From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 1 00:49:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i315gLk09604; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:42:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:42:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.24.242] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:42:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2004 05:42:14.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[162F5130:01C417AC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have found two possible "avenues" to traverse in regards to amplification and looping: one being a farily "clean", almost studio-monitor kinda sound in which the signal applied to the speaker is what comes out of the speaker (with as little coloration as possible..or neccessary), and the other being a sound which is extremely "colored" by the sound (hmmm..should I being using a more PC reference here?;-) I usually run my basses into a Raven Labs MDB1 which is a 1/2 rack space, three channel mixer, extremely flat, audiophile type response, which has a sidechain/parallel aux loop in whch either my JamMan or Fx are plugged (depending on whether I want processing pre or post loopage....which is another thread altogether....) That is run to a Raven Labs instrument Preamp, which has basic tone tweaking (usually set flat) and another parallel aux send/return (for either loops or fx) and that is sent to an Avalon U5 and on to a SWR California Blonde amp (very clean response....and a second channel which takes a mic input for 'tween song banter with the audience..very handy indeed!). Usually I run into the fx return jack on one channel of the amp, thus avoiding the preamp section altogether. This gives a very clean signal; basically what goes in thru the Raven Labs stuff and such comes out the amp. Yet......after listening to some of Andre LaFosse's work, I became intrugued to how he actually was using the amp to augment the sound of his (siganture style) loopage. I began experimenting with other amps (notably an old Ampeg FlipTop B-12 who's all tube signal path certainly "changes" the quality of the loops..yet at 130 lbs is not really gig friendly!), as well as running my entire chain into a SansAmp Bass Driver. Since this is a footswitchable type device it is nice to "kick in" some amp "warmth" (girth? grit? drive? or any of the myriad subjective terms for this) to alter the personality and character of my loops. This CAn add some nice texture and changes to loops, yet can also be ticky to properly gain stage. All that being said, I have found it most important to have a very good personal monitor mix of your playing/looping. The Cali Blonde allows me to run an extension cab (usually a SWR 1x10 or Bag End 1x12) which bumps the output up a it, but gives me a nice little monitor for which to hear myself clearly (with the amp functioning as a PA), and also makes a dandy rack stand ;-) I have found this little monitor feed extremely important in keeping all the loops "together". Hearing onself clearly (and this is in addition to your "amp") really simplifies timing issues and such. The Cali Blonde can also be run with another, powered extension which I use to send a mix of my loops to other musicians (especailly drummers) when I work with ensembles. Max _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 1 01:53:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i316pXJ23137; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 01:51:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 01:51:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040401065127.77772.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:51:27 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: live looping amplification -- and beer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002d01c41786$733312c0$5edda344@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David can you develop more on this setup? How are the loopers set up, do you use a mixer at all? Louie --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Personally, I find a JC-120 and a Fender Band Master > into a 15-inch Bag End > speaker is a nice (and loud) combination that seems > to handle all my > wicked-wacky synth-a-like looped tonalities. Tube > warmth and depth with > skreeming high end. And moving it all around keeps > me fit and trim, which > allows me to have a beer or two during a gig. > > The great thing about looping is that occasionally, > should the need arise, > during a set I can leave the stage to buy a drink, > return and pick up the . > looping thread where I left it. > > David > > P.S. I feel compelled to plug > ex-Boston-based-musician-and-fellow-international-traveler-dude-with-effects > -and-creativity, Jack Drag. Any musician who can > entitle his songs "Could > Have Been Big" and "Beer Helps Us Cope" is a winner > in my book. :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. > > > > Hi Paul, > > Good that you bring this up! > > This has been one of my frustrations trying to > have a > > good configuration to balance between digital > > versatility and the warmth of a tube power amp.I > Run a > > roland GP 100 and a Roland GR33 guitar synth into > a > > small 1202 mackie mixer, sending its aux into both > the > > Echoplex and Repeater, and then returning them > back > > into the mixers input channels so i can bounce > loops > > between both loopers.Then the overall sound goes > to a > > pair of yamaha active P.A. speakers. > > The advantage of this is total flexibility; being > able > > to mix all the signals into the loopers and then > being > > able to bounce the loops into each other,so if i > > recorded something i like into the EDP, i can send > it > > to the Repeater through the mackies aux and either > > save the loop or twist the loop further,with the > > repeaters pitch shift capability,speed it up,slow > it > > down etc. > > But i am not still 100% satisfied with the guitar > > sound.I played with tube amps half of my life and > i > > just dont get the punch i am used to just running > the > > preamp into the mixer and to the active > speakers;The > > question is if it would make a difference using a > > dedicated guitar power amp instead? > > Louie > > > > > > > > > > --- Paul Greenstein wrote: > > > I posted several weeks ago about problems with > > > trying to run my > > > Repeater through a Mesa Boogie combo - lack of > > > volume control, noise > > > problems etc. A few people replied with the > general > > > consensus being > > > that looping and tube amps do not mix well. > > > > > > Anyway, I've managed to finally come up with a > > > system which works well > > > both for 'normal' playing and for looping > purposes, > > > so I can be at > > > least reasonable versatile+portable (without > > > spending ridiculous > > > amounts of cash). I've ended up with a POD XT > pro > > > (rack) as a preamp, > > > going into a Mesa 20/20 stereo power amp (the > combo > > > went back to the > > > shop). This goes into a couple of EV speaker > cabs > > > I've had knocking > > > around for years. I run the Repeater and a > G-Major > > > via the POD's > > > effects loop. All controlled from the FCB1010 of > > > course... > > > > > > This seems to produce minimal to non-existent > noise > > > and hiss, and gives > > > me a good balance between digital versatility > and > > > the warmth of the > > > tube power amp. > > > > > > I thought it might be interesting to hear what > other > > > people use > > > sound-reinforcement wise, guitarists or not... > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on > time. > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 1 03:37:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i318ZVJ13665; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 03:35:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 03:35:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c417c4$48232c30$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <1e2.1caed9c6.2d9c8446@aol.com> <406B61C6.E9876E15@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: congrats to ANDRE LaFOSSE Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:35:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Generous AND gracious, I'd say. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:26 AM Subject: Re: congrats to ANDRE LaFOSSE > Really...?!?! Good grief, that's certainly a nice surprise - bless his > generous heart. Thanks for letting me know, Michael... > > Dude, > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > > david torn makes mention of andre in an article in this most recent > > guitar player mag.....how excellent is that.....way to go > > andre!!!!!.....michael > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 1 04:01:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i318whx19720; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 03:58:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 03:58:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009b01c417c7$96813f40$6400a8c0@Toshi> From: "CM" To: References: <1d0.1d482c0b.2d9c3ec2@aol.com> Subject: Re: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK! (Was: Loopstock 2004 - Does Anyone Care?) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:59:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "CM" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK... one more lurker comes out of the dark recesses. FWIW, the "blackface" thread spoke *volumes* about this group's geniality. Wonderful bunch here, it appears to be to me. Never saw Hans' original post, but live reasonably close to SLOtown. Interested (...but I think I may have a conflict date-wise, unfortunately). On the web, all I see is Loopstock 2003 info http://www.armatronix.com/. What are the when / where / how much / etc details on this event? TIA Cassman P.S. (Greetings, Barlow) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:33 AM Subject: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK! (Was: Loopstock 2004 - Does Anyone Care?) > Hey folks, > > In a message dated 3/30/04 8:24:44 PM, > armatronix2004@sbcglobal.net writes: > > >Not a lot of response to my last message. > >It's happening Saturday, May 1st. > > HEY! ALL OF YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW TO LOOPING, > IF YOU WANNA SEE, HEAR AND LEARN HOW IT'S DONE, > THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO GET FACE TO FACE WITH > SEVERAL EXPERTS (AND OTHER NEWBIES TOO)! IT'S > ALSO A TERRIFIC CHANCE TO NETWORK AND BUILD > RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHERS WHO SHARE SIMILAR > INTERESTS AND EXPERIENCES FROM ACROSS THE > WHOLE DAMN COUNTRY! DON'T MESS UP AND > MISS OUT!!!!!!!!!! > > Okay, end of rant . . . > > Personally, I doubt that I will be able to get > down there this time myself -- though I'd > sorely love to. I highly recommend to anyone > reading this that they get their booties > down to San Luis Obispo. CA on May 1st > to see this gig. Two years ago it was > one hellova time . . . and it even got written > up by Larry "the O" Openheimer on the back > page of Electronic Musician magazine to > boot. Be there or be square. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 1 10:09:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i31F1vq02983; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:01:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:01:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20040401065906.01c97698@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:01:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK! (Was: Loopstock 2004 - Does Anyone Care?) In-Reply-To: <009b01c417c7$96813f40$6400a8c0@Toshi> References: <1d0.1d482c0b.2d9c3ec2@aol.com> <009b01c417c7$96813f40$6400a8c0@Toshi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6qYLGC.A.gu.l7CbAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What: Loopstock 2004 When: May 1st, 2004 (all day) Where: Sweet Springs Saloon, Los Osos, CA USA How Much: Free Who: Whoever shows up Details: Those are up to the looping community -Hans At 00:59 01/04/2004, you wrote: >Never saw Hans' original post, but live reasonably close to SLOtown. >Interested (...but I think I may have a conflict date-wise, unfortunately). >On the web, all I see is Loopstock 2003 info http://www.armatronix.com/. >What are the when / where / how much / etc details on this event? > >TIA > >Cassman > >P.S. (Greetings, Barlow) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:33 AM >Subject: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK! (Was: Loopstock >2004 - Does Anyone Care?) > > > > Hey folks, > > > > In a message dated 3/30/04 8:24:44 PM, > > armatronix2004@sbcglobal.net writes: > > > > >Not a lot of response to my last message. > > >It's happening Saturday, May 1st. > > > > HEY! ALL OF YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW TO LOOPING, > > IF YOU WANNA SEE, HEAR AND LEARN HOW IT'S DONE, > > THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO GET FACE TO FACE WITH > > SEVERAL EXPERTS (AND OTHER NEWBIES TOO)! IT'S > > ALSO A TERRIFIC CHANCE TO NETWORK AND BUILD > > RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHERS WHO SHARE SIMILAR > > INTERESTS AND EXPERIENCES FROM ACROSS THE > > WHOLE DAMN COUNTRY! DON'T MESS UP AND > > MISS OUT!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Okay, end of rant . . . > > > > Personally, I doubt that I will be able to get > > down there this time myself -- though I'd > > sorely love to. I highly recommend to anyone > > reading this that they get their booties > > down to San Luis Obispo. CA on May 1st > > to see this gig. Two years ago it was > > one hellova time . . . and it even got written > > up by Larry "the O" Openheimer on the back > > page of Electronic Musician magazine to > > boot. Be there or be square. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 1 10:35:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i31FWF008186; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:32:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:32:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:13:51 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: we want Mark! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >mark, i dont know who you offended(if ya did) or sarcasticised(?) but i for >one and there are probably many more who admired or at least tolerated yer >stuff and loved or loathed yer music-so please keep the faith and post till >yer hearts content...and(dim sum) for my taste your (Marks) contributions were fun and helpful you just overdid it sometimes, both quantity and sarkasm... type a little less and think a little more and you will be remembered as the LD secretary :-) Matthias > >> Personally, I missed ya. >> >> Glad to know you're lurking out there. I'm doing much more lurking myself >> these days. >> >> Doug >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "msottilaro" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:00 PM > > Subject: Re: Digital Performer 4 > > >> >>> Hahahaha. I have to remember to not deal with email before coffee. >>> That was meant to go to a single person so to the list I apologize. >>> >>> Actually, I've been lurking for a while and I'll reply when I feel it's >>> appropriate, but not to the list. I find I can help more and not be >>> driven crazy by certain people this way. Just know that if and when >>> one of you is typing something idiotic, I'm thinking of a really funny >>> sarcastic thing in my head but just not typing it. It's best this way. >>> >>> Carry on. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> On Mar 30, 2004, at 9:27 AM, Claude Voit wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Mark is back !!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> pushed send a little too fast mmm ??? >>>> >>>> Have a nice day >>>> >>>> Claude >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mark Sottilaro" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:25 PM >>>> Subject: Digital Performer 4 >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hey, what's your address again? I'll send out some discs to you >>>>> today. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>> >>> >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 1 11:04:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i31G1QC14076; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:01:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:01:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:58:12 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: a simple loop-based meditation for children To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00bd01c41802$bc429d60$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200404010341.i313f4711611@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My wife is a social worker/counsellor by profession, and we've been playing with the idea of making a recording/book for children on how to relax and deal with tension/anger-causing events. Our son is in the first grade, and on Tuesday she and I went to his class and preformed a half-hour meditation/relaxation workshop. She read and led the kids through a relaxation meditation, and I played gentle looped music in the background. It was a wonderful success. The teached loved it, and the kids were giving my wife hugs and thanking us for the experience. My rig? A 335-style guitar (though any electric will do for me), an Akai Headrush, and a 15-watt Fender Bronco amp on about "three." It was a fine meditation for me, too: I chose a simple chord progression (C major/G major/A minor/F major) and gave each chord four beats at a tempo of about 60 beats per minute. I "played" the progression in my mind, then set the length of the Headrush accordingly using the delay mode with maximum feedback (one tap to start the length, one tap to end). While my wife introduced the work (discussing what causes tension and fear, how it feels in the body, and how we can conquer the feeling by relaxing and meditating on positive things), I held the tempo and progression in my mind. I kept myself in sync with the Headrush's LED for the first of the sixteen beats. Then, as she began the meditation proper, I began the music, layering one note at a time through the progression. A great joy, and absolute minimal gear. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 1 12:01:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i31GwCo28960; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:58:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:58:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Loopstock 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:57:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040401065906.01c97698@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQX+wFYyrunr4r9TPS+o9JL8Pn/rAADxsKg Message-Id: <20040401165806.QYCG2428.fed1mtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oooh, California casual! Right on, Hans . . . Wish I could be there-- Gary -----Original Message----- From: armatronix [mailto:armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK! (Was: Loopstock 2004 - Does Anyone Care?) What: Loopstock 2004 When: May 1st, 2004 (all day) Where: Sweet Springs Saloon, Los Osos, CA USA How Much: Free Who: Whoever shows up Details: Those are up to the looping community -Hans At 00:59 01/04/2004, you wrote: >Never saw Hans' original post, but live reasonably close to SLOtown. >Interested (...but I think I may have a conflict date-wise, unfortunately). >On the web, all I see is Loopstock 2003 info http://www.armatronix.com/. >What are the when / where / how much / etc details on this event? > >TIA > >Cassman > >P.S. (Greetings, Barlow) > Ted Killian wrote: > > > Hey folks, > > > > In a message dated 3/30/04 8:24:44 PM, armatronix2004@sbcglobal.net > > writes: > > > > >Not a lot of response to my last message. > > >It's happening Saturday, May 1st. > > > > HEY! ALL OF YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW TO LOOPING, IF YOU WANNA SEE, > > HEAR AND LEARN HOW IT'S DONE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 1 13:02:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i31Hwng13329; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:58:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:58:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:49:27 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com some points to remember: - any distortions which sounds good on the guitar probably sounds bad on the loops, so they have to happen before the loop - monitoring is essencial (as max points out). Its not only volume or sound quality, but distance! remember that sound travels at 300m/s so 1 meter brings 3 ms, a delay that we just about accept when its happening in the notebook... - depending on style and music it can be important that the original and looped sound completely mix, or it can be that it helps to have them from different directions. Think about whether you want to be a soloist with a machine that does some background or whether all you do is one thing and what you play is just one layer of the whole - the contracter, the public, your spine, your car, your neighbours, even your wallet will love if you can do without a guitar amp. The same sound in the headphones, the monitors, the PA, on the recordings - its just waaay more practical! - It may not sound exactly as it did in the 60ies, but decent tools have been made, and once you get used to them, they may even sound better, at least much more versatile. - guitar speakers bundle upper middle range. a 12" speaker is not able to spread treble. The amp has a filter to push the frequencies out of the lame big cone, and the bundling makes that only your trowsers and one sector of the public hears those frequencies, and usualy far to much of it :-) - I dont understand why amps with open back are still built and bought. It just does not sound right. Bass reflex has been invented decades ago... - reverb only works in stereo. then it opens up... in mono it closes down... - whatever effort you make to get exactly the sound you want - the public will only profit because you feel well while playing. They hardly can distinguish a real AC30 from some modern simulator, and they dont care so much, they like a simple clean direct2desk sound if you play well... but you put on some big reverb, some really new sounds and stuff, they sure dig that! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 1 13:47:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i31IiBI22991; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:44:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:44:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040401065906.01c97698@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> References: <1d0.1d482c0b.2d9c3ec2@aol.com> <009b01c417c7$96813f40$6400a8c0@Toshi> <6.0.3.0.0.20040401065906.01c97698@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:40:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopstock 2002 was one of the most impressive experiences of my life! Several people I met there are important friends up to date. Ok, we met before on the list and sometimes we hardly knew what to say, because all that can be said had been typed before, but the bigger the feeling was of finally coming together and live the music we had been talking about all the time... The sound was great, two stages were practical, the musicians brought all kinds of style, Hans had made it all go automatically... ...and there is a picture and a recordings up on http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/Sessions02.htm well, that festival was the first I went... possibly others would have given me a similar impression, how can I know... the first time is only once... Last year, there have been great meetings in Stockholm and Berlin and others I did not participate... dont do it just alone all the time! :-) Matthias >What: Loopstock 2004 >When: May 1st, 2004 (all day) >Where: Sweet Springs Saloon, Los Osos, CA USA >How Much: Free >Who: Whoever shows up >Details: Those are up to the looping community > >-Hans > >> > >>> HEY! ALL OF YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW TO LOOPING, >>> IF YOU WANNA SEE, HEAR AND LEARN HOW IT'S DONE, >>> THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO GET FACE TO FACE WITH >>> SEVERAL EXPERTS (AND OTHER NEWBIES TOO)! IT'S >>> ALSO A TERRIFIC CHANCE TO NETWORK AND BUILD >>> RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHERS WHO SHARE SIMILAR >>> INTERESTS AND EXPERIENCES FROM ACROSS THE >>> WHOLE DAMN COUNTRY! DON'T MESS UP AND >> > MISS OUT!!!!!!!!!! >>> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 1 15:54:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i31Kl8o23599; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:47:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:47:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.127.210.10] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <1d0.1d482c0b.2d9c3ec2@aol.com> <009b01c417c7$96813f40$6400a8c0@Toshi> <6.0.3.0.0.20040401065906.01c97698@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK! Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:47:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2004 20:47:01.0565 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BAA06D0:01C4182A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm going to bring a new duo I'm working with for this year's LoopStock festival. For me Loopstock has been kind of a milestone event every year. Its been really fun to watch and hear the growth of the musicians that play every year, as well as looping music in general. Its a chance for me to sit back and realize all of the new stuff everyone has been working on in the past year, as well as realize all the stuff I've done in the past year. Last year we had several amazing clinics, and a whole slew of great playing. So if there's any chance you can make it, you should definitely do everything you can to get there. Jon ps. stay tuned in the next few days for an mp3 of the duo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 2 01:44:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i326gDP04654; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 01:42:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 01:42:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 03:41:44 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: the coloring of the guitar (add to: live looping amplification) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2Bg91D.A.lIB.FtQbAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a point I forgot about Guitar amplifying: a guitar amp has character. Thats great. There is more spirit in it than in a PA somehow. Technically this is mostly resonances and some other kinds of distortion. Filters can also flatten attacks and correct instrument failures. But they mostly stay the same for all sounds and each layer of the loop! Dont you want to express your thing in the first place? You have a lot of character just by the way you pluck the strings, phrase and tune. I found those things come through better when there is not too much other character. I dont vote for dead stuff at all, but just see how far you want to go. A steelstring is a heavy limitation and has strong character to start with, and then it goes through n steps until the roomcharacter... picture: its hard to project a colorful picture through a sequence of colored lenses. In other words: I would not want to make a plublic listen to a guitar with a guitar amp for a whole night. It may sound great and fill a space in a band well, but on a more neutral speaker system you manage to give a more balanced sound spectrum to the public, a full massage, so to speak :-) We can work out a system which is loud enough for most places without PA, light, quickly controlable, and can bring most of the basic sound types like: heavy, clear, bright, singing, aggressive, smooth, soft, dark, stressy, romantic, happy,,, we can produce them with our fingers on the strings, but by adding the right effect, we enhance and sum up a multicolor picture. And in many places they love you because you play so low - while you do not necessarily play with less total volume, but with less resonances and a more spread sound spectrum! Some listeners say: ohh, you can do flutes and celos and caverns and snowfields and whatnot - it does not sound so similar to me - no such intention - but its stimulating associations! - one of the ways we can help people :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 2 03:41:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i328eD031634; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 03:40:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 03:40:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <54B61548-8481-11D8-B07E-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 02:40:01 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 31, 2004, at 11:42 PM, max valentino wrote: > sound of his (siganture style) loopage. I began experimenting with > other amps (notably an old Ampeg FlipTop B-12 who's all tube signal > path certainly "changes" the quality of the loops..yet at 130 lbs is > not really gig friendly!), as well as running my entire chain not really gig friendly? what are you talking about? good sound is HEAVY man ... haha.. ok well good sound can be lightweight too. i recently sold my JC-120 and Hiwatt 200 (to fund Eventide and other ridiculous massive equipment expenditures) and my only remaining bad-ass guitar amp is the Ampeg M-15: The Jazz Box From Hell. this thing has an open-back enclosure, 2 6L6s, a Jensen 15" Alnico driver (similar to my Leslies), and 2 channels (clean and clean, as clean as an unrebuilt 40 year old guitar amp can be) with simple gain and tone controls. bridging the channels is fun and necessary for maximal drive and tone. it also has a non-functioning tremolo circuit. this amp is currently completely non-functional as last time plugged it in one of the capacitors lit up RED HOT!! i decided not to use it for awhile. hopefully Kevin Hull in Indianapolis will be re-building it soon. i care about this amplifier. what does this have to do with "live looping amplification" you ask? well my friend Nathan used it as his amp for our Squeaky Clean Laundromat gigs with my old looping rig which i passed on to him: a Digitech TSR-24 and the RDS Unit Of Obscene Loop Length. pictured here on one of my front page graphics: http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sights/squeaky.jpg nasty guitar loopage sounds bitchin through it. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 2 04:38:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i329atb13347; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 04:36:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 04:36:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:36:53 +0100 Subject: Re: the coloring of the guitar (add to: live looping amplification) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4691C282-8489-11D8-B898-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Coloring of the guitar: an interesting phrase - There are so many factors involved in terms of the final sound that reaches the listener's ears. We are creating 'Sonorous Air' (not my words) - but I think a good way to describe an intangible process. With experience, the musician learns to control all aspects of his/her tools, from strings on wood through to digital hardware and software. Dynamics, phrasing, tempo - it's the stuff that makes playing music a world in itself. An analogue for life but also a great escape. On a more down to earth level - I regularly waste many words trying to explain what I do and want to achieve to people who work in music stores - you want to get their input regarding the choices you might make when buying some piece of gear, tube amplifier or whatever, but they can only see things in terms of 'all you need is three channels - clean, crunch and lead'... There's more to it than that, as Matthias's comments demonstrate. Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 2 09:22:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i32EHEx30106; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:17:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:17:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <406D7471.7030100@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:10:57 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #367 for April 1, 2004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040401.html

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on
the internet.

                    Show #367                    April 1, 2004

RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on the Alpha Wave Movement.  The
Featured CD at Midnight was "A Distant Signal" on Harmonic Resonance Records.

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Galaxie Cygnus-A" by Robert Schroder on IC
Records.

I played the music of AirSculpture who will play at the next Gatherings on
April 17.  For details, see the EMUSIC Events page.

Alpha Wave Movement - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#apr
 EMUSIC Events Page - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:00 pm
Robert Schroder         Teil 4                   Galaxie Cygnus-A (IC)
AirSculpture            Slow Glass               Attrition System (NeuHarmony)
Paul Lawler             Ice Station              Bronx Shadows (Ricochet Dream)
Ian Boddy               Mechanic Organic         Chiasmata (DiN)
Alpha Wave Movement     Prologue Sequence        Cosmology (Groove)
VA [Redshift]           Echo Flow                Bridges (Echodisc)
Max Corbacho            Nocturnal Emanations     Nocturnal Emanations (Space
                                                   for Music)
Zero Ohms               Sea of Cold              Spacial Glacial Nebulous (++)

12:00 am
Alpha Wave Movement     Mapping the Heavens      A Distant Signal (HRR)
Alpha Wave Movement     Distant Signals          A Distant Signal (HRR)
Alpha Wave Movement     Liquid Cosmos            A Distant Signal (HRR)
Alpha Wave Movement     A Place of Peace         A Distant Signal (HRR)
Alpha Wave Movement     Outward Bound            A Distant Signal (HRR)
Alpha Wave Movement     Centauri Memories        A Distant Signal (HRR)
Alpha Wave Movement     Requiem for C.S.         A Distant Signal (HRR)
Alpha Wave Movement     Portal Full of Stars     A Distant Signal (HRR)
Alpha Wave Movement     Plasma Cloud             A Distant Signal (HRR)
Alpha Wave Movement     No Mans Land             A Distant Signal (HRR)
Alpha Wave Movement     Lunar Sunrise            A Distant Signal (HRR)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Alpha Wave
Movement</a>.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Drifted Into Deeper Lands"
on Groove Records.

The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Electronic Realizations for Rock
Orchestra" by Synergy (Larry Fast) on Passport Records.

I will play the music of AirSculpture who will be performing at the Gatherings
on April 17.

Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  Thursdays at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click  LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic
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 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 3 12:43:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i33Halm05229; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:36:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:36:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c419a2$48bb5750$0502a8c0@DV3LRLLX93J1BI> From: "Macrooshkeen" To: Subject: EDP record foot switch acting up Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:37:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C419AA.AA5E0680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Resent-Message-ID: <6kkY2D.A.mRB.uYvbAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C419AA.AA5E0680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone able to tell me if the starange behaviour by the RECORD fswicth = is likely to be a setting or the swicth itself? When I press it the EDP = goes into record, but when I press it again it seems to o a double press = and I end up with a loop af about 0.04 seconds, or the second press will = start recording again. I've disconnected all midi etc. If it turns out to be a dodgy switch problem, any suggestions on where = can I order another? I'm in the UK. Thanks, Andrew ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C419AA.AA5E0680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone able to tell me if the starange = behaviour by=20 the RECORD fswicth is likely to be a setting or the swicth itself? When = I press=20 it the EDP goes into record, but when I press it again it seems to o a = double=20 press and I end up with a loop af about 0.04 seconds, or the second = press will=20 start recording again. I've disconnected all midi etc.
 
If it turns out to be a dodgy switch = problem, any=20 suggestions on where can I order another? I'm in the UK.
 
Thanks,
Andrew
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C419AA.AA5E0680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 3 14:21:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i33JJ2Z21302; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:19:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:19:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <89.7623b50.2da0681b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:18:51 EST Subject: Re: EDP record foot switch acting up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i33JJ1o21280 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, It sounds all too familiarly like a problem with the switch itself. "Record" is the one that gets the most use/abuse so it's not too surprising that it goes first. I've replaced a few over the years. Try Mouser Electronics Part# 10PA005 View it on their website at: http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?&handler=data.listcategory&Ntt=*10pA005*&terms=10pA005&Dk=1&D=*10pA005*&N=0&crc=true They're a little more than $1 US from Mouser. I bought a bag of 20 from them for around $17 a few years back -- which I figure will be a lifetime supply. I have no idea what the exchange rate will be for you (or if there are import/customs duties to figure in). But they're not too hard to replace if you are the least bit handy with a soldering iron. Buy a few extras and keep 'em tucked away for future emergencies. Good luck. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 3 16:19:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i33LGkE06095; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:16:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:16:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c419c0$f89bc5b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: Subject: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:16:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wanted to send my endorsement of LOOPSTOCK in as well: Not only have I learned a hell of a lot by attending the past two LOOPSTOCK's but the feeling of community and the sense of fun has been really wonderful for me. I've learned new techniques; watched people be creative with the same tools that I have but in completely different ways and watched the live looping community really grow aesthetically and in presentation. The difference in everyone's sets from one year to the next has been really inspiring to me. Every year I leave just buzzing with creativity and a feeling that what we are doing as a community really matters. Hell, I just did a gig with the wonderful singer/songwriter/producer Kenny Edwards (Linda Rondstadt, Karla Bonoff, Brindle) the other night and he was using a Line 6 to loop under his solos. He's a typical singer/songwriter.........not a looper, per se, but I know that all the work we've done has helped make it so that live looping is being accepted as a normal thing (as opposed to the 'strange, new' thing that it has been for the past ten years since the popular digital loopers have hit the market). I'll be there with bells and whistles on and I hope everybody who can makes it down to Los Ossos (San Luis Obispo). That's Saturday, May 1st.............plan to stay over for the wonderful Sunday brunch that follows each of these events. I've met some amazing artists and contacts at this brunch. Yours, Rick Walker aka L()()p.p()()L ps and if you are in the Bay Area come check out Jon Wagner's and my set at the Found Object Festival at the San Jose Museum of Art tomorrow (Sunday at 2 p.m. and don't forget to set your clocks forward). We'll be using all kinds of looping tricks with whatever junk and found objects the audience will bring us (which is all we are allowed to make music out of). It's going to be very fun and creative and Loopers Delights' own Matt Davignon will be performing along with a great roster of other artists From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 3 16:38:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i33LaXM08645; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:36:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:36:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <406F2ED4.8896F5F3@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:38:29 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK References: <005601c419c0$f89bc5b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0qsL4.A.9GC.g5ybAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "loop.pool" wrote: > he was using a Line 6 to loop under his solos. He's a > typical singer/songwriter.........not a looper, per se, Pardon me for asking, but... if using a Line6 to loop with doesn't make one a "looper," then what exactly does? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 3 16:42:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i33Lf3s09226; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:41:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:41:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:40:56 -0800 Message-ID: <405C578F00008B2C@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <406F2ED4.8896F5F3@earthlink.net> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i33Lf2o09196 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com intention? peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:38:29 -0800 >From: Andre LaFosse >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >"loop.pool" wrote: > >> he was using a Line 6 to loop under his solos. He's a >> typical singer/songwriter.........not a looper, per se, > >Pardon me for asking, but... if using a Line6 to loop with doesn't make >one a "looper," then what exactly does? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 3 16:55:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i33LrgR11716; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:53:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:53:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <406F32DC.FE9D54D8@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:55:41 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK References: <405C578F00008B2C@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris Roberts wrote: > intention? OK. So then, if the intention of a typical singer-songwriter with a DL-4 is to loop something under his solos, then the intention of a "looper" is...? I'm not trying to be difficult or argumentative here at all - I would simply love to have a better understanding of a seemingly arbitrary distinction which I've been trying (and failing) to understand for years... Hmmm, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 3 17:51:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i33Mo3A20167; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 17:50:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 17:50:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:49:55 -0800 Message-ID: <405C578F00008B76@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <406F32DC.FE9D54D8@earthlink.net> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i33Mo3o20146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess my answer reflects my viewpoint of 'labels'... like any art genre, or for that matter 'art' in general... people argue endlessly as to whether something fits a genre, or if it is even art... as well, am I a 'distortionist' if I use a distortion pedal? labels (like most language) are thin because of thier subjectivity... should we agree on what the terms mean? or should we accept that these slippery words are just a starting point in understanding, and that 'dialog' is the only way to fully understand... I think he is a looper, in that he uses looping, and I think that is what you are saying... but, maybe Rick suggesting that he is not a looper, because it is not his intention to 'loop' using singing as part of his looping technique, but he intends to 'sing' using looping as part of his singing technique... we are all right, in that we just used the same word to describe different things, both of which are true... Oh hey, I just figured it out, he is a looper, but not a Looper... :) Thus, all Loopers are loopers, but not all loopers are Loopers... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:55:41 -0800 >From: Andre LaFosse >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Chris Roberts wrote: > >> intention? > >OK. So then, if the intention of a typical singer-songwriter with a >DL-4 is to loop something under his solos, then the intention of a >"looper" is...? > >I'm not trying to be difficult or argumentative here at all - I would >simply love to have a better understanding of a seemingly arbitrary >distinction which I've been trying (and failing) to understand for years... > >Hmmm, > >--Andre > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 3 18:00:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i33Mrj720714; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 17:53:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 17:53:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20040403144320.01c69b58@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 14:53:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK In-Reply-To: <406F32DC.FE9D54D8@earthlink.net> References: <405C578F00008B2C@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> <406F32DC.FE9D54D8@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the traditional spirit of publicly putting Andre on the spot regarding Loopstock: Andre, are you going to grace us with your presence this year? I've heard that you have a brilliant new album out, and are getting some really good press. Your appearance at Loopstock 2004, the festival which you named, would be just wonderful. Maybe we could even roll out the EDP tutorial video? That thing has been like a 50-Gigabyte albatross hanging around the neck of my hard drives, denying me any chance at creative liberation, and it would be great to finally get it out to its anxious audience. ;) Love, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 4 10:10:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i34E7wK13125; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:07:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:07:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c41a4e$47adcbc0$0502a8c0@DV3LRLLX93J1BI> From: "Macrooshkeen" To: References: <89.7623b50.2da0681b@aol.com> Subject: Re: EDP record foot switch acting up Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 15:08:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info Ted, I'll give the Mouser people a go. If they can send the switches by US mail it shouldn't be too expensive Thanks, ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: Re: EDP record foot switch acting up > Hi there, > > It sounds all too familiarly like a problem with the switch itself. "Record" > is the one that gets the most use/abuse so it's not too surprising that it > goes first. I've replaced a few over the years. > > Try Mouser Electronics Part# 10PA005 > > View it on their website at: > http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?&handler=data.listcategory&Ntt=*10pA005*&terms=10pA005&Dk=1&D=*10pA005*&N=0&crc=true > > They're a little more than $1 US from Mouser. I bought a bag of 20 from them > for around $17 a few years back -- which I figure will be a lifetime supply. I > have no idea what the exchange rate will be for you (or if there are > import/customs duties to figure in). But they're not too hard to replace if you are > the least bit handy with a soldering iron. Buy a few extras and keep 'em tucked > away for future emergencies. > > Good luck. > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 4 10:31:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i34ETwi15545; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:29:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:29:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4097A80B.3000809@soundscapes.us> Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 10:26:19 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for April 3, 2004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2004/040403.html

The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.

                   Show #42                    April 3, 2004.

In Phase I of this show, I played the music of AirSculpture who will be at the
next Gatherings in Philadelphia on the 17th.


Phase I/Space:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Gert Emmens             Obscure Movements in     Obscure Movements in Twilight
                         Twilight Shades          Shades Groove)
AirSculpture            Part 5                   Europa (NeuHarmony)
Ian Boddy               Gravity Well             Chiasmata (DiN)
Ian Boddy               Dark Matter              Chiasmata (DiN)
Alpha Wave Movement     Distant Edens            Cosmology (Groove)
Gert Emmens and         So Long                  Return to the Origon (Groove
 Ruud Heij                                        and Quantum)


Phase II/Eclectic:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Jim Pietkivitch         Desert Journey           Inner Worlds (Electrofine)
VA [Coyote Oldman]      Canyon Flutes            Echoes Living Room Concerts
                                                Volume 6 (Echoedisc)
Jennifer and Jonathan   Montana Skies            Montana Skies (Sonic
 Adams                                            Grapefruit)


Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Clearlight              Movement IV              Infinite Symphony (Clearlight)
Jack Foster             Bohemian Soul            Jack Foster III (Musea)
Porcupint Tree          Blackest Eyes            In Absentia (Lava)
VA [Robert Berry]       Roundabout               Tales from Yesterday (Magna
                                                  Carta)
Enchant                 Tug of War               Tug of War (InsideOut)

* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on April 17.

Bill
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Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm
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========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 4 11:41:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i34Fd6b23837; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 11:39:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 11:39:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Frank Schultz" To: Subject: RE: EDP record foot switch acting up Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 11:39:18 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c41a5a$fe0efb30$6401a8c0@your6bvpxyztoq> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C41A39.76FD5B30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001801c419a2$48bb5750$0502a8c0@DV3LRLLX93J1BI> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C41A39.76FD5B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have fixed that same problem with contact cleaner on the =BC=94 jack = and plug. =20 Frank Schultz -----Original Message----- From: Macrooshkeen [mailto:macrooshkeen@peblah.eclipse.co.uk]=20 Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP record foot switch acting up =20 Anyone able to tell me if the starange behaviour by the RECORD fswicth is likely to be a setting or the swicth itself? When I press it the EDP goes into record, but when I press it again it seems to o a double press and I end up with a loop af about 0.04 seconds, or the second press will start recording again. I've disconnected all midi etc. =20 If it turns out to be a dodgy switch problem, any suggestions on where can I order another? I'm in the UK. =20 Thanks, Andrew =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C41A39.76FD5B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have fixed that same problem with contact cleaner on the =BC” jack and = plug.

 

Frank = Schultz

-----Original = Message-----
From: Macrooshkeen [mailto:macrooshkeen@peblah.eclipse.co.uk]
Sent: = Saturday, April 03, = 2004 12:37 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EDP record foot = switch acting up

 

Anyone able to tell me if = the starange behaviour by the RECORD fswicth is likely to be a setting or = the swicth itself? When I press it the EDP goes into record, but when I = press it again it seems to o a double press and I end up with a loop af about = 0.04 seconds, or the second press will start recording again. I've disconnected all = midi etc.

 

If it turns out to be a = dodgy switch problem, any suggestions on where can I order another? I'm in the = UK= .

 

Thanks,

Andrew

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C41A39.76FD5B30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 4 16:21:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i34KHAp31446; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:17:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:17:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c41a84$342a2900$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Ben Grossman with cheryl o + quasiMODAL Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:34:18 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 4 16:31:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i34KTsY00866; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:29:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:29:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <406F32DC.FE9D54D8@earthlink.net> References: <405C578F00008B2C@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> <406F32DC.FE9D54D8@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 17:28:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Andre comes back to the old question... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Chris Roberts wrote: > >> intention? > >OK. So then, if the intention of a typical singer-songwriter with a >DL-4 is to loop something under his solos, then the intention of a >"looper" is...? > >I'm not trying to be difficult or argumentative here at all - I would >simply love to have a better understanding of a seemingly arbitrary >distinction which I've been trying (and failing) to understand for years... I think you really do understand what Rick was saying. You want a definition but dont help for it to happen. As if people were not allowed to use words without having a definition for it. when someone sais to you: "I love you" do you say: "Pardon me for asking, but... what do you mean by love?" LOL yes, there is brother love, hot love, platonic love, real love, ... but it all does not mean anything unless you feel it... or what? but you did not cite Rick quite correctly: >He's a typical singer/songwriter.........not a looper, per se so it seems that in his language the guy is a looper because he uses loops but not a "looper per se", maybe because its not his main interest as Chris points out nicely or because "real looping" (just to tease you ;-) rather suggests a A A' A''... structure than A B A C A... or whatever makes a "typical singer/songwriter" (hey whats this? define! ;-) about the tool defining the art or even the person: I play the guitar, so I am a guitarist I play the percussion, but I am not really good at it, so I am not a percussionist. Some guitarists that play very badly, but they are guitarists anyway, just because they have that function / fascination... Someone may be fanatic about using loops more than playing any specific instrument, so why not call him a looper. Others go on to play their songs as before, but care to enrich them with some loops. So they probably still are songwriters and not loopers. my main message: Its not so difficult, once you want to understand and use the expression. If you want to find a perfect definition, or worse: if you want to prove that there is no perfect definition, you will always be right, but loose a peaceful communication. If we can join forces to find a definition description of looping or Live Looping or whatever, thats certainly helpfull! So far all atempt on this list were strangled by the question whether there is such thing or what the correct name would be. Tiring, I must say :-( I put a lot of energy into creating a mutual support organization to inform the world about looping music and make looping musicians life easier. The ones that did not like the idea (mainly for the lack of a hard definition) won. Also because Kevin left Gibson. I lost 3 months. But what did you win, really? Well, I have more things to do, maybe things I can do better... :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 4 17:52:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i34LnfH11263; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 17:49:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 17:49:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:49:43 -0400 Subject: Chris Cutler show in Cambridge (USA) From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i34Lnfo11239 Resent-Message-ID: <-4GtaB.A.3vC.1LIcAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I¹m very excited to announce an upcoming gig with drummer Chris Cutler (Henry Cow, Art Bears, Fred Frith, etc. etc.) and my good friend Steve MacLean at Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge MA. Details below-- subconsciouscafe new chamber music presents a special IMPROVISED MUSIC EVENT at ZEITGEIST GALLERY Saturday, April 17 9:30­Midnite CHRIS CUTLER w/ Steve MacLean & Dan Soltzberg Chris Cutler electronics, percussion (Art Bears, Henry Cow, Pere Ubu) Steve MacLean guitar & electronics (Dr. Nerve, Roswell Rudd, Node) Dan Soltzberg bass & electronics (ghost 7, Orange, Node) opening: Andrew Neumann Laptop, switches, sensors ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St., Inman Square, Cambridge MA 617.876.6060 zeitgeist-gallery.org ~ ALL AGES ~ donation $10 or b/o If you're in the Boston/Cambridge area, I hope you'll come by and check it out. - Dan -- ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 d.ans@rcn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 4 22:58:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i352p8U20240; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 22:51:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 22:51:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c41ab8$d9c7ef80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: WHAT's A LIVE LOOPER, ANYWAY? Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 19:51:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre enquired: "Pardon me for asking, but... if using a Line6 to loop with doesn't make one a "looper," then what exactly does?" I typed that rather hastily, 'Dre. I should have said that he doesn't CONSIDER himself a 'live looper', which would distinguish him, in that sense, from someone who actively thinks of themselves as live loopers, like myself or Matthias Grob or Per Boysen or, perhaps, you. It's a hair split of course and, as with all categorizations, intrinsically innacurate and made merely to make the point that live looping techniques have insuated themselves into the live performances of lots of musicians who, five years ago, wouldn't have used them. What I was trying to get across in that poorly worded paragraph was the sense of excitement that the live looping thing seems to be becoming normal and accepted. I had the same sense of excitement when, last year, I read an article in our home town entertainment rag about live looping artist Amy X Neuburg. It was the first time I had ever seen a mention of such a thing in print where the journalist assumed that everyone reading the article already knew what live looping was. After hundreds of hours of producing gigs, promoting, doing radio and press interviews and playing close to 100 concerts I felt a little bit of satisfaction that all of our work in this community (even if you dont' think there is such a thing) has paid off in a positive way. Hope that clarification makes sense, bro. ************* Also, I too would love to know if you are going to grace us with a performance and/or clinic (preferably both) at Loopstock this year. I, for one, would love to see and hear what you are up to, currently. warmly yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 4 23:16:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i353EbM23404; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:14:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:14:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4070CF90.3754085@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 20:16:32 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre comes back to the old question... and goes away from the old list References: <405C578F00008B2C@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> <406F32DC.FE9D54D8@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No Matthias, it's not about trying to create conflict, or trying to stifle answers. It actually has something to do with a quote which I learned from Rick Walker, ironically enough: "There is no us and them; there is only us." So when I hear about - for instance - somebody using a DL4 to loop under a solo, who is "not a looper per se," it raises questions for me. It makes me wonder where the distinction between the "them" of this DL4-touting singer-songwriter is made, to differentiate him from "us." It makes me wonder what the common defining traits are of the 500-odd people who are on this list, reading this thread right now, that would imbue them with a "true looper" designation, that's missing from our Line 6-soloing emmisary of the "them" delegation. It makes me wonder a lot of things - like why serious, intelligent, critical discussion, which can take into account the 40 or 50 years of historical precedent for the subject of the discussion list, always seems to make a bunch of everyone's collective undergarments in a forum made up principally of adult, middle-aged men. I'm sorry to hear that I was apparently responsible for your losing three months, Matthias. Maybe it would be easier if everyone thought the same things, felt the same feelings, and understood the same unspoken beliefs. Unfortunately, I'm a pretty dumb person, so sometimes I need things explained to me, and sometimes it takes an explanation that goes into more depth and detail than "It is this way because this is the way we say that it is." For the time being, I don't want to be a negative vibe merchant - especially to the people whose work and music I've spent innumerable hours trying to be supportive and enlightening about over the course of eight and a half years. So as wise man once said, "My work here is done. Now, I must go." Perhaps I'll poke my head back in at some point. In the meantime, those who want to know how to track me down. Good luck to y'all. --Andre LaFosse Matthias Grob wrote: > I put a lot of energy into creating a mutual support organization to > inform the world about looping music and make looping musicians life > easier. > The ones that did not like the idea (mainly for the lack of a hard > definition) won. Also because Kevin left Gibson. I lost 3 months. > But what did you win, really? > Well, I have more things to do, maybe things I can do better... :-) > > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 5 00:26:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i353OBt24538; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c41abd$cd84f380$af84a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <405C578F00008B2C@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> <406F32DC.FE9D54D8@earthlink.net> <4070CF90.3754085@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Andre comes back to the old question... and goes away from the old list Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:26:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.132.175] at Sun, 4 Apr 2004 22:24:09 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre - maybe the answer is simple: maybe we're weird. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 11:16 PM Subject: Re: Andre comes back to the old question... and goes away from the old list > No Matthias, it's not about trying to create conflict, or trying to > stifle answers. > > It actually has something to do with a quote which I learned from Rick > Walker, ironically enough: > > "There is no us and them; there is only us." > > So when I hear about - for instance - somebody using a DL4 to loop under > a solo, who is "not a looper per se," it raises questions for me. It > makes me wonder where the distinction between the "them" of this > DL4-touting singer-songwriter is made, to differentiate him from "us." > It makes me wonder what the common defining traits are of the 500-odd > people who are on this list, reading this thread right now, that would > imbue them with a "true looper" designation, that's missing from our > Line 6-soloing emmisary of the "them" delegation. > > It makes me wonder a lot of things - like why serious, intelligent, > critical discussion, which can take into account the 40 or 50 years of > historical precedent for the subject of the discussion list, always > seems to make a bunch of everyone's collective undergarments in a forum > made up principally of adult, middle-aged men. > > I'm sorry to hear that I was apparently responsible for your losing > three months, Matthias. Maybe it would be easier if everyone thought > the same things, felt the same feelings, and understood the same > unspoken beliefs. Unfortunately, I'm a pretty dumb person, so sometimes > I need things explained to me, and sometimes it takes an explanation > that goes into more depth and detail than "It is this way because this > is the way we say that it is." > > For the time being, I don't want to be a negative vibe merchant - > especially to the people whose work and music I've spent innumerable > hours trying to be supportive and enlightening about over the course of > eight and a half years. > > So as wise man once said, "My work here is done. Now, I must go." > > Perhaps I'll poke my head back in at some point. In the meantime, those > who want to know how to track me down. > > Good luck to y'all. > > --Andre LaFosse > > > Matthias Grob wrote: > > I put a lot of energy into creating a mutual support organization to > > inform the world about looping music and make looping musicians life > > easier. > > The ones that did not like the idea (mainly for the lack of a hard > > definition) won. Also because Kevin left Gibson. I lost 3 months. > > But what did you win, really? > > Well, I have more things to do, maybe things I can do better... :-) > > > > -- > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 5 03:33:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i357UZg23226; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 03:30:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 03:30:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Back to the DL4 and singer/songwriters Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 00:30:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQahBtY+a6qpbxJQxaCeOTzJq9lvgAWRuRg Message-Id: <20040405073028.QRPP25769.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is regarding the "not a looper, using a looper" thread . . . As fate would have it, I just acquired a DL4 and used it to practice during a weekend in Las Vegas (had a gig, it rained pretty good out there!). I found that the loop length is not long enough for many song structures (28 seconds) for my purposes--I knew this from before, I had one when I got my first Gibson EDP and took it back, but wanted to give it another try. So I am assuming that Kenny Edwards was using the DL4 as a tap tempo delay (maybe in loop mode, tho) to add content to his solos, rather than create structure over which to solo--correct me if I'm wrong, Rick. Longer loop times are rather convenient for us singer/songwriter types, so that we can solo over structure which was initially sung over. Ironically, some years back when Andre and I shared a conversation and a warm beverage in Sherman Oaks, he opined that we were not so different, as looping guitarists (this was before he heard me play 8^) and I observed, "I'm a singer". Andre kicks butt as a guitarist and so does Matthias-- Thanks to everybody here for moving this wonderful technology forward and taking a chance with it--if it isn't all progressive, know that progress is being made and you are a part of it. Like to quote Ben Franklin now, at the signing of the Declaration of Independence: We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. Peace, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 5 05:40:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i359Wp504942; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 05:32:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 05:32:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4070CF90.3754085@earthlink.net> References: <405C578F00008B2C@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> <406F32DC.FE9D54D8@earthlink.net> <4070CF90.3754085@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 06:26:57 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Andre comes back to the old question... and goes away from the old list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, man, this is not my day... Most readers here probably dont understand at all what is going on (trying to give a balanced review): In 1996, Andre (at the time: "The Man Himself") was the first person to post to this list! And in the first month he typed for example: "This would be an ideal way to try and compile the most definitive works by the most prominent loopists (is that what we're supposed to call ourselves?)" A month later, I posted "linguistic again", trying to define the use of words, but in vain... Since then we had many discussions of the kind, often bringing up interesting philosophical and marketing and whatnot analysis... and a lot of gear and tricks and laughter... 40-70 posts every day, during years! in October '02 I started the thread: "Please lets all sit together now and define what we do!" ...which did not work out, because a part of the list members (not just Andre!) felt that any common name or definition for the kind of music that most people on this list create would also be a limitation and exclusion of the ones that do not quite fit into the definition. True. A problem. With words in general and especially description of art! Marketing through genres inhibits a lot of non main stream music! A big variety of musical styles and looping tools are used, so neither approach would lead to a satisfactory definition of what everyone does here. As a result, some agreed to call what they do "Live Looping", and others did not like this name or gathering. An unpleasant situation that was never solved. Some energy was lost. Some negativity came up. But it never came to any discrimination, did it? No one here was limited in his creativity and freedom to play and market the music they want and call them the way they want! No one was rejected from a festival because he did not match some definition - after all, we still dont have such a definition... What we do is much more important than words, no? Still, the words exploded again. I am very sorry for that. >I'm sorry to hear that I was apparently responsible for your losing >three months, Matthias. I did not say that. Would be co-responsible at maximum, and I should not have brought that up, sorry. >Maybe it would be easier if everyone thought >the same things, felt the same feelings, and understood the same >unspoken beliefs. certainly would >Unfortunately, I'm a pretty dumb person, what an understatement of one of the most intelligent persons I met! >so sometimes >I need things explained to me, and sometimes it takes an explanation >that goes into more depth and detail than "It is this way because this >is the way we say that it is." this was never said, we went very deeply into the question... >For the time being, I don't want to be a negative vibe merchant - >especially to the people whose work and music I've spent innumerable >hours trying to be supportive and enlightening about over the course of >eight and a half years. This is exactly the way I feel! sure man, it was a very creative time! Peace Matthias >Matthias Grob wrote: >> I put a lot of energy into creating a mutual support organization to >> inform the world about looping music and make looping musicians life >> easier. >> The ones that did not like the idea (mainly for the lack of a hard >> definition) won. Also because Kevin left Gibson. I lost 3 months. >> But what did you win, really? >> Well, I have more things to do, maybe things I can do better... :-) >> >> -- >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 5 10:24:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i35EBfe05482; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:11:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:11:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40716847.6050709@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:08:07 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for March, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/top20mar.html WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for March, 2004. 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Compiled by Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== AirSculpture - Thunderhead - NeuHarmony Amongst Myselves - Sacred Black - RMC Brannan Lane - Escape Velocity - Space for Music Fanger & Schonwalder - Analog Overdose 3 - Manikin Gert Emmens and Ruud Heij - Return to the Origin - Groove and Quantum Ian Boddy - Aurora - DiN Ian Boddy - Chiasmata - DiN Ian Boddy - Phoenix - Something Else Ian Boddy - The Uncertainty Principle - Something Else Mason Stevens - One Step Into the Unknown - Space for Music The Ministry of Inside Things - Everlasting Moment - Synkronos Ruben Garcia - Maybe Forgotten Forever - Trance Port Steve Roach - Fever Dreams - Projekt Thought Guild - [context] - HRR Various Artists - Odyssey Through O2 - Dreyfus vidnaObmana - Phrasing the Air - Hypnos Zero Ohms - The Glass Bead Game - Zop Opus Zero Ohms - Trans Spheres - Zop Opus Zero Ohms - True Degrees of Freedom - SFM Zero Ohms & Gordon Rhyne - Ecstasis - SFM Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 5 11:39:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i35FQYi16272; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:26:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:26:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Andre comes back to the old question... Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:21:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQa8hDUnTpjYfAUT9C6652eM9c8KAAHqLUA Message-Id: <20040405152628.VDAX25769.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Words are social constructs, and they mean what we want them to mean, usually by some sort of agreement, and usually for the sake of communication. But that in no way means there is only one meaning :) Maybe, like the subject "Andre comes back..." implies, the question we need to ask our list (our selves) again and again, sort of like looping, is "What does looping mean to you? Here's what it means to me." And then, like the Sufi story of the blind folded people and the elephant, stand back and listen to the different descriptions of something that may be too big for any one of us to describe. I've been trying to understand looping for years, ever since I first read "Introduction to Electro-Acoustic Music" by Barry Schrader, a book many of us probably have read. Over those years, whenever, I heard or saw anything pertaining to looping, I checked it out. That's how I got on this list. And since I wanted to "understand" looping, I needed to "stand under" some Masters. And Masters many of you are, and I bow to you, in respect to all you've been teaching me! But I still don't understand looping! Maybe I'm slow, since I started playing drums in high school in the fifties, and I'm just getting around to looping, but for me, it's a process of discovery. Like, do I use software, or hardware? Do I need to be connected to a looping device, like the Repeater or the Line 6 DL4, for example? Are those any different than using the delay effects that's already in the Fantom-S, which also does loop recording? And so on... So many technical issues, that seem to be a part of the musical path many of us have chosen! Oh well, if you're tired of all of this, try discussing with an evangelical fundamentalist what a Christian is, and do you need to be re-baptized by submersion, and do you need to be dunked once, or three times. You'll really get you self into a loop if you go there! Cheers, Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 5 11:49:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i35FZ1k17610; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:35:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:35:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40717BF3.2@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:32:03 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic , Ambient Mailing List , The Ambient Way , analog group , Analogue Heaven , ASMID , beyond_em , ElectronicMusic2000 , ElectronicMusic List , emlsynth , Gearhead List , looking for answers , Loopers Delight , matrixSynth , music-bar , newagemusic-biz , oldsynth , PMS , spacemusic , synthsights , tadream mailing list , "Tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com" , Thoughts Yahoogroup , vintagesynthrepair , Dennis Haley Subject: Yamaha SY-85 Keyboard Search Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi,

Please excuse the cross post.  But I'm helping out a friend who is looking to borrow a synth.  Please feel free to contact Dennis Haley directly or through me.  I'm loaning my Korg Prophecy for Martin Orford to use at ROSfest.  A Yamaha SY-85 is still needed.

Cheers,

Bill Fox

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [e-Prog] Keyboard Search
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 11:01:08 EDT
From: djhaley@aol.com
Reply-To: e-Prog@yahoogroups.com
To: e-Prog@yahoogroups.com
CC: kevfeeley@yahoo.com, grlr@comcast.net, smithweir@comcast.net


Hi,

Just a quick message to see if anyone on the Eastern corridor happens to own
a YAMAHA SY-85 Synthesizer.  Martin Orford (IQ/Jadis) will be in Phoenixville,
PA on April 24th (Jadis is playing ROSfest) and I am looking to see if we can
save his SY-85 the trip from the UK.

