From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 02:12:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2178kD12348; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 02:08:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 02:08:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1E06EE10.36D399F1.00158E44@aol.com> References: <1E06EE10.36D399F1.00158E44@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 02:06:12 -0500 To: the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com, ambient@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, IMUG Maillist , "After Effects Mail List" , bionaut From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: OT -- Gear for field recording industrial sounds Cc: "Brian D. Solomon" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI, A friend of mine("Brian D. Solomon" ) wants to do a project involving field recording of old and very noisy diesel locomotives, and is looking for advice on microphones and recording gear. He needs to be able to record very low frequency sounds, and the gear needs to be rugged, as he will have to do a lot of hiking to get to the locations where he wants to record. He asked me for suggestions, but I haven't done any sophisticated field recording, so I'm hoping some of you will have ideas. If you do, and could be so kind to email Brian directly, he (and I) would appreciate it. His address again, is, "Brian D. Solomon" Thanks. -- "Any universe simple enough to be understood is too simple to produce a mind able to understand it" -- John D. Barrow This conjecture strikes me as a logical extension of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 02:15:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i217D8i13123; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 02:13:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 02:13:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Victor Nicholls Subject: RE: new kind of audio processing Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 07:13:06 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Get the feel of it from the first product out: A VST plugin about > pitch changing: How about an Audio Units version? Looks great. v From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 02:20:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i217IGJ13665; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 02:18:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 02:18:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1E06EE10.36D399F1.00158E44@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:17:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT -- Gear for field recording industrial sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >HI, > >A friend of mine("Brian D. Solomon" ) wants to >do a project involving field recording of old and very noisy diesel >locomotives, and is looking for advice on microphones and recording >gear. You may want to send a message to the DAT-heads digest: dat-heads-subscribe@datheads.phish.net. Surely someone there can offer assistance. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 02:34:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i217U1414560; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 02:30:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 02:30:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012d01c3ff5e$f7027d10$0100a8c0@zen> From: "Bohus Blahut" To: References: <1E06EE10.36D399F1.00158E44@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT -- Gear for field recording industrial sounds Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:29:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >A friend of mine("Brian D. Solomon" ) wants to >do a project involving field recording of old and very noisy diesel >locomotives, and is looking for advice on microphones and recording >gear. I know a lot of folks who use MiniDisc to record sounds for films, looping, binaural nature recording, etc. It's a nice little format, and not as expensive to get into as DAT. Having said that, you'll find lots of great advice at the DAT-heads mailing list and also at www.minidisc.org. You can also write to the mailing list at MD-L@amulation.com - Bohus Blahut (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot) modern filmmaker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 04:28:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i219S1325578; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 04:28:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 04:28:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040301092755.90071.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:27:55 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: new kind of audio processing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040301021803.25617.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- S V G wrote: > > Matthais, > > Might I make a gentle suggestion to rename your > software? As a non-native speaker of > English, you may not have the same associations with > the word Chopitch that others of us may have. > The association with "Chop-itch" is just too easy > to make. The jump from there to "Jock-itch" is > also too easy. I recognize that you are probably > trying to combine "chop" and "pitch", though for > me, as a native English speaker, the combination > does not flow well... > > This is my initial impression of the word > "Chopitch". I would hate to see all your wonderful > work not get taken as seriously as it might if it > had a different name. Ha! The 1st association I made was with the word "kapeesh". Maybe I've been watching my Sopranos videos too much. "Yo Paulie, loop THIS!!!" :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 06:00:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i21Au9X01821; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 05:56:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 05:56:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040301105603.8993.qmail@web60709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 02:56:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Adrian O'Connell" Subject: Re: OT -- Gear for field recording industrial sounds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 'A friend of mine("Brian D. Solomon" ) wants to do a project involving field recording of old and very noisy diesel locomotives, and is looking for advice on microphones and recording gear' Hi I have recorded a lot of live music (certainly very noisy!) and a brilliant and extremely cheap method is to use a recordable minidisc machine WITH a Sony ECM stereo microphone. Just make sure you can set the recording level on the minidisc machine, and that you get the right Sony microphone: I use an ECM MS907. Theres a more expensive ECM MS957 which apparently lets less noise from handling it get into the actual recording but the cheaper mike is fantastic . (the fact its stereo is a lot of fun too, I recorded a practice recently and listening to it back on decent headphones you can place the musicians around the room.. drums on the left, me in the middle.. on the right my Da coming in to tell us its time for lunch..!) Hope thats a help, Adrian --- "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" wrote: > HI, > > A friend of mine("Brian D. Solomon" > ) wants to do > a project involving field recording of old and very > noisy diesel > locomotives, and is looking for advice on > microphones and recording > gear. > > He needs to be able to record very low frequency > sounds, and the gear > needs to be rugged, as he will have to do a lot of > hiking to get to > the locations where he wants to record. > > He asked me for suggestions, but I haven't done any > sophisticated > field recording, so I'm hoping some of you will have > ideas. If you > do, and could be so kind to email Brian directly, he > (and I) would > appreciate it. His address again, is, "Brian D. > Solomon" > > > Thanks. > > > -- > "Any universe simple enough to be understood is too > simple to produce > a mind able to understand it" -- John D. Barrow > > This conjecture strikes me as a logical extension of > Godel's > Incompleteness Theorem. > > > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade > Center" at > http://www.foryourhead.com > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 06:36:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i21BZJ705582; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 06:35:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 06:35:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:36:22 +0100 Subject: Midi pedal for EDP From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: Ewz+7YZH8ecggoHoG5qdYtB6bEkSNhacWQEN4gi46s9lVAGlp7Zr85 Resent-Message-ID: <5lDjXC.A.EXB.3_xQAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, since the FC-7 for my EDP starts to act funny (those red switches, you know) I guess I better move on and try to get me a Midi pedal to control the EDP. What can you recommend that is dependable and not too big? I don't want to go for the Behringer FCB1010: too troublesome to programm, too big (I don't really need expression pedals) plus I heard a lot about breakdowns with Behringer. I had the Boss FC-50 once and that seemed o.k. but is probably lacking options with it's five plus one A/B button? What kind of functions do you really need when you want to take advantage of Loop IV? Thanks in advance, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 08:21:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i21DIPX19761; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:18:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:18:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Midi pedal for EDP Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:18:22 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Midi pedal for EDP Thread-Index: AcP/gVCKmOqHmaI3Tv216nTX0zTGmwADfYvg From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2004 13:18:23.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC2A5ED0:01C3FF8F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i21DIOo19734 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At the bare minimum, you need a unit with at least as many buttons as the EFC7 (preferably more). The buttons need to be programmable and all of the buttons need to be able to send either CC or Note On/Off messages. Plus the buttons need to be able to perform as momentary switches. Note: The FC-50 will NOT work with the EDP. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Willers [mailto:A.Willers@t-online.de] > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:36 AM > To: LD to post > Subject: Midi pedal for EDP > > Hi all, > > since the FC-7 for my EDP starts to act funny (those red switches, you know) > I guess I better move on and try to get me a Midi pedal to control the EDP. > What can you recommend that is dependable and not too big? > > I don't want to go for the Behringer FCB1010: too troublesome to programm, > too big (I don't really need expression pedals) plus I heard a lot about > breakdowns with Behringer. I had the Boss FC-50 once and that seemed o.k. > but is probably lacking options with it's five plus one A/B button? What > kind of functions do you really need when you want to take advantage of Loop > IV? > > Thanks in advance, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 09:21:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i21EKTB28920; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:20:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:20:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c3ff98$cc75cd10$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20040229173513.32750.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CD legal settlement Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:23:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <2n37VB.A.xDH.ta0QAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could someone who got one of these checks scan an image for me? It would be useful and appreciated. Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 10:14:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i21FAOn03450; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 10:10:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 10:10:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040301151018.71990.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 07:10:18 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: echoplex mdi sync help! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, i am having problems with my EDP brother sync function when i plug in the cable from master to slave i record a loop then i get a very nasty static noise and the master stops with a sign on the lcd that reads n,d, anybody knows whats happening? Louie ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 11:16:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i21GCZh12258; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:12:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:12:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 16:12:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2004 16:12:29.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEB482D0:01C3FFA7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Guess what, having just honed may FCB1010 to control my EDP like a well matched pair, have I taken the weekend out to revel in my accomplishments and enjoy the new found inner harmony of havng technology that works........No, instead Ive been running halfway accross the county to Leeds to buy one of the only Repeaters that I have ever seen for sale in the UK. well, anyways I got it and it all lights up and works in a very nice manner indeed, but (and here come the questions) I need a little help to make it sit nicly in my rig and play well with the other toys. basically I would like to do the following, Control both the EDP (With LOOP4) and the repeater(V 1.1) with my FCB1010 AND Have the EDP act as the master for syncing the repeater to ( so I could make an inital ambient groove with the edp, then add bass, rythmic taps and so on to the repeaters tracks so could independantly control them.. could someone post a chain that would allow me to do this, Im figuring FCB1010 out>EDP In>EDP THRU> Repeater In (but how would this accomedate the clocks?) Ive also come across posts telling of the bad midi spread sheet or progamming my boar, does anyone have the correct version? I am currantly sending Notes so control te edp so I figure if I use the other type for contoling the repeater i will avoid any conflicts? I think thats all , anyone able to help me? Cheers Phill P.S. yes I have spent all day with the archives and the repeater user group, Theres lots of info but Im not sure how it all fits togeather in the contex of what i would like to do. _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 11:56:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i21Gq3B18186; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:52:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:52:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:51:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcP/qLoznUEWKXbDRhGb9YI/vWnpNwABE77Q Message-Id: <20040301165155.CAO5081.fed1mtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are several on the list with both--I don't--try using the MIDI out for your "thru" from the EDP, it will "pipe" the MIDI data as well as send clock. Gary -----Original Message----- From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! basically I would like to do the following, Control both the EDP (With LOOP4) and the repeater(V 1.1) with my FCB1010 AND Have the EDP act as the master for syncing the repeater to ( so I could make an inital ambient groove with the edp, then add bass, rythmic taps and so on to the repeaters tracks so could independantly control them.. could someone post a chain that would allow me to do this, Im figuring FCB1010 out>EDP In>EDP THRU> Repeater In (but how would this accomedate the clocks?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 12:43:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i21Hf1924699; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:41:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:41:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:40:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-03-01 17.12, "lol c" wrote: > Control both the EDP (With LOOP4) and the repeater(V 1.1) with my FCB1010 > > AND > > Have the EDP act as the master for syncing the repeater to That's a very good set-up IMHO. > could someone post a chain that would allow me to do this, Im figuring > FCB1010 out>EDP In>EDP THRU> Repeater In (but how would this accomedate the > clocks?) I don't remember, but it is very simple because I usually figure it out each time I connect my rack devices. One issue is that the EDP midi out and midi through works differently for midi clock syncing. I think it was something with song start or the EDP mute function. Anyway, I like my set-up to stop the repeater when when I mute the EDP so I can make lead instrument breaks and kick in all loops on the following beat no 1. If it doesn't work like I want with the midi out I just move the midi cable to the midi through and vice versa ;-) > Ive also come across posts telling of the bad midi spread sheet or > progamming my boar, does anyone have the correct version? Yes, I think this is the midi prgr ch for the repeater's record switch. In real life it's one entity off, higher or lower, compared to what is given by the manual. Be sure to download the pdf updates to the manual from the Electrixpro site. > I am currantly sending Notes so control te edp so I figure if I use the > other type for contoling the repeater i will avoid any conflicts? You'll have to. The repeater can't be controlled by midi note numbers (see midi spec's). But there is one very cool feature that is working with midi note numbers and that is if you have a loop going in the repeater and push the pitch button and select one track while sending midi notes. What happens then is that the repeater starts to handle that track "as a sampler", pitch shifting it according to the midi notes you play. Only one track of the loop is affected and the machine does the correct time stretching to keep the groove and loop length intact. This is also working for a track in recording mode. I use to play with this with a midi guitar, recording the guitar audio output into the repeater and at the same time having the generated midi note data pitch the loop. It can feel frustrating for the brain in a similar way that you feel as a child when trying to play the piano with both hands and think two melodies at the same time. Just try it out, it's a very funny game ;-) Another good advice for starting out is that feedback is handled differently by the RPTR. While the EDP adapts to the feedback setting all the time the RPTR only does with the tracks that are in recording mode. So as for setting up your FCB1010, it's a good idea to have the same button you use for selecting a certain track also arming one of the expression pedals to control the feedback for the same track. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 20:38:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i221Y6906631; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:34:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:34:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4043E48B.50605@iinet.net.au> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:34:03 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Macintosh/20040208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new kind of audio processing References: <20040301092755.90071.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040301092755.90071.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >Ha! The 1st association I made was with the word >"kapeesh". Maybe I've been watching my Sopranos >videos too much. "Yo Paulie, loop THIS!!!" :) > >John > > > I was thinking a different paulie as well - the shore variety, as in "check out the chopitch buuuddddy" omjn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 1 23:46:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i224fGQ13435; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 23:41:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 23:41:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20040301214122.007ac8d0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 21:41:22 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Farewell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, it's been a while since I've posted. I just wanted to send a little note to say farewell. Please feel free to stay in touch with me privately, if any of you would like, and if you'd like to reply to this, please do privately, as I'll already be gone by the time you read this. I wish all of you the very best in your creative pursuits and in general. TTFN and have a great evening! Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Fri. 02.06.04 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 2 01:14:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i226Ce624829; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 01:12:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 01:12:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040302061234.53445.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:12:34 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: EDP malfunction - software problem? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-277048592-1078207954=:51061" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-277048592-1078207954=:51061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii working fine yesterday and this afternoon, one of my slave EDPs goes bonkers. stops responding to midi commands, won't respond to front panel PARAMETER press, resets itself from 4 loops to one loop, reads "198" but every once in a while after powering down and up, i get something like "tttttttt" or "7777777". if i hold PARAMETER down while powering up, i can stay in parameters for about 5 seconds before the unit reverts to displaying "198" and just plain refusing to cooperate. please tell me this is a simple matter of replacing the eeproms...it's awful timing for sending it to shane as i've got a handful of gigs coming up very soon. -jim --0-277048592-1078207954=:51061 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
working fine yesterday and this afternoon, one of my slave EDPs goes bonkers.  stops responding to midi commands, won't respond to front panel PARAMETER press, resets itself from 4 loops to one loop, reads "198" but every once in a while after powering down and up, i get something like "tttttttt" or "7777777".  if i hold PARAMETER down while powering up, i can stay in parameters for about 5 seconds before the unit reverts to displaying "198" and just plain refusing to cooperate.
 
please tell me this is a simple matter of replacing the eeproms...it's awful timing for sending it to shane as i've got a handful of gigs coming up very soon.
 
-jim
--0-277048592-1078207954=:51061-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 2 02:12:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2278Zd31368; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 02:08:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 02:08:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Midi pedal for EDP Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 02:08:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcP/gWBrrrTlMTL0RuSuVpVDZkgRNgAo4wLw X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.12.148.13] at Tue, 2 Mar 2004 01:08:33 -0600 Message-Id: <20040302070834.OOQX2031.out003.verizon.net@home> Resent-Message-ID: <83sPO.A.BqH.zLDRAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like my Behringer. Not bad at all to program (certainly the EDP has more to understand) especially with the PC Editor- its easy! The Behringer is the cheapest pedal out there that can send note on messages, which the EDP needs. Use the expression pedals for feedback- it works great. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Hi all, > > since the FC-7 for my EDP starts to act funny (those red > switches, you know) I guess I better move on and try to get > me a Midi pedal to control the EDP. > What can you recommend that is dependable and not too big? > > I don't want to go for the Behringer FCB1010: too troublesome > to programm, too big (I don't really need expression pedals) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 2 02:18:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i227H4S32344; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 02:17:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 02:17:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040302071658.85297.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 23:16:58 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Midi pedal for EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040302070834.OOQX2031.out003.verizon.net@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dave, which PC editor are you using to program the FCB 1010? --- hazard factor wrote: > I like my Behringer. Not bad at all to program > (certainly the EDP has more > to understand) especially with the PC Editor- its > easy! > The Behringer is the cheapest pedal out there that > can send note on > messages, which the EDP needs. Use the expression > pedals for feedback- it > works great. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > since the FC-7 for my EDP starts to act funny > (those red > > switches, you know) I guess I better move on and > try to get > > me a Midi pedal to control the EDP. > > What can you recommend that is dependable and not > too big? > > > > I don't want to go for the Behringer FCB1010: too > troublesome > > to programm, too big (I don't really need > expression pedals) > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 2 03:08:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2286rs05595; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 03:06:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 03:06:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Midi pedal for EDP Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 03:06:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040302071658.85297.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQAJoj5fH1vwPopRXyxAhYfwV/jagABoBsA X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.12.148.13] at Tue, 2 Mar 2004 02:06:52 -0600 Message-Id: <20040302080652.KEEN9273.out002.verizon.net@home> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2286qo05570 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the FCB Yahoo Group, one of the members wrote a wonderful editor for PC...it makes programming take 1/4 the time. I think you gotta join the group to have access to the files, though. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/ Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 2:17 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Midi pedal for EDP > > Hi Dave, > which PC editor are you using to program the FCB 1010? > > > --- hazard factor wrote: > > I like my Behringer. Not bad at all to program (certainly > the EDP has > > more to understand) especially with the PC Editor- its easy! > > The Behringer is the cheapest pedal out there that can send note on > > messages, which the EDP needs. Use the expression pedals > for feedback- > > it works great. > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > since the FC-7 for my EDP starts to act funny > > (those red > > > switches, you know) I guess I better move on and > > try to get > > > me a Midi pedal to control the EDP. > > > What can you recommend that is dependable and not > > too big? > > > > > > I don't want to go for the Behringer FCB1010: too > > troublesome > > > to programm, too big (I don't really need > > expression pedals) > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 2 03:42:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i228e4u09533; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 03:40:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 03:40:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040302004126.04d2c5f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:42:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP malfunction - software problem? In-Reply-To: <20040302061234.53445.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040302061234.53445.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com try reseating and/or cleaning contacts on eproms, memory simms, and anything else in a socket. If that doesn't work, it's broken and needs somebody to repair it. kim At 10:12 PM 3/1/2004, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote: >working fine yesterday and this afternoon, one of my slave EDPs goes >bonkers. stops responding to midi commands, won't respond to front panel >PARAMETER press, resets itself from 4 loops to one loop, reads "198" but >every once in a while after powering down and up, i get something like >"tttttttt" or "7777777". if i hold PARAMETER down while powering up, i >can stay in parameters for about 5 seconds before the unit reverts to >displaying "198" and just plain refusing to cooperate. > >please tell me this is a simple matter of replacing the eeproms...it's >awful timing for sending it to shane as i've got a handful of gigs coming >up very soon. > >-jim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 2 03:48:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i228jLF10321; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 03:45:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 03:45:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040302004520.02dff550@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:48:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:12 AM 3/1/2004, lol c wrote: >could someone post a chain that would allow me to do this, Im figuring >FCB1010 out>EDP In>EDP THRU> Repeater In (but how would this accomedate >the clocks?) use Midi OUT on the echoplex, not thru. The echoplex MIDIpipe function will intelligently send anything from the MIDI input to the output and merge it with whatever midi messages (like clock) that it generates. >I am currantly sending Notes so control te edp so I figure if I use the >other type for contoling the repeater i will avoid any conflicts? just put them on different midi channels. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 2 09:12:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i22E6eD20663; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:06:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:06:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:06:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2004 14:06:33.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[917FA010:01C4005F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ta avery much all of you, I cant wait to get this all working correctly, Ive just made a nice sloping case for them both ad they look just so cool. I'll report back how they play. Phill _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 2 09:14:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i22EADV21144; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:10:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:10:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <057401c40060$899350d0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20040229173513.32750.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com> <005501c3ff98$cc75cd10$0207a8c0@Stephen> Subject: London Looping? Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:13:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recall some discussion of this last year, involving some dates in the midst of March, and a primary site that has high-speed internet broadcast capability. Has this gone the way of all flesh, or is it an active concept? Anyone? Anyone? Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 2 10:12:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i22FAiF30764; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:10:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:10:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4044A369.10403@soundscapes.us> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 10:08:25 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #362 for February 26, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040226.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #362 February 26, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the Ambient Music Mailing List, part of Hyperreal's music resource archives. The Featured CD at Midnight was "ambient.02@hyperreal" disc two by members of the mailing list. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Defense de" by Birge, Gorge, and Shiroc on GRRR Records. Ambient Music List - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#feb PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Birge, Gorge, Shiroc Crever Defense de (GRRR) Under the Dome Wired Beneath the Hot Over the Pond (Cochlear Spot Vision) Par Example Flarepath Pharos (Quantum) Tangerine Dream track 1 Bootleg Boxset Vol 1 Disc 2 Keller and Schowalder Dedier a Papathanassiou Noir (Manikin) E. Vangelis - Movement 1 VA [eM] Galaxies Like Grains of ambient.02@hyperreal disc 2 Sand VA [Numina] A Silent Haunting ambient.02@hyperreal disc 2 VA [Jonathan Hughes] Isklaks ambient.02@hyperreal disc 2 12:00 am VA [dreamSTATE] The Storm Within ambient.02@hyperreal disc 2 VA [Musical Nature] Measured in Kelvin Pt.3 ambient.02@hyperreal disc 2 VA [Amongst Myselves] Ra's Playground ambient.02@hyperreal disc 2 VA [Falling You] Nine ambient.02@hyperreal disc 2 VA [Craig Padila] Between Realms ambient.02@hyperreal disc 2 VA [{'JackTheTab'}] Summer Chill Out ambient.02@hyperreal disc 2 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll start a month-long focus on the Zero Ohms. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "True Degrees of Freedom" on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "No Pussyfooting" by Fripp and Eno on the Antilles label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 2 10:50:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i22FlhY05388; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:47:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:47:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4044AC15.6090203@soundscapes.us> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 10:45:25 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for February, 2004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4Tn19C.A.FUB.fyKRAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/top20feb.html

WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for February, 2004.
Shows #359 to #362; 5-February-2004 to 26-February-2004
Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order.
Compiled by Bill Fox
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic


ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
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Alexander Volodin - Reflections of Time - Electroshock
Constance Demby - Spirit Trance - Valley Entertainment
Don Slepian - CDR from the artist - none
Fanger and Schonwalder - Analog Overdose 2 - Manikin
Frank Gingeleit - Selections - Living Tunes
Jean Michel Jarre - Les Granges Brulees - Dreyfus
Keller and Schowalder - Noir - Manikin
Kent Sparling - Under New Manna - Purling
Klangwelt - The Age of Numbers - Spheric
The Ministry of Inside Things - Everlasting Moment - Synkronos
Palancar - Momerath - Blue Water
Palancar - Vast - mp3.com
Par Example - Pharos - Quantum
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 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 2 12:26:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i22HNg620365; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:23:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:23:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 12:06:43 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Farewell To: Cara Quinn , loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004201c4007b$559f57e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3.0.5.32.20040301214122.007ac8d0@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dearest Cara- I know I speak for many when I say your absence will be sadly felt. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net > Hi All, it's been a while since I've posted. I just wanted to send a > little note to say farewell. Please feel free to stay in touch with me > privately, if any of you would like, and if you'd like to reply to this, > please do privately, as I'll already be gone by the time you read this. > I wish all of you the very best in your creative pursuits and in general. > > TTFN and have a great evening! > > Smiles, > > Cara > > > > > --- > > View my online portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 > -Last updated on Fri. 02.06.04 > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 2 13:24:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i22II4d29691; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:18:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:18:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040302181752.94955.qmail@web80213.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:17:52 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: EDP malfunction - software problem? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040302004126.04d2c5f0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-639501331-1078251472=:90485" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-639501331-1078251472=:90485 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks kim. i've already contact shane... -jim --0-639501331-1078251472=:90485 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

thanks kim.  i've already contact shane...

-jim

--0-639501331-1078251472=:90485-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 2 16:26:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i22LJcA24247; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:19:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:19:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.140.8.2] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping show: Rick Walker & Matt Davignon in SF this thursday Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:19:31 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2004 21:19:31.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D8A92A0:01C4009C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thought I'd mention this: I book unusual and experimental music the first thursday of every month at the Luggage Store in San Francisco. (And other organizers book the other thursdays, so there's something every week. This week's show will feature Rick Walker's Looppool and a duo between vocalist Dina Emerson and myself. Thursday, Mar 4 2004 8:00 PM $6-10 sliding scale Luggage Store Gallery 1007 Market St. (at 6th Street) San Francisco 8pm: Dina Emerson (voice) with Matt Davignon (processing/electronics) 9pm: Rick Walker's Loop-pooL Rick Walker is a world-class percussionist with over 25 years of experience under his belt. Currently he's best known for the numerous "Looping Festivals" he organizes around Santa Cruz. Using electronic real-time sampling/looping devices, pitch changers and other electronics, he creates strange yet accessible music from household objects and unusual instruments. www.looppool.info Dina Emerson is a vocalist specializing in new music & new opera. Since 1990 she has been a member of the Meredith Monk Vocal Ensemble, recording & touring the USA, Europe and Asia. Dina has also been a lead singer with Cirque du Soleil, for the shows "O" and Mystere." Other artists with whom she has worked include Tan Dun, David Soldier, John Kelly & Co., Nam Jun Paik, Miya Masaoka, Ken Butler, Nick Brooke and the Bay Area noise band The Abstractions. www.bayimproviser.com/dinaemerson Matt Davignon of Oakland, California has been performing and recording experimental music for the last 10 years. Primarily self-taught, he has developed a unique form of intuitive improvisation focusing on textures, arrhythmic patterns and musical imperfections. www.soundclick.com/mattdavignon Every Thursday, Outsound and Detritus.net present unusual, experimental and improvised music at the Luggage Store Gallery in San Francisco. Located downtown, it's the longest running series of its kind in the Bay Area. Indoor bicycle parking is available, and we don't mind if you bring in outside food and non-alcoholic drink. (Taqueria Cancun is next door!) Nobody will be turned away for lack of funds. Also, my newest cd, "Music at 1/2 Speed" is available at Amoeba (Berkeley), Aquarius Records (SF), and: http://www.edgetonerecords.com/davignon.html _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar – includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 2 16:45:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i22La6027224; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:36:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:36:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:35:56 EST Subject: Check out Get With the Interaction - Using computers in a live performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c4.68d2738.2d76583c_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10582 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c4.68d2738.2d76583c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this may be of interest to some.....Click here: Get With the Interaction - Using computers in a live performance --part1_c4.68d2738.2d76583c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this may be of interest to some.....= C= lick here: Get With the Interaction - Using computers in a live performance<= /A> --part1_c4.68d2738.2d76583c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 11:15:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i23G94i29338; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 11:09:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 11:09:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 16:08:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2004 16:08:58.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[D58DA510:01C40139] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey All, I hit a new problem, I have Program changes 1-16 on the echoplex controling the Preset loading. ALL of these Programme changes also trigger an action in the repeater, So if press my button to load EDP preset 1 it will also trigger a function in the repeater or visa versa when I select record or whatever for the repeater it also triggers the loading of a preset in the EDP. what can I do to get around this? As far as I know the Berhinger FC1010 only transmits on one channel which is chosen globally.(currantly channel1 for both the repeater and the EDP) so I cant have my EDP banks sending to channel 1 and Repeater sending to channel 2 ( or can I ?) Help me Obi Wan, Your My Only Hope!!! Phill >From: "lol c" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:06:33 +0000 > >Ta avery much all of you, > >I cant wait to get this all working correctly, Ive just made a nice sloping >case for them both ad they look just so cool. > >I'll report back how they play. > >Phill > >_________________________________________________________________ >Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 11:49:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i23GjKj05912; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 11:45:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 11:45:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:45:17 +0000 Subject: Re: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <26D866E4-6D32-11D8-B178-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I understand you correctly, what you're trying to do is certainly possible. You can transmit on several channels per preset with the FCB. Go into Config mode by holding down the down button while powering up. In config mode, keep pressing the Up button until the MIDI Function LED starts flashing. Select buttons 1 - 5 to assign various midi channels for PC changes. Once you've done this, you can program each preset to send out PC changes on up to 5 channels simultaneously. On Wednesday, March 3, 2004, at 04:08 pm, lol c wrote: > Hey All, > > I hit a new problem, I have Program changes 1-16 on the echoplex > controling the Preset loading. > ALL of these Programme changes also trigger an action in the repeater, > So if press my button to load EDP preset 1 it will also trigger a > function in the repeater or visa versa when I select record or > whatever for the repeater it also triggers the loading of a preset in > the EDP. > > what can I do to get around this? As far as I know the Berhinger > FC1010 only transmits on one channel which is chosen > globally.(currantly channel1 for both the repeater and the EDP) so I > cant have my EDP banks sending to channel 1 and Repeater sending to > channel 2 ( or can I ?) > > > Help me Obi Wan, Your My Only Hope!!! > Phill > >> From: "lol c" >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! >> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:06:33 +0000 >> >> Ta avery much all of you, >> >> I cant wait to get this all working correctly, Ive just made a nice >> sloping case for them both ad they look just so cool. >> >> I'll report back how they play. >> >> Phill >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! >> http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 11:54:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i23GqMH07691; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 11:52:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 11:52:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 17:50:40 +0100 Subject: Midi control for EDP, again From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: V8BkY4ZBZerZQOOPa84grYKJo3fOyYn5X+shCEMkqVbkI23S5BWHZI Resent-Message-ID: <59mjbB.A.E4B.F1gRAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, and thanks for the input so far. Call me crazy, I can't seem to warm up with the behringer at all. At least I'll give it a tryout sometime...my friend says his will be coming back from repair at Behringer any day now and when it worked he really liked it. Am I wrong or is/was the Digitech pmc10 more compact than the Behringer? Does anybody want to sell one of those? Since I so much dislike a cramped stage floor - could a table top unit like the Doepfer Pocket Control maybe do the job? Thanks again for the input, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 12:12:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i23H8D111289; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:08:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:08:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "spaceranger \(E-mail\)" Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 10:08:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c40142$2efe17d0$270710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The 1010 can up to 5 PC messages, 2 CC messages, 2 sweeping CC messages via the expression pedals, and 1 note on message. Each of these individual messages takes 1 'slot' in the global midi configuration. For example, you could choose to have the 3rd PC message 'slot' (out of 5) ALWAYS send out on midi channel 9, or any other channel (configured globally for that particular midi message 'slot' in the 1010 presets), whereas the 2nd PC message 'slot' could send out on midi channel 3, and the 1st on midi channel 1. You configure the outgoing midi channel for each of the 10 midi message type 'slots' in the global config menu of the 1010. Does this make sense? -----Original Message----- From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! Hey All, I hit a new problem, I have Program changes 1-16 on the echoplex controling the Preset loading. ALL of these Programme changes also trigger an action in the repeater, So if press my button to load EDP preset 1 it will also trigger a function in the repeater or visa versa when I select record or whatever for the repeater it also triggers the loading of a preset in the EDP. what can I do to get around this? As far as I know the Berhinger FC1010 only transmits on one channel which is chosen globally.(currantly channel1 for both the repeater and the EDP) so I cant have my EDP banks sending to channel 1 and Repeater sending to channel 2 ( or can I ?) Help me Obi Wan, Your My Only Hope!!! Phill >From: "lol c" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:06:33 +0000 > >Ta avery much all of you, > >I cant wait to get this all working correctly, Ive just made a nice sloping >case for them both ad they look just so cool. > >I'll report back how they play. > >Phill > >_________________________________________________________________ >Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 12:30:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i23HQDA15598; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:26:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:26:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Chris Malcolm" To: Subject: Reaktor 4 on-the-fly Looper - "FlyLooper" Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:26:09 -0000 Message-ID: <000501c40144$9ec15210$0bc9c9c9@TEHRAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C40144.9EC15210" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C40144.9EC15210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KQ's FlyLooper This "live-looping" Reaktor 4 ensemble allows you to start / stop loop recording, allowing you to set the loop length. Once you have recorded your loop, it starts playing (only if 'play' button is on). You may then activate overdubbing to record parts over the original loop. Max Loop length 20secs. 16 loops may be stored. Default Controls Midi Note 60 = Record on/off Midi Note 62 = Overdub on/off Midi Note 64 = Mute Input on/off Midi Note 65 = Play on/off Note : You can map any of these buttons to midi controllers via Reaktor's 'Midi Learn' function, just right click on the button and select 'Midi Learn' and move the controller/hit the midi key you wish to control the button with. Download FlyLooper v1 from http:// www.kidquaalude.com Enjoy, KidQuaalude web : http:// www.kidquaalude.com mail : KidQuaalude@email.com ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C40144.9EC15210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
KQ's = FlyLooper

This "live-looping"=20 Reaktor 4 ensemble allows = you to=20 start / stop loop recording, allowing you to set the loop length. Once = you have=20 recorded your loop, it starts playing (only if 'play' button is on). You = may=20 then activate overdubbing to record parts over the original loop. Max = Loop=20 length 20secs. 16 loops may be=20 stored.

Default=20 Controls
Midi Note 60 =3D Record on/off
Midi Note = 62 =3D=20 Overdub on/off
Midi Note 64 =3D Mute Input on/off
Midi Note 65 =3D = Play=20 on/off
 
Note : = You=20 can map any of these buttons to midi controllers via Reaktor's 'Midi = Learn'=20 function, just right click on the button and select 'Midi Learn' and = move the=20 controller/hit the midi key you wish to control the button=20 with.
 
 
Enjoy,
 
KidQuaalude
 
web :=20 http://www.kidquaalude.com
mail : KidQuaalude@email.com
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C40144.9EC15210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 14:02:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i23Iwal03083; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:58:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:58:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:59:25 -0500 Subject: ETHEL and LAURIE- Nyc From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <700w6B.A.Dw.criRAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope - it's not a wedding announcement. Just some thoughts on a great show..... Anyone else check out that excellent show last week - THU 2/26 at Merkin Hall, NYC?? When I was sitting AT the show - I said "Oops - I should have pre-arranged some kinda looper meeting spot... Anyway - great show!!! ETHEL kick a lot of ass.. Todd and friends really it the crowd hard...i think they had at least as many fans there as Ms L. ! Some fine fine pieces, and we got to see a couple twice due to tech errors - the quartet did some re-takes AFTER the end of Laurie's show. Bonus!! And the inimitable Laurie Anderson was as always - fantastic..sublime. She did a kinda 'retro' show for her -- the recent two times I saw her she had the band with Peter Scherer, and the other time was the Moby Dick treatment. But - this was good ol' Laurie--one woman show..witha keyboard, midi bass pedals, a couple modules and fx - and a mackie (?) mixer. Simple setup. She also played her NEW violin - apparently customs had loast her prized older one (boo!). She would set up a drone or ambient synth pad..and tell her unique stories and always astute observations. She is re-visiting an old fave topic - LANGUAGE and also taking a wry look at this thing we call ART. Very cool 'works in progress' - stay tuned!! The show will be re-broadcast on WNYC 93.9FM as well as www.wnyc.org on WED MAR 10 - 11pm ET. Portions of the set by both ETHEL and Laurie will be broadcast. Cheers!! Andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 14:13:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i23J7fU05686; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 14:07:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 14:07:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 14:08:24 -0500 Subject: Andre - WPRB - July 4 2003 -Archived Live Looping.. From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello... Finally - after some technical errors on the recording hard-drive - this show has been put up for listening/free download. It's guitar, synths, samples, analog treatments and tons o'looping. http://www.doctorcosmo.com/wprb/2003/0704.html It's the JULY 4 2003 "Indespondence Day" Show. Here is a record of my solo* performance on that day , 7/4/03. BTW - WPRB is the OLDEST college radio station, broadcasting since 1939. *Radio host Doc Cosmo played theremin for a couple minutes . BTW - any Jersey area loopers - please reach me about doing LIVE broadcast as part of this weekly program - I am organizing another Loop-oriented show there. Enjoy, Andre' C (NJ) http://www.doctorcosmo.com/wprb/2003/0704.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 16:54:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i23Lnml15056; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:49:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:49:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:49:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: repeater in FX loop From: Paul Greenstein To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <7vOwJD.A.IrD.8LlRAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not strictly a looping issue, but anyway - I'm using a TC G-Major and Repeater. Getting back into going out and playing live, I've invested in a Mesa Boogie F-50 combo. Both devices (particularly the G-Major) are designed to work best in an amp FX send/return loop. However: a. The Repeater, when playing back loops, essentially is going direct to the power-amp section of the boogie, which delivers a deafening 50 watts, even with everything turned down to 0. This is obviously unusable. b. The boogie's FX loops runs in parallel, so the dry signal is always audible unless the FX mix is turned right up. This produces lots of noise. I'd like to be able to play pitch shifted stuff without hearing the dry signal at all. I could run the G-Major and Repeater in front of the amp input rather than through the FX loop, but the G-Major requires a pre-amp rather than a guitar input and I would rather not use another preamp in front of the combo. Anyone got any suggestions/solutions? Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 18:10:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i23N40q01918; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:04:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:04:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 00:03:53 +0100 Subject: Re: repeater in FX loop From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Hldl.A.zd.gRmRAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-03-03 22.49, "Paul Greenstein" wrote: > Not strictly a looping issue, but anyway - > > I'm using a TC G-Major and Repeater. Getting back into going out and > playing live, I've invested in a Mesa Boogie F-50 combo. > > Both devices (particularly the G-Major) are designed to work best in an > amp FX send/return loop. > > However: > > a. The Repeater, when playing back loops, essentially is going direct > to the power-amp section of the boogie, which delivers a deafening 50 > watts, even with everything turned down to 0. This is obviously > unusable. > > b. The boogie's FX loops runs in parallel, so the dry signal is always > audible unless the FX mix is turned right up. This produces lots of > noise. I'd like to be able to play pitch shifted stuff without hearing > the dry signal at all. > > I could run the G-Major and Repeater in front of the amp input rather > than through the FX loop, but the G-Major requires a pre-amp rather > than a guitar input and I would rather not use another preamp in front > of the combo. > > Anyone got any suggestions/solutions? > > > Paul When I'm playing guitar with my Repeater I use to leave my Sovtek tube top and cabinet behind and use a guitar preamp with a mixer instead. That way I can get a lot more routing options for looping. Tube amp sound is great but I've never come up with a way to combine it with looping devices. I've been using real amps on big tours with ok backline and in the studio, but not for looping. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 18:46:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i23NiOK12245; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:44:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:44:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Midi control for EDP, again Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:44:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQBQGeMFxDWzBaHQkOoEZEjPwFyrAAOM7gg Message-Id: <20040303234418.KPLT6230.fed1mtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------>The PMC is smaller, but hard to find--eBay sometimes, I saw one go in Great Britain recently for under a hundred American! Gary Original Message From: Andreas Willers Hi, and thanks for the input so far. Call me crazy, I can't seem to warm up with the behringer at all. At least I'll give it a tryout sometime...my friend says his will be coming back from repair at Behringer any day now and when it worked he really liked it. Am I wrong or is/was the Digitech pmc10 more compact than the Behringer? Does anybody want to sell one of those? Since I so much dislike a cramped stage floor - could a table top unit like the Doepfer Pocket Control maybe do the job? Thanks again for the input, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 19:37:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i240YVD23889; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:34:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:34:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:35:00 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Maria From: erwill@suitandtieguy.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--------ujbddebhdtchbymauofj" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----------ujbddebhdtchbymauofj Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----------ujbddebhdtchbymauofj Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="addacac.zip" 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Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 20:46:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i241iEb12139; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:44:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:44:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <606537E2-6D7D-11D8-961C-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Williamson Subject: Re: ANOTHER VIRUS SENT TO Loopers-Delight (was Re: Maria) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:43:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: <-Z1GbC.A.i9C.tnoRAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just wanted to let the list know that I use OS10 Mail on my Macintosh, that message was not from me. i'd strongly recommend the purchase of a macintosh to anyone frustrated with the bullshit associated with using the internet via a Windows machine. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 21:51:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i242kMr22622; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:46:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:46:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c401a3$fbcc1710$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <606537E2-6D7D-11D8-961C-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: ANOTHER VIRUS SENT TO Loopers-Delight (was Re: Maria) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:48:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Download and install some user-friendly Linux distribution like RedHat, or Mandrake. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a Mac. Free, in fact, and it will run on your PC hardware. While you're at it, read Neal Stephenson's "In the Beginning ... was the Command Line." -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Re: ANOTHER VIRUS SENT TO Loopers-Delight (was Re: Maria) > I just wanted to let the list know that I use OS10 Mail on my > Macintosh, that message was not from me. > > i'd strongly recommend the purchase of a macintosh to anyone frustrated > with the bullshit associated with using the internet via a Windows > machine. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 21:52:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i242oTM23565; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:50:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:50:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: ANOTHER VIRUS SENT TO Loopers-Delight (was Re: Maria) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:50:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <006f01c401a3$fbcc1710$0200a8c0@amd> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcQBkv6Bi1maGoSzRoOExhsaeci7MwAADr8w Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or just clean your damn computers up and keep that anti-virus software updated :-) Haven't had a virus in 5 years! -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ANOTHER VIRUS SENT TO Loopers-Delight (was Re: Maria) Download and install some user-friendly Linux distribution like RedHat, or Mandrake. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a Mac. Free, in fact, and it will run on your PC hardware. While you're at it, read Neal Stephenson's "In the Beginning ... was the Command Line." -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Re: ANOTHER VIRUS SENT TO Loopers-Delight (was Re: Maria) > I just wanted to let the list know that I use OS10 Mail on my > Macintosh, that message was not from me. > > i'd strongly recommend the purchase of a macintosh to anyone frustrated > with the bullshit associated with using the internet via a Windows > machine. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 3 23:30:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i244Ot608713; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 23:24:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 23:24:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Williamson Subject: Re: ANOTHER VIRUS SENT TO Loopers-Delight (was Re: Maria) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:24:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 3, 2004, at 8:50 PM, | SquidLoop | wrote: > Or just clean your damn computers up and keep that anti-virus software > updated :-) totally. my mother is being forced to use windows machines in her travel agency (she wants to switch, but try interfacing an airline ticket line printer over a usb-serial interface through virtualPC, or trusting that the ticketing-company-specific security plugin for IE will work under virtualPC. we wouldn't want anyone using a non-MS browser in a business environment, would we?). i run Spybot Search and Destroy monthly on her 3 machines and that takes care of browser hijacking. she was interfacing to Hotmail through Outlook, but when we migrated to new machiines the mailboxes wouldn't export, so she's back to using hotmail through the browser. i'm going to switch her over to an IMAP account on my own website to simplify her mail-sending experience. yes, keeping your computer clean and spending at least 8 hours a month maintaining and updating it against viruses and browser hijacking is a more affordable alternative than buying a macintosh (which requires updating as well). i totally agree. > From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > Download and install some user-friendly Linux distribution like > RedHat, or > Mandrake. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a Mac. Free, in > fact, > and it will run on your PC hardware. yeah, but then i couldn't run Numerology . :) haha ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 00:24:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i245JH818174; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 00:19:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 00:19:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200403032310.i23NAHQ03860@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200403032310.i23NAHQ03860@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--861380241 Message-Id: <78374308-6D9B-11D8-A2BD-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: repeater in FX loop Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:19:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--861380241 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed You can try putting a mixer into the effects loop of the amp, after the TC and before the Repeater. Put the Repeater into the effects loop of the mixer (which would be in the effects loop of the amp at this point), and bring the Repeater output back into another channel so you have independent control of its output level and use the master fader on the mixer to control your over all volume level. You may notice some of the "feel" of the amp goes away in this configuration. Also, you may encounter an undesirable muddiness by trying to stuff all this signal into a guitar power amp and single speaker. You could try using one of those Rane SM-26's, if you're looking for a 1U rackable solution. It's just a splitter/mixer though--no EQ. You can usually find them for about $100 on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3708233407&category=23785 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3708064438&category=23785 Or you could try one of the small table-top mixers (Mackie 1202, Behringer whatever, etc), if racking isn't a concern for you. TravisH On Mar 3, 2004, at 3:10 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Paul Greenstein > Date: March 3, 2004 1:49:44 PM PST > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: repeater in FX loop > > > Not strictly a looping issue, but anyway - > > I'm using a TC G-Major and Repeater. Getting back into going out and > playing live, I've invested in a Mesa Boogie F-50 combo. > > Both devices (particularly the G-Major) are designed to work best in > an amp FX send/return loop. > > However: > > a. The Repeater, when playing back loops, essentially is going direct > to the power-amp section of the boogie, which delivers a deafening 50 > watts, even with everything turned down to 0. This is obviously > unusable. > > b. The boogie's FX loops runs in parallel, so the dry signal is always > audible unless the FX mix is turned right up. This produces lots of > noise. I'd like to be able to play pitch shifted stuff without hearing > the dry signal at all. > > I could run the G-Major and Repeater in front of the amp input rather > than through the FX loop, but the G-Major requires a pre-amp rather > than a guitar input and I would rather not use another preamp in front > of the combo. > > Anyone got any suggestions/solutions? > > > > Paul --Apple-Mail-1--861380241 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII You can try putting a mixer into the effects loop of the amp, after the TC and before the Repeater. Put the Repeater into the effects loop of the mixer (which would be in the effects loop of the amp at this point), and bring the Repeater output back into another channel so you have independent control of its output level and use the master fader on the mixer to control your over all volume level. You may notice some of the "feel" of the amp goes away in this configuration. Also, you may encounter an undesirable muddiness by trying to stuff all this signal into a guitar power amp and single speaker. You could try using one of those Rane SM-26's, if you're looking for a 1U rackable solution. It's just a splitter/mixer though--no EQ. You can usually find them for about $100 on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3708233407&category=23785 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3708064438&category=23785 Or you could try one of the small table-top mixers (Mackie 1202, Behringer whatever, etc), if racking isn't a concern for you. TravisH On Mar 3, 2004, at 3:10 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000From: Paul Greenstein < 0000,0000,0000Date: March 3, 2004 1:49:44 PM PST 0000,0000,0000To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Subject: repeater in FX loop Not strictly a looping issue, but anyway - I'm using a TC G-Major and Repeater. Getting back into going out and playing live, I've invested in a Mesa Boogie F-50 combo. Both devices (particularly the G-Major) are designed to work best in an amp FX send/return loop. However: a. The Repeater, when playing back loops, essentially is going direct to the power-amp section of the boogie, which delivers a deafening 50 watts, even with everything turned down to 0. This is obviously unusable. b. The boogie's FX loops runs in parallel, so the dry signal is always audible unless the FX mix is turned right up. This produces lots of noise. I'd like to be able to play pitch shifted stuff without hearing the dry signal at all. I could run the G-Major and Repeater in front of the amp input rather than through the FX loop, but the G-Major requires a pre-amp rather than a guitar input and I would rather not use another preamp in front of the combo. Anyone got any suggestions/solutions? Paul --Apple-Mail-1--861380241-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 00:44:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i245e2422089; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 00:40:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 00:40:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:36:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: acf/LA Composer to Composer with GAVIN BRYARS - 03/17/04 Content-Type: multipart/Related; boundary="============_-1133743697==_mr============" ; type="text/html" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1133743697==_mr============ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1133743697==_ma============" --============_-1133743697==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" American Composers Forum of Los Angeles proudly presents: ===================================== COMPOSER TO COMPOSER WITH GAVIN BRYARS ===================================== Presentation by composer Gavin BRYARS, moderated by Richard ZVONAR and Alex SHAPIRO SALVATION THEATRE 1519 Griffith Park Blvd at Sunset Silverlake district Los Angeles, CA 90026 Wednesday, MARCH 17, 2004, 7:30-10:00 PM $10 admission Directions to Salvation Theatre http://www.linespaceline.org/directions.html In conjunction with his performance on the Musical Explorations series at REDCAT on March 18, composer Gavin Bryars will discuss his work in a special ACF Composer to Composer salon. "The music of Gavin Bryars falls under no category. It is mongrel, full of sensuality and wit and is deeply moving. He is one of the few composers who can put slapstick and primal emotion alongside each other. He allows you to witness new wonders in the sounds around you by approaching them from a completely new angle. With a third ear maybe." -Michael Ondaatje Considered one of Britain's most important post-minimalist composers, Gavin Bryars mixes classical, jazz and modern influences in music that is both intellectually engaging and emotionally touching. He has remained a provocative yet accessible composer in a variety of musical settings since his first major piece, The Sinking of the Titanic, was performed in 1969. Bryars currently works with the human voice and, in particular, with soloists who can cross over from classical to contemporary music. Bryars' March 18 performance at REDCAT will consist primarily of works for strings and voice, performed by CalArts faculty and students who have rehearsed under Bryars' supervision. For more information on Gavin Bryars, see: http://gavinbryars.com/ For an extensive biography of Gavin Bryars, see: http://gavinbryars.com/Pages/bio_fr.html For information on Gavin Bryars' performance at REDCAT, see: http://redcatweb.org/season/music/gavinbryars.html -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A --============_-1133743697==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" acf/LA Composer to Composer with GAVIN BRYARS - 03/17/04
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Presentation by composer Gavin BRYARS, moderated by Richard ZVONAR and Alex SHAPIRO

SALVATION THEATRE
1519 Griffith Park Blvd at Sunset
Silverlake district
Los Angeles, CA 90026

Wednesday, MARCH 17, 2004, 7:30-10:00 PM

$10 admission

Directions to Salvation Theatre http://www.linespaceline.org/directions.html




In conjunction with his performance on the Musical Explorations series at REDCAT on March 18, composer Gavin Bryars  will discuss his work in a special ACF Composer to Composer salon.


