4393F.EE2D8520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <0xhmBB.A.vbF.oiDpAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C4393F.EE2D8520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I mentioned this before, but no one seemed to care. =20 I notice that whatever audio I put into the EDP is phase inverted when = it's recorded and looped. I can see the inversion when I record EDP = stuff on my computer. Is this phase inversion intentional? If so, why? = Sometimes I want to double a part in unison to add thickness to it, but = the notes sort of cancel each other out between what I play and what's = coming out of the EDP so it ends up being weaker. =20 Has anyone else witnessed this phenomenon, or is it something else in my = signal chain that is causing it? Or maybe just my EDP? -J ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C4393F.EE2D8520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I mentioned this before, but no one = seemed to=20 care. 
 
I notice that whatever audio I put into = the EDP is=20 phase inverted when it's recorded and looped.  I can see = the=20 inversion when I record EDP stuff on my computer.  Is this = phase=20 inversion intentional?  If so, why?  Sometimes I want=20 to double a part in unison to add thickness to it, but = the=20 notes sort of cancel each other out between what I play and = what's=20 coming out of the EDP so it ends up being weaker.  =
 
Has anyone else witnessed this = phenomenon, or is it=20 something else in my signal chain that is causing it?  Or = maybe=20 just my EDP?
 
-J   
------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C4393F.EE2D8520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 14 00:20:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4E4HM502307; Fri, 14 May 2004 00:17:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 00:17:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40A4484F.9030704@finleysound.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 21:17:19 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: EDP phase inversion... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse, I think most software programs have some sort of utility to invert the phase of audio files. I know Logic Audio have a phase inverter plug-in. Of course this doesn't help with the "why," but you could at least double your parts without phase cancellation. Matt Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: I mentioned this before, but no one seemed to care. I notice that whatever audio I put into the EDP is phase inverted when it's recorded and looped. I can see the inversion when I record EDP stuff on my computer. Is this phase inversion intentional? If so, why? Sometimes I want to double a part in unison to add thickness to it, but the notes sort of cancel each other out between what I play and what's coming out of the EDP so it ends up being weaker. Has anyone else witnessed this phenomenon, or is it something else in my signal chain that is causing it? Or maybe just my EDP? -J -- www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 14 09:19:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4EDGOC10756; Fri, 14 May 2004 09:16:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:16:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: new Eiving Aarset CD Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 15:17:08 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: Z4dl9UZagemLkP9X3u8br2H5cHtDnXLyagwA+q2aAZDTKoskw5qqr+@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <-HHnOD.A.8nC.oaMpAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just got the new Eiving Aarset CD, Connected. Eivind (who became famous as the guitarist in Nils Petter Molvaer's group) is one of my guitar+electronics heroes. Buy this record if you like experimental/jazzy guitar+electronics stuff that is fun to listen to. Yes, there are loops in there but everything is computer based and quite complex and sophisticated, I'd guess Max/MSP is used or something similar. Eivind's guitar voicing and sound is unique. Our own Luca Formentini is listed in the credits list. Can you elaborate Luca what your contribution was to the CD, and can you relate any interesting secrets from Eivind's sound kitchen? Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 14 10:17:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4EEGNJ20710; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:16:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:16:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: trying to find the right looping tool Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:16:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2004 14:16:17.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[05713050:01C439BE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it depends on what you want, have you tried to compare them in the tools of the trade page? for my money I like line 6s dl-4 but if you want longer loops the 22secs maybe the boomerang, althought i have never used one myself i have heard good things about its vercitility. actually as a message to the board in general would it be possible to make a matrix style grid to show the various features of the differant and most used loops, eg, compare the EDP,Line6 , RC-20, Repeater,Jamman,Boomerang for Feedback,number of loops, can you save loops, max loop time etc. I would be willing to make up the matrix in excel or something if i could get the info from you all on the ones ive never played with and if i can get info on whenm freatures you would all like comparasons of. if could certainly be useful to newcomers and upgraders. just let me know how things go Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 14 10:27:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4EEQfd22178; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:26:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:26:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 07:26:22 -0700 From: "Art Simon" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: simart@null.net X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: trying to find the right looping tool X-Sender-Ip: 156.1.60.60 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bryan, If you are using your guitar port with a PC, you might consider a software looper. Since you are already using a computer, it wouldn't add any more equipment or expense to your set up. I like Elottronix XL, which is a VST plug in modeled after Robert Fripp's old tape set-up: http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm You'll need some sort of VST host program to use it. I've had good luck with both Audiomulch and EnergyXT. Ambiloop is a stand alone app that also has a good reputation. Since Elottronix and Ambiloop are freeware, you won't lose anything by giving them a try. Another nice thing about software loopers is that it's straightforward to keep them in sync with a drum machine or sequencer. --- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com simart@null.net --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:23:10 From: Bryanvandonslear@wmconnect.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: I am new to the list and I am trying to figure out which looping device to buy. I am mainly a guitarist. I have been playing witht the digital delay in my guitarport which has a couple of seconds of delay and which gets dense very quickly. My main reference for looping is Robert Fripps Frippertronics. I would like to be able to have a looper that will basically do what Fripps equipment did.....loop things so I can play against them and build layers. I am thinking that a unit like the line 6 unit, boomerang, or Boss loop station should do this nicely but I am not completely sure. I also noticed in an ad in Guitarworld that Akai has released a new version of the Headrush.....it is E2 rather than E1. Does anyone know anything about this unit. I will be using the unit with a guitar port. This has no effects loop so I am wondering one should put the loop unit ahead of the guitarport or after it. If anyone can shed light on these issues I would be greatly appreciative. Bryan ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 14 10:41:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4EEdWq24001; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:39:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:39:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40A4D903.5040702@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:34:43 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #373 for May 13, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040513.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #373 May 13, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Demo Sessions Mojave 2003, the unedited tracks from the Ricochet Gathering. The Featured CD at Midnight was disc two of the four disc set on Ricochet Dream Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Rubycon" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. Demo Sessions - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#may PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream Part 1 * Rubycon (Virgin) Deborah Martin and Palace Tibet (Spotted Peccary) Cheryl Gallagher Akikaze Crisis Aquarius (Quantum) Paul Ellis and Writing on Water Echo System (Groove) Craig Padilla Radio Massacre III Walking on Sea (Northern Echo) International Altus Across the Sahara Altus (none) Wave World Another Strange Day on Another Strange Day on Conxa Conxa (VFR) 12:00 am The Mojave Wind 220 Volt Kpenig Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) The Mojave Wind Manchester Brew Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) The Mojave Wind Electric Yucca Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) The Mojave Wind Drive from Cima Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) The Mojave Wind Coors Chill Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) The Mojave Wind Hole-in-the-Wall * Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Demo Sessions - Mojave 2003 on Ricochet Dream Records. 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May 2004 16:03:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:03:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040514200314.28603.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:03:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: 4ms' Dann working on looper pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Posted to the commonsound forum: "dont hold your breath, but ive been working on something for the past year or so.. its getting closer but still nothing to show. minutes of sample time, multiple simultaneous loops/"one-shots", variable windows and of course insane cross-modulation networks... ahem.. like i said, don't hold your breath" I have a Triwave on order from 4ms, plus other toys to keep me busy for a long time, but this is interesting news to me. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 14 16:16:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4EKF0s16216; Fri, 14 May 2004 16:15:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:15:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c439f0$160531f0$210110ac@rodrigo> From: "Rodrigo Constanzo" To: References: <20040514200314.28603.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 4ms' Dann working on looper pedal Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:14:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if i remember right thats been in the works since 99(when i get my noiseswash from soundshimmer/3ms pedals) id love to see what hed come up as far as loopers go as i love his work, i have a swash and a triwave and have been wanting an atoner for ages but as you said, no breath holding should be in order rodrigo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:03 PM Subject: 4ms' Dann working on looper pedal > Posted to the commonsound forum: > > "dont hold your breath, but ive been working on > something for the past year or so.. its getting closer > but still nothing to show. minutes of sample time, > multiple simultaneous loops/"one-shots", variable > windows and of course insane cross-modulation > networks... > ahem.. like i said, don't hold your breath" > > I have a Triwave on order from 4ms, plus other toys to > keep me busy for a long time, but this is interesting > news to me. > > Paolo > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 14 18:44:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4EMgvh06194; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:42:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:42:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <40A5501F.5050507@unguitar.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 01:02:55 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new Eiving Aarset CD References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6fQ1JC.A.kgB.xtUpAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Peters wrote: >Our own Luca Formentini is listed in the credits list. Can you elaborate >Luca what your contribution was to the CD, and can you relate any >interesting secrets from Eivind's sound kitchen? > Well, I din't know that .... it's a surprise for me ! I've spent some days with Eivind last year. I don't know which contribution I have given him, I'm curious to ask him. I didn't partecipate to the recording. For those who are curious to know what Eivind is using, here's what I can remember: Old Pod (just as a clean preamp=1 sound) Eventide Eclipse Repeater Big Muff EH microsynth 1 more rack effect (it may be an mpx 1) Prescription Electronics Fuzz He's got amazing sensitiveness and good taste. He developed a personal sound during these last years, that was his major task. He is a great guy, one of the guitar players I respect the most. Buy his cd, even if I haven't listened to it yet (but I know all the others), I think I know what is inside it. I reccomend his solo works not just to guitar players, he always has excellent mates together with him (Djs, drummers, bass players, sound designers....) luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 14 19:11:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4EN9vN12087; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:09:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <40A5501F.5050507@unguitar.com> References: <40A5501F.5050507@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: new Eiving Aarset CD Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 01:09:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-05-15, at 01.02, Luca Formentini wrote: > Buy his cd, I tried today, but it had sold out over here ;-) Will try again later. 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--=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 15 05:33:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4F9Vcd31308; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:31:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 05:31:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 03:35:15 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: gr300 for looper? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <40A5E453.6050007@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm not saying this is a for sure thing yet, but i am considering trading one of my gr300s for a looper. i would include a 24-pin cord and assume current market value. probably most interested in a repeater, but i will consider any looping unit. just testing the waters with the intent of tempting myself. any interest? thanks, shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 15 11:29:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4FFS1126632; Sat, 15 May 2004 11:28:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:28:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <96.b0c6ab5.2dd790f9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:27:53 EDT Subject: Re: trying to find the right looping tool (another question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4FFS1226606 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com erwill(?), In a message dated 5/13/04 5:01:44 PM, erwill@suitandtieguy.com wrote: >On May 13, 2004, at 12:23 PM, Bryanvandonslear@wmconnect.com wrote: > >> My main reference for looping is Robert Fripps Frippertronics.   >> I would like to be able to have a looper that will basically do what >> Fripps equipment did. Then you replied . . . >If you want a pedal for Frippertronicising, buy a Boss DD-20. 200 >bucks gives you stereo 23 second delays, and the ability to oppose >2 delay loops of different lengths like he does with Soundscapes. > >e-mail me If you'd like to chat about it, or pose questions to the list. I was wondering . . . I'm a long time EDP user now trying to find ways to pare down from a 16-space rack and a floor full of pedals and controllers to simply an amp, guitar and a few sundry pedals -- for those gigs where it's damn inconvenient to schlepp a ton of gear to. I bought a Line6 DL-4 pedal about 16 months ago and it has already died (deader than a doornail as they say) -- worse still, it's now also out of warrantee. It'll also cost nearly as much to fix as to buy another one of the little buggers. Disgusted, I bought one of those DD20s a month or so ago and have been playing around with it. The "looper" mode is fairly easy to suss right out of the box. However, I find many of its other features pretty hard to comprehend because of the poorly written and obscurely laid out manual. I feel that there is a great deal I can't figure out from just working with the unit itself. Your comment above about the "2 delay loops of different lengths" baffled me when I first read it. Can you please (if it wouldn't be too much trouble) explain how this is possible? So far, I have not been using the thing for anything more than just the most basic of looping functions (in the "Sound on Sound" mode). I know that it is supposed to be capable of a good deal more. But the rest of it all still seems pretty cryptic. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 15 13:05:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4FH46m14792; Sat, 15 May 2004 13:04:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:04:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1cc.20f14c4e.2dd7a77b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:03:55 EDT Subject: zoom FP02 expression pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1cc.20f14c4e.2dd7a77b_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1cc.20f14c4e.2dd7a77b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i may have asked this before, if so, sorry.....the FP02 is the expression pedal that works with the zoom 2100.....mine has been broken for a good while and i miss it, those that dig the ring-mod patches will know why......:).....i looked inside this pedal and there is not that much there, is this fixable? if so by whom? does anyone have one that they want to get rid of?.....i can get a new one for $59.00 is there anything cheaper out there?.....thanks.....michael --part1_1cc.20f14c4e.2dd7a77b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i may h= ave asked this before, if so, sorry.....the FP02 is the expression pedal tha= t works with the zoom 2100.....mine has been broken for a good while and i m= iss it, those that dig the ring-mod patches will know why......:).....i look= ed inside this pedal and there is not that much there, is this fixable? if s= o by whom? does anyone have one that they want to get rid of?.....i can get=20= a new one for $59.00 is there anything cheaper out there?.....thanks.....mic= hael --part1_1cc.20f14c4e.2dd7a77b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 15 13:05:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4FH4I614832; Sat, 15 May 2004 13:04:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:04:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.5.22.161] X-Originating-Email: [dprocyk@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dprocyk@hotmail.com From: "dave procyk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: time twisting Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 17:04:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2004 17:04:12.0281 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5202E90:01C43A9E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there - I am a newbie to gear out there and unfortunately I sold a PDS 8000 last year and am now thinking I really liked the fact I could send something into that machine, twist some knobs, and out came a higher or lower - twisted sound - like a cartoon. PDS 8000's are kinda hard to find. Are there other pedals (etc) that can do this? Most just take the same signal and increase the repeat time. I'd rather it be warped sounding. Thanks for any suggestions. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 15 13:09:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4FH72515683; Sat, 15 May 2004 13:07:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:07:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <35.4764c602.2dd7a82c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:06:52 EDT Subject: Re: time twisting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_35.4764c602.2dd7a82c_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_35.4764c602.2dd7a82c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit have you ever tried a digitech "SPACE STATION".....lots-o-warp for the buck.....michael --part1_35.4764c602.2dd7a82c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable have yo= u ever tried a digitech "SPACE STATION".....lots-o-warp for the buck.....mic= hael --part1_35.4764c602.2dd7a82c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 15 13:19:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4FHIDK19364; Sat, 15 May 2004 13:18:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:18:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 15 May 2004 17:17:59 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Kristian Day" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight." Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:18:07 -0500 Subject: My PSP84 Experiments X-Originating-Ip: 63.186.17.24 X-Originating-Server: ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040515171807.5891C22EEC@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would like to share my experiments with the PSP84 software: http://www.soundclick.com/engineer I recomend the tracks: Sunrise on A burned Valley, Protozoa drops, and Kool Aid Party hit me back with sound feedback Kris ------------------------------------------------- SITE: http://www.helloshadow.tk Loops: http://www.tapegerm.com/guests/theEngineer/ AIM: Comawhite1985 Words: It is better to be a pirate than to join the Navy -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 15 13:30:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4FHTCH21618; Sat, 15 May 2004 13:29:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:29:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c43aa2$202c1790$1cf3ded1@paulaz4ikjae9k> From: To: Subject: hi guys--please help Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:28:47 -0400 Organization: BlueFrog.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C43A80.8D6A8610" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <7JoKaD.A.pRF.nNlpAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C43A80.8D6A8610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm using a Boss RC-20, trying to loop full songs by either creating a = chord progression for a whole song, then overdubbing, or stringing = together verse and chorus phrases. My music is like Joseph = Arthur's--singer-songwriter, guitar-based with electronic = influences--and I'm heavily into overdubbing voice and guitar. =20 Anyway, the RC-20's not working for me because syncing phrases = on-the-fly is virtually impossible, from what I can tell, even with my = Boss FS-5U footpedal. (My rhythms are too complex for that dumb 4/4 = quantize.) Also, I want to do whole sets of 3-5 minute songs, and the = RC-20 can't handle that much information. I want to be able to = cut-and-paste phrases, too. I've read all the specs on looper's delight and searched the archive, = and I still can't figure out how to do what Joseph Arthur is doing with = the JamMan--he does whole songs on-the-fly with tons of overdubs. So: 1. Does anyone use the RC-20 for gigging, and if so, how do you make use = of it? =20 2. Should I buy another looper? I need a lot of memory, etc.--is EDP = my only real option? 3. What about using a Zoom MRS-802CD or other digital recorder with a = looping function? Does anyone use one of these onstage?=20 Any comments would be most welcome. Paula ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C43A80.8D6A8610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm using a Boss RC-20, trying to loop = full songs=20 by either creating a chord progression for a whole song, then = overdubbing, or=20 stringing together verse and chorus phrases.  My music is like = Joseph=20 Arthur's--singer-songwriter, guitar-based with electronic = influences--and I'm=20 heavily into overdubbing voice and guitar. 
 
Anyway, the RC-20's not working for me = because=20 syncing phrases on-the-fly is virtually impossible, from what I can = tell, even=20 with my Boss FS-5U footpedal.  (My rhythms are too = complex for=20 that dumb 4/4 quantize.)  Also, I want to do whole sets of 3-5 = minute=20 songs, and the RC-20 can't handle that much information.  I want to = be able=20 to cut-and-paste phrases, too.
 
I've read all the specs on looper's = delight and=20 searched the archive, and I still can't figure out how to do what Joseph = Arthur=20 is doing with the JamMan--he does whole songs on-the-fly with tons of=20 overdubs.
 
So:
 
1. Does anyone use the RC-20 for = gigging, and if=20 so, how do you make use of it? 
 
2.  Should I buy another = looper?  I need=20 a lot of memory, etc.--is EDP my only = real option?
 
3.  What about using a Zoom = MRS-802CD or other=20 digital recorder with a looping function?  Does anyone use one of = these=20 onstage? 
 
Any comments would be most = welcome.
 
Paula
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C43A80.8D6A8610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 15 16:26:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4FKPqS25837; Sat, 15 May 2004 16:25:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 16:25:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: hi guys--please help Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:25:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C43A80.11E65870" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001101c43aa2$202c1790$1cf3ded1@paulaz4ikjae9k> Resent-Message-ID: <7EY42D.A.sRG.4ynpAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C43A80.11E65870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps Joseph Aurthur is using the replace function on his Jamman? The Jamman allows you to operate in replace mode, meaning, ( and this works best when sending midi clock to the jamman from a midi drum machine or sequencer), rather than having to switch to, or create new loops, you can simply replace the previous loop with new material., but you need to be able to have some kind of time keeping element in the form of a midi clock , drum machine, etc. otherwise with the exception of very short loop phrase of a measure or so, its difficult to keep from dragging or speeding up during replace. Its pretty seemless once you get the hang of it. I toggle in and out of overdub and replace all the time when using my jamman. I do this on the Repeater as well, as it saves memory and allows the music to morph more. I think this type of feature exitsts on the EDP as well ,but not on the floor loopers. I'd be curious to know if he is hearing a click or drumpart live through in ear monitors, otherwise he just has a phenomenal sense of time. Hope that might shed some light Bill walker From: mizfeldman@bluefrog.com [mailto:mizfeldman@bluefrog.com] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: hi guys--please help I'm using a Boss RC-20, trying to loop full songs by either creating a chord progression for a whole song, then overdubbing, or stringing together verse and chorus phrases. My music is like Joseph Arthur's--singer-songwriter, guitar-based with electronic influences--and I'm heavily into overdubbing voice and guitar. Anyway, the RC-20's not working for me because syncing phrases on-the-fly is virtually impossible, from what I can tell, even with my Boss FS-5U footpedal. (My rhythms are too complex for that dumb 4/4 quantize.) Also, I want to do whole sets of 3-5 minute songs, and the RC-20 can't handle that much information. I want to be able to cut-and-paste phrases, too. I've read all the specs on looper's delight and searched the archive, and I still can't figure out how to do what Joseph Arthur is doing with the JamMan--he does whole songs on-the-fly with tons of overdubs. So: 1. Does anyone use the RC-20 for gigging, and if so, how do you make use of it? 2. Should I buy another looper? I need a lot of memory, etc.--is EDP my only real option? 3. What about using a Zoom MRS-802CD or other digital recorder with a looping function? Does anyone use one of these onstage? Any comments would be most welcome. Paula ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C43A80.11E65870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Perhaps Joseph Aurthur is using the replace function on his = Jamman?=20  The Jamman allows you to operate in replace mode, meaning, = ( and this=20 works best when  sending midi clock  to the jamman from a = midi  drum machine or sequencer), rather  than having to = switch to,=20  or create new loops, you can simply replace the previous loop with = new=20 material., but you need to be able to have some kind of time keeping = element in=20 the form of a midi clock , drum machine, etc. otherwise with the = exception of=20 very short loop phrase of a measure or so,  its difficult to keep = from=20 dragging or speeding up during replace.  Its pretty seemless once = you get=20 the hang of it.  I toggle in and out  of overdub and replace = all the=20 time when using my jamman.  I do this on the Repeater as = well, as it=20 saves memory and allows the music to morph more.  I think this type = of=20 feature exitsts on the EDP as well ,but not on the floor loopers.  = I'd be=20 curious to know if he is hearing a click or drumpart live through in ear = monitors, otherwise he just has a phenomenal sense of = time.
Hope=20 that might shed some light
Bill=20 walker
 
 
 
 
 From:=20 mizfeldman@bluefrog.com [mailto:mizfeldman@bluefrog.com]
Sent: = Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:29 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: hi guys--please=20 help

I'm using a Boss RC-20, trying to = loop full songs=20 by either creating a chord progression for a whole song, then = overdubbing, or=20 stringing together verse and chorus phrases.  My music is like = Joseph=20 Arthur's--singer-songwriter, guitar-based with electronic = influences--and I'm=20 heavily into overdubbing voice and guitar. 
 
Anyway, the RC-20's not working for = me because=20 syncing phrases on-the-fly is virtually impossible, from what I can = tell, even=20 with my Boss FS-5U footpedal.  (My rhythms are too = complex for=20 that dumb 4/4 quantize.)  Also, I want to do whole sets of 3-5 = minute=20 songs, and the RC-20 can't handle that much information.  I want = to be=20 able to cut-and-paste phrases, too.
 
I've read all the specs on looper's = delight and=20 searched the archive, and I still can't figure out how to do what = Joseph=20 Arthur is doing with the JamMan--he does whole songs on-the-fly with = tons of=20 overdubs.
 
So:
 
1. Does anyone use the RC-20 for = gigging, and if=20 so, how do you make use of it? 
 
2.  Should I buy another = looper?  I=20 need a lot of memory, etc.--is EDP my only = real option?
 
3.  What about using a Zoom = MRS-802CD or=20 other digital recorder with a looping function?  Does anyone use = one of=20 these onstage? 
 
Any comments would be most = welcome.
 
Paula
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C43A80.11E65870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 15 21:16:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4G1FnU25182; Sat, 15 May 2004 21:15:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 21:15:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c43ae4$5d393040$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Hypnotech 3 + low frequency pilot with General Chaos Visuals Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 21:23:16 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <6hp8AB.A.JIG.0CspAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday May 18th - Hypnotech 3 and low frequency pilot with General Chaos Visuals Opening the night will be Hypnotech 3, whose music explores the uncharted territory between the neo-vintage elektro of Kraftwerk, and the rhythmic sine-tone minimalism of Lullatone. Hypnotech 3 is the brainchild of John Merrall and Michael Pawluk, who themselves live their lives exploring the uncharted territory between being an international radio DJ and a less-famous relative of Sarah McLachlan, and struggling valiantly against obscurity in the post-industrial wasteland of Hamilton, Ontario. Hypnotech 3 has, in the past, played live alongside Lowfish, Nash the Slash, Hollowphonic, Orphx, My Education, Malory, Quasimojo, Beef Terminal, !Bang Elektronika and DJ Lex from Legion of Green Men. This will be their 5th PiNG appearance. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/hypnotech3.htm For the second set, (more visitors from Hamilton) experimental noise makers low frequency pilot have threatened to engage in some hauntingly beautiful music. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/lowfrequencypilot.htm General Chaos Visuals will control your horizontal and your vertigo. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com Between Sets CD - "out of the system" by karmafarm Also a Hamilton resident, karmafarm's Steven Sauve has created this collection of dark and beautiful ambient systems music primarily on the Nord Modular analog modeling synthesizer. http://www.karmafarm.ca (Available now at ping things) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming May 25th 2004 - Beef Terminal and unravelled brown cassette tape lying on a freeway with General Chaos Visuals www.beefterminal.com http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com http://www.geocities.com/unravelledbrowncassetetape Between Sets CD - "bibimbap" by Various Artists http://foundrysite.com/bibimbap . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Trajectories" by Diatonis is a beautiful study in guitar based ambience, conjuring up imagery of rebirth and renewal that are both soothing and inspired. The disc opens with the track "Mourning Sky", a slowly building piece of light pads and minimal guitar work. A harmonic melody weaves throughout, giving the song a sense of depth and darkness, a feeling of profound loss, of endings. Where the first piece suggests loss, track two "Flatland" brings to mind feelings of rebirth in a new environment. Oblique motion is created by the intertwining of rich pads instilling "Flatland" with a sense of renewal and secrets shared. Sublime. Track four, "Cloudless", follows the same theme of a new environment with a sense of a sky so blue, so clear, that words haven't been invented yet to describe it's beauty. Soft drones in the background of the piece suggest a lazy heat giving way to cool night air. Beautiful. "Nothing in Mind" sees a return of simple guitar over slowly rising drones, suggesting the birth of identity, of self. There's something very life affirming about this track, something very inspired, powerful in it's depth. Closing track "One to Be" features minimal melodic work throughout, a slight sense of closure to the experience, paired with a feeling of having come full circle to the point where it all starts again, a point from which lessons will be relearned and experiences will be had for the first time again. A charming piece to close the disc. A lovely body of work, "Trajectories" is a collection of songs that celebrates the magic of life & revels in the joy of discovery. Diatonis has created a truly wonderful disc with this release, a work sure to remind us of the beauty that surrounds us. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Explore the ping things' newly expanded "features" section at: http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 15 21:28:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4G1ScM27364; Sat, 15 May 2004 21:28:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 21:28:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <96.b0c6ab5.2dd790f9@aol.com> References: <96.b0c6ab5.2dd790f9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <32D3DFED-A6D8-11D8-9FD6-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: trying to find the right looping tool (another question) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:27:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 15, 2004, at 10:27 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > erwill(?), yep. ERic WILLiamson is my middle name and surname. i go by Suit & Tie Guy though. > I feel that there is a great deal I can't figure out from just working > with the unit itself. Your comment above about the "2 delay loops > of different lengths" baffled me when I first read it. Can you please > (if it wouldn't be too much trouble) explain how this is possible? > > So far, I have not been using the thing for anything more than just > the most basic of looping functions (in the "Sound on Sound" mode). i would leave the SoS mode posthaste unless that's the paradigm you're used to. the opposing loop lengths thing that i'm talking about is that when you switch from one memory register to the next in the preset chain, the previous delay does not just end abruptly ... it continues at whatever feedback percentage you had it set to. the DD-20 juggles 2 independent delay engines (each with their own 23-second memory allocation) to do that trick. the way this is harnessed in poly-looping is to use the delay function (not the SoS function) to loop with. think of the "bypass" switch as more of a "punch in/punch out" control. build an 8 second loop. set feedback at 100 percent. move to the next preset, and adjust it to the delay time you want for this layer. build loop. repeat. using that technique you can navigate through different layers of loops in a serial fashion, and always have a loop to "glue" the previous loop to the next. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 15 22:25:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4G2Olc03603; Sat, 15 May 2004 22:24:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 22:24:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040516022434.82570.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 03:24:34 +0100 (BST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?isischild=5F999@yahoo.com?=" Subject: DP/4 tips and tricks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6X5tiB.A.I3.oDtpAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am the pround new owner of an Ensoniq DP/4 and found links to additional resources which include creating a 6.6 second delay. However, it seems that Emu doesn't have the files anymore. Anyone users here that may be able to show me another set of links or be able to email the files directly?? Thanks for your time, Dan ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 16 04:11:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4G8ASp03280; Sun, 16 May 2004 04:10:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 04:10:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.81) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 16 May 2004 08:09:56 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Kristian Day" To: "Tom Rex" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight." Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 03:10:22 -0500 Subject: RE: My PSP84 Experiments X-Originating-Ip: 63.186.16.229 X-Originating-Server: ws1-12.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040516081022.A53E01F4FEA@ws1-12.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com actually I recorded a few guitar sounds from my 7 string and put them into fruityloops, I used two other effects besides the PSP84, the Decimate plugin and the Breather plugin. If you are not familular with Decimate it is an awesome sample rate and bit depth modifier. for more info on it go to my website, there is a review of it. The breather plugin is by Tiny God, this is a cycle filter effect. check out http://www.estarcion.com/tinygod/tinygod.html for more info. godspeed Kris ------------------------------------------------- SITE: http://www.helloshadow.tk Loops: http://www.tapegerm.com/guests/theEngineer/ AIM: Comawhite1985 Words: It is better to be a pirate than to join the Navy -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 16 04:47:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4G8keo12518; Sun, 16 May 2004 04:46:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 04:46:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040516093317.027ebc90@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 09:43:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #175 In-Reply-To: <200405152026.i4FKQei26098@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200405152026.i4FKQei26098@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 21:26 15/05/04, you wrote: >i may have asked this before, if so, sorry... yes, I think you did >..the FP02 is the expression pedal that works with the zoom 2100.....mine >has been broken for a good while and i miss it, those that dig the >ring-mod patches will know why......:).....i looked inside this pedal and >there is not that much there, is this fixable? depends what's wrong with it, it's probably either a quick fix, or not really worth it. Get it checked out, could be just a bad lead. > if so by whom? does anyone have one that they want to get rid of?.....i > can get a new one for $59.00 is there anything cheaper out > there?.....thanks.....michael I'm pretty sure you won't find anything cheaper, it's not a standard expression pedal. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 16 05:35:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4G9YAb19416; Sun, 16 May 2004 05:34:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 05:34:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c43b28$c4e48de0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <001101c43aa2$202c1790$1cf3ded1@paulaz4ikjae9k> Subject: Re: hi guys--please help Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 05:32:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C43B07.3D81E7B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <4tbPeC.A.DqE.JVzpAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C43B07.3D81E7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well....The RC-20 probably isn;t for you.... I'd read up on the eletrix repeater. It might be your best option. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mizfeldman@bluefrog.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 1:28 PM Subject: hi guys--please help I'm using a Boss RC-20, trying to loop full songs by either creating a = chord progression for a whole song, then overdubbing, or stringing = together verse and chorus phrases. My music is like Joseph = Arthur's--singer-songwriter, guitar-based with electronic = influences--and I'm heavily into overdubbing voice and guitar. =20 Anyway, the RC-20's not working for me because syncing phrases = on-the-fly is virtually impossible, from what I can tell, even with my = Boss FS-5U footpedal. (My rhythms are too complex for that dumb 4/4 = quantize.) Also, I want to do whole sets of 3-5 minute songs, and the = RC-20 can't handle that much information. I want to be able to = cut-and-paste phrases, too. I've read all the specs on looper's delight and searched the archive, = and I still can't figure out how to do what Joseph Arthur is doing with = the JamMan--he does whole songs on-the-fly with tons of overdubs. So: 1. Does anyone use the RC-20 for gigging, and if so, how do you make = use of it? =20 2. Should I buy another looper? I need a lot of memory, etc.--is EDP = my only real option? 3. What about using a Zoom MRS-802CD or other digital recorder with a = looping function? Does anyone use one of these onstage?=20 Any comments would be most welcome. Paula ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C43B07.3D81E7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well....The RC-20 probably isn;t for=20 you....
 
I'd read up on the eletrix = repeater.  It might=20 be your best option.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mizfeldman@bluefrog.com =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 = 1:28=20 PM
Subject: hi guys--please = help

I'm using a Boss RC-20, trying to = loop full songs=20 by either creating a chord progression for a whole song, then = overdubbing, or=20 stringing together verse and chorus phrases.  My music is like = Joseph=20 Arthur's--singer-songwriter, guitar-based with electronic = influences--and I'm=20 heavily into overdubbing voice and guitar. 
 
Anyway, the RC-20's not working for = me because=20 syncing phrases on-the-fly is virtually impossible, from what I can = tell, even=20 with my Boss FS-5U footpedal.  (My rhythms are too = complex for=20 that dumb 4/4 quantize.)  Also, I want to do whole sets of 3-5 = minute=20 songs, and the RC-20 can't handle that much information.  I want = to be=20 able to cut-and-paste phrases, too.
 
I've read all the specs on looper's = delight and=20 searched the archive, and I still can't figure out how to do what = Joseph=20 Arthur is doing with the JamMan--he does whole songs on-the-fly with = tons of=20 overdubs.
 
So:
 
1. Does anyone use the RC-20 for = gigging, and if=20 so, how do you make use of it? 
 
2.  Should I buy another = looper?  I=20 need a lot of memory, etc.--is EDP my only = real option?
 
3.  What about using a Zoom = MRS-802CD or=20 other digital recorder with a looping function?  Does anyone use = one of=20 these onstage? 
 
Any comments would be most = welcome.
 
Paula
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C43B07.3D81E7B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 16 16:36:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4GKZhb28569; Sun, 16 May 2004 16:35:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 16:35:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040516104257.048eebb0@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 15:32:08 -0500 To: From: Catilyne Subject: OT: Tassman 4 Free In-Reply-To: <20040516081022.A53E01F4FEA@ws1-12.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040516081022.A53E01F4FEA@ws1-12.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not *completely* off-topic (there have been previous Reaktor vs. Tassman discussions here) but close.... The current issue of the UK's Music Tech Magazine (May 2004) is bundling Tassman 4 Free -- a stripped-down version of AAS' Tassman 4 -- on the magazine's CD. It's polyphony is limited and it doesn't include all the modules that are in the full version of Tassman 4, but it's otherwise unhindered. It runs as a VSTi on PC, OS9, & OSX, as well as being available as an Audio Unit and standalone. US cost is ~$13.95 The new Tassman is now supposed to have the ability to process incoming audio, so it should be applicable for building your own delay devices and other effects. (Unfortunately, this is one of the modules missing out of Tassman 4 Free, else I'd be trying it already). Still, it's a good way for those Reaktor users curious about the competition to "get their feet wet". Not to mention, this should also appeal to anyone who doesn't feel like shelling out half-a-grand for Tassman's physical modelling algorithms. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 16 21:27:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4H1RAb17535; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:27:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 21:27:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.62.46.181] X-Originating-Email: [jarcher90@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jarcher90@hotmail.com From: "Jeff Archer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Delta Lab Super Timeline Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 01:26:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2004 01:26:54.0004 (UTC) FILETIME=[09539F40:01C43BAE] Resent-Message-ID: <6gNDtD.A.fRE.kTBqAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Delta Lab "Super Timeline" rackmount effect that I use for looping my guitar in a "live" improvisational band setting. I am trying to find any info on this rackmount unit but I cant find any anywhere. There is an input for a footswitch labeled "Repeat" on the back of it but unfortunately this does not seem to work unless I need a certain type of footswitch. I am also wondering is the "Super Timeline" the same unit as the "Effectron" I keep reading about. If anyone has any information for me about this product or the footswitch problem I would really appreciate hearing from them. Thanks, Jeff Archer _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 16 21:41:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4H1e5O20763; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:40:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 21:40:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200405170138.i4H1cs220225@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Delta Lab Super Timeline Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 21:38:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQ7riL0xuobX7GhTq6F111k71AvQgAAXw0g In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try this link some info on the switch http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/DeltaLab/ -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Archer [mailto:jarcher90@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 9:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Delta Lab Super Timeline I have a Delta Lab "Super Timeline" rackmount effect that I use for looping my guitar in a "live" improvisational band setting. I am trying to find any info on this rackmount unit but I cant find any anywhere. There is an input for a footswitch labeled "Repeat" on the back of it but unfortunately this does not seem to work unless I need a certain type of footswitch. I am also wondering is the "Super Timeline" the same unit as the "Effectron" I keep reading about. If anyone has any information for me about this product or the footswitch problem I would really appreciate hearing from them. Thanks, Jeff Archer _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 16 21:44:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4H1ieC21639; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:44:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 21:44:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Delta Lab Super Timeline Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:44:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQ7r6qO5XX8Zn36QrO4E7Obo6w/qwAAI7tg Message-Id: <20040517014423.EKAD19086.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <1q2fjB.A.zRF.9jBqAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Original Message From: Jeff Archer I am also wondering is the "Super Timeline" the same unit as the "Effectron" I keep reading about. If anyone has any information for me about this product or the footswitch problem I would really appreciate hearing from them. ----> Yep! http://www.schematicconnection.com/store/asp/product.asp?recorprod=1&product =154&cat=95&ph=cat&keywords=&recor=&SearchFor=&PT_ID= My first looper was some damn DeltaLab with a Morley pedal--1982! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 16 22:29:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4H2TEY31210; Sun, 16 May 2004 22:29:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 22:29:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040517022851.9139.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 19:28:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: 4ms' Dann working on looper pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c439f0$160531f0$210110ac@rodrigo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember you showed me one or two 3ms style pedals. It seems like most of the hardware loopers other than the EDP are for Fripp style looping - it would be great to see a new looper supporting other methodologies (eg. Andre's glitch style). Paolo --- Rodrigo Constanzo wrote: > if i remember right thats been in the works since > 99(when i get my > noiseswash from soundshimmer/3ms pedals) > id love to see what hed come up as far as loopers go > as i love his work, i > have a swash and a triwave and have been wanting an > atoner for ages > but as you said, no breath holding should be in > order > > rodrigo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paolo Valladolid" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:03 PM > Subject: 4ms' Dann working on looper pedal > > > > Posted to the commonsound forum: > > > > "dont hold your breath, but ive been working on > > something for the past year or so.. its getting > closer > > but still nothing to show. minutes of sample time, > > multiple simultaneous loops/"one-shots", variable > > windows and of course insane cross-modulation > > networks... > > ahem.. like i said, don't hold your breath" > > > > I have a Triwave on order from 4ms, plus other > toys to > > keep me busy for a long time, but this is > interesting > > news to me. > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 00:42:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4I4g5Y32744; Tue, 18 May 2004 00:42:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 00:42:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c43c92$9d1c8400$05945142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20040517022851.9139.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 4ms' Dann working on looper pedal Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 21:43:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <8x-CxC.A.x8H.2PZqAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've explored punching in very short overdubs on long loops with the DL4 and other simple loopers and had very good glitchy results, though the morph-ability of those loops leaves something to be desired. Still it's really been a fun technique for me on ANY looper. EDP's INSERT, REPLACE and SUS modes are amazing and unavailable elsewhere though, so caveat emptor! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 7:28 PM Subject: Re: 4ms' Dann working on looper pedal > I remember you showed me one or two 3ms style pedals. > > It seems like most of the hardware loopers other than > the EDP are for Fripp style looping - it would be > great to see a new looper supporting other > methodologies (eg. Andre's glitch style). > > Paolo > > --- Rodrigo Constanzo wrote: > > if i remember right thats been in the works since > > 99(when i get my > > noiseswash from soundshimmer/3ms pedals) > > id love to see what hed come up as far as loopers go > > as i love his work, i > > have a swash and a triwave and have been wanting an > > atoner for ages > > but as you said, no breath holding should be in > > order > > > > rodrigo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paolo Valladolid" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:03 PM > > Subject: 4ms' Dann working on looper pedal > > > > > > > Posted to the commonsound forum: > > > > > > "dont hold your breath, but ive been working on > > > something for the past year or so.. its getting > > closer > > > but still nothing to show. minutes of sample time, > > > multiple simultaneous loops/"one-shots", variable > > > windows and of course insane cross-modulation > > > networks... > > > ahem.. like i said, don't hold your breath" > > > > > > I have a Triwave on order from 4ms, plus other > > toys to > > > keep me busy for a long time, but this is > > interesting > > > news to me. > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > > > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 01:23:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4I5NNq06285; Tue, 18 May 2004 01:23:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 01:23:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c43c98$294d8be0$210110ac@rodrigo> From: "Rodrigo Constanzo" To: References: <20040517022851.9139.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 4ms' Dann working on looper pedal Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 01:22:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i really look foward to the looper they put out whenever it does come out itd be real nice to see loopers built around non linear looping, or whatever directoin they go i recently sold my edp after years of happy looping and dont feel too bad, since im buying a powerbook with some savings and plan on doing further looping in max/msp, if looping is what you could call some of the applications i plan on using it for speaking of which, have any of you had any experience with radial?, i couldnt find any reviews/comments on the loopers page, it just took a link to cycling74s site rodrigo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 10:28 PM Subject: Re: 4ms' Dann working on looper pedal > I remember you showed me one or two 3ms style pedals. > > It seems like most of the hardware loopers other than > the EDP are for Fripp style looping - it would be > great to see a new looper supporting other > methodologies (eg. Andre's glitch style). > > Paolo > > --- Rodrigo Constanzo wrote: > > if i remember right thats been in the works since > > 99(when i get my > > noiseswash from soundshimmer/3ms pedals) > > id love to see what hed come up as far as loopers go > > as i love his work, i > > have a swash and a triwave and have been wanting an > > atoner for ages > > but as you said, no breath holding should be in > > order > > > > rodrigo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paolo Valladolid" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:03 PM > > Subject: 4ms' Dann working on looper pedal > > > > > > > Posted to the commonsound forum: > > > > > > "dont hold your breath, but ive been working on > > > something for the past year or so.. its getting > > closer > > > but still nothing to show. minutes of sample time, > > > multiple simultaneous loops/"one-shots", variable > > > windows and of course insane cross-modulation > > > networks... > > > ahem.. like i said, don't hold your breath" > > > > > > I have a Triwave on order from 4ms, plus other > > toys to > > > keep me busy for a long time, but this is > > interesting > > > news to me. > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > > > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 02:54:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4I6sNT17569; Tue, 18 May 2004 02:54:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 02:54:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.205.166] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: totalrtt@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 06:53:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2004 06:53:52.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1813160:01C43CA4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI I would like to suscribe to your mailinng list. I play saxophone and make loops live with a Lexicon PCM 80, glide hall effects, and a volume pédal (0 to 127, footswitch1,2, and foot pédal). The machine is great but the tempo falll down quickly, even with the parameters at 0 ms. If there is one or more users of Lexicon, i would like to know how to fix the beat, i need some help. Perhaps I need another hardware stéréo loop machine. So what' new about that kind of machine, and what can be a good stéréo choice, with a nice sound, and good connections. My name is Daniel BROTHIER My adress : totalrtt@hotmail.com Thank's _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://search.msn.fr/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 04:47:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4I8kUm32515; Tue, 18 May 2004 04:46:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 04:46:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looking to buy a Repeater! Message-ID: <1084869443.40a9cb439b6c3@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 03:37:23 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 62.23.89.148 Resent-Message-ID: <2lOPkC.A.71H.6zcqAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, If someone has a Repeater for sale, please get in touch with me.Thanx! Andy ------------------------------------------------- www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 07:23:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4IBMwI22379; Tue, 18 May 2004 07:22:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 07:22:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: superorg@mail.superorg.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:22:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mick ritchie Subject: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all sorry to start here with a basic question - Ive looped for a long time with samplers computers and minidiscs but have gone back to some guitar in a duo and need to find a decent little midi footpedal to trigger AbletonLive and other software - both loops and control changes I picked up an fcb1010 for another job and found Id got an older model and couldnt get it working in time without the current eprom chip so it went back - I also thought it a bit big for carrying about and thought maybe someone out there could recommend something more compact - like half the size with a contol pedal and some switches that I could program without too much of a headache? Or if the 1010 is the most flexible beast Ive now sourced a current model in a different shop mick ritchie try out http://www.resonancefm.com for loops insanity and plaster casts fm artradio for London UK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 08:00:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4IC0LL27859; Tue, 18 May 2004 08:00:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:00:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:58:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, the FCB is quite big, but there's nothing like it in the same price range. If you are planning to loop live with Ableton Live, triggered by a foot pedal, you will need a lot of midi pads for your tap dancing. This is because you have to address each loop on each audio channel directly. So you need a dedicated midi message to start or stop each loop. One way to get around this is to use the little software ControlAid. Can be downloaded for free at http://www.charlie-roberts.com/controlAid/. This software will let you manipulate Ableton Live from a FCB1010 in a way similar to how you work a Repeater from the FCB. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On 2004-05-18, at 13.22, mick ritchie wrote: > > Hi all > > sorry to start here with a basic question - Ive looped for a long time > with samplers computers and minidiscs but have gone back to some > guitar in a duo and need to find a decent little midi footpedal to > trigger AbletonLive and other software - both loops and control > changes > > I picked up an fcb1010 for another job and found Id got an older model > and couldnt get it working in time without the current eprom chip so > it went back - I also thought it a bit big for carrying about and > thought maybe someone out there could recommend something more compact > - like half the size with a contol pedal and some switches that I > could program without too much of a headache? > > Or if the 1010 is the most flexible beast Ive now sourced a current > model in a different shop > > > mick ritchie > > try out http://www.resonancefm.com for loops insanity and plaster > casts fm artradio for London UK > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 08:57:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4ICupu01860; Tue, 18 May 2004 08:56:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:56:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <001901c43cd7$747c39b0$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> From: "Jens Wolters" To: References: Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:55:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ohh noo. its just for MAC ! greetings jens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:58 PM Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al > Yes, the FCB is quite big, but there's nothing like it in the same > price range. > > If you are planning to loop live with Ableton Live, triggered by a foot > pedal, you will need a lot of midi pads for your tap dancing. This is > because you have to address each loop on each audio channel directly. > So you need a dedicated midi message to start or stop each loop. One > way to get around this is to use the little software ControlAid. Can be > downloaded for free at http://www.charlie-roberts.com/controlAid/. This > software will let you manipulate Ableton Live from a FCB1010 in a way > similar to how you work a Repeater from the FCB. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > > On 2004-05-18, at 13.22, mick ritchie wrote: > > > > > Hi all > > > > sorry to start here with a basic question - Ive looped for a long time > > with samplers computers and minidiscs but have gone back to some > > guitar in a duo and need to find a decent little midi footpedal to > > trigger AbletonLive and other software - both loops and control > > changes > > > > I picked up an fcb1010 for another job and found Id got an older model > > and couldnt get it working in time without the current eprom chip so > > it went back - I also thought it a bit big for carrying about and > > thought maybe someone out there could recommend something more compact > > - like half the size with a contol pedal and some switches that I > > could program without too much of a headache? > > > > Or if the 1010 is the most flexible beast Ive now sourced a current > > model in a different shop > > > > > > mick ritchie > > > > try out http://www.resonancefm.com for loops insanity and plaster > > casts fm artradio for London UK > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 09:26:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4IDQL507292; Tue, 18 May 2004 09:26:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:26:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Fwd: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:25:33 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Begin forwarded message: > From: Per Boysen > Date: den 18 maj 2004 15.19.01 MET > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al > > On 2004-05-18, at 14.55, Jens Wolters wrote: > >> ohh noo. its just for MAC ! >> >> greetings jens. > > > oops,, sorry. I was going to say that but it slipped my mind while > typing. Although my PC's are all broken here and I'm momentarily all > mac I tend to forget about the differences. Mac OS X is just so > similar to Win XP ;-) > > Anyway, ControlAid developer is "slowly looking into a Windows > version", I recently learned at the forum > http://www.charlie-roberts.com/cAidForum/ > > / per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 09:55:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4IDs9j11266; Tue, 18 May 2004 09:54:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:54:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Linux looping Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:53:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2004 13:53:20.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A7E7D20:01C43CDF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been wanting to take a look at Linux for a while now, and over the past few days I've downloaded a couple of live cd distributions that boot and run from a cd so I could get my feet wet. I must say, it is quite impressive and wonderful to be able to freely download an OS, burn it to a cd, and boot right up into said OS with no installation necessary. ANYONE with even a hint of curiosity about Linux should REALLY check it out. It absolutely couldn't be easier. I found a lot of good info over at distrowatch http://www.distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=cd There's even a live cd that's optimized for audio, with low i/o latency as a priority. It's called Demudi and you can find it HERE -> http://www.distrowatch.com/?newsid=01540#0 To stay on topic, I know I've seen mention of Linux based looping a few times during my short stint as a list member. Anyone here actually DOING it and using Linux in some form to loop or make music of any sort? Please tell us. Jason Spring _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 09:58:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4IDwWJ12033; Tue, 18 May 2004 09:58:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:58:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Oops, here's some more.... Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:56:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2004 13:56:44.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[F45F33F0:01C43CDF] Resent-Message-ID: <8dG6TD.A.t4C.iYhqAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Probably better to check out Demudi its own site. http://www.agnula.org/Members/sama/demudi_1_1_1_news sorry for the double post. js _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 10:13:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4IEDaC16595; Tue, 18 May 2004 10:13:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 10:13:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6DBD69F2-A8D5-11D8-B45E-000A9599BFB4@chello.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Linux looping Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:12:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <775CbB.A.eBE.hnhqAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-05-18, at 15.53, Jason Spring wrote: > > Anyone here actually DOING it and using Linux in some form to loop > or make music of any sort? Please tell us. Hi Jason, Some weeks ago this was posted to the list: On 2004-04-29, at 22.26, Yon P Mercury wrote: > Hi, friends. I'd like to invite you: > http://home.graffiti.net/swirlee/freewheeling/index.html It's about the Linux software Freewheeling, among other things. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 12:22:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4IGM3007828; Tue, 18 May 2004 12:22:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:22:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Linux looping Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:20:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2004 16:20:48.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[1491C200:01C43CF4] Resent-Message-ID: <4QV4BB.A.g3B.nfjqAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Per. I saw the post about freewheeling. That's part of the reason I finally looked into linux. I was surprised at how user friendly linux is becoming. Granted, there still might be a steep learning curve in some cases or situations compared to my own and most people's familiarity with windows (or OS X), but my experience with these live cd distributions has opened my eyes to the possiblity of a windows free computing experience. I advise anyone to check it out. JS >From: Per Boysen >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Linux looping >Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:12:43 +0200 > >On 2004-05-18, at 15.53, Jason Spring wrote: >> > >> Anyone here actually DOING it and using Linux in some form to loop or >>make music of any sort? Please tell us. > >Hi Jason, > >Some weeks ago this was posted to the list: > >On 2004-04-29, at 22.26, Yon P Mercury wrote: > >>Hi, friends. I'd like to invite you: >>http://home.graffiti.net/swirlee/freewheeling/index.html > >It's about the Linux software Freewheeling, among other things. > >All the best > >Per Boysen >--- >http://www.boysen.se >http://www.looproom.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 13:28:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4IHQA420243; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:26:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:26:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040518172517.95135.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 10:25:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: 4ms' Dann working on looper pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001c01c43c92$9d1c8400$05945142@Biffoz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Miko Biffle wrote: > EDP's INSERT, REPLACE and > SUS modes are amazing and unavailable elsewhere > though, so caveat emptor! Therein lies a problem, as evidenced by Andy's posts on Gibson allowing 300+ EDPS to rot in a warehouse because they took forever to pay for them. Somebody other than Gibson needs to incorporate these features into other hardware loopers. Hopefully the Loop IV port to the Chameleon will help address this. It would be super cool if 4ms did something similar with Dann's new looper. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 13:54:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4IHr7E24750; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:53:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:53:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 10:50:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040518172517.95135.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcQ8/prRwjgAbpCHS+qfj7zUy1+XDgAAdsvQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040518175103.DOEE22459.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----> Surely it is only a matter of time before the EDP comes back to market. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Valladolid Gibson allowing 300+ EDPS to rot in a warehouse because they took forever to pay for them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 14:38:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4IIbIX01269; Tue, 18 May 2004 14:37:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:37:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Linux looping Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:33:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <4a2h9.A.qQ.cdlqAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-05-18, at 18.20, Jason Spring wrote: > I was surprised at how user friendly linux is becoming. Granted, > there still might be a steep learning curve in some cases or > situations compared to my own and most people's familiarity with > windows (or OS X), but my experience with these live cd distributions > has opened my eyes to the possiblity of a windows free computing > experience. I advise anyone to check it out. I'm very interested in learning about Linux. Actually my audio PC died last summer when I was in the middle of installing a debian build and since then I've been mac only. Greg House made me aware of http://www.yellowdoglinux.com - linux for mac - and I'm just hoping the Yellow Dogs won't bite my powerbook to death ;-) Or maybe software updates will make me a happy OS X camper, don't know yet. Lots of interesting things are going on this summer - Logic 7 with "elastic audio" is around the corner and Plastikman has got some personalized software, with "a special MIDI output feature", from Ableton. Ableton that is also deep down in Altivec optimizing their code right now. So just about anything can happen in a near future. Maybe it will be enough to stay with OS X ;-D cheers per All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 14:49:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4IIn6a02974; Tue, 18 May 2004 14:49:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:49:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:47:06 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c43d08$84cda980$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040518175103.DOEE22459.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Today I just received my second notice from Musician's Friend on the two EDPs I have on order...30 more days they say. Yeah, yeah... Kris -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? ----> Surely it is only a matter of time before the EDP comes back to market. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Valladolid Gibson allowing 300+ EDPS to rot in a warehouse because they took forever to pay for them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 18:52:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4IMpmF10616; Tue, 18 May 2004 18:51:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:51:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: RE: hi guys--please help Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:50:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C43CEF.DE6DE1D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C43CEF.DE6DE1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i saw Joe Arthur perfrom and I think he might use the Line 6 (the green one.) i think it may be that he just has a great sense of timing. damon -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@looppool.info] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 1:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: hi guys--please help Perhaps Joseph Aurthur is using the replace function on his Jamman? The Jamman allows you to operate in replace mode, meaning, ( and this works best when sending midi clock to the jamman from a midi drum machine or sequencer), rather than having to switch to, or create new loops, you can simply replace the previous loop with new material., but you need to be able to have some kind of time keeping element in the form of a midi clock , drum machine, etc. otherwise with the exception of very short loop phrase of a measure or so, its difficult to keep from dragging or speeding up during replace. Its pretty seemless once you get the hang of it. I toggle in and out of overdub and replace all the time when using my jamman. I do this on the Repeater as well, as it saves memory and allows the music to morph more. I think this type of feature exitsts on the EDP as well ,but not on the floor loopers. I'd be curious to know if he is hearing a click or drumpart live through in ear monitors, otherwise he just has a phenomenal sense of time. Hope that might shed some light Bill walker From: mizfeldman@bluefrog.com [mailto:mizfeldman@bluefrog.com] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: hi guys--please help I'm using a Boss RC-20, trying to loop full songs by either creating a chord progression for a whole song, then overdubbing, or stringing together verse and chorus phrases. My music is like Joseph Arthur's--singer-songwriter, guitar-based with electronic influences--and I'm heavily into overdubbing voice and guitar. Anyway, the RC-20's not working for me because syncing phrases on-the-fly is virtually impossible, from what I can tell, even with my Boss FS-5U footpedal. (My rhythms are too complex for that dumb 4/4 quantize.) Also, I want to do whole sets of 3-5 minute songs, and the RC-20 can't handle that much information. I want to be able to cut-and-paste phrases, too. I've read all the specs on looper's delight and searched the archive, and I still can't figure out how to do what Joseph Arthur is doing with the JamMan--he does whole songs on-the-fly with tons of overdubs. So: 1. Does anyone use the RC-20 for gigging, and if so, how do you make use of it? 2. Should I buy another looper? I need a lot of memory, etc.--is EDP my only real option? 3. What about using a Zoom MRS-802CD or other digital recorder with a looping function? Does anyone use one of these onstage? Any comments would be most welcome. Paula ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C43CEF.DE6DE1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i saw=20 Joe Arthur perfrom and I think he might use the Line 6 (the green one.) = i think=20 it may be that he just has a great sense of timing.
 