Thanks,

Dennis Haley
Keyboard Tech - ROSfest From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 5 12:13:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i35G5mU21993; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:05:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:05:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Boss RC-20 punch Problem--"Auto correct?" Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:05:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <011c01c3c652$42ab0cf0$b6705643@elfmaster> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPGUktV76+vFOPtTOaFDFBTRYov4xU1Kscw Message-Id: <20040405160542.VWIY25770.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also, for those who said they were having a hard time punching in the loop on time, now that I had a chance to play with it awhile, with no problem, may I suggest this... Don't try to write a phrase and punch it in... that indeed proves near impossible to synch. Instead play back "into" the phrase and punch as you play... works like a charm time/tempo wise... ----->This is a reply to a post from December 2003--I notice the RC-20 seems to auto correct . . . Is this something others have noticed? Here is the manifestation I have observed--when I finish a loop, I get what I would have to call a "bump"--in other words, the loop starts playback later than expected--as observed by me and those with whom I am playing. When the loop plays back tho, it is seamless--no bumps. I can only assume that the machine is making a better monkey of me. Has this been observed by anyone else and is my guess correct? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 5 17:45:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i35LdS814261; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:39:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:39:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c41b56$7a464720$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" References: <4070CF90.3754085@earthlink.net> Subject: DON'T GO, ANDRE Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:39:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A letter to Andre LaFosse: you just wrote: > It actually has something to do with a quote which I learned from Rick > Walker, ironically enough: > "There is no us and them; there is only us." > So when I hear about - for instance - somebody using a DL4 to loop under > a solo, who is "not a looper per se," it raises questions for me. It > makes me wonder where the distinction between the "them" of this > DL4-touting singer-songwriter is made, to differentiate him from "us." > It makes me wonder what the common defining traits are of the 500-odd > people who are on this list, reading this thread right now, that would > imbue them with a "true looper" designation, that's missing from our > Line 6-soloing emmisary of the "them" delegation. I find it sad, Andre, that your mind is so made up about these matters that you wouldn't even read the response letter I sent to this list as soon as I read your last post. My response posted before this response did. I'll quote myself briefly but you can refer to the whole letter if you'd like ( WHAT's A LIVE LOOPER, ANYWAY?). r. writing: "I typed that rather hastily, 'Dre. I should have said that he doesn't CONSIDER himself a 'live looper', which would distinguish him, in that sense, from someone who actively thinks of themselves as live loopers, like myself or Matthias Grob or Per Boysen or, perhaps, you.............It's a hair split of course and, as with all categorizations, intrinsically innacurate and made merely to make the point that live looping techniques have insuated themselves into the live performances of lots of musicians who, five years ago, wouldn't have used them." My intent with that post was actually to say that I was excited that a more mainstream pop artist has been influenced by all the energy that everyone has put in here at Loopers Delight. I had no intention of being 'Us and Them' about it. I was clumsy with my rhetoric so I'm sorry you missed that intent. Being a human being I am very, very far from perfect; very far from living up the ideals that I try to live up to. I'll be the first to admit it, but this is historically clear: I have tried extremely hard in the last five years of my life since joining this list and becoming enamored with the concept of a live looping community to be as all inclusive as I could possibly be. Everyone who knows me, including you, my friend, knows this to be true. At the risk of boring people with details, I've gone so far as to invite every single person in our community and even rectuited young and middle aged talented musicians who have never even used live looping to be our 'newbies' at looping festivals. I donated my own looping devices to these artists in an attempt to turn them on to the techniques that I've grown to love in live performance. I've produced festivals of Found and Invented Sound, Live Digital Video Animation, Voice and Electronics. I've hosted Festivals for Emerging Electronica in my region..........played acoustic music at Singer Songwriter Showcases; fought for the rights of Street Musicians in my town...........argued with the mayor and city council to try to keep Arts Funding from being eliminated in my community.......donated countless hours trying to support the establishement of three music venues in this area that would be open to ALL MUSICIANS and artists and all without every paying myself a single red cent. I did it, selfishly, so that I would have a community that I could belong to. I did it altruistically so that others would feel better about being artists with some sense of emotional support for what they do in a culture that practically spits on the concept. To accuse me of being devisive in this community ("Us and Them") is complete and utter bullshit and after everything I have said and done in print and action to support your own personal career it really hurts me, personally that you would say it..............especially in public. In many many conversations with you in person and in print over the years, you have consistently refused to participate because you have been uncomfortable with the category or the attempt at community building in the so called Live Looping Community. Because you are so intelligent and creative and innovative and such an important artist in my mind, that has always been painful to me, but I have grown to accept it. however. you also wrote: >It makes me wonder a lot of things - like why serious, intelligent, > critical discussion, which can take into account the 40 or 50 years of > historical precedent for the subject of the discussion list, always > seems to make a bunch of everyone's collective undergarments in a forum > made up principally of adult, middle-aged men. This sounds a little ageist to me, my friend, and smacks of the same 'us and them' mentality that you are accusing me of. I can only sit back and chuckle, patronizingly, as I realize that in a mere ten years you'll be one of those middle aged men. I've gotten my panties in a bunch a few times myself (because I know I'm a drama queen at times..........lol) but it has almost always been when I sensed strong injustice,divisiveness or meanness in people's posts. > For the time being, I don't want to be a negative vibe merchant - > especially to the people whose work and music I've spent innumerable > hours trying to be supportive and enlightening about over the course of > eight and a half years. So as wise man once said, "My work here is done. Now, I must go." > Perhaps I'll poke my head back in at some point. In the meantime, those > who want to know how to track me down. I'm so sorry that your personal feelings of not belonging and being excluded and not being recognized and not be supported financially by this community have led you to this. You are one of our brightest stars and, potentially, one of our most inpspiring ones as well. You have the capacity with your intelligence, your articulateness and your brilliant command of your instrument to guide, instruct, inspire and , even more importantly to nurture the people at this list. This is a gift my friend............. a gift that I wish you would not throw away because you are feeling alienated presently. Don't go, Andre. This little community would be the worse if you did. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 5 18:15:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i35M7u420708; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:07:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:07:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:07:12 -0700 Message-ID: <405C587C00009484@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <007301c41b56$7a464720$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: DON'T GO, ANDRE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i35M7uo20684 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here here.. :) Andre, I'd hate to see you go.. as well, I am a bit confused as to the motivation... it seemed to me that you asked great question and we had a flameless discussion about it.. hehe... so, at the risk of opening a can of worms, can you clarify? peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "loop.pool" >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Subject: DON'T GO, ANDRE >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:39:30 -0700 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >A letter to Andre LaFosse: > >you just wrote: > > >> It actually has something to do with a quote which I learned from Rick >> Walker, ironically enough: >> "There is no us and them; there is only us." >> So when I hear about - for instance - somebody using a DL4 to loop under >> a solo, who is "not a looper per se," it raises questions for me. It >> makes me wonder where the distinction between the "them" of this >> DL4-touting singer-songwriter is made, to differentiate him from "us." >> It makes me wonder what the common defining traits are of the 500-odd >> people who are on this list, reading this thread right now, that would >> imbue them with a "true looper" designation, that's missing from our >> Line 6-soloing emmisary of the "them" delegation. > >I find it sad, Andre, that your mind is so made up about these matters that >you wouldn't even read the response letter I sent to this list >as soon as I read your last post. My response posted before this response >did. I'll quote myself briefly but you can refer to the whole letter if >you'd like ( WHAT's A LIVE LOOPER, ANYWAY?). > >r. writing: > >"I typed that rather hastily, 'Dre. I should have said that he doesn't >CONSIDER himself a 'live looper', which would distinguish >him, in that sense, from someone who actively thinks of themselves as live >loopers, like myself or Matthias Grob or Per Boysen >or, perhaps, you.............It's a hair split of course and, as with all >categorizations, intrinsically >innacurate and made merely to make the point that live >looping techniques have insuated themselves into the live performances of >lots of musicians who, five years ago, wouldn't have used them." > > >My intent with that post was actually to say that I was excited that a more >mainstream pop artist has been influenced by all the energy that everyone >has put in here at Loopers Delight. I had no intention of being 'Us and >Them' about it. I was clumsy with my rhetoric so I'm sorry you missed that >intent. > >Being a human being I am very, very far from perfect; very far from living >up the ideals that I try to live up to. I'll be the first to admit it, but >this is historically clear: > > I have tried extremely hard in the last five years of my life since joining >this list and becoming enamored with the concept of a live looping community >to be as all inclusive as I could possibly be. Everyone who knows me, >including you, my friend, knows this to be true. At the risk of boring >people with details, I've gone so far as to invite every single person >in >our community and even rectuited young and middle aged talented musicians >who have never even used live looping to be our 'newbies' at looping >festivals. I donated my own looping devices to these artists in an attempt >to turn them on to the techniques that I've grown to love in live >performance. I've produced festivals of Found and Invented Sound, >Live Digital Video Animation, Voice and Electronics. I've hosted Festivals >for Emerging Electronica in my region..........played acoustic music at >Singer Songwriter Showcases; fought for the rights of Street Musicians in >my >town...........argued with the mayor and city council to try to keep Arts >Funding from being eliminated in my community.......donated countless hours >trying to support the establishement of three music venues in this area that >would be open to ALL MUSICIANS and artists and all without every paying >myself a single red cent. I did it, selfishly, so that I would have >a >community that I could belong to. I did it altruistically so that others >would feel better about being artists with some sense of emotional support >for what they do in a culture that practically spits on the concept. > >To accuse me of being devisive in this community ("Us and Them") is >complete and utter bullshit and after everything I have said and done in >print and action to support your own personal career it really hurts me, >personally that you would say it..............especially in public. > >In many many conversations with you in person and in print over the years, >you have consistently refused to participate because you have been >uncomfortable with the category or the attempt at community building in the >so called Live Looping Community. Because you are so intelligent and >creative and innovative and such an important artist in my mind, that has >always been painful to me, but I have grown to accept it. however. > >you also wrote: > >It makes me wonder a lot of things - like why serious, intelligent, >> critical discussion, which can take into account the 40 or 50 years of >> historical precedent for the subject of the discussion list, always >> seems to make a bunch of everyone's collective undergarments in a forum >> made up principally of adult, middle-aged men. > >This sounds a little ageist to me, my friend, and smacks of the same 'us >and >them' mentality that you are accusing me of. I can only sit back and >chuckle, patronizingly, as I realize that in a mere ten years you'll be one >of those middle aged men. I've gotten my panties in a bunch a few times >myself (because I know I'm a drama queen at times..........lol) but it has >almost always been when I sensed strong injustice,divisiveness or meanness >in people's posts. > >> For the time being, I don't want to be a negative vibe merchant - >> especially to the people whose work and music I've spent innumerable >> hours trying to be supportive and enlightening about over the course of >> eight and a half years. So as wise man once said, "My work here is done. >Now, I must go." >> Perhaps I'll poke my head back in at some point. In the meantime, those >> who want to know how to track me down. > >I'm so sorry that your personal feelings of not belonging and being excluded >and not being recognized and not be supported financially by this community >have led you to this. > >You are one of our brightest stars and, potentially, one of our most >inpspiring ones as well. You have the capacity with your intelligence, >your articulateness and your brilliant command of your instrument to guide, >instruct, inspire and , even more importantly >to nurture the people at this list. This is a gift my friend............. >a gift that I wish you would not throw away because you are feeling >alienated presently. > >Don't go, Andre. This little community would be the worse if you did. > >yours, Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 5 19:05:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i35MwZ929925; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:58:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:58:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:57:25 -0800 Subject: Re: DON'T GO, ANDRE From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <405C587C00009484@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com in the ghetto words of : "cant we all j j jjust ggget along ? also in the words of ken kesey or tiny tim or somebody: "you are what you is"-or "you are what you do", something like that. like when i'm sittin on the shitter, i'm a crapper(?) when i'm waitin tables, i'm a waiter... when i'm playin guitar, i'm a guitarer(not a very good one, but i have my fun). when i step on that loop box, i'm a looper s an when i'm dumpster divin... > here here.. :) > > Andre, I'd hate to see you go.. as well, I am a bit confused as to the > motivation... > it seemed to me that you asked great question and we had a flameless > discussion > about it.. hehe... so, at the risk of opening a can of worms, can you clarify? > > peace > -cpr > >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "loop.pool" >> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >> Subject: DON'T GO, ANDRE >> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:39:30 -0700 >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> A letter to Andre LaFosse: >> >> you just wrote: >> >> >>> It actually has something to do with a quote which I learned from Rick >>> Walker, ironically enough: >>> "There is no us and them; there is only us." >>> So when I hear about - for instance - somebody using a DL4 to loop under >>> a solo, who is "not a looper per se," it raises questions for me. It >>> makes me wonder where the distinction between the "them" of this >>> DL4-touting singer-songwriter is made, to differentiate him from "us." >>> It makes me wonder what the common defining traits are of the 500-odd >>> people who are on this list, reading this thread right now, that would >>> imbue them with a "true looper" designation, that's missing from our >>> Line 6-soloing emmisary of the "them" delegation. >> >> I find it sad, Andre, that your mind is so made up about these matters > that >> you wouldn't even read the response letter I sent to this list >> as soon as I read your last post. My response posted before this response >> did. I'll quote myself briefly but you can refer to the whole letter if >> you'd like ( WHAT's A LIVE LOOPER, ANYWAY?). >> >> r. writing: >> >> "I typed that rather hastily, 'Dre. I should have said that he doesn't >> CONSIDER himself a 'live looper', which would distinguish >> him, in that sense, from someone who actively thinks of themselves as live >> loopers, like myself or Matthias Grob or Per Boysen >> or, perhaps, you.............It's a hair split of course and, as with all >> categorizations, intrinsically >> innacurate and made merely to make the point that live >> looping techniques have insuated themselves into the live performances > of >> lots of musicians who, five years ago, wouldn't have used them." >> >> >> My intent with that post was actually to say that I was excited that a > more >> mainstream pop artist has been influenced by all the energy that everyone >> has put in here at Loopers Delight. I had no intention of being 'Us and >> Them' about it. I was clumsy with my rhetoric so I'm sorry you missed > that >> intent. >> >> Being a human being I am very, very far from perfect; very far from living >> up the ideals that I try to live up to. I'll be the first to admit it, > but >> this is historically clear: >> >> I have tried extremely hard in the last five years of my life since joining >> this list and becoming enamored with the concept of a live looping community >> to be as all inclusive as I could possibly be. Everyone who knows me, >> including you, my friend, knows this to be true. At the risk of boring >> people with details, I've gone so far as to invite every single person >> in >> our community and even rectuited young and middle aged talented musicians >> who have never even used live looping to be our 'newbies' at looping >> festivals. I donated my own looping devices to these artists in an attempt >> to turn them on to the techniques that I've grown to love in live >> performance. I've produced festivals of Found and Invented Sound, >> Live Digital Video Animation, Voice and Electronics. I've hosted Festivals >> for Emerging Electronica in my region..........played acoustic music at >> Singer Songwriter Showcases; fought for the rights of Street Musicians > in >> my >> town...........argued with the mayor and city council to try to keep Arts >> Funding from being eliminated in my community.......donated countless hours >> trying to support the establishement of three music venues in this area > that >> would be open to ALL MUSICIANS and artists and all without every paying >> myself a single red cent. I did it, selfishly, so that I would have >> a >> community that I could belong to. I did it altruistically so that others >> would feel better about being artists with some sense of emotional support >> for what they do in a culture that practically spits on the concept. >> >> To accuse me of being devisive in this community ("Us and Them") is >> complete and utter bullshit and after everything I have said and done in >> print and action to support your own personal career it really hurts me, >> personally that you would say it..............especially in public. >> >> In many many conversations with you in person and in print over the years, >> you have consistently refused to participate because you have been >> uncomfortable with the category or the attempt at community building in > the >> so called Live Looping Community. Because you are so intelligent and >> creative and innovative and such an important artist in my mind, that > has >> always been painful to me, but I have grown to accept it. however. >> >> you also wrote: >>> It makes me wonder a lot of things - like why serious, intelligent, >>> critical discussion, which can take into account the 40 or 50 years of >>> historical precedent for the subject of the discussion list, always >>> seems to make a bunch of everyone's collective undergarments in a forum >>> made up principally of adult, middle-aged men. >> >> This sounds a little ageist to me, my friend, and smacks of the same 'us >> and >> them' mentality that you are accusing me of. I can only sit back and >> chuckle, patronizingly, as I realize that in a mere ten years you'll be > one >> of those middle aged men. I've gotten my panties in a bunch a few times >> myself (because I know I'm a drama queen at times..........lol) but it > has >> almost always been when I sensed strong injustice,divisiveness or meanness >> in people's posts. >> >>> For the time being, I don't want to be a negative vibe merchant - >>> especially to the people whose work and music I've spent innumerable >>> hours trying to be supportive and enlightening about over the course > of >>> eight and a half years. So as wise man once said, "My work here is done. >> Now, I must go." >>> Perhaps I'll poke my head back in at some point. In the meantime, those >>> who want to know how to track me down. >> >> I'm so sorry that your personal feelings of not belonging and being excluded >> and not being recognized and not be supported financially by this community >> have led you to this. >> >> You are one of our brightest stars and, potentially, one of our most >> inpspiring ones as well. You have the capacity with your intelligence, >> your articulateness and your brilliant command of your instrument to guide, >> instruct, inspire and , even more importantly >> to nurture the people at this list. This is a gift my friend............. >> a gift that I wish you would not throw away because you are feeling >> alienated presently. >> >> Don't go, Andre. This little community would be the worse if you did. >> >> yours, Rick >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 5 19:29:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i35NORb02343; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:24:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:24:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4071EA97.7070203@hecates.com> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 19:24:07 -0400 From: Shaunie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (Compact) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-20 Abrupt Loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm new to the list. I just bought me the RC-20 and I love it except I have ONE issue with it; it does not blend the loop phrases evenly. I am sure others have had this same issue. if I have to play at the beginning of a loop, then it I will hear a sudden "boom" and you can easily tell the next loop has started. I was wondering if anyone has any tips to get rid of this to make it smoother or somehow I can "fade" one loop into another. One of my songs which you can hear this problem clearly is called "Jugs" on my web site http://cello.hecates.com. I hate how you can tell loops that have more bass in it from the others. I have tried decreasing the bass in my preamp and also lowering the volume on the INST know but it seems fruitless, it still does the same thing. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance, Shaunie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 5 19:32:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i35NMck02124; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:22:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:22:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c41b64$9f45d550$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <4070CF90.3754085@earthlink.net> <007301c41b56$7a464720$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: DON'T GO, ANDRE Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:20:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Don't go, Andre. This little community would be the worse if you did. Rick, I'm not sure I understand how you come to that conclusion. Sure, Andre's playing is excellent. His use of the EDP is groundbreaking. His EDP Analysis pages at his website are useful. I've been a member of this mailing list (and an avid amateur looping artist) for over 3 years now. I do remember the days when this list was much more supportive, friendly, and full of actual *useful* information and exchanges. I haven't seen too much of that in the last year (and I've even tried stepping up my contributions as a miniscule attempt to help). I certainly haven't seen much in the way of helpfulness from Andre LaFosse. I've seen plenty of rhetoric, advertising, arguing, and whining... but very little helpful discussion. Maybe looping has become much more ubiquitous, and there's less need for us all to "stick together" in an attempt to learn about the technologies and techniques that enable our craft. Maybe 9/11 just made everyone cynical. Maybe we're just tired of primadonnas deciding we're middle-aged hacks with no value. I dunno. But either way, I'd gladly trade a contributing, inquisitive, helpful, friendly, supportive member of this list for a cynical and argumentative one. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 5 20:22:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i360HXX14260; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:17:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:17:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: RC-20 Abrupt Loops Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:17:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <4071EA97.7070203@hecates.com> Thread-Index: AcQbZai/2D0W4EfKTtGJU3xLA0uzugABoLqg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20040406001725.GWXP25766.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't tried going from one loop to another--is it the change in volume when you play one loop after another that is bothering you? I HAVE had a problem I just posted about, which has to do with loops not seeming to be the right length when first closed but being seamless upon repetition. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Shaunie [mailto:cello@hecates.com] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-20 Abrupt Loops Hi all, I'm new to the list. I just bought me the RC-20 and I love it except I have ONE issue with it; it does not blend the loop phrases evenly. I am sure others have had this same issue. if I have to play at the beginning of a loop, then it I will hear a sudden "boom" and you can easily tell the next loop has started. I was wondering if anyone has any tips to get rid of this to make it smoother or somehow I can "fade" one loop into another. One of my songs which you can hear this problem clearly is called "Jugs" on my web site http://cello.hecates.com. I hate how you can tell loops that have more bass in it from the others. I have tried decreasing the bass in my preamp and also lowering the volume on the INST know but it seems fruitless, it still does the same thing. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance, Shaunie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 5 21:15:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i360BHm12787; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:11:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:11:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <86.8b47fe7.2da34f99@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:11:05 EDT Subject: Re: RC-20 Abrupt Loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/5/04 4:24:45 PM, cello@hecates.com writes: << I hate how you can tell loops that have more bass in it from the others. I have tried decreasing the bass in my preamp and also lowering the volume on the INST know but it seems fruitless, it still does the same thing. >> Hi Have you tried a compressor? At your website you mention clipping in the high range. Compressor might help that too. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 6 02:46:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i366hDV21915; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:43:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig spam [Seattle] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 23:43:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A few more acoustic guitar looping shows this week. No cover at either of these: Friday, April 9, 8PM Starbucks (Capitol Hill--1600 E. Olive Way) Saturday, April 10, 2-4PM Tully's Coffee (1401 4th Avenue) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 6 03:09:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3674Yj26558; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 03:04:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 03:04:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040406070427.36177.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 00:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: DONT GO ANDRE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Folks i´ve announced my performances as guitar loops and soundscapes,live looping,painting guitar,minimal guitar,guitar visions etc. and i still havent been thrown in jail;-) and to tell you the truth people don´t seem to care too much about the terms because they still cannot grasp what i am doing! By the way i am playing in Brescia italy at the College Pub so take a couple of days off and join Luca and i for a glass of Vino italiano and some loops! Cheers Louie ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 6 03:26:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i367OlH31100; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 03:24:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 03:24:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040406072440.83142.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 00:24:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: the right term for looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040406070427.36177.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps we should let the people name what we are doing;-) although i once heard somebodys explanation about a looper as" well he plays with himself" I would be interested in knowing if a group of individuals consciously sat down and thought about naming music as "Jazz" "Rock n Roll" "Salsa" "Blues" etc.or was it perhaps just a popular term which eventually spread out? Louie ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 6 14:37:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i36IVwx16999; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:31:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:31:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <81.8c101de.2da45192@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:31:46 EDT Subject: Re: Gig spam [Seattle] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_81.8c101de.2da45192_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_81.8c101de.2da45192_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit travis.....would be so kind as to give us some pointers as to how we could go about getting some "gigs".....there are several "starbucks" here in town and a good number of other "coffee house/gallery" venues.....what do you think is the best approach?.....your insight would be most helpfull.....thanks.....michael --part1_81.8c101de.2da45192_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable travis.= ....would be so kind as to give us some pointers as to how we could go about= getting some "gigs".....there are several "starbucks" here in town and a go= od number of other "coffee house/gallery" venues.....what do you think is th= e best approach?.....your insight would be most helpfull.....thanks.....mich= ael --part1_81.8c101de.2da45192_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 6 15:57:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i36JsCZ04710; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:54:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:54:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.182.156] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RC-20 Abrupt Loops Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:54:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2004 19:54:06.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB18EBF0:01C41C10] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there all, sorry for long absense, hotmail locked me out for a while. if Im reading between the lines correctly, what I think you are talking about is theclipped sort of sound you get at the loop point when youare playing a sustained note etc (anything abmient) , this is caused by the way the RC-20 goes from Record to Play rather then Record to oversdub ( which would allow a smoother transition) if this is the problem that you are talking about, try recording a blank loop the legnth you need the tap record again to go into play followed by record once more to go into overdub (this can only be armed after allowing the recording to play for half a second or so) now when you put down the textures they will be blending smoothly as recording will continue over the loop point. Hope this help Phill Wilson >From: "Gary Lehmann" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: RC-20 Abrupt Loops >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:17:23 -0700 > >I haven't tried going from one loop to another--is it the change in volume >when you play one loop after another that is bothering you? >I HAVE had a problem I just posted about, which has to do with loops not >seeming to be the right length when first closed but being seamless upon >repetition. >Gary > >-----Original Message----- >From: Shaunie [mailto:cello@hecates.com] >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:24 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RC-20 Abrupt Loops > >Hi all, >I'm new to the list. I just bought me the RC-20 and I love it except I have >ONE issue with it; it does not blend the loop phrases evenly. I am sure >others have had this same issue. if I have to play at the beginning of a >loop, then it I will hear a sudden "boom" and you can easily tell the next >loop has started. > >I was wondering if anyone has any tips to get rid of this to make it >smoother or somehow I can "fade" one loop into another. One of my songs >which you can hear this problem clearly is called "Jugs" on my web site >http://cello.hecates.com. I hate how you can tell loops that have more bass >in it from the others. I have tried decreasing the bass in my preamp and >also lowering the volume on the INST know but it seems fruitless, it still >does the same thing. > >Can anyone help? > >Thanks in advance, >Shaunie > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 6 16:32:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i36KNih13157; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:23:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:23:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.182.156] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sorry my bad Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:23:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2004 20:23:38.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BBB4610:01C41C15] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just rea;ised that the mail that I responded to was a cut version of a longer one that unmistakably said that the problem was switching BETWEEN 2 loops not at all overdubbing, please dont think im a dumbass, i just recieve my mail in reverse order. .... In fact reading further, it looks like there has been some very interesting and volatile discussion going on while i have been away from my account. Im still trying to digest all that has been said so I wont comment any further then to ask how all of this gets to be so important? maybe its just me, and belive me Im passionate about MY music,but so long as you know what your music is (or isnt) surly its not really such a big deal in the scheme of things. the semantics is certainly an interesting topic point but its not like this is a diffinitive final edit of a book on looping, Loopers Delight is far more three dimensional then that, in much the same way as Art has many catogorys but the only opinions about work i truly value are those of the artist. anyhoo Id best go before i start talking out of my arse. good luck to you all though, what ever your doing. Cu soon Phill _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 6 17:34:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i36LUCX25424; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:30:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:30:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40732152.6000405@hecates.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:29:54 -0400 From: Shaunie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (Compact) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-20 Abrupt Loops References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh Jesus Christ you're a saint, you hit the nail right on the head. Thanks so much. :D On 4/6/2004 3:54 PM, lol c wrote: >Hi there all, sorry for long absense, hotmail locked me out for a while. > >if Im reading between the lines correctly, what I think you are talking >about is theclipped sort of sound you get at the loop point when youare >playing a sustained note etc (anything abmient) , this is caused by the way >the RC-20 goes from Record to Play rather then Record to oversdub ( which >would allow a smoother transition) if this is the problem that you are >talking about, try recording a blank loop the legnth you need the tap record >again to go into play followed by record once more to go into overdub (this >can only be armed after allowing the recording to play for half a second or >so) now when you put down the textures they will be blending smoothly as >recording will continue over the loop point. > >Hope this help > > >Phill Wilson > > >>From: "Gary Lehmann" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: >>Subject: RE: RC-20 Abrupt Loops >>Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:17:23 -0700 >> >>I haven't tried going from one loop to another--is it the change in volume >>when you play one loop after another that is bothering you? >>I HAVE had a problem I just posted about, which has to do with loops not >>seeming to be the right length when first closed but being seamless upon >>repetition. >>Gary >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Shaunie [mailto:cello@hecates.com] >>Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:24 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: RC-20 Abrupt Loops >> >>Hi all, >>I'm new to the list. I just bought me the RC-20 and I love it except I have >>ONE issue with it; it does not blend the loop phrases evenly. I am sure >>others have had this same issue. if I have to play at the beginning of a >>loop, then it I will hear a sudden "boom" and you can easily tell the next >>loop has started. >> >>I was wondering if anyone has any tips to get rid of this to make it >>smoother or somehow I can "fade" one loop into another. One of my songs >>which you can hear this problem clearly is called "Jugs" on my web site >>http://cello.hecates.com. I hate how you can tell loops that have more bass >>in it from the others. I have tried decreasing the bass in my preamp and >>also lowering the volume on the INST know but it seems fruitless, it still >>does the same thing. >> >>Can anyone help? >> >>Thanks in advance, >>Shaunie >> >> >> >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > > > -- Shaunie Web Site: http://www.hecates.com Cello music @ http://cello.hecates.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 6 17:37:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i36LYU726311; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:34:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:34:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40732254.5070006@hecates.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:34:12 -0400 From: Shaunie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (Compact) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sorry my bad References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7uF4ED.A.-aG.mJycAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Were you talking about *my* post? I guess so since its the only one you responded to. I don't know about everyone else but you answered my question. On 4/6/2004 4:23 PM, lol c wrote: >Just rea;ised that the mail that I responded to was a cut version of a >longer one that unmistakably said that the problem was switching BETWEEN 2 >loops not at all overdubbing, please dont think im a dumbass, i just recieve >my mail in reverse order. .... > >In fact reading further, it looks like there has been some very interesting >and volatile discussion going on while i have been away from my account. Im >still trying to digest all that has been said so I wont comment any further >then to ask how all of this gets to be so important? > > maybe its just me, and belive me Im passionate about MY music,but so long >as you know what your music is (or isnt) surly its not really such a big >deal in the scheme of things. the semantics is certainly an interesting >topic point but its not like this is a diffinitive final edit of a book on >looping, Loopers Delight is far more three dimensional then that, in much >the same way as Art has many catogorys but the only opinions about work i >truly value are those of the artist. > >anyhoo Id best go before i start talking out of my arse. > >good luck to you all though, what ever your doing. > >Cu soon > >Phill > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo > > > > > -- Shaunie Web Site: http://www.hecates.com Cello music @ http://cello.hecates.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 6 17:44:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i36LdDr27291; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:39:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:39:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40732370.1000503@hecates.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:38:56 -0400 From: Shaunie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (Compact) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-20 Abrupt Loops References: <20040406001725.GWXP25766.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have not had too much of a problem with the volume. I just leave the knob on the INST the same but play a little louder or I will get a hiss in the background. However, I think the RC20 just takes getting used to and coming up with our own work-arounds to get the sound we want. Basically, experimentation. On 4/5/2004 8:17 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: >I haven't tried going from one loop to another--is it the change in volume >when you play one loop after another that is bothering you? >I HAVE had a problem I just posted about, which has to do with loops not >seeming to be the right length when first closed but being seamless upon >repetition. >Gary > >-----Original Message----- >From: Shaunie [mailto:cello@hecates.com] >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:24 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RC-20 Abrupt Loops > >Hi all, >I'm new to the list. I just bought me the RC-20 and I love it except I have >ONE issue with it; it does not blend the loop phrases evenly. I am sure >others have had this same issue. if I have to play at the beginning of a >loop, then it I will hear a sudden "boom" and you can easily tell the next >loop has started. > >I was wondering if anyone has any tips to get rid of this to make it >smoother or somehow I can "fade" one loop into another. One of my songs >which you can hear this problem clearly is called "Jugs" on my web site >http://cello.hecates.com. I hate how you can tell loops that have more bass >in it from the others. I have tried decreasing the bass in my preamp and >also lowering the volume on the INST know but it seems fruitless, it still >does the same thing. > >Can anyone help? > >Thanks in advance, >Shaunie > > > > > > > > -- Shaunie Web Site: http://www.hecates.com Cello music @ http://cello.hecates.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 7 07:35:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i37BNG402399; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:23:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:23:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040406070427.36177.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040406070427.36177.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:21:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: how to announce performances Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louie said >Folks I've announced my performances as guitar loops >and soundscapes,live looping,painting guitar,minimal >guitar,guitar visions etc. and i still havent been >thrown in jail;-) and to tell you the truth people >don't seem to care too much about the terms because >they still cannot grasp what i am doing! thats the problem... as long as each one of us invents his own or several of them (I called my stuff Musica AguArianA :-), how could people care for terms and grab them? But once they read an article or watch a TV documentary about Live Looping they will react to a musician who sais that he does that. And as long as LD looks like it does and all members claim their own specific style, hardly any such press reactions can be expected. If you can put a link to some LiveLooping.com on your personal site and people see that you make part of a movement, they may trust more than when if say that you invented your completely own thing. But I may be totally wrong, I am just an engineer :-) Due to Per/Rick/me Live Looping Festival tour in Sweden, there was a documentary about Live Looping on national TV. Was there a concrete result for you, Per? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 7 08:38:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i37Ba3V04215; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:36:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:36:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040407113556.76855.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 04:35:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: how to announce performances To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As long as we all agree on a term i have no problem with that but everybody is still arguing about it;-) As far as the link goes i had it on my website but i had to take it out because it now takes you to a travel guide! if you have a new link go ahead and send it to me cheers Louie --- Matthias Grob wrote: > Louie said > >Folks I've announced my performances as guitar > loops > >and soundscapes,live looping,painting > guitar,minimal > >guitar,guitar visions etc. and i still havent been > >thrown in jail;-) and to tell you the truth people > >don't seem to care too much about the terms because > >they still cannot grasp what i am doing! > > thats the problem... > as long as each one of us invents his own or several > of them > (I called my stuff Musica AguArianA :-), how could > people care for > terms and grab them? > But once they read an article or watch a TV > documentary about Live > Looping they will react to a musician who sais that > he does that. > And as long as LD looks like it does and all members > claim their own > specific style, hardly any such press reactions can > be expected. > > If you can put a link to some LiveLooping.com on > your personal site > and people see that you make part of a movement, > they may trust more > than when if say that you invented your completely > own thing. > > But I may be totally wrong, I am just an engineer > :-) > > Due to Per/Rick/me Live Looping Festival tour in > Sweden, there was a > documentary about Live Looping on national TV. > Was there a concrete result for you, Per? > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 7 09:31:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i37DHeG18520; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:17:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:17:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C41CA2.B335DDE5" Subject: RE: Gig spam [Seattle] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:17:39 -0400 Message-ID: <5E2EAB63AC1D8D4B9D1A597266431A595E4CAA@usnap3mailfe.asg.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Gig spam [Seattle] Thread-Index: AcQcBgBXdp4UV+HwS/CeyXXWRCX/JAAnI7cA From: "Don Makoviney" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C41CA2.B335DDE5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, I would love to hear this too. =20 How do you approach the venues? What is the pay (if any)? Or do you rely on CD sales to make it worth your while? =20 Thanks, =20 D-MAK ________________________________ From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 2:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig spam [Seattle] =09 =09 travis.....would be so kind as to give us some pointers as to how we could go about getting some "gigs".....there are several "starbucks" here in town and a good number of other "coffee house/gallery" venues.....what do you think is the best approach?.....your insight would be most helpfull.....thanks.....michael ------_=_NextPart_001_01C41CA2.B335DDE5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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travis.....would be so kind as to give us some pointers = as to how=20 we could go about getting some "gigs".....there are several = "starbucks" here=20 in town and a good number of other "coffee house/gallery" = venues.....what do=20 you think is the best approach?.....your insight would be most=20 helpfull.....thanks.....michael = ------_=_NextPart_001_01C41CA2.B335DDE5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 7 12:58:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i37Gl8L22961; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:47:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:47:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040407164704.9156.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: source for echoplex parts?? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <87xWZC.A.mmF.LCDdAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, sorry this a wee bit off-topic-- anybody know of a source for parts for an (original) echoplex?? (the echo unit, not the looper.) i have a friend who needs a couple parts from one.... thanks! dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 7 14:02:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i37HxEO03455; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:59:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:59:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Another Effectprocessor in the Rack Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:57:49 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c41cc9$d81278f0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Looping Brethren, after years of experimenting with different setups in different musical landscapes, I'm once again on a quest for the perfect rig. More precisely, I'm searching for another (the last) effect processor for what will inherit the function of my former "big rig" (which has already been partially disassembled in favour of a better small one). The short version: I need an effects processor, rackmount, 1 to 2 HU, which does everything the TC FireworX, D2 and Triple-C and perhaps another cheap effector from my collection does not do. I reflected on the following possibilities: Eventide Eclipse Eventide Eclipse plus Kurzweil Mangler Kurzweil KSP8 The long version: Currently, my rig consists of the following sound sources and processing parts: Behringer MX2642A console w/ PE2200 patchbay Electrix Repeater TC Electronics FireworX TC Electronics D Two TC Electronics Triple-C Digitech StudioQuad (the old version) Zoom 1201 ...of which I'm going to kick the StudioQuad and Korg KP2 Kaoss Pad Roland V-Bass Waldorf Q Clavia MicroModular Yamaha SY85 Behringer FCB1010 Line6 DL4 mikes for vocals (more for effects), saxophones and sometimes trombone I'm playing both solo improvised experimental looping stuff (for which I like both crazy effects and surreal reverbs and lengthy delays), and work with my improvisational band. So, from this standpoint, it's important that the effector performs well in a not-pre-arranged live setting. There are a few things I'd like to see: * supercool pitch shifters with user-definable scales * weird surreal reverbs * strange stuff And massive flexibility when generating my own programs (re: many parameters, cool routing possibilities, modifier matrix etc.) >From what I see in the market, it comes down to either the Eclipse or the KSP8. Which one is better? Is there any alternative? Any input will be appreciated! Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 7 19:59:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i37Nsx419904; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:54:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:54:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8788570.1081382097477.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:54:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Getting Gigs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >travis.....would be so kind as to give us some pointers as to how we could go about getting some "gigs".....there >are several "starbucks" here in town and a good number of other "coffee house/gallery" venues.....what do you >think is the best approach? First, you've got to make sure that you'd be a good match for the venue in question. Starbucks/Tully's are pretty middle-of-the-road in their taste. Currently I'm concentrating on solo acoustic guitar instrumentals, which is right up their alley. Most of their branches don't have music, but the ones that do (tend to be the larger ones) are usually looking for no more than a trio, acoustic based type material. Singer-songwriters tend to prevail, but you get the occaisional pianist or classical guitarist. If you're doing something more on the edge, the corporate chains probably aren't going to be interested. I'd look for the more alternative, independent coffee places in that case. Bear in mind that there are two sorts of places that have live music: those that have a customer base and want to improve the atmosphere of the place, and those that are looking to musicians to bring in customers and added revenue. I tend to avoid the latter, since I don't have an audience that follows me from place to place, and I don't enjoy playing somewhere where the guy behind the register is scowling at the register tape all night. >How do you approach the venues? I just give them a call, and ask who does the live music booking and how to get in touch with them. Usually I talk to that person on the phone before hand, describe what I do. It helps to be able to describe "what you do" in one sentence, such as "Acoustic guitar instrumentals". Pretty much everyone understands that, whereas "illbient glitchcore live looping" doesn't usually go down quite so smooth. It also helps if you can quickly rattle off two or three artists who are similiar to what you're doing. Or, at least in the ballpark. Since I can say that I play coffeehouses, Starbucks, etc. regularly, about half the time they don't ask for a CD. If they do, I send them one. The best thing that's happened in the last few years is every musician getting a website. If you're looking for places to play, find someone in the area who's in a similiar bag to you, check their website and hit up all the places listed on their gig calendar. There's no point reinventing the wheel, and I believe it all turns into synergy over time. >What is the pay (if any)? Or do you rely on CD sales to make it worth your while? The pay varies. On the low end, we've got free drinks/food and tips. If there's any sort of audience, that usually translates to $15-$50. I put a pile of six-track CD-R's next to my tip jar (always bring your own tip jar, and label it "Tips For The Musician" and don't put it anywhere near the barista tip jar) along with a stack of FAQ type postcards I made that give a brief explanation of who I am, how I'm doing this, my website, how to get in touch with me, etc. And a sign that says "CD's Free With Donation". The better places give a guarantee, between $50 and $100, plus the tips and goodies. Since I'm solo and most of my gigs are within a fifteen minute drive of my house, this makes it worthwhile. I've got a handful of out-of-town (30-90 miles) gigs coming up later this month, so we'll see. Out-of-town gigs are an investment for the medium term usually--the first few times may not pay off financially, you've got to keep going back. These gigs always have a guarantee. One note: I've never discussed the looping aspect of what I do with any of these places beforehand. I just tell them I'm an acoustic guitar instrumentalist and I want a gig. It never comes up at the show, although later I found out that one guy who booked me just assumed I was doing two-handed tapping or something, since there was already a bassist playing there who did that sort of thing. Audience members sometimes ask, but the people working at the venue never do so. They're busy pulling drinks and whatnot. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 7 20:26:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i380OVM23891; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:24:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:24:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d1.1df73d85.2da5f5b1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:24:17 EDT Subject: Re: Getting Gigs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d1.1df73d85.2da5f5b1_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d1.1df73d85.2da5f5b1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit travis.....many thanks for the reply.....you make it sound so simple.....i like the idea of not getting involved in the whole "live looping" thing.....instumental music covers it quite nicely.....great information.....thanks again.....michael --part1_1d1.1df73d85.2da5f5b1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable travis.= ....many thanks for the reply.....you make it sound so simple.....i like the= idea of not getting involved in the whole "live looping" thing.....instumen= tal music covers it quite nicely.....great information.....thanks again.....= michael --part1_1d1.1df73d85.2da5f5b1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 04:14:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i387BsZ07587; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 03:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 03:11:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c41d39$1e250320$8bc6a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040406070427.36177.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: names names names - was "how to announce performances" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 03:14:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.198.139] at Thu, 8 Apr 2004 02:11:52 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <2mqqP.A.Y2B.6sPdAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias - I sympathize with your desire to consolidate. But then it's easy to understand why people want new labels for their music, right? I mean: Rock Music = Rock Music, Heavy Metal, Grunge, Shoegazer, BritPop, PowerPop, New Metal, Glam Rock, Classic Rock, etc, etc... Sure, it's all "rock music" and then so is Ska, Reggae, and (arguably) Disco too. Creative people like to break new ground and destroy old associations, and evolving fresh sounds with new names (rhythm and blues, soul, funk, hip-hop, rap, freestyle, go-go, turntabilism... etc., etc...) help remove one form an "old genre" and put one in a "new genre" (disco, industrial, techno, IDM, electronica, breakbeat, garage, drum and bass, eurodance, house, hardcore, etc., etc...). Perhaps imagining that everyone will use the same terms and agree to stick with them is a bit of a lost cause from the start. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:21 AM Subject: how to announce performances > Louie said > >Folks I've announced my performances as guitar loops > >and soundscapes,live looping,painting guitar,minimal > >guitar,guitar visions etc. and i still havent been > >thrown in jail;-) and to tell you the truth people > >don't seem to care too much about the terms because > >they still cannot grasp what i am doing! > > thats the problem... > as long as each one of us invents his own or several of them > (I called my stuff Musica AguArianA :-), how could people care for > terms and grab them? > But once they read an article or watch a TV documentary about Live > Looping they will react to a musician who sais that he does that. > And as long as LD looks like it does and all members claim their own > specific style, hardly any such press reactions can be expected. > > If you can put a link to some LiveLooping.com on your personal site > and people see that you make part of a movement, they may trust more > than when if say that you invented your completely own thing. > > But I may be totally wrong, I am just an engineer :-) > > Due to Per/Rick/me Live Looping Festival tour in Sweden, there was a > documentary about Live Looping on national TV. > Was there a concrete result for you, Per? > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 04:57:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i388tu920388; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 04:55:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 04:55:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c41d47$4c1cb5d0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20040406070427.36177.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> <001f01c41d39$1e250320$8bc6a344@hppav> Subject: Re: names names names - was "how to announce performances" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:55:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <-JJOxD.A.d-E.cORdAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 8:14 AM Subject: names names names - was "how to announce performances" > Matthias - > > I sympathize with your desire to consolidate. But then it's easy to > understand why people want new labels for their music, right? > > I mean: Rock Music = Rock Music, Heavy Metal, Grunge, Shoegazer, BritPop, > PowerPop, New Metal, Glam Rock, Classic Rock, etc, etc... > Sure, it's all "rock music" and then so is Ska, Reggae, and (arguably) Disco > too. ..."Shoegazer"? Is this something that's popped up in the 'States recently? I'm not sure BritPop is music though. It USES music, but it's more of an employment medium than anything else. Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 06:47:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38Ailw01858; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 06:44:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 06:44:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40752D05.5010509@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 06:44:21 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic , ASMID , beyond_em , Different Skies , ElectronicMusic2000 , ElectronicMusic List , e-Prog , looking for answers , Loopers Delight , MMML , music-bar , newagemusic-biz , PMS , "progdj@yahoogroups.com" , "progressivemusicforum@yahoogroups.com" , spacemusic , synthsights , tadream mailing list , "Tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com" , Thoughts Yahoogroup Subject: FoxNet Radio News Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-kKoYB.A.4c.f0SdAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FoxNet Radio News for Thursday, April 8, 2004. ================================================================================ AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am (GMT-5) every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh On today'w show, my special guest will be George Roldan, organizer of the Rites of Spring Festival. I will talk to George and play music by the bands to be performing at this new festival. EMUSIC ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic ================================================================================ Tonight on EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Alpha Wave Movement. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Drifted Into Deeper Lands" on Groove Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#apr The vinyl starter will be from the LP "Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra" by Synergy (Larry Fast) on Passport Records. I'll play the music of AirSculpture who will play at the next Gatherings on April 17. EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, April 17 at 6:00 am. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh I'll play the music of AirSculpture who will be at the Gathering that same evening. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 07:20:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38B8BG04944; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:08:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:08:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c41d59$c6925470$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <20040406070427.36177.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> <001f01c41d39$1e250320$8bc6a344@hppav> <003b01c41d47$4c1cb5d0$0207a8c0@Stephen> Subject: Re: names names names - was "how to announce performances" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:08:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shoegaze: late 80's-early 90's UK mostly. Bands like slowdive and My Bloody Valentine. Many of us got our looping introduction(who are around my age, because I got it from there) from their use of the Digitech PDS8000. look it up on allmusic.com. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Goodman" To: Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 4:55 AM Subject: Re: names names names - was "how to announce performances" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Kirkdorffer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 8:14 AM > Subject: names names names - was "how to announce performances" > > > > Matthias - > > > > I sympathize with your desire to consolidate. But then it's easy to > > understand why people want new labels for their music, right? > > > > I mean: Rock Music = Rock Music, Heavy Metal, Grunge, Shoegazer, BritPop, > > PowerPop, New Metal, Glam Rock, Classic Rock, etc, etc... > > Sure, it's all "rock music" and then so is Ska, Reggae, and (arguably) > Disco > > too. > > ..."Shoegazer"? Is this something that's popped up in the 'States recently? > > I'm not sure BritPop is music though. It USES music, but it's more of an > employment medium than anything else. > > Steve Goodman > * EarthLight Productions > * http://www.earthlight.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 07:52:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38BlFX08561; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:47:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:47:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40753C33.6D585F2D@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 04:49:08 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: For what it's worth... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Earlier this evening, a friend of mine who I've known for several years, and who joined this list several weeks ago, called me up with a question: "What's the story behind these people criticizing you on Looper's Delight?" I hadn't read any of the posts since my departure - largely because unsubscribing from a list has a few side-effects, one of which is not receiving any more posts to that list. And (perhaps tellingly), I hadn't received a single private email from anyone on the list, pro or con, since leaving. So I had no idea what he was referring to, until (against my initial impulse) I had a look at the archives tonight. I'm posting this now - and re-subscribing for only as long as it takes to send this - in an attempt to tie up whatever may need tying up, for whomever may be interested. If that isn't you, hit the delete key. If it is you, grab a coffee. First and foremost: no, I'm not an ageist, and no, I didn't make a reference to "middle-aged men" in an attempt to be insulting or demeaning. I made it for the following reason: For me, becoming an adult involves forming a way of dealing with the world that is clearly-defined enough to articulate in a meaningful way, strong enough to invite and withstand questions or criticism from other people, and potentially flexible enough to accommodate growing or changing if that belief system is found wanting. Maybe this is an overly personal generalization, and maybe it represents an unfair projection of my own philosophies about life onto those of other people. Or maybe I simply should have taken the time to explain myself more fully. If I'm going to adhere to the model of maturity I've just described, then I'll have to acknowledge these possibilities. So: sincere apologies for any inadvertent offense which was caused by my choice of words, and the possible lack of a sufficient context for them. Maybe it was a Freudian insult, stemming from frustration at being born with half the hairline I should have gotten. Secondly: Why leave? Because I don't understand the value of a discussion list where honest, open, meaningful, critical discussion seems to be as difficult to come by as it does here. Because I've tried every conceivable way I can to develop a genuine UNDERSTANDING of some of the people and beliefs in this forum, and find myself repeatedly unable to do so. Because in spite of the immense amount of time and effort and thought I have put into my contributions here, it seems that misunderstanding and miscommunication inevitably results. That's a very frustrating position to be in - especially when it concerns a subject that I take as seriously as this one, and in a forum that I've been part of for seven and a half years. Thirdly: the "live looping" thing. Over the last three years, I have heard the "live looping" movement/community/genre described as: - A collective of avant-garde musicians banding together for mutual support unavailable in the outside world - A movement which has single-handedly eliminated the apparently lingering stigma of avant-gardism from the use of looping - A specific set of aesthetic principles of repetition, structure, and/or style - A term for anyone at all who wants to be part of it, regardless of what their music sounds like - A convenient and effective marketing handle, and nothing more - A type of music - A set of tools for making all kinds of music - A "new" movement - A movement which is not necessarily "new," but which can justifiably be described as such for the sake of inviting attention to itself - A movement which I am a part of - A movement which I could be part of, if I wish - A movement which I would likely not be a part of, due to my solo Echoplex music failing to adhere to the accepted and established parameters of "live looping music" I make this list not to be antagonistic, not to try and cut down other people's work, and not to be anti-community, but to try and demonstrate the reason I keep coming back to "the same old question": Because I simply don't understand what people are going on about, and because I'd really like to understand, and because it's immensely frustrating to me for this lack of understanding to interfere with my enjoyment of a forum dealing with a subject that's been a strong focus of mine, for nearly a third of my entire life. If people want to band together and call themselves "live loopers," and derive satisfaction from that, I think that's great. If they would like people other than themselves to understand what they're doing, and why they're doing it, then I think a coherent and concise description of those things would be a wonderful. If my asking some of those people for a meaningful explanation of their beliefs and aesthetics is an unwelcome gesture, then it sounds to me like a fairly flimsy foundation on which to mount a multi-national promotional campaign. There are a few comments that I think are worth trying to address, though I have no idea how successful I'll be at it. Doug Cox has described my contributions over the three years of his time here as rhetoric, advertising, arguing, whining, cynicism, and a lack of helpful discussion. First of all, Doug: sorry to have been such a drag. Secondly, I'm a man with some strong beliefs, and I sometimes need a certain amount of words to try and articulate those. That might come across as rhetoric. Guilty as charged, I guess. (This email certainly won't offer much in the way of a defense.) I'm also a man who has put a tremendous amount of his professional efforts into an intense and prolonged investigation of the very thing this list supposedly exists to discuss in the first place. Put another way: Advertising? Well, yeah, I have CDs for sale. They have a ton of looping on them. I post notices about this to a list dedicated to looping. I post reviews, wherein people talk about my looping, to a list dedicated to people talking about looping. A cynical observer might see posting CD reviews as advertising copy. A less cynical observer might see posting reviews as documents of the way the very subject of this list is dealt with and discussed by people (i.e. the media) who don't obsess over it on a regular basis. So, again, sorry if it comes across as crass. One source of consolation might be the hours and hours' worth of downloads which I've offered completely free of charge, often exclusively to this list, out of an intense interest in fostering discussion about the very subject here. Arguing? Sometimes I don't agree with people, and sometimes I ask people to explain their beliefs in order that I might develop a better understanding of where they're coming from. But for a very long time, I've frequently pulled what little hair I was born with in the first place out, in my efforts to be polite and respectful, even when I haven't been faced with the same treatment. Evidently I haven't always succeeded, so again, sorry to have been a drag. Whining? Could be. I specifically remember one post of mine, lamenting a lack of sales in relation to the number of downloads I was experiencing at that point, which probably came across as whining. This particular post was in a thread from about a year ago, which dealt with the merits of my giving away the dozens of tracks which were on my site at the time. My "whining" post was intended largely as a response to a gentleman who was advocating the ongoing presence of my free music, due to the widespread impact this fellow claimed it was having on other guitarists. His particular post was waiting for me one evening when I came home after working at the telephone survey job I was forced to take for a few weeks last year, which no doubt put his words in a certain perspective. So I admit it: giving away two years' worth of free music lessons, and nealy 20,000 free copies of my music, to thousands of strangers across the world, at the same time that I found myself working in a telephone call center, certainly has done some funny things to my head from time to time. If that was whining, then again, I apologize. If you need some consolation, look at it as a low-rent version of experimental music reality TV, and gorge yourself on bemusement at the crazy hijinks of my own self-pitying existence. Cynicism? Guilty as charged. A lack of helpful discussion? I beg to differ. I've done my absolute hardest to detail innumerable technical aspects of several loopers, and have gone into even more innumerable details about the conceptual reasons for why people might do what they do, based upon the different tools they use. I've offered up collections of specific musical works, in their entirety, completely for free, and then spent countless hours answering the questions that were raised by people who asked about what I was doing in those performances. I've posted recommendations of other people's music to the list when I felt it was deserved and/or conspicuously absent. (I still can't believe no one had mentioned Matthias' fantastic CD on this list before I did.) If what I've attempted to contribute to the list hasn't been helpful in the last three years, Doug, then I shudder to think what sort of contribution I would need to make in order to satisfy you. But, once again: Sorry to have been a drag. Finally, Rick Walker has a number of things to say, and unfortunately it seems he and I are as prone to misunderstanding each other as we always are. In retrospect, our penchant for seeing things in completely incompatible terms is amusing, but it's still very frustrating for me to constantly be locking horns with such a talented and charismatic fellow. Rick claims that I "have consistently refused to participate because [I] have been uncomfortable with the category or the attempt at community building in the so called Live Looping Community." In truth, this is not the case. I don't know if I'll have any more success at articulating myself now than in any of my previous attempts over the last two years, but this will very likely be the last time I get to try, so here goes: I'll admit that I've had reservations about the merits of playing a gig billed as a "live looping music" performance. As I've already mentioned, I still don't understand what that means, and I admit it's sometimes difficult for me to put a lot of enthusiasm behind something I don't understand. However, there are a few things that are in need of clarification. I have by no means "consistently refused to participate" in "looping gigs." I played "the first LA looping festival," staged at Rick's encouragement, in July of 2001. I attended Loopstock as an enthusiastic audience member in 2002. I played three seperate gigs in San Luis Obispo within a month after that, each one of which was explicitly billed as a "looping gig." I delivered a clinic and an abbreviated performance at Rick's own Y2K2 "looping festival" later that summer. I played five gigs with Rick, explicitly billed as "looping gigs," as a member of an ensemble with Rick, which was called "The Loop Trio," at the beginning of 2003. I was slated to perform at Loopstock 2003 until I was forced to pull out, due largely to illness and stress related to my father's impending demise. I played a gig with Jon Wagner in November of 2003, which he explicitly billed as a "looping music" show. I played a coffeeshop gig in New Jersey in January of this year where the theme was different artists who use loopers. That's over a dozen self-consciously-defined "looping music gigs" I've been a part of in the last two and a half years. So no, I don't necessarily object to playing a gig that's billed in such a way. What I do object to is going into a situation where I've learned, from experience, that I'm not going to be happy as a player. Having done the marathon festival/short solo set length/no soundcheck/no mid-performance break shows, I know from that experience that I don't enjoy these gigs, and I don't play to my satisfaction at them. You've admitted to feeling hurt by my inability to continue accepting gigs from you, Rick, so I'm sincerely sorry. If you could have offered me a single gig with a soundcheck, a full-length performance slot for the solo work of mine that you speak so highly of, a line-up that doesn't tax the endurance of both performers and listeners, and maybe even a shot at some percentage of the door, then maybe you would have been pleasantly surprised at my answer. Two or three of the gigs I listed above met these conditions, and they were by far the most enjoyable of the gigs for me as a player - the difference was truly night and day for me (and for the audiences as well.) In many ways, it's unfortunate (and, I'll admit, quite depressing) that you were never able or willing to offer that kind of gig to me. Then again, I can't really expect you to make it a high priority to give a "serious" gig to someone who's apparently been as big of a pain in the ass to you as I seem to have been. A wise man once said: musicians who antagonize promoters don't get good gigs from those promoters. (Alas, as I've said before, I'm not a very wise man.) So: thank you, Rick, sincerely, for extending the gig opportunities to me that you did, and for providing the catalyst that led to all of this unbelievable craziness in my life over the last three years. I know it was the result of serious work and intense enthusiasm on your part, and I'm grateful for that. I hope the numerous professional opportunities I have personally created for you, frequently at your request, have brought you some happiness and fulfillment as well. Finally, you say: "I'm so sorry that your personal feelings of not belonging and being excluded and not being recognized and not be supported financially by this community have led you to this." I appreciate your sympathy, but, once again, I think some clarification is in order. Do I feel that I don't belong? No - on the contrary, I think I've earned as much of a place on this list as anyone else. Not any MORE so than anyone else, certainly, but not any less. (Apologies to Doug Cox if this comes across as more prima donna attitude.) Do I feel unrecognized? Not at all. It seems, from recent posts, that my infamy truly preceeds me. Do I feel unsupported financially by this community? Well, I've made more money from CD sales in the last seven months than I did in the previous four years combined, so I think I'm doing something right. I'm intensely grateful to the people who think that my music is worth their dollar, and I know a significant number of them are on this list. I don't take that for granted at all - on the contrary, I feel fortunate. Would it be nice to see even more sales? Sure, but I don't expect everyone to enjoy my music, and I don't expect everyone who does enjoy it to pick up a CD. Some people I've talked to have expressed their belief that looping artists' commercial releases are not sufficiently supported by the looping community. But for my part (and without wanting to be a knee-jerk anti-community drag), I certainly don't expect anyone to buy a CD simply to "support live looping." To me, the only reason I would ask anybody to spend some bread is if they like the music on the CD itself. I have a belief: musicians who loop should try to build an audience for their music in the same way that every single musician who doesn't loop has had to build an audience for themselves, at every point throughout history: by winning over listeners on the strength of their music and their performance. Or, failing that, their marketing campaign. (Let this email be both an example and a warning to all who follow: if you make a point of escaping Robert Fripp's looping influence, you will inexorably be possesed by his penchant for endless internet posts and dissections of interpersonal conflict.) Why leave? Because I can't bear to keep spending hours trying to explain myself to people, and to keep failing at it in the ways that I apparently do. Because repeatedly debating with people who I seem utterly incapable of being understood by, or who seem utterly disinterested in even the possibility of modifying their own points of view, on the same issues year-in and year-out, is a surefire recipie for futility and frustration. Because having my attempts at intelligent, passionate, and respectful discourse seemingly fail on all counts, to the extent that it has, is quite a drag. And maybe simply because seven and a half years on a mailing list is a hell of a long time... and because I'm at a point where my music speaks infinitely more eloquently for what I think about looping than any words I could possibly come up with. To those I've offended: my sincere apologies. To those I've helped: glad to be of service. To those who've listened to the music: very sincere gratitude for offering a chunk of your life and attention to a chunk of mine. To those who fall into all three categories: sorry for being such a nut. And to those who think I'm taking this all too seriously: I'm inclined to agree - which is as good a reason as any to leave the list. I'll be unsubbing again right after sending this, so anyone who wants me to read their thoughts should mail me privately. As Larry The O once said about this very scene: "Savor the moment and cherish the memory." I did the first one, and now I'm gonna try the second one. C ya. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 08:55:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38Cpub16754; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:51:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:51:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <27.553aced4.2da6a4e2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:51:46 EDT Subject: Re: names names names - was To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <34KSwB.A.pFE.srUdAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Steve > ..."Shoegazer"? Is this something that's popped up in the 'States recently? dreary british bands who look down at their guitars 80's 90's > I'm not sure BritPop is music though. It USES music, but it's more of an > employment medium than anything else. :-) can I join your band? > Steve Goodman andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 09:01:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38D0LB17917; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:00:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:00:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40754CE7.60600@biink.com> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:00:23 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: names names names - was References: <27.553aced4.2da6a4e2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <27.553aced4.2da6a4e2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >hi Steve > > > >>..."Shoegazer"? Is this something that's popped up in the 'States recently? >> >> > >dreary british bands who look down at their guitars >80's 90's > Dude! They're looking at their shoes! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 12:14:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38G9hA10125; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:09:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:09:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:09:36 +0200 Subject: Re: names names names - was "how to announce performances" From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c41d39$1e250320$8bc6a344@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthias Grob" >> Due to Per/Rick/me Live Looping Festival tour in Sweden, there was a >> documentary about Live Looping on national TV. >> Was there a concrete result for you, Per? Not as anything near "a common definition of live looping as a musical style" - if that's what you mean(?) But as a technique for creating music I think the word "looping" has kind of caught on here in Sweden. My personal benefit from doing a lot of local announced "live looping gigs" (the first in this row taking place three years ago) is that I have made contact with lots of interesting musicians. I'm not sure if the TV documentary had much impact there, probably it would take a lot more to break "live looping" ;-) I really don't know about television in general. Sometimes I'm getting the impression that television and all kind of media is just destroying everything that is good in art. The problem seems to be media has to look for some lowest common denominator, and we all know that in art there is also a strong individual element (which usually brings over the good stuff). When "the personal touch" is dropped in favour of "the lowest common denominator" television and media plainly sucks IMHO. I would really hate to see "live looping" being turned into that kind of "average journalists all-round categorization". Speaking about that particular documentary on Live Looping I think the TV producers missed the point badly. They tried to make "a funny program about some unusual but interesting music" and it just came out wrong. They never mentioned the tape looping roots, just to pick one of their mistakes. I've been in similar situations before, when doing more commercial music on major label deals, but this time it happened to the music I care for the most. Why is it so extremely difficult to keep media from getting things the wrong way? One way for musicians to stay clear from the-usual-media-fuck-up is to CONSTANTLY show a strong Manifesto on what they are doing. The shorter and stronger, the better chances that journalists will not mistreat the information. You also have to learn to speak like a politician, making short and strong statements that can not be misunderstood. The media hype is about the music but music has nothing to do with how the media works. A sad fact of life, but you have to play by their rules, or stay out ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 12:29:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38GOqe13419; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:24:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:24:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:26:43 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Getting Gigs To: Travis Hartnett , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ab01c41d86$4ca19ea0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <8788570.1081382097477.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis- An excellent description of the gig-booking process. I'm copying it and passing it along to some of my students (but only with your blessings!) . I would add that it helps to actually visit the places you intend to play whenever possible and meet with the owners/managers/steady help. Find out what they want and what they're looking for, and be flexible in your approach until/unless your vision commands significant crowds of moneyed listeners regardless of venue. BTW, a good friend booked a "Borders tour" in the metro NY area by simply hooking up with one, then calling the others, using the first as a reference. Somewhat disappointing is that the dollar figures are probably not much different than I would have encountered twenty years ago. dB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Getting Gigs > >travis.....would be so kind as to give us some pointers as to how we could go about getting some "gigs".....there >are several "starbucks" here in town and a good number of other "coffee house/gallery" venues.....what do you >think is the best approach? > > First, you've got to make sure that you'd be a good match for the venue in question. Starbucks/Tully's are pretty middle-of-the-road in their taste. Currently I'm concentrating on solo acoustic guitar instrumentals, which is right up their alley. Most of their branches don't have music, but the ones that do (tend to be the larger ones) are usually looking for no more than a trio, acoustic based type material. Singer-songwriters tend to prevail, but you get the occaisional pianist or classical guitarist. > > If you're doing something more on the edge, the corporate chains probably aren't going to be interested. I'd look for the more alternative, independent coffee places in that case. Bear in mind that there are two sorts of places that have live music: those that have a customer base and want to improve the atmosphere of the place, and those that are looking to musicians to bring in customers and added revenue. I tend to avoid the latter, since I don't have an audience that follows me from place to place, and I don't enjoy playing somewhere where the guy behind the register is scowling at the register tape all night. > > >How do you approach the venues? > > I just give them a call, and ask who does the live music booking and how to get in touch with them. Usually I talk to that person on the phone before hand, describe what I do. It helps to be able to describe "what you do" in one sentence, such as "Acoustic guitar instrumentals". Pretty much everyone understands that, whereas "illbient glitchcore live looping" doesn't usually go down quite so smooth. It also helps if you can quickly rattle off two or three artists who are similiar to what you're doing. Or, at least in the ballpark. Since I can say that I play coffeehouses, Starbucks, etc. regularly, about half the time they don't ask for a CD. If they do, I send them one. > > The best thing that's happened in the last few years is every musician getting a website. If you're looking for places to play, find someone in the area who's in a similiar bag to you, check their website and hit up all the places listed on their gig calendar. There's no point reinventing the wheel, and I believe it all turns into synergy over time. > > > >What is the pay (if any)? Or do you rely on CD sales to make it worth your while? > > The pay varies. On the low end, we've got free drinks/food and tips. If there's any sort of audience, that usually translates to $15-$50. I put a pile of six-track CD-R's next to my tip jar (always bring your own tip jar, and label it "Tips For The Musician" and don't put it anywhere near the barista tip jar) along with a stack of FAQ type postcards I made that give a brief explanation of who I am, how I'm doing this, my website, how to get in touch with me, etc. And a sign that says "CD's Free With Donation". > > The better places give a guarantee, between $50 and $100, plus the tips and goodies. Since I'm solo and most of my gigs are within a fifteen minute drive of my house, this makes it worthwhile. I've got a handful of out-of-town (30-90 miles) gigs coming up later this month, so we'll see. Out-of-town gigs are an investment for the medium term usually--the first few times may not pay off financially, you've got to keep going back. These gigs always have a guarantee. > > One note: I've never discussed the looping aspect of what I do with any of these places beforehand. I just tell them I'm an acoustic guitar instrumentalist and I want a gig. It never comes up at the show, although later I found out that one guy who booked me just assumed I was doing two-handed tapping or something, since there was already a bassist playing there who did that sort of thing. Audience members sometimes ask, but the people working at the venue never do so. They're busy pulling drinks and whatnot. > > TravisH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 13:04:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38H1pI18233; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:01:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:01:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <12772659.1081443688982.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:01:28 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Douglas Baldwin , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Getting Gigs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug, Feel free to pass on the info to anyone who might find it useful. I used to play Borders a lot, five or six years ago. Their booking policy used to be determined by the individual stores, and the money varied between $50 to $150 if you weren't a "name" act. Sometimes it was cash, sometimes store credit, but they always had a PA (they'd done some national deal with Carvin) and the people were friendly. Then something changed, and suddenly there was a whole lot of paperwork that needed to be signed, a lot of warnings regarding volume, objectionable lyrics, and so on, and a lot of the places (in my area at least) stopped having music except for touring artists and such. But for a while it was sweet--once you'd played one, you were pretty much an automatic "in" at any of the others (I managed to book shows in the UK from the States, although my travel arrangements fell through, but the stores were good to go). On the other hand, there always seemed to be a high turnover in the booking person ("Community Affairs" I believe they called it), so if you tried to book a return gig you were talking to a new person whose first action on the job had been to roundfile the old calendar and all the demos. The good Borders gigs were the ones where they set you up in the music department, where it was quiet. The sketchier ones were the ones in the cafe area, where you had a decent chance of encountering the "Hey--I guess I'm totally invisible to these people..." phenomena. -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Baldwin Sent: Apr 8, 2004 9:26 AM To: Travis Hartnett , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Getting Gigs Travis- An excellent description of the gig-booking process. I'm copying it and passing it along to some of my students (but only with your blessings!) . I would add that it helps to actually visit the places you intend to play whenever possible and meet with the owners/managers/steady help. Find out what they want and what they're looking for, and be flexible in your approach until/unless your vision commands significant crowds of moneyed listeners regardless of venue. BTW, a good friend booked a "Borders tour" in the metro NY area by simply hooking up with one, then calling the others, using the first as a reference. Somewhat disappointing is that the dollar figures are probably not much different than I would have encountered twenty years ago. dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 13:07:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38H5BT18680; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:05:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:05:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:09:01 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Getting Gigs In-Reply-To: <00ab01c41d86$4ca19ea0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Message-ID: References: <8788570.1081382097477.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <00ab01c41d86$4ca19ea0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Travis- > An excellent description of the gig-booking process. I'm copying it and > passing it along to some of my students (but only with your blessings!) . I > would add that it helps to actually visit the places you intend to play > whenever possible and meet with the owners/managers/steady help. Find out > what they want and what they're looking for, and be flexible in your > approach until/unless your vision commands significant crowds of moneyed > listeners regardless of venue. BTW, a good friend booked a "Borders tour" in > the metro NY area by simply hooking up with one, then calling the others, > using the first as a reference. Somewhat disappointing is that the dollar > figures are probably not much different than I would have encountered twenty > years ago. > dB I'd like to second (third, whatever) my thanks to Travis for his great advice. Related to Douglas' addition: Since I don't (yet) play more than two hours drive from my home, I make a point to at least scout every venue I'm going to be playing at, mostly for two reasons: a) for lack of a better phrase, the feel of the place, and b) physical setup - where, available power, etc. For example, since I almost always use a theremin, I want to be able to setup more than six inches from my bandmate's elbow or a structural steel girder. I view this space issue as my problem, and I get to figure out how to solve it. Meeting the staff of the venue for the first time, if for no other reason than to get introductions out of the way before the evening we're setting up to play, is a great thing too. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Phasmatodea (forthcoming) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 13:17:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38GErA11084; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:14:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:14:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040408161447.2729.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:14:47 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Getting Gigs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200404081152.i38BqQp09154@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5xNOC.A.DtC.9pXdAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis speaks volumes with his excellent post. I have gone out to see him a few times and I have to say that he is one of the most persistant and hard working musicians that I have ever met. I don't have the same drive and stick-to-it quality that he does and thus don't play out very often. A quick glance at his website and I find myself amazed how much he hustles his butt to get gigs. One thing that I've noticed and I think that Travis would agree, if you're going to get gigs you need to perhaps tailor your music to the venue. Travis used to do some solo electric guitar with loopers and I remember him saying that this was a difficult thing to sell to a potential venue. I also admire how minimal his setup is. It's sheer poetry and sublime restraint. Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 14:15:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38I8L127065; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:08:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c41d94$d071c9e0$b1f1a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Cc: References: <40753C33.6D585F2D@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: For what it's worth..Danger, this reply contains no discussion of music or looping, only unrequested random philosophical content Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:10:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.241.177] at Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:08:17 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre - I must have missed the start of what caused this thread. My reply here is not directed at you, or anyone, but just offered up as a thought that went through my head. I guess my way to deal with things I don't agree with is understanding that what works for me doesn't necessarily work for others. That's fine. I know the inverse is often true. And changing a person's point of view is fraught with pitfalls. While this rule is for physics, I've found it also seems to apply to ideas: "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." Anyway, as I've grown older I'm less inclined toward changing or convincing others of anything and try (on my better days) to just live up to what I believe in, and/or be available if someone requests something of me. That's turning out to be much more challenging than debating. I personally applaud anyone who decides to beat to their own drum and by their example show what is possible if a person believes in him/herself. Wishywashyly Yours, The obtusely opinionated, ordinary, old bastard, David Kirkdorffer P.S. Tranquility is just a delete-key away. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:49 AM Subject: For what it's worth... > Earlier this evening, a friend of mine who I've known for several years, > and who joined this list several weeks ago, called me up with a question: > > "What's the story behind these people criticizing you on Looper's Delight?" > > I hadn't read any of the posts since my departure - largely because > unsubscribing from a list has a few side-effects, one of which is not > receiving any more posts to that list. And (perhaps tellingly), I > hadn't received a single private email from anyone on the list, pro or > con, since leaving. > > So I had no idea what he was referring to, until (against my initial > impulse) I had a look at the archives tonight. I'm posting this now - > and re-subscribing for only as long as it takes to send this - in an > attempt to tie up whatever may need tying up, for whomever may be > interested. > > If that isn't you, hit the delete key. If it is you, grab a coffee. > > First and foremost: no, I'm not an ageist, and no, I didn't make a > reference to "middle-aged men" in an attempt to be insulting or > demeaning. I made it for the following reason: > > For me, becoming an adult involves forming a way of dealing with the > world that is clearly-defined enough to articulate in a meaningful way, > strong enough to invite and withstand questions or criticism from other > people, and potentially flexible enough to accommodate growing or > changing if that belief system is found wanting. > > Maybe this is an overly personal generalization, and maybe it represents > an unfair projection of my own philosophies about life onto those of > other people. Or maybe I simply should have taken the time to explain > myself more fully. If I'm going to adhere to the model of maturity I've > just described, then I'll have to acknowledge these possibilities. > > So: sincere apologies for any inadvertent offense which was caused by my > choice of words, and the possible lack of a sufficient context for them. > Maybe it was a Freudian insult, stemming from frustration at being born > with half the hairline I should have gotten. > > Secondly: Why leave? > > Because I don't understand the value of a discussion list where honest, > open, meaningful, critical discussion seems to be as difficult to come > by as it does here. Because I've tried every conceivable way I can to > develop a genuine UNDERSTANDING of some of the people and beliefs in > this forum, and find myself repeatedly unable to do so. Because in > spite of the immense amount of time and effort and thought I have put > into my contributions here, it seems that misunderstanding and > miscommunication inevitably results. > > That's a very frustrating position to be in - especially when it > concerns a subject that I take as seriously as this one, and in a forum > that I've been part of for seven and a half years. > > Thirdly: the "live looping" thing. > > Over the last three years, I have heard the "live looping" > movement/community/genre described as: > > - A collective of avant-garde musicians banding together for mutual > support unavailable in the outside world > - A movement which has single-handedly eliminated the apparently > lingering stigma of avant-gardism from the use of looping > - A specific set of aesthetic principles of repetition, structure, > and/or style > - A term for anyone at all who wants to be part of it, regardless of > what their music sounds like > - A convenient and effective marketing handle, and nothing more > - A type of music > - A set of tools for making all kinds of music > - A "new" movement > - A movement which is not necessarily "new," but which can justifiably > be described as such for the sake of inviting attention to itself > - A movement which I am a part of > - A movement which I could be part of, if I wish > - A movement which I would likely not be a part of, due to my solo > Echoplex music failing to adhere to the accepted and established > parameters of "live looping music" > > I make this list not to be antagonistic, not to try and cut down other > people's work, and not to be anti-community, but to try and demonstrate > the reason I keep coming back to "the same old question": > > Because I simply don't understand what people are going on about, and > because I'd really like to understand, and because it's immensely > frustrating to me for this lack of understanding to interfere with my > enjoyment of a forum dealing with a subject that's been a strong focus > of mine, for nearly a third of my entire life. > > If people want to band together and call themselves "live loopers," and > derive satisfaction from that, I think that's great. If they would like > people other than themselves to understand what they're doing, and why > they're doing it, then I think a coherent and concise description of > those things would be a wonderful. If my asking some of those people > for a meaningful explanation of their beliefs and aesthetics is an > unwelcome gesture, then it sounds to me like a fairly flimsy foundation > on which to mount a multi-national promotional campaign. > > There are a few comments that I think are worth trying to address, > though I have no idea how successful I'll be at it. > > Doug Cox has described my contributions over the three years of his time > here as rhetoric, advertising, arguing, whining, cynicism, and a lack of > helpful discussion. > > First of all, Doug: sorry to have been such a drag. > > Secondly, I'm a man with some strong beliefs, and I sometimes need a > certain amount of words to try and articulate those. That might come > across as rhetoric. Guilty as charged, I guess. (This email certainly > won't offer much in the way of a defense.) > > I'm also a man who has put a tremendous amount of his professional > efforts into an intense and prolonged investigation of the very thing > this list supposedly exists to discuss in the first place. Put another > way: > > Advertising? Well, yeah, I have CDs for sale. They have a ton of > looping on them. I post notices about this to a list dedicated to > looping. I post reviews, wherein people talk about my looping, to a > list dedicated to people talking about looping. > > A cynical observer might see posting CD reviews as advertising copy. A > less cynical observer might see posting reviews as documents of the way > the very subject of this list is dealt with and discussed by people > (i.e. the media) who don't obsess over it on a regular basis. > > So, again, sorry if it comes across as crass. One source of consolation > might be the hours and hours' worth of downloads which I've offered > completely free of charge, often exclusively to this list, out of an > intense interest in fostering discussion about the very subject here. > > Arguing? Sometimes I don't agree with people, and sometimes I ask > people to explain their beliefs in order that I might develop a better > understanding of where they're coming from. But for a very long time, > I've frequently pulled what little hair I was born with in the first > place out, in my efforts to be polite and respectful, even when I > haven't been faced with the same treatment. Evidently I haven't always > succeeded, so again, sorry to have been a drag. > > Whining? Could be. I specifically remember one post of mine, lamenting > a lack of sales in relation to the number of downloads I was > experiencing at that point, which probably came across as whining. > > This particular post was in a thread from about a year ago, which dealt > with the merits of my giving away the dozens of tracks which were on my > site at the time. My "whining" post was intended largely as a response > to a gentleman who was advocating the ongoing presence of my free music, > due to the widespread impact this fellow claimed it was having on other > guitarists. His particular post was waiting for me one evening when I > came home after working at the telephone survey job I was forced to take > for a few weeks last year, which no doubt put his words in a certain perspective. > > So I admit it: giving away two years' worth of free music lessons, and > nealy 20,000 free copies of my music, to thousands of strangers across > the world, at the same time that I found myself working in a telephone > call center, certainly has done some funny things to my head from time > to time. If that was whining, then again, I apologize. If you need > some consolation, look at it as a low-rent version of experimental music > reality TV, and gorge yourself on bemusement at the crazy hijinks of my > own self-pitying existence. > > Cynicism? Guilty as charged. > > A lack of helpful discussion? I beg to differ. > > I've done my absolute hardest to detail innumerable technical aspects of > several loopers, and have gone into even more innumerable details about > the conceptual reasons for why people might do what they do, based upon > the different tools they use. I've offered up collections of specific > musical works, in their entirety, completely for free, and then spent > countless hours answering the questions that were raised by people who > asked about what I was doing in those performances. I've posted > recommendations of other people's music to the list when I felt it was > deserved and/or conspicuously absent. (I still can't believe no one had > mentioned Matthias' fantastic CD on this list before I did.) > > If what I've attempted to contribute to the list hasn't been helpful in > the last three years, Doug, then I shudder to think what sort of > contribution I would need to make in order to satisfy you. > > But, once again: Sorry to have been a drag. > > Finally, Rick Walker has a number of things to say, and unfortunately it > seems he and I are as prone to misunderstanding each other as we always > are. In retrospect, our penchant for seeing things in completely > incompatible terms is amusing, but it's still very frustrating for me to > constantly be locking horns with such a talented and charismatic fellow. > > Rick claims that I "have consistently refused to participate because [I] > have been uncomfortable with the category or the attempt at community > building in the so called Live Looping Community." > > In truth, this is not the case. I don't know if I'll have any more > success at articulating myself now than in any of my previous attempts > over the last two years, but this will very likely be the last time I > get to try, so here goes: > > I'll admit that I've had reservations about the merits of playing a gig > billed as a "live looping music" performance. As I've already > mentioned, I still don't understand what that means, and I admit it's > sometimes difficult for me to put a lot of enthusiasm behind something I > don't understand. > > However, there are a few things that are in need of clarification. > > I have by no means "consistently refused to participate" in "looping > gigs." I played "the first LA looping festival," staged at Rick's > encouragement, in July of 2001. I attended Loopstock as an enthusiastic > audience member in 2002. I played three seperate gigs in San Luis > Obispo within a month after that, each one of which was explicitly > billed as a "looping gig." I delivered a clinic and an abbreviated > performance at Rick's own Y2K2 "looping festival" later that summer. I > played five gigs with Rick, explicitly billed as "looping gigs," as a > member of an ensemble with Rick, which was called "The Loop Trio," at > the beginning of 2003. I was slated to perform at Loopstock 2003 until > I was forced to pull out, due largely to illness and stress related to > my father's impending demise. I played a gig with Jon Wagner in > November of 2003, which he explicitly billed as a "looping music" show. > I played a coffeeshop gig in New Jersey in January of this year where > the theme was different artists who use loopers. > > That's over a dozen self-consciously-defined "looping music gigs" I've > been a part of in the last two and a half years. So no, I don't > necessarily object to playing a gig that's billed in such a way. > > What I do object to is going into a situation where I've learned, from > experience, that I'm not going to be happy as a player. Having done the > marathon festival/short solo set length/no soundcheck/no mid-performance > break shows, I know from that experience that I don't enjoy these gigs, > and I don't play to my satisfaction at them. > > You've admitted to feeling hurt by my inability to continue accepting > gigs from you, Rick, so I'm sincerely sorry. If you could have offered > me a single gig with a soundcheck, a full-length performance slot for > the solo work of mine that you speak so highly of, a line-up that > doesn't tax the endurance of both performers and listeners, and maybe > even a shot at some percentage of the door, then maybe you would have > been pleasantly surprised at my answer. Two or three of the gigs I > listed above met these conditions, and they were by far the most > enjoyable of the gigs for me as a player - the difference was truly > night and day for me (and for the audiences as well.) > > In many ways, it's unfortunate (and, I'll admit, quite depressing) that > you were never able or willing to offer that kind of gig to me. Then > again, I can't really expect you to make it a high priority to give a > "serious" gig to someone who's apparently been as big of a pain in the > ass to you as I seem to have been. A wise man once said: musicians who > antagonize promoters don't get good gigs from those promoters. (Alas, > as I've said before, I'm not a very wise man.) > > So: thank you, Rick, sincerely, for extending the gig opportunities to > me that you did, and for providing the catalyst that led to all of this > unbelievable craziness in my life over the last three years. I know it > was the result of serious work and intense enthusiasm on your part, and > I'm grateful for that. I hope the numerous professional opportunities I > have personally created for you, frequently at your request, have > brought you some happiness and fulfillment as well. > > Finally, you say: "I'm so sorry that your personal feelings of not > belonging and being > excluded and not being recognized and not be supported financially by > this community > have led you to this." > > I appreciate your sympathy, but, once again, I think some clarification > is in order. > > Do I feel that I don't belong? No - on the contrary, I think I've > earned as much of a place on this list as anyone else. Not any MORE so > than anyone else, certainly, but not any less. (Apologies to Doug Cox > if this comes across as more prima donna attitude.) > > Do I feel unrecognized? Not at all. It seems, from recent posts, that > my infamy truly preceeds me. > > Do I feel unsupported financially by this community? Well, I've made > more money from CD sales in the last seven months than I did in the > previous four years combined, so I think I'm doing something right. I'm > intensely grateful to the people who think that my music is worth their > dollar, and I know a significant number of them are on this list. I > don't take that for granted at all - on the contrary, I feel fortunate. > Would it be nice to see even more sales? Sure, but I don't expect > everyone to enjoy my music, and I don't expect everyone who does enjoy > it to pick up a CD. > > Some people I've talked to have expressed their belief that looping > artists' commercial releases are not sufficiently supported by the > looping community. But for my part (and without wanting to be a > knee-jerk anti-community drag), I certainly don't expect anyone to buy a > CD simply to "support live looping." To me, the only reason I would ask > anybody to spend some bread is if they like the music on the CD itself. > > I have a belief: musicians who loop should try to build an audience for > their music in the same way that every single musician who doesn't loop > has had to build an audience for themselves, at every point throughout > history: by winning over listeners on the strength of their music and > their performance. Or, failing that, their marketing campaign. > > (Let this email be both an example and a warning to all who follow: if > you make a point of escaping Robert Fripp's looping influence, you will > inexorably be possesed by his penchant for endless internet posts and > dissections of interpersonal conflict.) > > Why leave? > > Because I can't bear to keep spending hours trying to explain myself to > people, and to keep failing at it in the ways that I apparently do. > Because repeatedly debating with people who I seem utterly incapable of > being understood by, or who seem utterly disinterested in even the > possibility of modifying their own points of view, on the same issues > year-in and year-out, is a surefire recipie for futility and > frustration. Because having my attempts at intelligent, passionate, and > respectful discourse seemingly fail on all counts, to the extent that it > has, is quite a drag. > > And maybe simply because seven and a half years on a mailing list is a > hell of a long time... and because I'm at a point where my music speaks > infinitely more eloquently for what I think about looping than any words > I could possibly come up with. > > To those I've offended: my sincere apologies. To those I've helped: > glad to be of service. To those who've listened to the music: very > sincere gratitude for offering a chunk of your life and attention to a > chunk of mine. To those who fall into all three categories: sorry for > being such a nut. > > And to those who think I'm taking this all too seriously: I'm inclined > to agree - which is as good a reason as any to leave the list. > > I'll be unsubbing again right after sending this, so anyone who wants me > to read their thoughts should mail me privately. > > As Larry The O once said about this very scene: "Savor the moment and > cherish the memory." > > I did the first one, and now I'm gonna try the second one. > > C ya. > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 14:15:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38I03w25871; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:00:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:00:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <37.466adb03.2da6ed17@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:59:51 EDT Subject: Re: Re: names names names - was To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Dude! They're looking at their shoes! no...that's just an act, andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 15:12:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38J8c203203; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:08:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:08:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010701c41d9c$e4b446a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: last clarification as Andre leaves the list Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:08:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre had already unsubscribed and I will take the opportunity to write him off list so I know that he will not read this short post. I make it because I wish to clarify the historical record in response to several things that he said in his very last letter: Andre wrote: "I have by no means "consistently refused to participate" in "looping gigs. "That's over a dozen self-consciously-defined "looping music gigs" I've been a part of in the last two and a half years. So no, I don't necessarily object to playing a gig that's billed in such a way." and then went on to ennumerate the number of gigs that he did that I produced or helped produced and I want to go on record as saying he is absolutely correct and I also want to say on record that I will write to him an apologize for 'over dramatizing' what I said about his refusal to participate in live looping shows. It's not true and I feel embarrassed that I was upset enough about his leaving L.D. that I greatly overstated the case. Sorry, Andre! he also wrote: "What I do object to is going into a situation where I've learned, from experience, that I'm not going to be happy as a player. Having done the marathon festival/short solo set length/no soundcheck/no mid-performance break shows, I know from that experience that I don't enjoy these gigs, and I don't play to my satisfaction at them. ............. Two or three of the gigs listed above met these conditions, and they were by far the most enjoyable of the gigs for me as a player - the difference was truly night and day for me (and for the audiences as well.) In many ways, it's unfortunate (and, I'll admit, quite depressing) that you were never able or willing to offer that kind of gig to me." I do have to say, however, that this is a bit innacurrate from my perspective. To say I was never able (certainly true at times) has been true because we were always on 1) a huge multiple artist bill with strong time constraints or 2) multiple artist tours where I did not have control over the time of the performances in gigs where I was not producing (bars and such). To say I was unwilling is absolutely preposterous and an incorrect assumption on Andre's part. The style of the gigs and tours I have booked (and goddamit, how many other people have worked as hard as I have for little or no pay to try and promote Andre's artistry and the artistry of others?) has reflected the fact that, frequently, we had no 'name' draw with the looping artists we were working with (outside of Michael Manring, bless his heart and incredible artistry), so I made multiple artist bills to show people what a cool thing that we were doing (using the metaphor of live looping). To clarify, Andre has always been ambivalent about the 30 minute blitzkrieg sets at the big Loop Fests I've put on and I understand his frustration. I, myself, have to take a really tiny stomp box pedal looping rig to those kinds of shows that are out of town and can't to my full show because there isn't time for a more grandiose setup. It sucks but it is the nature of the game at any festival, no matter what the genre (or non-genre..........lol). In the last festival, I specifically knew that Andre would turn me down for this reason and I offered to give him the only full (45-60 minute) slot and the headline status (both in publicity and in concert billing) that I've ever offered anyone at any of the festivals that I've thrown........I also offered him an honorarium for playing, to come out of the profits of the festival. Again, this is unprecedented in the festivals that I've put on for two reasons: I've tried until very recently, to be very egalitarian about how I booked the shows so that everyone would have a chance to play, and, hence a have a sense of truly belonging to the community (the community that has a very simple definition: People who use live looping devices and who want to play at the festivals................lol................no more definition than that............just whoever wants to participate.) For many other reasons, Andre turned me down, but he told me, specifically, that it wasn't fair of me to offer him something that I wasn't offering the other loopersand that he didn't feel comfortable accepting on the basis of that: That meant he wouldn't accept a normal slot for lack of time in front of the audience and lack of funds and he wouldn't accept a longer slot with pay because I couldn't offer it to everybody. Nice double bind. I gave up. So, let the record state: I like Andre. I consider him a friend and a colleague. I think the world of his artistry and innovation; his intelligence and his articulation. I, will miss him at this list, despite the fact that, as friends and colleagues we have gotten 'into it' over and over and over..............lol. I'm with him, though: I define maturity as the ability to engage people in rhetorical dialogue with mutual respect and without name calling and I have regretted the amount of that kind of behaviour that finds it's way onto Loopers Delight occasionally. That being said, I think we are like any other community: we are not perfect and things get good here and they get boring; they are harmonious and they flair up into disruptiveness and lack of respect...................We just have to deal, eh? sincerely, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 15:22:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38JJfM05030; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:19:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:19:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Getting Gigs (Borders) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:19:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <12772659.1081443688982.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Thread-Index: AcQdi4+YeFk0NFozQcuwDEJVoWpoBgAESung X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.12.148.13] at Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:19:35 -0500 Message-Id: <20040408191938.XRCT6671.out003.verizon.net@home> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i38JJfo05006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I played Borders too, as there are 3 within 50 miles of each other. About 5 years ago, I played each one, once a month for 3 years. It was great, either they paid money or got gift certificates (a few years, everyone got Christmas presents from Borders). I got a huge book and CD collection through them. Through their corporate office, we booked shows up the east coast for grand openings- one gig, we shared with a Tony Bennett book signing! We usually asked to play in the 'art' section rather than the café, since it was a big open space, and a lot quieter. They let us sell CDs freely. They even fed us. One day a few years ago they cut all compensation for artists- in fact, I heard that the company had expanded too fast, and was in trouble. The first to go was the music events. I had played 1 grand opening since, and was paid for it. Any other performances were to be for free. I have done a lot of free shows in my life, but I can't play for free for a corporation that used to pay me well. BTW, Barnes & Noble used to have music, but not pay. Not even free drinks. I'd rather play for free in a small independent coffeehouse. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Feel free to pass on the info to anyone who might find it useful. > > I used to play Borders a lot, five or six years ago. Their > booking policy used to be determined by the individual > stores, and the money varied between $50 to $150 if you > weren't a "name" act. Sometimes it was cash, sometimes store > credit, but they always had a PA (they'd done some national > deal with Carvin) and the people were friendly. Then > something changed, and suddenly there was a whole lot of > paperwork that needed to be signed, a lot of warnings > regarding volume, objectionable lyrics, and so on, and a lot > of the places (in my area at least) stopped having music > except for touring artists and such. But for a while it was > sweet--once you'd played one, you were pretty much an > automatic "in" at any of the others (I managed to book shows > in the UK from the States, although my travel arrangements > fell through, but the stores were good to go). > > On the other hand, there always seemed to be a high turnover > in the booking person ("Community Affairs" I believe they > called it), so if you tried to book a return gig you were > talking to a new person whose first action on the job had > been to roundfile the old calendar and all the demos. > > The good Borders gigs were the ones where they set you up in > the music department, where it was quiet. The sketchier ones > were the ones in the cafe area, where you had a decent chance > of encountering the "Hey--I guess I'm totally invisible to > these people..." phenomena. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Baldwin > Sent: Apr 8, 2004 9:26 AM > To: Travis Hartnett , > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Getting Gigs > > Travis- > An excellent description of the gig-booking process. I'm > copying it and passing it along to some of my students (but > only with your blessings!) . I would add that it helps to > actually visit the places you intend to play whenever > possible and meet with the owners/managers/steady help. Find > out what they want and what they're looking for, and be > flexible in your approach until/unless your vision commands > significant crowds of moneyed listeners regardless of venue. > BTW, a good friend booked a "Borders tour" in the metro NY > area by simply hooking up with one, then calling the others, > using the first as a reference. Somewhat disappointing is > that the dollar figures are probably not much different than > I would have encountered twenty years ago. > dB > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 8 18:45:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i38MdCo32162; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:39:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:39:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.4bb1621b.2da72e76@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:38:46 EDT Subject: Re: last clarification as Andre leaves the list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5b.4bb1621b.2da72e76_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_5b.4bb1621b.2da72e76_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/04 3:09:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > I define maturity as the ability to engage people > in rhetorical dialogue with mutual respect and without name calling HEY RICK YA BIG GOOF.....hears my rhattorical daffynition.....i define manurity as the ability to keep my mouth shut because no one, including me, really cares what i have to say because i'll just contradict myself a few minutes later.....also.....it is the ever increasing pain in every joint of my body.....:).....michael (too old to know any better) p.s. the only way i'll leave LD is if you pull my keyboard from my cold dead hands.....or something like that..... n.p. CT-COLLECTIVE'S "LOCATIONS VOLUME 2".....wonderful --part1_5b.4bb1621b.2da72e76_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/8/04 3:09:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, looppool@cruzio.com wri= tes:


I define maturity as the abilit= y to engage people
in rhetorical dialogue with mutual respect and without name calling

HEY RICK YA BIG GOOF.....hears my rhattorical daffynition.....i define manur= ity as the ability to keep my mouth shut because no one, including me, reall= y cares what i have to say because i'll just contradict myself a few minutes= later.....also.....it is the ever increasing pain in every joint of my body= .....:).....michael (too old to know any better)

p.s. the only way i'll leave LD is if you pull my keyboard from my cold dead= hands.....or something like that.....
n.p. CT-COLLECTIVE'S "LOCATIONS VOLUME 2".....wonderful --part1_5b.4bb1621b.2da72e76_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 06:39:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i39AbNS16985; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 06:37:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 06:37:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: FYI: EDP on ebay Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:39:19 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.61 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi FYI: There's an EDP currently on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41415&item=3716739715 &rd=1 Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 08:33:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i39CVVB29130; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 08:31:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 08:31:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040407113556.76855.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040407113556.76855.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:29:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: how to announce performances Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >As long as we all agree on a term i have no problem >with that but everybody is still arguing about it;-) >As far as the link goes i had it on my website but i >had to take it out because it now takes you to a >travel guide! I realized and Andy renewed the URL >if you have a new link go ahead and send it to me >cheers problem is that the site does not grow by itself :-) >Louie > > > > > > >--- Matthias Grob wrote: >> Louie said >> >Folks I've announced my performances as guitar >> loops >> >and soundscapes,live looping,painting >> guitar,minimal >> >guitar,guitar visions etc. and i still havent been >> >thrown in jail;-) and to tell you the truth people >> >don't seem to care too much about the terms because >> >they still cannot grasp what i am doing! >> >> thats the problem... >> as long as each one of us invents his own or several >> of them >> (I called my stuff Musica AguArianA :-), how could >> people care for >> terms and grab them? >> But once they read an article or watch a TV >> documentary about Live >> Looping they will react to a musician who sais that >> he does that. >> And as long as LD looks like it does and all members >> claim their own >> specific style, hardly any such press reactions can >> be expected. >> >> If you can put a link to some LiveLooping.com on >> your personal site >> and people see that you make part of a movement, >> they may trust more >> than when if say that you invented your completely >> own thing. >> >> But I may be totally wrong, I am just an engineer >> :-) >> >> Due to Per/Rick/me Live Looping Festival tour in >> Sweden, there was a >> documentary about Live Looping on national TV. >> Was there a concrete result for you, Per? >> -- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> > > >===== >www.luis-angulo.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway >http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 12:40:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i39GYRs28121; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:34:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:34:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Andre goes away from the old list--and I doubt that we can all just get along Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:34:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQa8hDUS+twxKLdRJm1Uiwpr3exTwDWnpVQ Message-Id: <20040409163421.DDWP17905.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went ahead and listened to Matthias's CD yesterday--so very different from the music that Andre is making. I can see how a musical label that includes both kinds of music would be aggravating to find. Both using electric guitar into an Echoplex Pro! It is great that Andre has gotten so good at using the EDP to create this different music--I think, tho, he's tough to copy. Matthias invented the damned thing and so has had lots of time using one too 8^) . . . I think he is playing the music that he is supposed to be playing (glitchcore would only be a phase, he likes balance) Andre seems to have bookings with Fresno! In San Francisco the second weekend of June. http://www.altruistmusic.com/news.html Who knows, maybe Andre will lurk here--after all, he hasn't been posting much recently. And others have gone away abruptly, with or without notice--Mark Sottilaro, Cara--I just found Denis Taafe announcing gigs on his website--remember him? And Miko Biffle went away for a while, and there was another Miko in the interim that annoyed many . . . Andre said during his complaint that no one has pmailed him regarding it, so I did. Asked him to stay in touch--and got no response. I am not sure he likes me--I am not sure anyone likes me. I am sure I like the new, battery powered, loop set up I am trying--managed to acquire a DL4, RC-20, DFX-94 and DigiDelay (last two are 4 second DigiTech pedals) and seem to have a lot of possibilities using them in series. We will drag it up to the local Starbucks and drink coffee and pretend not to entertain after tax season. So hello and goodbye to all who are still reading this, and try to be patient with those who are strange to you. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 12:58:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i39GniI30220; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:49:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:49:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c41e53$ca377f10$0300a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <20040409163421.DDWP17905.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Looping w/battery power (Re: Andre goes away ) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:57:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary, Your battery powered system sounds like fun. Can you describe the amp, instrument, and what hopes/concerns you have? David ----- Original Message ----- | (...)| I am sure I like the new, battery powered, loop set up I am trying--managed | to acquire a DL4, RC-20, DFX-94 and DigiDelay (last two are 4 second | DigiTech pedals) and seem to have a lot of possibilities using them in | series. We will drag it up to the local Starbucks and drink coffee and | pretend not to entertain after tax season. | So hello and goodbye to all who are still reading this, and try to be | patient with those who are strange to you. | Gary | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 13:44:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i39Heio03380; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:40:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:40:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Looping w/battery power (Re: Andre goes away ) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 10:40:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <002f01c41e53$ca377f10$0300a8c0@audiows> Thread-Index: AcQeVCIEMNBgb/nIRtGNN9sYlk/47QABSk5Q Message-Id: <20040409174037.DBWO14862.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com] Gary, Your battery powered system sounds like fun. Can you describe the amp, instrument, and what hopes/concerns you have? David ----- Original Message ----- | (...)| I am sure I like the new, battery powered, loop set up I am trying--managed | to acquire a DL4, RC-20, DFX-94 and DigiDelay (last two are 4 second | DigiTech pedals) and seem to have a lot of possibilities using them in | series. -----> Why sure--altho I have a gig to get to 8^) Carvin stage mate amp, Taylor acoustic guitar--objective is to have fun playing and maybe get some gigs--I will probably sing and maybe play harmonica--I know lots of songs but am 51 and becoming less attractive as I type. All for now! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 17:47:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i39Lecn32399; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:40:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:40:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040409214037.22810.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:40:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: RE: Getting Gigs (Borders) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040408191938.XRCT6671.out003.verizon.net@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- hazard factor wrote: > > I played Borders too, as there are 3 within 50 miles > of each other. About 5 > years ago, I played each one, once a month for 3 lot, five or six years Yeah, and I remember seeing a couple of your Borders gigs too, at least while I was still living in the area. Good to see you're still out there, Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 21:30:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A1Sph26600; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:28:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c41e9b$31b7f4c0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <20040409174037.DBWO14862.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Looping w/battery power (Re: Andre goes away ) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:28:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, that looks a lot like my looping rig: RC-20 DL-4 Akai Headrush DFX94 PDS20/20 (tweaked for 17-20 second of very low-fi delay, more a special effect looper then anything else) Boss RPD-10 with hold switch(for drones that I can pitch shift and send into oscillation) What mode are you using on the digitech? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: RE: Looping w/battery power (Re: Andre goes away ) > -----Original Message----- > From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com] > > Gary, Your battery powered system sounds like fun. Can you describe the > amp, instrument, and what hopes/concerns you have? > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > | (...)| I am sure I like the new, battery powered, loop set up I am > trying--managed > | to acquire a DL4, RC-20, DFX-94 and DigiDelay (last two are 4 second > | DigiTech pedals) and seem to have a lot of possibilities using them in > | series. > > -----> Why sure--altho I have a gig to get to 8^) > Carvin stage mate amp, Taylor acoustic guitar--objective is to have fun > playing and maybe get some gigs--I will probably sing and maybe play > harmonica--I know lots of songs but am 51 and becoming less attractive as I > type. > All for now! > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 21:38:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A1WgU27290; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:32:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:32:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Looping w/battery power hopes/concerns Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:32:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20040409174037.DBWO14862.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Thread-Index: AcQeVCIEMNBgb/nIRtGNN9sYlk/47QABSk5QABAgwtA= Message-Id: <20040410013235.LNNE14862.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <1xnjLC.A.SqG.660dAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-- I'm back from my gig and wanted to share more-- I like the idea of having a loop setup that is easy to transport and set up. My rack setup includes MIDI and volume pedals and I REALLLY like using my Starr Labs Ztar as it affords me synth stuff and MIDI control for the loops. HOWEVER--it requires a bit of time to get ready to play, and is heavy to transport. I can see that the two things are different beasts. The Echoplex lets you do exactly what you want, whereas each of the separate loop pedals in the battery powered setup (incidentally, I have power supplies for all the devices, so I don't need to piss away the environment 'til I actually busk) has its own weaknesses/liabilities. The main idea is to let the RC-20 and the DL4 take up slack from each other, and use the DigiTech pedals for percussion and short sampling of the DL4. It's all still in its infancy, so I will keep you posted. One thing I notice is uneffected acoustic guitar isn't something you want to stack layers and layers of--the timbre doesn't change enough to allow you to fill the spaces. I like how Matthias for example (or Claude Voit) will create a bed and then layer more things over the top--not the same without reverb! I might want to include a battery powered effector in this setup . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 21:58:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A1uMZ30858; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:56:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:56:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c41e9f$09d47b50$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <20040410013235.LNNE14862.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Looping w/battery power hopes/concerns Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:56:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to say any guitar singal is not something you would want layers and layers of....Then again I enjoy creating contrast in loops with alot of stomp boxes. I think I am the only player here who does really use a racks set-up(aside from 2 knob based ones). If one adaptor was OK, I would say the Yamaha magic stomp, as it is the best floor multi I have for reverbs and delays. But, for one without a adaptor.....well, there are none I would suggest. All the decent ones are AC only(unless something comes to mind later). what about a small pedal rig? Like a Reverb or 2, analog delay, digital delay, and a couple modulation effects? Maybe a PitchShifter as well? aside from that, there is the Boss ME series. I am not sure if the ME-50 works of battery power(if it does, that is my multieffect selection). Oh, there is also the Digitech RP series, and a few can be battery powered I think...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Looping w/battery power hopes/concerns > > Hi-- > I'm back from my gig and wanted to share more-- > I like the idea of having a loop setup that is easy to transport and set up. > My rack setup includes MIDI and volume pedals and I REALLLY like using my > Starr Labs Ztar as it affords me synth stuff and MIDI control for the loops. > HOWEVER--it requires a bit of time to get ready to play, and is heavy to > transport. > I can see that the two things are different beasts. The Echoplex lets you > do exactly what you want, whereas each of the separate loop pedals in the > battery powered setup (incidentally, I have power supplies for all the > devices, so I don't need to piss away the environment 'til I actually busk) > has its own weaknesses/liabilities. The main idea is to let the RC-20 and > the DL4 take up slack from each other, and use the DigiTech pedals for > percussion and short sampling of the DL4. It's all still in its infancy, so > I will keep you posted. > One thing I notice is uneffected acoustic guitar isn't something you want to > stack layers and layers of--the timbre doesn't change enough to allow you to > fill the spaces. I like how Matthias for example (or Claude Voit) will > create a bed and then layer more things over the top--not the same without > reverb! I might want to include a battery powered effector in this setup . > . . > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 22:01:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A1mw429996; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c41e9e$010e0aa0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <20040410013743.LQPF14862.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: DFX 94 (was Looping w/battery power) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:49:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I ment on the Digidelay:) I am wondering if you are using the 4 second loop or it as a hold/delay. The DFX94 almost has to be used on the Infinite repeat mode to be useful. I've never really used the sample portion of it. The sample mode is trigger based, so it is always a "one shot" sample. Though, when I started messing with mine, the sampler function on it died(which doesn;t bother me really as I got a additional 2.5 seconds of delay out of it). If I find the manual I will scan it...I know it is around here somewhere. I've had that pedal for so long(I bought it the day it came out along with a Boss PS-3, my first looping rig in a nutshell) the manual is kinda useless to me at this point. If you have any issues with it feel free to ask me about it. Shane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:37 PM Subject: DFX 94 (was Looping w/battery power) > Shane Whitbread wrote-- > > What mode are you using on the digitech DFX-94? > > It hasn't made it into the setup yet!!!! > I told you it was in its infancy LOL > Any suggestions? > I think probably sampling mode--boy is it a great pedal--thanks Matt > Davignon . . .what do you think the sampling rate on it is? > BTW, I do NOT have a manual for this pup, so if anyone else does, feel free > to scan it and send it my way! > Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 22:28:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A2QgF02085; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:26:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:26:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Cc: Subject: re: Simple loop-based meditation for children Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 19:26:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Douglas: You kept the tempo in your mind and watched the LED. What was the reason that you did that? Seems like it would have been easier to wait till the meditation was to begin and then start. Wouldn't you be in danger of losing tempo? Damon Grossman 114 Paloma Ave,. #6 Venice, CA 90291 310-452-6356 ph 310-466-3418 cell 310-496-3191 fax damongrossman@comcast.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 22:41:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A1btj28198; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:37:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:37:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: DFX 94 (was Looping w/battery power) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:37:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000f01c41e9b$31b7f4c0$6402a8c0@breakyii> Thread-Index: AcQem9lwoiXesIS1QEuFKmLdWo4/AQAACP8Q Message-Id: <20040410013743.LQPF14862.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <13BVaC.A.e4G.z_0dAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shane Whitbread wrote-- What mode are you using on the digitech DFX-94? It hasn't made it into the setup yet!!!! I told you it was in its infancy LOL Any suggestions? I think probably sampling mode--boy is it a great pedal--thanks Matt Davignon . . .what do you think the sampling rate on it is? BTW, I do NOT have a manual for this pup, so if anyone else does, feel free to scan it and send it my way! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 22:45:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A2i7K04091; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:44:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:44:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Effector w/battery power Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 19:43:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <002901c41e9f$09d47b50$6402a8c0@breakyii> Thread-Index: AcQen5YXi+3YLTB/SzqUtwdicauXqgABbpfw Message-Id: <20040410024359.NQQE16183.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Shane Whitbread wrote: aside from that, there is the Boss ME series. I am not sure if the ME-50 works of battery power(if it does, that is my multieffect selection). Oh, there is also the Digitech RP series, and a few can be battery powered I think...... -------> I kow the ME-30 can be used with batteries, and I gave one to my stepson to use, then subsequently bought him an RP some damn thing--time to retrieve the ME me thinks . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 23:15:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A2DxH00691; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:13:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:13:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: Percussionist and EDP seeker Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 19:13:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000f01c41e9b$31b7f4c0$6402a8c0@breakyii> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all: i haven't posted before so here goes: also, i am just getting started on this site if you refer to the numbers of things e.g. rc-20 please also say who makes it because other than Line 6 and Boss I don't know any of the other looping or electronic gear manufacturers. Hey I'm a percussionist. i have put the questions at the beginning if you don't want to read all the reasons why i am asking what i am asking. QUESTIONS: Is there another looping product besides EDP that gives you independence of tracks and stereo? How can i buy two EDPS? How much per EDP should I expect to pay? Should i buy new or used? ebay? I just saw one go for around $630 used. Aren't they around $1000 new? West La Music, a local music store? Direct from Gibson? Does the Boomerang have stereo output? Other percussion loopers unite. I am looking for other loopers who are also percussionists. It seems that the majority of members of this group are guitarists. I have scene on the looper website the article directed at drummers. but i haven't seen any posts since i subscribed that directly relate to that. Please let me know that you are a percussionist and a looper. I welcome responses from guitarists who are also percussionists. But i would LOVE to hear from a looper(s) who is exclusively a hand percussionist like me. BACKGROUND I am a percussionist and I have been using a Line 6 and an RC-20 for the past few years to loop. i prefer the RC-20 to the Line 6 because you can save the phrases. Too bad you can't move the phrase to the next track and continue building on it. you can play live over it but it won't record the new phrase. anyway I digress. EDP i want to loop my hand percussion in stereo. i have found that once I loop a few percussion tracks that they don't sound as nice without being separated by a stereo effect. My theory about this is that because our ear hears in stereo that it sounds unnatural for the drum sounds to be coming in mono. In fact, my feeling is that the rhythmic phrases sound clumsy until separated. I have recorded (not looped) and separated out the phrases by simply moving the pan on each track to left and right and it sounds much better. Also, i then loop my voice on top of that. So now i have layers of sounds and by the time i put my voice loops the percussion is way in the background. At the very least the Boomerang (this would be my third looping device) has two independant tracks. Brand new this costs around $400 would enable me to have the voice track and the percussion track on two separate tracks. So i could i adjust the volume on each but it is a mono sound. or is it? I still have the problem of losing the more I layer but at least my vocals and my percussion can both be heard. So it seems that it is in my immediate destiny to have at lease one EDP. But the only way to do stereo that i know is to have two EDP's and synch them using Brother Synch. So now i must buy not only one but two EDP's. or is there another device that They are legendarily hard to find new or used. Once you have one, then getting them serviced from Gibson can be a bear. I have heard. If you read this much thank you and I look forward to seeing you at Loopstock. . -----Original Message----- From: Shane Whitbread [mailto:shanewhitbread@sympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 6:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping w/battery power (Re: Andre goes away ) Wow, that looks a lot like my looping rig: RC-20 DL-4 Akai Headrush DFX94 PDS20/20 (tweaked for 17-20 second of very low-fi delay, more a special effect looper then anything else) Boss RPD-10 with hold switch(for drones that I can pitch shift and send into oscillation) What mode are you using on the digitech? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: RE: Looping w/battery power (Re: Andre goes away ) > -----Original Message----- > From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com] > > Gary, Your battery powered system sounds like fun. Can you describe the > amp, instrument, and what hopes/concerns you have? > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > | (...)| I am sure I like the new, battery powered, loop set up I am > trying--managed > | to acquire a DL4, RC-20, DFX-94 and DigiDelay (last two are 4 second > | DigiTech pedals) and seem to have a lot of possibilities using them in > | series. > > -----> Why sure--altho I have a gig to get to 8^) > Carvin stage mate amp, Taylor acoustic guitar--objective is to have fun > playing and maybe get some gigs--I will probably sing and maybe play > harmonica--I know lots of songs but am 51 and becoming less attractive as I > type. > All for now! > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 9 23:37:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A3PTC09567; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 23:25:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 23:25:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: To: Subject: RE: Effector w/battery power Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:42:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20040410024359.NQQE16183.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI guys, I just wanted to drop a line and let you know i have a digitech rds 8000 for sale with the boss momentary switches. If interested, please email me at kaiserdan@comcast.net. anyone use the zvex lofi junky? -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Effector w/battery power -----Original Message----- From: Shane Whitbread wrote: aside from that, there is the Boss ME series. I am not sure if the ME-50 works of battery power(if it does, that is my multieffect selection). Oh, there is also the Digitech RP series, and a few can be battery powered I think...... -------> I kow the ME-30 can be used with batteries, and I gave one to my stepson to use, then subsequently bought him an RP some damn thing--time to retrieve the ME me thinks . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 01:41:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A5Tr522900; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 01:29:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 01:29:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040409231710.041400d8@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:12:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Percussionist and EDP seeker In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c41e9b$31b7f4c0$6402a8c0@breakyii> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4LnrrD.A.plF.RZ4dAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:13 PM 4/9/2004, Damon Grossman wrote: >QUESTIONS: >Is there another looping product besides EDP that gives you independence of >tracks and stereo? >How can i buy two EDPS? >How much per EDP should I expect to pay? >Should i buy new or used? >ebay? I just saw one go for around $630 used. Aren't they around $1000 new? >West La Music, a local music store? >Direct from Gibson? Damon, I'm sure a lot of other people will chime in with their thoughts, but since it seems to have been a whole two hours with no reply <*gasp*>, I'll go ahead and get things kicked off. First, the EDP+ is listed at Musician's Fiend for $799 even as we speak, but from what I understand there's a supply-side problem with actually getting them in the stores. A quick peruse through the archives should fill in some of the blanks, or perhaps some of the individuals more closely linked to the situation will step in. It does seem as if a lot of the users here recommend Alto Music, however, and they may be a good bet for an EDP purchase once they begin coming back into the stores. Used units on Ebay may go for cheaper, but make certain they've had their memory filled up (the new units come with max memory, if I remember correctly). Also, you may have to pony up for a foot controller if your don't already have one. Next, I must say that I agree wholeheartedly with your philosophy regarding stereo (these days, I mostly play synths so all my sound sources are stereo). With the EDP, you do have to buy two units and brother sync them together to achieve stereo functionality. For that reason, I'm not an EDP user myself. Personally, the stereo thing is the one issue that always blew the EDP's price-to-value ratio out of the water for me. If I've got to save up almost two grand to get a stereo EDP, then I'll save for a bit longer and get an Eventide or, better yet, a Kyma. Anyway, end soapbox -- as always, YMMV and there are others here who certainly feel differently. Also, there is evidently an effort in the works to port the EDP's operating software over to the Soundarts Chameleon. While there will be obviously be some limitations of other sorts on that platform, at least it'll stop myself and various others from whingeing on about the EDP's lack of stereo support at a reasonable price-point. As for alternate options, you should start by going through the 'Tools of the Trade' section of the Loopers Delight website ( http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html ). My personal choice is the Electrix Repeater, which is a favorite of many others here on the list as well. It features four independent tracks which can be used separately or linked into stereo pairs, as well as some nice extras (effects loop, ability to shift time and pitch independent of each other, loop storage/recall via CFC, etc.). Though discontinued, you can still find them on Ebay for around $800 these days. Some of the other options that take stereo into account: On the upper end, you've got the aforementioned Eventide Orville or the Symbolic Sound Kyma, both of which will allow you to at the very least reconfigure the algorithms in order to customize the box for your task (heck, the Kyma is actually a programmable hardware platform which can be customized to be just about anything you want -- effects or otherwise). Then you've got the old dependable Lexicon units -- like the Jamman or the PCM-42 -- which still perform well. And at the low end, you've got quirkier boxes like the Cycloops. These may not exactly be your cup of tea or they may be exactly what you're looking for. As I said before, YMMV. >Other percussion loopers unite. I am looking for other loopers who are also >percussionists. It seems that the majority of members of this group are >guitarists. There are a good deal of guitarists here, but there are a lot of other instrumentalists as well -- bass, synths, winds, orchestral strings.... There are also quite a few kickass looping percussionists hanging out here too, but I'll let them step up and introduce themselves in their own time. Welcome to the list; I don't think you'll be disappointed in the least. :) -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 02:11:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A68Ai27475; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:08:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:08:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:12:17 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] RE: Effector w/battery power In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 kaiserdan@comcast.net wrote: [snip] > anyone use the zvex lofi junky? [snip] Yes, I do. I don't use it constantly, but it's a lot of fun. Any particular questions I can try to answer? best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 03:05:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A74Oo02481; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:04:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:04:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:04:22 -0400 Subject: all this From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3164411063_236724" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3164411063_236724 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable all this stuff about who did what and didn=B9t do what and is and isn=B9t this and what=B9s called which makes me think about something this Buddhist guy Dhiravamsa said you should live your life as a fire that burns itself clean leaving no ash Love, --=20 ghost 7 http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 d.ans@rcn.com --B_3164411063_236724 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable all this all this stuff about who did what and didn’t do = what and is and isn’t this and what’s called which makes me thin= k about something this Buddhist guy Dhiravamsa said


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 --B_3164411063_236724-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 04:17:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A8FU509392; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 04:15:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 04:15:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c41ed4$2ec24480$6ab61345@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20040409163421.DDWP17905.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Andre goes away from the old list--and I doubt that we can all just get along Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 01:16:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > And Miko Biffle went away for a while, and there was another Miko in the interim that annoyed many . . . So was it my alter-ego or actually someone entirely different? I'd like to know just what went on if that's really true? (I guess I'm sorta back for the moment!) signed, the REAL Miko... "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" Check out my cd, 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ICS Santa Cruz X-Ray Lodge! http://www.powerhat.com/ics From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 04:27:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A8Qta11220; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 04:26:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 04:26:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 04:26:45 EDT Subject: Re: LiveLooping.com was stuff on wrong thread To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > =Louie > =Matthias > >As long as we all agree on a term i have no problem > >with that but everybody is still arguing about it;-) > >As far as the link goes i had it on my website but i > >had to take it out because it now takes you to a > >travel guide! > > I realized and Andy renewed the URL nope, I tried, but it doesn't seem to be available. > > >if you have a new link go ahead and send it to me > >cheers > > problem is that the site does not grow by itself :-) > > >Louie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 05:23:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A9GKC16449; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 05:16:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 05:16:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 05:28:38 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: names names names - was "how to announce performances" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_jLE1B.A.3AE.jt7dAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthias Grob" > >>> Due to Per/Rick/me Live Looping Festival tour in Sweden, there was a >>> documentary about Live Looping on national TV. >>> Was there a concrete result for you, Per? > > >Not as anything near "a common definition of live looping as a musical >style" - if that's what you mean(?) no, I did not expect that, I just hoped that they could show how we do it and bring some of the feeling that comes along with it... >But as a technique for creating music I >think the word "looping" has kind of caught on here in Sweden. thats something! > My personal >benefit from doing a lot of local announced "live looping gigs" (the first >in this row taking place three years ago) is that I have made contact with >lots of interesting musicians. I'm not sure if the TV documentary had much >impact there, probably it would take a lot more to break "live looping" ;-) > >I really don't know about television in general. Sometimes I'm getting the >impression that television and all kind of media is just destroying >everything that is good in art. I had that experience more with written media. Sentences of mine have been abused to proove the stand point of the journalist. Or they simply invented: once a concert of mine was announces as "swiss singer interpretes traditional swiss songs" - the gui certainly did not read any of the text I had sent him! I have given quite some TV and radio interviews over the years and felt they represented reasonably well what I was trying to express. Then again, the impact was next to zero: Usually an amazing amount of people meet afterwards tell me they saw and liked it, but thats all! Giba and me played at a great festival in December (any of you could apply to that: Mercado Cultural, moved by the alternative school viamagia http://www.viamagia.com.br/mercado5/port/principal.htm, a week of really good concerts, no very famous artists, but high quality of all kinds and a constant public, spread over 10 different places in Salvador, from silent theater to late night open air rock shows...) There, MTV Brasil made a documentary about our show and when it recently was on air twice, the only return was a single CD order, no gig. I found it amazing: there must have been far over 100'000 people watching, and exactly one made the effort to look me up on the net? I could conclude that the music is not good enough, but the show was really viby and my CDs are in use in many places, be it for massage or just to wash the dishes. I am pretty sure that its the repetition of many such appearences that make people confident, for the same reason maybe why we loop. Any learning process needs repetition. If we had made the effort to contact venues, mentioning the TV event, it probably would have helped. But we dont have time and punch for this kind of work, so we will see how far the music takes us without effort :-) >When "the personal touch" is dropped in favour of "the lowest common >denominator" television and media plainly sucks IMHO. I would really hate to >see "live looping" being turned into that kind of "average journalists >all-round categorization". how can we avoid that? only by not using any genres/labels/style names at all? > >Speaking about that particular documentary on Live Looping I think the TV >producers missed the point badly. They tried to make "a funny program about >some unusual but interesting music" and it just came out wrong. yes, I sometimes had the impression that TV did not film me because of the funny clown potential rather than serious art content. As long as they dont turn it ridiculous, I still think its better than nothing... >They never >mentioned the tape looping roots, just to pick one of their mistakes. I think we should mention the roots in respect for the ones that came before us, but it may be not very interesting for the public, really... >I've been in similar situations before, when doing more commercial >music on major label deals, but this time it happened to the music I >care for the most. sounds sad really, you did not tell me that... > Why is it so extremely difficult to keep media from getting things the wrong >way? stress of the makers / final decision by some editors rough rules... >One way for musicians to stay clear from the-usual-media-fuck-up is to >CONSTANTLY show a strong Manifesto on what they are doing. The >shorter and stronger, the better chances that journalists will not >mistreat the >information. yes, and this keeps it superficial by itself, because no serious art can be described short and strong. :-( >You also have to learn to speak like a politician, making short >and strong statements that can not be misunderstood. The media hype >is about the music but music has nothing to do with how the media >works. A sad fact of life, but you have to play by their rules, or >stay out ;-) > hmmm... did we play their rules or stay out? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 05:40:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3A9aLc18615; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 05:36:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 05:36:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040410093614.23968.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:36:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Gibson has been bought up by fender? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040409231710.041400d8@spamarrest.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this true? maybe things will get better for the EDP but then again... Louie --- Catilyne wrote: > At 09:13 PM 4/9/2004, Damon Grossman wrote: > > >QUESTIONS: > >Is there another looping product besides EDP that > gives you independence of > >tracks and stereo? > >How can i buy two EDPS? > >How much per EDP should I expect to pay? > >Should i buy new or used? > >ebay? I just saw one go for around $630 used. > Aren't they around $1000 new? > >West La Music, a local music store? > >Direct from Gibson? > > Damon, I'm sure a lot of other people will chime in > with their thoughts, > but since it seems to have been a whole two hours > with no reply <*gasp*>, > I'll go ahead and get things kicked off. > > First, the EDP+ is listed at Musician's Fiend for > $799 even as we speak, > but from what I understand there's a supply-side > problem with actually > getting them in the stores. A quick peruse through > the archives should > fill in some of the blanks, or perhaps some of the > individuals more closely > linked to the situation will step in. It does seem > as if a lot of the > users here recommend Alto Music, however, and they > may be a good bet for an > EDP purchase once they begin coming back into the > stores. Used units on > Ebay may go for cheaper, but make certain they've > had their memory filled > up (the new units come with max memory, if I > remember correctly). Also, > you may have to pony up for a foot controller if > your don't already have one. > > Next, I must say that I agree wholeheartedly with > your philosophy regarding > stereo (these days, I mostly play synths so all my > sound sources are > stereo). With the EDP, you do have to buy two units > and brother sync them > together to achieve stereo functionality. For that > reason, I'm not an EDP > user myself. Personally, the stereo thing is the > one issue that always > blew the EDP's price-to-value ratio out of the water > for me. If I've got > to save up almost two grand to get a stereo EDP, > then I'll save for a bit > longer and get an Eventide or, better yet, a Kyma. > Anyway, end soapbox -- > as always, YMMV and there are others here who > certainly feel differently. > > Also, there is evidently an effort in the works to > port the EDP's operating > software over to the Soundarts Chameleon. While > there will be obviously be > some limitations of other sorts on that platform, at > least it'll stop > myself and various others from whingeing on about > the EDP's lack of stereo > support at a reasonable price-point. > > As for alternate options, you should start by going > through the 'Tools of > the Trade' section of the Loopers Delight website ( > http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html ). > My personal choice is > the Electrix Repeater, which is a favorite of many > others here on the list > as well. It features four independent tracks which > can be used separately > or linked into stereo pairs, as well as some nice > extras (effects loop, > ability to shift time and pitch independent of each > other, loop > storage/recall via CFC, etc.). Though discontinued, > you can still find > them on Ebay for around $800 these days. > > Some of the other options that take stereo into > account: On the upper end, > you've got the aforementioned Eventide Orville or > the Symbolic Sound Kyma, > both of which will allow you to at the very least > reconfigure the > algorithms in order to customize the box for your > task (heck, the Kyma is > actually a programmable hardware platform which can > be customized to be > just about anything you want -- effects or > otherwise). Then you've got the > old dependable Lexicon units -- like the Jamman or > the PCM-42 -- which > still perform well. And at the low end, you've got > quirkier boxes like the > Cycloops. These may not exactly be your cup of tea > or they may be exactly > what you're looking for. As I said before, YMMV. > > >Other percussion loopers unite. I am looking for > other loopers who are also > >percussionists. It seems that the majority of > members of this group are > >guitarists. > > There are a good deal of guitarists here, but there > are a lot of other > instrumentalists as well -- bass, synths, winds, > orchestral > strings.... There are also quite a few kickass > looping percussionists > hanging out here too, but I'll let them step up and > introduce themselves in > their own time. Welcome to the list; I don't think > you'll be disappointed > in the least. :) > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* > what reaches back" > > -recoil > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 08:11:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ACAQM02357; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:10:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:10:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [81.86.241.3] X-Originating-Email: [bootstick@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bootstick@hotmail.com From: "Daniel Mayfield" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My first looping performance Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:10:17 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2004 12:10:18.0056 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9D9BC80:01C41EF4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just thought I'd share with all my first looping performance last night, we were having a jam night down the local pub and I though hey if I can't experiment here then were can I? I used my RC-20 inputting violin into one track and guitar into another...Played one bum note on the guitar but overdubbed enough so it couldn't really be heard, god those wrong notes just keep coming around and around and around... Then once I had the guitars playing I layered the violins over it, people in my small town hadn't ever seen anything like it, some though I was using backing tracks! Well I got a real buzz from it and shall work on a set, looping is such fun as I'm sure all you lot know, well thankyou for letting me waffle to you all Dan _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 08:25:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ACNna03340; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:23:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:23:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:23:42 +0200 Subject: Re: names names names - was "how to announce performances" From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-10 10.28, "Matthias Grob" wrote: > >> I've been in similar situations before, when doing more commercial >> music on major label deals, but this time it happened to the music I >> care for the most. > > sounds sad really, you did not tell me that... Sorry, forgot about it ;-) With the Plastico project we did an album and a bunch of singles and videos in the mid nineties, mixed a single with the KLF engineers in London, did a five weeks PR tour to South East Asia and some rounds for Germany before we split up. I was going to show you some album prints - especially the Brazilian issue - but we had so much other fun things going on all the time when you where here in Sweden. It just slipped my mind... >> One way for musicians to stay clear from the-usual-media-fuck-up is to >> CONSTANTLY show a strong Manifesto on what they are doing. The >> shorter and stronger, the better chances that journalists will not >> mistreat the >> information. > > yes, and this keeps it superficial by itself, because no serious art > can be described short and strong. :-( Maybe making strong statements about how fragile your art is! ;-) L-O-L Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 08:58:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ACpOw07702; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:51:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:51:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-215067143 From: Dave Budde Subject: Loop station/Echoplex emulation with Emagic Logic Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 05:51:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-215067143 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hello, I'm new here. I was wondering if anyone here set up Emagic Logic to do something similar to a Boss Loop Station or a Gibson Echoplex emulation? I'd like to do some simple live looping and am wondering if anyone has figured out how to do this easily with Logic and a foot pedal controller of some sort. Is this even feasible with Logic? Seems like all the commands exist to allow this, one just needs to set up some macro commands and assign some foot controller keys to initiate them. Thanks. --Apple-Mail-1-215067143 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Verdana0000,0000,0202Hello, I'm new here. I was wondering if anyone here set up Emagic Logic to do something similar to a Boss Loop Station or a Gibson Echoplex emulation? I'd like to do some simple live looping and am wondering if anyone has figured out how to do this easily with Logic and a foot pedal controller of some sort. 0000,0000,0202Is this even feasible with Logic? Seems like all the commands exist to allow this, one just needs to set up some macro commands and assign some foot controller keys to initiate them. Thanks. --Apple-Mail-1-215067143-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 09:01:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ACnG207505; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:49:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:49:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Shaunie" To: Subject: RE: My first looping performance Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:48:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c41efa$31e22ce0$f7100044@yodaii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congrats! Hopefully I can make that move one day. And yeah, those bum notes keep coming round and round and round ... -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Mayfield [mailto:bootstick@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 8:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My first looping performance Just thought I'd share with all my first looping performance last night, we were having a jam night down the local pub and I though hey if I can't experiment here then were can I? I used my RC-20 inputting violin into one track and guitar into another...Played one bum note on the guitar but overdubbed enough so it couldn't really be heard, god those wrong notes just keep coming around and around and around... Then once I had the guitars playing I layered the violins over it, people in my small town hadn't ever seen anything like it, some though I was using backing tracks! Well I got a real buzz from it and shall work on a set, looping is such fun as I'm sure all you lot know, well thankyou for letting me waffle to you all Dan _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 10:03:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ADr9w13770; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:53:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C41F13.FE18E2E0@dyn-83-154-49-132.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: My first looping performance Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:53:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C41F13.FE18E2E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C41F13.FE18E2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable great !=20 that was a great report, it makes me feel like trying it too ! and remember : Abandon concern for hitting the right note. Then, hit the right note Francois check samples of my music on http://1000.times.free.fr -----Message d'origine----- De: Daniel Mayfield [SMTP:bootstick@hotmail.com] Date: samedi 10 avril 2004 14:10 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: My first looping performance Just thought I'd share with all my first looping performance last night, = we=20 were having a jam night down the local pub and I though hey if I can't=20 experiment here then were can I? I used my RC-20 inputting violin into = one=20 track and guitar into another...Played one bum note on the guitar but=20 overdubbed enough so it couldn't really be heard, god those wrong notes = just=20 keep coming around and around and around... Then once I had the guitars playing I layered the violins over it, = people in=20 my small town hadn't ever seen anything like it, some though I was using = backing tracks! Well I got a real buzz from it and shall work on a set, looping is such = fun=20 as I'm sure all you lot know, well thankyou for letting me waffle to you = all Dan _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today!=20 http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger =00=00 ------ =_NextPart_000_01C41F13.FE18E2E0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IigNAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAIAIAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAZQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdo dEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAFNNVFAATG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdo dC5jb20AAAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAACQAAABMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRA bG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbQADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAmAAAAJ0xvb3BlcnMt RGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tJwAAAAIBCzABAAAAKQAAAFNNVFA6TE9PUEVSUy1E RUxJR0hUQExPT1BFUlMtREVMSUdIVC5DT00AAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAB4A9l8BAAAAJAAA AExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAAIB918BAAAAZQAAAAAAAACBKx+k vqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAFNNVFAA TG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20AAAAAAwD9XwEAAAADAP9fAAAAAAIB 9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAALBhQEEgAEAIQAAAFJFOiBNeSBmaXJzdCBsb29waW5nIHBlcmZvcm1hbmNl AMkLAQWAAwAOAAAA1AcEAAoADwA1ACYABgBZAQEggAMADgAAANQHBAAKAA4AGQAxAAYARwEBCYAB ACEAAABEOTgxNkZENkYxMUVDNDExQjJGRjIyN0FDQjcxOTBGMwBNBwEDkAYAaAgAACEAAAALAAIA AQAAAAsAIwAAAAAAAwAmAAAAAAALACkAAAAAAAMALgAAAAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkAQHHXOQMfxAEe AHAAAQAAACEAAABSRTogTXkgZmlyc3QgbG9vcGluZyBwZXJmb3JtYW5jZQAAAAACAXEAAQAAABYA AAABxB8DOdfXonsDivUR2J7jREVTVAAAAAAeAB4MAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AHwwBAAAAEgAA AGZyLmxlYnJ1bkBmcmVlLmZyAAAAAwAGELx4isYDAAcQ6wMAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAEdSRUFUVEhB VFdBU0FHUkVBVFJFUE9SVCxJVE1BS0VTTUVGRUVMTElLRVRSWUlOR0lUVE9PQU5EUkVNRU1CRVI6 QUJBTkRPTkNPTkNFUk5GT1JISVRUSU5HVEhFUklHSFROT1QAAAAAAgEJEAEAAABEBQAAQAUAAC0I AABMWkZ1F1ZStgMACgByY3BnMTI1PjIA9AH3AqQD4wIAY2jBCsBzZXQwIAcTAoOHAFAC8hAJaGVs dhBwHQ3gYQKDDlAPr1RhaHsDcQKDMwNFE8oHfAKDNKETV3BycTIQqTUXq5kQD319CoAIyCA7CW8t DjA1AoAKgXYIkHdrZQuAZBeQdWMAUAsDY4sAQQtgbg4QMDM2C6fXCrEKgAnBYQVAIQrjCoAmdBAw BUB3YQQgYSCLIHQJcHAJESwgaQVAzQDAaweRB4AgZgngAyAIIGxpIzAgdHJ5xQuAZyLSdG9vIMAg FHsgFABwZCJRB4AG0ASQIGY6JUgLMHNiH1ABQHOuYSfCHtAC0TEQoGImAeUCICAFoG5jBJICEAXA fmgi4BKwJJEhUCOABRBngmgFQG5vdGUuHwDdC4BlCvMUYBJgbiLAKhE/Ko0ewwExJVknTyhSIEbe cgBwBaAEABMkMR+AK5IfI+AxkQKxKUASYGNrIE0oAG0LUAeRb2YjAHk9IwB1DdEy8AOgKwB0cMg6 Ly8nwTAuErAHgf4uA1AJ4DUBFQML8BeQJVT/MNouijYVNfYLAyQAH3AgAasDYCtQYwVALToSTQeQ 5SgAZyOAZCcFsCrgK6F/OhMlRjmkIAMLMTmkAgBpGC0yMgHAK4EyNjOHDlAM0D3DYiBEZSbQdQyS YhCQRABwCJADIE0cYXk9kBJwJiBbU01YVFA6BuArQHMSsWtaQBSQdADAAxAuBaBtfl0lRT7xIKA/ KDKBCYBpdiAfUCHQdgUQAyAB0DByNERANDofUEKGGQInXGMwJtAXgT9VTCUAcLkEkHMtPxAkACrx QAkAH0dUAQBH00IyQodPYmr7EHA/N00zQD2QEFAFQEgy/ySCR2Ep0QOBKYA7zzzaOTR7H6slSkoz cCyyCGAq8kn6JyYgcxAxI4AD8CFQIdD+bAMgMzFLD0wWI/AhsCsR+yriIsB3I4AgFFTgUZEQMHcd oCSRIeBqMpBUZDrQbz53A6AqkgkAEtADIHB1+z7wJgJJUJUSUTNABpBYUZkS0G4nBUEgI2V4R2H/ B3ECMBJRUZEqkQOgVXNZgX1RED8j4FhgM3AJgDMiUv5DPbAQkAuAV+AqNB2gBvD/C4BdUSTwM7FU 9iRQANAyYPkmAmd1IuAKwV5zAHArQNVa8S5hMFALYHlcoV7C/GJ1VnErQTOyKpJgBWIQ/VnGbxKQ CyBX8CaQJiAJ8N1Yo3MlECLhBaB1QJBZon8ggVIgM0AmkBJRCxEiwGf/BHBQkhBgIZADYCSRKzIE IL5qUGIgFCMwInApQW1V8/0DYHUmESYCah9hMSAULDL/M7FT8VhgEDBnYmL2BCALUf8kc1hgYXIJ cSqDXgQy4WQx/yLRIsBHYEdQMsBdUSDlMzF+cwDAUiEk8FcRbSFZomXvcBIQYFthAHB5IVAkgiQD /3BSZUAjcViFWGAhojNxJJFfIBQo4DJQKlNfcnMlNVf/EnADIFhgZ0AFQCHgZjJiAfx6eiOQA2Ei 0iYCUWFSIf53BbAyYCkhIeAQYSLAUubvBAAycB5AUfBmakAg5SGx31EgVnB8AFGRUhJ5CGBS0XUF QGsrMHdUwnHyEDBu/mt98inSMsAqNCNxIaABIH9w0V6RffJSESVKP8ElSl/fg2+Ef4WPhmsgFEVa UAlw9wQRffEQUWwzEFHDBaAG8N9kwARgErECIAQgLVbjCQD7bTEF4E4F0DpxCfA6sAXAXSTwZEBA INYz9XeM8C4IbXNuQjEudWsvVweBi0RPPwobIQCPwAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAAADAIAQ/////0AA BzAAsTz19h7EAUAACDAAsTz19h7EAQMAAIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABCFAAAAAAAACwAD gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAA4UAAAAAAAADABWACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABShQAA tw0AAAMAF4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAGFAAAAAAAAHgAcgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYA AAAAVIUAAAEAAAAEAAAAOC4wAAsAHYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAA6FAAAAAAAAAwAegAgg BgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEYUAAAAAAAADAB+ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAYhQAAAAAA AB4ANoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADaFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeADeACCAGAAAAAADAAAAA AAAARgAAAAA3hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA4gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAOIUAAAEAAAAB AAAAAAAAAB4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAAwANNP03AADRLg== ------ =_NextPart_000_01C41F13.FE18E2E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 10:29:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AEPdY17658; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:25:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:25:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040410142538.10209.qmail@web20411.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 07:25:38 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: E-H 16 sec DD ad in Vintage Guitar mag / ted K / DJ gear w/ guitar gear? To: loop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just a quick note: on wed i got my new "vintage guitar" mag and there was an ad for electo-harminix (sp?) gear that will be released, coming up, one thing listed for june (i think) is an updated version of the 16 sec digital delay, said it will be updated, no price listed (as usual) and they did say that it will be a "limited production" (as usual). i know a few people drool over these, and since i've seen some for sale on H-C.com for $1600 ballpark, thought i'd share... other late shares since my email time is limited: ted K: sorry to hear about "health related ailments", carrying around 16 space rack not fun. i've been experimenting w/ a "smaller loop setup of: digitech digi-delay & my rp100 (which keeps freaking out now, not fun) w/ a gemini sampler and my tascam 4-track for 20 sec tape loops. i had it working decently for one experiment, but due to the fact of mixing "DJ" RCA inputs w/ guitar 1/4" inputs i've got some "noise issues", but it worked ok. need to experiment more, but it would be a more portable rig, than carrying my 4 space rack. i'm also debating trying to put my korg kaoss pad in there to see how it works.... does anyone have any good suggestions when mixing DJ stuff w/ guitar stuff? s---- ps-i took out all "tags" hope this doesn't mess up digest people. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 11:25:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AFLX325512; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:21:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:21:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'F Lebrun'" Cc: "Looper's Delight" Subject: RE: DFX 94 Instruction Manual Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:21:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <01C41F02.E9B89400@dyn-83-154-49-132.ppp.tiscali.fr> Thread-Index: AcQe8tUjTf6UAgJeRrGlL+S5C5A6jAAHH8KA Message-Id: <20040410152113.ESFH16022.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <-1NWa.A.hOG.8DBeAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Many thanks! Gary -----Original Message----- From: F Lebrun Hi Gary, find enclosed my DFX 94 scanned instructions manual. I hope that helps best Francois check samples of my music on http://1000.times.free.fr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 11:32:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AFVE527093; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:31:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:31:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c41f11$350a7780$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040410024359.NQQE16183.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Roland Space Echo.... Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:33:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.163.184.221] at Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:31:11 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <3821-B.A.OnG.CNBeAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those receiving some money back from Uncle Sam... Roland Space Echo on ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41415&item=3716562877&rd=1 These were soooooo cool. Actually, they still are! :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 11:38:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AFZx927776; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:35:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:35:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c41f11$df5f8220$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <000f01c41e9b$31b7f4c0$6402a8c0@breakyii> <6.0.3.0.2.20040409231710.041400d8@spamarrest.com> Subject: Re: Percussionist and EDP seeker Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:38:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.184.221] at Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:35:56 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Information seems to indicate that there are no -- repeat -- NO EDP's presently available via the retail channel in the USA. The 350 units sitting in a factory in England will be sucked up instantly once they are paid for and distributed. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catilyne" To: Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 1:12 AM Subject: Re: Percussionist and EDP seeker > At 09:13 PM 4/9/2004, Damon Grossman wrote: > > >QUESTIONS: > >Is there another looping product besides EDP that gives you independence of > >tracks and stereo? > >How can i buy two EDPS? > >How much per EDP should I expect to pay? > >Should i buy new or used? > >ebay? I just saw one go for around $630 used. Aren't they around $1000 new? > >West La Music, a local music store? > >Direct from Gibson? > > Damon, I'm sure a lot of other people will chime in with their thoughts, > but since it seems to have been a whole two hours with no reply <*gasp*>, > I'll go ahead and get things kicked off. > > First, the EDP+ is listed at Musician's Fiend for $799 even as we speak, > but from what I understand there's a supply-side problem with actually > getting them in the stores. A quick peruse through the archives should > fill in some of the blanks, or perhaps some of the individuals more closely > linked to the situation will step in. It does seem as if a lot of the > users here recommend Alto Music, however, and they may be a good bet for an > EDP purchase once they begin coming back into the stores. Used units on > Ebay may go for cheaper, but make certain they've had their memory filled > up (the new units come with max memory, if I remember correctly). Also, > you may have to pony up for a foot controller if your don't already have one. > > Next, I must say that I agree wholeheartedly with your philosophy regarding > stereo (these days, I mostly play synths so all my sound sources are > stereo). With the EDP, you do have to buy two units and brother sync them > together to achieve stereo functionality. For that reason, I'm not an EDP > user myself. Personally, the stereo thing is the one issue that always > blew the EDP's price-to-value ratio out of the water for me. If I've got > to save up almost two grand to get a stereo EDP, then I'll save for a bit > longer and get an Eventide or, better yet, a Kyma. Anyway, end soapbox -- > as always, YMMV and there are others here who certainly feel differently. > > Also, there is evidently an effort in the works to port the EDP's operating > software over to the Soundarts Chameleon. While there will be obviously be > some limitations of other sorts on that platform, at least it'll stop > myself and various others from whingeing on about the EDP's lack of stereo > support at a reasonable price-point. > > As for alternate options, you should start by going through the 'Tools of > the Trade' section of the Loopers Delight website ( > http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html ). My personal choice is > the Electrix Repeater, which is a favorite of many others here on the list > as well. It features four independent tracks which can be used separately > or linked into stereo pairs, as well as some nice extras (effects loop, > ability to shift time and pitch independent of each other, loop > storage/recall via CFC, etc.). Though discontinued, you can still find > them on Ebay for around $800 these days. > > Some of the other options that take stereo into account: On the upper end, > you've got the aforementioned Eventide Orville or the Symbolic Sound Kyma, > both of which will allow you to at the very least reconfigure the > algorithms in order to customize the box for your task (heck, the Kyma is > actually a programmable hardware platform which can be customized to be > just about anything you want -- effects or otherwise). Then you've got the > old dependable Lexicon units -- like the Jamman or the PCM-42 -- which > still perform well. And at the low end, you've got quirkier boxes like the > Cycloops. These may not exactly be your cup of tea or they may be exactly > what you're looking for. As I said before, YMMV. > > >Other percussion loopers unite. I am looking for other loopers who are also > >percussionists. It seems that the majority of members of this group are > >guitarists. > > There are a good deal of guitarists here, but there are a lot of other > instrumentalists as well -- bass, synths, winds, orchestral > strings.... There are also quite a few kickass looping percussionists > hanging out here too, but I'll let them step up and introduce themselves in > their own time. Welcome to the list; I don't think you'll be disappointed > in the least. :) > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 11:45:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AFhRC28770; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:43:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:43:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c41f12$ea9dd0a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: My first looping performance Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:45:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.184.221] at Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:43:25 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dan - Cool! Congratulations!!! Can I suggest that you try recording the loop-based music you're creating at this moment? You may never want to "show it around," which is totally fine, but my experience is that first entries into new things yield many really creative ideas. Later we get better at a few of them, and forget a few others.... In a way they are like baby pictures. They can be embarrassing, but they are cute and remind us where we came from. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Mayfield" To: Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: My first looping performance > > > Just thought I'd share with all my first looping performance last night, we > were having a jam night down the local pub and I though hey if I can't > experiment here then were can I? I used my RC-20 inputting violin into one > track and guitar into another...Played one bum note on the guitar but > overdubbed enough so it couldn't really be heard, god those wrong notes just > keep coming around and around and around... > Then once I had the guitars playing I layered the violins over it, people in > my small town hadn't ever seen anything like it, some though I was using > backing tracks! > Well I got a real buzz from it and shall work on a set, looping is such fun > as I'm sure all you lot know, well thankyou for letting me waffle to you all > > Dan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 11:50:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AFbt828005; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:37:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:37:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: My first looping performance Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:37:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQe9XFOJoYf/2HjTEuZ+Tj4JqiQ3wAGr2wQ Message-Id: <20040410153740.EEPX15011.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ---->Congrats on making the plunge, it get easier . . . Performance requires a certain detachment from the gear--the RC-20 makes it easier in some ways, harder in others (no feedback, no undo--that coulda helped). As far as backing track, here's what I think--these ARE BACKING TRACKS, albeit extra material generated spontaneously. It's infintely interesting to the player since it echoes the moment, our task is to make it so for the listener. Now, there are some for whom the delay looping is not a "bed"--Andre La Fosse comes to mind--I'm sure you've heard of him, he was nice enough to email me back saying give a holler next time I'm in the greater LA area, and I told him to let me know about his LA appearances--but I imagine 9 out of 10 loopers are accumulating that time lag to solo over. Opinions? Gary -----Original Message----- Daniel Mayfield wrote: Just thought I'd share with all my first looping performance last night, we were having a jam night down the local pub and I though hey if I can't experiment here then were can I? I used my RC-20 inputting violin into one track and guitar into another...Played one bum note on the guitar but overdubbed enough so it couldn't really be heard, god those wrong notes just keep coming around and around and around... Then once I had the guitars playing I layered the violins over it, people in my small town hadn't ever seen anything like it, some though I was using backing tracks! Well I got a real buzz from it and shall work on a set, looping is such fun as I'm sure all you lot know, well thankyou for letting me waffle to you all Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 12:46:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AGjXE05211; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:45:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:45:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:45:26 +0200 Subject: Re: Loop station/Echoplex emulation with Emagic Logic From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-10 14.51, "Dave Budde" wrote: > Hello, I'm new here. I was wondering if anyone here set up Emagic > Logic to do something similar to a Boss Loop Station or a Gibson > Echoplex emulation? I'd like to do some simple live looping and am > wondering if anyone has figured out how to do this easily with Logic > and a foot pedal controller of some sort. > > Is this even feasible with Logic? Seems like all the commands exist to > allow this, one just needs to set up some macro commands and assign > some foot controller keys to initiate them. I don't think it's possible. The closest to audio layering you would come in Logic is to set up "cycle recording" with "auto create new track in cycle record" (or whatever this setting is called in the Logic pref's). Most of the cool looping functions are not available for external midi control in Logic; like reverse audio file, multiply etc etc. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 13:01:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AGjbc05249; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:45:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:45:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:01:28 -0700 Subject: Re: My first looping performance From: Are-Jay Hoffmann To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7BxdUB.A.4RB.wSCeAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 4/10/04 5:10 AM, Daniel Mayfield at bootstick@hotmail.com wrote: > > > Just thought I'd share with all my first looping performance last night, we > were having a jam night down the local pub and I though hey if I can't > experiment here then were can I? I used my RC-20 inputting violin into one > track and guitar into another...Played one bum note on the guitar but > overdubbed enough so it couldn't really be heard, god those wrong notes just > keep coming around and around and around... > Then once I had the guitars playing I layered the violins over it, people in > my small town hadn't ever seen anything like it, some though I was using > backing tracks! > Well I got a real buzz from it and shall work on a set, looping is such fun > as I'm sure all you lot know, well thankyou for letting me waffle to you all > > Dan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > well, welcome to the fam! every single looper has his or her own absolute original idea to keep the looping creativity alive. (and keep the rest of us saying "why didnt i think of that") have fun finding yours! are-jay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 13:15:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AHATS08823; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:10:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:10:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dave Budde Subject: Re: Loop station/Echoplex emulation with Emagic Logic Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:10:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <0EoFxB.A.wJC.FqCeAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per, Thanks very much for responding. Let me clarify. I'm really looking for just some simple looping and overdubbing capability in a live performance situation. I don't really need all the complexities of the Echoplex. It seems to me that Logic has all the tools to do this (I can do it manually using the keyboard and Logic commands). But this doesn't work in a live situation (it needs to be automatic and activated from midi foot-switches). It requires some mechanism to allow one to generate macro command set to effect a given function. For instance, if you press one foot-switch then this could initiate a set of Logic commands to set the cycle begin point, begin cycle mode recording and with auto-create new track in cycle record as you suggest. Press a second foot-switch (to end the loop) would set the loop endpoint and go to cycle begin for instance. Pressing a third switch could enable an overdub function. Pressing a fourth switch could reset the track(s) to some initial state. This is all I'd need. So my question really is: has anyone done something like this already, so I don't have to reinvent the wheel. Also, how does one do macro key commands initiated from a midi foot-switch? Quickeys can do this from keyboard commands for instance, but cannot do it from a midi device. On Apr 10, 2004, at 9:45 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 04-04-10 14.51, "Dave Budde" wrote: > >> Hello, I'm new here. I was wondering if anyone here set up Emagic >> Logic to do something similar to a Boss Loop Station or a Gibson >> Echoplex emulation? I'd like to do some simple live looping and am >> wondering if anyone has figured out how to do this easily with Logic >> and a foot pedal controller of some sort. >> >> Is this even feasible with Logic? Seems like all the commands exist to >> allow this, one just needs to set up some macro commands and assign >> some foot controller keys to initiate them. > > > I don't think it's possible. The closest to audio layering you would > come in > Logic is to set up "cycle recording" with "auto create new track in > cycle > record" (or whatever this setting is called in the Logic pref's). Most > of > the cool looping functions are not available for external midi control > in > Logic; like reverse audio file, multiply etc etc. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > -- > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 13:16:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AHDLj09183; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:13:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:13:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1c2.17774c7b.2da98528@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:13:12 EDT Subject: Re: Percussionist and EDP seeker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c2.17774c7b.2da98528_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c2.17774c7b.2da98528_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/9/04 10:15:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, damongrossman@comcast.net writes: > At the very least the Boomerang the rang has 2 seperate tracs but they can not be played at the same time and the rang is a mono looper but it has a main and an aux output that can be sent to two different places.....hope this helps.....michael --part1_1c2.17774c7b.2da98528_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/9/04 10:15:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, damongrossman@comcast.= net writes:


At the very least the Boomerang=


the rang has 2 seperate tracs but they can not be played at the same time an= d the rang is a mono looper but it has a main and an aux output that can be=20= sent to two different places.....hope this helps.....michael --part1_1c2.17774c7b.2da98528_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 13:18:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AHEUX09362; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:14:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:14:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.179.17] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: E-H 16 sec DD ad in Vintage Guitar mag / ted K / DJ gear w/ guitar gear? Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:14:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2004 17:14:21.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[43D498F0:01C41F1F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >does anyone have any good suggestions when mixing DJ >stuff w/ guitar stuff? >s---- not sure if this is what you mean, but I found that if you buy proper cables with a 1/4" jack at one end for the guitar end and a RCA or Phono or whatever you wanna call it at the other for the dj equipment, it seems a lot less noisey then when i hooked up using addapters and regular guitar leads. also you have to think line level Vs guitar input noise can sometimes be corrected by boosting the signal so it is loud and clear before it goes into the DJ FX so you dont have to run that effect flat out just to sustain the volume. just my opinions and observations from my own gear. try different layouts till you get one your happy with i guess.. Phill _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 13:23:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AHIf310142; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:18:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:18:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <132.2cf7bdb4.2da98664@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:18:28 EDT Subject: Re: Andre goes away from the old list--and I doubt that we can all just get a... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_132.2cf7bdb4.2da98664_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_132.2cf7bdb4.2da98664_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/10/04 4:16:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, biffoz@arczip.com writes: > So was it my alter-ego or actually someone entirely different? mnm.....someone entirely different.....i hope!.....mnm --part1_132.2cf7bdb4.2da98664_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/10/04 4:16:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, biffoz@arczip.com writ= es:


So was it my alter-ego or actua= lly someone entirely different?


mnm.....someone entirely different.....i hope!.....mnm --part1_132.2cf7bdb4.2da98664_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 14:29:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AIRmf20243; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:27:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:27:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: My first looping performance Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:27:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQfG8TT4g3QTkBLSY2m1roaGtHcSQADMX9A Message-Id: <20040410182742.HBTJ15918.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are-Jay Hoffmann [mailto:fretless808@earthlink.net] wrote: well, welcome to the fam! every single looper has his or her own absolute original idea to keep the looping creativity alive. (and keep the rest of us saying "why didnt i think of that") have fun finding yours! Worthy of note: Are Jay is also a guitar (bass) player and violinist using a RC-20. Gary PS Took the battery powered pedals up to the local shopping center and played for one long set and one short one (bought detergent in between) and got two count 'em two positive responses and lots of looks from those inquiring minds who "want to know". Unarrested so it was an unqualified success! Used an Anchor Audio Mini-Vox for amplification--uses 9 "C" cells, pretty midrange sound, but perfect for busking. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 14:33:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AIV0920755; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:31:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:31:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: My first looping performance Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:29:48 -0600 Message-ID: <001e01c41f29$cec78940$6401a8c0@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Awesome! My first looping performance involved forgetting half of everything I wanted to prep, losing all track of my set time, and accidentally turning on the metronome on my Repeater, LOUD, to 'close out' my set. So ... you didn't bad at all! ;-P -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Mayfield [mailto:bootstick@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 6:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My first looping performance Just thought I'd share with all my first looping performance last night, we were having a jam night down the local pub and I though hey if I can't experiment here then were can I? I used my RC-20 inputting violin into one track and guitar into another...Played one bum note on the guitar but overdubbed enough so it couldn't really be heard, god those wrong notes just keep coming around and around and around... Then once I had the guitars playing I layered the violins over it, people in my small town hadn't ever seen anything like it, some though I was using backing tracks! Well I got a real buzz from it and shall work on a set, looping is such fun as I'm sure all you lot know, well thankyou for letting me waffle to you all Dan _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 15:05:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AJ3mY24896; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:03:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:03:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.179.17] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DJ FX with regular guitar equipment Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:03:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2004 19:03:42.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A6BBE10:01C41F2E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your original message is shown below: > > > >does anyone have any good suggestions when mixing DJ > >stuff w/ guitar stuff? > >s---- > >not sure if this is what you mean, but I found that if you buy proper >cables with a 1/4" jack at one end for the guitar end and a RCA or Phono or >whatever you wanna call it at the other for the dj equipment, it seems a >lot less noisey then when i hooked up using addapters and regular guitar >leads. > >also you have to think line level Vs guitar input noise can sometimes be >corrected by boosting the signal so it is loud and clear before it goes >into the DJ FX so you dont have to run that effect flat out just to sustain >the volume. > >just my opinions and observations from my own gear. try different layouts >till you get one your happy with i guess.. > >Phill > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 16:38:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AKPVw01401; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:25:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c41f39$f8a5d130$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Great monitoring solution for live looping Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:20:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com .............can't remember whether I posted this already or not, but I went into Radio Shack to buy a cheap assed pair of open ear headphones for $20 for my live monitoring off of my mixing board and they didnt' have anything but wireless headphones. I looked at several and took a chance on a pair that had the highest listed fidelity (30hz to 20khz) that were on sale for about $73 (catalogue number 33-1196). I took them to my gig and was just blown away by the sound. Perfect fidelity; plenty of volume, a fairly low physical profile so they don't look to nerdy (imho) and I had total freedom to roam around my collection of found and invented and conventional instruments. Best yet: NO FEEDBACK!!!!! They also allowed enough sound in from the external environment for me to hear other musicians not going through the board. I'm so stoked!!! I don't know why I didn't try this solution before. They are made pretty cheaply so I'm going to have to be careful, but I just wanted to let everyone know who uses headphones or has feedback problems. check it out...........Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 16:46:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AKgam03370; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:42:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:42:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: Boomerang Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:42:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C41F01.AC20B6F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1c2.17774c7b.2da98528@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <2CbB7D.A.h0.7wFeAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C41F01.AC20B6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit regarding the rang you said: the rang has 2 seperate tracs but they can not be played at the same time and the rang is a mono looper but it has a main and an aux output that can be sent to two different places..... what is the point of sending it to two different places if the two tracks can't be played at the same time. damon -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussionist and EDP seeker In a message dated 4/9/04 10:15:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, damongrossman@comcast.net writes: At the very least the Boomerang the rang has 2 seperate tracs but they can not be played at the same time and the rang is a mono looper but it has a main and an aux output that can be sent to two different places.....hope this helps.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C41F01.AC20B6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
regarding the rang you = said:
 
the = rang has 2=20 seperate tracs but they can not be played at the same time and the rang = is a=20 mono looper but it has a main and an aux output that can be sent to two=20 different places.....
 
what=20 is the point of sending it to two different places if the two tracks = can't be=20 played at the same time.
 
damon
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From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 = 10:13=20 AM
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In a message dated = 4/9/04=20 10:15:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, damongrossman@comcast.net=20 writes:


At the very least the Boomerang


the = rang has=20 2 seperate tracs but they can not be played at the same time and the = rang is a=20 mono looper but it has a main and an aux output that can be sent to = two=20 different places.....hope this helps.....michael=20
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C41F01.AC20B6F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 16:53:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AKjO103793; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:45:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:45:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: RE: Great monitoring solution for live looping Wireless headphones Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:45:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000501c41f39$f8a5d130$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <30Jk_B.A.I7.kzFeAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am glad that those Radio Shack Wireless phones work for you. I have thought about buying wireless phones for years for my set up but radio shack's phones that I used to have gave a low hum. Does anyone know who else makes a high quality pair of wireless phones? -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:21 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Great monitoring solution for live looping .............can't remember whether I posted this already or not, but I went into Radio Shack to buy a cheap assed pair of open ear headphones for $20 for my live monitoring off of my mixing board and they didnt' have anything but wireless headphones. I looked at several and took a chance on a pair that had the highest listed fidelity (30hz to 20khz) that were on sale for about $73 (catalogue number 33-1196). I took them to my gig and was just blown away by the sound. Perfect fidelity; plenty of volume, a fairly low physical profile so they don't look to nerdy (imho) and I had total freedom to roam around my collection of found and invented and conventional instruments. Best yet: NO FEEDBACK!!!!! They also allowed enough sound in from the external environment for me to hear other musicians not going through the board. I'm so stoked!!! I don't know why I didn't try this solution before. They are made pretty cheaply so I'm going to have to be careful, but I just wanted to let everyone know who uses headphones or has feedback problems. check it out...........Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 17:15:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AL8Xm06806; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:08:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:08:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C41F50.D1FED4C0@dyn-83-152-97-64.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Boomerang Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:09:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C41F50.D207FC80" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C41F50.D207FC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, on the Rang you can have 2 separate loops A and B. loop A can be used say for a verse, loop B can be used for a chorus; the Rang has a foot switch named A/B which controls how the loops are played/chained; this can be configured in 3 different ways. you can download the Rang' documentation where this is all explained here : http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ at any time there is only one loop playing, A or B; the Main Out can be used to connect the Rang to an amp or a mixer, the Aux Out can be used to connect the Rang to a recorder to backup your = loops; Whichever loop is playing (A or B), it goes at the same time to both = outputs Main and Aux. Hope that helps Francois check samples of my music on http://1000.times.free.fr -----Message d'origine----- De: Damon Grossman [SMTP:damongrossman@comcast.net] Date: samedi 10 avril 2004 22:43 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Boomerang regarding the rang you said: the rang has 2 seperate tracs but they can not be played at the same = time and the rang is a mono looper but it has a main and an aux output that = can be sent to two different places..... what is the point of sending it to two different places if the two = tracks can't be played at the same time. damon -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussionist and EDP seeker In a message dated 4/9/04 10:15:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, damongrossman@comcast.net writes: At the very least the Boomerang the rang has 2 seperate tracs but they can not be played at the same = time and the 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AABGAAAAAFSFAAABAAAABAAAADguMAALAB2ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAOhQAAAAAAAAMA HoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABGFAAAAAAAAAwAfgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAGIUA AAAAAAAeADaACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA2hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA3gAggBgAAAAAA wAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAN4UAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AOIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADiFAAAB AAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAAMADTT9NwAAoVc= ------ =_NextPart_000_01C41F50.D207FC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 17:27:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ALO8b08919; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:24:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:24:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:24:01 +0200 Subject: Re: Public music beta testing - preview of upcoming CD release From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040205_124822_035508.kekemarcel@ig.com.br> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3ALO7o08898 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Marcel, I'm sorry that I forgot to answer this mail of yours. Just found it today when checking out my old "tagged for action" e-mails. Here are some places on the net: http://www.boysen.se/nodenrecordings/ Work-under-progress for an album project due for release this summer. The releasing label is not a record label, they are in the CEO education business. The guy providing spoken word is David Cowley, a Brittish economist. These mp3 files are not official, I just put them there as a way for Cowley and the label guys to follow my work. http://www.looproom.com/p2p/ The live looping improvisation mentioned below. We're hoping to get this out on CD sooner or later. Need some cash to go indie with it, so it might have to wait for a while. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com On 04-02-05 13.48, "kekemarcel@ig.com.br" wrote: > Hi, this is Marcel (a new looper from Brazil). Hey, Per, where can I hear > your work (last year I remember I listened some of your stuff and reaaaaally > liked it much!). Thanks! > Marcel > Em 04 Feb 2004, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com escreveu: > >> Per Boysen wrote: >> >> I would like to invite anyone interested in ambient live > electronica/looping >> to listen to the upcoming CD with per2per. When we played at a festival > this >> summer they recorded us to DAT. We are quite happy with the recording and >> plan to release it on CD. But we really don't know how to market the beast >> since it is 55:56 long. If it's not "a single album" it might be "an album >> single".... or what? And is there a relevant "musical style" to file it >> under? We're open for suggestions. >> >> Hi Per, >> >> I have 56k dialup and no time for downloading so I can't comment on >> your song. But in your first sentence, you called it ambient so why >> are you looking for a style name? Marketing a CD is the hardest part >> of being a musician if you're marketing it yourself. Or you could shop >> it to record labels. Have you tried Groove, Hypnos, Space for Music, >> or any of the others? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bill Fox >> >> ---------- > > _________________________________________________________ > Voce quer um iGMail protegido contra vírus e spams? > Clique aqui: http://www.igmailseguro.ig.com.br > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 17:30:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ALR9J09679; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:27:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:27:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c901c41f42$95522df0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Roland Space Echo and Loopers Delight Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:27:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C41F07.E8DB8830" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C41F07.E8DB8830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, David's post about the Roland Space Echo for sale really took me = back and filled my head with memories of things=20 I haven't thought about in a long time. I remember disengaging the erase heads on my Roland Chorus Echo (which I = just sold this year to a Dub artist who wanted the 'real' deal for live dubbing) so that I = could get my first loops to repeat infinitely. This was in 1980. I was inspired by Michael Haumesser, who had done the same = thing to his tube Echoplex in our band, Tao Chemical ( a theatrical new wave band) Our first 'looping' gig (not to be repeated for another decade) was on a = bill with list member Dr. Richard Zvonar and Bob Beede ( an electronic mentor of mine). Booked as Tao Electrical, Michael, Jim Rutledge (the bassist of Tao = Chemical) and I all recorded the last piece of our set into our respective = 'loopers' and then: one by one, walked off the stage and left the loops to play by themselves. The loops were very long and dreamy = and completely out of sync. To this day, I love multiple loops that are = out of sync with each other........causing different rhythms and = harmonies to emerge randomly. I honestly hadn't heard of the whole San Francisco tape center at = the time and though I had=20 listened to Terry Riley, I had no idea that he had done a lot of seminal = experimenting with looping. I thought we were making history at the = time..............................LOL!!!!! How silly and = narcissistic we can be at times, eh? Well, reading about the Space Echo really brought up some heady = memories of that exciting and creative time and really made me smile. Despite the ups and downs and the controversies we find ourselves in = here at Loopers Delight (and in the general looping community) I = really love this scene. It doesn't even matter to me that it is = undefinable. It has stimulated me, taught me and inspired me. I love = it and am grateful I found this place to hang out. Thanks, Kim. I'm really looking forward to travelling to Los Ossos in a couple of = weeks and playing at Loopstock. Thanks, Hans. yours, Rick Walker ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C41F07.E8DB8830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow, David's post about the Roland Space Echo = for sale=20 really took me back and filled my head with memories of things =
I haven't thought about in a long = time.
 
I remember disengaging the erase heads on my = Roland Chorus=20 Echo (which I just sold this year to
a Dub artist who wanted the 'real' deal for live = dubbing)=20 so that I could get my first loops to repeat infinitely.  This=20 was
in 1980.  I was inspired by Michael = Haumesser, who=20 had done the same thing to his tube Echoplex in our
band, Tao Chemical ( a theatrical new wave=20 band)
 
Our first 'looping' gig (not to be repeated for = another=20 decade) was on a bill with list member Dr. Richard Zvonar
and Bob Beede ( an electronic mentor of=20 mine).
 
Booked as Tao Electrical,  Michael, Jim = Rutledge (the=20 bassist of  Tao Chemical)
and I all recorded the last piece of our set = into our=20 respective 'loopers' and then: one by one,  walked off the stage = and=20 left
the loops to play by themselves.   The = loops=20 were very long and dreamy and completely out of sync.  To this day, = I love=20 multiple loops that are out of sync with each other........causing = different=20 rhythms and harmonies to emerge randomly.
 
     I honestly hadn't heard = of the=20 whole San Francisco tape center at the time and though I had =
listened to Terry Riley, I had no idea that he = had done a=20 lot of seminal experimenting with looping.
 
I thought we were making history at the=20 time..............................LOL!!!!!     &= nbsp;=20 How silly and narcissistic we can be at times, eh?
 
Well,  reading about the Space Echo really = brought up=20 some heady memories of that exciting and creative time and really made=20 me
smile.
 
Despite the ups and downs and the controversies = we find=20 ourselves in here at Loopers Delight (and in the general looping=20 community)   I really love this scene.   It doesn't = even=20 matter to me that it is undefinable.  It has stimulated me, = taught me=20 and inspired me.   I love it and am grateful I found this = place to hang out. Thanks, Kim.
 
 I'm really looking forward to travelling = to Los=20 Ossos in a couple of weeks and playing at Loopstock. Thanks, Hans.
 
 
yours,  Rick Walker
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C41F07.E8DB8830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 17:30:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ALImF08180; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:18:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:18:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1081631925.407864b5db6aa@imp1-q.free.fr> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:18:45 +0200 From: justforloops@free.fr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: pitch shifters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <4v0RuD.A.u_B.3SGeAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello, I have seen some of you mention "pitch shifters" in their rig . would you users please mention some brands/models I could look for and/or try; I am looking for something I could use to shift (transpose up or down ...) my loops while they are playing, preferably foot controlled; I used to play with synths where the keyboard could be used to transpose a sequence while it was being played; so having a sequence/loop being played, pressing the E key on the keyboard would on the fly transpose the sequence up 5 half tones; releasing it would let the loop come back to its original pitch. Is there such thing somewhere ? Thanks in advance for your help JFL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 18:12:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AM0C213635; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:00:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:00:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008601c41f48$0f15a680$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Karmafarm with NODEform Visuals Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:06:22 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <9Jk7l.A.8UD.s5GeAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Tuesday April 13th - Karmafarm with NODEform Visuals Returning from Hamilton, Steven Sauve celebrates the release of the first CD from his Karmafarm ambient-systems project with a solo electronic performance. He'll be creating his soundscapes on Nord Modular Virtual Synth Systems, loopers and other synthesizers and each set will feature pieces from the CD. Calvin B. Grant's NODEform Visuals will provide the computer visuals & staging. http://www.karmafarm.ca Between Sets CD - "November" by Robert Fripp (DGM) Music from Fripp's "Soundscape" series of solo live recordings. This CD was culled from a November 1996 improv performance on guitar & guitar synth. http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Aplying this idea musically, the collected artists have used unfinished tracks, ideas, snippets and snatches of other work to create something new, vital and different. So let's see what's on the menu, shall we? "Amalgam" by Ben Swire opens the disc with a lush sense of environment, a song rich with beautiful pads and flavourful percussion fills that slip in and out of the piece with a charming flair. Saul Stokes adds "Cyclops Afternoon" to the pot, a slowly building track that bubbles and boils with small melodies and lovely arpegiated bits ultimately blending together into a rich sauce-y piece. Forrest Fang brings "Filling the Bowl" to the table, a song that in my mind pays homage to the pottery and accessories that are so often taken for granted in any meal, but play such an important part in the eating process. Rhythmic work percolates throughout while steady drones brew underneath. A very satisfying piece that leaves me wanting more... Foundry head Michael Bentley offers "The Twilight pageant of the Bibimbots" a track staying true to his space music roots bringing together a variety of exotic ingredients. Delicate strains from distant stars bring a certain je ne sais quoi to the mixture while low deep tones unearthed from the spice mines of Arrakis provide a bass drone around which all else flows. A flavourful and rich meal indeed. Earwicker presents "Entree", ladelling out swirling and undulating tones that rise and vanish like steam in the air. Other tones bubble underneath, a rich stew of sounds and expressions wonderfully blended together to create a very pleasant mixture. Chris de Giere's "Kimchi Tastes of Summer" is one of my favorite dishes, er, songs on this disc, with a selection of robotic burbles and squeeks tossed lightly with a base of rising and falling organic tones that underscore the metallic nature of the mix. Very nice indeed. "Muse of Expiration" by Thermal simmers with analog sounds oscilating wildly throughout, a full course of sounds ranging from beautiful light to harsh realms of noise. Very rich in substance and wholly satisfying. Dean Santomieri closes the disc with "Their Hearts Burst the Bars, But Their Necks Broke Against the Glass", a tiny amuse bouche offering a bevy of flavours and sounds that ends almost as quickly as it begins. A delightful end to a delightful meal... As always, Foundry brings together a wonderful collection of artists all of whom offer something unique and new to this very interesting compilation. A wonderful sampling of the artists on the label. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com ping things' newly expanded "features" section currently includes an exclusive interview with Arms Full Of Sound (Paul Needler), a spotlight on the works of eclectic and prolific artist and a review of "Seed" by James Johnson & Ma Ja Le. http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 18:20:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3AMDYu15592; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:13:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:13:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c901c41f42$95522df0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00c901c41f42$95522df0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:13:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Roland Space Echo and Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1130487283==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1130487283==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:27 PM -0700 4/10/04, loop.pool wrote: >Our first 'looping' gig (not to be repeated for another decade) was >on a bill with list member Dr. Richard Zvonar >and Bob Beede ( an electronic mentor of mine). > I honestly hadn't heard of the whole San Francisco tape center >at the time and though I had >listened to Terry Riley, I had no idea that he had done a lot of >seminal experimenting with looping. Bob and I were performing with tape delays at Cabrillo College during 1975-77. We'd usually thread the tape between two TASCAM 4-tracks and sometimes we'll feed each playback channel to its own speaker in a quad system. We were both familiar with Terry Riley's and Pauline Oliveros's use of delays and were consciously taking off from their work. The terms "minimal music" or "minimalism were not in our vocabulary. We preferred "pattern music." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1130487283==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Roland Space Echo and Loopers Delight
At 2:27 PM -0700 4/10/04, loop.pool wrote:

Our first 'looping' gig (not to be repeated for another decade) was on a bill with list member Dr. Richard Zvonar
and Bob Beede ( an electronic mentor of mine).

     I honestly hadn't heard of the whole San Francisco tape center at the time and though I had
listened to Terry Riley, I had no idea that he had done a lot of seminal experimenting with looping.

Bob and I were performing with tape delays at Cabrillo College during 1975-77. We'd usually thread the tape between two TASCAM 4-tracks and sometimes we'll feed each playback channel to its own speaker in a quad system.

We were both familiar with Terry Riley's and Pauline Oliveros's use of delays and were consciously taking off from their work.

The terms "minimal music" or "minimalism were not in our vocabulary. We preferred "pattern music."
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(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1130487283==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 20:00:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ANxEW29285; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:59:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:59:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040410235934.12366.qmail@hostserver150.com> Reply-To: "The EH Man" From: "The EH Man" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EH 16 Second Delay reissue IS HAPPENING!! Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:59:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bae8e4bbfbbbba7b0794fbaf6512de9f6" X-Mailer: WebMail 2.3 X-Originating-IP: 216.36.87.193 X-Originating-Email: theehman@ronsound.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --_bae8e4bbfbbbba7b0794fbaf6512de9f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Guys, I just joined this list to tell you that EH is going to reissue the 16 Second Digital Delay this July. I will be offering this looping machine for the low price of $399 plus shipping. The initial run will be limited to 1000 pieces so you need to reserve yours today! You can go to http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com to place an advance deposit for your own Delay. This is the only time I will post this and I was very iffy about it because I didn't want to be seen as a spammer. In the past, members have asked me about the possibility of a reissue. Now that it's going to be a reality, I knew the members of this group would want to know. Thanks for your understanding. Ron Neely II The EH Man, All-Knowing Guru of Electro-Harmonix Electro-Harmonix info: http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com Home of RonSound effects: http://www.ronsound.com fx schematics and repairs --_bae8e4bbfbbbba7b0794fbaf6512de9f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Guys, I just joined this list to tell you that EH is going to reissue the 16 Second Digital Delay this July. I will be offering this looping machine for the low price of $399 plus shipping. The initial run will be limited to 1000 pieces so you need to reserve yours today! You can go to http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com to place an advance deposit for your own Delay.

This is the only time I will post this and I was very iffy about it because I didn't want to be seen as a spammer. In the past, members have asked me about the possibility of a reissue. Now that it's going to be a reality, I knew the members of this group would want to know. Thanks for your understanding.

Ron Neely II
The EH Man, All-Knowing Guru of Electro-Harmonix
Electro-Harmonix info: http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com
Home of RonSound effects: http://www.ronsound.com
fx schematics and repairs

--_bae8e4bbfbbbba7b0794fbaf6512de9f6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 22:13:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3B20bu12444; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:00:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:00:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200404101718.i3AHIa710064@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200404101718.i3AHIa710064@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <05CBB3D9-8B5C-11D8-A3A2-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: RE: My first looping performance Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:00:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <4fpWID.A.UCD.FbKeAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A lot of the time, sure. On the other hand I've got pieces that I call "Lego" tunes which are built up mostly in overdub mode, varying the levels of feedback over the course of the piece (usually around 10 or 15 minutes). My big wish for future EDP software is a "tapped looper" mode, where you can set the number of repeats exactly, and be able to set the feedback level for each tap (usually two or three). What I'd like is to have two or three repeats at close to 100% of the live instrument level so I can do canon/fugue type things (I can never remember the difference between the two concepts). TravisH On Apr 10, 2004, at 10:18 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Now, there are some for whom the delay looping is not a "bed"--Andre La > Fosse comes to mind--I'm sure you've heard of him, he was nice enough > to > email me back saying give a holler next time I'm in the greater LA > area, and > I told him to let me know about his LA appearances--but I imagine 9 > out of > 10 loopers are accumulating that time lag to solo over. Opinions? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 10 23:05:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3B2xMT18751; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:59:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:59:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:46:10 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Simple loop-based meditation for children To: Damon Grossman , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b401c41f71$0ac71040$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Douglas: > > You kept the tempo in your mind and watched the LED. What was the reason > that you did that? Seems like it would have been easier to wait till the > meditation was to begin and then start. Wouldn't you be in danger of losing > tempo? Thanks for your inquiry. The Headrush LED flashes only once per loop/delay (no subdivisions thereof, and no clicks or other subdivisional cues). In my instance, I was prepared to play a pattern that lasted 16 beats, one beat per second, for a total delay length of 16 seconds. The musical pattern consisted of clearly defined note attacks, initially of half- and quarter-note values. One LED flash every 16 seconds is pretty tough to just start into and subdivide into 16 one-second beats by feel, and I did NOT want a loud footswitch click after 16 beats into the meditation, nor did I want any unintentional speeding-up to occur in that 16-beat cycle, so I was not about to just begin playing and define the loop/delay length in one 16-beat cycle. And to set the mood and minimize attention to myself, I wanted no playing or audio of any kind in the fifteen minutes or so prior to the meditation proper. During this 15 minute interval, my wife was talking with the class of children about their personal anxieties, how those anxieties feel in their bodies, and how they can create a safe internal space to deal with those anxieties. I wished to sit quietly as she gave this talk. Just before her talk began, I repetitively "audio-ized" the music in my mind, then tapped the "length" footswitch to create one complete cycle of the sixteen-beat pattern. My guitar was in tune and the volume was set to zero. My "meditation," as it were, was to watch the LED flashing once every 16 seconds, and hold within myself the 60 beat-per-second tempo, continually fine-tuning the feel of my internal rhythm to match the LED flashes. I was repetitively counting "ONE-two-three-four, Two-two-three-four, Three-two-three-four, Four-two-three-four," being sure that the next ONE I counted in my mind would be in sync with the flash of the LED. When the meditation proper began, I was totally settled into the groove, able to play the canonic music in strict tempo without any other external reference. Again, thanks for the inquiry. I hadn't verbalized this process before, and now I have. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 01:09:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3B52Bu32527; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:02:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:02:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <110.307f8836.2daa2b49@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:02:01 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_110.307f8836.2daa2b49_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_110.307f8836.2daa2b49_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/10/04 4:44:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, damongrossman@comcast.net writes: > what is the point of sending it to two different places if the two tracks > can't be played at the same time. > place #1.....clean place #2.....an octave above and detuned and any number of variations when a single signal goes to two different places.....think of that as loop A.....now hit loop B and send that to two different places.....now think of these two places as being either stereo or mono.....back and forth, back and forth.....it's a little bit-o-heaven.....but i'm simple.....:).....michael --part1_110.307f8836.2daa2b49_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/10/04 4:44:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, damongrossman@comcast.= net writes:


what is the point of sending i= t to two different places if the two tracks can't be played at the same time= .


place #1.....clean
place #2.....an octave above and detuned
and any number of variations when a single signal goes to two different plac= es.....think of that as loop A.....now hit loop B and send that to two diffe= rent places.....now think of these two places as being either stereo or mono= .....back and forth, back and forth.....it's a little bit-o-heaven.....but i= 'm simple.....:).....michael --part1_110.307f8836.2daa2b49_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 01:19:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3B5HB801508; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:17:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:17:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <194.2715ba6e.2daa2ece@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:17:02 EDT Subject: Re: Simple loop-based meditation for children To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_194.2715ba6e.2daa2ece_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_194.2715ba6e.2daa2ece_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/10/04 11:00:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, coyotelk@optonline.net writes: > I hadn't verbalized this process before, > and now I have. > well.....thanks a bunch!.....michael --part1_194.2715ba6e.2daa2ece_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/10/04 11:00:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, coyotelk@optonline.ne= t writes:


I hadn't verbalized this proces= s before,
and now I have.


well.....thanks a bunch!.....michael --part1_194.2715ba6e.2daa2ece_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 01:32:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3B5V3C02778; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:31:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:31:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.119.195.161] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DFX-94 .... quirks, etc Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:30:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2004 05:30:57.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A5D8FF0:01C41F86] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh... I have no idea what the sampling rate is, but it varies depending on how long of a delay you have it set to. The fidelity's a lot better with shorter loops. Some other quirks: Don't trust it with batteries. It only lasts a few hours, and has a tendency to go out when you're using it. Shell out the $15 for an adaptor at Radio Shack. You'll be glad you did. It makes a quiet high-pitched whining sound. The pitch changes as you change the pitch wheel. To make this virtually inaudible, simply feed louder signals into it so you can get a better signal-to-whine ratio. How sampling mode works: Turn the right-hand (function) wheel to "Trig". When you hit the button, it'll record until both lights are on again. Once you switch it to sample mode, you trigger the sample by hitting the switch. It'll play the entire sample, so if you want just a fragment, you'll have to quickly turn down the volume. If you turn the function wheel back to infinite repeat, it'll start repeating your sample, but whether the loop is open (recording) or closed (infinite repeat) depends on how many times you hit the switch while it was in sampler mode. To make sure I don't "put a hole" in my loop, I always make sure to turn the "repeat" knob (2nd from left) to maximum before switching back to infinite repeat mode. If I see it's recording, I quickly tap the switch again so it's in infinite repeat again without losing anything. You can also take a loop from infinite repeat mode and play it as a triggered sample. Just create a loop in infinite repeat mode, then move the function switch to "sample" mode. It'll be the sample. If you already have a loop, then try to sample something in trigger mode (aka "record sample" mode), the loop will be an already existing layer. If you want to completely overwrite it, turn the second knob (repeat) all the way to the left before recording. You'll hear the original loop as you're recording, but it won't be stored on the sample. Think of the Repeat knob as the "Layers" or "tracks" knob. By adjusting the knob while adding new stuff into an existing loop, you can either have what you're feeding into it be a new layer on top of the loop, or completely replace that portion of the loop. Silence counts too, so you can poke a bunch of holes in an infinite loop by tapping the switch with the repeat knob all the way to the left. I sure wish my new DL-4 had a "Layers" knob for looping mode. It really sucks having no option between "loop gradually fades out after about 30 minutes" and "loop stops immediately". The DFX-94's have been central to most things I do for the last 10 years. Up until recently, I've used them for 9 out of every 10 shows. (The 10th would either be acoustic, or all cassette recorders.) Last year, I used them to make about 90% of a remix for the San Diego experimental rap group Soul Junk. It's called "Sasketchewan" and is at http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/mattdavignonmusic.htm Matt Gary Lehmann done wrote: It hasn't made it into the setup yet!!!! I told you it was in its infancy LOL Any suggestions? I think probably sampling mode--boy is it a great pedal--thanks Matt Davignon . . .what do you think the sampling rate on it is? BTW, I do NOT have a manual for this pup, so if anyone else does, feel free to scan it and send it my way! Gary _________________________________________________________________ Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 02:11:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3B5xWw05852; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:59:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:59:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: RE: Boomerang Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:59:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C41F4F.7A98D3D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <110.307f8836.2daa2b49@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C41F4F.7A98D3D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you said: "now hit loop B and send that to two different places.....now think of these two places as being either stereo or mono.....back and forth, back and forth....." i feel like i just am not getting it. can i get stereo effect with this method? please explain. damon -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang In a message dated 4/10/04 4:44:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, damongrossman@comcast.net writes: what is the point of sending it to two different places if the two tracks can't be played at the same time. place #1.....clean place #2.....an octave above and detuned and any number of variations when a single signal goes to two different places.....think of that as loop A.....now hit loop B and send that to two different places.....now think of these two places as being either stereo or mono.....back and forth, back and forth.....it's a little bit-o-heaven.....but i'm simple.....:).....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C41F4F.7A98D3D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
you=20 said:
 
"now hit loop B and = send that to=20 two different places.....now think of these two places as being either = stereo or=20 mono.....back and forth, back and forth....."
 
i feel = like i just=20 am not getting it.  can i get stereo effect with this method?  = please=20 explain.
 
damon
-----Original Message-----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 = 10:02=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Boomerang

In a message dated 4/10/04 4:44:07 PM Eastern Daylight = Time,=20 damongrossman@comcast.net writes:


 what is the point of sending it to two different places = if the=20 two tracks can't be played at the same time.


place #1.....clean
place = #2.....an=20 octave above and detuned
and any number of variations when a single = signal=20 goes to two different places.....think of that as loop A.....now hit = loop B=20 and send that to two different places.....now think of these two = places as=20 being either stereo or mono.....back and forth, back and = forth.....it's a=20 little bit-o-heaven.....but i'm simple.....:).....michael=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C41F4F.7A98D3D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 04:29:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3B8SOT27538; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 04:28:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 04:28:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c41f9f$256edc60$1cb11345@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <132.2cf7bdb4.2da98664@aol.com> Subject: Re: Andre and the raging doppelganger question.... Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:29:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01C41F64.780C9E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C41F64.780C9E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe I should check the archives to see if the "other" Miko really = wasn't me? Can't belive the grief going down around Andre. He seems to really take = so much to heart... Sorry to see it...=20 Finally... I know I haven't been much of a "Live Looper" lately, but = I've got a cd up at cdbaby.com that I'd love to get some feedback on. = Most everything is real-time stereo looping, with only a couple pieces = having prepared loops or additional drum machine. My second cd will be = out early summer...=20 -miko "Running scared from all the usual distractions!"=20 Biffoz 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ICS Santa Cruz X-Ray Lodge! http://www.powerhat.com/ics ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Andre goes away from the old list--and I doubt that we = can all just get a... In a message dated 4/10/04 4:16:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = biffoz@arczip.com writes: So was it my alter-ego or actually someone entirely different?=20 mnm.....someone entirely different.....i hope!.....mnm ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C41F64.780C9E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maybe I should check the archives to = see if the=20 "other" Miko really wasn't me?
 
Can't belive the grief going down = around=20 Andre. He seems to really take so much to heart... Sorry to = see it...=20
 
Finally... I know I haven't been much = of a "Live=20 Looper" lately, but I've got a cd up at cdbaby.com that I'd love to get = some=20 feedback on. Most everything is real-time stereo looping, with only a = couple=20 pieces having prepared loops or additional drum machine. My second cd = will be=20 out early summer...
 
-miko
"Running scared from all the usual=20 distractions!" 
Biffoz 'Rough' at CDBaby.com  www.cdbaby.com/biffoz
ICS = Santa Cruz=20 X-Ray Lodge!  http://www.powerhat.com/ics
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 = 10:18=20 AM
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In a=20 message dated 4/10/04 4:16:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, biffoz@arczip.com = writes:


So was it my alter-ego or actually someone entirely = different?=20

mnm.....someone entirely different.....i=20 hope!.....mnm ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C41F64.780C9E20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 11:22:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BFK8S04233; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:20:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:20:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: DFX-94 -- the Master reveals his Secrets Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 08:19:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQfh6to53NVFHYjTmmqKHZCZeKpSwAUE2XQ Message-Id: <20040411152002.TGMN16555.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] The DFX-94's have been central to most things I do for the last 10 years. Up until recently, I've used them for 9 out of every 10 shows. (The 10th would either be acoustic, or all cassette recorders.) ------> Gee thanks, Matt! Sample rate is 12 bit, and its frequency response is listed at 10K--I got this from the scanned manual Francois LeBrun sent me (thanks again Francois!) So does the EH 16 allow one to change pitch with delay time change and WILL THE NEW ONE???? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 12:02:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BG17B09575; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:01:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:01:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Rise Again Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:00:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C41FA3.7FD6A440" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQf3iwAZtNbgJcrRm6qXEjp9x1H/w== Message-Id: <20040411160057.PQMW17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C41FA3.7FD6A440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy Easter, y'all-- Let the sound live on . . . Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C41FA3.7FD6A440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Happy = Easter,=20 y'all--
Let = the sound live=20 on . . .
Gary
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C41FA3.7FD6A440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 12:33:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BGVug13536; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:31:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:31:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Lee Barnes" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: OT: Acoustic Instrument Combo Amplifier Recommendations Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:29:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear all, Well, moving in stranger directions, I've just acquired a new lap dulcimer with a piezo dot pickup that when connected with effects (or by itself) to my current tubed combo amp certain strummed harmonics will cause my older Carvin Mesa Boogie clone to try and put both of the channels on at once (signal may be too hot, as it does this with a L5 clone with RMC's in it, too) and this occurs whether it is in the Hi or Lo jack. If anyone can recommend a good, roadworthy solid state or even tube acoustic instrument combo amp, I'd appreciate it. Hopefully this post of a question won't create as much tension as my last one for didgeridoo how-to's and suggestions for miking. By the by, the lap dulcimer in question is called "With Wings" off of Tom Yocky's website, http://cp.ezhost4less.net/~tomyocky/index1.html http://cp.ezhost4less.net/~tomyocky/photoarchive/with%20wings/with-wings.htm Thanks again! Lee Because ten billion year's time is so fragile, so ephemeral... it arouses such a bittersweet, almost heartbreaking fondness. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 12:48:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BFkWG07498; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:46:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:46:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.80d21a4.2daac24d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:46:21 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8e.80d21a4.2daac24d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8e.80d21a4.2daac24d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/04 2:00:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, damongrossman@comcast.net writes: > can i get stereo effect with this method? damon.....the rang is not stereo.....i have several fx boxes that i use that you can feed a mono line into and then the signal will come out stereo.....so with 2 lines out of the rang i can go to two different fx units: line out may go to my alesis air fx and the aux line out may go to my faze unit.....these "stereo" signals are then sent to my mixer and then out to my speakers.....regarding loop A and loop B: the rang has the ability to let you have 2 loops, they can not be played together......you have 2 options on the B loop, while playing loop A you can step on the button and when loop A is finished it will play loop B one time (option 1) or forever until you disengage it and return to loop A......not ever having a stereo looper, i do not really know the charm of such a beast but doing what i'm doing i get my fill of signal movement between speakers.....hope this helps.....michael --part1_8e.80d21a4.2daac24d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/11/04 2:00:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, damongrossman@comcast.= net writes:


can i get stereo effect with th= is method? 


damon.....the rang is not stereo.....i have several fx boxes that i use that= you can feed a mono line into and then the signal will come out stereo.....= so with 2 lines out of the rang i can go to two different fx units: line out= may go to my alesis air fx and the aux line out may go to my faze unit.....= these "stereo" signals are then sent to my mixer and then out to my speakers= .....regarding loop A and loop B: the rang has the ability to let you have 2= loops, they can not be played together......you have 2 options on the B loo= p, while playing loop A you can step on the button and when loop A is finish= ed it will play loop B one time (option 1) or forever until you disengage it= and return to loop A......not ever having a stereo looper, i do not really=20= know the charm of such a beast but doing what i'm doing i get my fill of sig= nal movement between speakers.....hope this helps.....michael --part1_8e.80d21a4.2daac24d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 12:57:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BGs0k16330; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:54:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:54:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: OT: Acoustic Instrument Combo Amplifier Recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, Lee Barnes wrote: > Dear all, > > Well, moving in stranger directions, I've just acquired a new lap dulcimer > with a piezo dot pickup that when connected with effects (or by itself) to > my current tubed combo amp certain strummed harmonics will cause my older > Carvin Mesa Boogie clone to try and put both of the channels on at once > (signal may be too hot, as it does this with a L5 clone with RMC's in it, > too) and this occurs whether it is in the Hi or Lo jack. If anyone can > recommend a good, roadworthy solid state or even tube acoustic instrument > combo amp, I'd appreciate it. I'd suggest looking at an SWR California Blonde. I've used one for years, mostly with Chapman Stick or theremin. http://www.swrsound.com/products/acousticseries/californiablonde.html best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 13:47:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BHk9k22559; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:46:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:46:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RODCSH1@aol.com Message-ID: <39.465ac9dc.2daade54@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:45:56 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1081705556" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5016 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1081705556 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found a good way to fake stereo effect using a Boomerang and a digital delay pedal. You don't need a Boomerang actually, you can do this with just an amp splitter and any 2 delay pedals. I use a Framptone amp splitter. I Put digital delay before the splitter so its running through both amps. Set the digital delay for about .5 seconds with about 4 repeats in the decay. Just a nice echo feel. Then I run the boomerang as a second delay pedal but I only run it through amp 'A'. This way you get a second delay coming ONLY out of amp 'A'. Set the rang so you hear the isolated delay out of amp 'A' slightly after or slightly before the overall delay that is effecting both amps. When you do this right, it will seem like the sound is bouncing back and forth between the amps, when in fact your really just hearing a second delay out of the 'A' amp. It fools your ear. separate the amps by at least 5 feet to enhance the effect. Try adding a univibe or and leslie/rotating speaker effect too, it really gets things spinning. -------------------------------1081705556 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I found a good way to fake stereo effect using a Boomerang and a d= igital delay pedal. You don't need a Boomerang actually, you can do thi= s with just an amp splitter and any 2 delay pedals.  I use a Framptone=20= amp splitter.  I Put digital delay before the splitter so its running t= hrough both amps. Set the digital delay for about .5 seconds with about 4 re= peats in the decay. Just a nice echo feel.  Then I run the boomerang as= a second delay pedal but I only run it through amp 'A'.  This way you=20= get a second delay coming ONLY out of amp 'A'.  Set the rang so you hea= r the isolated delay out of amp 'A' slightly after or slightly before the ov= erall delay that is effecting both amps. When you do this right, it will&nbs= p;seem like the sound is bouncing back and forth between the amps, when in f= act your really just hearing a second delay out of the 'A' amp. It fools you= r ear.  separate the amps by at least 5 feet to enhance the effect.&nbs= p; Try adding a univibe or and leslie/rotating speaker effect too, it really= gets things spinning.
 
-------------------------------1081705556-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 14:03:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BHqAJ23413; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:52:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:52:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig Spam (Seattle): Travis Hartnett Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:52:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A pair of acoustic guitar looping shows this week, no cover in either instance: Thursday, April 15, 7:30PM Penny Cafe (1707 NW Market) Friday, April 16, 8-10PM Victor's Celtic Coffee (Redmond) (7993 Gilman Street) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 14:41:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BIcZ328329; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 14:38:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 14:38:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.136.26.230] X-Originating-Email: [shattered_galaxy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: shattered_galaxy@hotmail.com From: "Neil T. Loehlein" To: Subject: Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Reverse Function Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:40:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C41F66.06154900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2004 18:38:29.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EDAD0B0:01C41FF4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C41F66.06154900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dear fellow loopers, i am strongly considering the purchase of the latest Gibson Echoplex. = One burning question i have before i make the purchase is this: With = the Gibson Echoplex, is it possible to create a reverse loop and then = overdub in reverse without changing the direction of the original loop = (layering reverse overdubs while keeping the initial loop in reverse as = well)? The Boss RC-20 i have now doesn't have that capability which is = annoying and makes reverse looping virtually useless in live = applications. Also, how well does the MIDI communicate with = sequencers....is there a fair amount of flexibility while still keeping = the looper and sequencers in sync? any input would be appreciated. thanks, neil ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C41F66.06154900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
dear fellow loopers,
i am strongly considering the purchase = of the=20 latest Gibson Echoplex.  One burning question i have before i make = the=20 purchase is this:  With the Gibson Echoplex, is it possible to = create a=20 reverse loop and then overdub in reverse without changing the direction = of the=20 original loop (layering reverse overdubs while keeping the initial loop = in=20 reverse as well)?  The Boss RC-20 i have now doesn't have that = capability=20 which is annoying and makes reverse looping virtually useless in live=20 applications.  Also, how well does the MIDI communicate with=20 sequencers....is there a fair amount of flexibility while still keeping = the=20 looper and sequencers in sync?  any input would be=20 appreciated.
thanks,
neil
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C41F66.06154900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 15:18:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BJGmZ00437; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:16:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:16:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:16:38 +0200 Subject: Re: Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Reverse Function From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3gkZk.A.sG.gmZeAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-11 08.40, "Neil T. Loehlein" wrote: > dear fellow loopers, > i am strongly considering the purchase of the latest Gibson Echoplex. One > burning question i have before i make the purchase is this: With the Gibson > Echoplex, is it possible to create a reverse loop and then overdub in reverse > without changing the direction of the original loop (layering reverse overdubs > while keeping the initial loop in reverse as well)? The Boss RC-20 i have now > doesn't have that capability which is annoying and makes reverse looping > virtually useless in live applications. Also, how well does the MIDI > communicate with sequencers....is there a fair amount of flexibility while > still keeping the looper and sequencers in sync? any input would be > appreciated. > thanks, > neil Hi Neil, To make a reverse overdub to a loop you first have to reverse the original loop. Then you make some noise while overdubbing and reverse it all a second time. Now you end up with the original loop ("background") straight and your latest overdub reversed. I don't find this to be a problem at all in a live situation. IMO it's cool to reverse even the original loop only to let it come back, spiced up with a reversed overdub. That's one thing I love with the EDP; it let's you mess things up badly and still return to perfect sync and harmony :-) You might have to specify "MIDI communication with sequencers" a little more, to get valuable answers. The only MIDI communication I have used to sequencers is midi clock syncing and the EDP does this perfectly, as a slave or as a clock master. All functions are available over MIDI so you should be able to completely sequence it. I'm controlling it from midi foot pedals over MIDI. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 15:36:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BJYhA02354; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:34:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:34:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200404111918.i3BJIj600645@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200404111918.i3BJIj600645@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <46D2280B-8BEF-11D8-B65E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: OT: Acoustic Instrument Combo Amplifier Recommendations Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:34:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't found any acoustic instrument combos that I can get genuinely enthusiastic about, but the Trace Elliot 100 or 50R are very workable. I've got a Strawberry Blonde (the single channel version of California Blonde), and it's nice, but the preamp is a bit noisy and it doesn't have graphic eq or a notch for feedback issues. Also, the spring reverb is better than nothing, but not much else. I've also got a Tech21 Bronzewood, but I can't say anything good about it other than it looks neat. I've found it better to use a preamp that you like (I favor the Tech21 Acoustic DI or the Yamaha AG Stomp) and then use a clean powered monitor speaker. TravisH On Apr 11, 2004, at 12:18 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > If anyone can > recommend a good, roadworthy solid state or even tube acoustic > instrument > combo amp, I'd appreciate it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 16:37:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BKXMU08315; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:33:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:33:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:32:09 -0800 Subject: Re: DFX-94 -- the Master reveals his Secrets From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040411152002.TGMN16555.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7HWtIB.A.wBC.SuaeAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] > > > The DFX-94's have been central to most things I do for the last 10 years. Up > until recently, I've used them for 9 out of every 10 shows. (The 10th would > either be acoustic, or all cassette recorders.) > ------> Gee thanks, Matt! > Sample rate is 12 bit, and its frequency response is listed at 10K--I got > this from the scanned manual Francois LeBrun sent me (thanks again > Francois!) > So does the EH 16 allow one to change pitch with delay time change and WILL > THE NEW ONE???? > Gary hey gary- i dont know about the 'new' one but i should think so-being that's one of the good things on the original <16secDDL>...and since it was 8 bit it goes from lo-fi to mudd real quick when you lengthen the delay time. s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 17:42:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BLe1N15946; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:40:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:40:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP seeker Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:39:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2004 21:39:51.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[85426080:01C4200D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's the freaking deal with this? Hasn't every EDP that's been built also been sold? Why if there is such a SURPLUS of demand does Gibson not make more of these beauties? And why if there are none to be had does Musician's Fiend keep teasing me with that damned picture in their catalog? I want my E D P........ In the words of Howard Dean.......Yeeeaaarrhh!!!! >Information seems to indicate that there are no -- repeat -- NO EDP's >presently available via the retail channel in the USA. >The 350 units sitting in a factory in England will be sucked up instantly >once they are paid for and distributed. > >David _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 17:52:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BLe5216114; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:40:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:40:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP seeker Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:39:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2004 21:39:58.0610 (UTC) FILETIME=[89761F20:01C4200D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's the freaking deal with this? Hasn't every EDP that's been built also been sold? Why if there is such a SURPLUS of demand does Gibson not make more of these beauties? And why if there are none to be had does Musician's Fiend keep teasing me with that damned picture in their catalog? I want my E D P........ In the words of Howard Dean.......Yeeeaaarrhh!!!! >Information seems to indicate that there are no -- repeat -- NO EDP's >presently available via the retail channel in the USA. >The 350 units sitting in a factory in England will be sucked up instantly >once they are paid for and distributed. > >David _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 18:39:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BMaZx26687; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:36:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:36:36 -0700 Subject: "Live Looping" From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been pondering Andre's departure while away from my e-mail for a week. Andre may or may not be uncomfortable sharing a genre with Matthias Grob and Rick Walker, but I think there is a fair amount of overlap and in ways that are distinct from a singer-songerwriter using loops on a DL4 for accompaniment and in ways that are pretty distinct from others I've heard at looping festivals such as Richard Zvonar, Matt Davignon, or Amy X Neuburg (who are all relatively distinct from one another). I think that similarity is potentially apparent to people who aren't familiar with the technology. Andre is more aggressive and less ambient in his playing than some but there are some core similarities stemming from a musical style that grows and evolves the music as the audience listens. But that's where I think the "Live Looping" movement got itself in trouble. There is an aesthetic similarity, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone express what it is. This leaves us with "Live Looping consists of people who use loopers live". But that includes the singer-songwriter with the DL4 who doesn't think of himself as a live looper per se. As Kim (I think) has pointed out, it makes knowledge that something is a looping event be about as informative as knowing it's a guitar event or a trombone event. So, to really be successful as a promotional tool -- which I think is the basic reason for trying to define a genre -- there are a couple of things I think should happen: 1. Someone needs to come up with a definition of the aesthetics and experience from an audience perspective. 2. The name needs some consideration. If there is real audience knowledge of live looping then that name may be worth keeping, but it also carries with it the problem that to use a looper live may not make one a live looper per se. Mark Sottilaro and I started toying with the name "Cycletronica" last time this came up. He seems to have done more with it than I have. I've also been thinking about Loopstock and wondering whether the potentially anemic showing in Los Osos is symptomatic of a bigger problem. Maybe it's just that like me other people have schedule conflicts. I'm trying to resolve those conflicts, but I haven't managed to do so yet. Or are Andre's frustrations taking hold at a broader level? I've found the festivals extremely valuable to me as a player because without them I wouldn't be playing publicly. But I've also found them a bit frustrating both as a player and an audience member. For example, as a player, I become paranoid about getting my rig into a form that will set up and strike very quickly. That probably results in some useful focus and keeps me from spending a performance playing with too many toys, but it is also a bit stressful. And I really would like a soundcheck though the audience presumably wouldn't. As an audience member, I find it annoying when others haven't worked as hard and the festival turns into a festival of technical difficulties. (As a performer, I can think "there but for the grace of God" but that wouldn't cut it if I were just an audience member.) Is it time to evolve beyond the marathon festival model? To what? How do we keep bringing the community together without the stress level burning people out? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 18:39:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BMbM026778; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:37:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:37:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:37:23 -0700 Subject: OT: Spring cleaning equipment spam From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The following equipment is not getting sufficient use at my house and should find itself a new home. My usual pricing when I've sold stuff before has been Prepal - 10% for fellow loopers plus shipping. The prices below reflect that where possible. Everything is in great condition having never been out of my house, not exposed to cigarette smoke, etc.. Line6 Bass Pod: I'm a guitarist not a bass player. It just doesn't get enough use to justify it relative to running the bass guitar through the SansAmp. $249 x 0.9 = $224. Line6 FM4 Filter Modeler: Delivers some truly whacked sounds, but I haven't been playing with those much of late. Fun for feeding a drum machine in. $179 x 0.9 = $161. Chapman Stick (polycarbonate, 1988) includes case, strap, book, cable. Prices are harder to find. Everything that has sold on e-Bay recently is well over $1000 but they are also the wooden sticks. Some people claim that the polycarbonate actually sounds better. Let's say $1000 (or find me better comps). Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 19:49:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BNl2b11716; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:47:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:47:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c4201f$a30e12a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <200404101718.i3AHIa710064@hemlock.violacea.com> <05CBB3D9-8B5C-11D8-A3A2-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: My first looping performance Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:49:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.128.93] at Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:46:58 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this what on some other delays is called "ducking"??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:00 PM Subject: RE: My first looping performance > A lot of the time, sure. On the other hand I've got pieces that I > call "Lego" tunes which are built up mostly in overdub mode, varying > the levels of feedback over the course of the piece (usually around 10 > or 15 minutes). My big wish for future EDP software is a "tapped > looper" mode, where you can set the number of repeats exactly, and be > able to set the feedback level for each tap (usually two or three). > What I'd like is to have two or three repeats at close to 100% of the > live instrument level so I can do canon/fugue type things (I can never > remember the difference between the two concepts). > > > TravisH > > On Apr 10, 2004, at 10:18 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > Now, there are some for whom the delay looping is not a "bed"--Andre La > > Fosse comes to mind--I'm sure you've heard of him, he was nice enough > > to > > email me back saying give a holler next time I'm in the greater LA > > area, and > > I told him to let me know about his LA appearances--but I imagine 9 > > out of > > 10 loopers are accumulating that time lag to solo over. Opinions? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 20:02:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3BNuaY14333; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:56:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:56:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c42020$fa4fe9c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: "Live Looping" Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:59:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.128.93] at Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:56:34 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sarcasm mode = on Hmmmm....... let me see.... naming a genre of music that requires specific capabilities derived from any of a number of devices that is used to create the music.... I have it!!! FuzzBox Music!!! Sarcasm mode = off Is there such a thing as wah-wah music?? I have sympathy with the desire to have something that consolidates music with loops in it, but if you can find a term that will cover Classical, Opera, Jazz, Rock, Hip-Hop, Country and Folk, then I definitely want to know it! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 6:36 PM Subject: "Live Looping" > I've been pondering Andre's departure while away from my e-mail for a week. > > Andre may or may not be uncomfortable sharing a genre with Matthias Grob and > Rick Walker, but I think there is a fair amount of overlap and in ways that > are distinct from a singer-songerwriter using loops on a DL4 for > accompaniment and in ways that are pretty distinct from others I've heard at > looping festivals such as Richard Zvonar, Matt Davignon, or Amy X Neuburg > (who are all relatively distinct from one another). I think that similarity > is potentially apparent to people who aren't familiar with the technology. > Andre is more aggressive and less ambient in his playing than some but there > are some core similarities stemming from a musical style that grows and > evolves the music as the audience listens. > > But that's where I think the "Live Looping" movement got itself in trouble. > There is an aesthetic similarity, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone > express what it is. This leaves us with "Live Looping consists of people who > use loopers live". But that includes the singer-songwriter with the DL4 who > doesn't think of himself as a live looper per se. As Kim (I think) has > pointed out, it makes knowledge that something is a looping event be about > as informative as knowing it's a guitar event or a trombone event. > > So, to really be successful as a promotional tool -- which I think is the > basic reason for trying to define a genre -- there are a couple of things I > think should happen: > > 1. Someone needs to come up with a definition of the aesthetics and > experience from an audience perspective. > > 2. The name needs some consideration. If there is real audience knowledge of > live looping then that name may be worth keeping, but it also carries with > it the problem that to use a looper live may not make one a live looper per > se. Mark Sottilaro and I started toying with the name "Cycletronica" last > time this came up. He seems to have done more with it than I have. > > I've also been thinking about Loopstock and wondering whether the > potentially anemic showing in Los Osos is symptomatic of a bigger problem. > Maybe it's just that like me other people have schedule conflicts. I'm > trying to resolve those conflicts, but I haven't managed to do so yet. > > Or are Andre's frustrations taking hold at a broader level? I've found the > festivals extremely valuable to me as a player because without them I > wouldn't be playing publicly. But I've also found them a bit frustrating > both as a player and an audience member. For example, as a player, I become > paranoid about getting my rig into a form that will set up and strike very > quickly. That probably results in some useful focus and keeps me from > spending a performance playing with too many toys, but it is also a bit > stressful. And I really would like a soundcheck though the audience > presumably wouldn't. As an audience member, I find it annoying when others > haven't worked as hard and the festival turns into a festival of technical > difficulties. (As a performer, I can think "there but for the grace of God" > but that wouldn't cut it if I were just an audience member.) > > Is it time to evolve beyond the marathon festival model? To what? How do we > keep bringing the community together without the stress level burning people > out? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 20:05:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3C03ad15810; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:03:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:03:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:03:37 -0700 Subject: Re: "Live Looping" From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003a01c42020$fa4fe9c0$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure whether you are disagreeing with me. That was essentially my point. There is a stylistic similarity to the work of Mssrs Walker, LaFosse, Grob, and others. Enough of a similarity to start talking about a genre. (Note that music need not belong to only one genre.) At the same time, there are other musicians using loopers whose music seems much further removed stylistically and wouldn't be part of the same genre. The problem I'm pointing out is that "live looping" -- particularly in the absence of some other definition -- isn't that much different from "wah-wah music" as a name. As a relatively inclusive guy, Rick Walker may not like it, but to define a genre/movement/what-have-you, it's going to have to exclude someone otherwise it's meaningless. Mark on 4/11/04 4:59 PM, David Kirkdorffer at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote: > Sarcasm mode = on > > Hmmmm....... let me see.... naming a genre of music that requires specific > capabilities derived from any of a number of devices that is used to create > the music.... I have it!!! FuzzBox Music!!! > > Sarcasm mode = off > > Is there such a thing as wah-wah music?? > > I have sympathy with the desire to have something that consolidates music > with loops in it, but if you can find a term that will cover Classical, > Opera, Jazz, Rock, Hip-Hop, Country and Folk, then I definitely want to know > it! > > David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 20:15:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3C0Ebd18358; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:14:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:14:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <77.2684e8bd.2dab3962@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:14:26 EDT Subject: Re: "Live Looping" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_77.2684e8bd.2dab3962_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_77.2684e8bd.2dab3962_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Is there such a thing as wah-wah music?? > If everything being created in a set was pumped through a wah wah then maybe there would be. --part1_77.2684e8bd.2dab3962_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there such a thing= as wah-wah music??

If everything being created in a set was pumped through a wah=20= wah then maybe there would be.

 --part1_77.2684e8bd.2dab3962_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 20:50:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3C0mGA22022; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: "Live Looping" Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:48:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQgFeAiQWpW/6aLRd+JDwx3uTFAdAADeSeQ X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.12.148.13] at Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:48:13 -0500 Message-Id: <20040412004814.RHUA9273.out002.verizon.net@home> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This has always been a huge problem for all types of 'fringe' artists. How do you promote yourself to people who identify what you are by something they may have heard? Not just to a potential audience but to someone who may book you? People who book coffeehouses usually deal with singer-songwriter types. Making up a word doesn't seem to work. It is hard to say to them 'I call my music SPAMBIENT', because the next question is 'What is that?'. Looping is used in all types of music, and it is easy to draw similarities between how individuals use their looping devices. I am afraid defining the music as 'looping' doesn't tell the average MTV/ClearChannel listener anything about what they are about to hear. I have to realize that where I am (Florida, US), there are certain buzzwords that will automatically close the ears of most people. If I tell one of my metal-headed students to come to my show, and I say 'classical', 'jazz', 'ambient', etc- well, anything except the word 'metal', the door has already been closed. I think this isn't unique- it is common for the average music consumer. Defining what *you* do is the hard part. For me, I usually tailor my response to the venue. If it is a jam band festival, hey, I'll call my band a jam band. If it is an art festival, I might call what I do 'contemporary classical'...as a solo guitarist that loops, its not a big stretch to call it that, even if it is improvised. I am careful, however, of making the right choices- I am not going to try to get a gig at a bluegrass festival, or at a jazz festival, even though much of what I do is improvised. Hell, my band got accepted to play at a prog festival in another state, because the organizers heard my music and decided it was 'prog enough'...cool, although I thought it was a long shot. I hate feeling like I am pushing my music on unwilling people sometimes. As far as setting your gear up in a festival atmosphere, it just comes from doing it. Playing a lot locally and dragging your gear out really is a test to see if you need to bring all the speakers out so you can be in 10.1 surround sound. This goes for any gear. Get to know it so if (and when) something goes wrong, you can fix it within a minute with a smile on your face. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > 1. Someone needs to come up with a definition of the > aesthetics and experience from an audience perspective. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 22:29:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3C2R1a04694; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:27:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:27:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.215.189] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Live Looping" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 02:26:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2004 02:26:55.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FA85060:01C42035] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know to a point i may be saying what others have basically said, im not sure, i just feel i need to verbalise my views on this subject. >From the way the thread is now moving Im getting the idea that this "is looping a style/genre" thing is now coming partialy from the point of view that if you can call it a style you can talk to prospective gig bookers or audiences about it etc. This is the area that Im now going to talk about (cos I know there are others where this may or may not apply). It is my standpoint now that the emphasis and description that you place on the looping element of your music may well largly depend on how you use the loops. In other words if the Loops themselves are the most interesting and moving part of your show,you want to , and have every right to draw attention to them. (in this case I would say personally that I was using the Looping Style as I am effectivly creating the music within the perameters of repetition as the most key element) If however your loops form a bed for instance , of precussion, that you then play chords and sing a song over (say like howie day), you are basically using the Looping Technique (using the loop samlper as an extra instrument that could also be done with bongos if you happened to have another person lets say), rather then the looping style, and you are doing this because it is a good effect that complements another more important (to you) part of your music, in this case lets say singer songwriing. I guess to progress this to its next natural step you could then say that if you had recorded an album that was made from the point of view of exploreing the possibilitys and sounds inherent of the Looping tools that are available , you would then be talking about the Looping Genre, I would seperate this again from an album that could be made using the exact same tools but not BECAUSE of the tools I.E. the artist placed another part of the music as more important, (lets say he wanted to make an album of Jazz but did so with his Loopers, to this guy he has made a Jazz album that would sit in the Jazz Genre but that was made using the Looping Technique) I will therefore conclude that Looping is mostly a Technique, a sub-catagory of this would be that it is a tool in the same way that any effect that is applyed in a studio for a particular reason is a tool,(but obviously you could get a whole buch of musicians to play over and over again so this is not an exclusive phrase). Looping can be seen next as a Style due to the fact that it has an inherent sonic quality to it that can be identified through listening even though it crosses cross the borders of blues, jazz, rock etc. Finally to some artists who dedicate there time to the persuit of using loops as their MAIN form of musical reasoning you can say that looping to them and for their music Looping is a Genre. I know as a reletivly "outsider" persuit we are having difficultys in getting our heads around these things, but i think it is worth baring in mind this is not exclusive to Looping, its just that we seem more determined to search for a SINGLE answer, Im sure there are some areas that are flawed in this little thought burst, if you have any comments please let me know as responding to them may help further my understanding, Im 23, Ive been looping for just over a year, I know NOTHING, but I think the road to enlightenment maybe a long and incredebly fun one. Good luck to all of you on all your journeys Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 11 23:17:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3C3A7F12163; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 23:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 23:10:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040411201320.032cf148@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:14:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP seeker In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:39 PM 4/11/2004, Jason Spring wrote: >What's the freaking deal with this? Hasn't every EDP that's been built >also been sold? Why if there is such a SURPLUS of demand does Gibson not >make more of these beauties? you should try asking Gibson that directly. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 01:21:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3C5ICC26512; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 01:18:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 01:18:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: Have you been there, done that? Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:18:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C42012.E20A1BF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQgTY4JdoHPRFKaTdmCzC/pXQk7qA== Message-Id: <20040412051804.IARA16022.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C42012.E20A1BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has any one ever done what I call a memory remix, or a re-creation of sounds (ambient and music) that you heard somewhere, but didn't or couldn't record? Every year in Tucson (AZ) we are privileged to have the Yaqui Holy Week Ceremonies. This is one of the great Carnivals still left in our time, which used to be more prevalent in the Middle Ages. This year we went to the Holy Saturday ceremony, and all of the sounds seemed more alive then ever. And they didn't want you to record any of it. It's a Passion drama that goes back to the 17th century, that combines Native dances and rituals with Catholic Christianity. When we got home, I did such a memory remix, as sort of a sound meditation, for our own ears only, out of respect for their wishes. It's a loop to be played 3 times, the climax of their Holy Saturday ceremony. This is not telling any secrets, since it is described somewhat in a small book published by the U of A Press. The action takes place in their village, in a big open space, with not too much reverb. There are two Societies. You guessed it, the good guys and the bad guys. One of them fills much of the open space. They are marching to a beat of wooden daggers against swords, ankle rattles, and some drums. Near the church is a choir singing the Gloria, somewhat dissonantly, with a guitarist. The courtyard is filled with many people from the village and visitors. The ambient sounds are birds singing, babies crying, children playing and yelling, conversations going on, and overhead, a jet plane from our local SAC base. All of a sudden, the church bells start ringing, cannons are fired, there's firecrackers is the air, and the marchers storm the Church, only to be turned back. This happens three times. When it's all over, people start to leave, dark clouds are overhead, the wind starts blowing, and some rain falls here and there, a co-incidence John Cage would have loved. And there's the drone of a long freight train slowly crawling towards the yards, south of the village. What I worked on last night was done in Reason, using 3 (so far) of their Re-drums. The 1st one was 10 channels of drum sticks, all tuned differently, each one individually connected to the mixer. (These play for 64 measures.) This is probably an understatement, since there were probably forty marchers playing wooden daggers against swords. My wife played some thick kitchen wooden spoons that sounded great, so I'll need to sample them, probably in Cubase SX, or Ableton Live. But first, I'll need to add a mini disk field recorder and some mikes to my setup. All I have now is an inexpensive Shure mike I got from Radio Shack several years back. In the 2nd Re-drum, I put two different sounding congas, sounding somewhat randomly, the rattles, and some birds singing (one shot only). (These play for 60 measures.) I have a Native drum I can sample later. The rattles are OK. The birds will need to be replaced when I record the ambient sounds in the back yard, which should capture most of what we heard at the ceremony, except the babies crying, and those I can record in the park. I want to record enough to continue playing through the three repeats. In the 3rd Re-drum, so far there are only church bells pealing. They start in the 65th measure and take eight measures for the sound to decay. Then it loops back to the marching sounds again. I need to find some samples of cannons and firecrackers to add to the excitement. I used three of Reason's effects: delay, unison, and phaser. I'll probably limit the project to just this, plus the wind and the train at the end. Any suggestions for any of this? I'd love to hear them. Thanks, and Peace to all. Tom P.S: Food for thought: According to some, Holy Week is a time when a lot of tension gets released into the atmosphere. Not only in Iraq, but even in our own list last week. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C42012.E20A1BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Has any one ever done what I call a memory remix, or = a re-creation of sounds (ambient and music) that you heard somewhere, but didn’t = or couldn’t record?

 

Every year in Tucson (AZ) we are privileged to have = the Yaqui Holy Week Ceremonies.  This is one of the great Carnivals still = left in our time, which used to be more prevalent in the Middle = Ages.

 

This year we went to the Holy Saturday ceremony, and = all of the sounds seemed more alive then ever.  And they didn’t want = you to record any of it.  It’s a Passion drama that goes back to the = 17th century, that combines Native dances and rituals with Catholic = Christianity.

 

When we got home, I did = such a memory remix, as sort of a sound meditation, for our own ears only, out = of respect for their wishes.  It’s a loop to be played 3 times, = the climax of their Holy Saturday ceremony.  This is not telling any = secrets, since it is described somewhat in a small book published by the U of A = Press.

 

The action takes place in their village, in a big = open space, with not too much reverb.  There are two Societies.  = You guessed it, the good guys and the bad guys.  One of them fills much of the = open space.   They are marching to a beat of wooden daggers against = swords, ankle rattles, and some drums.  Near the church is a choir singing = the Gloria, somewhat dissonantly, with a = guitarist.

 

The courtyard is filled with many people from the = village and visitors. The ambient sounds are birds singing, babies crying, = children playing and yelling, conversations going on, and overhead, a jet plane = from our local SAC base.

 

All of a sudden, the church = bells start ringing, cannons are fired, there’s firecrackers is the air, = and the marchers storm the Church, only to be turned back.  This = happens three times.

 

When it’s all over, = people start to leave, dark clouds are overhead, the wind starts blowing, and = some rain falls here and there, a co-incidence John Cage would have = loved.  And there’s the drone of a long freight train slowly crawling towards = the yards, south of the village.

 

What I worked on last night = was done in Reason, using 3 (so far) of their Re-drums.  The 1st =  one was 10 channels of drum sticks, all tuned differently, each one = individually connected to the mixer.  (These play for 64 measures.)  This is probably = an understatement, since there were probably forty marchers playing wooden = daggers against swords.  My wife played some thick kitchen wooden spoons = that sounded great, so I’ll need to sample them, probably in Cubase SX, = or Ableton Live.

 

But first, I’ll need = to add a mini disk field recorder and some mikes to my setup.  All I have now is = an inexpensive Shure mike I got from Radio Shack several years = back.

 

In the 2nd = Re-drum, I put two different sounding congas, sounding somewhat randomly, the rattles, = and some birds singing (one shot only).  (These play for 60 = measures.)  I have a Native drum I can sample later.  The rattles are = OK.

 

The birds will need to be = replaced when I record the ambient sounds in the back yard, which should capture = most of what we heard at the ceremony, except the babies crying, and those I can = record in the park.  I want to record enough to continue playing through = the three repeats.

 

In the 3rd Re-drum, so far = there are only church bells pealing.  They start in the 65th = measure and take eight measures for the sound to decay.  Then it loops back to the = marching sounds again.  I need to find some samples of cannons and = firecrackers to add to the excitement.

 

I used three of = Reason’s effects:  delay, unison, and phaser.

 

I’ll probably limit = the project to just this, plus the wind and the train at the = end.

 

Any suggestions for any of this?  I’d love to hear them.

 

Thanks, and Peace to = all.

Tom=

 

P.S:  Food for = thought:  According to some, Holy Week is a time when a lot of tension gets released into = the atmosphere.  Not only in Iraq, but even in our own list last week.

------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C42012.E20A1BF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 01:37:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3C5UN027818; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 01:30:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 01:30:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Have you been there, done that? Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:30:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C42014.95C22560" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040412051804.IARA16022.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQgTY4JdoHPRFKaTdmCzC/pXQk7qAAAVcfg Message-Id: <20040412053018.HZVL14862.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C42014.95C22560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PSS: I'll also need to add the choir and the guitar. How do you get samples of a dissonant choir? In Latin? Tom _____ From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 10:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Have you been there, done that? Has any one ever done what I call a memory remix, or a re-creation of sounds (ambient and music) that you heard somewhere, but didn't or couldn't record? Every year in Tucson (AZ) we are privileged to have the Yaqui Holy Week Ceremonies. This is one of the great Carnivals still left in our time, which used to be more prevalent in the Middle Ages. This year we went to the Holy Saturday ceremony, and all of the sounds seemed more alive then ever. And they didn't want you to record any of it. It's a Passion drama that goes back to the 17th century, that combines Native dances and rituals with Catholic Christianity. When we got home, I did such a memory remix, as sort of a sound meditation, for our own ears only, out of respect for their wishes. It's a loop to be played 3 times, the climax of their Holy Saturday ceremony. This is not telling any secrets, since it is described somewhat in a small book published by the U of A Press. The action takes place in their village, in a big open space, with not too much reverb. There are two Societies. You guessed it, the good guys and the bad guys. One of them fills much of the open space. They are marching to a beat of wooden daggers against swords, ankle rattles, and some drums. Near the church is a choir singing the Gloria, somewhat dissonantly, with a guitarist. The courtyard is filled with many people from the village and visitors. The ambient sounds are birds singing, babies crying, children playing and yelling, conversations going on, and overhead, a jet plane from our local SAC base. All of a sudden, the church bells start ringing, cannons are fired, there's firecrackers is the air, and the marchers storm the Church, only to be turned back. This happens three times. When it's all over, people start to leave, dark clouds are overhead, the wind starts blowing, and some rain falls here and there, a co-incidence John Cage would have loved. And there's the drone of a long freight train slowly crawling towards the yards, south of the village. What I worked on last night was done in Reason, using 3 (so far) of their Re-drums. The 1st one was 10 channels of drum sticks, all tuned differently, each one individually connected to the mixer. (These play for 64 measures.) This is probably an understatement, since there were probably forty marchers playing wooden daggers against swords. My wife played some thick kitchen wooden spoons that sounded great, so I'll need to sample them, probably in Cubase SX, or Ableton Live. But first, I'll need to add a mini disk field recorder and some mikes to my setup. All I have now is an inexpensive Shure mike I got from Radio Shack several years back. In the 2nd Re-drum, I put two different sounding congas, sounding somewhat randomly, the rattles, and some birds singing (one shot only). (These play for 60 measures.) I have a Native drum I can sample later. The rattles are OK. The birds will need to be replaced when I record the ambient sounds in the back yard, which should capture most of what we heard at the ceremony, except the babies crying, and those I can record in the park. I want to record enough to continue playing through the three repeats. In the 3rd Re-drum, so far there are only church bells pealing. They start in the 65th measure and take eight measures for the sound to decay. Then it loops back to the marching sounds again. I need to find some samples of cannons and firecrackers to add to the excitement. I used three of Reason's effects: delay, unison, and phaser. I'll probably limit the project to just this, plus the wind and the train at the end. Any suggestions for any of this? I'd love to hear them. Thanks, and Peace to all. Tom P.S: Food for thought: According to some, Holy Week is a time when a lot of tension gets released into the atmosphere. Not only in Iraq, but even in our own list last week. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C42014.95C22560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

PSS:  I’ll also need to = add the choir and the guitar.  How do you get samples of a dissonant = choir?  In Latin?

 

Tom

 

From: Tom = Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 11, = 2004 10:18 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Have you been = there, done that?

 

Has any one ever done what I call a memory remix, or = a re-creation of sounds (ambient and music) that you heard somewhere, but didn’t or couldn’t record?

 

Every year in Tucson (AZ) we are privileged to have = the Yaqui Holy Week Ceremonies.  This is one of the great Carnivals = still left in our time, which used to be more prevalent in the Middle = Ages.

 

This year we went to the Holy Saturday ceremony, and = all of the sounds seemed more alive then ever.  And they didn’t want = you to record any of it.  It’s a Passion drama that goes back to the = 17th century, that combines Native dances and rituals with Catholic = Christianity.

 

When we got home, I did = such a memory remix, as sort of a sound meditation, for our own ears only, out = of respect for their wishes.  It’s a loop to be played 3 times, = the climax of their Holy Saturday ceremony.  This is not telling any = secrets, since it is described somewhat in a small book published by the U of A = Press.

 

The action takes place in their village, in a big = open space, with not too much reverb.  There are two Societies.  = You guessed it, the good guys and the bad guys.  One of them fills much = of the open space.   They are marching to a beat of wooden daggers = against swords, ankle rattles, and some drums.  Near the church is a choir = singing the Gloria, somewhat dissonantly, with a = guitarist.

 

The courtyard is filled with many people from the = village and visitors. The ambient sounds are birds singing, babies crying, = children playing and yelling, conversations going on, and overhead, a jet plane = from our local SAC base.

 

All of a sudden, the church = bells start ringing, cannons are fired, there’s firecrackers is the air, = and the marchers storm the Church, only to be turned back.  This = happens three times.

 

When it’s all over, = people start to leave, dark clouds are overhead, the wind starts blowing, and = some rain falls here and there, a co-incidence John Cage would have = loved.  And there’s the drone of a long freight train slowly crawling towards = the yards, south of the village.

 

What I worked on last night = was done in Reason, using 3 (so far) of their Re-drums.  The 1st  one was 10 channels of drum sticks, all tuned differently, each = one individually connected to the mixer.  (These play for 64 = measures.)  This is probably an understatement, since there were probably forty = marchers playing wooden daggers against swords.  My wife played some thick = kitchen wooden spoons that sounded great, so I’ll need to sample them, = probably in Cubase SX, or Ableton Live.

 

But first, I’ll need = to add a mini disk field recorder and some mikes to my setup.  All I have = now is an inexpensive Shure mike I got from Radio Shack several years = back.

 

In the 2nd = Re-drum, I put two different sounding congas, sounding somewhat randomly, the rattles, = and some birds singing (one shot only).  (These play for 60 = measures.)  I have a Native drum I can sample later.  The rattles are = OK.

 

The birds will need to be = replaced when I record the ambient sounds in the back yard, which should capture = most of what we heard at the ceremony, except the babies crying, and those I can = record in the park.  I want to record enough to continue playing through = the three repeats.

 

In the 3rd Re-drum, so far = there are only church bells pealing.  They start in the 65th = measure and take eight measures for the sound to decay.  Then it loops back to = the marching sounds again.  I need to find some samples of cannons and firecrackers to add to the excitement.

 

I used three of = Reason’s effects:  delay, unison, and phaser.

 

I’ll probably limit = the project to just this, plus the wind and the train at the = end.

 

Any suggestions for any of this?  I’d love to hear them.

 

Thanks, and Peace to = all.

Tom=

 

P.S:  Food for = thought:  According to some, Holy Week is a time when a lot of tension gets = released into the atmosphere.  Not only in Iraq, but even in our own = list last week.

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C42014.95C22560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 02:33:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3C6W3804657; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 02:32:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 02:32:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: EDP seeker Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 23:32:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C4201D.32D2C230" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQgDdTLWFE85sghTrizn0ZEiFIr8AASbajA Message-Id: <20040412063153.EXAZ17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C4201D.32D2C230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jason, FYI: There's an EDP still on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=41415&item=3716739715 Tom -----Original Message----- From: Jason Spring [mailto:j_sun23@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 2:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP seeker What's the freaking deal with this? Hasn't every EDP that's been built also been sold? Why if there is such a SURPLUS of demand does Gibson not make more of these beauties? And why if there are none to be had does Musician's Fiend keep teasing me with that damned picture in their catalog? I want my E D P........ In the words of Howard Dean.......Yeeeaaarrhh!!!! >Information seems to indicate that there are no -- repeat -- NO EDP's >presently available via the retail channel in the USA. >The 350 units sitting in a factory in England will be sucked up instantly >once they are paid for and distributed. > >David _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C4201D.32D2C230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jason,

 

FYI: There's an EDP still on eBay:

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am= p;category=3D41415&item=3D3716739715

=

 

Tom

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Spring = [mailto:j_sun23@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 2:40 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: EDP seeker

 

What's the freaking deal with this?  Hasn't every EDP = that's been built also

been sold?  Why if there is such a SURPLUS of demand does = Gibson not make

more of these beauties?  And why if there are none to be = had does Musician's

Fiend keep teasing me with that damned picture in their = catalog?  I want my

E D P........

 

In the words of Howard = Dean.......Yeeeaaarrhh!!!!

 

 

>Information seems to indicate that there are no -- repeat -- = NO EDP's

>presently available via the retail channel in the = USA.

>The 350 units sitting in a factory in England will be sucked up = instantly

>once they are paid for and = distributed.

> 

>David

 

_________________________________________________________________=

The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE*  =

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------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C4201D.32D2C230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 04:56:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3C8rfi20324; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 04:53:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 04:53:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 04:53:38 -0400 Subject: Re: "Live Looping" From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3164590419_150387" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3164590419_150387 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable beat, warhol=B9s factory, der blaue reiter, cubism, impressionism, rock, harcore, grindcore, glitchcore, idm, dub, roots, Mark=B9s post and this whole topic has me thinking about how movements happen= . Seems like a combination of self-promotion, audacity, and right-place-at-right-time-ism. And/or by having/being/doing something that is genuinely vibrant and touches people somehow in a way that can=B9t be ignored. But not by committee, I don=B9t think. Jimi Hendrix came along and blew the world away. He was definitely an electric guitarist, and he wrote lyrics about the instrument and you could see in much of how he presented himself that it was a huge aspect of him. But he didn=B9t have the impact he had because he played electric guitar, rather than tuba (well maybe he wouldn=B9t have gone quite so far had it been tuba). He had it because he had awesome music and human depth and he put it out there into the world and lived large. A tool=B9s a tool. Tools are great=8B they let us make the things we dream. Loopers, hammers, guitars, paintbrushes. That=B9s it=8B imagine a =B3Paintbrush Festival.=B2 You wouldn=B9t do it that way. You=B9d call it an art festival. My friend Pia says it best-- =B3describe how the music will make me feel when I listen to it.=B2 d --=20 ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 d.ans@rcn.com on 4/11/04 6:36 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: > I've been pondering Andre's departure while away from my e-mail for a wee= k. >=20 > Andre may or may not be uncomfortable sharing a genre with Matthias Grob = and > Rick Walker, but I think there is a fair amount of overlap and in ways th= at > are distinct from a singer-songerwriter using loops on a DL4 for > accompaniment and in ways that are pretty distinct from others I've heard= at > looping festivals such as Richard Zvonar, Matt Davignon, or Amy X Neuburg > (who are all relatively distinct from one another). I think that similari= ty > is potentially apparent to people who aren't familiar with the technology= . > Andre is more aggressive and less ambient in his playing than some but th= ere > are some core similarities stemming from a musical style that grows and > evolves the music as the audience listens. >=20 > But that's where I think the "Live Looping" movement got itself in troubl= e. > There is an aesthetic similarity, but I don't think I've ever heard anyon= e > express what it is. This leaves us with "Live Looping consists of people = who > use loopers live". But that includes the singer-songwriter with the DL4 w= ho > doesn't think of himself as a live looper per se. As Kim (I think) has > pointed out, it makes knowledge that something is a looping event be abou= t > as informative as knowing it's a guitar event or a trombone event. >=20 > So, to really be successful as a promotional tool -- which I think is the > basic reason for trying to define a genre -- there are a couple of things= I > think should happen: >=20 > 1. Someone needs to come up with a definition of the aesthetics and > experience from an audience perspective. >=20 > 2. The name needs some consideration. If there is real audience knowledge= of > live looping then that name may be worth keeping, but it also carries wit= h > it the problem that to use a looper live may not make one a live looper p= er > se. Mark Sottilaro and I started toying with the name "Cycletronica" last > time this came up. He seems to have done more with it than I have. >=20 > I've also been thinking about Loopstock and wondering whether the > potentially anemic showing in Los Osos is symptomatic of a bigger problem= . > Maybe it's just that like me other people have schedule conflicts. I'm > trying to resolve those conflicts, but I haven't managed to do so yet. >=20 > Or are Andre's frustrations taking hold at a broader level? I've found th= e > festivals extremely valuable to me as a player because without them I > wouldn't be playing publicly. But I've also found them a bit frustrating > both as a player and an audience member. For example, as a player, I beco= me > paranoid about getting my rig into a form that will set up and strike ver= y > quickly. That probably results in some useful focus and keeps me from > spending a performance playing with too many toys, but it is also a bit > stressful. And I really would like a soundcheck though the audience > presumably wouldn't. As an audience member, I find it annoying when other= s > haven't worked as hard and the festival turns into a festival of technica= l > difficulties. (As a performer, I can think "there but for the grace of Go= d" > but that wouldn't cut it if I were just an audience member.) >=20 > Is it time to evolve beyond the marathon festival model? To what? How do = we > keep bringing the community together without the stress level burning peo= ple > out? >=20 > Mark >=20 --B_3164590419_150387 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: "Live Looping" beat, warhol’s factory, der blaue reiter, cubism= , impressionism, rock, harcore, grindcore, glitchcore, idm, dub, roots,

Mark’s post and this whole topic has me thinking about how movements = happen. Seems like a combination of self-promotion, audacity, and right-plac= e-at-right-time-ism. And/or by having/being/doing something that is genuinel= y vibrant and touches people somehow in a way that can’t be ignored. B= ut not by committee, I don’t think.