"The music of Gavin Bryars falls under no category. It is mongrel, full of sensuality and wit and is deeply moving. He is one of the few composers who can put slapstick and primal emotion alongside each other. He allows you to witness new wonders in the sounds around you by approaching them from a completely new angle. With a third ear maybe."
 -Michael Ondaatje

Considered one of Britain's most important post-minimalist composers, Gavin Bryars mixes classical, jazz and modern influences in music that is both intellectually engaging and emotionally touching. He has remained a provocative yet accessible composer in a variety of musical settings since his first major piece, The Sinking of the Titanic, was performed in 1969. Bryars currently works with the human voice and, in particular, with soloists who can cross over from classical to contemporary music.

Bryars' March 18 performance at REDCAT will consist primarily of works for strings and voice, performed by CalArts  faculty and students who have rehearsed under Bryars' supervision.


For more information on Gavin Bryars, see:

http://gavinbryars.com/

For an extensive biography of Gavin Bryars, see:

http://gavinbryars.com/Pages/bio_fr.html


For information on Gavin Bryars' performance at REDCAT, see:

http://redcatweb.org/season/music/gavinbryars.html




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Rather than dealing with live mixing, I will probably compromise for the moment and run my pod XT in bypass mode in front of the rack stuff, and just plug everything serially straight into the input on the amp. This seems to work OK, although it would be nice to have it all going through the fx loop. On Thursday, March 4, 2004, at 05:19 am, Travis Hartnett wrote: > You can try putting a mixer into the effects loop of the amp, after > the TC and before the Repeater. Put the Repeater into the effects > loop of the mixer (which would be in the effects loop of the amp at > this point), and bring the Repeater output back into another channel > so you have independent control of its output level and use the master > fader on the mixer to control your over all volume level. You may > notice some of the "feel" of the amp goes away in this configuration. > Also, you may encounter an undesirable muddiness by trying to stuff > all this signal into a guitar power amp and single speaker. > > You could try using one of those Rane SM-26's, if you're looking for a > 1U rackable solution. It's just a splitter/mixer though--no EQ. You > can usually find them for about $100 on eBay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ > eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3708233407&category=23785 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ > eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3708064438&category=23785 > > Or you could try one of the small table-top mixers (Mackie 1202, > Behringer whatever, etc), if racking isn't a concern for you. > > TravisH > > On Mar 3, 2004, at 3:10 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> From: Paul Greenstein >> Date: March 3, 2004 1:49:44 PM PST >> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: repeater in FX loop >> >> >> Not strictly a looping issue, but anyway - >> >> I'm using a TC G-Major and Repeater. Getting back into going out and >> playing live, I've invested in a Mesa Boogie F-50 combo. >> >> Both devices (particularly the G-Major) are designed to work best in >> an amp FX send/return loop. >> >> However: >> >> a. The Repeater, when playing back loops, essentially is going direct >> to the power-amp section of the boogie, which delivers a deafening 50 >> watts, even with everything turned down to 0. This is obviously >> unusable. >> >> b. The boogie's FX loops runs in parallel, so the dry signal is >> always audible unless the FX mix is turned right up. This produces >> lots of noise. I'd like to be able to play pitch shifted stuff >> without hearing the dry signal at all. >> >> I could run the G-Major and Repeater in front of the amp input rather >> than through the FX loop, but the G-Major requires a pre-amp rather >> than a guitar input and I would rather not use another preamp in >> front of the combo. >> >> Anyone got any suggestions/solutions? >> >> >> >> Paul --Apple-Mail-2--849039137 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for that. Rather than dealing with live mixing, I will probably compromise for the moment and run my pod XT in bypass mode in front of the rack stuff, and just plug everything serially straight into the input on the amp. This seems to work OK, although it would be nice to have it all going through the fx loop. On Thursday, March 4, 2004, at 05:19 am, Travis Hartnett wrote: You can try putting a mixer into the effects loop of the amp, after the TC and before the Repeater. Put the Repeater into the effects loop of the mixer (which would be in the effects loop of the amp at this point), and bring the Repeater output back into another channel so you have independent control of its output level and use the master fader on the mixer to control your over all volume level. You may notice some of the "feel" of the amp goes away in this configuration. Also, you may encounter an undesirable muddiness by trying to stuff all this signal into a guitar power amp and single speaker. You could try using one of those Rane SM-26's, if you're looking for a 1U rackable solution. It's just a splitter/mixer though--no EQ. You can usually find them for about $100 on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3708233407&category=23785 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3708064438&category=23785 Or you could try one of the small table-top mixers (Mackie 1202, Behringer whatever, etc), if racking isn't a concern for you. TravisH On Mar 3, 2004, at 3:10 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000From: Paul Greenstein < 0000,0000,0000Date: March 3, 2004 1:49:44 PM PST 0000,0000,0000To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Subject: repeater in FX loop Not strictly a looping issue, but anyway - I'm using a TC G-Major and Repeater. Getting back into going out and playing live, I've invested in a Mesa Boogie F-50 combo. Both devices (particularly the G-Major) are designed to work best in an amp FX send/return loop. However: a. The Repeater, when playing back loops, essentially is going direct to the power-amp section of the boogie, which delivers a deafening 50 watts, even with everything turned down to 0. This is obviously unusable. b. The boogie's FX loops runs in parallel, so the dry signal is always audible unless the FX mix is turned right up. This produces lots of noise. I'd like to be able to play pitch shifted stuff without hearing the dry signal at all. I could run the G-Major and Repeater in front of the amp input rather than through the FX loop, but the G-Major requires a pre-amp rather than a guitar input and I would rather not use another preamp in front of the combo. Anyone got any suggestions/solutions? Paul --Apple-Mail-2--849039137-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 03:56:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i248qET21894; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 03:52:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 03:52:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:52:12 +0000 Subject: Re: repeater in FX loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3AAB0B50-6DB9-11D8-9AD4-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, March 3, 2004, at 11:03 pm, Per Boysen wrote: > When I'm playing guitar with my Repeater I use to leave my Sovtek tube > top > and cabinet behind and use a guitar preamp with a mixer instead. That > way I > can get a lot more routing options for looping. > > Tube amp sound is great but I've never come up with a way to combine > it with > looping devices. I've been using real amps on big tours with ok > backline and > in the studio, but not for looping. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > -- > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > > > Thanks for that, Per. I used to have a stereo preamp based rack setup, but I'm trying to be much more compact and portable these days, just carrying around a 2-unit rack bag plus amp and FCB. I suppose I'm trying to create a versatile setup which will work for both looping and 'straight' scenarios. As you say, perhaps this isn't possible with a tube amp, at least not via the FX loop. For the moment, I will probably use my POD in bypass mode as a preamp/line driver, and just run everything directly into the amp. cheers Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 04:32:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i249RCi27693; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 04:27:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 04:27:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:26:51 +0100 Subject: Re: repeater in FX loop From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3AAB0B50-6DB9-11D8-9AD4-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-03-04 09.52, "Paul Greenstein" wrote: > Thanks for that, Per. I used to have a stereo preamp based rack setup, > but I'm trying to be much more compact and portable these days, just > carrying around a 2-unit rack bag plus amp and FCB. I suppose I'm > trying to create a versatile setup which will work for both looping and > 'straight' scenarios. As you say, perhaps this isn't possible with a > tube amp, at least not via the FX loop. For the moment, I will probably > use my POD in bypass mode as a preamp/line driver, and just run > everything directly into the amp. > > cheers > > Paul "Going portable" is a real challenge! I'm investigating the possibility to use my RME multiface audio break-out box (8 in, 8 out) with a laptop. This looks as a good way to combine hardware devices and software. The most portable mixer I know is actually Ableton Live. With the Multiface I can assign just about everything like you do with a huge mixing board and patch bay. The other week I tried the guitar amp simulator that comes with Apple Garage Band and it sounds good to my ears. But there's still a long way from setting up a system that works "in the lab" to being able to rely on it when gigging in the real world. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 04:33:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i249VNu28605; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 04:31:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 04:31:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Mmrksrg@aol.com Message-ID: <11a.2f26018a.2d78515d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 04:31:09 EST Subject: Re: repeater in FX loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 143 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well Live and a laptop is very good place to start with. With the right soundcard you can patch anything in. Really depends on how much you want to carry around with you. Mark Sargeant From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 05:22:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i24AItj03472; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 05:18:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 05:18:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:20:15 +0100 Subject: RE: gtr amps and loopers From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: XRi3WmZSZeIP1NuxziDqPAm8O+k1IeLD5i+ZutvpC8n5Eeh+zkNsct Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I agree with Per, combining guitar amps and loopers can be tricky. I feel privileged when I have the chance to perform by plugging almost directly into a single channel no nothing tube amp - and personally I prefer my old handwired little Gibsons, Ampegs and my bigger Hiwatt over anything you could possibly mention. With all the effects I want to use (OD's, whammy, ringmodulator etc.) I try to keep them out of the signal chain by using a couple of router/true bypass boxes and a miniaturized high quality line mixer to add parallel effects like delay, reverb and loops - all before the amp/s I am using that day. For clearly rhythmic ostinato loops with the EDP I tend to rout them into a seperate amp (or play the main guitar in stereo and have the EDP just go to one side). This way I have a better separation between live guitar and the looped stuff. Best wishes, Andreas www.andreaswillers.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 06:04:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i24B2S011095; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:02:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:02:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:02:25 +0000 Subject: Re: gtr amps and loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6B9E6B4E-6DCB-11D8-9954-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, March 4, 2004, at 10:20 am, Andreas Willers wrote: > Hi, > > I agree with Per, combining guitar amps and loopers can be tricky. I > feel > privileged when I have the chance to perform by plugging almost > directly > into a single channel no nothing tube amp - and personally I prefer my > old > handwired little Gibsons, Ampegs and my bigger Hiwatt over anything you > could possibly mention. > > With all the effects I want to use (OD's, whammy, ringmodulator etc.) > I try > to keep them out of the signal chain by using a couple of router/true > bypass > boxes and a miniaturized high quality line mixer to add parallel > effects > like delay, reverb and loops - all before the amp/s I am using that > day. For > clearly rhythmic ostinato loops with the EDP I tend to rout them into a > seperate amp (or play the main guitar in stereo and have the EDP just > go to > one side). This way I have a better separation between live guitar and > the > looped stuff. > > Best wishes, Andreas > www.andreaswillers.de > > > > I can definitely relate to your comments regarding plugging into a tube amp - there's a responsiveness that no amount of digital emulation and trickery can truly reproduce. It's a problem - trying to retain that 'feel' while working with more complex, hi-fi looping gear. Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 10:20:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i24FHaE18056; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:17:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:17:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 15:17:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2004 15:17:29.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF4485D0:01C401FB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The 1010 can up to 5 PC messages, 2 CC messages, 2 sweeping CC messages via >the expression pedals, and 1 note on message. Each of these individual >messages takes 1 'slot' in the global midi configuration. For example, you >could choose to have the 3rd PC message 'slot' (out of 5) ALWAYS send out >on >midi channel 9, or any other channel (configured globally for that >particular midi message 'slot' in the 1010 presets), whereas the 2nd PC >message 'slot' could send out on midi channel 3, and the 1st on midi >channel >1. > >You configure the outgoing midi channel for each of the 10 midi message >type >'slots' in the global config menu of the 1010. > >Does this make sense? Ok, So thanks to all you lovley people ive got the 1010 talkin to the EDP on channel 1 sending Notes for main functons, the pedals for feebdback and Volume and PCs for Preset Loading, they get on fine, and now Ive got the Repeater recievign PCs on Channlel two for most of the main functions, However, If im understanding this correctly, I cant use the CC messages at all for the repeaer (cos they're already routed to channel 1 right? is there no way to have them transmit on both ? sorry if Im been stupid her, but hey, I used to just be a musician not a programmer!!! Ta for all help Phill > >-----Original Message----- >From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:09 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! > > >Hey All, > >I hit a new problem, I have Program changes 1-16 on the echoplex controling >the Preset loading. > ALL of these Programme changes also trigger an action in the repeater, >So if press my button to load EDP preset 1 it will also trigger a function >in the repeater or visa versa when I select record or whatever for the >repeater it also triggers the loading of a preset in the EDP. > > what can I do to get around this? As far as I know the Berhinger FC1010 >only transmits on one channel which is chosen globally.(currantly >channel1 for both the repeater and the EDP) so I cant have my EDP banks >sending to channel 1 and Repeater sending to channel 2 ( or can I ?) > > >Help me Obi Wan, Your My Only Hope!!! >Phill > > >From: "lol c" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! > >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:06:33 +0000 > > > >Ta avery much all of you, > > > >I cant wait to get this all working correctly, Ive just made a nice >sloping > >case for them both ad they look just so cool. > > > >I'll report back how they play. > > > >Phill > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! > >http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 12:03:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i24GuDr02265; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:56:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:56:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "spaceranger \(E-mail\)" Sender: "Manveru" To: Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:56:34 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c40209$a8596a90$270710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9bjpiC.A.Sj.t-1RAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you've already assigned both CC message 'slots' to the EDP midi channel, and the Repeater is on a different channel, then you won't be able to have the CC messages interpreted by both devices (without some kind of other midi processor anyway, a la motu). But remember that you've got 2 CC message 'switches' and also 2 CC pedals, and you can assign those 4 controls globally to any midi channel you want. If you're already using all of those for the EDP, then sorry. :-( -----Original Message----- From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! >The 1010 can up to 5 PC messages, 2 CC messages, 2 sweeping CC messages via >the expression pedals, and 1 note on message. Each of these individual >messages takes 1 'slot' in the global midi configuration. For example, you >could choose to have the 3rd PC message 'slot' (out of 5) ALWAYS send out >on >midi channel 9, or any other channel (configured globally for that >particular midi message 'slot' in the 1010 presets), whereas the 2nd PC >message 'slot' could send out on midi channel 3, and the 1st on midi >channel >1. > >You configure the outgoing midi channel for each of the 10 midi message >type >'slots' in the global config menu of the 1010. > >Does this make sense? Ok, So thanks to all you lovley people ive got the 1010 talkin to the EDP on channel 1 sending Notes for main functons, the pedals for feebdback and Volume and PCs for Preset Loading, they get on fine, and now Ive got the Repeater recievign PCs on Channlel two for most of the main functions, However, If im understanding this correctly, I cant use the CC messages at all for the repeaer (cos they're already routed to channel 1 right? is there no way to have them transmit on both ? sorry if Im been stupid her, but hey, I used to just be a musician not a programmer!!! Ta for all help Phill > >-----Original Message----- >From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:09 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! > > >Hey All, > >I hit a new problem, I have Program changes 1-16 on the echoplex controling >the Preset loading. > ALL of these Programme changes also trigger an action in the repeater, >So if press my button to load EDP preset 1 it will also trigger a function >in the repeater or visa versa when I select record or whatever for the >repeater it also triggers the loading of a preset in the EDP. > > what can I do to get around this? As far as I know the Berhinger FC1010 >only transmits on one channel which is chosen globally.(currantly >channel1 for both the repeater and the EDP) so I cant have my EDP banks >sending to channel 1 and Repeater sending to channel 2 ( or can I ?) > > >Help me Obi Wan, Your My Only Hope!!! >Phill > > >From: "lol c" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: RE: Oh No, He's got a Repeater!!! > >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:06:33 +0000 > > > >Ta avery much all of you, > > > >I cant wait to get this all working correctly, Ive just made a nice >sloping > >case for them both ad they look just so cool. > > > >I'll report back how they play. > > > >Phill > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! > >http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 13:37:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i24IW8317871; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:32:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:32:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: flirts@mail1.wn.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:31:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jon Arterton Subject: Echoplex - Overdub fails Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm a Newbie with a new Echoplex (which I love). Suddenly it will no longer overdub. The loop repeats and OVD goes red but nothing's being recorded over. Then when I hit OVD again the light goes green and it starts overdubbing. Seems backwards to me. A Second question: what's the easiest way? Say I wanted four loops and wanted an original rhythmic pattern from first loop to be repeated into the next three. I've tried with LoopCopy but it continues on subsequent passes to copy onto following loops. I really just want the first pass to be repeated. Is passing though all four loops (perhaps with NextLoop & Multiply) necessary before I start layering (not-for-copy) layers on top? Thanks for the help. FYI - I'm an a cappella vocalist. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 14:29:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i24JQXN27116; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:26:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:26:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.127.210.10] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Apple's garage band Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:26:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2004 19:26:27.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[96A49760:01C4021E] Resent-Message-ID: <3oHj_C.A.enG.pL4RAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > bay. The other week I tried the guitar amp simulator that comes with Apple > Garage Band and it sounds good to my ears. But there's still a long way from Hey speaking of Garage Band, I meant to drop LD a line to share in my excitement. The authors of the loop software that was developed for FinalCutPro (which is now shipping in a slightly modified form with GarageBand software package) decided to include a few of my percussion loops in the stock loop set. So now everyone who buys a new mac gets a loop software bundled with a few of my loops (and lots of other loops too...) I haven't seen the software myself, but I think you can search on "Jon Wagner" somewhere in the meta-tags to find my loops. Nothing super-cool, it was just fun to be included in the project. The funniest part is that the way I found out they included some of my loops is that a buddy of mine sent me a short segment of music he was working on, and I could swear I heard my own playing in one of his loops. We looked into it and it was mine! Anyone have any comments on "GarageBand" software from a looping perspective? Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 15:07:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i24K3LL01422; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 15:03:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 15:03:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040304134011.03dcf270@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:02:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Mail Proggies & Numerology (was Re: ANOTHER VIRUS) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:24 PM 3/3/2004, Eric Williamson wrote: >i run Spybot Search and Destroy monthly on her 3 machines and that takes >care of browser hijacking. she was interfacing to Hotmail through Outlook, >but when we migrated to new machiines the mailboxes wouldn't export, so >she's back to using hotmail through the browser. i'm going to switch her >over to an IMAP account on my own website to simplify her mail-sending >experience. Good idea. I advise people to migrate away from Outlook whenever possible. I can't tell you the number of bullets I've dodged simply because I use Eudora instead. >>From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] >>Download and install some user-friendly Linux distribution like RedHat, or >>Mandrake. > >yeah, but then i couldn't run Numerology . :) haha ... On a completely unrelated note, I've been taking a look at Numerology lately -- thanks in part to your many plugs, Eric. I'm starting to get impatient waiting for Muzys to finish their port over to OSX (or to even get an update on the port). Hell, OSX was one of my main motivating factors for grabbing a Mac laptop, since I'm more Unix geek than Mac geek. It's a year-and-a-half later though, and I'm *still* stuck on OS9. :P It finally looks as if my host program is the last piece holding me back, and the stuff on the five12 website is looking pretty good. Just gotta find some time to download & demo it.... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 15:33:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i24KSpU05706; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 15:28:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 15:28:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040304141927.03dabd00@pine.f5.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:27:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Tap Tempo MIDI-Clock Pedal... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (apologies if this has already been posted. i've been away for almost a month so i had to unsub for a while.) Here's an interesting upcoming item from usb-audio.com and German-based company Polytec. The "34one" is a fully self-contained tap tempo pedal that generates MIDI-clock. I'd imagine such a widget might be of interest to some here... Product announcement on Sonic State: http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=1392&CFID=6241211&CFTOKEN=81252637 -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 17:08:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i24M2Dn22270; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:02:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:02:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c40234$54f58cf0$e0154ed5@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Steve Lawson/Michael Manring gig dates, March 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 22:01:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, lots of gigs coming up, especially of note is the tour with Michael Manring. Few other solo things around, including a one-off in northern italy... March - 6th - Hoddeston, Hertfordshire - solo, email me for details... 11th - Trinity College Pub, Castenedolo (Brescia), Italy - solo gig, 7 Euros, on stage 22.30... 16th - Mansons Music Shop, Exeter - clinic/gig with michael manring. 7.30pm, tix Ł4 call 01392 496379 18th - Traders, Petersfield, Hampshire - with Michael Manring, 9pm, tix Ł5. call 07931-370110 for info/tix 19th - The King and Queen, Brighton. - with Michael Manring, pm, tix Ł7/Ł5 Tel: 07961 585 338 20th - 21 South Street Arts Centre, Reading - with Michael Manring and John Lester. doors - 7.30pm tix Ł8.00 - 0118 9606060 21st - The Troubadour, Earls Court, London - with Michael Manring and John Lester. 7.30pm Ł8. call 07855 775594 22nd - The Joiners, Southampton - with Michael Manring and John Lester. 7.30pm Ł7.50. tix and info - 07931-370110 25th - Bodrum Cafe/Bar, Stoke Newington, London - with Theo Travis. 8.30pm, Ł5 Tel - 020 7254 6464 April - 5th - South London - with Orphy Robinson. details ASAP. 7th - The Cellars at Eastney, Portsmouth - solo. Phone: 023-9282-6249 Be great to see some of you there - please come and say hi! cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net (more details here, or email if you need more info) www.manthing.com - michael's website www.johnlestermusic.com - john lester's site www.bassguitarmagazine.com - tour sponsors www.stiffpromotions.co.uk - promoting a few of the gigs www.theotravis.com - theo's site. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 4 17:52:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i24MlH529355; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:47:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:47:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 23:47:02 +0100 Subject: Re: Apple's garage band From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-03-04 20.26, "Jon Wagner" wrote: > Anyone have any comments on "GarageBand" software from a looping > perspective? > Jon I find it rather limited from a looping perspective. If you're not talking about replaying pre-recorded loops from the hard drive, because that's what it is designed for. GB has a very good guitar amp simulator and makes a nice sketch pad. Actually I find it too limited from a producing perspective as well. We just had rewire in GB with the latest update and full compatibility has been announced for Logic Pro 7 in august. It doesn't help that GB is a nice software for pre-production when you can't export the project to Logic, protools etc for finishing it up. It's obvious that GB was not released as a serious audio production tool but as a brilliant toy for people with the fastest Macs. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 01:50:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i256mFZ07454; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 01:48:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 01:48:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040304223453.052b5060@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 22:51:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex - Overdub fails In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4j4JpC.A.W0B.vKCSAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:31 AM 3/4/2004, Jon Arterton wrote: >I'm a Newbie with a new Echoplex (which I love). >Suddenly it will no longer overdub. >The loop repeats and OVD goes red but nothing's being recorded over. Then >when I hit OVD again the light goes green and it starts overdubbing. Seems >backwards to me. you put it into delay mode. go to the Loop/Delay parameter and put it back on loop. Read that section in the manual so you understand all the different options. >A Second question: what's the easiest way? >Say I wanted four loops and wanted an original rhythmic pattern from first >loop to be repeated into the next three. I've tried with LoopCopy but it >continues on subsequent passes to copy onto following loops. I really just >want the first pass to be repeated. Is passing though all four loops >(perhaps with NextLoop & Multiply) necessary before I start layering >(not-for-copy) layers on top? I'm not sure I understand you, but with LoopCopy the loop you are currently in is the one copied to the nextloop. If you want to copy the same base into the other loops, you usually need to go back to the first one and then copy it again. You might have an easier time with that using SwitchQuantize, nextloop, and multiply, as you are considering. hope that helps. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 07:27:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25COlN04578; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:24:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:24:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 12:55:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: gtr amps and loopers From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3161336113_863293_MIME_Part" X-Seen: false X-ID: TFzeNvZeoeK1a3x4hQgDKksZ1PBV2oMu82BBRjBsopRndAcI6wfdUx Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3161336113_863293_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Paul Greenstein wrote: I can definitely relate to your comments regarding plugging into a tube amp - there's a responsiveness that no amount of digital emulation and trickery can truly reproduce. It's a problem - trying to retain that 'feel' while working with more complex, hi-fi looping gear. Hi Paul, yes, that's why I try to keep a direct connection between guitar and amp. Using a lap top for processing and looping would be cool as long as you are just mixing this to a strong analog direct signal. I am routing all digital effects that need the original to be muted (Whammy, reverse delay etc.) through true bypass boxes in order to get rid of them when not in use. I your case, I would think about looking into two smaller, light weight combos like a Fender Princeton or Deluxe etc. Since you're in GB, maybe look out for old WEM Dominators because they should still be reasonable and are good little amps. 2 x 15 Watts can be very loud, even if you have to play back loops. And two of these are probably easier on your back than one Mesa/Boogie. The line driver/distortion etc. thing in the beginning of the chain is quite difficult and tastes vary quite a bit....I'd rather not try to use a POD. I am currently using a small handmade 2,5W push/pull pentode tube amp for this application. I delivers an extremely nice all power-tube saturation, is silenced by a dummy load and feeds a good signal in the whole chain. Regards, Andreas Willers --MS_Mac_OE_3161336113_863293_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Re: gtr amps and loopers Paul Greenstein wrote:

I can definitely relate to your comments regarding plugging into a tube amp - there's a responsiveness that no amount of digital emulation and
trickery can truly reproduce. It's a problem - trying to retain that
'feel' while working with more complex, hi-fi looping gear.


Hi Paul,
yes, that's why I try to keep a direct connection between guitar and amp. U= sing a lap top for processing and looping would be cool as long as you are j= ust mixing this to a strong analog direct signal. I am routing all digital e= ffects that need the original to be muted (Whammy, reverse delay etc.) throu= gh true bypass boxes in order to get rid of them when not in use.

I your case, I would think about looking into two smaller, light weight com= bos like a Fender Princeton or Deluxe etc. Since you're in GB, maybe look ou= t for old WEM Dominators because they should still be reasonable and are goo= d little amps. 2 x 15 Watts can be very loud, even if you have to play back = loops. And two of these are probably easier on your back than one Mesa/Boogi= e.

The line driver/distortion etc. thing in the beginning of the chain is quit= e difficult and tastes vary quite a bit....I'd rather not try to use a POD. = I am currently using a small handmade 2,5W push/pull pentode tube amp for th= is application. I delivers an extremely nice all power-tube saturation, is s= ilenced by a dummy load and feeds a good signal in the whole chain.

Regards,
Andreas Willers --MS_Mac_OE_3161336113_863293_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 07:42:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25Cc4Z06600; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:38:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:38:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbFmcFD9jPkEgzSJnb4Xw8XV6tBCrswkPt3mVxtpEMg3QJ6Xvxf8X5H Message-ID: <004601c402af$18231060$6501a8c0@ldroby> From: "LeonD" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Recording on a Powerbook Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:40:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After years of being a Windows users, I'm jumping ship and getting a Mac; a 15" PowerBook. One of my primary uses it to record digital audio. I'm looking for suggestions on how to connect a mic / guitar to the laptop. While four inputs would be nice, I could get by with two. The most I'd like to spend is around $500. One store I stopped in really pushed Digidesign's Mbox. They said in addition to having quality hardware, the included software was great. So, is the Mbox the way to go or is there something else I should be considering? Thanks, LeonD From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 08:47:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25Dk5U19623; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:46:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:46:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Recording on a Powerbook Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:45:54 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Recording on a Powerbook Thread-Index: AcQCrrsrEPGjXkefSOKVvWSBNEeYEAACRwow From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2004 13:45:54.0542 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E3108E0:01C402B8] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i25Dk3o19597 Resent-Message-ID: <0VI7nB.A.gyE.cSISAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If memory serves me correctly, Digidesign hardware locks you into using Digidesign software. That's not necessarily a bad thing but some of the other audio interfaces out there leave you with a wide variety of choices as to which software to use (including Pro Tools). The MOTU 828mkII is such a device although, at $750, it's a bit higher than what you are wanting to spend. Check around though. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: LeonD [mailto:ld60@rcn.com] > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:41 AM > To: Loopers-Delight > Subject: Recording on a Powerbook > > After years of being a Windows users, I'm jumping ship and getting a Mac; a > 15" PowerBook. One of my primary uses it to record digital audio. I'm > looking for suggestions on how to connect a mic / guitar to the laptop. > > While four inputs would be nice, I could get by with two. The most I'd like > to spend is around $500. One store I stopped in really pushed Digidesign's > Mbox. They said in addition to having quality hardware, the included > software was great. > > So, is the Mbox the way to go or is there something else I should be > considering? > > Thanks, > LeonD From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 09:15:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25EAxN22721; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:10:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:10:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <004601c402af$18231060$6501a8c0@ldroby> References: <004601c402af$18231060$6501a8c0@ldroby> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <56F04526-6EAF-11D8-BE02-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: Recording on a Powerbook Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:13:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would strongly suggest getting something with a FireWire interface. USB interfaces can be fine but some are problematic (check the newsgroups and logs). I think M-Audio now has a FireWire interface. I use an older PowerBook Ti (667 MHz) and have a MOTU 828 (which may be overkill for your purposes). If you can find one of those or a newer 828MkII at a reasonable price you might consider getting one (Multi-Tracking or Surround might be something you don't care about now but could come up later). On Mar 5, 2004, at 6:40 AM, LeonD wrote: > After years of being a Windows users, I'm jumping ship and getting a > Mac; a > 15" PowerBook. One of my primary uses it to record digital audio. I'm > looking for suggestions on how to connect a mic / guitar to the laptop. > > While four inputs would be nice, I could get by with two. The most > I'd like > to spend is around $500. One store I stopped in really pushed > Digidesign's > Mbox. They said in addition to having quality hardware, the included > software was great. > > So, is the Mbox the way to go or is there something else I should be > considering? > > Thanks, > LeonD > > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 09:38:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25EaKD26116; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:36:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:36:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004601c402af$18231060$6501a8c0@ldroby> References: <004601c402af$18231060$6501a8c0@ldroby> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:35:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Recording on a Powerbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >After years of being a Windows users, I'm jumping ship and getting a Mac; a >15" PowerBook. I just got the same P-book you're getting. I think you'll love it. One suggestion: Add more RAM. I have 768 MB, but I may max it out(1 GB?) at some point. I've also been advised to consider getting an external HD (Lacie high-speed drives are highly recommended) that would be dedicated to audio. > One of my primary uses it to record digital audio. I'm >looking for suggestions on how to connect a mic / guitar to the laptop. I'm in the exact same boat you are, and I'm asking the same questions. One person highly recommended Emagic's Logic Pro, but it's more than $500. It lists at $999, but I haven't seen what the street price is. But it certainly appears to be well worth the dough, esp. if you're in this for the long-term. The way I look at it, it's a one-time purchase. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 09:44:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25EfBx27407; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:41:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:41:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <404890EE.60207@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 09:38:38 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #363 for March 4, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040304.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #363 March 4, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on the Zero Ohms. The Featured CD at Midnight was "True Degrees of Freedom" on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "No Pussyfooting" by Robert Fripp and Brian Eno on Antilles Records. I played the music of the Ministry of Inside Things and Ian Boddy who will be performing in the area in the near future. Dor details, see the EMUSIC Events page at http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html. Zero Ohms - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#mar MoIT and Ian Boddy - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Fripp and Eno The Heavenly Music No Pussyfooting (Antilles) Corporation * Thought Guild Distant Star [context] (HRR) Mason Stevens Tell-Tale Heart One Step Into the Unknown (Space for Music) The Ministry of Inside Function Four Everlasting Moment (Synkronos) Things Brannan Lane The Search Module Escape Velocity (Space for Music) Ian Boddy Gravity Well Aurora (DiN) Amongst Myselves 5am Melbourne 1996 Sacred Black (RMC) 12:00 am Zero Ohms The Road True Degrees of Freedom (SFM) Zero Ohms The Spaceport True Degrees of Freedom (SFM) Zero Ohms The Gate True Degrees of Freedom (SFM) Zero Ohms The Inner Mission True Degrees of Freedom (SFM) Zero Ohms The Flight True Degrees of Freedom (SFM) Zero Ohms The Afterglow True Degrees of Freedom (SFM) Zero Ohms The Overlook True Degrees of Freedom (SFM) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Zero Ohms. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Ecstasis" by Zero Ohms and Gordon Rhyne on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Sowiesoso" by Cluster on Sky Records. I will play the music of the Ministry of Inside Things and Ian Boddy who will be performing in the area in the near future. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 09:45:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25EhFH27795; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:43:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:43:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c402c0$a4d9f3a0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Recording on a Powerbook Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:46:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Poorman" To: Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 14:39 PM Subject: RE: Recording on a Powerbook > > I'm in the exact same boat you are, and I'm asking the same > > questions. One person highly recommended Emagic's Logic Pro, but it's > > more than $500. It lists at $999, but I haven't seen what the street > > price is. > > Unfortunately, since Logic Pro is now an Apple product, a list > price of $999 means a street price of $999. Hey, those lawsuits against 'unauthorized' resellers, manufacturers, vendors and developers cost money! Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 09:49:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25EdDA26908; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:39:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:39:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Recording on a Powerbook Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:39:10 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Recording on a Powerbook Thread-Index: AcQCv0GPi69DSjZeTfCWhXCOc5+LjwAAEVqw From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2004 14:39:10.0213 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EF5BB50:01C402BF] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i25EdCo26884 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm in the exact same boat you are, and I'm asking the same > questions. One person highly recommended Emagic's Logic Pro, but it's > more than $500. It lists at $999, but I haven't seen what the street > price is. Unfortunately, since Logic Pro is now an Apple product, a list price of $999 means a street price of $999. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 10:13:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25FAxc02656; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:10:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:10:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: flirts@mail1.wn.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040304223453.052b5060@loopers-delight.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040304223453.052b5060@loopers-delight.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:09:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jon Arterton Subject: Re: Echoplex - Overdub fails Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Thanks so much! That helps greatly. Regards, Jon >At 10:31 AM 3/4/2004, Jon Arterton wrote: >>I'm a Newbie with a new Echoplex (which I love). >>Suddenly it will no longer overdub. >>The loop repeats and OVD goes red but nothing's being recorded >>over. Then when I hit OVD again the light goes green and it starts >>overdubbing. Seems backwards to me. > >you put it into delay mode. go to the Loop/Delay parameter and put >it back on loop. Read that section in the manual so you understand >all the different options. > >>A Second question: what's the easiest way? >>Say I wanted four loops and wanted an original rhythmic pattern >>from first loop to be repeated into the next three. I've tried with >>LoopCopy but it continues on subsequent passes to copy onto >>following loops. I really just want the first pass to be repeated. >>Is passing though all four loops (perhaps with NextLoop & Multiply) >>necessary before I start layering (not-for-copy) layers on top? > >I'm not sure I understand you, but with LoopCopy the loop you are >currently in is the one copied to the nextloop. If you want to copy >the same base into the other loops, you usually need to go back to >the first one and then copy it again. You might have an easier time >with that using SwitchQuantize, nextloop, and multiply, as you are >considering. hope that helps. > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 10:28:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25FOZK05569; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:24:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:24:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex - Overdub fails Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 15:24:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2004 15:24:29.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[F38DB5E0:01C402C5] Resent-Message-ID: <3RImo.A.6WB.zuJSAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>A Second question: what's the easiest way? >>>Say I wanted four loops and wanted an original rhythmic pattern from >>>first loop to be repeated into the next three. I've tried with LoopCopy >>>but it continues on subsequent passes to copy onto following loops. I >>>really just want the first pass to be repeated. Is passing though all >>>four loops (perhaps with NextLoop & Multiply) necessary before I start >>>layering (not-for-copy) layers on top? If I understand what you want to do correcty, you might like to consider the option that I often use for doing one loop with a verse and another with a chors , each with a matching drum part, I oftern start by recording my drums on loop 2, then copy this into Loop 1 while adding my verse infomation, then I just switch back to loop 2 where the original drum info is and play my chorus. this works for me and saves me getting confused between te diffenent loops, if you have more then 2 loops, I guess you'd start at four then copy it into each going backwards, then multiply it out in the reverse direction. sorr if this is completly usless help, in my head it seems to connect to what you want to do. Phill _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 10:40:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25Facw07622; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:36:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:36:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:36:27 EST Subject: Accugroove El Whappo speakers on ebay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1078500987" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 Resent-Message-ID: <6XqkUC.A.72B.G6JSAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1078500987 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My pair of Accugroove El Whappo speaker cabs are up on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3707761548&category=23794 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3707964329&category=23794 Gregory Bruce Campbell -------------------------------1078500987 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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-------------------------------1078500987-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 10:44:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25FgTU08245; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40489F4D.2070209@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:39:57 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #363 for March 4, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I apologize if you're seeing this for a second time. But my Mozilla address book doesn't seem to be very robust and erases itself periodically. Almost nobody received this the first time around. --Bill http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040304.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #363 March 4, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on the Zero Ohms. The Featured CD at Midnight was "True Degrees of Freedom" on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "No Pussyfooting" by Robert Fripp and Brian Eno on Antilles Records. I played the music of the Ministry of Inside Things and Ian Boddy who will be performing in the area in the near future. Dor details, see the EMUSIC Events page at http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html. Zero Ohms - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#mar MoIT and Ian Boddy - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Fripp and Eno The Heavenly Music No Pussyfooting (Antilles) Corporation * Thought Guild Distant Star [context] (HRR) Mason Stevens Tell-Tale Heart One Step Into the Unknown (Space for Music) The Ministry of Inside Function Four Everlasting Moment (Synkronos) Things Brannan Lane The Search Module Escape Velocity (Space for Music) Ian Boddy Gravity Well Aurora (DiN) Amongst Myselves 5am Melbourne 1996 Sacred Black (RMC) 12:00 am Zero Ohms The Road True Degrees of Freedom (SFM) Zero Ohms The Spaceport True Degrees of Freedom (SFM) Zero Ohms The Gate True Degrees of Freedom (SFM) Zero Ohms The Inner Mission True Degrees of Freedom (SFM) Zero Ohms The Flight True Degrees of Freedom (SFM) Zero Ohms The Afterglow True Degrees of Freedom (SFM) Zero Ohms The Overlook True Degrees of Freedom (SFM) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Zero Ohms. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Ecstasis" by Zero Ohms and Gordon Rhyne on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Sowiesoso" by Cluster on Sky Records. I will play the music of the Ministry of Inside Things and Ian Boddy who will be performing in the area in the near future. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 11:09:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25G5V610719; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:05:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:05:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [81.86.247.49] X-Originating-Email: [bootstick@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bootstick@hotmail.com From: "Daniel Mayfield" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Recording on a Powerbook Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 16:05:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2004 16:05:24.0540 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB195FC0:01C402CB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Digidesign developed a 001 rack unit which lets you record 8 analogue inputs, I don't think that they still make it but there are ones still around to buy as people upgrade their existing systems. For the price range your looking at there is no better system than this as you get Pro Tools software! (Mac and ProTools user and big fan) Hope this is of some use, my first post on this list, just starting to get into multi-instrument looping very useful group of people to get to know hopefully. Cheers Dan >From: "LeonD" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers-Delight" >Subject: Recording on a Powerbook >Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:40:32 -0500 > >After years of being a Windows users, I'm jumping ship and getting a Mac; a >15" PowerBook. One of my primary uses it to record digital audio. I'm >looking for suggestions on how to connect a mic / guitar to the laptop. > >While four inputs would be nice, I could get by with two. The most I'd >like >to spend is around $500. One store I stopped in really pushed Digidesign's >Mbox. They said in addition to having quality hardware, the included >software was great. > >So, is the Mbox the way to go or is there something else I should be >considering? > >Thanks, >LeonD > > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 11:27:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25GPHi13867; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:25:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:25:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <30910.129.33.49.251.1078504253.squirrel@webmail.cavesofice.org> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:30:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [LOOP] RE: Recording on a Powerbook From: "Steve Burnett" To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Reply-To: burnett@pobox.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Daniel Mayfield" wrote: > Digidesign developed a 001 rack unit which lets you record 8 analogue > inputs, I don't think that they still make it but there are ones still > around to buy as people upgrade their existing systems. For the price > range your looking at there is no better system than this as you get Pro > Tools software! (Mac and ProTools user and big fan) Digidesign discontinued the 001 (rackmount with PCI card, meaning almost impossible/at best highly impractical to use with a Powerbook laptop) and has now replaced the 001 with the 002 Rackmount version (using Firewire instead of needing a PCI card) at the same retail cost they previously sold the 001 for. If you don't mind the PCI card, here's a lot of 001s on ebay, cheaper than they used to be. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 11:37:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25GZcA15661; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:35:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:35:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 17:35:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Recording on a Powerbook From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004601c402af$18231060$6501a8c0@ldroby> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-03-05 13.40, "LeonD" wrote: > After years of being a Windows users, I'm jumping ship and getting a Mac; a > 15" PowerBook. If you are not in extreme hurry about this it might a good idea to hold back for a couple of months. Rumours of "G5 powerbooks" are circulating right now. > One of my primary uses it to record digital audio. I'm > looking for suggestions on how to connect a mic / guitar to the laptop. The fastest interface is a PCMCIA, Cardbus interface. I can recommend the RME Multiface since I'm using this and know from my own experience that it's one of the best interfaces. This one has a break-out box with 8 in, 8 out, 8 digital Adat or stereo S/PDIF. I'm using it with a PCI card on a tower mac (G5) and with the Cardbus interface with a IBM pc laptop (will be replaced by G5 laptop a.s.a.p.). You could also go for a firewire based audio solution. That's not as fast but good enough, many say. There are some inexpensive FW units around (410 etc) and a general rule sais the cheaper they come the cheaper they sound. But if top fidelity is not a must, you have plenty to chose from. > While four inputs would be nice, I could get by with two. The most I'd like > to spend is around $500. > One store I stopped in really pushed Digidesign's > Mbox. They said in addition to having quality hardware, the included > software was great. Agreed! At least it was two months ago before Apple dropped the price for a complete Mac studio software set-up, by Logic, with more than 50 % (well to be true, the price remains but all softsynth instruemnts comes bundled). > So, is the Mbox the way to go or is there something else I should be > considering? It depends on what you plan to use the gear for. And if you want to expand it into the future. That's my main concern against getting a G4 based lappie now because we may soon want to run many programs together, wiring them up to each other through OSX. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 11:50:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25Glxk17213; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:47:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:47:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 09:47:43 -0700 From: Danny Miller Subject: RC 20 or Boomerang To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Message-id: <714A980E916DD61188F00008C74CB3B6399FC7@exchange2.is.sait.ab.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6mq83ifwKWsJDw9mKZjopw)" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_6mq83ifwKWsJDw9mKZjopw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have a question: I am just getting started in composing loop-based guitar music. I just purchased a Boss DD 20 which I run into a Boss BR 1180 digital recorder. I am now focusing on the purchase of a loop dedicated piece of equipment: either the RC 20 or the Boomerang. I am having trouble figuring out which one to buy. I think the RC 20 will fit perfectly into the chain that I already have and I suspect the sound quality into the BR 1180 should be good, since my stuff is all BOSS. However I am not sure if the RC 20 will give me the freedom to experiment and create "spontaneous and evolving" loop based music like the Boomerang. The Boomerang sounds good and it falls into my price range but I am concerned about how it will sound when recorded (I have heard it is noisy). I think there is a question in here somewhere. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I would love to get the EDP but I have a mortgage and 2 young boys. Thanks. Danny Miller --Boundary_(ID_6mq83ifwKWsJDw9mKZjopw) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RC 20 or Boomerang

I have a question: I am just getting = started in composing loop-based guitar music. I just purchased a Boss = DD 20 which I run into a Boss BR 1180 digital recorder. I am now = focusing on the purchase of a loop dedicated piece of equipment: either = the RC 20 or the Boomerang. I am having trouble figuring out which one = to buy. I think the RC 20 will fit perfectly into the chain that I = already have and I suspect the sound quality into the BR 1180 should be = good, since my stuff is all BOSS. However I am not sure if the RC 20 = will give me the freedom to experiment and create "spontaneous and = evolving" loop based music like the Boomerang. The Boomerang = sounds good and it falls into my price range but I am concerned about = how it will sound when recorded (I have heard it is noisy). I think = there is a question in here somewhere. Any feedback would be greatly = appreciated. I would love to get the EDP but I have a mortgage and 2 = young boys. Thanks. Danny Miller

= --Boundary_(ID_6mq83ifwKWsJDw9mKZjopw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 12:09:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25H25u18787; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:02:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:02:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:57:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: RE: Recording on a Powerbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:45 AM -0500 3/5/04, Glenn Poorman wrote: >If memory serves me correctly, Digidesign hardware locks you into >using Digidesign software. I've found it to be the reverse: Digi's software locks you into using their hardware. I have a Digi 002 interface and can use it with just about any other audio software, but if I want to use Pro Tools LE I can't use a different hardware interface. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 12:14:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25HCgr21285; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:12:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:12:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040304134011.03dcf270@spamarrest.com> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20040304134011.03dcf270@spamarrest.com> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:12:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Mail Proggies & Numerology (was Re: ANOTHER VIRUS) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <73CtSD.A.cMF.JULSAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:02 PM -0600 3/4/04, Catilyne wrote: >I advise people to migrate away from Outlook whenever possible. I >can't tell you the number of bullets I've dodged simply because I >use Eudora instead. Eudora 6 has a good spam filter. I find that over 90% of spam messages get diverted to the Junk mailbox, and only a few of these are incorrectly analyzed as spam. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 13:13:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25I9Dw01896; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:09:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:09:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-19.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1078510150!9077019 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.5; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.139.1] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708534103@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Recording on a Powerbook Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:34:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C402D8.192E4230" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C402D8.192E4230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >After years of being a Windows users, I'm jumping ship and getting a Mac; a >15" PowerBook. One of my primary uses it to record digital audio. I'm >looking for suggestions on how to connect a mic / guitar to the laptop. girlfriend uses cubase on her g4 powerbook, and gets in&out of it with a tascam thing that looks like a mixer and hooks into the usb. me, I hate this type of set-up, but it works for here. she uses ableton in the background w/ rewire and oms holding it all together. I think the tascam box is pretty well integrated w/ cubase though. it's a us-428. shame it doesn't have flying faders, it'd be /really/ cool then. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>After years of being a Windows users, I'm jumping shi= p and getting a Mac; a
>15" PowerBook.  One of my primary uses it = to record digital audio.  I'm
>looking for suggestions on how to connect a mic / gu= itar to the laptop.

girlfriend uses cubase on her g4 powerbook, and gets in&a= mp;out of it with a tascam thing that looks like a mixer and hooks into the= usb. me, I hate this type of set-up, but it works for here. she uses ablet= on in the background w/ rewire and oms holding it all together. I think the= tascam box is pretty well integrated w/ cubase though. it's a us-428. sham= e it doesn't have flying faders, it'd be /really/ cool then.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C402D8.192E4230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 13:23:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25IIIi03774; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:18:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:18:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-23.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1078510691!9105245 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.5; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.139.1] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708534104@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Tap Tempo MIDI-Clock Pedal... Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:41:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C402D9.09122780" Resent-Message-ID: <8DshRD.A.36.qRMSAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C402D9.09122780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Here's an interesting upcoming item from usb-audio.com and German-based company Polytec. The "34one" is a fully self-contained tap tempo pedal that generates MIDI-clock.....<< hmm... wonder if they've though of making something that converts in the opposite direction.... I haven't forgotten about this, or interfacing it with a DL4, but the little box I bought that spits out clock pulses from a midi-clock... er... doesn't. it's turned out to be defective. hmm.... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C402D9.09122780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Tap Tempo MIDI-Clock Pedal...