damon
-----Original Message-----
From: William Walker=20 [mailto:billwalker@looppool.info]
Sent: Saturday, May 15, = 2004 1:25=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: hi=20 guys--please help

Perhaps Joseph Aurthur is using the replace function on his = Jamman?=20  The Jamman allows you to operate in replace mode, meaning, = ( and=20 this works best when  sending midi clock  to the = jamman from a=20 midi  drum machine or sequencer), rather  than having to = switch to,=20  or create new loops, you can simply replace the previous loop = with new=20 material., but you need to be able to have some kind of time keeping = element=20 in the form of a midi clock , drum machine, etc. otherwise with the = exception=20 of very short loop phrase of a measure or so,  its difficult to = keep from=20 dragging or speeding up during replace.  Its pretty seemless once = you get=20 the hang of it.  I toggle in and out  of overdub and replace = all the=20 time when using my jamman.  I do this on the Repeater as = well, as it=20 saves memory and allows the music to morph more.  I think this = type of=20 feature exitsts on the EDP as well ,but not on the floor = loopers.  I'd be=20 curious to know if he is hearing a click or drumpart live through in = ear=20 monitors, otherwise he just has a phenomenal sense of=20 time.
Hope=20 that might shed some light
Bill=20 walker
 
 
 
 
 From:=20 mizfeldman@bluefrog.com = [mailto:mizfeldman@bluefrog.com]
Sent:=20 Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:29 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: hi guys--please = help

I'm using a Boss RC-20, trying to = loop full=20 songs by either creating a chord progression for a whole song, then=20 overdubbing, or stringing together verse and chorus phrases.  = My music=20 is like Joseph Arthur's--singer-songwriter, guitar-based with = electronic=20 influences--and I'm heavily into overdubbing voice and guitar.  =
 
Anyway, the RC-20's not working for = me because=20 syncing phrases on-the-fly is virtually impossible, from what I can = tell,=20 even with my Boss FS-5U footpedal.  (My rhythms are = too=20 complex for that dumb 4/4 quantize.)  Also, I want to do whole = sets of=20 3-5 minute songs, and the RC-20 can't handle that much = information.  I=20 want to be able to cut-and-paste phrases, too.
 
I've read all the specs on looper's = delight and=20 searched the archive, and I still can't figure out how to do what = Joseph=20 Arthur is doing with the JamMan--he does whole songs on-the-fly with = tons of=20 overdubs.
 
So:
 
1. Does anyone use the RC-20 for = gigging, and=20 if so, how do you make use of it? 
 
2.  Should I buy another = looper?  I=20 need a lot of memory, etc.--is EDP my only=20 real option?
 
3.  What about using a Zoom = MRS-802CD or=20 other digital recorder with a looping function?  Does anyone = use one of=20 these onstage? 
 
Any comments would be most=20 welcome.
 
Paula
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C43CEF.DE6DE1D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 19:41:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4INfD019512; Tue, 18 May 2004 19:41:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 19:41:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040518233921.93151.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:39:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040518175103.DOEE22459.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope so. Better yet, somebody reproduces the EDP features in a different unit (not made by Gibson). I wanted to order one, but none of the stores had any in stock. Then I found out about the Gibson warehouse mess. So I got an Emu XL-7 instead and put down a deposit on the EH16 reissue. Paolo --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > ----> Surely it is only a matter of time before the > EDP comes back to > market. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paolo Valladolid > > Gibson allowing 300+ EDPS to rot in a warehouse > because they took forever to > pay for them. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 21:08:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4J17k602557; Tue, 18 May 2004 21:07:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 21:07:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c43d3c$beb91830$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20040518233921.93151.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:00:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do hope that Kim or Matthias or Andy or someone is getting these kinds of comments back to the geniuses at Gibson? There's something fundamentally flawed in what's going on with the EDP (my opinion, obviously). It seems like really bad business, or more likely, those typical disconnected, illogical, profit-draining decisions that companies start to make when they are confused about their strategy with a particular product. Read it, boys. If you're backing out of the product, then get the hell out and give someone a shot. If not, get off of your butts, pay for the machines, and then SELL THEM TO PEOPLE. Unreal. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? > I hope so. Better yet, somebody reproduces the EDP > features in a different unit (not made by Gibson). > > I wanted to order one, but none of the stores had any > in stock. Then I found out about the Gibson warehouse > mess. > > So I got an Emu XL-7 instead and put down a deposit on > the EH16 reissue. > > Paolo > > --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > > ----> Surely it is only a matter of time before the > > EDP comes back to > > market. > > Gary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paolo Valladolid > > > > Gibson allowing 300+ EDPS to rot in a warehouse > > because they took forever to > > pay for them. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 21:22:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4J1M7H04891; Tue, 18 May 2004 21:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 21:22:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c43d40$0783dca0$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: References: <20040518233921.93151.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 21:24:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, the XL-7 is a pretty cool machine. I used to have one myself. I mean, 32 arpeggiators! Pablo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: Re: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? > I hope so. Better yet, somebody reproduces the EDP > features in a different unit (not made by Gibson). > > I wanted to order one, but none of the stores had any > in stock. Then I found out about the Gibson warehouse > mess. > > So I got an Emu XL-7 instead and put down a deposit on > the EH16 reissue. > > Paolo > > --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > > ----> Surely it is only a matter of time before the > > EDP comes back to > > market. > > Gary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paolo Valladolid > > > > Gibson allowing 300+ EDPS to rot in a warehouse > > because they took forever to > > pay for them. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 21:27:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4J1QFL05429; Tue, 18 May 2004 21:26:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 21:26:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bc01c43d3e$8523d040$d3e7cfcf@eclipse.net> From: "Edward Yuhas, Jr." To: Subject: Guitar Effects Pedals 101 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 21:13:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C43D1C.FC5DC980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C43D1C.FC5DC980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello gang, I've not posted much, as I find that reading the dailies keeps me = informed and intrigued by this thing we call looping... Anyway, being a guitarist for nearly 2.5 yrs now and a looper for 1 of = them, I have questions and concerns, and a will to learn. I bought the = compilation CD The Longest Day, and was wondering about what effects are = used to create some of the sounds? The sounds are those droning, soundscap-ey backgrounds, and the others = are some guitar effects, such as that distinguishable David Gilmour = sound, or say, someone like Nik Barrett of Pendragon who is playing a = lead over looped backgrounds. I am pretty familiar with delay, = reverb...but not sure about phase, flange, etc. amp modelers... So, to keep it short...can anyone provide some info as to how these = sounds are created? I feel "stuck" in my looping creativity and wish to = progress further, rather than lay down licks and play live over them. = Perhaps I need some education in compositions well? Anyway, I thought = that this group was the right place to ask. My gear: Fernandes LP w/ sustainer>Boss Volume>Digitech RP100>Boss = Octave>DL-4>Boss RC-20>Boss Volume>Fender Reverb Deluxe Thanks, I look forward to any and all guidance and advice. Ed in NJ PS You can post or email me privately... ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C43D1C.FC5DC980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello gang,
 
I've not posted much, as I find that reading the = dailies keeps=20 me informed and intrigued by this thing we call looping...
 
Anyway, being a guitarist for nearly 2.5 yrs now and = a looper=20 for 1 of them, I have questions and concerns, and a will to learn. I = bought the=20 compilation CD The Longest Day, and was wondering about what effects are = used to=20 create some of the sounds?
 
The sounds are those droning, soundscap-ey = backgrounds, and=20 the others are some guitar effects, such as that distinguishable David = Gilmour=20 sound, or say, someone like Nik Barrett of Pendragon who is playing a = lead over=20 looped backgrounds. I am pretty familiar with delay, reverb...but not = sure about=20 phase, flange, etc. amp modelers...
 
So, to keep it short...can anyone provide some info = as to how=20 these sounds are created? I feel "stuck" in my looping creativity and = wish to=20 progress further, rather than lay down licks and play live over them. = Perhaps I=20 need some education in compositions well? Anyway, I thought that this = group was=20 the right place to ask.
 
My gear:
 
Fernandes LP w/ sustainer>Boss Volume>Digitech = RP100>Boss Octave>DL-4>Boss RC-20>Boss Volume>Fender = Reverb=20 Deluxe
 
Thanks, I look forward to any and all guidance and=20 advice.
 
Ed in NJ
 
PS You can post or email me = privately...
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C43D1C.FC5DC980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 22:27:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4J2RWo15717; Tue, 18 May 2004 22:27:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:27:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:25:33 -0600 Message-ID: <000201c43d48$908288f0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002801c43d3c$beb91830$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed. Customer satisfaction and loyalty, two traits that distinguish the most successful and well respected companies in the world, are obviously not in Gibson's charter and overall business plan. The sad thing is that the customer need is being delivered to them on a silver platter, but they are playing politics. Gibson has some of us at a disadvantage for the time being, because they lack a viable competitor that can provide an alternative product with a similar feature set. However, this arrangement will only endure so long before customers settle with an alternative product, or another manufacture comes out with something new and comparable, after which EDP will die in the marketplace. Gibson can cry "middleman" all they want, but the bottom line is that their reputation is on the line. This is flat out marketing 101 poor business practice. I would encourage everyone to express their concerns using Gibson's web form: http://www.gibson.com/info/mailfeeder/indextest.html Paste the following: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=EDP %3Bbackorder&errors=0&maxfiles=50&maxlines=10&.cgifields=partial&.cgifie lds=restricttofiles&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=case&.cgifields=filel ist (search string on looper's delight for "EDP;backorder" K- -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? I do hope that Kim or Matthias or Andy or someone is getting these kinds of comments back to the geniuses at Gibson? There's something fundamentally flawed in what's going on with the EDP (my opinion, obviously). It seems like really bad business, or more likely, those typical disconnected, illogical, profit-draining decisions that companies start to make when they are confused about their strategy with a particular product. Read it, boys. If you're backing out of the product, then get the hell out and give someone a shot. If not, get off of your butts, pay for the machines, and then SELL THEM TO PEOPLE. Unreal. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? > I hope so. Better yet, somebody reproduces the EDP > features in a different unit (not made by Gibson). > > I wanted to order one, but none of the stores had any > in stock. Then I found out about the Gibson warehouse > mess. > > So I got an Emu XL-7 instead and put down a deposit on > the EH16 reissue. > > Paolo > > --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > > ----> Surely it is only a matter of time before the > > EDP comes back to > > market. > > Gary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paolo Valladolid > > > > Gibson allowing 300+ EDPS to rot in a warehouse > > because they took forever to > > pay for them. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 18 22:44:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4J2hff17712; Tue, 18 May 2004 22:43:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:43:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:37:12 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance AS 220 Providence, RI 5.22.04 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4J2fZ217429 Resent-Message-ID: <0vgi0C.A.nQE.glsqAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'm pleased and proud to be taking part in the annual shindig at one of the nicest performance spaces anywhere, AS220. I'll be performing as part of ============>>> FOOL'S BASSIS <<<=============== 1am Sensual Dan (spinning hip hop, two step and drum n bass) 12am Mahi Mahi (electronic acoustic minimalist maximalist bliss) 11pm DJ Confucion v. DJ Vipat (spinning breaks, bass and beats, downtempo, uptempo and in between) 10pm (with Matt Everett) (beautiful happy trippy trancey blippy dancey) with live improvisational video by: Sign System Dr. T (http://foryourhead.com) VJ She ============>>> FOOL'S BASSIS <<<=============== AS 220 is at 115 Empire St, Providence 401 831 9327 www.as220.org. Directions to AS220 >From the North RT 95 south to Exit 21 (Atwells Ave); At the top of the ramp take your first left; Go Left at 2nd light (after Holiday Inn) and go straight through 2 lights; AS220 is on Left after 2nd light. >From the South RT 95 north to Exit 21 (Broadway); At the top of the ramp go Right Go through 3 lights; AS220 is on left after 3rd light. >From the West Take RT 6 to downtown Providence. After exiting, you will pass the Westin Hotel on your right. Take a right, and then another right on Sabin Street. Follow Sabin past the Convention Center until you must take a left onto Empire; follow Empire through two lights, AS220 is on the left after 2nd light. >From the East RT 195 West to RT 95 North; RT 95 North to Exit 21 (Broadway); At the top of the ramp go right; Go through 3 lights; AS220 is on left after 3rd light The entire event is described below FOOLS BALL Three Story House Party AS220 is proud to announce the tenth anniversary of the Fools Ball, our annual signature gala event, bringing five days of revelry to the Downtown Arts and Entertainment District, from May 18th though 22nd. The culminating event will take place on Saturday, May 22, 2004, beginning at 6 PM with our Sponsors Reception, followed by the House Party at 9 PM. The party will feature the best of local music including performances by the the White Man, Rory Raven, Eric Fontana, the Kat-Fu Crew, Mahi Mahi, Neo'90s Dance Band, Broad Street Orchestra, Super Chief Trio and DJ Donald King. Revelers should come festively (or foolishly) attired to dance the night away, play wild carnival games and party til the wee hours of the morning! Tickets are on sale now, and space is limited -- so don't be a fool, buy your ticket today! $25 TENT 6-9pm Sponsor's Dinner 9-2am Party 6-7pm Raoul Bjorkheim and Lukas Ligeti Two very gifted improvisers and composers, Raoul Björkenheim, guitar, and Lukas Ligeti, drums, embark on, in Ligeti's words, "an exploration of spontaneously created timbres and meters coalescing into harmonies and forms." Those searching for starkly new, extraordinarily original music may find it in this duo. "This is improvised music," Ligeti adds, "Our interplay is conversational. We prefer to have several distinctly different things happening at simultaneously and having these elements maintain precariuos yet discernible relationships to one another." Both musicians are trained in jazz and classical Western music theory, and they share a keen interest in African and Asian traditional forms of music. All these influences, harnessed to razor sharp intellect and instrumental dexterity, give their music a sound unlike any other. Live, Björkenheim and Ligeti continue the conversation begun on their recent TUM release, Shadowglow, always extending their language while entertaining and nourishing intellectually curious music lovers everywhere. This concert marks the second stop on a tour of the Eastern U.S. to support Shadowglow. Raoul Bjorkenheim has worked with the Finnish maestro of free jazz, Edward Vesala, with whom he recorded on the ECM label, formed the progressive jazz group Krakatau, which also recorded for ECM, and the Scorch Trio, which continues to tour. Composition commissions include three suites for big band, an ambitious work for electric guitar orchestra and three pieces for symphony orchestra. The most recent, a concerto for electric guitar, violin and Orchestra titled "Situations", premiered in 2002 to outstanding critical and popular acclaim. Raoul has been awarder the Young Finland Prize, the Emma prize (Finnish "Grammy"), Best Finnish Jazz Musician of the Year and two nominations for the Nordic Music Prize. Lukas Ligeti has composed music for Ensemble Modern, the Kronos Quartet, and his own group Beta Foly, which combines African and Occidental music in experimental ways. His music has been performed by the London Sinfonietta, San Francisco Contemporary Music Players, Orchestre National de Lyon, London Composers' Ensemble, Amadinda, and Synergy. As an improvising musician, he has worked with Henry Kaiser, Elliott Sharp, Michael Manring, Wadada Leo Smith, John Tchicai, Benoit Delbecq, Gianni Gebbia, Jim O'Rourke, Thurston Moore, Ned Rothenberg, Marilyn Crispell, and many others.cumbie 7-8:30pm DJ Tim O'Keefe 8:30-9pm Broad Street Orchestra 9-9:45 Super Chief Trio The Superchief Trio plays a sassy mix of New Orleans flavored blues and boogie, a touch of swing, some old school R & B, and a waltz or two. Their repertoire includes mostly original tunes, as well as a few select covers of Professor Longhair, Randy Newman, Mose Allison, Ernie K-Doe and others. The band features Keith Munslow on piano and vocals, Pamela Murray on trombone and vocals, and the one-of-a-kind percussion antics of John Cote. http://www.keithmunslow.com 10-10:45pm TRIO JAZZ Young Min - guitar Sean Noonan - drum set Will Slater - bass Trio Jazz is a modern jazz collaboration that blends lyrical melodies with rhythmic group improvisations creating an expressive and original sound for jazz. Trio Jazz's is harmonically interactive and spontaneous, allowing the music to always explore different angles. The unique sound of guitarist Young Min has earned him a respected profile as a jazz artist in Korea. Young's music has been broadcasted live on Korea's main television station "KBS" and performed live for over 20,000 listeners in various venues. Young is joined by Brooklyn based drummer Sean Noonan who has been stunning audiences from the United States to the United Kingdom during his successful and ongoing career. Noonan displays incredible amounts of energy and creative talent that provide surprise whenever he approaches the drum kit. Ted Belastock from Quarter Notes Jazz says, "Sean Noonan's involvement with Trio Jazz represents a giant step in the rapidly developing career of this gifted young jazz drummer and composer." Will Slater is a young and emerging bassist where his impressive skills just starting to be heard in the Boston music scene. Since 1998 Trio Jazz has performed with jazz greats such as John Lockwood, Mike Mainieri, Bob Moses, and George Garzone. In 2004 Trio Jazz will release their anticipated debut album that will reflect the group's strong commitment to share a new sound to the jazz world. 11-11:45pm Paul Austerlitz and Real People "Afro-Universal Merengue Jazz" featuring Paul Austerlitz, bass-clarinet, Dave Zinno, bass, Royal Hartigan, drum set, Jesús Andújar, Afro-Dominican percussion. Bass-clarinetist, composer, and ethnomusicologist Paul Austerlitz is Assistant Professor of Music at Brown University, where he teaches jazz and world music. Born in Finland and raised in the United States, he combines his background as an ethnomusicologist specializing in Afro-Caribbean music with his creative work as a jazz musician. His band, Real People, presents a unique fusion of merengue rhythms from the Dominican Republic with freely-improvised contemporary jazz. Austerlitz has worked with Doc Cheatham, Gonzalo Rubalcaba , Julius Hemphill, Dave Murray, Don Byron, Roswell Rudd, Jimmy Knepper, Ed Blackwell, Gunter Hampel, the poet Michael Harper, the Haitian Vodou-Jazz group Fula, and the African jazz group of Kwaku Kwaakye Obeng. His CD A Bass Clarinet in Santo Domingo and Detroit (X-DOT 25) presents original compositions and arrangements blending Afro-Caribbean and free-jazz idioms with sundry influences such as Indian classical music and the didgeridoo. Austerlitz's CD Dominican Dreams, American Dreams (Engine Studios 349) features traditional Afro-Dominican rhythms and a wah-wah bass-clarinet version of the "Star Spangled Banner." Austerlitz's most recent CD, Double-Take (innova 604) is a collaboration with the acclaimed poet Michael Harper and presents Harper's jazz-themed poems in conversation with rhythmic bass-clarinet flights. 12-2am Donald King DJ Donald King is the artistic director of the Providence Black Repertory Company. He is also the resident DJ for electric relaxation Sundays at Jerky's Bar and Grill. CAFÉ 6-9PM DJS from BROWN STUDENT RADIO 8:45-9:30pm The Anagram Ensemble The Anagram Ensemble mixes edgy jazz sounds with free improvisation with slight classical leanings. 9:45-10:30 Reverend Glass Eye 10:45-11:30 Beat Circus (formerly Beat Science) Beat Circus plays music time-warped out of the 1920's and 1930'sŠ.in an amalgam of circus music, funeral dirges, music for burlesque, tangos and marchesŠall jump started, braked, and accelerated by their ringleader. Exasperated by all of this, the musicians often rebel by soaring into wild improvisations. Featuring the following cast of characters: Brian Carpenter (slide trumpet, trumpet and conductor), Ron Caswell (tuba, turntables, bicycle horn), Jerome Deupree (drums), Jim Hobbs (alto saxophone), Alec K Redfearn (accordian) and Brandon Seabrook (banjo, smapling). 11:45-12:30am Neo 90's Dance Band http://www.neo90s.com 12:30-2am DJ TY JESSO (of Wyld Card DJs (RI), Subway Soul Club (NYC) & Soulilujah) (Boston) Spinning only the best 60's Northern Soul-Mod-Jazz-Deep-Funk-Mod R-N-B & Rare Grooves SECOND FLOOR STUDIOS/OFFICE SPACE 8pm - 11pm BSS Office The Wee One's Office Weird Nook Space - rachels friend Astrid Plymouth Rock Studio Laura Travis Tom Sgouros Pam Murray Silk Screen Room Rory Raven - Mentalist and Mindbender 9-11pm http://www.roryraven.com Rory Raven knows what you're thinking. Rory Raven will read your mind. Employing a set of remarkable skills, he reveals thoughts, makes predictions that come true, and generally bends the minds of the audience. While he insists he isn't psychic, you might not be so sure. He offers an elegant and unforgettable form of entertainment unlike anything you've ever seen. The White Man "Executive Coordinators for The White Man, Inc., have verified that The White Man will in fact quite possibly, within the naturally unpredictable parameters of various well-known variables particular to the person of The White Man himself, be gracing, with his presence, vitality, and unfathomable ongoing interactive energies of creation, the 2004 version of AS220's primary annual fundwasting disaster, conventionally known as The Fool's Ball and devoted this particular year to a specially preposterous and desultory incantation of a vague conglomeration of pseudo-politically-correct sentiments associated with an exaggerated nostalgia for the reincarnation of a misconceived notion of something called 'Harlem'. Artistic Indicators indicate, at this time, that the form of this grace that The White Man plans to bestow seems to be careening irrevocably toward a random interspersement of guerrilla-style performance-events modeled loosely on the traditional stereotype of the wandering acoustic minstrel and designated for a diversified assortment of locations and times in and around the Downtown Providence Rhode Island Beatnik League Complex on the night of 22 May 2004 and perhaps into the early-morning hours of 23 May 2004. Potential spectators and revelers are warned to be on their guard against possible spontaneous manifestations of genuine charisma and undeniably recognizable artistic quality." UPSTAIRS GALLERY 8pm-12am 8pm - 10pm ACME VIDEO PRESENTS: Films TBA (will be theme related) 10-10:30pm Sentimental Favorites http://www.cwroelle.com Sentimental Favorites, the new and improved, old-fashioned, yet so cutting edge duo, featuring Sonny and Geoff Griffin. 10:45-11:45 Eric Fontana Having gained invaluable experience as a touring/studio musician, Eric's first performance as a solo singer-songwriter was opening for Kristen Hirsh of The Throwing Muses. Since then, he has performed with such notables as Ben Folds, Tanya Donelly, They Might Be Giants, Erin Mckeown, Josh Ritter, Mellissa Ferrick, John Wesley Harding and Soul Coughing lead singer Doughty. Nominated for Best Male Vocal category in the 2001 Providence Phoenix Music Poll, Eric has also performed on the Local Stage at the Newport Folk Festival and the Northampton Music Festival, in addition to live radio broadcasts on WBRU, WRIU, WXIN(R.I.) and WICN(Worcester,Ma.). PERISHABLE CLASSROOM 10pm-2 am Force Of Nature/A Dark And Tranquil Place Presents: DJ Peter Lee DANCE STUDIO 10pm - 2am ============>>> FOOL'S BASSIS <<<=============== 1am Sensual Dan (spinning hip hop, two step and drum n bass) 12am Mahi Mahi (electronic acoustic minimalist maximalist bliss) 11pm DJ Confucion v. DJ Vipat (spinning breaks, bass and beats, downtempo, uptempo and in between) 10pm (with Matt Everett) (beautiful happy trippy trancey blippy dancey) with live improvisational video by: Sign System Dr. T (http://foryourhead.com) VJ She ============>>> FOOL'S BASSIS <<<=============== -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 02:34:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4J6XKR22871; Wed, 19 May 2004 02:33:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 02:33:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.70.57] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: totalrtt@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 06:30:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2004 06:30:18.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[C10A1E30:01C43D6A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI Questions to anybody who use a LEXICON PCM 80 or 81 for tips with GLIDE HALL loops. I play saxophone and make loops live with a Lexicon PCM 80, glide hall effects, and a volume pédal (0 to 127, footswitch1,2, and foot pédal). The machine is great but the tempo falll down quickly, even with the parameters at 0 ms. If there is one or more users of Lexicon, i would like to know how to fix the beat, i need some help. Perhaps I need another hardware stéréo loop machine. So what' new about that kind of machine, and what can be a good stéréo choice, with a nice sound, and good connections. My name is Daniel BROTHIER My adress : totalrtt@hotmail.com Thank's _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://search.msn.fr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 08:07:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4JC7LB18887; Wed, 19 May 2004 08:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:07:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013c01c43d99$58a3b1b0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> From: "Tias" To: References: Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:03:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seems like my first reply didn't go through.. So here it is again. :) Why not just set one pedal to trigg selected sample on each channel in Ableton and then 2 pedals to controll scroll select up and down. That should give room for pretty nifty foot-work on the FCB.. ;) /Tias ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:58 PM Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al > Yes, the FCB is quite big, but there's nothing like it in the same > price range. > > If you are planning to loop live with Ableton Live, triggered by a foot > pedal, you will need a lot of midi pads for your tap dancing. This is > because you have to address each loop on each audio channel directly. > So you need a dedicated midi message to start or stop each loop. One > way to get around this is to use the little software ControlAid. Can be > downloaded for free at http://www.charlie-roberts.com/controlAid/. This > software will let you manipulate Ableton Live from a FCB1010 in a way > similar to how you work a Repeater from the FCB. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > > On 2004-05-18, at 13.22, mick ritchie wrote: > > > > > Hi all > > > > sorry to start here with a basic question - Ive looped for a long time > > with samplers computers and minidiscs but have gone back to some > > guitar in a duo and need to find a decent little midi footpedal to > > trigger AbletonLive and other software - both loops and control > > changes > > > > I picked up an fcb1010 for another job and found Id got an older model > > and couldnt get it working in time without the current eprom chip so > > it went back - I also thought it a bit big for carrying about and > > thought maybe someone out there could recommend something more compact > > - like half the size with a contol pedal and some switches that I > > could program without too much of a headache? > > > > Or if the 1010 is the most flexible beast Ive now sourced a current > > model in a different shop > > > > > > mick ritchie > > > > try out http://www.resonancefm.com for loops insanity and plaster > > casts fm artradio for London UK > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 09:08:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4JD8Ib04272; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:08:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:08:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <013c01c43d99$58a3b1b0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> References: <013c01c43d99$58a3b1b0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5943ABCC-A995-11D8-89C8-000A9599BFB4@chello.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:06:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <4tvUQC.A.N8.ev1qAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tias, In Live there is no way to "trig selected clip" from external midi. However this can be done with the computer keyboard by using the arrow keys and the return key. So a way to do what you are saying is to use a third application that will transform incoming midi data to computer key strokes. I know there is such a utility for Windows available and for Mac I guess it's easy to set it up with some apple scripting (?). Maybe that's what Charlie did to come up with ControlAid? Per On 2004-05-19, at 14.03, Tias wrote: > Seems like my first reply didn't go through.. So here it is again. :) > > Why not just set one pedal to trigg selected sample on each channel in > Ableton and then 2 pedals to controll scroll select up and down. > > That should give room for pretty nifty foot-work on the FCB.. ;) > > /Tias > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al > > >> Yes, the FCB is quite big, but there's nothing like it in the same >> price range. >> >> If you are planning to loop live with Ableton Live, triggered by a >> foot >> pedal, you will need a lot of midi pads for your tap dancing. This is >> because you have to address each loop on each audio channel directly. >> So you need a dedicated midi message to start or stop each loop. One >> way to get around this is to use the little software ControlAid. Can >> be >> downloaded for free at http://www.charlie-roberts.com/controlAid/. >> This >> software will let you manipulate Ableton Live from a FCB1010 in a way >> similar to how you work a Repeater from the FCB. >> >> All the best >> >> Per Boysen >> --- >> http://www.boysen.se >> http://www.looproom.com >> >> >> On 2004-05-18, at 13.22, mick ritchie wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> sorry to start here with a basic question - Ive looped for a long >>> time >>> with samplers computers and minidiscs but have gone back to some >>> guitar in a duo and need to find a decent little midi footpedal to >>> trigger AbletonLive and other software - both loops and control >>> changes >>> >>> I picked up an fcb1010 for another job and found Id got an older >>> model >>> and couldnt get it working in time without the current eprom chip so >>> it went back - I also thought it a bit big for carrying about and >>> thought maybe someone out there could recommend something more >>> compact >>> - like half the size with a contol pedal and some switches that I >>> could program without too much of a headache? >>> >>> Or if the 1010 is the most flexible beast Ive now sourced a current >>> model in a different shop >>> >>> >>> mick ritchie >>> >>> try out http://www.resonancefm.com for loops insanity and plaster >>> casts fm artradio for London UK >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 09:09:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4JD8rm04481; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:08:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:08:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.81) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 19 May 2004 13:07:35 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Kristian Day" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:08:01 -0500 Subject: Denver area looping folks X-Originating-Ip: 63.186.9.109 X-Originating-Server: ws1-12.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040519130801.EEC001F4FEA@ws1-12.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will be moving early June to the Denver area, actually my apartment is in Golden. I'm interested to know what the looping, experimental music scene is like there, or maybe just some cool ppl to meet when I get there. Kris ------------------------------------------------------ SITE: http://www.helloshadow.tk Loops: http://www.tapegerm.com/guests/theEngineer/ AIM: Comawhite1985 Words: "It is better to be a pirate than to join the Navy" - Steve Jobs -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 09:20:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4JDJp907066; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:19:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:19:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014e01c43da3$78684740$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> From: "Tias" To: References: <013c01c43d99$58a3b1b0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> <5943ABCC-A995-11D8-89C8-000A9599BFB4@chello.se> Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:16:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <365WQ.A.WqB.z61qAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uhm Per, Sorry, but you're wrong. Try switching Midi-map learn mode on and off (Ctrl-M on the keyboard) and look on the screen specificly at each channel (and Master) where the "Sends" box is. Notice how a new extrabox pops up and dissapears when turning midi-learn on and off? Notice on the Master channel how that new box contains a play button and 2 up and down arrows and a square with a number? There's your MIDI-mappable "Scroll up/down" and "play all", or on each channel "Play selected clip". Now go ahead and map that to your FCB and enjoy Live even more! ;) /Tias ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 3:06 PM Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al > Hi Tias, > > In Live there is no way to "trig selected clip" from external midi. > However this can be done with the computer keyboard by using the arrow > keys and the return key. So a way to do what you are saying is to use a > third application that will transform incoming midi data to computer > key strokes. I know there is such a utility for Windows available and > for Mac I guess it's easy to set it up with some apple scripting (?). > Maybe that's what Charlie did to come up with ControlAid? > > Per > > > On 2004-05-19, at 14.03, Tias wrote: > > > Seems like my first reply didn't go through.. So here it is again. :) > > > > Why not just set one pedal to trigg selected sample on each channel in > > Ableton and then 2 pedals to controll scroll select up and down. > > > > That should give room for pretty nifty foot-work on the FCB.. ;) > > > > /Tias > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Per Boysen" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:58 PM > > Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al > > > > > >> Yes, the FCB is quite big, but there's nothing like it in the same > >> price range. > >> > >> If you are planning to loop live with Ableton Live, triggered by a > >> foot > >> pedal, you will need a lot of midi pads for your tap dancing. This is > >> because you have to address each loop on each audio channel directly. > >> So you need a dedicated midi message to start or stop each loop. One > >> way to get around this is to use the little software ControlAid. Can > >> be > >> downloaded for free at http://www.charlie-roberts.com/controlAid/. > >> This > >> software will let you manipulate Ableton Live from a FCB1010 in a way > >> similar to how you work a Repeater from the FCB. > >> > >> All the best > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> --- > >> http://www.boysen.se > >> http://www.looproom.com > >> > >> > >> On 2004-05-18, at 13.22, mick ritchie wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Hi all > >>> > >>> sorry to start here with a basic question - Ive looped for a long > >>> time > >>> with samplers computers and minidiscs but have gone back to some > >>> guitar in a duo and need to find a decent little midi footpedal to > >>> trigger AbletonLive and other software - both loops and control > >>> changes > >>> > >>> I picked up an fcb1010 for another job and found Id got an older > >>> model > >>> and couldnt get it working in time without the current eprom chip so > >>> it went back - I also thought it a bit big for carrying about and > >>> thought maybe someone out there could recommend something more > >>> compact > >>> - like half the size with a contol pedal and some switches that I > >>> could program without too much of a headache? > >>> > >>> Or if the 1010 is the most flexible beast Ive now sourced a current > >>> model in a different shop > >>> > >>> > >>> mick ritchie > >>> > >>> try out http://www.resonancefm.com for loops insanity and plaster > >>> casts fm artradio for London UK > >>> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 10:02:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4JE2KJ16098; Wed, 19 May 2004 10:02:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:02:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200405191358.i4JDwFc13927@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <013c01c43d99$58a3b1b0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> <5943ABCC-A995-11D8-89C8-000A9599BFB4@chello.se> <014e01c43da3$78684740$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> <8EA63983-A99C-11D8-94F4-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> <200405191358.i4JDwFc13927@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <057E59FC-A99D-11D8-94F4-000A9599BFB4@chello.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:01:27 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -- >> Notice on the Master channel how that new box contains a play button >> and 2 >> up and down arrows and a square with a number? >> >> There's your MIDI-mappable "Scroll up/down" and "play all", or on each >> channel "Play selected clip". >> >> Now go ahead and map that to your FCB and enjoy Live even more! ;) >> >> /Tias > > > That's cool! Have you found a way to use it for anything else than > scenes? I want to get at specific clips without triggering all clips of > the actual scene (horizontal row). > > A workaround is to map foot pedals for muting/unmuting every track. > > per ;-) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 10:15:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4JEEa817935; Wed, 19 May 2004 10:14:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:14:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017501c43dab$2ac03cc0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> From: "Tias" To: References: <013c01c43d99$58a3b1b0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> <5943ABCC-A995-11D8-89C8-000A9599BFB4@chello.se> <014e01c43da3$78684740$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> <8EA63983-A99C-11D8-94F4-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> <200405191358.i4JDwFc13927@hemlock.violacea.com> <057E59FC-A99D-11D8-94F4-000A9599BFB4@chello.se> Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:11:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hum.. > That's cool! Have you found a way to use it for anything else than > scenes? I want to get at specific clips without triggering all clips of > the actual scene (horizontal row). > > A workaround is to map foot pedals for muting/unmuting every track. I'll quote myself. ;) > >> There's your MIDI-mappable "Scroll up/down" and "play all", or on each > >> channel "Play selected clip". Note that each channel also get an extra midimappable "Play" button where the "Sends" box is.. So say that you map the 4 first pedals to channels 1-4 and then the next 2 pedals to Scroll up and down. I don't remember how many pedals you have on the FCB but this is just an example. ;) That way you can trig each sample in the channels 1-4 (but only on the currently selected row). So if you want to trigg sample on row-1 in channel-1 and then trigg sample on row-5 in channel 4, you'd have to do: 1: Pedal 1 (trigg selected sample on channel 1) 2: Pedal 6 * 4 times (scroll 4 steps down = select row 5) 3: Pedal 4 (trigg selected sample on channel 4) That would be the stepping combination with the example-setup that i said earlier. Then it's up to you to setup te trigging of the samples, if they should be Looping, Oneshot, Gate and all that stuff. ;) /Tias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 12:19:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4JGILI05462; Wed, 19 May 2004 12:18:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:18:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <017501c43dab$2ac03cc0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> References: <013c01c43d99$58a3b1b0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> <5943ABCC-A995-11D8-89C8-000A9599BFB4@chello.se> <014e01c43da3$78684740$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> <8EA63983-A99C-11D8-94F4-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> <200405191358.i4JDwFc13927@hemlock.violacea.com> <057E59FC-A99D-11D8-94F4-000A9599BFB4@chello.se> <017501c43dab$2ac03cc0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 18:16:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-05-19, at 16.11, Tias wrote: > 1: Pedal 1 (trigg selected sample on channel 1) > 2: Pedal 6 * 4 times (scroll 4 steps down = select row 5) > 3: Pedal 4 (trigg selected sample on channel 4) The problem for me here is that I use my hands most of the time for playing instruments. I also need to assign buttons to record enable tracks, and maybe also to monitor through tracks (if I want to apply track inserted effects to my live playing). I can't say I'm completely sure, but I still think the ControlAid set-up will be quicker for me. ControlAid lets you dedicate a bunch of pedals for specific tasks and when you select a different track the same button will be directed to the same task - but now on that track. Then there is a function similar to "Auto Record" in he EDP that let you step though a pre-defined number of slots to record audio clips. So without any pause you can play instruments and record either a row of clips coming after each other or a bunch of parallel loops, playing together on the same scene (but on different tracks). Tias, how about teaming up some day for a Live jam session? ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 12:22:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4JGLFq05871; Wed, 19 May 2004 12:21:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:21:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Subject: EDP Log-jam --- Place your EDP orders here, now. Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:20:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [192.168.1.1] at Wed, 19 May 2004 11:20:19 -0500 Message-Id: <20040519162019.NUWN3317.out006.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4JGKK205756 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK – I’M SICK OF THIS EDP WHINING. I just lost a long e-mail outlining a process to nudge fate along. So, I’ll probably outline it again -- a lot shorter this time around… We did this before, we can do this again. There are no guarantees and it will take a few months, but it can make a difference. In the meantime, could someone from the British company currently possessing the 300+ EDP’s AND who is authorized to allow their release please contact me? Here’s what I propose. 1) Find an individual at Gibson who will benefit personally and financially from EDP’s shipping 2) Collate a list of EDP orders from buyers worldwide 3) Find a retailer who can handle 300 EDP orders worldwide 1) Find someone a Gibson who will benefit from EDP’s shipping Until we find someone at Gibson who personally benefits from the sale of 300 EDP’s, we have no champion on our side. The people who benefit most from sales of Gibson products are Gibson’s Sales Directors (not marketing and not finance). We need to talk a Director of Sales / Distribution with a territory and with a sales quota who can benefit from selling 300 EDP’s. If we can create a scenario where all 300 units are shipped through this person’s territory, then these sales apply to that person’s quota. Hopefully they can get a bonus based on $200,000 of EDP’s. As you can see this is not a lot of money. So we need to make this easy for someone. Basically, we need to give him/her the orders and a super-simple process to fulfill the orders. 2) Collate a list of EDP orders from buyers worldwide We need a consolidated list of orders to show the guaranteed sales potential. As a group, with 300 orders in hand we have an impact. I’ve done this before. I’ll do it again. So, I’ll volunteer to collate EDP orders. This list will be our leverage. Where-ever you are in the world, if you want to buy an EDP, please send me an e-mail with the following information: FirstName: LastName: Telephone: E-MAIL: City: Province/State: Country: Number of EDP’s you want to buy (assume an $800 price): PLEASE SEND ME INFORMATION OFF-LIST ONLY!! I will ONLY provide this list to two people: 1) The designated Gibson VP/Director of Sales who we negotiate with; 2) The designated Retailer who will be targeted to handle all the EDP orders we create. If anyone doubts my ability to safeguard your personal information, please get in touch with beneficiaries of the last “EDP Group Buy” I facilitated. If you already have orders with other retailers, please place your order again with me, here, now. Assume this will be the last ever EDP run, and that it this works no other retailers will ever receive their requested units. This actually might be closer to the truth than I would like to realize. I will provide periodic updates on status. When I have 100 orders, we have a little clout. With 300 orders we’re in better shape as this will basically cover all the 300 units currently languishing in a UK warehouse. 3) Find a retailer who can handle 300 order Does anyone remember the name of the Californian retailer through whom who we channeled all orders last time? They had a process that seemed to satisfy everyone before. No need to reinvent the wheel. Why just one retailer? Simple: 1) So we impact the sales quota of our Gibson Sales & Retail Champion. 2) To simplify accounting and shipping information for Gibson and the Mystery UK Owner of 300+ EDP’s. So, to summarize: 1) We need to find a Gibson Director of Sales & Distribution who will act as a “Champion” and who will benefit from selling 300 EDP units through his/her territory. 2) I will collate a list of buyers worldwide. I will keep all information secure, and share only with the designated retailer and the VP at Gibson we work through. 3) We need a single retailer who can handle world-wide shipments. Does anyone remember the Cali retailer we used last time? Don’t expect this to work overnight. Last time around this took a few months to get going. But I’m lead to believe it made an impact, and I know people did received EDP’s via this “group buy” process. I bought three, myself. AGAIN: Could someone from the British company currently possessing the 300+ EDP’s AND who is authorized to allow their release please contact me? Without your direct contact, we will have no authority to move. You probably have questions. I need to answer them. If you want to buy an EDP and you’re feeling iffy about my credentials on doing this, please contact Kim. He will remember this process from last time around. If you have any questions about this process, please contact me directly and under separate cover. But, before you contact me, please could I ask that you re-read this email? :-) OK. I must be crazy to get involved, but I know doing this was helpful last time around. It’s a loop I know. :-) David Kirkdorffer > > From: "Krispen Hartung" > Date: 2004/05/19 Wed AM 02:25:33 GMT > To: > Subject: RE: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? > > Agreed. Customer satisfaction and loyalty, two traits that distinguish > the most successful and well respected companies in the world, are > obviously not in Gibson's charter and overall business plan. The sad > thing is that the customer need is being delivered to them on a silver > platter, but they are playing politics. Gibson has some of us at a > disadvantage for the time being, because they lack a viable competitor > that can provide an alternative product with a similar feature set. > However, this arrangement will only endure so long before customers > settle with an alternative product, or another manufacture comes out > with something new and comparable, after which EDP will die in the > marketplace. Gibson can cry "middleman" all they want, but the bottom > line is that their reputation is on the line. This is flat out > marketing 101 poor business practice. > > I would encourage everyone to express their concerns using Gibson's web > form: http://www.gibson.com/info/mailfeeder/indextest.html > > Paste the following: > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=EDP > %3Bbackorder&errors=0&maxfiles=50&maxlines=10&.cgifields=partial&.cgifie > lds=restricttofiles&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=case&.cgifields=filel > ist > > (search string on looper's delight for "EDP;backorder" > > > K- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? > > > I do hope that Kim or Matthias or Andy or someone is getting these kinds > of comments back to the geniuses at Gibson? There's something > fundamentally flawed in what's going on with the EDP (my opinion, > obviously). It seems like really bad business, or more likely, those > typical disconnected, illogical, profit-draining decisions that > companies start to make when they are confused about their strategy with > a particular product. > > Read it, boys. If you're backing out of the product, then get the hell > out and give someone a shot. If not, get off of your butts, pay for the > machines, and then SELL THEM TO PEOPLE. > > Unreal. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paolo Valladolid" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? > > > > I hope so. Better yet, somebody reproduces the EDP > > features in a different unit (not made by Gibson). > > > > I wanted to order one, but none of the stores had any > > in stock. Then I found out about the Gibson warehouse > > mess. > > > > So I got an Emu XL-7 instead and put down a deposit on > > the EH16 reissue. > > > > Paolo > > > > --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > ----> Surely it is only a matter of time before the > > > EDP comes back to > > > market. > > > Gary > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Paolo Valladolid > > > > > > Gibson allowing 300+ EDPS to rot in a warehouse > > > because they took forever to > > > pay for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 12:59:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4JGxGs11828; Wed, 19 May 2004 12:59:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:59:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: EDP Log-jam --- Place your EDP orders here, now. Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:57:20 -0600 Message-ID: <000201c43dc2$598821a0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040519162019.NUWN3317.out006.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is an admirable idea, but what about all of who already have orders placed on back-order. I'm not about to cancel my order. Also, sales organizations vary in structure, aligned by account, area, sub-region, etc. It would be highly unlikely that one sales director would own sales for one product...more likely that there are directors aligned by vertical or sub-region. Rather than a sales director, perhaps you could try to locate the account manager, who also carries quota. It's hard to say without getting inside of the company. Sales motions are typically hard to change. Kris -----Original Message----- From: vze2ncsr@verizon.net [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:20 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Log-jam --- Place your EDP orders here, now. OK - I'M SICK OF THIS EDP WHINING. I just lost a long e-mail outlining a process to nudge fate along. So, I'll probably outline it again -- a lot shorter this time around. We did this before, we can do this again. There are no guarantees and it will take a few months, but it can make a difference. In the meantime, could someone from the British company currently possessing the 300+ EDP's AND who is authorized to allow their release please contact me? Here's what I propose. 1) Find an individual at Gibson who will benefit personally and financially from EDP's shipping 2) Collate a list of EDP orders from buyers worldwide 3) Find a retailer who can handle 300 EDP orders worldwide 1) Find someone a Gibson who will benefit from EDP's shipping Until we find someone at Gibson who personally benefits from the sale of 300 EDP's, we have no champion on our side. The people who benefit most from sales of Gibson products are Gibson's Sales Directors (not marketing and not finance). We need to talk a Director of Sales / Distribution with a territory and with a sales quota who can benefit from selling 300 EDP's. If we can create a scenario where all 300 units are shipped through this person's territory, then these sales apply to that person's quota. Hopefully they can get a bonus based on $200,000 of EDP's. As you can see this is not a lot of money. So we need to make this easy for someone. Basically, we need to give him/her the orders and a super-simple process to fulfill the orders. 2) Collate a list of EDP orders from buyers worldwide We need a consolidated list of orders to show the guaranteed sales potential. As a group, with 300 orders in hand we have an impact. I've done this before. I'll do it again. So, I'll volunteer to collate EDP orders. This list will be our leverage. Where-ever you are in the world, if you want to buy an EDP, please send me an e-mail with the following information: FirstName: LastName: Telephone: E-MAIL: City: Province/State: Country: Number of EDP's you want to buy (assume an $800 price): PLEASE SEND ME INFORMATION OFF-LIST ONLY!! I will ONLY provide this list to two people: 1) The designated Gibson VP/Director of Sales who we negotiate with; 2) The designated Retailer who will be targeted to handle all the EDP orders we create. If anyone doubts my ability to safeguard your personal information, please get in touch with beneficiaries of the last "EDP Group Buy" I facilitated. If you already have orders with other retailers, please place your order again with me, here, now. Assume this will be the last ever EDP run, and that it this works no other retailers will ever receive their requested units. This actually might be closer to the truth than I would like to realize. I will provide periodic updates on status. When I have 100 orders, we have a little clout. With 300 orders we're in better shape as this will basically cover all the 300 units currently languishing in a UK warehouse. 3) Find a retailer who can handle 300 order Does anyone remember the name of the Californian retailer through whom who we channeled all orders last time? They had a process that seemed to satisfy everyone before. No need to reinvent the wheel. Why just one retailer? Simple: 1) So we impact the sales quota of our Gibson Sales & Retail Champion. 2) To simplify accounting and shipping information for Gibson and the Mystery UK Owner of 300+ EDP's. So, to summarize: 1) We need to find a Gibson Director of Sales & Distribution who will act as a "Champion" and who will benefit from selling 300 EDP units through his/her territory. 2) I will collate a list of buyers worldwide. I will keep all information secure, and share only with the designated retailer and the VP at Gibson we work through. 3) We need a single retailer who can handle world-wide shipments. Does anyone remember the Cali retailer we used last time? Don't expect this to work overnight. Last time around this took a few months to get going. But I'm lead to believe it made an impact, and I know people did received EDP's via this "group buy" process. I bought three, myself. AGAIN: Could someone from the British company currently possessing the 300+ EDP's AND who is authorized to allow their release please contact me? Without your direct contact, we will have no authority to move. You probably have questions. I need to answer them. If you want to buy an EDP and you're feeling iffy about my credentials on doing this, please contact Kim. He will remember this process from last time around. If you have any questions about this process, please contact me directly and under separate cover. But, before you contact me, please could I ask that you re-read this email? :-) OK. I must be crazy to get involved, but I know doing this was helpful last time around. It's a loop I know. :-) David Kirkdorffer > > From: "Krispen Hartung" > Date: 2004/05/19 Wed AM 02:25:33 GMT > To: > Subject: RE: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? > > Agreed. Customer satisfaction and loyalty, two traits that > distinguish the most successful and well respected companies in the > world, are obviously not in Gibson's charter and overall business > plan. The sad thing is that the customer need is being delivered to them on a silver > platter, but they are playing politics. Gibson has some of us at a > disadvantage for the time being, because they lack a viable competitor > that can provide an alternative product with a similar feature set. > However, this arrangement will only endure so long before customers > settle with an alternative product, or another manufacture comes out > with something new and comparable, after which EDP will die in the > marketplace. Gibson can cry "middleman" all they want, but the bottom > line is that their reputation is on the line. This is flat out > marketing 101 poor business practice. > > I would encourage everyone to express their concerns using Gibson's > web > form: http://www.gibson.com/info/mailfeeder/indextest.html > > Paste the following: > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=E > DP > %3Bbackorder&errors=0&maxfiles=50&maxlines=10&.cgifields=partial&.cgifie > lds=restricttofiles&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=case&.cgifields=filel > ist > > (search string on looper's delight for "EDP;backorder" > > > K- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? > > > I do hope that Kim or Matthias or Andy or someone is getting these > kinds of comments back to the geniuses at Gibson? There's something > fundamentally flawed in what's going on with the EDP (my opinion, > obviously). It seems like really bad business, or more likely, those > typical disconnected, illogical, profit-draining decisions that > companies start to make when they are confused about their strategy > with a particular product. > > Read it, boys. If you're backing out of the product, then get the > hell out and give someone a shot. If not, get off of your butts, pay > for the machines, and then SELL THEM TO PEOPLE. > > Unreal. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paolo Valladolid" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? > > > > I hope so. Better yet, somebody reproduces the EDP features in a > > different unit (not made by Gibson). > > > > I wanted to order one, but none of the stores had any > > in stock. Then I found out about the Gibson warehouse mess. > > > > So I got an Emu XL-7 instead and put down a deposit on > > the EH16 reissue. > > > > Paolo > > > > --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > ----> Surely it is only a matter of time before the > > > EDP comes back to > > > market. > > > Gary > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Paolo Valladolid > > > > > > Gibson allowing 300+ EDPS to rot in a warehouse > > > because they took forever to > > > pay for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 13:02:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4JH1q012582; Wed, 19 May 2004 13:01:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:01:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c43dc3$633b6350$c8e7d0d9@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <013c01c43d99$58a3b1b0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> <5943ABCC-A995-11D8-89C8-000A9599BFB4@chello.se> <014e01c43da3$78684740$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> <8EA63983-A99C-11D8-94F4-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> <200405191358.i4JDwFc13927@hemlock.violacea.com> <057E59FC-A99D-11D8-94F4-000A9599BFB4@chello.se> <017501c43dab$2ac03cc0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 19:04:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > number of slots to record audio clips. So without any pause you can > play instruments and record either a row of clips coming after each > other or a bunch of parallel loops, playing together on the same scene > (but on different tracks). Indeed, the only "solution" i can think of is to always have the tracks in record-mode because when a slot is occupied it will play the sample and not record over it. And then for mute and play i guess you could have the same pedal assigned to mute, play etc but with different midi-channels. But indeed there's some things missing. A scripting-tool / command-sequence tool in Ableton would be a very welcome attribute for the next version. ;) > Tias, how about teaming up some day for a Live jam session? ;-) It's about time you ask! ;) Would be great to do a loopingsession soon, i've missed that. Then i can show you how far i've come with my LiveLooper VST-plugin also. Btw, note to everyone else reading this. I'm not 100% done for a first public Beta, there's still some issues about loop-multiply and midi-control in other hosts than Ableton Live that has to be solved, but will have the beta for both PC and MAC so noone will be left out. =) /Tias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 14:26:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4JIOD524893; Wed, 19 May 2004 14:24:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:24:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP Log-jam --- Place your EDP orders here, now. Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 18:58:07 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c43dca$d7dab7e0$0300000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C43DD3.399F1FE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <000201c43dc2$598821a0$6501a8c0@khartung> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2zYxdB.A.dCG.KY6qAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C43DD3.399F1FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought I'd better say something: I am the official representative for the manufacturers of the EDP and answer only to the man in charge. We are now very close to reaching an amicable agreement with the decision makers at Gibson and are communicating with them daily. We hope to release all EDP stock very soon. We are very sorry for this whole sorry mess and I can assure everyone that it is our top priority to solve it. It has caused us immeasurable grief and no one wants a resolution more than we do. It is in everybody's interest that both parties are happy with the solution as this will directly effect future development and production of the Echoplex. Andy Ewen, EDP Production Manager, Straight Edge Mfg. Ltd. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C43DD3.399F1FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thought I'd better say something:

 

I am the official representative for the manufacturers of the = EDP and answer only to the man in charge.

 

We are now very close to reaching an amicable agreement with the decision makers at Gibson and are communicating with them daily. We hope = to release all EDP stock very soon.

 

We are very sorry for this whole sorry mess and I can assure = everyone that it is our top priority to solve it. It has caused us immeasurable = grief and no one wants a resolution more than we = do.

 

It is in everybody’s interest that both parties are happy = with the solution as this will directly effect future development and production of the Echoplex.

 

Andy = Ewen,

EDP Production Manager,

Straight Edge Mfg. Ltd.

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C43DD3.399F1FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 14:49:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4JImmZ28317; Wed, 19 May 2004 14:48:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:48:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1084992431.40ababafdd02f@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:47:11 -0700 From: dave@unpronounceable.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: EDP Log-jam --- Place your EDP orders here, now. References: <000601c43dca$d7dab7e0$0300000a@p4> In-Reply-To: <000601c43dca$d7dab7e0$0300000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > We are now very close to reaching an amicable agreement with the > decision makers at Gibson and are communicating with them daily. We hope > to release all EDP stock very soon. Thanks for the info. I paid for my Echoplex 4 months ago but had to exchange it because it was damaged (it was supposed to be a "scratch and dent" item but it was in worse shape than I felt was acceptable for the money). Therefore, I've been effectively paying interest on something I do not have in my possesion. At this point, I will probably never buy a Gibson product ever again. For them to continually dangle ship dates in front of me only to push them back at the last minute was the most aggravating experience I've ever had with any company. I've passed up about a dozen Echoplexes on eBay in the time that I've been waiting for mine. I think that Gibson owes us all a written apology (a press release would be fine) and explanation for this situation. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 16:37:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4JKbDQ13734; Wed, 19 May 2004 16:37:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:37:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:35:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2004 20:35:16.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB5B8D80:01C43DE0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Then i can show you how far i've come with my LiveLooper >VST-plugin also. > >Btw, note to everyone else reading this. I'm not 100% done for a first >public Beta, there's still some issues about loop-multiply and midi-control >in other hosts than Ableton Live that has to be solved, but will have the >beta for both PC and MAC so noone will be left out. =) Can I get an A-MEN my brothers. I can't wait Tias. I'm drooling..... JS _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 19 18:27:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4JMQTE00417; Wed, 19 May 2004 18:26:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 18:26:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.62.46.181] X-Originating-Email: [jarcher90@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jarcher90@hotmail.com From: "Jeff Archer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Delta Lab "Effectron III" Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:25:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2004 22:25:00.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FA9BEC0:01C43DF0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. I posted a message a couple days ago about the Delta Lab "Super Timeline" that I own. I found out that it is the same unit as the "Effectron III". I am wondering if anyone can help me out in finding an owner's manual for it. I am not so interested in schematics but I need to find out about the "Repeat" input on the back of the unit and if i can use a footswitch inserted in this jack to loop and layer sounds. Any info would be greatly appreiciated. Thanks, Jeff Archer _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 00:09:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4K49V521490; Thu, 20 May 2004 00:09:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 00:09:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:58:55 -0700 To: lageek@shoko.calarts.edu, emusic@candiru.com, lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com, microsound@hyperreal.org, locec-vax2.concordia.ca@zvonar.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Theatre-sound , kfor@anart.no, pimatalk@yahoogroups.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: LAST CALL !! - Laptop music workshop with Neil Rolnick in LA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1127096380==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <0ZjD_C.A.BOF.H9CrAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1127096380==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Just 10 days remain until the day-long workshop at California State University Los Angeles with composer/laptopist Neil Rolnick, sponsored by American Composers Forum of Los Angeles. KICKSTART MUSIC-MAKING ON YOUR LAPTOP ! WHEN: Saturday, May 29 2004, 10AM to 5PM WHERE: California State University, Los Angeles WHO: Neil Rolnick, with the assistance of CSULA Prof. John Kennedy and acf/LA technologist Richard Zvonar WHAT: Using downloaded demo software (e.g Reason, Live!, Reaktor) or your own licensed software on your personal laptop, we go through setting up, playing live, and recording to disk. Work alone or in impromptu ensembles; come away with experience and enough knowledge to keep working (and playing) on your own. Up to 20 participants. Participants may provide their own laptops (Mac or PC) or they may use one of the Macintosh G5 systems in the Cal State computer music lab. Space is limited, so reserve your space today! FEES (PAYMENT IN ADVANCE ONLY!): $20 ACF members and students $35 Others Payment can be made via http://www.PayPal.com to: tekWorX@composers.la or by check to: American Composers Forum of Los Angeles PO Box 970 Whittier, CA 90608-0970 ** Specifics of the workshop will be based on your individual needs, so the sooner you get in touch the more opportunity you'll have to consult with Neil Rolnick about your system and your goals.** -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1127096380==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" LAST CALL !! - Laptop music workshop with Neil Rolnick in
Just 10 days remain until the day-long workshop at California State University Los Angeles with composer/laptopist Neil Rolnick, sponsored by American Composers Forum of Los Angeles.

KICKSTART MUSIC-MAKING ON YOUR LAPTOP !

WHEN:     Saturday, May 29 2004, 10AM to 5PM

WHERE:    California State University, Los Angeles

WHO:      Neil Rolnick, with the assistance of CSULA Prof. John Kennedy
  and acf/LA technologist Richard Zvonar

WHAT:
Using downloaded demo software (e.g Reason, Live!, Reaktor) or your own licensed software on your personal laptop, we go through setting up, playing live, and recording to disk.  Work alone or in impromptu ensembles; come away with experience and enough knowledge to keep working (and playing) on your own.   Up to 20 participants.   Participants may provide their own laptops (Mac or PC) or they may use one of the Macintosh G5 systems in the Cal State computer music lab. Space is limited, so reserve your space today!

FEES (PAYMENT IN ADVANCE ONLY!):
        $20     ACF members and students
        $35     Others

Payment can be made via http://www.PayPal.com to:
tekWorX@composers.la

or by check to:
American Composers Forum of Los Angeles
PO Box 970
Whittier, CA 90608-0970


** Specifics of the workshop will be based on your individual needs, so the sooner you get in touch the more opportunity you'll have to consult with Neil Rolnick about your system and your goals.**

--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1127096380==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 08:30:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KCS1B30368; Thu, 20 May 2004 08:28:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 08:28:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 08:27:18 -0400 From: ENAT21213@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: something about vampires and sluts in philly this fri. ..... ny city this saturday! MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0BDFB585.25B9318B.020C5A11@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 24.31.210.66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <39hCyC.A.MZH.tQKrAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com be looping with my edp in the northeast at::::::: club 218 in Philadelphia this fri. around 11pm arlenes grocery in ny sat round 12am.......come if you can. sounds and stuff at: somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 10:05:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KE4IZ15739; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:04:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:04:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:06:31 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Boss DD-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000a01c43e73$a93fac20$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ZJF2w9x2XlG17Of8anBbug)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ZJF2w9x2XlG17Of8anBbug) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey Gang! I spent a half-hour or more yesterday trying to get a complete picture of what the DD-20 does, and how, and etc., and found nothing (including no write-up on the LD tools page - hint! hint!). Of course Boss does not post a pdf file of the owner's manual, which would answer all my questions. Does anyone know if a manual is buried somewherer out on the web? Or does someone have a pdf (or similar) copy of the manual? Or *something?* I believe Eric W. (suitandtieguy) has mentioned being able to create one loop/echo of, say, 7 seconds, then create a second loop/echo of 10 seconds and have them both run at once. Is this so? I've a load of other questions about this little box as well: does it have an infinite feedback setting? Does it have a "freeze" setting? When you change settings on the fly, how does it glitch? What exactly are the 11 different types of delay? etc. etc. etc. Inquiring desert dogs want to know! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net --Boundary_(ID_ZJF2w9x2XlG17Of8anBbug) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hey Gang!
    I spent a half-hour or more yesterday trying to get a complete picture of what the DD-20 does, and how, and etc., and found nothing (including no write-up on the LD tools page - hint! hint!). Of course Boss does not post a pdf file of the owner's manual, which would answer all my questions. Does anyone know if a manual is buried somewherer out on the web? Or does someone have a pdf (or similar) copy of the manual? Or *something?*
    I believe Eric W. (suitandtieguy) has mentioned being able to create one loop/echo of, say, 7 seconds, then create a second loop/echo of 10 seconds and have them both run at once. Is this so? I've a load of other questions about this little box as well: does it have an infinite feedback setting? Does it have a "freeze" setting? When you change settings on the fly, how does it glitch? What exactly are the 11 different types of delay? etc. etc. etc.  
    Inquiring desert dogs want to know!
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net 
--Boundary_(ID_ZJF2w9x2XlG17Of8anBbug)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 10:20:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KEJPh17850; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:19:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:19:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: something about vampires and sluts in philly this fri. ..... ny city this saturday! Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 07:18:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c43e75$5e3d7c00$6501a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0BDFB585.25B9318B.020C5A11@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brian, Listened to your stuff on your website. Cool stuff! On the west coast here so not much chance of seeing you, but have a great show. Gotta get me one of those t-shirts! Does the model come with it? Hehe. Best regards, Rich www.asopaque.com -----Original Message----- From: ENAT21213@aol.com [mailto:ENAT21213@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 5:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: something about vampires and sluts in philly this fri. ..... ny city this saturday! be looping with my edp in the northeast at::::::: club 218 in Philadelphia this fri. around 11pm arlenes grocery in ny sat round 12am.......come if you can. sounds and stuff at: somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 10:24:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KEMxT18305; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:22:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:22:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Boss DD-20 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 07:22:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcQ+dCrlj2g5rwM2S+WW2uGZeqW1zQAASHKQ In-Reply-To: <000a01c43e73$a93fac20$9715be18@oemcomputer> Message-Id: <20040520142238.WXTW23140.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I spent a few minutes with the Boss DD-20 a few months back before I acquired my RC-20 and DL4--when you change the delay time, it schizzes out. I didn't try the trick Eric speaks of--but as I understand it you can create a loop, then change to another loop/echo setting and retain that audio while adding to it in the setting. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 10:52:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KEpma22413; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:51:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:51:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGcgAmJ0SX8ttQCNalhu/cH6CoW76iRq1ZcMqspgenTsOg== X-Originating-IP: [63.191.137.79] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:49:48 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boss DD-20 X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20040520.074959.17416.29542@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2700834356 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric's trick should work great. The DD-20 comes with 4 memory slots and a current setup slot. They can be toggled through with the right foot pedal. It can be setup to switch between only two of the slots, one being the current and one a memory slot. Set the current slot to sound on sound which has infinite repeats and the other memory slot could be set at 0 to 23 second delay with the feedback set at 100%. This would allow for two loops to run and different lengths. I haven't had the time to test this completely as I leave all 5 slots open but I will try this later. I know when you switch from the current slot to the 1st memory slot the loop continues but when you switch to the 2cd memory slot the loop stops. Maybe Eric could answer the question of whether the 1st loop stops after switching from the memory slot back to the current setup slot. I really need to try this as I also have the Rc-20 on my pedal board and with all three running loops I may come up with some new direction! Looping always seems to give me new inspiration! Love to all! Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 11:50:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KFnBR01130; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:49:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:49:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <112.32c3d22b.2dde2d52@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:48:34 EDT Subject: Re: Boss DD-20/RC-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4KFml201065 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I mentioned in a post sometime a few weeks ago the fact that my Line 6 DL4 had died and I'd gone ahead and gotten myself a Boss DD-20 to replace it. So far, I've found the manual fairy cryptic. Maybe my copy is a misprint or something, because after the initial first few pages of disclaimers (and basic stuff about inserting batteries and plugging things into it) it seems to jump right to the middle of operating it and I get a bit lost. So, the manual for me has not been all that helpful. Oh well . . . Yesterday I bought an RC-20. I haven't checked out the manual on that yet but I'll be using the two pedals this weekend on my first gig out in a while without my usual half ton of gear. My setup will just be guitar, amp and a few pedals for the first time in many, many many years. It's like going out naked. No guitarsynth, no MIDI, no EDPs, no Vortexes, no Moogerfooger, AirSynth, SP-303 . . . no nutin' (comparatively speaking). And, since it's just the one amp, I'll be performing in mono for the first time in ages too. Stan Card would be proud. However, since it's an art gallery gig I can't be that loud (heheh). Sorry Stan! Anywho . . . I hope this thread continues 'cause I too have found very little help on the web about the DD-20 -- especially in regards to operating it in something other than the basic "sound on sound" (SOS) mode. This thing about multiple loops that Eric wrote about the other day has me intrigued. I wanna delve deeper and make the most of this little box in my new "HO-scale" setup. The DL4 was a lot of fun . . . with some weird and wacky capabilities . . . but it had reliability issues (for me) and the sound quality was less than stellar (even in "bypass" mode). One really great thing about these Boss pedals is the squeaky-clean audio. What goes in seems to come out exactly the same -- and there seems to be a lot of "headroom" too. It doesn't clip or crap-out on a strong pre-amped signal. I like 'em a lot . . . so far. But, I need to learn more. More info would be very helpful. Anybody who wants to pipe in with some "tips 'n' tricks for the DD-20 (or the RC-20, for that matter) will definitely have MY gratitude. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 12:04:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KG3uc04743; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:03:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c43cdb$b6ce3c10$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> From: "Tias" To: References: Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:26:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2004 13:26:24.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[B71AFC80:01C43CDB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not just set one pedal to trigg selected sample on each channel in Ableton and then 2 pedals to controll scroll select up and down. That should give room for pretty nifty foot-work on the FCB.. ;) /Tias ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:58 PM Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al > Yes, the FCB is quite big, but there's nothing like it in the same > price range. > > If you are planning to loop live with Ableton Live, triggered by a foot > pedal, you will need a lot of midi pads for your tap dancing. This is > because you have to address each loop on each audio channel directly. > So you need a dedicated midi message to start or stop each loop. One > way to get around this is to use the little software ControlAid. Can be > downloaded for free at http://www.charlie-roberts.com/controlAid/. This > software will let you manipulate Ableton Live from a FCB1010 in a way > similar to how you work a Repeater from the FCB. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > > On 2004-05-18, at 13.22, mick ritchie wrote: > > > > > Hi all > > > > sorry to start here with a basic question - Ive looped for a long time > > with samplers computers and minidiscs but have gone back to some > > guitar in a duo and need to find a decent little midi footpedal to > > trigger AbletonLive and other software - both loops and control > > changes > > > > I picked up an fcb1010 for another job and found Id got an older model > > and couldnt get it working in time without the current eprom chip so > > it went back - I also thought it a bit big for carrying about and > > thought maybe someone out there could recommend something more compact > > - like half the size with a contol pedal and some switches that I > > could program without too much of a headache? > > > > Or if the 1010 is the most flexible beast Ive now sourced a current > > model in a different shop > > > > > > mick ritchie > > > > try out http://www.resonancefm.com for loops insanity and plaster > > casts fm artradio for London UK > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 12:54:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KGqr512502; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:52:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:52:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c43e8a$f506f7a0$56995142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <112.32c3d22b.2dde2d52@aol.com> Subject: Re: Boss DD-20/RC-20 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:53:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ted... I too have had 2 DL4's die on me after pounding them with glissing high-regen delay-time sweeps... just about my favorite thing to do with delays besides looping. Anyway, I'm now intrigued by the DD-20 thread and maybe will purchase one just for kicks. I've always found Boss pedals to sound good and be very reliable. No more Line 6 for me after 2 failures. I used to always have a packed 10sp rack and midi and after a number of years caved in and went small. I spent the last 4-5 years using just a pedalboard and amp and really felt liberated. I also found that *most* of my looping tricks can still be steathily accomplished with a couple simple loopers, although there's nothing quite like insert and replace on the edp. I've now re-introduced my Boss GT-5 back into my setup, and dumped my pedal board. I now have the GT-5, a wah, fuzz or two and experssion pedal for the GT-5, and my Lovetone flanger as well as the edp in the fx loop. The GT-5 is also an interesting 2 sec looper given it's extreme control over cc parameters, all attachable to the exped. After years of using it, I'm really happy with my direct-inject tone as well. Finally, I can take either mono out to an amp, or stereo out to a pa and get great sound in either instance. Small and versatile. Cheers, -Miko "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 8:48 AM Subject: Re: Boss DD-20/RC-20 > Hi all, > > I mentioned in a post sometime a few weeks ago the > fact that my Line 6 DL4 had died and I'd gone ahead > and gotten myself a Boss DD-20 to replace it. So far, > I've found the manual fairy cryptic. Maybe my copy is > a misprint or something, because after the initial first > few pages of disclaimers (and basic stuff about inserting > batteries and plugging things into it) it seems to jump > right to the middle of operating it and I get a bit lost. > So, the manual for me has not been all that helpful. > > Oh well . . . > > Yesterday I bought an RC-20. I haven't checked out > the manual on that yet but I'll be using the two pedals > this weekend on my first gig out in a while without > my usual half ton of gear. My setup will just be guitar, > amp and a few pedals for the first time in many, many > many years. It's like going out naked. No guitarsynth, > no MIDI, no EDPs, no Vortexes, no Moogerfooger, AirSynth, > SP-303 . . . no nutin' (comparatively speaking). > > And, since it's just the one amp, I'll be performing in > mono for the first time in ages too. Stan Card would > be proud. However, since it's an art gallery gig I can't > be that loud (heheh). Sorry Stan! > > Anywho . . . > > I hope this thread continues 'cause I too have found > very little help on the web about the DD-20 -- especially > in regards to operating it in something other than the > basic "sound on sound" (SOS) mode. This thing about > multiple loops that Eric wrote about the other day > has me intrigued. I wanna delve deeper and make > the most of this little box in my new "HO-scale" setup. > > The DL4 was a lot of fun . . . with some weird and wacky > capabilities . . . but it had reliability issues (for me) and > the sound quality was less than stellar (even in "bypass" > mode). One really great thing about these Boss pedals > is the squeaky-clean audio. What goes in seems to come > out exactly the same -- and there seems to be a lot of > "headroom" too. It doesn't clip or crap-out on a strong > pre-amped signal. I like 'em a lot . . . so far. But, I need > to learn more. More info would be very helpful. > > Anybody who wants to pipe in with some "tips 'n' tricks > for the DD-20 (or the RC-20, for that matter) will definitely > have MY gratitude. > > Best, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 14:17:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KIFkj29805; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:25:25 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam: Subscape Annex, RTP, NC, USA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be playing Chapman Stick and theremin with the ambient/industrial looping soundscape trio Subscape Annex this Sunday and next Thursday in the Raleigh area of North Carolina. Say hello if you make either show, please. Details below. obLoop: I most often use an Akai Headrush and a Boss RC-20 for looping, frequently use a Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky, and rarely take my Repeater out to play (nothing wrong with it, it's just in a rack at home that I don't dismount it from often). 23 May 2004 (Sunday) This Sunday afternoon Subscape Annex plays in support of Kirk Adam's modern abstracts art show reception at the Garner Historic Auditorium, located at 742 W. Garner Road. The reception is from 2pm to 5pm. Kirk Adam: http://www.kirkadam.com/ 27 May 2004 (Thursday) Next week, Subscape Annex plays at Bickett Gallery in Raleigh as part of 919noisenight#2. The show begins at 9pm. $4.00 general admission, $3.00 if a member of the 919noise maillist. Other performers for the evening, and their websites: Clang Quartet http://www.silbermedia.com/clangquartet/ Feralcatscan http://feralcatscan.com/ Khate http://khate.org/ Bickett Gallery location and directions: http://www.bickettgallery.com/08contact.html thanks, Steve, Anthony and Rob Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 14:37:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KIasO00553; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:36:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:36:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:34:38 -0600 Message-Id: <200405201834.i4KIYco16953@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Hopefully not futiley stupid question X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.29.171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, after a long hiatus, I had to come back to the list. And what do I bring with me, another question. I recently bought a Lexicon MRC (midi controller) without a power supply and this is the rub. Seems this unit needs a 7.5VAC 1Amp transformer and I can't find this anywhere (even Mouser electronics was a no go). Does anyone have any idea on where I could find an adapter for this (Lexicon does not have them any longer)? Any help or tips on how to find or make a power supply for this would be greatly appreciated. Once I get it powered up, it looks to be an interesting midi controller with four sliders for real time parameter control among other things. I'm looking forward to using it with the LXP1 and 5 it came with (if I can find some power for it). Thanks Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 15:01:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KJ06R05613; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:00:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:00:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015b01c43e9d$3c4e5290$c8e7d0d9@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <008f01c43cdb$b6ce3c10$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 21:04:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow replying myself here.. But uhm, what a strange doublepost bug. /Tias ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tias" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:26 PM Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al > Why not just set one pedal to trigg selected sample on each channel in > Ableton and then 2 pedals to controll scroll select up and down. > > That should give room for pretty nifty foot-work on the FCB.. ;) > > /Tias > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al > > > > Yes, the FCB is quite big, but there's nothing like it in the same > > price range. > > > > If you are planning to loop live with Ableton Live, triggered by a foot > > pedal, you will need a lot of midi pads for your tap dancing. This is > > because you have to address each loop on each audio channel directly. > > So you need a dedicated midi message to start or stop each loop. One > > way to get around this is to use the little software ControlAid. Can be > > downloaded for free at http://www.charlie-roberts.com/controlAid/. This > > software will let you manipulate Ableton Live from a FCB1010 in a way > > similar to how you work a Repeater from the FCB. > > > > All the best > > > > Per Boysen > > --- > > http://www.boysen.se > > http://www.looproom.com > > > > > > On 2004-05-18, at 13.22, mick ritchie wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > sorry to start here with a basic question - Ive looped for a long time > > > with samplers computers and minidiscs but have gone back to some > > > guitar in a duo and need to find a decent little midi footpedal to > > > trigger AbletonLive and other software - both loops and control > > > changes > > > > > > I picked up an fcb1010 for another job and found Id got an older model > > > and couldnt get it working in time without the current eprom chip so > > > it went back - I also thought it a bit big for carrying about and > > > thought maybe someone out there could recommend something more compact > > > - like half the size with a contol pedal and some switches that I > > > could program without too much of a headache? > > > > > > Or if the 1010 is the most flexible beast Ive now sourced a current > > > model in a different shop > > > > > > > > > mick ritchie > > > > > > try out http://www.resonancefm.com for loops insanity and plaster > > > casts fm artradio for London UK > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 15:33:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KJWAp12703; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:32:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:32:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:30:25 -0400 From: brian carabee Subject: Re: Hopefully not futiley stupid question To: kevin@minds-eye.org, Loop Message-id: <001801c43ea0$e80b2330$6801a8c0@ws1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200405201834.i4KIYco16953@minds-eye.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin, I would try this one at radio Shack. It will provide several different voltages, including 6V & 9V at 1000 ma (which is 1 amp). 6 volts will almost certainly work, even though the unit technically calls for 7.5. Some people dare to 9 volts in an application like yours, and it usually works, but there is always an overvoltage risk, though small. Here's a link. Link might not be clickable if it wraps: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CT LG%5F009%5F001%5F001%5F002&product%5Fid=273%2D1680 Hope that helps, Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: Hopefully not futiley stupid question > Well, after a long hiatus, I had to come back to the list. And what do > I bring with me, another question. > > I recently bought a Lexicon MRC (midi controller) without a power > supply and this is the rub. Seems this unit needs a 7.5VAC 1Amp > transformer and I can't find this anywhere (even Mouser electronics was > a no go). Does anyone have any idea on where I could find an adapter > for this (Lexicon does not have them any longer)? Any help or tips on > how to find or make a power supply for this would be greatly > appreciated. > > Once I get it powered up, it looks to be an interesting midi controller > with four sliders for real time parameter control among other things. > I'm looking forward to using it with the LXP1 and 5 it came with (if I > can find some power for it). > > Thanks > > Kevin > > > How amazing, how amazing! > Hard to comprehend that > Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. > It simply cannot be heard with the ear, > But when sound is heard with the eye, > Then it is understood. > - Tung-shan (807-869) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 15:42:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KJg8T14960; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:42:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:42:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c43ea2$68f92900$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: Beginner Questions Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:41:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C43E67.BC605540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C43E67.BC605540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I'm new to the list, so I hope you don't mind a few beginner = questions! I'm an electric bassist, heavily influenced by Victor Wooten, = Stanley Clarke, Michael Manring... music where the bass fills many = roles. I've done a lot of four-track recordings where I can play many roles = by myself and then play a melody or solo over the top. Now I'm trying = to expand so I can play these compositions live. My goal is to find something simple that functions in the live = performance setting. I've had bad luck with effects in the past because = they weren't practical when I actually took them on stage, so I don't = want to have a similar experience again! I've been looking at the Boomerang, because it seems best suited for = what I want to do, which is perform live. I've had some people suggest = the Jam Man, and heard others say the Echoplex is the best tool for this = sort of thing. I'm not looking for a ton of crazy effects or delay's or anything, I = just want to loop grooves and chords, so I can play my own compositions = live. Does anyone have any advice on what kind of looper would be best for = this kind of thing, or pro's and con's for using one type as opposed to = another? I've read a lot on the website, but most of the technical = stuff goes right over my head. Thanks! -Jonathan www.badspatula.com ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C43E67.BC605540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi = there,
    I'm new to the list, = so I hope=20 you don't mind a few beginner questions!
    I'm an electric = bassist, heavily=20 influenced by Victor Wooten, Stanley Clarke, Michael Manring... music = where the=20 bass fills many roles.
    I've done a lot of = four-track=20 recordings where I can play many roles by myself and then play a melody = or solo=20 over the top.  Now I'm trying to expand so I can play these = compositions=20 live.
    My goal is to find = something=20 simple that functions in the live performance setting.  I've had = bad luck=20 with effects in the past because they weren't practical when I actually = took=20 them on stage, so I don't want to have a similar experience = again!
    I've been looking at = the=20 Boomerang, because it seems best suited for what I want to do, which is = perform=20 live.  I've had some people suggest the Jam Man, and heard others = say the=20 Echoplex is the best tool for this sort of thing.
    I'm not looking for = a ton of=20 crazy effects or delay's or anything, I just want to loop grooves and=20 chords, so I can play my own compositions live.
    Does anyone have any = advice on=20 what kind of looper would be best for this kind of thing, or pro's and = con's for=20 using one type as opposed to another?  I've read a lot on the = website, but=20 most of the technical stuff goes right over my head.
    Thanks!
    = -Jonathan
    www.badspatula.com
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C43E67.BC605540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 16:04:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KK3LX20050; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:03:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:03:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Tias" , "Looper Delight List" Subject: RE: midi foot controller for loop triggers manipulation et al Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:04:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001501c43dc3$633b6350$c8e7d0d9@waggy> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.24.121] at Thu, 20 May 2004 15:02:47 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> number of slots to record audio clips. So without any pause you can >> play instruments and record either a row of clips coming after each >> other or a bunch of parallel loops, playing together on the same scene >> (but on different tracks). > >Indeed, the only "solution" i can think of is to always have >the tracks in >record-mode because when a slot is occupied it will play the >sample and not >record over it. And then for mute and play i guess you could >have the same >pedal assigned to mute, play etc but with different midi-channels. But >indeed there's some things missing. A scripting-tool / >command-sequence tool >in Ableton would be a very welcome attribute for the next version. ;) Control Aid somehow can delete the current slot, even though there's no midi mapping for that funciton in Live - maybe it uses Apple-scripting for keyboard behavior as suggested earlier? I haven't looked at it closely enough. Anyone know? I like the ControlAid approach, not just for use with footpedals but for other controllers as well. When I live sample and loop with a band, I use a keyboard with controllers for manipulating Ableton, but quickly get limited because of the inability for Live to map a function to the *current* track, so I'd like to use ControlAid for this. Does anyone know of something like ControlAid for Windows? I've had it on my list for something to hack up. If there's nothing like it out there for Windows yet, I hope to get the time to make something in the next few weeks. >Btw, note to everyone else reading this. I'm not 100% done for a first >public Beta, there's still some issues about loop-multiply and >midi-control >in other hosts than Ableton Live that has to be solved, but >will have the >beta for both PC and MAC so noone will be left out. =) Tias, I'm looking fwd to your beta too - best of luck! Cheers, Michael Stauffer michael@circular-logic.com www.circular-logic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 16:39:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KKbqG25090; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:37:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:37:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:34:53 -0800 Subject: Re: Boss DD-20/RC-20 From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <112.32c3d22b.2dde2d52@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4KKaX224889 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi all,... > > > And, since it's just the one amp, I'll be performing in > mono for the first time in ages too. Stan Card would > be proud. However, since it's an art gallery gig I can't > be that loud (heheh). Sorry Stan! >> tEd ® kiLLiAn hey ted -stan would be proud! see if you can make it work :-) no apologies necessary. loud(heheh) is relative anywho brealaleg, ted and see you @ Y2K4 s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 17:10:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KL9Sr30112; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:09:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:09:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c43eae$ac94c8c0$6501a8c0@NGNotebook> From: "Neil Goldstein" To: References: <1084869443.40a9cb439b6c3@www.correo.unam.mx> Subject: Re: looking to buy a Repeater! Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:09:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How much can you pay? I have one I rarely use... Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:37 AM Subject: looking to buy a Repeater! > > > Hi, > > If someone has a Repeater for sale, please get in touch with me.Thanx! > > Andy > > ------------------------------------------------- > www.correo.unam.mx > UNAMonos Comunicándonos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 17:38:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KLbgv02196; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:37:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:37:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <007401c43eb2$991be720$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: Pitch Shifter Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 23:37:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01C43EC3.593C37C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <5lfOXB.A.6g.NUSrAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C43EC3.593C37C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, finally I got my Echoplex ! Thank you very much too everybody = (especially to Per).=20 This unit really rocks. But now Im looking for something to pitch the loop. The Speed should = stay the same but I would like to change the pitch. (If possible in Halfnote Steps) Any ideas? Thanks alot. Greetings Jens. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C43EC3.593C37C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi guys,
 
finally I got my Echoplex ! Thank you = very much=20  too everybody (especially to Per).
This unit really rocks.
But now Im looking for something to = pitch the loop.=20 The Speed should stay the same but I would like to change the=20 pitch.
(If possible in Halfnote = Steps) Any ideas?=20 Thanks alot.
 