Jimi Hendrix came along and blew the world away. He was definitely an elect= ric guitarist, and he wrote lyrics about the instrument and you could see in= much of how he presented himself that it was a huge aspect of him.

But he didn’t have the impact he had because he played electric guita= r, rather than tuba (well maybe he wouldn’t have gone quite so far had= it been tuba). He had it because he had awesome music and human depth and h= e put it out there into the world and lived large. A tool’s a tool. To= ols are great— they let us make the things we dream.

Loopers, hammers, guitars, paintbrushes. That’s it— imagine a &= #8220;Paintbrush Festival.”   You wouldn’t do it that = way. You’d call it an art festival. My friend Pia says it best-- ̶= 0;describe how the music will make me feel when I listen to it.”


d


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ghost 7 | Orange
http://www.envelopeproductions.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7
d.ans@rcn.com






on 4/11/04 6:36 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote:

I've been pondering Andre's depa= rture while away from my e-mail for a week.

Andre may or may not be uncomfortable sharing a genre with Matthias Grob an= d
Rick Walker, but I think there is a fair amount of overlap and in ways that=
are distinct from a singer-songerwriter using loops on a DL4 for
accompaniment and in ways that are pretty distinct from others I've heard a= t
looping festivals such as Richard Zvonar, Matt Davignon, or Amy X Neuburg (who are all relatively distinct from one another). I think that similarity=
is potentially apparent to people who aren't familiar with the technology.<= BR> Andre is more aggressive and less ambient in his playing than some but ther= e
are some core similarities stemming from a musical style that grows and
evolves the music as the audience listens.

But that's where I think the "Live Looping" movement got itself i= n trouble.
There is an aesthetic similarity, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone<= BR> express what it is. This leaves us with "Live Looping consists of peop= le who
use loopers live". But that includes the singer-songwriter with the DL= 4 who
doesn't think of himself as a live looper per se. As Kim (I think) has
pointed out, it makes knowledge that something is a looping event be about<= BR> as informative as knowing it's a guitar event or a trombone event.

So, to really be successful as a promotional tool -- which I think is the basic reason for trying to define a genre -- there are a couple of things I=
think should happen:

1. Someone needs to come up with a definition of the aesthetics and
experience from an audience perspective.

2. The name needs some consideration. If there is real audience knowledge o= f
live looping then that name may be worth keeping, but it also carries with<= BR> it the problem that to use a looper live may not make one a live looper per=
se. Mark Sottilaro and I started toying with the name "Cycletronica&qu= ot; last
time this came up. He seems to have done more with it than I have.

I've also been thinking about Loopstock and wondering whether the
potentially anemic showing in Los Osos is symptomatic of a bigger problem.<= BR> Maybe it's just that like me other people have schedule conflicts. I'm
trying to resolve those conflicts, but I haven't managed to do so yet.

Or are Andre's frustrations taking hold at a broader level? I've found the<= BR> festivals extremely valuable to me as a player because without them I
wouldn't be playing publicly. But I've also found them a bit frustrating both as a player and an audience member. For example, as a player, I become=
paranoid about getting my rig into a form that will set up and strike very<= BR> quickly. That probably results in some useful focus and keeps me from
spending a performance playing with too many toys, but it is also a bit
stressful. And I really would like a soundcheck though the audience
presumably wouldn't. As an audience member, I find it annoying when others<= BR> haven't worked as hard and the festival turns into a festival of technical<= BR> difficulties. (As a performer, I can think "there but for the grace of= God"
but that wouldn't cut it if I were just an audience member.)

Is it time to evolve beyond the marathon festival model? To what? How do we=
keep bringing the community together without the stress level burning peopl= e
out?

Mark


 --B_3164590419_150387-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 05:00:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3C8xMj21032; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 04:59:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 04:59:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:59:15 +0200 Subject: Re: "Live Looping" From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Since I've been thinking a lot on this I'm finding this thread very interesting. Thank you everyone for great posts! On 04-04-12 00.36, "Mark Hamburg" wrote: > 1. Someone needs to come up with a definition of the aesthetics and > experience from an audience perspective. Yes, it's actually a bit bizarre that we, as musicians, should come up with a name for the style of music we do. It has always surprised me how different people experience "music" - it's obviously all in the ear of the listener. When I listen to Andre's latest record I hear "fusion" and "funk" played by a skilled musician using the meta instrument made up by a guitar, an echoplex and a guitar amplifier - and delivered with a well defined attitude. When I listen to Matthias Grob's record I hear "brilliant group improvisation". When I listen to Rick Walkers records I hear "sophisticated and funny beats". When I listen to Ted Killians record I hear "screaming beautiful craziness". I must say that it hardly passed my mind that looping plays a big part in these four examples. And I guess a non musician listener couldn't care less. The more you play the more you realise that listeners never experience the music the way you expected them to. Here there is a big gap between the musician and the audience and this is exactly what we, traditionally, need record labels for. Record labels is an industry specialized in putting understandable labels on artists output. In the modern society and market this step is as important as the first step - the artist creating the actual expressive outlet. Yes, it's true that the increase of styles and sub genres of today has diminished the record labels role as "the curator", but the need for "an interpreter" for the masses is as big as ever. And this is not a job anyone can easily pick up right away to "pass over the middle man" and "go indie". I think Andre's talk about "turntablism" is a brilliant example of a good presentation trick. Not a musical style per se, more of a branding needed to come across in public. On 04-04-12 02.48, "hazard factor" wrote: > Defining what *you* do is the hard part. For me, I usually tailor my > response to the venue. There's another strategy that works. But in the long run, and if putting CDs out, I think it's better to have a name, with some staying power, for what you're doing. Personally I agree with Phill Wilson (great post BTW) that "live looping" is a technique or a tool. (I'm using the four CD examples only because I have come across good recordings from these peoples) Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 05:46:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3C9jTP26953; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 05:45:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 05:45:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A4FB4D4.4070809@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:36:04 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Deejays, please give your contribute ! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Per Boysen wrote: >Yes, it's actually a bit bizarre that we, as musicians, should come up with a name for the style of music we do. Ok, as a long time member of LD, I think I read about this need of labelling what we do since maybe year number one. ( I still think an instrument - the looper - cannot be involved in the name of a style) So, I think that with Per's comment we've finally came up to an important point: we maybe have to put ourselves out of this discussion and provide the music, the thoughts and the *movement* to people who are going to be the ones who actually *use* the definition we're trying to reach. Djs ? Journalists ? Are we able to agree on 10/15 text lines that express what we want to give a name to ? Are we able to collect 7/10 songs that could touch and set the different borders in between our "style" moves ? Are we able to send this package to the journalists and Djs we know and ask them for a feedback ? We also have some deejays here (Mike Hansen, Bill Fox), why don't you give us an helpful tip ? Shame on me if I put my wrong 2 cents on it but, once again, this discussion is looping on itself showing our irresistible attitude.... ;-) luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 05:50:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3C8lpd19530; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 04:47:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 04:47:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040412084745.46998.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 01:47:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: "Live Looping" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003a01c42020$fa4fe9c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Allright so explain this ti me, if it can be called heavy metal why can´t it be call fuzzbox or distortion music? Sarcasm mode = out of order Louie > Hmmmm....... let me see.... naming a genre of music > that requires specific > capabilities derived from any of a number of devices > that is used to create > the music.... I have it!!! FuzzBox Music!!! > > Sarcasm mode = off > > Is there such a thing as wah-wah music?? > > I have sympathy with the desire to have something > that consolidates music > with loops in it, but if you can find a term that > will cover Classical, > Opera, Jazz, Rock, Hip-Hop, Country and Folk, then I > definitely want to know > it! > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Hamburg" > To: "Looper's Delight" > > Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 6:36 PM > Subject: "Live Looping" > > > > I've been pondering Andre's departure while away > from my e-mail for a > week. > > > > Andre may or may not be uncomfortable sharing a > genre with Matthias Grob > and > > Rick Walker, but I think there is a fair amount of > overlap and in ways > that > > are distinct from a singer-songerwriter using > loops on a DL4 for > > accompaniment and in ways that are pretty distinct > from others I've heard > at > > looping festivals such as Richard Zvonar, Matt > Davignon, or Amy X Neuburg > > (who are all relatively distinct from one > another). I think that > similarity > > is potentially apparent to people who aren't > familiar with the technology. > > Andre is more aggressive and less ambient in his > playing than some but > there > > are some core similarities stemming from a musical > style that grows and > > evolves the music as the audience listens. > > > > But that's where I think the "Live Looping" > movement got itself in > trouble. > > There is an aesthetic similarity, but I don't > think I've ever heard anyone > > express what it is. This leaves us with "Live > Looping consists of people > who > > use loopers live". But that includes the > singer-songwriter with the DL4 > who > > doesn't think of himself as a live looper per se. > As Kim (I think) has > > pointed out, it makes knowledge that something is > a looping event be about > > as informative as knowing it's a guitar event or a > trombone event. > > > > So, to really be successful as a promotional tool > -- which I think is the > > basic reason for trying to define a genre -- there > are a couple of things > I > > think should happen: > > > > 1. Someone needs to come up with a definition of > the aesthetics and > > experience from an audience perspective. > > > > 2. The name needs some consideration. If there is > real audience knowledge > of > > live looping then that name may be worth keeping, > but it also carries with > > it the problem that to use a looper live may not > make one a live looper > per > > se. Mark Sottilaro and I started toying with the > name "Cycletronica" last > > time this came up. He seems to have done more with > it than I have. > > > > I've also been thinking about Loopstock and > wondering whether the > > potentially anemic showing in Los Osos is > symptomatic of a bigger problem. > > Maybe it's just that like me other people have > schedule conflicts. I'm > > trying to resolve those conflicts, but I haven't > managed to do so yet. > > > > Or are Andre's frustrations taking hold at a > broader level? I've found the > > festivals extremely valuable to me as a player > because without them I > > wouldn't be playing publicly. But I've also found > them a bit frustrating > > both as a player and an audience member. For > example, as a player, I > become > > paranoid about getting my rig into a form that > will set up and strike very > > quickly. That probably results in some useful > focus and keeps me from > > spending a performance playing with too many toys, > but it is also a bit > > stressful. And I really would like a soundcheck > though the audience > > presumably wouldn't. As an audience member, I find > it annoying when others > > haven't worked as hard and the festival turns into > a festival of technical > > difficulties. (As a performer, I can think "there > but for the grace of > God" > > but that wouldn't cut it if I were just an > audience member.) > > > > Is it time to evolve beyond the marathon festival > model? To what? How do > we > > keep bringing the community together without the > stress level burning > people > > out? > > > > Mark > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 06:10:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3C99Cg22317; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 05:09:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 05:09:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:09:06 +0200 Subject: Re: "Live Looping" From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3C99Co22293 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-12 10.53, "Dan Soltzberg" wrote: > > friend Pia says it best-- ³describe how the music will make me feel when I > listen to it.² > > > d > Well said :-) Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 06:19:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CAHcj31320; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:17:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:17:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040412101732.47647.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:17:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: "Live Looping in italy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Folks, I just want to share my expierence playing last thursday in Italy with you.It usually takes about 5 to 6 hours to drive from konstanz Germany to Brescia Italy but due to a nightmarish eastern traffic jam driving through the city of Milano(and getting a bit lost upon arriving) it took me about 9hrs.! I got there just in time to basically connect all my gear,wash my sweaty face have a drink and a quick bite and start playing.I personally felt a bit exhausted and unconcentrated during my performance but somehow i got through it. But what made this a very special night was the support and hospitality of Luca Formentini and his lovely girl,they guided me,waited patiently for me,and made everything run smooth once i got there.He also made me relax before the show and made everything possible for me to get the best italian treatment! He is truly a wonderful host and i recomend anybody planning on playing in northern italy to get in touch with him. But basically the point i would like to make here is how he is organizing this movement in italy.He is bringing individual looper-musicians with press publicity,acomodations and freedom to perform your set however you want to present it.This give you also the opportunity to set all the gear you need to feel comfortable, and the audiece get a chance to recognize you better as an individual artist. The publicity that was made on the flyers by the Club owners described the show as unguitar,ambient and lounge music.Weather i accompish this, you should probably ask Luca who was in the audience,but is obvious that the club owners are using this terms to draw their people because unless there is an expanation of it,it is uncertain how people are going to interpret the term looping in a flyer. Anyway instead of going into a discussion of a term i would like to rather give a few suggestions and ideas i am buliding from personal experiences that might help our presentation: -make sure you get an idea in what kind of club you are playing i.e. a bar,Disco,theater etc. and find out what kind of audiences they draw. -Send your promo material describing what you are doing briefly and to the point simplified enough so that even your grandma can understand it;-)Remeber that a lot of times club owners might not exactly know what you mean and they won´t risk putting an abstract term in there. The club hast to get the people in and make money.This is the reality! -make yourself flyers that explain briefly the concept of looping,history etc. so people start getting informed about what we are doing. On the livelooping website there was a very good description of this.Print it out take them with you and ask the club owners if you can just set them on every table. -Try to get them to send you the already printed out promo flyer description of your show.This may help you know what audiences have read about you and expectations and plan you concept better before the show. -Try if possible (and don´t kill me for this) to adapt your show to this audiences.If there is a word in the publicity that says "lounge" well what a hell, give it a try even if you didn´t plan on it or is not on your set list!(Luca sorry if i forgot this!) -Find out before you drive far away (or to another country) how the traffic is going to be there and what hours to avoid.Find out the weather conditions as well.Sitting in a traffic jam for an hour an a half with heat and exhaust gases from trucks cutting it close before your show can drive you nuts!(i Have learned my lesson;-) -Print out all telephone numbers,hotel directions, etc. and don´t go anywhere without a mobile phone! -prepare your gear for the least amount of hassles,xtra cables,foreign adaptors etc. -record your performances or ask the Soundtech to do it for you. And last but not least know that "success is piece of mind knowing you did your best" Cheers Louie > But that's where I think the "Live Looping" movement > got itself in trouble. > There is an aesthetic similarity, but I don't think > I've ever heard anyone > express what it is. This leaves us with "Live > Looping consists of people who > use loopers live". But that includes the > singer-songwriter with the DL4 who > doesn't think of himself as a live looper per se. As > Kim (I think) has > pointed out, it makes knowledge that something is a > looping event be about > as informative as knowing it's a guitar event or a > trombone event. > > So, to really be successful as a promotional tool -- > which I think is the > basic reason for trying to define a genre -- there > are a couple of things I > think should happen: > > 1. Someone needs to come up with a definition of the > aesthetics and > experience from an audience perspective. > > 2. The name needs some consideration. If there is > real audience knowledge of > live looping then that name may be worth keeping, > but it also carries with > it the problem that to use a looper live may not > make one a live looper per > se. Mark Sottilaro and I started toying with the > name "Cycletronica" last > time this came up. He seems to have done more with > it than I have. > > I've also been thinking about Loopstock and > wondering whether the > potentially anemic showing in Los Osos is > symptomatic of a bigger problem. > Maybe it's just that like me other people have > schedule conflicts. I'm > trying to resolve those conflicts, but I haven't > managed to do so yet. > > Or are Andre's frustrations taking hold at a broader > level? I've found the > festivals extremely valuable to me as a player > because without them I > wouldn't be playing publicly. But I've also found > them a bit frustrating > both as a player and an audience member. For > example, as a player, I become > paranoid about getting my rig into a form that will > set up and strike very > quickly. That probably results in some useful focus > and keeps me from > spending a performance playing with too many toys, > but it is also a bit > stressful. And I really would like a soundcheck > though the audience > presumably wouldn't. As an audience member, I find > it annoying when others > haven't worked as hard and the festival turns into a > festival of technical > difficulties. (As a performer, I can think "there > but for the grace of God" > but that wouldn't cut it if I were just an audience > member.) > > Is it time to evolve beyond the marathon festival > model? To what? How do we > keep bringing the community together without the > stress level burning people > out? > > Mark > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 06:21:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CAKC431650; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:20:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:20:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c42078$4bf665e0$0200a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: Subject: Re: "Live Looping" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:24:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been thinking on how to contribute to this discussion for a while now and in the end i've come to the conclusion that for me Livelooping is not a music-style per se, but a well defined technique that is applied to the various musicstyles that are around. That is, what bindes this community together in my point of view is the technique that we all use in one form or the other and not the style of music we create. This i think makes Livelooping as a concept and technique very "romantic" for both audiences and beginner-, pro-musicians. Because it combines, in my eyes and ears, any style of music in the Live temporal dimension and opens up the possibilites to improvise on the spot, alone or in group, instead of beeing bound by the parameters of pre-sequenced / pre-recorded music. Of course one can argue the much of the digital music made today can't be live-looped but i strongly withhold that it can, in one way or the other, just maybe not in the easiest way. But hey, if you want to make it easy on your self then just put a cd-player on stage and press play. Then on top of that, different hardware just gives the musician different degrees of freedom and whether he/she uses a overdubbing-delay with buffer callback, undo, cut, reverse-capabilities or a midi sequencer in record & overdub mode, does not really matter, the common nominator is still that in all its simplicity, it loops and can be overdubbed in one way or the other. In short: Livelooping is a technique that can be applied to any kind of music to give the musician the possibilities to perform multi-layered music in the simplest way possible while still retaining the freedom and spirit of improvisation. Does this make any sense? Anyway, that's how i see it and that's how i explain it to others. ;) /Tias (Btw, the VST-looping-plugin is a bit delayed but it's getting closer to beta-mode almost every day.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:09 AM Subject: Re: "Live Looping" > On 04-04-12 10.53, "Dan Soltzberg" wrote: > > > > > friend Pia says it best-- ³describe how the music will make me feel when I > > listen to it.² > > > > > > d > > > > > Well said :-) > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > -- > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 06:36:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CAXaP01823; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:33:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:33:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c42079$96055500$e0154ed5@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20040412101732.47647.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: "Live Looping in italy" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:33:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>But what made this a very special night was the support and hospitality of Luca Formentini and his lovely girl,they guided me,waited patiently for me,and made everything run smooth once i got there.He also made me relax before the show and made everything possible for me to get the best italian treatment! He is truly a wonderful host and i recomend anybody planning on playing in northern italy to get in touch with him.<<< I'll second that - Luca and Giovanna's hospitality is now legendary, the gigs he books are always fascinating, his CD collection is a treasure trove of gems, and his guitar playing is pretty damn fine too! I'm hugely grateful to Luca for his friendship and advocacy over the last year - I've done a few gigs in Italy now, all because of Luca, and made some good friends there. Oh, and you REALLY ought to get a copy of Luca's CD - head over to www.unguitar.com and pick one up - the music is a mixture of tonal guitar stuff and foundsound/manipulated noise, beautifully recorded, very spacious. Inspiring stuff. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 06:59:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CAvu507493; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:57:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:57:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 05:19:12 -0400 Subject: Re: "Live Looping" From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3164591952_213795" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3164591952_213795 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable And yet (to reply to my own post, which seems like a form of looping, doesn=B9t it!), when I came back to the US from Japan in 2001 and saw =B3Bass Looping Festival=B2 on the marquee of the Capitol Theater in Santa Cruz, that definitely had a meaning to me. Too bad I was a week too late to catch the fun, but point is, it does mean something to a number of people=8Bmyself included--to use =B3looping=B2 as a descriptive term. But maybe for the people who aren=B9t practicioners, they don=B9t care so much how we do it=8B they care how it sounds and how it makes them feel. Like fer instance, there was a review in a local rock rag about a live CD I made at a gig with Orange (Dave K, you were actually at that show=8B you played a set too). It=B9s a pretty wild set of songs, considering the only instrument besides drums and vox was a 4-string bass, but the reviewer didn=B9t mention how it was done, even though I made that very clear on the CD, (because it=B9s something I=B9m kind of proud of). Nope, he just talked about how it was dreamy, gothic, ambient, or whatever, and complained that it wasn=B9t Kiss or AC/DC. d --=20 ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 on 4/12/04 4:53 AM, Dan Soltzberg at d.ans@rcn.com wrote: > beat, warhol=B9s factory, der blaue reiter, cubism, impressionism, rock, > harcore, grindcore, glitchcore, idm, dub, roots, >=20 > Mark=B9s post and this whole topic has me thinking about how movements happ= en. > Seems like a combination of self-promotion, audacity, and > right-place-at-right-time-ism. And/or by having/being/doing something tha= t is > genuinely vibrant and touches people somehow in a way that can=B9t be ignor= ed. > But not by committee, I don=B9t think. >=20 > Jimi Hendrix came along and blew the world away. He was definitely an ele= ctric > guitarist, and he wrote lyrics about the instrument and you could see in = much > of how he presented himself that it was a huge aspect of him. >=20 > But he didn=B9t have the impact he had because he played electric guitar, r= ather > than tuba (well maybe he wouldn=B9t have gone quite so far had it been tuba= ). He > had it because he had awesome music and human depth and he put it out the= re > into the world and lived large. A tool=B9s a tool. Tools are great=8B they le= t us > make the things we dream. >=20 > Loopers, hammers, guitars, paintbrushes. That=B9s it=8B imagine a =B3Paintbrush > Festival.=B2 You wouldn=B9t do it that way. You=B9d call it an art festival. = My > friend Pia says it best-- =B3describe how the music will make me feel when = I > listen to it.=B2 >=20 >=20 > d >=20 --B_3164591952_213795 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: "Live Looping" And yet (to reply to my own post, which seems like a f= orm of looping, doesn’t it!), when I came back to the US from Japan in= 2001 and saw “Bass Looping Festival” on the marquee of the Capi= tol Theater in Santa Cruz, that definitely had a meaning to me. Too bad I wa= s a week too late to catch the fun, but point is, it does mean something to = a number of people—myself included--to use “looping” as a = descriptive term. But maybe for the people who aren’t practicioners, t= hey don’t care so much how we do it— they care how it sounds and= how it makes them feel.

Like fer instance, there was a review in a local rock rag about a live CD I= made at a gig with Orange (Dave K, you were actually at that show— yo= u played a set too). It’s a pretty wild set of songs, considering the = only instrument besides drums and vox was a 4-string bass, but the reviewer = didn’t mention how it was done, even though I made that very clear on = the CD, (because it’s something I’m kind of proud of). Nope, he = just talked about how it was dreamy, gothic, ambient, or whatever, and compl= ained that it wasn’t Kiss or AC/DC.


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on 4/12/04 4:53 AM, Dan Soltzberg at d.ans@rcn.com wrote:

beat, warhol’s factory, der b= laue reiter, cubism, impressionism, rock, harcore, grindcore, glitchcore, id= m, dub, roots,

Mark’s post and this whole topic has me thinking about how movements = happen. Seems like a combination of self-promotion, audacity, and right-plac= e-at-right-time-ism. And/or by having/being/doing something that is genuinel= y vibrant and touches people somehow in a way that can’t be ignored. B= ut not by committee, I don’t think.

Jimi Hendrix came along and blew the world away. He was definitely an elect= ric guitarist, and he wrote lyrics about the instrument and you could see in= much of how he presented himself that it was a huge aspect of him.

But he didn’t have the impact he had because he played electric guita= r, rather than tuba (well maybe he wouldn’t have gone quite so far had= it been tuba). He had it because he had awesome music and human depth and h= e put it out there into the world and lived large. A tool’s a tool. To= ols are great— they let us make the things we dream.

Loopers, hammers, guitars, paintbrushes. That’s it— imagine a &= #8220;Paintbrush Festival.”   You wouldn’t do it that = way. You’d call it an art festival. My friend Pia says it best-- ̶= 0;describe how the music will make me feel when I listen to it.”


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 --B_3164591952_213795-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 07:26:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CBOQH13845; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:24:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:24:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c42080$b157a3b0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: "Live Looping" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:24:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:59 AM Subject: Re: "Live Looping" > Hi, > > Since I've been thinking a lot on this I'm finding this thread very > interesting. Thank you everyone for great posts! > > On 04-04-12 00.36, "Mark Hamburg" wrote: > > > 1. Someone needs to come up with a definition of the aesthetics and > > experience from an audience perspective. > > Yes, it's actually a bit bizarre that we, as musicians, should come up with > a name for the style of music we do. It has always surprised me how > different people experience "music" - it's obviously all in the ear of the > listener. I've held back on this topic in the past. But I would have to agree via experience of a similar sort. When I was finished doing what I considered my first "CD-able" collection, the "Songs from a Tunnel" one, I began putting together pieces that still stuck to the "place song" idea but weren't part of a collection. For instance the "Tunnel" pieces are ALL about things that happened up at the East Fork/Shoemaker Canyon tunnels, with names like "The Way Up", "Sunrise" and so on. My titles I thought reflected what was in my mind when I was composing and playing the songs attached to them. A dear friend of mine who lived nearby would be invited over to hear the pieces when I was happy enough with 'em to consider them gelled enough. In every case he agreed with me that I had produced soundtrack points for those trips up there that we'd both been on, in title and content. When I started playing the pieces after the "Tunnel" ones for my friend, this effect did not occur! I had for example a piece I considered a kind of digital serenade to a woman I'd only corresponded to via email. My friend however had a different take: He thought it the soundtrack for a man/hunter/brave "getting ready for the hunt". I was furious and told him so right then, with a great deal of um, energy. He held up his hands and said "HEY MAN, You WANTED my OPINION!" Indeed I had asked for it, and it wasn't the one I expected. I was chagrined and apologized. In retrospect now, I realize that his assessments of what the songs were about coincided with mine, when these were not only about shared experiences, but when my friend already knew they were about shared experiences, via my words and the titles. When they were not about them, and presented to not be about them, the opinion expressed did not coincide with mine. In this regard I never stopped appreciating the pictures that come into peoples' heads when they hear my stuff, especially since I stopped expecting the same reaction I had to them. I had initially thought of it along the lines of making an abstract painting of the Seine with Notre Dame only to have someone think it was a picture of Pittsburgh, dig? I realize now this was a kind of intellectualist bigotry-in-process. When I eliminated this expectation, a box into which I perhaps wished to cram listeners into, I ceased having a care what people thought of the work. This didn't mean that it became sloppy, that I didn't care what it sounded like. I think you get what I mean there. I believe that when I stopped giving a hoot about what people thought of the work, it became more approaching Art, so to speak. On that level I would have to wonder that perhaps it would be better for us to concentrate more on the contents of the jar we're filling, than on the label we're going to put on it afterwards... Perhaps it would be better for us to just bite the bullet and let the folks we don't think are hip enough to appreciate our music 'properly' to come up with a lame-o label of their own that they can ALL associate our work with. I still really can't stand the word "ambient", though "new age" is much worse for me, and "electronica" isn't accurate really; "experimental" is the one I still like the best, but of course this is less than market-friendly (or really market-hostile to an extent). I think "looping" as a term is confusing to 99.9% of most folks. Film and TV soundtrack people think of a "loop" as something else than we're used to. Regular folks think of a loop as purposefully repetitive, whether it's made of rubber or tape, right? It perhaps introduces the listener to aspects of the mechanics of making our music which they neither need nor want to know about. Such is intriguing only to gear-heads, not to the listeners who are supposed to be persuadable to buy our music. So I think I'll dither around and call my work "place songs", "pseudo-environmental", and "situational" for now, and let someone else come up with something else I'll probably disagree with for the moment, but that folks may well recognize the work better with. I still have an ambition to play dressed like Dr. Frank Forrester one of these days, as a tribute to that anti-market attitude. All this before my second cup of coffee. Go figure! Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 09:44:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CDfwV01866; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:41:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:41:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.136.26.230] X-Originating-Email: [shattered_galaxy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: shattered_galaxy@hotmail.com From: "Neil T. Loehlein" To: Subject: Reverse Looping w/ Gibson Echoplex Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:44:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C42005.C1A8B180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2004 13:41:52.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[E975CF70:01C42093] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C42005.C1A8B180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i'm sorry, my question may have been misinterpreted. i need to know = whether it is possible to throw the initial loop in reverse, keeping it = in reverse the whole while reverse overdubs are placed over it. I need = to know if the direction of the loop and consecutive overdubs is = independent. what i don't want to have to do is keep switching the loop = forward and reverse in a live performance in order to get the loop and = all it's overdubs in reverse fashion. (example: throw loop in = reverse--without changing direction of loop at all, lay overdubs in = reverse in top of initial loop) does this clarify? thanks,=20 neil ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C42005.C1A8B180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i'm sorry, my question may have been=20 misinterpreted.  i need to know whether it is possible to throw the = initial=20 loop in reverse, keeping it in reverse the whole while reverse overdubs = are=20 placed over it.  I need to know if the direction of the loop and=20 consecutive overdubs is independent.  what i don't want to have to = do is=20 keep switching the loop forward and reverse in a live performance in = order to=20 get the loop and all it's overdubs in reverse fashion. (example: = throw loop=20 in reverse--without changing direction of loop at = all, lay overdubs in=20 reverse in top of initial loop) does this clarify?
thanks,
neil
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C42005.C1A8B180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 09:56:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CDsPm03482; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:54:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:54:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:54:18 +0200 Subject: Re: Reverse Looping w/ Gibson Echoplex From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-12 03.44, "Neil T. Loehlein" wrote: > i'm sorry, my question may have been misinterpreted. i need to know whether > it is possible to throw the initial loop in reverse, keeping it in reverse the > whole while reverse overdubs are placed over it. I need to know if the > direction of the loop and consecutive overdubs is independent. what i don't > want to have to do is keep switching the loop forward and reverse in a live > performance in order to get the loop and all it's overdubs in reverse fashion. > (example: throw loop in reverse--without changing direction of loop at all, > lay overdubs in reverse in top of initial loop) does this clarify? > thanks, > neil > You seem to already know it! :-) The echoplex is a mono looper and if you want one layer of a loop to be reversed, related to earlier layers, you will have to first reverse the loop before recording the new layer and then reverse it back again. It seems to me that a Repeater can meet your expectations better. (I personally like the EDP better, but that's just my way of using it in my own music) Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 10:12:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CCsfE27765; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:54:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:54:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c4208d$4e9239e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: LIVE LOOPING my own personal history Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 05:54:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <2B4PzB.A.vxG.QGpeAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since I have been one very strong advocate for the whole "Live Looping" concept , I wanted to weigh in on this fascinating discussion with an explanation of why I have personally fought for that particular semantic concept and tried, really hard to promote it. In order to explain this I just wanted to go on record about how I got involved and why I started becoming enamored of this term, Live Looping to describe what I and a few others were doing, only in our home town (not even knowing that there were others, like Miko B, just across our own town who were doing similar things until much later). In our beginnings with using looping gear live in front of a paying audience, when my brother Bill, Gary Regina and I were first enamored of using our brand new, 1993 circa Lexicon Jammans, I was fascinated by the concept of layering lots of (what were then very static) loops on top of each other. As a percussionist drummer and fledgling bassist/keyboardist/found sound enthusiast) I could make really interesting ambient or rhythmic loops and build a rather sophisticated piece of music that grew do to it's layered sophistication as opposed to the dominant paradigm of the day: sophistication through technical brilliance, mastery of one's 'axe' or adherance to particular styles of music. Personally, this allowed me to give myself permission to start learning very modest motifs and riffs on instruments that I had no business playing on stage in a older paradigm live performance. Just needing to know enough to record a single loop, this radically widened my timbral and melodic and harmonic palette. This was very, very exciting for me (and scary to, I might add, because I always ran the risk of the judgement of more accomplished musicians). For me, this began a whole new phase of thinking about music and was tremendously liberating for me. It was all I wanted to do (much to the chagrin of a lot of more typical local musicians who thought it was a shame that I was eschewing my former great love of the drumset and ethnic multi-percussion) but I was faced with a dilemma in my desire to play more gigs: How could I publicize them? The people coming to see what we were doing didn't know what they were seeing or hearing. They were enjoying the music a lot because we were able to create pretty cool psychedelic ambiances and layered percussion/bass/guitar/wind instrument loops to then play over the top of but I would find myself constantly explaining to people who would come up and enquire about the gear we were using. I've been a gear head all of my life and I have played hundreds of exotic percussion instruments and electronic drums, but I had never had the kind of response to my gear, specifically, as I was having after these initial shows...........I had already played professional for over 20 years in public and I was bowled over by the audience response to what we were attempting. I also discovered that when we approached venues about doing such shows that , despite the fact that we had been the leaders of some of the most successful bands in the past 15 years in Santa Cruz, that we still had to describe to bookers and publicistst and journalists and radio DJs what we were doing and justify it's difference from what we had played before. If we didn't explain what we were doing and why it differentiated from what we had done before, they just weren't interested and wouldn't publicize our gigs. I was faced with a dilemma, because I was completely enamored with the whole concept of minimalistic repitition and loops but I also realized that the rap and pop and film score world were full of "loop/sample" conciousness. What distinquished what we were doing from other music in our area was that we were doing it live in a way that was much more maleable in real time that just triggering pre-sampled or recorded loops. What we were doing was a bit more dangerous because we ran the danger of fucking up in front of an audience in a way that triggering pre sampled loops didn't represent. Consequently I didn't want to call it LOOP MUSIC. I wanted to draw a distinction. Anyway, I also discovered, from having done a ton of music business publicity for all of my own bands I led over the years, that it would not work to have to use two or three sentences to describe what we were doing. We had to come up with a publicity hook. What I discovered (by trying different approaches that all failed miserably) was that I needed a two word description that would at least provoke another question or two from the audience member, journalist or DJ who was enquiring. I'm not sure when Loopers Delight was started, but I was not a member at the time so I was considering these things in the vacuum of my own home town. There were only three of us doing it (to my provincial and limited knowledge). Anyway, I started using the term Live Looping. I don't claim to have invented it before anyone else (I'm sure I didn't, in fact) but I invented it for us in our insular musical situation. When I first discovered the CT Collective and started coming to Loopers Delight I discovered this amazing community of people who were just as turned on to this looping concept that I was. I was in heaven and felt like a religious convert (obnoxious whenever it happens but highly effective for prosletyzing.........lol) I actually subsribed earlier to L.D. but was brand new to the internet and had no concept of setting up a daily digest or e-mail filters. I think I got 40 or 50 individual e-mails from the list the first day or two I was subscribed and I hastily unsubscribed and didn't come back for another couple of years. Anyway, Steve Lawson and I started corresponding because of the list and he said he was coming to the West Coast and could I get him a gig. Steve had absolutely no draw in this area at all and I knew that I had to come up with some good publicity hook to interest people in his performance. We publicized the fact that he was doing bass looping to the press and to the list and got an incredible response, including a slew of bass players in the area who were intrigued about what we were doing and asked if they could participate. I had booked a little venue that held 45 people and the response was so great that I quickly scratched that idea and went to the Rio Theatre to ask if they would host a festival............contacted a bunch of the bassists and the first Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz was born. LIVE LOOPING described what we were doing, but, more importantly, it provided a very strong publicity hook that really seemed to intrigue the journalists and DJs of our area. We began to get covers of newspapers, lengthy interviews on the radio (hell, Steve, Max Valentino and I performed on the largest internet radio station on the planet using that term........which just happened to be in neighboring Watsonville---KPIG). It was a hook that caught on quicker than any musical publicity campaign that I've ever been involved with it (and I was really into publicizing the early Santa Cruz New Wave movement and the early Santa Cruz World Beat movement in years past, which also got a lot of press in our area). It seems to work here and in the Bay Area, so I kept using it. It doesn't define me, musically ( I do lots of avante garde gigs, acoustic gigs, found sound gigs, all vocal gigs, funk gigs, jazz gigs, pop gigs, singer songwriter gigs, world fusion gigs)...........It's just a term I use when I want to try and sell an audience (or print journalists and radio DJs) on a gig where I am primarily working with live looping gear. The funny thing is that throughout all of our endless debates on the subject (some people think it's bullshit to describe this as a style of music or an accurate description of a living community..............some people feel really at home with it) Luis Angulo writes the list yesterday and titles his subject LIVE LOOPING IN ITALY, and, guess, what: we all either tune into it or we tune out of it. Think about it though, using that term is descriptive enough to get one to either read his post with interest or delete it with disgust (lol, not me Luis). Andre LaFosse doesn't feel represented by the term, nor does Mark Sottilaro..................that's really okay: Guitar Turntablism or Cycletronica are equally suspect titles and require lots of explanation to even understand by an uncomprehending public, but that's not the point..........................they either work for these artists as a way of getting people interested in hearing their music or they don't. Live Looping isnt' the end all or be all term for what we do. How could we use any term that represents the total commonality of this community...............we are too diverse. It's just a term that enough artists have agreed to that if someday what we do here in the totality of our experience at Loopers Delight and LiveLooping.com and the Cycletronica tribe at tribe.net has an effect on the greater musical world we can say , with some pride, that we were part of it. Even if we have very small numbers................even a small percentage of all who participate at Loopers Delight, it is what it is merely because we say it is and feel an allegiance to it. There were a lot of well known painters lumped in with the Impressionists in the late nineteenth century who hated the term and felt like they were not a part of any movement. A lot of artists don't like the idea of being joiners in ANY movement. That's totally normal in any population of artists. We tend to be iconoclasts.............hopefully, that's once reason why we can be innovative as artists. History and critics and fans lumped them in anyway , though, and their painting are in the Impressionist exhibits in Paris to this day. They also sold a lot of CDs......................errrrrr, paintings because of it. Andre, as an example of an artist that I really like and whose work I think is important, could not do what he does without the particular sophistication of the Echoplex with Loop IV software, which is a looping instrument primarily designed for live playing. I"m not saying that he wouldn't be brilliant and innovative in any thing he attempted musically...........I know he can be. I'm also not saying that he should only use that particularly paradigm for creating music in the future: I could care less (except to hear, with eagerness, what he comes up with), but he has used a looping device in a live setting to create much of what he has put out to the world. He might be really pissed off that someone would refer to him as a live looper but it wouldn't be far off the mark for someone to do so. If some people consider him a 'live looping' artist (to his chagrin) and like his work, he will still make some of the money he truly deserves for his art. If some people consider him a 'guitar turntablist', the same thing will occur, hopefully. Okay, enough wind from me.................I'm still going to produce 'live looping festivals' to try and entice more artists to participate and share with each other. I am a joiner. I like to belong. It's not for everybody. If the Andre LaFosses and Mark Sottilaro's of Loopers Delight (who may outweigh the Matthias Grobs and Rick Walkers) don't want to be a part of it, I'm really fine with that. I just hope we can stay friends and have mutual respect for each other. It's not a perfect world so it might not happen, but that's my hope. I"m going to keep producing the occasionally so called Live Looping Festivals. I hope everyone gets to experience one because they are a joyous and creative and stimulating celebration of a lot of what we represent in this ragtag community at Loopers Delight. If it's not your thing, I respect that too. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 11:12:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CF8k712953; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:08:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:08:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <407AAEC4.50305@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:59:16 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Live Looping in italy" References: <20040412101732.47647.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040412101732.47647.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know if I write like THIS corresponds to screaming, so: DURING THESE YEARS MEETING YOU GUYS HAS ALWAYS MEANT TO MEET REAL UNIQUE HUMAN BEINGS. I've been lucky, all you who came here are really lovely people. is this maybe a *looper* quality ? About Louie's considerations: Each time a gig is done, we use several terms to promote it; "unguitar" was choosen by the main organizer just because he liked it (and he knew about my website), but the other words: "Ambient" and "Lounge" were put just to try to give a better idea of the "mood" the concert was purposing. In Italy talking about "looping" corresponds to using a term that people (even most of the musicians) don't know. Louie's gig was great and he did a good work trying to keep people's attention by talking to them, which I think is a very important thing to consider if you want to stimulate a listener and get a contact with him/her. Maybe you don't know how much these gigs are representing in terms of widening people's ears. The only live music happening here (beside big concerts) is people playing covers. I think that the people owning a music place here are starting to realize what a commitment, what a dedication and will of getting this music heard there is behind all the *loopers* who came here. This is a good thing. When thinking about a name, please consider this will have to be used also by us, non english talking, citizens of this part of the world. Thanks Louie and Steve for the lovely words. Always welcome here ! my best, luca www.unguitar.com L. Angulo wrote: >Folks, >I just want to share my expierence playing last >thursday in Italy with you.It usually takes about 5 to >6 hours to drive from konstanz Germany to Brescia >Italy but due to a nightmarish eastern traffic jam >driving through the city of Milano(and getting a bit >lost upon arriving) it took me about 9hrs.! >I got there just in time to basically connect all my >gear,wash my sweaty face have a drink and a quick bite >and start playing.I personally felt a bit exhausted >and unconcentrated during my performance but somehow i >got through it. >But what made this a very special night was the >support and hospitality of Luca Formentini and his >lovely girl,they guided me,waited patiently for me,and >made everything run smooth once i got there.He also >made me relax before the show and made everything >possible for me to get the best italian treatment! >He is truly a wonderful host and i recomend anybody >planning on playing in northern italy to get in touch >with him. >But basically the point i would like to make here is >how he is organizing this movement in italy.He is >bringing individual looper-musicians with press >publicity,acomodations and freedom to perform your set >however you want to present it.This give you also the >opportunity to set all the gear you need to feel >comfortable, and the audiece get a chance to recognize >you better as an individual artist. >The publicity that was made on the flyers by the Club >owners described the show as unguitar,ambient and >lounge music.Weather i accompish this, you should >probably ask Luca who was in the audience,but is >obvious that the club owners are using this terms to >draw their people because unless there is an >expanation of it,it is uncertain how people are going >to interpret the term looping in a flyer. > >Anyway instead of going into a discussion of a term i >would like to rather give a few suggestions and ideas >i am buliding from personal experiences that might >help our presentation: > >-make sure you get an idea in what kind of club you >are playing i.e. a bar,Disco,theater etc. and find out >what kind of audiences they draw. > >-Send your promo material describing what you are >doing briefly and to the point simplified enough so >that even your grandma can understand it;-)Remeber >that a lot of times club owners might not exactly know >what you mean and they won´t risk putting an abstract >term in there. The club hast to get the people in and >make money.This is the reality! > >-make yourself flyers that explain briefly the concept >of looping,history etc. so people start getting >informed about what we are doing. On the livelooping >website there was a very good description of >this.Print it out take them with you and ask the club >owners if you can just set them on every table. > >-Try to get them to send you the already printed out >promo flyer description of your show.This may help you >know what audiences have read about you and >expectations and plan you concept better before the >show. > >-Try if possible (and don´t kill me for this) to adapt >your show to this audiences.If there is a word in the >publicity that says "lounge" well what a hell, give it >a try even if you didn´t plan on it or is not on your >set list!(Luca sorry if i forgot this!) > >-Find out before you drive far away (or to another >country) how the traffic is going to be there and what >hours to avoid.Find out the weather conditions as >well.Sitting in a traffic jam for an hour an a half >with heat and exhaust gases from trucks cutting it >close before your show can drive you nuts!(i Have >learned my lesson;-) > >-Print out all telephone numbers,hotel directions, >etc. and don´t go anywhere without a mobile phone! > >-prepare your gear for the least amount of >hassles,xtra cables,foreign adaptors etc. > >-record your performances or ask the Soundtech to do >it for you. > >And last but not least know that "success is piece of >mind knowing you did your best" > >Cheers >Louie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>But that's where I think the "Live Looping" movement >>got itself in trouble. >>There is an aesthetic similarity, but I don't think >>I've ever heard anyone >>express what it is. This leaves us with "Live >>Looping consists of people who >>use loopers live". But that includes the >>singer-songwriter with the DL4 who >>doesn't think of himself as a live looper per se. As >>Kim (I think) has >>pointed out, it makes knowledge that something is a >>looping event be about >>as informative as knowing it's a guitar event or a >>trombone event. >> >>So, to really be successful as a promotional tool -- >>which I think is the >>basic reason for trying to define a genre -- there >>are a couple of things I >>think should happen: >> >>1. Someone needs to come up with a definition of the >>aesthetics and >>experience from an audience perspective. >> >>2. The name needs some consideration. If there is >>real audience knowledge of >>live looping then that name may be worth keeping, >>but it also carries with >>it the problem that to use a looper live may not >>make one a live looper per >>se. Mark Sottilaro and I started toying with the >>name "Cycletronica" last >>time this came up. He seems to have done more with >>it than I have. >> >>I've also been thinking about Loopstock and >>wondering whether the >>potentially anemic showing in Los Osos is >>symptomatic of a bigger problem. >>Maybe it's just that like me other people have >>schedule conflicts. I'm >>trying to resolve those conflicts, but I haven't >>managed to do so yet. >> >>Or are Andre's frustrations taking hold at a broader >>level? I've found the >>festivals extremely valuable to me as a player >>because without them I >>wouldn't be playing publicly. But I've also found >>them a bit frustrating >>both as a player and an audience member. For >>example, as a player, I become >>paranoid about getting my rig into a form that will >>set up and strike very >>quickly. That probably results in some useful focus >>and keeps me from >>spending a performance playing with too many toys, >>but it is also a bit >>stressful. And I really would like a soundcheck >>though the audience >>presumably wouldn't. As an audience member, I find >>it annoying when others >>haven't worked as hard and the festival turns into a >>festival of technical >>difficulties. (As a performer, I can think "there >>but for the grace of God" >>but that wouldn't cut it if I were just an audience >>member.) >> >>Is it time to evolve beyond the marathon festival >>model? To what? How do we >>keep bringing the community together without the >>stress level burning people >>out? >> >>Mark >> >> >> > > >===== >www.luis-angulo.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th >http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 11:25:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CFCq713488; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:12:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:12:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <135.2d8ce923.2dac0beb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:12:43 EDT Subject: Re: Reverse Looping w/ Gibson Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i'm sorry, my question may have been misinterpreted. i need to know = > whether it is possible to throw the initial loop in reverse, keeping it = > in reverse the whole while reverse overdubs are placed over it. I need = > to know if the direction of the loop and consecutive overdubs is = > independent. one day this will be possible ....but not now, and not on the EDP andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 12:36:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CGQRF26024; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:26:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:26:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:26:19 EDT Subject: Re: "Live Looping in italy con Alice" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/12/04 8:10:48 AM, luca@unguitar.com writes: >The only live music happening here (beside big concerts) is people > >playing covers. I employed live looping (guitar) on several tours in Europe with Alice in 1996-97 on her promotional swing for "Charade"... she gave me plenty of room to work the textural stuff into her songs, as well as a couple of "feature" spots each night. It was very rewarding artistically, using this "fringe" technique in a pop setting. Fun! best regards, Robby Aceto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 13:35:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CHTb906365; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:29:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:29:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <407ACFCA.3010905@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:20:10 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Live Looping in italy con Alice" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Robby, I was with Steve Jansen a few weeks ago, he toured with Alice, whose work I know well. She has always been curious to involve "different" musicians in her set up ( beside you and Steve, see Trey Gunn and others...). Unfortunately she is the only one who can be considered as a mainstream pop musician who is doing this. I always ask to myself why italian mainstream music makers never think to *Use* the different alphabets/languages which are available from the "underground" music scene. Maybe, once again, there will be more chances to collaborate with deejays or, for us italians, to dive into our home pool and play like it was an ocean. One question which is coming back after more than 20 years of playing (ouch !) is: does the public for these languages exist ? We'd need to live a 2nd cultural (r)evolution as in the 60/70's to get some interest maybe. So our way of playing (or tools, if that would be conceptual) would be the soundtrack to something. Our purpose happens in a moment of no cultural excitement/interest. I don't want to start any social consideration about our time, but remember we're not saying anything, we're just passively complaining about all the things that happen around us. I don't want to offend anyone who is social active, I'm talking about the social condition in which an art movement is living. I'll always remember a friend after a very annoying and arrogant show saying: "I have nothing to say when I play, I have no message, don't want to tell anything". Do you feel like one of these ??? Not me.... music on: Oh no, not me I never lost control You're face to face With The Man Who Sold The World my best, luca www.unguitar.com RA336@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/12/04 8:10:48 AM, luca@unguitar.com writes: > > > >>The only live music happening here (beside big concerts) is people >> >>playing covers. >> >> > >I employed live looping (guitar) on several tours in Europe with Alice in >1996-97 on her promotional swing for "Charade"... she gave me plenty of room to >work the textural stuff into her songs, as well as a couple of "feature" spots >each night. It was very rewarding artistically, using this "fringe" technique >in a pop setting. Fun! >best regards, >Robby Aceto > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 13:56:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CHoDv09968; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:50:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:50:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: First Gig involving looping... Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:50:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2004 17:50:07.0147 (UTC) FILETIME=[97859FB0:01C420B6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not exactly attention grabbing news to the list, I'm sure, but I thought I'd share anyway. I'm a bassplayer at heart, but I've been playing drums in an improv group with some friends. I also run sound for us from a little powered mixer I set up next to my hi hat. Well, we got invited to be the soundtrack for an art show at a local gallery, as well as do something we hadn't done before and back up a writer/professor friend of ours doing a sort of improvisational "reading". Of course I took the oportunity to try incorporating a little looping into our jam with my DL4. I set it up on an aux send, and was able to 'grab' snippets of other instruments as we played, looping and effecting them to create some great textures. It also allowed me to loop a minimalist beat my friend played on his sampler during the "reading" sections, freeing him up to play other things. When each reading section was done I could fade out the beat as the jam would pick up, and conversely, fade it back in as we'd reach the next reading section. It really worked out well, and provided some coherance and continuity to the whole thing. Another thing I got a kick out of was doing a quick little ambient/creepy texture bed before our set, and during our breaks. Made a great atmosphere for an otherwise plain old art show. The really great thing was, the show was a hit, the audience and patrons loved it, the artists loved it, the gallery owner loved it, our professor/writer friend loved it, and WE loved it. It was a big step for us in that, we are all on instruments that we're fairly inexperienced with and we're NOT that good. We were all wary of what we knew could have easily been a disaster. Fortunately, it was a wonderful success. And just to brag, we pulled it off despite the fact that I was in intense chest pain all night, eventually to the point of an Emergency room visit......I had REAL gas.....not the usual kind we musician's are familiar with ;-) So, now I have the urge to start incorporating my repeater that I've been neglecting and really muck things up....... Thanks to everyone for the information and inspiration. This shit is fun. Jason _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 14:24:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CIKfN13450; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:20:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:20:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040412182034.46531.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:20:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: "Live Looping" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001301c42078$4bf665e0$0200a8c0@waggy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is very good and it makes sense! cheers Louie --- Tias wrote: > I have been thinking on how to contribute to this > discussion for a while now > and in the end i've come to the conclusion that for > me Livelooping is not a > music-style per se, but a well defined technique > that is applied to the > various musicstyles that are around. > > That is, what bindes this community together in my > point of view is the > technique that we all use in one form or the other > and not the style of > music we create. > > This i think makes Livelooping as a concept and > technique very "romantic" > for both audiences and beginner-, pro-musicians. > Because it combines, in my > eyes and ears, any style of music in the Live > temporal dimension and opens > up the possibilites to improvise on the spot, alone > or in group, instead of > beeing bound by the parameters of pre-sequenced / > pre-recorded music. Of > course one can argue the much of the digital music > made today can't be > live-looped but i strongly withhold that it can, in > one way or the other, > just maybe not in the easiest way. But hey, if you > want to make it easy on > your self then just put a cd-player on stage and > press play. > > Then on top of that, different hardware just gives > the musician different > degrees of freedom and whether he/she uses a > overdubbing-delay with buffer > callback, undo, cut, reverse-capabilities or a midi > sequencer in record & > overdub mode, does not really matter, the common > nominator is still that in > all its simplicity, it loops and can be overdubbed > in one way or the other. > > In short: > Livelooping is a technique that can be applied to > any kind of music to give > the musician the possibilities to perform > multi-layered music in the > simplest way possible while still retaining the > freedom and spirit of > improvisation. > > Does this make any sense? Anyway, that's how i see > it and that's how i > explain it to others. ;) > > /Tias (Btw, the VST-looping-plugin is a bit delayed > but it's getting closer > to beta-mode almost every day.) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: "Loopers" > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:09 AM > Subject: Re: "Live Looping" > > > > On 04-04-12 10.53, "Dan Soltzberg" > wrote: > > > > > > > > friend Pia says it best-- ³describe how the > music will make me feel when > I > > > listen to it.² > > > > > > > > > d > > > > > > > > > Well said :-) > > > > Best wishes > > > > Per Boysen > > -- > > www.boysen.se > > www.looproom.com > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 15:00:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CIkDn17666; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:46:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:46:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040412184605.59826.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING my own personal history To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005401c4208d$4e9239e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4dAod.A.4TE.0PueAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That right Rick, the term Live Looping is already being used even by me;-) Although i find myself using it more as a described technique than as a style.When i am asked how is done etc. then i go on saying "loops being created live" which is essentialy livelooping.it is very exciting being part of something evolving and maybe as people start joining lists like this one the word will eventually spread out and we will all probably look back at our silly discussions;-) I think the looping festivals Rick is promoting (although ive never been to one) are a great way to get in contact with other loopers and to draw inspiration,ideas and see the posibilities involved.Even if it is stressing having little time for soundcheck etc.i would do it in a hard beat,i wish something like this would be available here! they are worth it and important and we should be glad that somebody is going through the trouble of doing something that a lot of us probably wouldn´t do since it takes a lot of time and energy and hardly generates any profits! Cheers Louie --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Since I have been one very strong advocate for the > whole "Live Looping" > concept , I wanted to weigh in on this fascinating > discussion > with an explanation of why I have personally fought > for that particular > semantic concept and tried, really hard to promote > it. > > In order to explain this I just wanted to go on > record about how I got > involved and why I started becoming enamored of this > term, Live Looping > to describe what I and a few others were doing, only > in our home town (not > even knowing that there were others, like Miko B, > just across our own town > who were doing similar things until much later). > > In our beginnings with using looping gear live in > front of a paying > audience, when my brother Bill, Gary Regina and I > were first enamored of > using our brand new, 1993 circa Lexicon Jammans, I > was fascinated by the > concept of layering lots of (what were then very > static) loops on top of > each other. > > As a percussionist drummer and fledgling > bassist/keyboardist/found sound > enthusiast) I could make really interesting ambient > or > rhythmic loops and build a rather sophisticated > piece of music that grew do > to it's layered sophistication as opposed to the > dominant > paradigm of the day: sophistication through > technical brilliance, mastery > of one's 'axe' or adherance to particular styles of > music. Personally, this > allowed me to give myself permission to start > learning very modest motifs > and riffs on instruments that I had no business > playing on stage in a > older paradigm live performance. Just needing to > know enough to record a > single loop, this radically widened my timbral and > melodic and harmonic > palette. This was very, very exciting for me (and > scary to, I might add, > because I always ran the risk of the judgement of > more accomplished > musicians). For me, this began a whole new phase > of thinking about music > and was tremendously liberating for me. > > It was all I wanted to do (much to the chagrin of a > lot of more typical > local musicians who thought it was a shame that I > was eschewing > my former great love of the drumset and ethnic > multi-percussion) but I was > faced with a dilemma in my desire to play more gigs: > > How could I publicize them? > > The people coming to see what we were doing didn't > know what they were > seeing or hearing. They were enjoying the music a > lot because we were able > to create pretty cool psychedelic ambiances and > layered > percussion/bass/guitar/wind instrument loops to then > play over the top of > but I would find myself constantly explaining to > people who would come up > and enquire about the gear we were using. > > I've been a gear head all of my life and I have > played hundreds of exotic > percussion instruments and electronic drums, but I > had never had the kind of > response to my gear, specifically, as I was having > after these initial > shows...........I had already played professional > for over 20 years in > public and I was bowled over by the audience > response to what we were > attempting. > > I also discovered that when we approached venues > about doing such shows that > , despite the fact that we had been the leaders of > some of the most > successful bands in the past 15 years in Santa Cruz, > that we still had to > describe to bookers and publicistst and journalists > and radio DJs what we > were doing and justify it's difference from what we > had played before. If > we didn't explain what we were doing and why it > differentiated from what we > had done before, they just weren't interested and > wouldn't publicize our > gigs. > > I was faced with a dilemma, because I was completely > enamored with the whole > concept of minimalistic repitition and loops but I > also realized that the > rap and pop and film score world were full of > "loop/sample" conciousness. > > What distinquished what we were doing from other > music in our area was that > we were doing it live in a way that was much more > maleable > in real time that just triggering pre-sampled or > recorded loops. > > What we were doing was a bit more dangerous because > we ran the danger of > fucking up in front of an audience in a way that > triggering pre sampled > loops didn't represent. Consequently I didn't want > to call it LOOP MUSIC. > I wanted to draw a distinction. > > Anyway, I also discovered, from having done a ton > of music business > publicity for all of my own bands I led over the > years, that it would not > work > to have to use two or three sentences to describe > what we were doing. We > had to come up with a publicity hook. > > What I discovered (by trying different approaches > that all failed miserably) > was that I needed a two word description that would > at least > provoke another question or two from the audience > member, journalist or DJ > who was enquiring. > > I'm not sure when Loopers Delight was started, but I > was not a member at the > time so I was considering these things in the vacuum > of my own > home town. There were only three of us doing it > (to my provincial and > limited knowledge). > > Anyway, I started using the term Live Looping. I > don't claim to have > invented it before anyone else (I'm sure I didn't, > in fact) but I invented > it for > us in our insular musical situation. > > When I first discovered the CT Collective and > started coming to Loopers > Delight I discovered this amazing community of > people who were just as > turned on to this looping concept that I was. I was > in heaven and felt like > a religious convert (obnoxious whenever it happens > but highly effective for > prosletyzing.........lol) I actually subsribed > earlier to L.D. but was > brand new to the internet and had no > concept of setting up a daily digest or e-mail > filters. I think I got 40 > or 50 individual e-mails from the list the first day > or two I was subscribed > and I > hastily unsubscribed and didn't come back for > another couple of years. > > Anyway, Steve Lawson and I started corresponding > because of the list and he > said he was coming to the West Coast and could I get > him a gig. > Steve had absolutely no draw in this area at all and > I knew that I had to > come up with some good publicity hook to interest > people in his > performance. > We publicized the fact that he was doing bass > looping to the press and to > the list and got an incredible response, including a > slew of bass players > in the area who were intrigued about what we were > doing and asked if they > could participate. I had booked a little venue > that held 45 people and > the response was so great that I quickly scratched > that idea and went to the > Rio Theatre to ask if they would host a > festival............contacted a > === message truncated === ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 17:50:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CLkij13798; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: FW: Loopstock 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:48:35 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear list members I'm going to attend the Loopstock 2004 event. Coming from Switzerland, I would love to jam or gig with new people. That's why I plan to stay for a few days after the 1st of May (until approx. 7th of May). As a guitarist, I like jamming with any instrument: voice, percussion, guitar, flute, keyboard, you name it. I've been doing this for several years on a steady basis. Anyone who has some time and enjoys instant composition or what you'd like to call it, please contact! BTW: Is anyone going from San Francisco to Los Osos by car or public transport whom I could join? (sorry, no driving license!) Thank you! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz/soundz/echoplexLoops.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 18:01:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CLuPv15386; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:56:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:56:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c420d9$5a454e20$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: "Live Looping" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:58:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C420B7.D2843440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [68.163.229.179] at Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:56:21 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C420B7.D2843440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: "Live Looping"Dan -=20 I remember the review. And I remember the show. I've experienced the same (non)reaction to the process used to create = the music. But, that's fine too. I mean, I'd rather be reviewed for = the music, than the process. After all if the PROCESS is more = interesting than the MUSIC it seems the music isn't valid of it's own = accord - and to my ears it's about the music. =20 David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Soltzberg=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 5:19 AM Subject: Re: "Live Looping" And yet (to reply to my own post, which seems like a form of looping, = doesn't it!), when I came back to the US from Japan in 2001 and saw = "Bass Looping Festival" on the marquee of the Capitol Theater in Santa = Cruz, that definitely had a meaning to me. Too bad I was a week too late = to catch the fun, but point is, it does mean something to a number of = people-myself included--to use "looping" as a descriptive term. But = maybe for the people who aren't practicioners, they don't care so much = how we do it- they care how it sounds and how it makes them feel. Like fer instance, there was a review in a local rock rag about a live = CD I made at a gig with Orange (Dave K, you were actually at that show- = you played a set too). It's a pretty wild set of songs, considering the = only instrument besides drums and vox was a 4-string bass, but the = reviewer didn't mention how it was done, even though I made that very = clear on the CD, (because it's something I'm kind of proud of). Nope, he = just talked about how it was dreamy, gothic, ambient, or whatever, and = complained that it wasn't Kiss or AC/DC. d --=20 ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 on 4/12/04 4:53 AM, Dan Soltzberg at d.ans@rcn.com wrote: beat, warhol's factory, der blaue reiter, cubism, impressionism, = rock, harcore, grindcore, glitchcore, idm, dub, roots,=20 Mark's post and this whole topic has me thinking about how movements = happen. Seems like a combination of self-promotion, audacity, and = right-place-at-right-time-ism. And/or by having/being/doing something = that is genuinely vibrant and touches people somehow in a way that can't = be ignored. But not by committee, I don't think.=20 Jimi Hendrix came along and blew the world away. He was definitely = an electric guitarist, and he wrote lyrics about the instrument and you = could see in much of how he presented himself that it was a huge aspect = of him. But he didn't have the impact he had because he played electric = guitar, rather than tuba (well maybe he wouldn't have gone quite so far = had it been tuba). He had it because he had awesome music and human = depth and he put it out there into the world and lived large. A tool's a = tool. Tools are great- they let us make the things we dream. Loopers, hammers, guitars, paintbrushes. That's it- imagine a = "Paintbrush Festival." You wouldn't do it that way. You'd call it an = art festival. My friend Pia says it best-- "describe how the music will = make me feel when I listen to it." d ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C420B7.D2843440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: "Live Looping"
Dan -
 
I remember the review.  And I = remember the=20 show.
 
I've experienced the same (non)reaction = to the=20 process used to create the music.  But, that's fine too.  I = mean, I'd=20 rather be reviewed for the music, than the process.  After all if = the=20 PROCESS is more interesting than the MUSIC it seems the music isn't = valid of=20 it's own accord - and to my ears it's about the music.  =
 
David
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan = Soltzberg
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 = 5:19=20 AM
Subject: Re: "Live = Looping"

And yet (to reply to my = own post,=20 which seems like a form of looping, doesn=92t it!), when I came back = to the US=20 from Japan in 2001 and saw =93Bass Looping Festival=94 on the marquee = of the=20 Capitol Theater in Santa Cruz, that definitely had a meaning to me. = Too bad I=20 was a week too late to catch the fun, but point is, it does mean = something to=20 a number of people=97myself included--to use =93looping=94 as a = descriptive term.=20 But maybe for the people who aren=92t practicioners, they don=92t care = so much how=20 we do it=97 they care how it sounds and how it makes them = feel.

Like fer=20 instance, there was a review in a local rock rag about a live CD I = made at a=20 gig with Orange (Dave K, you were actually at that show=97 you played = a set=20 too). It=92s a pretty wild set of songs, considering the only = instrument besides=20 drums and vox was a 4-string bass, but the reviewer didn=92t mention = how it was=20 done, even though I made that very clear on the CD, (because it=92s = something=20 I=92m kind of proud of). Nope, he just talked about how it was dreamy, = gothic,=20 ambient, or whatever, and complained that it wasn=92t Kiss or=20 AC/DC.


d

--
ghost 7=20 |=20 = Orange
http://www.envelopeproductions.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/= ghost7



on 4/12/04 4:53 AM, Dan Soltzberg at = d.ans@rcn.com=20 wrote:
beat, warhol=92s factory, der blaue = reiter,=20 cubism, impressionism, rock, harcore, grindcore, glitchcore, idm, = dub,=20 roots,

Mark=92s post and this whole topic has me thinking = about how=20 movements happen. Seems like a combination of self-promotion, = audacity, and=20 right-place-at-right-time-ism. And/or by having/being/doing = something that=20 is genuinely vibrant and touches people somehow in a way that = can=92t be=20 ignored. But not by committee, I don=92t think.

Jimi Hendrix = came=20 along and blew the world away. He was definitely an electric = guitarist, and=20 he wrote lyrics about the instrument and you could see in much of = how he=20 presented himself that it was a huge aspect of him.

But he = didn=92t=20 have the impact he had because he played electric guitar, rather = than tuba=20 (well maybe he wouldn=92t have gone quite so far had it been tuba). = He had it=20 because he had awesome music and human depth and he put it out there = into=20 the world and lived large. A tool=92s a tool. Tools are great=97 = they let us=20 make the things we dream.

Loopers, hammers, guitars, = paintbrushes.=20 That=92s it=97 imagine a =93Paintbrush Festival.=94   You = wouldn=92t do it=20 that way. You=92d call it an art festival. My friend Pia says it = best--=20 =93describe how the music will make me feel when I listen to=20 it.=94


d


 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C420B7.D2843440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 18:10:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CM5LY17055; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:05:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:05:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c420da$9a7477e0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <77.2684e8bd.2dab3962@aol.com> Subject: wah-wah music - Re: "Live Looping" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:07:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C420B9.12DC90E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [68.163.229.179] at Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:05:19 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C420B9.12DC90E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now THIS is something I'd LOVE to hear!!!!! :-)) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LinkTomlin@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: Re: "Live Looping" Is there such a thing as wah-wah music?? If everything being created in a set was pumped through a wah wah then = maybe there would be. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C420B9.12DC90E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now THIS is something I'd LOVE to = hear!!!!! =20 :-))
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 LinkTomlin@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 = 8:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: "Live = Looping"


Is there such a thing as wah-wah=20 music??

If everything being created in a set was pumped = through a wah wah=20 then maybe there would be.

 ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C420B9.12DC90E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 18:22:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3CMCXv18403; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:12:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:12:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c420db$42c85b50$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <77.2684e8bd.2dab3962@aol.com> <005a01c420da$9a7477e0$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: wah-wah music - Re: "Live Looping" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:12:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C420B9.BB815370" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <4J-G0B.A.afE.QRxeAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C420B9.BB815370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been working on a piece for 4 guitars, each with wahs. I've been doing this for...years. On and off. Though, I am seriously = thinking about using the dunlop Q_Zone instead. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Kirkdorffer=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:07 PM Subject: wah-wah music - Re: "Live Looping" Now THIS is something I'd LOVE to hear!!!!! :-)) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LinkTomlin@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: Re: "Live Looping" Is there such a thing as wah-wah music?? If everything being created in a set was pumped through a wah wah = then maybe there would be. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C420B9.BB815370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been working on a piece for 4 = guitars, each=20 with wahs.
 
I've been doing this for...years.  = On and=20 off.  Though, I am seriously thinking about using the dunlop Q_Zone = instead.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Kirkdorffer
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 = 6:07=20 PM
Subject: wah-wah music - Re: = "Live=20 Looping"

Now THIS is something I'd LOVE to = hear!!!!! =20 :-))
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 LinkTomlin@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 = 8:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: "Live = Looping"


Is there such a thing as wah-wah=20 music??

If everything being created in a set was pumped = through a wah=20 wah then maybe there would = be.

 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C420B9.BB815370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 20:32:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D0P1v03168; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:25:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:25:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <139.2d91696f.2dac8d55@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:24:53 EDT Subject: Re: Have you been there, done that? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_139.2d91696f.2dac8d55_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_139.2d91696f.2dac8d55_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/12/04 1:30:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomrex1@cox.net writes: > How do you get samples of a dissonant choir? In Latin? lots of gregorian chant music out there.....tom, this is a wonderful idea, "memory remix", i really want to hear the finished piece.....michael --part1_139.2d91696f.2dac8d55_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/12/04 1:30:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomrex1@cox.net writes= :


How do you get samples of a di= ssonant choir?  In Latin?


lots of gregorian chant music out there.....tom, this is a wonderful idea, "= memory remix", i really want to hear the finished piece.....michael <= /HTML> --part1_139.2d91696f.2dac8d55_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 20:37:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D0YpQ04701; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:34:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:34:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:34:43 EDT Subject: Re: "Live Looping in italy con Alice" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf.9ee0e64.2dac8fa3_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_cf.9ee0e64.2dac8fa3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/12/04 1:31:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, luca@unguitar.com writes: > I'll always remember a friend after a very annoying and arrogant show > saying: "I have nothing to say when I play, I have no message, don't > want to tell anything". > Do you feel like one of these ??? > i hate to say it but i do!.....i just want to create beats that people can tap their toes to and melodies that hopefully they can hum along with.....that's why being a songsmith is so difficult for me, WHAT DO I WANT TO SAY?.....i hate war, i love love.....what?.....i do feel that my shows are neither annoying nor arrogant.....luca, it could be this way because i'm not from italy.....:).....nor paris BUT pittsburgh.....:).....these have been the most interesting posts that i've read in a really long time.....THANKS to everyone for the thought provoking material.....michael --part1_cf.9ee0e64.2dac8fa3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/12/04 1:31:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, luca@unguitar.com writ= es:


I'll always remember a friend a= fter a very annoying and arrogant show
saying: "I have nothing to say when I play, I have no message, don't
want to tell anything".
Do you feel like one of these ???


i hate to say it but i do!.....i just want to create beats that people can t= ap their toes to and melodies that hopefully they can hum along with.....tha= t's why being a songsmith is so difficult for me, WHAT DO I WANT TO SAY?....= .i hate war, i love love.....what?.....i do feel that my shows are neither a= nnoying nor arrogant.....luca, it could be this way because i'm not from ita= ly.....:).....nor paris BUT pittsburgh.....:).....these have been the most i= nteresting posts that i've read in a really long time.....THANKS to everyone= for the thought provoking material.....michael --part1_cf.9ee0e64.2dac8fa3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 20:49:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D0jfe06641; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:45:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:45:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1ed.1de03e07.2dac922e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:45:34 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Loopstock 2004 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ed.1de03e07.2dac922e_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ed.1de03e07.2dac922e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/12/04 5:48:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes: > Dear list members > > I'm going to attend the Loopstock 2004 event. > FWIW.....i will be there also and i can't wait.....be seeing ya bernhard.....YIPEE.....michael --part1_1ed.1de03e07.2dac922e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/12/04 5:48:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, loopdelightml@nosuch.b= iz writes:


Dear list members

I'm going to attend the Loopstock 2004 event.


FWIW.....i will be there also and i can't wait.....be seeing ya bernhard....= .YIPEE.....michael --part1_1ed.1de03e07.2dac922e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 21:20:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D1FYB11439; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:15:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:15:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: "Live Looping" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:15:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C420BA.281EF5A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <002801c420d9$5a454e20$0affff0a@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 thread-index: AcQg2ZVqsN96ejthTg6lf9gY7z5MqgADsqKQ Message-Id: <20040413011526.ZGYA17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C420BA.281EF5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think we're getting there in defining what a lot of us like to do: 1. It's live. 2. it's mostly improvised. 3. It's looping. 4. It's technical. 5. It's not a genre. Even I am starting to get it. I was reflecting today on one of the 1st live looping performances: 1. JS Bach was playing live, 2. before an audience, that included the King, 3. improvising on the Royal Theme, 4. in canon form, 5. on a new fangled instrument, the forte-piano, 6. that had dynamics! Later, when he got home, he wrote it up, from memory, and sent it back to the King as A Musical Offering. There's another dynamic happening here, since they liked to read, not only play, music, but music as a text. They used to hide all sorts of things in the score, which they then would try to decipher. So there were code makers, and code breakers, and it was, and still is, a game. When I first started doing computer music last year, I did a little re-mix of that theme, on Cubase SL: 1. It wasn't live. 2. it wasn't improvised. 3. It was looping. 4. It was sort of technical. 5. I named it, and several that I did afterwards, as Classical Loops, although not necessarily classical music. 6. And I used no dynamics, because I didn't know how. When I joined this list, because of my interest in looping, I was lost. What I heard everyone saying, and what I was doing, were different things. But slowly, I started to get it, with some help from people on the list. And what I got, for me, was that I've been a performing musician most of my life, and pecking away with a mouse, at a computer wasn't going to cut it. Another thing was the Taoist / Zen thing of being in relationship with my instrument, to really get to know it. My first step back to performing was to get Ableton Live, and an Evolution UC-33 midi controller. And that's a lot of fun. My next step was to get a workstation, the Fantom-S. For me, this was great, because I could use it as a midi controller, and as an instrument in its own right. More importantly, as a live, performing instrument. It's also a sampler, and you're able to record in loop mode, with overdub capabilities (see, I am learning). I'm still learning how to use it, but two things so far were very exciting. My first loop that I performed, just layering some notes, and later experimenting with the delay and other effects. Now I'm starting to get an inkling of what you all are talking about. It's sort of amazing that you can play a few notes, or chords, through the effects, and let the sounds just develop. And it seems that it takes as much skill to play the effects, as it does the notes and chords. The one skill I don't have is engineering, so I'm sort of slow on the technical end. And that's where some of you have an advantage over just being a musician. Sometimes, I feel that makes the difference to belonging to the in group, vs. just being on the list. I don't know. What do the rest of you feel about this? On the other hand, I have an interest in the cultural and anthropological aspects of music, although I would not call myself a musicologist. I guess we all have our talents. Tom ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C420BA.281EF5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: "Live Looping"

I think we’re getting there = in defining what a lot of us like to do:

 

  1. It’s live.
  2. it’s mostly improvised.
  3. It’s looping.
  4. It’s technical.
  5. It’s not a genre.

 

Even I am starting to get = it.

 

I was reflecting today on one of = the 1st live looping performances:  

 

  1. JS Bach was playing live,
  2. before an audience, that included the King, =  
  3. improvising on the Royal Theme,
  4. in canon form,
  5. on a new fangled instrument, the forte-piano, =
  6. that had dynamics!

 

Later, when he got home, he wrote = it up, from memory, and sent it back to the King as A Musical Offering.  = There’s another dynamic happening here, since they liked to read, not only play, = music, but music as a text.  They used to hide all sorts of things in the = score, which they then would try to decipher.  So there were code makers, and = code breakers, and it was, and still is, a game.

 

When I first started doing computer = music last year, I did a little re-mix of that theme, on Cubase = SL:

 

  1. It wasn’t live.
  2. it wasn’t improvised.
  3. It was looping.
  4. It was sort of technical.
  5. I named it, and several that I did afterwards, as Classical Loops, although = not necessarily classical music.
  6. And I used no dynamics, because I didn’t know = how.

 

When I joined this list, because of = my interest in looping, I was lost.  What I heard everyone saying, and = what I was doing, were different things.  But slowly, I started to get it, = with some help from people on the list.  And what I got, for me, was that = I’ve been a performing musician most of my life, and pecking away with a = mouse, at a computer wasn’t going to cut it.  Another thing was the = Taoist / Zen thing of being in relationship with my instrument, to really get to know = it.

 

My first step back to performing = was to get Ableton Live, and an Evolution UC-33 midi controller.  And = that’s a lot of fun.

 

My next step was to get a = workstation, the Fantom-S.  For me, this was great, because I could use it as a midi controller, and as an instrument in its own right.  More = importantly, as a live, performing instrument.  It’s also a sampler, and = you’re able to record in loop mode, with overdub capabilities (see, I am = learning).  I’m still learning how to use it, but two things so far were very exciting.  My first loop that I performed, just layering some = notes, and later experimenting with the delay and other effects.  Now I’m = starting to get an inkling of what you all are talking about.  It’s sort = of amazing that you can play a few notes, or chords, through the effects, = and let the sounds just develop.  And it seems that it takes as much skill = to play the effects, as it does the notes and = chords.

 

The one skill I don’t have is = engineering, so I’m sort of slow on the technical end.  And that’s = where some of you have an advantage over just being a musician.  Sometimes, I = feel that makes the difference to belonging to the in group, vs. just being = on the list.  I don’t know.  What do the rest of you feel about = this?

 

On the other hand, I have an = interest in the cultural and anthropological aspects of music, although I would not = call myself a musicologist.  I guess we all have our = talents.

 

Tom

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C420BA.281EF5A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 21:22:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D1KxM12215; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:20:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:20:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20040412180601.01caf988@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:14:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Have you been there, done that? In-Reply-To: <139.2d91696f.2dac8d55@aol.com> References: <139.2d91696f.2dac8d55@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_404194410==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_404194410==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Check out Ligeti's pieces on the soundtrack to 2001. At 17:24 12/04/2004, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/12/04 1:30:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >tomrex1@cox.net writes: > > >>How do you get samples of a dissonant choir? In Latin? > > >lots of gregorian chant music out there.....tom, this is a wonderful idea, >"memory remix", i really want to hear the finished piece.....michael --=====================_404194410==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Check out Ligeti's pieces on the soundtrack to 2001.

At 17:24 12/04/2004, you wrote:
In a message dated 4/12/04 1:30:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomrex1@cox.net writes:


How do you get samples of a dissonant choir?  In Latin?


lots of gregorian chant music out there.....tom, this is a wonderful idea, "memory remix", i really want to hear the finished piece.....michael
--=====================_404194410==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 21:32:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D1SIw13419; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:28:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:28:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.140.8.2] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: "Live Looping" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:28:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2004 01:28:11.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[95728310:01C420F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The thing about "live looping" is that most people who've heard the term before, tend to think of 4/4 ebow frippertronics. It's not always correct, but it's human nature to stereotype. I applaud folks like Rick who are trying to expand what people think of as "live looping". Personally, I often describe my equipment interaction as "real-time sampling" which includes the looping, fx, and things like the casio SK1. It seems like the more I do music, the less labeling it seems to help. Sure, labels are great in pointing people in the right direction. There are too many labels now (thanks to Techno trying to make itself sound more interesting), and lately I find it really difficult to get someone interested in what I do, with a verbal description. I feel really lucky to be in the music community I'm in (sf bay area), which includes electronic & acoustic musicians, electro-acoustic musicians, free-jazzers, jazz-dislikers, noise people, "quiet" freaks, laptoppers, academics & loopers. We have Mills College nearby, which I originally discounted as "academic", but works as a magnet for pulling in lots of amazing, open minded people. I just met a guy a few weeks ago who does prepared & "real-time sampled" pedal steel guitar. Last night I played with a guy who uses only 2 cd-dj units, and makes it musical! I guess my point is... do what you do... worry about naming it later. Sorry, I'm sleepy, and I need to go home. _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 22:50:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D2cU123599; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:38:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:38:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:38:31 -0700 Subject: Branding: Live Looping From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8G8-oC.A.nwF.mK1eAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To Rick and the rest of the "Live Looping" crowd: I've been assuming that "Live Looping" was an effort to establish a brand for some set of music. I think branding is useful because it gives an audience points of reference. If they like some music associated with the brand, they can have a reasonable expectation to like other music associated with the brand. But what is the brand promise of "Live Looping"? Once that's resolved, then it's a separate issue to decide whether or not "Live Looping" is the best label for that brand promise. Frippertronics is an example of an overly successful brand. Robert Fripp would probably have defined it as what you get when you plug Robert Fripp into a looping system. The overly successful part came from people trying to apply the term to music not involving Robert Fripp. That being said, it remained descriptive for music sharing the general stylistic elements that Fripp established. If someone describes something as being Frippertronics, I have a general notion of what it is going to sound like. A number of record labels have successfully defined brands over the years. It's reasonably clear what is meant by the ECM sound though ECM's roster is pretty diverse. Windham Hill had a fairly distinctive sound before William Ackerman sold out. 4AD has or had a fair degree of consistency as well. On the other hand, I think Windham Hill first tried to position their music as "New Acoustic Music" and though descriptive the term never caught on, so not all efforts at broad branding are successful. Returning to the "Live Looping" brand, I pose the following questions: Is anyone who uses a looping device live doing something that would fit under the term "Live Looping"? If yes, then how much value does the term have -- outside perhaps of Santa Cruz -- for audiences? If yes, does this mean that the only real audience for a live looping event is more or less other people using looopers since all that you can predict is use of looping devices (and technical difficulties)? If no, then we hit on the issue that seems to bother a number of people here which is that they feel they are using a looper live but aren't part of the "live looping" movement. What is it that distinguishes "live looping" from music involving the use of looping devices in a live context? Is it something that an audience can recognize? Can you do live looping in the studio or is the live experience an essential part and recording CDs is pointless? Fundamentally, what is it that the "Live Looping" brand represents? Is it something that is useful to audiences and if so how? If I didn't loop myself, what is it that would make me want to go to a Live Looping event or buy music identified as Live Looping? If it isn't useful to audiences why use it as a brand? Mark P.S. This is written as someone who suspects that what he is doing is "Live Looping". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 12 23:12:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D37Mt30384; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:07:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:07:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.156.86.161] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewf5@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Wiley" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Behringer FCB 1010 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:07:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2004 03:07:15.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C7E5160:01C42104] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a new never used Behringer FCB 1010 for sale. i also have an electro-harmonix pedal bag that it fits in perfectly. $110 shipped in the lower 48. -matt _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 00:00:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D3tCb09615; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:55:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:55:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040413035510.10319.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:55:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: RE: My first looping performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040410153740.EEPX15011.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Daniel, congrats on your first looping performance. Even though I've had a DL-4 delay pedal for a few years now, my first public looping performance was actually on my Apple iBook, running Numerology and FM7. I believe I'm one of the 1 out of 10. ;) I got turned on to Numerology by Mark S's posts on this list. This first performance was mostly improvised. The only prep work I did was select one of the example patches that came with Numerology, rearrange some of the notes in the Control Sequencer module, and reroute the MIDI output to FM7. I treated Numerology as an instrument on which to improvise - I messed around with the Gate Sequencer sliders, the Dual LFO module settings, clock division settings, tempo settings, etc. while it cycled over and over through its sequencer modules. The audience reacted with laughter. I found out later it wasn't because I took the sequencers through a wide range of tempi, beat divisions, etc. or I was using a 16-tone just intonation tuning, but because there was a video running behind me of little kids chasing each other. Paolo --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > ---->Congrats on making the plunge, it get easier . > . . > Performance requires a certain detachment from the > gear--the RC-20 makes it > easier in some ways, harder in others (no feedback, > no undo--that coulda > helped). > As far as backing track, here's what I think--these > ARE BACKING TRACKS, > albeit extra material generated spontaneously. It's > infintely interesting > to the player since it echoes the moment, our task > is to make it so for the > listener. > Now, there are some for whom the delay looping is > not a "bed"--Andre La > Fosse comes to mind--I'm sure you've heard of him, > he was nice enough to > email me back saying give a holler next time I'm in > the greater LA area, and > I told him to let me know about his LA > appearances--but I imagine 9 out of > 10 loopers are accumulating that time lag to solo > over. Opinions? > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > Daniel Mayfield wrote: > > Just thought I'd share with all my first looping > performance last night, we > were having a jam night down the local pub and I > though hey if I can't > experiment here then were can I? I used my RC-20 > inputting violin into one > track and guitar into another...Played one bum note > on the guitar but > overdubbed enough so it couldn't really be heard, > god those wrong notes just > keep coming around and around and around... > Then once I had the guitars playing I layered the > violins over it, people in > my small town hadn't ever seen anything like it, > some though I was using > backing tracks! > Well I got a real buzz from it and shall work on a > set, looping is such fun > as I'm sure all you lot know, well thankyou for > letting me waffle to you all > > Dan > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 00:03:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D40gE10928; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:00:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:00:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005a01c420da$9a7477e0$0affff0a@hppav> References: <77.2684e8bd.2dab3962@aol.com> <005a01c420da$9a7477e0$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:19:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: wah-wah music - Re: "Live Looping" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1130293661==_ma============" X-VBS-Filter-Version: 1.15 (well.com modified) (smtp) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1130293661==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Mid-seventies Miles was remarkably close to this. -C At 6:07 PM -0400 4/12/04, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >Now THIS is something I'd LOVE to hear!!!!! :-)) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: LinkTomlin@aol.com >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:14 PM >Subject: Re: "Live Looping" > > >>Is there such a thing as wah-wah music?? >> > >If everything being created in a set was pumped through a wah wah >then maybe there would be. -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut --============_-1130293661==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: wah-wah music - Re: "Live Looping"

Mid-seventies Miles was remarkably close to this.

-C

At 6:07 PM -0400 4/12/04, David Kirkdorffer wrote:
Now THIS is something I'd LOVE to hear!!!!!  :-))
 
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:14 PM
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Is there such a thing as wah-wah music??

If everything being created in a set was pumped through a wah wah then maybe there would be.


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--============_-1130293661==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 00:08:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D462812180; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:06:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:06:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040413040600.73429.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:06:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: re: "Live Looping" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I too have found this thread quite informative. I am fortunate to have found in the DC area a scene where I don't have to put a label on what I do if I want to play live. We have some people here who loosely call themselves Techclub DC that organize open mic events for electronic musicians called Open Minijax. Granted, Open Minijax doesn't happen all the time - maybe once every 3 months or so, but if you want to play, just sign up. Most of the acts have tended to be laptop people, but at the last one I attended, there were quite a few acts using analog gear (pedals, synth modules, etc.) instead of laptops. I'm starting to learn about the other side, if you will, as a volunteer for our local annual electronic music & media festival, Sonic Circuits. How do we decide who to invite and who not to invite? Should we have a "theme" of some kind? If so, what? It's inevitable that some will feel excluded no matter what's decided... Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 02:09:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D64we05362; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:04:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:04:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: RE: Loopstock 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:04:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bernard: if you come to los angeles, would love to jam with you here. i am a percussionist. damon -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FW: Loopstock 2004 Dear list members I'm going to attend the Loopstock 2004 event. Coming from Switzerland, I would love to jam or gig with new people. That's why I plan to stay for a few days after the 1st of May (until approx. 7th of May). As a guitarist, I like jamming with any instrument: voice, percussion, guitar, flute, keyboard, you name it. I've been doing this for several years on a steady basis. Anyone who has some time and enjoys instant composition or what you'd like to call it, please contact! BTW: Is anyone going from San Francisco to Los Osos by car or public transport whom I could join? (sorry, no driving license!) Thank you! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz/soundz/echoplexLoops.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 02:16:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D6Dlf06980; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:13:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:13:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:16:04 -0400 Subject: Naming what we do... From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5ObWlD.A.8sB.bU4eAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey folks >>I would be interested in knowing if a group of >>individuals consciously sat down and thought about >>naming music as "Jazz" "Rock n Roll" "Salsa" "Blues" >>etc.or was it perhaps just a popular term which >>eventually spread out? But see -- ALL of those musics can be done with 'looping' . I feel that it's not so much a 'form' or 'category' of music as it is a 'technique' or 'method' that can, and seemingly has been - applied to ANY type of music. BTW - I am in Newport RI right now having a great time on a small tour with one of the masters of electronic/experimental music - Don Preston. I'll point ya to the tour diary when it exists - a highlight so far was the Boston gig and the earlier Berklee seminar by Don - fantastic!! Berklee VP and old buddy of Don's Gary Burton showed up at the end - that was tres cool...Remaining dates are below. What do we call the music?? Electronic/experimental/musque concrete and free jazz..... With loads of looping. -peace - andre' (east coast) BTW - how funny is it that BOTH andre's have performed with DON PRESTON. What's going on here???!!! is this some kind of loop?? Don Preston Akashic Ensemble APRIL 2004 Electronics, brass , percussion, samples, weirdness, poems: Don Preston - Moog Voyager Analog synth, sampler, etc - Andre' Cholmondeley - guitar, filters, loops, samples etc Cheri Jiosne- drums, electronics, percussion, loops synth etc Elliott Levin -saxes, flute, poetry Dave Ballou - trumpet/FX (ON APR 4, 14 only!) Sun Apr 11 Colony Cafe' Woodstock NY -Akashic+ Preston Trio* Wed Apr 14 The Saint 601 Main St Asbury Park NJ *TRIO-- Don Preston/piano, Ken Filiano/ac. bass, Gregg Bendian/drums From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 02:28:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D6LHR08421; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:21:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:21:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: RE: FW: Loopstock 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:21:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C420E4.D8352390" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1ed.1de03e07.2dac922e@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C420E4.D8352390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i will be there damon grossman, percussionist los angeles -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 5:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FW: Loopstock 2004 In a message dated 4/12/04 5:48:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes: Dear list members I'm going to attend the Loopstock 2004 event. FWIW.....i will be there also and i can't wait.....be seeing ya bernhard.....YIPEE.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C420E4.D8352390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Dear list members

I'm going to attend the = Loopstock 2004=20 event.


FWIW.....i will be there also and i = can't=20 wait.....be seeing ya bernhard.....YIPEE.....michael=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C420E4.D8352390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 03:33:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D7UtY22964; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 03:30:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 03:30:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:30:48 +0200 Subject: Re: wah-wah music - Re: "Live Looping" From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep. Pete Cosey, on the guitar, also added the "malfunctioning-stomp-box" parameter to this wah wah music style ;-) (have Agharta and still live it) Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com On 04-04-13 05.19, "Chris Muir" wrote: > Mid-seventies Miles was remarkably close to this. > > -C > > At 6:07 PM -0400 4/12/04, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >> Now THIS is something I'd LOVE to hear!!!!! :-)) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: LinkTomlin@aol.com >>> Is there such a thing as wah-wah music?? >>> >> >> If everything being created in a set was pumped through a wah wah >> then maybe there would be. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 04:41:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D8d0C02912; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 04:39:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 04:39:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:38:53 +0200 Subject: Re: "Live Looping" From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040413011526.ZGYA17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@MusicComputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-13 03.15, "Tom Rex" wrote: > The one skill I don't have is engineering, so I'm sort of slow on the > technical end. And that's where some of you have an advantage over just > being a musician. Sometimes, I feel that makes the difference to belonging > to the in group, vs. just being on the list. I don't know. What do the > rest of you feel about this? I too was initially only interested in the musician side. Once upon a time (he, he...) I avoided anything related to musical engineering. I just regarded it "so boring" compared to being a musician and improvise in a group setting. Although I was quite good at setting an amp for "the right guitar sound" I didn't even notice the difference in copying cassette tapes with or without Dolby C noise suppression. At one occasion I producer got really mad at me for this, since my ignorance did made his engineering work look bad in public. This incidence made me start thinking about "frequencies" as well as the ordinary musical expressions. I bought a cassette porta studio (this happened in the early eighties) and started learning to combine frequencies to fill up the spectrum that we as humans are able to hear. And I found that "painting with frequencies" is not very different from painting with melodies, sound shaping or musical performance attitude, which are the parameters you learn to use in group improvisation. And for the patching stuff - like inserting effects, effect aux sends etc etc - you just have to get a book and read it once. It's very simple. It's also valuable to put some time into experimenting and experience the difference in, as an example, putting a reverb before or after a compressor in an effect chain. But working with electronics is really a lot more difficult than "mastering an instrument", being a musician. A flute is always a flute and even if you do not play especially well it may sound good in an ensemble situation, only because "it is a flute and this music is very nice on the flute". With electronics there are no rules. There is only the sound and that is what you and everybody hear. When I came into electronics, from a musician background, I found that electronics are in fact what I have been trying so hard (mostly failing) to achieve on different instruments: Creating sound that has a contextual meaning without falling into any tradition. Almost impossible as a traditional instrumentalist ;-) There are of course fashions and traditions even in electronic sound and its application in music making, but that's another story... Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 04:45:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3D8hZf03736; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 04:43:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 04:43:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:43:26 +0200 Subject: Re: "Live Looping in italy con Alice" From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> I'll always remember a friend after a very annoying and arrogant show >> saying: "I have nothing to say when I play, I have no message, don't >> want to tell anything". >> Do you feel like one of these ??? No. I have a lot to say! But my problem is that the second I enter the stage and start playing I forget about everything but the music. Hmmm... Well, in a way that's the same thing. I guess. ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 10:31:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3DEPxk04056; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:25:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:25:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040413142550.80034.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:25:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: "Live Looping" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, If you have any links to this subjects i would appreciate it i myself want to have a deeper understanding of it c ya´ L.a > And for the patching stuff - like inserting effects, > effect aux sends etc > etc - you just have to get a book and read it once. > It's very simple. It's > also valuable to put some time into experimenting > and experience the > difference in, as an example, putting a reverb > before or after a compressor > in an effect chain. > > But working with electronics is really a lot more > difficult than "mastering > an instrument", being a musician. A flute is always > a flute and even if you > do not play especially well it may sound good in an > ensemble situation, only > because "it is a flute and this music is very nice > on the flute". With > electronics there are no rules. There is only the > sound and that is what you > and everybody hear. When I came into electronics, > from a musician > background, I found that electronics are in fact > what I have been trying so > hard (mostly failing) to achieve on different > instruments: Creating sound > that has a contextual meaning without falling into > any tradition. Almost > impossible as a traditional instrumentalist ;-) > > There are of course fashions and traditions even in > electronic sound and its > application in music making, but that's another > story... > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > -- > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 11:07:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3DF0wY10917; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:00:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:00:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Have you been there, done that? Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:01:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C4212D.772031A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040412180601.01caf988@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 thread-index: AcQg9hky6d51DUFMTYehCg/nAOYuGgAbt3KQ Message-Id: <20040413150049.KZYQ17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <0zk6sD.A.cqC.pCAfAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C4212D.772031A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Michael, for the leads. Gives me some ideas. One of them is to play a Gloria track as audio through in my MS 2000 synth, and detune it. This also probably can be done with a VST plug-in in Cubase. Since they didn't want the ceremony recorded, I don't think I'd be able to release the finished piece. Check out this site, which explains some of this. The Gloria is mentioned under Holy Saturday, and the Participants are described. http://www.smc.maricopa.edu/sub1/inet/esp/yaqui.html Tom _____ From: armatronix [mailto:armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Have you been there, done that? Check out Ligeti's pieces on the soundtrack to 2001. At 17:24 12/04/2004, you wrote: In a message dated 4/12/04 1:30:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomrex1@cox.net writes: How do you get samples of a dissonant choir? In Latin? lots of gregorian chant music out there.....tom, this is a wonderful idea, "memory remix", i really want to hear the finished piece.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C4212D.772031A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks, Michael, for the = leads.  Gives me some ideas.  One of them is to play a Gloria track as audio = through in my MS 2000 synth, and detune it.  This also probably can be done = with a VST plug-in in Cubase.

 

Since they didn’t want the = ceremony recorded, I don’t think I’d be able to release the finished = piece. 

 

Check out this site, which explains = some of this.  The Gloria is mentioned under Holy Saturday, and the = Participants are described.

 

http://www.= smc.maricopa.edu/sub1/inet/esp/yaqui.html

 

Tom

 

 

 

From: = armatronix [mailto:armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Monday, April 12, = 2004 6:14 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Have you = been there, done that?

 

Check out Ligeti's pieces on the soundtrack to 2001.