>>Here's an interesting upcoming item from usb-audi= o.com and German-based
company Polytec.  The "34one" is a fully = self-contained tap tempo pedal
that generates MIDI-clock.....<<

hmm... wonder if they've though of making something that = converts in the opposite direction.... I haven't forgotten about this, or i= nterfacing it with a DL4, but the little box I bought that spits out clock = pulses from a midi-clock... er... doesn't. it's turned out to be defective.= hmm....

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C402D9.09122780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 16:26:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25LNtP13259; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:23:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:23:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4048F33F.D8BEC69D@erols.com> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 16:38:07 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC 20 or Boomerang References: <714A980E916DD61188F00008C74CB3B6399FC7@exchange2.is.sait.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Danny Miller wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: 7BIT In the choice between an RC-20 and a Boomerang, I'd go with the RC-20. It has many of the same functions and is considerably less expensive. My thought is if you are going to spend $500 on a Boomerang, save some more money and get the EDP. Otherwise pick up the RC-20. Also, check out the Line 6 DL-4. Depending on what you want to do it may work better for you than the RC-20. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 16:35:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25LWeP14673; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:32:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:32:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:32:32 EST Subject: Re: RC 20 or Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Boss DD-20 Giga Delay ($200 + $19 for wall wart) from : www.altomusic.com. Shipping was included in my price. Good luck, James In a message dated 3/5/04 10:24:32 PM, jmazzarella@erols.com writes: << Danny Miller wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: 7BIT In the choice between an RC-20 and a Boomerang, I'd go with the RC-20. It has many of the same functions and is considerably less expensive. My thought is if you are going to spend $500 on a Boomerang, save some more money and get the EDP. Otherwise pick up the RC-20. Also, check out the Line 6 DL-4. Depending on what you want to do it may work better for you than the RC-20. John www.johnmazzarella.com >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 16:52:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25LnoT17218; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:49:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:49:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: RC 20 or Boomerang Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:49:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQC0iPJPOmngd2gTCOP7ZbIAARxlgAKGscg In-Reply-To: <714A980E916DD61188F00008C74CB3B6399FC7@exchange2.is.sait.ab.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20040305214945.ONGZ7091.fed1mtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Danny Miller wondered not sure if the RC 20 will give me the freedom to experiment and create "spontaneous and evolving" loop based music like the Boomerang. ----> I just acquired the RC-20 and while I like it, the limitations prevent "evolution". I think the Boomerang is more what you need (altho I have not ever had the pleasure of operating one). BTW, Danny stated in his question that he had already acquired the Boss DD-20 Giga Delay. At right around $400 street, I don't know what can compete with the Boomerang--after all, it has lots of sample time, allows feedback control and has a dynamite interface. Let's hear from some Boomerang owners (come on nemo)--is it a cool improv tool (heck, let's hear from John Scofield!)? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 17:28:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25MQVf23377; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:26:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:26:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 17:26:05 -0500 From: brian carabee Subject: Re: RC 20 or Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002601c40300$e29c1660$6501a8c0@ws1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20040305214945.ONGZ7091.fed1mtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Boomerang owner checking in.... I haven't tried the RC-20 yet, but from what I read it seems that the Boomerang requires less "twiddling" in a live setting. The Boomerang's sound quality is pretty good, although I feel the playback is a little speck more "tinny" than the original signal. The 'Rang is very easy to use in actual practice, and becomes intuitive very quickly. It has no quantizing function so you have to be dead-on when recording your first loop, but I find that to be very easy to get used to. After the first loop, it's just a matter of stacking when and where you want. You can set loops to be infinite, or to varying degrees of decay. People have complained about noise, but I find that it is very easy to adjust for different input levels with the gain switch & pot on the back of the unit. When this is set correctly (and it's not hard to do), then there is little concern for noise. It's built like a tank, and the foot switches are far enough apart that you won't step on two by mistake. The 'Rang provides both an "A" and "B" loop, which is nice for variation in a live setting. Programming it is a little weird. Each foot switch has an LED over it and you program it by setting the lights to be either bright, dim, or off. It reminds me of programming an ancient computer I used to have, where a digital word was set by flipping switches. This is fairly well explained in the manual, but you will probably want to write your settings down on a chart that you can refer to. Overall I'm pleased with the Boomerang but I would expect a better digital readout for the money spent. Looking at the state of LEDs works but is non-intuitive. When I use it live, it's a real show-stopper, and I find that with its simple layout there is a minimal "break" with the audience when dealing with the hardware. Some equipment really requires a lot of tweaking and bending over, but the 'Rang minimizes that. Sorry if I'm rambling here. I'm currently fielding phone calls as I write this. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 4:49 PM Subject: RE: RC 20 or Boomerang > Danny Miller wondered > not sure if the RC 20 will give me the freedom to experiment and > create "spontaneous and evolving" loop based music like the Boomerang. > > ----> I just acquired the RC-20 and while I like it, the limitations > prevent "evolution". I think the Boomerang is more what you need (altho I > have not ever had the pleasure of operating one). BTW, Danny stated in his > question that he had already acquired the Boss DD-20 Giga Delay. > At right around $400 street, I don't know what can compete with the > Boomerang--after all, it has lots of sample time, allows feedback control > and has a dynamite interface. Let's hear from some Boomerang owners (come > on nemo)--is it a cool improv tool (heck, let's hear from John Scofield!)? > Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 18:00:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25MxK730690; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:59:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:59:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-BrightmailFiltered: true Message-ID: <40491547.8060503@unguitar.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 01:03:19 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: acf/LA Composer to Composer with GAVIN BRYARS - 03/17/04 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really wish I was there ..... Bryars is a deep one. luca www.unguitar.com asterion@hell.com wrote: > American Composers Forum of Los Angeles proudly presents: > > ===================================== > COMPOSER TO COMPOSER WITH GAVIN BRYARS > ===================================== > > Presentation by composer Gavin BRYARS, moderated by Richard ZVONAR and > Alex SHAPIRO > > > SALVATION THEATRE > > 1519 Griffith Park Blvd at Sunset > > Silverlake district > > Los Angeles, CA 90026 > > > Wednesday, MARCH 17, 2004, 7:30-10:00 PM > > > $10 admission > > > Directions to Salvation Theatre > http://www.linespaceline.org/directions.html > > > > > > In conjunction with his performance on the Musical Explorations series > at REDCAT on March 18, composer Gavin Bryars will discuss his work in > a special ACF Composer to Composer salon. > > > "The music of Gavin Bryars falls under no category. It is mongrel, > full of sensuality and wit and is deeply moving. He is one of the > few composers who can put slapstick and primal emotion alongside > each other. He allows you to witness new wonders in the sounds > around you by approaching them from a completely new angle. With a > third ear maybe." > > -Michael Ondaatje > > > Considered one of Britain's most important post-minimalist composers, > Gavin Bryars mixes classical, jazz and modern influences in music that > is both intellectually engaging and emotionally touching. He has > remained a provocative yet accessible composer in a variety of musical > settings since his first major piece, The Sinking of the Titanic, was > performed in 1969. Bryars currently works with the human voice and, in > particular, with soloists who can cross over from classical to > contemporary music. > > Bryars' March 18 performance at REDCAT will consist primarily of works > for strings and voice, performed by CalArts faculty and students who > have rehearsed under Bryars' supervision. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > For more information on Gavin Bryars, see: > > http://gavinbryars.com/ > > > For an extensive biography of Gavin Bryars, see: > > > http://gavinbryars.com/Pages/bio_fr.html > > > > For information on Gavin Bryars' performance at REDCAT, see: > > > http://redcatweb.org/season/music/gavinbryars.html > > > > > >-- > > > /| |\ > \ \ / / > < * * > > ( o o ) > A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 18:56:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25Ns6h10561; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:54:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:54:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c4030d$315aa9e0$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Subject: Almost Called the Fire Department Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:54:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C402E3.44E1D8A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C402E3.44E1D8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Holy heck. I powered up my rig today to play guitar for a few minutes. = After about ten minutes, I smelt something hot. I touched my Echoplex's = top and it was cool. Then the sound of my Echoplex and drum machine cut = out. I looked at one of the racks and saw a strange look to the meters = on my Alesis RS300 power amp. I powered everything off and disconnected = the amp from the rig in case it burst into flame. That mother was hot! I = burnt my hand pulling it out. Weird. The amp is fairly new and has not = seen much use. I still haven't had a chance to open it up to see if = there's any internal damage. I wonder why this thing decided to make = like a toaster oven all of a sudden? It was about 80 in Columbus GA today and I didn't have my air = conditioning on but my apt. didn't feel excessively warm. That 'may' = have accounted for the problem. I have about 5 inches between the top of the amp and the next rack unit = so it doesn't appear to be crowded. Wonder if I need to run a fan on the = amp? Regards, "Fireman" Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C402E3.44E1D8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Holy heck. I powered up my rig today to = play guitar=20 for a few minutes. After about ten minutes, I smelt something hot. I = touched my=20 Echoplex's top and it was cool. Then the sound of my Echoplex and drum = machine=20 cut out. I looked at one of the racks and saw a strange look to the = meters on my=20 Alesis RS300 power amp. I powered everything off and disconnected the = amp from=20 the rig in case it burst into flame. That mother was hot! I burnt my = hand=20 pulling it out. Weird. The amp is fairly new and has not seen much use. = I still=20 haven't had a chance to open it up to see if there's any internal = damage. I=20 wonder why this thing decided to make like a toaster oven all of a=20 sudden?
 
It was about 80 in Columbus GA today = and I didn't=20 have my air conditioning on but my apt. didn't feel excessively warm. = That 'may'=20 have accounted for the problem.
 
I have about 5 inches between the top = of the amp=20 and the next rack unit so it doesn't appear to be crowded. Wonder if I = need to=20 run a fan on the amp?
 
Regards,
 
"Fireman" = Paul
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C402E3.44E1D8A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 18:58:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i25NpGQ10077; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:51:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:51:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <197.2684f23e.2d7a6c69@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:51:05 EST Subject: Re: RC 20 or Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Boss RC20 and I used to have one of the earlier versions of the Boomerang. I think there is more freedom with the Boomerang. The button layout and roller volume control are friendly, and reverse and speed can be easily controlled. The RC20's best feature is that it can store loops. The sound is clean. I think that in stacking layers the Boss is a bit brighter, the Rang softens them a bit. The Rang noise can be controlled by the trim knob and at worst you could use a denoise box, I think the Behringer is in the $70 range if memory serves, or denoise later using software. I vote for the Boomerang. regards BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 20:36:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i261ZEQ31037; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:35:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:35:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:35:02 EST Subject: Re: RC 20 or Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f9.38256029.2d7a84c6_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10582 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f9.38256029.2d7a84c6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have never played an RC 20, the rang on the other hand is my main looper.....i find varying levels of "feedback" to be very important, i don't know if the RC 20 or the DL4 have a "feedback'' option.....the fact that the rang has 2 lines out is nice to have, an effected and uneffected or two differently effected loops.....the A-B loop ability (both of which can have different ''feedbacks'') can keep things interesting with the rang.....i was never one for saving loops so not having that is no big deal.....the total lenght of time that you get with the rang is wonderful, really short snippits to really long loops.....i have never thought of the rang as noisy, i do like its "analog" sound almost like a saturated tape.....no doubt that the rang is a bit costly as compared to the DL4 or the RC 20 but it's EASE of use in a live setting and options make it well worth it.....but i am so old school that the very fact that i can push a button and hear a loop that i can stack over still blows me away!.....go to LD's tools of the trade and do a cross comparison.....and remember, one can never have too many loopers.....michael --part1_f9.38256029.2d7a84c6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have never played an RC 20, the ra= ng on the other hand is my main looper.....i find varying levels of "feedbac= k" to be very important, i don't know if the RC 20 or the DL4 have a "feedba= ck'' option.....the fact that the rang has 2 lines out is nice to have, an e= ffected and uneffected or two differently effected loops.....the A-B loop ab= ility (both of which can have different ''feedbacks'') can keep things inter= esting with the rang.....i was never one for saving loops so not having that= is no big deal.....the total lenght of time that you get with the rang is w= onderful, really short snippits to really long loops.....i have never though= t of the rang as noisy, i do like its "analog"  sound almost like a sat= urated tape.....no doubt that the rang is a bit costly as compared to the DL= 4 or the RC 20 but it's EASE of use in a live setting and options make it we= ll worth it.....but i am so old school that the very fact that i can push a=20= button and hear a loop that i can stack over still blows me away!.....go to=20= LD's tools of the trade and do a cross comparison.....and remember, one can=20= never have too many loopers.....michael --part1_f9.38256029.2d7a84c6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 5 20:42:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i261dje32457; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:39:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:39:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200403052358.i25Nwd911151@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200403052358.i25Nwd911151@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2223AD6E-6F0F-11D8-9416-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: RC 20 or Boomerang Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:39:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: <8jukeC.A._6H.hvSSAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's because all that programmable functionality was added on in software after the form factor was set. The original Boomerang didn't have any programability, and the LED system was designed for that functionality. Updating the ROMs didn't require a huge retooling investment, but updating the display definitely would. TravisH On Mar 5, 2004, at 3:58 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Overall I'm pleased with the Boomerang but I would expect a better > digital > readout for the money spent. Looking at the state of LEDs works but is > non-intuitive. When I use it live, it's a real show-stopper, and I > find that > with its simple layout there is a minimal "break" with the audience > when > dealing with the hardware. Some equipment really requires a lot of > tweaking > and bending over, but the 'Rang minimizes that. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 6 00:41:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i265dhN18129; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 00:39:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 00:39:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:39:25 -0500 From: brian carabee Subject: Re: RC 20 or Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002001c4033d$63b23bd0$6501a8c0@ws1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200403052358.i25Nwd911151@hemlock.violacea.com> <2223AD6E-6F0F-11D8-9416-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That makes sense. It's really not a bad way to do it, but I hope they have the next generation in the works. I'd like to see a more intuitive programming interface and an undo feature. Other than this minor wish list, for me the 'Rang was an excellent investment. It's important for me to not "tune out" the audience while I fiddle with my toys, and the Boomerang's ultra-simple operation helps tremendously in that regard. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: Re: RC 20 or Boomerang > That's because all that programmable functionality was added on in > software after the form factor was set. The original Boomerang didn't > have any programability, and the LED system was designed for that > functionality. Updating the ROMs didn't require a huge retooling > investment, but updating the display definitely would. > > TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 6 01:21:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i266HN023337; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 01:17:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 01:17:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <003101c402c0$a4d9f3a0$0207a8c0@Stephen> References: <003101c402c0$a4d9f3a0$0207a8c0@Stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Williamson Subject: Re: Recording on a Powerbook Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 00:16:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at grics.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 5, 2004, someone wrote: >>> I'm in the exact same boat you are, and I'm asking the same >>> questions. One person highly recommended Emagic's Logic Pro, but it's >>> more than $500. It lists at $999, but I haven't seen what the street >>> price is. I wanted to point out that I swear by Performer for recording. i've used all the major sequencers at one point or another (i started out on an ST with Notator SL ... i looked forward to Logic. even coming from the ST i could not understand it), and I find myself getting the most amount of work done with Digital Performer. Mark of the Unicorn puts out quality products all round. Performer took the least amount of time to learn for me. they're also the slowest to implement features. i feel it's because they try very hard to make a stable codebase, not because of laziness. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 6 02:04:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2671s129705; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 02:01:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 02:01:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <003101c402c0$a4d9f3a0$0207a8c0@Stephen> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 01:00:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Recording on a Powerbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Mar 5, 2004, someone wrote: >>>>I'm in the exact same boat you are, and I'm asking the same >>>>questions. One person highly recommended Emagic's Logic Pro, but it's >>>>more than $500. It lists at $999, but I haven't seen what the street >>>>price is. > >I wanted to point out that I swear by Performer for recording. Thanks for your input. That was me you're quoting above... Well, now I'm really curious. It seems that Digi's Pro Tools hardware/software, Emagic's Logic Pro, MOTU's Digital Performer, and maybe also Cubase, all get high marks, depending on whom you ask. That also makes it harder to choose which one may be right for me (or for the person who originally posted) as a result. I really want to get into home recording using my p-book, but I also may want (or need) to use this stuff in a live setting, too. So... Is it possible to compose, make sequences, or make samples using these programs, and then trigger them in a live setting via MIDI? How does one go about doing it? Right now I have a Motif 6 keyboard, a rack with a switching system, a MOTU MIDI through box that I send my rack gear through, and a GC Pro--if that helps. How can I integrate my computer into the rig to use in a variety of ways while performing? I guess that's basically what I'm asking. Anymore advice about the pros or cons of any of these apps would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 6 04:20:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i269IIH19596; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:18:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:18:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 10:18:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Recording on a Powerbook From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-03-06 08.00, "Jeff Shirkey" wrote: > I really want to get into home recording using my p-book, but I also > may want (or need) to use this stuff in a live setting, too. So... Is > it possible to compose, make sequences, or make samples using these > programs, and then trigger them in a live setting via MIDI? How does > one go about doing it? If you by "sequences" mean midi sequences, then Logic does this. It's a feature called Touch Tracks. You simply program all your midi parts as usual. Then you set up a Touch Tracks Instrument on one track. This instrument "plays" the other sequences, mapped to midi notes. You might assign a bass line to the note C3, a pad to D3, a snare drum fill to E3... etc, etc. Logic Touch Tracks is a great performance tool, but it only does midi. So you can't trig audio files with it. If you want to trig audio you have to create patches for the built in sampler, EXS24 (because sampler patches can be played by midi). Another great software for audio only is Ableton Live. Here you can not program midi sequences but for audio loops, samples and long files there's no other software that will let you arrange on-the-fly in the same intuitive way. Midi (or computer keys) are assigned to audio clips to trig them for playback. The software will time stretch all playing audio files right away if you change tempo. It's called "elastic audio" ;-) Now, elastic audio is very cool and let you play the laptop just like a DJ to crate instant live mixes. But if you want to play midi synths you have to rely on plug-ins with Live. And in august Logic will the similar elastic audio that is already implemented into Apple Garage Band. But personally I doubt it will ever be as intuitive as Live for an audio performance tool. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 6 05:04:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i26A1v224208; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 05:01:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 05:01:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.92.51.131] X-Originating-Email: [elecluminescent@hotmail.com] X-Sender: elecluminescent@hotmail.com From: "Ryan Ferguson" To: References: <714A980E916DD61188F00008C74CB3B6399FC7@exchange2.is.sait.ab.ca> Subject: Re: RC 20 or Boomerang Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 05:09:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C40339.24A615A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2004 10:01:51.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BAE7F00:01C40362] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C40339.24A615A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RC 20 or BoomerangI was faced with this decision myself and based on = price went with the RC20 and have been happy with my choice.. That = said, it sounds like the Boomerang is a better option for you.. I've = never recorded with one before but a couple of friends have used it on = recordings and my ears don't hear any problems.. The 'rang is much = easier to tweak on the fly for sure but the option to store ten loops on = the RC20 is a nice bonus, they both have their positives and faults when = compared to one another but like I said before, in your case the = Boomerang sounds like a sound choice. Cheers, Ryan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Danny Miller=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: RC 20 or Boomerang I have a question: I am just getting started in composing loop-based = guitar music. I just purchased a Boss DD 20 which I run into a Boss BR = 1180 digital recorder. I am now focusing on the purchase of a loop = dedicated piece of equipment: either the RC 20 or the Boomerang. I am = having trouble figuring out which one to buy. I think the RC 20 will fit = perfectly into the chain that I already have and I suspect the sound = quality into the BR 1180 should be good, since my stuff is all BOSS. = However I am not sure if the RC 20 will give me the freedom to = experiment and create "spontaneous and evolving" loop based music like = the Boomerang. The Boomerang sounds good and it falls into my price = range but I am concerned about how it will sound when recorded (I have = heard it is noisy). I think there is a question in here somewhere. Any = feedback would be greatly appreciated. I would love to get the EDP but I = have a mortgage and 2 young boys. Thanks. Danny Miller ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C40339.24A615A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RC 20 or Boomerang
I was faced with this decision myself = and based on=20 price went with the RC20 and have been happy with my choice..  That = said,=20 it sounds like the Boomerang is a better option for you..  = I've never=20 recorded with one before but a couple of friends have used it on = recordings and=20 my ears don't hear any problems..  The 'rang is much easier to = tweak on the=20 fly for sure but the option to store ten loops on the RC20 is a nice = bonus, they=20 both have their positives and faults when compared to one another = but like=20 I said before, in your case the Boomerang sounds like a sound=20 choice.
 
Cheers,
Ryan
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Danny=20 Miller
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 = 11:47=20 AM
Subject: RC 20 or = Boomerang

I have a question: I am just getting = started in=20 composing loop-based guitar music. I just purchased a Boss DD 20 which = I run=20 into a Boss BR 1180 digital recorder. I am now focusing on the = purchase of a=20 loop dedicated piece of equipment: either the RC 20 or the Boomerang. = I am=20 having trouble figuring out which one to buy. I think the RC 20 will = fit=20 perfectly into the chain that I already have and I suspect the sound = quality=20 into the BR 1180 should be good, since my stuff is all BOSS. However I = am not=20 sure if the RC 20 will give me the freedom to experiment and create=20 "spontaneous and evolving" loop based music like the Boomerang. The = Boomerang=20 sounds good and it falls into my price range but I am concerned about = how it=20 will sound when recorded (I have heard it is noisy). I think there is = a=20 question in here somewhere. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. = I would=20 love to get the EDP but I have a mortgage and 2 young boys. Thanks. = Danny=20 Miller

------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C40339.24A615A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 6 05:43:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i26AgcO30856; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 05:42:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 05:42:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:36:37 +0100 Subject: Midi control for EDP From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: rCp7QrZQoe-iohjiwXVweTHiXLLASIXjtJe9xaa+Jq01M7QM8W5gUW Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, sorry, another midi control question by stupid me. I want to stick to my EFC-7 footpedal with the EDP for the functions I need to do by foot (like record, multiply, overdub and insert) and use some kind of a table top midi device (like a small keyboard) to acces the parameters like half speed, reverse, quantize etc. What would be the requirements for such a programmable device -> cc? note on/off? would maybe knobs do instead of buttons? Thanks a lot, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 6 05:52:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i26AoWZ31915; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 05:50:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 05:50:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:50:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Midi control for EDP From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-03-06 11.36, "Andreas Willers" wrote: > Hello, > > sorry, another midi control question by stupid me. I want to stick to my > EFC-7 footpedal with the EDP for the functions I need to do by foot (like > record, multiply, overdub and insert) and use some kind of a table top midi > device (like a small keyboard) to acces the parameters like half speed, > reverse, quantize etc. What would be the requirements for such a > programmable device -> cc? note on/off? would maybe knobs do instead of > buttons? Hi Andreas, Midi note on/off is my choice for the EDP. Any small midi keyboard would do. You could mark out the keys for the assigned EDP function ("HalfSpeed", "Revers" etc). It's a good idea to get a mini keyboard that can also send midi program change. By this you can change pre-set in your EDP. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 6 09:39:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i26Ebkp04765; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:37:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:37:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CRIPE733@aol.com Message-ID: <87.6fcd271.2d7b3c2f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:37:35 EST Subject: Boss DD-20-Frome a newbie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1078583855" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5100 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1078583855 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got one othese things. Lots of delay permutations and sme memory-sorta Boss's answer to the green Line 6 box. 23s delay available for loops. Okay, now what? I really love the sound of a "pad", a la Leni Stern, Torn and so on. So far though, I'm only able to make things playback....playback....playback....you get it? How does one lay done that nice, sort of sitaristic background pad to play against (so I can perpetrate some new age sludge for my friends ands neighbors...ha) Mike Cripe Tampa, Fl. -------------------------------1078583855 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just got one othese things.  Lots of delay permutations and sme=20= memory-sorta Boss's answer to the green Line 6 box.  23s delay availabl= e for loops.
 
Okay, now what?  I really love the sound of a "pad", a la Leni Ste= rn, Torn and so on.  So far though, I'm only able to make things playba= ck....playback....playback....you get it? 
 
How does one lay done that nice, sort of sitaristic background pad to p= lay against (so I can perpetrate some new age sludge for my friends ands nei= ghbors...ha)
 
Mike Cripe
Tampa, Fl.
 
 
-------------------------------1078583855-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 6 10:00:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i26Ewik08203; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:58:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:58:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Boss DD-20-Frome a newbie Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:00:38 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <87.6fcd271.2d7b3c2f@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.61 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: <7WEoJB.A.CAC.kceSAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com People probably will give suggestions here but I think it will be much more rewarding if you explore and find out by yourself... Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: CRIPE733@aol.com [mailto:CRIPE733@aol.com] Sent: Samstag, 6. Marz 2004 15:38 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss DD-20-Frome a newbie I just got one othese things. Lots of delay permutations and sme memory-sorta Boss's answer to the green Line 6 box. 23s delay available for loops. Okay, now what? I really love the sound of a "pad", a la Leni Stern, Torn and so on. So far though, I'm only able to make things playback....playback....playback....you get it? How does one lay done that nice, sort of sitaristic background pad to play against (so I can perpetrate some new age sludge for my friends ands neighbors...ha) Mike Cripe Tampa, Fl. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 6 10:35:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i26FUtA13570; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 10:30:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 10:30:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.22] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boss DD-20-Frome a newbie Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:19:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2004 15:19:02.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B648450:01C4038E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI Mike I think that ind of new age sludge you are looking for could be created by turning the volume control of your guitar all the way off, then playing the note you want to drop into the loop, just before turning the volume back up in a smooth motion, this way there is no attack to the notes so they sound more synthy, try playing into your pedal, the root note, hold it till you hear it coming back at you in the loop, then add the octave of this note but only hold it for a short time, (the appearence f this note as it loops will give you an idea of the timeing that you are playing to, then begin dropping in harmonics 5ths 7ths , what ever your mind fancys, then close the loop and begin soloing!!!!! good luck dude, let us all know how your getting on, and welcome to this crayzee world of looping, your time and money will never be the same again!! Phill Wilson >How does one lay done that nice, sort of sitaristic background pad to play >against (so I can perpetrate some new age sludge for my friends ands >neighbors...ha) > >Mike Cripe >Tampa, Fl. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 6 12:11:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i26HAn901375; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:10:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:10:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: new age sludge (was: Boss DD-20-Frome a newbie) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:10:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQDkIEjh/SeJFjQTjmOh7eg4OjeswADJxwg Message-Id: <20040306171043.PVXE50.fed1mtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Loop IV software for the EDP enables you to use a control pedal to add volume swell type bits of your performance to a loop without affecting the main volume--using the "in" setting, the pedal controls the input volume. Nice! Also good for multiplying without adding new content. Gotta remember to put it back up if you want to add new stuff tho. Just a reminder that altho it might cost more than some of the other loop tools available, the Echoplex Digital Pro is still the one that lets you do more of what you want--the RC-10 is great, but ridiculous in its simplicity--even more than the 'rang. Gary -----Original Message----- From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 7:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boss DD-20-Frome a newbie HI Mike I think that ind of new age sludge you are looking for could be created by turning the volume control of your guitar all the way off, then playing the note you want to drop into the loop, just before turning the volume back up in a smooth motion, this way there is no attack to the notes so they sound more synthy, try playing into your pedal, the root note, hold it till you hear it coming back at you in the loop, then add the octave of this note but only hold it for a short time, (the appearence f this note as it loops will give you an idea of the timeing that you are playing to, then begin dropping in harmonics 5ths 7ths , what ever your mind fancys, then close the loop and begin soloing!!!!! good luck dude, let us all know how your getting on, and welcome to this crayzee world of looping, your time and money will never be the same again!! Phill Wilson >How does one lay done that nice, sort of sitaristic background pad to >play against (so I can perpetrate some new age sludge for my friends >ands >neighbors...ha) > >Mike Cripe >Tampa, Fl. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 6 12:41:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i26HbBB05599; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:37:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:37:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <69.42359ad7.2d7b663e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:37:02 EST Subject: Re: RC 20 or Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_69.42359ad7.2d7b663e_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10582 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_69.42359ad7.2d7b663e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/6/04 12:41:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, compguy1@optonline.net writes: > I'd like to see a more intuitive programming interface and an > undo feature. > i find that setting up (programming) the rang has "become" pretty intuitive.....as for the "undo" feature, i remember a wise ol sage on here once saying "undo is for sissys" this was before they took him outside and made him listen to 24 hours of polka music.....:).....michael --part1_69.42359ad7.2d7b663e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/6/04 12:41:09 A= M Eastern Standard Time, compguy1@optonline.net writes:


I'd like to see a more intu= itive programming interface and an
undo feature.


i find that setting up (programming) the rang has "become" pretty intuit= ive.....as for the "undo" feature, i remember a wise ol sage on here once sa= ying "undo is for sissys" this was before they took him outside and made him= listen to 24 hours of polka music.....:).....michael --part1_69.42359ad7.2d7b663e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 6 12:44:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i26HelE05993; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:40:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:40:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:40:37 EST Subject: Re: Boss DD-20-Frome a newbie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a1.44e12632.2d7b6715_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10582 Resent-Message-ID: <5f5Md.A.hdB.f0gSAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a1.44e12632.2d7b6715_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/6/04 9:38:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, CRIPE733@aol.com writes: > How does one lay done that nice, sort of sitaristic background pad to play > mike.....i seem to remember reading some ideas from mr.grob regarding this question on the LD website.....michael --part1_a1.44e12632.2d7b6715_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/6/04 9:38:28 AM= Eastern Standard Time, CRIPE733@aol.com writes:


How does one lay done that=20= nice, sort of sitaristic background pad to play against


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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 7 19:42:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i280dxQ31819; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:39:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:39:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "mathieu" To: Subject: PCM 42 power supply Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 00:40:36 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20040306171043.PVXE50.fed1mtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Just wondering if anyone could tell me if a lexicon PCM 42 has a selectable power switch, meaning that i could use an american unit on 240 V (in europe) or would i had need a power convetor? just bid on a unit on ebay and it's finishing in a few hours, so if someone could let me know quickly ;) thanks, best, mateo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 7 19:54:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i280qHq01028; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:52:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:52:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "mathieu" To: , Subject: RE: PCM 42 power supply Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 00:52:52 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8HDUzB.A.7P.BP8SAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hum, in fact looks like i found the answer on lexicon's website, and i think i'll go for it :) thanks, mateito -----Original Message----- From: mathieu [mailto:madmat_03@yahoo.fr] Sent: 08 March 2004 00:41 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: PCM 42 power supply Hi, Just wondering if anyone could tell me if a lexicon PCM 42 has a selectable power switch, meaning that i could use an american unit on 240 V (in europe) or would i had need a power convetor? just bid on a unit on ebay and it's finishing in a few hours, so if someone could let me know quickly ;) thanks, best, mateo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 7 20:04:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2812WP02708; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:02:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:02:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <44F70CA0-709C-11D8-9C3E-000A95C53904@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: AC Subject: remove Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 17:02:28 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com remove From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 8 11:23:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i28GIVk22176; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:18:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:18:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040308161829.66090.qmail@web14713.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:18:29 -0800 (PST) From: Bassist Subject: All Access/Ernie Ball Pedal(s) Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know some of this has been covered in the archives, but I am still searching for a precise answer. I just picked up a Rocktron All Access to control my rack and I need 2 pedals for CC control. I have a 25k Stereo (6167 I believe) pedal which I thought had a linear taper, but it doesn't appear to be true. I want smooth control of the CC's, not the logarithmic type (is that correct?). I like the ruggedness of the EB's, but can I have the pots replaced to do this? I've heard EB will refab a pedal, but will they change the pot type? Any experience here? Or conversely, is there any (passive) rugged pedals out there that will do this of the shelf? Any help is greatly appreciated! tim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 8 14:38:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i28JYG921072; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:34:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:34:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:33:59 +0100 Subject: Look Ma - no looping! (OT) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-QxCq.A.JJF.4qMTAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Today I recorded a song without performing any live looping: http://www.boysen.se/studio/arp01.mp3 Regards per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 8 14:45:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i28JgbL22467; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:42:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:42:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-BrightmailFiltered: true Message-ID: <404CCE04.4010401@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:48:20 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All Access/Ernie Ball Pedal(s) Question References: <20040308161829.66090.qmail@web14713.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040308161829.66090.qmail@web14713.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am usually happy with cheap, 100 Kohm pedals (Proel, Bespeco...) luca www.unguitar.com Bassist wrote: >I know some of this has been covered in the archives, >but I am still searching for a precise answer. > >I just picked up a Rocktron All Access to control my >rack and I need 2 pedals for CC control. I have a 25k >Stereo (6167 I believe) pedal which I thought had a >linear taper, but it doesn't appear to be true. I want >smooth control of the CC's, not the logarithmic type >(is that correct?). > >I like the ruggedness of the EB's, but can I have the >pots replaced to do this? I've heard EB will refab a >pedal, but will they change the pot type? Any >experience here? Or conversely, is there any (passive) >rugged pedals out there that will do this of the >shelf? > >Any help is greatly appreciated! > >tim > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster >http://search.yahoo.com > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 8 15:13:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i28KA4o27272; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:10:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:10:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <404CD272.5090504@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:07:14 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "progdj@yahoogroups.com" Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for March 6, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1h3IU.A._pG.cMNTAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2004/040306.html The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #40 March 6, 2004. I played the music of Ian Boddy and the Ministry of Inside Things who will be playing in the area. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Ian Boddy and Coriolis Caged (DiN) Chris Carter The Ministry of Inside Voyage for Guitar and Everlasting Moment (Synkronos) Things Synth Thomas Fanger and Hall of the Bourbon Analog Overdose 3 (Manikin) Mario Schonwalder Lillies Part 2 Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Rogier A New World From the Shadow to the Sun (Quantum) Rogier Lonely From the Shadow to the Sun (Quantum) R. Carlos Nakai Shining Mountains Sanctuary (Canyon) Deuter White Earth Blue (New Earth) Jim Pietkivitch Skyward Inner Worlds (Electrofine) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Ozroc Tentacles Saucers Strangeitude (Dovetail) It Bites Yellow Christian Once Around the World (Virgin) Threshold Phenomenon Critical Energy (InsideOut) Threshold Oceanbound Critical Energy (InsideOut) NDV Ballad of Jenny Ledge CDR of NJProghouse (none) NDV The Water's Edge Karma (Radiant) Pinnacle Fairytales End CDR of NJProghouse (none) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on March 20. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link. ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 8 15:15:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i28KB2727413; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:11:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:11:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C40551.D3061EA0@dyn-83-152-247-72.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Look Ma - no looping! (OT) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:10:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C40551.D30F4660" Resent-Message-ID: <9c1b8B.A.IsG.WNNTAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C40551.D30F4660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Superb !! it is absolutely great !! Loops or not, this is Music. Francois check some samples on http://1000.times.free.fr/ -----Message d'origine----- De: Per Boysen [SMTP:per@boysen.se] Date: lundi 8 mars 2004 20:34 =C0: Loopers Objet: Look Ma - no looping! 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4054C.93F7CB00 Content-Type: text/plain Not sure if anyone saw this yet: Ploytec Debuts 34one MIDI Tap Tempo Pedal http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2004/34one.html Ploytec, a Germany-based company run by the people of usb-audio.com, is about to release a new product called "34one". Synthesizers like the Korg Triton or Yamaha MOTIF / MOTIF ES offer fantastic arpeggio and live sequencing possibilities that are hard to use live band. That's where 34one comes in, giving you an easy to use tap tempo. It's a 9V block battery driven tap tempo pedal that generates a MIDI Clock signal. The pedal works by stamping out the 'Three Four" of a bar, thus setting a fresh MIDI clock value. The tempo range is 30 to 300 BPM. It can be used for songs, patterns and also arpeggios with software and hardware synthesizers and sequencers. 34one comes with an additional "tap on" function that calculates the tempo with the average value of the last four tap measurements. Plus while you tap on it slightly shifts the rhythm in the direction of the next quarter note to make it easy to stay on time. According to the manufacturer 34one has a running time of over 50 hours from a single 9 Volt battery, while no power is drained when switched off. It will be available this month for EUR 80,- (about US$ 100,-) For more information, visit their web site at www.ploytec.com. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4054C.93F7CB00 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ploytec Debuts 34one MIDI Tap Tempo Pedal

Not sure if anyone saw this yet:

Ploytec Debuts 34one MIDI Tap Tempo Pedal
http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2004/34one.html

Ploytec, a Germany-based company run by the people of = usb-audio.com, is about to release a new product called = "34one".

Synthesizers like the Korg Triton or Yamaha MOTIF / = MOTIF ES offer fantastic arpeggio and live sequencing possibilities = that are hard to use live band. That's where 34one comes in, giving you = an easy to use tap tempo.

It's a 9V block battery driven tap tempo pedal that = generates a MIDI Clock signal. The pedal works by stamping out the = 'Three Four" of a bar, thus setting a fresh MIDI clock value. The = tempo range is 30 to 300 BPM. It can be used for songs, patterns and = also arpeggios with software and hardware synthesizers and sequencers. =

 
34one comes with an additional "tap on" = function that calculates the tempo with the average value of the last = four tap measurements. Plus while you tap on it slightly shifts the = rhythm in the direction of the next quarter note to make it easy to = stay on time.

According to the manufacturer 34one has a running = time of over 50 hours from a single 9 Volt battery, while no power is = drained when switched off. It will be available this month for EUR 80,- = (about US$ 100,-)

For more information, visit their web site at = www.ploytec.com.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C4054C.93F7CB00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 8 15:51:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i28KmQq03018; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:48:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:48:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Ploytec 34one MIDI Tap Tempo Pedal--Soon? Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:48:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQFTX2JDHNJplPoSGeHFY0/rfwiLgAAQUkA Message-Id: <20040308204820.KEQA50.fed1mtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Manual here-- http://www.ploytec.com/34one.pdf Could be useful! gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 8 16:57:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i28LtrG14963; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:55:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:55:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c40558$1bf4de70$e0154ed5@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: JamMan footswitches? Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:55:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, I'm looking for a couple of the jamman two button footswitches - any ideas where I can find them? Anyone got any they want to sell? cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 8 18:25:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i28NNQ926517; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:23:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:23:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <897554CC-7157-11D8-9B43-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Eric Williamson Subject: Sound Art Chameleon - loop delay app Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:22:58 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this ( http://perso.club-internet.fr/raphael.mouneyres/mozer/looper0.htm ) has been discussed here before. i'm trying to email this guy, but for some reason my emails are being bounced as spam. does anyone here communicate with this person via email? i'm trying to reach him. thanks, --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 8 18:29:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i28NSJd27346; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:28:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:28:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:26:51 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Look Ma - no looping! (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2004 23:28:17.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[08FDE7F0:01C40565] Resent-Message-ID: <05frxC.A.JrG.TGQTAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice. Ian At 20:33 08/03/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Today I recorded a song without performing any live looping: >http://www.boysen.se/studio/arp01.mp3 > >Regards > >per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 8 18:43:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i28Nc2a28899; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:38:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:38:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c40566$d9b509e0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <897554CC-7157-11D8-9B43-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: Sound Art Chameleon - loop delay app Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:41:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 23:22 PM Subject: Sound Art Chameleon - loop delay app > this ( > http://perso.club-internet.fr/raphael.mouneyres/mozer/looper0.htm ) has > been discussed here before. > > i'm trying to email this guy, but for some reason my emails are being > bounced as spam. does anyone here communicate with this person via > email? i'm trying to reach him. It's not just domains that spam filters work upon, but subjects. Unless you've gotten email from the system that it is your address or domain that's being blocked, of course. Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 8 20:55:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i291ofB18274; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:50:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:50:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.2f91bc6d.2d7e7cea@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:50:34 EST Subject: "artisan" lap steel guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15d.2f91bc6d.2d7e7cea_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10582 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15d.2f91bc6d.2d7e7cea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes indeed!.....my $79 noise machine arrived today.....can anyone give me some pointers?.....what are the best strings, set-up, tunings, etc?.....i dig it, totally tremed out wacky loops.....if you have any thoughts, ideas, suggestions please respond OFF LIST, i don't know how many other sucka fish snagged one of these babies!.....A BIG THANKS to whomever gave the original pointer to this fun sound machine.....michael --part1_15d.2f91bc6d.2d7e7cea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes indeed!.....my $79 noise machine= arrived today.....can anyone give me some pointers?.....what are the best s= trings, set-up, tunings, etc?.....i dig it, totally tremed out wacky loops..= ...if you have any thoughts, ideas, suggestions please respond OFF LIST, i d= on't know how many other sucka fish snagged one of these babies!.....A BIG T= HANKS to whomever gave the original pointer to this fun sound machine.....mi= chael --part1_15d.2f91bc6d.2d7e7cea_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 8 22:53:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i293nmw04924; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:49:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:49:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040309034941.16861.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:49:41 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: All Access/Ernie Ball Pedal(s) Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040308161829.66090.qmail@web14713.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1251048961-1078804181=:13743" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1251048961-1078804181=:13743 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii eb will NOT mod your pedal. don't bother asking. you'll need to replace the audio pot with a 100k linear pot if you're using an all access. i've got two eb 6166's with my aa and it works great. actually...lemme check, i may be telling you the wrong resistor value. -jim --0-1251048961-1078804181=:13743 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

eb will NOT mod your pedal.  don't bother asking.

you'll need to replace the audio pot with a 100k linear pot if you're using an all access.  i've got two eb 6166's with my aa and it works great.

actually...lemme check, i may be telling you the wrong resistor value.