Greetings Jens.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C43EC3.593C37C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 18:39:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4KMcVp13350; Thu, 20 May 2004 18:38:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:38:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040520223815.2276.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:38:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c43d40$0783dca0$885bd618@knology.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul wrote: > Hey, the XL-7 is a pretty cool machine. I used to > have one myself. I mean, > 32 arpeggiators! > > Pablo I'm enjoying mine. I like the workflow that I get with its user interface. The sequencer is easy to use, yet quite powerful, and the sounds are much to my liking (I have it maxed out with 4 expansion ROMS). Looking forward to connecting it to the Triwave (which has dual drum trigger inputs) and the EH16 (MIDI clock). Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 20:28:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4L0RW428570; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:27:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 20:27:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007401c43eb2$991be720$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> References: <007401c43eb2$991be720$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:21:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1127023318==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1127023318==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:37 PM +0200 5/20/04, Jens Wolters wrote: >But now Im looking for something to pitch the loop. The Speed should >stay the same but I would like to change the pitch. (If possible in >Halfnote Steps) Any ideas? How much do you want to spend? How good does it have to sound? What type of material are you processing? Eventide and Lexicon have been pitch shifting the longest and have excellent quality. Digitech has done a good job at a lower price. tc electronic is good. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1127023318==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Pitch Shifter
At 11:37 PM +0200 5/20/04, Jens Wolters wrote:

But now Im looking for something to pitch the loop. The Speed should stay the same but I would like to change the pitch. (If possible in Halfnote Steps) Any ideas?

How much do you want to spend?

How good does it have to sound?

What type of material are you processing?

Eventide and Lexicon have been pitch shifting the longest and have excellent quality. Digitech has done a good job at a lower price. tc electronic is good.
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--============_-1127023318==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 20 21:48:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4L1kjq07721; Thu, 20 May 2004 21:46:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 21:46:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 21:46:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Digitech Time Machine Plus From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 5a08ccfa7d9fbebfd780f4a490ca69564776905774d2ac4b2a6450758705ecd9228c2db4c9d2d5b1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers: Just sticking my nose in here to post some significant looping hardware. Please reply offlist, as I'm ducking out again. Have a Digitech 7.6 second Time Machine digital delay/sampler in terrific condition. I've owned a LOT of delays of this kind, and this is the champ. The 8000 doesn't touch it--the architecture is completely different, and the 7.6 allows for much more analog-style fooling around. This is a package, which includes two other rackmount delays from the period: the MXR/Art 1500 (really great, 20-20k bandwidth, 1.5 seconds), and the ADA S1000, which delays to 1 second and has an almost analog warmth to it. Knobs, knobs, knobs! This stuff is for playing! In as near new condition as you will find. The 1500 has one knob cap missing. I'm only interested in selling them at one go, want to clear the decks here. Besides, the Digitech I couldn't sell for less than $150 anyway. Consider the others an incentive. Great together! Will be a fairly heavy package, we'll have to add $25 for shipping. Thanks, David Lee Myers 212-989-5260 dmgraph@earthlink.net Feedback Music and Art at http://www.pulsewidth.com PS- Look for my new CD with legendary electronic music pioneer Tod Dockstader on British ReR Records in Sept! Just sent the master today! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 03:55:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4L7osJ19103; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:50:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 03:50:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040521074900.56957.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 00:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Herman Subject: Re: Boss DD-20/RC-20 (actually DL4...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c43e8a$f506f7a0$56995142@Biffoz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does this specific technique really cause the DL4 to fail? Do you mean simply sweeping the delay time with a high feedback? I've had mine for about a month now, with no trouble yet (knock on wood), though I did purchase the extended warranty at Guitar Center after Ted's post. matt herman funender.com/music/herman --- Miko Biffle wrote: > Hi Ted... I too have had 2 DL4's die on me after > pounding them with glissing > high-regen delay-time sweeps... just about my > favorite thing to do with > delays besides looping. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 04:05:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4L80jW22127; Fri, 21 May 2004 04:00:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 04:00:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <001101c43f09$79898e10$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> From: "Jens Wolters" To: References: <007401c43eb2$991be720$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:58:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C43F1A.3C750CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C43F1A.3C750CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Pitch ShifterHey Richard, "How much do you want to spend?" Since I just but bought the really expensive Echoplex I cant spend that = much. "How good does it have to sound?" Its has to sound pretty good. I would like to use it for live n studio = work. "What type of material are you processing?" I play in jazz rock/fusion context. (drums, bass, guitar) On the one = hand Im looping rhythmic phrases and on the other hand soundscapes. Since were playing jazz I dont wanna stay in the same harmonic context = all the time. But when I create a new loop with a different chord the = hole energy goes down to much. I want to keep the flow. So I want to = take the loop and just transponse it 4 notes up for example. "Eventide and Lexicon have been pitch shifting the longest and have = excellent quality. Digitech has done a good job at a lower price. tc = electronic is good." Those seem to be really expensive. Since Im owning a notebook and I might use Ableton/Reaktor I thouht = about using a software solution. What do you think about that ? Of = course a simple Hardware would be nicer. Greetings Jens. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Zvonar=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 2:21 AM Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter At 11:37 PM +0200 5/20/04, Jens Wolters wrote: But now Im looking for something to pitch the loop. The Speed should = stay the same but I would like to change the pitch. (If possible in = Halfnote Steps) Any ideas? How much do you want to spend? How good does it have to sound? What type of material are you processing? Eventide and Lexicon have been pitch shifting the longest and have = excellent quality. Digitech has done a good job at a lower price. tc = electronic is good. --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD =20 (818) 788-2202 =20 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C43F1A.3C750CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Pitch Shifter
Hey Richard,
 

"How much do you want to = spend?"
Since I = just but bought=20 the really expensive Echoplex I cant spend that = much.
 
"How good does it have to = sound?"
Its has to sound pretty good. I would like to use it for live n = studio=20 work.

"What type of material are you processing?"
I play in jazz rock/fusion context. (drums, bass, = guitar) On the=20 one hand Im looping rhythmic phrases and on the other hand = soundscapes.
Since were playing jazz I dont wanna stay in the same harmonic = context all=20 the time. But when I create a new loop with a different chord the = hole=20 energy goes down to much. I want to keep the flow. So I want to take the = loop and just transponse it 4 notes up for example.
 
"Eventide and Lexicon have been pitch shifting the longest and have = excellent quality. Digitech has done a good job at a lower price. tc = electronic=20 is good."
Those seem to be really expensive.
Since Im owning a notebook and I might use Ableton/Reaktor I thouht = about=20 using a software solution. What do you think about that ? Of course a = simple=20 Hardware would be nicer.
 
Greetings Jens.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard = Zvonar=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 2:21 = AM
Subject: Re: Pitch = Shifter

At 11:37 PM +0200 5/20/04, Jens Wolters wrote:

But = now Im looking=20 for something to pitch the loop. The Speed should stay the same but = I would=20 like to change the pitch. (If possible in Halfnote Steps) Any=20 ideas?

How much do you want to = spend?

How good does it have to = sound?

What type of material are you processing?

Eventide and Lexicon have been pitch shifting the longest and = have=20 excellent quality. Digitech has done a good job at a lower price. tc=20 electronic is good.
--=20
=

______________________________________________________________Richard=20 Zvonar, PhD       =
(818)=20 788-2202 =20        =20        =20        =20        =20 =
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C43F1A.3C750CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 09:18:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LDGWf18513; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:16:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:16:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40AE008E.1070709@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:13:50 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #374 for May 20, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040520.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #374 May 20, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Demo Sessions Mojave 2003, the unedited tracks from the Ricochet Gathering. The Featured CD at Midnight was disc three of the four disc set on the Ricochet Dream label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Stratosfear" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. Demo Sessions Mojave 2003 - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#may PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream 3 am at the border of Stratosfear (Virgin) the marsh from okefenikee Free System Projekt Desolate Landscape Protoavis (Quantum) Jean-Pierre Saccomani Nuages de Megallan Voyage Intersidéral en Nimbus (MCP) Neuronium Fluctus Hydro (Vallet Entertainment) Neuronium Matrix maris Hydro (Vallet Entertainment) Ron Boots Amor Facit Different Stories and Twisted Tales (Groove) Paul Ellis Icon The Sacred Ordinary (Groove) 12:00 am The Mojave Wind Alluvial Elements Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) The Mojave Wind Desert Train Part 2 Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) The Mojave Wind Horizon Memories * Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Demo Sessions - Mojave 2003 on Ricochet Dream Records. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the fourth and final disc of this limited edition 4-CD set. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Phaedra" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 09:35:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LDYHC21447; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:34:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:34:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040521142611.027ec5b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:31:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Lexicon Vortex Site moves In-Reply-To: <200405211318.i4LDI5818734@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200405211318.i4LDI5818734@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1kFanD.A.oNF.DVgrAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone still interested? Andy Butler's Lexicon Vortex Database moves to http://www.andybutler.com/vortex/vortex.htm with patches, sounds and all sorts of info about the effects unit that sounds like no other. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 09:45:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LDiG322987; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:44:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:44:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:42:03 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: DD-20 continued To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007901c43f3a$0aebdfe0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/qhGV4Z4Sfltsk8Fib+SXg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_/qhGV4Z4Sfltsk8Fib+SXg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey cats 'n' kittens- So far I've gotten the following pertinent points (which has generated more questions) re. the DD-20: * The DD-20 comes with 4 memory slots and a current setup slot. They can be toggled through with the right foot pedal. It can be setup to switch between only two of the slots, one being the current and one a memory slot. Question: So you've got four memory slots AND a current setup slot? Can you only "forward toggle" or can you toggle back and forth? And what about toggling between two memory slots? * ...when you switch from the current slot to the 1st memory slot the loop continues but when you switch to the 2nd memory slot the loop stops. Questions: So you can juggle between two settings, but not a third.... I'm assuming also that the beast has some kind of long-term memory, right? If, ferinstance, I always want the first memory slot to be a delay of 16.33 seconds, can I turn the thing off and set it up next week and it will fire up at that setting? And how fine is the setting of the delay length? I've been doing a lot of work with my GT-3 pedal (see Miko's recent comments on the GT-5) and w/the GT-3, I have multiple patches set up with rhythmically compatible delay settings so I can switch between them for wicked cool polyrhythms. It seems the DD-20 would help me do more of that AND pass the two-second limit of the GT-3, but my GT-3 settings are calibrated in milliseconds (three places to the right of the decimal point). It appears that the DD-20 has only TWO places to the right of the decimal point (centiseconds?). Is this so? * So far, I've found the manual fairy cryptic. Maybe my copy is a misprint or something, because after the initial first few pages of disclaimers (and basic stuff about inserting batteries and plugging things into it) it seems to jump right to the middle of operating it and I get a bit lost. So, the manual for me has not been all that helpful. Comment: Boss manuals generate brown wind. Still, something is better than nothing, and if anyone wants to scan and pdf or fax to me, I will be your best friend forever and always give you cutsies on the lunch line. Keep those important facts on the DD-20 coming - I think I'm a buyer, but I want to get a still clearer picture of it. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net --Boundary_(ID_/qhGV4Z4Sfltsk8Fib+SXg) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hey cats 'n' kittens-
    So far I've gotten the following pertinent points (which has generated more questions) re. the DD-20:
* The DD-20 comes with 4 memory slots and a current setup slot. They can be toggled through with the right foot pedal.  It can be setup to switch between only two of the slots, one being the current and one a memory slot. 
 
Question: So you've got four memory slots AND a current setup slot? Can you only "forward toggle" or can you toggle back and forth? And what about toggling between two memory slots?
 
* ...when you switch from the current slot to the 1st memory slot the loop continues but when you switch to the 2nd memory slot the loop stops. 
 
Questions: So you can juggle between two settings, but not a third.... I'm assuming also that the beast has some kind of long-term memory, right? If, ferinstance, I always want the first memory slot to be a delay of 16.33 seconds, can I turn the thing off and set it up next week and it will fire up at that setting? And how fine is the setting of the delay length? I've been doing a lot of work with my GT-3 pedal (see Miko's recent comments on the GT-5) and w/the GT-3, I have multiple patches set up with rhythmically compatible delay settings so I can switch between them for wicked cool polyrhythms. It seems the DD-20 would help me do more of that AND pass the two-second limit of the GT-3, but my GT-3 settings are calibrated in milliseconds (three places to the right of the decimal point). It appears that the DD-20 has only TWO places to the right of the decimal point (centiseconds?). Is this so?
 
* So far, I've found the manual fairy cryptic. Maybe my copy is
a misprint or something, because after the initial first
few pages of disclaimers (and basic stuff about inserting
batteries and plugging things into it) it seems to jump
right to the middle of operating it and I get a bit lost.
So, the manual for me has not been all that helpful.
 
Comment: Boss manuals generate brown wind. Still, something is better than nothing, and if anyone wants to scan and pdf or fax to me, I will be your best friend forever and always give you cutsies on the lunch line.
    Keep those important facts on the DD-20 coming - I think I'm a buyer, but I want to get a still clearer picture of it.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
--Boundary_(ID_/qhGV4Z4Sfltsk8Fib+SXg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 09:49:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LDmRe24141; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:48:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:48:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <28128.208.199.128.169.1085147222.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040521142611.027ec5b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200405211318.i4LDI5818734@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20040521142611.027ec5b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex Site moves From: "p koniuto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: peter@RedSunSoundroom.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jade.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32042 32042] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jade.liquidweb.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <0A5AwC.A.kzF.fhgrAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > http://www.andybutler.com/vortex/vortex.htm Thanks, Andy. And thanks for keeping this site alive! It's been very helpful. -peter koniuto ______________________________ Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom Somerville, MA http://www.RedSunSoundroom.com peter@RedSunSoundroom.com ______________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 10:23:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LEMCE01109; Fri, 21 May 2004 10:22:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:22:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DD-20 continued Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:21:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2004 14:21:38.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDDB21E0:01C43F3E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't own a DD-20, but my friend does, and after reading Eric's post about two simultaneous delay loops, I tried it out. The way I understood it was NOT using sound on sound mode, but instead using two different delays with infinite repeats. i.e. set memory 1 to a two sec. delay with feedback @ 100%, play something, and now you've got a two sec loop. Now, cycle to the next memory location, the 2 sec loop keeps playing, set delay time to something different, say 2.5 secs, set the feedback to 100%, play, and now you have two loops of different lengths going. Now here's where the part that kicks ass is supposed to be. You switch to the next memory setting (3 now), the mem 1 loop stops, the mem 2 loop keeps going and now you can make a completely new loop on mem 3 to play with mem 2 loop. Unfortunately, I found that, while you can do this through all four memory locations, once you cycle back to the manual mode, it all stops, no more loops, no more endless evolving fun. I may have been doing something wrong and you can keep from going back to manual or something. Who knows. I don't own one so I can't say. But the multiple loops thing was way cool. I might have to get one. JS >From: Douglas Baldwin >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: DD-20 continued >Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:42:03 -0400 > >Hey cats 'n' kittens- > So far I've gotten the following pertinent points (which has generated >more questions) re. the DD-20: >* The DD-20 comes with 4 memory slots and a current setup slot. They can be >toggled through with the right foot pedal. It can be setup to switch >between only two of the slots, one being the current and one a memory slot. > >Question: So you've got four memory slots AND a current setup slot? Can you >only "forward toggle" or can you toggle back and forth? And what about >toggling between two memory slots? > >* ...when you switch from the current slot to the 1st memory slot the loop >continues but when you switch to the 2nd memory slot the loop stops. > >Questions: So you can juggle between two settings, but not a third.... I'm >assuming also that the beast has some kind of long-term memory, right? If, >ferinstance, I always want the first memory slot to be a delay of 16.33 >seconds, can I turn the thing off and set it up next week and it will fire >up at that setting? And how fine is the setting of the delay length? I've >been doing a lot of work with my GT-3 pedal (see Miko's recent comments on >the GT-5) and w/the GT-3, I have multiple patches set up with rhythmically >compatible delay settings so I can switch between them for wicked cool >polyrhythms. It seems the DD-20 would help me do more of that AND pass the >two-second limit of the GT-3, but my GT-3 settings are calibrated in >milliseconds (three places to the right of the decimal point). It appears >that the DD-20 has only TWO places to the right of the decimal point >(centiseconds?). Is this so? > >* So far, I've found the manual fairy cryptic. Maybe my copy is >a misprint or something, because after the initial first >few pages of disclaimers (and basic stuff about inserting >batteries and plugging things into it) it seems to jump >right to the middle of operating it and I get a bit lost. >So, the manual for me has not been all that helpful. > >Comment: Boss manuals generate brown wind. Still, something is better than >nothing, and if anyone wants to scan and pdf or fax to me, I will be your >best friend forever and always give you cutsies on the lunch line. > Keep those important facts on the DD-20 coming - I think I'm a buyer, >but I want to get a still clearer picture of it. >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >coyotelk@optonline.net _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 10:28:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LESEi03118; Fri, 21 May 2004 10:28:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:28:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c43f3f$d080ad80$66f5ded1@paulaz4ikjae9k> From: To: Subject: Re: hi guys--please help Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:27:57 -0400 Organization: BlueFrog.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C43F1E.48C0F330" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C43F1E.48C0F330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the info ... I think I ought to buy a Repeater, at this = point. I'd like to hear from anyone who uses theirs live, especially if = you've synced loops together or bounced loops from one track to another. = Does this work out well live? Also, if you've got one you want to sell, please let me know. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C43F1E.48C0F330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the info ... I think I = ought to buy=20 a Repeater, at this point.  I'd like to hear from anyone who uses = theirs=20 live, especially if you've synced loops together or bounced loops from = one track=20 to another.  Does this work out well live?
 
Also, if you've got one you want to = sell, please=20 let me know.
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C43F1E.48C0F330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 10:52:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LEp1D08197; Fri, 21 May 2004 10:51:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:51:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040521110020.01638ae0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:00:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex Site moves In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040521142611.027ec5b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200405211318.i4LDI5818734@hemlock.violacea.com> <200405211318.i4LDI5818734@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm still interested. Another Vortex site seems to have vanished: http://www.waste.org/~crash/loopage.html was titled Lexicon Vortex Appl Notes, IIRC. Thanks, -Nick > Anyone still interested? > > Andy Butler's Lexicon Vortex Database moves to > > http://www.andybutler.com/vortex/vortex.htm > > with patches, sounds and all sorts of info about > the effects unit that sounds like no other. > > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 11:13:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LFCaW13417; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:12:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:12:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGcgAmJ0SX8ttdPlteCdvJR+0+vf01I0kKoF6aGZEf9VMA== X-Originating-IP: [63.191.168.21] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:09:26 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DD-20 continued X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20040521.081026.12033.41254@webmail24.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2561240702 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did this last night. Wow, it is really fun. I also have the RC-20 so once I was able to get two good loops going I could record them on the RC-20 and then go back to the DD-20 and change to another mem. slot. I realized that this could go on for hours using both. The DD-20 does reset when you get back to the current setup. weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 11:15:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LFDxY13631; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:13:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:13:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c43f47$89a7a5f0$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <20040521074900.56957.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boss DD-20/RC-20 (actually DL4...) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:23:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My DL4 will sometimes go into 1/2 speed when I press the Start/Stop button. That's a bit depressing (pun intended), since it has been rather gently used. It's a sporadic malfunction, though... ||:____:|| David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Herman" To: Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: Re: Boss DD-20/RC-20 (actually DL4...) | Does this specific technique really cause the DL4 to | fail? Do you mean simply sweeping the delay time with | a high feedback? I've had mine for about a month now, | with no trouble yet (knock on wood), though I did | purchase the extended warranty at Guitar Center after | Ted's post. | | matt herman | funender.com/music/herman | | --- Miko Biffle wrote: | > Hi Ted... I too have had 2 DL4's die on me after | > pounding them with glissing | > high-regen delay-time sweeps... just about my | > favorite thing to do with | > delays besides looping. | | | | | __________________________________ | Do you Yahoo!? | Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year | http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 11:15:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LFEWj13672; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:14:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:14:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040521151207.36296.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex Site moves To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040521142611.027ec5b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the update, Andy. Your Vortex web pages were always an excellent resource (better the the Lexicon documentation...). Greg --- a k butler wrote: > Anyone still interested? > > Andy Butler's Lexicon Vortex Database moves to > > http://www.andybutler.com/vortex/vortex.htm > > with patches, sounds and all sorts of info about > the effects unit that sounds like no other. > > andy > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 11:22:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LFM5615137; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:22:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:22:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGcgAmJ0SX8ttdPlteCdvJR+RGnC1LTTh+H2HlCm7jyyTQ== X-Originating-IP: [63.191.168.21] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:20:47 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DD-20 continued X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20040521.082104.12033.41392@webmail24.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2715470519 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems that I could set all 4 memory slots to different loop lengths and then toggle through mem. slots as I need to change. Once you set the lengths and write to mem. they come back after powering off and on. I really need to try this when I get home after I set back up. I will setup all 4 slots with different loop lengths and toggle through them while playing and at the same time use the RC-20 (with over 5 mins. or loop time) to record the whole thing. When the cycle on the DD-20 completes I can then start the loop on the RC-20..... I need more coffee! weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 12:00:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LFwg821957; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:58:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:58:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.2104b2b5.2ddf8100@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:57:52 EDT Subject: Re: DD-20 continued To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4LFw7221836 Resent-Message-ID: <7yUsKB.A.gVF.PcirAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a note on the DD-20/RC-20 thang, I've appreciated all of the posts. Thanks! With help, I have finally gotten the unit fairly well sussed. It's a much cooler device now that I fully understand it. Wow! In fact, after bringing home the RC-20 the other day I was less satisfied with my purchase than I was with the DD-20 I bought last month. So, you know what I did? I took the RC back and got another DD and $47 in change (the difference in the prices of the 2 units) back in the bargain. The nice thing about the DD is that you can set up some of the patches to fade away gradually. Although I spend a good deal of time in "Manual" using the SOS (Sound on Sound) Mode where nothing ever fades from the loop, you can step through to other delays that WILL gradually fade away. This makes for nice segues/transitions and endings without having to resort to another volume pedal in the signal chain. And, since I have 2 of them now it's even more seamless . . . and fun. So far, in answer to one question, I don't think that you can "toggle" between 2 memory locations or step backwards but must step forward through them all (in order) if the one you want is not adjacent to the one you're in. I'm still no expert yet though. Also, starting with the "Manual" setting location (and BTW you CAN actually save the timing info on THAT as well so it stars up at the same timing setting at each powerup), you are not only able to save just the timing info at each of the 4 memory slots but the "type" of delay as well. The box has eleven of these that you select with a rotary knob in "manual" mode -- and with the exception of the SOS mode you can save all of the types (including Reverse Delay) to the memory slots so that they are instantly accessible by footswitch. Another point. I think you CAN start at memory slot 4 and step back to the beginning at "Manual" and still have slot 4's delays playing themselves out to over whatever new bit you play into the "manual" slot. I'll check, but I'm sure it's something I did just yesterday when I was figuring the thing out. All-in-all, I think it's a much better unit than the DL4 it replaces in my gear collection. And, while the RC-20 had a whopping 5 minutes of delay memory and some other neat capabilities, I didn't find it all that useful in practice. If I wanted to save prerecorded loops I already have an SP-303 for that over in the other corner, attached to my other "mondo humongus" rack rig. I can just "borrow" that (from myself) whenever. If I wanted to match tempos with another musician or sound source there is a tap tempo button on the DD-20 too . . . and while that doesn't change the tempo of a loop already playing like the RC does (without changing pitch). I'm fairly competent at matching rhythms on the fly anyway so I'm not worried. Thanks again for keeping the thread going 'til some answers surfaced. I like to think of myself as reasonably competent, intelligent and experienced. So when it happens that I was having trouble figuring out a simple . . . well maybe not so simple . . . stomp box delay pedal I felt a bit embarrassed. It just goes to show that the only stupid question is the one you don't ask. Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 12:25:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LGPAw27993; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:25:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:25:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040521162348.20242.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:23:48 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: digitech time machine 7.6 vs. 8000 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com in repsonse to david myers post.... any other thoughts on the time machine 7.6 vs. the 8000? i have the 8000. i love it-- but when you tweak the knobs while a look is going, it definitely gets pretty weird (not in a way i personally like.) would it be worth it for me to seek out a 7.6 instead of my 8000? thanks! dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 12:29:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LGRjc28375; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:27:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:27:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040521162625.47759.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:26:25 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: tap tempo delay w/ flying saucers (DD20 vs. DL4??) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com one more question for today, i'm looking to replace my guyatone md2 with a tap-tempo delay. i love the md2-- when you crank the feedback it makes great flying saucer sounds. but no tap tempo. what's the one to get? i have a DL-4 for looping, i'm not opposed to getting another one for delays. but the dd-20 looks interesting. or perhaps there are others..... this has talked about yesterday, but dd20 vs. dl4? or is there another i'm missing out on? thanks! d __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 12:37:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LGace29963; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:36:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:36:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.20ef988e.2ddf89e0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:35:44 EDT Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex Site moves To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4LGa0229788 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy! So . . . you're the Vortex guy!!! I didn't really make the connection after all of our discussions about Chopitch GUIs and stuff. I own 2 of the puppies and I have borrowed and tinkered with many of the patches from your site over the years. Thanks for making that info available! Amazing! It's been a very helpful resource. You can hear Vortexes in use all over my 2001 CD "Flux Aeterna." The thing is seldom turned off (or otherwise missing from my guitar's regular signal chain). I use the second one to process the guitar-MIDI-controlled synths. Forget wahwah pedals. CV control pedal "morphing" with a Vortex is much more fun! Most of my LD posts of late have surrounded my efforts to put together a smaller, more compact, and therefore (hopefully) more reliable and easy-to-set-up looping rig -- for small venues, festivals and stuff. I wish there was a pedal version of the Vortex to include in that. It's the thing I miss most while going in this new "stripped down" paradigm. People sometimes refer to the Digitech X-300 "Space Station" as being something like a suitable replacement or equivalent. But, having played around with one quite a bit when it first came out -- and though I DO think it IS a fun little box on it's own -- it really isn't the same thing at all. Keep up the good work! Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 12:57:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LGuI803225; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:56:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:56:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Spaceranger \(E-mail\)" Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: Lexicon Vortex Site moves Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:53:52 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c43f54$32eca9b0$5b0710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040521142611.027ec5b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jupiter.selectservers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stewardandking.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes please!!!! 8^) > -----Original Message----- > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:31 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Lexicon Vortex Site moves > > Anyone still interested? > > Andy Butler's Lexicon Vortex Database moves to > > http://www.andybutler.com/vortex/vortex.htm > > with patches, sounds and all sorts of info about > the effects unit that sounds like no other. > > andy > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 13:23:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LHMr509364; Fri, 21 May 2004 13:22:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:22:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040521181527.027f2150@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:18:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #183 In-Reply-To: <200405211657.i4LGvB003783@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200405211657.i4LGvB003783@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8ZZMlB.A.yNC.WqjrAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 17:57 21/05/04, you wrote: >I'm still interested. Another Vortex site seems to have vanished: >http://www.waste.org/~crash/loopage.html was titled Lexicon Vortex Appl >Notes, IIRC. >Thanks, >-Nick That's Todd Madson's site, it's still there, at http://pod.ath.cx/loopage.html andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 14:56:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LItPJ26974; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:55:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:55:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001101c43f09$79898e10$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> References: <007401c43eb2$991be720$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> <001101c43f09$79898e10$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:46:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1126956818==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1126956818==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:58 AM +0200 5/21/04, Jens Wolters wrote: >"How much do you want to spend?" >Since I just but bought the really expensive Echoplex I cant spend that much. That's not a helpful answer. I was hoping for something along the lines of "$500" or "$1500." >"How good does it have to sound?" >Its has to sound pretty good. I would like to use it for live n studio work. The more you spend, the better it should sound. In my personal experience the processors that sound good enough for studio work are in the price range above $1000. However, much depends on the prevailing quality of sound and on the function of the processed sound in the mix. You can get away with a lot in some situations. For instance, if looped material doesn't need to match the live parts, but rather can sound remote,it can be low pass filtered and/or reverberated. This will camouflage a lesser quality of sound. >"What type of material are you processing?" >I play in jazz rock/fusion context. (drums, bass, guitar) On the one >hand Im looping rhythmic phrases and on the other hand soundscapes. >Since were playing jazz I dont wanna stay in the same harmonic >context all the time. But when I create a new loop with a different >chord the hole energy goes down to much. I want to keep the flow. So >I want to take the loop and just transponse it 4 notes up for >example. You'll want to avoid pitch shifters that are designed mainly for voice. Some of those from Digitech and TC are of that type. They have the ability to independently adjust formants, but the method used isn't optimal for instrumental mixes. In general it is a greater challenge to shift complex mixes; therefore it can be more expensive. >"Eventide and Lexicon have been pitch shifting the longest and have >excellent quality. Digitech has done a good job at a lower price. tc >electronic is good." >Those seem to be really expensive. What do you consider not "really expensive"? Zoom? Maybe someone on the list can suggest something cheap and decent sounding. In my experience this can sometimes be found (in a reverb shoot-out some years back we found that the Alesis Quadraverb stood up pretty well even against the high-priced reverbs). >Since Im owning a notebook and I might use Ableton/Reaktor I thouht >about using a software solution. What do you think about that ? Of >course a simple Hardware would be nicer. There are some very good plug-ins. I'm particularly fond of GRM Tools, SoundToys, Waves, and PSP. The best for pitch shifting are from SoundToys, but unfortunately they're limited to TDM and RTAS. Waves UltraPitch is also quite good and is VST compatible. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1126956818==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Pitch Shifter
At 9:58 AM +0200 5/21/04, Jens Wolters wrote:

"How much do you want to spend?"
Since I just but bought the really expensive Echoplex I cant spend that much.

That's not a helpful answer. I was hoping for something along the lines of "$500" or "$1500."

"How good does it have to sound?"
Its has to sound pretty good. I would like to use it for live n studio work.

The more you spend, the better it should sound. In my personal experience the processors that sound good enough for studio work are in the price range above $1000. However, much depends on the prevailing quality of sound and on the function of the processed sound in the mix. You can get away with a lot in some situations. For instance, if looped material doesn't need to match the live parts, but rather can sound remote,it can be low pass filtered and/or reverberated. This will camouflage a lesser quality of sound.

"What type of material are you processing?"
I play in jazz rock/fusion context. (drums, bass, guitar) On the one hand Im looping rhythmic phrases and on the other hand soundscapes.
Since were playing jazz I dont wanna stay in the same harmonic context all the time. But when I create a new loop with a different chord the hole energy goes down to much. I want to keep the flow. So I want to take the loop and just transponse it 4 notes up for example.

You'll want to avoid pitch shifters that are designed mainly for voice. Some of those from Digitech and TC are of that type. They have the ability to independently adjust formants, but the method used isn't optimal for instrumental mixes. In general it is a greater challenge to shift complex mixes; therefore it can be more expensive.

"Eventide and Lexicon have been pitch shifting the longest and have excellent quality. Digitech has done a good job at a lower price. tc electronic is good."
Those seem to be really expensive.

What do you consider not "really expensive"? Zoom? Maybe someone on the list can suggest something cheap and decent sounding. In my experience this can sometimes be found (in a reverb shoot-out some years back we found that the Alesis Quadraverb stood up pretty well even against the high-priced reverbs).

Since Im owning a notebook and I might use Ableton/Reaktor I thouht about using a software solution. What do you think about that ? Of course a simple Hardware would be nicer.

There are some very good plug-ins. I'm particularly fond of GRM Tools, SoundToys, Waves, and PSP. The best for pitch shifting are from SoundToys, but unfortunately they're limited to TDM and RTAS.  Waves UltraPitch is also quite good and is VST compatible.
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--============_-1126956818==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 15:11:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LJA8D31511; Fri, 21 May 2004 15:10:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:10:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1085163383.40ae477714a07@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:16:23 -0700 From: dave@unpronounceable.com To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Fresno in Oakland this Saturday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The inimitable Brian Kenney Fresno is playing this Saturday night at the 21 Grand ( http://www.21grand.org/ ) in Oakland, California. Anyone who has seen Brian perform will probably agree that this is an act that shouldn't be missed. His eclectic blend of musicial styles, comedy, and (cough) gimmicks are brought forth by this one-man-band through his Warr Guitar and massive effects processing system. His songs pretty much all involve extensive live looping of his Warr Guitar and various other instruments. There are many photos (most taken by me) at his web site along with many full- length downloadable MP3's of his music. http://www.bonghitrecords.com/ Oh yeah, my band "dud" ( http://www.isproductions.com/dud/ ) will also be playing. Though I do extensive looping with my other bands, I don't do any with dud. When you have nine musicians, you kinda don't need to loop (and might have other band members throw things at you). For more info, check out: http://www.21grand.org/20040522.html for directions: http://www.21grand.org/map.html also, I have numerous photos strewn about my photography site at http://www.chromatic-fantasy.com/ Hope to see some of you guys there. I'll be the one playing bass in dud. Sincerely, Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 16:13:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LKBT708792; Fri, 21 May 2004 16:11:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:11:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DD-20 continued Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 20:10:52 +0000 Message-Id: <052120042010.20560.40AE624B000C2AA00000505022007374780301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 6 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, i've been following this DD-20 thread with interest. I have been a long time DL-4 owner (like the day it was released or something close to that) and my unit has not failed once. It has seen fairly minimal stage usage, and I baby my stuff, too. I have heard of the many failures of these units, from users groups and fellow musicians alike. this dual loop function of the DD-20 sounds very interesting, but I have a question. How exactly does the DD20 implement the delay time? For example: 1. if you set the feedback on the memory slots to 100%, i'm assuming you set this ahead of time, and not 'on the fly'. can you do feedback adjustments on the fly? I'm sure this means bending down and adjusting the pedal, but is it instant gratification, or in a submenu? 2. when you start playing into the DD20, is the delay time already set, as well? So your 'loop' would have to conform to the delay time? (as in the PDS pedal paradigm). Or, do you 'tap' in the delay time on the fly, (more of a DL4 or EDP type paradigm) and then the loop/delay time is captured at the second hit of the 'tap'. 3. Someone mentioned a 'bypass' switch, which was described as a 'punch in/punch out' type function. Does this mean that you can set the feedback to 100%, get a loop going, then 'bypass' out, and continue layering over the loop, without it getting fed into the loop? This would be nice as that is a classic methodology for the PDS series pedals, which I miss with my DL4 very much. If you are in delay mode on the DL4 and set a high repeat setting, everything you play gets fed into the delay line, unless you have a more complex mixer/send setup (which I did for certain situations). hope someone can shed light on this. It looks like an interesting unit, and i've played with one briefly. I want a pedal that does tap tempo type delay work and can do infinite repeats with 'punch in/out' functions. DL4 meets PDS, please! best, rich www.asopaque.com > I don't own a DD-20, but my friend does, and after reading Eric's post about > two simultaneous delay loops, I tried it out. The way I understood it was > NOT using sound on sound mode, but instead using two different delays with > infinite repeats. i.e. set memory 1 to a two sec. delay with feedback @ > 100%, play something, and now you've got a two sec loop. Now, cycle to the > next memory location, the 2 sec loop keeps playing, set delay time to > something different, say 2.5 secs, set the feedback to 100%, play, and now > you have two loops of different lengths going. > > Now here's where the part that kicks ass is supposed to be. You switch to > the next memory setting (3 now), the mem 1 loop stops, the mem 2 loop keeps > going and now you can make a completely new loop on mem 3 to play with mem 2 > loop. Unfortunately, I found that, while you can do this through all four > memory locations, once you cycle back to the manual mode, it all stops, no > more loops, no more endless evolving fun. I may have been doing something > wrong and you can keep from going back to manual or something. Who knows. I > don't own one so I can't say. But the multiple loops thing was way cool. I > might have to get one. > > JS > > > >From: Douglas Baldwin > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: DD-20 continued > >Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:42:03 -0400 > > > >Hey cats 'n' kittens- > > So far I've gotten the following pertinent points (which has generated > >more questions) re. the DD-20: > >* The DD-20 comes with 4 memory slots and a current setup slot. They can be > >toggled through with the right foot pedal. It can be setup to switch > >between only two of the slots, one being the current and one a memory slot. > > > >Question: So you've got four memory slots AND a current setup slot? Can you > >only "forward toggle" or can you toggle back and forth? And what about > >toggling between two memory slots? > > > >* ...when you switch from the current slot to the 1st memory slot the loop > >continues but when you switch to the 2nd memory slot the loop stops. > > > >Questions: So you can juggle between two settings, but not a third.... I'm > >assuming also that the beast has some kind of long-term memory, right? If, > >ferinstance, I always want the first memory slot to be a delay of 16.33 > >seconds, can I turn the thing off and set it up next week and it will fire > >up at that setting? And how fine is the setting of the delay length? I've > >been doing a lot of work with my GT-3 pedal (see Miko's recent comments on > >the GT-5) and w/the GT-3, I have multiple patches set up with rhythmically > >compatible delay settings so I can switch between them for wicked cool > >polyrhythms. It seems the DD-20 would help me do more of that AND pass the > >two-second limit of the GT-3, but my GT-3 settings are calibrated in > >milliseconds (three places to the right of the decimal point). It appears > >that the DD-20 has only TWO places to the right of the decimal point > >(centiseconds?). Is this so? > > > >* So far, I've found the manual fairy cryptic. Maybe my copy is > >a misprint or something, because after the initial first > >few pages of disclaimers (and basic stuff about inserting > >batteries and plugging things into it) it seems to jump > >right to the middle of operating it and I get a bit lost. > >So, the manual for me has not been all that helpful. > > > >Comment: Boss manuals generate brown wind. Still, something is better than > >nothing, and if anyone wants to scan and pdf or fax to me, I will be your > >best friend forever and always give you cutsies on the lunch line. > > Keep those important facts on the DD-20 coming - I think I'm a buyer, > >but I want to get a still clearer picture of it. > >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > >coyotelk@optonline.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 16:18:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LKGro10420; Fri, 21 May 2004 16:16:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:16:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: thetoyroom@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DD-20 continued Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 20:16:27 +0000 Message-Id: <052120042016.25169.40AE639B00090B220000625122007614380301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 6 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ted, i hope to not sound flippant, but I think you are being much to modest and self-depracative! I saw you perform with the 'monster rack' at Loopstock I, and anybody who can wrap their head around that setup can wrangle a stompbox! hehe. Just give y'self a little time! best, rich > Just a note on the DD-20/RC-20 thang, > > I've appreciated all of the posts. Thanks! With help, I have > finally gotten the unit fairly well sussed. It's a much cooler > device now that I fully understand it. Wow! In fact, after > bringing home the RC-20 the other day I was less satisfied > with my purchase than I was with the DD-20 I bought last > month. So, you know what I did? I took the RC back and got > another DD and $47 in change (the difference in the > prices of the 2 units) back in the bargain. > > The nice thing about the DD is that you can set up some of > the patches to fade away gradually. Although I spend a good > deal of time in "Manual" using the SOS (Sound on Sound) Mode > where nothing ever fades from the loop, you can step through > to other delays that WILL gradually fade away. This makes for > nice segues/transitions and endings without having to resort > to another volume pedal in the signal chain. And, since I have > 2 of them now it's even more seamless . . . and fun. > > So far, in answer to one question, I don't think that you can > "toggle" between 2 memory locations or step backwards but > must step forward through them all (in order) if the one you > want is not adjacent to the one you're in. I'm still no expert yet > though. > > Also, starting with the "Manual" setting location (and BTW you > CAN actually save the timing info on THAT as well so it stars > up at the same timing setting at each powerup), you are not > only able to save just the timing info at each of the 4 memory > slots but the "type" of delay as well. The box has eleven of > these that you select with a rotary knob in "manual" mode -- and > with the exception of the SOS mode you can save all of the > types (including Reverse Delay) to the memory slots so that > they are instantly accessible by footswitch. > > Another point. I think you CAN start at memory slot 4 and step > back to the beginning at "Manual" and still have slot 4's delays > playing themselves out to over whatever new bit you play into > the "manual" slot. I'll check, but I'm sure it's something I did > just yesterday when I was figuring the thing out. > > All-in-all, I think it's a much better unit than the DL4 it replaces > in my gear collection. And, while the RC-20 had a whopping 5 > minutes of delay memory and some other neat capabilities, > I didn't find it all that useful in practice. If I wanted to save > prerecorded loops I already have an SP-303 for that over in > the other corner, attached to my other "mondo humongus" > rack rig. I can just "borrow" that (from myself) whenever. > If I wanted to match tempos with another musician or sound > source there is a tap tempo button on the DD-20 too . . . and > while that doesn't change the tempo of a loop already playing > like the RC does (without changing pitch). I'm fairly competent > at matching rhythms on the fly anyway so I'm not worried. > > Thanks again for keeping the thread going 'til some answers > surfaced. I like to think of myself as reasonably competent, > intelligent and experienced. So when it happens that I was > having trouble figuring out a simple . . . well maybe not so > simple . . . stomp box delay pedal I felt a bit embarrassed. > It just goes to show that the only stupid question is the one > you don't ask. > > Cheers, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 16:55:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LKqXk15819; Fri, 21 May 2004 16:52:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:52:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <1085163383.40ae477714a07@webmail.unpronounceable.com> References: <1085163383.40ae477714a07@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9035BC6C-AB68-11D8-A4A0-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Fresno in Oakland this Saturday Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:50:59 -0700 To: dave@unpronounceable.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Small world, Dave. I used to be in the Janus Ensemble with Richard Smith. I ran into him for the first time in years last weekend and he told me a little about dud and gave me a flyer for this gig. The dud logo is hilarious, I especially like the money going down the drain. I'll try and make it! -Alex Stahl On May 21, 2004, at 11:16 AM, dave@unpronounceable.com wrote: > The inimitable Brian Kenney Fresno is playing this Saturday night at > the 21 > Grand ( http://www.21grand.org/ ) in Oakland, California. > > Anyone who has seen Brian perform will probably agree that this is an > act that > shouldn't be missed. His eclectic blend of musicial styles, comedy, and > (cough) gimmicks are brought forth by this one-man-band through his > Warr > Guitar and massive effects processing system. His songs pretty much all > involve extensive live looping of his Warr Guitar and various other > instruments. > > There are many photos (most taken by me) at his web site along with > many full- > length downloadable MP3's of his music. > > http://www.bonghitrecords.com/ > > Oh yeah, my band "dud" ( http://www.isproductions.com/dud/ ) will also > be > playing. Though I do extensive looping with my other bands, I don't do > any > with dud. When you have nine musicians, you kinda don't need to loop > (and > might have other band members throw things at you). > > For more info, check out: > > http://www.21grand.org/20040522.html > for directions: > http://www.21grand.org/map.html > > also, I have numerous photos strewn about my photography site at > http://www.chromatic-fantasy.com/ > > Hope to see some of you guys there. I'll be the one playing bass in > dud. > > Sincerely, > > Dave > > http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 18:52:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4LMpkq06184; Fri, 21 May 2004 18:51:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:51:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.127.210.10] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <007401c43eb2$991be720$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> <001101c43f09$79898e10$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:51:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2004 22:51:22.0422 (UTC) FILETIME=[2355F560:01C43F86] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jens wrote: >Since were playing jazz I dont wanna stay in the same harmonic context all the time. But when I create a >new loop with a different chord the hole energy goes down to much. I want to keep the flow. So I want to >take the loop and just transponse it 4 notes up for example. It sure seems like you should have bought a repeater. Make your loops in there, then you can trigger the root of the chord progression on a keyboard or midi footpedal to make the repeater "follow" the chord changes. The repeater assumes you record the loop in C, so if you hit a C on the keyboard it'll return the loop to home pitch, so you'd have to get good at the mental transpose stuff when you're not playing in C to start, but it works pretty darn good and has a lot of range without excessive coloration. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 21 23:55:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4M3sux27542; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:54:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 23:54:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.2a23116c.2de028f5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 23:54:29 EDT Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex Site moves To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6b.2a23116c.2de028f5_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6b.2a23116c.2de028f5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy, your site is great! I really love the Vortex....the downside of it was that it had little 'bombast' out of the box and most that tried it didn't give it enough 'love'. Once you start tweaking....that's where the (potentially speaker damaging) fun begins! -Todd --part1_6b.2a23116c.2de028f5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, your si= te is great!