At 17:24 12/04/2004, you wrote:

In a message dated 4/12/04 1:30:48 AM Eastern = Daylight Time, tomrex1@cox.net writes:



How do you get samples of a = dissonant choir?  In Latin?



lots of gregorian chant music out there.....tom, this is a wonderful = idea, "memory remix", i really want to hear the finished = piece.....michael

------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C4212D.772031A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 11:36:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3DFSpT17000; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:28:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:28:44 +0200 Subject: Re: "Live Looping" From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040413142550.80034.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-13 16.25, "L. Angulo" wrote: > Hi Per, > If you have any links to this subjects i would > appreciate it i myself want to have a deeper > understanding of it > c ya? > L.a Hi, I scanned my bookmarks but only found two links: http://www.digido.com/ Click on "Articles" to the left. Great explanations of some common technical issues. Also many interesting articles at http://prosoundweb.com/ Maybe a book would be better. Probably Craig Anderton has written something useful. I have used his older books when teaching studio recording and I know he has had a lot of new stuff out since then ;-) Per > > >> And for the patching stuff - like inserting effects, >> effect aux sends etc >> etc - you just have to get a book and read it once. >> It's very simple. It's >> also valuable to put some time into experimenting >> and experience the >> difference in, as an example, putting a reverb >> before or after a compressor >> in an effect chain. >> >> But working with electronics is really a lot more >> difficult than "mastering >> an instrument", being a musician. A flute is always >> a flute and even if you >> do not play especially well it may sound good in an >> ensemble situation, only >> because "it is a flute and this music is very nice >> on the flute". With >> electronics there are no rules. There is only the >> sound and that is what you >> and everybody hear. When I came into electronics, >> from a musician >> background, I found that electronics are in fact >> what I have been trying so >> hard (mostly failing) to achieve on different >> instruments: Creating sound >> that has a contextual meaning without falling into >> any tradition. Almost >> impossible as a traditional instrumentalist ;-) >> >> There are of course fashions and traditions even in >> electronic sound and its >> application in music making, but that's another >> story... >> >> Best wishes >> >> Per Boysen >> -- >> www.boysen.se >> www.looproom.com >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 11:52:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3DFlR622375; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:47:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:47:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: "Live Looping" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:47:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 thread-index: AcQhM0146sP62P+RQUKnZWvrifS5VQAOyrCg Message-Id: <20040413154719.OKFZ17557.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. Per. You always have great words of wisdom. I am picking up the technical stuff, albeit slowly. Just learning to record has been an experience. This list help a lot in that respect I started to experiment with the effects, first with delay. What came to life for me was, say, for example, the relationship between the speed of the delay, and how fast I was playing. It wasn't just about turning knobs, or even how it sounds, but how "man and machine" interact. Sort of like some of our automobiles. I too got into electronic music when the sound, for me, became as important as the music, even, or especially, the ambient sounds. You're all probably smiling, like the guru listening to his students. Yes, yes. Better late than never, as some one once told me :) Tom ********************************************* -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 1:39 AM To: Loopers Subject: Re: "Live Looping" On 04-04-13 03.15, "Tom Rex" wrote: > The one skill I don't have is engineering, so I'm sort of slow on the > technical end. And that's where some of you have an advantage over just > being a musician. Sometimes, I feel that makes the difference to belonging > to the in group, vs. just being on the list. I don't know. What do the > rest of you feel about this? I too was initially only interested in the musician side. Once upon a time (he, he...) I avoided anything related to musical engineering. I just regarded it "so boring" compared to being a musician and improvise in a group setting. Although I was quite good at setting an amp for "the right guitar sound" I didn't even notice the difference in copying cassette tapes with or without Dolby C noise suppression. At one occasion I producer got really mad at me for this, since my ignorance did made his engineering work look bad in public. This incidence made me start thinking about "frequencies" as well as the ordinary musical expressions. I bought a cassette porta studio (this happened in the early eighties) and started learning to combine frequencies to fill up the spectrum that we as humans are able to hear. And I found that "painting with frequencies" is not very different from painting with melodies, sound shaping or musical performance attitude, which are the parameters you learn to use in group improvisation. And for the patching stuff - like inserting effects, effect aux sends etc etc - you just have to get a book and read it once. It's very simple. It's also valuable to put some time into experimenting and experience the difference in, as an example, putting a reverb before or after a compressor in an effect chain. But working with electronics is really a lot more difficult than "mastering an instrument", being a musician. A flute is always a flute and even if you do not play especially well it may sound good in an ensemble situation, only because "it is a flute and this music is very nice on the flute". With electronics there are no rules. There is only the sound and that is what you and everybody hear. When I came into electronics, from a musician background, I found that electronics are in fact what I have been trying so hard (mostly failing) to achieve on different instruments: Creating sound that has a contextual meaning without falling into any tradition. Almost impossible as a traditional instrumentalist ;-) There are of course fashions and traditions even in electronic sound and its application in music making, but that's another story... Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 13:18:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3DHAhw05252; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:10:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:10:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1d5.1e9ec358.2dad7905@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:10:29 EDT Subject: Re: Live Looping(TM?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've been assuming that "Live Looping" was an effort to establish a brand > for some set of music. well, it's certainly been used as a descriptive term to promote events at which "live looping devices" have been used > I think branding is useful because it gives an > audience points of reference. If they like some music associated with the > brand, they can have a reasonable expectation to like other music associated > with the brand. But what is the brand promise of "Live Looping"? Personally, I'd say the brand promise is "The music you hear tonight is produced live, with no pre-recorded samples." To me , that makes a lot of difference, the sound that is heard could even be the same, (theoretically, you could tape any live performance and then play it back as your "gig"), but the experience of the audience is very different. "Looping" is usually considered to be a studio technique, or so it seems. The taking of a piece of music and repeating it. "Live Looping" then is some kind of impossibility(apparently), "livelooping" is what I call my music. > Once that's > resolved, then it's a separate issue to decide whether or not "Live Looping" > is the best label for that brand promise. Surely the issue is 1) whether someone wants to use a term to describe their music. 2) whether this somehow detracts from someone else's efforts > > Frippertronics is an example of an overly successful brand. > > A number of record labels have successfully defined brands over the years. > It's reasonably clear what is meant by the ECM sound though ECM's roster is > pretty diverse. Windham Hill had a fairly distinctive sound before William > Ackerman sold out. > 4AD has or had a fair degree of consistency as well. oh, that was "Reverb music" wasn't it :-) > > Returning to the "Live Looping" brand, I pose the following questions: > > Is anyone who uses a looping device live doing something that would fit > under the term "Live Looping"? if they want to describe their music as "Live Looping", then all they have to do is start using the term. ...maybe they wouldn't want to do that. > If yes, then how much value does the term have -- outside perhaps of Santa > Cruz -- for audiences? Value? as description? probably more than "Acoustic Music" and less than "Death Metal" one day, it may mean as much as "fingerpickin' guitar" > If no, then we hit on the issue that seems to bother a number of people here > which is that they feel they are using a looper live but aren't part of the > "live looping" movement. well you'd think that judging from the amount of feeling generated by this question , but somehow I never heard anyone complain that they were excluded. > What is it that distinguishes "live looping" from > music involving the use of looping devices in a live context? perhaps that the music could not exist without a live looping device > Is it > something that an audience can recognize? audiences have a variable capacity for perception > > Can you do live looping in the studio yes, just like "live in the studio" ...I like these easy questions > > Fundamentally, what is it that the "Live Looping" brand represents? hopefully, "something new and interesting" > Is it > something that is useful to audiences and if so how? If I didn't loop > myself, what is it that would make me want to go to a Live Looping event or > buy music identified as Live Looping? If it isn't useful to audiences why > use it as a brand? So really, my point is that this debate could go round for ever, because essentially someone just used some words, and someone else said " why are you using those words". There isn't really a deep satisfying answer to be had here, just a matter of observing :- 1) A few people say they're part of a "Live Looping Movement", 2) Someone called their music Live Looping. 3) There was serious concern at one time that the term "Looping" was being used to describe a particular type of music, and that this might be bad for "Looping" in general. and what somewhat added to the confusion 4) Someone else once wrote that "live looping" was a genre of music. > Mark Hope this clarifies in some way. > > P.S. This is written as someone who suspects that what he is doing is "Live > Looping". ..and this is written as someone whose music is largely unclassifyable. However bad "livelooping" might be as a term for the music I produce using a looping setup , it's about as good as I'll find. andy butler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 14:19:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3DIF3i21115; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:15:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:15:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040413181454.38703.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:14:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: "Live Looping" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks bro! L.a --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 04-04-13 16.25, "L. Angulo" > wrote: > > > Hi Per, > > If you have any links to this subjects i would > > appreciate it i myself want to have a deeper > > understanding of it > > c ya? > > L.a > > > Hi, > > I scanned my bookmarks but only found two links: > > http://www.digido.com/ > Click on "Articles" to the left. Great explanations > of some common technical > issues. Also many interesting articles at > http://prosoundweb.com/ > > Maybe a book would be better. Probably Craig > Anderton has written something > useful. I have used his older books when teaching > studio recording and I > know he has had a lot of new stuff out since then > ;-) > > Per > > > > > > > > > >> And for the patching stuff - like inserting > effects, > >> effect aux sends etc > >> etc - you just have to get a book and read it > once. > >> It's very simple. It's > >> also valuable to put some time into experimenting > >> and experience the > >> difference in, as an example, putting a reverb > >> before or after a compressor > >> in an effect chain. > >> > >> But working with electronics is really a lot more > >> difficult than "mastering > >> an instrument", being a musician. A flute is > always > >> a flute and even if you > >> do not play especially well it may sound good in > an > >> ensemble situation, only > >> because "it is a flute and this music is very > nice > >> on the flute". With > >> electronics there are no rules. There is only the > >> sound and that is what you > >> and everybody hear. When I came into electronics, > >> from a musician > >> background, I found that electronics are in fact > >> what I have been trying so > >> hard (mostly failing) to achieve on different > >> instruments: Creating sound > >> that has a contextual meaning without falling > into > >> any tradition. Almost > >> impossible as a traditional instrumentalist ;-) > >> > >> There are of course fashions and traditions even > in > >> electronic sound and its > >> application in music making, but that's another > >> story... > >> > >> Best wishes > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> -- > >> www.boysen.se > >> www.looproom.com > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > -- > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 14:58:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3DIsrn32234; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:54:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:54:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <86.962d083.2dad9171@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:54:41 EDT Subject: Re: Have you been there, done that? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_86.962d083.2dad9171_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_86.962d083.2dad9171_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/13/04 11:02:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomrex1@cox.net writes: > http://www.smc.maricopa.edu/sub1/inet/esp/yaqui.html > > thanks tom.....interesting mix of cultures.....michael --part1_86.962d083.2dad9171_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/13/04 11:02:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomrex1@cox.net write= s:


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thanks tom.....interesting mix of cultures.....michael --part1_86.962d083.2dad9171_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 16:29:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3DKJaZ15028; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:19:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:19:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1d5.1e9ec358.2dad7905@aol.com> References: <1d5.1e9ec358.2dad7905@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:38:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Live Looping(TM?) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1130240526==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1130240526==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:10 PM -0400 4/13/04, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >Personally, I'd say the brand promise is >"The music you hear tonight is produced live, with no pre-recorded samples." Some of us use recordings as source materials. Others perform with looping software such as Live or radiaL. Personally, I don't consider myself so much as a "looper" as a performer of live electroacoustic music. Looping in my case is one technique among many. I gladly participate in events billed as "looping" performances and I consider myself part of the looping community, but this does not preclude my membership in other creative communities. Others among this group have a much stronger identification with looping and therefore may care a lot about what the music is called and how it is presented. This is fine, but such strong attitudes can get in the way of the musical comraderie. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1130240526==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Live Looping(TM?)
At 1:10 PM -0400 4/13/04, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote:

Personally, I'd say the brand promise is
"The music you hear tonight is produced live, with no pre-recorded samples."

Some of us use recordings as source materials.

Others perform with looping software such as Live or radiaL.


Personally, I don't consider myself so much as a "looper" as a  performer of live electroacoustic music.

Looping in my case is one technique among many.

I gladly participate in events billed as "looping" performances and I consider myself part of the looping community, but this does not preclude my membership in other creative communities. Others among this group have a much stronger identification with looping and therefore may care a lot about what the music is called and how it is presented. This is fine, but such strong attitudes can get in the way of the musical comraderie.
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--============_-1130240526==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 17:48:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3DLgsW04351; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:42:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:42:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:05:47 -0500 Subject: Gig spam in Memphis From: "Richard J. Roberts" To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.safepages.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Although I seldom post anything to this list, I lurk very intensely and follow many of the discussions. However, I do have a gig coming up in Memphis, TN where I will be doing a bunch of looping. If anyone is planning on being in the Mid-South area and would like to attend, email me to arrange tickets. Richard -- Richard J. Roberts / ZERO OHMS FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: ZERO OHMS will be presented in an concert of ambient music on May 29th 2004 at 8:00pm at the Massage Institute of Memphis (that's at the corner of Poplar & Highland) Admission is $15, and that includes a copy of Zero Ohms' new CD, Spacial Glacial Nebulous Seating is limited, so bring a lawn chair, or a cushion so you can stretch out on the carpeted floor! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 18:19:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3DMEB610293; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:14:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:14:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c421a4$a6a411e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: response to Mark Hamburg (live looping brand) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:14:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a long one, so press delete immediately, but I wanted to respond to Mark Hamburg's last post in detail and then cease and desist on the subject. Mark wrote: "I've been assuming that "Live Looping" was an effort to establish a brand for some set of music. " An incorrect assumption as far as my involvement has been, Mark. "Live Looping" was used as the only common denominator that a bunch of diverse musicians (who still were part of a central community and internet forum: Loopers Delight) used and, at the same time, was a catchy term that I could get journalists and radio DJs into. It worked, so I kept using it. The paradigm of modern concert production since the mid seventies in the US at least has been one where the promoters have tried to put similar acts together on a bill, surmising that everyone wants to hear the same kind of music in an evening. It has reflected what I consider the continued 'ghettoization' of music by the entertainment industry and radio infrastructure (that has become increasingly monopolized by people who are more interested in profits than creativity, but don't get me started.................lol). One of my production heroes, the late and controversial Bill Graham, in his early years tried specifically to mix up the musical styles on a bill because he thought that young people were too narrow and uneducated in their tastes in music. He purposefully would put Duke Ellington and Jimi Hendrix on the same bill, self conciously trying to turn each other's fans onto each other. I loved this concept and learned a lot about music that I didn't know by going to many of his concerts...............lol.............my first concert at the age of 16 was my hippy sister taking me to see Canned Heat and Gordon Lightfoot (both bands I didn't even know). When I first started doing these small non-profit concerts, I was personally delighted that a specifically titled Bass Looping Festival would have acts as diverse as the ambience of a Scott Khunga Drengsen to the however you could categorize Steve Lawson's beautiful music to me banging away on a prepared bass with martini skewers......lol. I've noticed in my own artistry that when I am confronted with really minimalist constraints that it forces me to be creative in ways that I would not normally be. Last week list member Jon Wagner, Matt Davignon and a few other artists were given only junk that the audience brought us and then told to do an entire concert using only those found 'instruments'. It was wonderfully creative and each set of musicians played very differently (all of them with looping devices, coincidentally). I loved doing these festivals for the same reasons: a common metaphor, the excitement of all involved that we were doing something with great commonality and the juice of creativity from seeing someone use the same kinds of tools you used in completely idiosyncratic ways. It was really awesome and inspiring to me and still is. So my intentions were twofold 1) Use the catchiest term I could that was both short and also described the common denominator of a performance with divergent musical styles. 2) Intentionally start to educate the people in my community about this mode of technological creation of music that I so loved and believed in: looping. So I have never intended to make the term 'Live Looping" a brand. It was merely a commonality. Hell, it was alliterative.....lol. And think of it, folks, what is looping afterall?...................what does it specifically define, musically?....................practically nothing , if we take into account the musically stylistic diversity of everyone reading this. And yet, we all know what Loopers Delight is when we log on to read the list. We know there is a lot of diversity musically here but that we are all, for some reason or other, fascinated by the technology and the things it can allow us to do, expansively, as musicians. Loopers Delight works as a term because Kim called it that and we thought it was great to come here. It's a commonality, not a description. Let me be obnoxious and write that one final time: The term LIVE LOOPING as I use it, represents a commonality; not a style; not a genre; not a brand name; not a description. It is a term that is freeing in my mind, not constricting. It is a term that not everybody likes. I completely understand why some people don't respond well to it. My friend Andre has always been uncomfortable with it. We argued up one side and down the other about it and you know, neither of us is right or wrong (though we both love to argue...............lol). If you can't relate, I have no judgement and I doubt that very few people here at Loopers Delight would either. Call what you do whatever you want. If you want to successfully promote yourself to the outside world and you are not playing conventional pop, jazz or singersongwriter material, you'll have to call it something or you wont' get press. That's been my experience at least. I used the term because I knew I could get a much better response from journalists and radio DJs. It worked where I live and seems to have worked in places as diverse as San Luis Obispo, Boston, NYC, Cambridge, Berlin and Firenze. Could I have used a different term, instead? Of course. I've discovered that promoting unusual music or music that the public is not familiar with yet always involves preaching to the converted first. It's a necessary evil and then with a small population base you try to expand the best way you can. I have also found that successful promotion of new or unusual musics has at it's heart, people who are fanatically in love with the music and who want to promote it furiously whether or not it will draw well or make lots of money. I think specifically of one of the Bay Area's new treasures of new music promotion: our own Matt Davignon. Matt was really uncomfortable with the number of multiple artist theme concerts that I and others produced called 'Festivals'. He thought the term was over used an meaningless. I disagreed with him, but he called his wonderful two day production, 'The Two Day Bay Area Voice and Electronic Thingee". Hell, I hated that term............lol......and argued with him to try and convince him to change it (do we see a continuing theme here......lol)......but it didn't matter, because Matt made it his own and assembled a wonderfully creative lineup of artists and the event was a huge success.................not even from an audience standpoint, but from an artistic and a communal standpoint. I think every one went away from the concert (and we had such luminaries as Amy X Neuburg and Cirque De Soleil's Dina Emerson so it was a hell of great bill) excited about the possibilites of solo voice and electronic processing duets. Everyone went away wanting to collaborate with artists they hadn't played with. A Voice and Electronics tribe got created at tribe.net and there are definitely plans to continue this new tradition. It doesn't really matter what it was called in a way (unless people won't write about it)..............a few people came......saw a wonderfully creative themed show and will bring more people the next time it happens. Mark also wrote: "A number of record labels have successfully defined brands over the years. It's reasonably clear what is meant by the ECM sound though ECM's roster is pretty diverse." Good point. What does ECM mean anyway? Virtually nothing, until a group of musicians banded together under a very loose banner (and the iron hand of a producer with an aesthetic vision) and took it to the world. Just because of their committment (to do shows together; to be on Manfred's label; to promote the concept as well as their music) and Manfred's single mindedness, ECM meant something for many years. He could have called it BAMMA BAMMA with that roster of artists and his drive and we would know the term today. Mark then asks: "Is anyone who uses a looping device live doing something that would fit under the term "Live Looping"? At one of the shows I put on, yes. Hans Lindauer or Massimo Liverani or Os might have a different answer, however. And they wouldn't be wrong. "If yes, then how much value does the term have -- outside perhaps of Santa Cruz -- for audiences?" As much as you invest in it: no more, no less. And a lot of people have used this argument with me in the past , "Well it works in Santa Cruz only because Santa Cruz is so sociologically anomylous". I think this is completely specious argument . It worked in Santa Cruz because we worked our asses off to promote it. Period. Point. Dot. Massimo Liverani invested his energy like hell and the Firenze Live Looping Festival was a wonderful event as a consequence. I doubt anyone knew what the term looping meant in Firenze before . "If yes, does this mean that the only real audience for a live looping event is more or less other people using looopers since all that you can predict is use of looping devices (and technical difficulties)?" Unfortunately, Mark, you don't gig very much so your experience is mostly of the Y2K3/LOOPSTOCK mode. I do many, many more live looping gigs than these festivals all the time. It's how I make a good deal of my living. I"ve played for thousands of people who are non loopers. The Metro ran an article on Amy X Neuburg calling her 'one of the most prominent looping artists'. They didn't (and it was the first time I ever saw this in print) explain what they meant. They assumed that everyone knew. That's just because we've been really over the top about promoting here. Last years Loopstock had very few people in attendance. I loved it!!!! It was one of the most inspirational gigs of the year for me and I learned a ton. So, whether I play for 500 'normals' at First Night on New Year's Eve or just to a few of the converted at last years' Loopstock, it doesn't matter to me. It just doesn't change what how I try to promote it. "If no, then we hit on the issue that seems to bother a number of people here which is that they feel they are using a looper live but aren't part of the "live looping" movement. Anyone who uses a looper live who feels left out, needs only to contact me. I'll either invite them to come play with us at the next big event or I'll take the time to help them to produce their own event in their own region. There are wonderful generous people in this community. People willing to bend over backwards to educate, to lend a helping hand. to help newbies get started. I"m bowled over by the general service nature of many of the loopers here. It makes me be proud to come here and consider myself a community member. "What is it that distinguishes "live looping" from music involving the use of looping devices in a live context? Is it something that an audience can recognize?" It really doesn't matter, although I am one who believes that audiences can and should be educated (lol, I think this tendency drives my brother crazy). What distinguished Sonny Rollins (non ECM member) from Jan Garbarek (ECM stable member)? They both played jazz. They both played sax. Would you have gone to see Jan Garbarek if he was at a jazz festival? Would you have gone to see him at a specific ECM festival. The answer to both questions would be yes, if you liked him. Is Jan Garbarek better recognized because people assocotiated him with the ECM label. Yes. Is Andre LaFosse better recongnized because of his involvement with looping in public at live looping festivals. Yes. The term doesn't negate, limit or define either artist. It's just more people to , hopefully , sell or play your music for. If, at one point, Keith Jarrett felt stifled by the term ECM and left the label (with a lot of publicity, I might add.................), that was cool too. The same goes for the talented and recently departed, Mr. LaFosse. "Can you do live looping in the studio or is the live experience an essential part and recording CDs is pointless?" Lol, the answer, Mark, is that you can do whatever you want to do. Depending on your mental set, a descriptive labelling or 'brand" term can either be constrictive or it can be expansive. It's all up to you. Personally, I have found that approaching looping with an expansive mind set has led me to learn much more about making music. It's made me happier and allowed me to play with more and more interesting artists. A lot of people seem to have fears about being boxed in..........categorized and imprisoned. As an artist, if you don't let yourself be limited by anything, then you are free to associate yourself with any community you want to be a part of. I, personally, am part of the World music community, the Looping community, the Goth community, the Avante Garde community, the Electronica community, the Commercial music community, the Acoustic Singer Songwriter community and many others. Why allow yourself to be limited? Why give this labelling stuff so fucking much power. Use Live Looping if it serves you or if you feel a part of it, Don't if you don't. " If I didn't loop myself, what is it that would make me want to go to a Live Looping event or buy music identified as Live Looping? If it isn't useful to audiences why use it as a brand?" I'm just not with you on this whole brand concept, Mark, but the Y2K2 loop festival raised $1,700 for the Cayuga Vault and helped them to stay financially solvent as the only remaining inexpensive free music venue in Santa Cruz. We had the cover of the Metro and two hours of radio interviews and on air playing to publicize that festival. Seems like the audience responded to something. The Y2K3 festival ended up by losing a little money, but the economy had really soured in the interim year in the county. I also had come back from a 2 1/2 month tour in Europe, was exhausted, broke and didn't have as much energy to promote as well as I had the year before. I'm sure that had something to do with the lower turnout. We alsotried, ambitiously to extend the festival to three days. In retrospect, it was just too much and I will scale Y2K4 down this year (and probably, for the first time in my history, be more selective about who plays because of sheer logistics). You must realize that because I wanted to help create and nurture a looping community here in Santa Cruz that I wanted everyone to feel welcome. This is not a Western paradigm, it is more of an African paradigm: everyone in the village sings and plays drums if they want. I like this and have fostered it. Consequently, the festivals have come under attack for lack of professionalism and technical glitches. In our defense, the Y2K2 festival put 48 different artists on and off stage (with NO SET CHANGE TIME planned) and the entire festival ran 15 minutes late in two full days. If you've ever produced a large multi-act festival you will realize that this is almost a miracle of excellent production and a huge testament to the fact that every single looping performer lent a hand and were concious about their set times. You yourself have complained of these technical glitches Mark, but ironically, you were one of the newbies, originally, who benefited from the fact that we tried to be all inclusive. I'm going to continue to be as inclusive as I can. Financially, I can't afford to lose any more money on these festivals and we may have to become more exclusive, just in order to make the festival costs back by drawing an audience. We'll see. We seem to be in a low energy cycle in the looping community (witness the dirth of people who, initially, responded to Hans call to artists for Loopstock). It will change..........just like the economy, I predict. In the meantime, anyone who wants to start using a new term (Cycletronica or whatever) to describe what it is that we already do and have been doing for years has my complete blessings. I get better publicity and name recognition here where I live with the Live Looping moniker so I'll stick with it. If it offends you, I'm really sorry. Seriously, and without any rancor at all, get out there and produce your own shows and call them whatever you want. I'll be there, cheering in the audience if it has anything remotely to do with using a looping device live. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 18:55:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3DMm4n18519; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:48:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:48:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <030501c421a9$5f3d9ec0$0400a8c0@3dplus> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: <200404132219.i3DMJBL11037@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Digitech GNX4 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:47:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0302_01C421BA.1A3E9840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:f5a3b43dea75223c59abe8b1c21b89d3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0302_01C421BA.1A3E9840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, has anyone already checked the Digitech GNX4 ? 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------=_NextPart_000_0302_01C421BA.1A3E9840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 19:43:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3DNdYs27570; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:39:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:39:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:39:26 -0700 Message-ID: <4072445D00004641@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <007301c421a4$a6a411e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: response to Mark Hamburg (live looping brand) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3DNdWo27547 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i vote for most likely 'possibly misinterpretted in the archive' comment: "recently departed, Mr. LaFosse" hehe... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "loop.pool" >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Subject: response to Mark Hamburg (live looping brand) >Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:14:12 -0700 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >This is a long one, so press delete immediately, but I wanted to respond >to >Mark Hamburg's last post in detail >and then cease and desist on the subject. > >Mark wrote: > >"I've been assuming that "Live Looping" was an effort to establish a brand >for some set of music. " > >An incorrect assumption as far as my involvement has been, Mark. "Live >Looping" was used as the only common denominator that a bunch of diverse >musicians (who still were part of a central community and internet forum: >Loopers Delight) used and, at the same time, was a catchy term >that I could get journalists and radio DJs into. It worked, so I kept using >it. > >The paradigm of modern concert production since the mid seventies in the >US >at least has been one where the promoters have tried to put >similar acts together on a bill, surmising that everyone wants to hear the >same kind of music in an evening. It has reflected what I consider the >continued 'ghettoization' of music by the entertainment industry and radio >infrastructure (that has become increasingly monopolized by people who are >more interested in profits than creativity, but don't get me >started.................lol). > >One of my production heroes, the late and controversial Bill Graham, in his >early years tried specifically to mix up the musical styles on a bill >because he thought that young people were too narrow and uneducated in their >tastes in music. He purposefully would put Duke Ellington and Jimi Hendrix >on the same bill, self conciously trying to turn each other's fans onto >each other. I loved this concept and learned a lot about music that I >didn't know by going to many of his >concerts...............lol.............my first concert at the age of 16 >was >my hippy sister taking me to see Canned Heat and Gordon Lightfoot (both >bands I didn't even know). > >When I first started doing these small non-profit concerts, I was >personally delighted that a specifically titled Bass Looping Festival would >have acts >as diverse as the ambience of a Scott Khunga Drengsen to the however you >could categorize Steve Lawson's beautiful music to me banging >away on a prepared bass with martini skewers......lol. > >I've noticed in my own artistry that when I am confronted with really >minimalist constraints that it forces me to be creative in ways that I would >not normally be. Last week list member Jon Wagner, Matt Davignon and a >few other artists were given only junk that the audience brought us and then >told to do an entire concert using only those found 'instruments'. It was >wonderfully creative and each set of musicians played very differently (all >of them with looping devices, coincidentally). I loved doing these >festivals for the same reasons: a common metaphor, the excitement of all >involved that we were doing something with great commonality and the juice >of creativity from seeing someone use the same kinds of tools you used in >completely idiosyncratic ways. It was really awesome and inspiring to me >and still is. > >So my intentions were twofold >1) Use the catchiest term I could that was both short and also described >the common denominator of a performance with divergent musical styles. >2) Intentionally start to educate the people in my community about this >mode of technological creation of music that I so loved and believed in: >looping. > >So I have never intended to make the term 'Live Looping" a brand. It >was merely a commonality. Hell, it was alliterative.....lol. > >And think of it, folks, what is looping afterall?...................what >does it specifically define, musically?....................practically >nothing , if we take into account the musically stylistic diversity of >everyone reading this. And yet, we all know what Loopers Delight is when >we log on to read the list. We know there is a lot of diversity >musically here but that we are all, for some reason or other, fascinated >by >the technology and the things it can allow us to do, expansively, as >musicians. Loopers Delight works as a term because >Kim called it that and we thought it was great to come here. It's a >commonality, not a description. > >Let me be obnoxious and write that one final time: The term LIVE >LOOPING as I use it, represents a commonality; not a style; not a genre; >not a brand name; not a description. > > It is a term that is freeing in my mind, not constricting. It is a term >that not everybody likes. I completely understand why some people don't >respond well to it. My friend Andre has always been uncomfortable with it. >We argued up one side and down the other about it and you know, >neither of us is right or wrong (though we both love to >argue...............lol). If you can't relate, I have no judgement and >I >doubt that very few people here at Loopers Delight would either. Call what >you do whatever you want. If you want to successfully promote yourself to >the outside world and you are not playing conventional pop, jazz or >singersongwriter material, you'll have to call it something or you wont' >get press. That's been my experience at least. > >I used the term because I knew I could get a much better response from >journalists and radio DJs. It worked where I live and seems to have worked >in places as diverse as San Luis Obispo, Boston, NYC, Cambridge, Berlin >and Firenze. > >Could I have used a different term, instead? Of course. I've >discovered that promoting unusual music or music that the public is not >familiar with yet always involves preaching to the converted first. It's >a >necessary evil and then with a small population base you try to expand the >best way you can. > >I have also found that successful promotion of new or unusual musics has >at >it's heart, people who are >fanatically in love with the music and who want to promote it furiously >whether or not it will draw well or make lots of money. > >I think specifically of one of the Bay Area's new treasures of new music >promotion: our own Matt Davignon. Matt was really uncomfortable with >the number of multiple artist theme concerts that I and others produced >called 'Festivals'. He thought the term was over used an meaningless. >I disagreed with him, but he called his wonderful two day production, 'The >Two Day Bay Area Voice and Electronic Thingee". > >Hell, I hated that term............lol......and argued with him to try and >convince him to change it (do we see a continuing theme >here......lol)......but it didn't matter, because Matt made it his own and >assembled a wonderfully creative lineup of artists >and the event was a huge success.................not even from an audience >standpoint, but from an artistic and a communal standpoint. I think every >one >went away from the concert (and we had such luminaries as Amy X Neuburg and >Cirque De Soleil's Dina Emerson so it was a hell of great bill) excited >about the possibilites of solo voice and electronic processing duets. >Everyone went away wanting to collaborate with artists they hadn't played >with. A Voice and Electronics tribe got created at tribe.net and there >are >definitely plans to continue this new tradition. It doesn't really matter >what it was called in a way (unless people won't write about >it)..............a few people came......saw a wonderfully creative themed >show and will bring more people the next time it happens. > >Mark also wrote: >"A number of record labels have successfully defined brands over the years. >It's reasonably clear what is meant by the ECM sound though ECM's roster >is >pretty diverse." > >Good point. What does ECM mean anyway? Virtually nothing, until a group >of musicians banded together under a very loose banner >(and the iron hand of a producer with an aesthetic vision) and took it to >the world. Just because of their committment (to do shows together; to >be >on Manfred's label; to promote the concept as well as their music) and >Manfred's single mindedness, ECM meant something for many years. >He could have called it BAMMA BAMMA with that roster of artists and his >drive and we would know the term today. > > > Mark then asks: >"Is anyone who uses a looping device live doing something that would fit >under the term "Live Looping"? > >At one of the shows I put on, yes. Hans Lindauer or Massimo Liverani or >Os might have a different answer, however. And they wouldn't be wrong. > >"If yes, then how much value does the term have -- outside perhaps of Santa >Cruz -- for audiences?" > >As much as you invest in it: no more, no less. And a lot of people >have used this argument with me in the past , "Well it works in Santa Cruz >only because Santa Cruz is so sociologically anomylous". I think this >is >completely specious argument > >. It worked in Santa Cruz because we worked our asses off to promote it. >Period. Point. Dot. > >Massimo Liverani invested his energy like hell and the Firenze Live Looping >Festival was a wonderful event as a consequence. I doubt anyone knew what >the term looping meant in Firenze before . > >"If yes, does this mean that the only real audience >for a live looping event is more or less other people using looopers since >all that you can predict is use of looping devices (and technical >difficulties)?" > >Unfortunately, Mark, you don't gig very much so your experience is mostly >of the Y2K3/LOOPSTOCK mode. I do many, many more live looping gigs than >these festivals all the time. It's how I make a good deal of my living. >I"ve played for thousands of people who are non loopers. > >The Metro ran an article on Amy X Neuburg calling her 'one of the most >prominent looping artists'. They didn't (and it was the first time I ever >saw this in print) explain what they meant. They assumed that everyone >knew. That's just because we've been really over the top about promoting >here. > >Last years Loopstock had very few people in attendance. I loved it!!!! >It was one of the most inspirational gigs of the year for me and I learned >a >ton. So, whether I play for 500 'normals' at First Night on New Year's >Eve or just to a few of the converted at last years' Loopstock, it doesn't >matter to me. It just doesn't change what how I try to promote it. > >"If no, then we hit on the issue that seems to bother a number of people >here >which is that they feel they are using a looper live but aren't part of the >"live looping" movement. > >Anyone who uses a looper live who feels left out, needs only to contact me. >I'll either invite them to come play with us at the next big event or I'll >take the time to help them to produce their own event in their own region. >There are wonderful generous people in this community. People willing to >bend over backwards to educate, to lend a helping hand. to help newbies >get >started. I"m bowled over by the general service nature of many of the >loopers here. It makes me be proud to come here and consider myself a >community member. > >"What is it that distinguishes "live looping" from >music involving the use of looping devices in a live context? Is it >something that an audience can recognize?" > >It really doesn't matter, although I am one who believes that audiences can >and should be educated (lol, I think this tendency drives my brother crazy). > > What distinguished Sonny Rollins (non ECM member) from Jan Garbarek (ECM >stable member)? They both played jazz. >They both played sax. Would you have gone to see Jan Garbarek if he was >at a jazz festival? Would you have gone to see him at a specific >ECM festival. The answer to both questions would be yes, if you liked him. >Is Jan Garbarek better recognized because people assocotiated him >with the ECM label. Yes. Is Andre LaFosse better recongnized because >of >his involvement with looping in public at live looping festivals. Yes. >The term doesn't negate, limit or define either artist. It's just more >people to , hopefully , sell or play your music for. If, at one point, >Keith Jarrett >felt stifled by the term ECM and left the label (with a lot of publicity, >I >might add.................), that was cool too. The same goes for >the talented and recently departed, Mr. LaFosse. > >"Can you do live looping in the studio or is the live experience an >essential >part and recording CDs is pointless?" > >Lol, the answer, Mark, is that you can do whatever you want to do. >Depending on your mental set, a descriptive labelling or 'brand" term >can either be constrictive or it can be expansive. It's all up to you. >Personally, I have found that approaching looping with an expansive mind >set >has led me to learn much more about making music. It's made me happier and >allowed me to play with more and more interesting artists. > >A lot of people seem to have fears about being boxed in..........categorized >and imprisoned. As an artist, if you don't let yourself be limited by >anything, then you are free to associate yourself with any community you >want to be a part of. I, personally, am part of the World music >community, the Looping community, the Goth community, the Avante Garde >community, the Electronica community, the Commercial music community, the >Acoustic Singer Songwriter community and many others. Why allow yourself >to be limited? Why give this labelling stuff so fucking much power. >Use Live Looping if it serves you or if you feel a part of it, Don't if >you >don't. > > >" If I didn't loop myself, what is it that would make me want to go to a >Live Looping event or >buy music identified as Live Looping? If it isn't useful to audiences why >use it as a brand?" > >I'm just not with you on this whole brand concept, Mark, but the Y2K2 loop >festival raised $1,700 for the Cayuga Vault and helped them to >stay financially solvent as the only remaining inexpensive free music venue >in Santa Cruz. We had the cover of the Metro and two hours of radio >interviews and on air playing to publicize that festival. Seems like the >audience responded to something. > >The Y2K3 festival ended up by losing a little money, but the economy had >really soured in the interim year in the county. I also had come back from >a 2 1/2 month tour in Europe, was exhausted, broke and didn't have as much >energy to promote as well as I had the year before. I'm sure that had >something to do with the lower turnout. We alsotried, ambitiously to extend >the festival to three days. In retrospect, it was just too much and I will >scale Y2K4 down this year (and probably, for the first time in my history, >be more selective about who plays because of sheer logistics). > >You must realize that because I wanted to help create and nurture a looping >community here in Santa Cruz that I wanted everyone to feel welcome. >This is not a Western paradigm, it is more of an African paradigm: >everyone in the village sings and plays drums if they want. I like this >and have fostered it. Consequently, the festivals have come under >attack for lack of professionalism and technical glitches. In our defense, >the Y2K2 festival put 48 different artists on and off stage (with NO SET >CHANGE TIME planned) and the entire festival ran 15 minutes late in two full >days. If you've ever produced a large multi-act festival you will realize >that this is almost a miracle of excellent production and a huge testament >to the fact that every single looping performer lent a hand and were >concious about their set times. > > You yourself have complained of these technical glitches Mark, but >ironically, you were one of the newbies, originally, who benefited from >the >fact that we tried to be all inclusive. > >I'm going to continue to be as inclusive as I can. Financially, I can't >afford to lose any more money on these festivals and we may have to become >more exclusive, just in order to make the festival costs back by drawing >an >audience. We'll see. > > We seem to be in a low energy cycle in the looping community (witness >the dirth of people who, initially, responded to Hans call to artists for >Loopstock). It will change..........just like the economy, I predict. > >In the meantime, anyone who wants to start using a new term (Cycletronica >or whatever) to describe what it is that we already do and have been doing >for years has my complete blessings. I get better publicity and name >recognition here where I live with the Live Looping moniker so I'll stick >with it. If it offends you, I'm really sorry. Seriously, and >without any rancor at all, get out there and produce your own shows and >call them whatever you want. I'll be there, cheering in the audience >if >it has anything remotely to do with using a looping device live. > >Rick > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 19:51:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3DNm9q29389; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:48:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:48:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013e01c421b1$c8b26900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: art rock recommendations? Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:48:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Somehow I completely missed out on the whole Henry Cow/Art Bears phenomenon. I think I was really sick of prog rock at the time that they started making records so I foolishly dismissed them without ever even hearing them. Ahhhhh, the follies of youth. Anyway, a good friend of mine from this list, the looping trumpeteer/singer/multi-instrumentalist, George Demarest highly recommended that I check out Chris Cutler, the innovative drummer with some of those groups (who he just saw perform in Boston) and I realized that I knew nothing about the whole scene and wondered if anyone here would give me a desert Island disc list of 3-5 CDs that they think are the best of this group of people. Any Henry Cow/Art Bears fans out there who want to initiate a newbie? eagerly anticipating a reply, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 20:04:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3DNucB31425; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:56:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:56:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007301c421a4$a6a411e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <007301c421a4$a6a411e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:55:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: response to Mark Hamburg (live looping brand) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:14 PM -0700 4/13/04, loop.pool wrote: >"Live Looping" was used as the only common denominator that a bunch >of diverse musicians...used and, at the same time, was a catchy >term that I could get journalists and radio DJs into. It worked, so >I kept using it. >One of my production heroes, the late and controversial Bill Graham, >in his early years tried specifically to mix up the musical styles >on a bill because he thought that young people were too narrow and >uneducated in their tastes in music. He purposefully would put >Duke Ellington and Jimi Hendrix >on the same bill, self conciously trying to turn each other's fans >onto each other. > >When I first started doing these small non-profit concerts, I was >personally delighted that a specifically titled Bass Looping >Festival would have acts as diverse as the ambience of a Scott >Khunga Drengsen to the however you could categorize Steve Lawson's >beautiful music to me banging away on a prepared bass with martini >skewers......lol. > >So my intentions were twofold >1) Use the catchiest term I could that was both short and also >described the common denominator of a performance with divergent >musical styles. >2) Intentionally start to educate the people in my community about >this mode of technological creation of music that I so loved and >believed in: looping. > >So I have never intended to make the term 'Live Looping" a brand. >It was merely a commonality. Well said! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 20:32:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3E0Nkc05639; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:23:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:23:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: "Live Looping" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:23:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 thread-index: AcQhbO0GJTBsmVDqQnW2GxZjqf2zMQASS8mQ Message-Id: <20040414002338.YXOK16022.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <4fQMiB.A.6XB.SSIfAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why doesn't someone write a book entitled "Live Looping for Dummies" that should catch on, like all the other "for dummies" books. Any takers? Tom -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:29 AM To: Loopers Subject: Re: "Live Looping" On 04-04-13 16.25, "L. Angulo" wrote: > Hi Per, > If you have any links to this subjects i would > appreciate it i myself want to have a deeper > understanding of it > c ya? > L.a Hi, I scanned my bookmarks but only found two links: http://www.digido.com/ Click on "Articles" to the left. Great explanations of some common technical issues. Also many interesting articles at http://prosoundweb.com/ Maybe a book would be better. Probably Craig Anderton has written something useful. I have used his older books when teaching studio recording and I know he has had a lot of new stuff out since then ;-) Per > > >> And for the patching stuff - like inserting effects, >> effect aux sends etc >> etc - you just have to get a book and read it once. >> It's very simple. It's >> also valuable to put some time into experimenting >> and experience the >> difference in, as an example, putting a reverb >> before or after a compressor >> in an effect chain. >> >> But working with electronics is really a lot more >> difficult than "mastering >> an instrument", being a musician. A flute is always >> a flute and even if you >> do not play especially well it may sound good in an >> ensemble situation, only >> because "it is a flute and this music is very nice >> on the flute". With >> electronics there are no rules. There is only the >> sound and that is what you >> and everybody hear. When I came into electronics, >> from a musician >> background, I found that electronics are in fact >> what I have been trying so >> hard (mostly failing) to achieve on different >> instruments: Creating sound >> that has a contextual meaning without falling into >> any tradition. Almost >> impossible as a traditional instrumentalist ;-) >> >> There are of course fashions and traditions even in >> electronic sound and its >> application in music making, but that's another >> story... >> >> Best wishes >> >> Per Boysen >> -- >> www.boysen.se >> www.looproom.com >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 20:43:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3E0dXH09895; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:39:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:39:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: "Live Looping" for Dummies Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:39:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040414002338.YXOK16022.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Thread-Index: AcQhbO0GJTBsmVDqQnW2GxZjqf2zMQASS8mQAACu5oA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20040414003925.KGNX25138.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----> Because dummies can't loop G -----Original Message----- From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: "Live Looping" Why doesn't someone write a book entitled "Live Looping for Dummies" that should catch on, like all the other "for dummies" books. Any takers? Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 13 21:27:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3E1O0f23567; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:24:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:24:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <013e01c421b1$c8b26900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <013e01c421b1$c8b26900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:23:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: art rock recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-VBS-Filter-Version: 1.15 (well.com modified) (smtp) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:48 PM -0700 4/13/04, loop.pool wrote: >Any Henry Cow/Art Bears fans out there who want to initiate a newbie? Assuming that you're asking specifically about HC/AB disks: Their first, "Leg End" (AKA Legend), is a little along Zappa / Hatfield and the North lines. Their last, "Western Culture" is very strong and instrumental. My current fave. Their third (or fourth, depending how you count), "In Praise of Learning", is closer to the direction they would end up going with Art Bears. If you like or can tolerate Dagmar Krause's voice on I.P.O.L. then move on to Art Bears. I would try Art Bears "Hopes and Fears" first, I guess. Some bands in a similar dark vein: Magma Univers Zero Art Zoyd Present Hamster Theatre -C -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 00:26:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3E4M4I32340; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:22:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:22:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c421d8$645a2b60$cdeda344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <77.2684e8bd.2dab3962@aol.com> <005a01c420da$9a7477e0$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: wah-wah music - Re: "Live Looping" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:24:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C421B6.DC991180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.237.205] at Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:22:00 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C421B6.DC991180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: wah-wah music - Re: "Live Looping"And I do like mid-seventies Miles! = :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Muir=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:19 PM Subject: Re: wah-wah music - Re: "Live Looping" Mid-seventies Miles was remarkably close to this. -C At 6:07 PM -0400 4/12/04, David Kirkdorffer wrote: Now THIS is something I'd LOVE to hear!!!!! :-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: LinkTomlin@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: Re: "Live Looping" Is there such a thing as wah-wah music?? If everything being created in a set was pumped through a wah wah = then maybe there would be. --=20 | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C421B6.DC991180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: wah-wah music - Re: "Live Looping"
And I do like mid-seventies Miles! = :-)
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Subject: Re: wah-wah music - = Re: "Live=20 Looping"


Mid-seventies Miles was remarkably close to this.

-C

At 6:07 PM -0400 4/12/04, David Kirkdorffer wrote:
Now = THIS is=20 something I'd LOVE to hear!!!!!  :-))

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From: LinkTomlin@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: "Live Looping"
Is there such a thing as wah-wah = music??

If=20 everything being created in a set was pumped through a wah wah = then=20 maybe there would be.


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    =20 cbm@well.com     =20 = |           =    =20 - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C421B6.DC991180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 00:39:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3E4bGP03803; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:37:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:37:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c421da$851d65e0$cdeda344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040414002338.YXOK16022.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Subject: Re: "Live Looping" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:39:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.237.205] at Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:37:13 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom - It's being done. Each of our posts is another page in the book that we are collectively writing together. :-) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Rex" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: RE: "Live Looping" > Why doesn't someone write a book entitled "Live Looping for Dummies" that > should catch on, like all the other "for dummies" books. > > Any takers? > > Tom > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:29 AM > To: Loopers > Subject: Re: "Live Looping" > > On 04-04-13 16.25, "L. Angulo" wrote: > > > Hi Per, > > If you have any links to this subjects i would > > appreciate it i myself want to have a deeper > > understanding of it > > c ya? > > L.a > > > Hi, > > I scanned my bookmarks but only found two links: > > http://www.digido.com/ > Click on "Articles" to the left. Great explanations of some common technical > issues. Also many interesting articles at http://prosoundweb.com/ > > Maybe a book would be better. Probably Craig Anderton has written something > useful. I have used his older books when teaching studio recording and I > know he has had a lot of new stuff out since then ;-) > > Per > > > > > > > > > >> And for the patching stuff - like inserting effects, > >> effect aux sends etc > >> etc - you just have to get a book and read it once. > >> It's very simple. It's > >> also valuable to put some time into experimenting > >> and experience the > >> difference in, as an example, putting a reverb > >> before or after a compressor > >> in an effect chain. > >> > >> But working with electronics is really a lot more > >> difficult than "mastering > >> an instrument", being a musician. A flute is always > >> a flute and even if you > >> do not play especially well it may sound good in an > >> ensemble situation, only > >> because "it is a flute and this music is very nice > >> on the flute". With > >> electronics there are no rules. There is only the > >> sound and that is what you > >> and everybody hear. When I came into electronics, > >> from a musician > >> background, I found that electronics are in fact > >> what I have been trying so > >> hard (mostly failing) to achieve on different > >> instruments: Creating sound > >> that has a contextual meaning without falling into > >> any tradition. Almost > >> impossible as a traditional instrumentalist ;-) > >> > >> There are of course fashions and traditions even in > >> electronic sound and its > >> application in music making, but that's another > >> story... > >> > >> Best wishes > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> -- > >> www.boysen.se > >> www.looproom.com > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:44:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.163.237.205] at Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:42:21 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree with Andre. This was what I was trying to say with my FuzzBox / wah-wah music post. Perhaps he's more successful / gentle than I am. :-) I feel defining the actual stylistic musical qualities output from a technique (looping) requiring specific tools to accomplish would be about as informative as defining the musical output of a guitar player who actively uses "hammer-off's" in his/her playing. David Player of music that sometimes uses both hammer-on's and hammer-offs occasionally also with a FuzzBox but (so far) without a wah-wah. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Cholmondeley" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 2:16 AM Subject: Naming what we do... > Hey folks > > >>I would be interested in knowing if a group of > >>individuals consciously sat down and thought about > >>naming music as "Jazz" "Rock n Roll" "Salsa" "Blues" > >>etc.or was it perhaps just a popular term which > >>eventually spread out? > > > But see -- ALL of those musics can be done with 'looping' . I feel that it's > not so much a 'form' or 'category' of music as it is a 'technique' or > 'method' that can, and seemingly has been - applied to ANY type of music. > > BTW - I am in Newport RI right now having a great time on a small tour with > one of the masters of electronic/experimental music - Don Preston. I'll > point ya to the tour diary when it exists - a highlight so far was the > Boston gig and the earlier Berklee seminar by Don - fantastic!! Berklee VP > and old buddy of Don's Gary Burton showed up at the end - that was tres > cool...Remaining dates are below. > > > What do we call the music?? Electronic/experimental/musque concrete and free > jazz..... With loads of looping. > > -peace - andre' (east coast) > BTW - how funny is it that BOTH andre's have performed with DON PRESTON. > What's going on here???!!! is this some kind of loop?? > > Don Preston Akashic Ensemble APRIL 2004 > Electronics, brass , percussion, samples, weirdness, poems: > > Don Preston - Moog Voyager Analog synth, sampler, etc - > Andre' Cholmondeley - guitar, filters, loops, samples etc > Cheri Jiosne- drums, electronics, percussion, loops synth etc > Elliott Levin -saxes, flute, poetry > Dave Ballou - trumpet/FX (ON APR 4, 14 only!) > > Sun Apr 11 Colony Cafe' Woodstock NY -Akashic+ Preston Trio* > Wed Apr 14 The Saint 601 Main St Asbury Park NJ > > *TRIO-- Don Preston/piano, Ken Filiano/ac. bass, Gregg Bendian/drums > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 01:04:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3E4rPS08205; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:53:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.144.86] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danioore@hotmail.com From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Live Looping" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:53:18 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2004 04:53:19.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[6802EB40:01C421DC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all. ive mostly kept quiet here, checking-in on the thought provoking philisophical sides. stuff built up in my mind, and i pushed myself to share my personal explorations, inspite of insecurity and naivete... yes, Andre C., i was thinking nearly the same thing last night, ex: is documentary [film/making] a genre or a process? is it more one than the other? is it an approach that can be applied to any style of film making (ex: documentary horror romantic commedy)? why do we name creative ideas and approaches? is it to 'sell' a form? (i use the word 'sell,' not necessarilly as in for financial gain, but also as a notion of disseminating ideas: a simple way of getting people to accept/'buy into' your idea without actually experiencing it. ex: "i play garage") if we say that naming is a means of distinguishing forms, can we not say that distinguishing from one thing is a means of 'selling' another? artists whose work is frequently labled and categorized by others, sometimes become frustrated by this static compartmentalization of their dynamic creativity. perhaps it is because such naming/branding gives greater value to the form rather than the creative spirit which the form is meant to serve. most artists come to acknowledge that a 'perfect form' for an artist is the worst form for another artist, and what is at one time a 'perfect form' will, at another time, be the 'worst form'. [this is explained in wonderful, agonizing detail by kandinsky in his essay "on the question of form" in the "blaue reiter"] is everyone who uses a pen or pencil, a writer? surely not, there are painters, architects, accountants, etc., and all their subdivisions... who each use a pencil for a diffierent purpose. and i think its safe to assume pens and pencils have been used for countless other non-writing/non-drawing tasks (ex: as hair-bun pin). i say someone is a banker or an abstract painter, or a jazz musician because that is a way of communicating this individual's skill that they sell, share, or contribute with some sense of purpose. not all 'loopers' are musically oriented. and so, the name 'live looping' is a term made-up of general words with a specialized meaning (however general!) to certain musicians and audiences (ex: similarly as the word 'dominant' is a general word, with specialized meaning for certain musicians). semantically, the term 'live looping' seems about as specific as saying 'prepared penciling' or 'prepared penning' --probably even less specific, because from some of the threads ive read here, the notion of 'looping' is broader than just a musical or even a sonic concept, and often reflects some personal philosophy. by saying 'live looping,' one can refer to looping visual, kinesthetic, auditory... i mean, a massage is a 'live looping.' ... our life: composed of loops composed of loops and so on... (eat/sleep/sex -and each a loop in itself). does live looping need electronic devices?: is minimalist music considered live looping? what about jazz standards that loop the changes? (an aesthetic that might be said to come from jazz's african roots, as tribal cultures --not just in africa--, usually are concerned with maintaining a balanced cyclical union with the earth, rather than the developing, expanding and conquering, typical of western civ's idealism... which goes hand-in-hand with aristotle's notion that a story or argument must have a begining, middle and an end. in contrast to tribal cultures' frequent cyclical, nature myths.) naming a creative medium in a way that helps describe a fundamental characteristic of this medium of expression, is challenging for the dynamic creative spirit because one has to decide on where one draws their limits on his/her creative medium? since most --if not all-- people on this list are specifically concerned with live looping of sound (occassionaly in tandem with visual or other forms of loops) rather than live looping of car tires, most --if not all-- might also be satistfied to categorize (but not brand) their loop forms as "live sonic looping." [rather than just 'live looping' which is non-descript, except in its specialized definition -which is a 'specialized vague'!!] such a lable, however accurate or not, probably would not help market the creative product because it isnt a catchy name like 'rock 'n roll'. but even lables which are descriptive without being unreasonably limiting and preserve some of the catchy alliteration of 'live looping', probably wouldnt feel or sound right to most, ex: 'sentient sonic sequencing;' 'sentient sonic stringing' abrv: 'stringing!;' [sentient=live, stringiing=string or series-patterns=loops and also many of you seem to play string inst.] a name of a form should capture the spirit that the form serves. a name like 'Jazz,' when it was first used to market some club's guest band, was successful precisely because no-one knew what it was or what to expect (--what better listener is there than one without expectations?) maybe an onomatapea on the lines of pepsi can both capture the spirit that runs through your form, be discriptive and good for business? but then, who on this list uses a similar medium to express a similar creative spirit? if each individual has a unique creative spirit, even if expressed through a similar form... maybe you can just name your creative spirit rather than the form... like naming a baby (do you name the spirit or the body of your child? in some cultures (ex: native american), an individual's name changes according to significant events in the person's experience), a baby is usually named well before personality has formed, developed and matured... ultimately you want your art, like your child, to speak on its own, have a life of its own... so you can say "i play billy-bob!" is there a movement? if so, maybe the children of a movement share family name! maybe trying to come up with a most effective, and marketable name could be compared to writing a pop hit: it would seem to conform to a pattern, but with no apparent logic. "Reality TV" -is that a genre, a process, a movement!? does it have anything to do with reality? how, if at all, is it related to documentary form? ...Sentient Sonic Cycling. or just Sonic Cycling. ...or 'Living Loops' -so that the 'live' modifies 'loop' -connoting a dynamic art form, not simply static 'loops' that exists in a dynamic, 'live' world. thanks for the stimulating posts and the opportunity to share, dani oore _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 01:22:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3E5KJn16407; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:20:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:20:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c421e0$88d26fe0$cdeda344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <013e01c421b1$c8b26900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: art rock recommendations? Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:22:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.237.205] at Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:20:17 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick - My personal favorite HC was/is "In Praise Of Learning." The odd thing is when I was growing up as a teen in the latter-half of the 70's in France this stuff was as hip and happening among the other "muso's" as perhaps Stereolab is today. Anyway, here's a Henry Cow chronology -- you'll see lots of bands that listed that fell into the Henry Cow orbit. http://perso.club-internet.fr/calyx/bands/chrono/henrycow.html Some HC band history here...http://www.furious.com/perfect/henrycow.html Or search closely here: http://www.ccutler.com/bands/group02.shtml and ask Chris Cutler for recommendations. :-) If you're not already familiar with them, try adding Robert Wyatt and Soft Machine to your "exploration" list. However I *strongly* support Chris Muir's MAGMA recommendation. Now here is a band whose work defies description. Try getting Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh (1973) or MAGMA LIVE (1975). WOW! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: art rock recommendations? > Somehow I completely missed out on the whole > Henry Cow/Art Bears phenomenon. I think I was really sick of > prog rock at the time that they started making records so I foolishly > dismissed them > without ever even hearing them. Ahhhhh, the follies of youth. > > Anyway, a good friend of mine from this list, the looping > trumpeteer/singer/multi-instrumentalist, George Demarest > highly recommended that I check out Chris Cutler, the innovative drummer > with some of those groups (who he just saw > perform in Boston) and I realized that I knew nothing about the whole scene > and wondered if anyone here would > give me a desert Island disc list of 3-5 CDs that they think are the best of > this group of people. > > Any Henry Cow/Art Bears fans out there who want to initiate a newbie? > > eagerly anticipating a reply, Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 02:21:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3E6Ibf26633; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:18:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:18:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: art rock recommendations? Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:20:04 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <013e01c421b1$c8b26900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-Seen: false X-ID: ZZ2jpuZVZerfIiISM0N9j1uIhh0Kt+bRNSVjeJQ36tC4w+b+47ehwQ@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <9w3UOC.A.BgG.9eNfAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Any Henry Cow/Art Bears fans out there who want to initiate a newbie? I could have given you the complete catalog when you were here :-) I can recommend anything with Chris Cutler or Fred Frith, really. Any Henry Cow or Art Bears record for their classics. I also love the Science Group ... and Thinking Plague, an American band who makes music in a similar vein. Go here to find more: http://www.ccutler.com and http://www.fredfrith.com -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 02:39:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3E6b2D29850; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:37:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:37:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2140C9ED-8DDE-11D8-B7E1-000A95A8AF52@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Victor Nicholls Subject: Holy grails Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:36:58 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry if this is a dumb question. The EH16sec is about to be unleashed again. Just why is it so good? I understand the deep voodoo in the EDP and can see why they're worth the money. But $400 for the EH box? It's just that I've never played with one (or even seen one for real). I'm tempted by the idea of what they could do to make better music.... v From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 02:53:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3E6pYl31962; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:51:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:51:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2140C9ED-8DDE-11D8-B7E1-000A95A8AF52@mac.com> References: <2140C9ED-8DDE-11D8-B7E1-000A95A8AF52@mac.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:46:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Holy grails Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:36 AM +0100 4/14/04, Victor Nicholls wrote: >The EH16sec is about to be unleashed again. > >Just why is it so good? In previous discussions here a number of people seemed to agree that a very "workable" combination of DSP and control panel functionality had been achieved. It wasn't so much that the sound quality was so special (pretty muted and grungy as I recall) but that you could do some interesting mangling in a very spontaneous way. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 03:16:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3E73Hm01669; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:03:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:03:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:03:10 +0200 Subject: Re: art rock recommendations? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013e01c421b1$c8b26900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-14 01.48, "loop.pool" wrote: > Any Henry Cow/Art Bears fans out there who want to initiate a newbie? > > eagerly anticipating a reply, Rick Well, I'm no record collector but I've heard some concerts by Henry Cow (in the seventies). However, what really impressed me was to hear some gigs with Fred Frith (don't remember the band names) ten to fifteen years later and also talking to him about instruments he is building. He got an amzing sound from a piece of wood with steel strings and electric pick-ups on both sides of the tailpiece. He could switch between these two pickups and for some notes decide to play the strings on the right side of the tailpiece while using the pick-up on the other side to amplify only the overtones thus generated. Another cool thing, IMHO, with that "instrument" was it's utter ugliness. Very raw. No paint or design. Just a piece of wood, two pickups and some loose hanging leaders. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 03:18:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3E7GIr04129; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:16:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:16:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:16:11 +0200 Subject: Re: art rock recommendations? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On 04-04-14 01.48, "loop.pool" wrote: > >> Any Henry Cow/Art Bears fans out there who want to initiate a newbie? >> >> eagerly anticipating a reply, Rick > > On 04-04-14 09.03, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Well, I'm no record collector but I've heard some concerts by Henry Cow (in > the seventies). However, what really impressed me was to hear some gigs with > Fred Frith (don't remember the band names) ten to fifteen years later and > also talking to him about instruments he is building. He got an amzing sound > from a piece of wood with steel strings and electric pick-ups on both sides > of the tailpiece. He could switch between these two pickups and for some > notes decide to play the strings on the right side of the tailpiece while > using the pick-up on the other side to amplify only the overtones thus > generated. Another cool thing, IMHO, with that "instrument" was it's utter > ugliness. Very raw. No paint or design. Just a piece of wood, two pickups > and some loose hanging leaders. Oops. I just saw my post and want to describe that instrument a little more so you guitar nerds out there won't take it for "a guitar" ;-) It is very small and about the size of a big food plate. Fred played it with round metal objects (slide guitar technique), drum brushes or just lifted it and banged it into some other object. You can really make great music with the simplest objects. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 04:09:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3E87r314328; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:07:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:07:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:06:39 -0800 Subject: Re: Holy grails From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:36 AM +0100 4/14/04, Victor Nicholls wrote: > >> The EH16sec is about to be unleashed again. >> >> Just why is it so good? > > In previous discussions here a number of people seemed to agree that > a very "workable" combination of DSP and control panel functionality > had been achieved. It wasn't so much that the sound quality was so > special (pretty muted and grungy as I recall) but that you could do > some interesting mangling in a very spontaneous way. yeah, wot he said. listen to s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 05:52:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3E9nk129845; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:49:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:49:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.3d9388c5.2dae6332@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:49:38 EDT Subject: Re: Holy grails To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1081936177" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5015 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1081936177 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An EH16 without a foot controller...not that much fun. James -------------------------------1081936177 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable     An EH16 without a foot controller...not that much fun.= James  -------------------------------1081936177-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 09:35:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EDWIr28141; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:32:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:32:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c42224$ec4972a0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <3c.3d9388c5.2dae6332@aol.com> Subject: Re: Holy grails Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:32:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C42203.650A0BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C42203.650A0BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And it looks like the foot controller will still be needed for it(I had = a close look at the demo drawing). And $400? where did you find that quote? the cheapest I have seen = listed is $569...then factor in the remote, and you have a very = expensive pedal. http://manecolooper.tripod.com for a better alternative. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jhsidlo@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:49 AM Subject: Re: Holy grails An EH16 without a foot controller...not that much fun. James ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C42203.650A0BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And it looks like the foot controller = will still be=20 needed for it(I had a close look at the demo drawing).
 
And $400?  where did you find that = quote?  the cheapest I have seen listed is $569...then factor in = the=20 remote, and you have a very expensive pedal.
 
http://manecolooper.tripod.com for a better = alternative.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jhsidlo@aol.com=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 = 5:49=20 AM
Subject: Re: Holy grails

    An EH16 without a foot = controller...not that=20 much fun. James  ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C42203.650A0BE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 10:12:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EE3FY00432; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:03:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:03:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200404141335.i3EDZIO28802@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200404141335.i3EDZIO28802@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7737C622-8E1C-11D8-BAA7-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Holy grails Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:03:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1) There were never that many of them to begin with, scarcity/rarity makes almost any piece of gear more desirable 2) Out of production for decades 3) Might still hold record for longest delay time for a classic design delay unit 4) Allowed real time control [and footswitchability] of all the usual delay box features, plus reverse and half speed, which were rare and desirable features 5) Looks really neat 6) Was used by a number of well-regarded musicians to make interesting music 7) Non hi-fi sound quality deemed desirable by many people 8) $400 sounds about right given the number of sliders/buttons/switches and EH pricing. If a Boss DDL is $175 with four knobs and the manufacturing price advantage of a very large corporation, then and the EH Microsynth is $300 (just about the same box and number of physical controls), then $400 for a limited edition run doesn't seem out of the blue. There's that guy that handmakes EH-16 near clones for about the same money, but he's living in South America and probably not making any money on the deal, being one of those mad genius in a garage types. On Apr 14, 2004, at 6:35 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > Sorry if this is a dumb question. > > The EH16sec is about to be unleashed again. > > Just why is it so good? > > I understand the deep voodoo in the EDP and can see why they're worth > the money. > > But $400 for the EH box? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 10:32:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EES0W04528; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:28:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:28:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:32:47 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Holy grails In-Reply-To: <001601c42224$ec4972a0$6402a8c0@breakyii> Message-ID: References: <3c.3d9388c5.2dae6332@aol.com> <001601c42224$ec4972a0$6402a8c0@breakyii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Shane Whitbread wrote: > And it looks like the foot controller will still be needed for it(I had a close look at the demo drawing). > > And $400? where did you find that quote? I saw that price offer on this list this past Saturday. > http://manecolooper.tripod.com for a better alternative. Out of curiosity, who on this list *has* a looper from maneco? I don't remember anyone saying they have and use one, at least not recently. How are they? Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jhsidlo@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:49 AM > Subject: Re: Holy grails > > > An EH16 without a foot controller...not that much fun. James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 10:33:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EERAF04418; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:27:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:27:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ae01c4222c$23f3c460$69c6b944@brunkhorst> From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" To: Subject: Q:EDP Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:24:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C42202.3ADA98E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C42202.3ADA98E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been lurking for a long long time, possibly years, I don't know. = Sometimes I have time to read LD. =20 Forgive me if this has been recently covered: A friend of mine who lives = in Bangkok wants to buy an EDP. He can order it here and wire money = rather than look for it in SE Asia. I haven't looked for a long time... = where can someone score a new EDP? Best to respond privately. Many thanks. Kevin Brunkhorst Teaching Fellow, Jazz Studies University of North Texas Denton TX ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C42202.3ADA98E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been lurking for a long long time, = possibly=20 years, I don't know.  Sometimes I have time to read LD.  =
 
Forgive me if this has been recently = covered:=20 A friend of mine who lives in Bangkok = wants to buy=20 an EDP.  He can order it here and wire money rather than look for = it in SE=20 Asia.  I haven't looked for = a long=20 time... where can someone score a new EDP?
 
Best to = respond privately.
 
Many thanks.
 
Kevin Brunkhorst
Teaching Fellow, = Jazz=20 Studies
University of North Texas
Denton = TX
------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C42202.3ADA98E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 10:36:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EETl304754; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:29:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:29:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:34:34 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam (Raleigh/Durham NC) for April Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (obLoop: I regularly use an Akai Headrush, a Boss RC-20 LoopStation and a Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky in performance; the other half of Phasmatodea uses a Line6 DL-4.) I wanted to mention my upcoming shows in the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill (Research Triangle Park) area of North Carolina for the month of April: 16 April (Friday) - I am playing theremin and Chapman Stick as one-half of the duo Total Information Awareness at Ringside in Durham. This will be our first public appearance. We'll be playing an ambient trance chillout set in the fourth floor library/lounge of the club. 23 April (Friday) - I am playing Chapman Stick and theremin as one-third of the ambient/industrial improvisational looping soundscape trio Subscape Annex at Ringside in Durham. 29 April (Thursday) - I am playing Chapman Stick (possibly without theremin) as one-half of the instrumental improv duo Phasmatodea (the other half is fellow loopers-delight and Stickwire list member Adrian L) at 919noisefest#1 at Bickett Gallery in Raleigh. This also will be Phasmatodea's first public appearance. websites, directions, addresses, etc: Ringside: http://triangle.citysearch.com/profile/11478710/ Bickett Gallery: http://www.bickettgallery.com/ Subscape Annex: http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Phasmatodea, Total Information Awareness: (forthcoming) If you're in the area and can drop in to any of these, please say hello before or after the show. thanks, Steve B - Subscape Annex, Total Information Awareness, Phasmatodea From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 10:44:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EEgSK07059; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:42:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:42:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:46:14 +0200 Subject: Strange Insruments.....(was Art Rock...) From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Seen: false X-ID: JbSXF8Zcweu9hwTmaZUKuY2Pjib0JY6NzayBY+YQbPyA+UsxklZWcd Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3EEgRo07028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, Fed's guitar plate is cool. Check out (german improviser) Hans Reichel's stuff in that vein: he moved the concept of the guitar with two scales on another level by bulding an electric like that. Sounds quite unearthly when you pluck on one side of the bridge and use the pickup on the other side (recording: "Erdmännchen"/FMP). His other invention is an instrument called the "Dachsophon" that sounds quite archaic, I forgot what it's principle was... Regards, Andreas Willers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 10:59:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EEtlD08958; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:55:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:55:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <11.26ba17fa.2daeaaea@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:55:38 EDT Subject: Re: Strange Insruments.....(was Art Rock...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/14/04 7:43:39 AM, A.Willers@t-online.de writes: << His other invention is an instrument called the "Dachsophon" that sounds quite archaic, I forgot what it's principle was... >> Daxophones. Hardwood shapes, sort of bladelike, that are bowed/stroked and plucked. www.daxo.de BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 11:10:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EF23Q09684; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:02:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:02:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:02:05 -0700 Subject: Re: "Live Looping" From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I liked Dani's post. I've also responded offline to Rick Walker about what I think is a disconnect between us on what a brand means. To me it's a marketing tool that you use in the hopes that an audience will say "I liked so-and-so and she played X music so maybe I'll also like this other guy who plays X". Since none of the people who have actively used Live Looping as their moniker/brand/... have stepped forward to give an audience-based definition -- i.e., one that isn't about the technology -- let me try based on my experiences of a number of such people's work (and biased by the fact that my music falls within this label). Remember, this isn't a boundary. It's a gravitational center or a sphere of influence. Live Looping music is music that let's one hear (and see) the construction process. Through use of repetition, layering, and modification, the music evolves and builds. It is not without abrupt changes, but the changes frequently are more incremental. It is frequently built from relatively simple elements with the musical interest coming in their juxtaposition. Contrast: Process music. Again one gets to hear the evolution and again it generally relies on repetition, but process music is more likely to set a mechanism going and then have minimal interaction from a performer. Contrast: Real-time sampling. Real-time sampling is based on grabbing pieces of sound while performing and working them into the performance on the fly. It can use much the same technology as Live Looping but the loopiness of the samples is generally far less significant. Now applying the above definition of Live Looping, I'd have to say that not everyone who played Y2K3 was doing Live Looping. Some of them were doing Real-Time Sampling. If one uses the center of gravity image, it's also possible to imagine performers drifting between Live Looping and Real-time Sampling and other musical centers. I would also have to say that Ricochet-era Tangerine Dream would meet my definition of Live Looping though they weren't doing an audio looping. From an audience standpoint, however, listening to evolving sequencer lines isn't necessarily distinct from listening to Echoplex work. But then, when Hans Lindauer is performing, not everything that repeats is coming out of his EDP. And finally, it's perfectly fine to say "I just use looping as a technique to play rock'n'roll." The Live Looping label just isn't useful to you. And of course you can drift between loop-inflected rock and rock-inflected looping. From a promotional standpoint, you associate yourself with the labels that will help attract a receptive audience. It may be a bit unfortunate that the name Live Looping suggests that this is the only way to use a looper live, but bear in mind that Drum'n'Bass doesn't define the only way to play drums or bass. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 11:32:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EFQj613201; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:26:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:26:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:26:38 -0700 Message-ID: <4072445D00004C4A@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <11.26ba17fa.2daeaaea@aol.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: Strange Insruments.....(was Art Rock...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3EFQjo13176 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a recording of daxophones on an cd at home, of which I forget the complete name, but it's something like "whirligigs, something, and something else", hehe... beautiful sounding things... as well, this is a great cd in general, with glass instruments, circuit bending, etc... I'd be glad to post a sample of the daxophone recording for those interested... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: Aptrev@aol.com >Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:55:38 EDT >Subject: Re: Strange Insruments.....(was Art Rock...) >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >In a message dated 4/14/04 7:43:39 AM, A.Willers@t-online.de writes: > ><< His other invention is an > >instrument called the "Dachsophon" that sounds quite archaic, I forgot what > >it's principle was... >> > >Daxophones. >Hardwood shapes, sort of bladelike, that are bowed/stroked and plucked. > >www.daxo.de > > >BobC > > > >www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier >http://trundlebox.iuma.com >http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 12:26:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EGIXa20836; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:18:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:18:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c4223c$24d7ef90$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <3c.3d9388c5.2dae6332@aol.com> <001601c42224$ec4972a0$6402a8c0@breakyii> Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Holy grails Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:18:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A member of both www.guitargeek.com and the harmony central fourms named bmoretele (user name on both) has a nanolooper. He loves it, and posted very good reviews on both sites. I suggest checking it out for more info. Another friend of mine will have one in a month, and mine will be here by the end of the summer. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Holy grails > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Shane Whitbread wrote: > > > And it looks like the foot controller will still be needed for it(I had a close look at the demo drawing). > > > > And $400? where did you find that quote? > > I saw that price offer on this list this past Saturday. > > > http://manecolooper.tripod.com for a better alternative. > > Out of curiosity, who on this list *has* a looper from maneco? I don't > remember anyone saying they have and use one, at least not recently. How > are they? > > Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jhsidlo@aol.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:49 AM > > Subject: Re: Holy grails > > > > > > An EH16 without a foot controller...not that much fun. James > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 12:55:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EGhcB25098; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:43:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:43:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [LOOP] Re: Holy grails X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:43:36 -0400 Message-ID: <5E2EAB63AC1D8D4B9D1A597266431A59934FC6@usnap3mailfe.asg.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LOOP] Re: Holy grails Thread-Index: AcQiPJC5BJ4K3E/XQ4ijMmt3XKAmQAAAwXIg From: "Don Makoviney" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3EGhco25073 Resent-Message-ID: <-n05AB.A.CIG.6oWfAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't see a review on GuitarGeek. Can you provide a link or two? Thanks, DM -----Original Message----- From: Shane Whitbread [mailto:shanewhitbread@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Holy grails A member of both www.guitargeek.com and the harmony central fourms named bmoretele (user name on both) has a nanolooper. He loves it, and posted very good reviews on both sites. I suggest checking it out for more info. Another friend of mine will have one in a month, and mine will be here by the end of the summer. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Holy grails > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Shane Whitbread wrote: > > > And it looks like the foot controller will still be needed for it(I had a close look at the demo drawing). > > > > And $400? where did you find that quote? > > I saw that price offer on this list this past Saturday. > > > http://manecolooper.tripod.com for a better alternative. > > Out of curiosity, who on this list *has* a looper from maneco? I don't > remember anyone saying they have and use one, at least not recently. How > are they? > > Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jhsidlo@aol.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:49 AM > > Subject: Re: Holy grails > > > > > > An EH16 without a foot controller...not that much fun. James > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 13:19:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EH7ao29281; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:07:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:07:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c42243$563fee00$18c2a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <00ae01c4222c$23f3c460$69c6b944@brunkhorst> Subject: Re: Q:EDP Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:10:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C42221.CE973E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.163.194.24] at Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:07:31 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C42221.CE973E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone looking for an EDP, here are links to Gibson. =20 I suggest a few polite and kindly worded e-mails to Gibson indicating = that the Gibson / Oberheim Echoplex Pro is back ordered and that you're = looking for one might help get their attention. http://www.gibson.com/relations/mailform.html And here's an e-mail address: relations@gibson.com Yes, this is a shot in the dark -- but the more we ask about it, the = more likely our requests will be heard by the right people. David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kevin Brunkhorst=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: Q:EDP I've been lurking for a long long time, possibly years, I don't know. = Sometimes I have time to read LD. =20 Forgive me if this has been recently covered: A friend of mine who = lives in Bangkok wants to buy an EDP. He can order it here and wire = money rather than look for it in SE Asia. I haven't looked for a long = time... where can someone score a new EDP? Best to respond privately. Many thanks. Kevin Brunkhorst Teaching Fellow, Jazz Studies University of North Texas Denton TX ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C42221.CE973E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone looking for an EDP, here are = links to Gibson.  =
 
I suggest a few polite and kindly = worded=20 e-mails to Gibson indicating that the Gibson / Oberheim Echoplex Pro is = back=20 ordered and that you're looking for one might help get their=20 attention.
 
http://www.gibson.= com/relations/mailform.html
 
And here's an e-mail = address:
 
relations@gibson.com
 
Yes, this is a shot in the dark -- but = the more we=20 ask about it, the more likely our requests will be heard by the right=20 people.
 
David
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kevin=20 Brunkhorst
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 = 10:24=20 AM
Subject: Q:EDP

I've been lurking for a long long = time, possibly=20 years, I don't know.  Sometimes I have time to read LD. =20
 
Forgive me if this has been recently = covered:=20 A friend of mine who lives in = Bangkok wants to=20 buy an EDP.  He can order it here and wire money rather than look = for it=20 in SE Asia.  I haven't = looked for a=20 long time... where can someone score a new EDP?
 
Best to = respond privately.
 
Many thanks.
 
Kevin Brunkhorst
Teaching Fellow, = Jazz=20 Studies
University of North Texas
Denton=20 TX
------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C42221.CE973E20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 13:43:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EHYLO01542; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:34:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:34:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040414122723.03f86958@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:32:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Holy grails In-Reply-To: <000f01c4223c$24d7ef90$6402a8c0@breakyii> References: <3c.3d9388c5.2dae6332@aol.com> <001601c42224$ec4972a0$6402a8c0@breakyii> <000f01c4223c$24d7ef90$6402a8c0@breakyii> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:18 AM 4/14/2004, Shane Whitbread wrote: >A member of both www.guitargeek.com and the harmony central fourms named >bmoretele (user name on both) has a nanolooper. He loves it, and posted >very good reviews on both sites. I suggest checking it out for more info. Erm, just to make certain, you're referring to Nanoloop or ManecoLooper? Nanoloop is a synthesis cart for manipulating the soundchip in the Nintendo Gameboy, and there are indeed reviews for it on Harmony Central. ManecoLooper is the cool footpedal made by the LD list member from South America. I think that was merely a typo, but just want to make certain we're not getting two different devices confused with each other. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 13:49:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EHfWV02562; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:41:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:41:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040414174131.76549.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:41:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Holy grails To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001601c42224$ec4972a0$6402a8c0@breakyii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Shane Whitbread wrote: > And it looks like the foot controller will still be > needed for it(I had a close look at the demo > drawing). The same person who will be making and selling the EH16 reissue units (I'm assuming he's using the Electro-Harmonix name with that company's approval, unless I missed something), also makes and sells a foot controller for EH-16s. The foot controller is $150. > > And $400? where did you find that quote? the This person posted it himself to Looper's Delight last weekend. Yes, I took a leap of faith and put down my $100 deposit on one. If it turns out to be a mistake on my part, I will be sure to inform the list. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 15:19:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EJEZa15888; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:14:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:14:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c42254$ba70ac00$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <3c.3d9388c5.2dae6332@aol.com> <001601c42224$ec4972a0$6402a8c0@breakyii> <000f01c4223c$24d7ef90$6402a8c0@breakyii> <6.0.3.0.2.20040414122723.03f86958@spamarrest.com> Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Holy grails Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:14:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://guitargeek.com/chat/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22924&highlight=nanolooper http://guitargeek.com/chat/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22534&highlight=nanolooper These 2 threads contain most of the information on the nanolooper. And I ment Nanolooper, not nanoloop. I need a new keyboard..... Though, I would love a gameboy synthesis cart loaded into a pedal. that would rock my socks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catilyne" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Holy grails > At 11:18 AM 4/14/2004, Shane Whitbread wrote: > >A member of both www.guitargeek.com and the harmony central fourms named > >bmoretele (user name on both) has a nanolooper. He loves it, and posted > >very good reviews on both sites. I suggest checking it out for more info. > > Erm, just to make certain, you're referring to Nanoloop or > ManecoLooper? Nanoloop is a synthesis cart for manipulating the soundchip > in the Nintendo Gameboy, and there are indeed reviews for it on Harmony > Central. ManecoLooper is the cool footpedal made by the LD list member > from South America. > > I think that was merely a typo, but just want to make certain we're not > getting two different devices confused with each other. > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 15:25:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EJKim16913; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:20:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:20:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c42255$9a012f70$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <20040414174131.76549.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Holy grails Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:20:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <-QzYd.A.GIE.L8YfAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I assumed to EH16 second delay reissues was being made and distrubuted by EH themselves, not a third party, as it is on there website and they promised to upgrade the original unit. www.ehx.com http://www.midi-classics.com/h/h28278.htm is the only online store I have found it at, and it is $579, Suggested retail of $998.00, which means it will be over $1000 CDN. So, is this the EH version, or yet another clone of the EH version. I am confused and I believe missed that msg. along the way. If possible can you, or anyone else post it in a reply? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Holy grails > --- Shane Whitbread > wrote: > > And it looks like the foot controller will still be > > needed for it(I had a close look at the demo > > drawing). > > The same person who will be making and selling the > EH16 reissue units (I'm assuming he's using the > Electro-Harmonix name with that company's approval, > unless I missed something), also makes and sells a > foot controller for EH-16s. The foot controller is > $150. > > > > And $400? where did you find that quote? the > > This person posted it himself to Looper's Delight last > weekend. > > Yes, I took a leap of faith and put down my $100 > deposit on one. If it turns out to be a mistake on my > part, I will be sure to inform the list. > > Paolo > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 15:48:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EJfLb20320; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:41:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:41:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:40:02 -0800 Subject: re: FW: EH 16 Second Delay reissue IS HAPPENING!! From: To: looper people Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040410235934.12366.qmail@hostserver150.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3164791202_147244_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3164791202_147244_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit here it is shane- ---------- From: "The EH Man" Reply-To: "The EH Man" Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:59:33 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EH 16 Second Delay reissue IS HAPPENING!! Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:00:22 -0400 Guys, I just joined this list to tell you that EH is going to reissue the 16 Second Digital Delay this July. I will be offering this looping machine for the low price of $399 plus shipping. The initial run will be limited to 1000 pieces so you need to reserve yours today! You can go to http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com to place an advance deposit for your own Delay. This is the only time I will post this and I was very iffy about it because I didn't want to be seen as a spammer. In the past, members have asked me about the possibility of a reissue. Now that it's going to be a reality, I knew the members of this group would want to know. Thanks for your understanding. Ron Neely II The EH Man, All-Knowing Guru of Electro-Harmonix Electro-Harmonix info: http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com Home of RonSound effects: http://www.ronsound.com fx schematics and repairs --MS_Mac_OE_3164791202_147244_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable re: FW: EH 16 Second Delay reissue IS HAPPENING!! here it is shane-
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From: "The EH Man" <theehman@ronsound.com>
Reply-To: "The EH Man" <theehman@ronsound.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:59:33 +0000
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EH 16 Second Delay reissue IS HAPPENING!!
Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:00:22 -0400

Guys, I just joined this list to tell you that EH is going to reissue the 1= 6 Second Digital Delay this July.  I will be offering this looping mach= ine for the low price of $399 plus shipping.  The initial run will be l= imited to 1000 pieces so you need to reserve yours today!  You can go t= o http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com to place an advance deposit for your o= wn Delay.

This is the only time I will post this and I was very iffy about it because= I didn't want to be seen as a spammer.  In the past, members have aske= d me about the possibility of a reissue.  Now that it's going to be a r= eality, I knew the members of this group would want to know.  Thanks fo= r your understanding.

Ron Neely II
The EH Man, All-Knowing Guru of Electro-Harmonix
Electro-Harmonix info: http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com
Home of RonSound effects: http://www.ronsound.com
fx schematics and repairs


--MS_Mac_OE_3164791202_147244_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 15:54:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EJoIQ22371; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:50:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:50:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c42259$b807f720$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: Subject: Re: FW: EH 16 Second Delay reissue IS HAPPENING!! Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:50:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C42238.30ACF210" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C42238.30ACF210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable re: FW: EH 16 Second Delay reissue IS HAPPENING!!Wow. I totally missed = that. that is a awesome price in comparison to the one I have seen(link = posted). Very cool. Thanks for the repost. I just wonder with a SRP of $998 how much he is making off it, and if he = plans to make it up by selling more of the remote(which is a awesome = idea, and still cheaper then buying it elsewhere). ----- Original Message -----=20 From: stanitarium@earthlink.net=20 To: looper people=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 4:40 PM Subject: re: FW: EH 16 Second Delay reissue IS HAPPENING!! here it is shane- ---------- From: "The EH Man" Reply-To: "The EH Man" Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:59:33 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EH 16 Second Delay reissue IS HAPPENING!! Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:00:22 -0400 Guys, I just joined this list to tell you that EH is going to reissue = the 16 Second Digital Delay this July. I will be offering this looping = machine for the low price of $399 plus shipping. The initial run will = be limited to 1000 pieces so you need to reserve yours today! You can = go to http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com to place an advance deposit = for your own Delay. This is the only time I will post this and I was very iffy about it = because I didn't want to be seen as a spammer. In the past, members = have asked me about the possibility of a reissue. Now that it's going = to be a reality, I knew the members of this group would want to know. = Thanks for your understanding. Ron Neely II The EH Man, All-Knowing Guru of Electro-Harmonix Electro-Harmonix info: http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com Home of RonSound effects: http://www.ronsound.com fx schematics and repairs ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C42238.30ACF210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable re: FW: EH 16 Second Delay reissue IS = HAPPENING!!
Wow.  I totally missed that.  = that is a=20 awesome price in comparison to the one I have seen(link = posted).  =20 Very cool.  Thanks for the repost.
 
I just wonder with a SRP of $998 how = much he is=20 making off it, and if he plans to make it up by selling more of the = remote(which=20 is a awesome idea, and still cheaper then buying it = elsewhere).
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 stanitarium@earthlink.net =
To: looper people =
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 = 4:40=20 PM
Subject: re: FW: EH 16 Second = Delay=20 reissue IS HAPPENING!!

here it is shane-
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From: "The EH = Man"=20 <theehman@ronsound.com>
Reply-To:=20 "The EH Man" <theehman@ronsound.com>
Date:=20 Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:59:33 +0000
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 EH 16 Second Delay reissue IS HAPPENING!!
Resent-From: = Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Resent-Date:=20 Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:00:22 -0400

Guys, I just joined this = list to=20 tell you that EH is going to reissue the 16 Second Digital Delay this = July.=20  I will be offering this looping machine for the low price of = $399 plus=20 shipping.  The initial run will be limited to 1000 pieces so you = need to=20 reserve yours today!  You can go to = http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com=20 to place an advance deposit for your own Delay.

This is the = only time I=20 will post this and I was very iffy about it because I didn't want to = be seen=20 as a spammer.  In the past, members have asked me about the = possibility=20 of a reissue.  Now that it's going to be a reality, I knew the = members of=20 this group would want to know.  Thanks for your = understanding.

Ron=20 Neely II
The EH Man, All-Knowing Guru of=20 Electro-Harmonix
Electro-Harmonix info:=20 http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com
Home of RonSound effects:=20 http://www.ronsound.com
fx schematics and=20 repairs


------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C42238.30ACF210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 15:55:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EJmEx21711; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:48:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:48:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040414143139.03f23b28@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:47:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Holy grails In-Reply-To: <001d01c42254$ba70ac00$6402a8c0@breakyii> References: <3c.3d9388c5.2dae6332@aol.com> <001601c42224$ec4972a0$6402a8c0@breakyii> <000f01c4223c$24d7ef90$6402a8c0@breakyii> <6.0.3.0.2.20040414122723.03f86958@spamarrest.com> <001d01c42254$ba70ac00$6402a8c0@breakyii> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:14 PM 4/14/2004, Shane Whitbread wrote: >http://guitargeek.com/chat/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22924&highlight=nanolooper >http://guitargeek.com/chat/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22534&highlight=nanolooper > >These 2 threads contain most of the information on the nanolooper. > >And I ment Nanolooper, not nanoloop. I need a new keyboard..... Well, I'll be buggered -- my apologies, I stand corrected. It's been a while since I've been able to get into Maneco's site (darn Tripod and its bandwidth limits), so I hadn't seen that one yet. And Maneco (if you're still here on the LD list): you might want to contact Oliver Wittchow -- programmer of Nanoloop -- just to make certain there aren't any lingering issues over the similarity between the names. Oliver strikes me as a pretty reasonable guy, but it'd probably be a good idea to initiate contact before he trips across it on his own. Just a thought.... >Though, I would love a gameboy synthesis cart loaded into a pedal. that >would rock my socks. Now you've started me thinking. I've got a Gameboy loaded up with Nanoloop sitting right here. While I can't wire it into one of Maneco's loopers, I've got plenty of other loopy-type stuff in the next room that I can hook it up with. Wonder what kind of damage I could come up with there. Hrmmmmmmm..... > -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 16:04:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EJwpm24358; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:58:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:58:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <407D984A.7090404@unguitar.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:00:10 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Live Looping in italy con Alice" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, Per Boysen wrote: >No. I have a lot to say! But my problem is that the second I enter the stage >and start playing I forget about everything but the music. Hmmm... Well, in >a way that's the same thing. I guess. ;-) > > I didn't want to mean "say" in sense of talking (althought I find damn useful to catch your public attention saying some words to show you're considerating them), I wanted to mean that, if you are playing, there is maybe an intention, a meaning, an emotion behind that. It's not a sport. Well, I think it shouldnt be.... luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 16:09:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EK4RG25600; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:04:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:04:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:04:13 EDT Subject: Re: art rock recommendations? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d7.8090987.2daef33d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d7.8090987.2daef33d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/14/04 3:04:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, per@boysen.se writes: > He got an amzing sound > from a piece of wood with steel strings and electric pick-ups on both sides > of the tailpiece i want one!.....michael --part1_d7.8090987.2daef33d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/14/04 3:04:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, per@boysen.se writes:<= BR>

He got an amzing sound
from a piece of wood with steel strings and electric pick-ups on both sides<= BR> of the tailpiece


i want one!.....michael --part1_d7.8090987.2daef33d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 16:14:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EK8CG26362; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:08:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:08:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "CT-Collective" , "Loopers Delight" Subject: sky ear Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:09:19 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: TWPPp8ZlreVZkXOTjBmKyL2xEykQ-cHEOUppX6R-VKJBjMILK4DCsa@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <9yN8hC.A.wbG.roZfAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check this out: http://www.haque.co.uk/skyear/information.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 16:27:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EKPEl29753; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:25:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:25:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.3eda0b61.2daef81d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:25:01 EDT Subject: Re: sky ear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12d.3eda0b61.2daef81d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12d.3eda0b61.2daef81d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/14/04 4:09:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mpeters@csi.com writes: > http://www.haque.co.uk/skyear/information.html > neat! --part1_12d.3eda0b61.2daef81d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/14/04 4:09:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mpeters@csi.com writes= :


http://www.haque.co.uk/skyear/i= nformation.html


neat! --part1_12d.3eda0b61.2daef81d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 16:34:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EKVKW31175; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:31:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:31:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:29:50 +0200 Subject: Re: "Live Looping in italy con Alice" From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <407D984A.7090404@unguitar.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-14 22.00, "Luca Formentini" wrote: > Hi Per, > > Per Boysen wrote: > >> No. I have a lot to say! But my problem is that the second I enter the stage >> and start playing I forget about everything but the music. Hmmm... Well, in >> a way that's the same thing. I guess. ;-) >> >> > I didn't want to mean "say" in sense of talking (althought I find damn > useful to catch your public attention saying some words to show you're > considerating them), I wanted to mean that, if you are playing, there is > maybe an intention, a meaning, an emotion behind that. Yes, I got the what you meant. But what I was trying to say is that it can be difficult to "take command" over what the music wants to tell the listener. Especially when playing improvised music that doesn't have a particular form before it is manifesting itself. You might think when you enter the stage that "today I'm going to play forcefully", but then some notes happen that completely changes the scenario and you have to play softly. What you're "saying" by performing music live is hard to control, no matter how much you speak between the pieces and dress up ;-) I think the coolest thing that can happen is when you play "as a listener", not forcing the music by your will into any direction. It's fascinating how the music seems to go by its own will. You just listen and try to follow. I don't know if this is "to say something" or to "have nothing to say". Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 16:39:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EKWJw31370; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:32:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:32:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:31:13 +0200 Subject: Re: art rock recommendations? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-14 22.04, "Nemoguitt@aol.com" wrote: > In a message dated 4/14/04 3:04:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, per@boysen.se > writes: > > >> He got an amzing sound >> from a piece of wood with steel strings and electric pick-ups on both sides >> of the tailpiece > > i want one!.....michael Go ahead build yourself one! Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 16:42:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EKdnf00307; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:39:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:39:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <407DA1E3.1090908@unguitar.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:41:07 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: art rock recommendations? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes Michael, you would love it. Talking about Hans Reichel: the cd titled "the death of the rare bird Ymir" He's a wonderful people playing great music. I'm just sad he's concentrating on the daxophone lately. his complete bio: http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/public_html/efi/mreichel.html luca www.unguitar.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/14/04 3:04:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > per@boysen.se writes: > > >> He got an amzing sound >> from a piece of wood with steel strings and electric pick-ups on both >> sides >> of the tailpiece > > > > i want one!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 16:50:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EKj3F01511; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:45:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:45:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:44:56 -0700 Subject: Re: art rock recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <407DA1E3.1090908@unguitar.com> Message-Id: <96A2F5E4-8E54-11D8-A279-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw Frith and Reichel doing a duo of guitars, daxophones, etc, in the 80's, and it's one of those magical shows that completely rewired the way I listen to music. On Wednesday, April 14, 2004, at 01:41 PM, Luca Formentini wrote: > Yes Michael, > you would love it. > Talking about Hans Reichel: the cd titled "the death of the rare bird > Ymir" > He's a wonderful people playing great music. > I'm just sad he's concentrating on the daxophone lately. > his complete bio: > http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/public_html/efi/mreichel.html > luca > www.unguitar.com > > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/14/04 3:04:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> per@boysen.se writes: >> >> >>> He got an amzing sound >>> from a piece of wood with steel strings and electric pick-ups on >>> both sides >>> of the tailpiece >> >> >> >> i want one!.....michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 16:52:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EKn0802353; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:49:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:49:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <407DA407.10504@unguitar.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:50:15 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Live Looping in italy con Alice" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <04kjcD.A.ok.7OafAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per wrote: >What you're "saying" by performing music live is hard to control, no >matter how much you speak between the pieces and dress up ;-) > (when it's really ) Improvisation you dive into yourself, good or bad, and you just have to decide if flying or if keeping your foot on the brake. > I think the >coolest thing that can happen is when you play "as a listener", not forcing >the music by your will into any direction. It's fascinating how the music >seems to go by its own will. You just listen and try to follow. > I agree Per ! >I don't know if this is "to say something" or to "have nothing to say". > For sure it isn't sport, nor gymnastic, nor .... come on, you understand what I mean ! ciao, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 17:16:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EL5s305113; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:05:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:05:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040414210552.73623.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: "Live Looping in italy con Alice" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Per Boysen wrote: > dress up ;-) I think the > coolest thing that can happen is when you play "as a > listener", not forcing I've found this to be essential when improvising with other people. By the same token, I find it harder to improvise when I'm by myself as I have no other party with whom I can "converse". Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 18:21:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EMHAC16819; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:17:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:17:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <407DB801.9010906@free.fr> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:15:29 +0200 From: Luca Bonvini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Strange Insruments.....(was Art Rock...) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3EMH9o16785 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looping (RC20 and Boomerang for now) on my chinese seven string zithers: GuQin, if anybody knows what I'm talking about or is interested in the matter. That's more Art Soul.... Luca Andreas Willers a écrit: > Yes, Fed's guitar plate is cool. Check out (german improviser) Hans > Reichel's stuff in that vein: he moved the concept of the guitar with two > scales on another level by bulding an electric like that. Sounds quite > unearthly when you pluck on one side of the bridge and use the pickup on the > other side (recording: "Erdmännchen"/FMP). His other invention is an > instrument called the "Dachsophon" that sounds quite archaic, I forgot what > it's principle was... > > Regards, Andreas Willers > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 18:44:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3EMaKN19768; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:36:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:36:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c42270$e7a52d60$4e8ae404@sipapu> Reply-To: "James Lanpheer" From: "James Lanpheer" To: References: Subject: Re: Branding: Live Looping Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:36:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-ELNK-Trace: b1baf93441b2c77671639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940f0d2bfa4a7f4300f2b3c0200143546af350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of "live loopers", i saw Summit on Saturday night in Boulder and it struck me the other night that Ustad Zakir Hussein could be considered a "live looper"...without the gear. That man is freakin' amazin! Sometimes i wonder if my interest in looping might be partially to compensate for my inadequacies (comparatively, at least) and inabilities to play live at the level that i imagine inside my head/heart. cheers, jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: Branding: Live Looping > To Rick and the rest of the "Live Looping" crowd: > > I've been assuming that "Live Looping" was an effort to establish a brand > for some set of music. I think branding is useful because it gives an > audience points of reference. If they like some music associated with the > brand, they can have a reasonable expectation to like other music associated > with the brand. But what is the brand promise of "Live Looping"? Once that's > resolved, then it's a separate issue to decide whether or not "Live Looping" > is the best label for that brand promise. > > Frippertronics is an example of an overly successful brand. Robert Fripp > would probably have defined it as what you get when you plug Robert Fripp > into a looping system. The overly successful part came from people trying to > apply the term to music not involving Robert Fripp. That being said, it > remained descriptive for music sharing the general stylistic elements that > Fripp established. If someone describes something as being Frippertronics, I > have a general notion of what it is going to sound like. > > A number of record labels have successfully defined brands over the years. > It's reasonably clear what is meant by the ECM sound though ECM's roster is > pretty diverse. Windham Hill had a fairly distinctive sound before William > Ackerman sold out. 4AD has or had a fair degree of consistency as well. > > On the other hand, I think Windham Hill first tried to position their music > as "New Acoustic Music" and though descriptive the term never caught on, so > not all efforts at broad branding are successful. > > Returning to the "Live Looping" brand, I pose the following questions: > > Is anyone who uses a looping device live doing something that would fit > under the term "Live Looping"? > > If yes, then how much value does the term have -- outside perhaps of Santa > Cruz -- for audiences? If yes, does this mean that the only real audience > for a live looping event is more or less other people using looopers since > all that you can predict is use of looping devices (and technical > difficulties)? > > If no, then we hit on the issue that seems to bother a number of people here > which is that they feel they are using a looper live but aren't part of the > "live looping" movement. What is it that distinguishes "live looping" from > music involving the use of looping devices in a live context? Is it > something that an audience can recognize? > > Can you do live looping in the studio or is the live experience an essential > part and recording CDs is pointless? > > Fundamentally, what is it that the "Live Looping" brand represents? Is it > something that is useful to audiences and if so how? If I didn't loop > myself, what is it that would make me want to go to a Live Looping event or > buy music identified as Live Looping? If it isn't useful to audiences why > use it as a brand? > > Mark > > P.S. This is written as someone who suspects that what he is doing is "Live > Looping". > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 19:25:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ENKir30488; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:20:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:20:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a701c42277$1cc14fa0$4e8ae404@sipapu> Reply-To: "James Lanpheer" From: "James Lanpheer" To: References: <013e01c421b1$c8b26900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: art rock recommendations? Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:20:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-ELNK-Trace: b1baf93441b2c77671639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da94045e3b38447ea27c642aa810c2660556e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My favorite Chris Cutler CD is one that he did with Thomas Dimuzio called "Quake". Excellent, as a percussionist YOU Rick, will really dig it. And, unadvertised, unsolicited gig spam in the Denver/Boulder area..... Cutler and DiMuzio will be playing this weekend at Cervantes Masterpiece Ballroom. Their appearance and the Cuong Vu Trio (live jazz looping enclosed) make for quite a weekend of live music in the Denver/Boulder area. cheers, jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: art rock recommendations? > Somehow I completely missed out on the whole > Henry Cow/Art Bears phenomenon. I think I was really sick of > prog rock at the time that they started making records so I foolishly > dismissed them > without ever even hearing them. Ahhhhh, the follies of youth. > > Anyway, a good friend of mine from this list, the looping > trumpeteer/singer/multi-instrumentalist, George Demarest > highly recommended that I check out Chris Cutler, the innovative drummer > with some of those groups (who he just saw > perform in Boston) and I realized that I knew nothing about the whole scene > and wondered if anyone here would > give me a desert Island disc list of 3-5 CDs that they think are the best of > this group of people. > > Any Henry Cow/Art Bears fans out there who want to initiate a newbie? > > eagerly anticipating a reply, Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 19:30:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ENSQA32062; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:28:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:28:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:28:17 EDT Subject: Re: art rock recommendations? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf.a1e72b8.2daf2311_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_cf.a1e72b8.2daf2311_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/14/04 4:42:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, luca@unguitar.com writes: > http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/public_html/efi/mreichel.html per.....these beauties are way beyond me.....thanks luca.....i was thinkin yesterday, actually, of having somekind of a movable bridge to put into my lap steel as i was wankin away on it.....why do i radically try to change an instrument that i can not even play?.....it's gettin pretty weird.....it's as if "sounds" are getting more important than "notes".....what fun!.....michael --part1_cf.a1e72b8.2daf2311_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/14/04 4:42:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, luca@unguitar.com writ= es:


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per.....these beauties are way beyond me.....thanks luca.....i was thinkin y= esterday, actually, of having somekind of a movable bridge to put into my la= p steel as i was wankin away on it.....why do i radically try to change an i= nstrument that i can not even play?.....it's gettin pretty weird.....it's as= if "sounds" are getting more important than "notes".....what fun!.....micha= el --part1_cf.a1e72b8.2daf2311_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 14 21:53:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3F1j2N31302; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:45:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:45:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <1d0.1e8df010.2daf4315@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:44:53 EDT Subject: Art Rock recommendations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1081993493" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5015 Resent-Message-ID: <6VmHbC.A._oH.ekefAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1081993493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The '70s Italian group Area "Caution Radiation Area", "Arbiet Mach Frei", "Crac" and Area(A)zione" are all great cds!! Cheers, James -------------------------------1081993493 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    The  '70s Italian group Area "Caution Radiation= Area", "Arbiet Mach Frei", "Crac" and Area(A)zione" are all great cds!!
 