-jim

--0-1251048961-1078804181=:13743-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 9 02:36:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i297ZLc03295; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 02:35:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 02:35:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040309073514.23431.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:35:14 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Akai mpc 1000 vs. roland sp808 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <15d.2f91bc6d.2d7e7cea@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I want to integrate a sampler to my loopers so ive been checking out the new akai mpc1000 seems really cool,compact and does a lot but the price makes me look at other opitons like the sp808,which although bulkier seems very cool and about 400.00dlls cheaper! any thoughts opinions or experience with this babies would be appreciated! cheers Louie ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 9 04:12:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i29977c14177; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 04:07:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 04:07:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c405b6$59ecbb90$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20040229173513.32750.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com> <005501c3ff98$cc75cd10$0207a8c0@Stephen> <057401c40060$899350d0$0207a8c0@Stephen> Subject: Re: London Looping? Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:10:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <4H5tyB.A.YdD.7kYTAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I recall some discussion of this last year, involving some dates in the > midst of March, and a primary site that has high-speed internet broadcast > capability. Has this gone the way of all flesh, or is it an active concept? > > Anyone? Anyone? Guess not huh? Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 9 11:06:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i29G05l06279; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:00:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:00:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040309160001.19509.qmail@web14710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 08:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: Bassist Subject: Re: All Access/Ernie Ball Pedal(s) Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040309034941.16861.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought as much. So the mono pedal will work? What kind of cable, I though it had to be stereo? The 6166 is a 250k ohm. How tough is it to replace the pots? tim --- "JAMES FOWLER, III" wrote: > > eb will NOT mod your pedal. don't bother asking. > > you'll need to replace the audio pot with a 100k > linear pot if you're using an all access. i've got > two eb 6166's with my aa and it works great. > > actually...lemme check, i may be telling you the > wrong resistor value. > > -jim > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 9 13:21:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i29IITn25567; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:18:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:18:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: All Access/Ernie Ball Pedal(s) Question Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 12:18:28 -0600 Message-ID: <018801c40602$ebf8f840$0832a8c0@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20040309160001.19509.qmail@web14710.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com where hans lindauer? he has all kinds of good info on this topic. the physical size of the pot depends on whether you have the old style pedal or the new ones. old = english = 1/4 inch shaft. new = metric = i can't remember, i had the 1/4 incher. anyway, the allaccess uses the pot as a voltage divider, so any value will be ok. there will be some lower limit, but 100k will work, though 10k is more common in the quality pots). i'm thinking hans recommended a conductive plastic pot. he gave out some model numbers a while back, check the archives ('ernie ball;pot;hans') you can also wire the pedal to use a single trs jack to make the cabling simpler (otherwise you use an insert cable) hope this helps, it's been a while since i've had anything to say here... > > I thought as much. So the mono pedal will work? What > kind of cable, I though it had to be stereo? > > The 6166 is a 250k ohm. How tough is it to replace the > pots? > > tim > --- "JAMES FOWLER, III" wrote: > > > > eb will NOT mod your pedal. don't bother asking. > > > > you'll need to replace the audio pot with a 100k > > linear pot if you're using an all access. i've got > > two eb 6166's with my aa and it works great. > > > > actually...lemme check, i may be telling you the > > wrong resistor value. > > > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 9 13:50:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i29IjVX30465; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:45:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:45:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040309184524.45916.qmail@web80214.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:45:24 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: All Access/Ernie Ball Pedal(s) Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040309160001.19509.qmail@web14710.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2119875857-1078857924=:44161" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2119875857-1078857924=:44161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'm not sure what other values will work...i know 100k linear will work. it's a breeze to replace the pot, but make sure you get a pot with a long enough shaft. generally, the shaft isn't long enough to accommodate that little brass wheel thingy. you'll need an insert cable or you can do like mr. palmer suggested and modify one of the jacks. -jim --0-2119875857-1078857924=:44161 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

i'm not sure what other values will work...i know 100k linear will work. 

it's a breeze to replace the pot, but make sure you get a pot with a long enough shaft.  generally, the shaft isn't long enough to accommodate that little brass wheel thingy.

you'll need an insert cable or you can do like mr. palmer suggested and modify one of the jacks.

-jim

--0-2119875857-1078857924=:44161-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 9 19:32:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2A0PnU24477; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:25:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:25:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: Is there any advantage in using a real time looper in a computer software music environment? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:25:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C406C4.B591E290" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040309184524.45916.qmail@web80214.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQGB0VGhj2Bdd6WR3WcPbXqLIcU2AA9P5ng Message-Id: <20040310002539.CZKR18087.fed1mtao08.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <3ckC3.A.T-F.NCmTAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C406C4.B591E290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any advantage in using a real time looper in a computer software music environment, say with Ableton Live or Cubase SX? I've been looking at the RC-20, and some of the other looping instruments at the Loopers Delight site. It doesn't look like the RC-20 supports midi. It seems that syncing is an important issue. I'm not a guitarist, so I mostly ignored the e-mails coming through that dealt with such instruments. Then I realized that you can use them with keyboards and drum machines, and that perked my interest. So, I'd appreciate any feedback you can give. Thanks, Tom ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C406C4.B591E290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is there any advantage in using a = real time looper in a computer software music environment, say with = Ableton Live or Cubase SX?  I’ve been looking at the RC-20, and = some of the other looping instruments at the Loopers Delight site.  It = doesn’t look like the RC-20 supports midi.  It seems that syncing is an = important issue.

 

I’m not a guitarist, so I = mostly ignored the e-mails coming through that dealt with such = instruments.  Then I realized that you can use them with keyboards and drum machines, and = that perked my interest.

 

So, I’d appreciate any = feedback you can give.

 

Thanks, = Tom

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C406C4.B591E290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 9 21:03:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2A20MJ07249; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:00:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:00:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040310020020.83074.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:00:20 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: gemini ds 1224 sampler manual??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-313779667-1078884020=:82648" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-313779667-1078884020=:82648 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii help!!!! i just got a Gemini DS-1224 sampler (ebay of course) to add to my inexpensive arsenal, and it didn't have a manual. DOES ANY ONE HAVE A MANUAL THAT THEY could send me a copy? or is Gemini products manuals on line somewhere? i searched, but couldn't find anything..... any help would be apprec'ed. please email me at: scott.hansen@kirkwood.edu thanks, s--- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. --0-313779667-1078884020=:82648 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
help!!!!
i just got a Gemini DS-1224 sampler (ebay of course)
to  add to my inexpensive arsenal, and it didn't have a manual.
DOES ANY ONE HAVE A MANUAL THAT THEY could
send me a copy?
or is Gemini products manuals on line somewhere? i searched, but
couldn't find anything.....
any help would be apprec'ed.
thanks,
s---

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Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. --0-313779667-1078884020=:82648-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 9 21:08:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2A241S08056; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:04:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:04:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040310020400.84600.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: guitar looping puts my son back to sleep To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1221130836-1078884240=:83350" Resent-Message-ID: <83CXNB.A.u9B.RenTAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1221130836-1078884240=:83350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii over the last few weeks after my youngest son (4 mos) wakes up from his afternoon nap, i bring him down to my studio and have been doing some looping experiments and lo and behold it puts him back to sleep. and a couple of times i wasn't playing (guitar w/ looping) too quietly, oh well, guess that comments on the state of my guitar loop experiements as of late.... s--- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. --0-1221130836-1078884240=:83350 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
over the last few weeks after my youngest son (4 mos) wakes up from his
afternoon nap, i bring him down to my studio and have been doing some
looping experiments and lo and behold it puts him back to sleep. and a couple
of times i wasn't playing (guitar w/ looping) too quietly, oh well, guess that
comments on the state of my guitar loop experiements as of late....
s---

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Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. --0-1221130836-1078884240=:83350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 9 22:28:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2A3PJd22912; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:25:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:25:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Ploytec Debuts 34one MIDI Tap Tempo Pedal Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:25:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQFTX2JDHNJplPoSGeHFY0/rfwiLgBAWojQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20040310032513.BTQU50.fed1mtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You wrote: For more information, visit their web site at www.ploytec.com. I just did (again) and the release seems imminent--the web page now reads "please contact us for availability". That seems promising--so I did. The future is now! (OK, soon) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 01:16:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2A6EkI16207; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 01:14:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 01:14:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c40668$5ba01600$2c31b141@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: <20040310020020.83074.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: gemini ds 1224 sampler manual??? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:24:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Scott, It's on Gemini's site, look under retired products. http://www.geminidj.com/products.shtml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 03:24:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2A8M2j02548; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 03:22:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 03:22:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAiC2vKcFNGRJRQ/3b7NtfcqcoGK0CFQDD2W/BVPzLBjuZJLn77Y01ZDHgog== From: Psychofuzz@webtv.net (psychofuzz) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:21:56 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Beginner Sampler Message-ID: <523-404ED024-5487@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, can someone recomend a sampler for about $100-150 used? I want to sample some guitar and have it loop over and over. I was thinking of getting an sp202 or Zoom sampletrack... anyone please let me know your opinion. Thanks Jason From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 04:34:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2A9XFT14595; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 04:33:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 04:33:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:33:06 +0100 Subject: Re: guitar looping puts my son back to sleep From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040310020400.84600.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-03-10 03.04, "scott hansen" wrote: > over the last few weeks after my youngest son (4 mos) wakes up from his > afternoon nap, i bring him down to my studio and have been doing some > looping experiments and lo and behold it puts him back to sleep. and a couple > of times i wasn't playing (guitar w/ looping) too quietly, oh well, guess that > comments on the state of my guitar loop experiements as of late.... > s--- Looping can be very relaxing. Here's a different story: When my oldest son was a baby he always woke up whenever I tried to play a little guitar (very silently, using a strat without amp.) Once when he was four I gave him a pair of headphones and a mic patched to a delay. He took right away into making up stories, using different voice characters, and producing sound effects into the delay line. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 04:47:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2A9jpe17158; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 04:45:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 04:45:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <77.23d39d3c.2d803dc4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 04:45:40 EST Subject: Re: JamMan footswitches? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hi all, > > I'm looking for a couple of the jamman two button footswitches - any ideas > where I can find them? Anyone got any they want to sell? > > cheers > > Steve the original model is discontinued. Easiest way is probably to go down to Maplin and get the components to make your own :-( andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 06:07:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2AB3PW27519; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:03:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:03:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a801c4068f$3e8f86a0$b716fea9@nenufar> Reply-To: "Emmanuel PERILLE" From: "Emmanuel PERILLE" To: References: <200208281613.MAA12411@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020828102547.02500bb8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: The Grabber sampler Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:02:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi LD list, Here comes now one more new gizmo you could add in your list Kim ! For those who do not know yet the Grabber sampler => http://www.jsits.com/geneq/en/tgrab.htm The question is how many loops can we make with that one ? emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 07:26:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2ACL0011670; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:21:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:21:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c4069a$238ab680$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <200208281613.MAA12411@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020828102547.02500bb8@loopers-delight.com> <00a801c4068f$3e8f86a0$b716fea9@nenufar> Subject: Re: The Grabber sampler Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:20:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is THE looper for air guitar Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmanuel PERILLE" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: The Grabber sampler > Hi LD list, > > Here comes now one more new gizmo you could add in your list Kim ! > For those who do not know yet the Grabber sampler => > http://www.jsits.com/geneq/en/tgrab.htm > The question is how many loops can we make with that one ? > emmanuel > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 10:16:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2AFD5N19017; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:13:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:13:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <897554CC-7157-11D8-9B43-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> References: <897554CC-7157-11D8-9B43-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:50:53 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Sound Art Chameleon - loop delay app Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >this ( >http://perso.club-internet.fr/raphael.mouneyres/mozer/looper0.htm ) >has been discussed here before. > >i'm trying to email this guy, but for some reason my emails are >being bounced as spam. does anyone here communicate with this person >via email? i'm trying to reach him. > >thanks, >--- >Eric Williamson >www.suitandtieguy.com we are actually working on a adaption of the EDP soft for Chameleon -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 10:18:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2AFD5U19044; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:13:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:13:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:08:09 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: guitar looping puts my son back to sleep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On 04-03-10 03.04, "scott hansen" wrote: > >> over the last few weeks after my youngest son (4 mos) wakes up from his >> afternoon nap, i bring him down to my studio and have been doing some >> looping experiments and lo and behold it puts him back to sleep. >>and a couple >> of times i wasn't playing (guitar w/ looping) too quietly, oh >>well, guess that >> comments on the state of my guitar loop experiements as of late.... >> s--- > >Looping can be very relaxing. Here's a different story: > >When my oldest son was a baby he always woke up whenever I tried to play a >little guitar (very silently, using a strat without amp.) Once when he was >four I gave him a pair of headphones and a mic patched to a delay. He took >right away into making up stories, using different voice characters, and >producing sound effects into the delay line. Looping can also be confusin, here is a different story: I once played in a neat quiet italian restauran for background. at some point I realized I had inconsciously drifted into some very strange sound layering, some deep cavern meditation stuff, and I thought: lets get out of this, you cannot do such stuff here. at the end of the night, somebody told me about a girl that had been carried out with some attack of crying. Although it happened at a table pretty close to where I played, I had not noticed anything! I am sure I was in that sound cavern then. Maybe it was her cavern, really. It may have hurt or helped her, I dont know. But certainly it was a strange place for such "work" ! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 10:26:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2AFM2j20995; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:22:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:22:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <404F329C.5090408@biink.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:22:04 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: guitar looping puts my son back to sleep References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <91dpL.A.4HF.aKzTAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: > Looping can also be confusin, here is a different story: > > I once played in a neat quiet italian restauran for background. > > at some point I realized I had inconsciously drifted into some very > strange sound layering, some deep cavern meditation stuff, and I > thought: lets get out of this, you cannot do such stuff here. > > at the end of the night, somebody told me about a girl that had been > carried out with some attack of crying. Although it happened at a > table pretty close to where I played, I had not noticed anything! > I am sure I was in that sound cavern then. Maybe it was her cavern, > really. > It may have hurt or helped her, I dont know. > But certainly it was a strange place for such "work" ! I was at a Sunday morning raga concert a few years ago, same thing happened. Hindustani raga master singing away, exploring all the variations when a little girl starts crying. Not for everyone I guess. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 10:53:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2AFjsc24555; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:45:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:45:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200403101545.i2AFjso24530@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Sound Art Chameleon - loop delay app Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:45:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQGsrL7njaQ1oilS2yyXYEDOHgrDAAA7T5w In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now that seems like the next logical place to take the Echoplex. Make this looper platform independent and even more extensible. I would give that kind of upgrade some serious consideration even if I do love my Beigeface with Loop IV ;D -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sound Art Chameleon - loop delay app >this ( >http://perso.club-internet.fr/raphael.mouneyres/mozer/looper0.htm ) has >been discussed here before. > >i'm trying to email this guy, but for some reason my emails are being >bounced as spam. does anyone here communicate with this person via >email? i'm trying to reach him. > >thanks, >--- >Eric Williamson >www.suitandtieguy.com we are actually working on a adaption of the EDP soft for Chameleon -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 12:15:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2AHAPd04132; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:10:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:10:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040310171023.28462.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:10:23 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: gemini site/cheap samplers.... To: loop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1006967992-1078938623=:25874" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1006967992-1078938623=:25874 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks for sending the gemini site!!!!! that will help out!!!! as for cheap samplers-i really like my dod d-12 (now discontinued), it has 4 banks of 6 sec samples or you can combine 2 for two 12 sec samples. i also like the 12 sec delay for budget lexicon pcm 42 sounds (a la d. torn, et al...) i don't know about the other samplers zoom, boss, i had a yamaha one (U series, early one) that i got cheap, and i didn't like it. not very intuitive and not good for live on the spot work, in my opinion, hence the reason i didn't have it very long...s---- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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thanks for sending the gemini site!!!!!
that will help out!!!!
 
as for cheap samplers-i really like my dod d-12 (now discontinued),
it has 4 banks of 6 sec samples or you can combine 2 for two 12 sec
samples. i also like the 12 sec delay for budget lexicon pcm 42 sounds
(a la d. torn, et al...)
 
i don't know about the other samplers zoom, boss, i had a yamaha one
(U series, early one) that i got cheap, and i didn't like it. not very intuitive
and not good for live on the spot work, in my opinion, hence the reason i didn't
have it very long...s----
 

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Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. --0-1006967992-1078938623=:25874-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 12:56:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2AHqIi10080; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:52:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:52:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040310175217.51898.qmail@web14714.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:52:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bassist Subject: RE: All Access/Ernie Ball Pedal(s) Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <018801c40602$ebf8f840$0832a8c0@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks I searched the archives and saw both of your names in the threads, so I guess you've been through this a bit. Please bear with me. So it seems the 6166 Mono is a better choice cause the pots can be replaced without soldering? An insert cable is a stereo cable no? No word from Hans yet, although he states in the archive that the 6167 is a linear taper, and that certainly isn't true in mine, all the action is in the top 3rd of the pedal. tim --- Jim Palmer wrote: > where hans lindauer? > he has all kinds of good info on this topic. > > the physical size of the pot depends on whether you > have > the old style pedal or the new ones. > old = english = 1/4 inch shaft. > new = metric = i can't remember, i had the 1/4 > incher. > > anyway, the allaccess uses the pot as a voltage > divider, so any value will be ok. there will be > some lower limit, but 100k will work, though > 10k is more common in the quality pots). > i'm thinking hans recommended a conductive plastic > pot. > he gave out some model numbers a while back, > check the archives ('ernie ball;pot;hans') > > you can also wire the pedal to use a single trs jack > to make > the cabling simpler (otherwise you use an insert > cable) > > hope this helps, it's been a while since i've had > anything to say here... > > > > > > I thought as much. So the mono pedal will work? > What > > kind of cable, I though it had to be stereo? > > > > The 6166 is a 250k ohm. How tough is it to replace > the > > pots? > > > > tim > > --- "JAMES FOWLER, III" > wrote: > > > > > > eb will NOT mod your pedal. don't bother > asking. > > > > > > you'll need to replace the audio pot with a 100k > > > linear pot if you're using an all access. i've > got > > > two eb 6166's with my aa and it works great. > > > > > > actually...lemme check, i may be telling you the > > > wrong resistor value. > > > > > > -jim > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 13:21:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2AIEPX13358; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:14:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:14:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:09:53 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Beginner Sampler In-Reply-To: <523-404ED024-5487@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2004 18:14:22.0909 (UTC) FILETIME=[839786D0:01C406CB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I use a Boss SP303 and am pleased with it, however, (and this might well be my not having fully tried out all possibilities) I haven't yet managed to get it to accurately loop to MIDI clock, so I tend to use it for single shot samples or 'looping' on its own which it does fine. Its very easy to use and has resampling and lots of effects. If anybody uses one with MIDI, I'd be grateful for any syncing advice. I would recommend it - especially if you buy a 64mb Compact Flash card. Good luck. Ian. At 00:21 10/03/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Hello, can someone recomend a sampler for about $100-150 used? I want to >sample some guitar and have it loop over and over. I was thinking of >getting an sp202 or Zoom sampletrack... anyone please let me know your >opinion. Thanks Jason > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 14:10:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2AJ2x320487; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:02:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:02:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040310190253.44541.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:02:53 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: RE: All Access/Ernie Ball Pedal(s) Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040310175217.51898.qmail@web14714.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-459240545-1078945373=:44129" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-459240545-1078945373=:44129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii let it be known: the 6166 works perfect with the all access. you do have to solder...the three leads connecting the pot must either be cut or unsoldered from the stock pot and resoldered to the new pot. -jim --0-459240545-1078945373=:44129 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
let it be known: the 6166 works perfect with the all access.
 
you do have to solder...the three leads connecting the pot must either be cut or unsoldered from the stock pot and resoldered to the new pot.

-jim
--0-459240545-1078945373=:44129-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 14:34:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2AJUQT24399; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:30:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:30:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:30:19 EST Subject: Re: JamMan footswitches? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd.732e3ac.2d80c6cb_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_cd.732e3ac.2d80c6cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about the folks at Custom Audio Electronics? I remember they made custom footswitches for Warren Cucurullo. Not exactly cost effective though!(?) -Todd --part1_cd.732e3ac.2d80c6cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about the= folks at Custom Audio Electronics?  I remember they made custom footsw= itches for Warren Cucurullo.  Not exactly cost effective though!(?) &nb= sp;-Todd --part1_cd.732e3ac.2d80c6cb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 16:34:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2ALVHo07723; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:31:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:31:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20040310130118.01cf9d78@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:30:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: RE: All Access/Ernie Ball Pedal(s) Question In-Reply-To: <20040310175217.51898.qmail@web14714.mail.yahoo.com> References: <018801c40602$ebf8f840$0832a8c0@jpalmer> <20040310175217.51898.qmail@web14714.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, I don't really remember and I no longer have access to the numbers. I made some detailed posts to Steven Rice about this, at one point. I believe that I recommended using a stereo pedal, and re-wiring the header terminal to get the proper heel/toe action. I don't know what pots are used on the new mini-pedals, so they could be different. -Hans At 09:52 10/03/2004, you wrote: >Thanks > >I searched the archives and saw both of your names in >the threads, so I guess you've been through this a >bit. Please bear with me. > >So it seems the 6166 Mono is a better choice cause the >pots can be replaced without soldering? An insert >cable is a stereo cable no? > >No word from Hans yet, although he states in the >archive that the 6167 is a linear taper, and that >certainly isn't true in mine, all the action is in the >top 3rd of the pedal. > >tim >--- Jim Palmer wrote: > > where hans lindauer? > > he has all kinds of good info on this topic. > > > > the physical size of the pot depends on whether you > > have > > the old style pedal or the new ones. > > old = english = 1/4 inch shaft. > > new = metric = i can't remember, i had the 1/4 > > incher. > > > > anyway, the allaccess uses the pot as a voltage > > divider, so any value will be ok. there will be > > some lower limit, but 100k will work, though > > 10k is more common in the quality pots). > > i'm thinking hans recommended a conductive plastic > > pot. > > he gave out some model numbers a while back, > > check the archives ('ernie ball;pot;hans') > > > > you can also wire the pedal to use a single trs jack > > to make > > the cabling simpler (otherwise you use an insert > > cable) > > > > hope this helps, it's been a while since i've had > > anything to say here... > > > > > > > > > > I thought as much. So the mono pedal will work? > > What > > > kind of cable, I though it had to be stereo? > > > > > > The 6166 is a 250k ohm. How tough is it to replace > > the > > > pots? > > > > > > tim > > > --- "JAMES FOWLER, III" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > eb will NOT mod your pedal. don't bother > > asking. > > > > > > > > you'll need to replace the audio pot with a 100k > > > > linear pot if you're using an all access. i've > > got > > > > two eb 6166's with my aa and it works great. > > > > > > > > actually...lemme check, i may be telling you the > > > > wrong resistor value. > > > > > > > > -jim > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster >http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 18:13:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2ANB5w21615; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:11:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:11:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c40706$16b6bf50$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <897554CC-7157-11D8-9B43-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Sound Art Chameleon - as LoopIV platform Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:13:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <1swiUC.A.lRF.JC6TAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now *that* is what I'm talking about. The Chameleon is STEREO I/O, too, for you I-must-have-stereo! whiners. Can I inquire as to what sort of progress you've made on the LoopIV adaption??? -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:50 AM Subject: Re: Sound Art Chameleon - loop delay app > >this ( > >http://perso.club-internet.fr/raphael.mouneyres/mozer/looper0.htm ) > >has been discussed here before. > > > >i'm trying to email this guy, but for some reason my emails are > >being bounced as spam. does anyone here communicate with this person > >via email? i'm trying to reach him. > > > >thanks, > >--- > >Eric Williamson > >www.suitandtieguy.com > > we are actually working on a adaption of the EDP soft for Chameleon > -- > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 19:27:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2B0Ow531882; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:24:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:24:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1078964696.404fb1d86bab3@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:24:56 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sound Art Chameleon - as LoopIV platform References: <897554CC-7157-11D8-9B43-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <006601c40706$16b6bf50$0200a8c0@amd> In-Reply-To: <006601c40706$16b6bf50$0200a8c0@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Matthias Grob: > we are actually working on a adaption of the EDP soft for Chameleon i am very glad to hear that, and if you make it available for purchase at a reasonable price (which i assume you would) i would be happy to buy it. however i need/want something FAR simpler than an EDP. the primary drawback to the EDP for me is a lack of pre-defined loop lengths and a "dump" control which doesn't require me to hit "record" and re-define the loop length. i have both of these things with my PCM-80 in a very hi fidelity enviornment. i have no use for multiple loops. multiply, reverse, half-speed, and the ever-mighty quantise function (which makes those things useable) are great though. what i was wanting out of a looper was very very simple: 1. stereo 2. a knob to set loop length in bars or seconds with a shift-button to change the metre (in bars mode) or add milliseconds (in seconds mode). 3. a percentage knob, 50%-200%, to change the delay time with interpolation so the pitch changes as well. 4. a "clear delay memory" control. i don't even care about feedback, because when i'm using two loopers i always dump one anyway to start over. reverse would be great, but i could live without it. being able to set the length of the loop ahead of time in bars or seconds is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING for me. having a "dump" button is almost as important. these things don't fit within your established LoopDelay paradigm, but if you were to accomodate them somehow it would give me a reason to buy two chameleons and relegate my Echo Pro and PCM-80 to tasks they perform better, like delay and reverb. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 19:53:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2B0nmw03302; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:49:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:49:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040311004946.48651.qmail@web20311.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:49:46 -0800 (PST) From: Spacemodular Subject: Re: JamMan footswitches? (For Sale as Vortex package) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-n7t8D.A.ez.se7TAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Steve, I have 2 of these attached to a Lexicon Vortex that I would sell as a package. Any interest? Please reply off list if you (or anyone else) feel so inclined- thanks! Nick Wilson Chicago To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: JamMan footswitches? ] > hi all, > > I'm looking for a couple of the jamman two button footswitches - any ideas > where I can find them? Anyone got any they want to sell? > > cheers > > Steve __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 20:42:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2B1fPJ11489; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:41:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:41:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040309073514.23431.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040309073514.23431.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:40:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Recording on a Mac Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <60h_9C.A.azC.FP8TAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just ordered Digital Performer, Reason 2.5, and a MOTU 828 firewire interface. I'll be using all of the above with my new G4 Powerbook. Is anyone on the list using comparable gear? I'm asking now b/c I know I'll need some help sooner rather than later, in all likelihood. If I knew that there were other DP/Reason/Mac users on the list, it'd be great. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 21:07:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2B22pe15451; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:02:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:02:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:02:27 -0800 From: "Art Simon" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: simart@null.net X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items? X-Sender-Ip: 67.118.19.131 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7syc_D.A.SxD.Lj8TAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a former owner of an edp owner and a current repeater owner, I'm wondering if the handwriting is on the wall for hardware loopers. I recently downloaded AudioMulch and Ellotronix XL(both free!) and was impressed by what I could do. While they don't have the same capabilites as the edp and repeater, they are equally powerful in their own way. I recently sold my edp, and now I notice there's a repeater on ebay with bids currently at $1000, more than twice what I paid for mine: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3709681015&category=38070&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1 So I'm thinking, should I sell my repeater? Have hardware loopers become valuble collector's items while software loopers are becoming more powerful musician's tools? My guitar isn't worth more than a month's rent--should my looper be? --- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com simart@null.net ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 21:15:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2B2EAN17601; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:14:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:14:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaReCGKS7eXatmCcrP63zkDVm4x5wTywxmxDoF6UlDYOtwQSO47Ip7h Message-ID: <012201c4070e$eac91600$6501a8c0@ldroby> From: "LeonD" To: References: <20040309073514.23431.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Recording on a Mac Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:16:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff, I'm about a week and a half behind. I have the Powerbook coming in the mail as I type. I'm undecided as to which audio interface. I was thinking of an Mbox but a lot of folks are recommending the 828. It just may be a little out of my price range (we'll see :-) LeonD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:40 PM Subject: Recording on a Mac > I just ordered Digital Performer, Reason 2.5, and a MOTU 828 firewire > interface. I'll be using all of the above with my new G4 Powerbook. > > Is anyone on the list using comparable gear? I'm asking now b/c I > know I'll need some help sooner rather than later, in all likelihood. > If I knew that there were other DP/Reason/Mac users on the list, it'd > be great. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 21:39:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2B2cL620565; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:38:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:38:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012201c4070e$eac91600$6501a8c0@ldroby> References: <20040309073514.23431.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> <012201c4070e$eac91600$6501a8c0@ldroby> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:37:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Recording on a Mac Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Leon, > >I'm about a week and a half behind. I have the Powerbook coming in the mail >as I type. I'm undecided as to which audio interface. I was thinking of an >Mbox but a lot of folks are recommending the 828. If you're considering getting Digital Performer and the 828, check out computersandmusic.com. You can get them both for $1059 total. That's a hard deal to beat. I just decided to spring for it. Why wait? You can't take all these toys with you when you go...at least that's how I see it! ;) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 21:40:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2B2doa20882; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:39:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:39:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1078972788.404fd174ad3b6@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:39:48 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Art Simon : > and now I notice there's a repeater on ebay with bids currently at $1000, > more than twice what I paid for mine: that auction is really fishy. i wouldn't touch it with a ten foot mouse click. i do not believe that hardware looping is an esoteric collectors' item. the Repeater is only going for this obscene price because the company disappered right when they were finally becoming a viable market force, creating a greater demand for Repeaters than supply. there will be _something_ to fill the void. as far as whether instruments should be valuable or not, keep in mind that back in the day a good guitar and amplifier was worth _several_ months' rent ... probably fewer months than the same equipment today. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 22:50:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2B3nOK29800; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:49:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:49:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: danray4@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:49:17 +0000 Message-Id: <031120040349.18771.4df8@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 27 2003) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZGFucmF5NEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: <8u6I7D.A.hRH.DH-TAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Quoting Art Simon : > > and now I notice there's a repeater on ebay with bids currently at $1000, > > more than twice what I paid for mine: > > that auction is really fishy. > > i wouldn't touch it with a ten foot mouse click. > > i do not believe that hardware looping is an esoteric collectors' item. the > Repeater is only going for this obscene price because the company disappered > right when they were finally becoming a viable market force, creating a greater > demand for Repeaters than supply. there will be _something_ to fill the void. > > as far as whether instruments should be valuable or not, keep in mind that back > in the day a good guitar and amplifier was worth _several_ months' rent ... > probably fewer months than the same equipment today. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 10 23:47:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2B4jUl03673; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:45:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:45:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <404FED85.97276CF1@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:39:34 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Art Simon wrote: > As a former owner of an edp owner and a current repeater owner, > I'm wondering if the handwriting is on the wall for hardware loopers. Unless that handwriting includes the complete, bug-free code to perfectly emulate every known hardware looper, with zero input and processing latency in a computer-based environment, then I'd say no. :) > I recently downloaded AudioMulch and Ellotronix XL(both free!) > and was impressed by what I could do. While they don't have the > same capabilites as the edp and repeater, they are equally powerful > in their own way. The EDP and Reepater themselves don't have the same capabilities, so lumping them together in comparison to freeware softs is doing them both a bit of a disservice. I did a Google search for "Ellotronix XL" and only found six results, none of them in English, so I can't talk about that. As far as Audiomulch, it does look like a very impressive package for what it does. But what it does is coming from a totally different paradigm than something like an EDP, and comparing the two of them against each other is like comparing a Hammond organ to a software synthesizer. > So I'm thinking, should I sell my repeater? If you can do everything you want to do with the Repeater in software instead, and are happy to be tied to a computer for your looping, then maybe so. > Have hardware loopers become valuble collector's items while > software loopers are becoming more powerful musician's tools? No! For one thing (and to reiterate the first idea), there's no direct competition for something like an Echoplex in the software world, because there's no software that does everything the Echoplex already does (and was doing 10 years ago, for that matter). Sure, you could hypothetically sit down with Max/MSP or Reaktor or some other modular system, and try to assemble your own version of it, or you could write the code from scatch. That's assuming you're willing to spend however many months or years it will take to get all of the functions intact (and usable in rapid succession, in a stable, bug-free manner) before you can actually stop building your instrument and start making music with it. It also assumes you'll be able to live with whatever latency your software and interface will impose on both your input audio, and your actual post-input looping functions. There's apparently a UNIX emulation of the EDP LoopIII software, written by a guy who read the EDP manual but never actually used one in person. I'd be interested to know how stable and bug-free it is, what kind of latency it has, and what sorts of possibilities exist for interfaces (both in terms of getting audio in and out of the computer, and in terms of controlling the looping functions) for something like this. But I've never heard of someone using it, so it doesn't seem to be serious competition as of yet. > My guitar isn't worth more than a month's rent--should my looper be? If your looper is a program like Audiomulch, MAX, Ableton Live, or any other piece of pure software, then a true "cost benefit analysis" needs to take the full package into consideration. So, beyond the cost of the software itself, you need to budget for: - The computer itself (and if you're looking at using this in a true performance situation, you need to assume you're running a laptop) - Sufficient RAM for the computer to juggle all of the necessary functions in real time - An audio interface that can pipe your input into the software, and pipe the computer sound back out - A controller that can send all of the necessary commands to make your software do what it needs to, and can send the kinds of commands that particular piece of software can recognize. (And, again, if you're a performer, one that can do so in a manner that's efficient for the player, and hopefully elegant for the audience) Ultimately, though, this is all kind of academic. The bottom line is: what do you want to do, and how are you willing to do it? A rock bassist who wants to loop backing chords to solo over while he plays in a bar isn't going to need a program like Audiomulch. Ask him if he'd rather spend several thousand dollars on a laptop rig, or less than $300 for a DL4 or Boss looper. Likewise, a programmer who wants to have four seperate loops of different lengths running simultaneously, with individual volume and feedback controls, sending each loop to a seperate processing path and audio output, isn't going to be satisfied with one Echoplex. (Nor should he be, because that's not what the EDP was designed to do in the first place.) Some day hardware loopers may be completely eliminated by software. But I don't want to put my music making on indefinite hold while I wait for someone to emulate what's already readily available here and now. Especially not when there's still so much I have to learn about my Echoplex. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 11 01:31:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2B6SWT15149; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 01:28:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 01:28:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c40732$0e4f8c30$6501a8c0@williamsteed> From: "Bill Walker" To: References: <200403102313.i2ANDpc22031@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Jamman footswitches Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:28:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2CS-C.A.isD.QcAUAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the boss FS-U interlocking footswitches are the bomb for a Jamman. You need four of them and they are'nt exactly cheap, but they are sturdy , and have switchable polarities so you can use them with anything requiring a momentary footswitch. You will also need two stereo y cables to connect the pedals to the jamman. I like that, when linked together, they are are spaced further apart than the original lexicon footswitch, making false or double triggering a non factor. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 11 01:36:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2B6YC915880; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 01:34:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 01:34:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040311063410.312.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:34:10 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: godlyke powerall?? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9Y0A2.A.A4D.khAUAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody have any experience with the godlyke powerall pwr adapter? it claims it is a 9v, 1.7a power supply that can power multiple pedals, including the Line6 modelers. but my Line6 PX2 supply is 9v, 2.0a all by itself. can the godlyke really power a DL4 plus other stuff at the same time? i have a pedal board w/ 12 pedals-- 10 small pedals, plus a Boss V-Wah (asks for a PSA-120) and a DL4. could 1 godlyke handle all this? if it couldn't, what would be the result-- less signal quality, failing pedals, permanent damage? thanks!!! dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 11 01:37:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2B6aQ916189; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 01:36:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 01:36:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040310223709.058b3dd0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:39:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Sound Art Chameleon - as LoopIV platform In-Reply-To: <1078964696.404fb1d86bab3@www.suitandtieguy.com> References: <897554CC-7157-11D8-9B43-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <006601c40706$16b6bf50$0200a8c0@amd> <1078964696.404fb1d86bab3@www.suitandtieguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9wVTy.A.z8D.qjAUAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:24 PM 3/10/2004, Eric Williamson wrote: >being able to set the length of the loop ahead of time in bars or seconds >is THE >MOST IMPORTANT THING for me. >these things don't fit within your established LoopDelay paradigm, the echoplex has this function already. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 11 08:35:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2BDXhq30578; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:33:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:33:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 05:33:33 -0800 From: "Art Simon" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: simart@null.net X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items? X-Sender-Ip: 67.118.19.131 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I realize now that my post came off a bit as a troll, and I wish I had been more articulate. Eric and Andre make some excellent points, but I've been thinking about this a lot, and I still think hardware loopers may be on the way out. I'd assume that the cost of development of a hardware looper is many times over the cost of developing software, and I'd really be surprised to see any new developments in hardware loopers. On the other hand, software loopers seem to be growing both in number and capability. If people haven't checked out Elottronix XL (sorry for the mis-spelling in my previous post), they really should. It's developer describes it as a Frippertronics emulation: http://www.uv.es/~ruizcan/p_vst.htm Two simultaneous 80 second maximum "sound on sound" delays with stereo pan and filters. All parameters controllable through midi. Both the delays and pan sync easily to the host. It's not a EDP clone (I wish it was), but it has some advantages in how well it integrates as a VST plugin in a DAW or host program. It's stable and it's free. On my Celeron laptop and can run several instances of it simultaneously, and I'm getting 6ms latentcy with my IndigoIO sound card. There are other free looping programs as well: Ambiloop, Loopitch and the UNIX based edp emulation Andre mentioned. If we froze the current feature set of the software loopers, then hardware loopers are clearly superior. I'm anticipating, though, that feature set will grow. Hardware loopers can also wear out, break and get stolen; serious considerations as they become increasingly expensive to replace. --- Art Simon http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com simart@null.net --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:39:34 From: Andre LaFosse To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: >Art Simon wrote: > >> As a former owner of an edp owner and a current repeater owner, >> I'm wondering if the handwriting is on the wall for hardware loopers. > >Unless that handwriting includes the complete, bug-free code to >perfectly emulate every known hardware looper, with zero input and >processing latency in a computer-based environment, then I'd say no. :) > >> I recently downloaded AudioMulch and Ellotronix XL(both free!) >> and was impressed by what I could do. While they don't have the >> same capabilites as the edp and repeater, they are equally powerful >> in their own way. > >The EDP and Reepater themselves don't have the same capabilities, so >lumping them together in comparison to freeware softs is doing them both >a bit of a disservice. > >I did a Google search for "Ellotronix XL" and only found six results, >none of them in English, so I can't talk about that. As far as >Audiomulch, it does look like a very impressive package for what it >does. But what it does is coming from a totally different paradigm than >something like an EDP, and comparing the two of them against each other >is like comparing a Hammond organ to a software synthesizer. > >> So I'm thinking, should I sell my repeater? > >If you can do everything you want to do with the Repeater in software >instead, and are happy to be tied to a computer for your looping, then >maybe so. > >> Have hardware loopers become valuble collector's items while >> software loopers are becoming more powerful musician's tools? > >No! > >For one thing (and to reiterate the first idea), there's no direct >competition for something like an Echoplex in the software world, >because there's no software that does everything the Echoplex already >does (and was doing 10 years ago, for that matter). > >Sure, you could hypothetically sit down with Max/MSP or Reaktor or some >other modular system, and try to assemble your own version of it, or you >could write the code from scatch. That's assuming you're willing to >spend however many months or years it will take to get all of the >functions intact (and usable in rapid succession, in a stable, bug-free >manner) before you can actually stop building your instrument and start >making music with it. It also assumes you'll be able to live with >whatever latency your software and interface will impose on both your >input audio, and your actual post-input looping functions. > >There's apparently a UNIX emulation of the EDP LoopIII software, written >by a guy who read the EDP manual but never actually used one in person. >I'd be interested to know how stable and bug-free it is, what kind of >latency it has, and what sorts of possibilities exist for interfaces >(both in terms of getting audio in and out of the computer, and in terms >of controlling the looping functions) for something like this. But I've >never heard of someone using it, so it doesn't seem to be serious >competition as of yet. > >> My guitar isn't worth more than a month's rent--should my looper be? > >If your looper is a program like Audiomulch, MAX, Ableton Live, or any >other piece of pure software, then a true "cost benefit analysis" needs >to take the full package into consideration. > >So, beyond the cost of the software itself, you need to budget for: > >- The computer itself (and if you're looking at using this in a true >performance situation, you need to assume you're running a laptop) > >- Sufficient RAM for the computer to juggle all of the necessary >functions in real time > >- An audio interface that can pipe your input into the software, and >pipe the computer sound back out > >- A controller that can send all of the necessary commands to make your >software do what it needs to, and can send the kinds of commands that >particular piece of software can recognize. (And, again, if you're a >performer, one that can do so in a manner that's efficient for the >player, and hopefully elegant for the audience) > >Ultimately, though, this is all kind of academic. The bottom line is: >what do you want to do, and how are you willing to do it? > >A rock bassist who wants to loop backing chords to solo over while he >plays in a bar isn't going to need a program like Audiomulch. Ask him >if he'd rather spend several thousand dollars on a laptop rig, or less >than $300 for a DL4 or Boss looper. > >Likewise, a programmer who wants to have four seperate loops of >different lengths running simultaneously, with individual volume and >feedback controls, sending each loop to a seperate processing path and >audio output, isn't going to be satisfied with one Echoplex. (Nor >should he be, because that's not what the EDP was designed to do in the >first place.) > >Some day hardware loopers may be completely eliminated by software. But >I don't want to put my music making on indefinite hold while I wait for >someone to emulate what's already readily available here and now. >Especially not when there's still so much I have to learn about my Echoplex. > >--Andre LaFosse >http://www.altruistmusic.com > > ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 11 10:50:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2BFn3q14452; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:49:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:49:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4050890C.6725E719@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:43:09 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Art Simon wrote: > I realize now that my post came off a bit as a troll, > and I wish I had been more articulate. No, you don't (and didn't) come across that way at all to me. I don't think any of your points are "wrong," and I don't think there's anything wrong with using software instead of hardware if a person wants to. What I think is important, though, is to really understand what these differences are, and what you're gaining - or losing - in both musical and practical terms by choosing one over the other. That's what's worth talking about. > I've been thinking about this a lot, and I still think > hardware loopers may be on the way out. Indeed, they "may" be on the way out, depending on how you describe being "in" or "out." Vinyl records are "out" by a lot of people's definition, but some labels still press new vinyl, some companies still manufacture turntables and cartidges, some listeners still spend a lot of money for records and players, and some DJ's insist on spinning vinyl because they can't do what they need to with digital files or CD's. Analog tape is "out" for some people, in the sense that digital is much more prevalent, much more affordable, much easier to maintain, and much more powerful in terms of what can be done with a signal once it's been recorded. Yet a lot of people still maintain that there's a quality and character to good analog gear that simply can't be replaced or emulated entirely. And therefore people still manufacture and use tape as a medium and approach for recording music. Some people even embrace the limitations that the medium imposes, as a way of allowing it to sculpt other aspects of the creative process in ways that inspire them. > I'd really be surprised to see any new developments in hardware loopers. A few years ago, a lot of people scoffed at the idea of the Echoplex being able to add anything significantly new or improved with a software-only upgrade to a fixed hardware design. Bob Sellon has snuck some really cool (and rather unique) features into his series of aftermarket JamMan upgrades. Surprises and new developments thankfully go hand-in-hand a lot of the time. But maybe even more importantly, before we start wishing for "new features in hardware," I for one think it would be a very good idea to come to terms with the features that are already there - and have been there for years, in some cases. I think of it kind of like guitars: there are new and innovative instruments being made every year, with all sorts of cool new features and design angles. But at the same time, people still play, and purchase, Stratocasters and Telecasters - instruments that have had more or less fixed designs for decades. In fact, if you go into a mainstream guitar store like Guitar Center or Sam Ash, those two instruments are by far the most popular choices available. People still keep coming back because the instrument has a particular depth and direction to it, and people will still pay at least as much for a good Strat and a Twin combo amp as they will for a Line6 modelling guitar or amp, even though the digital breed has "more" sounds and "more" features available to it. How many years has it taken for the EDP's feature set to start being fully understood and appreciated on a fairly widespread level? What new music can we look forward to as more people start coming to grips with what it offers, and find ways of using those avenues in their work? A "fixed system," whether it's a guitar or a hardware looper or whatever, isn't necessarily a bad thing. Especially if it's a deep enough thing to allow a person to keep finding ways of inspiring themselves to make music. When I listen to recordings of Terry Riley from 1968, or Jaco Pastorious from 1986, or David Torn from 1987, or Paul Dresher from 1988, or Robert Fripp from 1994, I hear a depth and a flexibility and a MUSICALITY that comes from learning and understanding one's instrument - dealing with what's available to them there and now, and working within the available limitations - just like any instrumentalist does when they learn how to play. Hearing some of Terry's stuff from the '60s recently was a revelation for me: it was strictly a reel-to-reel tape loop setup, recorded about 35 years ago. And the depth and variation he had going makes nearly all of the "modern," "new," "sophisticated" looping I've heard recently sound hopelessly stiff and primitive and undeveloped by comparison. > On the other hand, software loopers seem to be growing > both in number and capability. If people haven't checked > out Elottronix XL, they really should. It's developer describes > it as a Frippertronics emulation: > http://www.uv.es/~ruizcan/p_vst.htm It looks like a really cool plug-in, for sure - if I had a PC I'd play around with it. But it's explicitly coming from the long delay paradigm, and has a very different design angle (and, pound for pound, a much, much smaller feature set) than something like an EDP. It's kind of like the guitar analogy: Line6 might have a fantastic Les Paul emulation on a six-string fixed bridge 22-fret modelling guitar, but if I need a seven-string with 24 frets and a whammy bar then that isn't going to help me a whole lot. > If we froze the current feature set of the software loopers, > then hardware loopers are clearly superior. Well here again, the issue of what's better or worse is completely dependent on a person's musical needs. If somebody wants twin long-delay lines with independent syncable LFOs and pans, then the Fripp emulation might be a "superior" choice for them. On the other hand, if I use that sort of thing, I'm going to feel like I'm going backwards about six or seven years, because it hardly does what I need a looper to do for me. > Hardware loopers can also wear out, break and get stolen; As can laptop computers! (And their interfaces.) > serious considerations as they become increasingly expensive to replace. True, although this sort of thing is applicable to a lot of physical musical instruments in general. A high-end instrument or component will often cost a lot to replace, and the same model may not be available anymore if and when that happens. Here again, though, at the end of it all, these issues are kind of skirting around what I feel the crux of the matter is. And that is: what do you want to do? What kind of musical statement are you trying to make? How dependant is it on the features that are available in any particular piece of hardware or software? Are you the kind of person who likes to construct their tools and environments, and tailor things specifically to their existing vision? Or do you like to be presented with a tool someone else has spent time thinking about and designing, and then focus strictly on making music with that tool by exploring the "finite" possibilities therein? The bottom line for me personally is that there's absolutely no competition in the software world for what I want to be able to do. If and when one happens to materialize, I'll check it out. In the meantime, I've got a lot more music to make, and a lot more to learn about how to use the tools I already have. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 11 11:26:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2BGL7M19029; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:21:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:21:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040311085552.04abd2f8@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:17:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <98NkaC.A.MpE.zHJUAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:33 AM 3/11/2004, Art Simon wrote: >I realize now that my post came off a bit as a troll, and I wish I had >been more articulate. Eric and Andre make some excellent points, but I've >been thinking about this a lot, and I still think hardware loopers may be >on the way out. I wouldn't be quite so tough on yourself. Asking tough questions doesn't necessarily make you a troll, especially given the level of sincerity evident behind the question. I think you do have a point, that hardware loopers may soon be replaced to a great extent with software (although the current synth market bears out that there will always be some demand for hardware, despite software). This is especially poignant given Matthias' admission that the Loop IV software is being ported to the SoundArts Chameleon. Also, Muse Research is just now releasing a piece of hardware (the Receptor) which should run just about any Windows-based VST/VSTi. So, even if we accept that nobody's gotten this 'looping in software' thing down just yet, *somebody* is going to get it right eventually. Conversely, I've got one overarching reason why I'm not considering selling my Repeater (besides the fact that I think it's just too cool). Simply: computers crash. The Repeater allows me to store loops onto its CFC card. So, in case of emergency, I can load some loops back into the Repeater, then do simple improv over the top of them while the computer reboots. The audience, with any luck, doesn't have to wait for me to work out my technical glitches (and, indeed, may not even know there's a problem -- unless my laptop dies screaming). In summary, I find that hardware loopers and computers complement each other quite nicely.... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 11 11:29:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2BGRIc20188; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:27:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:27:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040311101813.04b9cae8@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:26:36 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Sound Art Chameleon - as LoopIV platform In-Reply-To: <1078964696.404fb1d86bab3@www.suitandtieguy.com> References: <897554CC-7157-11D8-9B43-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> <006601c40706$16b6bf50$0200a8c0@amd> <1078964696.404fb1d86bab3@www.suitandtieguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:24 PM 3/10/2004, Eric Williamson wrote: >i need/want something FAR simpler than an EDP. the primary drawback to the EDP >for me is a lack of pre-defined loop lengths and a "dump" control which >doesn't >require me to hit "record" and re-define the loop length. > >i have both of these things with my PCM-80 in a very hi fidelity enviornment. Eric, have you checked out the Lexicon emulations from PSP software ( http://www.pspaudioware.com )? It almost sounds as if something like the PSP-42 or PSP-84 VST's running on your laptop (or, if you need outboard, on a Receptor [ http://www.museresearch.com ]). They might be pretty close to hitting most of your points. Just a thought... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 11 12:16:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2BHCrq25501; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:12:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:12:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:11:38 -0600 (CST) From: X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Sound Art Chameleon - as LoopIV platform In-Reply-To: <1078964696.404fb1d86bab3@www.suitandtieguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com buy a line 6 DL4!! ;-D On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Eric Williamson wrote: > Quoting Matthias Grob: > > we are actually working on a adaption of the EDP soft for Chameleon > > i am very glad to hear that, and if you make it available for purchase at a > reasonable price (which i assume you would) i would be happy to buy it. > > however > > i need/want something FAR simpler than an EDP. the primary drawback to the EDP > for me is a lack of pre-defined loop lengths and a "dump" control which doesn't > require me to hit "record" and re-define the loop length. > > i have both of these things with my PCM-80 in a very hi fidelity enviornment. > > i have no use for multiple loops. multiply, reverse, half-speed, and the > ever-mighty quantise function (which makes those things useable) are great > though. > > what i was wanting out of a looper was very very simple: > > 1. stereo > > 2. a knob to set loop length in bars or seconds with a shift-button to change > the metre (in bars mode) or add milliseconds (in seconds mode). > > 3. a percentage knob, 50%-200%, to change the delay time with interpolation so > the pitch changes as well. > > 4. a "clear delay memory" control. > > i don't even care about feedback, because when i'm using two loopers i always > dump one anyway to start over. reverse would be great, but i could live without > it. > > being able to set the length of the loop ahead of time in bars or seconds is THE > MOST IMPORTANT THING for me. having a "dump" button is almost as important. > > these things don't fit within your established LoopDelay paradigm, but if you > were to accomodate them somehow it would give me a reason to buy two chameleons > and relegate my Echo Pro and PCM-80 to tasks they perform better, like delay > and reverb. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 11 13:16:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2BIA7500394; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:10:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:10:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040311181002.26321.qmail@web14010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:10:02 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: line 6 expression pedal-- TRS or 1/4"?? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3nlzuD.A.CG._tKUAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a quick question... i just got a line 6 expression pedal used, it didn't come with a cable to attach it to my new DL4. it has an input jack, as well as a covered-up output jack. should i use a normal 1/4" cable to go from the expression pedal to the DL4, or a TRS to TRS cable? thanks again! dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 11 19:30:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2C0RtQ15365; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:27:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:27:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040312002754.87150.qmail@web14716.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:27:54 -0800 (PST) From: Bassist Subject: RE: All Access/Ernie Ball Pedal(s) Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040310130118.01cf9d78@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <50qQx.A.-vD.LQQUAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans (or anyone) Do you know where I can find the dual linear pots with a long enough shaft to replace them? tim --- Hans Lindauer wrote: > Sorry, I don't really remember and I no longer have > access to the > numbers. I made some detailed posts to Steven Rice > about this, at one > point. I believe that I recommended using a stereo > pedal, and re-wiring > the header terminal to get the proper heel/toe > action. > > I don't know what pots are used on the new > mini-pedals, so they could be > different. > > -Hans > > > At 09:52 10/03/2004, you wrote: > >Thanks > > > >I searched the archives and saw both of your names > in > >the threads, so I guess you've been through this a > >bit. Please bear with me. > > > >So it seems the 6166 Mono is a better choice cause > the > >pots can be replaced without soldering? An insert > >cable is a stereo cable no? > > > >No word from Hans yet, although he states in the > >archive that the 6167 is a linear taper, and that > >certainly isn't true in mine, all the action is in > the > >top 3rd of the pedal. > > > >tim > >--- Jim Palmer wrote: > > > where hans lindauer? > > > he has all kinds of good info on this topic. > > > > > > the physical size of the pot depends on whether > you > > > have > > > the old style pedal or the new ones. > > > old = english = 1/4 inch shaft. > > > new = metric = i can't remember, i had the 1/4 > > > incher. > > > > > > anyway, the allaccess uses the pot as a voltage > > > divider, so any value will be ok. there will be > > > some lower limit, but 100k will work, though > > > 10k is more common in the quality pots). > > > i'm thinking hans recommended a conductive > plastic > > > pot. > > > he gave out some model numbers a while back, > > > check the archives ('ernie ball;pot;hans') > > > > > > you can also wire the pedal to use a single trs > jack > > > to make > > > the cabling simpler (otherwise you use an insert > > > cable) > > > > > > hope this helps, it's been a while since i've > had > > > anything to say here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought as much. So the mono pedal will > work? > > > What > > > > kind of cable, I though it had to be stereo? > > > > > > > > The 6166 is a 250k ohm. How tough is it to > replace > > > the > > > > pots? > > > > > > > > tim > > > > --- "JAMES FOWLER, III" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > eb will NOT mod your pedal. don't bother > > > asking. > > > > > > > > > > you'll need to replace the audio pot with a > 100k > > > > > linear pot if you're using an all access. > i've > > > got > > > > > two eb 6166's with my aa and it works great. > > > > > > > > > > actually...lemme check, i may be telling you > the > > > > > wrong resistor value. > > > > > > > > > > -jim > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > >http://search.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 11 19:59:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2C0voO18800; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:57:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:57:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20040311163359.01ccd540@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:35:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: RE: All Access/Ernie Ball Pedal(s) Question In-Reply-To: <20040312002754.87150.qmail@web14716.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.0.20040310130118.01cf9d78@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> <20040312002754.87150.qmail@web14716.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3hFOSD.A.llE.OsQUAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, no. You can get one from EB in a rebuild kit, but it's like $55 or something ridiculous. -Hans At 16:27 11/03/2004, you wrote: >Hans (or anyone) > >Do you know where I can find the dual linear pots with >a long enough shaft to replace them? > >tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 11 20:23:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2C1Iqj21409; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:18:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:18:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tom@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040311063410.312.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040311063410.312.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:18:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: godlyke powerall?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2uRWLC.A.ZOF.8_QUAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >anybody have any experience with the godlyke powerall pwr >adapter? it claims it is a 9v, 1.7a power supply that can >power multiple pedals, including the Line6 modelers. but my >Line6 PX2 supply is 9v, 2.0a all by itself. can the godlyke >really power a DL4 plus other stuff at the same time? i >have a pedal board w/ 12 pedals-- 10 small pedals, plus a >Boss V-Wah (asks for a PSA-120) and a DL4. could 1 godlyke >handle all this? if it couldn't, what would be the result-- >less signal quality, failing pedals, permanent damage? >thanks!!! I use it to power a DL-4, Akai Headrush, VL-70m, and a Roland drum machine and it works fine. I once had a problem with it in a specific room with suspect power where I had this and a lot of other items on a single power bar -- it would lose power for a moment intermittently. I moved it to another powerbar and had no issues for the rest of the night. Aside from that, it's worked flawlessly -- and I suspect that wasn't its fault either. 100% recommended. /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 11 20:45:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2C1iEw24587; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:44:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:44:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20040311063410.312.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:43:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: godlyke powerall?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-Q3lrD.A.EAG.uXRUAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>anybody have any experience with the godlyke powerall pwr >>adapter? Another power supply you should check out is the ADL Juicebox. They are being made again, and the first batch is due to ship at the end of this month. See tonepilot.com for more details. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 11 22:35:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2C3UYf04127; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:30:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:30:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040312033028.72868.qmail@web80211.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:30:28 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: RE: All Access/Ernie Ball Pedal(s) Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040311163359.01ccd540@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-801297129-1079062228=:71807" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-801297129-1079062228=:71807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii dual? huh? try the local electronics store. if you either can't find the part or the store, try any one of the following: www.jameco.com www.mouser.com www.digikey.com there are a bajillion online electronics retailers....those are three of the bigger ones. -jim --0-801297129-1079062228=:71807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