I really love the Vortex....the downside of it was that it had little 'b= ombast' out of the box and most that tried it didn't give it enough 'love'.=20=  Once you start tweaking....that's where the (potentially speaker damag= ing) fun begins!  -Todd --part1_6b.2a23116c.2de028f5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 03:12:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4M7C0s28507; Sat, 22 May 2004 03:12:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 03:12:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 09:11:34 +0200 (MEST) From: "sdfsf sdfsdf" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <23172.1085209894@www44.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jon, Im afraid youre right ! Mhhh.. Greeting Jens. > Jens wrote: > >Since were playing jazz I dont wanna stay in the same harmonic context > all > the time. But when I create a > >new loop with a different chord the hole energy goes down to much. I want > to keep the flow. So I want to > >take the loop and just transponse it 4 notes up for example. > > It sure seems like you should have bought a repeater. Make your loops in > there, then you can trigger the root of the chord progression on a > keyboard > or midi footpedal to make the repeater "follow" the chord changes. The > repeater assumes you record the loop in C, so if you hit a C on the > keyboard > it'll return the loop to home pitch, so you'd have to get good at the > mental > transpose stuff when you're not playing in C to start, but it works pretty > darn good and has a lot of range without excessive coloration. > Jon > -- NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgebühr: http://www.gmx.net/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 04:14:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4M8DSJ03957; Sat, 22 May 2004 04:13:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 04:13:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c43fd4$dd3262e0$81975142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20040521074900.56957.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boss DD-20/RC-20 (actually DL4...) Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 01:14:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I send a pretty hot level to many other devices with no problem, but the DL4 would disstort. I had to attenuate things about -3 to -6db to alleviate that. It didn't seem to have much headroom. It sounded great when it was at that level, but I have a couple self-oscillating devices which can really get out of hand in front of it and really couldn't see putting a brick-wall limiter in front of the DL4. I fried two of them. That's all I know, and I'm not buying another one. My Boss DD5, Lexicon Vortex, EDP, and GT-5 all handle my signal pretty well, but the DL4 was the weakest of the batch and slowly deteriorated to less-than-useful status. My second one had a crackling on one side of the stereo field, and eventually that side died. It's a mono device at the moment. -miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Herman" To: Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: Re: Boss DD-20/RC-20 (actually DL4...) > Does this specific technique really cause the DL4 to > fail? Do you mean simply sweeping the delay time with > a high feedback? I've had mine for about a month now, > with no trouble yet (knock on wood), though I did > purchase the extended warranty at Guitar Center after > Ted's post. > > matt herman > funender.com/music/herman > > --- Miko Biffle wrote: > > Hi Ted... I too have had 2 DL4's die on me after > > pounding them with glissing > > high-regen delay-time sweeps... just about my > > favorite thing to do with > > delays besides looping. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 06:54:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MArGx01575; Sat, 22 May 2004 06:53:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 06:53:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <052120042010.20560.40AE624B000C2AA00000505022007374780301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> References: <052120042010.20560.40AE624B000C2AA00000505022007374780301019D97019B0A089B@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <84B3BF42-AB91-11D8-91A9-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: DD-20 continued Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 20:44:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 21, 2004, at 3:10 PM, thetoyroom@comcast.net wrote: > 3. Someone mentioned a 'bypass' switch, which was described as a > 'punch in/punch out' type function. Does this mean that you can set > the feedback to 100%, get a loop going, then 'bypass' out, and > continue layering over the loop, without it getting fed into the loop? > This would be nice as that is a classic methodology for the PDS > series pedals, which I miss with my DL4 very much. If you are in > delay mode on the DL4 and set a high repeat setting, everything you > play gets fed into the delay line, unless you have a more complex > mixer/send setup (which I did for certain situations). right. the "bypass" button is actually a mute to the input of the delay line. nice to see spirited discussion of this pedal! --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 12:05:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MG49626941; Sat, 22 May 2004 12:04:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 12:04:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:48:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex Site moves From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <28128.208.199.128.169.1085147222.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> http://www.andybutler.com/vortex/vortex.htm > > Thanks, Andy. And thanks for keeping this site alive! > It's been very helpful. > > -peter koniuto > yeah thanx andy. one thing tho'-at the bottom of that page it says: "LEXICON-they have a policy of giving support for discontinued items"-maybe it should say 'some discontined items') havent found it to be true(maybe its just me) my goto reverb REFLEX started acting up-it had an audible quiet whine while the unit is engaged or not- i called 'lexicon' they referred me to 'harmon group' who referred me to 'jimfabiano.com' who *doesnt* work on reflexes. frustrating and outa luck! thank goodness for ebay again, thanx for that site stan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 12:49:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MGmoL32578; Sat, 22 May 2004 12:48:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 12:48:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Evans Subject: asynchronous loops? Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:47:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for turning me on to loopers delight, Ted! I'd like to buy the perfect looping device, and it looks like the Gibson EDP makes sense for me with it's 198 seconds of memory time and up to 9 loops and whatnot, but I'm still looking for an answer to this question - and I'm a newbie (to looping without multitracking) so please bear with it's silliness: Once I have a loop (let's say 30 seconds), can I add new loops that cycle independently (say 23.5s, and 41.2s) thereby creating an abstract polyrhythm? Or will the 23.5s loop have to get 6.5s added to it to to sync with the original 30s one? I'm half expecting (and really hoping) that someone will tell me that I can do either if I set up the program right. Thanks, Jeff Evans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 14:16:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MIFPY13887; Sat, 22 May 2004 14:15:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:15:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 20:14:41 +0200 (MEST) From: "sdfsf sdfsdf" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: asynchronous loops? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <22695.1085249681@www4.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jeff, > Once I have a loop (let's say 30 seconds), can I add new loops that > cycle independently (say 23.5s, and 41.2s) thereby creating an abstract > polyrhythm? Or will the 23.5s loop have to get 6.5s added to it to to > sync with the original 30s one? I only have my EDP for one week now. But Im trying to explain. It depends on what you mean by loops. The EDP has 9 different loops. Which you can alter. Those Loops can be as long as you want. No problem. (you can also quantize those) But if you talk of polyrhythms you probably mean the Overdub/Multiply feature of the EDP. With Multiply can mix the original loop with an new phrase (its not called loop actually, but its a loop). This new "loop" can be as long as you want. If you set the right settings, this loops quantizes to the original loop. You can do it with and without quantize. Polyrhythms are no problem at all. Hope this helped a bit. Greetings Jens. -- "Sie haben neue Mails!" - Die GMX Toolbar informiert Sie beim Surfen! Jetzt aktivieren unter http://www.gmx.net/info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 14:21:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MIKhR15410; Sat, 22 May 2004 14:20:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:20:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040522111656.00ba8078@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:20:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: asynchronous loops? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6LLPX.A.tvD.mn5rAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Using Loop IV, the EDP can have up to 16 loops but it cannot play more than one simultaneously. You could create a loop and then copy it to another and overdub - but you can't record a 30 second loop and then a separate 20 second loop and play them both simultaneously. At 09:47 AM 2004.05.22, Jeff Evans wrote: >I'd like to buy the perfect looping device, and it looks like the Gibson >EDP makes sense for me with it's 198 seconds of memory time and up to 9 >loops and whatnot, but I'm still looking for an answer to this question - >and I'm a newbie (to looping without multitracking) so please bear with >it's silliness: >Once I have a loop (let's say 30 seconds), can I add new loops that cycle >independently (say 23.5s, and 41.2s) thereby creating an abstract >polyrhythm? Or will the 23.5s loop have to get 6.5s added to it to to sync >with the original 30s one? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 14:24:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MIM0B15664; Sat, 22 May 2004 14:22:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:22:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 20:21:45 +0200 (MEST) From: shocktone@gmx.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <23172.1085209894@www44.gmx.net> Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter again, Digitech, Bill Frisell ? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <10611.1085250105@www4.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, I tried the Waves pitch shifter (plugin) today with some guitar sounds.I have to admit it really sounds terrible. So i have the feeling the Repeater is not gonna do it for me. I heard Bill frisell is changing his loop pitch with his Digitech Delay. When Im doing this with my Roland Space Echo I get simliar results. (but the delay is a bit too special) So I have the feeling for non rhythmic soundscapes this might be a good solution since I dont want to alter the sound too much. What do you guys think? #Thanks alot. Greetings Jens. -- "Sie haben neue Mails!" - Die GMX Toolbar informiert Sie beim Surfen! Jetzt aktivieren unter http://www.gmx.net/info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 14:32:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MIWBj17233; Sat, 22 May 2004 14:32:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:32:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 20:30:40 +0200 (MEST) From: shocktone@gmx.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <10611.1085250105@www4.gmx.net> Subject: Digitech PDS8000/PDS2000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <5265.1085250640@www61.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry guys. On more question. Is the PDS8000 and the PDS2000 the same thing ? On loopers delight under the PDS8000 section there is a PDS2000 manual published. Greeting Jens. -- NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgebühr: http://www.gmx.net/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 14:40:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MIdXj18771; Sat, 22 May 2004 14:39:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:39:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <10611.1085250105@www4.gmx.net> References: <23172.1085209894@www44.gmx.net> <10611.1085250105@www4.gmx.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:39:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter again, Digitech, Bill Frisell ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_5Gm9C.A.qjE.Y55rAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:21 PM +0200 5/22/04, shocktone@gmx.de wrote: >I tried the Waves pitch shifter (plugin) today with some guitar sounds.I >have to admit it really sounds terrible. I've tried it with various sounds, with mixed results. A piano loop (at a higher register with a modest amount of ring) was really bad, with a lot of erratic jumping around. Spoken male voice worked quite well. This is in keeping with my past experience using various pitch shifters. Even with the expensive ones you'll invariably get better results with simple monophonic sources. The more complex the source the more difficulty the shifter has in tracking the fundamental pitch and the more artifacts are generated. It's also important to fiddle with tracking parameters for best results. Many pitch shift algorithms allow you to specify the upper and lower pitch limits of the input signal, as well as the processing delay. In most cases if you can work with a higher latency you can get more accurate results. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 14:47:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MIkmU19955; Sat, 22 May 2004 14:46:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:46:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <588ce11d0405221145415fc88@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:45:34 -0700 From: Art Simon To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech PDS8000/PDS2000 In-Reply-To: <5265.1085250640@www61.gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 References: <10611.1085250105@www4.gmx.net> <5265.1085250640@www61.gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4MIjYh19819 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The PDS8000 was boxed with the PDS2000 manual. When I got mine, I thought I got a PDS2000 manual by mistake, so I called digitech and complained I didn't get a manual. They sent me another PDS2000 manual. -Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com On Sat, 22 May 2004 20:30:40 +0200 (MEST), shocktone@gmx.de wrote: > > Sorry guys. > > On more question. Is the PDS8000 and the PDS2000 the same thing ? > On loopers delight under the PDS8000 section there is a PDS2000 manual > published. > > Greeting Jens. > > -- > NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL > Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgeb�hr: http://www.gmx.net/dsl > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 15:00:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MIxbn23212; Sat, 22 May 2004 14:59:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:59:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0405221145415fc88@mail.gmail.com> References: <10611.1085250105@www4.gmx.net> <5265.1085250640@www61.gmx.net> <588ce11d0405221145415fc88@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:57:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Digitech PDS8000/PDS2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:45 AM -0700 5/22/04, Art Simon wrote: >The PDS8000 was boxed with the PDS2000 manual. When I got mine, I >thought I got a PDS2000 manual by mistake, so I called digitech and >complained I didn't get a manual. They sent me another PDS2000 >manual. I think Digitech believes in hiring the handicapped. I once called and asked for the system exclusive MIDI data for one of their units. They sent me a schematic. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 15:11:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MJB9M26349; Sat, 22 May 2004 15:11:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:11:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040522191049.80531.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 12:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Signal Path Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, While I am rather new to the world of looping as a true to life form of music, I've subconciously been doing it since I dicovered the joys of infinite repeat on my delay pedals. Recently, I was reading an article out of an old mag on David Torn's rig. I myself don't have any "true" looping devices like the EDP or any of the others listed here(I'm pretty broke right now, but the spirited discussion about the dd-20 and so on have made me rethink my choices in loopers), but I do have a Digitech RDS1900 and 3 processors with delay times ranging from 1500ms to 3 seconds, most of which have infinte repeat ability. I also have a Behringer mixer with two effects sends on it. I've read that Torn uses a mixer to run his looping devices so that he can bring them in and out as needed. Is anyone familiar with the behringer mixers enough to suggest a signal path in which to route these processors? If not that, any possible signal path ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Bri Soul Implant __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 17:50:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MLmkP23692; Sat, 22 May 2004 17:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:48:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Signal Path Question Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:48:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c44046$78c6cf40$6501a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20040522191049.80531.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have had pretty good luck with the following setup on a small behringer mixer. Aux 1 > volume pedal > delay unit (line 6 echo pro) Delay returns to a channel on the mixer Aux 2 > looper (repeater) Looper returns to > volume pedal > channel on the mixer This allowed for capturing as much, or as little as I liked in to the delay line, by using the volume pedal. Cool for dub style effects. Having the volume pedal post looper on aux 2 allowed for changing the volume of the captured loop, or fading out the loop altogether, altering it, and bringing it back into the mix, without the loop ever stopping. Also, by returning them to their own channels, you could add looper to the delay, or delay to the looper if you liked. Best regards, Rich www.asopaque.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kupferschmid [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 12:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Signal Path Question Hi, While I am rather new to the world of looping as a true to life form of music, I've subconciously been doing it since I dicovered the joys of infinite repeat on my delay pedals. Recently, I was reading an article out of an old mag on David Torn's rig. I myself don't have any "true" looping devices like the EDP or any of the others listed here(I'm pretty broke right now, but the spirited discussion about the dd-20 and so on have made me rethink my choices in loopers), but I do have a Digitech RDS1900 and 3 processors with delay times ranging from 1500ms to 3 seconds, most of which have infinte repeat ability. I also have a Behringer mixer with two effects sends on it. I've read that Torn uses a mixer to run his looping devices so that he can bring them in and out as needed. Is anyone familiar with the behringer mixers enough to suggest a signal path in which to route these processors? If not that, any possible signal path ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Bri Soul Implant __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer __________ NOD32 1.578 (20031212) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 17:50:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MLnvf23941; Sat, 22 May 2004 17:49:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:49:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040522111656.00ba8078@mail02.powweb.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040522111656.00ba8078@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: asynchronous loops? Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 16:49:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <0nhHG.A.-0F.0r8rAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah. Thanks. That bums me out, though. Does anyone make a piece of hardware that can do what I'm looking for - which is play more than one loop (of different lengths) at a time, each cycling independently? I suppose I could get more than one looping device, and just change the routing as I go (a tc 2290 is starting to make sense) and mix all the outputs down to stereo - but I was hoping to satisfy my need in a single rack space. Oh well. Thanks for the feedback, everyone. Jeff Evans On May 22, 2004, at 1:20 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: > Using Loop IV, the EDP can have up to 16 loops but it cannot play more > than one simultaneously. You could create a loop and then copy it to > another and overdub - but you can't record a 30 second loop and then a > separate 20 second loop and play them both simultaneously. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 18:06:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MM5r229773; Sat, 22 May 2004 18:05:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 18:05:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040522150521.0175ff68@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:06:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: asynchronous loops? In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040522111656.00ba8078@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040522111656.00ba8078@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I recall that Bob Sellon's Jamman upgrade does that. Max Valentino would know if that is the case. At 02:49 PM 2004.05.22, Jeff Evans wrote: >Ah. Thanks. That bums me out, though. > >Does anyone make a piece of hardware that can do what I'm looking for - >which is play more than one loop (of different lengths) at a time, each >cycling independently? > >I suppose I could get more than one looping device, and just change the >routing as I go (a tc 2290 is starting to make sense) and mix all the >outputs down to stereo - but I was hoping to satisfy my need in a single >rack space. Oh well. > >Thanks for the feedback, everyone. >Jeff Evans > > >On May 22, 2004, at 1:20 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: > >>Using Loop IV, the EDP can have up to 16 loops but it cannot play more >>than one simultaneously. You could create a loop and then copy it to >>another and overdub - but you can't record a 30 second loop and then a >>separate 20 second loop and play them both simultaneously. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 22 23:18:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4N3I2o14511; Sat, 22 May 2004 23:18:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 23:18:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40B017B4.8080107@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 20:17:08 -0700 From: Ken Axe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031008 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: asynchronous loops? References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040522111656.00ba8078@mail02.powweb.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8FCMz.A.HgD.6eBsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff Evans wrote: > Ah. Thanks. That bums me out, though. > > Does anyone make a piece of hardware that can do what I'm looking for > - which is play more than one loop (of different lengths) at a time, > each cycling independently? > Jeff this may not be what your looking for but ambiloop (software) can do that. of course you would have to trust windows on a laptop live but I'm going to be giving it a shot here in the near future. Windows PC's have been used a lot in live situations and I am willing to use it live (now that I've figured out what makes it (ambiloop) crash. ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 00:03:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4N42GC27154; Sun, 23 May 2004 00:02:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 00:02:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <139.2f64b91e.2de17c0e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 00:01:18 EDT Subject: Re: asynchronous loops? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_139.2f64b91e.2de17c0e_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <9OoYwC.A.8kG.aICsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_139.2f64b91e.2de17c0e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/22/04 5:49:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jeff@sccadv.com writes: > I suppose I could get more than one looping device jeff.....that's the ticket! --part1_139.2f64b91e.2de17c0e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 5/22/04 5:49:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jeff@sccadv.com writes= :


I suppose I could get more than= one looping device


jeff.....that's the ticket! --part1_139.2f64b91e.2de17c0e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 00:23:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4N4Msa32452; Sun, 23 May 2004 00:22:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 00:22:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040523042147.53983.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 21:21:47 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: re: signal path and asynchronous loops To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com responding to both the signal path thread and the asynchronous loop thread.... i finally have my setup basically complete. it's a nice example of a signal path that accomodates asynchronous loops. so i thought i might share. i run all my keyboards (ms2000, poly 6, microkorg, and yamaha electric piano) into a mixer with at least 2 pre-fader aux sends (i use an allen & heath mixwizard). out of this, i have the 2 aux sends feeding 2 effects paths... aux 1 is for pedals. it goes AUX -> digitech whammy -> moogerfooger filter -> guyatone MD2 delay -> boss tr-2 tremolo -> dl4 set as looper -> digitech XDD set as looper. all the pedals are at arm level so i can tweak them, except for the whammy and the moogerfooger expression pedal. aux 2 is for rackmount gear. it goes AUX -> digitech PDS8000 -> electrix mo-fx -> line 6 echo pro set as looper. the loopers are the echo pro, the pds8000, the XDD, and the DL4. so if i start at the ends of the chains and make loops, working backwards, i can get 4 totally asynchronous loops going, with a wide range of delay times. i guess i could use the mofx, too, to get 5. plus the helicopter/UFO landing sounds of the guyatone md2. since the effects chains are pre-fader, i can drop the clean signal out and have it pure effects (nice for that 100% filtered-whammied-tremolo thing). and both effects chains run back into normal channels in the mixer. so i can feed the pedal-chain signal into the rack-chain, or vice versa. and i can fade out either loop-chain seamlessly by bringing the respective channel down. best of all, my band uses no amps-- my guitarist runs into the mixer thru a line 6 POD, and my bassist goes in thru a tech21 bass driver. which means i can drop them into the loops or the effects at will. pretty cool, running the bass player into a tremelo'd whammy against their consent, then looping it........ also, my guitarist has 2 DL4's and a whammy, for his own asynchronous loops.... so that's my setup for asynchronous loops. it's definitely not 1 rack space though. it's taken me a long time to get this setup to this point. so i will take this moment to say THANK YOU to everyone who has answered my inane questions. i have gotten unmeasurable, invaluable advice from this list. my next loop goes out to you guys and gals. also, let me take this opportunity to say that the moogerfooger filter rocks as a replacement for a wah pedal, if you use a good expression pedal for the filter cutoff. especially on clavinet sounds. also let me put in a plug for a few other awesome pieces of gear: the digitech XDD 4-second looper, the godlyke powerall AC adapter, the digitech PDS8000, and the allen & heath mix wizard are all wonderful pieces of gear that i bow down to. a lot of these pieces are things i asked for advice on here on the list. in case you want to hear the setup in action, my band is called "speedball." we don't have any mp3s up yet, but we will soon at http://www.boringmusic.com ... peace y'all.......... dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 01:45:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4N5iAl20475; Sun, 23 May 2004 01:44:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 01:44:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <78.57aaf1b8.2de1940e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 01:43:42 EDT Subject: Re: Digitech PDS8000/PDS2000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_78.57aaf1b8.2de1940e_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_78.57aaf1b8.2de1940e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Come on gang, play nice. I requested an RDS 7.6 manual at one time and had no problems! -Todd --part1_78.57aaf1b8.2de1940e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Come on gang,= play nice.
I requested an RDS 7.6 manual at one time and had no problems! -Todd --part1_78.57aaf1b8.2de1940e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 02:24:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4N6NgD30515; Sun, 23 May 2004 02:23:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 02:23:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040522111656.00ba8078@mail02.powweb.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 23:22:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: asynchronous loops? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1Za3pD.A.-bH.hNEsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:49 PM -0500 5/22/04, Jeff Evans wrote: >Does anyone make a piece of hardware that can do what I'm looking >for - which is play more than one loop (of different lengths) at a >time, each cycling independently? Eventide. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 03:59:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4N7vWn23763; Sun, 23 May 2004 03:57:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 03:57:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <001501c43dc3$633b6350$c8e7d0d9@waggy> References: <013c01c43d99$58a3b1b0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> <5943ABCC-A995-11D8-89C8-000A9599BFB4@chello.se> <014e01c43da3$78684740$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> <8EA63983-A99C-11D8-94F4-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> <200405191358.i4JDwFc13927@hemlock.violacea.com> <057E59FC-A99D-11D8-94F4-000A9599BFB4@chello.se> <017501c43dab$2ac03cc0$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> <001501c43dc3$633b6350$c8e7d0d9@waggy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: upcoming software looper for OS X Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 09:56:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just ran into this and thought it might interest some ppl on the list. Maybe someone has more info on it? http://www.osxaudio.com/index.php?story=919 "Augustus Loop is a looping device. As such, it is probably closer to the Lexicon JamMan than to the Echoplex Digital Pro, in that it essentially offers a very long delay effect rather than the ability to overdub and undo. (Though future versions may bring that functionality as well.)" All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 07:58:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NBvBY25799; Sun, 23 May 2004 07:57:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 07:57:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040522111656.00ba8078@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4213F4E4-ACB0-11D8-BA24-00039383F742@sccadv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: asynchronous loops? Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 06:56:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got an Eventide Eclipse on layaway and will own it in about a week when all my eBay sales are finalized. Is the Eclipse the piece you're referring to? On May 23, 2004, at 1:22 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 4:49 PM -0500 5/22/04, Jeff Evans wrote: > >> Does anyone make a piece of hardware that can do what I'm looking for >> - which is play more than one loop (of different lengths) at a time, >> each cycling independently? > > Eventide. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 08:21:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NCIjW32366; Sun, 23 May 2004 08:18:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 08:18:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c440c0$05534be0$0100a8c0@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: asynchronous loops? Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 13:18:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <89VmrB.A.83H.IaJsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I suppose I could get more than one looping device, and just change the > routing as I go (a tc 2290 is starting to make sense) and mix all the > outputs down to stereo - but I was hoping to satisfy my need in a > single rack space. Oh well. > > Thanks for the feedback, everyone. > Jeff Evans Jeff., just get two loopers, it's the only way to do it effectively. Even if there was a box that did it, you'd be sacrificing other features in order to have that, or you'd be paying through the nose for the unit. I use two Echoplexes, two MPX-G2s and a Kaoss pad, so have up to 5 unsynced loops available (rarely use that many). My signal path can be found in the LD archives, if you're interested. I use a mackie desk to route everything to the various sources... steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 11:26:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NFPvW19625; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:25:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:25:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:27:55 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: asynchronous loops and the DD-20 To: Sean Echevarria , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004401c440da$966583e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040522111656.00ba8078@mail02.powweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sean wrote: > Using Loop IV, the EDP can have up to 16 loops but it cannot play more than > one simultaneously. You could create a loop and then copy it to another > and overdub - but you can't record a 30 second loop and then a separate 20 > second loop and play them both simultaneously. Now isn't this exactly what we've been discussing re. the DD-20? If I understood previous threads correctly, the DD-20 CAN have one loop going, then you can start up a different loop of a different length and have the two grooving along at the same time. The limitations are 1) you can't go back and change the first loop, and 2) the length limit on the DD-20 is about 23 seconds. Could somebody please answer this: how accurate is the time setting on the DD-20? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large, potential buyer of TWO DD-20s coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 11:28:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NFS7R20090; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:28:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:28:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.30.21.217] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jj179subs@hotmail.com From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: asynchronous loops? Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:27:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2004 15:27:36.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[79C79E30:01C440DA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody know where one can still get that upgrade? Is it still available? How much? I would *love* to do simultaneous asynchronous loops in one unit =))) thx, jj >From: Sean Echevarria >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: asynchronous loops? >Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:06:20 -0700 > >I think I recall that Bob Sellon's Jamman upgrade does that. Max Valentino >would know if that is the case. > > >At 02:49 PM 2004.05.22, Jeff Evans wrote: >>Ah. Thanks. That bums me out, though. >> >>Does anyone make a piece of hardware that can do what I'm looking for - >>which is play more than one loop (of different lengths) at a time, each >>cycling independently? >> >>I suppose I could get more than one looping device, and just change the >>routing as I go (a tc 2290 is starting to make sense) and mix all the >>outputs down to stereo - but I was hoping to satisfy my need in a single >>rack space. Oh well. >> >>Thanks for the feedback, everyone. >>Jeff Evans >> >> >>On May 22, 2004, at 1:20 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: >> >>>Using Loop IV, the EDP can have up to 16 loops but it cannot play more >>>than one simultaneously. You could create a loop and then copy it to >>>another and overdub - but you can't record a 30 second loop and then a >>>separate 20 second loop and play them both simultaneously. > _________________________________________________________________ Get 200+ ad-free, high-fidelity stations and LIVE Major League Baseball Gameday Audio! http://radio.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200491ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 11:42:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NFeXw23855; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 17:39:54 +0200 (MEST) From: shocktone@gmx.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Aurisis ? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <32290.1085326794@www61.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, I ordered the Aurisis Loop update some days ago and paid via paypal. I sent an email to them 2 times for the shipping dates and got no reply. I hope this company is still in business. Does anybody know ? Greetings Jens. -- NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgebühr: http://www.gmx.net/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 12:10:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NG6X900327; Sun, 23 May 2004 12:06:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 12:06:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 12:06:10 EDT Subject: Re: asynchronous loops and the DD-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug, In a message dated 5/23/04 8:25:51 AM, coyotelk@optonline.net writes: >> Now isn't this exactly what we've been discussing re. the DD-20? In a word: YES >>Could somebody please answer this: how accurate is the time setting >>on the DD-20? The LED windo is 4 digits and an moving decimal point scheme that changes depending on how long the loop setting is. When you are talking about delays from less than a second up to single didgit seconds it will it will read like: 0.275, 1.534, 5.589, etc., etc., . . . up to 9.999 giving, more-or-less, one thousandth of a second accuracy. I dont know what the shortest setting is ths numbbers above are just examples. When it gets to 10 through 23 it shifts to a display reads like: 10.40, 13.11, 19.42, etc., etc., . . . up to 23.00 The displays accuracy then is in hundredths of a second. For right now that's all I can say without going out and firing up the unit itself. So . . . yes you can definitely do asynchronous loops and have them going alogn as long as you want if the feedback is set to 100 percent. It gets even more fun running two of them together. I feel kind of silly answering questions about a unit that only a few days ago had me totally baffled. But there you have it. Cheers, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 14:45:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NIfJC11919; Sun, 23 May 2004 14:41:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 14:41:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 14:40:01 EDT Subject: Re: signal path and asynchronous loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_be.d6a1fcd.2de24a01_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_be.d6a1fcd.2de24a01_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/23/04 12:22:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dylanhassinger@yahoo.com writes: > i guess i > could use the mofx, too, to get 5 dylan.....i love the loops i can get off of the mofx, in fact for two weeks i forced myself to use just the mofx as my only looper.....i found that lots could be done with it, tweakin the "speed" and "feedback" and just the overall loopiness of it.....in my setup i have not only the mofx but also a 5 sec. looper in my alesis Q2, as well as the 3 five sec. loopers in the zoom 2100 plus my "rang".....my casio cz 5000 has an 8 trac sequencer on board which i think of also as a looper.....my buddy nick has come over several times with his miced classical guitar and plugged into my setup and i looped the both of us, more fun than you can shake a whale at.....i never felt the need to sync up my loopers with that there midi stuff.....there was some talk about PITCHSHIFT the last couple of daze.....I LOVE PITCHSHIFT.....the Q2 can do pitchshift but not to well (to some ears) mine excluded, i like that chipmonk sound!.....the digi "space station", alesis: ineko/bitrman/air-fx, zoom 2100 all will do pitchshift in their own funky ways.....i do not have the scootola for those monster "intlligent" wonderful sounding boxes that are out there.....but i have always said, one can not have enuf loopers and now i'll add pitchshifters tambien.....signal path, my, what a never-ending question that is!.....i know that my system can do much more than i at present can do with it but that's why i practice, no?.....michael --part1_be.d6a1fcd.2de24a01_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 5/23/04 12:22:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dylanhassinger@yahoo.= com writes:


i guess i
could use the mofx, too, to get 5


dylan.....i love the loops i can get off of the mofx, in fact for two weeks=20= i forced myself to use just the mofx as my only looper.....i found that lots= could be done with it, tweakin the "speed" and "feedback" and just the over= all loopiness of it.....in my setup i have not only the mofx but also a 5 se= c. looper in my alesis Q2, as well as the 3 five sec. loopers in the zoom 21= 00 plus my "rang".....my casio cz 5000 has an 8 trac sequencer on board whic= h i think of also as a looper.....my buddy nick has come over several times=20= with his miced classical guitar and plugged into my setup and i looped the b= oth of us, more fun than you can shake a whale at.....i never felt the need=20= to sync up my loopers with that there midi stuff.....there was some talk abo= ut PITCHSHIFT the last couple of daze.....I LOVE PITCHSHIFT.....the Q2 can d= o pitchshift but not to well (to some ears) mine excluded, i like that chipm= onk sound!.....the digi "space station", alesis: ineko/bitrman/air-fx, zoom=20= 2100 all will do pitchshift in their own funky ways.....i do not have the sc= ootola for those monster "intlligent" wonderful sounding boxes that are out=20= there.....but i have always said, one can not have enuf loopers and now i'll= add pitchshifters tambien.....signal path, my, what a never-ending question= that is!.....i know that my system can do much more than i at present can d= o with it but that's why i practice, no?.....michael --part1_be.d6a1fcd.2de24a01_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 15:06:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NJ5Wf17474; Sun, 23 May 2004 15:05:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:05:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4213F4E4-ACB0-11D8-BA24-00039383F742@sccadv.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040522111656.00ba8078@mail02.powweb.com> <4213F4E4-ACB0-11D8-BA24-00039383F742@sccadv.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 12:03:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: asynchronous loops? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:56 AM -0500 5/23/04, Jeff Evans wrote: >I've got an Eventide Eclipse on layaway and will own it in about a >week when all my eBay sales are finalized. Is the Eclipse the piece >you're referring to? No, but I imagine that Eclipse can do that. I am able to do at least two asynchronous loops on the H3000, DSP4000, and Orville. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 15:16:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NJFvX18987; Sun, 23 May 2004 15:15:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:15:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004201c440c0$05534be0$0100a8c0@trucknutz> References: <004201c440c0$05534be0$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 12:12:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: asynchronous loops? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7Rajg.A.MnE.OgPsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:18 PM +0100 5/23/04, Steve Lawson wrote: >Jeff., just get two loopers, it's the only way to do it effectively. Even if >there was a box that did it, you'd be sacrificing other features in order to >have that, or you'd be paying through the nose for the unit. This is arguable. By paying extra for a more capable device you may actually be able to replace several devices, including a mixer. You can now purchase an Eventide DSP4000 for under $1500. This will allow you to do two asynchronous loops along with other effects. If a decent single long delay costs $500 and a decent multieffects unit also costs $500 then you're already at the $1500 point. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 15:24:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NJOSJ20430; Sun, 23 May 2004 15:24:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:24:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 12:16:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: asynchronous loops and the DD-20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:06 PM -0400 5/23/04, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 5/23/04 8:25:51 AM, coyotelk@optonline.net writes: > >>> Now isn't this exactly what we've been discussing re. the DD-20? > >In a word: YES In a couple more words: not necessarily. When I think about working with two asynchronous loops I assume complete independence of the loops. This includes being able to record them both at the same time or at different times and it means being able to modify or re-record each loop freely. I get the impression that the DD-20 is more constrained than that. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 15:42:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NJfNv24789; Sun, 23 May 2004 15:41:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:41:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040523124414.067f6e78@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 12:47:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Aurisis ? In-Reply-To: <32290.1085326794@www61.gmx.net> References: <32290.1085326794@www61.gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_3rv_B.A.TBG.J5PsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Still here. We only received one email from you, and I replied to it a couple of days ago. By the way, the delivery times are explained on the website where you placed your order. kim At 08:39 AM 5/23/2004, you wrote: >Hi guys, > >I ordered the Aurisis Loop update some days ago and paid via paypal. >I sent an email to them 2 times for the shipping dates and got no reply. I >hope this company is still in business. Does anybody know ? > > >Greetings Jens. > > >-- >NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL >Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgebühr: http://www.gmx.net/dsl ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 15:46:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NJjxM26049; Sun, 23 May 2004 15:45:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:45:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <006b01c440fe$7ecdbda0$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> From: "Jens Wolters" To: References: <32290.1085326794@www61.gmx.net> <6.1.0.6.2.20040523124414.067f6e78@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Aurisis ? Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 21:44:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <0WpVmC.A.6VG.k9PsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, mhh. Well sorry for that. I didnt receive any mail from you. But anyway Ill check out your website once again. Greetings Jens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Aurisis ? > Still here. We only received one email from you, and I replied to it a > couple of days ago. By the way, the delivery times are explained on the > website where you placed your order. > kim > > At 08:39 AM 5/23/2004, you wrote: > >Hi guys, > > > >I ordered the Aurisis Loop update some days ago and paid via paypal. > >I sent an email to them 2 times for the shipping dates and got no reply. I > >hope this company is still in business. Does anybody know ? > > > > > >Greetings Jens. > > > > > >-- > >NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL > >Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgebühr: http://www.gmx.net/dsl > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 15:59:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NJwui29812; Sun, 23 May 2004 15:58:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:58:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <77.2a365ae4.2de25c68@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:58:32 EDT Subject: Re: asynchronous loops and the DD-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dr. Z , Okay, you win. The DD-20 is no Eventide -- though I don't exactly really remember ever implying that it was. However, it does (in whatever minimal way) provide 2 potentially asynchronous delay lines -- yes, without those exact features you mention. Funny, I must've missed that part of the thread. I was not aware that they were a requirement for what was being asked about. Sorry, I was only trying to help. I'll keep my own council next time . . . heheh. Best regards, Ted Killian In a message dated 5/23/04 12:24:25 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >When I think about working with two asynchronous loops I assume >complete independence of the loops. This includes being able to >record them both at the same time or at different times and it >means being able to modify or re-record each loop freely. > >I get the impression that the DD-20 is more constrained than that. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 16:49:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NKmAa10787; Sun, 23 May 2004 16:48:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 16:48:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: In Praise of the DL4 Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 13:46:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After trying a set-up of two Line 6 DL4's at loopstock this year, and seeing my brother Rick, and John Whooley, use the same set up at past shows to great effect. I'm damm near convinced this is the best budget looping rig one could have. I understand that some of you have had bad luck with these pedals, as they don't have any kind of input level attenuation control, and yes, if you realy slame the front end you will get distortion. But I have used my 3+ year old DL4 continually, and, other than replacing a footswitch, and cleaning it after I dumped chai on it. DOH!, it has performed like a champ, as has my year old DL4. I've also been through an expression pedal, that I highly recommend if you dig foot control of runaway regeneration, or the ability to fade a loop manually as you play, change delay speed, etc. I know John Whooley has been through at least one DL4, but if you saw him play you would understand why,as he pounds the puppies in to submission. My brother often uses his DL4's in the individual channel inserts of his Mackie mixer, and though I know he has to take some care in not turning up mic preamps too much, they work pretty well, for a floor pedal, designed for instrument level operation. The big bonus, though, is the ability to have two loopers capable of half speed sampling, asynchronous loops, resampling capability, reverse recording capability, etc.. etc.. An idea of what I'm talking about: I record a loop at half speed on one dl4, then I return to normal speed, and its now playing back at twice the tempo speed, sounding an octave above. I then resample that loop onto my other Dl4, again at half speed, and return that loop to normal speed, now I have a loop 2octaves above what I originally sampled it at, and, a loop recorded at 60 bpm would now be playing at 240bpm. Capiche? Imagine the weird resampling weirdness that could be rendered, with 3 DL4s, 4 Dl4s? Yikes! As much as I love my repeater, and its abilty to sync via midi, independent simultaneous tracking,deep midi pc and cc control, and pitch shift capabilities,the list goes on, I get as much thrill out of creating loops on the line 6. There is something magical about the DL4, and refreshing that it is inexpensive, available still, versatile not just as a looper, but as a delay , rugged(in my experience), sound as good as some high priced dedicated loopers, and does'nt require a bulky extra foot pedal, though getting the expression pedal is a must, as far as I'm concerned, as it opens up a whole world of hands free access. Highly recommended. Bill Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 16:50:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NKnjG11279; Sun, 23 May 2004 16:49:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 16:49:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <77.2a365ae4.2de25c68@aol.com> References: <77.2a365ae4.2de25c68@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 13:44:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: asynchronous loops and the DD-20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:58 PM -0400 5/23/04, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >Okay, you win. The DD-20 is no Eventide -- though I don't >exactly really remember ever implying that it was. However, >it does (in whatever minimal way) provide 2 potentially >asynchronous delay lines -- yes, without those exact >features you mention. Funny, I must've missed that part >of the thread. I was not aware that they were a requirement >for what was being asked about. Sorry, I was only trying >to help. I'll keep my own council next time . . . heheh. No pissing contest intended, though I was a little put off by the absolutism of your "In a word: YES" Frankly, I haven't been paying that close attention to these threads, but became interested because the asynchronous delays feature is something that was a formative element of my own practice. My first delay-oriented listening was to Steve Reich's "Come Out" and to Pauline Oliveros's "I of IV," both of which depended on multiple delays. When I started working with digital delays in performance I used a PCM 42 and a Deltalabs DL-4. Each was fed by a separate aux send from a mixer. Therefore the idea of multiple delay lines with complete independence of routing and parameter control was essential to everyting I did. I never did use a setup that is probably the most common: a series connection of instrument -> processor A -> processor B -> [whatever] -> amp. I also never performed beat-oriented music. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 17:21:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NLL2e19088; Sun, 23 May 2004 17:21:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 17:21:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <85BE986A-ACFF-11D8-82AF-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: signal path and asynchronous loops Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 14:24:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out the Lexicon MPX1 for a decent midrange pitchshifter. It does that and a lot more. Mark On May 23, 2004, at 11:40 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/23/04 12:22:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > dylanhassinger@yahoo.com writes: > > > > i guess i > could use the mofx, too, to get 5 > > > dylan.....i love the loops i can get off of the mofx, in fact for two > weeks i forced myself to use just the mofx as my only looper.....i > found that lots could be done with it, tweakin the "speed" and > "feedback" and just the overall loopiness of it.....in my setup i have > not only the mofx but also a 5 sec. looper in my alesis Q2, as well as > the 3 five sec. loopers in the zoom 2100 plus my "rang".....my casio > cz 5000 has an 8 trac sequencer on board which i think of also as a > looper.....my buddy nick has come over several times with his miced > classical guitar and plugged into my setup and i looped the both of > us, more fun than you can shake a whale at.....i never felt the need > to sync up my loopers with that there midi stuff.....there was some > talk about PITCHSHIFT the last couple of daze.....I LOVE > PITCHSHIFT.....the Q2 can do pitchshift but not to well (to some ears) > mine excluded, i like that chipmonk sound!.....the digi "space > station", alesis: ineko/bitrman/air-fx, zoom 2100 all will do > pitchshift in their own funky ways.....i do not have the scootola for > those monster "intlligent" wonderful sounding boxes that are out > there.....but i have always said, one can not have enuf loopers and > now i'll add pitchshifters tambien.....signal path, my, what a > never-ending question that is!.....i know that my system can do much > more than i at present can do with it but that's why i practice, > no?.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 21:43:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4O1gMI21363; Sun, 23 May 2004 21:42:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 21:42:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040524014154.60720.qmail@web41311.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 18:41:53 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN Subject: REMOVE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0405221145415fc88@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1455361885-1085362913=:60355" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1455361885-1085362913=:60355 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM YOUR MAILING LIST --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year --0-1455361885-1085362913=:60355-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 23 21:49:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4O1mgp23394; Sun, 23 May 2004 21:48:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 21:48:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <85BE986A-ACFF-11D8-82AF-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> References: <85BE986A-ACFF-11D8-82AF-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 18:44:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: signal path and asynchronous loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4NyAL.A.HrF.VRVsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:24 PM -0700 5/23/04, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Check out the Lexicon MPX1 for a decent midrange pitchshifter. It >does that and a lot more. How does it do with various types of material at various transposition intervals? Granted, most of my experience has been with higher-end pitch shifters, but I've found that even in that realm some devices do very well with monophonic material a smaller intervals but crap out completely with complex signals and/or at wider intervals. For instance, a few years ago a client thought he'd replace his AMS 1580 with a pair of Eventide H3000s but when he tried to transpose his trumpet down an octave with the 'tide it burbled unusably. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 00:40:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4O4dD800713; Mon, 24 May 2004 00:39:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 00:39:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.2a6efb67.2de2d65c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 00:38:52 EDT Subject: completely off topic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7b.2a6efb67.2de2d65c_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: <3DG5kB.A.6J.lxXsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7b.2a6efb67.2de2d65c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know many people on this list have large music collections and I was wondering if anyone has any storage tips. Right now my 5,000 plus cd collection sits in very nice shelves but they are placed in the basement. I live in Michigan and the recent storms have caused me to rethink this! It would be great if there were 'portable' cd shelves. Maybe something holding 2-3 rows of 50 cds or so made of plastic....sort of like a very shallow plastic milk crate. Any ideas gang? Sorry for the totally off topic nature of the post but the thought of my music collection floating in three feet of flood water has got me motivated! Thanks, -Todd --part1_7b.2a6efb67.2de2d65c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know many p= eople on this list have large music collections and I was wondering if anyon= e has any storage tips.  Right now my 5,000 plus cd collection sits in=20= very nice shelves but they are placed in the basement.  I live in Michi= gan and the recent storms have caused me to rethink this!  
It would be great if there were 'portable' cd shelves.  Maybe somet= hing holding 2-3 rows of 50 cds or so made of plastic....sort of like a very= shallow plastic milk crate.
Any ideas gang?  Sorry for the totally off topic nature of the post= but the thought of my music collection floating in three feet of flood wate= r has got me motivated!  Thanks,  -Todd --part1_7b.2a6efb67.2de2d65c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 00:53:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4O4q3103903; Mon, 24 May 2004 00:52:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 00:52:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7b.2a6efb67.2de2d65c@aol.com> References: <7b.2a6efb67.2de2d65c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:51:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: completely off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Todd, My friend in FL has these: http://www.can-am.ca/cdvideo.htm You can stack them. They're relatively portable, and they are...ahem...at least somewhat water resistant! Jeff p.s. We've been getting hit by the storms, too. Another round came through tonight. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 02:39:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4O6ccL30936; Mon, 24 May 2004 02:38:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 02:38:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c44159$aceacba0$0100a8c0@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: re: asychronous loops? Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 07:38:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 1:18 PM +0100 5/23/04, Steve Lawson wrote: > > >Jeff., just get two loopers, it's the only way to do it effectively. Even if > >there was a box that did it, you'd be sacrificing other features in order to > >have that, or you'd be paying through the nose for the unit. and "Richard Zvonar" replied - > This is arguable. By paying extra for a more capable device you may > actually be able to replace several devices, including a mixer. You > can now purchase an Eventide DSP4000 for under $1500. This will allow > you to do two asynchronous loops along with other effects. If a > decent single long delay costs $500 and a decent multieffects unit > also costs $500 then you're already at the $1500 point. Fair point, I had forgotten about the Eventide stuff. I'd still go with my EDP/MPX-G2 combo over an Orville, but my experience with the Orville (limited to playing with Luca and asking him lots of really arcane questions about what it will and won't do) has been pretty good - he certainly gets some amazing noises out of it. Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 02:41:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4O6f6J31732; Mon, 24 May 2004 02:41:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 02:41:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: <85BE986A-ACFF-11D8-82AF-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: signal path and asynchronous loops Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:44:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good question. It does pretty well doing weird stuff while in the effect loop of the Repeater and my loops can be pretty thick. When I want something more natural sounding I just use the Repeater's pretty excellent onboard pitch shifting abilities. Lately I've just had it after the output of my guitar preamp. It does pretty well there. Mark On May 23, 2004, at 6:44 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 2:24 PM -0700 5/23/04, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> Check out the Lexicon MPX1 for a decent midrange pitchshifter. It >> does that and a lot more. > > How does it do with various types of material at various transposition > intervals? > > Granted, most of my experience has been with higher-end pitch > shifters, but I've found that even in that realm some devices do very > well with monophonic material a smaller intervals but crap out > completely with complex signals and/or at wider intervals. For > instance, a few years ago a client thought he'd replace his AMS 1580 > with a pair of Eventide H3000s but when he tried to transpose his > trumpet down an octave with the 'tide it burbled unusably. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 05:07:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4O96x301793; Mon, 24 May 2004 05:06:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 05:06:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c4416e$6cd4cd30$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <7b.2a6efb67.2de2d65c@aol.com> Subject: Re: completely off topic Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:06:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com : THusken@aol.com asked: I know many people on this list have large music collections and I was wondering if anyone has any storage tips. Right now my 5,000 plus cd collection sits in very nice shelves but they are placed in the basement. I live in Michigan and the recent storms have caused me to rethink this! It would be great if there were 'portable' cd shelves. Maybe something holding 2-3 rows of 50 cds or so made of plastic....sort of like a very shallow plastic milk crate. Any ideas gang? Sorry for the totally off topic nature of the post but the thought of my music collection floating in three feet of flood water has got me motivated! Thanks, -Todd ******************** Case Logic makes some good solutions for this very thing. I have quite a number of the TCD 30's, which predictably hold 30 regular-sized CDs with the end slots useable for those awful double CD cases. They're stackable, and I've had 'em for years without breaking one. http://www.casedirect.com/product_list.asp?SKW=audio-cassette-cd&UID=2004052404595921&menu=00 Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 06:04:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OA3Cn13276; Mon, 24 May 2004 06:03:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 06:03:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c44176$4acb4b80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: In Praise of the DL4 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 03:02:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <3gIqfD.A.BPD.ThcsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to concur with Bill's ringing endorsement of the DL-4. How much I have relied on it came very clear to me during my loop show in San Diego a couple of months ago. I have had my Repeater and my EDP go down on me several times during concerts but I've never had the DL4 not work. On this particular show I turned the unit on and it would not light up. I went out and bought batteries thinking the powersupply was dumped................nada............................long story short I did the show without it. I was paralyzed!!!! I've so taken for granted all the wonderful rhythmic things I can do with half speed/double speed/ timed echoes and retriggering..............I just do them in my sleep now. I too, inpsired by Bill's set at Loopstock, have started hooking up both my DL4s in series................it makes for some wicked beat box/faux jungle effects. I also have to mention the fidelity of the DL 4 which I believe is as good as any unit on the market, past or present. So, in conclusion, it is the first looper I recommend to beginning beginner loopers. Now, damn you Bill for tempting me to buy a third or fourth DL-4!!!!! LOL rick ps I can also tell everyone that they have to go out and see John Whooley perform if they get the chance. I'm going to attempt to lure him back to the Y2k4 Live Looping Festival in October...............he, unfortunately , doesn't live in Santa Cruz anymore.................damn!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 06:04:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OA4An13567; Mon, 24 May 2004 06:04:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 06:04:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <10611.1085250105@www4.gmx.net> References: <23172.1085209894@www44.gmx.net> <10611.1085250105@www4.gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Repeater (was: Pitch Shifter again, Digitech, Bill Frisell ?) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:03:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I tried the Waves pitch shifter (plugin) today with some guitar > sounds.I > have to admit it really sounds terrible. > > So i have the feeling the Repeater is not gonna do it for me. > //////// > > Greetings Jens. > Here's an old audio clip of the Repeater used for bass work (just a quick test of the machine). Here the bass line was played from a guitars bridge pick-up which gives a "plunky" sound. Can make fat sound too, if played with the bridge pick-up. With the Repeater you can keep one track instantly pitched down for bass. Drawbacks with the Repeater is that it's not as fast as some other loopers to cut and paste, since you might get into too high BPM's for the CFC card to handle (that's why I like making short loops on the Repeater, playing it safe, in RAM only). http://www.fuzz.se/repeater/test.mp3 All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 08:44:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OCi4814223; Mon, 24 May 2004 08:44:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 08:44:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-20.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1085402612!12977168 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708534368@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: asynchronous loops? Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:42:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4418C.89E0BB50" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4418C.89E0BB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I think I recall that Bob Sellon's Jamman upgrade does that. Max Valentino would know if that is the case.<< have a look at this: http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/SpecialROMV0_4UsersGuide.doc but I suspect that the answer is "no". this upgrade seriously enhances the jamman's capabilities but I've not installed it in either of my band's units because our guitarist had a hard enough time dealing with the extra memory after the first upgrade I did.... :-) my favourite part about this software is the ability to go between delay & "normal jamman" mode on the fly. it can be configured (clunkily, mind..) to provide a sort of undo. perhaps most amazing, given the constraints of the pre-existing hardware, is the ability to run different loops simultaneously, panned across the stereo output. I'd always assumed the device was essentially mono; my guess now is that the box shared a lot of hardware with other lex boxes. I think the answer to the original question is to get several looping devices. I'd like my repeaters a lot more if they could run two or three different loop-lengths simultaneously..... but at least I can get around this by using both of them together! duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>I think I recall that Bob Sellon's Jamman upgrade= does that.  Max Valentino would know if that is the case.<<

have a look at this:

http://www.stecrecords.c= om/gear/jamman/_04Manual/SpecialROMV0_4UsersGuide.doc

but I suspect that the answer is "no". this upg= rade seriously enhances the jamman's capabilities but I've not installed it= in either of my band's units because our guitarist had a hard enough time = dealing with the extra memory after the first upgrade I did.... :-)<= /P>

my favourite part about this software is the ability to g= o between delay & "normal jamman" mode on the fly. it can be = configured (clunkily, mind..) to provide a sort of undo. perhaps most amazi= ng, given the constraints of the pre-existing hardware, is the ability to r= un different loops simultaneously, panned across the stereo output. I'd alw= ays assumed the device was essentially mono; my guess now is that the box s= hared a lot of hardware with other lex boxes.