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-------------------------------1081993493-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 15 01:03:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3F51FX28732; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:01:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:01:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:54:21 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance and Party 4.17.04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3F51Eo28710 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, My friends Dean and Ramona are having a party this Saturday, as described below. There will be several musical performances and I will be doing video. Please RSVP to "Dean Stiglitz" or call one of the phone numbers below for directions. The Analog Heaven email list (a very long running list for analog synthesizer enthusiasts) is having a get together during the day of April 17th near our home in Leominster. It seemed like a good excuse to have a party (since my birthday is the 12th)…and what’s a party without music? Dean “deknow” Stiglitz and Laurie Ramona Herboldsheimer present Analog Heaven/Birthday/Party/Concert April 17th from 6pm until????? We will provide yummy food (vegetarian and carnivore). If people can bring drinks (alcoholic and non), we have plenty of cups and such, that would be a help. For the music, it might be best if people bring a pillow or cushon to sit on (we have a few things as well). This isn’t an extrodinary concert hall, it’s our home (the first floor of a 3 family, Ramona owns the house), but we do have good sound :) Bowed Metal Music (http://www.innovarecordings.com/artist1.asp?skuID=64) Chris Mckenna (www.mckennaflutes.com) Anthony Antfactor (http://www.antfactor.com/) The Lothars (and friends) (www.wobblymusic.com/lothars) Doctor T (www.foryourhead.com) will be doing live video improvisation. Please let us know if you are coming, and if you eat meat or not, so we can be at least a little prepared. We live in Leominster, MA (Route 2, near Fitchburg), and our phone is 978 537 5787. Ramona's cell phone is 978 407 3934. -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 15 09:15:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3FDCB802018; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:12:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:12:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c422ea$e61f0220$9400533e@ukowanadoo> From: "DIEGO" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" Subject: ARE SOMEONE IN SPAIN ? Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:09:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C422FB.A8381580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 if-filter0: N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C422FB.A8381580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ARE SOMEONE IN SPAIN WHO MADE LOOP MUSIC BASED, I AM IN MADRID AND I = LOOKING FOR MORE PEOPLE HERE TO MADE PERFORMANCE OR ORGANISE SOME CONCRT = OR GIGS WELL THANKS , AND I WAIT FOR CONTACTS.- ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C422FB.A8381580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ARE SOMEONE IN SPAIN WHO MADE LOOP = MUSIC BASED, I=20 AM IN MADRID AND I LOOKING FOR MORE PEOPLE HERE TO MADE PERFORMANCE OR = ORGANISE=20 SOME CONCRT OR GIGS
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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C422FB.A8381580-- ---Publicidad-------------------------------------------------------- Juega con Ventura24.es, lotería inteligente y multiplica tus posibilidades!! http://www.iespana.es/_reloc/email.ventura From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 15 11:07:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3FF4ch20835; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:04:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:04:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040415150431.21419.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:04:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: IS SOMEONE IN SPAIN ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002301c422ea$e61f0220$9400533e@ukowanadoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hola Diego, Mucho gusto! mira pues you estoy viviendo aqui en alemania y me acabo de presentar en Italia y presisamente le pregunté hace unos dias a mi hermano quien esta estudiando temporalmente en Madrid si fuera posible presentarme por allá.Pero el tiene poco tiempo en madrid y no tiene muchos contactos asi que si te gustas me puedes mandar informacion en cuanto a posibilidades de presentacione etc. vale? Cuidate y estamos en contacto! Luis (aka louie;-) --- DIEGO wrote: > ARE SOMEONE IN SPAIN WHO MADE LOOP MUSIC BASED, I AM > IN MADRID AND I LOOKING FOR MORE PEOPLE HERE TO MADE > PERFORMANCE OR ORGANISE SOME CONCRT OR GIGS > WELL THANKS , AND I WAIT FOR CONTACTS.- > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 15 14:01:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3FHtrv16007; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:55:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:55:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <407ECC72.8080205@bagend.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:54:58 -0500 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Del , "Bruce L. Waters" , Glenn Lowe , Jeff Johnston , Martha Johnston , Kevin Patterson , Kim Michalek , norbertfunk@comcast.net, Janet Kolze , sandy@bagend.com, HotHouse , Russ Hooper , danamarie73@yahoo.com, davehiltebrand@hotmail.com, Tom Ray , Carlos Concepcion , tuffymk@earthlink.net, Mickfreon@aol.com, jbalch@rci.ripco.com, ropesack@hotmail.com, slide@ripco.com, chrisa@circuitservice.com, cgille@willowcreek.org, Chris Capcik , leigh@bucktownpictures.com, Nicole Griffith , Pat Gleason , Kris Burke , Tammy Fitzgerald , captapact@hotmail.com, Roger Hunter , Paul Enzinger , robonek@earthlink.net, lmaeallen@sbcglobal.net, johnyancey@worldnet.att.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Friday Night Gig spam, Barrington, Illinois USA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all I am pleased to announce that Seven League Boots will play Friday night 16 April 2004 at the lounge of the Onion Pub in Barrington. We'll start at 9:30. There is no cover charge, and it's OK if you are under 21 years old! http://www.sevenleagueboots.com/shows.html LISTEN TO 7 LEAGUE BOOTS HERE: http://www.sevenleagueboots.com/listen.html We'll also be joined by our friend C-squared, SF Bay area artist who will add sample colors to our set, and do a DJ set of his own. Seven League Boots is a band that plays electronica / drum'n'bass / live looping. We play songs and we improvise. Ed Shannon - guitar, animal sounds, drum machine Pete Machine - guitar and knob turning Jose Sandoval - keyboard Brian Abraham - hits things with sticks Henry Heine - low sounds and live loops Please forward this to everyone you know who loves good music! All the previous 7LB sets at the Onion have been great. We are totally psyched for another great night of who knows what. Kudos to the Onion for hiring some bands that don't cover Jimmy Buffet (no dis to Jimmy b, but puhleeez) We will record the evenings sounds, and maybe post some to our site. Thanks and see you there. Henry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 15 21:37:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3G1WbX13987; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:32:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:32:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c42353$08126ee0$b1e8a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Cc: References: <407ECC72.8080205@bagend.com> Subject: 7 League Boots Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:34:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.163.232.177] at Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:32:23 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow - is this the same band as was booting around Boston in 1991? > Hi all > > I am pleased to announce that Seven League Boots will play Friday night > 16 April 2004 at the lounge of the Onion Pub in Barrington. We'll start > at 9:30. > > There is no cover charge, and it's OK if you are under 21 years old! > > http://www.sevenleagueboots.com/shows.html > > LISTEN TO 7 LEAGUE BOOTS HERE: > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 15 23:04:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3G2xg225695; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:59:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:59:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c42370$1051c480$6700a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: Requesting LoopIV --> Soundart Chameleon update Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:02:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any update on the LoopIV port to the Soundart Chameleon hardware? Kim? Matthias? Anybody? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 16 04:07:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3G81od26481; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 04:01:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 04:01:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Luther Zevenbergen Reply-To: luther@freeler.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New member. Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:02:13 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <004d01c42370$1051c480$6700a8c0@amd> In-Reply-To: <004d01c42370$1051c480$6700a8c0@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404161002.14095.demiurg@wanadoo.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm Luther Zevenbergen and just subscribed to this mailinglist. i will lurk a bit to see if there will be things discussed, that will be interesting and useful for me. And maybe participate in discussions. Let me tell a bit about my interest in looping. On the practical site, I just started a project, which I called "Dipak", in which i play sitar live, with effects on the sitar, combined with electronic music. i use styles like techno, electro, ambient and ofcourse Indian classical music. Well, it sounds better than it is right now, because i did only two gigs, and am still searching for everything fall into place. I'm using delay to try to get two sitar's 'sounding together', but i want to expand these idea with looping-techniques. My musical interest is very unlimited, but mainly Indian music, folkmusic minimal music and electronic music. Well, i will see what this mailinglist will bring me. gr. Luther From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 16 09:42:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3GDZCh30685; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:35:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:35:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Luther Zevenbergen Reply-To: luther@freeler.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New member. Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:35:41 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200404161535.42025.demiurg@wanadoo.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Op vrijdag 16 april 2004 10:53, schreef Per Boysen: > On 04-04-16 10.02, "Luther Zevenbergen" wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm Luther Zevenbergen and just subscribed to this mailinglist. i will > > lurk a bit to see if there will be things discussed, that will be > > interesting and useful for me. And maybe participate in discussions. > > > > Let me tell a bit about my interest in looping. > > On the practical site, I just started a project, which I called "Dipak", > > in which i play sitar live, with effects on the sitar, combined with > > electronic music. i use styles like techno, electro, ambient and ofcourse > > Indian classical music. Well, it sounds better than it is right now, > > because i did only two gigs, and am still searching for everything fall > > into place. I'm using delay to try to get two sitar's 'sounding > > together', but i want to expand these idea with looping-techniques. > > My musical interest is very unlimited, but mainly Indian music, folkmusic > > minimal music and electronic music. > > > > Well, i will see what this mailinglist will bring me. > > > > gr. > > Luther > > Welcome to the list! Sitar is such a cool instrument. I've played some gigs > with a sitar player and then I learned that it can be difficult to amplify > a sitar, since it is not as loud as most acoustic instruments. What's your > way of dealing with this? (getting a good sitar signal for processing) It is hard. i did once a few gigs with a stonerrock-band and i used a small pickup, but it was horrible. Now I have bought a pretty good pick-up and I connect it with my mixer, where also the electronic part is mixed, and than to the PA-system. I did it a few times, and it worked perfect. Although I must add that the places i played where small. About a couple of weeks I play in a bigger venue, so I will see if it works out than. gr. Luther From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 16 10:23:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3GELmV05490; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:21:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:21:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Luther Zevenbergen Reply-To: luther@freeler.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New member. Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:22:17 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <000001c423b8$b57d7830$6801a8c0@khartung> In-Reply-To: <000001c423b8$b57d7830$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200404161622.18038.demiurg@wanadoo.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Op vrijdag 16 april 2004 15:42, schreef Krispen Hartung: > Hi Luther - > > This is very cool and hip. I play the sitar as well, here in Boise, > Idaho (USA). I am primarily a guitarist, but I pick up my sitar once in > a while at a gig and also use my Boomerang looper. I typically start a > drone on the guitar, add some ethereal overlay, then I sit down and > improvise with the sitar. I also play the tablas and loop those with my > guitar once in a while. Sounds interesting. >Basically, I run the sitar, guitar, and tablas > through my mixer, then I run my boomerang through one of the effect > loops, running the output of the Boomerang to one of the channels, thus > putting the entire mix through the loop. It works very well. In the > studio, I also use an Indian program called SwarShala. It allows you to > create sequences from real tanpura, tabla, etc samples > http://www.swarsystems.com/SwarShala/Home.htm I know swarsystems, it's a nice program. i only use the samples, with my sampler i can make talas myself. It sounds very good. > I've always thought it would be fun to play the sitar over some hip-hop > rhythms and the tanpura droning in the background. The problem for me > is that I have back and leg problems, and I can't play the sitar for > very long without getting nerve pains in my hip. I even tried making a > stand where I can play the sitar standing up, but it is still awkard. I know the problem, I practice mosly siting on a bench, because if I play too much sitting down, I get problems too. My teacher can mold his legs in every position, but he started playing when he was three years old. > By the way, where did you get your sitar? I bought mine from Buckingham > Music. http://www.buckinghammusic.com/ In a shop just around the corner in my hometown :-)) i live in the Hague, there are many Indian shops, because it's the Dutch city with the largest hindu-community. > I attached an MP3 that would be cool to use as a background for some > sitar improvisation. I never got around to using it on my new CD. Wow, it sounds awesome. That tampura-sound is great. > Cheers, > > Kris > > P.s. I saw Second Vision in Amsterdam last year at the Bim Huis, and the > guitarist was using some sitar-like sound on his guitar. That could be > what I end up doing to get past my back problems. I saw a photo on your site, it's taken in Amsterdam, right? gr. Luther From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 16 11:34:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3GFTYk18840; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:29:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:29:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <407FFBDD.9060808@bagend.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:29:33 -0500 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 7 League Boots References: <407ECC72.8080205@bagend.com> <000601c42353$08126ee0$b1e8a344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, no relation. I guess we'll be hearing from their lawyer soon. Henry David Kirkdorffer wrote: > wow - is this the same band as was booting around Boston in 1991? > > > >>Hi all >> >>I am pleased to announce that Seven League Boots will play Friday night >>16 April 2004 at the lounge of the Onion Pub in Barrington. We'll start >>at 9:30. >> >>There is no cover charge, and it's OK if you are under 21 years old! >> >>http://www.sevenleagueboots.com/shows.html >> >>LISTEN TO 7 LEAGUE BOOTS HERE: >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 16 16:19:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3GKBGc30530; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:11:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:11:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40803D67.5090700@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:09:11 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #369 for April 15, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040415.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #369 April 15, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Alpha Wave Movement. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Concept of Motion" on Groove Records. The Vinyl Starter was preempted in order to make more room for the AirSculpture interview and live, in-studio concert. AirSculpture will play at the Gatherings Concert Series on April 17. For details, see the EMUSIC Events page. Alpha Wave Movement - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#apr EMUSIC Events page - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm AirSculpture Interview AirSculpture in-studio concert 12:00 am Alpha Wave Movement Linear Prospectives Concept of Motion (Groove) Alpha Wave Movement Ritual Circle Concept of Motion (Groove) Alpha Wave Movement Sanctuary Concept of Motion (Groove) Alpha Wave Movement Across the Axis Concept of Motion (Groove) Alpha Wave Movement Motion Generator Concept of Motion (Groove) Alpha Wave Movement Gaia's Heartbeat Concept of Motion (Groove) Alpha Wave Movement Ocean of Dreams Concept of Motion (Groove) Alpha Wave Movement Frontier of Silence Concept of Motion (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Alpha Wave Movement. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Transcendence" on Harmonic Resonance Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "CON3" by Conrad Schnitzler on Sky Records. I will play the music of Radio Massacre International, a trio from the UK, who will be performing at the Gatherings in May. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 16 20:56:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3H0nQC05005; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:49:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:49:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:21:44 -0400 Subject: gig spasm: bring tha noise From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3164991705_3731436" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3164991705_3731436 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable a special IMPROVISED MUSIC EVENT ZEITGEIST GALLERY Saturday, April 17 9:30 pm=ADmidnight CHRIS CUTLER w/ Steve MacLean & Dan Soltzberg =20 Chris Cutler electronics, percussion (Art Bears, Henry Cow, Pere Ubu) Steve MacLean guitar & electronics (Dr. Nerve, Roswell Rudd, Node) Dan Soltzberg bass & electronics (ghost 7, Orange, Node) opening: Andrew Neumann laptop, switches, sensors ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St., Inman Square, Cambridge MA 617.876.6060 zeitgeist-gallery.org ~ ALL AGES ~ donation $10 or b/o ------ End of Forwarded Message ------ End of Forwarded Message --B_3164991705_3731436 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable gig spasm: bring tha noise a special IMPROVISED MUSIC EVENT

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1353 Cambridge St., Inman Square, Cambridge = MA 617.876.6060     
zeitgeist-gallery.org  ~  ALL AGES  ~  d= onation $10 or b/o

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 --B_3164991705_3731436-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 16 20:57:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3H0nQq05035; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:49:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:49:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:27:01 -0400 Subject: Re: "Live Looping" From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002801c420d9$5a454e20$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3164992022_3773045" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3164992022_3773045 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable That=B9s my point exactly. on 4/12/04 5:58 PM, David Kirkdorffer at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote: > Dan -=20 > =20 > I remember the review. And I remember the show. > =20 > I've experienced the same (non)reaction to the process used to create the > music. But, that's fine too. I mean, I'd rather be reviewed for the mus= ic, > than the process. After all if the PROCESS is more interesting than the = MUSIC > it seems the music isn't valid of it's own accord - and to my ears it's a= bout > the music. =20 > =20 > David > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Dan Soltzberg >> To: Loopers Delight >> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 5:19 AM >> Subject: Re: "Live Looping" >>=20 >> And yet (to reply to my own post, which seems like a form of looping, do= esn=92t >> it!), when I came back to the US from Japan in 2001 and saw =93Bass Loopin= g >> Festival=94 on the marquee of the Capitol Theater in Santa Cruz, that >> definitely had a meaning to me. Too bad I was a week too late to catch t= he >> fun, but point is, it does mean something to a number of people=97myself >> included--to use =93looping=94 as a descriptive term. But maybe for the peop= le >> who aren=92t practicioners, they don=92t care so much how we do it=97 they car= e how >> it sounds and how it makes them feel. >>=20 >> Like fer instance, there was a review in a local rock rag about a live C= D I >> made at a gig with Orange (Dave K, you were actually at that show=97 you p= layed >> a set too). It=92s a pretty wild set of songs, considering the only instru= ment >> besides drums and vox was a 4-string bass, but the reviewer didn=92t menti= on >> how it was done, even though I made that very clear on the CD, (because = it=92s >> something I=92m kind of proud of). Nope, he just talked about how it was >> dreamy, gothic, ambient, or whatever, and complained that it wasn=92t Kiss= or >> AC/DC. >>=20 >>=20 >> d --B_3164992022_3773045 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: "Live Looping" That’s my point exactly.

on 4/12/04 5:58 PM, David Kirkdorffer at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote:

Dan -

I remember the review.  And I= remember the show.
I've experienced the same (non)rea= ction to the process used to create the music.  But, that's fine too. &= nbsp;I mean, I'd rather be reviewed for the music, than the process.  A= fter all if the PROCESS is more interesting than the MUSIC it seems the musi= c isn't valid of it's own accord - and to my ears it's about the music. &nbs= p;
David
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Soltzberg <mail= to:d.ans@rcn.com>  
To: Loopers Delight <mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&g= t;  
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: "Live Looping"

And yet (to reply to my own post, which seems like a form of looping, doesn= ?t it!), when I came back to the US from Japan in 2001 and saw ?Bass Looping= Festival? on the marquee of the Capitol Theater in Santa Cruz, that definit= ely had a meaning to me. Too bad I was a week too late to catch the fun, but= point is, it does mean something to a number of people?myself included--to = use ?looping? as a descriptive term. But maybe for the people who aren?t pra= cticioners, they don?t care so much how we do it? they care how it sounds an= d how it makes them feel.

Like fer instance, there was a review in a local rock rag about a live CD I= made at a gig with Orange (Dave K, you were actually at that show? you play= ed a set too). It?s a pretty wild set of songs, considering the only instrum= ent besides drums and vox was a 4-string bass, but the reviewer didn?t menti= on how it was done, even though I made that very clear on the CD, (because i= t?s something I?m kind of proud of). Nope, he just talked about how it was d= reamy, gothic, ambient, or whatever, and complained that it wasn?t Kiss or A= C/DC.


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 --B_3164992022_3773045-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 16 22:14:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3H2C0n17498; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:12:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:12:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004d01c42370$1051c480$6700a8c0@amd> References: <004d01c42370$1051c480$6700a8c0@amd> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:10:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Requesting LoopIV --> Soundart Chameleon update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Any update on the LoopIV port to the Soundart Chameleon hardware? > >Kim? Matthias? Anybody? oh, no why did I say that... so much unknown yet... and I informed wrong: the Chamy has 48 sec stereo memory, and with tricks it seems to be possible to squeze out some more. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 16 23:35:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3H3Mi327029; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:22:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:22:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <112.314140ec.2db1fcf4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:22:28 EDT Subject: yo yo yo eh? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_112.314140ec.2db1fcf4_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_112.314140ec.2db1fcf4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just got in from work.....thinkin about LOOPSTOCK 04.....DUDE!.....be there or be square.....i want to make the noise!.....michael P.S. loopxhange = www.ct-collective.com please hang with us, we are getting it together! we talk the talk, now here is the music! wheeeeeee! join us.....PLEASE! --part1_112.314140ec.2db1fcf4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just go= t in from work.....thinkin about LOOPSTOCK 04.....DUDE!.....be there or be s= quare.....i want to make the noise!.....michael
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join us.....PLEASE! --part1_112.314140ec.2db1fcf4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 17 00:03:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3H3vIq31900; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:57:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:57:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:57:11 -0700 Message-ID: <4072436E00006B09@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Daxophones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3H3vIo31871 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com following up on the daxophone discussion, I've uploaded the track I mentioned. It's by a man named Hans Reichel and is an excerpt from a piece called Le Bal. The CD I pulled it from is called "Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones - Experimental Musical Instruments" from Ellipsis Arts... Lots of good stuff on this CD... Great sounding stuff.. :) http://www.musetrap.com/daxophone enjoy.. :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 17 01:20:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3H5IpI10599; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 01:18:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 01:18:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Luther Zevenbergen Reply-To: luther@freeler.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New member. Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 07:19:22 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <000501c423d3$8750af20$6801a8c0@khartung> In-Reply-To: <000501c423d3$8750af20$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200404170719.22681.demiurg@wanadoo.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Op vrijdag 16 april 2004 18:54, schreef Krispen Hartung: > What pickup did you buy? I found that this one is excellent! > http://www.buckinghammusic.com/accs/accssitar.html#trans I use AKG C411, http://www.akg.com/products/powerslave,mynodeid,186,id,272,pid,272,_language,EN.html it sounds good. > -----Original Message----- > From: Luther Zevenbergen [mailto:demiurg@wanadoo.nl] > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 7:36 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New member. > > Op vrijdag 16 april 2004 10:53, schreef Per Boysen: > > On 04-04-16 10.02, "Luther Zevenbergen" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm Luther Zevenbergen and just subscribed to this mailinglist. i > > > will lurk a bit to see if there will be things discussed, that will > > > be interesting and useful for me. And maybe participate in > > > discussions. > > > > > > Let me tell a bit about my interest in looping. > > > On the practical site, I just started a project, which I called > > > "Dipak", in which i play sitar live, with effects on the sitar, > > > combined with electronic music. i use styles like techno, electro, > > > ambient and ofcourse Indian classical music. Well, it sounds better > > > than it is right now, because i did only two gigs, and am still > > > searching for everything fall into place. I'm using delay to try to > > > get two sitar's 'sounding together', but i want to expand these idea > > > > > > with looping-techniques. My musical interest is very unlimited, but > > > mainly Indian music, folkmusic minimal music and electronic music. > > > > > > Well, i will see what this mailinglist will bring me. > > > > > > gr. > > > Luther > > > > Welcome to the list! Sitar is such a cool instrument. I've played some > > > > gigs with a sitar player and then I learned that it can be difficult > > to amplify a sitar, since it is not as loud as most acoustic > > instruments. What's your way of dealing with this? (getting a good > > sitar signal for processing) > > It is hard. i did once a few gigs with a stonerrock-band and i used a > small > pickup, but it was horrible. > > Now I have bought a pretty good pick-up and I connect it with my mixer, > where > also the electronic part is mixed, and than to the PA-system. > I did it a few times, and it worked perfect. > Although I must add that the places i played where small. About a couple > of > weeks I play in a bigger venue, so I will see if it works out than. > > gr. > Luther From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 17 01:23:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3H5MRr11133; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 01:22:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 01:22:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Luther Zevenbergen Reply-To: luther@freeler.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New member. Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 07:22:59 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20040416151543.VVLE15895.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@MusicComputer> In-Reply-To: <20040416151543.VVLE15895.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@MusicComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200404170722.59468.demiurg@wanadoo.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Op vrijdag 16 april 2004 17:15, schreef Tom Rex: > The synchronicity on this list is sometimes amazing! > > I decided on the spur of the moment to set up a software folder in my > Outlook to keep track of registrations, etc. so I did a search for Swar in > my e-mail and started to move them, when, in comes this e-mail to my search > list! > > So welcome to the list, Luther. It will be interesting to follow your > looping experience with sitar it's nice to see there are people here doing a same type of things with sitar, I just started so I might post from to time to time how it works out. > Kris, I got into electronic music last year because of back and leg > problems. I used to play drums and percussion live, but it got to be too > much. One of the 1st software packages I got was Swar Systems (librarian, > shala, and sampler). I wanted to mostly improvise around the raga scales > at different times throughout the day (and night) using mostly sitar. I > used it for sound mediations and therapy after I got out of a two week stay > in the hospital (due to said back and leg problems. It worked, thank God! > The hospital loop is one loop I don't want to get into!). Mariano from > Swar in Switzerland has been very helpful. > > Om, Shanti, Shanti, Shanti! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 17 03:19:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3H7IJi26012; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 03:18:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 03:18:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: EDP Input knob possessed Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 03:18:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQkIavqvWwGmltdRgunCUwxOrThbwAKU7jw X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [4.12.148.13] at Sat, 17 Apr 2004 02:18:17 -0500 Message-Id: <20040417071817.MCLJ5247.out014.verizon.net@home> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, sometimes my input knob is ok, sometimes it is possessed. I have an older one from about '96, and I have been having some trouble with the input gain. It is always right around 1/4 up, which is usually fine (used on the aux send of a Mackie 1202vlz set straight at unity gain). Problem is, more often than not, the difference between the input LED being off to being in the red is like the width of a human hair. I have had no troubles for the last 7 or 8 years, and all of a sudden this is happening. It takes forever to set the gain now, after I have left it in the same spot for years. Either it distorts or is inaudible. Sometimes I can compensate by turning it lower and cranking the aux return, but that is a little noisy. I read the archives about the input gain problem, but this doesn't seem to be it. It worked fine, now it is being erratic. Could something have gone horribly wrong? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 17 06:13:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3HABrX18532; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 06:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 06:11:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: <004d01c42370$1051c480$6700a8c0@amd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9D536DB8-9057-11D8-A7A7-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Requesting LoopIV --> Soundart Chameleon update Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 05:11:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Apr 16, 2004, at 9:10 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > oh, no why did I say that... so much unknown yet... to keep me from buying a second PCM-80, of course. haha. > and I informed wrong: the Chamy has 48 sec stereo memory, and with > tricks it seems to be possible to squeze out some more. WAAAAA!!!!!! WHOOOO HOOO!!!!! I GET TO USE MY PCM-80 FOR A REVERB!!!!!! --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 17 06:45:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3HAivZ23641; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 06:44:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 06:44:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:44:51 +0200 Subject: Re: Daxophones From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4072436E00006B09@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-17 05.57, "Chris Roberts" wrote: > following up on the daxophone discussion, I've uploaded the track I mentioned. > It's by a man named Hans Reichel and is an excerpt from a piece called Le > Bal. The CD I pulled it from is called "Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones > - Experimental Musical Instruments" from Ellipsis Arts... Lots of good stuff > on this CD... Great sounding stuff.. :) > > http://www.musetrap.com/daxophone Amazing stuff!!!! I really like this. Thanks for the tip. Will be watching out for that cd. It sounds like Repeater-pitched vocals/reeds/brass but with much better control than can achieve with the repeater. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 17 10:35:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3HEX8816366; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:33:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:33:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40813F89.2080306@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:30:33 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for April 17, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2004/040417.html The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #43 April 17, 2004. In Phase I of this show, I played the music of AirSculpture who will be at the Gatherings Concert Series in Philadelphia tonight. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== AirSculpture Live on EMUSIC 15-Apr-04 CDR (none) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Rogier Closer To the Truth From the Shadows To the Sun Part 1 (Quantum) Rogier Closer To the Truth From the Shadows To the Sun Part 2 (Quantum) VA [Paul Winter] Canyon Chaconne Echoes Living Room Concerts Volume 4 (Echoedisc) Calvin L. Coolidge II Second Wave Seconds (none) Scott Cossu Snowy Mountain Creek Emerald Pathway (Alula Visions) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Kevin Gilbert Parade The Shaming of the True Kevin Gilbert The City of the Sun The Shaming of the True Kevin Gilbert Suite Fugue The Shaming of the True NDV The Water's Edge Live & Acoustic (NDVMusic) Seventh Key The Sun Will Rise The Raging Fire (InsideOut) Gordian Knot Singing Deep Mountain Emergent (Sensory) TOC Wait Los Angeles (InsideOut) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on May 1 when I will play the music of Radio Massacre International. This UK trio will be at the Gatherings Concert Series on May 8. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to http://192.104.181.184:8080/ramgen/encoder/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 17 18:17:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3HMDVp16141; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:13:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:13:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c424ca$1f93f340$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents PiNG AMBiENCE 2 - Live Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:20:00 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday April 20th - PiNG AMBiENCE 2 - Live with General Chaos Visuals Celebrating the release of the second compilation of music by Ambient Ping performers, this night will present a banquet of live ambient and chillout music by most of the artists featured on the CD: Eric Hopper (Sylken), Joe G (Styrohead), Jamie Todd (URM), Paul Royes (Delta Forces), Aidan Baker (ARC), Scott M2 (dreamSTATE), Steven Sauve (karmafarm), Matthew Poulakakis (Solipsystem) and from Vancouver, Terry O'Brien (Anomalous Disturbances). Three mini-sets are planned, with artists performing solo and in various combinations, followed by a mega-jam featuring all performers. Illuminating the event will be Ping faves General Chaos Visuals, whose projected imagery also provides the art for the CD cover package. Not to be missed... Between Sets CD - "PiNG AMBiENCE 2" by Various Artists We'll be featuring (of course) the new PiNG AMBiENCE 2 compilation which, besides all the artists performing tonight, also features Susanna Hood (with dreamSTATE), earotica (rik maclean + Scott M2) and some of our American visitors: James Johnson, Sara Ayers and Alpha Wave Movement. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday April 27th - ARC, Alan Bloor (Pholde) and Anne Sulikowski with General Chaos Visuals http://fade.to/arc http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com http://www.pholde.com http://www.worthyrecords.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Out of the System" by karmafarm Fans of the Toronto ambient scene will no doubt be familiar with the name of Steven Sauve, one of Eric Hopper's frequent collaborators in the Sylken project & a member of quasiMODAL. One may not, however, be as familiar with his solo work as karmafarm, a systems based ambient project Steven has performed under for a number of years. "Out of the System" is the first CD release by karmafarm and it fully captures the charm and dark wonder of Steven's work. "Roads into Ruins" is a rather ominous opening track, a lonely trip into the heart of darkness. Deep drones play against the noises of industry, the sounds of ancient machinery revived from dormancy to transport us to another place. A marvelous piece to introduce the disc, simply stunning. "Opulent Revision" treads a similar dark path, tones rising and falling against a constantly shifting backdrop of sounds. "Land of Sleep" plays with the soundfield, alien whirring and buzzing sounds flying around the listener, an almost insectile grace about them. Quite beguiling this one. "Leipzig Unseen" presents an arctic wind blowing through the frozen Tundra. Pads sweep throughout the track alternately growing and shrinking in volume, the progress of movement measured in slowly oscilating tones. Brilliant. "Bamboo Shift" takes a complete one eighty and brings us out of the darkness for a few moments with some lovely echoing keyboard work over a number of rather exotic percussive tones. Charming. "Procession" returns to the darker tones of the earlier tracks, creating a sense of majesty and ritual with pulsing tones keeping time with a series of ascending melodies. Very theatrical this one, something very regal about it. "Psyko:logik" continues the journey through the dark with the sound of the abyss portrayed by the slow pulse of processed sound. Chilling & enigmatic tones pass throughout adding to the atmosphere. Truly inspired dark ambience. "Out of the Blue" closes the disc with an oscilating drone blended with found melodies and distorted sounds. 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 03:02:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3I70we19575; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 03:00:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 03:00:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040417071817.MCLJ5247.out014.verizon.net@home> References: <20040417071817.MCLJ5247.out014.verizon.net@home> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 03:57:57 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Input knob possessed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >OK, sometimes my input knob is ok, sometimes it is possessed. I have an >older one from about '96, and I have been having some trouble with the input >gain. It is always right around 1/4 up, which is usually fine (used on the >aux send of a Mackie 1202vlz set straight at unity gain). Problem is, more >often than not, the difference between the input LED being off to being in >the red is like the width of a human hair. I have had no troubles for the >last 7 or 8 years, and all of a sudden this is happening. It takes forever >to set the gain now, after I have left it in the same spot for years. Either >it distorts or is inaudible. Sometimes I can compensate by turning it lower >and cranking the aux return, but that is a little noisy. > >I read the archives about the input gain problem, but this doesn't seem to >be it. It worked fine, now it is being erratic. Could something have gone >horribly wrong? yes, when the potentiometer brakes it does this, a little crack in the board with the resistance layer. the input pot brakes because its the outmost and receives impacts from the left and front :-( > >Dave Eichenberger >http://www.hazardfactor.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 03:07:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3I75ji20402; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 03:05:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 03:05:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP Input knob possessed Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 03:05:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQlEx1WhcslZ610QPWqMHFALvmmLwAAFN3g X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.12.148.13] at Sun, 18 Apr 2004 02:05:44 -0500 Message-Id: <20040418070544.MPLY3003.out004.verizon.net@home> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, now what? Is it a pot replacement problem, or a board replacement? Or just resoldering? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > yes, when the potentiometer brakes it does this, a little > crack in the board with the resistance layer. > > the input pot brakes because its the outmost and receives > impacts from the left and front > > :-( > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 08:07:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IC6Qf29934; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:06:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:06:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP Input knob possessed Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:06:25 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c4253d$92c14930$0400000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20040418070544.MPLY3003.out004.verizon.net@home> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It will just be a pot replacement; Matthias means the tiny PCB inside the pot when he says "crack in the board with the resistance layer" If you send me your address, I'll post a set of pots to you. Andy. -----Original Message----- From: hazard factor [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] Sent: 18 April 2004 08:06 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Input knob possessed OK, now what? Is it a pot replacement problem, or a board replacement? Or just resoldering? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > yes, when the potentiometer brakes it does this, a little > crack in the board with the resistance layer. > > the input pot brakes because its the outmost and receives > impacts from the left and front > > :-( > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 08:20:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ICK1t01077; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:20:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:20:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040418070544.MPLY3003.out004.verizon.net@home> References: <20040418070544.MPLY3003.out004.verizon.net@home> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:14:19 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: EDP Input knob possessed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >OK, now what? Is it a pot replacement problem, or a board replacement? Or >just resoldering? just pot replacement. if you unscrew the front and take off the knobs (just pushing) you probably can feel whether the input knobs axis is a little looser than the others. if this is not the case, the problem may not be that it broke, but may be the pot anyway. Might be interesting to verify with a ohm-meter: measure the total resistance of it, while moving it... if you are not familiar with a soldering iron and multilayer PCB, and willing to do the fix yourself, we better stop this discussion, because a rep knows what I am saying here... > >Dave Eichenberger >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > >> >> yes, when the potentiometer brakes it does this, a little >> crack in the board with the resistance layer. >> >> the input pot brakes because its the outmost and receives >> impacts from the left and front >> >> :-( >> >> > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 08:44:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ICgVL05678; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:42:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:42:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nikolai Onken" To: Subject: Using Samplers live? Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:42:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C42553.5CE23B60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcQlQpiHkm4GiaUHTba22fBb87ODlg== Message-Id: <20040418124223.1539F18CC0@dd3032.kasserver.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C42553.5CE23B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I was wondering if it is possible to loop yourself live with a sampler? I am currently using the Boss RC-20 but this is limited to only one playing channel and it can't be controlled by MIDI. So I was wondering if I could run a sampler like the AKAI Z8 with a timecode and press record and it records automatically exactly on the beat and if I press stop shortly before it should stop, it starts looping right away on the beat - so there are no timing issues. If this is not possible are there ways to be able to have several loops running at the same time and control them with a mixer? Best regards, Nikolai Onken ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C42553.5CE23B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey,

 

I was = wondering if it is possible to loop yourself live with a sampler? I = am

currently using the Boss RC-20 but this is limited to only one = playing

channel and it can't be controlled by MIDI.

So I = was wondering if I could run a sampler like the AKAI Z8 with a = timecode

and = press record and it records automatically exactly on the beat and if = I

press = stop shortly before it should stop, it starts looping right away = on

the = beat - so there are no timing issues.

If = this is not possible are there ways to be able to have several = loops

running at the same time and control them with a mixer?

Best = regards,

 

Nikolai Onken

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C42553.5CE23B60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 08:59:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ICwxK09205; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:58:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:58:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:55:55 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-X-Sender: smaug@pine.servidores.unam.mx To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using Samplers live? In-Reply-To: <20040418124223.1539F18CC0@dd3032.kasserver.com> Message-ID: References: <20040418124223.1539F18CC0@dd3032.kasserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you can do this with the repeater! Andy On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, Nikolai Onken wrote: > Hey, > > > > I was wondering if it is possible to loop yourself live with a sampler? I am > > currently using the Boss RC-20 but this is limited to only one playing > > channel and it can't be controlled by MIDI. > > So I was wondering if I could run a sampler like the AKAI Z8 with a timecode > > and press record and it records automatically exactly on the beat and if I > > press stop shortly before it should stop, it starts looping right away on > > the beat - so there are no timing issues. > > If this is not possible are there ways to be able to have several loops > > running at the same time and control them with a mixer? > > Best regards, > > > > Nikolai Onken > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 10:14:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IEDPp25213; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:13:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:13:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:17:36 +0200 Subject: Midi phantom power From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: VyD6z8Z1re7JFiZbS7MzmxCO5bgzAixtnZ2JKQL4Zhh5GIX2Gofyc9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, in the past I have run a Tech 21 midi mouse on phantom power from my EDP successfully, one little victory in the ever raging battle against wallwarts. It doesn't need much juice, and my amp tech could easily hook up 9 volt through one of the wires of the midi cable that is unused. My new Midi control device, a Kenton Spin Doctor, sais it needs 9V d.c. @ 250 mA. in the manual. Can the EDP supply this without getting into trouble? Can I simply try this out without coursing breakdowns? Matthias? Kim? Thanks, Andreas Willers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 11:02:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IF03s32465; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:00:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:00:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nikolai Onken" To: Subject: AW: Using Samplers live? Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:59:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQlTeDzyTJYKeRRRuq8YES/j3fiNgABa0ww Message-Id: <20040418145956.5471427BB9@dd3032.kasserver.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Per Boysen" [mailto:per@boysen.se] wrote: > You can also do this with a computer running Ableton Live. > > Regards > > Per Boysen I was thinking about that too - and it gives a lot of flexibility if the computer runs stable :) I am only still wondering about latency - I would only work with audio sampling - no sequencing etc. I am planning to use the Edirol UA-1000 USB-audio interface and that would have the required in and outs for live use... Best regards, Nikolai From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 11:04:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IE29N22898; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:02:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:02:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:02:01 +0200 Subject: Re: Using Samplers live? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Nikolai, You can also do this with a computer running Ableton Live. Regards Per Boysen On 04-04-18 14.55, "smaug@servidor.unam.mx" wrote: > > > you can do this with the repeater! > > Andy > > > > > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, Nikolai Onken wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> >> >> I was wondering if it is possible to loop yourself live with a sampler? I am >> >> currently using the Boss RC-20 but this is limited to only one playing >> >> channel and it can't be controlled by MIDI. >> >> So I was wondering if I could run a sampler like the AKAI Z8 with a timecode >> >> and press record and it records automatically exactly on the beat and if I >> >> press stop shortly before it should stop, it starts looping right away on >> >> the beat - so there are no timing issues. >> >> If this is not possible are there ways to be able to have several loops >> >> running at the same time and control them with a mixer? >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Nikolai Onken >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 11:14:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IFDLl02647; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:13:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:13:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Daxophones (and visualizations) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:13:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C4251C.FA26B810" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <4072436E00006B09@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcQkMHj776wZ+MM6S1OhUHqzjD+F2ABI+1WA Message-Id: <20040418151255.KEXT17557.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C4251C.FA26B810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Chris. It's a great example of the looping technique for a beginner like me. When only one instrument or sound is playing, I've had some difficulty separating the loops in my musical mind. With all of the sounds this piece has, it fairly easy to follow. Gives me some ideas of how looping could work for me, say, using Ableton Live, and some industrial machine sounds, or loading the samples in the Fantom S. It was neat to watch the visualizations (Alchemy: Random) in the Windows Media Player while it played back. Does anyone on the list know of any software/player, (other than arKaos, which is much more than a player) which can show visualizations with live sounds? Light Show isn't available yet from Fruity Loops. Thanks, Tom -----Original Message----- From: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Daxophones following up on the daxophone discussion, I've uploaded the track I mentioned. It's by a man named Hans Reichel and is an excerpt from a piece called Le Bal. The CD I pulled it from is called "Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones - Experimental Musical Instruments" from Ellipsis Arts... Lots of good stuff on this CD... Great sounding stuff.. :) http://www.musetrap.com/daxophone enjoy.. :) peace -cpr ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C4251C.FA26B810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks, Chris.  It’s a great example of the looping technique for a beginner like me.  When only one instrument or sound is playing, I’ve had = some difficulty separating the loops in my musical mind.  With all of = the sounds this piece has, it fairly easy to follow.  Gives me some = ideas of how looping could work for me, say, using Ableton Live, and some = industrial machine sounds, or loading the samples in the Fantom = S.

 

It was neat to watch the visualizations (Alchemy: Random) in the = Windows Media Player while it played back.   Does anyone on the = list know of any software/player, (other than arKaos, which is much more than a = player) which can show visualizations with live sounds?  Light Show = isn't available yet from Fruity Loops.

 

Thanks, Tom

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com]
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Daxophones

 

following up on the daxophone discussion, I've uploaded the = track I mentioned.

It's by a man named Hans Reichel and is an excerpt from a piece = called Le

Bal. The CD I pulled it from is called "Gravikords, = Whirlies & Pyrophones

- Experimental Musical Instruments" from Ellipsis Arts... = Lots of good stuff

on this CD... Great sounding stuff.. = :)

 

http://www.musetrap.com/daxoph= one

 

enjoy.. :)

 

peace

-cpr

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C4251C.FA26B810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 11:17:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IFFk903590; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Using Samplers live? Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:15:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040418145956.5471427BB9@dd3032.kasserver.com> Thread-Index: AcQlTeDzyTJYKeRRRuq8YES/j3fiNgABa0wwAAEOJiA= Message-Id: <20040418151534.YVDJ27184.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nikolai, There's almost no latency issues if you have a sound card that supports ASIO. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Nikolai Onken [mailto:info@nikolaionken.com] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: Using Samplers live? "Per Boysen" [mailto:per@boysen.se] wrote: > You can also do this with a computer running Ableton Live. > > Regards > > Per Boysen I was thinking about that too - and it gives a lot of flexibility if the computer runs stable :) I am only still wondering about latency - I would only work with audio sampling - no sequencing etc. I am planning to use the Edirol UA-1000 USB-audio interface and that would have the required in and outs for live use... Best regards, Nikolai From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 11:22:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IFL1n04400; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:21:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:21:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: EDP Knob Gone Bad--Where Do I Get it Fixed? Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:20:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQlP9nFijjQCCN7TrOkpF8icJuw4wAGAkFg Message-Id: <20040418152033.KWSI14862.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----> I have this problem with the output knob of my original Echoplex! I tried cleaning it with tuner clear recently and only made the wobble (and disfunction) worse. I don't have the skills to replace this--do I call Shane? Gary -----Original Message was From: Matthias Grob Talking about pot replacement on the EDP. if you unscrew the front and take off the knobs (just pushing) you probably can feel whether the input knobs axis is a little looser than the others. if this is not the case, the problem may not be that it broke, but may be the pot anyway. Might be interesting to verify with a ohm-meter: measure the total resistance of it, while moving it... if you are not familiar with a soldering iron and multilayer PCB, and willing to do the fix yourself, we better stop this discussion, because a rep knows what I am saying here... >> >> yes, when the potentiometer brakes it does this, a little >> crack in the board with the resistance layer. >> Thread started by Dave Eichenberger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 11:22:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IFLJr04474; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:21:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:21:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nikolai Onken" To: Subject: AW: Using Samplers live? Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:21:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040418151534.YVDJ27184.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@MusicComputer> Thread-Index: AcQlTeDzyTJYKeRRRuq8YES/j3fiNgABa0wwAAEOJiAAADZfEA== Message-Id: <20040418152111.B385225469@dd3032.kasserver.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There's almost no latency issues if you have a sound card that supports > ASIO. So basically it really breaks down to getting a stable computer... hehe I don't have a Mac :( Thanks for the ideas!!! Regards, nikolai From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 12:15:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IGDZO13697; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:13:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:13:31 -0700 Message-Id: <55BDE11A-9153-11D8-8432-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-Id: From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig spam (Seattle) (Modified by Travis Hartnett) Resent-From: Travis Hartnett Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:11:03 -0700 To: Travis Hartnett X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com More acoustic guitar looping shows this week: Monday, April 19, 8-9PM Sea Monster Lounge (2202 N 45th St.) [the old Pattie's Eggnest in Wallingford] Friday, April 23, 8-10PM El Diablo Coffeehouse (1811 Queen Anne Ave N) Saturday, April 24, 2-4PM Tully's (4th and Union) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 14:27:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IIFow32563; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:15:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:15:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: visualizations (was RE: Daxophones) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:15:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcQlau06C/R3BjB9RwSPXnzSAr1bDAABgdwg In-Reply-To: <001401c4256a$9b88a040$fcaa6fc7@gsc3cwin2k> Message-Id: <20040418181539.OVAJ16555.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --->Alchemy: Random is my favorite! Can Windows Media Player use a line in for this? Gary Winamp does live visualization, just set the play location to "linein://" Good little trick. <<>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 14:30:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IHRP324090; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:27:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:27:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c4256a$9b88a040$fcaa6fc7@gsc3cwin2k> From: "redrum123" To: References: <20040418151255.KEXT17557.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@MusicComputer> Subject: Re: Daxophones (and visualizations) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:28:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <26eQhC.A.U4F.9prgAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Winamp does live visualization, just set the play location to "linein://" Good little trick. <<>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 14:35:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IIWmS03960; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:32:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:32:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c4258d$0e25a0e0$6700a8c0@yew> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20040418152111.B385225469@dd3032.kasserver.com> Subject: Re: Using Samplers live? Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:35:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Macs are not the only stable computers out there. A PC is good if it has Windows XP on it and you don't let it run a bunch of junk in the background. As far as Akai, Emu, or Yamaha stand alone rackmount samplers, you're going to be hard pressed to use them in realtime with any kind of rhythmic precision. Hence, what a "looper" is. A sampler with a specially designed interface for using in realtime. Good luck. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikolai Onken" To: Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:21 AM Subject: AW: Using Samplers live? > > > > There's almost no latency issues if you have a sound card that supports > > ASIO. > > So basically it really breaks down to getting a stable computer... hehe I > don't have a Mac :( > Thanks for the ideas!!! > Regards, > > nikolai > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 14:44:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IIfkR05500; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:41:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:41:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Loop Music Name! Was RE: Using Samplers live? Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:41:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcQlc+I3dZDz/gZfSzCdg2r09V+IkgAAJqog In-Reply-To: <003d01c4258d$0e25a0e0$6700a8c0@yew> Message-Id: <20040418184136.PGEH16022.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Then how about "Real time Sampling" as a name for looping? Just trying to cause trouble . . . G -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 2:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using Samplers live? Macs are not the only stable computers out there. A PC is good if it has Windows XP on it and you don't let it run a bunch of junk in the background. As far as Akai, Emu, or Yamaha stand alone rackmount samplers, you're going to be hard pressed to use them in realtime with any kind of rhythmic precision. Hence, what a "looper" is. A sampler with a specially designed interface for using in realtime. Good luck. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikolai Onken" To: Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:21 AM Subject: AW: Using Samplers live? > > > > There's almost no latency issues if you have a sound card that supports > > ASIO. > > So basically it really breaks down to getting a stable computer... hehe I > don't have a Mac :( > Thanks for the ideas!!! > Regards, > > nikolai > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 15:17:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IJFRl10458; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:15:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:15:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:15:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Loop Music Name! Was RE: Using Samplers live? From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040418184136.PGEH16022.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 4/18/04 11:41 AM, Gary Lehmann at hqr@cox.net wrote: > Then how about "Real time Sampling" as a name for looping? > Just trying to cause trouble . . . See my earlier message in which I attempted to make a distinction between "Real Time Sampling" and "Live Looping" from a listening experience standpoint. Both are done live. Both benefit from the rhythmic precision of good looping equipment. It mostly becomes a matter of what the musician does with it afterward and whether the loopy nature of the sample matters. I also noted in that message that there is a continuum and the distinction has to do with stylistic centers of gravity rather than hard boundaries. In my categorization, Rick Walker floats around the live looping center of gravity. John Whooley floats around the real time sampling center of gravity. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 16:17:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IK4hq18275; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:04:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:04:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4082DF59.8060300@ripco.com> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:04:41 -0500 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daxophones References: <200404180702.i3I72fN19873@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200404180702.i3I72fN19873@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In case it wasn't posted before, Hans Reichel has a brilliantly funny animated website about the daxophone at: http://www.daxo.de/ It uses Flash 4 animation, so you'll probably need a fast connection to enjoy the sounds and visuals fully. He also has a new CD just out last year, named "Yuxo" on the FMP label (Berlin) http://www.free-music-production.de/ Sorry if this is redundant, I missed the previous discussion. Best regards, Eric From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 18:19:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IMFKp09704; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:15:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:15:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:15:10 +0200 Subject: Re: Daxophones (and visualizations) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c4256a$9b88a040$fcaa6fc7@gsc3cwin2k> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The best moving graphic visualization I've seen is the mp3 player Sonique. www.sonique.com (only for Windows). Be sure to botanize among the uploaded visual plug-ins. I really miss Sonique on the Mac ;-( Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 19:15:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3IMAqU08577; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:10:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:10:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:10:45 +0200 Subject: Re: AW: Using Samplers live? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040418152111.B385225469@dd3032.kasserver.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> There's almost no latency issues if you have a sound card that supports >> ASIO. > > So basically it really breaks down to getting a stable computer... hehe I > don't have a Mac :( > Thanks for the ideas!!! > Regards, > > nikolai Both my Mac and my PC are completely stable. The PC is pretty lousy, a 700 MHz Pentium 3 laptop, but it never crashes. Not even when looping live audio input with Ableton Live. You just have to keep the system clean and not use software that makes it unstable. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 19:17:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3INFGr20991; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:15:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:15:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <123.2d7cd241.2db465f5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:15:01 EDT Subject: Re: Loop Music Name! Was RE: Using Samplers live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_123.2d7cd241.2db465f5_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_123.2d7cd241.2db465f5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/18/04 3:16:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > Rick Walker floats around the live looping center of > gravity. John Whooley floats around the real time sampling center of > gravity. > mark.....can ya give me a bit more on this?.....thnaks......michael --part1_123.2d7cd241.2db465f5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/18/04 3:16:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.c= om writes:


Rick Walker floats around the l= ive looping center of
gravity. John Whooley floats around the real time sampling center of
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mark.....can ya give me a bit more on this?.....thnaks......michael --part1_123.2d7cd241.2db465f5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 19:44:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3INhGN26572; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:43:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:43:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.176.113] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <123.2d7cd241.2db465f5@aol.com> Subject: Re: Loop Music Name! Was RE: Using Samplers live? Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:43:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01C42564.3646BF60"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.00.0013.2101 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:43:01 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2004 23:43:07.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6429440:01C4259E] Resent-Message-ID: <1kdSdC.A.FfG.TKxgAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C42564.3646BF60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0060_01C42564.3646BF60" ------=_NextPart_001_0060_01C42564.3646BF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perhaps alluding to John Whooley's amazing ability (as I've witnessed) = to stack harmonies on the fly using e.g. the DL-4 "instant replay = sampler"? ; -) I've witnessed him a few times with Estradasphere - he'd do this in = obviously structured/arranged/recurring song elements (e.g. choruses), = or completely on the fly and seemingly effortlessly in the middle of a = busy sax solo. Awesome. Nic http://www.fractal-continuum.com=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 4:15 PM Subject: Re: Loop Music Name! Was RE: Using Samplers live? In a message dated 4/18/04 3:16:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: Rick Walker floats around the live looping center of gravity. John Whooley floats around the real time sampling center of gravity. mark.....can ya give me a bit more on this?.....thnaks......michael ------=_NextPart_001_0060_01C42564.3646BF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Perhaps alluding to John Whooley's amazing ability (as I've = witnessed) to=20 stack harmonies on the fly using e.g. the DL-4 "instant replay sampler"? = ;=20 -)
 
I've witnessed him a few times with Estradasphere - he'd do this in = obviously structured/arranged/recurring song elements (e.g. choruses), = or=20 completely on the fly and seemingly effortlessly in the middle of a busy = sax=20 solo. Awesome.
Nic
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In a=20 message dated 4/18/04 3:16:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com=20 writes:


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gravity.=20 John Whooley floats around the real time sampling center=20 of
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mark.....can ya give me a bit = more on=20 this?.....thnaks......michael =
------=_NextPart_001_0060_01C42564.3646BF60-- ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C42564.3646BF60 Content-Type: image/gif; name="greypixel.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://graphics.hotmail.com/greypixel.gif R0lGODlhAQABAIcAAJmZmQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH5BAAAAP8ALAAAAAABAAEA AAgEAAEEBAA7 ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C42564.3646BF60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 20:22:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3J0IY901514; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:18:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:18:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: visualizations (was RE: Daxophones) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:18:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQlau06C/R3BjB9RwSPXnzSAr1bDAABgdwgAApOWjA= In-Reply-To: <20040418181539.OVAJ16555.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040419001828.IPQX25138.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <9xL6RC.A.cX.arxgAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary, as far as I know, Windows Media Player has no audio input that I'm aware of. There was a short article on these visualizations in the September 2003 Music Tech Magazine. It said neither WMP nor Win Amp had audio input capabilities, but the e-mail from re-drum 123 proved otherwise. Tom ************************************* -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 11:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: visualizations (was RE: Daxophones) --->Alchemy: Random is my favorite! Can Windows Media Player use a line in for this? Gary Winamp does live visualization, just set the play location to "linein://" Good little trick. <<>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 20:25:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3J0NTl02776; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:23:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:23:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Daxophones (and visualizations) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:23:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQlau06x88v+AfrR2CjGwy0/19K/wAOPaEQ In-Reply-To: <001401c4256a$9b88a040$fcaa6fc7@gsc3cwin2k> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040419002318.TLOA16022.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info. I got it to work with my synth workstation. And even with Ableton Live, until it bombed on me. Tom -----Original Message----- From: redrum123 [mailto:redrum123@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daxophones (and visualizations) Winamp does live visualization, just set the play location to "linein://" Good little trick. <<>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 20:39:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3J0aI305867; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:36:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:36:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Daxophones (and visualizations) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:36:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQlkwi5lTpn+alUS1ujk9olXZ9T/gAEx+Bw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040419003612.RUVA15011.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Per. I'll have to try Sonique again. The last time I tried to use it, it caused my PC some problems, so I don't know what I did wrong? Tom -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 3:15 PM To: Loopers Subject: Re: Daxophones (and visualizations) The best moving graphic visualization I've seen is the mp3 player Sonique. www.sonique.com (only for Windows). Be sure to botanize among the uploaded visual plug-ins. I really miss Sonique on the Mac ;-( Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 21:32:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3J1Qut15899; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:26:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:26:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15c.324f348e.2db484d3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:26:43 EDT Subject: visualizations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15c.324f348e.2db484d3_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15c.324f348e.2db484d3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: 3D screensavers and fractal screensavers .....these are fun and you can download demos.....michael --part1_15c.324f348e.2db484d3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Click here: 3D screensavers and fractal screensav= ers .....these are fun and you can download demos.....michael --part1_15c.324f348e.2db484d3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 18 21:49:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3J1hr919625; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:43:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:43:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40832E94.7A32E1D@iwvisp.com> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:40:00 -0700 From: dirt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: John Wooley movie at archive.org - Was Re: Loop Music Name! Was RE: Using Samplers live? References: <123.2d7cd241.2db465f5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <24h8BB.A.hyE.Y7ygAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Comes in mpeg1 (for burning a VCD) & mpeg4: > Nic Roozeboom wrote: > > Perhaps alluding to John Whooley's amazing ability (as I've witnessed) > to stack harmonies on the fly using e.g. the DL-4 "instant replay > sampler"? ; -) > > I've witnessed him a few times with Estradasphere - he'd do this in > obviously structured/arranged/recurring song elements (e.g. choruses), > or completely on the fly and seemingly effortlessly in the middle of a > busy sax solo. Awesome. > Nic > [Image] > > http://www.fractal-continuum.com > http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 00:31:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3J4RcY12009; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:27:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:27:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40835532.2070807@iinet.net.au> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:27:30 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5+ (Macintosh/20040326) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: visualizations References: <15c.324f348e.2db484d3@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <15c.324f348e.2db484d3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, I haven't used them in a while, but giessworks (www.geissworks.com) produce both the geiss and drempels desktops/screensavers which respond to line in. They also work as winamp plugins as far as I know. The site seems to be down at the moment, but it's worth a look, as both these visualisations are highly configurable. Drempels in particular is lots of fun if you give it some time as you can load in your own texture images to make excellent 'breathing' walls of psychedelic bliss (not in the cliched kind of fractal trip either). Very organic. omjn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 00:58:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3J4t9x16036; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:55:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:55:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: visualizations Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:55:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C4258F.CD4CA5C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <15c.324f348e.2db484d3@aol.com> Thread-Index: AcQlrc9C9kVkb08JT3W1KaoCdSlPYwAHId9g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040419045451.VJGF14862.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C4258F.CD4CA5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, Do these work in win amp or windows media player? Thanks for the link, Tom _____ From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 6:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: visualizations Click here: 3D screensavers and fractal screensavers .....these are fun and you can download demos.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C4258F.CD4CA5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Michael,

 

Do these work in win amp or windows = media player?

 

Thanks for the = link,

Tom

 

From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 18, = 2004 6:27 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = visualizations

 

Click here: 3D = screensavers and fractal screensavers .....these are fun and you can download demos.....michael

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C4258F.CD4CA5C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 01:02:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3J4uBR16306; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:56:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:56:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: visualizations Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:56:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C4258F.F5A02240" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <15c.324f348e.2db484d3@aol.com> Thread-Index: AcQlrc9C9kVkb08JT3W1KaoCdSlPYwAHId9g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040419045559.VJTT14862.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C4258F.F5A02240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, Do these work in win amp or windows media player? Thanks for the link, Tom _____ From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 6:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: visualizations Click here: 3D screensavers and fractal screensavers .....these are fun and you can download demos.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C4258F.F5A02240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Michael,

 

Do these work in win amp or windows = media player?

 

Thanks for the = link,

Tom

 

From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 18, = 2004 6:27 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = visualizations

 

Click here: 3D = screensavers and fractal screensavers .....these are fun and you can download demos.....michael

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C4258F.F5A02240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 01:11:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3J4xoJ16857; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:59:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:59:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: visualizations Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:59:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <40835532.2070807@iinet.net.au> Thread-Index: AcQlx2gxtJybMPSQSJuuYKKMQRlzYQAAxebA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040419045936.SJVQ17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <1reZdD.A.PHE.Gz1gAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll check these out too. Thanks, Tom -----Original Message----- From: mjnoble [mailto:not8ohm@iinet.net.au] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 9:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: visualizations hi, I haven't used them in a while, but giessworks (www.geissworks.com) produce both the geiss and drempels desktops/screensavers which respond to line in. They also work as winamp plugins as far as I know. The site seems to be down at the moment, but it's worth a look, as both these visualisations are highly configurable. Drempels in particular is lots of fun if you give it some time as you can load in your own texture images to make excellent 'breathing' walls of psychedelic bliss (not in the cliched kind of fractal trip either). Very organic. omjn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 01:42:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3J5acx22332; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 01:36:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 01:36:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040418223711.03431240@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:41:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Midi phantom power In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:17 AM 4/18/2004, Andreas Willers wrote: >in the past I have run a Tech 21 midi mouse on phantom power from my EDP >successfully, one little victory in the ever raging battle against >wallwarts. It doesn't need much juice, and my amp tech could easily hook up >9 volt through one of the wires of the midi cable that is unused. My new >Midi control device, a Kenton Spin Doctor, sais it needs 9V d.c. @ 250 mA. >in the manual. Can the EDP supply this without getting into trouble? Can I >simply try this out without coursing breakdowns? Matthias? Kim? the Echoplex does not have 9v available, and trying to draw 250mA risks causing other problems. If a device is not designed to support something like this, I don't recommend trying. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 04:15:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3J8ASA10554; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:10:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:10:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:10:21 +0200 Subject: Re: Daxophones (and visualizations) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040419003612.RUVA15011.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@MusicComputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9B7ixC.A.vkC.0l4gAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-19 02.36, "Tom Rex" wrote: > Thanks, Per. I'll have to try Sonique again. The last time I tried to use > it, it caused my PC some problems, so I don't know what I did wrong? > > Tom It worked fine on my two PC's so far ;-) It looks to me as the Sonique development project was left behind by investors, since the software update to 2.0 has been due for two years now. Version 1.98 is the one to go for. And browse the archive of user developed visual plug-ins. I read somewher there is also a way to us Soniqye to visualize an audio stream coming from a mic or line in - doesn't have to be mp3 files played back internally. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 06:15:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3JA1l222266; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 06:01:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 06:01:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040419100141.18827.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 03:01:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Using Samplers with loopers live (akai mpc1000 or laptop?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am also interested in using samplers live with my loopers but i am debating what would be better before i buy... akai mpc1000- 800.00dlls. Pros:seems very stable,portable size,2 midi ins and outs,easy file transfer and upgradable to 128MB cons: recognises only wavs i beleive Laptop-over 1000.00dlls. pros: full flexibility! cons:price,xtra hardware required,vulnerable to crashes? This is just my assumption since i have no experience with either one but i´d appreciate your advice from all of you who are experienced in this field! thanx cheers Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 08:45:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3JCgQ409746; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:42:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:42:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1082378540!11251213 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708534260@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: A.Willers@t-online.de, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Midi phantom power Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:42:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4260B.B7FFD8F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4260B.B7FFD8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>my amp tech could easily hook up 9 volt through one of the wires of the midi cable that is unused. My new Midi control device, a Kenton Spin Doctor, sais it needs 9V d.c. @ 250 mA.in the manual. Can the EDP supply this without getting into trouble? Can I simply try this out without coursing breakdowns? Matthias? Kim?<<< andreas, I wouldn't recommend putting the extra load on any power supply like this, as you're straightaway inviting reliability problems & voided warranties & so on. what I do with my midi rig (& I've written this up to the list at greater length before) is use the "spare" connections of the midi cabling to distribute + & - 12V from a /laptop/ power supply. this approach has the benefits that the power pack can be replaced easily, works anywhere in the world & has an absolutely flat output that won't put hum onto the midi data signal. at very least, the 9V needs to be regulated. if it doesn't say "regulated" on the power supply, it isn't. there are some more caveats for even the most experienced techs: quite a lot of midi devices, especially those from japan, don't have the midi din socket fully populated. that is to say, the outer pair of contacts are physically absent. many commercially available midi cables also lack these connections; though the pins are there in the plugs, there's no electrical connection to them. I made my own midi cables with all the pins connected, & for certain bits of gear there's a second, shorter cable coming out the back of the din plug alongside the midi cable, to go to the power jack on the boss/roland/korg/whatever. also, it's common practice to have the ground lifted at one end of a midi connection; this is usually achieved at the receiving end &, while it doesn't preclude use of the ground wiring for the power supply, one should take care not to create an unwanted midi grounding. most small midi devices, like the kenton & doepfer controllers, carry the same spec on their cases- "must have 9V at 200mA" or whatever, & then you open them up & find a 7805 there every time. I can't remember the last time I saw a bit of gear that didn't have it's own internal voltage regulation, except for stomp-boxes. but I have done this & made it work & now there isn't a single "wall-wart" in my live-rig. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4260B.B7FFD8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Midi phantom power

>>>my amp tech could easily hook up 9 volt throu= gh one of the wires of the midi cable that is unused. My new Midi control d= evice, a Kenton Spin Doctor, sais it needs 9V d.c. @ 250 mA.in the manual. = Can the EDP supply this without getting into trouble? Can I simply try this= out without coursing breakdowns? Matthias? Kim?<<<

andreas, I wouldn't recommend putting the extra load on a= ny power supply like this, as you're straightaway inviting reliability prob= lems & voided warranties & so on.

 
what I do with my midi rig (& I've written this up t= o the list at greater length before) is use the "spare" connectio= ns of the midi cabling to distribute + & - 12V from a /laptop/ power su= pply. this approach has the benefits that the power pack can be replaced ea= sily, works anywhere in the world & has an absolutely flat output that = won't put hum onto the midi data signal.

at very least, the 9V needs to be regulated. if it doesn'= t say "regulated" on the power supply, it isn't.

there are some more caveats for even the most experienced= techs: quite a lot of midi devices, especially those from japan, don't hav= e the midi din socket fully populated. that is to say, the outer pair of co= ntacts are physically absent. many commercially available midi cables also = lack these connections; though the pins are there in the plugs, there's no = electrical connection to them.

I made my own midi cables with all the pins connected, &a= mp; for certain bits of gear there's a second, shorter cable coming out the= back of the din plug alongside the midi cable, to go to the power jack on = the boss/roland/korg/whatever.

 
also, it's common practice to have the ground lifted at = one end of a midi connection; this is usually achieved at the receiving end= &, while it doesn't preclude use of the ground wiring for the power su= pply, one should take care not to create an unwanted midi grounding.=

most small midi devices, like the kenton & doepfer co= ntrollers, carry the same spec on their cases- "must have 9V at 200mA&= quot; or whatever, & then you open them up & find a 7805 there ever= y time. I can't remember the last time I saw a bit of gear that didn't have= it's own internal voltage regulation, except for stomp-boxes.

but I have done this & made it work & now there i= sn't a single "wall-wart" in my live-rig.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4260B.B7FFD8F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 10:24:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3JEIUo22147; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:18:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:18:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040419141829.66219.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 07:18:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Using Samplers with loopers live (akai mpc1000 or laptop?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040419100141.18827.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > I am also interested in using samplers live with my > loopers but i am debating what would be better > before > i buy... > > akai mpc1000- 800.00dlls. > Pros:seems very stable,portable size,2 midi ins and > outs,easy file transfer and upgradable to 128MB > cons: recognises only wavs i beleive > > Laptop-over 1000.00dlls. > pros: full flexibility! > cons:price,xtra hardware required,vulnerable to > crashes? I'm also interested in what responses you get, Luis. I have an Apple iBook which which I performed live once, but it proved to be underpowered for running most FM7 patches. I'm specifically interested in comparisons of the Akai MPC series vs. laptop running Ableton Live. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 11:19:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3JFBqQ30846; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:11:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:11:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d5.1f1fc99a.2db54630@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:11:44 EDT Subject: Re: visualizations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d5.1f1fc99a.2db54630_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d5.1f1fc99a.2db54630_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/19/04 12:56:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomrex1@cox.net writes: > Do these work in win amp or windows media player? > > > > tom.....i don't really know but they have an application call "CD/SPECTRUM PRO" which allows you to sync sound to image.....will this work for MP3s etc. i don't know, sorry.....michael --part1_1d5.1f1fc99a.2db54630_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/19/04 12:56:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomrex1@cox.net write= s:


Do these work in win amp or wi= ndows media player?



tom.....i don't really know but they have an application call "CD/SPECTRUM P= RO" which allows you to sync sound to image.....will this work for MP3s etc.= i don't know, sorry.....michael --part1_1d5.1f1fc99a.2db54630_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 11:29:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3JFOvU32657; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:24:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:24:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1d5.1f1fc99a.2db54630@aol.com> References: <1d5.1f1fc99a.2db54630@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:26:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ritsu Katsumata Subject: OT OT !! inuit throat singers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1129734076==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1129734076==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello Loopers, This is OT, but since so many of you are cutting edge avant-garde musicians, I thought I'd see if any one knew anyone in the Northeast US area that knows how to do INUIT THROAT SINGING. I'm working on a project now, called ARCTIC REQUIEM (http://www.ritsu.com/arctic.html) and have gotten clearance to use a loop of Inuit throat singers, but I think it would be even better if it were performed LIVE. The shows are currently booked for April 26 in Ithaca, then June 12 at Vassar College and June 21 at Museum of Modern Art (at NYC Symphony Space). We'll use the loops for next week's show, but I was hoping that by June I can find live performers for the June shows. We've contacted one throat singing duo, but they're in Nunovet, and we can't afford to fly them down for the gigs. Thanks in advance-- suggestions? comments? PS: I'm having a BLAST with my Echoplex. Changed my life. -- Ritsu Katsumata http://www.ritsu.com --============_-1129734076==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" OT OT !! inuit throat singers
Hello Loopers,

This is OT, but since so many of you are cutting edge avant-garde musicians, I thought I'd see if any one knew anyone in the Northeast US area that knows how to do INUIT THROAT SINGING.

I'm working on a project now, called ARCTIC REQUIEM (http://www.ritsu.com/arctic.html) and have gotten clearance to use a loop of Inuit throat singers, but I think it would be even better if it were performed LIVE.  The shows are currently booked for April 26 in Ithaca, then June 12 at Vassar College and June 21 at Museum of Modern Art (at NYC Symphony Space).  We'll use the loops for next week's show, but  I was hoping that by June I can find live performers for the June shows.  We've contacted one throat singing duo, but they're in Nunovet, and we can't afford to fly them down for the gigs.

Thanks in advance--  suggestions?  comments?

PS:  I'm having  a BLAST with my Echoplex.  Changed my life. 


--
Ritsu Katsumata
http://www.ritsu.com
--============_-1129734076==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 12:48:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3JGhvM11793; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.140.8.2] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #145 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:43:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2004 16:43:50.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E6C5830:01C4262D] Resent-Message-ID: <8Tdeq.A.K4C.NHAhAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To me, "looping" is based on creating a sound bed (often of loops with the same start & stop point), soloing over it for a while, adding to the sound bed, soloing more, etc. "real-time sampling" is more interactive - the musician is manipulating the samples just as much (if not more than) his instrument. He feeds sounds into his devices, than manipulates the devices. About half of the "real-time samplers" I know (Scott Looney, Bob Boster, Thomas Dimuzio on occasion, Lance Grabmiller) don't even use a real instrument while playing. They sample the other musicians on stage and spit that out processed versions. Obviously there's a lot of grey area. There's a Scott Looney mp3 on this page: http://www.edgetonerecords.com/catalog/4016.html >Gary Lehmann at hqr@cox.net done wrote: >Then how about "Real time Sampling" as a name for looping? >Just trying to cause trouble . . . >Then Mark Hamburg gone and said >See my earlier message in which I attempted to make a distinction between >"Real Time Sampling" and "Live Looping" from a listening experience >standpoint. Both are done live. Both benefit from the rhythmic precision of >good looping equipment. It mostly becomes a matter of what the musician >does >with it afterward and whether the loopy nature of the sample matters. >I also noted in that message that there is a continuum and the distinction >has to do with stylistic centers of gravity rather than hard boundaries. In >my categorization, Rick Walker floats around the live looping center of >gravity. John Whooley floats around the real time sampling center of >gravity. Mark _________________________________________________________________ Lose those love handles! MSN Fitness shows you two moves to slim your waist. http://fitness.msn.com/articles/feeds/article.aspx?dept=exercise&article=et_pv_030104_lovehandles From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 13:41:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3JHaA219173; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:36:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:36:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP Knob Gone Bad--Where Do I Get it Fixed? Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:36:00 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c42634$cb5b9c30$0300000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040418152033.KWSI14862.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The new pots we use have a longer metal 'collar' which greatly reduces this from happening. Do you know anyone who's handy with a soldering iron? Pot replacement is one of the easier repairs on an EDP and I'll send you a set if you e-mail your address. You could try Shane, but it'd be quicker and cheaper just to get a mate to change them for you; unless you live near to Shane. P.S. it's worth changing all 4 while you're in there. Andy. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: 18 April 2004 16:20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Knob Gone Bad--Where Do I Get it Fixed? -----> I have this problem with the output knob of my original Echoplex! I tried cleaning it with tuner clear recently and only made the wobble (and disfunction) worse. I don't have the skills to replace this--do I call Shane? Gary -----Original Message was From: Matthias Grob Talking about pot replacement on the EDP. if you unscrew the front and take off the knobs (just pushing) you probably can feel whether the input knobs axis is a little looser than the others. if this is not the case, the problem may not be that it broke, but may be the pot anyway. Might be interesting to verify with a ohm-meter: measure the total resistance of it, while moving it... if you are not familiar with a soldering iron and multilayer PCB, and willing to do the fix yourself, we better stop this discussion, because a rep knows what I am saying here... >> >> yes, when the potentiometer brakes it does this, a little >> crack in the board with the resistance layer. >> Thread started by Dave Eichenberger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 15:36:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3JJV0X02937; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:31:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:31:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nikolai Onken" To: Subject: Re: Using Samplers with loopers live (akai mpc1000 or laptop?) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:30:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040419141829.66219.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcQmGTNNGnUicT/5T5quRCZE0xyvvQAKtHDA Message-Id: <20040419193049.A841B337D8@dd3032.kasserver.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] wrote: > > I'm also interested in what responses you get, Luis. > I have an Apple iBook which which I performed live > once, but it proved to be underpowered for running > most FM7 patches. > > I'm specifically interested in comparisons of the Akai > MPC series vs. laptop running Ableton Live. > > Paolo Yeah - I have no idea what is better - computer or sampler. One big issue for me though is that whatever I sample, it will be connected to a Master Clock because other members in the band will use live samplers too. I am also wondering what the new AKAI Z8 can do. I like the fact that it has 8 outs, so you can mix yourself while playing. So no overdubbing... One other thing - is there actually a way to get the time (bpm) of a drummer who plays triggers, but doesn't want to play to a click? Regards, Nikolai From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 18:57:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3JMoYX07770; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:50:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:50:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Daxophones (and visualizations) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:50:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcQl5s+qbuCM98HgSAuGtHENa0pzsgAedYzg Message-Id: <20040419225017.RSKY16351.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, again, Per. I'll use what I have that works with winamp. I wasn't aware that it worked w/ line in, so it should be fine for now. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:10 AM To: Loopers Subject: Re: Daxophones (and visualizations) On 04-04-19 02.36, "Tom Rex" wrote: > Thanks, Per. I'll have to try Sonique again. The last time I tried to use > it, it caused my PC some problems, so I don't know what I did wrong? > > Tom It worked fine on my two PC's so far ;-) It looks to me as the Sonique development project was left behind by investors, since the software update to 2.0 has been due for two years now. Version 1.98 is the one to go for. And browse the archive of user developed visual plug-ins. I read somewher there is also a way to us Soniqye to visualize an audio stream coming from a mic or line in - doesn't have to be mp3 files played back internally. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 22:48:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3K2YjO21240; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:34:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:34:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: damongrossman@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:34:36 +0000 Message-Id: <042020040234.14267.40848C3B000CEE93000037BB2200761438FF919E928C8C908D989190929E@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 12 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZGFtb25ncm9zc21hbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per: Can you loop live audio into Ableton Live if you have a computer on stage? For example, i don't necessarily want to buy an Echoplex. #1 availability #2price. I am a percussionist and I want to loop acoustic sounds, not electronic, sounds live. Possible with the Ableton Live > > >> There's almost no latency issues if you have a sound card that supports > >> ASIO. > > > > So basically it really breaks down to getting a stable computer... hehe I > > don't have a Mac :( > > Thanks for the ideas!!! > > Regards, > > > > nikolai > > > Both my Mac and my PC are completely stable. The PC is pretty lousy, a 700 > MHz Pentium 3 laptop, but it never crashes. Not even when looping live audio > input with Ableton Live. You just have to keep the system clean and not use > software that makes it unstable. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > -- > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 19 23:54:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3K3q9U06085; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:52:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:26:27 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performances Trance Dance 4.24.04 Watertown MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <50lhB.A.9eB.p5JhAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be performing video improvisations as part of a participatory dance event put on by Shakti (formerly Lori) Rowan. Her events have been great fun in the past -- hope I can live up to her description of my work-:) Here is the announcement in her words. At 4:22 AM -0400 4/19/04, ShaktiRowan@aol.com wrote: >Get Ready to Trance and Dance in Boston! > >We are only a week away from an extraordinary evening of ecstatic >dance with live Global Beat by the musicians of TranceTribe, and >sacred installations/dance environment by Shakti Rowan - close to >home! >This event is made for you to enjoy the amazing musicians that are >part of SpiritFire Festival and will benefit the SpiritFire >Scholarship fund. > >Some of the musicians include: * Chuck Wood and Alan Bruggeman of >Ghandarva * Jesse Seymour from the Berkeley School of Music * Julie >Woods * Josselyne Price * Jeanette Ladores With Guest artists: * >Lyra O'Donnabhair * Jason Cohen of Incus * Karen Berggren * Morwen >Two Feathers * Kristopher Setchfield * David Hero > >Expect beautiful lighting, sacred altar installations, and more, >crafted by Shakti Rowan. >Sacred Video art created by Dr. T, http://www.foryourhead.com > >Come decorated to dance, celebrate, and groove in sacred space, with >new and old friends alike. Face paint and festive attire encouraged! > >The Basic Info: Saturday, April 24th >Start Time: 8pm - it goes until 1am at the earliest! Or until we drop! > >17 Spring Street, Watertown Square (Just off of Main Street) - >accessible by bus >$20 at the door $5 will get you a raffle ticket that may win you a >free entry into SpiritFire Festival 2004! >We'll draw the winning ticket midway through the evening. >For more Info: 617-497-0664 or email shaktirowan@aol.com > >This is a Fans With Cans Event. Bring a can of food to donate! -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 20 04:57:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3K8tUb01035; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 04:55:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 04:55:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:55:22 +0200 Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <042020040234.14267.40848C3B000CEE93000037BB2200761438FF919E928C8C908D989190929E@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-20 04.34, "damongrossman@comcast.net" wrote: > Per: > > Can you loop live audio into Ableton Live if you have a computer on stage? > For example, i don't necessarily want to buy an Echoplex. #1 availability > #2price. Definitely! Many musicians do that. I'm using a Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller to record enable tracks in Live and trigger recording as well as trigger loop playback. But you have to get a good soundcard that usually costs as much as the laptop. Here I'm using a RME Multiface that has a little software mixer of its own that lets me split my instrument/mic input in two streams; one going directly to the PA system/amp and one going into the Live software. But you should know that looping live on Live/laptop is not close to the fluent way you get along with an Echoplex. I would say that if you can "play" music with an Echoplex you have to "construct" music in Ableton Live. And you can not overdub into a loop in Live, as you do with an Echoplex. And no reversed audio file playback in Live either (a cool Echoplex feature) Advantages with Live compared to the EDP are that you can run many parallel tracks/loops and easily save a session/gig to the hard drive. If you are running Live in "record mode" not only your on-the-spot played live loops will be recorded but also the "live mixing" aspect of your gig. Like if you do cross fades between groups of tracks/loops or if you enable/mute effects at certain parts of the show. Well, even if you manipulate a loop it will be recorded the way you did it (thinking about stuff like changing the loop length to create poly rhythms or re-pitching loops on the fly). Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 20 07:52:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3KBok825276; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:50:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:50:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c426cd$b8c00680$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: OT: used AKG C1000s for sale in the bay area Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 04:50:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For you looping percussionists out there, there is a pair of the fabulous AKG C1000s condenser microphones for sale used on CraigsList in the bay area for $200/pair. You just can't beat that price. List percussionists Jon Wagner and I both use these great mics These mics changed my performing life as a percussionist. Armed with the plastic focusers that make the mics have a hyper, hyper cartoid pattern they sound like a great condenser studio microphone but really reject feedback well at fairly high volumes. If you got the dough and want to step up to pro.......................don't hesitate, buy them both today. here's the addy anon-29193058@craigslist.org Mon Apr 19th yours, Rick ps I don't have the foggiest notion who is selling these puppies, I just think they rock and own two myself. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 20 09:09:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3KD6KS06470; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:06:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:06:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Adrenalinn Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:06:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2004 13:06:14.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[426C6D10:01C426D8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all. I have just had the fortune to play on an adrenalinn in Sound Control here in the UK. it totally blew me away with its Midi Synch to an EDP potential. I am just writeing to the list, and the UK members in paticular, to see if anyone has one for sale or knows of anywhere where you can get a good deal on one. Cheers Phill _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 20 10:15:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3KEB3D14744; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:11:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:11:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <879D8B24-92D4-11D8-8CD1-000393B560D0@petebrunelli.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "auctions at petebrunelli.com" Subject: My EDP+ on the block Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:10:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <7544YB.A.RmD.39ShAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm an on and off LD subscriber/lurker, and after all of the great info I've gleaned from LD I think it is OK that I alert you to the fact that my EDP+ is currently up at auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3719242665 Drop me an email if you have any questions. pete at petebrunelli.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 20 13:07:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3KGnfw03686; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:49:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:49:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: dobbs.ucs.umbc.edu: randy owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:49:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Randy Philipp X-X-Sender: randy@dobbs.ucs.umbc.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Status of Gibson and Echoplex Digital Pro Plus Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-AvMilter-Key: 1082480075:ffe6c8ede0575f2e975722b2deb04723 X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was curious if anyone has heard anything about the current situation between Oberheim and Gibson. I have had an Echoplex on order for several months, and I am wondering if I should even consider the possibility that I might receive it. Randy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 20 17:01:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3KKu0U12751; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:56:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:56:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c42719$f1169070$6400a8c0@toshi> From: "CM" To: References: Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:52:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Disposition-Notification-To: "CM" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I currently use Ableton Live, but not for real-time-recorded / live looping (just haven't got there yet, mostly (I'm relatively new to Ableton -- used to be a Fruityloops guy, until I found Ableton...A is for AMAZING. Anyway, I also think my soundcard MAY be too slow (it's an older ECHO Gina 2-in, 6-out.... any opinions on that?). Anyway, for live looping, I sync'd Ableton as a clock master to my Repeater (which I love), and we've been having a great time together, along w/the mixer, effects gear, etc.... My question is this: Anyone have any opinions on the the Ableton-as-a-looper setup vs. Ableton+Repeater-as-a-looper? I understand the layering / overdubbing "plus" of the Repeater vs. the single-pass recording on Live, and the multiple-tracks-in-parallel "plus" of Abletonn; but are their any other pros / cons to consider? I'm having a great time in "live looping land" these days -- which, in many respects, is new territory for me. Thanks to all who post here; I'm soakin it up like a sponge. : ) Cass ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 1:55 AM Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson > On 04-04-20 04.34, "damongrossman@comcast.net" > wrote: > > > Per: > > > > Can you loop live audio into Ableton Live if you have a computer on stage? > > For example, i don't necessarily want to buy an Echoplex. #1 availability > > #2price. > > > Definitely! Many musicians do that. I'm using a Behringer FCB1010 midi foot > controller to record enable tracks in Live and trigger recording as well as > trigger loop playback. But you have to get a good soundcard that usually > costs as much as the laptop. Here I'm using a RME Multiface that has a > little software mixer of its own that lets me split my instrument/mic input > in two streams; one going directly to the PA system/amp and one going into > the Live software. > > But you should know that looping live on Live/laptop is not close to the > fluent way you get along with an Echoplex. I would say that if you can > "play" music with an Echoplex you have to "construct" music in Ableton Live. > And you can not overdub into a loop in Live, as you do with an Echoplex. And > no reversed audio file playback in Live either (a cool Echoplex feature) > > Advantages with Live compared to the EDP are that you can run many parallel > tracks/loops and easily save a session/gig to the hard drive. If you are > running Live in "record mode" not only your on-the-spot played live loops > will be recorded but also the "live mixing" aspect of your gig. Like if you > do cross fades between groups of tracks/loops or if you enable/mute effects > at certain parts of the show. Well, even if you manipulate a loop it will be > recorded the way you did it (thinking about stuff like changing the loop > length to create poly rhythms or re-pitching loops on the fly). > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > -- > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 20 17:49:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3KLi3C20486; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:44:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:44:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <408599A2.8090201@bagend.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:44:02 -0500 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #145 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <630Mc.A.6_E.jmZhAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This describes what I'm doing with Seven League Boots exactly. I have the solo buss (the headphone out) of our mixing board feed the front panel input of the Repeater. I just have to select inputs to solo and loop 'em. It bestows a kind of dreamy deja vu feeling to our improvised sections. I just put my bass down so I can have all hands on the Repeater and Filter Queen. henry matt davignon wrote: > "real-time sampling" is more interactive - the musician is manipulating > the samples just as much (if not more than) his instrument. He feeds > sounds into his devices, than manipulates the devices. About half of the > "real-time samplers" I know (Scott Looney, Bob Boster, Thomas Dimuzio on > occasion, Lance Grabmiller) don't even use a real instrument while > playing. They sample the other musicians on stage and spit that out > processed versions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 20 18:03:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3KLxN023334; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:59:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:59:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:59:16 +0200 Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005b01c42719$f1169070$6400a8c0@toshi> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0ugOVC.A.dsF.70ZhAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-20 22.52, "CM" wrote: > I understand the layering / > overdubbing "plus" of the Repeater vs. the single-pass recording on Live, > and the multiple-tracks-in-parallel "plus" of Abletonn; but are their any > other pros / cons to consider? The Repeater is discontinued while Live keeps improving with every update. At the moment Live is running much more CPU efficient on a windows machine than on a Mac. This is supposed to change though, as Ableton is now optimizing the code for Macintosh Altivec routines. Another important difference is storage capacity. With the Repeater you can reverse audio files, which Live can not yet do. The Repeater will let you manipulate pitch by external midi (for example by using an expression pedal) and this is not yet implemented into Live. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 20 18:10:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3KM1cv23730; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:01:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:01:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.19.115.179] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewf5@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Wiley" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB 1010 Midi Controller FS Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:01:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2004 22:01:32.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A504D70:01C42723] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a new in box Behringer FCB 1010 Midi controller For Sale w/a electroharmonix pedal bag it fits snuggly into for $115 shipped.......... the original buyer fell through i guess....never heard back from him. thanks -matt _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 20 19:17:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3KNF4103526; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:15:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:15:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:18:55 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: RE: OT OT !! inuit throat singers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4085AFDF.10708@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there was a throat singing ensemble featured recently on cbc's zed program. http://zed.cbc.ca/go.ZeD?CONTENT_ID=97621&FILTER_KEY=31569&pos=7&page=content as well here's another performer that i discovered while searching for the 1st link: http://zed.cbc.ca/go.ZeD?CONTENT_ID=33958&page=content i didn't see any artist contact info. maybe i missed it ot maybe you can get it through the zed correspondents. good luck, shayne > > Hello Loopers, > > This is OT, but since so many of you are cutting edge avant-garde > musicians, I thought I'd see if any one knew anyone in the Northeast > US area that knows how to do INUIT THROAT SINGING. > > I'm working on a project now, called ARCTIC REQUIEM > (http://www.ritsu.com/arctic.html) and have gotten clearance to use a > loop of Inuit throat singers, but I think it would be even better if > it were performed LIVE. The shows are currently booked for April 26 > in Ithaca, then June 12 at Vassar College and June 21 at Museum of > Modern Art (at NYC Symphony Space). We'll use the loops for next > week's show, but I was hoping that by June I can find live performers > for the June shows. We've contacted one throat singing duo, but > they're in Nunovet, and we can't afford to fly them down for the gigs. > > Thanks in advance-- suggestions? comments? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 20 21:19:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3L1EsQ23955; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:14:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:14:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040421011452.31195.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:14:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: MOTU 828MkII as a Poor Man's Switchblade? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005b01c42719$f1169070$6400a8c0@toshi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <32d3fC.A.M2F.OschAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a a couple of synths plus a viola that I would like to run through audio looper pedals. Right now the only looper pedal I have is my DL4. I have an EH16 Reissue on preorder, which would add a 2nd looper. Here's the thing - I'd like to be able to loop my 2 synths and viola through these 2 pedals, plus a Nord Micromodular which I will be using primarily for audio processing. Sometimes I want to have one synth running on a sequencer and not loop the audio and loop the viola. Sometimes I want to not loop the viola and loop the synth. Sometimes I want to loop all of them at once. The Switchblade looks like a nice solution except there's no Mac editor and besides looks like it might be overkill. Does the MOTU 828MkII have the functionality I'm looking for? Thanks, Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 20 22:17:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3L2G1t03517; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:16:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:16:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b301c42757$cc7cb760$6700a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20040421011452.31195.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MOTU 828MkII as a Poor Man's Switchblade? Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:19:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <5tZJSD.A.12.hldhAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The 828mkII has four busses. You can route the four busses independently to any of the outputs on the back of the thing: ten balanced 1/4" analog outs and digital out. For each bus you can set the levels of each of the input channels: eight balanced 1/4" analog ins, two pre-amped ins on the front, and digital in (?). All four busses can be active at the same time, or muted individually. Although the muting process involves a knob twiddle and push. So, you could set up two different busses to say, outputs 3-4 where your looper is attached, and have certain input channels muted for different busses. So, Mix 2 sends all inputs to outputs 3-4; where Mix 3 sends only analog inputs 1-2 and 5-6 to outputs 3-4 and everything else is muted. Mix 1 is pointed at outputs 1-2 which is sending everything to the house PA or DAW, so the "audience" hears everything all the time even if your looper only hears what you're sending it on Mix (bus) 3, or 4. You could toggle between these mixes by muting them on the faceplate of the 828mkII. There's no MIDI implementation for manipulating mix presets at all yet, unfortunately. Although it seems like something that wouldn't be that hard for them to add in as a software update. Buy one and bug MOTU. Good luck. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:14 PM Subject: MOTU 828MkII as a Poor Man's Switchblade? I have a a couple of synths plus a viola that I would like to run through audio looper pedals. Right now the only looper pedal I have is my DL4. I have an EH16 Reissue on preorder, which would add a 2nd looper. Here's the thing - I'd like to be able to loop my 2 synths and viola through these 2 pedals, plus a Nord Micromodular which I will be using primarily for audio processing. Sometimes I want to have one synth running on a sequencer and not loop the audio and loop the viola. Sometimes I want to not loop the viola and loop the synth. Sometimes I want to loop all of them at once. The Switchblade looks like a nice solution except there's no Mac editor and besides looks like it might be overkill. Does the MOTU 828MkII have the functionality I'm looking for? Thanks, Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 20 22:22:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3L2LMV04402; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.142.107] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danioore@hotmail.com From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: problem edp- next- copy sound Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:21:15 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2004 02:21:16.0162 (UTC) FILETIME=[52FBEE20:01C42747] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com edp Problem: to copy loop1 into loop2, i press NEXT with copy-sound on, then i press MULTIPLY to end the copying. but i frequently get an annoying static pop at the end of the copied loop. it seems as though sometimes if i press multiply right before the new loop completes the first pass, the pop is quieter or maybe not there at all. how can i copy loops without any static pops etc.. --and why is it happening?! practising at home i can deal w/ it, but i cant be redoing loop passes on stage. dani _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 00:49:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3L4lgi01727; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:47:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:47:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040421044741.81187.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:47:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: MOTU 828MkII as a Poor Man's Switchblade? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b301c42757$cc7cb760$6700a8c0@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the detailed response, Jesse! From what you say, it sounds like the 828MkII can do the job for me. Most likely, I would be looping just my two Nord synths (the Micromodular acting as a processor for my viola). The third synth (Emu XL-7) has its own MIDI looping capability, among other things, so I probably won't be looping its audio as much. How many Mixes can I set up to toggle? Even just the hypothetical 3 you mention may be enough for me. Lack of MIDI for toggling between Mixes and muting is not a concern for me. Andreas Tillander did fine using an Akai MPC 1000 for sequencing and a DL4 to loop his melodica and assorted gizmos without any notion of syncing the looper to the MPC - I'd be doing something similar with my viola/Micromodular. Greetings, Paolo --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > The 828mkII has four busses. You can route the four > busses independently to > any of the outputs on the back of the thing: ten > balanced 1/4" analog outs > and digital out. For each bus you can set the > levels of each of the input > channels: eight balanced 1/4" analog ins, two > pre-amped ins on the front, > and digital in (?). > > All four busses can be active at the same time, or > muted individually. > Although the muting process involves a knob twiddle > and push. > > So, you could set up two different busses to say, > outputs 3-4 where your > looper is attached, and have certain input channels > muted for different > busses. So, Mix 2 sends all inputs to outputs 3-4; > where Mix 3 sends only > analog inputs 1-2 and 5-6 to outputs 3-4 and > everything else is muted. Mix > 1 is pointed at outputs 1-2 which is sending > everything to the house PA or > DAW, so the "audience" hears everything all the time > even if your looper > only hears what you're sending it on Mix (bus) 3, or > 4. > > You could toggle between these mixes by muting them > on the faceplate of the > 828mkII. There's no MIDI implementation for > manipulating mix presets at all > yet, unfortunately. Although it seems like > something that wouldn't be that > hard for them to add in as a software update. Buy > one and bug MOTU. > > Good luck. > > -J > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paolo Valladolid" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:14 PM > Subject: MOTU 828MkII as a Poor Man's Switchblade? > > > I have a a couple of synths plus a viola that I > would > like to run through audio looper pedals. Right now > the only looper pedal I have is my DL4. I have an > EH16 Reissue on preorder, which would add a 2nd > looper. > > Here's the thing - I'd like to be able to loop my 2 > synths and viola through these 2 pedals, plus a Nord > Micromodular which I will be using primarily for > audio > processing. Sometimes I want to have one synth > running on a sequencer and not loop the audio and > loop > the viola. Sometimes I want to not loop the viola > and loop the synth. Sometimes I want to loop all of > them at once. > > The Switchblade looks like a nice solution except > there's no Mac editor and besides looks like it > might > be overkill. Does the MOTU 828MkII have the > functionality I'm looking for? > > Thanks, > Paolo > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for > 25� > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 01:27:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3L5P8f08476; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:25:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:25:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:25:04 -0400 Subject: The name game From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3165355505_6418889" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3165355505_6418889 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Chiming in a bit late on this genre/naming/branding thread, but have been very busy with work, etc. (The Chris Cutler show on Saturday was a trip=8B severe PA troubles put Chris in a black space, but we still had some interesting moments. Anyone who=B9s curious about the full story can write me offline.)=20 Not to beat a dead horse, but as a copywriter I find this branding discussion very interesting. I was thinking about other existing genre names: Electroclash, hardcore, UK Garage, drum & bass, trance, acid rock, hard bop, straight ahead, hip hop, trip hop, IDM, downtempo, grunge, country, Appalaichan folk, blues, garage rock, heavy metal, classical, modern classical, improvised, experimental, music concrete, etc. etc. . . . The commonality is they=B9re all either descriptive, onomatopaieic (sp?), poetic, or fanciful. None of them specify how the music is made. The thing I=B9m taking away from reading everyone=B9s posts on the naming/branding topic is that there is a desire/attempt to genre-ize what are really many disparate styles of music that share only the similarity of being made using looping devices. I know other people have said this as well-- isn=B9t trying to group all loop-based music together kind of like trying to say all music recorded using overdubs is X style, or all music performced on laptops is Y style? Yet, there is perhaps a commonality in spirit among people using loopers to explore what they can do on their instruments. The looping devices I think are more than a fuzz box or wah, because they almost interact with us when we play. Using a looper is almost like having extra hands, or an extra body and mind=8B it lets you widen yourself sonically. So perhaps the link being sought is not one of musical style, and not one o= f gear box, but one of spirit. What is it we are really doing? Why does this matter to us? Anyway, I have to go to sleep (going on holiday tomorrow for a few days), and my goal is not to come up with an answer right now but just to further the discussion. love, ghost 7 --=20 ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 d.ans@rcn.com --B_3165355505_6418889 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The name game Chiming in a bit late on this genre/naming/branding th= read, but have been very busy with work, etc. (The Chris Cutler show on Satu= rday was a trip— severe PA troubles put Chris in a black space, but we= still had some interesting moments. Anyone who’s curious about the fu= ll story can write me offline.)