dual?  huh?

try the local electronics store.  if you either can't find the part or the store, try any one of the following:

www.jameco.com

www.mouser.com

www.digikey.com

there are a bajillion online electronics retailers....those are three of the bigger ones.

-jim

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23:06:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Important notify about your e-mail account. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear team, tank yu for impotent notify. i warn you, please have a good day. user of looper At 11:03 PM 04/03/11, support@loopers-delight.com wrote: >Dear user of e-mail server "Loopers-delight.com", > >We warn you about some attacks on your e-mail account. Your computer may >contain viruses, in order to keep your computer and e-mail account safe, >please, follow the instructions. > >For details see the attach. > >Have a good day, > The Loopers-delight.com > team http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 12 02:29:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2C7RgA00703; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:27:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:27:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040312072101.26321.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:21:01 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: tape echo? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as always, thank you for the advice on power supplies / expression pedals! another question-- what tape echoes are out on the market? i know there's the fulltone tte, any other current products out there? thanks! dylan p.s. i did business today w/ www.effectsforless.com ... very cool site, highly recommended. fyi. peace! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 12 03:04:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2C81T804368; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:01:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:01:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200403120701.i2C71AC26713@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200403120701.i2C71AC26713@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7689410E-73FB-11D8-896E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:01:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 11, 2004, at 11:01 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> I've been thinking about this a lot, and I still think >> hardware loopers may be on the way out. Nah. Like guitars are on the way out, replaced by synthesizers? Or like synthesizers are on the way out, replaced by samplers? Or samplers are on the way out, replaced by virtual analog synthesizers? Purpose built tools, those things stick around forever, if they're even halfway useful. Software tools get abandoned and systems dependent upon them become difficult to maintain. I knew a guy who was really dependent on a Powerbook 140 running, I believe, Mastertrax. It was this great sequencing program that did everything he wanted it to and very little of anything else, and he had his two-man band doing wacky covers with all the other parts being handled by the computer. His program wouldn't run on any version of the OS made after '95 or so, the OS wouldn't run on any computer made after about '97, and now he's got hundreds of files on floppy in Mastertrax song format. Sure you can find parts for ancient powerbooks on eBay cheap, but who the hell wants to bother with piecing together vintage computers? Or following some never-ending upgrade path in both hardware and software? We're talking hundreds of songs that have to be converted and doublechecked everytime you switch to some new freeware sequencing program. And we're talking about technology that's only a decade or so old. Other people have brought up the point that you're more likely to develop a deep relationship with a tool that has a fixed feature set, rather than some software-based thing that can be reconfigured and extended and changed in a thousand different ways. But it's worth noting again: the ability to easily add features may be more of a detriment than an advantage. When it's difficult or expensive to change something, you spend a lot more time considering how important the feature really is. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 12 11:27:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2CGKC228380; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:20:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:20:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040312162006.73062.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:20:06 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: line 6 expression pedal-- TRS or 1/4"?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200403120701.i2C71AQ26714@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7rfz1B.A.V7G.8MeUAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dylan, The Line 6 expression pedal uses a 1/4" TS (mono) cable. Stephen a quick question... i just got a line 6 expression pedal used, it didn't come with a cable to attach it to my new DL4. it has an input jack, as well as a covered-up output jack. should i use a normal 1/4" cable to go from the expression pedal to the DL4, or a TRS to TRS cable? thanks again! dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 12 15:05:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2CK1il24887; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:01:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:01:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4052169B.9010304@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:59:23 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #264 for March 11, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-4gQLC.A.wEG.ochUAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040311.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #364 March 11, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the Zero Ohms. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Ecstasis" by Zero Ohms and Gordon Rhyne on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Sowiesoso" by Cluster on Sky Records. I played the music of the Ministry of Inside Things and Ian Boddy who will be performing in the area in the near future. For details, see the EMUSIC Events page. Zero Ohms - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#mar EMUSIC Events Page - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Cluster Umleitung Sowiesoso (Sky)` Ian Boddy Virtual Journey The Uncertainty Principle (Something Else) Ruben Garcia Colors in Motion Maybe Forgotten Forever (Trance Port) Fanger & Schonwalder Hall of the Bourbon Analog Overdose 3 (Manikin) w/ Cosmic Hoffmann Lillies The Ministry of Inside Hibernation Dreams Everlasting Moment (Synkronos) Things Zero Ohms & G. Rhyne Luminosity Ecstasis (SFM) 12:00 am Zero Ohms & G. Rhyne Seeker Ecstasis (SFM) Zero Ohms & G. Rhyne Realization Ecstasis (SFM) Zero Ohms & G. Rhyne Contemplation Ecstasis (SFM) Zero Ohms & G. Rhyne Stillpoint Ecstasis (SFM) Zero Ohms & G. Rhyne Paradox Ecstasis (SFM) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Zero Ohms. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Glass Bead Game" on Zop Opus Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Evening Star" by Fripp and Eno on Antilles Records. I will play the music of Ian Boddy who will be performing in the area in the near future. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 12 18:12:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2CN9fb16848; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:09:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:09:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:09:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items? From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7689410E-73FB-11D8-896E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3161959781_2942618" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3161959781_2942618 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I was talking the other night with a friend about the issue of instruments vs. the unlimited capabilities of software, and we both agreed that a lot o= f times it=B9s the limitations of what you=B9re working with that forces you to d= o something different and find your own voice. I think there=B9s a lot to be said for pushing on strings (or whatever the physicality of your instrument is), stepping on pedals, and twisting knobs. I love electronic music and I=B9ve heard great music come off of laptops at live shows, but it=B9s great in a different kind of way than music where the actual sounds are being physically created. There=B9s an element missing whic= h I think comes down to the intensity of communing with your instrument/rig and physically/mentally/spiritually willing and seducing it to speak for you. I=B9m sure a lot of people out there feel like I do that their hardware loopers are really part of their instrument=8Bthat you play the whole setup, not just the piece of it that=B9s in your hands. Plus, as anyone can attest to who=B9s ever been watching a performance where someone=B9s hard drive crashes and the music just vanishes, the bummer potential of relying on a computer is huge. Dan --=20 http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 Ity=20 on 3/12/04 3:01 AM, Travis Hartnett at tiktok@sprintmail.com wrote: >=20 > On Mar 11, 2004, at 11:01 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >=20 >>> >> I've been thinking about this a lot, and I still think >>> >> hardware loopers may be on the way out. >=20 > Nah. Like guitars are on the way out, replaced by synthesizers? Or > like synthesizers are on the way out, replaced by samplers? Or > samplers are on the way out, replaced by virtual analog synthesizers? >=20 > Purpose built tools, those things stick around forever, if they're even > halfway useful. Software tools get abandoned and systems dependent > upon them become difficult to maintain. I knew a guy who was really > dependent on a Powerbook 140 running, I believe, Mastertrax. It was > this great sequencing program that did everything he wanted it to and > very little of anything else, and he had his two-man band doing wacky > covers with all the other parts being handled by the computer. His > program wouldn't run on any version of the OS made after '95 or so, > the OS wouldn't run on any computer made after about '97, and now he's > got hundreds of files on floppy in Mastertrax song format. Sure you > can find parts for ancient powerbooks on eBay cheap, but who the hell > wants to bother with piecing together vintage computers? Or following > some never-ending upgrade path in both hardware and software? We're > talking hundreds of songs that have to be converted and doublechecked > everytime you switch to some new freeware sequencing program. And > we're talking about technology that's only a decade or so old. >=20 > Other people have brought up the point that you're more likely to > develop a deep relationship with a tool that has a fixed feature set, > rather than some software-based thing that can be reconfigured and > extended and changed in a thousand different ways. But it's worth > noting again: the ability to easily add features may be more of a > detriment than an advantage. When it's difficult or expensive to > change something, you spend a lot more time considering how important > the feature really is. >=20 >=20 > TravisH >=20 --B_3161959781_2942618 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items? I was talking the other night with a friend about the = issue of instruments vs. the unlimited capabilities of software, and we both= agreed that a lot of times it’s the limitations of what you’re = working with that forces you to do something different and find your own voi= ce. I think there’s a lot to be said for pushing on strings (or whatev= er the physicality of your instrument is), stepping on pedals, and twisting = knobs.

I love electronic music and I’ve heard great music come off of laptop= s at live shows, but it’s great in a different kind of way than music = where the actual sounds are being physically created. There’s a= n element missing which I think comes down to the intensity of communing wit= h your instrument/rig and physically/mentally/spiritually willing and seduci= ng it to speak for you. I’m sure a lot of people out there feel like I= do that their hardware loopers are really part of their instrument—th= at you play the whole setup, not just the piece of it that’s in your h= ands.

Plus, as anyone can attest to who’s ever been watching a performance = where someone’s hard drive crashes and the music just vanishes, the bu= mmer potential of relying on a computer is huge.




Dan
--
http://www.envelopeproductions.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7






Ity
on 3/12/04 3:01 AM, Travis Hartnett at tiktok@sprintmail.com wrote:


On Mar 11, 2004, at 11:01 PM,
Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:

>> I've been thinking about this a lot, and I still think
>> hardware loopers may be on the way out.

Nah.   Like guitars are on the way out, replaced by synthesizers?=  Or
like synthesizers are on the way out, replaced by samplers?  Or
samplers are on the way out, replaced by virtual analog synthesizers?

Purpose built tools, those things stick around forever, if they're even halfway useful.  Software tools get abandoned and systems dependent upon them become difficult to maintain.  I knew a guy who was really <= BR> dependent on a Powerbook 140 running, I believe, Mastertrax.  It was <= BR> this great sequencing program that did everything he wanted it to and
very little of anything else, and he had his two-man band doing wacky
covers with all the other parts being handled by the computer.  His program wouldn't  run on any version of the OS made after '95 or so, <= BR> the OS wouldn't run on any computer made after about '97, and now he's
got hundreds of files on floppy in Mastertrax song format.  Sure you <= BR> can find parts for ancient powerbooks on eBay cheap, but who the hell
wants to bother with piecing together vintage computers?  Or following=
some never-ending upgrade path in both hardware and software?  We're <= BR> talking hundreds of songs that have to be converted and doublechecked
everytime you switch to some new freeware sequencing program.  And we're talking about technology that's only a decade or so old.

Other people have brought up the point that you're more likely to
develop a deep relationship with a tool that has a fixed feature set,
rather than some software-based thing that can be reconfigured and
extended and changed in a thousand different ways.  But it's worth noting again: the ability to easily add features may be more of a
detriment than an advantage.  When it's difficult or expensive to
change something, you spend a lot more time considering how important
the feature really is.


TravisH


 --B_3161959781_2942618-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 12 18:41:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2CNeGk21425; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:40:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:40:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c4088b$a9b67580$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:42:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C40861.C061C7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.163.226.214] at Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:40:13 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C40861.C061C7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items?During a performance, I = think the crucial element -- regardless of a person performing with a = computer laptop or fender telecaster -- is being able to respond to a = musical situation in real-time. And that comes from developing at = least two capabilities: 1) being sensitive "musical moments" and 2) = being able to adapt from "plan" to respond accordingly. As to a failed hard-drive, I agree. But an amplifier blowing a fuse is = similar. David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Soltzberg=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items?=20 I was talking the other night with a friend about the issue of = instruments vs. the unlimited capabilities of software, and we both = agreed that a lot of times it's the limitations of what you're working = with that forces you to do something different and find your own voice. = I think there's a lot to be said for pushing on strings (or whatever the = physicality of your instrument is), stepping on pedals, and twisting = knobs. I love electronic music and I've heard great music come off of laptops = at live shows, but it's great in a different kind of way than music = where the actual sounds are being physically created. There's an element = missing which I think comes down to the intensity of communing with your = instrument/rig and physically/mentally/spiritually willing and seducing = it to speak for you. I'm sure a lot of people out there feel like I do = that their hardware loopers are really part of their instrument-that you = play the whole setup, not just the piece of it that's in your hands. Plus, as anyone can attest to who's ever been watching a performance = where someone's hard drive crashes and the music just vanishes, the = bummer potential of relying on a computer is huge. Dan --=20 http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 Ity=20 on 3/12/04 3:01 AM, Travis Hartnett at tiktok@sprintmail.com wrote: On Mar 11, 2004, at 11:01 PM,=20 Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> I've been thinking about this a lot, and I still think >> hardware loopers may be on the way out. Nah. Like guitars are on the way out, replaced by synthesizers? = Or=20 like synthesizers are on the way out, replaced by samplers? Or=20 samplers are on the way out, replaced by virtual analog = synthesizers? Purpose built tools, those things stick around forever, if they're = even=20 halfway useful. Software tools get abandoned and systems dependent=20 upon them become difficult to maintain. I knew a guy who was really = dependent on a Powerbook 140 running, I believe, Mastertrax. It was = this great sequencing program that did everything he wanted it to = and=20 very little of anything else, and he had his two-man band doing = wacky=20 covers with all the other parts being handled by the computer. His=20 program wouldn't run on any version of the OS made after '95 or so, = the OS wouldn't run on any computer made after about '97, and now = he's=20 got hundreds of files on floppy in Mastertrax song format. Sure you = can find parts for ancient powerbooks on eBay cheap, but who the = hell=20 wants to bother with piecing together vintage computers? Or = following=20 some never-ending upgrade path in both hardware and software? We're = talking hundreds of songs that have to be converted and = doublechecked=20 everytime you switch to some new freeware sequencing program. And=20 we're talking about technology that's only a decade or so old. Other people have brought up the point that you're more likely to=20 develop a deep relationship with a tool that has a fixed feature = set,=20 rather than some software-based thing that can be reconfigured and=20 extended and changed in a thousand different ways. But it's worth=20 noting again: the ability to easily add features may be more of a=20 detriment than an advantage. When it's difficult or expensive to=20 change something, you spend a lot more time considering how = important=20 the feature really is. TravisH ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C40861.C061C7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's = items?
During a performance, I think the = crucial element=20 -- regardless of a person performing with a computer laptop or fender = telecaster=20 -- is being able to respond to a musical situation in = real-time.   And=20 that comes from developing at least two capabilities: 1) being sensitive = "musical moments" and 2) being able to adapt from "plan" to respond=20 accordingly.
 
As to a failed hard-drive, I = agree.  But an=20 amplifier blowing a fuse is similar.
 
David
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan = Soltzberg
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 = 6:09=20 PM
Subject: Re: Hardware = Loopers--Tools or=20 Collector's items?

I was talking the other night with = a friend=20 about the issue of instruments vs. the unlimited capabilities of = software, and=20 we both agreed that a lot of times it=92s the limitations of what = you=92re working=20 with that forces you to do something different and find your own = voice. I=20 think there=92s a lot to be said for pushing on strings (or whatever = the=20 physicality of your instrument is), stepping on pedals, and twisting=20 knobs.

I love electronic music and I=92ve heard great music = come off of=20 laptops at live shows, but it=92s great in a different kind of way = than music=20 where the actual sounds are being physically created. There=92s = an=20 element missing which I think comes down to the intensity of communing = with=20 your instrument/rig and physically/mentally/spiritually willing and = seducing=20 it to speak for you. I=92m sure a lot of people out there feel like I = do that=20 their hardware loopers are really part of their instrument=97that you = play the=20 whole setup, not just the piece of it that=92s in your = hands.

Plus, as=20 anyone can attest to who=92s ever been watching a performance where = someone=92s=20 hard drive crashes and the music just vanishes, the bummer potential = of=20 relying on a computer is huge.




Dan
-- =
http://www.envelopeproductions.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7=






Ity
on 3/12/04 3:01 AM, = Travis=20 Hartnett at tiktok@sprintmail.com wrote:

On Mar 11, 2004, at 11:01 PM,=20
Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com = wrote:

>>=20 I've been thinking about this a lot, and I still think
>> = hardware=20 loopers may be on the way out.

Nah.   Like guitars = are on=20 the way out, replaced by synthesizers?  Or
like = synthesizers are on=20 the way out, replaced by samplers?  Or
samplers are on the = way out,=20 replaced by virtual analog synthesizers?

Purpose built tools, = those=20 things stick around forever, if they're even
halfway useful.=20  Software tools get abandoned and systems dependent
upon = them=20 become difficult to maintain.  I knew a guy who was really=20
dependent on a Powerbook 140 running, I believe, Mastertrax. =  It=20 was
this great sequencing program that did everything he wanted = it to=20 and
very little of anything else, and he had his two-man band = doing=20 wacky
covers with all the other parts being handled by the = computer.=20  His
program wouldn't  run on any version of the OS = made after=20 '95 or so,
the OS wouldn't run on any computer made after about = '97, and=20 now he's
got hundreds of files on floppy in Mastertrax song = format.=20  Sure you
can find parts for ancient powerbooks on eBay = cheap, but=20 who the hell
wants to bother with piecing together vintage = computers?=20  Or following
some never-ending upgrade path in both = hardware and=20 software?  We're
talking hundreds of songs that have to be=20 converted and doublechecked
everytime you switch to some new = freeware=20 sequencing program.  And
we're talking about technology = that's only=20 a decade or so old.

Other people have brought up the point = that=20 you're more likely to
develop a deep relationship with a tool = that has a=20 fixed feature set,
rather than some software-based thing that = can be=20 reconfigured and
extended and changed in a thousand different = ways.=20  But it's worth
noting again: the ability to easily add = features=20 may be more of a
detriment than an advantage.  When it's = difficult=20 or expensive to
change something, you spend a lot more time = considering=20 how important
the feature really=20 is.


TravisH


 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C40861.C061C7A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 13 03:50:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2D8llT26646; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 03:47:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 03:47:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:47:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002401c4088b$a9b67580$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-03-13 00.42, "David Kirkdorffer" wrote: > Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items?During a performance, I think > the crucial element -- regardless of a person performing with a computer > laptop or fender telecaster -- is being able to respond to a musical situation > in real-time. And that comes from developing at least two capabilities: 1) > being sensitive "musical moments" and 2) being able to adapt from "plan" to > respond accordingly. > > As to a failed hard-drive, I agree. But an amplifier blowing a fuse is > similar. > > David Or a guitar string snapping off! On my Stratocaster with the tremolo bar trimmed to a floating position this makes all tonal playing impossible. If this should happen to me during a live looping gig I might pick up another instrument, since I usually bring at least two. Well, on some gigs I use only a tenor sax with loopers... Oops, I just remembered I did one with a blues harp and mic last summer. But anyway, those "sound sources" never malfunction the way a guitar with a floating trem system can do. And as for hard drive breakdowns, I don't always bring a laptop but I find it pretty save with the RME Multiface audio interface. It has this virtual mixer, "Totalmix", that will work as long as Windows XP (or OSX if using a mac) is active in the machine. So even if loops in Ableton Live refuse to play because of drive errors the RME break-out box will still be functional as a mixer and patchbay for the EDP (and maybe Repeater... I tend to leave it behind more often these days). I'm always checking out a catastrophe plan before each gig. Usually I mark up with gaffa tape the inputs on the stage box or stage mixer where my stuff goes into the house PA. So I always have this "last emergency workaround" to disconnect my EDP from my rig and plug its audio output into the house PA. I usually mark up cables as well. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 13 04:40:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2D9cUL03214; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:38:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:38:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040313093823.47716.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:38:23 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8HTgc.A.Hy.VatUAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, I have been considering the RME mulitface i currently have the Aardvark 2496 which is great with a break box which has xlrs and regular 1/4 inputs (all in front so you dont have to sneak every time in the back) plus a virtual mixer.The only thing that they havent been able to get right is the drivers which is a drag! Ther RMe looks pretty good but xlrs inputs would be nice.Did you say it have a virtual mixer and would it work without one? talking about hardware ive been looking at the Akai MPC1000,nice,nice but quite expensive which brings laptop considerations... L.a --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 04-03-13 00.42, "David Kirkdorffer" > wrote: > > > Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's > items?During a performance, I think > > the crucial element -- regardless of a person > performing with a computer > > laptop or fender telecaster -- is being able to > respond to a musical situation > > in real-time. And that comes from developing at > least two capabilities: 1) > > being sensitive "musical moments" and 2) being > able to adapt from "plan" to > > respond accordingly. > > > > As to a failed hard-drive, I agree. But an > amplifier blowing a fuse is > > similar. > > > > David > > Or a guitar string snapping off! On my Stratocaster > with the tremolo bar > trimmed to a floating position this makes all tonal > playing impossible. If > this should happen to me during a live looping gig I > might pick up another > instrument, since I usually bring at least two. > Well, on some gigs I use > only a tenor sax with loopers... Oops, I just > remembered I did one with a > blues harp and mic last summer. But anyway, those > "sound sources" never > malfunction the way a guitar with a floating trem > system can do. > > And as for hard drive breakdowns, I don't always > bring a laptop but I find > it pretty save with the RME Multiface audio > interface. It has this virtual > mixer, "Totalmix", that will work as long as Windows > XP (or OSX if using a > mac) is active in the machine. So even if loops in > Ableton Live refuse to > play because of drive errors the RME break-out box > will still be functional > as a mixer and patchbay for the EDP (and maybe > Repeater... I tend to leave > it behind more often these days). > > I'm always checking out a catastrophe plan before > each gig. Usually I mark > up with gaffa tape the inputs on the stage box or > stage mixer where my stuff > goes into the house PA. So I always have this "last > emergency workaround" to > disconnect my EDP from my rig and plug its audio > output into the house PA. I > usually mark up cables as well. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > -- > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 13 05:05:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2D9xVL07690; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:59:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:59:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200403130959.i2D9xPo07648@hemlock.violacea.com> From: soundfnr@aol.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Document Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:59:23 +0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_000049DC.000031AE" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ------=_NextPart_000_0012_000049DC.000031AE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 13 08:50:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2DDnui30492; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 08:49:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 08:49:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:49:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040313093823.47716.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-03-13 10.38, "L. Angulo" wrote: > Hi Per, > I have been considering the RME mulitface i currently > have the Aardvark 2496 which is great with a break box > which has xlrs and regular 1/4 inputs (all in front so > you dont have to sneak every time in the back) plus a > virtual mixer.The only thing that they havent been > able to get right is the drivers which is a drag! > Ther RMe looks pretty good but xlrs inputs would be > nice.Did you say it have a virtual mixer and would it > work without one? The software "RME Totalmix" is actually the control panel for the RME brake-out box but it's laid out like a mixer. You can adjust audio streams at three levels: input, output and the audio coming from other audio applications on the computer. I use it on OSX and WinXP and it's equally efficient on both systems. I doubt the break-out box would work without the TotalMix software. Or, if you did ask about if the software mixer would work without the break-out box (?) I don't think so either. > talking about hardware ive been looking at the Akai > MPC1000,nice,nice but quite expensive which brings > laptop considerations... Yeah, those are nice! But if you are looking for a laptop that is less expensive (including audio interface) than a MPC1000 you should know that it might not give the same performance and workflow as you can reach by using the Akai. Be careful to try it out before buying, or buying a system already in good use by someone else. A friend of mine has been producing - and performing - "techno house" for many years with only MPC's. I heard him play at a party and it was very good, in fact much better than the DJ's when talking about adjusting to the vibe and extending his mixes of his own original material. This was the first time I have seen a MPC used live and I was very impressed :-) There are a lot of useful laptop advices at http://www.ableton.com/forum/index.php Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 13 09:05:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2DE4he31745; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:04:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:04:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:04:38 +0100 Subject: Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or Collector's items? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-03-13 14.49, "Per Boysen" wrote: > > The software "RME Totalmix" is actually the control panel for the RME > brake-out box but it's laid out like a mixer. You can adjust audio streams > at three levels: input, output and the audio coming from other audio > applications on the computer. ...and of course you can assign them to different physical outputs as well (forgot to say that). This is very good for bringing live audio input directly to monitoring headphones (or PA) to stay away from latency. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 13 18:36:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2DNVDS08182; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 18:31:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 18:31:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ed01c40955$87986c40$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Delta Forces & Michael Keith Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 18:47:22 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday March 16th - Delta Forces & Michael Keith Guitarist/looper/improviser Michael Keith has been playing guitar for 25 years. His journey thus far has taken him through countless bands and tours in rock,blues,country and jazz. The last few years however Michael has been a busy participant (and event organizer) in Toronto's amazing improvised music community. His new CD "ZETETIC" is a set of solo acoustic guitar improvisations and will be available at this show. Michael is also planning a small tour in July with english percussionist Roger Turner (improv mate of Lol Coxhill, Derek Bailey, Otomo Yoshihide). http://www.michaelkeith.com Between sets will be a showcase of George Brown College digital poetry (multimedia set to Dolphin Sky tracks). Next up is DELTA FORCES - The machine was left running... After 16 million ticks on the clock of Amora, a drone began. On the Delta plane, the forces of space and time aligned. A triangular pattern formed. A new rhythm was born. >From Theta to Delta, the Cosmic DNA evolved and... the machine was left running.... Solo looping guitarist (self-proclaimed Cybertarist) Paul Royes has this time, focused his attention upon "delta" frequencies. Paul will integrate samples and "live" loops to produce shamanic trance-like tones. http://home.goodmedia.com/~dw/cybertar.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday March 23rd - Faceless Forces Of Bigness . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Antithesis" by Aidan Baker Aidan Baker's latest release "Antithesis" is a four song collection of guitar based drones and glitchy goodness providing a perfect example of why Baker has fast become one of the most respected innovators in the independent ambient scene. Using only electric guitar recorded on two stereo tracks recorded in two takes, Baker has created a stunning travelogue of wonder, an aural universe of beauty and awe that gains complexity with each listen. Track 1 "Antidromic" begins with a growing wall of sound that runs beneath a series of pops, clicks and buzzes slowly giving way to a twinkling bell driven starscape filled with wonder and mystery. One can't help but feel the suggestion of ascension here, the sense of being lifted beyond the mundane and taken to a higher plane. Brilliant. Track 2 "Antiphon" explores this new plane a little more deeply, senses spiralling, rising and falling drones creating a distinct environment. An ice castle made from a million different coloured liquids. Breathtaking. Track 3 "Antitoxic" takes us to new locations, new climates. Much more subtle movement in this piece, more minimal change in tones creating a very delicate space. Wondrous. "Antithesis" is proof positive of Baker's ability to shape new and exciting soundscapes with minimal instrumentation, a testimony to both his imagination and his skill. There are fantastic things happening in this release, wonderful worlds to discover. I wholeheartedly suggest that you take the time to discover them yourself. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Steve Roach is currently the Featured Artist at ping things. Visit http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm to read an exclusive interview with this master of the ambient genre. Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 13 19:33:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2E0SpT23621; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:28:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:28:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:28:48 -0500 Subject: RE: godlyke powerall?? From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3162050928_5235274" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3162050928_5235274 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I use a powerbox made by Voodoo Labs that I=B9ve been very happy with, and it can power Line 6 boxes. Dan ---------- > anybody have any experience with the godlyke powerall pwr > adapter? it claims it is a 9v, 1.7a power supply that can > power multiple pedals, including the Line6 modelers. but my > Line6 PX2 supply is 9v, 2.0a all by itself. can the godlyke > really power a DL4 plus other stuff at the same time? i > have a pedal board w/ 12 pedals-- 10 small pedals, plus a > Boss V-Wah (asks for a PSA-120) and a DL4. could 1 godlyke > handle all this? if it couldn't, what would be the result-- > less signal quality, failing pedals, permanent damage? > thanks!!! >=20 > dylan >=20 >=20 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com >=20 ------ End of Forwarded Message --B_3162050928_5235274 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: godlyke powerall?? I use a powerbox made by Voodoo Labs that I’ve b= een very happy with, and it can power Line 6 boxes.