I think the answer to the original question is to get sev= eral looping devices. I'd like my repeaters a lot more if they could run tw= o or three different loop-lengths simultaneously.....

but at least I can get around this by using both of them = together!

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4418C.89E0BB50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 09:47:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4ODkPm30897; Mon, 24 May 2004 09:46:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:46:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:32:17 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: asynchronous loops and the DD-20 To: Richard Zvonar , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007901c44195$9fef2900$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted- A thousand thanks for your answers. Now another question, 'tho it's probably already been stated: If I have a loop (long delay at, say, 100% feedback) whirring away and I begin a second asynchronous loop, can I change the feedback level of the first loop? Or can I change its output level? Or is it absolutely frozen in its setting, to be cut off only when I begin a third loop? And just by the way, Dr. Z may note that I too am coming from the Reich/Oliveros experience and using parallel looping signals. But I don't have the coin to own the multi-thousand dollar units he mentioned. Methinks the DD-20 is gonna be my baby, or actually a pair of DD-20s, so that makes 'em twins... or is it quadruplets? Or maybe quadruplets over triplets, considering the asynchronicity.... :-) Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 10:24:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OENPM09254; Mon, 24 May 2004 10:23:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:23:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1085408573.40b2053d82b56@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:22:53 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: asynchronous loops and the DD-20 References: <007901c44195$9fef2900$9715be18@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <007901c44195$9fef2900$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 64.40.76.242 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Douglas Baldwin : > And just by the way, Dr. Z may note that I too am coming from the > Reich/Oliveros experience and using parallel looping signals. But I don't > have the coin to own the multi-thousand dollar units he mentioned. Methinks It's nice to have independantly addressable asynchronous loops, but I remember back when i had a pair of EDPs my tendancy was to build one, go to the other, kill the first, then start over again. The DD-20 is well suited to that way of working. unfortunately they aren't rackmountable easily, so if i went to a pair of those my "JiggaDelay" (the name I coined for any future DD-20-based looping solution for Suit & Tie Guy) would cost more to have cased and racked than to just buy another looper. also, i'm not even sure if the phase-reversal mixing circuit needed to make the dry signal dissappear would work at all. oh well ... I am looking forward to having a matching pair of loopers again soon, i'm going to wait a couple months to see if they'll be PCM-80s (i have one now) or Chameleons. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 10:33:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OEWRF11677; Mon, 24 May 2004 10:32:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:32:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040524143120.3145@mail.st.rim.or.jp> From: ysh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 23:29:54 +0900 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #186 In-Reply-To: <200405240440.i4O4eKG01036@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200405240440.i4O4eKG01036@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: ARENA Internet Mailer 2.2.1 PPC X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think we've seen Os post on this list. Interesting music too, his Darkroom project! -ysh >Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 09:56:28 +0200 >From: Per Boysen >I just ran into this and thought it might interest some ppl on the >list. Maybe someone has more info on it? > >http://www.osxaudio.com/index.php?story=919 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 10:52:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OEpSe16391; Mon, 24 May 2004 10:51:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:51:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <005f01c44176$4acb4b80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <005f01c44176$4acb4b80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <41E617E4-AD92-11D8-82AF-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: In Praise of the DL4 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 07:54:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 24, 2004, at 3:02 AM, loop.pool wrote: > I have had my Repeater and my EDP go down on me several times during > concerts but I've never had > the DL4 not work. > > On this particular show I turned the unit on and it would not light > up. I > went out and bought batteries thinking the > powersupply was > dumped................nada............................long > story short I did the show without it. ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 11:28:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OFQNo25494; Mon, 24 May 2004 11:26:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 11:26:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Re:Pitch Shifter again, Digitech, Bill Frisell ? --> BOSS OC-3, anyone? Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:25:55 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Today I was reading a top review of the "BOSS Super Octave OC-3" in a guitar magazine. Anyone tried it? I think that is a concept I'd like to keep handy - simply pitching my live instrument signal down before running it into my looping rig. When playing more melodic music it's good to be able to rely on instrumental chops and traditional music theory. I'm looking for a more common bass solution, to complement the usual "experimental" ways to tune down loops after recording them (Repeater) or kick into HalfSpeed (EDP). What I'd REALLY would like to have is a double-neck Stratocaster/Jazz-Bass and no bass pedals ;-) By the way, one one of the best bass sounds I've heard, at least for non-funk music, came from Matthias Grob's special hexaphonic guitar pick-up and that Paradis Poly-Sub-Bass unit. But those monsters went out of production long ago. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 11:28:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OFQIl25472; Mon, 24 May 2004 11:26:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 11:26:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040524082400.01d3db98@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 08:25:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: asynchronous loops? In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708534368@LON-MAIL07> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Overview item 1 is: Multiple loops simultaneously. At 05:42 AM 2004.05.24, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>I think I recall that Bob Sellon's Jamman upgrade does that. Max > Valentino would know if that is the case.<< > >have a look at this: > >http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/SpecialROMV0_4UsersGuide.doc > > >but I suspect that the answer is "no". this upgrade seriously enhances the >jamman's capabilities but I've not installed it in either of my band's >units because our guitarist had a hard enough time dealing with the extra >memory after the first upgrade I did.... :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 11:29:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OFRro25937; Mon, 24 May 2004 11:27:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 11:27:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040524082642.01d41b58@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 08:26:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: asynchronous loops? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1yLw7.A.KQG._QhsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Overview item 1 is: Multiple loops simultaneously. At 05:42 AM 2004.05.24, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>I think I recall that Bob Sellon's Jamman upgrade does that. Max > Valentino would know if that is the case.<< > >have a look at this: > >http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/SpecialROMV0_4UsersGuide.doc > > >but I suspect that the answer is "no". this upgrade seriously enhances the >jamman's capabilities but I've not installed it in either of my band's >units because our guitarist had a hard enough time dealing with the extra >memory after the first upgrade I did.... :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 12:12:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OGBTb05918; Mon, 24 May 2004 12:11:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:11:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040524161033.40396.qmail@web21324.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:10:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: asynchronous loops and the DD-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1085408573.40b2053d82b56@www.suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does the DD-20 have a reverse function for a loop? Can you overdub in reverse? How about 1/2 speed? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 12:45:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OGiPE14560; Mon, 24 May 2004 12:44:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:44:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004c01c44159$aceacba0$0100a8c0@trucknutz> References: <004c01c44159$aceacba0$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:40:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: re: asychronous loops? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:37 AM +0100 5/24/04, Steve Lawson wrote: >Fair point, I had forgotten about the Eventide stuff. I'd still go with my >EDP/MPX-G2 combo over an Orville, but my experience with the Orville >(limited to playing with Luca and asking him lots of really arcane questions >about what it will and won't do) has been pretty good - he certainly gets >some amazing noises out of it. The EDP offers a lot of possibilities that none of the Eventides come close to, just as the Eventides offer DSP features the EDP doesn't even attempt to address. It makes no sense to think of them as competing systems. If you want to do sophisticated cumulative-layer looping, "chunk manipulation," quantized phrase looping, or any of its other sophisticated tricks the EDP is the only sensible choice, but if you want a really high powered multi-effects box or a complete system for soundscape generation an Orville or H8000 makes good sense. If I were really a serious looper I'd certainly have two or three EDPs, but for the type of sonic mayhem I generally indulge in my stack o' 'tides works pretty well. Having said that, I put a deposit on one of the new-generation Electro-Harmonix delays. I never had one of the originals, so what the fuck? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 13:26:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OHOCf26073; Mon, 24 May 2004 13:24:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:24:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <82.ca796fa.2de38944@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:22:12 EDT Subject: Re: the asynchronous DD-20 (and OTHER THOUGHTS ON GEAR IN GENERAL) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4OHMPh25758 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug, In a message dated 5/24/04 6:44:59 AM, coyotelk@optonline.net writes: >Now another question, 'tho it's probably already been stated: >If I have a loop (long delay at, say, 100% feedback) whirring >away and I begin a second asynchronous loop, can I change the >feedback level of the first loop? Nope. This is a limitation. Feedback controls apply only to the loop being created/opperated on in the currently dialed up slot. >Or can I change its output level? Or is it absolutely frozen in >its setting, to be cut off only when I begin a third loop? No again. It is frozen in it's settings. Once you've dialed from one delay slot to the next there is no longer any access to change (input or output or feedback) to that first delay. The knobs on the unit now are now in command of the new loop. The old loop will play itself out as long as its feedback generation setting will alow -- or 'til you switch to the 3rd loop slot. These are limitations. A DD-20 can nowhere near do what an Eventide can do. But at $200 to $250 apiece you could buy a lot of DD-20s, RC-20s and DL-4s for the price of an Orville (or whatever). OTHER THOUGHTS ON GEAR IN GENERAL Myself, I'd love an Eventide. I've coveted one for years and years -- ever since I saw Paul Dresher perform. But I also want to keep my marriage intact and shoes on the kids feet and groceries in the cupboard, etc. There are realities and limitations to life. There are some who get to enjoy such things. My hat's off to them. In life, there are some who drive used Fords, Chevys and Plymouths and some who drive new Mercedes Benzs, BMWs and Jaguars. I cannot deny that I feel an ocassional twinge of mild, whistful envy now and again. But, at some point you just have to let these things go and get on with it. I took my 2 DD-20s out and did my first gig with 'em last night. This was an out-of-town gig -- but in front of an audience that had, in fact, heard me play before (with my 16-space rack with multiple EDPs, Vortexes, MIDI'd guitar-synth and samplers all in a stereo setup . . . get the picture, a whole lotta gear). I still got all of the same astonished "ooooohs" ans "ahhhhhs" at the end of the set as before . . . but none of the back pain, only half of the sweat and about a quarter of the settup time. It was a pleasure to play for a change. Hey Rick! Y2K4 here I come! True. I couldn't replicate ANY of the tracks on my CD with this particular settup (not to my satisfaction yet at least). But, it was a totally seamless, trouble-free performance. I enjoyed myself more than I have in a long, long time . . . years probably. I could get used to this. Heheh. In fact, I may play out more often now. I think that, consciously or subconsciously, I have been avoiding performance situations and invitations for a while because it was so damn much trouble to haul all of that gear about. And painful too. I developed an abdominal hernia 2 years ago and only just got it repaired the month before last -- at great expence too, I might add (the price of about 4 or 5 Eventides). I think I'm going to be trying to find satisfaction in smaller, simpler things for a while . . . and try to make a habit of it if I can. I will always enjoy playing with my big rack setup (even if it doesn't have any Eventides in it either). But, I think there is pleasure and beauty to be found in "less" as well as "more." Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 13:37:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OHaGN29657; Mon, 24 May 2004 13:36:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:36:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <15.29bf9a09.2de38c4f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:35:11 EDT Subject: Re: asynchronous loops and the DD-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4OHZMh29434 Resent-Message-ID: <4y_eh.A.JMH.aJjsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary, In a message dated 5/24/04 9:11:04 AM, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: >Does the DD-20 have a reverse function for a loop? It has a "reverse mode" that works a lot like the same feature on BOSS's other small delay pedals. In other words, there is no way to take an existing loop and flip it around backwards as in the EDP (or some other devices). >Can you overdub in reverse? With feedback set high you can add more material to an already backwards-running loop. That new material will also run backwards and there will be a significant lag-time before you actually hear it (depending on the delay length setting). Say if you have the delay set to the max of 23 seconds it will be 23 seconds before you hear any newly-played backwards stuff come back at you -- this can be kind of awkward as I believe the "reverse mode" is permanently set at the factory to run at 100% wet effect. Another unfortunate limitation. >How about 1/2 speed? No. It doesn't do that at all. :-) tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 13:43:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OHgUh31183; Mon, 24 May 2004 13:42:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:42:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c441b6$5235fe20$0100a8c0@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Richard Zvonar" , References: Subject: Re: asychronous loops? Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:41:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <1ngAv.A.MkH.ZPjsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Fair point, I had forgotten about the Eventide stuff. I'd still go with my > >EDP/MPX-G2 combo over an Orville, but my experience with the Orville > >(limited to playing with Luca and asking him lots of really arcane questions > >about what it will and won't do) has been pretty good - he certainly gets > >some amazing noises out of it. "Richard Zvonar" replied > The EDP offers a lot of possibilities that none of the Eventides come > close to, just as the Eventides offer DSP features the EDP doesn't > even attempt to address. It makes no sense to think of them as > competing systems. which is why I mentioned the EDP/G2 combo - given that we were talking about multiple loops at a certain price-point (sorry, I should have made it clearer that that's what I was getting at...) - in very general terms the Eventide gives you loads of processing power, and some cool loop features. My combination of MPX-G2 and EDP gives me lots of looping (all the usual EDP stuff, plus 20 seconds of loop or delay in the G2, including the ability to post process that loop etc...), and the pricing would probably work out a fair bit less than an Orville. No biggie - they would certainly end up sounding and functioning rather differently, and it ultimately would come down to taste... Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 13:45:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OHhg231478; Mon, 24 May 2004 13:43:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:43:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-20.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1085420573!12993344 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D39470853437E@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: asynchronous loops? Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:41:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C441B6.5BB37F40" Resent-Message-ID: <0Nekh.A.QpH.lQjsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C441B6.5BB37F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Overview item 1 is: Multiple loops simultaneously.<< yeah, I saw that... but it doesn't explicitly say that the (upgraded) jamman can do multiple loops /asynchronously/, which was the original question. in fact, now I've reread the bob sellon guide: "Tapping in the First Loop To use the system, you must tap in the loop size that will be applied to all of the loops you use (like the original JamMan). To set the size of the loops, you press the tap button on the "one" of the first measure... " damn. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>Overview item 1 is: Multiple loops simultaneously= .<<

yeah, I saw that... but it doesn't explicitly say that th= e (upgraded) jamman can do multiple loops /asynchronously/, which was the o= riginal question. in fact, now I've reread the bob sellon guide:

"Tapping in the First Loop
To use the system, you must tap in the loop size that wi= ll be applied to all of the loops you use (like the original JamMan). To se= t the size of the loops, you press the tap button on the "one" of= the first measure... "

damn.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C441B6.5BB37F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 14:00:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OHxBh03809; Mon, 24 May 2004 13:59:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:59:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <003e01c441b6$5235fe20$0100a8c0@trucknutz> References: <003e01c441b6$5235fe20$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: asychronous loops? Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:58:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So what I'm gathering from all your posts is that between the Eclipse that should be in my home in a few days (there's no possibility of affording an Orville - I'm pretty much out of things to sell on ebay) and an EDP I should be able to accomplish 3 separate asynchronous loops. As a beginner that should be plenty. I'll just need to work out a nice flexible routing solution. Thanks for all the information Jeff Evans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 14:12:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OIAf106762; Mon, 24 May 2004 14:10:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:10:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <40B23652.4030106@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 19:52:18 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: asychronous loops? References: <003e01c441b6$5235fe20$0100a8c0@trucknutz> In-Reply-To: <003e01c441b6$5235fe20$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >"Richard Zvonar" replied > > >>The EDP offers a lot of possibilities that none of the Eventides come >>close to, just as the Eventides offer DSP features the EDP doesn't >>even attempt to address. It makes no sense to think of them as >>competing systems. >> I fully agree with this. Also, don't forget the interface. To have the chance to control a "dedicated" looper is a very important fact, just think to those delicate moments when you have to act instead of thinking too much (screens over screens to find the control page). I am using a couple of edps since a few months and I have to say they are amazing. I have them synced but it's very interesting to play on the slave one (so that what you do isn't affecting the master one). Think about keep the master going and play some reverse or 1/2 speed or insert a short audio segment on the slave one(this would create two asynchronous loops). They are great. No efx processor I know can do the same, nor any can compete with their interface. luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 14:19:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OIG4W07840; Mon, 24 May 2004 14:16:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:16:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040524191121.027f3ac0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 19:12:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #187 In-Reply-To: <200405241726.i4OHQ3E26472@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200405241726.i4OHQ3E26472@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 18:26 24/05/04, you wrote: >http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/SpecialROMV0_4UsersGuide.doc > > >but I suspect that the answer is "no". this upgrade seriously enhances the >jamman's capabilities but I've not >my favourite part about this software is the ability to go between delay & >"normal jamman" mode on the fly. it can be configured (clunkily, mind..) >to provide a sort of undo. perhaps most amazing, given the constraints of >the pre-existing hardware, is the ability to run different loops >simultaneously, panned across the stereo output. I'd always assumed the >device was essentially mono; my guess now is that the box shared a lot of >hardware with other lex boxes. More or less the same hardware as the Lexicon Alex. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 14:25:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OINRN09894; Mon, 24 May 2004 14:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040524111739.019fb708@mail.creepingfog.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 11:19:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: asynchronous loops? In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D39470853437E@LON-MAIL07> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2M67iB.A.sTC.L1jsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh. It's kinda simliar to the repeater - multiple tracks within a single loop. At 10:41 AM 2004.05.24, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>>Overview item 1 is: Multiple loops simultaneously.<< > >yeah, I saw that... but it doesn't explicitly say that the (upgraded) jamman can do multiple loops /asynchronously/, which was the original question. in fact, now I've reread the bob sellon guide: > >"Tapping in the First Loop >To use the system, you must tap in the loop size that will be applied to all of the loops you use (like the original JamMan). To set the size of the loops, you press the tap button on the "one" of the first measure... " > >damn. > >duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 14:30:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OIQB810443; Mon, 24 May 2004 14:26:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:26:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.4edfa2d8.2de39810@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:25:20 EDT Subject: Re: In Praise of the DL4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4OIPVh10316 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Rick and Bill! I never meant to seriously "dis" the DL4. I was just personally unhappy in my own experience of the device. You guys (and several others I know) are making BEATIFIC music with them. My "best pal in all of the world," trumpeter and label owner, Jeff Kaiser, uses 2 in-series in his setup. He seems a completely satisfied customer. Who am I to argue. I owned mine for 14 months (so it was 2 months out of warrantee when I discovered it was dead). It seemed to (ever-so-slighly) roll-off the high-end when I used it between instrument and amp . . . and seemed to occasionally have an annoying high-end "sizzle" when used it line-level in the amp's FX loop. I was never able to find a perfect, happy medium. It might have been my particular unit. I don't know. Given the other fellow's comments on how his died. I wonder if I "fried" mine -- overdriving it by using it in the FX loop of the amp -- perhaps it was my own fault after all. I only played 2 gigs with it and did everything else I could to "baby" it in every other way. It still hardly has a scratch on it (it looks practically new). Seriously, the DL4 does do things that no other looper in it's price range can touch. But, my own particular unit proved problematic for me. When push came to shove, and after finding that it was likely going to cost almost as a much as an eBay-priced used one to repair (before shipping charges) I'm afraid I gave in to the slightly cheaper (new) DD-20 with it's 5-year warrantee and ample line-level headroom. As I've said in my other recent posts, the move to the DD-20 has proved useful (so far) for me. If one of those "craps-out" on me we'll have another whole new discussion on our hands I guess. Heheh. It's early in the game. It may happen yet. Who knows. In the meantime, who can question that John Whooley, the Walker brothers (among may others) are making some pretty damn serious and amazing noises with those little green DL4s of theirs. Not me. :-) tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 16:11:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OKAPe08426; Mon, 24 May 2004 16:10:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:10:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040524200824.23211.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:08:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: asynchronous loops and the DD-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <15.29bf9a09.2de38c4f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/24/04 9:11:04 AM, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > > >Does the DD-20 have a reverse function for a loop? > > It has a "reverse mode" that works a lot like the same > feature on BOSS's other small delay pedals. In other > words, there is no way to take an existing loop and flip it > around backwards as in the EDP (or some other devices). Ok, so it sounds like it's not comperable to the Line6 DL4 in that regard. > Say if you have the delay set to the max of 23 seconds > it will be 23 seconds before you hear any newly-played > backwards stuff come back at you -- this can be kind > of awkward as I believe the "reverse mode" is permanently > set at the factory to run at 100% wet effect. Another > unfortunate limitation. Doesn't sound very useful. Makes you wonder why they bothered... > >How about 1/2 speed? > No. It doesn't do that at all. Another nice plus for the DL4. Sounds like I need one of each. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 16:27:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OKQRQ10253; Mon, 24 May 2004 16:26:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:26:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: asychronous loops (and the Clavia G2) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:25:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c441cd$3f4341d0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003e01c441b6$5235fe20$0100a8c0@trucknutz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone here checked the Clavia Nord Modular G2 for its looping capabilities? For the original Nord Modular, the no-loop factor was the limited delay RAM, which they have as I understand it increased in the G2. However, neither the manual nor the editor offer information as to the maximum available delay time. There is 2.7s per module, but no info how many modules you can chain, alas. But IF the available number of 2.7s delays is at least somewhere in the numbers ~10, this would make the G2 (among other things) a super-flexible looper, including the possibility to preprogram operation macros, include other effects, synthesizers, step sequencers - you name it! So, experiences anybody? Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 16:36:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OKYY511196; Mon, 24 May 2004 16:34:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:34:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: In Praise of the DL4 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:32:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7d.4edfa2d8.2de39810@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeh yeh sure Ted, Don't think I dont know your agenda, I'm gonna get you Killian, I'm gonna GET YOU!!!!!!Ha ha ha ha ha! Seriously, one irritating thing I've discovered about thye DL4, is that if you happen to break a cap off of one of the footswitches, you will actually start to drive the footswitches plunger harder down on to the PC board, which can eventually cause problems. (cracked PC board anyone?) I think the point I was trying to make is that every hardware looper on the market has some vulnerability. Take the Repeater for instance, its not only prone to the ocassional crash or freeze; most people, myself included, rely on the affordable yet poorly made behringer FCB1010, to control the Repeater live. This was another reason I opted not to drag my big rig to Loopstock this year: I was afraid my FCB1010 might take a dump mid-performance. I believe it is power supply related problem, as sometimes it turns on and some times it don't. Recently I had a problem with input level fluctuation on my JamMan. As it turned out, oxidation on the contacts of the input jacks was the culprit, and a little spritz of de-oxit did the trick. I think Roseanne Roseannadanna put it best, "It's always something" Bill -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 11:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In Praise of the DL4 Yo Rick and Bill! I never meant to seriously "dis" the DL4. I was just personally unhappy in my own experience of the device. You guys (and several others I know) are making BEATIFIC music with them. My "best pal in all of the world," trumpeter and label owner, Jeff Kaiser, uses 2 in-series in his setup. He seems a completely satisfied customer. Who am I to argue. I owned mine for 14 months (so it was 2 months out of warrantee when I discovered it was dead). It seemed to (ever-so-slighly) roll-off the high-end when I used it between instrument and amp . . . and seemed to occasionally have an annoying high-end "sizzle" when used it line-level in the amp's FX loop. I was never able to find a perfect, happy medium. It might have been my particular unit. I don't know. Given the other fellow's comments on how his died. I wonder if I "fried" mine -- overdriving it by using it in the FX loop of the amp -- perhaps it was my own fault after all. I only played 2 gigs with it and did everything else I could to "baby" it in every other way. It still hardly has a scratch on it (it looks practically new). Seriously, the DL4 does do things that no other looper in it's price range can touch. But, my own particular unit proved problematic for me. When push came to shove, and after finding that it was likely going to cost almost as a much as an eBay-priced used one to repair (before shipping charges) I'm afraid I gave in to the slightly cheaper (new) DD-20 with it's 5-year warrantee and ample line-level headroom. As I've said in my other recent posts, the move to the DD-20 has proved useful (so far) for me. If one of those "craps-out" on me we'll have another whole new discussion on our hands I guess. Heheh. It's early in the game. It may happen yet. Who knows. In the meantime, who can question that John Whooley, the Walker brothers (among may others) are making some pretty damn serious and amazing noises with those little green DL4s of theirs. Not me. :-) tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 16:41:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OKcit11785; Mon, 24 May 2004 16:38:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:38:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Pitch Shifter again, Digitech, Bill Frisell ? --> BOSS OC-3, anyone? Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:38:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Per, Ive checked out the OC3 and it works very well. If what you are after is simple faux bass capability this would indeed be a good unit to have. I think you would enjoy using that more than wearing a double neck guitar/bass around your neck. Unless of course you enjoy back spasms Ha! Ha! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:boye@chello.se] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 8:26 AM To: Loopers Subject: Re:Pitch Shifter again, Digitech, Bill Frisell ? --> BOSS OC-3, anyone? Today I was reading a top review of the "BOSS Super Octave OC-3" in a guitar magazine. Anyone tried it? I think that is a concept I'd like to keep handy - simply pitching my live instrument signal down before running it into my looping rig. When playing more melodic music it's good to be able to rely on instrumental chops and traditional music theory. I'm looking for a more common bass solution, to complement the usual "experimental" ways to tune down loops after recording them (Repeater) or kick into HalfSpeed (EDP). What I'd REALLY would like to have is a double-neck Stratocaster/Jazz-Bass and no bass pedals ;-) By the way, one one of the best bass sounds I've heard, at least for non-funk music, came from Matthias Grob's special hexaphonic guitar pick-up and that Paradis Poly-Sub-Bass unit. But those monsters went out of production long ago. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 16:47:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OKjSW12745; Mon, 24 May 2004 16:45:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:45:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <34E4CE4A-ADC3-11D8-8845-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter again, Digitech, Bill Frisell ? --> BOSS OC-3, anyone? Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:44:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-05-24, at 22.38, William Walker wrote: > Hey Per, Ive checked out the OC3 and it works very well. If what you > are > after is simple faux bass capability this would indeed be a good unit > to > have. I think you would enjoy using that more than wearing a double > neck > guitar/bass around your neck. Unless of course you enjoy back spasms > Ha! > Ha! > Bill Yep! ;-) I should have put a smiley there! Beside audio latency, one thing I do hate is heavy instruments. I almost lost became de-capitalized during a period as barytone sax player in a soul band. L-O-L.... I'll go to check out the OC3 at the music store the other day. Thanx. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 17:24:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OLMle19399; Mon, 24 May 2004 17:22:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:22:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <48C47D21-ADC8-11D8-A5C0-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: In Praise of the DL4 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:21:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 24, 2004, at 1:32 PM, William Walker wrote: > Seriously, one irritating > thing I've discovered about thye DL4, is that if you happen to break a > cap > off of one of the footswitches, you will actually start to drive the > footswitches plunger harder down on to the PC board, which can > eventually > cause problems. (cracked PC board anyone?) Didn't you say in an email that you never had problems with a DL4....? Anyway, the DD-20 does have really excellent footswitches IMO. Quiet and seemingly well made. I have to say Rick, that when seeing you perform live the KA-CHUNK of the DL-4 over some of your quieter acoustic instruments and toys was a bit of a distraction. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 18:11:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OMASI30765; Mon, 24 May 2004 18:10:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:10:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: the asynchronous DD-20 (and OTHER THOUGHTS ON GEAR IN GENERAL) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:08:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <82.ca796fa.2de38944@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tEd, This whole less-is-more-in-a-live-setup thread has got me inspired. What exactly are you bringing out to gigs now? RC-20, (2) DD-20, small amp in mono are all I can recollect off-hand... Would you mind describing, say, your signal chain used on your last gig in gruesome detail? (brand name of distortion, amp, yadda yadda) :-) (a million apologies if you've done this already) I had terrible gear when I was a teenager - Gorilla amp, a few DOD pedals, a Digitech delay pedal (my first foray into loops!), the guitar was an 80's Les Paul rip off bought from Sears of all places... Just the worst of the worst. But I'll be damned if good gobs of fun weren't had, some of my best musical memories involved the use and abuse of that "junk". This truism has been repeated on this list again and again, but since we're all used to hearing things repeated...: There is use in making things (including signal chains) simple, if only for a while. Especially for gear geeks like me who do have a real interest in making music, but who also have a lust for "gearish" stuff of any kind and may serve themselves better by focusing that lust into something cooler like restoring a '65 Pontiac GTO. :-)~~~ I just put in an order for one of those Korg PXR4 battery operated 4-track recorders. I've got a full blown computer recording system, it's got everything, it is sweet! But I resist using it because in order to operate the thing I have put myself into a state of mind that interferes with my own creative process. The fun is easily missed, know what I mean? Quality be damned (at least for now), I just want to record some stuff. (and put off getting that Kurzweil KSP8 another couple of years. I wonder if I'll make it that long... :-) ) Thanks tEd! Jim Poppen tEd ® kiLLiAn says: snip > >I still got all of the same astonished "ooooohs" ans "ahhhhhs" >at the end of the set as before . . . > snip > > I think I'm going to be trying to find satisfaction in smaller, > simpler things for a while . . . and try to make a habit of it > if I can. I will always enjoy playing with my big rack setup > (even if it doesn't have any Eventides in it either). But, I think > there is pleasure and beauty to be found in "less" as well > as "more." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 18:32:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OMV1r00617; Mon, 24 May 2004 18:31:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:31:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:29:23 -0700 Subject: Re: asychronous loops? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is true AND I have to say I REALLY love my EDP- Eclipse combination It fits in 3 Rack spaces(including the pedals) and sounds great. Scott Kungha Drengsen On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Jeff Evans wrote: > So what I'm gathering from all your posts is that between the Eclipse > that should be in my home in a few days (there's no possibility of > affording an Orville - I'm pretty much out of things to sell on ebay) > and an EDP I should be able to accomplish 3 separate asynchronous > loops. As a beginner that should be plenty. I'll just need to work out > a nice flexible routing solution. > > Thanks for all the information > Jeff Evans > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 18:45:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4OMiQG02421; Mon, 24 May 2004 18:44:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:44:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.140.8.2] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: In Praise of the DL4 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:42:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2004 22:42:39.0202 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AB62C20:01C441E0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "William Walker" >This was another reason I opted not to drag my big rig to Loopstock >this year: I was afraid my FCB1010 might take a dump mid-performance. You should've brought it, but put a picture of George Bush or something beneath it. That way if it took a dump mid-show, at least you'd have some performance art! Bad jokes aside, the only thing I think is sorely lacking from the DL-4 is the ability to determine how many repeats it takes for a loop to fade out. Not only does that require me to manipulate the volume knob with my big toe at the end of a set, but it'd make for some nice variety while layering too. _________________________________________________________________ Best Restaurant Giveaway Ever! Vote for your favorites for a chance to win $1 million! http://local.msn.com/special/giveaway.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 19:53:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4ONpJG14428; Mon, 24 May 2004 19:51:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 19:51:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040524234948.9342.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Herman Subject: Re: completely off topic (CD storage) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7b.2a6efb67.2de2d65c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5ZY_jD.A.jbD.ioosAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Military surplus metal ammo boxes are very nice for durability and waterproof-edness (at least they seem to be...), and they come in a variety of sizes. Matt Herman funender.com/music/herman --- THusken@aol.com wrote: > I know many people on this list have large music > collections and I was > wondering if anyone has any storage tips. Right now > my 5,000 plus cd collection > sits in very nice shelves but they are placed in the > basement. I live in > Michigan and the recent storms have caused me to > rethink this! > It would be great if there were 'portable' cd > shelves. Maybe something > holding 2-3 rows of 50 cds or so made of > plastic....sort of like a very shallow > plastic milk crate. > Any ideas gang? Sorry for the totally off topic > nature of the post but the > thought of my music collection floating in three > feet of flood water has got me > motivated! Thanks, -Todd > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 20:25:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4P0NR020320; Mon, 24 May 2004 20:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 20:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040525002233.68844.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:22:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re:Pitch Shifter again, Digitech, Bill Frisell ? --> BOSS OC-3, anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll probably try Matthias' own Chopitch VST first: http://www.chopitch.com/ Paolo --- Per Boysen wrote: > Today I was reading a top review of the "BOSS Super > Octave OC-3" in a > guitar magazine. Anyone tried it? I think that is a > concept I'd like to > keep handy - simply pitching my live instrument > signal down before > running it into my looping rig. When playing more > melodic music it's > good to be able to rely on instrumental chops and > traditional music > theory. > > I'm looking for a more common bass solution, to > complement the usual > "experimental" ways to tune down loops after > recording them (Repeater) > or kick into HalfSpeed (EDP). > > What I'd REALLY would like to have is a double-neck > Stratocaster/Jazz-Bass and no bass pedals ;-) By > the way, one one of > the best bass sounds I've heard, at least for > non-funk music, came from > Matthias Grob's special hexaphonic guitar pick-up > and that Paradis > Poly-Sub-Bass unit. But those monsters went out of > production long ago. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 20:47:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4P0k3b22691; Mon, 24 May 2004 20:46:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 20:46:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: In Praise of the DL4 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:45:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <48C47D21-ADC8-11D8-A5C0-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually I was just implying that with the right amount of force, one could conceivably crack the pc board, if the cap has come off a DL4 footswitch. This has not happened to me. Also, putting your batteries in the wrong way can kill a DL4. I've seen it done. Its been talked about at length that the line 6 switches are noisy, but it does'nt bother me, a little clickety click is like tiny claves to my ears! I was simply praising the creative virtues of the DL4. I also felt rather liberated to know that if the unthinkable happened and I loose the use of my Repeater or Jamman, and could'nt afford to replace them, I could still have a lot of creative possibilities with a pair of DL4s. Its build quality is, relatively speaking, rugged, from my experience. I'm sorry some of you have'nt had good luck. Regarding the head room, I know, and have seen, several people from this list use and overuse the DL4, in many instances to very creative effect. I also know that when overloading the input of any DSP device, you can potentially blow the front end. Bill From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 2:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In Praise of the DL4 On May 24, 2004, at 1:32 PM, William Walker wrote: > Seriously, one irritating > thing I've discovered about thye DL4, is that if you happen to break a > cap > off of one of the footswitches, you will actually start to drive the > footswitches plunger harder down on to the PC board, which can > eventually > cause problems. (cracked PC board anyone?) Didn't you say in an email that you never had problems with a DL4....? Anyway, the DD-20 does have really excellent footswitches IMO. Quiet and seemingly well made. I have to say Rick, that when seeing you perform live the KA-CHUNK of the DL-4 over some of your quieter acoustic instruments and toys was a bit of a distraction. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 20:58:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4P0w6a24010; Mon, 24 May 2004 20:58:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 20:58:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:55:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: In Praise of the DL4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:45 PM -0700 5/24/04, William Walker wrote: >Actually I was just implying that with the right amount of force, one could >conceivably crack the pc board, if the cap has come off a DL4 footswitch. It's good for people to know that when it comes to foot switches, what you see is not necessarily what you get. In most switches I've examined, the sturdy-looking metal switch you click on with your foot actually presses on a much more fragile switch that is mounted directly on the circuit board. This is certainly true of Line6 switches and Digitech switches. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 24 22:57:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4P2ucf07923; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:56:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:56:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1085443737.40b28e99b2dba@webmail.unpronounceable.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:08:57 -0700 From: dave@unpronounceable.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: completely off topic (CD storage) References: <20040524234948.9342.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040524234948.9342.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.91.56.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Matt Herman : > Military surplus metal ammo boxes are very nice for > durability and waterproof-edness (at least they seem > to be...), and they come in a variety of sizes. I hear that rare Stradivarius Cellos make good CD holders: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/05/19/rare.cello.ap/index.html :-) - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 00:15:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4P4EA319173; Tue, 25 May 2004 00:14:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 00:14:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040525041339.54390.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Herman Subject: Re: completely off topic (CD storage) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1085443737.40b28e99b2dba@webmail.unpronounceable.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6-E5wC.A.1qE.4fssAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- dave@unpronounceable.com wrote: > I hear that rare Stradivarius Cellos make good CD > holders: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/05/19/rare.cello.ap/index.html SCARY! --matt __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 00:39:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4P4cYN23401; Tue, 25 May 2004 00:38:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 00:38:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040525043707.33894.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Herman Subject: Re: the asynchronous DD-20 (and OTHER THOUGHTS ON GEAR IN GENERAL) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <82.ca796fa.2de38944@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I very much agree. There's a time and a place for pretty much everything, I believe, including large racks full of processors. However, a single classical guitarist can be engaging for an entire performance with just, yes, a single guitar. Now, I personally feel much more comfortable having more delay devices, rather than less, to accompany me, but this is just due to my insecurity! The real magic, I feel, is in the performer's hands, the instrument, and a select few signal processing devices. What's great is when the equipment BECOMES another instrument, which is probably why us loopers tend to have so much of it! A lot of nice equipment CAN sound great, but is such a hassle for a single person to maintain/soundcheck/setup/breakdown/etc during a performance. The less I have to do equipment-wise before playing, the better. Now, I'm tended to cite guitar, as it's the instrument I've grown on (before migrating to the Stick a couple years ago): if you've ever heard music from both Leo Kottke and Derek Bailey, you KNOW the vast range of sounds to come out of one instrument! Anyway, as I step down from my soapbox, I'd just like to say that none of this is a knock on the state of looping, or electronic music in general, but a firm belief in "less is more." matt herman funender.com/music/herman --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > I took my 2 DD-20s out and did my first gig with 'em > last night. > This was an out-of-town gig -- but in front of an > audience that > had, in fact, heard me play before (with my 16-space > rack with > multiple EDPs, Vortexes, MIDI'd guitar-synth and > samplers all in > a stereo setup . . . get the picture, a whole lotta > gear). > >> I think I'm going to be trying to find satisfaction > in smaller, > simpler things for a while . . . and try to make a > habit of it > if I can. I will always enjoy playing with my big > rack setup > (even if it doesn't have any Eventides in it > either). But, I think > there is pleasure and beauty to be found in "less" > as well > as "more." > > Cheers, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 02:44:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4P6hui13382; Tue, 25 May 2004 02:43:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 02:43:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 02:43:23 EDT Subject: Re: OTHER THOUGHTS ON GEAR IN GENERAL (gear lists) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4P6hUh13300 Resent-Message-ID: <1M3NZC.A.DQD.TsusAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim, In a message dated 5/24/04 3:10:28 PM, zebu@cox.net writes: >Would you mind describing, say, your signal chain used on your >last gig in gruesome detail? (brand name of distortion, amp, >yadda yadda. Ehhh? Do you know wat yer askin? Well, this is gonna be the exact opposite of a "cool" gear list. It's very pedestrian, dull, even embarrassing stuff. Lets start with the embarrassing: A Behringer "Blue Devil" amp that I feel weird just owning because it's so cheesy. But, I picked it up for a price I couldn't refuse and it works. Basically it's a 2-channel 65 watt closed-back 1x12 solid-state combo with about the equivalent of a Zoom 909 (yuck) built into it for onboard FX (of which I only use the reverb). It does have a real nice squeaky-clean sound (great for acoustic guitar) on channel one -- dubbed "Heaven" on the left side of the faceplate. Then it has an ALMOST useless overdrive channel -- dubbed the "Hell" channel on the right side of the faceplate. Get the idea? It's no swanky "tonemeister" amp at all. It has a remote pedal for switching channels and turning the FX (reverb) on and off. It was cheap and semi-functional for a home practice amp for me and my kids. That was basically why I got it originally. I have usually just played through rack-mounted Marshall or Seymour Duncan poweramps (part of the "big rig" mentality) and four 1x12 Duncan cabs for the previous several years. It's a big change for me . . . or should I say small change. On the guitar side is the same old blonde '77 Gibson RD Artist I've been playing since I got it new, way back when -- well it does have Duncans on it now and a Kahler trem and a Roland GK-2 hex pickup that it has accumulated over the years -- it's become a bit of a "Borg" guitar actually. It's also got a built-in combination preamp and compressor circuit (not the one it came with but a different one). Between the two of these points are just a very few things: 1. A Boss WP-20G "Wave Processor" for the hex pickup -- used almost exclusively for polyphonic "slow gear" type effects. It's other options are silly and pretty useless. 2. A standard run-of-the-mill Ernie Ball volume pedal. 3. A new Model "C" Sustainiac. I don't leave home without it. 4. 10 feet of good cable to the amp input. 5. 2 Boss DD-20s in the FX loop of the amp. If you'll remember, I took back the RC-20 after one day of fiddling with it and got the second DD-20 and $47 in change. 2 loopers -- both capable of multiple synchronous or asynchronous delays are much better than one. I don't use a distortion pedal . . . the amp essentially has one in it when I use the "Hell" channel. I adjust this so that it is as "clean" as I can get it (and it's still quite distorted, heheheh) and that's the distortion that I use. For both channels I boost the low and hi frequencies significantly and "scoop" the mids just a little bit. That's really all there is to tell. If you wanna get real anal, I use GHS strings and a combination of Dunlop and Ernie Ball metal banjo picks on my thumb and first 3 fingers. I used to be very partial to Energizer batteries but I have become more budget-conscious over the years and will now use any alkaline that's discount-priced or my wife has a coupon for. Heheheh. I use a heavy, concave-profile brass slide (when I use a slide) and I've been a avid user of Ebows since 1980. Aren't you sorry you asked? Well, it does go to show that it ain't the price or "coolness" of the gear that makes things work. About the only thing in this setup I'd be devastated to lose is the guitar itself. Everything else is more-or-less still readily available. I'd hate to have to spend the money mind you . . . but it could be done . . . and I wouldn't feel like I'd had my aorta cut out or anything. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 02:47:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4P6kiK14010; Tue, 25 May 2004 02:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 02:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <20040525002233.68844.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040525002233.68844.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <32813EF1-AE17-11D8-A598-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter again, Digitech, Bill Frisell ? --> BOSS OC-3, anyone? Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:46:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you. I've tried it and it's not what I'm looking for. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On 2004-05-25, at 02.22, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I'll probably try Matthias' own Chopitch VST first: > > http://www.chopitch.com/ > > Paolo > > --- Per Boysen wrote: >> Today I was reading a top review of the "BOSS Super >> Octave OC-3" in a >> guitar magazine. Anyone tried it? I think that is a >> concept I'd like to >> keep handy - simply pitching my live instrument >> signal down before >> running it into my looping rig. When playing more >> melodic music it's >> good to be able to rely on instrumental chops and >> traditional music >> theory. >> >> I'm looking for a more common bass solution, to >> complement the usual >> "experimental" ways to tune down loops after >> recording them (Repeater) >> or kick into HalfSpeed (EDP). >> >> What I'd REALLY would like to have is a double-neck >> Stratocaster/Jazz-Bass and no bass pedals ;-) By >> the way, one one of >> the best bass sounds I've heard, at least for >> non-funk music, came from >> Matthias Grob's special hexaphonic guitar pick-up >> and that Paradis >> Poly-Sub-Bass unit. But those monsters went out of >> production long ago. >> >> All the best >> >> Per Boysen >> --- >> http://www.boysen.se >> http://www.looproom.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 03:11:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4P7Ahw18364; Tue, 25 May 2004 03:10:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 03:10:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [69.106.225.188] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Big Sur Experimental Music Festival Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 00:10:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2004 07:10:20.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[573586E0:01C44227] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's an event that may interest some. It contains looping musicians, as well as avant-jazz, electronic, noise, and experimental music. THE BIG SUR EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC FESTIVAL 2004 PRESENTS: Sound/Shift and The Anais Nin Video & Film Diary Festival Friday, May 28, 8:30pm to 10:30pm (Video) Saturday, May 29, noon to 7pm (Music); 8:30pm to 10:30pm (Video) Sunday, May 30, noon to 7pm (Music) Henry Miller Memorial Library Highway One Big Sur, California USA 831-667-2574 http://www.henrymiller.org/ $10 for 1 day / $15 for both days / $30 festival pass (This is a benefit for the Henry Miller Memorial Library). We are really excited about the diversity of talent and good nature that make up this year's event, as well as the addition of The Anais Nin Video & Film Diary Festival. We hope that this is an awesome experience for everybody involved, as both participant and spectator. The music portion of the festival is organized on the Sound/Shift concept, which is ideal for bringing musicians from different geographies, ideologies, and experience together with no aesthetic constraints other than that the music be wholy (holy?) improvised in order to discover the musical outer limits as a new common ground. We hope to have an extremely varied experience, one that stretches perceptual, psychological, and social boundaries. This year Sound/Shift Big Sur 04 is collectively creating two large compositions with each day consisting of a 7 hour single "piece" (subsets that create an ongoing larger piece). At the time of writing this (a week before the show), there are over 99 musicians scheduled with the equivalent of 80 different ensembles. This event may be the largest grouping of free improvising musicians ever attempted in North America. BIG SUR SOUND/SHIFT04 FEATURES THE FOLLOWING MUSICIANS: 99Hooker--sax/spoken word, New York Ausberto Acevedo--double bass, San Francisco Joe (MetaMan) Balesteri--trumpet/laptop, San Francisco Bob Bellerue--feedback/homemade electronics/flutes, Los Angeles Jorge Boehringer--violin/electronics, Oakland CJ "Reaven" Borosque--noise pedals, El Cerrito Mitchell Brown--electro-acoustics, Los Angeles Lara Bruckmann--voice, Bay Area Kyle Bruckmann--oboe/english horn/suona, San Francisco Jon Brumit--turntable, Oakland Jared Butler--guitar/fx, Santa Rosa Leticia Castaneda--various electronics & objects, Los Angeles Chris Cory--sax/electronics, Sebastopol Andre Custodio--synth, Pleasant Hill Matt Davignon--drum machine, Oakland Bryan Day--guitar/taisho-goto/self-built, Omaha NE Ernesto Diaz-Infante--acoustic guitar, San Francisco Thomas Dimuzio--sampler, San Francisco Tom Djll--trumpet, Bay Area Tim DuRoche--drums, Portland David Dupuis--upright bass, Bay Area James Edmiston--upright bass, Palo Alto Dina Emerson--voice, Bay Area Helena Espvall-Santoleri--cello, Philadelphia Cuca (aka Maria) Esteves--computer/objects/bandoneon, Los Angeles Philip Everett--percussion/autoharp, San Francisco Marcos Fernandes--electronics/percussion, San Diego Leah Fenimore--banjo/tapes, San Francisco Scott Fraser--electric guitar, Los Angeles Eric Glick Rieman--prepared rhodes piano, Berkeley Lance Grabmiller--laptop, San Francisco Will Grant--electronics, Larkspur Jonathon Grasse--7-string brazilian guitar, Los Angeles Phillip Greenlief--soprano saxophone, Bay Area Joseph Hammer--tape, Los Angeles Emily Hay--flutes/voice, Los Angeles Greg Headley--guitar/electronics, Los Angeles Ron Heglin--trombone, Berkeley Matt Herman--stick, San Francisco Damon Holzborn--guitar/electronics, San Diego Jonathan Horne--guitar, Bay Area Wayne Jackson--laptop/circuit bend toys, Santa Cruz David Javelosa--synth, Santa Monica David Kendall--laptop/found electronics, Los Angeles Kitundu--phonoharp, San Francisco Scot Gresham-Lancaster--electronics, Bay Area Craig Latta--double theremin, Palo Alto Markus Launsburry--guitar/electronics/percussion, Chicago Marina Lazzara--voice/guitar/fx, San Francisco Bill Leikam--percussion, Palo Alto Claudia Lehan--percussion, San Francisco David "d.bug" Leikam--synthesizer/electric bass, Palo Alto Nathan Levine--double bass, Seattle Scott R. Looney--laptop, Oakland Fred Malouf--guitar/electronics, Bay Area Bob Marsh--mutil-instruments, El Cerrito Ben McAllister--guitar/circuit-bent Instruments, Seattle Marianne McDonald--harp, Oakland Thollem McDonas--electric piano, Pacifica Kristen Miltner--laptop, San Francisco Polly Moller--flute/vocals, Bay Area Luis Monne--guitar/pedals/voice, Santa Monica W.T. Nelson--homemade synth & hurdy gurdy, Los Angeles Hal Onserud--bass, Santa Barbara Albert Ortega--amplified resonant objects/laptop/oscillators, Los Angeles Jesse Quattro--voice, San Francisco Alwyn J.S. Quebido--electric guitar, San Francisco Jeff Ridenour--double bass, Los Angeles Jason Robinson--sax/electronics, San Diego Rent Romus--sax/things, El Cerrito Jess Rowland--AM radio, San Francisco mp3 LX Rudis--synth, San Francisco Jonah Rust--guitar/theremin/keyboard/saw/samples, Santa Monica Thomas Scandura--electronic percussion, Oakland Ignaz Schick--electronics, Berlin, Germany Jeff Schwartz--upright bass, Los Angeles Jason Shanks--laptop/windsynth/sax, East Bay John Shiurba--electric guitar, Oakland Robert Silverman--theremin, Oakland Simon Wickham-Smith--digital media, Oxford, U.K. Michael Sokolowski--violin/synth, Charlottesville, Virginia Moe! Staiano--percussion, Bay Area Marjorie Sturm--flute, San Francisco Ron Thompson--guitar, Bay Area Steven Tobin--vox/harmonium, San Francisco Carolyn Torrente--alto sax, San Francisco Cory Thrall--Juno 60 synth, percussion, Santa Rosa Toyoji Tomita--trombone, Oakland Max Valentino--bass guitar/loops, Tehachapi CA Douglas C Wadle--trombone, Bay Area Seth Warren--percussion, Bay Area Ellen B Weller--flute/sax/fife/recorder/clarinet, San Diego Marc Williams--sax/guitar, Bay Area Theresa Wong--cello, Danville Ian Yeager--electric guitar, Rohnert Park Alex Yeung--guitar, San Francisco Aaron Ximm--field recordings, San Francisco For a complete schedule and more info please visit: http://www.paxrecordings.com/News_events/soundshiftbigsur.html The first-ever Anais Nin Video & Film Diary Festival of personal first-person narratives (no sexual or political limits) will be taking place on Friday the 28th and Saturday the 29th at 8:30pm. Works by Amy Happ, Gabriela Bohm, John Church, Marjorie Sturm, Monica Gazzo, and Caveh Zahedi will be featured. For a full schedule of the film festival, please visit: http://www.paxrecordings.com/News_events/filmprogram.html _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 03:31:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4P7V8s21292; Tue, 25 May 2004 03:31:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 03:31:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <10672537.1085470210943.JavaMail.www@wwinf0901> From: francois Reply-To: francois.kobe@wanadoo.fr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Music with Repeater ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52716_26795067.1085470210939" X-Originating-IP: [159.50.101.9] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:30:10 +0200 (CEST) Resent-Message-ID: <0khnSD.A.SKF.JYvsAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_Part_52716_26795067.1085470210939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello !=20 After playing with Boss RC-20 and Lexicon JamMan, i play now with a Electri= x Repeater !=20 It's a great loops machine !=20 You can listen what i do with it :=20 http://korma2.free.fr/mp3/demo_ebow_loop.mp3 (with an ebow and an US Strat = !)http://korma2.free.fr/mp3/compo01_korma.mp3 (with takamine nylon) Good listenning ! Fran=E7ois http://korma.free.fr ------=_Part_52716_26795067.1085470210939 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello !

After playing with Boss RC-20 and Lexicon JamMan, i play now with a Elec= trix Repeater !

It's a great loops machine !

You can listen what i do with it :

http://korma2.free.fr/mp3/demo_ebow_loop.mp3 (with an ebow and an US Str= at !)http://korma2.free.fr/mp3/compo01_korma.mp3 (with takamine nylon)

Good listenning !

Fran=E7ois

http://korma.free.fr

 ------=_Part_52716_26795067.1085470210939-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 03:52:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4P7pfu24524; Tue, 25 May 2004 03:51:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 03:51:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [69.106.225.188] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: A-B switch Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 00:50:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2004 07:50:17.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBF62D70:01C4422C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just thought I'd mention this in case some people hadn't discovered yet. I found that shelling out the $ for a simple A-B switch was exactly what was needed for some of my equipment setups. It allows me to switch between one effects chain (A DL-4) and another (2 DFX 94's) without unplugging things, and without them feeding into one another. Also, I get to have my rhythmic elements (DL-4) and pitch/time-bending elements (DFX94) both work with the same instrument (now a drum machine). Matt _________________________________________________________________ Learn to simplify your finances and your life in Streamline Your Life from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0405streamline.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 04:42:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4P8g8m02351; Tue, 25 May 2004 04:42:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 04:42:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2F51D740-AE27-11D8-A598-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: A-B switch Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:40:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which A-B box did you go with? I've been looking into this area but find the stuff from http://www.lehle.com/ a bit expensive. Are there cheaper alternatives? All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On 2004-05-25, at 09.50, matt davignon wrote: > Just thought I'd mention this in case some people hadn't discovered > yet. I found that shelling out the $ for a simple A-B switch was > exactly what was needed for some of my equipment setups. It allows me > to switch between one effects chain (A DL-4) and another (2 DFX 94's) > without unplugging things, and without them feeding into one another. > Also, I get to have my rhythmic elements (DL-4) and pitch/time-bending > elements (DFX94) both work with the same instrument (now a drum > machine). > > Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 05:06:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4P968N07828; Tue, 25 May 2004 05:06:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 05:06:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #1927554 Message-ID: <001c01c44237$71ca89f0$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> From: "Jens Wolters" To: References: <2F51D740-AE27-11D8-A598-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Subject: Re: A-B switch Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:05:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.tonetoys.de/de/The_Black-Switch.html check out this one. its an A/B switch/true pass and much more. sorry just in german. greetings jens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: Re: A-B switch > Which A-B box did you go with? I've been looking into this area but > find the stuff from http://www.lehle.com/ a bit expensive. Are there > cheaper alternatives? > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.boysen.se > http://www.looproom.com > > > On 2004-05-25, at 09.50, matt davignon wrote: > > > Just thought I'd mention this in case some people hadn't discovered > > yet. I found that shelling out the $ for a simple A-B switch was > > exactly what was needed for some of my equipment setups. It allows me > > to switch between one effects chain (A DL-4) and another (2 DFX 94's) > > without unplugging things, and without them feeding into one another. > > Also, I get to have my rhythmic elements (DL-4) and pitch/time-bending > > elements (DFX94) both work with the same instrument (now a drum > > machine). > > > > Matt > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 05:23:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4P9MKw10665; Tue, 25 May 2004 05:22:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 05:22:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <001c01c44237$71ca89f0$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> References: <2F51D740-AE27-11D8-A598-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> <001c01c44237$71ca89f0$4f42fea9@yourwe00mbdwhn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: A-B switch Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:21:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-05-25, at 11.05, Jens Wolters wrote: > http://www.tonetoys.de/de/The_Black-Switch.html > check out this one. > > its an A/B switch/true pass and much more. > sorry just in german Alles gut! ;-) Vielen dank! All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 09:14:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4PDDcq22837; Tue, 25 May 2004 09:13:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:13:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:49:36 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: the asynchronous DD-20 (and OTHER THOUGHTS ON GEAR IN GENERAL) To: ArsOcarina@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006b01c4425a$56dc8940$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <82.ca796fa.2de38944@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted- Thanks so much for your replies. They were very clear and detailed, exactly what I needed to get a clearer picture of what the DD-20 can/can't do. And I'm totally with you on the "multiple DD-20s vs. one Orville" tip. Good looping to you! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 09:16:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4PDFi823124; Tue, 25 May 2004 09:15:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:15:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:12:03 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-X-Sender: smaug@pine.servidores.unam.mx To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looking to buy a Repeater! In-Reply-To: <48C47D21-ADC8-11D8-A5C0-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Message-ID: References: <48C47D21-ADC8-11D8-A5C0-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Once again, if anyboy has a repeater for sale,please contact me. Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 12:17:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4PGEZB27414; Tue, 25 May 2004 12:14:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 12:14:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGcgAmJ0SX8ttbRixqWzzKHivxnrDZ5uU70Eltq9PBFDpQ== X-Originating-IP: [63.188.176.128] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:11:01 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Pitch Shifter again, Digitech, Bill Frisell ? --> BOSS OC-3, anyon e? X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20040525.091133.22793.78240@webmail23.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2269833862 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I have the OC3 and I love it. It has some cool qwerky sounds that feed into a chorus or flange quite well. It is worth checking out! weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 12:52:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4PGq6k32604; Tue, 25 May 2004 12:52:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 12:52:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <20040525.091133.22793.78240@webmail23.nyc.untd.com> References: <20040525.091133.22793.78240@webmail23.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter again, Digitech, Bill Frisell ? --> BOSS OC-3, anyon e? Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:50:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <7W_bM.A.v5H.nl3sAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2004-05-25, at 18.11, Weg wrote: > > Hi all, > I have the OC3 and I love it. It has some cool qwerky sounds that > feed into a chorus or flange quite well. It is worth checking out! > weg Cool! I'll check out my bank and then I'll check out OC3 and then I'll see what is going to happen ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 12:53:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4PGq3M32601; Tue, 25 May 2004 12:52:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 12:52:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040525165134.29486.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:51:34 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re:Pitch Shifter again, BOSS OC-3, anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200405250711.i4P7Bhi18499@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per, I have not tried the Boss OC-3. Though I do have a Boss PS-5 Super Shifter. This baby will shift your pitch up or down in fixed amounts of M2nd, m3rd, M3rd, 4th, 5th, 8ve, and double 8ve. And this is one of 5 modes it has. There's also an intellegent pitch shifter (harmonizer) with user definable keys to choose from, a detune mode to fatten up the sound, a tremelo arm effect, and a flutter effect. Speed control and wet dry are arranged as a dual concentric pot. It's really way too much stuff shoved into one box. I tend to use it in only one mode per session. The sound quality is pretty good, I can get an almost realistic 12 string guitar type effect from it with careful wet/dry mixing, as well as a killer bass or double bass sound. Worth checking out. New they run around $125 if you shop carefully. Stephen Today I was reading a top review of the "BOSS Super Octave OC-3" in a guitar magazine. Anyone tried it? I think that is a concept I'd like to keep handy - simply pitching my live instrument signal down before running it into my looping rig. When playing more melodic music it's good to be able to rely on instrumental chops and traditional music theory. I'm looking for a more common bass solution, to complement the usual "experimental" ways to tune down loops after recording them (Repeater) or kick into HalfSpeed (EDP). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 18:11:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4PM9IV23842; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040525220743.71634.qmail@web50909.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:07:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: avant-reptilian modernist fusionhead nu member says hi... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-15466289-1085522863=:69608" Resent-Message-ID: <-JSZB.A.UyF.0O8sAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-15466289-1085522863=:69608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi everyone... I was just referred to this list among the top for learning more about studio production stuff, and will most likely be just a lurker here as my main focus has been guitar studies and "lower end" Lexicon - haven't gotten into formal recording yet but trying to gather some resources... but I didn't want to be rude and not introduce myself. Also I'm involved in a London project designing electric guitars and basses. My main focus is to continue to develop my own newly emerging music style, the nu fusion genre of "avant-reptilian modernist jazz electronica." Flame wars have always been a guilty pleasure of mine, because after long hours of repetitive fretboard time I find it a quite lovely and uniquely cathartic way to blow off steam. Especially given the oceans of bland conformist inertia one so often encounters online. So now as an alternative to that I've created a forum especially for music flamers which is to be found at:musicflames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com . We're really having fun with this and also quite alot of eclectic music info is being exchanged, so I make a point of mentioning it around. There is no moderation and no forms of censorship of any kind.Absolutely anything goes. We're trying to create a haven for the most outspoken,wild, willful,outsider,obnoxious, self-involved, overdramatic, provocative,posessed, disposessed,driven and far out forumheads and just sorta put pedal to the metal/ kick the tires to test known parameters of social order,karma,natural law and FCC jurisdiction and from that emerging madness/creative chaos find new inspiration for our own personal music aspirations. This is for serious flameheads only.Archaic notions like tact, political correctness,mindless conformism and band/artist hero-worship,reason and ability to consider validity of other music tastes beyond one's own immediate reptilian gratification will not be tolerated. Where unsubscription ends, we are only beginning... Peace, Love and Pyrotechnics, Monica --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --0-15466289-1085522863=:69608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi everyone...
     I was just referred to this list among the top for learning more about studio production stuff,
and will most likely be just a lurker here as my main focus has been guitar studies and "lower
end" Lexicon - haven't gotten into formal recording yet but trying to gather some resources...
but I didn't want to be rude and not introduce myself.
Also I'm involved in a London project designing electric guitars and basses.
My main focus is to continue to develop my own newly emerging music style, the nu fusion genre of "avant-reptilian modernist jazz electronica." Flame wars have always been a guilty pleasure of mine, because after long hours of repetitive fretboard time I find it a quite lovely and uniquely cathartic way to blow off steam. Especially given the oceans of bland conformist inertia one so often encounters online. So now as an alternative to that I've created a forum especially for music flamers which is to be found at:musicflames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com . We're really having fun with this and also quite alot of eclectic music info is being exchanged, so I make a point of mentioning it around. There is no moderation and no forms of censorship of any kind.Absolutely anything goes. We're trying to create a haven for the most outspoken,wild, willful,outsider,obnoxious, self-involved, overdramatic, provocative,posessed, disposessed,driven and far out forumheads and just sorta put pedal to the metal/ kick the tires to test known parameters of social order,karma,natural law and FCC jurisdiction and from that emerging madness/creative chaos find new inspiration for our own personal music aspirations. This is for serious flameheads only.Archaic notions like tact, political correctness,mindless conformism and band/artist hero-worship,reason and ability to consider validity of other music tastes beyond one's own immediate reptilian gratification will not be tolerated. Where unsubscription ends, we are only beginning...
 
Peace, Love and Pyrotechnics,
Monica
 

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Messenger --0-15466289-1085522863=:69608-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 25 21:43:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4Q1NXL19256; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:23:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:23:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: RE: completely off topic (CD storage) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:18:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20040525041339.54390.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow that is amazing. i have been following that story. i live in la but i didn't know it was fo9und. damon -----Original Message----- From: Matt Herman [mailto:mnhad1978@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 9:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: completely off topic (CD storage) --- dave@unpronounceable.com wrote: > I hear that rare Stradivarius Cellos make good CD > holders: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/05/19/rare.cello.ap/index.html SCARY! --matt __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 26 00:29:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4Q4SGm15250; Wed, 26 May 2004 00:28:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:28:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:13:32 -0400 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Sound insulating doors in a studio space Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, My wife and I are buying a house, and we know that there is some sound leakage between the room that will be my studio and the room that will be our bedroom. The leakage is almost entirely through the doors, so our first pass at dealing with it will be to put sound insulation on the studio and bedroom doors. Anyone have suggestions on suitable material that is reasonably easy to put up, looks reasonable, and can be taken down without damage should we sell the house at some time in the future? If you are Boston based, and do, or know someone who does, this kind of work, please let me know. Thanks. -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 26 04:12:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4Q8B7724713; Wed, 26 May 2004 04:11:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 04:11:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b301c442f8$f64b7740$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: letter from Timothy Crowe Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 01:10:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got a very nice letter today from Timothy Crowe, the looping percussionist who lives in San Francisco and is beginning to gig once a week up there. I really was intrigued and stimulated by what he had to say about live looping and asked him if I could reproduce it here. It would be interesting to see what peoples' responses are. Here it is............thanks for sending it, Timothy. snippet of a letter to Rick Walker: " You know like i do that live looping is full of potential. i believe it's the most cathartic, liberating creative form of expression alive. it's so immediate and yet you can stand out from what you just did and be in the 3rd person. this is phenomenal. it's much like painting to me. you see your work and make an adjustment. a musician alone can't do this live. a dj can't make executive decisions about the actual source being delivered. so to me this is the shit. i'm gonna keep doing it till i don't. and at this point not doing it is not an real option..... .... rhythm is in my opinion the most important part of live looping. live looping is a rhythm itself. think of how many times you've seen a technical glitch. this is a corruption of the ryhthm and the spirit gets lost and suddenly we're brought back into "oh yeah this is a human using technology". the rave/dj scene has brought to us the continuum much like an african drum troupe. the binary stage to audience five minute song then clap days were rewritten because of the dj. the dj learned to work the energy of the spirit itself. when you take a record that's been worked on for months by someone else and mix it with another one then source is not the issue. it's the composition. i love this shit. but it drove away the musician. live looping reunites these two for me personally. and burningman has been the space for ultra creativity and exploration rewarded with love by people who are there to see/hear beautiful attempts which may end up in disaster. at bm there is no such thing as a disaster it's all courageous beauty. from working hard at my craft on the playa has come the visions and auralisions. so now i'm trying to bring it all together for myself. the most important instrument in all of this is the speaker. without it there's no livelooping, dj's, rock shows. the actual sound is just as important to me as what i'm doing with it. i feel that most people out there are so wrapped up into their own way of making music that they've forgotten to pay attention to the physics of sound itself. i find myself describing live looping as where musician, dj and engineer all come together. i've always been a happy/mad scientist so thank goddess this technology is here. i'd be doing something else with my time if it wasn't." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 26 09:35:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4QDYaF02764; Wed, 26 May 2004 09:34:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:34:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.21408a43.2de5f6cf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:34:07 EDT Subject: completely off topic (CD storage) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e6.21408a43.2de5f6cf_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: <1Zq0dD.A.zp.YzJtAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e6.21408a43.2de5f6cf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a quick thanks to all for the help with my storage query.....and a thanks to the list in general for being such a constant source of info and inspiration. I cannot believe the Stradivarius cello story and what a near disaster that could have been! thanks again everyone, Todd --part1_1e6.21408a43.2de5f6cf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a quick=20= thanks to all for the help with my storage query.....and a thanks to the lis= t in general for being such a constant source of info and inspiration.
I cannot believe the Stradivarius cello story and what a near disaster t= hat could have been!  
thanks again everyone,  Todd --part1_1e6.21408a43.2de5f6cf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 26 10:05:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4QE4a113119; Wed, 26 May 2004 10:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:04:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c4432a$52210680$27f4ded1@paulaz4ikjae9k> From: To: Subject: using vg8 with a repeater Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:04:10 -0400 Organization: BlueFrog.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01C44308.CA88D160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C44308.CA88D160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone use a vg8 with the Repeater? I'd be interested in any = comments on this experience: how you've got your rig set up, how you use = them together live, etc. Thanks! ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C44308.CA88D160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C44308.CA88D160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 26 11:08:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4QF6jX02630; Wed, 26 May 2004 11:06:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:06:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <291FB8A3-AF26-11D8-B14F-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Sound insulating doors in a studio space Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:05:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you sure it is through the door, and not around its edges? Even a tiny air gap can let a lot of sound through. So, you might try closed-cell foam weatherstripping around the edges, and a "squeegee-like" rubber threshold strip on the the bottom of the door to seal the crack above the floor. The trick then becomes making sure the latch is adjusted properly, and the door is stiff enough, to seal tightly against the resistance of the weatherstripping. If all that doesn't address your problem, the best thing for reducing sound transmission (a different problem than reducing sound reflection within a room) is simply mass. If the doors are hollow-core, lightweight types, replacing them with solid wood doors is my suggestion. But first I'd take a close look at the door seal. An acoustician friend used to say, "if it won't hold water, it won't hold sound". Good luck, Alex S. On May 25, 2004, at 9:13 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > Hi, > > My wife and I are buying a house, and we know that there is some sound > leakage between the room that will be my studio and the room that > will be our bedroom. The leakage is almost entirely through the doors, > so our first pass at dealing with it will be to put sound insulation > on the studio and bedroom doors. > > Anyone have suggestions on suitable material that is reasonably easy > to put up, looks reasonable, and can be taken down without damage > should we sell the house at some time in the future? If you are Boston > based, and do, or know someone who does, this kind of work, please let > me know. > > Thanks. > -- > > "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two > opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the > ability to function." > > F. Scott Fitzgerald > > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at > http://www.foryourhead.com > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 26 12:01:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4QG0mQ19849; Wed, 26 May 2004 12:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:00:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Spaceranger \(E-mail\)" Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: using vg8 with a repeater Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:56:49 -0600 Message-ID: <000a01c4433a$0e055090$5b0710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <006201c4432a$52210680$27f4ded1@paulaz4ikjae9k> Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jupiter.selectservers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stewardandking.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a vg-88 + sundry into my Repeater. I use the control room out from my mixer (auxes used for other) to feed the Repeater's inputs and patch the spdif output from the Repeater back into the mixer on two input channel faders. Incidentally, I haven't EVER noticed that annoying 'drive noise' glitch that I used to when recording to CC. Yay! I'm able to loop live using the CC card for the first time ever without noise, I'm abusing the priviledge, ha! Haven't pushed the operations that hard yet (i.e. no rapid reverse toggles, instant tempo changes, etc.), but it works. I have an alesis airfx in the Repeater's fx loop. I patch EVERYTHING into a digital mixer (midi controlled) with adat I/O to Layla interface. I like this because I detach two adat cables and my rig is mobile. Plugin two adat cables and I've got 8 digital ins to Cubase, and 8 digital channel/busses back (as well as 8x8 analog un/balanced on the Layla for additional patching). vg-88 goes into mixer and also some combination of mixer aux outputs (4, 2 stereo to Vortex and Lexicon MPX1) for fx'ing. I change patches on the mixer and control the Repeater with an FCB1010 footcontroller. vg-88 is fed by mag pickup output (which is also routed to GT-6) and Gk-2. Funnily enough, I almost never use overdriven/crunch patches. I just turn everything on and go to town, honestly, it's very easy to never do the same thing twice. *shrug* ;-) With the mixer I can try a number of things out, which is where I've played around the most recently. I have one 'bread and butter' Repeater bank on the 1010 footcontroller, and then some oddball Repeater ones, and also presets to change mixer settings. I usually just grab tones with different frequency squatting space and surf ... One thing I do a lot is use two Repeater tracks for 'fixed' material and two tracks for transitory material. And the switch at some point and make the transitory material the 'fixed' material via feeback control (from 1010) and vice versa. I highly recommend a mixer and some kind of aux routing to incorporate the Repeater. You don't want to have your vg-8 going direct thru the Repeater, but in a parallel path thru a mixer, et. al. Have fun! -----Original Message----- From: mizfeldman@bluefrog.com [mailto:mizfeldman@bluefrog.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: using vg8 with a repeater Does anyone use a vg8 with the Repeater? I'd be interested in any comments on this experience: how you've got your rig set up, how you use them together live, etc. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 26 13:30:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4QHTq608148; Wed, 26 May 2004 13:29:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:29:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.140.8.2] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A-B switch Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:29:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2004 17:29:13.0887 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6B252F0:01C44346] Resent-Message-ID: <0FDO5B.A.v9B.wPNtAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's currently packed up in a suitcase for Big Sur, but it was a Morley switch that was $50 at Guitar Satan (sorry, guitar center). It was a little more than I was hoping to pay, given the faily simple electronics. The good things are that it can choose A, B, or A+B, it has a little light to tell you which one you're on, and thiat while it requires a 9v battery, it's only to power the LED light. From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: Re: A-B switch >Which A-B box did you go with? I've been looking into this area but find >the stuff from http://www.lehle.com/ a bit expensive. Are there cheaper >alternatives? _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 26 15:07:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4QJ5Fl01905; Wed, 26 May 2004 15:05:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:05:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040526114202.01c732e8@nightviewer.com> X-Sender: mbarrs@nightviewer.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:03:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mike Barrs Subject: Re: using vg8 with a repeater In-Reply-To: <006201c4432a$52210680$27f4ded1@paulaz4ikjae9k> References: <006201c4432a$52210680$27f4ded1@paulaz4ikjae9k> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: <-VtlbD.A.Wc.7oOtAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 07:04 AM 5/26/2004, you wrote: > Does anyone use a vg8 with the Repeater? I'd be interested in any > comments on this > experience: how you've got your rig set up, how > you use them together live, etc. Thanks! I have a VG-88, and I just run the stereo outputs straight into the Repeater line inputs. From there, the Repeater's stereo output goes to a Roland stereo volume pedal (line level "keyboard" type pedal), and then to a pair of powered Mackie SRM450 PA speakers. That's it. I need the stereo VOL pedal because the Repeater doesn't have a master output volume, and it's the last thing in line before the powered speakers. I use the pedal to mute the speakers, or make small adjustments in overall level. This is dirt-simple and easy to set up, but then my looping is extremely basic, compared to what a lot of folks on this list are doing. :) The one thing I might change, and this is related to "Spaceranger's" comments about not running directly through the Repeater... would be to add a 1u rackmount stereo line mixer to the setup. Maybe something like the Ashley LX308B. When you run the main signal directly into the Repeater it adds a 9ms. delay, even on the "live" sound. I've managed to adapt to that, but it would be nice to split the Repeater off as a side-chain effect. Unfortunately the VG-88 doesn't have an FX loop (I REALLY hope the next version, if there ever is one, includes a configurable external FX loop). What I would do with a line mixer is split the stereo output from the VG-88 into four signals, run one stereo pair straight into the mixer, and the other pair into the Repeater, and then into the mixer. The LX308B has a headphone output, and also a master volume that would let me get rid of the stereo volume pedal. I've just been too lazy to get this system together. I've also considered a full-blown digital mixer, where I could put the Repeater on an AUX send and have Midi pedal control over lots of parameters. But that's probably overkill for what I do. ------------------------------------ Mike Barrs mbarrs@nightviewer.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 26 19:52:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4QNq6O14020; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:52:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:52:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c4437c$d4e687a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: Sound insulating doors in a studio space Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:54:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.177.31] at Wed, 26 May 2004 18:51:39 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Emile - Doors and windows expose air-leaks. Double pained windows clearly keep traffic noise to a minimum. Recording studios will often have two doors separated by a small gap. This helps to insulate airflow. The lower the frequency, the harder it is to bloc, as the wave length seems to pass, uninterrupted, through most materials. Lead is an expensive option, but does stop the low frequency "pass-through" A common problem is a "bass-full" zone being created in the corners of rooms. This can be ruinous to mixes as well as a neighbors' sleep. Anyway, here are a few links I came across from a google of -- sound insulation studio corners I hope something here can help. http://www.auralex.com/acoustic_foam_cornerfills/acoustic_foam_cornerfills.asp http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/tech_background/TE-14/teces_14.html http://www.acoustics101.com/types_of_rooms_gateway.htm http://www.kellyindustries.com/speakers/guide_to_sound_proofing.html Good luck! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:13 AM Subject: Sound insulating doors in a studio space > Hi, > > My wife and I are buying a house, and we know that there is some > sound leakage between the room that will be my studio and the room > that will be our bedroom. The leakage is almost entirely through the > doors, so our first pass at dealing with it will be to put sound > insulation on the studio and bedroom doors. > > Anyone have suggestions on suitable material that is reasonably easy > to put up, looks reasonable, and can be taken down without damage > should we sell the house at some time in the future? If you are > Boston based, and do, or know someone who does, this kind of work, > please let me know. > > Thanks. > -- > > "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two > opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the > ability to function." > > F. Scott Fitzgerald > > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at > http://www.foryourhead.com > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 26 20:37:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4R0avZ22734; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:36:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 20:36:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040527003618.46067.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:36:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Sound insulating doors in a studio space To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1b-2PC.A.giF.DgTtAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" wrote: > My wife and I are buying a house, and we know that there is some > sound leakage between the room that will be my studio and the room > that will be our bedroom. The leakage is almost entirely through the > doors, so our first pass at dealing with it will be to put sound > insulation on the studio and bedroom doors. > > Anyone have suggestions on suitable material that is reasonably easy > to put up, looks reasonable, and can be taken down without damage > should we sell the house at some time in the future? If you are > Boston based, and do, or know someone who does, this kind of work, > please let me know. Regular stick-on weatherstripping will help seal the doors, but the biggest sound leak will usually be at the bottom, since interior doors don't usually have a threshold. Adding a threshold with a rubber seal will help quite a bit. Replacing the hollow core interior door with a solid core (exterior) door can help quite a lot too. If that doesn't give you enough sound reduction, you may have to consider things like adding a false wall a few inches inside one of the rooms, to provide more isolation. Possibly with added mass if bass transmission is a problem. Auralex makes a limp-mass vinyl product that could be helpful without taking a lot of extra space. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 26 23:18:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4R3HZL18836; Wed, 26 May 2004 23:17:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:17:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40B55DC1.1090006@finleysound.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 20:17:21 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OTHER THOUGHTS ON GEAR IN GENERAL (gear lists) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0t0nN.A.FmE.E3VtAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > 1. A Boss WP-20G "Wave Processor" for the hex pickup -- > used almost exclusively for polyphonic "slow gear" type > effects. It's other options are silly and pretty useless. Hey Ted, Can you get that 80's Andy Summers/Robert Fripp guitar synth sound with the WP-20G? Matt -- www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 01:01:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4R511l06865; Thu, 27 May 2004 01:01:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:01:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c443a7$954f5420$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: re: A-B switch recommendations Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:00:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0081_01C4436C.E8C0B990" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C4436C.E8C0B990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just use a simple morley a/b switch which works fine. I'd love to have a box (perhaps it would have to be custom made that = would give you A or B or A feeds B or B feeds A but I imagine one could do that just as easily with a patch bay. Jon Wagner uses one very effectively and I even bought one but still = haven't hooked it up yet. Auf Wiedersehen, meine freunde Rick ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C4436C.E8C0B990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C4436C.E8C0B990-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 01:09:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4R58WN08005; Thu, 27 May 2004 01:08:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:08:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:07:57 -0700 Subject: OT: Lexicon Reflex manual? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just picked up a used Lexicon Reflex. Unfortunately, it has no manual. Does anyone on the list have one and would you be willing to make me a copy, please? Off-list replies are probably best. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 01:16:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4R5FmF09314; Thu, 27 May 2004 01:15:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:15:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:15:37 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Lexicon Reflex manual? From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.lexiconpro.com seems to be down right now, but I just found a link suggesting that it may be available there. Sorry to trouble everyone. Mark on 5/26/04 10:07 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: > I just picked up a used Lexicon Reflex. Unfortunately, it has no manual. > Does anyone on the list have one and would you be willing to make me a copy, > please? Off-list replies are probably best. > > Thanks. > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 03:23:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4R7MNb01295; Thu, 27 May 2004 03:22:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 03:22:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: using vg8 with a repeater Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:23:20 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000a01c4433a$0e055090$5b0710ac@ws42554> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the instructive description! I am curious what mixer you are using. Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Manveru [mailto:manveru@stewardandking.net]On Behalf Of > Spaceranger (E-mail) > Sent: Mittwoch, 26. Mai 2004 17:57 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: using vg8 with a repeater > > [snip] > > I patch EVERYTHING into a digital mixer (midi controlled) with adat I/O to > Layla interface. [snip] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 04:46:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4R8jKe14977; Thu, 27 May 2004 04:45:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 04:45:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brian Hamlin" To: Subject: RE: Sound insulating doors in a studio space Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:44:06 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001b01c4437c$d4e687a0$0affff0a@hppav> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2004 08:43:44.0641 (UTC) FILETIME=[B836EF10:01C443C6] Resent-Message-ID: <_1FZy.A.JoD.-oatAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a rule of thumb, sound travels either via air or some pyhsical medium (ie, walls/floors/doors etc.). Airborne sound is comparatively easy to contain & if the problem is really just the door seal you can try fridge door gasket materials which use magnetic seals. You can also get industrial fridge door handles which squeeze the door tightly shut, you've probably seen these in rehearsal rooms. A second door makes a difference too. Lower frequencies tend to be harder to contain as you need to increase the mass of the physical structure to damp its resonance. Solid hardwood doors are best of course, but you can increase the mass by fixing Revac sheeting to the door if you need to. (This is also the stuff to use to build bass traps). http://www.wardlestoreys.co.uk/index1.htm This is (I think) a kind of lead/cork composite, either way its damn heavy so you'd need some major hinges on the door. While I think of it, you may be interested in Tico flooring http://www.tiflex.co.uk/tico_s/Tico_LF/tico_lf.html. Using decent speaker stands on spikes could help to reduce the physical coupling of the speaker/room structure too. Sorry, bit of a brain dump there, hope some of its useful b --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 14/05/2004 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 10:14:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4REDU628903; Thu, 27 May 2004 10:13:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:13:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:12:46 EDT Subject: Re: OTHER THOUGHTS ON GEAR IN GENERAL (gear lists) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4REDAh28849 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt, In a message dated 5/26/04 8:17:34 PM, mmccabe@finleysound.com writes: >Can you get that 80's Andy Summers/Robert Fripp >guitar synth sound with the WP-20G? Hmmmm. Which sound would that be? I haven't listened to "I Advanced Masked" in a great while. Seems they made a lot of different noises with those early synths. Basically the WP-20G only does a few sounds and only a couple of them are "synthy" sounding 'cause it's not really a synth device but a hexaphonic processor. Think of it more as an extremely simplified (and limited) VG8 type device and you are closer to reality. It's meager collection of patches are: Saw Lead Square Ring Mod Slow Gear Sitar Acoustic The first 2 sounds on its dial are distortion(ish) and kind of synthetic sounding saw-tooth and square wave sounds. The unit has chorus and delay too and if you ad a dab of those it begins to sound a bit like some of my least favorite GR-1 patches. It has a fair "ring modulator" patch up next on the rotary dial -- a little tough to dial just the right in though. Like I said, I use it mostly for the "Slow Gear" soft attack sound. The "Sitar" is absolutely, ridiculously useless. What were they thinking? The acoustic is little better. It sounds like the trebliest bridge piezo pickup in the world. It's of some slight use if yo mix it with the guitar's magnetic pickup signal though. Hope this helps, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 11:22:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4RFM8X07911; Thu, 27 May 2004 11:22:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:22:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c443fe$42a59ac0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: Re: OTHER THOUGHTS ON GEAR IN GENERAL (gear lists) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:21:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello, i was wondering if there is anything loop oriented happening in atlanta this weekend. lance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 11:37:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4RFaP211510; Thu, 27 May 2004 11:36:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:36:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Spaceranger \(E-mail\)" Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: using vg8 with a repeater Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:35:12 -0600 Message-ID: <000e01c44400$33f99560$5b0710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jupiter.selectservers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stewardandking.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A Behringer DDX3216. Had to get it repaired when the power subsystem went horky. A common issue that's linked to a particular component which, thankfully, is easily replaced. I'm not sure how to tell (didn't get that info from the shop, just happy to get it back after setting everything up and then having it crash on me :-(). But it sounds great, and works great (now), I'm very happy with it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:23 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: using vg8 with a repeater > > > Thanks for the instructive description! > I am curious what mixer you are using. > > Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 11:43:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4RFger12880; Thu, 27 May 2004 11:42:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:42:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c44401$1bb920f0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <002e01c443fe$42a59ac0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> Subject: atlanta loop stuff this weekend? Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:41:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Chance" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: OTHER THOUGHTS ON GEAR IN GENERAL (gear lists) > hello, > i was wondering if there is anything loop oriented happening in atlanta this > weekend. > lance > sorry, didn't change the subject last time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 11:44:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4RFiHC13232; Thu, 27 May 2004 11:44:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:44:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Spaceranger \(E-mail\)" Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: using vg8 with a repeater Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:43:01 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c44401$4b4d7500$5b0710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jupiter.selectservers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stewardandking.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I should also point out that I have much more going into the mixer than the guitar, and I was attempting to get something setup specifically so I could multi-track at home, turn around and take essentially the same rig live (and record if I want, working on a little wheeled PC daw stand to replace my computer desk, I'm kinda wiggy). Mike Barrs described a handy setup geared more specifically to a singular vg-88 rig, it's really all about figuring out what you want to do, and then figuring out how to get the stuff to do what you want, or get what you want with the stuff you've got. I spent about 7 years screwing around to figure out what I wanted (and for what I wanted to be made, made, and what I wanted to get, got ;-). I'm sure I'll end up with just a bunch of hand percussion and acoustics some day and be very happy ... ;^P > -----Original Message----- > From: Manveru [mailto:manveru@stewardandking.net]On Behalf Of > Spaceranger (E-mail) > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 9:35 AM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: using vg8 with a repeater > > > A Behringer DDX3216. Had to get it repaired when the power > subsystem went horky. A common issue that's linked to a > particular component which, thankfully, is easily replaced. > I'm not sure how to tell (didn't get that info from the shop, > just happy to get it back after setting everything up and > then having it crash on me :-(). > > But it sounds great, and works great (now), I'm very happy with it. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:23 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: using vg8 with a repeater > > > > > > Thanks for the instructive description! > > I am curious what mixer you are using. > > > > Bernhard > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 12:56:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4RGtZi28213; Thu, 27 May 2004 12:55:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:55:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c4440b$5eeebdd0$0bf2ded1@paulaz4ikjae9k> From: To: References: <000a01c4433a$0e055090$5b0710ac@ws42554> Subject: Re: using vg8 with a repeater Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:55:08 -0400 Organization: BlueFrog.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <0Kh0w.A.63G.x1htAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for all the info! Very useful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spaceranger (E-mail)" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: RE: using vg8 with a repeater > I use a vg-88 + sundry into my Repeater. I use the control room out from my > mixer (auxes used for other) to feed the Repeater's inputs and patch the > spdif output from the Repeater back into the mixer on two input channel > faders. Incidentally, I haven't EVER noticed that annoying 'drive noise' > glitch that I used to when recording to CC. Yay! I'm able to loop live > using the CC card for the first time ever without noise, I'm abusing the > priviledge, ha! Haven't pushed the operations that hard yet (i.e. no rapid > reverse toggles, instant tempo changes, etc.), but it works. I have an > alesis airfx in the Repeater's fx loop. > > I patch EVERYTHING into a digital mixer (midi controlled) with adat I/O to > Layla interface. I like this because I detach two adat cables and my rig is > mobile. Plugin two adat cables and I've got 8 digital ins to Cubase, and 8 > digital channel/busses back (as well as 8x8 analog un/balanced on the Layla > for additional patching). > > vg-88 goes into mixer and also some combination of mixer aux outputs (4, 2 > stereo to Vortex and Lexicon MPX1) for fx'ing. I change patches on the > mixer and control the Repeater with an FCB1010 footcontroller. vg-88 is fed > by mag pickup output (which is also routed to GT-6) and Gk-2. Funnily > enough, I almost never use overdriven/crunch patches. > > I just turn everything on and go to town, honestly, it's very easy to never > do the same thing twice. *shrug* ;-) > > With the mixer I can try a number of things out, which is where I've played > around the most recently. I have one 'bread and butter' Repeater bank on > the 1010 footcontroller, and then some oddball Repeater ones, and also > presets to change mixer settings. I usually just grab tones with different > frequency squatting space and surf ... > > One thing I do a lot is use two Repeater tracks for 'fixed' material and two > tracks for transitory material. And the switch at some point and make the > transitory material the 'fixed' material via feeback control (from 1010) and > vice versa. > > I highly recommend a mixer and some kind of aux routing to incorporate the > Repeater. You don't want to have your vg-8 going direct thru the Repeater, > but in a parallel path thru a mixer, et. al. > > Have fun! > > -----Original Message----- > From: mizfeldman@bluefrog.com [mailto:mizfeldman@bluefrog.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:04 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: using vg8 with a repeater > > > Does anyone use a vg8 with the Repeater? I'd be interested in any comments > on this experience: how you've got your rig set up, how you use them > together live, etc. Thanks! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 13:58:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4RHvGZ09676; Thu, 27 May 2004 13:57:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:57:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1085680804.40b62ca4ab470@webmail.registerapi.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:00:04 -0700 From: darrenmichaels@darrenmichaelsbass.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002e01c443fe$42a59ac0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> <004201c44401$1bb920f0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> In-Reply-To: <004201c44401$1bb920f0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 209.86.143.230 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: darrenmichaels@darrenmichaelsbass.com Subject: Re: atlanta loop stuff this weekend? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on southcarolina.backend X-Spam-Report: * 0.3 NO_REAL_NAME From: does not include a real name * 0.5 RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP RBL: NJABL: dialup sender did non-local SMTP * [209.86.143.230 listed in dnsbl.njabl.org] * 0.1 RCVD_IN_SORBS RBL: SORBS: sender is listed in SORBS * [209.86.143.230 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] * 0.1 RCVD_IN_NJABL RBL: Received via a relay in dnsbl.njabl.org * [209.86.143.230 listed in dnsbl.njabl.org] * 2.5 RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK RBL: Sent directly from dynamic IP address * [209.86.143.230 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.6 required=10.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK,RCVD_IN_NJABL,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP,RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.61 X-Spam-Level: *** X-SA-Exim-Version: 3.1 (built Thu Oct 23 13:26:47 PDT 2003) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes X-uvscan-result: clean (1BTP7U-0005Gt-UP) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I won't be looping this weekend, but I will be doing some on June 25th. My stuff involves looping electric bass. darren www.darrenmichaelsbass.com > > > hello, > > i was wondering if there is anything loop oriented happening in atlanta > this > > weekend. > > lance > > > sorry, didn't change the subject last time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 15:09:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4RJ7ZT22402; Thu, 27 May 2004 15:07:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:07:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c4441d$bc6da860$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <002e01c443fe$42a59ac0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> <004201c44401$1bb920f0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> <1085680804.40b62ca4ab470@webmail.registerapi.com> Subject: Re: atlanta loop stuff this weekend? Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:06:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <_PHBtB.A.adF.cxjtAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh, well. some guys and i are going to be in town this weekend with some gear to do a loop poetry project and i was just wondering what else might be going on. checked out your site, tho. looks pretty interesting. wish i could be there for the 25th. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:00 PM Subject: Re: atlanta loop stuff this weekend? > I won't be looping this weekend, but I will be doing some on June 25th. My > stuff involves looping electric bass. > > darren > www.darrenmichaelsbass.com > > > > > > > > hello, > > > i was wondering if there is anything loop oriented happening in atlanta > > this > > > weekend. > > > lance > > > > > sorry, didn't change the subject last time. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 16:04:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4RK2uF31172; Thu, 27 May 2004 16:02:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:02:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1085688153.40b649595a23a@webmail.registerapi.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:02:33 -0700 From: darrenmichaels@darrenmichaelsbass.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002e01c443fe$42a59ac0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> <004201c44401$1bb920f0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> <1085680804.40b62ca4ab470@webmail.registerapi.com> <000501c4441d$bc6da860$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> In-Reply-To: <000501c4441d$bc6da860$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 209.86.134.175 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: darrenmichaels@darrenmichaelsbass.com Subject: Re: atlanta loop stuff this weekend? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on westvirginia.backend X-Spam-Report: * 0.3 NO_REAL_NAME From: does not include a real name * 1.1 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email * 0.5 RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP RBL: NJABL: dialup sender did non-local SMTP * [209.86.134.175 listed in dnsbl.njabl.org] * 0.1 RCVD_IN_SORBS RBL: SORBS: sender is listed in SORBS * [209.86.134.175 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] * 0.1 RCVD_IN_NJABL RBL: Received via a relay in dnsbl.njabl.org * [209.86.134.175 listed in dnsbl.njabl.org] * 2.5 RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK RBL: Sent directly from dynamic IP address * [209.86.134.175 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.6 required=10.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, NO_REAL_NAME,RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK,RCVD_IN_NJABL,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.61 X-Spam-Level: **** X-SA-Exim-Version: 3.1 (built Thu Oct 23 13:26:47 PDT 2003) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes X-uvscan-result: clean (1BTR5F-00069C-Ii) Resent-Message-ID: <8LM-9D.A.ZmH.glktAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Lance, Where will the loop poetry be? I'd love to check that out. Forgive me if you already posted where it is...I missed it. I'm just a tid bit daft. darren Quoting Lance Chance : > oh, well. some guys and i are going to be in town this weekend with some > gear to do a loop poetry project and i was just wondering what else might be > going on. checked out your site, tho. looks pretty interesting. wish i > could be there for the 25th. > > lance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 16:56:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4RKtSn06839; Thu, 27 May 2004 16:55:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:55:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c4442c$d129e4d0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <002e01c443fe$42a59ac0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> <004201c44401$1bb920f0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> <1085680804.40b62ca4ab470@webmail.registerapi.com> <000501c4441d$bc6da860$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> <1085688153.40b649595a23a@webmail.registerapi.com> Subject: Re: atlanta loop stuff this weekend? Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:54:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's going to be at a place called eyedrum. http://www.eyedrum.org/ but we will be doing our thing in the afternoon, and the rest of it is going to be other approaches to experimental poetry. i won't discourage you from going, but we are the only loopers. that's why i was scoping the scene, to see if there was any other loop oriented stuff going on; ) make sure to drop a word if you're heading to louisiana sometime. hittin' the road now. stay in touch. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: atlanta loop stuff this weekend? > Hey Lance, > > Where will the loop poetry be? I'd love to check that out. Forgive me if you > already posted where it is...I missed it. I'm just a tid bit daft. > > darren > > > Quoting Lance Chance : > > > oh, well. some guys and i are going to be in town this weekend with some > > gear to do a loop poetry project and i was just wondering what else might be > > going on. checked out your site, tho. looks pretty interesting. wish i > > could be there for the 25th. > > > > lance > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 18:13:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4RMCda21111; Thu, 27 May 2004 18:12:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:12:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200405272212.i4RMC3h21006@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "|SquidLoop|" To: Subject: Pauline Oliveros Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:12:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C443FC.F9CB3400" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcREAZzTfoj8adHfQSiAxlp6Z+0X7gANe9Qw In-Reply-To: <200405271544.i4RFiob13397@hemlock.violacea.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <0Poc4D.A.dIF.0emtAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C443FC.F9CB3400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great interview in the latest issue of Tape Op - #41 ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C443FC.F9CB3400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C443FC.F9CB3400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 19:03:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4RN2wN30042; Thu, 27 May 2004 19:02:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:02:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.11.158.238] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: atlanta loop stuff this weekend? Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:02:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2004 23:02:33.0161 (UTC) FILETIME=[B19B1B90:01C4443E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey lance, You live in the big boot? Where'bouts? I'm in Baton Rouge. I didn't know of any LDer's in the area (but then again I never looked..). Jason _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 19:33:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4RNWno02488; Thu, 27 May 2004 19:32:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:32:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040527233204.26865.qmail@web50905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re:guitar synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <40B55DC1.1090006@finleysound.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1010225963-1085700724=:26489" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1010225963-1085700724=:26489 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Moogerfooger CP-251 Control Processor?... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --0-1010225963-1085700724=:26489 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --0-1010225963-1085700724=:26489-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 20:23:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4S0M5v12191; Thu, 27 May 2004 20:22:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:22:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c4444a$e8b10340$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <002e01c443fe$42a59ac0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> <004201c44401$1bb920f0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> <1085680804.40b62ca4ab470@webmail.registerapi.com> <000501c4441d$bc6da860$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> <1085688153.40b649595a23a@webmail.registerapi.com> <000b01c4442c$d129e4d0$69894682@Duprelibrary.win.louisiana.edu> Subject: Re: atlanta loop stuff this weekend? Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:29:59 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was going to suggest checking at the electric arts alliance of atlanta http://www.theeaaa.org/ but it looks like that's where you're playing... Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Chance" To: Sent: Thursday, 27 May, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: Re: atlanta loop stuff this weekend? > it's going to be at a place called eyedrum. http://www.eyedrum.org/ but we > will be doing our thing in the afternoon, and the rest of it is going to be > other approaches to experimental poetry. i won't discourage you from > going, but we are the only loopers. that's why i was scoping the scene, to > see if there was any other loop oriented stuff going on; ) make sure to drop > a word if you're heading to louisiana sometime. hittin' the road now. > stay in touch. > lance > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: atlanta loop stuff this weekend? > > > > Hey Lance, > > > > Where will the loop poetry be? I'd love to check that out. Forgive me if > you > > already posted where it is...I missed it. I'm just a tid bit daft. > > > > darren > > > > > > Quoting Lance Chance : > > > > > oh, well. some guys and i are going to be in town this weekend with > some > > > gear to do a loop poetry project and i was just wondering what else > might be > > > going on. checked out your site, tho. looks pretty interesting. > wish i > > > could be there for the 25th. > > > > > > lance > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 27 21:48:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4S1koL24182; Thu, 27 May 2004 21:46:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 21:46:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: OTHER THOUGHTS ON GEAR IN GENERAL (gear lists) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:45:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 27, 2004, at 9:12 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/26/04 8:17:34 PM, mmccabe@finleysound.com writes: >> Can you get that 80's Andy Summers/Robert Fripp >> guitar synth sound with the WP-20G? > The first 2 sounds on its dial are distortion(ish) and kind > of synthetic sounding saw-tooth and square wave sounds. > The unit has chorus and delay too and if you ad a dab > of those it begins to sound a bit like some of my least > favorite GR-1 patches. I own a GR-300, and have to say that it makes the "Roland saw wave". every Roland synth has the same tone to it's sawtooth wave, a Wave Processor coupled with something like a Moogerfooger MF-101 would give you 70 percent of the GR-300 sound ... an Eventide for pitch shift and vibrato would give you another 15 percent. the last 15 percent is the mystical quality of the 300 itself. also, hex-fuzz is important. i guess my bottom line is that i just don't think that the Wave Processor sawtooth is bad at all. and, that all Roland sawtooth waves sound the same. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 28 08:36:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4SCZUQ29788; Fri, 28 May 2004 08:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:35:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40B7317C.8090709@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:33:00 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Denver area looping folks References: <20040519130801.EEC001F4FEA@ws1-12.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20040519130801.EEC001F4FEA@ws1-12.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kristian Day wrote: >I will be moving early June to the Denver area, actually my apartment is in Golden. I'm interested to know what the looping, experimental music scene is like there, or maybe just some cool ppl to meet when I get there. > >Kris > > Hi Kris, Look up Mike Metlay (Recording magazine). He can clue you in to what's going on in the area. He's on the beyond_em yahoo list if you want to make immediate contact. My best friend moved to Aurora last year. He and his wife love it out there. But then, they came from Cleveland so there was room for improvement.... ;-) Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 28 09:15:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4SDCPv03419; Fri, 28 May 2004 09:12:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:12:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1085749915!13317595 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085343AE@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: using repeater on control-room outputs Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:10:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C444B5.2BD3B2C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C444B5.2BD3B2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I use the control room out from my mixer (auxes used for other) to feed the Repeater's inputs and patch the spdif output from the Repeater back into the mixer on two input channel faders. Incidentally, I haven't EVER noticed that annoying 'drive noise' glitch that I used to when recording to CC.<< couple of gems here- first, using the control room output on the mixer instead of an aux send is genius. even on my dinky soundcraft folio 16-4-2-1 (the spirit model) or my behringer 2802, it's possible to do this. the appeal of this is that you can (on these desks anyway) pfl or afl pretty much anything, including your aux sends. for the less-initiated, the pfl & afl functions on a mixer are a way of listening to an individual channel through the aforementioned control-room (or headphone) output without disturbing y'r master mix busses. so you could still use an aux send to get stuff to y'r repeater (or w.h.y.), but via it's pfl switch, which lets you listen to the mix of signals being sent to that aux send output. then you could push multiple pfl's to set up a sort of crude submix. also you can pfl any of y'r main mix busses/groups, & have them go to the repeater, though if you are going to route the repeater to itself in the course of doing this, remember to engage "dry-muted". being able to quickly change from having the entire mix go to the repeater, to just feeding it a single channel, is very useful musically. this way (using the control room output & pfl switches) gets it down to one or two button pushes. fantastic idea. afl is the same as pfl except that it's "after fade listen" instead of "pre fade listen"; means the channel has to be faded up before the button will send any of it to the control room output. depending how good y'r mixer is, & how flexible it's internal routing is, you may be able to use afl instead of pfl without having to have the signals present at the main mix busses aswell- you just don't route them there. on my soundcraft, & on the mackie 1604 as far as I remember, each channel can be routed to one of two mix busses ("groups"), but you can't /not/ route it..... but if you could (i.e. a bigger, better equipped desk), then the afl buttons would allow you to set up a sub-mix to the repeater, with full level control of the various constituent signals. getting the entire mix into the repeater at selected times would then be a button-push away; just disable the afl & restore the main mix onto the control room output. secondly- does using the repeater's spdif output really get rid of that annoying ticking sound? I have to stop mine whenever they're silent, as there's nothing to mask this noise. maybe one day someone will post these famous noise reduction mods somewhere where we can all see them.... but if the digital output is quiet, I will start using it right away. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>I use the control room out from my mixer (auxes u= sed for other) to feed the Repeater's inputs and patch the spdif output fro= m the Repeater back into the mixer on two input channel faders.  Incid= entally, I haven't EVER noticed that annoying 'drive noise' glitch that I u= sed to when recording to CC.<<