Not to beat a dead horse, but as a copywriter I find this branding discussi= on very interesting.

I was thinking about other existing genre names: Electroclash, hardcore, UK= Garage, drum & bass, trance, acid rock, hard bop, straight ahead, hip h= op, trip hop, IDM, downtempo, grunge, country, Appalaichan folk, blues, gara= ge rock, heavy metal, classical, modern classical, improvised, experimental,= music concrete, etc. etc. . . .

The commonality is they’re all either descriptive, onomatopaieic (sp?= ), poetic, or fanciful. None of them specify how the music is made.

The thing I’m taking away from reading everyone’s posts on the = naming/branding topic is that there is a desire/attempt to genre-ize what ar= e really many disparate styles of music that share only the similarity of be= ing made using looping devices. I know other people have said this as well--= isn’t trying to group all loop-based music together kind of like tryi= ng to say all music recorded using overdubs is X style, or all music perform= ced on laptops is Y style?


Yet, there is perhaps a commonality in spirit among people using loopers to= explore what they can do on their instruments. The looping devices I think = are more than a fuzz box or wah, because they almost interact with us when w= e play. Using a looper is almost like having extra hands, or an extra body a= nd mind— it lets you widen yourself sonically.

So perhaps the link being sought is not one of musical style, and not one o= f gear box, but one of spirit.
What is it we are really doing? Why does this matter to us?


Anyway, I have to go to sleep (going on holiday tomorrow for a few days), a= nd my goal is not to come up with an answer right now but just to further th= e discussion.


love,

ghost 7


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 --B_3165355505_6418889-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 02:21:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3L6Hud18487; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:17:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:17:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Looper Delight List" Subject: RE: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:22:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 In-Reply-To: X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.29.126] at Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:17:55 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Another important difference is storage capacity. With the >Repeater you can >reverse audio files, which Live can not yet do. The Repeater >will let you >manipulate pitch by external midi (for example by using an >expression pedal) >and this is not yet implemented into Live. Actually, keep scrolling down on the link from my previous post... http://bram.smartelectronix.com/ There's a lo-fi pitch shifter there, MadShifta, that has midi control over pitch shifting...gonna check this one out! Cheers, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 02:21:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3L6I6R18541; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:18:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:18:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Looper Delight List" Subject: RE: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:22:45 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 In-Reply-To: X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.163.29.126] at Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:18:05 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] >Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:59 PM >To: Loopers >Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson > > >On 04-04-20 22.52, "CM" wrote: > >> I understand the layering / >> overdubbing "plus" of the Repeater vs. the single-pass >recording on Live, >> and the multiple-tracks-in-parallel "plus" of Abletonn; but >are their any >> other pros / cons to consider? > > >The Repeater is discontinued while Live keeps improving with >every update. >At the moment Live is running much more CPU efficient on a >windows machine >than on a Mac. This is supposed to change though, as Ableton is now >optimizing the code for Macintosh Altivec routines. > >Another important difference is storage capacity. With the >Repeater you can >reverse audio files, which Live can not yet do. The Repeater >will let you >manipulate pitch by external midi (for example by using an >expression pedal) >and this is not yet implemented into Live. There's a cool VST plug-in effect that works with Live: SupaTrigga (I think maybe I heard about it on this list, actually?). http://bram.smartelectronix.com/ (scroll down). It allows you to slice up a sample into a number of slices (or just 1 big slice) and do stuff like reverse the slices, or skip them arbitrarily, or slow them down. Good fun. It's been a little bit since I looked at it, but I'm pretty sure it can be setup to consistently reverse a sample. Since it's VST, its params can be controlled by midi controllers via Live. I'd like to see Live allow its sample parameters to be assigned to midi controllers, so things like pitch manipulation would be possible with a controller. Although maybe there's a VST plug that can be used to do that already? Cheers, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 02:27:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3L6ORM20289; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:24:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:24:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c42769$aa540960$c594a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: The name game Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:27:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C42748.229A90A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.148.197] at Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:24:24 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C42748.229A90A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The name gameDan - I agree with the spirit of what you are getting at. = So if what you're pointing us towards is correct then every rule needs = an exception, and perhaps the Jimi Hendrix' interaction with his wah-wah = would be an example of an exception. Or maybe most wah-wah players are = not very good at using the device. :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Soltzberg=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:25 AM Subject: The name game Chiming in a bit late on this genre/naming/branding thread, but have = been very busy with work, etc. (The Chris Cutler show on Saturday was a = trip- severe PA troubles put Chris in a black space, but we still had = some interesting moments. Anyone who's curious about the full story can = write me offline.)=20 Not to beat a dead horse, but as a copywriter I find this branding = discussion very interesting. I was thinking about other existing genre names: Electroclash, = hardcore, UK Garage, drum & bass, trance, acid rock, hard bop, straight = ahead, hip hop, trip hop, IDM, downtempo, grunge, country, Appalaichan = folk, blues, garage rock, heavy metal, classical, modern classical, = improvised, experimental, music concrete, etc. etc. . . .=20 The commonality is they're all either descriptive, onomatopaieic = (sp?), poetic, or fanciful. None of them specify how the music is made.=20 The thing I'm taking away from reading everyone's posts on the = naming/branding topic is that there is a desire/attempt to genre-ize = what are really many disparate styles of music that share only the = similarity of being made using looping devices. I know other people have = said this as well-- isn't trying to group all loop-based music together = kind of like trying to say all music recorded using overdubs is X style, = or all music performced on laptops is Y style? Yet, there is perhaps a commonality in spirit among people using = loopers to explore what they can do on their instruments. The looping = devices I think are more than a fuzz box or wah, because they almost = interact with us when we play. Using a looper is almost like having = extra hands, or an extra body and mind- it lets you widen yourself = sonically.=20 So perhaps the link being sought is not one of musical style, and not = one of gear box, but one of spirit. What is it we are really doing? Why does this matter to us?=20 Anyway, I have to go to sleep (going on holiday tomorrow for a few = days), and my goal is not to come up with an answer right now but just = to further the discussion. love, ghost 7 --=20 ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 d.ans@rcn.com ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C42748.229A90A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The name game
Dan - I agree with the spirit of what = you are=20 getting at.  So if what you're pointing us towards is correct then = every=20 rule needs an exception, and perhaps the Jimi Hendrix' interaction with = his=20 wah-wah would be an example of an exception.  Or maybe most wah-wah = players=20 are not very good at using the device. :-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan = Soltzberg
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 = 1:25=20 AM
Subject: The name game

Chiming in a=20 bit late on this genre/naming/branding thread, but have been very busy = with=20 work, etc. (The Chris Cutler show on Saturday was a trip=97 severe PA = troubles=20 put Chris in a black space, but we still had some interesting moments. = Anyone=20 who=92s curious about the full story can write me offline.) =

Not to beat=20 a dead horse, but as a copywriter I find this branding discussion very = interesting.

I was thinking about other existing genre names:=20 Electroclash, hardcore, UK Garage, drum & bass, trance, acid rock, = hard=20 bop, straight ahead, hip hop, trip hop, IDM, downtempo, grunge, = country,=20 Appalaichan folk, blues, garage rock, heavy metal, classical, modern=20 classical, improvised, experimental, music concrete, etc. etc. . . .=20

The commonality is they=92re all either descriptive, = onomatopaieic=20 (sp?), poetic, or fanciful. None of them specify how the music is = made.=20

The thing I=92m taking away from reading everyone=92s posts on = the=20 naming/branding topic is that there is a desire/attempt to genre-ize = what are=20 really many disparate styles of music that share only the similarity = of being=20 made using looping devices. I know other people have said this as = well-- isn=92t=20 trying to group all loop-based music together kind of like trying to = say all=20 music recorded using overdubs is X style, or all music performced on = laptops=20 is Y style?


Yet, there is perhaps a commonality in spirit = among=20 people using loopers to explore what they can do on their instruments. = The=20 looping devices I think are more than a fuzz box or wah, because they = almost=20 interact with us when we play. Using a looper is almost like having = extra=20 hands, or an extra body and mind=97 it lets you widen yourself = sonically.=20

So perhaps the link being sought is not one of musical style, = and not=20 one of gear box, but one of spirit.
What is it we are really doing? = Why=20 does this matter to us?


Anyway, I have to go to sleep = (going on=20 holiday tomorrow for a few days), and my goal is not to come up with = an answer=20 right now but just to further the = discussion.


love,

ghost=20 7


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 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C42748.229A90A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 08:02:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LBsKX13848; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:54:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:54:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: flirts@mail1.wn.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:55:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jon Arterton Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If you're quantizing, you can push NextLoop and Multiply before the >first loop ends - this copies everything into the next loop (and >leaves you in multiply). This has been very useful for me.... Jon >edp Problem: > >to copy loop1 into loop2, i press NEXT with copy-sound on, then i >press MULTIPLY to end the copying. but i frequently get an annoying >static pop at the end of the copied loop. it seems as though >sometimes if i press multiply right before the new loop completes >the first pass, the pop is quieter or maybe not there at all. how >can i copy loops without any static pops etc.. --and why is it >happening?! > >practising at home i can deal w/ it, but i cant be redoing loop >passes on stage. > >dani > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 09:48:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LDhfI31495; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:43:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:43:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.185.238] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danioore@hotmail.com From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:43:34 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2004 13:43:35.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4935570:01C427A6] Resent-Message-ID: <0bMNtB.A.AsH.NqnhAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, thats what i am doing -and it still leaves a pop at the end. d >From: Jon Arterton >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:55:48 -0400 > >>If you're quantizing, you can push NextLoop and Multiply before the first >>loop ends - this copies everything into the next loop (and leaves you in >>multiply). This has been very useful for me.... > >Jon > >>edp Problem: >> >>to copy loop1 into loop2, i press NEXT with copy-sound on, then i press >>MULTIPLY to end the copying. but i frequently get an annoying static pop >>at the end of the copied loop. it seems as though sometimes if i press >>multiply right before the new loop completes the first pass, the pop is >>quieter or maybe not there at all. how can i copy loops without any >>static pops etc.. --and why is it happening?! >> >>practising at home i can deal w/ it, but i cant be redoing loop passes on >>stage. >> >>dani >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* >>http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 10:12:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LE5aK04723; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:05:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:05:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ad01c427a9$5fa9db20$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> From: "Tias" To: References: Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:03:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2004 14:03:12.0783 (UTC) FILETIME=[627249F0:01C427A9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm.. Copied directly from ableton.com new Live 3 features: "Launch loops, phrases, or complete songs in real-time, using the mouse, the computer keys or a MIDI keyboard, and Live keeps everything in sync. You can even play song phrases chromatically across the MIDI keyboard without losing sync!" Uhm, doesn't that mean changing pitch from a keyboard or other mididevice that send note-data without loosing sync? /Tias ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:59 PM Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson > reverse audio files, which Live can not yet do. The Repeater will let you > manipulate pitch by external midi (for example by using an expression pedal) > and this is not yet implemented into Live. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 10:28:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LELXg08705; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:21:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:21:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:20:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2004 14:20:11.0257 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1811690:01C427AB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you have/or know anyone who you can borrow from, a Midi controller or another EDP footswitch, if you are having popping noises, it is usually due to bad earthing/grounding /bad switches and so on. it would be useful to test your unit with a different board to see if it still happens (in fact have you tried just using the front panel in a test) failing that I guess there would be ne harm in recommending the usual re-seat the chips solution that has cleaned up much of my edps wobbly beheviour in the part (go careful though) Phill Wilson >From: "Dani Oore" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:43:34 -0300 > > > >yes, thats what i am doing -and it still leaves a pop at the end. > >d > > > >>From: Jon Arterton >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound >>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:55:48 -0400 >> >>>If you're quantizing, you can push NextLoop and Multiply before the first >>>loop ends - this copies everything into the next loop (and leaves you in >>>multiply). This has been very useful for me.... >> >>Jon >> >>>edp Problem: >>> >>>to copy loop1 into loop2, i press NEXT with copy-sound on, then i press >>>MULTIPLY to end the copying. but i frequently get an annoying static pop >>>at the end of the copied loop. it seems as though sometimes if i press >>>multiply right before the new loop completes the first pass, the pop is >>>quieter or maybe not there at all. how can i copy loops without any >>>static pops etc.. --and why is it happening?! >>> >>>practising at home i can deal w/ it, but i cant be redoing loop passes on >>>stage. >>> >>>dani >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* >>>http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 11:20:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LFFFV19779; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:15:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:15:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:15:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C42778.C12C20F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQnqhMBea8KTYJbQqWQCLZ0jX1m4QACNYPw In-Reply-To: <00ad01c427a9$5fa9db20$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040421151505.QQRI14862.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <6MkMqC.A.50E.DAphAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C42778.C12C20F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know enough about the technical aspects to comment, but you can download the manual here (there's a whole section on midi implementation). http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=literature or the software and the manual here, if you want http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=downloads Tom -----Original Message----- From: Tias [mailto:tias@condomo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson Hmm.. Copied directly from ableton.com new Live 3 features: "Launch loops, phrases, or complete songs in real-time, using the mouse, the computer keys or a MIDI keyboard, and Live keeps everything in sync. You can even play song phrases chromatically across the MIDI keyboard without losing sync!" Uhm, doesn't that mean changing pitch from a keyboard or other mididevice that send note-data without loosing sync? /Tias ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:59 PM Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson > reverse audio files, which Live can not yet do. The Repeater will let you > manipulate pitch by external midi (for example by using an expression pedal) > and this is not yet implemented into Live. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C42778.C12C20F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don’t know enough about the technical aspects to = comment, but you can download the manual here (there’s a whole section on midi implementation).

 

http://www.ab= leton.com/index.php?main=3Dliterature

 

 

or the software and the manual here, if you = want

 

http://www.abl= eton.com/index.php?main=3Ddownloads

 

 

Tom

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tias [mailto:tias@condomo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:03 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson

 

Hmm..

 

Copied directly from ableton.com new Live 3 = features:

 

"Launch loops, phrases, or complete songs in real-time, = using the mouse, the

computer keys or a MIDI = keyboard, and Live keeps everything in sync. You can

even play song phrases chromatically across the MIDI keyboard without losing

sync!"

 

Uhm, doesn't that mean changing pitch from a keyboard or other mididevice

that send note-data without loosing = sync?

 

/Tias

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Per Boysen" = <per@boysen.se>

To: "Loopers" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=

Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:59 = PM

Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per = Boyson

 

 

> reverse audio files, which Live can not yet do. The = Repeater will let you

> manipulate pitch by external midi (for example by using an expression

pedal)

> and this is not yet implemented into = Live.

 

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C42778.C12C20F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 11:56:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LFpnX27927; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:51:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:51:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:51:40 +0200 Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ad01c427a9$5fa9db20$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9yXzCC.A.P0G.ViphAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-21 16.03, "Tias" wrote: > Hmm.. > > Copied directly from ableton.com new Live 3 features: > > "Launch loops, phrases, or complete songs in real-time, using the mouse, the > computer keys or a MIDI keyboard, and Live keeps everything in sync. You can > even play song phrases chromatically across the MIDI keyboard without losing > sync!" > > Uhm, doesn't that mean changing pitch from a keyboard or other mididevice > that send note-data without loosing sync? > > /Tias No. Sample level parameters can only be changed by using the mouse. The midi/key learn function is only available for session and arrange level parameters. Hope this will change! Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 12:01:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LFupO29174; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:56:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:56:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:56:45 +0200 Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On 04-04-21 16.03, "Tias" wrote: > You can >> even play song phrases chromatically across the MIDI keyboard without losing >> sync!" This is obviously about the legato function that came with version 3. Not about changing the pitch of a loop. If you fill up a track with many clips in legato mode you can play them from a keyboard by midi just like a sampler patch. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 13:09:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LH4uJ12776; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:04:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:04:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Looper Delight List" Subject: RE: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:09:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 In-Reply-To: <00ad01c427a9$5fa9db20$d000a8c0@stockholm.escapi.com> Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.26.63] at Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:04:54 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hmm.. > >Copied directly from ableton.com new Live 3 features: > >"Launch loops, phrases, or complete songs in real-time, using >the mouse, the >computer keys or a MIDI keyboard, and Live keeps everything in >sync. You can >even play song phrases chromatically across the MIDI keyboard >without losing >sync!" > >Uhm, doesn't that mean changing pitch from a keyboard or other >mididevice >that send note-data without loosing sync? Yeah, that seems like a good workaround! If the clip launch were set with no quantization and with legato trigger type, shouldn't it change pitch chromatically with smooth (ie uninterrupted - legato) timing in response to the notes? Only drawback is that you can only set the chromatic range in one direction, ie you define the root note and then press the end-of-range note on the keyboard, so you can go either up or down, but not both. The other problem with all this is assigning the midi controller. You'd have to manually assign the controller or the chromatic transposition range *after* you record the clip, or drop the new clip into a pre-existing clip with the settings you want to adopt its properties. Cheers, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 14:11:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LI05o25917; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:00:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:00:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c427db$af2eaf90$6700a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20040421044741.81187.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MOTU 828MkII as a Poor Man's Switchblade? Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:03:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You've got four busses, and four mixes. Each mix can go to a different output, or not. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:47 PM Subject: Re: MOTU 828MkII as a Poor Man's Switchblade? How many Mixes can I set up to toggle? Even just the hypothetical 3 you mention may be enough for me. Greetings, Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 15:14:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LJBUg09822; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:11:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:11:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c427d5$12f88250$0200a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:15:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry Per, but i humbly withhold that you are wrong at this point since i've seen it done in the Live 3 video-demo. I read through the manual and checked the part about legato. Lagato does to the samples just what legato means. i.e. it enables one sample to start from the point where the last sample in the same track ended. That is if a sample has played 50% through its full length then the next sample triggered starts 50% into it's own length. Let's say that you want any sample recorded on track 1 to be pitchable from the keyboard. Here's what you do: 1) Turn on Midi-learn 2) Select the "Track Launch"-button for track 1 (so that you can start or stop any sampleslot in track one) 3) Press one key on your keyboard AND while still having that key pressed, press another key. For example: C-1 and C-2 4) Get out of Midi-learn 5) Start any sample in track one 6) Press any key within the C-1 and C-2 range. Result: The key C-1 is the base-pitch that the sample was set to and the rest of the keys are pitches chromaticly upwards. You can confirm this visually by looking at the Transpose-knob while changing pitch with the keyboard. You will see the automation (orange stripe on the Transpose-knob) moving to the pitch-changes. Pros: You can change pitch of the sample with a keyboard or any other mididevice that sends midi-note events. Cons: As Michael Stauffer noted you can only change the Pitch either Upwards OR Downwards from the base-transpose. Also, the pitchchanges are tied to the re-trigg quantize of the sample and song meaning that you have to change quantize of the sample AND turn on Legato for the sample so it doesn't re-start every time you change pitch. Anyway, the function is there, it's not just as obvious and simple as one would expect it to be. Ableton is on the right track function-wise but they definitly needs to put some more of that live-magic onto the usability of the function. ;) /Tias ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson > This is obviously about the legato function that came with version 3. Not > about changing the pitch of a loop. > > If you fill up a track with many clips in legato mode you can play them from > a keyboard by midi just like a sampler patch. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 15:25:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LJMCM12304; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:22:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:22:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c427d6$942bce80$0200a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <007601c427d5$12f88250$0200a8c0@waggy> Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:26:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0tGYGB.A.FAD.knshAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wrote: > Cons: As Michael Stauffer noted you can only change the Pitch either Upwards > OR Downwards from the base-transpose. I have to correct myself and claim that it was kind of stupid of me not to try 3 keys!!!! C-1 and C-2 and C-3 Result: C-2 is Base-transpose and C-1 is transpose one octave Down and C-3 is transpose one octave Up!!!! Woho! So there you go! Repeater functionality in Ableton. Loooovely! :) /Tias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 15:32:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LJR5R13256; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:27:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:27:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Ableton Live demo Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:26:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcQnqhMBea8KTYJbQqWQCLZ0jX1m4QACNYPwAAjiscA= In-Reply-To: <20040421151505.QQRI14862.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> Message-Id: <20040421192657.EGWG11363.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the functionality of the Live demo--what is left out? Thanks, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 15:42:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LJXaK14867; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:33:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:33:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c427d8$2b65d650$0200a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <20040421192657.EGWG11363.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Ableton Live demo Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:38:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's fully functional except Save-function. /Tias ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:26 PM Subject: Ableton Live demo > What is the functionality of the Live demo--what is left out? > Thanks, > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 15:46:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LJfbZ16543; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:41:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:41:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:41:25 -0700 Subject: Re: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008801c427d6$942bce80$0200a8c0@waggy> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just tried this, and it does indeed work this way in Live 3.0.4. On Wednesday, April 21, 2004, at 12:26 PM, Tias wrote: > I wrote: >> Cons: As Michael Stauffer noted you can only change the Pitch either > Upwards >> OR Downwards from the base-transpose. > > I have to correct myself and claim that it was kind of stupid of me > not to > try 3 keys!!!! > > C-1 and C-2 and C-3 > > Result: > C-2 is Base-transpose and C-1 is transpose one octave Down and C-3 is > transpose one octave Up!!!! Woho! > > So there you go! Repeater functionality in Ableton. Loooovely! :) > > /Tias > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 17:13:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3LL9SK05156; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:09:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:09:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fa01c427e4$efdc3770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: CHOPITCH and lo fi pitch shifting Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:09:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the tip on the lo fi pitch shifter, Michael! That's a cool plugin from smartelectronix (which is a wonderful website). Have you also tried the really great CHOPITCH vst plugin (octave and down pitch shifting ) that our own Matthias Grob, Andy Butler and several others have developed? www.chopitch.com. I love it. It is awesome for mangling and accurately down pitching loops. It also has a lot of randomization features for reordering the audio information replete with randomization percentage settings on things like pitch, reverse, etc. I'm particularly enamored of programs that allow for randomization in processing, another reason why I am loving FLStudio for loop manipulation. It is particular great for percussion tracks (or at least that is my bias, lol). I'm working on a track for my next abstract electronica CD where I just used cymbal bell sounds that gate each other, run, in real time, through the chopitch with me improvisize with the controls as the loop runs. Everything I did on the rhythm tracks was done in one pass with this cool plugin. I'll post an mp3 of it at audiopluginjunkiesanonymous@yahoogroups.com. It's tentatively titled "Don't want to change my life". which is a little site that I established so people can post mp3s of examples of plugins that we talk about at the Audio Plugin Junkies Anonymous tribe at tribe.net. While I"m mentioning it, there is also a fun Looping tribe called CYCLETRONICA at tribe.net that Mark Sottilaro established. see you there, rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 21:52:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3M1iWZ23066; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:44:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9198864E-93FE-11D8-8CD1-000393B560D0@petebrunelli.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Pete Brunelli Subject: EDP Sold Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:44:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Again, Thanks for the queries. I sold the unit. I'm gonna lurk some more on LD, though. Thanks for keeping a good resource going. Pete From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 22:00:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3M1w5v26000; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:58:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:58:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7AC3486E-9400-11D8-8CD1-000393B560D0@petebrunelli.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Pete Brunelli Subject: EDP Reflections... Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:57:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did a lot of thinking before deciding to let go of my EDP. My first modern looper was a DL4. Once I figured that out I wanted more and bought a 'rang. That was nice but I wanted more features and better sound. So the EDP was there for the purchasing so I dove in. The EDP is so nicely implemented, and the audio is amazing. I do a lot of work directly into headphones and the sound of the EDP never let me down... maybe I mean the lack of a sound because it is very transparent. If you read my auction listing I touched on a few opinions I have of the EDP. But what really stands out to me is that there isn't a scaled down version available. I can see a real niche for a box with maybe 60 seconds of loop time, multiply, undo, reverse, and maybe the option to have a second loop. As much capability as it has, I would have been happy with that as a feature set, built into a stomp box. I'm sure that it comes off as heresy to some, but that would be a really cool device in my book. So, I'm going back to a simple pedal that can be part of my pedalboard, and some time in the near future I will loop the sound of me kicking myself in my own arse for selling my EDP ;) but until then, I really enjoyed the ride. Pete From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 21 22:14:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3M2Abt28425; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:10:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:10:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040422021027.52642.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:10:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Herman Subject: Line 6 DL4 problem To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello--has anyone had a problem with the Line 6 DL4, specifically using an expression pedal? I'm using my Ernie Ball stereo volume/pan pedal and, after a few times switching between the two delay settings, the pedal has no effect. When I switch presets, it works again, but then the same thing happens. The fading also doesn't seem to be consistent, though it's hard to tell. Has anyone else had a similar experience? The only thing I can think of is that the Line 6 pedal is specially designed for the DL4 (and the other pedals in the line). Thanks in advance... ===== Matt Herman funender.com/music/herman __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 03:21:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3M7Id201751; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 03:18:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 03:18:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: what's everybody doing with Ableton Live? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:18:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C427FF.59930E90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <112.314140ec.2db1fcf4@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcQkK9ueQDpqZyM5RUKRlLgAsRnEdAD/+BBA Message-Id: <20040422071831.EMTE13501.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <5fiCTC.A.Mb.PH3hAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C427FF.59930E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've played song phrases chromatically across the MIDI keyboard, and that's a lot of fun. What I've been doing most recently is mapping the clips on my keyboard, and playing and layering them, along with the effects. I've been experimenting with different 8 pack samples, which you can download weekly from Acid Planet. I use samples from any 5 different packs that go nice and layer nice together, (that's relative, of course :) on 5 different tracks, and map them to 5 octaves, on the white keys, from C to A, so I have 30 different sounds to layer and play. I use the B in each octave to turn off the sample that's playing in that octave. It's a "prepared piano" of sorts. If you layer them "right" you can almost play them randomly. If I map bass samples, say, to the 1st octave, and drums to the 2nd, sometimes I'll hit different keys in each octave at the same time, which gives me different D&B permutations. It's also fun to "play" the samples, by turning the quantization off. I have yet to combine this with, say, mapping a sample chromatically for an octave. I then insert effect(s) in each track. and use the black keys in each octave to turn them on and off, say the C# key I use the other 4 black keys in each octave to control some of the effects while the samples are playing, but with mixed results. These I still have to experiment with, since the keys usually just turn them on and off, which is OK for some of the user interface elements. I have an Evolution UC-33e with knobs and sliders that might do a better job on these, but I haven't used it yet with the midi keyboard, although Live can map both of them just fine. Chopitch would be a great effect to start with. It has 14 sliders! I've actually experimented a little with this one when I 1st downloaded it. Way to go, Matthias! So, while all of that is cooking, it's time to get inside the samples with the mouse. You can't just let it sit there! This is the biggie that Ableton has been promoting for Live 3. The transpose knob is a fun place to start. And then there's your computer keyboard. Also, foot controllers that I haven't started with yet. And the Echoplex.? Of course, you can record all of this, so it shows up in the Arranger View for you to later edit. I guess that's about as far as I've gotten. What about you? Where have you taken Live, or where has it taken you? I know that Per uses it a lot, and shared some in the last few days with the discussion thread that's been going on. Cheers, Tom ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C427FF.59930E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’ve played song phrases chromatically across = the MIDI keyboard, and that’s a lot of = fun.

 

What I’ve been doing most = recently is mapping the clips on my keyboard, and playing and layering them, = along with the effects.

 

I’ve been experimenting with different 8 pack samples, which you can download weekly from Acid = Planet.  I use samples from any 5 different packs that go nice and layer nice = together, (that’s relative, of course :) on 5 different tracks, and map them to 5 octaves, = on the white keys, from C to A, so I have 30 different sounds to layer and = play.  I use the B in each octave to turn off the sample that’s playing = in that octave.  It’s a “prepared piano” of sorts.  =

 

If you layer them = “right”  you can almost play them randomly.  If I map bass samples, say, to = the 1st octave, and drums to the 2nd, sometimes I’ll hit = different keys in each octave at the same time, which gives me different D&B = permutations.  It’s also fun to “play” the samples, by turning the = quantization off.  I have yet to combine this with, say, mapping a sample = chromatically for an octave.

 

I then insert effect(s) in each = track. and use the black keys in each octave to turn them on and off, say the C# = key  I use the other 4 black keys in each octave to control some of the = effects while the samples are playing,  but with mixed results.  These = I still have to experiment with, since the keys usually just turn them on and = off, which is OK for some of the user interface = elements.

 

I have an Evolution UC-33e with = knobs and sliders that might do a better job on these, but I haven’t used it = yet with the midi keyboard, although Live can map both of them just = fine.  Chopitch would be a great effect to start with.  It has 14 = sliders!  I’ve actually experimented a little with this one when I 1st = downloaded it.  Way to go, Matthias!

 

So, while all of that is cooking, = it’s time to get inside the samples with the mouse.  You can’t = just let it sit there!  This is the biggie that Ableton has been promoting = for Live 3.  The transpose knob is a fun place to start.  =

 

And then there’s your = computer keyboard.  Also, foot controllers that I haven’t started with = yet. And the Echoplex…?

 

Of course, you can record all of = this, so it shows up in the Arranger View for you to later = edit.

 

I guess that’s about as far = as I’ve gotten.  What about you?  Where have you taken Live, or where = has it taken you?  I know that Per uses it a lot, and shared some in the = last few days with the discussion thread that’s been going = on.

 

Cheers,

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Tom

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C427FF.59930E90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 04:08:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3M86le07899; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:06:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:06:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <194.27980c34.2db8d70e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:06:38 EDT Subject: Re: CHOPITCH and pitch shifting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Have you also tried the really great CHOPITCH vst plugin (octave and down > pitch shifting ) that our own Matthias Grob, Andy Butler > and several others have developed? www.chopitch.com. > > I love it. It is awesome for mangling and accurately down pitching loops. hey , thanks Rick :-) > It also has a lot of randomization features for reordering the audio > information replete with randomization percentage settings on things like > pitch, reverse, etc. huh, I think you're probably refering to one of the smartelectronix plugs here. Chopitch isn't random at all (and no reverse) although it does work interactively with the input. > It is particular great for percussion tracks (or at least that is my bias, > lol). I agree, and also for playing bass lines. > I'll post an mp3 of it at audiopluginjunkiesanonymous@yahoogroups.com. > It's tentatively titled "Don't want to change my life". thanks Rick, nice work. there's also some demo's on www.chopitch.com, available from the downloads page andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 04:09:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3M88kV08243; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:08:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:08:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:08:38 +0200 Subject: Re: what's everybody doing with Ableton Live? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040422071831.EMTE13501.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-22 09.18, "Tom Rex" wrote: > I guess that's about as far as I've gotten. What about you? Where have you > taken Live, or where has it taken you? I know that Per uses it a lot, and > shared some in the last few days with the discussion thread that's been > going on. Mostly I'm just using Live, in session mode, as a software mixer/patch-bay in combination with the RME Multiface soundcard. Then I have hardware loopers and analogue effects connected as outboards to the break-out box while automizing Live session mixer and the loopers from midi foot controller while playing. But I've done a little traditional music producing in Live. http://www.boysen.se/studio/00_01_2004_live.mp3 A quick track I did to try out "step sequencing" in Live 3.0. No drum loops used, only single drum hits that I looped on 16ths. Then I used clip envelopes to "step sequence" beats. I got so inspired by this technique so I did the same with the syth lines. No synths used either, only short slices from the preachermans voice. Looped them, tuned them, and used clip envelopes to create melodies with "step sequencing". Clip envelope "transpose" for melody and clip envelope "volume" for the timing. Just writing it in there with the pen tool using the mouse ;-) http://www.boysen.se/nodenrecordings/04_Modern_Mistakes.mp3 Another track completely assembled in Live. The talking drum was recorded in Live during a tracking session when the drummer played all the time while I was recording and looping his playing in Live. A very rewarding method to record percussion. The speaker was recorded acapella and then I put his phrases on clips. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 04:27:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3M8PtJ10922; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:25:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:25:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:25:49 +0200 Subject: Re: what's everybody doing with Ableton Live? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On 04-04-22 09.18, "Tom Rex" wrote: > >> I guess that's about as far as I've gotten. What about you? Where have you >> taken Live, or where has it taken you? I know that Per uses it a lot, and >> shared some in the last few days with the discussion thread that's been >> going on. > > > Mostly I'm just using Live, in session mode, as a software mixer/patch-bay Oops, I forgot that right now I'm actually using Live as a "plug-in" to Logic, running it as a ReWire slave. Normally I'm more interested in playing music and making it up I go, improvising. But at the moment I'm producing a bunch of recordings to go with a cd and then I have to plan things in advance etc. I think Live is excellent as a kind of sketchboard for this. When you have the major tracks recorded in Logic - like vocals, bass and a simple drum track - just ReWire Live and use Live to browse your loop/sample library for ideas. If library files are kept trancuated as full bars Live will time-stretch correctly even for the preview function. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 06:07:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MA56s27492; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:05:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:05:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1082628299!0 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708534289@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Line 6 DL4 problem Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:04:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C42851.36C94A80" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C42851.36C94A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>has anyone had a problem with the Line 6 DL4, specifically using an expression pedal? I'm using my Ernie Ball stereo volume/pan pedal.... The only thing I can think of is that the Line 6 pedal is specially designed for the DL4 (and the other pedals in the line)<< I tried using an ordinary mono volume/expr pedal with my dl4 & discovered that it did nothing much of use. can't remember the exact symptoms, but it wasn't what I wanted it to do. for some reason, it occurred to me to dismantle the pedal's jack plug & reverse the tip & ring connections. since then it works fine, no problems at all. that, so far as I know, is the only difference between the line-6 expr pedal & similar (much cheaper) devices. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>has anyone had a problem with the Line 6 DL4,
specifically using an expression pedal?  I'm using = my
Ernie Ball stereo volume/pan pedal....
The only thing I can think of is that the Line 6 pedal
is specially designed for the DL4 (and the other
pedals in the line)<<

I tried using an ordinary mono volume/expr pedal with my = dl4 & discovered that it did nothing much of use. can't remember the ex= act symptoms, but it wasn't what I wanted it to do. for some reason, it occ= urred to me to dismantle the pedal's jack plug & reverse the tip & = ring connections. since then it works fine, no problems at all. that, so fa= r as I know, is the only difference between the line-6 expr pedal & sim= ilar (much cheaper) devices.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C42851.36C94A80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 10:14:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MEAMt29257; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:10:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:10:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200404220721.i3M7L3F02164@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200404220721.i3M7L3F02164@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: EDP Reflections... Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:10:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <8sl_2D.A.DJH.NJ9hAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How much would be willing to pay for a box with only those features (no MIDI sync, no MIDI control, etc)? TravisH On Apr 22, 2004, at 12:21 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > If you read my auction listing I touched on a few opinions > I have of the EDP. But what really stands out to me is > that there isn't a scaled down version available. I can > see a real niche for a box with maybe 60 seconds of loop > time, multiply, undo, reverse, and maybe the option to have > a second loop. As much capability as it has, I would have > been happy with that as a feature set, built into a stomp > box. I'm sure that it comes off as heresy to some, but that > would be a really cool device in my book. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 10:29:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MERGm31498; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:27:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:27:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20040422072158.02978560@pop.dakotacom.net> X-Sender: ddw@pop.dakotacom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:26:36 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Doug Wellington Subject: Where to get EDP+? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have any leads on where to buy a couple Echoplex Digital Pro Pluses? Thanks, -Doug http://www.differentskies.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 10:38:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MEatS32716; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:36:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:36:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:42:57 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EH 16sec delay reissue update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com According to what I heard from Electro-Harmonix yesterday, they've taken over 400 preorders so far for the EH 16sec delay reissue which, again as of yesterday, is shipping at the end of June. Since the reissue is limited to 1000, if you haven't pre-ordered you might want to. (usual disclaimers, don't work for EH, don't own stock, etc. etc.) best, Steve B, Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ (next show tomorrow) Phasmatodea http://www.subscapeannex.com/other.html (1st show 29 April) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 11:01:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MEu8002902; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:56:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:56:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040422145602.89196.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:56:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: EH 16sec delay reissue update To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has the info page been updated? All it had was a pic and how to preorder the reissue. Paolo --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > According to what I heard from Electro-Harmonix > yesterday, they've taken > over 400 preorders so far for the EH 16sec delay > reissue which, again as > of yesterday, is shipping at the end of June. Since > the reissue is > limited to 1000, if you haven't pre-ordered you > might want to. > > (usual disclaimers, don't work for EH, don't own > stock, etc. etc.) > > best, > Steve B, Subscape Annex > http://www.subscapeannex.com/ (next show tomorrow) > Phasmatodea http://www.subscapeannex.com/other.html > (1st show 29 April) > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 11:08:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MF1LK03670; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:01:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:01:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:06:06 -0700 Subject: Re: EH 16sec delay reissue update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040422145602.89196.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <94A51C0E-946E-11D8-8886-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3MF1Kp03646 Resent-Message-ID: <3YotmB.A.N5.B59hAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here you go Paolo This is the mail that Ron Neely sent to the list Guys, I just joined this list to tell you that EH is going to reissue the 16 Second Digital Delay this July. I will be offering this looping machine for the low price of $399 plus shipping. The initial run will be limited to 1000 pieces so you need to reserve yours today! You can go to http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com to place an advance deposit for your own Delay. This is the only time I will post this and I was very iffy about it because I didn't want to be seen as a spammer. In the past, members have asked me about the possibility of a reissue. Now that it's going to be a reality, I knew the members of this group would want to know. Thanks for your understanding. Ron Neely II The EH Man, All-Knowing Guru of Electro-Harmonix Electro-Harmonix info: http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com Home of RonSound effects: http://www.ronsound.com fx schematics and repairs On Thursday, April 22, 2004, at 07:56 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > Has the info page been updated? All it had was a pic > and how to preorder the reissue. > > Paolo > > --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> According to what I heard from Electro-Harmonix >> yesterday, they've taken >> over 400 preorders so far for the EH 16sec delay >> reissue which, again as >> of yesterday, is shipping at the end of June. Since >> the reissue is >> limited to 1000, if you haven't pre-ordered you >> might want to. >> >> (usual disclaimers, don't work for EH, don't own >> stock, etc. etc.) >> >> best, >> Steve B, Subscape Annex >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/ (next show tomorrow) >> Phasmatodea http://www.subscapeannex.com/other.html >> (1st show 29 April) >> > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 11:23:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MFKvO06490; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:20:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:20:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4087E25D.5060101@free.fr> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:18:53 +0200 From: Luca Bonvini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Reflections... References: <200404220721.i3M7L3F02164@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3MFKvp06462 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Add a decay rate possibility and a change of pitch functions (half tones ) + a stereo out and one extra line in and I'll pay around the price of a boomerang. Actually just make a boomerang with multiply and undo and stereo out . and if possible a storage possibility for some loops as RC20, two line in and 44Khz sound and I'll be willing to pay also as much as a Boomerang + RC20. Luca Travis Hartnett a écrit: > How much would be willing to pay for a box with only those features (no > MIDI sync, no MIDI control, etc)? > > TravisH > > On Apr 22, 2004, at 12:21 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> If you read my auction listing I touched on a few opinions >> I have of the EDP. But what really stands out to me is >> that there isn't a scaled down version available. I can >> see a real niche for a box with maybe 60 seconds of loop >> time, multiply, undo, reverse, and maybe the option to have >> a second loop. As much capability as it has, I would have >> been happy with that as a feature set, built into a stomp >> box. I'm sure that it comes off as heresy to some, but that >> would be a really cool device in my book. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 11:36:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MFX0A07771; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:33:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:33:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040422153252.88289.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:32:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: EH 16sec delay reissue update To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <94A51C0E-946E-11D8-8886-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <115qYC.A.S5B.rW-hAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- sheila & joe wrote: > Here you go Paolo > > This is the mail that Ron Neely sent to the list Thanks, but I already saw that email and preordered th unit. What I was asking was whether Ron had updated the info on the website (http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com/) with more details on what's going to be on this reissue unit exactly. For example, a sentence or two about the MIDI feature (as hinted by the MIDI out on the right side). Its the same old stuff that was there before - a pic, an order form, and nothing else. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 11:53:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MFnUc10067; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:49:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:49:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Line 6 DL4 problem Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:49:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2004 15:49:21.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[611F7400:01C42881] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >>has anyone had a problem with the Line 6 DL4, >specifically using an expression pedal? I'm using my >Ernie Ball stereo volume/pan pedal.... >The only thing I can think of is that the Line 6 pedal >is specially designed for the DL4 (and the other >pedals in the line)<< I tried to use my Zoom exprssion pedal with te DL4, I found that there where pedal resolution problems, in that all the changing was done in a very small area of the throw, with usless areas at each side of the action, it may be that your pedal works until it goes out of the DL4s perceptable resoltion of the reisitor pot then it kind of loses track ofthe fact there is a pedal attached at all. hope this helps in some way. Phill _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 12:05:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MG3aT12265; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:03:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:03:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200404221553.i3MFrLo10541@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200404221553.i3MFrLo10541@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--884085321 Message-Id: <9AEE94BE-9476-11D8-B6D2-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: EDP Reflections... Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:03:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-7--884085321 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed So, $999 list for your deluxe options version, without a true stereo signal path and no MIDI jacks? TravisH On Apr 22, 2004, at 8:53 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Re: EDP Reflections... > > > Add a decay rate possibility and a change of pitch functions (half > tones ) + a stereo out and one extra line in and I'll pay around the > price of a boomerang. > > Actually just make a boomerang with multiply and undo and stereo out . > and if possible a storage possibility for some loops as RC20, two line > in and 44Khz sound and I'll be willing to pay also as much as a > Boomerang + RC20. > > Luca --Apple-Mail-7--884085321 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII So, $999 list for your deluxe options version, without a true stereo signal path and no MIDI jacks? TravisH On Apr 22, 2004, at 8:53 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: EDP Reflections... Add a decay rate possibility and a change of pitch functions (half tones ) + a stereo out and one extra line in and I'll pay around the price of a boomerang. Actually just make a boomerang with multiply and undo and stereo out . and if possible a storage possibility for some loops as RC20, two line in and 44Khz sound and I'll be willing to pay also as much as a Boomerang + RC20. Luca --Apple-Mail-7--884085321-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 12:12:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MG9Ol12891; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:09:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:09:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <23865.129.33.49.251.1082650527.squirrel@webmail.cavesofice.org> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Re: EH 16sec delay reissue update From: "Steve Burnett" To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Reply-To: burnett@pobox.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > Has the info page been updated? All it had was a pic > and how to preorder the reissue. > > Paolo Paolo, I didn't check the webpage, sorry - I preordered through a local music store yesterday afternoon, my pusher-I-mean-salesguy :) called EH while I was standing there to place my order and relayed the current preorder #s and expected ship date to me after he got off the phone with hiscontact at EH. That's all I know right now. best, Steve B, Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ (next show tomorrow) Phasmatodea http://www.subscapeannex.com/other.html (1st show 29 April) > --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > According to what I heard from Electro-Harmonix > > yesterday, they've taken > > over 400 preorders so far for the EH 16sec delay > > reissue which, again as > > of yesterday, is shipping at the end of June. Since > > the reissue is > > limited to 1000, if you haven't pre-ordered you > > might want to. > > > > (usual disclaimers, don't work for EH, don't own > > stock, etc. etc.) > > > > best, > > Steve B, Subscape Annex > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/ (next show tomorrow) > > Phasmatodea http://www.subscapeannex.com/other.html > > (1st show 29 April) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 12:22:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MGF6c13795; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:15:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:15:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:15:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20040422072158.02978560@pop.dakotacom.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes. where can i buy as well? i want two. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Wellington [mailto:ddw@dakotacom.net] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:27 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Where to get EDP+? Anyone have any leads on where to buy a couple Echoplex Digital Pro Pluses? Thanks, -Doug http://www.differentskies.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 12:29:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MGQTo15707; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:26:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:26:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: what's everybody doing with Ableton Live? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:25:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c42886$701ddaf0$6a01a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been particularly enamored with recording standalone soft-synths via Numerology using the Soundflower audio driver to record into Live. One of the 'weaknesses' of Live has heretofore been that you can't record midi or host softsynths. But with the advent of these great OSX utilities it is now possible to record those great sounds into Live, and then some. Getting the sounds of Arturia's CS80, Minimoog, and Absynth, as well as beats from the new iDrum etc into Live is pretty mind boggling. I tried getting my EDP to mastersync Live, but ran into some problems, which I haven't had patience to troubleshoot, but therein lays some crazy potential. Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 12:30:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MGRig16054; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:27:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:27:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4087F201.10107@free.fr> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:25:37 +0200 From: Luca Bonvini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Reflections... References: <200404221553.i3MFrLo10541@hemlock.violacea.com> <9AEE94BE-9476-11D8-B6D2-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3MGRip16030 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, let say I'll pay the price of the Echoplex 799$, without pedal because the switches will be as the boomerang. L. PS. yes stereo out if possible. Travis Hartnett a écrit: > So, $999 list for your deluxe options version, without a true stereo > signal path and no MIDI jacks? > > TravisH > > On Apr 22, 2004, at 8:53 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > Subject: Re: EDP Reflections... > > > Add a decay rate possibility and a change of pitch functions (half > tones ) + a stereo out and one extra line in and I'll pay around the > price of a boomerang. > > Actually just make a boomerang with multiply and undo and stereo out > . and if possible a storage possibility for some loops as RC20, two > line in and 44Khz sound and I'll be willing to pay also as much as a > Boomerang + RC20. > > Luca > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 12:35:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MGV6A16593; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:31:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:31:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4087F2CD.7060104@free.fr> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:29:01 +0200 From: Luca Bonvini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3MGV5p16570 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can put an order at sweetwater.com, they already have a waiting list for that item. Delay time now is July 22 but if the list get long may be something will happen. Ask of Jon Gauthier...(salesman, nice guy) Luca Damon Grossman a écrit: > Yes. where can i buy as well? i want two. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Wellington [mailto:ddw@dakotacom.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:27 AM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Where to get EDP+? > > > > Anyone have any leads on where to buy a couple Echoplex Digital Pro Pluses? > > Thanks, > -Doug > > http://www.differentskies.org > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 12:54:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MGoJR18943; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:50:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:50:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:50:17 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP Reflections... From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4087F201.10107@free.fr> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If one were evolving the hardware, I could see two relatively simple directions: 1. A floor pedal that combines the rack unit with the foot pedal and adds some form of foot operated feedback control (maybe something like the Boomerang rollers, maybe just a continuous pedal or two). It can lose the MIDI connections. It would be nice to keep the sync jacks. It can probably stay mono. Basically a repackaging of the existing tech. 2. Stereo throughs for the rack version. No stereo looping, but just stereo throughs so that you can use it in a stereo rig without needing to either get a line mixer or get a second EDP. Neither seems really likely to happen since even doing new sheet metal for the first is probably a difficult expense to justify. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 14:30:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MIP4v31651; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:25:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:25:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.139.138] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danioore@hotmail.com From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:24:57 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2004 18:24:58.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DF7AC40:01C42897] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes the edp creates pops when i copy loops, even when controlled from front panel. does this necessarilly mean that the problem is not in the footswitch? what does reseating the chips entail (how to...)? this seems ridiculous -- i only got mine a couple of months ago, and already i have footswitch probs (the rec button acts as next loop sometimes) and now this new (?) copy-loop pop problem. are all edps so prone to malfunctions? dani >From: "lol c" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:20:10 +0000 > >Do you have/or know anyone who you can borrow from, a Midi controller or >another EDP footswitch, if you are having popping noises, it is usually due >to bad earthing/grounding /bad switches and so on. it would be useful to >test your unit with a different board to see if it still happens (in fact >have you tried just using the front panel in a test) > >failing that I guess there would be ne harm in recommending the usual >re-seat the chips solution that has cleaned up much of my edps wobbly >beheviour in the part (go careful though) > >Phill Wilson > > >>From: "Dani Oore" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound >>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:43:34 -0300 >> >> >> >>yes, thats what i am doing -and it still leaves a pop at the end. >> >>d >> >> >> >>>From: Jon Arterton >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound >>>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:55:48 -0400 >>> >>>>If you're quantizing, you can push NextLoop and Multiply before the >>>>first loop ends - this copies everything into the next loop (and leaves >>>>you in multiply). This has been very useful for me.... >>> >>>Jon >>> >>>>edp Problem: >>>> >>>>to copy loop1 into loop2, i press NEXT with copy-sound on, then i press >>>>MULTIPLY to end the copying. but i frequently get an annoying static pop >>>>at the end of the copied loop. it seems as though sometimes if i press >>>>multiply right before the new loop completes the first pass, the pop is >>>>quieter or maybe not there at all. how can i copy loops without any >>>>static pops etc.. --and why is it happening?! >>>> >>>>practising at home i can deal w/ it, but i cant be redoing loop passes >>>>on stage. >>>> >>>>dani >>>> >>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* >>>>http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* >>http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 15:01:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MIv8T03939; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:57:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:57:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Looper Delight List" Subject: RE: Ableton Live attention Per Boyson Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:01:50 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 In-Reply-To: <008801c427d6$942bce80$0200a8c0@waggy> Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.236.4.76] at Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:57:06 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I wrote: >> Cons: As Michael Stauffer noted you can only change the Pitch either >Upwards >> OR Downwards from the base-transpose. > >I have to correct myself and claim that it was kind of stupid >of me not to >try 3 keys!!!! > >C-1 and C-2 and C-3 > >Result: >C-2 is Base-transpose and C-1 is transpose one octave Down and C-3 is >transpose one octave Up!!!! Woho! > >So there you go! Repeater functionality in Ableton. Loooovely! :) Hey, that's great news! Thanks for figuring that out, Tias. Also, I realize you could manually change the pitch in the clip properties, and then set the keyboard note range so that you straddle the original pitch as you wish, but simply using 3 keys sounds alot easier! -M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 15:48:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MJiH910603; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:44:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:44:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Where to get EDP Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:44:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQohWooEbeKNrDdRomaldyQkb0GRgAHFVYA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040422194407.MXHV13670.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>>>Anyone have any leads on where to buy a couple Echoplex Digital Pro Pluses? >>>>Yes. where can i buy as well? i want two. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3719880842 Expensive but worth it--although not the Plus . . . But available now! These had just better be fucking available in 6 months or I am going to be ska-rewed. Best to all--Sad to sell gear you love-- Bitterly, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 17:59:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MLs2V27918; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:54:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:54:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8AF39F0C-94A7-11D8-8E57-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: EH 16sec delay reissue update Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:53:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Apr 22, 2004, at 9:42 AM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > According to what I heard from Electro-Harmonix yesterday, they've > taken > over 400 preorders so far for the EH 16sec delay reissue which, again > as > of yesterday, is shipping at the end of June. Since the reissue is > limited to 1000, if you haven't pre-ordered you might want to. well, i've said it once and i'll say it again. it seems as though the corporations which make the devices we use are either cruel or stupid. EH has decided in it's infinite wisdom to limit the EH240 (240 seconds of delay) to 1000 pcs, even though it's already almost half-way sold out before it's own release. Gibson has decided to stiff itself for the production of the Blackface EDP, despite the fact that every one of them has been sold or spoken for. Electrix shot itself in the foot by listening to it's marketing department too much. Line6's loopers are definitely useable yet crippled. Funny enough Roland seem to make the coolest looper currently purchaseable, for reasons which i do not completely understand; i believe the DD-20 was an "happy accident". I am looking forward to Matthias finishing his work for the Chameleon and selling it to us. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 18:08:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MM3Y229169; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:03:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:03:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <408840D6.2030300@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:01:58 -0700 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16sec delay reissue update References: <8AF39F0C-94A7-11D8-8E57-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> In-Reply-To: <8AF39F0C-94A7-11D8-8E57-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com w-w-wait, four minutes of delay in the re-issue? You know this for a fact? fully agreed on your sentiments though.. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > it seems as though the corporations which make the devices we use are > either cruel or stupid. EH has decided in it's infinite wisdom to > limit the EH240 (240 seconds of delay) to 1000 pcs, even though it's > already almost half-way sold out before it's own release. Gibson has > decided to stiff itself for the production of the Blackface EDP, > despite the fact that every one of them has been sold or spoken for. > Electrix shot itself in the foot by listening to it's marketing > department too much. Line6's loopers are definitely useable yet > crippled. Funny enough Roland seem to make the coolest looper > currently purchaseable, for reasons which i do not completely > understand; i believe the DD-20 was an "happy accident". > > I am looking forward to Matthias finishing his work for the Chameleon > and selling it to us. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 18:25:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MMLkt31623; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:21:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:21:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <408840D6.2030300@mhorse.com> References: <8AF39F0C-94A7-11D8-8E57-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <408840D6.2030300@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6A6EDDD7-94AB-11D8-8E57-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: EH 16sec delay reissue update, correction. Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:21:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Apr 22, 2004, at 5:01 PM, Daryl wrote: > w-w-wait, four minutes of delay in the re-issue? You know this for a > fact? it's an obscene number, if it ain't 4 minutes it's plenty. you have to dig alot, but check out guitar forums and that EHDude's page. it's way more than 16 seconds. i don't understand why they're even calling it that. SHIT. i forgot to prop that Manecolooper guy. he seems to be taking care of his customer base very well. he's DEFINITELY a cut above. also, i have nothing bad to say about the manufacturers of the Boomerang. they seem to make a good product at a good price with good customer service. i really did not balance that rant properly. the EDP, EH240, and Repeater are not the only looping delay units in the world. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 18:47:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MMf2x01743; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:41:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:41:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040422224059.62365.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:40:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: EH 16sec delay reissue update, correction. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6A6EDDD7-94AB-11D8-8E57-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4KwE8C.A.Fb.-nEiAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > it's an obscene number, if it ain't 4 minutes it's > plenty. you have to > dig alot, but check out guitar forums and that > EHDude's page. it's way Where did you find it on Ron Neely's page? I've been digging, and couldn't find anything. Yeah, I've been known to be dense... > SHIT. i forgot to prop that Manecolooper guy. he > seems to be taking > care of his customer base very well. he's DEFINITELY > a cut above. His stuff looks cool, but no sliders, and his one pedal that has MIDI sync has a price well over the EH16 Reissue's. He's definitely one to watch, that said. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 19:05:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MN3Vf04364; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:03:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:03:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <20040422224059.62365.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040422224059.62365.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <407A8151-94B1-11D8-8E57-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: EH 16sec delay reissue update, correction. Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:03:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <2F0BaC.A.DEB.C9EiAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Apr 22, 2004, at 5:40 PM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > digging, and couldn't find anything. Yeah, I've been > known to be dense... well, i've been known to be wrong. haha ... i'll see what info i can find. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 19:23:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MNM6X07306; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:22:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:22:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: what's everybody doing with Ableton Live? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:22:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcQoRD2grkaBuqoDR3SyOdxRmoZiHQAefsIQ Message-Id: <20040422232200.QPKH13670.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like to re-wire Reason as a rack of instruments to either Cubase SX, or Live, but other than opening them all up to see what it does to my computer's performance, I have not used Live with Cubase SX yet. Thanks for the suggestions, Per. One problem that I have encountered a lot when I have a few software programs open at the same time is that the CPU usage shoots up from 20 some % to 100%, and locks up everything. So I tend to avoid doing this, and thereby miss out on some creative opportunities. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 1:26 AM To: Loopers Subject: Re: what's everybody doing with Ableton Live? > On 04-04-22 09.18, "Tom Rex" wrote: > >> I guess that's about as far as I've gotten. What about you? Where have you >> taken Live, or where has it taken you? I know that Per uses it a lot, and >> shared some in the last few days with the discussion thread that's been >> going on. > > > Mostly I'm just using Live, in session mode, as a software mixer/patch-bay Oops, I forgot that right now I'm actually using Live as a "plug-in" to Logic, running it as a ReWire slave. Normally I'm more interested in playing music and making it up I go, improvising. But at the moment I'm producing a bunch of recordings to go with a cd and then I have to plan things in advance etc. I think Live is excellent as a kind of sketchboard for this. When you have the major tracks recorded in Logic - like vocals, bass and a simple drum track - just ReWire Live and use Live to browse your loop/sample library for ideas. If library files are kept trancuated as full bars Live will time-stretch correctly even for the preview function. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 19:33:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MNUus08725; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:30:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:30:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c428c1$dba29140$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> From: "Maneco" To: References: <20040422224059.62365.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EH 16sec delay reissue update, correction. Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:30:54 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > His stuff looks cool, but no sliders, and his one > pedal that has MIDI sync has a price well over the > EH16 Reissue's. He's definitely one to watch, that > said. I try to do my best...sorry if my best isn´t good enough... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 19:36:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MNY5A09058; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:34:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:34:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040422182906.012df330@mail.ronsound.com> X-Sender: theehman@mail.ronsound.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:29:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Ronald C. Neely II" Subject: re: 16 Second Delay Reissue info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at bluemarble.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll see if I can get some info. I'll let you know when it's updated. Ron Neely II The EH Man, All-Knowing Guru of Electro-Harmonix Electro-Harmonix info: http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com Home of RonSound effects: http://www.ronsound.com fx schematics and repairs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 19:49:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MNkGo10850; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:46:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:46:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: what's everybody doing with Ableton Live? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:46:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcQoh+roPtuyO2k1SGGPnXs3XpyJTgAOUDVw In-Reply-To: <000501c42886$701ddaf0$6a01a8c0@neil> Message-Id: <20040422234610.QZPD13670.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Neil, I tried Plogue Bidule with Chainer, for recording midi in Live on a PC that seems to work, but don't know if they're available for the Mac? Tom -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 9:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: what's everybody doing with Ableton Live? I've been particularly enamored with recording standalone soft-synths via Numerology using the Soundflower audio driver to record into Live. One of the 'weaknesses' of Live has heretofore been that you can't record midi or host softsynths. But with the advent of these great OSX utilities it is now possible to record those great sounds into Live, and then some. Getting the sounds of Arturia's CS80, Minimoog, and Absynth, as well as beats from the new iDrum etc into Live is pretty mind boggling. I tried getting my EDP to mastersync Live, but ran into some problems, which I haven't had patience to troubleshoot, but therein lays some crazy potential. Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 19:50:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3MNmrI11283; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:48:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:48:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:54:59 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: EH 16sec delay reissue update In-Reply-To: <408840D6.2030300@mhorse.com> Message-ID: References: <8AF39F0C-94A7-11D8-8E57-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <408840D6.2030300@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Daryl wrote: > > w-w-wait, four minutes of delay in the re-issue? You know this for a fact? Yeah, something around four minutes worth. best, Steve B, Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ (next show tomorrow) Phasmatodea http://www.subscapeannex.com/other.html (1st show 29 April) > fully agreed on your sentiments though.. > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > it seems as though the corporations which make the devices we use are > > either cruel or stupid. EH has decided in it's infinite wisdom to > > limit the EH240 (240 seconds of delay) to 1000 pcs, even though it's > > already almost half-way sold out before it's own release. Gibson has > > decided to stiff itself for the production of the Blackface EDP, > > despite the fact that every one of them has been sold or spoken for. > > Electrix shot itself in the foot by listening to it's marketing > > department too much. Line6's loopers are definitely useable yet > > crippled. Funny enough Roland seem to make the coolest looper > > currently purchaseable, for reasons which i do not completely > > understand; i believe the DD-20 was an "happy accident". > > > > I am looking forward to Matthias finishing his work for the Chameleon > > and selling it to us. > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 20:05:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N016P13496; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:01:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:01:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <000b01c428c1$dba29140$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> References: <20040422224059.62365.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> <000b01c428c1$dba29140$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <4C2E0A74-94B9-11D8-8E57-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: EH 16sec delay reissue update, correction. Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:00:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3N016p13475 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Apr 22, 2004, at 6:30 PM, Maneco wrote: > I try to do my best...sorry if my best isn´t good enough... i'll bet you're doing pretty good. i've seen people in guitar forums rave about your pedals. i don't think i'll ever need one, but i always forward people a link to your page when they talk to me about looping pedals. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 20:21:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N0H0c16110; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:17:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:17:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4898.207.138.106.50.1082679419.squirrel@secure.dakotacom.net> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:16:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? From: "Doug Wellington" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9rddBB.A.n7D.8BGiAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Kirkdorffer sent me an address where I could contact Gibson. (Thanks David!) I did, and thought I would share what I learned with the list, in case anyone else is in the same spot I am. OK, I used the mail form on their web page, asking where I could get an Echoplex, and I got a nice reply saying, "just go to your local authorized Gibson dealer" to which I replied "gee, everybody I've talked to says they aren't available and aren't being made. Is that true?" I haven't received a reply to that yet... As I was looking around the Gibson web pages, I saw a phone number, so I decided to call. The guy I talked to seemed pretty cool. He told me that one of the parts suppliers had gone out of business and that they were negotiating with a new supplier. He seemed to think they would go back into production in 30-60 days. He suggested that I call a dealer and get my name on a waiting list... OK, at this point, I'm officially in a holding pattern and will wait until the middle of June before trying again... -Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 20:30:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N0TJu18382; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:29:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:29:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: what's everybody doing with Ableton Live? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:29:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcQoQYRAnwuhSBA2SCK8ajWbNqzOGQAhH9yw In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20040423002910.RPCT9660.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool tracks, Per. Fun tracks! Creatively done tracks!! Thanks for the ideas. The business one would be fun to play at a management meeting about losing your corporate strategic advantage. Is that what you wrote it for? And the preacher one... outside the tent for an old fashion revival meeting, with a twist! See if that draws the kids in!! I like your use of Live as a software mixer/patch-bay, with a good soundcard. I have a decent card, a Delta 66, but only 2 stereo in and 2 out. So I use a Behringer Eurorack 1622 fx to get the instruments in and out of the PC. But this creates problems in Live and Cubase SX in hearing the insert effects when I bus them in this way. I called M-Audio, and they suggested to plug the synths directly into the sound card and out through the mixer. Since the Delta 66 has only 2 stereo in, I've been thinking of upgrading to either the Delta 1010, or a firewire interface. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 1:09 AM To: Loopers Subject: Re: what's everybody doing with Ableton Live? On 04-04-22 09.18, "Tom Rex" wrote: > I guess that's about as far as I've gotten. What about you? Where have you > taken Live, or where has it taken you? I know that Per uses it a lot, and > shared some in the last few days with the discussion thread that's been > going on. Mostly I'm just using Live, in session mode, as a software mixer/patch-bay in combination with the RME Multiface soundcard. Then I have hardware loopers and analogue effects connected as outboards to the break-out box while automizing Live session mixer and the loopers from midi foot controller while playing. But I've done a little traditional music producing in Live. http://www.boysen.se/studio/00_01_2004_live.mp3 A quick track I did to try out "step sequencing" in Live 3.0. No drum loops used, only single drum hits that I looped on 16ths. Then I used clip envelopes to "step sequence" beats. I got so inspired by this technique so I did the same with the syth lines. No synths used either, only short slices from the preachermans voice. Looped them, tuned them, and used clip envelopes to create melodies with "step sequencing". Clip envelope "transpose" for melody and clip envelope "volume" for the timing. Just writing it in there with the pen tool using the mouse ;-) http://www.boysen.se/nodenrecordings/04_Modern_Mistakes.mp3 Another track completely assembled in Live. The talking drum was recorded in Live during a tracking session when the drummer played all the time while I was recording and looping his playing in Live. A very rewarding method to record percussion. The speaker was recorded acapella and then I put his phrases on clips. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 20:34:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N0WAF18751; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:32:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:32:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c428ca$c81a7b20$86c4a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <4898.207.138.106.50.1082679419.squirrel@secure.dakotacom.net> Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:34:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.196.134] at Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:32:05 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting. I wonder what the Trace people in the UK would say.... :-) Any one looking for an EDP, you might want to keep on (politely) banging the Gibson door. The more noise, the more likely this product will be made again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Wellington" To: Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? > David Kirkdorffer sent me an address where I could contact Gibson. (Thanks > David!) I did, and thought I would share what I learned with the list, in > case anyone else is in the same spot I am. > > OK, I used the mail form on their web page, asking where I could get an > Echoplex, and I got a nice reply saying, "just go to your local authorized > Gibson dealer" to which I replied "gee, everybody I've talked to says they > aren't available and aren't being made. Is that true?" I haven't received > a reply to that yet... > > As I was looking around the Gibson web pages, I saw a phone number, so I > decided to call. The guy I talked to seemed pretty cool. He told me that > one of the parts suppliers had gone out of business and that they were > negotiating with a new supplier. He seemed to think they would go back into > production in 30-60 days. He suggested that I call a dealer and get my name > on a waiting list... > > OK, at this point, I'm officially in a holding pattern and will wait until > the middle of June before trying again... > > -Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 20:48:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N0l8C21258; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:47:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:47:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200404230021.i3N0LSt16961@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200404230021.i3N0LSt16961@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--852672561 Message-Id: From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:47:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--852672561 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Personally, I'd recommend Alto Music. Their price is better than Sweetwater, even with shipping. Jon (without an "h") is the guy to talk to, he'll put you on their waiting list. www.altomusic.com TravisH On Apr 22, 2004, at 5:21 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? > > > You can put an order at sweetwater.com, they already have a waiting > list for that item. Delay time now is July 22 but if the list get > long may be something will happen. Ask of Jon Gauthier...(salesman, > nice guy) --Apple-Mail-1--852672561 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Personally, I'd recommend Alto Music. Their price is better than Sweetwater, even with shipping. Jon (without an "h") is the guy to talk to, he'll put you on their waiting list. www.altomusic.com TravisH On Apr 22, 2004, at 5:21 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? You can put an order at sweetwater.com, they already have a waiting list for that item. Delay time now is July 22 but if the list get long may be something will happen. Ask of Jon Gauthier...(salesman, nice guy) --Apple-Mail-1--852672561-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 21:05:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N13i124914; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:03:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:03:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200404230021.i3N0LSt16961@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200404230021.i3N0LSt16961@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--851677535 Message-Id: <0F7A5ABA-94C2-11D8-B295-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:03:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3--851677535 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I have three, from three different eras of production, and the only hardware problem I've had was one of the LED segments burning out on my earliest Oberheim model. Your Record-sometimes-acting-as-NextLoop sounds like dirt in the button or impending switch failure. Record gets used a lot, so it's going to be one of the first to go and some people have a tendency to be heavy-footed when starting their loops. The buttons are cheap and easily replaceable, the part number is in the archives. I recommend always cleaning off the footpedal after it's used in a gritty environment, such as most stages. On the old beige floorpedals you can see the dirt from your shoes accumulate over the course of a few sets. TravisH On Apr 22, 2004, at 5:21 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound > > > yes the edp creates pops when i copy loops, even when controlled from > front panel. does this necessarilly mean that the problem is not in > the footswitch? what does reseating the chips entail (how to...)? > > this seems ridiculous -- i only got mine a couple of months ago, and > already i have footswitch probs (the rec button acts as next loop > sometimes) and now this new (?) copy-loop pop problem. are all edps > so prone to malfunctions? --Apple-Mail-3--851677535 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I have three, from three different eras of production, and the only hardware problem I've had was one of the LED segments burning out on my earliest Oberheim model. Your Record-sometimes-acting-as-NextLoop sounds like dirt in the button or impending switch failure. Record gets used a lot, so it's going to be one of the first to go and some people have a tendency to be heavy-footed when starting their loops. The buttons are cheap and easily replaceable, the part number is in the archives. I recommend always cleaning off the footpedal after it's used in a gritty environment, such as most stages. On the old beige floorpedals you can see the dirt from your shoes accumulate over the course of a few sets. TravisH On Apr 22, 2004, at 5:21 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound yes the edp creates pops when i copy loops, even when controlled from front panel. does this necessarilly mean that the problem is not in the footswitch? what does reseating the chips entail (how to...)? this seems ridiculous -- i only got mine a couple of months ago, and already i have footswitch probs (the rec button acts as next loop sometimes) and now this new (?) copy-loop pop problem. are all edps so prone to malfunctions? --Apple-Mail-3--851677535-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 21:44:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N1fc831232; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:41:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:41:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a901c428d4$63c13240$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040422182906.012df330@mail.ronsound.com> Subject: Re: 16 Second Delay Reissue info Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:43:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey: Does this thing come with the footpedal I've seen on LD's Tools of the Trade link? Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald C. Neely II" To: Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: re: 16 Second Delay Reissue info > I'll see if I can get some info. I'll let you know when it's updated. > > Ron Neely II > The EH Man, All-Knowing Guru of Electro-Harmonix > Electro-Harmonix info: http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com > Home of RonSound effects: http://www.ronsound.com > fx schematics and repairs > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 22 22:28:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N2O5s03833; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:24:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:24:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <11.27830194.2db9d839@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:23:53 EDT Subject: Re: 16 Second Delay Reissue info To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1082687033" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5015 Resent-Message-ID: <7WRbq.A.u7.E5HiAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1082687033 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/22/2004 8:43:31 PM Central Standard Time, paulrichard10@knology.net writes: Hey: Does this thing come with the footpedal I've seen on LD's Tools of the Trade link? Regards, Paul No, it does not. I e-mailed the EH person who posted and he said no plans for a foot controller. Personally this negates any interest in my part. Cheers, James -------------------------------1082687033 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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              &n= bsp;               &n= bsp;             Cheers, James<= /DIV> -------------------------------1082687033-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 00:44:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N4gYi21143; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 00:42:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 00:42:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040423044232.20771.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:42:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: 16 Second Delay Reissue info To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <11.27830194.2db9d839@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about "The Controller" at http://www.ronsound.com/? If Ron Neely is building the EH16 Reissue himself and he already sells a replacement foot controller for the original, why can't he make the Reissue also compatible with his "The Controller"? Paolo --- Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/22/2004 8:43:31 PM Central > Standard Time, > paulrichard10@knology.net writes: > Hey: > > Does this thing come with the footpedal I've seen on > LD's Tools of the Trade > link? > > Regards, Paul > No, it does not. I e-mailed the EH person who > posted and he said no plans > for a foot controller. Personally this negates any > interest in my part. > > Cheers, > James > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 01:10:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N57eg25310; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 01:07:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 01:07:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040423050738.24301.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: EH 16sec delay reissue update, correction. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c428c1$dba29140$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Maneco wrote: > > > His stuff looks cool, but no sliders, and his one > > pedal that has MIDI sync has a price well over the > > EH16 Reissue's. He's definitely one to watch, > that > > said. > > I try to do my best...sorry if my best isn´t good > enough... I'm sorry you misunderstood my statements - I definitely did NOT mean to imply that your pedals suck. If you are wondering why I decided to preorder the EH16 Reissue instead of get a Manecolooper, it's because for $399, I'd get MIDI output. I'm getting more and more involved with MIDI sequencers so the MIDI was the deciding factor. My preference of sliders over knobs helped in that decision too, but it would not have been the deal-breaker by itself. And when I said you are one to watch, I meant I'm going to keep an eye on your product line, which I think looks GOOD. Greetings, Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 01:15:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N5DLO26516; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 01:13:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 01:13:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 01:19:29 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: 16 Second Delay Reissue info In-Reply-To: <11.27830194.2db9d839@aol.com> Message-ID: References: <11.27830194.2db9d839@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In a message dated 4/22/2004 8:43:31 PM Central Standard Time, > paulrichard10@knology.net writes: > Hey: > > Does this thing come with the footpedal I've seen on LD's Tools of the Trade > link? I'd heard somewhere that the reissue was going to have an optional foot controller, so when I was pre-ordering the EH 16sec reissue through my local music store Wednesday afternoon I asked my friend how much the foot controller would run. He was still on the phone with the guy at EH and asked, and was told yes, there's a foot controller for the reissue, but it's in prototype at this point in time - the EH guy said "wires sticking out the back", no idea when, no idea how much. But I believe it'll be available sometime soon. best, Steve B, Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ (next show today!) Phasmatodea http://www.subscapeannex.com/other.html (1st show 29 April) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 02:24:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N6Mxe03790; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 02:22:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 02:22:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c428fb$1b835270$ff867344@catherinkvwp76> From: "Michael and Nikki" To: Subject: EDP stumped Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 02:20:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sigh. I've read the manual. I've searched the archives. You are my only hope. SYNC=in QUANT=loop SWITCHQUANT=loop 8THS/CYCLE=8 MORE LOOPS=2 SAMPLERSTYLE=run My Alesis drum machine is sending MIDI clock, and is set to a simple 4/4 pattern. I record loop 1, no problem. I record loop 2, no problem. While playing loop one, I press NEXTLOOP. The Echoplex thinks (000), then changes flawlessly into loop 2. While playing loop 2, I press NEXTLOOP. The Echoplex thinks (000), then instead of changing at the end of loop 2, it starts loop 2 over (even says so on the LED) and gets about one or two beats into the first measure before changing back to loop 1. I am losing my mind. If it's the MIDI clock from the drum machine, then why does it change flawlessly from loop 1 into loop 2? I can just turn off the SWITCHQUANT but this means I have to tap NEXTLOOP on the proper downbeat, and I would prefer to let the EDP handle that while I'm busy adjusting my effects pedals. Help me. Please, help me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 02:25:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N6NXw03983; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 02:23:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 02:23:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200404230021.i3N0LSt16961@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200404230021.i3N0LSt16961@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: EH 16sec delay reissue update Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:23:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's the other option: uncaring/unaware. Looping isn't much of a priority for gear manufacturers, usually viewed as "icing", not "cake". Line6 doesn't make a looper--they make two delay modelers which give you fifteen replications of old delay pedals, and then threw in a Boomerang knock-off with 11/22 seconds. I think that pedal would have still been a success with just the delay models. As for Gibson, they spend more on pickup selector switches than EDP production, so it's easy for it to fall between the cracks. If Gibson was making reissues of actual tape-delay Echoplexes, maybe there'd be a big push, but as it is their flagship product is guitars made to look like they've been played for fifty years. The EDP doesn't really "fit" into their marketing. As for EH, unless there's some component that they've got a limited supply of, I'm sure they'll make more than 1000 EH-16's. Maybe the second thousand aren't signed and numbered or something. Personally, the addition of MIDI worries me, because it means they've tried to "improve" the design. People loved the old one, except for reliability issues. Once you open the design spec, you run a severe risk of neither-fish-nor-fowl. There's rumors of no footswitch, and it's already been years since they first started talking about reissuing it. Electrix had full page ads in magazines for what--six months? A year? before the Repeater finally dribbled out, trailing the guts of the company behind it. The lack of any spec from EH doesn't sound encouraging to me. Like, maybe it's not done yet. TravisH On Apr 22, 2004, at 5:21 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > well, i've said it once and i'll say it again. > > it seems as though the corporations which make the devices we use are > either cruel or stupid. EH has decided in it's infinite wisdom to > limit the EH240 (240 seconds of delay) to 1000 pcs, even though it's > already almost half-way sold out before it's own release. Gibson has > decided to stiff itself for the production of the Blackface EDP, > despite the fact that every one of them has been sold or spoken for. > Electrix shot itself in the foot by listening to it's marketing > department too much. Line6's loopers are definitely useable yet > crippled. Funny enough Roland seem to make the coolest looper > currently purchaseable, for reasons which i do not completely > understand; i believe the DD-20 was an "happy accident". > > I am looking forward to Matthias finishing his work for the Chameleon > and selling it to us. > --- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 02:48:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N6kgr08655; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 02:46:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 02:46:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040423064636.96043.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:46:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: EDP stumped To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c428fb$1b835270$ff867344@catherinkvwp76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <08RA8C.A.DHC.SvLiAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All I can think of is to make sure the EDP & Alesis are set to different midi channels. If not, the Alesis would be sending note messages as well as midi clock to the EDP. John --- Michael and Nikki wrote: > Sigh. > I've read the manual. I've searched the archives. > You are my only hope. > SYNC=in > QUANT=loop > SWITCHQUANT=loop > 8THS/CYCLE=8 > MORE LOOPS=2 > SAMPLERSTYLE=run > My Alesis drum machine is sending MIDI clock, and is > set to a simple 4/4 > pattern. > I record loop 1, no problem. I record loop 2, no > problem. While playing loop > one, I press NEXTLOOP. The Echoplex thinks (000), > then changes flawlessly > into loop 2. While playing loop 2, I press NEXTLOOP. > The Echoplex thinks > (000), then instead of changing at the end of loop > 2, it starts loop 2 over > (even says so on the LED) and gets about one or two > beats into the first > measure before changing back to loop 1. > I am losing my mind. > If it's the MIDI clock from the drum machine, then > why does it change > flawlessly from loop 1 into loop 2? > I can just turn off the SWITCHQUANT but this means I > have to tap NEXTLOOP on > the proper downbeat, and I would prefer to let the > EDP handle that while I'm > busy adjusting my effects pedals. > Help me. > Please, help me. > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 03:18:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3N7Fqd13038; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:15:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:15:40 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c42902$cbaf8e50$01fea8c0@andy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002601c428ca$c81a7b20$86c4a344@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An ex-Trace person would say, 'what a load of old rubbish'. No one has gone out of business; we still have 350 new EDPs waiting for Gibson to pay for them. It doesn't need to be 'made again' it just needs paying for. Disgraceful behaviour. -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: 23 April 2004 01:35 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? Interesting. I wonder what the Trace people in the UK would say.... :-) Any one looking for an EDP, you might want to keep on (politely) banging the Gibson door. The more noise, the more likely this product will be made again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Wellington" To: Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? > David Kirkdorffer sent me an address where I could contact Gibson. (Thanks > David!) I did, and thought I would share what I learned with the list, in > case anyone else is in the same spot I am. > > OK, I used the mail form on their web page, asking where I could get an > Echoplex, and I got a nice reply saying, "just go to your local authorized > Gibson dealer" to which I replied "gee, everybody I've talked to says they > aren't available and aren't being made. Is that true?" I haven't received > a reply to that yet... > > As I was looking around the Gibson web pages, I saw a phone number, so I > decided to call. The guy I talked to seemed pretty cool. He told me that > one of the parts suppliers had gone out of business and that they were > negotiating with a new supplier. He seemed to think they would go back into > production in 30-60 days. He suggested that I call a dealer and get my name > on a waiting list... > > OK, at this point, I'm officially in a holding pattern and will wait until > the middle of June before trying again... > > -Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 06:27:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NAPjL05397; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:25:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:25:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040423102538.20270.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:25:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c42902$cbaf8e50$01fea8c0@andy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The problem is they just keep answering with "contact your local dealer" they don´t even hear or pay attention to what we are saying! cheers Luis > Any one looking for an EDP, you might want to keep > on (politely) banging > the > Gibson door. The more noise, the more likely this > product will be made > again. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Wellington" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? > > > > David Kirkdorffer sent me an address where I could > contact Gibson. > (Thanks > > David!) I did, and thought I would share what I > learned with the > list, in > > case anyone else is in the same spot I am. > > > > OK, I used the mail form on their web page, asking > where I could get > an > > Echoplex, and I got a nice reply saying, "just go > to your local > authorized > > Gibson dealer" to which I replied "gee, everybody > I've talked to says > they > > aren't available and aren't being made. Is that > true?" I haven't > received > > a reply to that yet... > > > > As I was looking around the Gibson web pages, I > saw a phone number, so > I > > decided to call. The guy I talked to seemed > pretty cool. He told me > that > > one of the parts suppliers had gone out of > business and that they were > > negotiating with a new supplier. He seemed to > think they would go > back > into > > production in 30-60 days. He suggested that I > call a dealer and get > my > name > > on a waiting list... > > > > OK, at this point, I'm officially in a holding > pattern and will wait > until > > the middle of June before trying again... > > > > -Doug > > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 08:30:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NCT6V22206; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:29:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:29:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:28:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2004 12:29:00.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E15E310:01C4292E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >yes the edp creates pops when i copy loops, even when controlled from front >panel. does this necessarilly mean that the problem is not in the >footswitch? what does reseating the chips entail (how to...)? If the edp pops when your footswitch isnt even connected i think we can rule it out as the source of the problem (for now) . If you choose to re-seat the chips, do so at your own risk and with a little caution it shouldnt be a problem. unplug the EDP fromthe wall socket. undo the top of the edp and slide it off, look for the memory chips, (the long thin ones that look like (and are) computer RAM. and the two chips with Loop.....and the version number on it (should be on a little sticker on the top of the chips. now before you touch anything ground yourself to remove any charge in your hands only use one hand as a time, now gentally push on the memory and the Loop chips to make them fit snug, having made sure they arent disconnected or at an angle etc....put it all back togeather, turn on whilst holding down perameters to make sure you re-initiallise the hardware, give it a try and see what happens. if this fails I would probably try running a sample from a cd plaer or something like that through the edp to check that the problem isnt with the grounding of your instrument. if this fails then im at a loss and you will have to ask someone more experienced then me to feild your questions. good luck Phill _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 08:37:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NCYUr23705; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:34:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:34:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1082723667!11502704 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708534297@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: peater trick Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:34:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4292F.44718AB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4292F.44718AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I thought I'd share with everyone a trick that's easily set up on a repeater if it's working with aux sends on a mixer:- with the overdub level turned right down & "dry muted", I set the unit recording a short loop & playing back through the aux send on the repeater's channel of the desk, back into the repeater. careful not to overload here. then I adjusted the pitch of the loop while it was recording... each successive repeat changes pitch cumulatively. so the net effect is of a decaying repeat-echo that sounds like it's slowing down but is actually just going down in pitch. or up, if that's how you've set it. I guess you could send continuous pitch change commands from a locked sequencer, or have the repeats change pitch by musically relevant intervals even, under midi control, but I just used the front panel pitch tweakage. this still works while the unit is recording, btw, but you don't get to see the interval indication unless you drop out into play. I stumbled across this while using the repeater as a straightforward stereo echo; using it with a desk really opens up all sorts of possibilities that aren't perhaps as obvious as it's standalone loopiness. cumulative changes to any aspect of the recording are possible, such as eq'ing & distorting the contents on successive passes to emulate or even parody tape delay artefacts. adding more & more reverb to the audio on each pass so the repeats "back away". it's a right laugh. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4292F.44718AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: peater trick

I thought I'd shar= e with everyone a trick that's easily set up on a repeater if it's working = with aux sends on a mixer:-

with the overdub l= evel turned right down & "dry muted", I set the unit recordin= g a short loop & playing back through the aux send on the repeater's ch= annel of the desk, back into the repeater. careful not to overload here.

then I adjusted th= e pitch of the loop while it was recording... each successive repeat change= s pitch cumulatively. so the net effect is of a decaying repeat-echo that s= ounds like it's slowing down but is actually just going down in pitch. or u= p, if that's how you've set it.

I guess you could = send continuous pitch change commands from a locked sequencer, or have the = repeats change pitch by musically relevant intervals even, under midi contr= ol, but I just used the front panel pitch tweakage. this still works while = the unit is recording, btw, but you don't get to see the interval indicatio= n unless you drop out into play.

I stumbled across = this while using the repeater as a straightforward stereo echo; using it wi= th a desk really opens up all sorts of possibilities that aren't perhaps as= obvious as it's standalone loopiness. cumulative changes to any aspect of = the recording are possible, such as eq'ing & distorting the contents on= successive passes to emulate or even parody tape delay artefacts. adding m= ore & more reverb to the audio on each pass so the repeats "back a= way". it's a right laugh.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4292F.44718AB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 08:41:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NCdc924617; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:39:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:39:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040423073031.02b56e38@mail.ronsound.com> X-Sender: theehman@mail.ronsound.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:35:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Ronald C. Neely II" Subject: RE: 16 Second Delay Reissue info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at bluemarble.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Let me explain something. I have nothing to do with the 16 Second Digital Delay reissue. Nothing! I am not building them or having them built for me. They are being reissued by EH and I am just taking advance orders for them. As stated by another poster, I do make repro footswitches for the original delay, but at this point it is unknown whether they'll work with the reissues. I was also told by EH that a reissue footswitch was in planning stages and may be available later. When and if it becomes available, I will be offering it to buyers as well. Any other questions?? I'll try to get some more info today. 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Show #370 April 22, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Alpha Wave Movement. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Transcendence" on Harmonic Resonance Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "CON 3" by Conrad Schnitzler on Sky Records. Alpha Wave Movement - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#apr PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Conrad Schnitzler Komm Mit Nach Berlin CON 3 (Sky Records) Jean Michel Jarre Je Me Souviens Metamorphosis (Dreyfus) cyberCHUMP Signals Scientists in the Trees (Internal Combustion) Skin Mechanix Ultravista The Secret Life of Angels (InfectionMusic) Various Artists Nipton Meditation Ricochet Gathering - Mojave 2003 (Ricochet Dream) Craig Padilla Moon Tides Genesis (Spotted Peccary) Rogue Element Beyond Cerberus Premonition (Acoustic Wave) 12:00 am dac Crowell * (0:00 to 6:40) Harmundum (Suilven) Alpha Wave Movement The Passage of Moments Transcendence (HRR) Alpha Wave Movement Transcendences Transcendence (HRR) Alpha Wave Movement Melting Boundaries Transcendence (HRR) Alpha Wave Movement Terra Nocturna Transcendence (HRR) Alpha Wave Movement Artifacts and Prophecies Transcendence (HRR) Alpha Wave Movement Gateway Transcendence (HRR) Alpha Wave Movement Veil of the Twilight Transcendence (HRR) Moon 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Alpha Wave Movement. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Cosmology" on Groove Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Blackdance" by Klaus Schulze on Virgin Records. I will play the music of Radio Massacre International, a trio from the UK, who will be performing at the Gatherings on May 8. I will also play some music to highlight the Philadelphia Electronic Music and Art Festival on May 1 and 2. Details are at http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 10:53:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NEnBw17122; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:49:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:49:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40892C7D.2000709@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:47:25 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Paul Mimlitsch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9MApzB.A.bLE.nzSiAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the public notice. But email to Paul is bouncing. Paul, please let me know your current address. pmimlitsch@aol.com no longer works. Cheers, Bill Fox -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:25:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: The original message was received at Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:16:50 -0400 (EDT) from newmx2.fast.net [209.92.1.32] *** ATTENTION *** Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its delivery. The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----". The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----". The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could not be delivered. The next line contains a second error message which is a general translation for other e-mail servers. 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User unknown From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 11:30:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NFPfR22379; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:25:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:25:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: works in progress and audio Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQpAsxzd89T7trQTWmd1artWT6XwgAQj6WA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20040423152534.MOJB1600.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks very much, Per. For me, there's much to learn about audio! I'll check out your works in progress. Thanks for the link. Tom PS: I can't e-mail you directly. I've been getting this message? A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: boysen@mail.ettnet.se (ultimately generated from per@boysen.se) -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 12:16 AM To: Tom Rex Subject: Re: what's everybody doing with Ableton Live? On 04-04-23 02.29, "Tom Rex" wrote: > The business one would be fun to play at a management meeting about losing > your corporate strategic advantage. Is that what you wrote it for? It's done in preparation for an album that is going to be released by a company that usually does education in corporate management strategies. They want to sponsor art :-) The speaker is David Cowley, Brittish economist. I recorded his one hour speech and then I'm creating music to fit with his voice. Very fun!!!! Work-under-progress mp3s for this project are constantly published at http://www.boysen.se/nodenrecordings/ > I called M-Audio, and they suggested to plug the synths directly into the > sound card and out through the mixer. Since the Delta 66 has only 2 stereo > in, I've been thinking of upgrading to either the Delta 1010, or a firewire > interface. > > Tom Or you might assemble your outboards on a little physical pre mixer before going Left/Right into the sound card. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 11:33:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NFWJv23761; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:32:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:32:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:32:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQpA2bTfSmAj9I3QFqbe7KOYbgxwwARJrKg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <000e01c42902$cbaf8e50$01fea8c0@andy> Message-Id: <20040423153213.ZFQ15386.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe, we should all form a joint venture, and buy them out for Gibson! Tom -----Original Message----- From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 12:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? An ex-Trace person would say, 'what a load of old rubbish'. No one has gone out of business; we still have 350 new EDPs waiting for Gibson to pay for them. It doesn't need to be 'made again' it just needs paying for. Disgraceful behaviour. -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: 23 April 2004 01:35 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? Interesting. I wonder what the Trace people in the UK would say.... :-) Any one looking for an EDP, you might want to keep on (politely) banging the Gibson door. The more noise, the more likely this product will be made again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Wellington" To: Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? > David Kirkdorffer sent me an address where I could contact Gibson. (Thanks > David!) I did, and thought I would share what I learned with the list, in > case anyone else is in the same spot I am. > > OK, I used the mail form on their web page, asking where I could get an > Echoplex, and I got a nice reply saying, "just go to your local authorized > Gibson dealer" to which I replied "gee, everybody I've talked to says they > aren't available and aren't being made. Is that true?" I haven't received > a reply to that yet... > > As I was looking around the Gibson web pages, I saw a phone number, so I > decided to call. The guy I talked to seemed pretty cool. He told me that > one of the parts suppliers had gone out of business and that they were > negotiating with a new supplier. He seemed to think they would go back into > production in 30-60 days. He suggested that I call a dealer and get my name > on a waiting list... > > OK, at this point, I'm officially in a holding pattern and will wait until > the middle of June before trying again... > > -Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 12:49:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NGkwM00914; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:46:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:46:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040423094250.06bc3b90@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:51:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: problem edp- next- copy sound In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi- You really need to explain the problem more completely to get a good answer. For instance, explain what parameter settings you used, the exact sequence of events to reproduce it, if you are using midi to control or not, sync, etc. I haven't heard of pops from loopcopy before, so it doesn't seem like a normal thing, but maybe we can figure out what is going on for you. kim >>yes the edp creates pops when i copy loops, even when controlled from >>front panel. does this necessarilly mean that the problem is not in the >>footswitch? what does reseating the chips entail (how to...)? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 12:50:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NGlYb01009; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:47:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:47:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Mike Hunter" To: Subject: Gig spam - Ombient Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:47:32 -0400 Message-ID: <005001c42952$ac9f3ab0$0e00a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C42931.258D9AB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [141.150.203.237] at Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:47:32 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C42931.258D9AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be performing my live looping guitar/Warr touch guitar soundscapes at the Philadelphia Electronic Music and Arts Festival on May 2nd at 6:15pm - 7pm and then follow by performing with the improv ambient/space rock group "Brainstatik" directly following my solo performance. http://www.pemafest.fkon.com <--- Festival website http://ombient.homeip.net:8002/ <--- Ombient web site (for now...) http://www.brainstatik.com Mike Hunter - Ombient Mike Hunter ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C42931.258D9AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 
I'll  be=20 performing my live looping guitar/Warr touch guitar soundscapes at the=20 Philadelphia Electronic Music and Arts Festival on May 2nd at 6:15pm - = 7pm and=20 then follow by performing with the improv ambient/space rock group=20 "Brainstatik" directly following my solo = performance.
 
http://www.pemafest.fkon.com&n= bsp;=20 <--- Festival website
 
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http://www.brainstatik.com =

Mike Hunter -=20 Ombient

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------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C42931.258D9AB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 14:13:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NI6O513467; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:06:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:06:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.127.210.10] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708534297@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: peater trick Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:06:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2004 18:06:14.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAE04BA0:01C4295D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds really cool! Is there any way to get this "successive" pitching of the loop without using a mixer to patch some of the output back to the input? I'll have to try it out and check out the effect. It seems like you could get a ping pong type delay if you patch the left output back into the right input and vice-versa... Wow, this really opens up some new ideas! Jon > then I adjusted the pitch of the loop while it was recording... each successive repeat changes pitch cumulatively. so the net effect is of a decaying repeat-echo that sounds like it's slowing down but is actually just going down in pitch. or up, if that's how you've set it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 14:35:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NIV9F17344; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:31:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:31:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: New Looper CD Release: Krispen Hartung - "Places" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:30:57 -0600 Message-ID: <000201c42961$224106f0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4292E.D7A696F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200404081922.i38JMrL05540@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4292E.D7A696F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all - I recently joined your email list and reviewed many of your personal web pages and sound clips on the Looper's Delight Profile page. I am completely blown away and in awe by the talent, creativity, and breadth of diversity you guys have to offer to the music industry. Looping is a wonderful vehicle for artistic expression! That being said, I would like to present my recent contribution to the looper community: I am very excited to announce the release of "Places," an inevitable consequence of my 24 years of guitar playing, an infatuation with experimental/improvisational music, and a performance & composition background in jazz, avant-garde, and improvisational rock. "Places" was recorded live in the studio with no overdubbing or multi-tracking. All songs were spontaneously composed and recorded in one take with the following gear: - DigiDesign mBox and Pro Tools LE software - Compaq Presario 2525US notebook - RNC 1773 Stereo Compressor - Taylor 310-CE acoustic guitar (recorded direct) - Boomerang Plus Phrase Sampler - Ernie Ball Stereo Volume/Pan pedal - Boss GT-3 Guitar Effect Processor View supplementary CD notes, sample sound clips, mini videos, and more at my new web site: http://www.krispenhartung.com On sale at these online locations: My Website (via PayPal): http://www.krispenhartung.com Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/ (available now.search for "Krispen Hartung") CD Baby: http://www.cdbaby.com/ (available on May 5) I would be delighted to respond to any of your questions, or receive your comments, observations, or critiques of my music. Cheers, and happy looping! Krispen Hartung Boise, Idaho info@krispenhartung.com 1.208.724.5603 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4292E.D7A696F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Looper CD Release: Krispen Hartung - = "Places"

Hello all –

I recently joined your email list and = reviewed many of your personal web pages and sound clips on the Looper's = Delight Profile page.  I am completely blown away and in awe by the = talent, creativity, and breadth of diversity you guys have to offer to = the music industry. Looping is a wonderful vehicle for artistic = expression!  That being said, I would like to present my recent = contribution to the looper community:

I am very excited to announce the = release of "Places," an inevitable consequence of my 24 years = of guitar playing, an infatuation with experimental/improvisational = music, and a performance & composition background in jazz, = avant-garde, and improvisational rock. 