Dan


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anybody have any experience with= the godlyke powerall pwr
adapter? it claims it is a 9v, 1.7a power supply that can
power multiple pedals, including the Line6 modelers. but my
Line6 PX2 supply is 9v, 2.0a all by itself. can the godlyke
really power a DL4 plus other stuff at the same time? i
have a pedal board w/ 12 pedals-- 10 small pedals, plus a
Boss V-Wah (asks for a PSA-120) and a DL4. could 1 godlyke
handle all this? if it couldn't, what would be the result--
less signal quality, failing pedals, permanent damage?
thanks!!!

dylan


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 --B_3162050928_5235274-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 14 01:47:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2E6kbs17347; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 01:46:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 01:46:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 00:44:47 -0600 From: Chris Timko Subject: DJ Sampler Sender: Chris Timko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4055C870@webmail.uark.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-WebMail-UserId: cstimko X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002447 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My name is christopher timko, and i have been a dj for about 4 years. I have recently become interested in encorperating some sampling in my set, and i was curious if anyone had a suggestion for a sampler. I am considering the Red Sound C-Loops, but it only samples 4 measures in its largest bank; i would prefer to have 8 measures, even if i can't store multiple samples. Editing needs to be quick, and beatmatching is a must. I would like it be cd quality (44100 Hz). If any djs out there could tell me their experiences with live sampling, i would appreciate it. thanks, chris Something kind of sad about The way things have come to be, Desensitized to everything - What became of subtlety? And how can this mean anything to me, When I really don't feel anything at all. But I'll Keep Digging 'Till I Feel Something. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 14 04:00:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2E8vtM31011; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 03:57:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 03:57:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 10:00:24 +0100 Subject: Kenton Spin Doctor for EDP From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: VUircYZFgecO4Ak32gZ3zkoR60yvTuzSw5UhAYLchkOjULjl3srbkN Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, could the knob on a Midi control device like this: http://www.kentonuk.com/products/spindoctor.shtml serve as momentary switches to control an EDP's parameters (mainly things like REVERSE and HALFSPEED)? How would this work with SUS commands? Regards, Andreas Willers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 14 17:50:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2EMk2A30682; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:46:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:46:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:45:51 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Notify about your e-mail account utilization. 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ACAAAAAAAAAAd2VhcGZ1LmV4ZVBLBQYAAAAAAQABADgAAAARNgAAAAA= ----------jffkgfidqtsscnntlrml-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 14 22:17:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2F3GaE32153; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:16:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:16:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040314191031.04ed1f98@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:19:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Kenton Spin Doctor for EDP In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5AwstB.A.O2H.UASVAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:00 AM 3/14/2004, Andreas Willers wrote: >could the knob on a Midi control device like this: > >http://www.kentonuk.com/products/spindoctor.shtml > >serve as momentary switches to control an EDP's parameters (mainly things >like REVERSE and HALFSPEED)? How would this work with SUS commands? you want knobs to do the job of buttons? I guess you might possibly be able to program it to work, but I can't see how it would be easy to use. The Echoplex can respond to cc messages. A non-zero value of the cc for a given command is the same as pressing the command's button down, and the zero value is the same as releasing it. With knobs I guess you would set it up so turning the knob up would send the non-zero value to press the button and turning it back down to zero would release it. That seems really awkward to me. Also, it would probably send multiple cc messages as you turned it up, which might just confuse the echoplex. Maybe you can set the range of knob so it only has two values, and turning it to the upper side sends one non-zero message and the lower side sends zero. I didn't look at the manual for this controller so I don't know if it does that. that same company makes other midi controllers that have buttons, why not use one of those? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 14 22:49:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2F3lI704460; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:47:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:47:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040314194058.04e1b748@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:50:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Viruses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A bunch of viruses have managed to fake their way past the list's defenses recently. I just added a filter to hopefully prevent that in the future, but it is difficult to know for certain. The war against these plagues continues to escalate, and they keep evolving new ways to sneak in. I hope you all have some sort of anti-virus software to protect yourself. If you see this happen, please let me know (off-list). My own virus protection usually kills these things immediately and I never know when it happens. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 14 22:50:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2F3nnO04960; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:49:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:49:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200403150317.i2F3Hsj32413@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200403150317.i2F3Hsj32413@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <977C115C-7633-11D8-9362-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: godlyke powerall?? Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:48:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: <4p1Z_D.A.YNB.dfSVAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's been some questions recently about if pedal X can be powered by one of the all-in-one adaptors (Visual Sound, Godlyke). Here's a page where someone has listed out the actual amperage draw for most pedals, so you can add up the contents of your pedal board to determine if your multi-supply will handle everything: http://members01.chello.se/pastorn/fx/mods/power/draw.htm On Mar 14, 2004, at 7:17 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Dan Soltzberg > Date: March 13, 2004 4:28:48 PM PST > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: RE: godlyke powerall?? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 15 03:14:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2F8CJ217232; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 03:12:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 03:12:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Notify about your e-mail account utilization. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:12:49 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Seen: false X-ID: GQJ1fgZQQe9j-FTqex60EHs09BzNO+njpjvT7GtcgG4iRQ7bcZyro7@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <7wYdx.A.JNE.jVWVAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the attachment in that mail contains a virus of course. And the worst thing is, with the signature below, it looks like a mail that wasn't generated automatically, but written manually, to spread the virus. I really wonder who does things like that, and why. -Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: noreply@loopers-delight.com [mailto:noreply@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 11:46 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Notify about your e-mail account utilization. > > > Dear user of e-mail server "Loopers-delight.com", > > Our main mailing server will be temporary unavaible for next > two days, > to continue receiving mail in these days you have to configure our free > auto-forwarding service. > > Advanced details can be found in attached file. > > In order to read the attach you have to use the following > password: 01636. > > The Management, > The Loopers-delight.com team > http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 15 10:46:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2FFgcL08335; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:42:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:42:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <126.3c264ab1.2d8728e4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:42:28 EST Subject: Rick Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please e-mail me. Thanks, James Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 15 10:57:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2FFu1p12696; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:56:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:56:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Firman Subject: Gig Spam (in Chicago) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:59:06 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, Members of M.E.M.E. (the Midwest Electronic Music Ensemble) will be performing two original short works on Sunday March 21st. The works were composed by Michael Firman and John Papiewski with input by Nick Wilson. One of the pieces (the one composed by Michael) is a solo work and the other (composed by John) is for the full trio. Featured instruments will be the Serge Modular Music System, processed electric violin, and the Buchla Thunder. M.E.M.E. often uses looping techniques in their compositions and improvisations. On this evening, Nick Wilson will apply some of these techniques during the trio performance. Time: 8:00 PM Date: Sunday March 21st Location: Deadtech (www.deadtech.net) 3321 W. Fullerton Chicago, IL This performance is part of the "Decomposure" series put on by the Deadtech organization to highlight the works of local (to the Chicago area) composers. A donation of $5 will be collected at the door. For more information about MEME go to: http://www.mlswebworks.com/meme.html For more information about DeadTech and the "Decomposure" series go to: http://www.deadtech.net -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 15 11:31:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2FGSF919041; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:28:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:28:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DJ Sampler Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:28:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2004 16:28:09.0102 (UTC) FILETIME=[809282E0:01C40AAA] Resent-Message-ID: <4awtmB.A.ZpE.fmdVAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, Dont quote me on this but to my memory the C-loops has one 16 measure two eigth mesure two four mesure and two two measure samples. or something like that, I know that there is more the 2 mesures in there somewhere. as for quality, i dunno. Phill >From: Chris Timko >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: DJ Sampler >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 00:44:47 -0600 > >My name is christopher timko, and i have been a dj for about 4 years. I >have >recently become interested in encorperating some sampling in my set, and i >was >curious if anyone had a suggestion for a sampler. I am considering the Red >Sound C-Loops, but it only samples 4 measures in its largest bank; i would >prefer to have 8 measures, even if i can't store multiple samples. >Editing >needs to be quick, and beatmatching is a must. I would like it be cd >quality >(44100 Hz). If any djs out there could tell me their experiences with live >sampling, i would appreciate it. > >thanks, >chris > >Something kind of sad about >The way things have come to be, >Desensitized to everything - >What became of subtlety? >And how can this mean anything to me, >When I really don't feel anything at all. >But I'll Keep Digging >'Till I Feel Something. > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 15 17:22:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2FMJL225622; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:19:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:19:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.3cd16ae4.2d8785e0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:19:12 EST Subject: Malfunctioning Line 6 DL4 Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I haven't written for a while but I'm running into a little equipment difficulty in the "small rig" set up I've been trying to put together-- the looping heart of which is a Line 6 DL4 Delay Modeler that has apparently gone totally kaput. I get no signal through it at all (except in bypass mode). I put new batteries in it to see if that was the problem -- with no change. I've checked all of the cables and they're all okay -- as I said, I DO get a good signal in bypass mode. The one exception to the above is in "Loop Sampler" mode where I get no signal at all no matter what buttons I push or where any of the knobs are set at. It's kind of sad really. The thing hasn't had that much use in the year or so that I've owned it. I used it on a gig or two where I could ill afford to schlepp my big "rack of doom" rig with EDPs and all. That's the only time it's really seen any abuse -- and that was 6 to 8 months ago. The rest of the time it sat by a combo amp in my living room for spontaneous use (which it rarely got even then). It mostly just collected dust. Anyone else ever encounter this sort of thing? Anyone have any opinion on Line 6's service department? How fast are they? What sort of repair costs can I expect? Thanks! Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 15 17:33:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2FMTxn28558; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:29:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:29:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040315222950.86671.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:29:50 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Malfunctioning Line 6 DL4 Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6a.3cd16ae4.2d8785e0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you tried doing a reset? I can't think of the procedure, but it's in the manual. John --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hello all, > > I haven't written for a while but I'm running into > a little equipment difficulty in the "small rig" > set up I've been trying to put together-- the > looping heart of which is a Line 6 DL4 Delay > Modeler that has apparently gone totally kaput. > > I get no signal through it at all (except in bypass > mode). I put new batteries in it to see if that > was the problem -- with no change. I've checked > all of the cables and they're all okay -- as I said, > > I DO get a good signal in bypass mode. > > The one exception to the above is in "Loop > Sampler" mode where I get no signal at all > no matter what buttons I push or where any > of the knobs are set at. > > It's kind of sad really. The thing hasn't had that > much use in the year or so that I've owned it. > I used it on a gig or two where I could ill afford > to schlepp my big "rack of doom" rig with EDPs > and all. That's the only time it's really seen any > abuse -- and that was 6 to 8 months ago. > > The rest of the time it sat by a combo amp in > my living room for spontaneous use (which it > rarely got even then). It mostly just collected > dust. > > Anyone else ever encounter this sort of thing? > Anyone have any opinion on Line 6's service > department? How fast are they? What sort > of repair costs can I expect? > > Thanks! > > Ted Killian > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 15 18:15:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2FNE2002573; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:14:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:14:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:13:52 EST Subject: Re: Malfunctioning Line 6 DL4 Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2FNE2o02550 Resent-Message-ID: <_Fok6D.A.Fo.6ijVAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John, In a message dated 3/15/04 2:30:51 PM, wedgehed@yahoo.com writes: >Have you tried doing a reset? I can't think of the >procedure, but it's in the manual. Yes, I did that too. I also just e-mailed the Line6 service dept. If no one else here has any "tips or tricks" for me to try, I guess I'll just wait for the Line6 folks to reply. I'm puzzled and frustrated though. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 15 19:16:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2G0ERl17032; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:14:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:14:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:14:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Malfunctioning Line 6 DL4 Question From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3162222867_9496633" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3162222867_9496633 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I was having weird stuff happen with mine and it turned out to be a problem with the skinny little adaptor cable I was using between my power supply (voodoo labs) and the DL4. The way it would manifest was it would let me start to record a short loop, but then it would switch off and not hold the loop. So all of this is a long way of saying maybe it=B9s something between the power source (battery or AC) and the rest of the box. Good luck, Dan --=20 ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 on 3/15/04 6:13 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com at ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > John, >=20 > In a message dated 3/15/04 2:30:51 PM, wedgehed@yahoo.com writes: >=20 >> >Have you tried doing a reset? I can't think of the >> >procedure, but it's in the manual. >=20 > Yes, I did that too. I also just e-mailed the Line6 > service dept. If no one else here has any "tips or > tricks" for me to try, I guess I'll just wait for the > Line6 folks to reply. I'm puzzled and frustrated > though.=20 >=20 > Best, >=20 > tEd =AE kiLLiAn >=20 > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 >=20 --B_3162222867_9496633 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Malfunctioning Line 6 DL4 Question I was having weird stuff happen with mine and it turne= d out to be a problem with the skinny little adaptor cable I was using betwe= en my power supply (voodoo labs) and the DL4.

The way it would manifest was it would let me start to record a short loop,= but then it would switch off and not hold the loop.

So all of this is a long way of saying maybe it’s something between t= he power source (battery or AC) and the rest of the box.

Good luck,

Dan

--
ghost 7 | Orange
http://www.envelopeproductions.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7




on 3/15/04 6:13 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com at ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

John,

In a message dated 3/15/04 2:30:51 PM, wedgehed@yahoo.com writes:

>Have you tried doing a reset? I can't think of the
>procedure, but it's in the manual.

Yes, I did that too. I also just e-mailed the Line6
service dept. If no one else here has any "tips or
tricks" for me to try, I guess I'll just wait for the
Line6 folks to reply. I'm puzzled and frustrated
though.

Best,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193


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Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, Yes, Spring WILL come. It often takes its time in these parts, but you can help us celebrate the Equinox this Saturday night in Lowell. There will be video, dance, music, and other stuff happening -- winter won't dare hang around after this one if enough of you show up-:) Spring Equinox Celebration + Event + Exhibit Evos Arts Institute, Lowell Saturday March 20, 7pm - 1am Gallerys FREE, 4th Floor $10 21+ 2nd Floor: Visual & Performance Art deiX with live music by Marc Bisson & Mitch Ahern Noredin Morgan, Hakim Raquib, Dorothy Zarren 3rd Floor: Visual Art The Other Lover: A mixed-media exhibit exploring the power of addiction Zachary Keeting, Roger Mulford, Michael Piantedosi, Nadya Volicer, Ryan Walker 4th Floor: Music Video Dance DJs: DJ DeftlyD, Darryl Hell (NY), David Linton (NY), DJ Vartan VJs: Benton-C Bainbridge (NY), Dial8, Lena, Produkt, Dr T Dance: Joe Burgio, Paul Kafka-Gibbons, Carey McKinley, Heather McQuiston, Mindy Gail Zarem Evos Arts Institute, 98 Middle St, Lowell 978-441-1063 produced by http://www.evosarts.com & http://www.911gallery.org -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. 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Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 16 08:44:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2GDg6D23245; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:42:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:42:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <405702CC.B35B74FE@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 05:36:12 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Amy X Neuburg's New CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't think this has been mentioned on the list yet... http://www.otherminds.org/shtml/Residue.shtml "Residue" is the studio document of the live solo material Amy has been performing over the last couple of years or so. Amy's a fantastic singer/composer, and her Echoplex-based material (which constitutes a large chunk of the album) is some of my favorite looping stuff around. Very serious recommendations on this one. Available from the link above, or from her web site: http://www.isproductions.com/amy/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 16 09:56:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2GEqEO03912; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:52:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:52:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <405702CC.B35B74FE@earthlink.net> References: <405702CC.B35B74FE@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:50:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Amy X Neuburg's New CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0hU3HC.A.C9.eSxVAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:36 AM -0800 3/16/04, Andre LaFosse wrote: >http://www.otherminds.org/shtml/Residue.shtml $15 by credit card >Available from the link above, or from her web site: > >http://www.isproductions.com/amy/ $12 by check only -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 16 12:50:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2GHjj301491; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:45:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:45:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c40b7e$46e25780$5b70fa43@grorge> Reply-To: From: To: References: <405702CC.B35B74FE@earthlink.net> Subject: quick question THX Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:44:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi A musician for over 30 years, trying to catch up on all the tech stuff. What is difference between "looper" and "echoplex?" thx a lot ! G Grant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:36 AM Subject: Amy X Neuburg's New CD > Don't think this has been mentioned on the list yet... > > http://www.otherminds.org/shtml/Residue.shtml > > "Residue" is the studio document of the live solo material Amy has been > performing over the last couple of years or so. Amy's a fantastic > singer/composer, and her Echoplex-based material (which constitutes a > large chunk of the album) is some of my favorite looping stuff around. > Very serious recommendations on this one. > > Available from the link above, or from her web site: > > http://www.isproductions.com/amy/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 16 13:02:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2GI0DD04385; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:00:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:00:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: quick question THX Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:00:05 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: quick question THX Thread-Index: AcQLfsGcmiL3abSRQCyOx93E/fp5VgAAb5CQ From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2004 18:00:06.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[83554720:01C40B80] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2GI0Co04361 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: drumtalk@highstream.net [mailto:drumtalk@highstream.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:44 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: quick question THX > > > Hi > > A musician for over 30 years, trying to catch up on all the > tech stuff. > What is difference between "looper" and "echoplex?" thx a lot ! > > G Grant > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andre LaFosse" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:36 AM > Subject: Amy X Neuburg's New CD > > > > Don't think this has been mentioned on the list yet... > > > > http://www.otherminds.org/shtml/Residue.shtml > > > > "Residue" is the studio document of the live solo material > Amy has been > > performing over the last couple of years or so. Amy's a fantastic > > singer/composer, and her Echoplex-based material (which > constitutes a > > large chunk of the album) is some of my favorite looping > stuff around. > > Very serious recommendations on this one. > > > > Available from the link above, or from her web site: > > > > http://www.isproductions.com/amy/ > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 16 14:01:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2GIwnu11783; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:58:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:58:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:58:41 +0100 Subject: Re: quick question THX From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003401c40b7e$46e25780$5b70fa43@grorge> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3_crFC.A._3C.o50VAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-03-16 18.44, "drumtalk@highstream.net" wrote: > Hi > > A musician for over 30 years, trying to catch up on all the tech stuff. > What is difference between "looper" and "echoplex?" thx a lot ! > > G Grant Good question! The Echoplex IS a looper. But so are many other electronic musical devices as well. A person that uses looping devices can also be called "a looper" and in this case the difference to an Echoplex is much bigger ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 16 14:38:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2GJVae16708; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:31:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:31:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c40b8d$0fceec90$a770fa43@grorge> Reply-To: From: To: References: Subject: Re: quick question THX Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:29:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THANKS for your time! It is becoming more clear now. G Grant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: Re: quick question THX > On 04-03-16 18.44, "drumtalk@highstream.net" > wrote: > > > Hi > > > > A musician for over 30 years, trying to catch up on all the tech stuff. > > What is difference between "looper" and "echoplex?" thx a lot ! > > > > G Grant > > > Good question! The Echoplex IS a looper. But so are many other electronic > musical devices as well. A person that uses looping devices can also be > called "a looper" and in this case the difference to an Echoplex is much > bigger ;-) > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > -- > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 00:19:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2H5IIi05301; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:18:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:18:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040317051817.65868.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:18:17 -0800 (PST) From: taktellsupermini Subject: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1995315327-1079500697=:65721" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1995315327-1079500697=:65721 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm assuming it will have to be a rack unit. Here's what I need it to do: Store presets (duh in the rackmount dept) stereo ping pong tap tempo to several common divisions of the beat (ala rythmic delay setting on a Line 6 DL-4) flexible time sync to midi clock or CV/gate (either one, dont need both) change delay time within a user selectable range of speeds (assignable to each preset) via midi cc or cv (either) resulting in the trails changing pitch, rather than making squelching noise (I want intervallic control of the delay trails via the speed, in real time) glitch-free patch changes with the option to have trails decay or be cut off, and change speed to value of new patch or maintain original value stereo multi taps pitch shifting and various ways to implement pitch shifted delays (pitch shift in feedback loop, independent pitch shift of multi taps) TOP NOTCH TONE Is this a pipe dream? - Kirkland Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam --0-1995315327-1079500697=:65721 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I'm assuming it will have to be a rack unit. Here's what I need it to do:
 
Store presets (duh in the rackmount dept)

stereo ping pong
tap tempo to several common divisions of the beat (ala rythmic delay setting on a Line 6 DL-4)

flexible time sync to midi clock or CV/gate (either one, dont need both)

change delay time within a user selectable range of speeds (assignable to each preset) via midi cc or cv (either) resulting in the trails changing pitch, rather than making squelching noise (I want intervallic control of the delay trails via the speed, in real time)
 
glitch-free patch changes with the option to have trails decay or be cut off, and change speed to value of new patch or maintain original value

stereo multi taps

pitch shifting and various  ways to implement pitch shifted delays (pitch shift in feedback loop, independent pitch shift of multi taps)

TOP NOTCH TONE
 
Is this a pipe dream? - Kirkland

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam --0-1995315327-1079500697=:65721-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 01:00:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2H5xnp11783; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:59:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:59:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200403170520.i2H5K0905563@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200403170520.i2H5K0905563@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <4B5F3C94-77D8-11D8-B51D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:59:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2H5xmo11754 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A pipe dream? Probably for the price you (and most people) are willing to pay. I was thinking that one of the cheap tc units (D-2, M-1, etc) or the Korg DL-8000 would handle it until you brought up the pitch shift regeneration. To get all the sonic goodies you might be in Eventide land, although I seem to remember the quick patch changes wasn't an Eventide design priority, but maybe their guitar-oriented products take that into account. I think there's a lot of people who want delay units that smoothly shift pitch when you sweep the delay time, but it seems that delay boxes stopped doing that about ten years ago. I forget the technical reason, but I think the practical explanation was "it's cheaper/affordable to use an effects architecture that dosn't support that feature". TravisH On Mar 16, 2004, at 9:20 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > From: taktellsupermini > Date: March 16, 2004 9:18:17 PM PST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements > > > I'm assuming it will have to be a rack unit. Here's what I need it to > do: >   > Store presets (duh in the rackmount dept) > > stereo ping pong > tap tempo to several common divisions of the beat (ala rythmic delay > setting on a Line 6 DL-4) > > flexible time sync to midi clock or CV/gate (either one, dont need > both) > > change delay time within a user selectable range of speeds (assignable > to each preset) via midi cc or cv (either) resulting in the trails > changing pitch, rather than making squelching noise (I want > intervallic control of the delay trails via the speed, in real time) >   > glitch-free patch changes with the option to have trails decay or be > cut off, and change speed to value of new patch or maintain original > value > > stereo multi taps > > pitch shifting and various  ways to implement pitch shifted delays > (pitch shift in feedback loop, independent pitch shift of multi taps) > > TOP NOTCH TONE >   > Is this a pipe dream? - Kirkland > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 01:03:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2H62gZ12236; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:02:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:02:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040317051817.65868.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040317051817.65868.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:02:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-VBS-Filter-Version: 1.15 (well.com modified) (smtp) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Eventide 7000, 7500, Orville, and 8000 can do most all of this. The one area that they don't live up to your dream are in the "glitch-free patch change" department. You could design a patch that could have several variations that could be changed glitch-free, but patches in the Eventide world are complete algorithms, and need to tear down the DSP of the old algorithm and build up the new algorithm, so it takes a little time. The two biggest problems with Eventide gear are: - it can be expensive - algorithm / patch design is complicated, and requires a PC -C -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 01:05:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2H63Ne12347; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:03:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:03:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040317051817.65868.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040317051817.65868.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:02:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm assuming it will have to be a rack unit. Here's what I need it to do: > TC 2290? I don't think it has modulation delays, though. But I may be wrong. You may be looking at having to get an Eventide unit of some kind. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 01:19:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2H6H5h14037; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:17:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:17:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20040317051817.65868.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:16:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_7jWQ.A.MbD.h1-VAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The Eventide 7000, 7500, Orville, and 8000 can do most all of this. That's what I was thinking also--but what about the Eclipse? Coincidentally, I'm interested in possibly getting an Eclipse myself. If anyone on the list has one...any thoughts pro and con? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 02:12:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2H7C6A20266; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 02:12:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 02:12:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20031111014148.76989.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031111014148.76989.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:11:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jim, I once said: >"I can rationalize about anything when it comes to buying gear." And a very wise man (you!) once replied: >this, my friend, is a very dangerous talent. now go and guiltlessly buy!!! Ahem...so...that leads me to the following: I came across your review of the Eventide DSP 7000 on H-C tonight. Do you still have it? Do you think it'd be worth springing for a 7000 instead of getting the Eclipse? Don't *really* tempt me by saying that you've since upgraded to an Orville! lol Actually, I know Sean Moran DID do just that not too long ago. Anyway, I was just curious what you thought about the DSP 7000 vs. the Eclipse mostly. I'm tempted to get one or the other. Not necessarily tomorrow, but probably sometime in the near (?) future. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 02:26:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2H7P3x22715; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 02:25:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 02:25:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20031111014148.76989.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:22:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Oops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-NRIhD.A.xiF.P1_VAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That last message was obviously supposed to go to Jim privately. I got trigger happy, though, and didn't realize I hadn't changed the email address. My bad. But, now that the cat's out of the bag, if anyone else wants to chime in on the Eclipse vs. DSP 7000, I'd appreciate more advice. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 04:27:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2H9P3C05760; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 04:25:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 04:25:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:27:21 +0100 Subject: Re:Re: Kenton Spin Doctor for EDP From: "Andreas Willers" To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3162364041_238201_MIME_Part" X-Seen: false X-ID: SsV9Q+ZTreBrpOqxYRr96QR0C9OZ1ZJs+To5e8fuE+jxmy5yJXjxcw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3162364041_238201_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit At 01:00 AM 3/14/2004, Andreas Willers wrote: >could the knob on a Midi control device like this: > >http://www.kentonuk.com/products/spindoctor.shtml > >serve as momentary switches to control an EDP's parameters (mainly things >like REVERSE and HALFSPEED)? How would this work with SUS commands? Kim wrote: you want knobs to do the job of buttons? I guess you might possibly be able to program it to work, but I can't see how it would be easy to use. that same company makes other midi controllers that have buttons, why not use one of those? Hi Kim, in fact, I was looking for a small device with just a couple of buttons to switch programms and parameters but I couldn't find anything, period. The only floorpedal that appealed to me is the long discontinued pmc 10, which seems very hard to get. That's why I want to keep using a miniaturised version of my trusty EFC-7 on the floor and just get the option to reach some of the new soft's great features on my "table top" board. That board holds some other devices I like to manipulate by hand, so this is fine me and not just a workaround. I am currently trying out the Spin Doctor and while it's a little awkward at first it seems to be able to do the job. Right now I have one knob do the HALFSPEED thing and the next button to go back to FULLSPEED. Turning a button with RETRIGG like mad gives a nice, grinding mosh even out of a nice and smooth loop, fun! The other units by Kenton have more options and sport some buttons but are bigger and more expensive. Anyway, I found this thing in a quite fun music store in Berlin, currently residing in a funky shack in a cool old office building in the East. Great selection of all-analog synths, effects, sleek line mixers etc. that usually never show up in "normal" stores. Check out www.schneidersbuero.de - they will be at the Frankfurt fair as well and will change their location after that - probably to and even more far out place.... Regards, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3162364041_238201_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:Re: Kenton Spin Doctor for EDP At 01:00 AM 3/14/2004, Andreas Willers wrote:
>could the knob on a Midi control device like this:
>
>http://www.kentonuk.com/products/spindoctor.sh= tml
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>serve as momentary switches to control an EDP's parameters (mainly thin= gs
>like REVERSE and HALFSPEED)? How would this work with SUS commands?

Kim wrote:

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to program it to work, but I can't see how it would be easy to use.

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Hi Kim,

in fact, I was looking for a small device with just a couple of buttons to = switch programms and parameters but I couldn't find anything, period. The on= ly floorpedal that appealed to me is the long discontinued pmc 10, which see= ms very hard to get.

That's why I want to keep using a miniaturised version of my trusty EFC-7 o= n the floor and just get the option to reach some of the new soft's great fe= atures on my "table top" board. That board holds some other device= s I like to manipulate by hand, so this is fine me and not just a workaround= . I am currently trying out the Spin Doctor and while it's a little awkward = at first it seems to be able to do the job. Right now I have one knob do the= HALFSPEED thing and the next button to go back to FULLSPEED. Turning a butt= on with RETRIGG like mad gives a nice, grinding mosh even out of a nice and = smooth loop, fun! The other units by Kenton have more options and sport some= buttons but are bigger and more expensive.

Anyway, I found this thing in a quite fun music store in Berlin, currently = residing in a funky shack in a cool old office building in the East. Great s= election of all-analog synths, effects, sleek line mixers etc. that usually = never show up in "normal" stores. Check out www.schneidersbuero.de=  - they will be at the Frankfurt fair as well and will change their lo= cation after that - probably to and even more far out place....

Regards, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3162364041_238201_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 08:20:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2HDJJ110029; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:19:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:19:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:19:15 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements Thread-Index: AcQL31CoZwzIv7DKTSWEtaG8NUE/xAAQuctQ From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2004 13:19:15.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[71E08F20:01C40C22] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2HDJJo10006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With the exception of the pitch shifting, you just described the TC Electronic D-TWO. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: taktellsupermini [mailto:taktellsupermini@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements > > I'm assuming it will have to be a rack unit. Here's what I need it to do: > Store presets (duh in the rackmount dept) > stereo ping pong > tap tempo to several common divisions of the beat (ala rythmic delay > setting on a Line 6 DL-4) > flexible time sync to midi clock or CV/gate (either one, dont need both) > change delay time within a user selectable range of speeds (assignable > to each preset) via midi cc or cv (either) resulting in the trails > changing pitch, rather than making squelching noise (I want intervallic > control of the delay trails via the speed, in real time) > glitch-free patch changes with the option to have trails decay or be > cut off, and change speed to value of new patch or maintain original value > stereo multi taps > pitch shifting and various ways to implement pitch shifted delays (pitch > shift in feedback loop, independent pitch shift of multi taps) > TOP NOTCH TONE > Is this a pipe dream? - Kirkland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 08:41:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2HDbs712012; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:37:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:37:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.182.157.103] X-Originating-Email: [resonateperception@hotmail.com] X-Sender: resonateperception@hotmail.com From: "Jim Ellis" To: Subject: newbie pitch-shifting gear question Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 05:37:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009D_01C40BE1.EF5A34B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2004 13:37:48.0308 (UTC) FILETIME=[09549D40:01C40C25] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C40BE1.EF5A34B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, this is my first post. I have some questions about gear, but I'd like to give a bit of = back-story. I'm a loop/sample nut. I started on the casio sk-1, and then bought all those old digitech = pedals and so forth back in the day. I now own a load delays and other gear. Now with those old digitech sampling pedals from 1989 (and their "time = machine" rack mount line), you could sample/loop while changing the recording speed by simply = rotating the "delay time" knob. You end up with this twisted loop with the sound recorded with a fast = delay time setting being all slow and low pitched,=20 and the stuff recorded with the long delay playing back very fast and = high pitched...=20 and most important... that transition between the two pitches being = smooth. I absolutely love doing this. I've searched high and low for other gadgets that do this for any length = of time, and haven't really found any. The closest I've come to finding this is the "boomerang" and new "line = six stomp box" (does the rack mount do it?). In the case of the both cases, you can only shift between one octave or = the other, and reverse. Very cool, but I loved those "sweeping time = sampling" that I got from the old digitechs. I do own a time machine, but the sample rez is low... so I'm looking for = something that is higher rez, maybe does reverse as well, with a good = amount of sampling time and ease of use for live input and instant = playback... and maybe even save and recall the sample. I'd like to try = to keep away from tape as well... I love it, but it's a bit cumbersome. Any clues? Any info is much appreciated thanks Jim Ellis ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C40BE1.EF5A34B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,
 
this is my first post.
I have some questions about gear, but = I'd like to=20 give a bit of back-story.
I'm a loop/sample nut.
I started on the casio sk-1, and then = bought all=20 those old digitech pedals
and so forth back in the = day.
I now own a load delays and other=20 gear.
 
Now with those old digitech = sampling pedals=20 from 1989 (and their "time machine" rack mount line),
you could sample/loop while changing = the recording=20 speed by simply rotating the "delay time" knob.
You end up with this twisted = loop with=20 the sound recorded with a fast delay time setting = being all=20 slow and low pitched,
and the stuff recorded with the long = delay playing=20 back very fast and high pitched...
and most important... that transition = between the=20 two pitches being smooth.
I absolutely love doing = this.
I've searched high and low for other = gadgets that=20 do this for any length of time, and haven't really found = any.
 
The closest I've come to finding = this is the=20 "boomerang" and new "line six stomp box" (does the rack mount do=20 it?).
In the case of the both cases, you can = only shift=20 between one octave or the other, and reverse. Very cool, but I loved = those=20 "sweeping time sampling" that I got from the old = digitechs.
 
I do own a time machine, but the sample = rez is=20 low... so I'm looking for something that is higher rez, maybe does = reverse as=20 well, with a good amount of sampling time and ease of use for live input = and=20 instant playback... and maybe even save and recall the sample. I'd like = to try=20 to keep away from tape as well... I love it, but it's a bit=20 cumbersome.
 
Any clues?
Any info is much = appreciated
 
thanks
 
Jim Ellis
------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C40BE1.EF5A34B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 09:31:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2HEU3Y18262; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:30:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:30:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:30:02 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 03/17/2004 09:30:04 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2HEU2o18238 Resent-Message-ID: <7hRdeC.A.NdE.rDGWAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<...what about the Eclipse? Coincidentally, I'm interested in possibly getting an Eclipse myself. If anyone on the list has one...any thoughts pro and con? Thanks, Jeff>> Well, I've got one for sale... As for comments, I got it for pitch shifting, not delays, so I can't answer your exact questions in detail, but it is a delay monster. Lotsa detail here: http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/eclipse.htm ...including the algorithm list (any two algorithms can be loaded into a preset, so you can switch between them instantly...or crossfade, or run in parallel or series): http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/eclalgors.pdf ...and the preset list (first 100 presets show off the algorithms, one by one): http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/ecpresets.pdf Quick, specific answers regarding capabilities here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/?yguid=177203 (i.e. "eventide helps" at yahoo groups....run by a seriously hyper-active Eventide evangelist. The blurb: The official Eventide Harmonizer® brand effects processor support area on the Web. A great resource for factory information and customer support focusing on current Eventide models, H8000, Orville(TM), Eclipse(TM), DSP7000, DSP7500, DSP4000B+, REVERB 2016 as well as older models, the H3000/H3500 series and the 4000-series Ultra-Harmonizer products. Tutorials, patch design and VSIG Graphical Editor (for Windows PCs) assistance (Voice Conference & Webcam) are available from Italo De Angelis. The FILES area includes the Eventide Patch Exchange! ) My Harmony-Central ad: <> I'm selling for purely financial reasons, not from any dissatisfaction with the unit....it's a gem, and I'll be sad to see it go! dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 10:59:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2HFvJE28231; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:57:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:57:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:57:18 -0800 Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B5F3C94-77D8-11D8-B51D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/16/04 9:59 PM, Travis Hartnett at tiktok@sprintmail.com wrote: > I think there's a lot of people who want delay units that smoothly > shift pitch when you sweep the delay time, but it seems that delay > boxes stopped doing that about ten years ago. I forget the technical > reason, but I think the practical explanation was "it's > cheaper/affordable to use an effects architecture that dosn't support > that feature". I thought the Line6 stuff at least attempted to do that (though I haven't tested it closely). The following is based on a theoretical understanding rather than actual knowledge of any specific devices... The reason smooth pitch shift generally isn't available is that digital gear these days reads the samples out at a constant rate and achieves differences in delay time by changing the number of samples between the sound coming in and the sound going out. Older bucket-brigade analog gear and probably some old digital gear changed the rate at which it worked its way through memory which gives you nice pitch changes but also means that fidelity goes down as delay time goes up since the sample rate goes down. If the box is capable of doing modulated delays, it has enough processing power to produce a pitch shift while transitioning from one delay line length to another, but it probably doesn't behave quite like the old equipment. The Korg DL8000R, for example, will do this. To put this all in tape terms, it's the difference between varying the speed of the tape and varying the distance between the heads. Newer equipment varies the distance between the heads. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 12:22:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2HHHt708068; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:17:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:17:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c40c44$1696af60$0df6a344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <200403170520.i2H5K0905563@hemlock.violacea.com> <4B5F3C94-77D8-11D8-B51D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:20:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [68.163.246.13] at Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:17:50 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Korg delays have often featured modulated pitch-changing. The DL-8000 continues the tradition. I have an SDD 2000 that has pretty deep pitch-modulation. Here's a review: http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Korg/SDD_2000_Digital_Delay-01.html Korg also made an SDD-3000 (stereo) http://www.korg.co.jp/SoundMakeup/Museum/Product/img_22/product.png and an SDD-3300 (triple delays) http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~WZ4K-TNK/etc/3300.jpg The newer KORG DL8000 also features modulated delays and tries to update the SDD line. It might be just the ticket for you. I hope that helps. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:59 AM Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements > A pipe dream? Probably for the price you (and most people) are willing > to pay. I was thinking that one of the cheap tc units (D-2, M-1, etc) > or the Korg DL-8000 would handle it until you brought up the pitch > shift regeneration. To get all the sonic goodies you might be in > Eventide land, although I seem to remember the quick patch changes > wasn't an Eventide design priority, but maybe their guitar-oriented > products take that into account. > > I think there's a lot of people who want delay units that smoothly > shift pitch when you sweep the delay time, but it seems that delay > boxes stopped doing that about ten years ago. I forget the technical > reason, but I think the practical explanation was "it's > cheaper/affordable to use an effects architecture that dosn't support > that feature". > > TravisH > > On Mar 16, 2004, at 9:20 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > > > From: taktellsupermini > > Date: March 16, 2004 9:18:17 PM PST > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements > > > > > > I'm assuming it will have to be a rack unit. Here's what I need it to > > do: > > > > Store presets (duh in the rackmount dept) > > > > stereo ping pong > > tap tempo to several common divisions of the beat (ala rythmic delay > > setting on a Line 6 DL-4) > > > > flexible time sync to midi clock or CV/gate (either one, dont need > > both) > > > > change delay time within a user selectable range of speeds (assignable > > to each preset) via midi cc or cv (either) resulting in the trails > > changing pitch, rather than making squelching noise (I want > > intervallic control of the delay trails via the speed, in real time) > > > > glitch-free patch changes with the option to have trails decay or be > > cut off, and change speed to value of new patch or maintain original > > value > > > > stereo multi taps > > > > pitch shifting and various ways to implement pitch shifted delays > > (pitch shift in feedback loop, independent pitch shift of multi taps) > > > > TOP NOTCH TONE > > > > Is this a pipe dream? - Kirkland > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 12:51:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2HHmZK12508; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:48:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:48:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c40c47$cbd71ba0$4e15bcac@aoldsl.net> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: <200403170520.i2H5K0905563@hemlock.violacea.com> <4B5F3C94-77D8-11D8-B51D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <004401c40c44$1696af60$0df6a344@hppav> Subject: SPAM: Boomerang + for sale Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:46:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.40 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 195.93.52.152 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com apologies for the spam, but i thought i'd give you fellow loopers first dibs! I'm selling my Boomerang + Phrase Sampler - fully boxed, with manual, psu (i have both a 110v and 240v power supply). I'm based in the UK, so would prefer to sell to someone here, but i'm prepared to ship worldwide and i accept Paypal. e-mail me offlist if you're interested! [/spam] Gareth Hardwick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 13:25:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2HIJrY16469; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:19:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:19:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004401c40c44$1696af60$0df6a344@hppav> References: <200403170520.i2H5K0905563@hemlock.violacea.com> <4B5F3C94-77D8-11D8-B51D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <004401c40c44$1696af60$0df6a344@hppav> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:18:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Korg also made an SDD-3000 (stereo) >http://www.korg.co.jp/SoundMakeup/Museum/Product/img_22/product.png I have an SDD-3000, and it's wonderful. But it does not have MIDI, and it has only 9 presets. But as far as sound goes, many still consider it a kind of 'holy grail' piece. >The newer KORG DL8000 also features modulated delays and tries to update the >SDD line. It might be just the ticket for you. I'd be curious to hear how it compares to the SDD 3000 sound wise. But it's probably a good option if it can do all the other things he needed a delay to do. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 13:48:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2HIfB919101; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:41:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:41:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20040317051817.65868.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:40:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-qJyGD.A.RqE.HvJWAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:02 AM -0600 3/17/04, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >TC 2290? I don't think it has modulation delays, though. But I may be wrong. It won't do the stereo ping-pong , MIDI clock, stereo multi taps, pitch shift. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 15:26:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2HKMcF32050; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:22:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:22:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040317202237.99504.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:22:37 -0800 (PST) From: taktellsupermini Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2000912777-1079554957=:98650" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2000912777-1079554957=:98650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah the 2290 seems to be pretty lacking in the advanced control department. So here's a question for you folks: of all these devices that do everything but the pitch shifting, do any of them have built in effects loops that can be placed in various sections of the signal flow, such as in the delay feedback line, or applied to certain delay taps only? Better yet, any with a stereo loop that can be used in a dual mono/parallel configuration? Thanks a bunch for all the info! - Kirkland asterion@hell.com wrote:At 12:02 AM -0600 3/17/04, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >TC 2290? I don't think it has modulation delays, though. But I may be wrong. It won't do the stereo ping-pong , MIDI clock, stereo multi taps, pitch shift. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam --0-2000912777-1079554957=:98650 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Yeah the 2290 seems to be pretty lacking in the advanced control department. So here's a question for you folks: of all these devices that do everything but the pitch shifting, do any of them have built in effects loops that can be placed in various sections of the signal flow, such as in the delay feedback line, or applied to certain delay taps only? Better yet, any with a stereo loop that can be used in a dual mono/parallel configuration? Thanks a bunch for all the info! - Kirkland

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>TC 2290? I don't think it has modulation delays, though. But I may be wrong.

It won't do the stereo ping-pong , MIDI clock, stereo multi taps, pitch shift.

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Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam --0-2000912777-1079554957=:98650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 16:35:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2HLVKE10558; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:31:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:31:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:34:01 +0100 Subject: Re: newbie pitch-shifting gear question From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: Ek3h6+ZOweUec3XP7BIqq0RHR8qNv0nwUngShjr-jYnSh5CAELKcoR Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, check out Maneco's stuff: http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ He makes things with features of the EH 16 Sec. Delay and the Digi PDS 8000 Regards, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 16:49:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2HLlEP13923; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:47:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:47:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.140.8.2] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 2 upcoming Found Objects Shows Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:46:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2004 21:46:39.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[5406FCE0:01C40C69] Resent-Message-ID: <8_d_l.A.YZD.idMWAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For anybody who's interested, I have 2 upcoming Found Objects shows in California within the next two weeks. In both cases, please bring one or more objects for the musicians to play if you come. #1 is in Oakland Found Objects Night 21 Grand 449B 23rd St, Oakland, CA Friday, March 19th, 8pm - $6-10 Featuring: Lesser (well known electronica/idm musician) Karen Stackpole (gong player/found objects percussionist) Die Elektrishen (experimental drone/noise musician) Jon Brumit (junk percussionist) Cheryl Leonard & Tim Blue (string players also known for playing trees) #2 is in San Jose House Music: Domestic Found Objects Concert San Jose Museum of Art 110 South Market St San Jose, CA Sunday April 4th, 2pm FREE 3 duos of found objects performers present 20 minute sets. (Note the early start time. The event ends at 3pm.) Rick Walker & Jon Wagner (looping percussion set) Lance Grabmiller & Matt Davignon (abstract-ambient set) Seth Warren & David Dupuis (dripping tree set) Hope to see some of you there! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 16:50:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2HLjV213731; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:45:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:45:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4058C6D8.20300@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:44:56 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: newbie pitch-shifting gear question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's impressive, Maneco is always developing new items. Now he's got a 16-second looper w/reverse, a loop memory and pitchshifting delay time for under $200... Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com >check out Maneco's stuff: > >http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ > >He makes things with features of the EH 16 Sec. Delay and the Digi PDS 8000 > >Regards, Andreas > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 16:57:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2HLnrU14338; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:49:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:49:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.127.210.10] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:49:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2004 21:49:47.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[C448A0D0:01C40C69] Resent-Message-ID: <0hFTZC.A.5fD.BgMWAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nobody's mentioned the good ol' lexicon pcm 42 and or 81. I don't use these but does anyone know if these can do what's needed? There's even a pcm42 software emulation now. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 19:49:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2HNkxG31659; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:46:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:46:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4058E35A.8090807@free.fr> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 00:46:34 +0100 From: Luca Bonvini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SPAM: Boomerang + for sale References: <200403170520.i2H5K0905563@hemlock.violacea.com> <4B5F3C94-77D8-11D8-B51D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <004401c40c44$1696af60$0df6a344@hppav> <002501c40c47$cbd71ba0$4e15bcac@aoldsl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2HNkxo31632 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Gareth, I'm interested, I live in Paris how much do you want? I can come easily to London on a one day trip to get it. Thank you, Luca Bonvini Gareth Hardwick a écrit: > apologies for the spam, but i thought i'd give you fellow loopers first > dibs! > > I'm selling my Boomerang + Phrase Sampler - fully boxed, with manual, psu (i > have both a 110v and 240v power supply). > > I'm based in the UK, so would prefer to sell to someone here, but i'm > prepared to ship worldwide and i accept Paypal. > > e-mail me offlist if you're interested! > > [/spam] > > Gareth Hardwick > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 17 20:58:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2I1uOP17533; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:56:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:56:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c40c8c$3622c6a0$45821f43@sipapu> Reply-To: "James Lanpheer" From: "James Lanpheer" To: Subject: miscellaneous EDP questions. Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:56:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C40C51.88C7B450" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-ELNK-Trace: b1baf93441b2c77671639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940a378bc5a136ce48e953488f8a246c0e5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C40C51.88C7B450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm a "tweaker" lately of various EDP parameters and while i've been = doing this, i've run across a few things that i can't explain. I'd = appreciate any help if anyone knows anything about or might have run = across these: 1) Problem with "virtual multiply". This is my biggest problem. I = have a Yamaha MFC-10 pedal that is set up to start/stop a multiply at = the touch of a button. My problem is that it works sproradically. When = it doesn't work, pressing multiply puts a yellow light on the INSERT = BUTTON on the front panel of the EDP, the loop plays once more and then, = i lose the loop entirely. It SEEMS to be behaving like "Sampler-Style", = but i have no idea why Multiply would trigger that and why it doesn't = always seem to work the same way. Relevant settings seem to be: =20 Quantize is set to "LOP" InsertMode is set to "Half Speed". RoundMode is set to "rnd". This is an enormous problem for me in live performance, because i can't = trust Multiply, and therefore, don't use it, because my groove seems to = mysteriously disappear. If i have the time, i can reach up and press = multiply on the actual unit and that usually works, but that's not = always possible. Its a "showstopper"..... 2) Inability to "Reset". I've never been able to figure out how to program a "reset" virtual = button press on my MFC-10. If i want to reset a loop, i've had to "Long = Press" the Record button to reset the loop. By this i mean that my = fail-safe is to actually reach up to the EDP and long-press the Record = button to reset the loop. Isn't there a way to do this virtually? 3) Can't get Re-align to work properly. Maybe someone can point out my misunderstanding of how Realign works. = Lets say that i've got a loop synched to an external clock source. = Let's say i stop the external clock (in my case, an RM1-x). I then = retrigger the start of the external clock. My understanding is that i = simultaneously press Mute/Multiply, the loop keeps playing with "ooo" on = the display showing that its waiting for the "one" on the clock. Then, = the two should realign. This doesn't happen for me. I'm pressing the = buttons manually, so maybe that has something to do with it, but i get = different results each time. Sometimes, nothing at all happens. = Sometimes, the loop goes into "Mute" once we get to "one" on the clock = again. Can someone please explain how Realign works fully? Is the Mute/Multiply combo a long press, short press, do i press them = together or in succession? Thanx in advance to anyone who has the time and knowledge to help. cheers, jim. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C40C51.88C7B450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm a "tweaker" lately of various EDP = parameters=20 and while i've been doing this, i've run across a few things that i = can't=20 explain.  I'd appreciate any help if anyone knows anything about or = might=20 have run across these:
 
1)  Problem with "virtual = multiply". =20 This is my biggest problem.  I have a Yamaha MFC-10 pedal that is = set up to=20 start/stop a multiply at the touch of a button.  My problem is that = it=20 works sproradically.  When it doesn't work, pressing multiply puts = a yellow=20 light on the INSERT BUTTON on the front panel of the EDP, the loop = plays=20 once more and then, i lose the loop entirely.  It SEEMS to be = behaving like=20 "Sampler-Style", but i have no idea why Multiply would trigger that and = why it=20 doesn't always seem to work the same way.  Relevant settings seem = to=20 be: 
Quantize is set to "LOP"
InsertMode is set to "Half = Speed".
RoundMode is set to "rnd".
This is an enormous problem for me in = live=20 performance, because i can't trust Multiply, and therefore, don't use = it,=20 because my groove seems to mysteriously disappear.  If i have the = time, i=20 can reach up and press multiply on the actual unit and that usually = works, but=20 that's not always possible.  Its a "showstopper".....
 
2)  Inability to = "Reset".
I've never been able to figure out how = to program a=20 "reset" virtual button press on my MFC-10.  If i want to reset a = loop, i've=20 had to "Long Press" the Record button to reset the loop.  By this i = mean=20 that my fail-safe is to actually reach up to the EDP and long-press the = Record=20 button to reset the loop.  Isn't there a way to do this=20 virtually?
 