couple of gems here- first, using the control room output= on the mixer instead of an aux send is genius. even on my dinky soundcraft= folio 16-4-2-1 (the spirit model) or my behringer 2802, it's possible to d= o this. the appeal of this is that you can (on these desks anyway) pfl or a= fl pretty much anything, including your aux sends.

for the less-initiated, the pfl & afl functions on a = mixer are a way of listening to an individual channel through the aforement= ioned control-room (or headphone) output without disturbing y'r master mix = busses.

so you could still use an aux send to get stuff to y'r re= peater (or w.h.y.), but via it's pfl switch, which lets you listen to the m= ix of signals being sent to that aux send output.

then you could push multiple pfl's to set up a sort of cr= ude submix.
also you can pfl any of y'r main mix busses/groups, &= ; have them go to the repeater, though if you are going to route the repeat= er to itself in the course of doing this, remember to engage "dry-mute= d".

being able to quickly change from having the entire mix g= o to the repeater, to just feeding it a single channel, is very useful musi= cally. this way (using the control room output & pfl switches) gets it = down to one or two button pushes.

fantastic idea.
afl is the same as pfl except that it's "after fade= listen" instead of "pre fade listen"; means the channel has= to be faded up before the button will send any of it to the control room o= utput. depending how good y'r mixer is, & how flexible it's internal ro= uting is, you may be able to use afl instead of pfl without having to have = the signals present at the main mix busses aswell- you just don't route the= m there.

on my soundcraft, & on the mackie 1604 as far as I re= member, each channel can be routed to one of two mix busses ("groups&q= uot;), but you can't /not/ route it..... but if you could (i.e. a bigger, b= etter equipped desk), then the afl buttons would allow you to set up a sub-= mix to the repeater, with full level control of the various constituent sig= nals. getting the entire mix into the repeater at selected times would then= be a button-push away; just disable the afl & restore the main mix ont= o the control room output.

secondly- does using the repeater's spdif output really g= et rid of that annoying ticking sound? I have to stop mine whenever they're= silent, as there's nothing to mask this noise. maybe one day someone will = post these famous noise reduction mods somewhere where we can all see them.= ... but if the digital output is quiet, I will start using it right away.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C444B5.2BD3B2C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 28 09:47:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4SDfSg08564; Fri, 28 May 2004 09:41:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:41:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Denver area looping folks Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 06:40:40 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c444b9$5e48bbc0$6501a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <40B7317C.8090709@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: <0eqd5D.A.9EC.0F0tAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good luck with your move Kris. I relocated from Southern California to Denver in mid '94 and stayed until late '95. At that time, I was really bummed at the music scene there. It was very insular and very 'bar-rock', from my impression. There was an indie/alt/experimental scene there, but trying to network, make friends and get rolling with a band was an exercise in futility. Alas, it just wasn't for me (and my wife). When my mother in law became ill, we returned to SoCal where we've stayed since. That whole area was just on the cusp of exploding, though, when we left. We could definitely 'feel' the city burgeoning under it's somewhat country/mountain/backwoods roots and the true metropolis it was becoming. The whole lower downtown (LoDo) area was in it's genesis of redevelopment and I understand it has really been fully exploited at this time. I haven't been back, but intend to go visit sometime in the next couple of years. The Rocky Mountains are stunning, and for an L.A. area boy, to get away to that kind of beauty and wilderness in a 1/2 hour drive was quite something. The weather patterns were, for me, awesome. Seasons? What the hell are seasons? From the land of Disneyland weather, what a change! I loved it. As for the other posts regarding your move, I will only say this. Golden is light years away from Aurora. I lived on the cusp of East Denver and Aurora (a suburb to the east of town). It is often referred to as Whore-ora. My cute little duplex sat about 100 yards from Colfax Avenue, where one could find a wealth of 'no-tell' motels with hourly rates, strip clubs, hookers, junkies and homeless. Golden, on the other hand, is pretty quiet and nice, although a little quaint and backwoodsy. You can definitely feel the money that the brewery has brought to the town, and the Coors plant looms over the city from some vantage points. My favorite place there was Golden Bowl. My god...what a step back in time. A bowling alley almost completely still made of wood (chairs/walls), manual scoring, and a shoe clerk who looked straight out of a David Lynch movie. Bizarre. Anyway, best of luck. Sorry for the long winded post. I hope the music scene rocks for you! If you like Baseball, Beer and outdoor sports, you will absolutely LOVE it...god knows everybody else there did. Rich www.asopaque.com -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 5:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Denver area looping folks Kristian Day wrote: >I will be moving early June to the Denver area, actually my apartment is in Golden. I'm interested to know what the looping, experimental music scene is like there, or maybe just some cool ppl to meet when I get there. > >Kris > > Hi Kris, Look up Mike Metlay (Recording magazine). He can clue you in to what's going on in the area. He's on the beyond_em yahoo list if you want to make immediate contact. My best friend moved to Aurora last year. He and his wife love it out there. But then, they came from Cleveland so there was room for improvement.... ;-) Cheers, Bill __________ NOD32 1.578 (20031212) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 28 12:14:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4SGCPt02407; Fri, 28 May 2004 12:12:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:12:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Spaceranger \(E-mail\)" Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: using repeater on control-room outputs Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:10:46 -0600 Message-ID: <001001c444ce$56158860$5b0710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085343AE@LON-MAIL07> Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jupiter.selectservers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stewardandking.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: using repeater on control-room outputs Thanks for the comments! I actually have a stereo buss on the mixer that feeds the control room output, and I can feed the buss with whatever; very handy, for all the reasons you say! > secondly- does using the repeater's spdif output really get rid of > that annoying ticking sound? I have to stop mine whenever they're > silent, as there's nothing to mask this noise. maybe one day > someone will post these famous noise reduction mods somewhere > where we can all see them.... but if the digital output is > quiet, I will start using it right away. So far so good!! 8^) *KNOCKS ON WOOD* 8^\ Tangentially: I wish there was a cheap way to route 4x4 stereo spdif signals directly into my mixer. I've been looking at coupling spdif/aes converters with the Behringer aes expansion unit for this purpose, but I'm wary of the possibility of signal degredation from the conversion. Anyone ever used spdif <-> AES converters and can comment to the transparency (or lack thereof)? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 28 14:47:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4SIkAl31400; Fri, 28 May 2004 14:46:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:46:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2D8F4271-B0D7-11D8-85D7-003065AD3360@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: D Morley Subject: FA: Moogerfooger delay Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 20:45:23 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3727046443 If anyone is looking for one! Thanks David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 28 14:48:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4SIlSd31706; Fri, 28 May 2004 14:47:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:47:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <667DB9B4-B0D7-11D8-85D7-003065AD3360@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: D Morley Subject: Lexicon PCM42 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 20:46:59 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all Does anyone use one of these for looping? I have one with double memory and wondered if anyone has any tricks on how to set it up? Also, does anyone know if the Clavia G2 modular would be good for effecting guitars in this way? Cheers David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 28 15:23:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4SJN7506424; Fri, 28 May 2004 15:23:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:23:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:20:45 -0800 Subject: Re: FA: Moogerfooger delay From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2D8F4271-B0D7-11D8-85D7-003065AD3360@gmx.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3727046443 > > If anyone is looking for one! > Thanks > David > > if anyone is into the *most* beautiful sounding delay thats ever been offered-go for it. i got one when they 1st came out and it is very precious to me and my (only @ home) sound. . -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 28 15:38:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4SJbgQ08425; Fri, 28 May 2004 15:37:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:37:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:37:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Lexicon PCM42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <667DB9B4-B0D7-11D8-85D7-003065AD3360@gmx.net> Message-Id: <6EF4562E-B0DE-11D8-ADCC-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lucky you! the 42 is an awesome looping tool - just ask david torn. while low on flexiblity - no crazy stuff like multiple tracks, midi or storing loops here - it more than makes up for it with great sound. i love grabbing a sound and then cranking the speed way down for that basement rumble - try that with a dl-4. just the ability to do speed ups or slow downs - is there a modeler that can do that? about all you really need is a footswitch to turn the infinite repeat on/offand one for bypass. i don't believe it even has a continuous pedal in (no midi of course) to control speed, but i could be wrong, as it's been over 15 years since i used one. the one i had to play with belonged to gary hall, who played a big part in developing the 42. gary had a mind-blowing dual 42 rig with sync'd clocks and maxed memory. just play a couple notes and let it go... cheers bruce On Friday, May 28, 2004, at 02:46 PM, D Morley wrote: > Hi all > Does anyone use one of these for looping? > I have one with double memory and wondered if anyone has any tricks on > how to set it up? > Also, does anyone know if the Clavia G2 modular would be good for > effecting guitars in this way? > Cheers > David > > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 28 16:05:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4SK4ex14957; Fri, 28 May 2004 16:04:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:04:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:01:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Lexicon PCM42 From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6EF4562E-B0DE-11D8-ADCC-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i am also lucky to be an owner/operator of the famous, great sounding PCM42- i got 3. 2 are maxed-out time wise by -19.2 seconds. it does have continuous pedal capabilities-if anyone has seen the DT video; he uses three(Roland EV-5) for looplength(vco)-mix(wet/dry) and feedback ctrl. i like to manipulate those features w/ the nobbees on the front tho'. i would luv to get my two synced up as they have internal clocks that cannot be accessed-i talked to @ last years about maybe tryin to hook mine up clock-wise, he said it was possible and now i read that he already had done that-wow.i never followed up tho', crazee me. and also i would say the 42 is high on flexibility-course i had bob(he said i could call him "bob") add backward capabilities and midi clock out-the possiblilties are endless... s > lucky you! the 42 is an awesome looping tool - just > ask david torn. while low on flexiblity - no crazy stuff > like multiple tracks, midi or storing loops here - it more > than makes up for it with great sound. i love grabbing a > sound and then cranking the speed way down for > that basement rumble - try that with a dl-4. just the > ability to do speed ups or slow downs - is there a > modeler that can do that? > about all you really need is a footswitch to turn the > infinite repeat on/offand one for bypass. i don't believe > it even has a continuous pedal in (no midi of course) to > control speed, but i could be wrong, as it's been over 15 > years since i used one. the one i had to play with belonged > to gary hall, who played a big part in developing the 42. > gary had a mind-blowing dual 42 rig with sync'd clocks > and maxed memory. just play a couple notes and let it > go... > cheers > bruce > > On Friday, May 28, 2004, at 02:46 PM, D Morley wrote: > >> Hi all >> Does anyone use one of these for looping? >> I have one with double memory and wondered if anyone has any tricks on >> how to set it up? >> Also, does anyone know if the Clavia G2 modular would be good for >> effecting guitars in this way? >> Cheers >> David >> >> >> >> > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 28 16:21:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4SKKgN17010; Fri, 28 May 2004 16:20:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:20:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <6EF4562E-B0DE-11D8-ADCC-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> References: <6EF4562E-B0DE-11D8-ADCC-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <68E301A2-B0E4-11D8-859E-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Lexicon PCM42 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:20:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In fact, there is: http://www.pspaudioware.com/start/psp42.html On May 28, 2004, at 12:37 PM, bruce tovsky wrote: > lucky you! the 42 is an awesome looping tool - just > ask david torn. while low on flexiblity - no crazy stuff > like multiple tracks, midi or storing loops here - it more > than makes up for it with great sound. i love grabbing a > sound and then cranking the speed way down for > that basement rumble - try that with a dl-4. just the > ability to do speed ups or slow downs - is there a > modeler that can do that? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 28 16:27:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4SKPrH17765; Fri, 28 May 2004 16:25:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:25:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <667DB9B4-B0D7-11D8-85D7-003065AD3360@gmx.net> References: <667DB9B4-B0D7-11D8-85D7-003065AD3360@gmx.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:17:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Lexicon PCM42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:46 PM +0200 5/28/04, D Morley wrote: >Does anyone use one of these for looping? The PSP42 plug-in does a credible simulation. http://www.pspaudioware.com/start/psp42.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 29 00:39:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4T4bef26648; Sat, 29 May 2004 00:37:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 00:37:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: SysEx Dump w/FCB 1010 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 00:37:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <86Gf4B.A.3fG.HOBuAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys and girls. 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Angulo" Subject: Echoplex for sale in australia To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085343AE@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=621&item=3727115611&rd=1 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! 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Angulo" Subject: Oberheim EDP for sale in europe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085343AE@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ive decided to sell my Oberheim EDP with loop IV and 198 max.memory upgrade in excellent shape for 1000.-Eur.if anybody is interested please contact me off list(pictures available). Thanx L.a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 29 04:24:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4T8NHX29090; Sat, 29 May 2004 04:23:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 04:23:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3AA6182A-B149-11D8-B845-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: SysEx Dump w/FCB 1010 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 10:21:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <2nXmmD.A.IFH.jgEuAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got a midi filter in PT activated by mistake? All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com On 2004-05-29, at 06.37, John Metzler wrote: > Hey guys and girls. > I could use a little pro-style help with a SysEx dump of my Behringer > foot controller. Here is what I am doing,....... maybe someone can > point out where I'm going wrong. > > Dumping to a MIDI track in ProTools LE on my iBook. > Using a MOTU FastLane MIDI interface connecting MIDI-In-A to MIDI-Out > of the foot controller. > The Audio MIDI Set Up in OSX is configured. > The foot controller is sending out ch. 1. The MIDI track is set to > record ch. 1. > I power up the Behringer while holding down the DOWN switch and > navigate to Configuration mode. > I record enable the track and start recording. > Then I push down switch #6 (SysEx Send) until after the light on that > switch goes out. > I go check ProTools, ..... still rolling but nothing has been recorded. > > > THE END. > > > Anyone got any ideas? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 29 16:32:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4TKVwZ23808; Sat, 29 May 2004 16:31:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 16:31:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C445CC.B9670D40@dyn-83-154-193-102.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: reporting nice looping show this Saturday afternoon near Paris Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 22:31:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4TKVdh23745 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, Francois (see below) gave us a great looping show this afternoon in Courbevoie. There was a guitar event featuring lots of players in various styles, as well as a guitar makers exhibit. Francois started his set with 3 pieces on his 6 nylon strings Takamine, then changed tuning (6th string down to very low C, and 5th down to G), and played 2 more compositions of his. After that, he started playing his Chapman Stick, and ... I lost track because I was just listening and trying to understand how he can manage to play this strange sort of guitar ! After a few tunes, he switched back to the 6 strings, and gave some explanations about looping, demonstrating the overdubbing of different parts on the Repeater and playing something with this background. The whole set lasted something like 45 minutes I think and he used his Repeater on most tunes. That was a great show, very nice to have some live looping here and to meet Francois himself. Francois, please, the next time you play somewhere, let us(me) know. Francois (the other one) check my CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: francois [SMTP:francois.kobe@wanadoo.fr] Date: mardi 25 mai 2004 09:30 À: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Music with Repeater ! Hello ! After playing with Boss RC-20 and Lexicon JamMan, i play now with a Electrix Repeater ! It's a great loops machine ! You can listen what i do with it : http://korma2.free.fr/mp3/demo_ebow_loop.mp3 (with an ebow and an US Strat !)http://korma2.free.fr/mp3/compo01_korma.mp3 (with takamine nylon) Good listenning ! François http://korma.free.fr<< Fichier: ATT00010.htm>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 29 16:52:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4TKpdB25829; Sat, 29 May 2004 16:51:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 16:51:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: reporting nice looping show this Saturday afternoon near Paris Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 22:53:09 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <01C445CC.B9670D40@dyn-83-154-193-102.ppp.tiscali.fr> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would like to back up this proposition and extend it to all european musicians on the list. Please post your gigs! There are occurrences of strange and fascinating life forms beyond the big lake! I'd have loved to see that event! Thanks, Francois (both of them) Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: F Lebrun [mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr] > Sent: Samstag, 29. Mai 2004 22:32 > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: reporting nice looping show this Saturday afternoon near Paris > > > > Hello list, > > Francois (see below) gave us a great looping show this afternoon > in Courbevoie. > > There was a guitar event featuring lots of players in various styles, > as well as a guitar makers exhibit. > Francois started his set with 3 pieces on his 6 nylon strings Takamine, > then changed tuning (6th string down to very low C, and 5th down to G), > and played 2 more compositions of his. > > After that, he started playing his Chapman Stick, and ... > I lost track because I was just listening and trying to understand > how he can manage to play this strange sort of guitar ! > > After a few tunes, he switched back to the 6 strings, > and gave some explanations about looping, > demonstrating the overdubbing of different parts on the Repeater > and playing something with this background. > > The whole set lasted something like 45 minutes I think > and he used his Repeater on most tunes. > > That was a great show, very nice to have some live looping > here and to meet Francois himself. > > Francois, please, the next time you play somewhere, let us(me) know. > > > > Francois (the other one) > check my CD on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De: francois [SMTP:francois.kobe@wanadoo.fr] > Date: mardi 25 mai 2004 09:30 > À: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Objet: Music with Repeater ! > > Hello ! > After playing with Boss RC-20 and Lexicon JamMan, i play now with > a Electrix Repeater ! > It's a great loops machine ! > You can listen what i do with it : > http://korma2.free.fr/mp3/demo_ebow_loop.mp3 (with an ebow and an > US Strat !)http://korma2.free.fr/mp3/compo01_korma.mp3 (with > takamine nylon) > Good listenning ! > François > http://korma.free.fr<< Fichier: ATT00010.htm>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 29 19:33:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4TNWDk17025; Sat, 29 May 2004 19:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 19:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c445d6$27193da0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Embracing the Glass Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 19:39:15 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday June 1st - Embracing the Glass Visiting from Worcester, Massachusetts, Embracing the Glass will be performing three sets - two short solos and a longer duo. Jeff Sampson: Looped and layered voices creating a slowly evolving long-form soundscape. No samples or pre-recorded loops - all sounds are voice-only and generated live. Sean Carroll: Guitar-synth with an attitude. Washes, textures and solos - spooky, aggressive and soft. Probably not as loop-oriented as Jeff's set, but they'll be there and he'll also likely have his sample-playing laptop with him. Embracing the Glass: Guitar-synth and voice creating atmospheric ambience. Sombre, sweet, dark, ethereal and haunting. They've been working on some longer-form pieces - upwards of 35 minutes and plan on debuting one of them this night. Look for EtG CDs at the *ping things* table. http://www.burningshirt.com/etg/etg.html Between Sets CD - "Beat Hollow" by fognode::: Brian Siskind's fognode::: project mixes downtempo beats with spacious ambience featuring his floating pedal steel work (yes, he's from Nashville), synth & bass and Mark Fauver's flute. http://www.fognode.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday June 8th - Blaubac with Jef3Jon Visuals + BLEEP Visuals http://www.blaubac.co.uk http://www.bleeptunes.com Between Sets CD - "sub.terra" by Various Artists (Foundry) http://www.foundrysite.com/subterra/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Shimmering. That's the first thing that comes to mind when I think of "Mandala for Chaos" by Embracing the Glass. Shimmering, floating, sweeping tones passing by the senses while subtle vocals glide through your perceptions. Rising, swelling, like the crest of a wave tugging you deeper into its grasp. Transcendent, inspired, a womb-like serenity. Starting with slowly building pads paired with subtle vocals, opening track "Around" ebbs and flows like nighttime waves on a lonely beach. Growing in strength with each pass the waves grow more powerful, their pull becomes stronger and what was only a distant image a few moments ago now surrounds you. Track two "Chasm of Faith" brings to mind a tranquil lake where drops of water make ever-expanding ripples throughout. Somber strings float past the senses while a vocal line made strong through it's restraint brings to mind the mournful call of sirens to unsuspecting sailors. One can't help but become mesmerized by their charms. "Great Lakes Chain Gang" places the vocals more prominently in the mix, a layering of looped lines building on top of each other to create a tapestry of voices. At times this track reminds me of Brendan Perry of Dead Can Dance, something about the voice, the intonation, the phrasing. Cool stuff. Closing track "Mandala for Chaos" uses harmonic pads as a backdrop for further vocal stylings, a beautiful blend of sounds that flow and melt into each other creating a beautiful spiral of sound. Simply breathtaking. Shimmering. That's the first thing that comes to mind when I think of "Mandela for Chaos" by Embracing the Glass. Something liquid, shining in the light, shifting and flowing, almost alive. Shimmering. Lovely. Yes. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Explore the ping things' newly expanded "features" section at: http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. To unsubscribe - reply with 'unsubscribe' in the e-mail body. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 30 06:45:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4UAj0E27598; Sun, 30 May 2004 06:45:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 06:45:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: OT Pauline Oliveros Software for People Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 12:45:26 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200405241726.i4OHQ3r26473@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: ZkRqO+ZpweBFsWnEABZvgIJzQBBhyBK5cWBFz-NfXNkr+rEyWITqk-@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want a copy of the long-out-of-print book Software for People by Pauline Oliveros. Does anyone have an idea where to get one? It is never offered on Ebay. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 30 09:36:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4UDZdm14729; Sun, 30 May 2004 09:35:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 09:35:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c4464a$e9f6b400$7c44fea9@your5olnb28oao> From: "Keith Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: OT Pauline Oliveros Software for People Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 09:35:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <8Go5UB.A.ZlD.SMeuAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi michael, i have a copy. are you looking for the delay techniques chapter? a lot of it is her poetry. i could scan what you need (once i find it in my mess of boxes). keith -- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 6:45 AM Subject: OT Pauline Oliveros Software for People > I want a copy of the long-out-of-print book Software for People by Pauline > Oliveros. Does anyone have an idea where to get one? It is never offered on > Ebay. > > -Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 30 09:46:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4UDjNw15732; Sun, 30 May 2004 09:45:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 09:45:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40B9E492.7090506@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 09:41:38 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #375 for May 27, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040527.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #375 May 27, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Demo Sessions Mojave 2003, the unedited tracks from the Ricochet Gathering. The Featured CD at Midnight was disc four of the four disc set on the Ricochet Dream label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Phaedra" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. Demo Sessions Mojave 2003 - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#may PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream Movements of a Visionary Phaedra (Virgin) Bionight Egoheart Egoheart 1999 (none) Kevin Bartlett Gayatri Nearlife Experience (Aural Gratification) Dom F. Scab Complicity Twelve Stories (Margen) Mark Dwane The Mists of Uncertainty The Sirius Link (Trondant) Robert Rich Overhead Calling Down the Sky (Soundscape) URM Darkness on the Edge of Synthphonics 1 (none) Light 12:00 am The Mojave Wind Linda's Ghost Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) The Mojave Wind Searchlight Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) The Mojave Wind Mojave Dreams Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) The Mojave Wind Alien Wind Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) The Mojave Wind Desert Children Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dream) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Sequences Magazine which includes a compilation CD with each issue. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the CD from Sequences issue number 25. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Stromkarlen" by Ralph Lundsten on EMI/ Odeon Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 30 09:57:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4UDtcP17098; Sun, 30 May 2004 09:55:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 09:55:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: D Morley Subject: moog pedal Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 15:53:44 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i4UDsBh16737 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, they are amazing. It went fairly quickly on ebay. I just don´t need it as much as I need other more boring things! As I mentioned I have a PCM 24 (plus a prime time 2 and a roland sys 700 modular delay) so I still have some funky tools, but I will miss the moogerfooger. Its just that it paid for an iBook ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 30 10:14:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4UEEIP20820; Sun, 30 May 2004 10:14:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 10:14:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: OT Pauline Oliveros Software for People Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 16:15:28 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001001c4464a$e9f6b400$7c44fea9@your5olnb28oao> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: Sraem0ZeYeDxgKMjKLY4f9dE0V0K2aW+TqLqiVm60J5eyyT1crKwkD@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Keith Wilson [mailto:keith000@sympatico.ca] > i could scan what you need (once i find it in my mess of > boxes). thanks keith ... I want the whole book as a book :-) -m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 31 11:38:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4VFb9M07872; Mon, 31 May 2004 11:37:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 11:37:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040531153626.56212.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 08:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: EDP for sale in Europe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947085343AE@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3727679570 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 31 13:20:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4VHJq701565; Mon, 31 May 2004 13:19:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 13:19:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c44733$63cdea80$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: Subject: Thanks Gibson! Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 10:18:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow! I should never have disparaged Gibson for my Echoplex problems. I wrote them a detailed e-mail explaining how I had bought and paid for an Echoplex at Musician's Friend which was damaged and subsequently exchanged since the expected ship date of the new units was February 5th and have been waiting ever since watching ship dates come and go with clock-like regularity while I paid interest on something that I did not yet have. It only took them 12 days to get back to me with this response: >>>>> Thank you for contacting Gibson Guitars. I am sorry to hear you have had difficulty ordering a Echoplex Digital Pro unit. Your dealer would have the most up to date information on ship dates. We do not have a listing of which dealers may currently have this unit in stock, but you can use the search feature at www.gibson.com to locate your nearest US dealer or if you live outside the US, your nearest international distributor. The dealers or distributors could provide you with information on availability of products they stock. <<<<< Now why didn't I think of that? I should have realized that even though this unit is in extremely high demand and was backordered by many stores for over 6 months that somebody out there would have one for me. I really appreciate the fact that they would take the time to read my message and promptly send me a non-form letter addressing my specific issues. I'm sure that I will do a lot of business with this company in the future thanks to their stellar customer service. Oh, in case you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic. ;-) Also, the expected ship date at Musician's Friend is now June 24th. So much for "end of the month". - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 31 13:29:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4VHTKN03719; Mon, 31 May 2004 13:29:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 13:29:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c44736$05d3a8e0$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <000e01c44733$63cdea80$6401a8c0@watercooled> Subject: Re: Thanks Gibson! Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 10:38:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At least that's only slightly better than the response I get for comments to my local NPR station (OPB). They have a "Listener's Service" that handles inquiries, and you get a mere note that says they "will pass the note on," but you get zero actual response. Things can just be tooo busy these days... dAvid ----- Original Message ----- From: "David J. Grossman" To: Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:18 AM Subject: Thanks Gibson! | Wow! I should never have disparaged Gibson for my Echoplex problems. I wrote | them a detailed e-mail explaining how I had bought and paid for an Echoplex | at Musician's Friend which was damaged and subsequently exchanged since the | expected ship date of the new units was February 5th and have been waiting | ever since watching ship dates come and go with clock-like regularity while | I paid interest on something that I did not yet have. | | It only took them 12 days to get back to me with this response: | | >>>>> | Thank you for contacting Gibson Guitars. I am sorry to hear you have had | difficulty ordering a Echoplex Digital Pro unit. Your dealer would have | the most up to date information on ship dates. We do not have a listing | of which dealers may currently have this unit in stock, but you can use | the search feature at www.gibson.com to locate your nearest US dealer or | if you live outside the US, your nearest international distributor. The | dealers or distributors could provide you with information on | availability of products they stock. | <<<<< | | Now why didn't I think of that? I should have realized that even though this | unit is in extremely high demand and was backordered by many stores for over | 6 months that somebody out there would have one for me. I really appreciate | the fact that they would take the time to read my message and promptly send | me a non-form letter addressing my specific issues. I'm sure that I will do | a lot of business with this company in the future thanks to their stellar | customer service. | | Oh, in case you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic. ;-) | | Also, the expected ship date at Musician's Friend is now June 24th. So much | for "end of the month". | | - Dave | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 31 15:58:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4VJvtP05442; Mon, 31 May 2004 15:57:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 15:57:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40BB8D61.7090404@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 15:54:09 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Monthly Report for May, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/top20may.html WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for May, 2004. Shows #372 to #375; 6-May-2004 to 27-May-2004 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Akikaze - Aquarius - Quantum Altus - Altus - none Bionight - Egoheart 1999 - none Deborah Martin and Cheryl Gallagher - Tibet - Spotted Peccary Dom F. Scab - Twelve Stories - Margen Dweller at the Threshold - Full Boundary Condition - Quantum Free System Projekt - Protoavis - Quantum Free System Projekt and Dweller at the Threshold - Passenger 4 - Quantum Jean-Pierre Saccomani - Voyage Intersidéral en Nimbus - MCP John Lakveet - Building Sequential Stones Volume 1 - Groove Kevin Bartlett - Nearlife Experience - Aural Gratification Mark Dwane - The Sirius Link - Trondant Mojave Wind - Demo Sessions - Ricochet Dream Neuronium - Hydro - Vallet Entertainment Paul Ellis - The Sacred Ordinary - Groove Paul Ellis and Craig Padilla - Echo System - Groove Radio Massacre International - Walking on Sea - Northern Echo Ron Boots - Different Stories and Twisted Tales - Groove Various Artists - Ambienism Volume One - Spiralight Various Artists - Sequences No. 29 - none Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 31 21:14:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i511Cm028434; Mon, 31 May 2004 21:12:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 21:12:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: Re: atlanta loop stuff this weekend? (and PMC-10 FA) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 21:12:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRHdYklC+7BeI3YSFOKw5pqzKUcDg== Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.hostingcertified.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hazardfactor.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While we were talking about Atlanta... I'm gonna be up there with my band the 3rd week of July playing RogueFest, anyone in that area have ideas where we can pick up another show that weekend? Also, I'm selling my spare Digitech PMC-10 (gotta help pay for the Atlanta trip..), a great midi footcontroller- perfect for the EDP...its on Ebay @ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3727369701 Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 31 23:50:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i513n8N27985; Mon, 31 May 2004 23:49:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 20:48:50 -0700 Message-Id: <9830BC71-B37E-11D8-8907-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-Id: <4C699381-B37D-11D8-8907-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig spam (Seattle) Travis Hartnett shows this week (Modified by Travis Hartnett) Resent-From: Travis Hartnett Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 20:39:34 -0700 To: Travis Hartnett X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After a couple of weeks vacation in sunny Scotland (and a chance to start digging into LoopIV), I'm back on the job here in Seattle. Two acoustic guitar looping shows this week: Thursday, June 3, 7PM, The Living Room (4301 Fremont Ave. N.) Saturday, June 5, 2PM, Tully's (Fourth Avenue and Union) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-*