"Places" was recorded live = in the studio with no overdubbing or multi-tracking.  All songs = were spontaneously composed and recorded in one take with the following = gear:

- DigiDesign mBox and Pro Tools LE = software
- Compaq Presario 2525US notebook
- RNC 1773 Stereo Compressor
- Taylor 310-CE acoustic guitar (recorded direct)
- Boomerang Plus Phrase Sampler
- Ernie Ball Stereo Volume/Pan pedal
- Boss GT-3 Guitar Effect Processor

View supplementary CD notes, sample = sound clips, mini videos, and more at my new web site: http://www.krispenhartung.com

On sale at these online = locations:

My Website (via PayPal): http://www.krispenhartung.com
Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/ (available now…search for "Krispen = Hartung")
CD Baby: http://www.cdbaby.com/ (available on May 5)

I would be delighted to respond to = any of your questions, or receive your comments, observations, or = critiques of my music.

Cheers, and happy looping!

Krispen Hartung
Boise, Idaho
info@krispenhartung.com
1.208.724.5603

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4292E.D7A696F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 14:52:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NIlq620499; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:47:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:47:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:34:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: EDP multitap feature Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis dreams: >My big wish for future EDP software is a "tapped looper" mode, where >you can set the number of repeats exactly, and be able to set the >feedback level for each tap (usually two or three). What I'd like >is to have two or three repeats at close to 100% of the live >instrument level so I can do canon/fugue type things (I can never >remember the difference between the two concepts). > this was one of the first idea that came from a LOOP delay client in 93. While technically not difficult to do, I had no idea how to control it. it asks for a different memory structure which will allow a myriad of things, but as usual asks for a handy way to operate. ( people complain rather about complexity than the lack of features :-) So, how did you imagine you would operate that? could it still be improvised? a parameter could - either select another MultiplyMode, where the number of presses of Multiply button would define how many repetitions you get - or select the number of repetitions directly but you also want to set the level of each tap (do you really mean feedback?) - how could that be controlled? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 15:02:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NJ06v22821; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:00:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:00:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200404231900.i3NJ05p22799@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EDP multitap feature Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:00:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQpZBw27sZ8vDi9R16bbIrS/eNp6gAAGLpg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This would be a neat addition to delay mode And let the MIDI foot controllers control delay time and the level or volume of the repeats? >So, how did you imagine you would operate that? >could it still be improvised? >a parameter could >- either select another MultiplyMode, where the number of presses of Multiply button would define how many repetitions you get >- or select the number of repetitions directly >but you also want to set the level of each tap (do you really mean >feedback?) - how could that be controlled? >-- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 16:06:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NK49a02452; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:04:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:04:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040423200402.87263.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: RE: peater trick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200404231835.i3NIZ9G18029@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4GVYsC.A.Im.5aXiAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Duncan, It actually has been posted here before, though not as eloquently as you just did. Perhaps because of that I never got around to trying it until just now. I found that I really have to watch the gain staging to find out where best to tweak the gain. I've got my 'Peater input patched through my 16 channel Mackie via sub outs 3 & 4. Any channel with 3 & 4 engaged gets sent to the 'Peater. 'Peater comes back into the Mackie on 2 input channels. After a bit of tweaking, it seems that the best place to control gain is on the sub out 3 & 4 faders. Alternately, I suppose I could do the same on the front panel input knob on the 'Peater, though I like to set it for "optimal" and leave it there. Then adjusting feedback to 50% or less and making the loop really short gives me a good handle on controlling the beast. When not in record, I have great control over exact interval tuning choice, down to the nearest cent. For example, try setting the transpose function to any one of a number of "just" intervals, like 2.31 or 2.67 (the ratios 8/7 and 7/6 respectively). Then I go "chasing" after the pitch rise with my ribbon controller (Kurzweil ExpressionMate)... fun! Thanks again Duncan for a clear exposition of this fantastic beast. Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 16:24:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NKHF404570; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:17:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:17:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: peater trick Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:14:50 -0600 Message-ID: <000401c4296f$a21154d0$5b0710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fun!!! It's great hear about ideas like this! Seems like a short step to patching the repeater and other processors into the same kind of feedback aux loop together, which quickly gets dangerous ... haven't really tried that yet, but now I think my vortex and repeater are going to do some exchanging that they haven't done before. *wiggles toes* I'm now thinking of setting up two different mono fx in the vortex, one for each of two input channels from the mixer, and crossfeeding the outputs back to the repeater. Enable the FX inserts on two of the four tracks, and patch the Repeater fx inserts into the mixer along with the mains, hit a note and stand back! LOL! -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wagner [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 12:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: peater trick That sounds really cool! Is there any way to get this "successive" pitching of the loop without using a mixer to patch some of the output back to the input? I'll have to try it out and check out the effect. It seems like you could get a ping pong type delay if you patch the left output back into the right input and vice-versa... Wow, this really opens up some new ideas! Jon > then I adjusted the pitch of the loop while it was recording... each successive repeat changes pitch cumulatively. so the net effect is of a decaying repeat-echo that sounds like it's slowing down but is actually just going down in pitch. or up, if that's how you've set it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 17:08:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3NL5fb14668; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:05:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:05:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040423210608.13036.qmail@hostserver150.com> Reply-To: "The EH Man" From: "The EH Man" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New 16 Second Digital Delay info Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:06:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b5d85c5bfd0186a1b246108abdc61320a" X-Mailer: WebMail 2.3 X-Originating-IP: 216.36.87.193 X-Originating-Email: theehman@ronsound.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --_b5d85c5bfd0186a1b246108abdc61320a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not a lot of new details, but it's better than nothing. While it's still named "16 Second Digital Delay", it will actually have 4 to 5 minutes of delay time available. The original designer of the 16SDD, Dave Cockerell, is the engineer working on the reissue. I expect it to be pretty much the same as the original. Dave is also the man behind the Synthi Hi-Fli. The footswitch will be available in August or September. The Controller that I build may work with the reissue, but at this time it's unknown if it will use the same switching system. I will test it when the new units arrive and let the buyers know. More info will be made available to me in the future and with the permission of LD members I will post it here as it arrives. --_b5d85c5bfd0186a1b246108abdc61320a Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not a lot of new details, but it's better than nothing.

While it's still named "16 Second Digital Delay", it will actually have 4 to 5 minutes of delay time available. The original designer of the 16SDD, Dave Cockerell, is the engineer working on the reissue. I expect it to be pretty much the same as the original. Dave is also the man behind the Synthi Hi-Fli.
The footswitch will be available in August or September. The Controller that I build may work with the reissue, but at this time it's unknown if it will use the same switching system. I will test it when the new units arrive and let the buyers know.

More info will be made available to me in the future and with the permission of LD members I will post it here as it arrives.
--_b5d85c5bfd0186a1b246108abdc61320a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 22:49:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3O2lb524268; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:47:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:47:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: EDP Sync with MPC 1000 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:47:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have my EchoPlex synced to my MPC 1000 with beat clock. It stays locked if I just record one loop and leave it at that. But what fun is that? if I copy that loop to a second loop to add material and then switch back to the first loop, it has strayed. The beat clock light in the bottom right still shows the accurate pulses from the MPC 1000 but the loop is off as well as the Flashing light that indicates the loops beginning. Any suggestions? I can't perform live with this set up if this is as reliable as it gets. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 22:58:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3O2vGF25548; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:57:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:57:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.1ea10083.2dbb3183@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:57:07 EDT Subject: Re: peater trick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e2.1ea10083.2dbb3183_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e2.1ea10083.2dbb3183_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow.....is this what we have come to?.....i'm reading these posts and seeing them in my head and thinking, "OKEE-DOKEE!".....thanks to all for keepin me grounded in reality!.....michael p.s. i don't even have a peater!......so there!.....:) --part1_1e2.1ea10083.2dbb3183_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow....= .is this what we have come to?.....i'm reading these posts and seeing them i= n my head and thinking, "OKEE-DOKEE!".....thanks to all for keepin me ground= ed in reality!.....michael
p.s. i don't even have a peater!......so there!.....:) --part1_1e2.1ea10083.2dbb3183_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 23:21:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3O3KSN28360; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:20:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:20:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708534297@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708534297@LON-MAIL07> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <54225CFC-959E-11D8-8426-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: peater trick Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:20:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at grics.net Resent-Message-ID: <_uWYV.A.A7G.8zdiAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Apr 23, 2004, at 7:34 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > then I adjusted the pitch of the loop while it was recording... each > successive repeat changes pitch cumulatively. so the net effect is of > a decaying repeat-echo that sounds like it's slowing down but is > actually just going down in pitch. or up, if that's how you've set it. yeah regurgitive loop processing is the shit. totally. if i ever buy a DSP7500 it'll be so i can do that on four seperate stereo loops in one box. one of the main reasons i want a Mark Of The Unicorn 828mkII is so i can do that with my PCM-80 and H3000. it's one of the three or four primary signal paths i want. the way i did it with the repeater and the Digitech Studio 400 involved sending the signal into the Studio 400 through the balanced input, out the unbalanced into the Repeater, out of the Repeater into the main unbalanced inputs of the 400, then out of the 400's balanced outputs back into my mixer. it was funny to look at the back of the Studio 400 and see EVERY socket filled with something. i had to have dry mute on and feedback at 0%, but it worked. when i got it done i called Kevin Simonson and told him about it and he said "Eric, you wired an organism. has it overthrown you as owner of the studio yet?" --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 23:28:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3O3RHN29365; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:27:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:27:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c429ac$058da860$ff867344@catherinkvwp76> From: "Michael and Nikki" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP Sync with MPC 1000 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:27:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm having a similar problem. My EDP is synced to an Alesis drum machine with MIDI clock, and my SWITCHQUANT parameter is set to LOOP. It will move from the first loop to the second flawlessly. When I go back from the second to the first, however, the second loop restarts then changes back to the first after a few beats. This throws the time out. Someone responded to my post and said I should make sure the drum machine and EDP were set to different MIDI channels, otherwise the drum machine could also be sending note messages. As soon as I figure out what that means I'll try it. Maybe it applies to your problem. Good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Metzler" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 10:47 PM Subject: EDP Sync with MPC 1000 > I have my EchoPlex synced to my MPC 1000 with beat clock. It stays > locked if I just record one loop and leave it at that. But what fun is > that? if I copy that loop to a second loop to add material and then > switch back to the first loop, it has strayed. The beat clock light > in the bottom right still shows the accurate pulses from the MPC 1000 > but the loop is off as well as the Flashing light that indicates the > loops beginning. Any suggestions? I can't perform live with this > set up if this is as reliable as it gets. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 23 23:58:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3O3ueh32300; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:56:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:56:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040424035633.35955.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:56:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: EDP Sync with MPC 1000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001101c429ac$058da860$ff867344@catherinkvwp76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You don't have to have the Alesis & EDP set to the same midi channel for the EDP to receive midi clock. If they are set to the same channel, the EDP might be seeing midi note messages from the drum machine as well. Since the EDP is capable of using midi notes to control its functions, it might behave in a way that you do not intend it to. John --- Michael and Nikki wrote: > I'm having a similar problem. My EDP is synced to an > Alesis drum machine > with MIDI clock, and my SWITCHQUANT parameter is set > to LOOP. It will move > from the first loop to the second flawlessly. When I > go back from the second > to the first, however, the second loop restarts then > changes back to the > first after a few beats. This throws the time out. > Someone responded to my post and said I should make > sure the drum machine > and EDP were set to different MIDI channels, > otherwise the drum machine > could also be sending note messages. > As soon as I figure out what that means I'll try it. > Maybe it applies to your problem. > Good luck ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 24 00:36:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3O4ZV304427; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:35:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:35:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c429b5$78626430$ff867344@catherinkvwp76> From: "Michael and Nikki" To: References: <20040424035633.35955.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: thanks, John Tidwell Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:34:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for responding, John! I got your previous post, and I intend to try it out this weekend. I'm new to looping and even newer to anything MIDI, so I'll spend some time with the Alesis manual to try and figure out the MIDI channel thing. All I did with the drum machine was connect a cord from the MIDI out on the Alesis to the MIDI in on the EDP. This is sadly the extent of my MIDI experience. I do greatly appreciate your giving me a direction to look in. I was really at my wits end. Thanks again! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:56 PM Subject: Re: EDP Sync with MPC 1000 > You don't have to have the Alesis & EDP set to the > same midi channel for the EDP to receive midi clock. > If they are set to the same channel, the EDP might > be seeing midi note messages from the drum machine > as well. Since the EDP is capable of using midi notes > to control its functions, it might behave in a way > that you do not intend it to. > > John > > --- Michael and Nikki wrote: > > I'm having a similar problem. My EDP is synced to an > > Alesis drum machine > > with MIDI clock, and my SWITCHQUANT parameter is set > > to LOOP. It will move > > from the first loop to the second flawlessly. When I > > go back from the second > > to the first, however, the second loop restarts then > > changes back to the > > first after a few beats. This throws the time out. > > Someone responded to my post and said I should make > > sure the drum machine > > and EDP were set to different MIDI channels, > > otherwise the drum machine > > could also be sending note messages. > > As soon as I figure out what that means I'll try it. > > Maybe it applies to your problem. > > Good luck > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 24 01:23:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3O5MPV11153; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:22:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:22:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 03:26:34 +1000 Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: cameronstreet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040423102538.20270.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <5E1488C2-954B-11D8-973B-0030656ECA5E@optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3O5MNp11114 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard something that may or may not be true. That Fender bought out Gibson? If it's true, this may be holding things up. ?? I also noticed Trace Elliot really died in the ass recently, and Gibson owns Trace. ??? Who really know's ???? > The problem is they just keep answering with "contact > your local dealer" they don¥t even hear or pay > attention to what we are saying! > cheers > Luis > > > > >> Any one looking for an EDP, you might want to keep >> on (politely) banging >> the >> Gibson door. The more noise, the more likely this >> product will be made >> again. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Doug Wellington" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:16 PM >> Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? >> >> >>> David Kirkdorffer sent me an address where I could >> contact Gibson. >> (Thanks >>> David!) I did, and thought I would share what I >> learned with the >> list, in >>> case anyone else is in the same spot I am. >>> >>> OK, I used the mail form on their web page, asking >> where I could get >> an >>> Echoplex, and I got a nice reply saying, "just go >> to your local >> authorized >>> Gibson dealer" to which I replied "gee, everybody >> I've talked to says >> they >>> aren't available and aren't being made. Is that >> true?" I haven't >> received >>> a reply to that yet... >>> >>> As I was looking around the Gibson web pages, I >> saw a phone number, so >> I >>> decided to call. The guy I talked to seemed >> pretty cool. He told me >> that >>> one of the parts suppliers had gone out of >> business and that they were >>> negotiating with a new supplier. He seemed to >> think they would go >> back >> into >>> production in 30-60 days. He suggested that I >> call a dealer and get >> my >> name >>> on a waiting list... >>> >>> OK, at this point, I'm officially in a holding >> pattern and will wait >> until >>> the middle of June before trying again... >>> >>> -Doug >>> >>> >> >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 24 01:26:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3O5PfE12405; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:25:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:25:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c429d6$1a75bb80$6700a8c0@yew> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: , References: Subject: Re: EDP Sync with MPC 1000 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:09:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John- You've got it synced with "beat clock?" Do you mean Beat Sync, or MIDI Clock? What follows assumes you mean MIDI Clock. The EDP can't maintain sync when it's in Overdub mode. So either overdub inside of the loop's start and end points, or use the ReAlign DirectMIDI command to sync it back up with the clock. It shouldn't stray noticably if you just do one or two passes in Overdub, but it may continue to shift out of phase as it repeats. I have a button on my MIDI foot pedal set to send the ReAlign command (see your LoopIV manual for the Source# offset). It's kind of a drag, but that's the way the thing works. You get used to it. Or you don't use it. Alternately, I don't know about the MPC1000, but in my sequencer (Sonar) when you highlight a four bar region to loop, it defaults to the selection (Measure:Beat:Tick) 1:1:000 - 5:1:000. If you loop a selection like this, sending MIDI Clock to the EDP it will drift. You have to manually change the selection region to 1:1:000 - 4:4:119 (assuming you're using 120 ticks per beat) and then it will stay in sync. Don't ask me why. Maybe you can manually set the region on the MPC, if it's not set right. Obviously, Sync needs to = In. Also, maybe try setting the SwitchQuant to CYC instead of LOP. Also (this is a longshot) maybe try setting the mode to STA, instead of RUN, if indeed that's what it's set to... If nothing here helps, then send a complete list of all your EDP's parameters for the rest of the list to scrutinize. Good luck. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Metzler" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: EDP Sync with MPC 1000 > I have my EchoPlex synced to my MPC 1000 with beat clock. It stays > locked if I just record one loop and leave it at that. But what fun is > that? if I copy that loop to a second loop to add material and then > switch back to the first loop, it has strayed. The beat clock light > in the bottom right still shows the accurate pulses from the MPC 1000 > but the loop is off as well as the Flashing light that indicates the > loops beginning. Any suggestions? I can't perform live with this > set up if this is as reliable as it gets. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 24 01:38:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3O5bVg13843; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:37:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:37:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <5E1488C2-954B-11D8-973B-0030656ECA5E@optusnet.com.au> References: <5E1488C2-954B-11D8-973B-0030656ECA5E@optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <7843F240-95B1-11D8-95E8-000393D7CC50@mac.com> From: John Metzler Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:37:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3O5bVp13819 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yea, frustrating isn't this. I have been waiting for over half a year for them to be available again. I've been waiting for gibson to get back to me for months. I asked Kim why they don't make it anymore and he said, "Where'd you hear that?" .... everywhere I ask. On Apr 23, 2004, at 1:26 PM, cameronstreet wrote: > I heard something that may or may not be true. > > That Fender bought out Gibson? If it's true, this may be holding > things up. > ?? > I also noticed Trace Elliot really died in the ass recently, and Gibson > owns Trace. ??? > Who really know's > ???? > > >> The problem is they just keep answering with "contact >> your local dealer" they don¥t even hear or pay >> attention to what we are saying! >> cheers >> Luis >> >> >> >> >>> Any one looking for an EDP, you might want to keep >>> on (politely) banging >>> the >>> Gibson door. The more noise, the more likely this >>> product will be made >>> again. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Doug Wellington" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:16 PM >>> Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? >>> >>> >>>> David Kirkdorffer sent me an address where I could >>> contact Gibson. >>> (Thanks >>>> David!) I did, and thought I would share what I >>> learned with the >>> list, in >>>> case anyone else is in the same spot I am. >>>> >>>> OK, I used the mail form on their web page, asking >>> where I could get >>> an >>>> Echoplex, and I got a nice reply saying, "just go >>> to your local >>> authorized >>>> Gibson dealer" to which I replied "gee, everybody >>> I've talked to says >>> they >>>> aren't available and aren't being made. Is that >>> true?" I haven't >>> received >>>> a reply to that yet... >>>> >>>> As I was looking around the Gibson web pages, I >>> saw a phone number, so >>> I >>>> decided to call. The guy I talked to seemed >>> pretty cool. He told me >>> that >>>> one of the parts suppliers had gone out of >>> business and that they were >>>> negotiating with a new supplier. He seemed to >>> think they would go >>> back >>> into >>>> production in 30-60 days. He suggested that I >>> call a dealer and get >>> my >>> name >>>> on a waiting list... >>>> >>>> OK, at this point, I'm officially in a holding >>> pattern and will wait >>> until >>>> the middle of June before trying again... >>>> >>>> -Doug >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ===== >> www.luis-angulo.com >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ >> http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 24 01:41:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3O5dtH14191; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:39:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:39:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040424053945.41928.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:39:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Luis Angulo live in Brescia Italy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <194.27980c34.2db8d70e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, I finally got around to put some of the live loops i recently performed in Italy.While playing i felt quite exhausted and unconcentrated after driving almost 9 hours from Germany without having much time to relax before the show and i was having problems trying to set the right levels,but listening now to the recorded performance i did manage to hit a couple of notes right;-) The track "Cajita de musica" (version 2)is the one that sounds the most descent in my opinion,unfortunately others distort but oh well thats live... I did minor edits like fade ins and outs to avoid boring you but what you hear is basically what you got Anyway i am open to your comments but dont kill me;-) here you go: http://www.luis-angulo.com/loopers_gallery2.htm Ciao Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 24 09:09:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3OD7V811320; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:07:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:07:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <148.27d58797.2dbbc08a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:07:22 EDT Subject: Re: RE: EDP multitap feature To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So until the magic hardware appears. The easy way to get 3 distinct repeats and no more is to use 2 delays in series (output of one into input of the other) both delays to have 0% feedback, wet/dry mix @ 50% and one of them is to have twice the delay of another. (doesn't matter which is first) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 24 12:21:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3OGJ7a10999; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:19:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:19:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:19:03 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c42a17$dd915480$0300000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5E1488C2-954B-11D8-973B-0030656ECA5E@optusnet.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3OGJ6p10972 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, Gibson lost Trace Elliot in an auction set up by the liquidators. The brand is now owned by Cliff Cooper of Orange Amplification. Nice one Cliff! I heard that Henry wasn't too happy about it. -----Original Message----- From: cameronstreet [mailto:cameronstreet@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 23 April 2004 18:27 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? I heard something that may or may not be true. That Fender bought out Gibson? If it's true, this may be holding things up. ?? I also noticed Trace Elliot really died in the ass recently, and Gibson owns Trace. ??? Who really know's ???? > The problem is they just keep answering with "contact > your local dealer" they don¥t even hear or pay > attention to what we are saying! > cheers > Luis > > > > >> Any one looking for an EDP, you might want to keep >> on (politely) banging >> the >> Gibson door. The more noise, the more likely this >> product will be made >> again. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Doug Wellington" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:16 PM >> Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? >> >> >>> David Kirkdorffer sent me an address where I could >> contact Gibson. >> (Thanks >>> David!) I did, and thought I would share what I >> learned with the >> list, in >>> case anyone else is in the same spot I am. >>> >>> OK, I used the mail form on their web page, asking >> where I could get >> an >>> Echoplex, and I got a nice reply saying, "just go >> to your local >> authorized >>> Gibson dealer" to which I replied "gee, everybody >> I've talked to says >> they >>> aren't available and aren't being made. Is that >> true?" I haven't >> received >>> a reply to that yet... >>> >>> As I was looking around the Gibson web pages, I >> saw a phone number, so >> I >>> decided to call. The guy I talked to seemed >> pretty cool. He told me >> that >>> one of the parts suppliers had gone out of >> business and that they were >>> negotiating with a new supplier. He seemed to >> think they would go >> back >> into >>> production in 30-60 days. He suggested that I >> call a dealer and get >> my >> name >>> on a waiting list... >>> >>> OK, at this point, I'm officially in a holding >> pattern and will wait >> until >>> the middle of June before trying again... >>> >>> -Doug >>> >>> >> >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 24 16:37:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3OKZaR27641; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:35:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:35:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c42a3b$914c24a0$1046b018@catherinkvwp76> From: "Michael and Nikki" To: References: <20040423064636.96043.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EDP stumped Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:34:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Crap! It was a good idea but it didn't work. I set the EDP to MIDI channel 1 and the Alesis to MIDI channel 3, but I still have the same problem. The Alesis has a menu option that disables sending MIDI drum note messages. Just for grins I enabled the note messages and you were right, the EDP goes nuts when it receives them. Anyway, I'm still stuck. Any other ideas? Thanks, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 2:46 AM Subject: Re: EDP stumped > All I can think of is to make sure the EDP & Alesis > are set to different midi channels. If not, the Alesis > would be sending note messages as well as midi clock > to the EDP. > > John > > --- Michael and Nikki wrote: > > Sigh. > > I've read the manual. I've searched the archives. > > You are my only hope. > > SYNC=in > > QUANT=loop > > SWITCHQUANT=loop > > 8THS/CYCLE=8 > > MORE LOOPS=2 > > SAMPLERSTYLE=run > > My Alesis drum machine is sending MIDI clock, and is > > set to a simple 4/4 > > pattern. > > I record loop 1, no problem. I record loop 2, no > > problem. While playing loop > > one, I press NEXTLOOP. The Echoplex thinks (000), > > then changes flawlessly > > into loop 2. While playing loop 2, I press NEXTLOOP. > > The Echoplex thinks > > (000), then instead of changing at the end of loop > > 2, it starts loop 2 over > > (even says so on the LED) and gets about one or two > > beats into the first > > measure before changing back to loop 1. > > I am losing my mind. > > If it's the MIDI clock from the drum machine, then > > why does it change > > flawlessly from loop 1 into loop 2? > > I can just turn off the SWITCHQUANT but this means I > > have to tap NEXTLOOP on > > the proper downbeat, and I would prefer to let the > > EDP handle that while I'm > > busy adjusting my effects pedals. > > Help me. > > Please, help me. > > > > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Surely this is space music at it's finest, a disc with as many discoveries and delights as there are stars in the sky... rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Check out the ping things' newly expanded "features" section http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 24 18:41:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3OMdPb26237; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:39:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:39:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c42a4d$5e043940$f9a8a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040423153213.ZFQ15386.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@MusicComputer> Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:42:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.168.249] at Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:39:21 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now that's a cool idea. Does anyone know who we can contact about this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Rex" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? > Maybe, we should all form a joint venture, and buy them out for Gibson! > > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 12:16 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? > > An ex-Trace person would say, 'what a load of old rubbish'. No one has > gone out of business; we still have 350 new EDPs waiting for Gibson to > pay for them. It doesn't need to be 'made again' it just needs paying > for. Disgraceful behaviour. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: 23 April 2004 01:35 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? > > Interesting. I wonder what the Trace people in the UK would say.... :-) > > Any one looking for an EDP, you might want to keep on (politely) banging > the > Gibson door. The more noise, the more likely this product will be made > again. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Wellington" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? > > > > David Kirkdorffer sent me an address where I could contact Gibson. > (Thanks > > David!) I did, and thought I would share what I learned with the > list, in > > case anyone else is in the same spot I am. > > > > OK, I used the mail form on their web page, asking where I could get > an > > Echoplex, and I got a nice reply saying, "just go to your local > authorized > > Gibson dealer" to which I replied "gee, everybody I've talked to says > they > > aren't available and aren't being made. Is that true?" I haven't > received > > a reply to that yet... > > > > As I was looking around the Gibson web pages, I saw a phone number, so > I > > decided to call. The guy I talked to seemed pretty cool. He told me > that > > one of the parts suppliers had gone out of business and that they were > > negotiating with a new supplier. He seemed to think they would go > back > into > > production in 30-60 days. He suggested that I call a dealer and get > my > name > > on a waiting list... > > > > OK, at this point, I'm officially in a holding pattern and will wait > until > > the middle of June before trying again... > > > > -Doug > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 24 18:48:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3OMkMw26932; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:46:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:46:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c42a4d$d85d5460$1046b018@catherinkvwp76> From: "Michael and Nikki" To: Subject: EDP Alesis Stumped Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:45:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm. It just got stranger. If, with AUTORECORD on, I end recording loop 1 by hitting next loop and immediately record loop 2, the Alesis and the EDP will stay in perfect sync when switching between the two loops. If I end loop1 by pressing record again then I will eventually have my sync problem. I'm including a copy of my original post below. I'm hoping this all sounds familiar to someone. Thanks!!! Michael Original Post: Sigh. I've read the manual. I've searched the archives. You are my only hope. SYNC=in QUANT=loop SWITCHQUANT=loop 8THS/CYCLE=8 MORE LOOPS=2 SAMPLERSTYLE=run My Alesis drum machine is sending MIDI clock, and is set to a simple 4/4 pattern. I record loop 1, no problem. I record loop 2, no problem. While playing loop one, I press NEXTLOOP. The Echoplex thinks (000), then changes flawlessly into loop 2. While playing loop 2, I press NEXTLOOP. The Echoplex thinks (000), then instead of changing at the end of loop 2, it starts loop 2 over (even says so on the LED) and gets about one or two beats into the first measure before changing back to loop 1. I am losing my mind. If it's the MIDI clock from the drum machine, then why does it change flawlessly from loop 1 into loop 2? I can just turn off the SWITCHQUANT but this means I have to tap NEXTLOOP on the proper downbeat, and I would prefer to let the EDP handle that while I'm busy adjusting my effects pedals. Help me. Please, help me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 24 18:52:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3OMokN27491; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:50:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:50:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040424225039.50414.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:50:39 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c42902$cbaf8e50$01fea8c0@andy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Andy Ewen wrote: > An ex-Trace person would say, 'what a load of old > rubbish'. No one has > gone out of business; we still have 350 new EDPs > waiting for Gibson to > pay for them. It doesn't need to be 'made again' it > just needs paying > for. Disgraceful behaviour. Is there any way that Trace can sell the EDPs themselves since Gibson doesn't seem to want them? Or, is Gibson hoping Trace will do that so they can sue them? John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 24 22:25:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3P2O6B13318; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:24:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:24:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040424192151.0379eed0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:29:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Alesis Stumped In-Reply-To: <000701c42a4d$d85d5460$1046b018@catherinkvwp76> References: <000701c42a4d$d85d5460$1046b018@catherinkvwp76> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tried to reproduce your problem, but it works fine for me. Can you please give a more exact set of steps you go through to make this happen? What buttons you press on each device, when you press them, are you controlling from the front panel or midi, etc. Maybe then we can figure out what's going on. kim At 03:45 PM 4/24/2004, Michael and Nikki wrote: >SYNC=in >QUANT=loop >SWITCHQUANT=loop >8THS/CYCLE=8 >MORE LOOPS=2 >SAMPLERSTYLE=run >My Alesis drum machine is sending MIDI clock, and is set to a simple 4/4 >pattern. >I record loop 1, no problem. I record loop 2, no problem. While playing loop >one, I press NEXTLOOP. The Echoplex thinks (000), then changes flawlessly >into loop 2. While playing loop 2, I press NEXTLOOP. The Echoplex thinks >(000), then instead of changing at the end of loop 2, it starts loop 2 over >(even says so on the LED) and gets about one or two beats into the first >measure before changing back to loop 1. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 24 22:36:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3P2ZZC16442; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:35:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:35:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040424193746.06d5e050@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:40:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Sync with MPC 1000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:47 PM 4/23/2004, John Metzler wrote: >I have my EchoPlex synced to my MPC 1000 with beat clock. It stays locked >if I just record one loop and leave it at that. But what fun is that? if >I copy that loop to a second loop to add material and then switch back to >the first loop, it has strayed. The beat clock light in the bottom >right still shows the accurate pulses from the MPC 1000 but the loop is >off as well as the Flashing light that indicates the loops >beginning. Any suggestions? I can't perform live with this set up if >this is as reliable as it gets. you need to provide more specifics of your parameter settings and exactly what you are doing or it is very difficult to help. I can do loop copies here with sync and it works fine, but I don't know if I'm doing the same actions as you or have the same settings. let us know more... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 01:12:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3P59pT12558; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 01:09:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 01:09:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c42a83$41960690$1046b018@catherinkvwp76> From: "Michael and Nikki" To: References: <000701c42a4d$d85d5460$1046b018@catherinkvwp76> <6.1.0.6.2.20040424192151.0379eed0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: EDP Alesis Stumped Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 01:07:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First, THANKS for responding!! I have used both the Gibson foot controller and the front panel with the same results. For the purpose of this email, I'm using the footswitch. The drum machine is an Alesis SR16. I've been messing with the EDP all day and I've found that: 1)If I start with SWITCHQUANT=off, I can press Record, record loop1 and end with pressing Record. I let the loop play for as long as I want then, at the right moment, press NextLoop and record loop2 ending with Next Loop. Now the fun part. I can reach over to the front panel and turn SWITCHQUANT=loop(or any of the other options) and switch back and forth to my heart's content. No problems. 2)If I start with SWITCHQUANT=loop, but I end recording loop1 by pressing NextLoop and immediately record loop2 and end that by pressing NextLoop, also no problems. In other words if I start with SWITCHQUANT=loop I have to record both loops in one pass without any, well, looping. Anything else (ending recording loop1 by pressing Record for example), and before switching back to loop1, loop2 will start over and run for an eighth note or two. 3)Everything is the same if I sync the EDP to a metronome via BeatSync, so that would appear to rule out the MIDI clock. I've reset the parameters and started over, also the Feedback setting is all the way up. Thank you again for taking the time to help with this! I'm really nervous about sending the EDP back if it's a hardware problem. Nobody seems to have any in stock. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 10:29 PM Subject: Re: EDP Alesis Stumped > I tried to reproduce your problem, but it works fine for me. Can you please > give a more exact set of steps you go through to make this happen? What > buttons you press on each device, when you press them, are you controlling > from the front panel or midi, etc. Maybe then we can figure out what's > going on. > kim > > At 03:45 PM 4/24/2004, Michael and Nikki wrote: > >SYNC=in > >QUANT=loop > >SWITCHQUANT=loop > >8THS/CYCLE=8 > >MORE LOOPS=2 > >SAMPLERSTYLE=run > >My Alesis drum machine is sending MIDI clock, and is set to a simple 4/4 > >pattern. > >I record loop 1, no problem. I record loop 2, no problem. While playing loop > >one, I press NEXTLOOP. The Echoplex thinks (000), then changes flawlessly > >into loop 2. While playing loop 2, I press NEXTLOOP. The Echoplex thinks > >(000), then instead of changing at the end of loop 2, it starts loop 2 over > >(even says so on the LED) and gets about one or two beats into the first > >measure before changing back to loop 1. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 03:47:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3P7jxS15881; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 03:45:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 03:45:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040425004811.06d638b8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:50:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Alesis Stumped In-Reply-To: <001001c42a83$41960690$1046b018@catherinkvwp76> References: <000701c42a4d$d85d5460$1046b018@catherinkvwp76> <6.1.0.6.2.20040424192151.0379eed0@loopers-delight.com> <001001c42a83$41960690$1046b018@catherinkvwp76> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com again, could you please just describe the exact sequence you did that led to the problem? your mail here was confusing to follow. kim At 10:07 PM 4/24/2004, Michael and Nikki wrote: >First, THANKS for responding!! >I have used both the Gibson foot controller and the front panel with the >same results. >For the purpose of this email, I'm using the footswitch. >The drum machine is an Alesis SR16. >I've been messing with the EDP all day and I've found that: ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 10:45:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PEhk912730; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:43:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:43:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: returning to the list...greetings Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 07:43:28 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c42ad3$ac719f10$6501a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C42A99.0012C710" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C42A99.0012C710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Rich Atkinson here. Returning to the LD list to say hello and catch up with what y'all are grooving on at the moment. Just read a few of the archives and saw that Loopstock '04 is May 1st. Sheesh.how many cool things are happening that day?!? How can I multiply myself? First I want to be in Coachella, CA, catching Radiohead and others at the Coachella Fest. Then, I sure would dig being in SLO watching the gathering of loopfreaks. 2002 was a blast! But, alas, my life is tragic. I'm going to be at the top of Diamondhead in Oahu, renewing my vows with my beautiful wife, for my 10th anniversary. I got it rough, yeah? Anyway, good to be back for a bit.don't know how long.work will determine that. Still grooving with Echo Pro, Repeater on the hardware side of things, but have really switched to the combination of Ableton Live and Reason for compositional stuffs. Super fun and very powerful. Best to you all. rich ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C42A99.0012C710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

Rich Atkinson = here…

Returning to the LD list to say hello and catch up = with what y’all are grooving on at the moment.

 

Just read a few of the archives and saw that Loopstock ’04 is May = 1st.

 

Sheesh<= font size=3D2 face=3DArial>…how many cool things are happening that day?!?  How can I multiply myself?

 

First I want to be in = Coachella, = CA= , catching Radiohead and others at the Coachella = Fest…

Then, I sure would dig being in SLO watching the = gathering of loopfreaks.  2002 was a blast!

 

But, alas, my life is tragic.  I’m going to be at the = top of Diamondhead in Oahu, renewing my vows with my beautiful wife, for my 10th = anniversary.

 

I got it rough, yeah?

 

Anyway, good to be back for a = bit…don’t know how long…work will determine = that.

 

Still grooving with Echo Pro, Repeater on the = hardware side of things, but have really switched to the combination of Ableton Live and Reason for compositional stuffs.  Super fun and very = powerful.

 

Best to you = all.

 

rich

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C42A99.0012C710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 12:00:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PFxf223113; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:59:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:59:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200404250747.i3P7lIq16352@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200404250747.i3P7lIq16352@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--625122274 Message-Id: <8CEFBFFF-96D1-11D8-A9FC-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: RE: EDP multitap feature Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 08:59:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--625122274 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Well, the "easy" way is to use one of the many boxes which offers tap delay, where you have independent control of the delay time and feedback for each tap, but the problem with both of these solutions is that there's a shortage of delay units that offer the sort of delay time I'd want for this application (8+ seconds), and it's cumbersome to set up. You could always set 3 EDP's up this way too. I think this is the sort of thing that'd have to wait until a new hardware platform for the Loop software evolves. On the next EDP I'd like to see a large LCD display (something along the lines of the tc D2/M1/G-Force) so that you could simultaneously monitor a variety of parameters--loop time, where you are in the loop, feedback level, any commands waiting for the lame duck period to finish, number of loops with material in them, etc. This sort of display would make it easier to program things like multi-tap loop. It'd be nice if this next generation EDP had a memory card reader for loop backup, but I'm not sure how available any media is going to be after ten or twenty years. TravisH On Apr 25, 2004, at 12:47 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Re: RE: EDP multitap feature > > > So until the magic hardware appears. > > The easy way to get 3 distinct repeats and no more is to use > 2 delays in series (output of one into input of the other) > > both delays to have 0% feedback, > wet/dry mix @ 50% > and one of them is to have twice the delay of another. > (doesn't matter which is first) > > andy butler --Apple-Mail-1--625122274 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Well, the "easy" way is to use one of the many boxes which offers tap delay, where you have independent control of the delay time and feedback for each tap, but the problem with both of these solutions is that there's a shortage of delay units that offer the sort of delay time I'd want for this application (8+ seconds), and it's cumbersome to set up. You could always set 3 EDP's up this way too. I think this is the sort of thing that'd have to wait until a new hardware platform for the Loop software evolves. On the next EDP I'd like to see a large LCD display (something along the lines of the tc D2/M1/G-Force) so that you could simultaneously monitor a variety of parameters--loop time, where you are in the loop, feedback level, any commands waiting for the lame duck period to finish, number of loops with material in them, etc. This sort of display would make it easier to program things like multi-tap loop. It'd be nice if this next generation EDP had a memory card reader for loop backup, but I'm not sure how available any media is going to be after ten or twenty years. TravisH On Apr 25, 2004, at 12:47 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: RE: EDP multitap feature So until the magic hardware appears. The easy way to get 3 distinct repeats and no more is to use 2 delays in series (output of one into input of the other) both delays to have 0% feedback, wet/dry mix @ 50% and one of them is to have twice the delay of another. (doesn't matter which is first) andy butler --Apple-Mail-1--625122274-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 12:15:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PGDQW26951; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:13:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:13:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200404250747.i3P7lIq16352@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200404250747.i3P7lIq16352@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--624295561 Message-Id: <79B20C72-96D3-11D8-A9FC-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:13:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <3u5xd.A.-kG.mO-iAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--624295561 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Is this true? If so, is there any point badgering Gibson at this point for EDP release time? TravisH On Apr 25, 2004, at 12:47 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? > > > Actually, Gibson lost Trace Elliot in an auction set up by the > liquidators. The brand is now owned by Cliff Cooper of Orange > Amplification. Nice one Cliff! I heard that Henry wasn't too happy > about > it. --Apple-Mail-2--624295561 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Is this true? If so, is there any point badgering Gibson at this point for EDP release time? TravisH On Apr 25, 2004, at 12:47 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? Actually, Gibson lost Trace Elliot in an auction set up by the liquidators. The brand is now owned by Cliff Cooper of Orange Amplification. Nice one Cliff! I heard that Henry wasn't too happy about it. --Apple-Mail-2--624295561-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 12:29:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PGRwE31133; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:27:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:27:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200404250747.i3P7lIq16352@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200404250747.i3P7lIq16352@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--623422658 Message-Id: <81FC86BD-96D5-11D8-A9FC-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:27:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3--623422658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The thing about the EDP is that I don't think there was ever a continuous production line, i.e. a process by which new EDP's were manufactured every day on a regular basis. I think they'd make up a batch, sell those, and then eventually make another batch of a few hundred. Unfortunately, rather than say "Hey we've sold all the last batch--quick, let's make some more!", it'd get back burnered for a while, during which there'd be a re-org, people would leave, etc. I remember Schaller used to make *one* batch of their tremolo pedals each year. If you didn't buy one right away, you were out of luck until the next year. My personal experience with the EDP, over the course of six or seven years suggests something along those lines. It's possible that there were people who started working at Gibson and then left in between EDP production cycles without ever seeing evidence that they were "in production". There is also some evidence that communication between divisions at Gibson isn't as good as it might be. I mean, who's our designated point of contact at Gibson right now for the EDP? Once upon a time, there was a Gibson rep who used to post on the list, but he took a bit of a shellacking and seemed to have his talk/action ratio a bit on the high side, and then he was gone. I believe this was around the time they stopped branding them as "Oberheim" units. TravisH On Apr 25, 2004, at 12:47 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? > > > Yea, frustrating isn't this. I have been waiting for over half a year > for them to be available again. I've been waiting for gibson to get > back to me for months. I asked Kim why they don't make it anymore and > he said, "Where'd you hear that?" .... everywhere I ask. --Apple-Mail-3--623422658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII The thing about the EDP is that I don't think there was ever a continuous production line, i.e. a process by which new EDP's were manufactured every day on a regular basis. I think they'd make up a batch, sell those, and then eventually make another batch of a few hundred. Unfortunately, rather than say "Hey we've sold all the last batch--quick, let's make some more!", it'd get back burnered for a while, during which there'd be a re-org, people would leave, etc. I remember Schaller used to make *one* batch of their tremolo pedals each year. If you didn't buy one right away, you were out of luck until the next year. My personal experience with the EDP, over the course of six or seven years suggests something along those lines. It's possible that there were people who started working at Gibson and then left in between EDP production cycles without ever seeing evidence that they were "in production". There is also some evidence that communication between divisions at Gibson isn't as good as it might be. I mean, who's our designated point of contact at Gibson right now for the EDP? Once upon a time, there was a Gibson rep who used to post on the list, but he took a bit of a shellacking and seemed to have his talk/action ratio a bit on the high side, and then he was gone. I believe this was around the time they stopped branding them as "Oberheim" units. TravisH On Apr 25, 2004, at 12:47 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? Yea, frustrating isn't this. I have been waiting for over half a year for them to be available again. I've been waiting for gibson to get back to me for months. I asked Kim why they don't make it anymore and he said, "Where'd you hear that?" .... everywhere I ask. --Apple-Mail-3--623422658-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 13:09:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PH7Oi08645; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:07:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:07:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:07:27 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c42ae7$c95a8060$0300000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C42AF0.2B1EE860" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <79B20C72-96D3-11D8-A9FC-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C42AF0.2B1EE860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is true, but Straight Edge built the last batch of 600 EDPs and we still have 350 in stock. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: 25 April 2004 17:13 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? Is this true? If so, is there any point badgering Gibson at this point for EDP release time? TravisH On Apr 25, 2004, at 12:47 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? Actually, Gibson lost Trace Elliot in an auction set up by the liquidators. The brand is now owned by Cliff Cooper of Orange Amplification. Nice one Cliff! I heard that Henry wasn't too happy about it. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C42AF0.2B1EE860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is true, but Straight Edge = built the last batch of 600 EDPs and we still have 350 in = stock.

 

---= --Original Message-----
From: Travis Hartnett = [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
Sent: 25 April 2004 = 17:13
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Where to get = EDP+?

 

Is this true? If so, is there any point = badgering Gibson at this point for EDP release time?

TravisH

On Apr 25, 2004, at 12:47 AM, = Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:

Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+?


Actually, Gibson lost Trace Elliot in an auction set up by the
liquidators. The brand is now owned by Cliff Cooper of Orange
Amplification. Nice one Cliff! I heard that Henry wasn't too happy = about
it.

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C42AF0.2B1EE860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 15:08:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PJ6IL07508; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:06:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:06:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c42af8$c2ebb620$c4b7a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <000c01c42ae7$c95a8060$0300000a@p4> Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:08:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C42AD7.3B4C2E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.183.196] at Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:06:13 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C42AD7.3B4C2E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, does Orange have "right of first refusal" to buy the 350 units = currently languishing in a warehouse?=20 If I wanted to buy them all, who do I talk to? David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Ewen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? This is true, but Straight Edge built the last batch of 600 EDPs and = we still have 350 in stock. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]=20 Sent: 25 April 2004 17:13 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? =20 Is this true? If so, is there any point badgering Gibson at this point = for EDP release time? TravisH On Apr 25, 2004, at 12:47 AM, = Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? Actually, Gibson lost Trace Elliot in an auction set up by the liquidators. The brand is now owned by Cliff Cooper of Orange Amplification. Nice one Cliff! I heard that Henry wasn't too happy = about it. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C42AD7.3B4C2E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So, does Orange have "right of first = refusal" to=20 buy the 350 units currently languishing in a warehouse?
 
If I wanted to buy them all, who do I = talk=20 to?
 
David
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy=20 Ewen
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 = 1:07=20 PM
Subject: RE: Where to get = EDP+?

This is = true, but=20 Straight Edge built the last batch of 600 EDPs and we still have 350 = in=20 stock.

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = Travis=20 Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
Sent: 25 April 2004 = 17:13
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject: RE: Where to get=20 EDP+?

 

Is = this true? If=20 so, is there any point badgering Gibson at this point for EDP release=20 time?

TravisH

On Apr 25, 2004, at 12:47 AM,=20 Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com=20 wrote:

Subject: RE: = Where to get=20 EDP+?


Actually, Gibson lost Trace Elliot = in an=20 auction set up by the
liquidators. The brand is now owned by Cliff = Cooper=20 of Orange
Amplification. Nice one Cliff! I heard that Henry wasn't = too=20 happy about
it.

------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C42AD7.3B4C2E00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 18:43:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PMgf419256; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:42:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:42:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040425154132.06b8e3c0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:47:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? In-Reply-To: <002601c42af8$c2ebb620$c4b7a344@hppav> References: <000c01c42ae7$c95a8060$0300000a@p4> <002601c42af8$c2ebb620$c4b7a344@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you guys have it really far off here. The Trace Elliot division was closed by Gibson a long time ago. The Echoplex has been through two other divisions at Gibson since then. Trace was just one of the divisions responsible for it along the way. When they closed it, responsibility moved to strings and accessories, then it moved to gibson labs. What happens with the remnants of Trace today has nothing to do with the Echoplex. kim At 12:08 PM 4/25/2004, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >So, does Orange have "right of first refusal" to buy the 350 units >currently languishing in a warehouse? > >If I wanted to buy them all, who do I talk to? > >David > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 19:00:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PMx6F23182; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:59:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:59:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200404252259.i3PMx5p23158@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EDP multitap feature Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:59:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C42AF7.61427310" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <8CEFBFFF-96D1-11D8-A9FC-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Thread-Index: AcQq3ngkj9KfO1bERBWYXsdBcpb78QAOVRvw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C42AF7.61427310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a way (though not all that elegent without a lot of effort on your part) for loop backup you could use a recorder to save your loops to. What it lacks is a marker for start record end record I suppose that could be fixed or maybe there is some other way to get that. I suppose with a little MIDI editing we could use the same mechanism to load a stored loop but you would have to have some MIDI recording and editing features so, this might be the job of a Laptop? Ah the display, as time marches on I think a bigger more distinct display could be handy (the age factor ;D ) Here's a trivia type question was the code for the EDP writen in C or Assembler? _____ From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP multitap feature Well, the "easy" way is to use one of the many boxes which offers tap delay, where you have independent control of the delay time and feedback for each tap, but the problem with both of these solutions is that there's a shortage of delay units that offer the sort of delay time I'd want for this application (8+ seconds), and it's cumbersome to set up. You could always set 3 EDP's up this way too. I think this is the sort of thing that'd have to wait until a new hardware platform for the Loop software evolves. On the next EDP I'd like to see a large LCD display (something along the lines of the tc D2/M1/G-Force) so that you could simultaneously monitor a variety of parameters--loop time, where you are in the loop, feedback level, any commands waiting for the lame duck period to finish, number of loops with material in them, etc. This sort of display would make it easier to program things like multi-tap loop. It'd be nice if this next generation EDP had a memory card reader for loop backup, but I'm not sure how available any media is going to be after ten or twenty years. TravisH On Apr 25, 2004, at 12:47 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: Subject: Re: RE: EDP multitap feature So until the magic hardware appears. The easy way to get 3 distinct repeats and no more is to use 2 delays in series (output of one into input of the other) both delays to have 0% feedback, wet/dry mix @ 50% and one of them is to have twice the delay of another. (doesn't matter which is first) andy butler ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C42AF7.61427310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is a way (though not all that elegent = without a lot=20 of effort on your part) for loop backup you could use a recorder to save = your=20 loops to. What it lacks is a marker for start record end record I = suppose that=20 could be fixed or maybe there is some other way to get that. I suppose = with a=20 little MIDI editing we could use the same mechanism to load a stored = loop but=20 you would have to have some MIDI recording and editing features so, this = might=20 be the job of a Laptop?
 
Ah the display, as time marches on I think a = bigger more=20 distinct display could be handy (the age factor ;D )
 
Here's a trivia type question was the code = for the EDP=20 writen in C or Assembler?

From: Travis Hartnett=20 [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 = 12:00=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = RE: EDP=20 multitap feature

Well, the "easy" way is to use one of the many boxes which = offers tap=20 delay, where you have independent control of the delay time and feedback = for=20 each tap, but the problem with both of these solutions is that there's a = shortage of delay units that offer the sort of delay time I'd want for = this=20 application (8+ seconds), and it's cumbersome to set up. You could = always set 3=20 EDP's up this way too.

I think this is the sort of thing that'd = have to=20 wait until a new hardware platform for the Loop software evolves. On the = next=20 EDP I'd like to see a large LCD display (something along the lines of = the tc=20 D2/M1/G-Force) so that you could simultaneously monitor a variety of=20 parameters--loop time, where you are in the loop, feedback level, any = commands=20 waiting for the lame duck period to finish, number of loops with = material in=20 them, etc. This sort of display would make it easier to program things = like=20 multi-tap loop. It'd be nice if this next generation EDP had a memory = card=20 reader for loop backup, but I'm not sure how available any media is = going to be=20 after ten or twenty years.

TravisH

On Apr 25, 2004, at = 12:47 AM,=20 Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:

Subject: Re: RE: = EDP=20 multitap feature


So until the magic hardware=20 appears.

The easy way to get 3 distinct repeats and no more is = to=20 use
2 delays in series (output of one into input of the = other)

both=20 delays to have 0% feedback,
wet/dry mix @ 50%
and one of them is = to have=20 twice the delay of another.
(doesn't matter which is = first)

andy=20 butler
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C42AF7.61427310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 19:15:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PNEWg24892; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:14:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:14:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: Re: returning to the list...greetings Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:14:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c42b1b$070f6fa0$6501a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C42AE0.5AB2E190" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C42AE0.5AB2E190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >welcome home, rich and congratulations on your vow renewal celebration. My wife and I did that three years ago. What a blessing, eh? Yes, for sure. Thanks. >Hope you make it to Loopstock. I'm headling there that evening but I don't pretend to have the aesthetic pull that Radiohead has.........................lol. I won't hold it against you if you don't come. Well, I can surely say that I'm not going to Loopstock OR Coachella! I don't return to So. Cal until the 12th of May. >and............you should seriously think about coming and performing at Y2K4 in late September/early October in Santa Cruz.....I'll save you a 30 minute performance slot if you'd like me to, 'cause I produce the show. Thanks, Rick.I will definitely think about that. I haven't really been working on live chops very much at this time, mostly recording.but that's a tempting invitation. Let me mull that over a bit! Best, Rich ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C42AE0.5AB2E190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>welcome home, rich and congratulations on your = vow renewal celebration.  My wife and I did that three years ago.  = What a blessing, = eh?

 

Yes, for sure.  = Thanks.

 

>Hope you make it to Loopstock.  I'm headling there that evening but I don't = pretend to have the aesthetic pull that Radiohead = has.........................lol.   I won't hold it against you if = you don't come.

 

Well, I can surely say that I’m not going to = Loopstock OR Coachella!  I don’t return to So. = Cal until the = 12th of May.

 

>and............you should seriously think about = coming and performing at Y2K4 in late September/early October in Santa = Cruz.....I'll save you a 30 minute performance slot if you'd like me to, 'cause I = produce the show.

 

Thanks, Rick…I will definitely think about = that.  I haven’t really been = working on live chops very much at this time, mostly recording…but = that’s a tempting invitation.  Let = me mull that over a bit!

 

Best,

 

Rich

 

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C42AE0.5AB2E190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 19:21:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PNJG025592; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:19:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:19:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040425161951.06bae958@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:24:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP multitap feature In-Reply-To: <200404252259.i3PMx5p23158@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <8CEFBFFF-96D1-11D8-A9FC-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <200404252259.i3PMx5p23158@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:59 PM 4/25/2004, Alan Kroeger wrote: >There is a way (though not all that elegent without a lot of effort on >your part) for loop backup you could use a recorder to save your loops to. >What it lacks is a marker for start record end record I suppose that could >be fixed or maybe there is some other way to get that. I suppose with a >little MIDI editing we could use the same mechanism to load a stored loop >but you would have to have some MIDI recording and editing features so, >this might be the job of a Laptop? there are midi markers sent for all commands, and then as the loop plays there are markers sent for the loop point, cycle point, and subdivision points. You can record these along with the audio for easy editing later. You can then also load loops back to the echoplex fairly easily by sending the same midi commands out with the audio from the recording device. Dennis Leas used this technique for his Kyma based Looper Construction Kit, which transfers loops between an Echoplex and Kyma in real time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 19:25:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PNNxO26447; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:23:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:23:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1082935437.408c488de5581@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:23:57 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? References: <000c01c42ae7$c95a8060$0300000a@p4> <002601c42af8$c2ebb620$c4b7a344@hppav> In-Reply-To: <002601c42af8$c2ebb620$c4b7a344@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting David Kirkdorffer : > If I wanted to buy them all, who do I talk to? I believe you would need to speak with a guy in Tennessee named Henry. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 19:33:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PNUih27236; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:30:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:30:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: returning to the list...OFFERINGS Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:30:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c42b1d$497c5ef0$6501a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C42AE2.9D1D86F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C42AE2.9D1D86F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do have an item I am selling if any of you are interested. Funds are needed elsewhere.(oh jeez.how am I gonna pay for this trip? Just kidding.) AKAI Z8 24bit sampler - Fully loaded. This is one of Akai's newest beasts with sampling capability at 24 bit/96 hz. USB and Aksys software makes it a snap to transfer files from your PC to the Z8, or edit samples on the Z8 on a dedicated waveform editor on the PC, and then transfer it right back. All Keygroups and other parameter settings can be done right on the PC. Z8 has a very nice array of FX and filters. 8 continuous controller knobs right on the front panel give instant gratification for sample mangling. The Controller knobs can also send Midi Out, so you can control other devices. More specs and info stuffs can be had at Akai's page. www.akaipro.com The base samplers are going for about $1700 online, with the standard 60gig hard drive and 272 mb RAM. Here's what I've got for sale: Z8 Sampler - mint condition, very low hours with original packaging, manual, etc. Maxxed out 512 mb RAM 8-out analog board ($300 value) All Factory loaded samples and Factory sample CD Wizoo Magnetica (Rhodes/B3/Wurly/Vintage Keys) Sample CD Wizoo Nord Sample CD 8x SCSI CD-RW with cable to connect to the Z8 for sample loading. I was asking $1650 plus shipping for this, but I am willing to entertain any reasonable offers. Let me know. I am out of town as of this coming Friday until May 12, when I return. Best Regards, rich ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C42AE2.9D1D86F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I do have an item I am selling if any of you are interested.  Funds are = needed elsewhere…(oh jeez…how am I gonna pay for this trip?  Just = kidding…)

 

AKAI Z8 24bit sampler – Fully = loaded.

 

This is one of  Akai’s newest = beasts with sampling capability at 24 bit/96 hz.  USB and Aksys software makes it a snap to transfer files from your PC to the Z8, or = edit samples on the Z8 on a dedicated waveform editor on the PC, and then = transfer it right back.  All Keygroups and other parameter settings can be done = right on the PC.  Z8 has a very nice = array of FX and filters.  8 = continuous controller knobs right on the front panel = give instant gratification for sample mangling.  The Controller knobs can also send Midi Out, so you can control other = devices.  More specs and info stuffs can = be had at Akai’s page.   = www.akaipro.com

 

The base samplers are going for about $1700 online, = with the standard 60gig hard drive and 272 mb = RAM.

 

Here’s what I’ve got for = sale:

 

Z8 Sampler – mint condition, very low hours = with original packaging, manual, etc.

Maxxed<= font size=3D2 face=3DArial> out 512 mb RAM

8-out analog board ($300 = value)

All Factory loaded samples and Factory sample = CD

Wizoo Magnetica (Rhodes/B3/Wurly/Vintage Keys) Sample = CD

Wizoo Nord Sample CD

8x SCSI CD-RW with cable to = connect to the Z8 for sample loading.

 

 

I was asking $1650 plus shipping for this, but I am = willing to entertain any reasonable offers…

Let me know.  = I am out of town as of this coming Friday until May 12, when I = return.

 

Best Regards,

 

rich

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C42AE2.9D1D86F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 19:34:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PNVVF27390; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:31:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:31:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c42b1c$c6375450$7b867344@catherinkvwp76> From: "Michael and Nikki" To: , "kim flint" References: <000701c42a4d$d85d5460$1046b018@catherinkvwp76> <6.1.0.6.2.20040424192151.0379eed0@loopers-delight.com> <001001c42a83$41960690$1046b018@catherinkvwp76> <6.1.0.6.2.20040425004811.06d638b8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: EDP Alesis Stumped Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:26:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure. I'll try to include all my steps, since I don't where the problem is. QUANT=loop SYNC=in 8THS/CYCLE=8 AUTORECORD=on SWITCHQUANT=loop MORELOOPS=2 RECORDMODE=toggle SAMPLERSTYLE=run 1 I turn on the Alesis SR 16 drum machine, the EDP shows it is receiving MIDI clock from the drum machine Using the Gibson foot controller I: 2 press Record 3 play something, I'll refer to it as loop1 4 end recording by again pressing Record 5 press NextLoop, the EDP indicates it will switch to loop2 at the end of the current loop and begin recording 6 at the end of loop1, I play something else I'll refer to as loop2 7 I end recording loop2 by pressing NextLoop 8 the EDP is now playing loop1 and everything is still in sync with the drum machine 9 I press NextLoop and at the end of loop1, the EDP switches to loop2. No problem. 10 I press NextLoop and at the end of loop2, loop2 starts over again. Loop2 plays for a beat or so and then switches to loop1 11 The EDP is now out of sync with the drum machine. The following five variations produce the same problem: If AUTOREC=off then in step 5 after pressing NextLoop I also press Record the same problem happens. If in step 7, I end recording loop2 by pressing Record, then the proccess skips directly to step 10 and the same problem happens. If the EDP is synced to a metronome via BeatSync, the same problem happens If I do not use the foot controller and enter everything via the front panel of the EDP, the same problem happens. If SWITCHQUANT=Cycle (or anything besides off) then the same problem happens. The following two variations do NOT produce the problem: If in step 4 I end recording loop1 by pressing NextLoop and thereby immediately record loop2 which I also end by pressing NextLoop, then the problem will not happen. I can switch back and forth between the two loops and the EDP will stay in sync with the drum machine. If I start with SWITCHQUANT=off then during step 8 I reach over to the front panel and set SWITCHQUANT=loop. The problem will not happen. Any help/suggestions would be great. Thanks again for taking a look at my problem. Nervously, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 3:50 AM Subject: Re: EDP Alesis Stumped > again, could you please just describe the exact sequence you did that led > to the problem? your mail here was confusing to follow. > kim > > At 10:07 PM 4/24/2004, Michael and Nikki wrote: > >First, THANKS for responding!! > >I have used both the Gibson foot controller and the front panel with the > >same results. > >For the purpose of this email, I'm using the footswitch. > >The drum machine is an Alesis SR16. > >I've been messing with the EDP all day and I've found that: > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 19:46:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PNiFk29047; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:44:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:44:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c42b1f$989504e0$79e8a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <000c01c42ae7$c95a8060$0300000a@p4> <002601c42af8$c2ebb620$c4b7a344@hppav> <1082935437.408c488de5581@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:46:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.232.121] at Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:44:12 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <-S5YoC.A.uFH.O1EjAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a relief! I was afraid I'd need to talk to Mort from Mississippi! Eric - if you can respond off list -- who is Henry and what is his role / phone number? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? > Quoting David Kirkdorffer : > > If I wanted to buy them all, who do I talk to? > > I believe you would need to speak with a guy in Tennessee named Henry. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 19:56:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PNsHS30967; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:54:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:54:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200404252354.i3PNsGp30930@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EDP multitap feature Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:54:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040425161951.06bae958@loopers-delight.com> Thread-Index: AcQrG/sYmHB+D8kVTRaZX60FFsmqUwABBimQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim I guess I will have to startup my copy of MIDI Ox and try some of that out I might be able to do this with Fuity Loops as it records MIDI too. Naturally this isn't that high a priority for me but, useful to make it known to those who keep requesting that feature. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 7:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP multitap feature At 03:59 PM 4/25/2004, Alan Kroeger wrote: >There is a way (though not all that elegent without a lot of effort on >your part) for loop backup you could use a recorder to save your loops to. >What it lacks is a marker for start record end record I suppose that >could be fixed or maybe there is some other way to get that. I suppose >with a little MIDI editing we could use the same mechanism to load a >stored loop but you would have to have some MIDI recording and editing >features so, this might be the job of a Laptop? there are midi markers sent for all commands, and then as the loop plays there are markers sent for the loop point, cycle point, and subdivision points. You can record these along with the audio for easy editing later. You can then also load loops back to the echoplex fairly easily by sending the same midi commands out with the audio from the recording device. Dennis Leas used this technique for his Kyma based Looper Construction Kit, which transfers loops between an Echoplex and Kyma in real time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 20:00:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3PNwjH31902; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:58:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:58:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20040425165515.01cf1890@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:00:39 -0700 To: "Looper's Delight" From: armatronix Subject: Re: loopstock In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040425153817.06f42058@annihilist.com> References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040425153817.06f42058@annihilist.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for asking, Kim. It starts at noon and goes until close, which is around 1:30 am. Here's the lineup (in no particular order): Rick Walker's Loop.pooL (Santa Cruz) Jon Wagner (Palo Alto) Max Valentino (Tehachapi) Stanitarium (?) Bernhard Wagner (Zurich) Michael Klobuchar (Philadelphia) Bill Walker (Santa Cruz) George Demarest (?) dubtron? (Los Osos) Plus clinics in the afternoon: Max Valentino: "looping beyond the current paradigm: using loops to extend and augment the compositional and improvisational process".....a sorta tutorial on using loops in ways other that drones, cycles, static rhythmic evnets to solo over......and the dreaded 'frippertronics". Rick Walker: "how to use looping devices to augment learning specifically about playing polyrhythms.........point to point playing and the concept of stretching phrasing. this would be more of a musical and rhythm clinic than a looping clinic but I will use live looping to show how we can learn some amazing things about rhythm." Location: Sweet Springs Salon 990 Los Osos Valley Road Los Osos CA 93402 http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&countryid=250&address=990+Los+Osos+Valley+Road&city=Los+Osos&state=CA&zipcode=93402&submit=Get+Map This is a bar, so it will be a 21+ show this time. Cost: FREE! At 15:40 25/04/2004, you wrote: >Hans- >is Loopstock still happening? What time do you expect it to start? I >trying to figure out if I can make it and work around some other things I >need to do that weekend. >thanks, >kim > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 21:25:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3Q1NmW16135; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:23:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:23:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? yes where? Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:23:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C42AF2.713DE330" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002601c42af8$c2ebb620$c4b7a344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C42AF2.713DE330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes where? -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? So, does Orange have "right of first refusal" to buy the 350 units currently languishing in a warehouse? If I wanted to buy them all, who do I talk to? David ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? This is true, but Straight Edge built the last batch of 600 EDPs and we still have 350 in stock. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: 25 April 2004 17:13 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? Is this true? If so, is there any point badgering Gibson at this point for EDP release time? TravisH On Apr 25, 2004, at 12:47 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? Actually, Gibson lost Trace Elliot in an auction set up by the liquidators. The brand is now owned by Cliff Cooper of Orange Amplification. Nice one Cliff! I heard that Henry wasn't too happy about it. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C42AF2.713DE330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yes=20 where?
-----Original Message-----
From: David Kirkdorffer=20 [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 = 12:09=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Where to get EDP+?

So, does Orange have "right of first = refusal" to=20 buy the 350 units currently languishing in a warehouse?
 
If I wanted to buy them all, who do I = talk=20 to?
 
David
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy Ewen
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 = 1:07=20 PM
Subject: RE: Where to get = EDP+?

This is = true, but=20 Straight Edge built the last batch of 600 EDPs and we still have 350 = in=20 stock.

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Travis=20 Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
Sent: 25 April 2004 = 17:13
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject: RE: Where to get=20 EDP+?

 

Is = this true? If=20 so, is there any point badgering Gibson at this point for EDP = release=20 time?

TravisH

On Apr 25, 2004, at 12:47 AM,=20 Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com=20 wrote:

Subject: RE: = Where to=20 get EDP+?


Actually, Gibson lost Trace = Elliot in=20 an auction set up by the
liquidators. The brand is now owned by = Cliff=20 Cooper of Orange
Amplification. Nice one Cliff! I heard that = Henry wasn't=20 too happy=20 about
it.

= ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C42AF2.713DE330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 21:26:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3Q1Pc816311; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:25:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:25:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Damon Grossman" To: Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? attention Eric Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:25:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001601c42b1f$989504e0$79e8a344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would like do know who Henry is and what is number is as well. damongrossman@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 4:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? That's a relief! I was afraid I'd need to talk to Mort from Mississippi! Eric - if you can respond off list -- who is Henry and what is his role / phone number? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? > Quoting David Kirkdorffer : > > If I wanted to buy them all, who do I talk to? > > I believe you would need to speak with a guy in Tennessee named Henry. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 25 23:25:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3Q3OD507628; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:24:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:24:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1082949851.408c80dba214b@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:24:11 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? attention Eric References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Damon Grossman : > I would like do know who Henry is and what is number is as well. i'm sorry, i guess my stupid sense of humour does not translate without emoticons. by "Henry" i mean the CEO of Gibson. his name is Henry. i don't know him personally. i definitely don't have his phone number. what i meant by that post was that no one but Gibson can make that purchase from Straight Edge, for a variety of reasons that more informed and intelligent people than me on this list could do a better job of explaining. i am merely a flippant yet interested observer. those who want an EDP+ will just have to wait patiently for these matters to be straightened out, as far as i can tell. i would be interested to know how many of those 350 units have already been spoken for or otherwise purchased by dealers, for stock or on behalf of customers. i don't know if that information is available or even calculateable by anyone other than Gibson. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 26 00:01:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3Q3xY014891; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:59:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:59:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c42b43$43a4e620$a0cba344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <1082949851.408c80dba214b@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 00:02:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.163.203.160] at Sun, 25 Apr 2004 22:59:32 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, actually it would appear we *are* dealing with "Mort Shooter" from "Mississippi" after all. :-) I would guess calculating the number of EDP units backorded and requested by dealers, catalogers or artists is probably something Gibson actually is unable to do because Gibson probably does not have an ability to consolidate orders on the EDP "product line" across channels. Does anyone here work in sales for SAP, or an ERP or BI firm?? Opportunity knocks! :-) David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 11:24 PM Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? attention Eric > Quoting Damon Grossman : > > I would like do know who Henry is and what is number is as well. > > i'm sorry, i guess my stupid sense of humour does not translate without > emoticons. > > by "Henry" i mean the CEO of Gibson. his name is Henry. i don't know him > personally. i definitely don't have his phone number. > > what i meant by that post was that no one but Gibson can make that purchase from > Straight Edge, for a variety of reasons that more informed and intelligent > people than me on this list could do a better job of explaining. i am merely a > flippant yet interested observer. > > those who want an EDP+ will just have to wait patiently for these matters to be > straightened out, as far as i can tell. > > i would be interested to know how many of those 350 units have already been > spoken for or otherwise purchased by dealers, for stock or on behalf of > customers. i don't know if that information is available or even calculateable > by anyone other than Gibson. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 26 07:14:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3QBC1811245; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 07:12:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 07:12:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: Loop IV Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 04:11:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQrFxzCTzt7rYFCSE+NaXfY9OdEogAZrxtg In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040425154132.06b8e3c0@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040426111150.COAU1600.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias, Kim, Eric: Will Loop IV work (now or in the future) on any hardware controller, independent of the EDP? Are there any plans for a VST version? Tom -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 3:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? you guys have it really far off here. The Trace Elliot division was closed by Gibson a long time ago. The Echoplex has been through two other divisions at Gibson since then. Trace was just one of the divisions responsible for it along the way. When they closed it, responsibility moved to strings and accessories, then it moved to gibson labs. What happens with the remnants of Trace today has nothing to do with the Echoplex. kim At 12:08 PM 4/25/2004, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >So, does Orange have "right of first refusal" to buy the 350 units >currently languishing in a warehouse? > >If I wanted to buy them all, who do I talk to? > >David > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 26 11:37:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3QFYFc11199; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:34:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:34:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS/Swap original EDP Footboard Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:25:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2004 15:25:06.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[A76F44C0:01C42BA2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there It looks like its spring cleaning time here, Im still on the look out for an Adrenalinn and Ive been reading lots of reviews that surgest using a Midi controller with it to access presets. I am therefore putting up for sale my orriginal Echoplex FC-7 footboard in the hope that someone will either make me and offer for it or do a straight swap for a small midi pedal board that I can use with the Adrenalinn. thanks for the forum Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 26 13:45:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3QHcZQ29598; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:38:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:38:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Tom Rex" , "Looper Delight List" Subject: RE: what's everybody doing with Ableton Live? Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:42:50 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C42B94.5E3B1120" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040422071831.EMTE13501.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@MusicComputer> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.236.13.223] at Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:38:34 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <9-8JUB.A.XOH.bkUjAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C42B94.5E3B1120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm using Live with a sort of jam/hip-hop band (drums, bass, guitar, rapper) to run some loops as accompaniment sequences, and also, more interestingly, to capture live loops of the musicians (currently just rapper and guitarist until I get more inputs) and modify them with effects and envelopes to build new sequences on the fly during jams. The envelopes are cool for quickly looping just parts of a live loop, or changing up the rhythmic character. I also really like the built-in Live Granular Delay effect which can really change up the sound and feel of a loop in a smooth way - cool for slow morphing. There are some features that Ableton could add to make Live easier to use for all of this, but overall it's really cool and fun. But I'm pretty new to all of these various programs, so I don't know what else I'm missing by using Live at this point! :) I've got Live sync'ed to the tempo-tracking software I've been developing, so it follows the drummer. I'll be performing (with Knoble1) and demo'ing all of this at the Philadelphia Electronic Music Arts Festival this weekend: http://www.pemafest.fkon.com Come by and say hi! Cheers, Michael -----Original Message----- From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 3:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: what's everybody doing with Ableton Live? I guess that’s about as far as I’ve gotten. What about you? Where have you taken Live, or where has it taken you? I know that Per uses it a lot, and shared some in the last few days with the discussion thread that’s been going on. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C42B94.5E3B1120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm=20 using Live with a sort of jam/hip-hop band (drums, bass, guitar, rapper) = to run=20 some loops as accompaniment sequences, and also, more interestingly, to = capture=20 live loops of the musicians (currently just rapper and guitarist until I = get=20 more inputs) and modify them with effects and envelopes to build new = sequences=20 on the fly during jams. The envelopes are cool for quickly looping just = parts of=20 a live loop, or changing up the rhythmic character. I also really like = the=20 built-in Live Granular Delay effect which can really change up the sound = and=20 feel of a loop in a smooth way - cool for slow = morphing.
 
There=20 are some features that Ableton could add to make Live easier to use for = all of=20 this, but overall it's really cool and fun. But I'm pretty new to all of = these=20 various programs, so I don't know what else I'm missing by using Live at = this=20 point! :)
 
I've=20 got Live sync'ed to the tempo-tracking software I've been developing, so = it=20 follows the drummer. I'll be performing (with Knoble1) and demo'ing all = of this=20 at the Philadelphia Electronic Music Arts Festival this=20 weekend:

http://www.pemafest.fkon.com

Come by = and say=20 hi!

Cheers,

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Rex=20 [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 3:19 = AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: what's=20 everybody doing with Ableton Live?

I guess = that=92s about=20 as far as I=92ve gotten.  What about you?  Where have you = taken Live,=20 or where has it taken you?  I know that Per uses it a lot, and = shared=20 some in the last few days with the discussion thread that=92s been = going=20 on.  

------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C42B94.5E3B1120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 26 14:04:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3QI16L00354; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:01:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:01:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:00:53 EDT Subject: Re:RE: EDP multitap feature To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Well, the "easy" way is to use one of the many boxes which offers tap > delay, > You could always set 3 EDP's up this way too. no, just 2 EDPs, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 26 14:11:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3QI8Fc02063; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:08:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:08:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: <4072445D0000BE05@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Wanted :Line6 DL4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i3QI8Ep02035 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey fellow loopers, I am looking to pick up a Line6 DL4, and wanted to canvas this crowd before finding something elsewhere.. soooo... if anyone is looking to unload one of these.. or even two for the price of one.. hehe.. please let me know.. :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 26 18:00:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3QLupG03021; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:56:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:56:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d7.1f9884c8.2dbedf97@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:56:39 EDT Subject: Re: loopstock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d7.1f9884c8.2dbedf97_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d7.1f9884c8.2dbedf97_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/25/04 8:06:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net writes: > Michael Klobuchar (Philadelphia) > i'm not that hip!.....right.....(PITTSBURGH) --part1_1d7.1f9884c8.2dbedf97_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 4/25/04 8:06:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, armatronix2003@sbcglob= al.net writes:


Michael Klobuchar (Philadelphia= )


i'm not that hip!.....right.....(PITTSBURGH) --part1_1d7.1f9884c8.2dbedf97_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 26 18:25:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3QMLba06518; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:21:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:21:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <408D8BE8.6050200@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:23:36 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MOTU 828MkII as a Poor Man's Switchblade? References: <20040421044741.81187.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c427db$af2eaf90$6700a8c0@amd> In-Reply-To: <000701c427db$af2eaf90$6700a8c0@amd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >You've got four busses, and four mixes. Each mix can go to a different >output, or not. > > Can the eight ins be recorded on eight separate tracks while simultaneously going to the eight outputs where they can be individually routed to a front-of-house mixer? I'd love to use an 828 as a signal splitter from a snake for FOH mixing while recording the individual tracks. Cheers, Bill Fox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 26 18:33:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3QMT3p07810; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:29:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:29:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <408D8BE8.6050200@soundscapes.us> References: <20040421044741.81187.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c427db$af2eaf90$6700a8c0@amd> <408D8BE8.6050200@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <19CD0203-97D1-11D8-8A9B-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: MOTU 828MkII as a Poor Man's Switchblade? Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:28:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Apr 26, 2004, at 5:23 PM, Bill Fox wrote: > Can the eight ins be recorded on eight separate tracks while > simultaneously going to the eight outputs where they can be > individually routed to a front-of-house mixer? I'd love to use an 828 > as a signal splitter from a snake for FOH mixing while recording the > individual tracks. i'm sure they can. if they couldn't then Mark Of The Unicorn couldn't sell it as an audio interface. quite a beautiful sounding featureset, isn't it? i can't wait to get one. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 26 19:13:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3QN9k714001; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:09:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:09:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c42bfd$1839d4e0$6f00a8c0@yew> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20040421044741.81187.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c427db$af2eaf90$6700a8c0@amd> <408D8BE8.6050200@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: MOTU 828MkII as a Poor Man's Switchblade? Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:12:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, you could do that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 3:23 PM Subject: Re: MOTU 828MkII as a Poor Man's Switchblade? > Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > > >You've got four busses, and four mixes. Each mix can go to a different > >output, or not. > > > > > Can the eight ins be recorded on eight separate tracks while > simultaneously going to the eight outputs where they can be individually > routed to a front-of-house mixer? I'd love to use an 828 as a signal > splitter from a snake for FOH mixing while recording the individual tracks. > > Cheers, > > Bill Fox > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 26 20:43:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3R0gBp25637; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:42:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:42:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040427004202.31234.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:42:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: MOTU 828MkII as a Poor Man's Switchblade? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <19CD0203-97D1-11D8-8A9B-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Apr 26, 2004, at 5:23 PM, Bill Fox wrote: > > Can the eight ins be recorded on eight separate > tracks while > > simultaneously going to the eight outputs where > they can be > > individually routed to a front-of-house mixer? > I'd love to use an 828 > > as a signal splitter from a snake for FOH mixing > while recording the > > individual tracks. > > i'm sure they can. if they couldn't then Mark Of The > Unicorn couldn't > sell it as an audio interface. > > quite a beautiful sounding featureset, isn't it? i > can't wait to get > one. Me too. I've been thinking about it for a week now and decided to go for one. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 26 22:07:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3R25Ia05663; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:05:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:05:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c42bfb$f4490bb0$2c379e18@catherinkvwp76> From: "Michael and Nikki" To: References: <1082949851.408c80dba214b@www.suitandtieguy.com> <000d01c42b43$43a4e620$a0cba344@hppav> Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:00:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <1zxhqB.A.YYB.e_bjAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's a long, hard, boring way to do it, but if you're desperate this worked for me. I went on Gibson's website and printed up a list of all the authorized Gibson dealers in my state (N.C.). I then started at the top and called, called, made a sandwich, and called some more. I eventually found a dealership in Greensboro that had one in stock. This was about four weeks ago. The point is some of the EDP units were shipped to small, independent dealers who might still have one on the shelf. Don't bother with any of the big chains, because they usually cross reference interventory so if they're out, they're out system wide. It's a collossal pain, but it's the only way I can think of to find a new one if you need it immediately Good Luck Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 26 22:18:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3R2FrL06780; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:15:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:15:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c42bfd$5f235d90$2c379e18@catherinkvwp76> From: "Michael and Nikki" To: Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:14:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <3E6YO.A.zpB.ZJcjAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com uhh, that should read "cross-reference inventory" not sure how I came up with "interventory" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Nikki" To: Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? > It's a long, hard, boring way to do it, but if you're desperate this > worked for me. I went on Gibson's website and printed up a list of all the > authorized Gibson dealers in my state (N.C.). I then started at the top and > called, called, made a sandwich, and called some more. I eventually found a > dealership in Greensboro that had one in stock. This was about four weeks > ago. The point is some of the EDP units were shipped to small, independent > dealers who might still have one on the shelf. Don't bother with any of the > big chains, because they usually cross reference interventory so if they're > out, they're out system wide. > It's a colossal pain, but it's the only way I can think of to find a new > one if you need it immediately > Good Luck > Michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 27 01:15:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3R5Abc30105; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:10:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:10:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Where to get EDP+? Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:10:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <002e01c42bfd$5f235d90$2c379e18@catherinkvwp76> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcQr/ogzLMYMfEeaQhi6gMdMqOR08wAFuE/A Message-Id: <20040427051029.JAKV20062.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like "interventory" is inter-store inventory to me :) you may have forgotten to turn on overdub, and wrote over part of the mind dump. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Michael and Nikki [mailto:cosmicchai@charter.net] Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 7:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? uhh, that should read "cross-reference inventory" not sure how I came up with "interventory" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Nikki" To: Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Where to get EDP+? > It's a long, hard, boring way to do it, but if you're desperate this > worked for me. I went on Gibson's website and printed up a list of all the > authorized Gibson dealers in my state (N.C.). I then started at the top and > called, called, made a sandwich, and called some more. I eventually found a > dealership in Greensboro that had one in stock. This was about four weeks > ago. The point is some of the EDP units were shipped to small, independent > dealers who might still have one on the shelf. Don't bother with any of the > big chains, because they usually cross reference interventory so if they're > out, they're out system wide. > It's a colossal pain, but it's the only way I can think of to find a new > one if you need it immediately > Good Luck > Michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 27 03:27:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3R7Ljv11402; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:21:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:21:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <88FBF617-981B-11D8-B156-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig Spam (Seattle, Bellingham) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:21:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two acoustic guitar looping shows this week, one for all you folks up in Bellingham: Thursday, April 29, 8-10PM Stuart's (Bellingham) (1302 Bay Street) Friday, April 30, 8-10PM Zoka Coffee (2200 N. 56th Street) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 27 08:56:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3RCs2Y22195; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:54:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:54:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nikolai Onken" To: Subject: Re: what's everybody doing with Ableton Live? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:53:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcQrtVUZ0nBBdNNMSFyJr/Yp8wnjlgAoFHJQAABAhUA= Message-Id: <20040427125333.A763B35770@dd3032.kasserver.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Stauffer [mailto:michael@circular-logic.com] wrote: > I've got Live sync'ed to the tempo-tracking software I've been developing, so it follows the drummer. I'll Hey Michael, Do you have any more information about the "drum follower"? I would really like to see how you approach that problem. Regards, Nikolai From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 28 15:20:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3SJH4C26596; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:17:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:17:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9F03C764-9948-11D8-814C-0003939F02DA@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Budde Subject: Echoplex Audio I/O Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:16:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've checked the manual and can't find any information about the specifications of the audio in and out connectors. Are they balanced or unbalanced? +4dBU or -10dBU? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 28 18:42:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3SMccL01822; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:38:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:38:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - Experiences? Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:38:29 -0600 Message-ID: <001101c42d71$87f4ac90$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C42D3F.3D5A3C90" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C42D3F.3D5A3C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks - I currently play the acoustic guitar with the Boomerang and Boss Loop Station, and I ordered the Echoplex last week..should be here any day. It's unfortunate that most of these looping units are mono..I've always played in stereo, using rich choruses, panned delays, stereo reverbs, etc, but I also like to create loops with different effects on each layer. I read that you can link two Echoplex units, controlling them with the same foot controller. If this is true, I will likely order another Echoplex soon. Does anyone have experience with this? I basically want to run out of a few stereo rack effect units into two Echoplex units. Also, as a side note, I've figured out how to loop all my instruments (acoustic guitar, sitar, and tablas) with the same looping unit. I basically run my looper unit through the aux. channel of my mixing board. More specifically, I run the Aux 1 send of my mixing board to the input of the looping unit, then the output of the looping unit to one of the mixing board channels. Then, with my stereo effects unit running though the other Aux 2 channel, I add that stereo effect to the looping unit signal. I can loop as many instruments as there are available channels on my board, plus adding a separate effect level on the looping unit. If I get another Echoplex, I'll run them in the Aux loop as well, inserting them first in the chain before returning to the board's input. Kris Hartung info@krispenhartung.com http://www.krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C42D3F.3D5A3C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Running Two Echoplex Units in Stereo/Synced - = Experiences?

Hello folks -

I currently play the acoustic guitar = with the Boomerang and Boss Loop Station, and I ordered the Echoplex = last week….should be here any day.

It's unfortunate that most of these = looping units are mono….I've always played in stereo, using rich = choruses, panned delays, stereo reverbs, etc, but I also like to create = loops with different effects on each layer. I read that you can link two = Echoplex units, controlling them with the same foot controller. If this = is true, I will likely order another Echoplex soon. Does anyone have = experience with this? I basically want to run out of a few stereo rack = effect units into two Echoplex units.

Also, as a side note, I've figured = out how to loop all my instruments (acoustic guitar, sitar, and tablas) = with the same looping unit. I basically run my looper unit through the = aux. channel of my mixing board.  More specifically, I run the Aux = 1 send of my mixing board to the input of the looping unit, then the = output of the looping unit to one of the mixing board channels. Then, = with my stereo effects unit running though the other Aux 2 channel, I = add that stereo effect to the looping unit signal.  I can loop as = many instruments as there are available channels on my board, plus = adding a separate effect level on the looping unit. If I get another = Echoplex, I'll run them in the Aux loop as well, inserting them first in = the chain before returning to the board's input.

Kris Hartung
info@krispenhartung.com
http://www.krispenhartung.com



------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C42D3F.3D5A3C90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 29 00:16:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3T4EaX30771; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:14:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:14:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RODCSH1@aol.com Message-ID: <1d5.1ff17b94.2dc1db22@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:14:26 EDT Subject: Remove To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1083212066" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5016 Resent-Message-ID: <6434z.A.rgH.sEIkAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1083212066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remove -------------------------------1083212066 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Remove -------------------------------1083212066-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 29 08:40:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3TCXMg06211; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:33:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:33:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:36:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Paradis polyphonic nylon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3721160573&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:CH:1 seems the man does not understand what he is selling. the pickup is worth the immediate price. You can connect a Polysubbass: http://matthias.grob.org/pParad/ParaPoly.htm#Polysub to it to extract single strings and a beautifull bass, the one you can hear on all my recordings: http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm for example: http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/ppSound/MariBas.mp3 -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 29 16:32:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3TKQsL27043; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:26:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:26:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.131) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Apr 2004 20:24:57 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Yon P Mercury" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 04:26:47 +0800 Subject: Freewheeling live looping tool X-Originating-Ip: 199.126.165.30 X-Originating-Server: ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040429202647.6DBEC398001@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4rzX0D.A.amG.OUWkAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, friends. I'd like to invite you: http://home.graffiti.net/swirlee/freewheeling/index.html This page describes Freewheeling, a musical process and software tool. I've been working in this process for a few years and would like to share it with you. It represents the paradigm shift we've been going through in the music world. So I'm stepping out- what is the best way to share this process? Please take the tour, listen to the audio, and participate in the polls. Your feedback will help me determine my next steps-- I hope you are inspired by Freewheeling. What is Freewheeling? Freewheeling is an old and new way to be In The Muse-ical Moment. It is a fluid language for structured improvisation, built judiciously with digital technology. It is a prayer wheel. Freewheeling allows us to build repetitive grooves by sampling and directing loops from within Spirited improvisation. Freewheeling works because the technology is minimally intrusive: It respects the complete Presence that is necessary to enter trance and reach Art. So, Freewheeling aims to facilitate trance formation in the Present. ... have a look, and thanks. -Jan P Mercury -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 29 17:13:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3TL3Fv32040; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:03:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:03:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:01:33 +0200 Subject: Re: Freewheeling live looping tool From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040429202647.6DBEC398001@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-04-29 22.26, "Yon P Mercury" wrote: > Hi, friends. I'd like to invite you: > http://home.graffiti.net/swirlee/freewheeling/index.html Wow! :-D Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 29 17:32:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3TLNqa02417; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:23:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:23:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040429202647.6DBEC398001@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040429202647.6DBEC398001@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:18:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Freewheeling live looping tool Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1128848667==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1128848667==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 4:26 AM +0800 4/30/04, Yon P Mercury wrote: >Hi, friends. I'd like to invite you: >http://home.graffiti.net/swirlee/freewheeling/index.html Can't access the site. I get the following: Dear Member, Your account has exceeded the traffic quota limit for the day. Please try your action again later. If you require further information or explanation for this error, you may contact your customer support representative. Your Support Team -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1128848667==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Freewheeling live looping tool
At 4:26 AM +0800 4/30/04, Yon P Mercury wrote:
Hi, friends. I'd like to invite you:
http://home.graffiti.net/swirlee/freewheeling/index.html

Can't access the site. I get the following:

 Dear Member,

 Your account has exceeded the traffic quota limit for the day.
 Please try your action again later.

 If you require further information or explanation for this error,
 you may contact your customer support representative.

 Your Support Team
--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1128848667==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 29 17:43:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3TLaGB03878; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:36:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:36:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <20040429202647.6DBEC398001@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040429202647.6DBEC398001@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <35BD8AFE-9A25-11D8-8A1A-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Freewheeling live looping tool Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:36:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Apr 29, 2004, at 3:26 PM, Yon P Mercury wrote: > Hi, friends. I'd like to invite you: > http://home.graffiti.net/swirlee/freewheeling/index.html this is what i got: " Dear Member, Your account has exceeded the traffic quota limit for the day. Please try your action again later. If you require further information or explanation for this error, you may contact your customer support representative. Your Support Team " --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 29 18:35:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3TMVRQ11428; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:31:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:31:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: Freewheeling live looping tool Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:28:28 -0600 Message-ID: <000901c42e39$4bbfefa0$5b0710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C42E07.01270640" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C42E07.01270640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: Freewheeling live looping toolMust have exceeded the monthly bandwidth allotment. Looks like it got popular, Yon! ;-) I think it's a fascinating idea, software and technique both. Really wish that it either ran on Windows, or that all my other audio software/hardware was supported on Linux. *shrug* Ob la di. Here's a WACKY idea, Yon! If you could get your app to support MIDI (does it already?) and run on an integrated linux hardware platform (embedded possible with soundcard?), hosted in some kind of small, portable form factor, and then integrated something like these modules: http://www.ucapps.de/ And/or perhaps some of these: http://www.infusionsystems.com/products/index.shtml You could make a very interactive platform that I imagine would provide a more seamless (i.e. custom) interface for the app. Non-Linux saavy loopers would love you, and you'd probably get into awful debt doing something as silly as building your own propietary looping device, so how about it? ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 3:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Freewheeling live looping tool At 4:26 AM +0800 4/30/04, Yon P Mercury wrote: Hi, friends. I'd like to invite you: http://home.graffiti.net/swirlee/freewheeling/index.html Can't access the site. I get the following: Dear Member, Your account has exceeded the traffic quota limit for the day. Please try your action again later. If you require further information or explanation for this error, you may contact your customer support representative. Your Support Team -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C42E07.01270640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Freewheeling live looping tool
Must=20 have exceeded the monthly bandwidth allotment.  Looks like it got=20 popular, Yon!  ;-) 
 
I=20 think it's a fascinating idea, software and technique both.  Really = wish=20 that it either ran on Windows, or that all my other audio = software/hardware was=20 supported on Linux.  *shrug*  Ob la di.  =
 
Here's=20 a WACKY idea, Yon!
 
If you=20 could get your app to support MIDI (does it already?) and run on an = integrated linux hardware platform (embedded possible with soundcard?), = hosted=20 in some kind of small, portable form factor, and then integrated = something like=20 these modules:
 
http://www.ucapps.de/
 
And/or=20 perhaps some of these:
 
http://www.i= nfusionsystems.com/products/index.shtml
 
You=20 could make a very interactive platform that I imagine would provide a = more=20 seamless (i.e. custom) interface for the app.  Non-Linux saavy = loopers=20 would love you, and you'd probably get into awful debt doing something = as silly=20 as building your own propietary looping device, so how about it?=20 ;-)
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Zvonar=20 [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 3:19 = PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re:=20 Freewheeling live looping tool

At 4:26 AM +0800 4/30/04, Yon P Mercury wrote:
Hi, friends. I'd like to invite=20 you:
http://home.graffiti.net/swirlee/freewheeling/index.html

Can't access the site. I get the following:

 Dear=20 Member,

 Your account has = exceeded the=20 traffic quota limit for the day.
 Please try your = action again=20 later.

 If you require = further=20 information or explanation for this error,
 you may contact = your customer=20 support representative.

 Your Support=20 Team
--=20

______________________________________________________________Richard=20 Zvonar, PhD      
(818) = 788-2202  =        =20        =20        =20        =20
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C42E07.01270640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 30 01:29:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3U5Qtn01710; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:26:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:26:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4091E39C.30205@proaxis.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:26:52 -0700 From: Teresa Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Paradis polyphonic nylon References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is the relevant hardware available? Special cable, Polysubbass, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 30 02:38:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3U6bUs12040; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 02:37:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 02:37:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:37:19 +0200 Subject: Re: Freewheeling live looping tool From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On 04-04-29 22.26, "Yon P Mercury" wrote: > >> Hi, friends. I'd like to invite you: >> http://home.graffiti.net/swirlee/freewheeling/index.html > On 04-04-29 23.01, "Per Boysen" wrote: > > Wow! :-D > Read a little more today and had a listen to the sound files. Great music! Seems like you have created an interesting little application there, Yon. Unfortunately I have no spare pc around for a linux install but that might change ;-) Which Linux build is to be recommended for Freewheeling? Last summer I was just up to installing the Debian build when my motherboard crapped out. Now I got a mobo but then the transformer crashed - I assumed. Bought a new transformer and the thing is still dead. So either the CPU is out or the new mobo. Does anyone know if Linux can be run successfully on apple hardware? Thinking about eventually using a PowrBook for a second Linux bootable partition, beside OS X. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 30 11:31:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3UFSAw27333; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:28:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:28:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040430152808.47034.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Freewheeling live looping tool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Per Boysen wrote: > Does anyone know if Linux can be run successfully on apple hardware? Yeah, check out the Yellow Dog distribution. http://www.yellowdoglinux.com Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 30 17:25:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3ULMvl15765; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:22:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:22:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:23:00 -0700 Subject: new directions in static From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just wanted to send out a message of praise for Dan Soltzberg's new directions in static. Bass loops + drum machine + interesting noises (from the bass). Great chill music. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ghost7 Mark