3)  Can't get Re-align to work=20 properly.
Maybe someone can point out my = misunderstanding of=20 how Realign works.  Lets say that i've got a loop synched to an = external=20 clock source.  Let's say i stop the external clock (in my case, an=20 RM1-x).  I then retrigger the start of the external clock.  My = understanding is that i simultaneously press Mute/Multiply, the = loop keeps=20 playing with "ooo" on the display showing that its waiting for the "one" = on the=20 clock.  Then, the two should realign.  This doesn't happen for = me.  I'm pressing the buttons manually, so maybe that has something = to do=20 with it, but i get different results each time.  Sometimes, nothing = at all=20 happens.  Sometimes, the loop goes into "Mute" once we get to "one" = on the=20 clock again.
Can someone please explain how Realign = works=20 fully?
Is the Mute/Multiply combo a long = press, short=20 press, do i press them together or in succession?
 
Thanx in advance to anyone who has the = time and=20 knowledge to help.
cheers,
jim.
------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C40C51.88C7B450-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 18 02:59:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2I7vWi09991; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:57:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:57:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40595652.4080208@free.fr> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:57:06 +0100 From: Luca Bonvini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SPAM: Boomerang + for sale References: <200403170520.i2H5K0905563@hemlock.violacea.com> <4B5F3C94-77D8-11D8-B51D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <004401c40c44$1696af60$0df6a344@hppav> <002501c40c47$cbd71ba0$4e15bcac@aoldsl.net> <4058E35A.8090807@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2I7vWo09969 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OOPS, $orry gentlemen, didn't mean to send it here.....I'll learn! Luca Luca Bonvini a écrit: > Hello Gareth, I'm interested, I live in Paris how much do you want? I > can come easily to London on a one day trip to get it. > > Thank you, > > Luca Bonvini > > Gareth Hardwick a écrit: > >> apologies for the spam, but i thought i'd give you fellow loopers first >> dibs! >> >> I'm selling my Boomerang + Phrase Sampler - fully boxed, with manual, >> psu (i >> have both a 110v and 240v power supply). >> >> I'm based in the UK, so would prefer to sell to someone here, but i'm >> prepared to ship worldwide and i accept Paypal. >> >> e-mail me offlist if you're interested! >> >> [/spam] >> >> Gareth Hardwick >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 18 03:29:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2I8Qs914928; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 03:26:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 03:26:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c40cc2$95925340$b8254e51@gareth> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: <4058C6D8.20300@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: newbie pitch-shifting gear question Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:25:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have one of Maneco's Nanoloopers - it's a cool pedal! You have to get used to the fact that you're looping the delay (like on the old Digitech PDS range), but once that's done, you can make some cool sounds and textures. Gareth > > It's impressive, Maneco is always developing new items. Now he's got a > 16-second looper w/reverse, a loop memory and pitchshifting delay time > for under $200... > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > >check out Maneco's stuff: > > > >http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ > > > >He makes things with features of the EH 16 Sec. Delay and the Digi PDS 8000 > > > >Regards, Andreas > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 18 03:43:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2I8gUt17251; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 03:42:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 03:42:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <405960F5.9060700@iinet.net.au> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:42:29 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Macintosh/20040208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements References: <20040317202237.99504.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040317202237.99504.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, One option not mentioned, but perhaps not to your tastes, is to build a rack mount PC or Mac housing a Korg Oasys, which can perform most of your needs in a single patch, and yes, at zero (acoustically negligable) latency . It might be hard getting hold of a card now though as they are no longer in production. Obviously, this suggestion really depends on your tolerance for hardware construction and willingness to depend on an onstage PC. Plus side is hard disk recording, optional adat for multiple bus and a host of very clean highly modulatable effects. regards michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 18 04:07:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2I952O21985; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 04:05:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 04:05:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040318090456.95469.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 01:04:56 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Maneco Elite? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4058C6D8.20300@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone on LD used the ManecoLooper Elite? I'm experiencing severe G.A.S. pains from looking at it! John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 18 04:15:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2I9EsG23496; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 04:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 04:14:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.182.157.104] X-Originating-Email: [resonateperception@hotmail.com] X-Sender: resonateperception@hotmail.com From: "Jim Ellis" To: References: <4058C6D8.20300@mhorse.com> <007f01c40cc2$95925340$b8254e51@gareth> Subject: Re: newbie pitch-shifting gear question Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 01:14:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2004 09:14:43.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[737FED60:01C40CC9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com His pedals are amazing! thanks so much Andreas (and the rest of you) for the tips and feedback (love...feedback as well, hooked my vacuum cleaner up to a distortion/overload pedal) the Manecolooper Elite is delightfully Sick!!! jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:25 AM Subject: Re: newbie pitch-shifting gear question > I have one of Maneco's Nanoloopers - it's a cool pedal! > > You have to get used to the fact that you're looping the delay (like on the > old Digitech PDS range), but once that's done, you can make some cool sounds > and textures. > > Gareth > > > > > It's impressive, Maneco is always developing new items. Now he's got a > > 16-second looper w/reverse, a loop memory and pitchshifting delay time > > for under $200... > > > > Daryl Shawn > > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > > >check out Maneco's stuff: > > > > > >http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ > > > > > >He makes things with features of the EH 16 Sec. Delay and the Digi PDS > 8000 > > > > > >Regards, Andreas > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 18 16:19:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2ILFEj15301; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:15:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:15:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.2935fa22.2d8b6b54@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:15:00 EST Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1079644500" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1079644500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For these exact specifications you have defined... I use the TC electronics G major it is before my echoplexes in the signal chain but runs OFF of them via midi to control the tap tempo -------------------------------1079644500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For these exact specifications you have defined...
 
I use the TC electronics G major
 
it is before my echoplexes in the signal chain but runs OFF of them via= midi to control the tap tempo
 
-------------------------------1079644500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 18 16:19:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2ILGqQ15507; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:16:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:16:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.49f8fa7a.2d8b6bbc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:16:44 EST Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1079644604" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1079644604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm am working towards the eventide orville myself as well..... i did not read about the pitch shifting requirements within the same unit until after i pushed send -------------------------------1079644604 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm am working towards the eventide orville myself as well.....
 
i did not read about the pitch shifting requirements within the same un= it until after i pushed send
-------------------------------1079644604-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 19 04:08:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2J95i232312; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 04:05:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 04:05:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 01:04:50 -0800 Subject: wha dis?? From: To: looper people Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2oqzk.A.w4H.ofrWAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=f&f=%2FCatalog%2F01%5FComing%5FSoon%2F 03%5F16%5FSecond%5FDelay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 19 08:12:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2JDABv03144; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:10:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:10:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <77.249dd6d7.2d8c4b29@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:10:01 EST Subject: gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2JDABo03115 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey friends; thought I'd pass along this list of screening engagements for the indie film "The American Astronaut" produced, written and directed by my pals in The Billy Nayer Show, it's really quite strange and lots of fun... sort of a film noir cowboys in outer space thing... very unusual and great music! If it screens somewhere near you, please check it out... you won't be sorry! best to all RA message follows: Hello Friends & Countrymen, THE AMERICAN ASTRONAUT begins its screenings this week with Madstone Theatres as well as continuing to spread across Europe. Our full schedule is below. The Billy Nayer Show will start its spring tour next month, with another month long engagement at Pianos in nyc and various tour dates thru the Northeast and the South. Updates coming soon... THANKS! BNS ------------------------------------------- The Billy Nayer Show The American Astronaut www.billynayer.com www.americanastronaut.com www.astropitch.com March 19th -One week CARY, NC. MADSTONE THEATERS 770 CARY TOWNE BLVD. USA March 19th -One week DENVER, CO. MADSTONE THEATERS 7777 EAST HAMPDEN AVE. USA April 2nd -One week ALBUQUERQUE, NM. MADSTONE THEATERS 6311 SAN MATEO BLVD. USA April 2nd -One week ANN ARBOR, MI. MADSTONE THEATERS BRIARWOOD SHOPPING CENTER 462 BRIARWOOD CIRCLE. USA April 16th -One week CHANDLER, AZ. MADSTONE THEATERS 5835 WEST RAY ROAD. USA April 16th -One week SAN DIEGO, CA. MADSTONE THEATERS 7510 HAZARD CENTER DRIVE. USA April 16th -One week TAMPA, FL. MADSTONE THEATERS OLD HYDE PARK VILLAGE 1609 SWANN AVE. USA -NEW INFO!! March 16th & 17th BIFFF (Brussels International Festival of Fantasy, Thriller & Science-Fiction Films) THE NOVA CINEMA 3, rue Arenbergstraat BRUSSELS BELGIUM March 16th VERA CINEMA OOSTERSTRAAT 44 GRONINGEN, HOLLAND March 20th at: HARBOUR LIGHTS PICTUREHOUSE OCEAN VILLAGE SOUTHAMPTON S014 3TL ENGLAND APRIL 21st FILMHUIS MOVIE W LAWICKSE ALLEE 13 WAGENINGEN HOLLAND March 27th at: THE RITZY BRIXTON OVAL COLDHARBOUR LANE SW2 LONDON ENGLAND -NEW INFO!! April 3RD. CROSSROADS FILM FESTIVAL/JACKSON,MS. REGAL PARKWAY PLACE THEATRE 1075 PARKWAY BOULEVARD FLOWOOD, MS USA (Live BNS performance at Hal & Mal's) -NEW INFO!! 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EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #365 March 18, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the Zero Ohms. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Glass Bead Game" on the Zop Opus label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Evening Star" by Robert Fripp and Brian Eno on Antilles Records. I played the music of Ian Boddy who will be performing at the Gathering this Saturday. For details, see the EMUSIC Events page. Zero Ohms - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#mar Events Page - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Fripp and Eno Wind on Wind Evening Star (Antilles) Ian Boddy The Purcell Set Parts Phoenix (Something Else) 1 and 2 VA [Resistance D] Oxygene 10 Resistance D Odyssey Through O2 (Dreyfus) Treatment vidnaObmana IV Phrasing the Air (Hypnos) Steve Roach Wicked Dream Fever Dreams (Projekt) Zero Ohms The Freemasonry of The Glass Bead Game (Zop Opus) Science Zero Ohms Jumping to Conclusions The Glass Bead Game (Zop Opus) as Only a Leap of Faith 12:00 am Zero Ohms Eigentones of Akasha The Glass Bead Game (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms A Short Visit to Nowhere The Glass Bead Game (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms Changing the Bag in an The Glass Bead Game (Zop Opus) Existential Vacuum Zero Ohms Pleroma The Glass Bead Game (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms A Stepping Stone Just The Glass Bead Game (Zop Opus) Beneath the Surface of the Water Zero Ohms Negentropy The Glass Bead Game (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms Altivation The Glass Bead Game (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms The Casimer Effect The Glass Bead Game (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms Nada in Sahasra The Glass Bead Game (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms Ocean of Mercy The Glass Bead Game (Zop Opus) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on the Zero Ohms. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Trans Spheres" on Zop Opus Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Gelb" by Konrad Schnitzler on Block Records. I will play the music of AirSculpture who will be performing at the Gathering in April. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 19 10:25:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2JFMVu23358; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:22:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:22:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Cc: Subject: RE: AudioMulch LiveLooper & CannonLooper... Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:22:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQQIYIodFh17LXaSpGOsE+yDnS6vQ== In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20040319152225.JQMD23486.fed1mtao04.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know whether something similar to this would work or not, but I recorded a loop in the MPC 1000, with overdub turned on. At the same time, I was recording it via midi in Cubase SL, but not in loop mode. While the MPC was recording the layering loop, Cubase was recording the process in a linear fashion. I assume the same could be done with incoming audio, but I haven't tried that yet. Tom *************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: mjnoble [mailto:not8ohm@iinet.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AudioMulch LiveLooper & CannonLooper... Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Anyone have any luck getting these to work for music? > >I just downloaded. I don't quite understand the interface, and there are no >docs. The website indicates they were "included by accident." > >Just got a laptop. 2.4gHz, P4, running a MOTU 828mkII. Latency: 2.9ms @ >44.1kHz. Pre-processing loops with a Yamaha A5000 sampler-as-effects-box, >and trying to post-process with AudioMulch. > >It would be neat to be able to bounce loops to AudioMulch from the EDP... > >-J > > > > > > Hi Jesse, Your setup seems very similar to myself, except I'm not using a laptop. Have been using AM to process the EDP's loops, as well as using the 4 x 40 second midi synced delays of my Korg Oasys. You can get some real mayhem going on, but some sweet things start happening when it gets under control. Are you on the AM mailing list. Lots of excellent tips there, and some info about the looping contraptions, but not much. Basically these contraptions are in an alpha state according to Ross, the one-man team behind audiomulch. In otherwords, they are very raw. I recall from the mailing list that they need 512mb of ram just for those contraptions. As for how they function, your guess is as good as anyones until Ross gets around to producing some docs. Anyway, good luck with figuring those loopers out. cheers Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 19 16:25:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2JLNRb17968; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:23:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:23:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <405B64A1.4060105@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:22:41 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wha dis?? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jiminy! Looks lovely...is it actually gonna cost a grand, like people were thinkin before? Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com >http://www.ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=f&f=%2FCatalog%2F01%5FComing%5FSoon%2F >03%5F16%5FSecond%5FDelay > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 20 11:31:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2KGTLt16346; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:29:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:29:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <405C70D5.7040605@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:27:01 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Notify about your e-mail account utilization. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Peters wrote:
the attachment in that mail contains a virus of course. And the worst thing
is, with the signature below, it looks like a mail that wasn't generated
automatically, but written manually, to spread the virus. I really wonder
who does things like that, and why.
Just imagine all the thought and effort that is required to find new ways to spread spam, viruses, and worms.  I find these cyber-terrorists as utterly incomprehensible as suicide bombers.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that enemies of the free western world are behind some of the problem.  Anything to disrupt our pleasant lives and waste our time and resources.  They really need to get some loopers and make something beautiful instead!  With 1% of the effort redirected to looping would produce an amazing amount of art.  The other 99% could be redirected towards getting an education, working hard at jobs, helping the less fortunate, and peacefully lobbying for their goals instead of setting off bombs and computer viruses.  The rest of us would probably start listening to them instead of shaking our heads in wonder/disgust.  They force me to work hard not to hate them, not to seeth at their insane actions.

Bill Fox
 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 20 11:37:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2KGZAg17708; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:35:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:35:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <405C72C8.1060500@biink.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:35:20 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mail Proggies & Numerology (was Re: ANOTHER VIRUS) References: <6.0.0.22.2.20040304134011.03dcf270@spamarrest.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <85zkg.A.mUE.9KHXAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com asterion@hell.com wrote: > At 2:02 PM -0600 3/4/04, Catilyne wrote: > >> I advise people to migrate away from Outlook whenever possible. I >> can't tell you the number of bullets I've dodged simply because I use >> Eudora instead. > > > Eudora 6 has a good spam filter. I find that over 90% of spam messages > get diverted to the Junk mailbox, and only a few of these are > incorrectly analyzed as spam. So does Mozilla. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 20 13:33:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2KIVAc03330; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:31:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:31:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:31:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't see this as off topic at all, jefff... And I am an orville user and would never get a 7000 instead. Just my two pesos... Todd On 3/17/04 2:11 AM, "Jeff Shirkey" wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I once said: > >> "I can rationalize about anything when it comes to buying gear." > > And a very wise man (you!) once replied: > >> this, my friend, is a very dangerous talent. now go and guiltlessly buy!!! > > > Ahem...so...that leads me to the following: > > I came across your review of the Eventide DSP 7000 on H-C tonight. Do > you still have it? Do you think it'd be worth springing for a 7000 > instead of getting the Eclipse? > > Don't *really* tempt me by saying that you've since upgraded to an > Orville! lol Actually, I know Sean Moran DID do just that not too > long ago. > > Anyway, I was just curious what you thought about the DSP 7000 vs. > the Eclipse mostly. I'm tempted to get one or the other. Not > necessarily tomorrow, but probably sometime in the near (?) future. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 20 13:33:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2KIWNB03647; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:32:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:32:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:32:21 -0500 Subject: Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040317051817.65868.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3162634342_2338314" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3162634342_2338314 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Eventide Orville. Everything you mentioned, times two... Todd On 3/17/04 12:18 AM, "taktellsupermini" wrote: > I'm assuming it will have to be a rack unit. Here's what I need it to do: > > Store presets (duh in the rackmount dept) > > stereo ping pong > tap tempo to several common divisions of the beat (ala rythmic delay setting > on a Line 6 DL-4) > > flexible time sync to midi clock or CV/gate (either one, dont need both) > > change delay time within a user selectable range of speeds (assignable to each > preset) via midi cc or cv (either) resulting in the trails changing pitch, > rather than making squelching noise (I want intervallic control of the delay > trails via the speed, in real time) > > glitch-free patch changes with the option to have trails decay or be cut off, > and change speed to value of new patch or maintain original value > > stereo multi taps > > pitch shifting and various ways to implement pitch shifted delays (pitch > shift in feedback loop, independent pitch shift of multi taps) > > TOP NOTCH TONE > > Is this a pipe dream? - Kirkland > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More > reliable, more storage, less spam --B_3162634342_2338314 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements Eventide Orville. &nbs= p;Everything you mentioned, times two...

Todd

On 3/17/04 12:18 AM, "taktellsupermini" <taktellsupermini@yaho= o.com> wrote:

I'm assuming it will have to be a rack unit. Here's what I need it to do= :
 
Store presets (duh in the rackmount dept)

stereo ping pong
tap tempo to several common divisions of the beat (ala rythmic delay settin= g on a Line 6 DL-4)

flexible time sync to midi clock or CV/gate (either one, dont need both)
change delay time within a user selectable range of speeds (assignable to e= ach preset) via midi cc or cv (either) resulting in the trails changing pitc= h, rather than making squelching noise (I want intervallic control of the de= lay trails via the speed, in real time)
 
glitch-free patch changes with the option to have trails decay or be cut of= f, and change speed to value of new patch or maintain original value

stereo multi taps

pitch shifting and various  ways to implement pitch shifted delays (pi= tch shift in feedback loop, independent pitch shift of multi taps)

TOP NOTCH TONE
 
Is this a pipe dream? - Kirkland
Do you Yahoo!?
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 --B_3162634342_2338314-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 20 17:33:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2KMVUN11141; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:31:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:31:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c40ecb$959e0e50$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <405B64A1.4060105@mhorse.com> Subject: C'est What? Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:35:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <-uVAd.A.6tC.CZMXAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got bounced from the list and still do not have any viruses onboard, thanks to an updated program. "Your mail address spgoodman@earthlight.net has been removed from the Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com mailinglist. It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails." Now, I know that my carrier fairadsl.co.uk had a few problems today, but I also haven't been getting ANYTHING from the LD list today, prior to the downage this afternoon (morning your time in CA). And my last message to the list was on the 9th, about a previously-proposed London Looping show (still wondering why no responses to THAT one). Anyone else have this happen? Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 20 18:34:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2KNX3l22324; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:33:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:33:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040320153455.035afd80@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:36:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: C'est What? In-Reply-To: <008a01c40ecb$959e0e50$0207a8c0@Stephen> References: <405B64A1.4060105@mhorse.com> <008a01c40ecb$959e0e50$0207a8c0@Stephen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com nope, just you. badly designed anti-virus script on your server bounces legit emails. kim At 02:35 PM 3/20/2004, Steve Goodman wrote: >"Your mail address spgoodman@earthlight.net has been removed >from the Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com mailinglist. >It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails." > >Now, I know that my carrier fairadsl.co.uk had a few problems today, but I >also haven't been getting ANYTHING from the LD list today, prior to the >downage this afternoon (morning your time in CA). And my last message to >the list was on the 9th, about a previously-proposed London Looping show >(still wondering why no responses to THAT one). > >Anyone else have this happen? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 20 20:21:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2L1KCV12180; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:20:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:20:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c40ee3$25d2bef0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <405B64A1.4060105@mhorse.com> <008a01c40ecb$959e0e50$0207a8c0@Stephen> <6.0.3.0.2.20040320153455.035afd80@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: C'est What? Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:23:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, I'll top-post too. Recently the email filter at Greatbasin has blocked subjects of: -- E-mail account security warning. -- Notify about using the e-mail account. -- Warning about your e-mail account. -- Important notify about your e-mail account. -- Email account utilization warning. -- Notify about your e-mail account utilization. -- E-mail account disabling warning. I wouldn't call that "badly-designed" nor "anti-virus scripting". Also I see only one notice of a bounce, together with one for something else: >spgoodman@earthlight.net > (reason: 553 5.5.3 The subject of your message is commonly used by the Bagel virus. We are temporarily blocki...top this worm. Please change the subject line of your email and resend. Thank you for your patience.) >pg@patrickgrant.net > (reason: 579 message content is not acceptable here) Sounds a little more complicated than what you say it is, actually. > nope, just you. badly designed anti-virus script on your server bounces > legit emails. > kim > > At 02:35 PM 3/20/2004, Steve Goodman wrote: > >"Your mail address spgoodman@earthlight.net has been removed > >from the Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com mailinglist. > >It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails." > > > >Now, I know that my carrier fairadsl.co.uk had a few problems today, but I > >also haven't been getting ANYTHING from the LD list today, prior to the > >downage this afternoon (morning your time in CA). And my last message to > >the list was on the 9th, about a previously-proposed London Looping show > >(still wondering why no responses to THAT one). > > > >Anyone else have this happen? > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 20 21:09:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2L28Tr24496; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:08:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:08:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:07:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Eventides (Was: Re: Lovetone stuff) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5RLn4C.A.n-F.dkPXAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I don't see this as off topic at all, jefff... I inadvertently sent that message to the whole group, instead of to Jim privately. That was my mistake. But, since it went to everyone, I definitely would like other peoples' opinions, so thanks. >And I am an orville user and would never get a 7000 instead. An Orville would be overkill for me, even though I know it'd be incredible. If I can find a way to get the 7000, I will, though. Are there any other Eclipse users on the list besides David Coffin? Also, since I've been pricing Eventide gear, I know a place that is blowing out the one Orville they have in stock. It was a special order gone bad, and they need to get rid of it. So if anyone is looking for one, give me a shout. Wish I could spring for it, but there's just no way. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 20 22:05:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2L32Ll01477; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:02:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:02:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c40ef3$33a1cca0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Faceless Forces Of Bigness Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:18:37 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday March 23rd - Faceless Forces Of Bigness The Faceless Forces of Bigness is an experimental audio/video collective focused on exploring the musical and visual narrative possibilities of improvisation in a random generative environment. Combining instrumentless sound creation, modular synthesizers, electronic filtering, feedback and video projection, each member performs by shepherding the sound and video through an organic and often unpredictable series of parameters. The result is a show that is always a surprise for both performers and audience. * Note - FFOB is planning on performing in quadrophonic sound so those of you who appreciate that kind of thing should plan on arriving early to grab seats in the "sweet spot". Between Sets CD - "The Sinking Of The Titanic" by Gavin Bryers A spiraling small-ensemble piece evoking the feeling of the band on the Titanic slowing sinking into the ocean as they continue to play the hymn Autumn into eternity. (We'll play the 1994 Point Music release - not the 1975 Obscure Music version.) http://www.gavinbryars.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming March 30th - Planet Of The Loops http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Synthphonics 2 - Hush On The Peace Terrain" by URM Jamie Todd of dreamSTATE returns with the second volume in his Synthphonics series, "Hush on the Peace Terrain". Utilizing the Reason software system Jamie has created a lush and emotional series of soundscapes linked conceptually by recent world events. Unlike it's predecessor, "Hush..." uses shorter pieces of differing thematic natures to tell it's story, and while maintaining a link in terms of sound, each piece retains a distinct personality and identity indicative of a particular instant. From the quiet movement of "Dawn" into the shifting and evolving darkness of "Pillars Crumble Into Chaos", through to the slow pulse of closing track "New American Century", "Hush on the Peace Terrain" brilliantly captures the effects that current events have had on all of us. A very moving collection of songs, and a very impressive addition to the Synthphonics series. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Steve Roach is currently the Featured Artist at ping things. Visit http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm to read an exclusive interview with this master of the ambient genre. Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 21 05:46:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2LAJXt18283; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:19:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:19:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C40F36.8D379FE0@dyn-83-157-129-108.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: C'est What? Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:20:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C40F36.8D40C7A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C40F36.8D40C7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable although I have not gotten any "bounced" messages, I have also noticed very low LD traffic these days=20 (less than 3 messages a day, sometimes 0, which sounds quite calm) and was wondering wether it is just a moment when no one has something to say, or if something else is happening... Francois check some samples on http://1000.times.free.fr/ -----Message d'origine----- De: Steve Goodman [SMTP:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Date: dimanche 21 mars 2004 02:24 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: C'est What? Okay, I'll top-post too. Recently the email filter at Greatbasin has blocked subjects of: -- E-mail account security warning. -- Notify about using the e-mail account. -- Warning about your e-mail account. -- Important notify about your e-mail account. -- Email account utilization warning. -- Notify about your e-mail account utilization. -- E-mail account disabling warning. I wouldn't call that "badly-designed" nor "anti-virus scripting". Also = I see only one notice of a bounce, together with one for something else: >spgoodman@earthlight.net > (reason: 553 5.5.3 The subject of your message is commonly used by = the Bagel virus. We are temporarily blocki...top this worm. Please change = the subject line of your email and resend. Thank you for your patience.) >pg@patrickgrant.net > (reason: 579 message content is not acceptable here) Sounds a little more complicated than what you say it is, actually. > nope, just you. badly designed anti-virus script on your server = bounces > legit emails. > kim > > At 02:35 PM 3/20/2004, Steve Goodman wrote: > >"Your mail address spgoodman@earthlight.net has been removed > >from the Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com mailinglist. > >It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails." > > > >Now, I know that my carrier fairadsl.co.uk had a few problems today, = but I > >also haven't been getting ANYTHING from the LD list today, prior to = the > >downage this afternoon (morning your time in CA). And my last = message to > >the list was on the 9th, about a previously-proposed London Looping = show > >(still wondering why no responses to THAT one). > > > >Anyone else have this happen? > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01C40F36.8D40C7A0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IiwKAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAIAIAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAMAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAZQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdo dEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAFNNVFAATG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdo dC5jb20AAAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAACQAAABMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRA bG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbQADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAmAAAAJ0xvb3BlcnMt 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ABeACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAABhQAAAAAAAB4AHIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFSF AAABAAAABAAAADguMAALAB2ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAOhQAAAAAAAAMAHoAIIAYAAAAA AMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABGFAAAAAAAAAwAfgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAGIUAAAAAAAAeADaA CCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA2hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA3gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYA AAAAN4UAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AOIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADiFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAA AAAeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAAMADTT9NwAAMjY= ------ =_NextPart_000_01C40F36.8D40C7A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 21 10:15:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2LFDsq11161; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:13:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:13:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 07:13:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Eventides (Was: Re: Lovetone stuff) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:07 PM -0600 3/20/04, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >Are there any other Eclipse users on the list besides David Coffin? Yes. H3000 DSP4000 Orville -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 21 11:23:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2LG0ck20943; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:00:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:00:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:59:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Eventides (Was: Re: Lovetone stuff) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0D3XJD.A.HHF.lwbXAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 8:07 PM -0600 3/20/04, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >>Are there any other Eclipse users on the list besides David Coffin? > >Yes. > >H3000 >DSP4000 >Orville I was asking specifically about the Eclipse, since I'm trying to decide between that unit and the DSP 7000. But if I could get an Orville, I would. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 21 11:56:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2LGV1r23814; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:31:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:31:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:30:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Eventides (Was: Re: Lovetone stuff) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1132235837==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1132235837==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:59 AM -0600 3/21/04, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >I was asking specifically about the Eclipse, since I'm trying to >decide between that unit and the DSP 7000. But if I could get an >Orville, I would. Sorry. I scanned your message quickly and didn't notice "Eclipse" hiding among the references to DSP7000 and Orville. If you don't need advanced looping capability and you don't need to design your own algorithms, then get the Eclipse. It's cheaper, smaller, and has higher audio quality than the DSP7000. Eclipse also gives you two effects engines. It does have looping, but only on a basic level. It does not have sampling. I also believe that its user interface and external control architecture is more consistently set up than the 7000, and therefore should be quicker to learn and operate. I say this without an in-depth study of either device, but in general the older Eventides have been a bit ungainly compared to newer models. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1132235837==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Eventides (Was: Re: Lovetone stuff)
At 9:59 AM -0600 3/21/04, Jeff Shirkey wrote:

I was asking specifically about the Eclipse, since I'm trying to decide between that unit and the DSP 7000. But if I could get an Orville, I would.

Sorry. I scanned your message quickly and didn't notice "Eclipse" hiding among the references to DSP7000 and Orville.

If you don't need advanced looping capability and you don't need to design your own algorithms, then get the Eclipse. It's cheaper, smaller, and has higher audio quality than the DSP7000. Eclipse also gives you two effects engines. It does have looping, but only on a basic level. It does not have sampling.

I also believe that its user interface and external control architecture is more consistently set up than the 7000, and therefore should be quicker to learn and operate. I say this without an in-depth study of either device, but in general the older Eventides have been a bit ungainly compared to newer models.
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Richard Zvonar, PhD      
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http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1132235837==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 21 12:54:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2LHSpv02435; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:28:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:28:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <405DCF3B.9010408@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:22:03 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eventides (Was: Re: Lovetone stuff) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Richard, is Eclipse sounding better than 7000 ? By my experience it seems to sound as it had a sort of "midrange boost" that is making guitar players more happy with it than with the flat response of the Orville. I'd like to know your point of view. Thanks, Luca _______________ www.unguitar.com |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| asterion@hell.com wrote: > At 9:59 AM -0600 3/21/04, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >> I was asking specifically about the Eclipse, since I'm trying to >> decide between that unit and the DSP 7000. But if I could get an >> Orville, I would. > > > Sorry. I scanned your message quickly and didn't notice "Eclipse" > hiding among the references to DSP7000 and Orville. > > If you don't need advanced looping capability and you don't need to > design your own algorithms, then get the Eclipse. It's cheaper, > smaller, and has higher audio quality than the DSP7000. Eclipse also > gives you two effects engines. It does have looping, but only on a > basic level. It does not have sampling. > > I also believe that its user interface and external control > architecture is more consistently set up than the 7000, and therefore > should be quicker to learn and operate. I say this without an in-depth > study of either device, but in general the older Eventides have been a > bit ungainly compared to newer models. > >-- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 21 13:20:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2LHt7M09239; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:55:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:55:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <405DCF3B.9010408@unguitar.com> References: <405DCF3B.9010408@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:54:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Eventides (Was: Re: Lovetone stuff) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1132230791==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1132230791==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:22 PM +0100 3/21/04, Luca Formentini wrote: >is Eclipse sounding better than 7000 ? >By my experience it seems to sound as it had a sort of "midrange >boost" that is making guitar players more happy with it than with >the flat response of the Orville. I was speaking theoretically, since it is claimed by Eventide to have equivalent specs to Orville. However, now that I look at the Eventide site I realize that the DSP7000 has the same specs! I must have been thinking about the DSP4000 family. http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/especs.htm http://www.eventide.com/profaud/orvillespec.htm http://www.eventide.com/profaud/7kspec.htm So forget what I stupidly said about having better audio quality. The main differences are functional. As to a midrange boost, this is not mentioned in Eventide's product descriptions. Is your experience based on a controlled A/B listening test? I did a search on "eclipse" and "midrange" on the Eventide Yahoo groups but found nothing. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1132230791==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Eventides (Was: Re: Lovetone stuff)
At 6:22 PM +0100 3/21/04, Luca Formentini wrote:

is Eclipse sounding better than 7000 ?
By my experience it seems to sound as it had a sort of "midrange boost" that is making guitar players more happy with it than with the flat response of the Orville.

I was speaking theoretically, since it is claimed by Eventide to have equivalent specs to Orville. However, now that I look at the Eventide site I realize that the DSP7000 has the same specs! I must have been thinking about the DSP4000 family.

http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/especs.htm

http://www.eventide.com/profaud/orvillespec.htm

http://www.eventide.com/profaud/7kspec.htm

So forget what I stupidly said about having better audio quality.  The main differences are functional.

As to a midrange boost, this is not mentioned in Eventide's product descriptions. Is your experience based on a controlled A/B listening test? I did a search on "eclipse" and "midrange" on the Eventide Yahoo groups but found nothing.
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______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1132230791==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 21 13:20:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2LI0AQ12016; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:00:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:00:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tom@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:59:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Eventides (Was: Re: Lovetone stuff) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <31wGZ.A.n7C.qgdXAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >An Orville would be overkill for me, even though I know it'd be >incredible. If I can find a way to get the 7000, I will, though. Are >there any other Eclipse users on the list besides David Coffin? I'm an Eclipse user but I haven't delved into it the way I have with my other gear... I share it with someone else, you see. >Also, since I've been pricing Eventide gear, I know a place that is >blowing out the one Orville they have in stock. It was a special >order gone bad, and they need to get rid of it. So if anyone is >looking for one, give me a shout. Wish I could spring for it, but >there's just no way. Oh, dear -- how much? /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 21 13:56:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2LIspv29518; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:54:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:54:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <405DE35A.4010009@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:47:54 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eventides (Was: Re: Lovetone stuff) References: <405DCF3B.9010408@unguitar.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0vsye.A.GNH.7TeXAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com asterion@hell.com wrote: > As to a midrange boost, this is not mentioned in Eventide's product > descriptions. Is your experience based on a controlled A/B listening > test? I did a search on "eclipse" and "midrange" on the Eventide Yahoo > groups but found nothing. Yes, I was testing Orville & Eclipse side by side (you know there are several algos which are the same in the both). I was noticing more "wideness" in Orville and more "thickness" in the Eclipse; that's why I've been talking about midrangey-ness. This is just a personal and subjective opinion, I didn't analized the sound through any eq/spectrum analyzer. The eclipse gives a fast satisfaction with its preamps (I tested it with guitar), but you can replicate the result with some tweaking on the Orville. I guess it's a matter of different converters. luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 21 18:00:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2LMw2q21110; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:58:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:58:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20040321145440.01c72d40@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix2004@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:57:45 -0800 To: "Looper's Delight" From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Loopstock 2004 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please mark your calendar... Loopstock 2004 Saturday, May 1st 2004 Sweet Springs Saloon Los Osos, CA USA Same, but different: http://www.armatronix.com More to follow... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 21 18:29:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2LNRnr26416; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:27:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:27:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:43:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Notify about your e-mail account utilization. From: Are-Jay Hoffmann To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <405C70D5.7040605@soundscapes.us> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3162732188_220187_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3162732188_220187_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 3/20/04 9:27 AM, Bill Fox at billyfox@soundscapes.us wrote: Michael Peters wrote: the attachment in that mail contains a virus of course. And the worst thing is, with the signature below, it looks like a mail that wasn't generated automatically, but written manually, to spread the virus. I really wonder who does things like that, and why. Just imagine all the thought and effort that is required to find new ways to spread spam, viruses, and worms. I find these cyber-terrorists as utterly incomprehensible as suicide bombers. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that enemies of the free western world are behind some of the problem. Anything to disrupt our pleasant lives and waste our time and resources. They really need to get some loopers and make something beautiful instead! With 1% of the effort redirected to looping would produce an amazing amount of art. The other 99% could be redirected towards getting an education, working hard at jobs, helping the less fortunate, and peacefully lobbying for their goals instead of setting off bombs and computer viruses. The rest of us would probably start listening to them instead of shaking our heads in wonder/disgust. They force me to work hard not to hate them, not to seeth at their insane actions. Bill Fox excellant words. its easy to only watch the news and hate everything. our route of tolerance (along with confusion) is truely a challenging path. i say "whatever doesnt infuriate you, makes you stronger". take care. keep up the good work. Are-Jay looper bassist/violinist/drummer (in that order) --MS_Mac_OE_3162732188_220187_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Notify about your e-mail account utilization. on 3/20/04 9:27 AM, Bill Fox at billyfox@soundscapes.us wrote:

Michael Peters wrote:
the attachment in that mail contains a virus of course. And the= worst thing
is, with the signature below, it looks like a mail that wasn't generated automatically, but written manually, to spread the virus. I really wonder who does things like that, and why.
 
Just imagine all the thought and effort that is required to fi= nd new ways to spread spam, viruses, and worms.  I find these cyber-ter= rorists as utterly incomprehensible as suicide bombers.  In fact, I wou= ldn't be surprised to find out that enemies of the free western world are be= hind some of the problem.  Anything to disrupt our pleasant lives and w= aste our time and resources.  They really need to get some loopers and = make something beautiful instead! With 1% of the effort redirected to loopin= g would produce an amazing amount of art.  The other 99% could be redir= ected towards getting an education, working hard at jobs, helping the less f= ortunate, and peacefully lobbying for their goals instead of setting off bom= bs and computer viruses.  The rest of us would probably start listening= to them instead of shaking our heads in wonder/disgust.  They force me= to work hard not to hate them, not to seeth at their insane actions.

Bill Fox


excellant words. its easy to only watch the news and hate everything. our r= oute of tolerance (along with confusion) is truely a challenging path. i say= "whatever doesnt infuriate you, makes you stronger". take care. k= eep up the good work.

          Are-Jay
          
          looper
          bassist/violin= ist/drummer (in that order) --MS_Mac_OE_3162732188_220187_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 21 19:34:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2M0WLX07779; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:32:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:32:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c40fa5$a04cba60$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <01C40F36.8D379FE0@dyn-83-157-129-108.ppp.tiscali.fr> Subject: Re: C'est What? Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:35:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seems to be a problem. Bounced again. No record of any bounces from my ISP re LD though. although I have not gotten any "bounced" messages, I have also noticed very low LD traffic these days (less than 3 messages a day, sometimes 0, which sounds quite calm) and was wondering wether it is just a moment when no one has something to say, or if something else is happening... Francois check some samples on http://1000.times.free.fr/ -----Message d'origine----- De: Steve Goodman [SMTP:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Date: dimanche 21 mars 2004 02:24 Ŕ: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: C'est What? Okay, I'll top-post too. Recently the email filter at Greatbasin has blocked subjects of: -- E-mail account security warning. -- Notify about using the e-mail account. -- Warning about your e-mail account. -- Important notify about your e-mail account. -- Email account utilization warning. -- Notify about your e-mail account utilization. -- E-mail account disabling warning. I wouldn't call that "badly-designed" nor "anti-virus scripting". Also I see only one notice of a bounce, together with one for something else: >spgoodman@earthlight.net > (reason: 553 5.5.3 The subject of your message is commonly used by the Bagel virus. We are temporarily blocki...top this worm. Please change the subject line of your email and resend. Thank you for your patience.) >pg@patrickgrant.net > (reason: 579 message content is not acceptable here) Sounds a little more complicated than what you say it is, actually. > nope, just you. badly designed anti-virus script on your server bounces > legit emails. > kim > > At 02:35 PM 3/20/2004, Steve Goodman wrote: > >"Your mail address spgoodman@earthlight.net has been removed > >from the Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com mailinglist. > >It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails." > > > >Now, I know that my carrier fairadsl.co.uk had a few problems today, but I > >also haven't been getting ANYTHING from the LD list today, prior to the > >downage this afternoon (morning your time in CA). And my last message to > >the list was on the 9th, about a previously-proposed London Looping show > >(still wondering why no responses to THAT one). > > > >Anyone else have this happen? > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 21 21:57:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2M2tRW00316; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:55:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:55:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: 34One Report Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:55:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C40F76.0CC437C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQPuRqwahjHuSzHTvC7hytFW7OWrQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20040322025519.VHSU19401.fed1mtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C40F76.0CC437C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gear people-- I have been trying my new MIDI Tap Tempo pedal in a variety of uses (in my very spare time) and have found it to be useful in general--I have yet to try it in my "major pain to move" loop set up, but I just tried in my Alesis SR-16 drum machine (the unit Rick Walker has made me afraid to use in his presence) and it does a very interesting thing! First two taps set the tempo, third tap starts the machine, and subsequent taps alter the tempo. This is cool! This could change everything (oh Lord) . . . So I recommend that anyone interested in MIDI clock invest in one . . . Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C40F76.0CC437C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = gear=20 people--
I have = been trying=20 my new MIDI Tap Tempo pedal in a variety of uses (in my very spare time) = and=20 have found it to be useful in general--I have yet to try it in my "major = pain to=20 move" loop set up, but I just tried in my Alesis SR-16 drum machine (the = unit=20 Rick Walker has made me afraid to use in his presence) and it does a = very=20 interesting thing!
First = two taps set=20 the tempo, third tap starts the machine, and subsequent taps alter the=20 tempo.  This is cool!  This could change everything (oh Lord) = . .=20 .
So I = recommend that=20 anyone interested in MIDI clock invest in one . . .
Gary
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C40F76.0CC437C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 22 01:13:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2M6B5C32219; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:11:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:11:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:09:44 -0800 Subject: SR-16 (was Re: 34One Report) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040322025519.VHSU19401.fed1mtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3162751851_19040828" Resent-Message-ID: <1Zvf5D.A.U3H.5NoXAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3162751851_19040828 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Oh, come now. The SR-16 works perfectly well if you feed it through a Line6 FM4 and/or the distortion section of an Electrix MoFX. (I=B9ll sell the FM4 i= f you want it since I=B9m having fun with the processed drum beats, but I haven=B9t figured out how to fit it into my act as it were.) Mark on 3/21/04 6:55 PM, Gary Lehmann at hqr@cox.net wrote: > Hi gear people-- > I have been trying my new MIDI Tap Tempo pedal in a variety of uses (in m= y > very spare time) and have found it to be useful in general--I have yet to= try > it in my "major pain to move" loop set up, but I just tried in my Alesis = SR-16 > drum machine (the unit Rick Walker has made me afraid to use in his prese= nce) > and it does a very interesting thing! > First two taps set the tempo, third tap starts the machine, and subsequen= t > taps alter the tempo. This is cool! This could change everything (oh Lo= rd) . > . . > So I recommend that anyone interested in MIDI clock invest in one . . . > Gary >=20 --B_3162751851_19040828 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable SR-16 (was Re: 34One Report) Oh, come now. The SR-16 works perfectly well if you fe= ed it through a Line6 FM4 and/or the distortion section of an Electrix MoFX.= (I’ll sell the FM4 if you want it since I’m having fun with the= processed drum beats, but I haven’t figured out how to fit it into my= act as it were.)

Mark

on 3/21/04 6:55 PM, Gary Lehmann at hqr@cox.net wrote:

Hi gear people--
I have been trying my new MIDI Tap Tempo pedal in a variety of uses (in my = very spare time) and have found it to be useful in general--I have yet to tr= y it in my "major pain to move" loop set up, but I just tried in m= y Alesis SR-16 drum machine (the unit Rick Walker has made me afraid to use = in his presence) and it does a very interesting thing!
First two taps set the tempo, third tap starts the machine, and subsequent = taps alter the tempo.  This is cool!  This could change everything= (oh Lord) . . .
So I recommend that anyone interested in MIDI clock invest in one . . .
Gary


 --B_3162751851_19040828-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 22 04:05:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2M92Na04096; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:02:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:02:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9D354A20-7BDF-11D8-8EE8-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Eventides (Was: Re: Lovetone stuff) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:02:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <5u380B.A.4_.fuqXAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 20, 2004, at 8:07 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Are there any other Eclipse users on the list besides David Coffin? i don't count as an Eclipse user, but i do have a 3000SE. i love it. however, my next Eventide will be an Eclipse (though i wish it were two spaces, i'm not into that tiny keypad. the 3000 has me spoiled). i've used both, they have similar interfaces. however, some of the algorithms are not available on the Eclipse that are on the 3000. and, the Eclipse can do many many things that the 3000 can't. the Eclipse also has the nicest display i've ever seen on a piece of equipment, better than the PCM-80 even. I happen to like the way scrolling through patchlists makes the 3000 mod routings glitch ... i think it's a cool effect. i also like the effects so much that i'm buying an 828 mkII to use as a looping rig brain, so i have access to the Eventide and PCM-80 for mixing in Performer as well as looping. right now the effects are wired into the 828 as i'm recording/producing 2 separate bands. using one Eventide or Lexicon effect on a track sounds so much better than 5 plug ins it's not even funny. the processor load on my computer has been completely lightened ... i have projects with 20 tracks, and only 3 or 4 plugins (eq and dynamics) for the whole project. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 22 12:04:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2MGvhb26985; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:57:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:57:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Eventides, especially Eclipses Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:02:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c4102f$81a15dc0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <9D354A20-7BDF-11D8-8EE8-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3NiekB.A.glG.HsxXAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To chime in on the lengthy Eventide discussions here: I've come to the conclusion that I need an Eclipse. What is a good price for one (new or repack w/ full warranty), and where can I get it (from a place that ships to Germany and accepts credit card payments)? Thanks, Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 22 21:22:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2N2HgV14210; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:17:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:17:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:18:59 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam: Subscape Annex 23 March 2004, Winston-Salem NC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My improvisational industrial/ambient looping soundscape trio Subscape Annex is playing Tuesday night (23 March 2004) at PS211 in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. We'll be playing with local industrial musicians Clockwerk and ambient musician Skincage from Arizona. We're looking forward to the show. If you're in the area and stop by, say hello: I'm probably the only Chapman Stick or theremin player on stage there tomorrow night. obLoop: I regularly use an Akai Headrush, an RC-20 LoopStation and a Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky in performance, and Skincage is probably familiar to some of us here on Loopers-delight from the Repeater maillist. Cover is $6, showtime is 9pm to midnight. For more information (directions, band links and such), look here: http://www.ps211.org/2004/PublicCalendar2.php?recordID=1074895383 or here: http://www.subscapeannex.com/shows.html Venue: http://www.ps211.org/ Skincage: http://www.skincage.com/ Clockwerk http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/clockwerk.htm best, Steve, Anthony, and Rob Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 23 10:41:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2NFdhG07122; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:39:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:39:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: FS: Lexicon Jamman with 32 second capability Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:37:27 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FS: Lexicon Jamman with 32 second capability Thread-Index: AcQQ7L7UzYVWlE5WRcqJ6zFDVRdVjg== From: "Reinaldo Perez" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2NFcvo07011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've got a Lexicon Jamman that I just haven't been using any longer. I don't really want to part with it but I've made the decision not to hold gear that I honestly am not getting the most out of. It's never been out of my home studio and is in pristine condition. It comes with 32 seconds of memory, the manual, ac adaptor and one dual-control foot pedal. Asking price is $550 plus s/h. If interested, please contact me via the information below. Thanks. Reinaldo Perez 212-307-7817 r.perez@atlanticphilanthropies.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 23 17:39:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2NMaO218602; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:36:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:36:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4060BA80.6060207@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:30:24 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: preset copy from edp to edp References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8PQDqC.A.bfE.SuLYAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi dear loopers, is there any way to transmit presets (with loop IV on both edps) from one edp to another ? I mean without saving it to midifile and send it to the other machine. Thanks, Luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 23 18:35:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2NNVP428353; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:31:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:31:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <4060BA80.6060207@unguitar.com> References: <4060BA80.6060207@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: DD-20: looper Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:29:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: <7A1ryD.A.D2G.2hMYAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone here utilise the Boss DD-20 as a polymetric layered ambient looper? i was playing with it last night and realised that you could have, say, an 11 second loop running and then advance to the next memory location (where you'd have say a 7 second delay stored) and start writing into that, while the initial 11 second loop runs alongside it indefinitely. it will only clear that initial delay memory when you advance to the _next_ register after that. if you stored a series of opposing prime-number delay times in the memory registers you could easily move seamlessly from one pair of loops to the next in an ambient context ... in one pedal. i really like how the on/off switch is not a bypass but an input switch for the delay line. that's pretty cool. it makes this pedal actually useful to me, though it would be far more usefull if the "effect level" knob was a true mix control for something other than the reverse mode. judging from the behaviour of the effect level knob, i don't see how Analogman can mod this for a dry kill switch. if i used two of them i would want them to be all wet so i could do my mixing elsewhere (like my 828 mkII) i suppose i could always put one of them out-of-phase and hope that they are completely identical. i still like the PCM-80 more, but man for 200 bucks or whatever this is, it's very nice. i can see buying one of these for the Hammond rig. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 23 20:34:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2O1WX414016; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:32:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:32:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0560D57B-7D33-11D8-AA4D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig Spam: Seattle Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:31:49 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a few shows coming up this week. I'll be playing acoustic guitar and making heavy use of the EDP: Wednesday, March 24, 7PM Coffee Messiah (1554 E. Olive Way) Thursday, March 25, 7:30PM Penny Cafe (1707 NW Market) Friday, March 26, 8PM El Diablo Coffeehouse (1811 Queen Anne Avenue North) Saturday, March 27, 2-4PM Tully's Coffee (1401 4th Avenue) Saturday, March 27, 7-9PM Starbucks (Bellevue) (10214 NE 8th St.) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 24 15:31:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2OKLN424054; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:21:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:21:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040324140649.049140b8@pine.f5.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:19:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Yamaha UD-Stomp vs. Magic Stomp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Slightly OT, but not completely... I was wondering if anybody has had a chance to do an A/B comparison between Yamaha's UD-Stomp uber-delay, and their new Magic Stomp pedal (which is supposed to incorporate the functions of both the UD- & DG-Stomp's into a smaller form factor, as well as some 'vintage' SPX-90 algorithms). What are your thoughts, particularly regarding the sound quality? Alternately, I know several people here picked up the UD-Stomp's when they were being blown out a while back. What are your impressions with the pedal now that you've been able to kick it around for a couple of months? I can still find a UD-Stomp or two around (albeit not at the blowout prices. argh!), and I'm trying to make up my mind whether to stick with the older model or go for the new Magic Stomp. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 24 15:42:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2OKbEf27128; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:37:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:37:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010201c411df$894de820$e0154ed5@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: London gig spam Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:35:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, I've got a gig Thursday 25th march (either tomorrow or today, depending on when you read this), with Theo Travis (saxophonist on my last CD), at the Bodrum Cafe in Stoke Newington. Details are on my site. It's Ł5 to get in, and starts about 8.30pm. Much looping will be evident all evening. Thanks to those of you who came out to the gigs with Michael Manring this last week. This was probably the most fun tour I've ever done. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 24 17:09:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2OM2iI17196; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:02:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:02:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:02:16 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping Delay Pedal Advice Needed (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A friend on a local mailing list I'm on asked this, so I thought I'd forward the message here. Any responses I'll send back to him. Any suggestions? best, Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hello All, I am a guitarist from Chapel Hill and my old delay pedal has recently died and I need to replace it. I am looking for some advice. The old pedal was an ancient Digitech PDS-1002. It had the following two features that I need; 1. Rather than starting and stopping a loop, it had an infinite repeat switch that infinitely repeated whatever was currently being delayed. This was much better for creating loops in real time, especially in a group situation. I liked it for Bill Frisell-esque loop creation. 2. Once the loop was created, you could adjust the delay time knob and change the pitch and speed. This allowed you to play the pedal and create very trippy stuff. I have another delay pedal (the Line 6 Delay Modeller, so if I could get these functions in a looping pedal, I still have an option for straight delay. I was hoping to buy something new rather than sinking money intop a 15 year old pedal on EBay. Thanks, Bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 24 19:37:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2P0ZkX20549; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:35:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:35:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:36:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ritsu Katsumata Subject: HELP on EDP and the FC-200!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-PMX-Version: 4.5.0.90627, Antispam-Core: 4.0.4.92622, Antispam-Data: 2004.3.24.95170 Resent-Message-ID: <-5BIKC.A.q_E.0kiYAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all you looping pros-- I'm a proud, very new owner of an EDP (beige-- I couldn't find a new one in stock) So after finding that the foot controller it came with was already busted, I bought the Roland FC-200, on a friend's recommendation. Being a total novice on the programming end, I found Kim's web site on how to program the midi foot controller is way too advanced for me-- I need to know REALLY basic things like, do I need one or two cables going between the EDP and FC 200? If anyone out there has a quick "how to" for me, it would be greatly appreciated. Also, if anyone is in or near Ithaca, New York and can come by to help me, I'd be willing to pay a modest consultation fee. My whole gear is: Electric violin, Midi Violin and Controller, Acoustic violin with pickup TC Electronics G Force Echoplex Mackie 1202 Roland FC 200 Boss LoopStation (for pre recorded loops) Thanks-- Ritsu http://www.ritsu.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 24 19:53:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2P0pfm23047; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:51:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:51:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40622B52.F1A7D38C@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:44:03 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HELP on EDP and the FC-200!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ritsu, Ritsu Katsumata wrote: > I need to know REALLY basic things like, do I need one or two > cables going between the EDP and FC 200? One MIDI cable from MIDI out on the footpedal to MIDI in on the Echoplex is all you need. > If anyone out there has a quick "how to" for me, it would be greatly > appreciated. You need to set the MIDI controller to send either Note or CC messages which correspond to different Echoplex functions. If you use Note commands on the footpedal, set the "ControlSource" parameter to "Note." If you use CC commands, set "ControlSource" to "Control." Check the Echoplex instruction manual for whichever software version you're using, and find the chart (should be under MIDI implementation) that shows the different offset values for each function. Hopefully this will get you started at least... Good luck! --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 24 21:34:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2P2VoZ07651; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:31:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:31:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c41211$64d45ec0$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040324140649.049140b8@pine.f5.com> Subject: Re: Yamaha UD-Stomp vs. Magic Stomp Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:32:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey: I bought a UD-Stomp at the blowout price. The sound quality is great but the pedal has a flaky control idiom. To change patches/banks, you have to get the hang of the button presses properly. When I haven't used the pedal for a while, I seem to forget the proper sequence (perhaps the result of an improperly spent youth) and have to refer to the manual. In other words it's not intuitive. 'gards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catilyne" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Yamaha UD-Stomp vs. Magic Stomp > Slightly OT, but not completely... > > I was wondering if anybody has had a chance to do an A/B comparison between > Yamaha's UD-Stomp uber-delay, and their new Magic Stomp pedal (which is > supposed to incorporate the functions of both the UD- & DG-Stomp's into a > smaller form factor, as well as some 'vintage' SPX-90 algorithms). What > are your thoughts, particularly regarding the sound quality? > > Alternately, I know several people here picked up the UD-Stomp's when they > were being blown out a while back. What are your impressions with the > pedal now that you've been able to kick it around for a couple of months? > > I can still find a UD-Stomp or two around (albeit not at the blowout > prices. argh!), and I'm trying to make up my mind whether to stick with the > older model or go for the new Magic Stomp. > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 25 00:35:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2P5XMv06978; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:33:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:33:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Yamaha UD-Stomp vs. Magic Stomp Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:31:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQSEjmzVRcVzbqoSweTiobEkwmC3gAF157Q In-Reply-To: <005501c41211$64d45ec0$885bd618@knology.net> Message-Id: <20040325053201.SUAU2428.fed1mtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-- I had the UD for 6 weeks, really liked the modulations and enjoyed the loop possibilities--but sold it again so I could buy the 34One Tap Tempo pedal. Bottom line for me was, it didn't use MIDI clock, and it was tough to get to the tap tempo section--same with the sampling section--same with changing patches without MIDI. So my report is, the sound is great but the interface was not. BTW, that is the same thing I hear about the Magic Stomp! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Paul [mailto:paulrichard10@knology.net] Hey: I bought a UD-Stomp at the blowout price. The sound quality is great but the pedal has a flaky control idiom. To change patches/banks, you have to get the hang of the button presses properly. When I haven't used the pedal for a while, I seem to forget the proper sequence (perhaps the result of an improperly spent youth) and have to refer to the manual. In other words it's not intuitive. 'gards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catilyne" > > Alternately, I know several people here picked up the UD-Stomp's when > they were being blown out a while back. What are your impressions > with the pedal now that you've been able to kick it around for a couple of months? > > I can still find a UD-Stomp or two around (albeit not at the blowout > prices. argh!), and I'm trying to make up my mind whether to stick > with the > older model or go for the new Magic Stomp. > > -c- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 25 03:15:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2P87IS29204; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:07:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:07:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Looping Delay Pedal Advice Needed (fwd) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:06:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQR7GPy57xl4scmR6KZfBuHvb2qOgAUZxRA In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20040325080641.UNAX2428.fed1mtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----> I recommend the Digitech DFX94--long out of production, I saw Matt Davignon using two of 'em and snagged one off eBay. It does the pitch shift and has a number of other cool options, including trigger, sampling and a hold function--it's similar to the others Digitech has made. Didn't see one just now but did find this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3713424335&category=41415 All the old Digitech pedals probably do what you need, and I bet not many modern units do--the Repeater lets you change pitch, but it's prbably not what you want either. I do see loads of used PDS-1002s tho--if you liked it, snag another--they are going cheap! Gary Steve at Subscape Annex wrote: A friend on a local mailing list I'm on asked this, so I thought I'd forward the message here. Any responses I'll send back to him. Any suggestions? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hello All, I am a guitarist from Chapel Hill and my old delay pedal has recently died and I need to replace it. I am looking for some advice. The old pedal was an ancient Digitech PDS-1002. It had the following two features that I need; 1. Rather than starting and stopping a loop, it had an infinite repeat switch that infinitely repeated whatever was currently being delayed. This was much better for creating loops in real time, especially in a group situation. I liked it for Bill Frisell-esque loop creation. 2. Once the loop was created, you could adjust the delay time knob and change the pitch and speed. This allowed you to play the pedal and create very trippy stuff. I have another delay pedal (the Line 6 Delay Modeller, so if I could get these functions in a looping pedal, I still have an option for straight delay. I was hoping to buy something new rather than sinking money intop a 15 year old pedal on EBay. Thanks, Bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 25 08:18:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2PDEcR04290; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:14:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:14:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: HELP on EDP and the FC-200!! Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:13:43 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: HELP on EDP and the FC-200!! Thread-Index: AcQSA2gYnzXoPLbhRuGKfBXh8GTTRQAZrppQ From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2004 13:13:43.0910 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFB4F860:01C4126A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2PDDoo04202 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > If anyone out there has a quick "how to" for me, it would be greatly > > appreciated. > > You need to set the MIDI controller to send either Note or CC messages > which correspond to different Echoplex functions. The FC-200 has a "mode" button (the small rectangular black button right under the display). After powering up the FC-200, hit that button once to put it into "CC" mode or twice to put it into "Note" mode. Now all of the pedals on the FC-200 are either sending CC messages or Note On/Off messages depending on the mode. I'm going to assume that you have the manual for the FC-200 because you are going to have to do some setup work on the foot controller and it's not obvious how this is done. If you don't, I strongly advise calling Roland and getting one (you can do this for about $12). What you do after that depends on whether you want to control the EDP with CC messages or Note On/Off messages. I use CC messages and the key there is making sure that all of the pedals are set to "momentary" meaning they send a value when the pedal is pushed and another value when the pedal is released. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 25 09:07:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2PE4Ga12275; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:04:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:04:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Looping Delay Pedal Advice Needed (fwd) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:02:24 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looping Delay Pedal Advice Needed (fwd) Thread-Index: AcQR62eWnmqWOpPpTA6+ilPyORC2XwAhhf/A From: "Reinaldo Perez" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2PE3xo12223 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Digitech RDS 8000 pedal which sounds like it would do what you're looking for. It samples/loops for 8 seconds. I never use it any more so I'd be wiling to sell it if your interested. If so, contact me at r.perez@atlanticphilanthropies.org or 646-710-0659. Reinaldo Perez MIS Associate The Atlantic Philanthropies, Inc. 125 Park Avenue, 21st Floor New York, New York 10017 -----Original Message----- From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 5:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping Delay Pedal Advice Needed (fwd) A friend on a local mailing list I'm on asked this, so I thought I'd forward the message here. Any responses I'll send back to him. Any suggestions? best, Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hello All, I am a guitarist from Chapel Hill and my old delay pedal has recently died and I need to replace it. I am looking for some advice. The old pedal was an ancient Digitech PDS-1002. It had the following two features that I need; 1. Rather than starting and stopping a loop, it had an infinite repeat switch that infinitely repeated whatever was currently being delayed. This was much better for creating loops in real time, especially in a group situation. I liked it for Bill Frisell-esque loop creation. 2. Once the loop was created, you could adjust the delay time knob and change the pitch and speed. This allowed you to play the pedal and create very trippy stuff. I have another delay pedal (the Line 6 Delay Modeller, so if I could get these functions in a looping pedal, I still have an option for straight delay. I was hoping to buy something new rather than sinking money intop a 15 year old pedal on EBay. Thanks, Bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 25 12:14:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2PHCJb10805; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:12:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:12:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040325171206.13132.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:12:06 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: HELP on EDP and the FC-200!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <40622B52.F1A7D38C@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Andre LaFosse wrote: > Hi Ritsu, > > Ritsu Katsumata wrote: > > I need to know REALLY basic things like, do I need one or two > > cables going between the EDP and FC 200? > > One MIDI cable from MIDI out on the footpedal to MIDI in on the Echoplex > is all you need. And make sure that they are both set to the same MIDI channel (there are 16 available). The FC200 should be transmitting on the same channel the EDP is receiving. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 25 13:00:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2PHuOS17316; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:56:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:56:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040325114235.04b45e20@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:55:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: RE: Yamaha UD-Stomp vs. Magic Stomp In-Reply-To: <20040325053201.SUAU2428.fed1mtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <005501c41211$64d45ec0$885bd618@knology.net> <20040325053201.SUAU2428.fed1mtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary & Paul, Thanks for the feedback! I wasn't aware that there were so many interface issues with the UD. In fact, when I divided the arguments into columns for pros & cons on each unit, I inadvertently gave the UD higher marks for interface (this was based mainly upon the many parameter knobs). Sounds like even that can't simplify working with it, though. The biggest thing aggravating me about the Magic Stomp is the lack of any realtime MIDI control. I was thinking that you might be able to fudge something by running a MIDI pedal into a laptop, then using the editing software on the laptop to send the parameter changes along to the pedal (ick! that's ugly). However, after going through the software manual, I'm not sure if even that would work. I'm also not too crazy about the DG settings in the Magic Stomp demos, so I don't know how much I'd get out of that section. On the other hand, the Magic Stomp is half the weight of the UD, and is currently about half the price I'd now have to pay for a UD. <*grrrrr*> Thanks again! -c- At 11:31 PM 3/24/2004, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >Hi-- >I had the UD for 6 weeks, really liked the modulations and enjoyed the loop >possibilities--but sold it again so I could buy the 34One Tap Tempo pedal. >Bottom line for me was, it didn't use MIDI clock, and it was tough to get to >the tap tempo section--same with the sampling section--same with changing >patches without MIDI. So my report is, the sound is great but the interface >was not. BTW, that is the same thing I hear about the Magic Stomp! >Gary > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul [mailto:paulrichard10@knology.net] > >Hey: > >I bought a UD-Stomp at the blowout price. The sound quality is great but the >pedal has a flaky control idiom. To change patches/banks, you have to get >the hang of the button presses properly. When I haven't used the pedal for >a while, I seem to forget the proper sequence (perhaps the result of an >improperly spent youth) and have to refer to the manual. In other words it's >not intuitive. > >'gards, Paul > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Catilyne" > > > > > > Alternately, I know several people here picked up the UD-Stomp's when > > they were being blown out a while back. What are your impressions > > with the pedal now that you've been able to kick it around for a couple of >months? > > > > I can still find a UD-Stomp or two around (albeit not at the blowout > > prices. argh!), and I'm trying to make up my mind whether to stick > > with >the > > older model or go for the new Magic Stomp. > > > > -c- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 25 13:00:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2PHwG117628; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:58:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:58:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40631D5D.7030605@biink.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:56:45 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: 3/27/2004 Brooklyn looping concert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *An Evening of Improvisation* *Time:* 7 pm *Date:* Saturday, March 27, 2004 *Place:* Loren's loft, directions below. *Musicians:* line up: Sukato -- ukelele, darabukkah, plectrum violin, and voice. David Beardsley -- just-intoned guitars, steel guitar and loops. Loren Dempster - cello This concert will be at Loren Dempster's loft in East Williamsburg. Bring a friend. Bring ten friends. This is a free concert (though there will be a donation basket for those who wish to give). *DIRECTIONS (via subway ): * *From the L train:* Get off at "Morgan Avenue" stop. Exit out front of train platform. Exit sharp right of station lobby, you will be at corner of Morgan and Harrison Place. Left down Harrison Place, (if you hit Knickerbocker, you went the wrong way) right on Bogart, left on Boerum. 304 Boerum, buzz 11 to get in. *From J, M, or Z trains:* Get off "Flushing Avenue" stop. Walk northeast on Flushing left on Bushwick, right on Boerum. 304 Boerum, buzz 11 to get in. -- OR -- Marcy Ave, walk to bus barn area, get B61, get out at Morgan ave L stop and use directions above. http://biink.com/db -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 25 13:41:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2PIbg427819; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:37:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:37:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: 25 Mar 2004 18:37:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20040325183726.32474.qmail@webmail2.knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Yamaha UD-Stomp vs. Magic Stomp References: <> In-Reply-To: <> X-Mailer: Knology Webmail Nov 2001 Release X-IPAddress: 198.78.253.20 X-Sender: Paulrichard10@knology.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <6tWONC.A.xxG.mbyYAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI, Catilyne: Don't let the inefficient interface scare you off. It IS a very nice unit, particularly for the blow-out price Musicians Friend was selling it for a little while back. For $400, though, if that's what they;re at now (did you say they were double the Magic Stomp?), I'd think about other options ( i.e. rack mounts et al). Regards, Paul On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:55:29 -0600, Catilyne wrote : > Gary & Paul, > > Thanks for the feedback! I wasn't aware that there were so many interface > issues with the UD. In fact, when I divided the arguments into columns for > pros & cons on each unit, I inadvertently gave the UD higher marks for > interface (this was based mainly upon the many parameter knobs). Sounds > like even that can't simplify working with it, though. > > The biggest thing aggravating me about the Magic Stomp is the lack of any > realtime MIDI control. I was thinking that you might be able to fudge > something by running a MIDI pedal into a laptop, then using the editing > software on the laptop to send the parameter changes along to the pedal > (ick! that's ugly). However, after going through the software manual, I'm > not sure if even that would work. > > I'm also not too crazy about the DG settings in the Magic Stomp demos, so I > don't know how much I'd get out of that section. On the other hand, the > Magic Stomp is half the weight of the UD, and is currently about half the > price I'd now have to pay for a UD. <*grrrrr*> > > Thanks again! > > -c- > > > At 11:31 PM 3/24/2004, Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > >Hi-- > >I had the UD for 6 weeks, really liked the modulations and enjoyed the loop > >possibilities--but sold it again so I could buy the 34One Tap Tempo pedal. > >Bottom line for me was, it didn't use MIDI clock, and it was tough to get to > >the tap tempo section--same with the sampling section--same with changing > >patches without MIDI. So my report is, the sound is great but the interface > >was not. BTW, that is the same thing I hear about the Magic Stomp! > >Gary > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Paul [mailto:paulrichard10@knology.net] > > > >Hey: > > > >I bought a UD-Stomp at the blowout price. The sound quality is great but the > >pedal has a flaky control idiom. To change patches/banks, you have to get > >the hang of the button presses properly. When I haven't used the pedal for > >a while, I seem to forget the proper sequence (perhaps the result of an > >improperly spent youth) and have to refer to the manual. In other words it's > >not intuitive. > > > >'gards, Paul > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Catilyne" > > > > > > > > > > Alternately, I know several people here picked up the UD-Stomp's when > > > they were being blown out a while back. What are your impressions > > > with the pedal now that you've been able to kick it around for a couple of > >months? > > > > > > I can still find a UD-Stomp or two around (albeit not at the blowout > > > prices. argh!), and I'm trying to make up my mind whether to stick > > > with > >the > > > older model or go for the new Magic Stomp. > > > > > > -c- > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 25 14:04:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2PIqaE30270; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:52:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:52:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40632A69.7000301@biink.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:52:25 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yamaha UD-Stomp vs. Magic Stomp References: <> <20040325183726.32474.qmail@webmail2.knology.net> In-Reply-To: <20040325183726.32474.qmail@webmail2.knology.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul wrote: >HI, Catilyne: > >Don't let the inefficient interface scare you off. It IS a very nice unit, >particularly for the blow-out price Musicians Friend was selling it for a >little while back. For $400, though, if that's what they;re at now (did >you say they were double the Magic Stomp?), I'd think about other options >( i.e. rack mounts et al). > By the time I made up my mind to buy one (6 or 7 days), they were sold out. 8( -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 25 14:07:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2PJ3sb01046; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:03:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:03:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040325124649.04a65f88@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:03:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: RE: Yamaha UD-Stomp vs. Magic Stomp In-Reply-To: <20040325183726.32474.qmail@webmail2.knology.net> References: <> <20040325183726.32474.qmail@webmail2.knology.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Current price for the UD is $349 at the Fiend, which is the only place I've found who still has them. I've been keeping an eye on Ebay, but there's some guy who bought up a truckload during the blowout and is matching the MF price with his 'Buy It Now'. That's helping keep the prices high over there as well (can anybody say "Repeater Syndrome"?). As for other options, I generally prefer rack-mount anyway. However, I like the idea of having the 8 independent reconfigurable delays together in one box. There are also some nice touches in the programming (such as the 'Tap' control, and the ability to take the delays out-of-phase for psychoacoustic processing). Still, this isn't so much a concrete *need* on my part, as it is merely a guilty pleasure (I didn't have the cash when they went on blowout, but they still went on my wish list). Maybe I should just wait six months and try to snag one used when the price comes down. :P -c- At 12:37 PM 3/25/2004, Paul wrote: >HI, Catilyne: > >Don't let the inefficient interface scare you off. It IS a very nice unit, >particularly for the blow-out price Musicians Friend was selling it for a >little while back. For $400, though, if that's what they;re at now (did >you say they were double the Magic Stomp?), I'd think about other options >( i.e. rack mounts et al). > >Regards, Paul > > >On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:55:29 -0600, Catilyne wrote : > > > Gary & Paul, > > > > Thanks for the feedback! I wasn't aware that there were so many >interface > > issues with the UD. In fact, when I divided the arguments into columns >for > > pros & cons on each unit, I inadvertently gave the UD higher marks for > > interface (this was based mainly upon the many parameter knobs). Sounds > > like even that can't simplify working with it, though. > > > > The biggest thing aggravating me about the Magic Stomp is the lack of >any > > realtime MIDI control. I was thinking that you might be able to fudge > > something by running a MIDI pedal into a laptop, then using the editing > > software on the laptop to send the parameter changes along to the pedal > > (ick! that's ugly). However, after going through the software manual, >I'm > > not sure if even that would work. > > > > I'm also not too crazy about the DG settings in the Magic Stomp demos, >so I > > don't know how much I'd get out of that section. On the other hand, the > > Magic Stomp is half the weight of the UD, and is currently about half >the > > price I'd now have to pay for a UD. <*grrrrr*> > > > > Thanks again! > > > > -c- > > > > > > At 11:31 PM 3/24/2004, Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > > > >Hi-- > > >I had the UD for 6 weeks, really liked the modulations and enjoyed the >loop > > >possibilities--but sold it again so I could buy the 34One Tap Tempo >pedal. > > >Bottom line for me was, it didn't use MIDI clock, and it was tough to >get to > > >the tap tempo section--same with the sampling section--same with >changing > > >patches without MIDI. So my report is, the sound is great but the >interface > > >was not. BTW, that is the same thing I hear about the Magic Stomp! > > >Gary > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Paul [mailto:paulrichard10@knology.net] > > > > > >Hey: > > > > > >I bought a UD-Stomp at the blowout price. The sound quality is great >but the > > >pedal has a flaky control idiom. To change patches/banks, you have to >get > > >the hang of the button presses properly. When I haven't used the pedal >for > > >a while, I seem to forget the proper sequence (perhaps the result of an > > >improperly spent youth) and have to refer to the manual. In other words >it's > > >not intuitive. > > > > > >'gards, Paul > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Catilyne" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alternately, I know several people here picked up the UD-Stomp's when > > > > they were being blown out a while back. What are your impressions > > > > with the pedal now that you've been able to kick it around for a >couple of > > >months? > > > > > > > > I can still find a UD-Stomp or two around (albeit not at the blowout > > > > prices. argh!), and I'm trying to make up my mind whether to stick > > > > with > > >the > > > > older model or go for the new Magic Stomp. > > > > > > > > -c- > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 25 18:30:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2PNRT216071; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:27:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:27:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040325232612.57499.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:26:12 -0800 (PST) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: ATTN: DC-area people: Sonic Circuits 2004 Planning To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is directed to any DC-area people on the list: Sonic Circuits is an annual electronic art festival held in the Washington DC area, usually in September. Sonic Circuits 2003 included looping tuba man Tom Heasley among the performers. In years past, the focus was on electronic music. This year, we'd like it to be more inclusive of other art forms such as video. If you want to get involved, there's a Yahoo Group called "sonic_circuits" to join so you can keep informed about meetings and such. I'm still kinda new to the DC area myself and at last year's Sonic Circuits befriended the organizers, which led to my own decision to join up as a volunteer. I'm not an officer or anything, just a volunteer (who's trying to decide whether to wait for an EDP to become available again or to wait for the Loop software port to Sound Art Chameleon - to adapt Andre's Turntablist concept to viola). Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 25 19:58:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2Q0rrx01299; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:53:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:53:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c412cc$bc428180$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: Subject: Re: Black oberheim dates???? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:53:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C41289.AD739830" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: Daveg X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: dave@unpronounceable.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: daveg.lyris.com [216.91.56.160] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C41289.AD739830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Black oberheim dates????Musician's Friend still says May 5th. I'd = imagine that they got that date from Gibson but who knows if it's still = accurate. - Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: todd reynolds=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: Black oberheim dates???? Does anyone have an update from gibson as to the availability of = blackfaces?=20 Thanks, Todd ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C41289.AD739830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Black oberheim dates????
Musician's Friend still says May 5th. = I'd imagine=20 that they got that date from Gibson but who knows if it's still=20 accurate.
 
- Dave
 
http://www.unpronounceable.= com/dave/
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 todd=20 reynolds
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Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 = 4:47=20 PM
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Does anyone=20 have an update from gibson as to the availability of blackfaces?=20 =

Thanks,

Todd

 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C41289.AD739830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 25 20:04:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2Q0n6b00527; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:49:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:49:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:47:35 -0500 Subject: Black oberheim dates???? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3163088855_556334" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3163088855_556334 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Does anyone have an update from gibson as to the availability of blackfaces? Thanks, Todd --B_3163088855_556334 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Black oberheim dates???? Does anyone have an up= date from gibson as to the availability of blackfaces?

Thanks,

Todd

 --B_3163088855_556334-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 25 22:13:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2Q3BE228471; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:11:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:11:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040326031050.98116.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:10:50 -0800 (PST) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: ATTN: DC-area people: Sonic Circuits 2004 Planning To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040325232612.57499.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a point of clarification: This is a call for volunteers to help with planning fundraising, promotion, implemenation, etc. Sorry for not being clear... Paolo --- Paolo Valladolid wrote: > This is directed to any DC-area people on the list: > > Sonic Circuits is an annual electronic art festival > held in the Washington DC area, usually in > September. > Sonic Circuits 2003 included looping tuba man Tom > Heasley among the performers. In years past, the > focus > was on electronic music. This year, we'd like it to > be more inclusive of other art forms such as video. > If you want to get involved, there's a Yahoo Group > called "sonic_circuits" to join so you can keep > informed about meetings and such. > > I'm still kinda new to the DC area myself and at > last > year's Sonic Circuits befriended the organizers, > which > led to my own decision to join up as a volunteer. > I'm > not an officer or anything, just a volunteer (who's > trying to decide whether to wait for an EDP to > become > available again or to wait for the Loop software > port > to Sound Art Chameleon - to adapt Andre's > Turntablist > concept to viola). > > Paolo > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on > time. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 03:22:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2Q8GMw11820; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 03:16:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 03:16:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: Black oberheim dates???? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:15:46 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c4130a$8dd3b880$01fea8c0@andy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C4130A.8DD3B880" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000801c412cc$bc428180$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C4130A.8DD3B880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately, the 350 Blackfaces are still in our factory. No news from Gibson about payment for them, sorry. -----Original Message----- From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com] Sent: 26 March 2004 00:53 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Black oberheim dates???? Musician's Friend still says May 5th. I'd imagine that they got that date from Gibson but who knows if it's still accurate. - Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ ----- Original Message ----- From: todd reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: Black oberheim dates???? Does anyone have an update from gibson as to the availability of blackfaces? Thanks, Todd ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C4130A.8DD3B880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Black oberheim dates????

Unfortunately, the 350 Blackfaces = are still in our factory. No news from Gibson about payment for them, = sorry.

 

---= --Original Message-----
From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com]
Sent: 26 March 2004 = 00:53
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Black = oberheim dates????

 

Musician's Friend still = says May 5th. I'd imagine that they got that date from Gibson but who knows if = it's still accurate.

 

- = Dave

 

 

----- Original Message = -----

From: todd reynolds =

Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:47 PM

Subject: Black oberheim dates????

 

Does anyone have an update from gibson as = to the availability of blackfaces?

Thanks,

Todd

------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C4130A.8DD3B880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 09:12:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QEAjq03162; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:10:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:10:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:10:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Black oberheim dates???? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c4130a$8dd3b880$01fea8c0@andy> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3163137028_198769" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3163137028_198769 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Then what is a consumer=B9s best path of action? Do we picket the gibson factory or what? But seriously, is there a number I can call or a person that a few of us could lean on? I actually am damaging my own reputation b= y not being able to deliver to a client, so I really would love to find a way to push a little. Thanks for any ideas. Todd On 3/26/04 3:15 AM, "Andy Ewen" wrote: > Unfortunately, the 350 Blackfaces are still in our factory. No news from > Gibson about payment for them, sorry. > =20 >=20 --B_3163137028_198769 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Black oberheim dates???? Then what is a consume= r’s best path of action?  Do we picket the gibson factory or what= ?  But seriously, is there a number I can call or a person that a few o= f us could lean on?  I actually am damaging my own reputation by not be= ing able to deliver to a client, so I really would love to find a way to pus= h a little.

Thanks for any ideas.

Todd

On 3/26/04 3:15 AM, "Andy Ewen" <andy.ewen@btinternet.com> = wrote:

Unfortunately, the 350 Blackfaces are still in our fa= ctory. No news from Gibson about payment for them, sorry.
 

--B_3163137028_198769-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 09:37:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QEXut06287; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:33:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:33:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c4133f$4c8098a0$6401a8c0@DellM60> From: "Barry Silverman" To: References: Subject: Re: Black oberheim dates???? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:33:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C41315.62A9C270" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C41315.62A9C270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Black oberheim dates????Are Black Oberheim Dates as tasty as Choice = Medjools? -B ----- Original Message -----=20 From: todd reynolds=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Black oberheim dates???? Then what is a consumer's best path of action? Do we picket the = gibson factory or what? But seriously, is there a number I can call or = a person that a few of us could lean on? I actually am damaging my own = reputation by not being able to deliver to a client, so I really would = love to find a way to push a little. Thanks for any ideas. Todd On 3/26/04 3:15 AM, "Andy Ewen" wrote: Unfortunately, the 350 Blackfaces are still in our factory. No news = from Gibson about payment for them, sorry. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C41315.62A9C270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Black oberheim dates????
Are Black Oberheim Dates as tasty as = Choice=20 Medjools?
 
-B
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 todd=20 reynolds
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 = 9:10=20 AM
Subject: Re: Black oberheim=20 dates????

Then what is=20 a consumer=92s best path of action?  Do we picket the gibson = factory or=20 what?  But seriously, is there a number I can call or a person = that a few=20 of us could lean on?  I actually am damaging my own reputation by = not=20 being able to deliver to a client, so I really would love to find a = way to=20 push a little.

Thanks for any ideas.

Todd

On = 3/26/04 3:15=20 AM, "Andy Ewen" <andy.ewen@btinternet.com> = wrote:
Unfortunately, the 350 Blackfaces are still in our = factory. No=20 news from Gibson about payment for them,=20 sorry.
 

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C41315.62A9C270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 09:50:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QElVe08294; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:47:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:47:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040325171206.13132.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040325171206.13132.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:48:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ritsu Katsumata Subject: Re: HELP on EDP and the FC-200!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-PMX-Version: 4.5.0.90627, Antispam-Core: 4.0.4.92622, Antispam-Data: 2004.3.25.95381 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for all your advice-- I've made a little progress, but still have lots to learn. I found someone who's going to talk me through it, so hopefully I'll get it all in order! best, Midi-illiterate Ritsu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 10:28:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QFLK914648; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:21:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:21:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c41346$423aba40$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <001401c4130a$8dd3b880$01fea8c0@andy> Subject: getting Black oberheims.... Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:23:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4131C.58C60140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.163.150.38] at Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:20:53 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <7YqTpD.A.ejD.apEZAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4131C.58C60140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Black oberheim dates????Sounds like we need some people power. Here's a = link to Gibson. =20 I suggest a few polite and kindly worded e-mails to Gibson indicating = that the Gibson / Oberheim Echoplex Pro is back ordered and that you're = looking for one might help shake a few loose - or point you to where = they are available. http://www.gibson.com/relations/mailform.html And here's an e-mail address: relations@gibson.com Yes, this is a little bit of a shot in the dark -- but the more we ask = about it, the more likely our requests will be heard by the right = people. David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Ewen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:15 AM Subject: RE: Black oberheim dates???? Unfortunately, the 350 Blackfaces are still in our factory. No news = from Gibson about payment for them, sorry. =20 -----Original Message----- From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com]=20 Sent: 26 March 2004 00:53 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Black oberheim dates???? =20 Musician's Friend still says May 5th. I'd imagine that they got that = date from Gibson but who knows if it's still accurate. =20 - Dave =20 http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: todd reynolds=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: Black oberheim dates???? =20 Does anyone have an update from gibson as to the availability of = blackfaces?=20 Thanks, Todd ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4131C.58C60140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Black oberheim = dates????
Sounds like we need some people = power.  Here's=20 a link to Gibson. 
 
I suggest a few polite and kindly = worded=20 e-mails to Gibson indicating that the Gibson / Oberheim Echoplex Pro is = back=20 ordered and that you're looking for one might help shake a few loose - = or point=20 you to where they are available.
 
http://www.gibson.= com/relations/mailform.html
 
And here's an e-mail = address:
 
relations@gibson.com <relations@gibson.com><= /DIV>
 
Yes, this is a little bit of a shot in = the dark --=20 but the more we ask about it, the more likely our requests will be heard = by the=20 right people.
 
David
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy=20 Ewen
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 = 3:15=20 AM
Subject: RE: Black oberheim=20 dates????

Unfortunately, the=20 350 Blackfaces are still in our factory. No news from Gibson about = payment for=20 them, sorry.

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = David J.=20 Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com]
Sent: 26 March 2004 = 00:53
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject: Re: Black oberheim=20 dates????

 

Musician's Friend still = says May=20 5th. I'd imagine that they got that date from Gibson but who knows if = it's=20 still accurate.

 

-=20 Dave

 

http://www.unpronounceable.= com/dave/

 

----- Original Message = -----=20

From: todd=20 reynolds

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent:=20 Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:47 PM

Subject: Black=20 oberheim dates????

 

Does anyone have = an update=20 from gibson as to the availability of blackfaces?=20 =

Thanks,

Todd

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4131C.58C60140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 12:30:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QHQPM04052; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:26:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:26:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: dobbs.ucs.umbc.edu: randy owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:26:10 -0500 (EST) From: Randy Philipp X-X-Sender: randy@dobbs.ucs.umbc.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: getting Black oberheims.... In-Reply-To: <000d01c41346$423aba40$0affff0a@hppav> Message-ID: References: <001401c4130a$8dd3b880$01fea8c0@andy> <000d01c41346$423aba40$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-AvMilter-Key: 1080322272:23c8d24f5281f22de9cd1535c8368c89 X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the "Call Gibson" approach. I had a nice little chat with Drew at customer support (1-800-4GIBSON, or 1-800-444-2766), and it is 24 hour number. I think if enough people called with some concerns on this matter, someone might take notice. I am suppost to get some e-mail or a phone call sometime soon. I will let you know what I find out. Randy On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Black oberheim dates????Sounds like we need some people power. Here's a > link to Gibson. > > I suggest a few polite and kindly worded e-mails to Gibson indicating > that the Gibson / Oberheim Echoplex Pro is back ordered and that you're > looking for one might help shake a few loose - or point you to where > they are available. > > http://www.gibson.com/relations/mailform.html > > And here's an e-mail address: > > relations@gibson.com > > Yes, this is a little bit of a shot in the dark -- but the more we ask > about it, the more likely our requests will be heard by the right > people. > > David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 12:43:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QHb1b05286; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:37:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:37:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40646A00.7010007@free.fr> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:36:00 +0100 From: Luca Bonvini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: getting Black oberheims.... References: <001401c4130a$8dd3b880$01fea8c0@andy> <000d01c41346$423aba40$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2QHano05249 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I Call Now,I Call Now,I Call Now,I Call Now,I Call Now,I Call Now,I Call Now,I Call Now,I Call Now,.....oops Luca Randy Philipp a écrit: > I like the "Call Gibson" approach. I had a nice little chat with Drew at > customer support (1-800-4GIBSON, or 1-800-444-2766), and it is 24 hour > number. I think if enough people called with some concerns on this > matter, someone might take notice. > > I am suppost to get some e-mail or a phone call sometime soon. I will let > you know what I find out. > > Randy > > On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > >>Black oberheim dates????Sounds like we need some people power. Here's a >>link to Gibson. >> >>I suggest a few polite and kindly worded e-mails to Gibson indicating >>that the Gibson / Oberheim Echoplex Pro is back ordered and that you're >>looking for one might help shake a few loose - or point you to where >>they are available. >> >>http://www.gibson.com/relations/mailform.html >> >>And here's an e-mail address: >> >>relations@gibson.com >> >>Yes, this is a little bit of a shot in the dark -- but the more we ask >>about it, the more likely our requests will be heard by the right >>people. >> >>David > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 12:45:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QHfAF05850; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:41:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:41:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040326174020.36026.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:40:20 -0800 (PST) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Black oberheim dates???? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c412cc$bc428180$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "David J. Grossman" wrote: > Black oberheim dates????Musician's Friend still says > May 5th. I'd imagine that they got that date from > Gibson but who knows if it's still accurate. > > - Dave I saw that too. But then I also saw that the software that drives the EDP is being ported to the Sound Art Chameleon. I've decided I want to adapt the Turntablist Guitar concept to my viola, which means I need an EDP or something else that will offer the same functionality (e.g. a Chameleon running Loop IV software). I'm in wait-and-see mode now because I don't know what's going to happen first - EDP being in stock again or the Loop IV-Chameleon port being released. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 13:05:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QI0r710356; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:00:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:00:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c4135c$1427ad00$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20040326174020.36026.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Black oberheim dates???? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:59:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paolo I may be mistaken but its very unlikely that you'll get the whole LoopIV soft in the chameleon box a stereo looper probably but as per today its highly vaporware. If you search a little I'm sure you'll find an edp in not so much time . with a mature and tested soft and interface and soon you can start playing. Claude > > --- "David J. Grossman" > wrote: > > Black oberheim dates????Musician's Friend still says > > May 5th. I'd imagine that they got that date from > > Gibson but who knows if it's still accurate. > > > > - Dave > > I saw that too. But then I also saw that the software > that drives the EDP is being ported to the Sound Art > Chameleon. > > I've decided I want to adapt the Turntablist Guitar > concept to my viola, which means I need an EDP or > something else that will offer the same functionality > (e.g. a Chameleon running Loop IV software). I'm in > wait-and-see mode now because I don't know what's > going to happen first - EDP being in stock again or > the Loop IV-Chameleon port being released. > > Paolo > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 13:14:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QIC0d12541; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:12:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:12:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40647223.1090904@free.fr> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:10:43 +0100 From: Luca Bonvini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Black oberheim dates???? References: <20040326174020.36026.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> <000c01c4135c$1427ad00$0100a8c0@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2QIBWo12456 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude please do you have any suggestion about were to 'search a little'? I already searched a lot! Thank you for your help, Luca Claude Voit a écrit: > Paolo > I may be mistaken but its very unlikely that you'll get the whole LoopIV > soft in the chameleon box > a stereo looper probably but as per today its highly vaporware. > If you search a little I'm sure you'll find an edp in not so much time . > with a mature and tested soft and interface and soon you can start playing. > > > Claude > > > > > > >>--- "David J. Grossman" >>wrote: >> >>>Black oberheim dates????Musician's Friend still says >>>May 5th. I'd imagine that they got that date from >>>Gibson but who knows if it's still accurate. >>> >>>- Dave >> >>I saw that too. But then I also saw that the software >>that drives the EDP is being ported to the Sound Art >>Chameleon. >> >>I've decided I want to adapt the Turntablist Guitar >>concept to my viola, which means I need an EDP or >>something else that will offer the same functionality >>(e.g. a Chameleon running Loop IV software). I'm in >>wait-and-see mode now because I don't know what's >>going to happen first - EDP being in stock again or >>the Loop IV-Chameleon port being released. >> >>Paolo >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. >>http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 13:43:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QIelu16828; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:40:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:40:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040326174020.36026.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040326174020.36026.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:38:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Black oberheim dates???? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >--- "David J. Grossman" >wrote: >> Black oberheim dates????Musician's Friend still says >> May 5th. I'd imagine that they got that date from > > Gibson but who knows if it's still accurate. Andy answered: >Unfortunately, the 350 Blackfaces are still in our factory. No news >from Gibson about payment for them, sorry. Paolo reasoned: >I saw that too. But then I also saw that the software >that drives the EDP is being ported to the Sound Art >Chameleon. be aware that the Chameleon has the following disadvantages: - no multiple loops (since total loop time is only 20 sec stereo) - no brother sync (no hardware available) - less practical display - only MIDI pedal the big advantages are - stereo - you can use the Chamy as synth, multieffect... >I've decided I want to adapt the Turntablist Guitar >concept to my viola, which means I need an EDP or >something else that will offer the same functionality >(e.g. a Chameleon running Loop IV software). I'm in >wait-and-see mode now because I don't know what's >going to happen first - EDP being in stock again or >the Loop IV-Chameleon port being released. I wanted them to sell the real EDPs first. But its not just that they dont attend their clients, not only they dont pay for the units they ordered and wait in the factory but they did not pay yet for the 200 they sold over a year ago! they heavily disrespect us developers and manufacturers and breach contract over and over and over and over... the most childish way: "no, dont go to court, we pay next week!" and then they dont... silence again... again the EDP changes department... again they fire the only responsible and competent employee... well, the Chamy soft is not ready yet. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 13:52:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QIhFV17322; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:43:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:43:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Looper Delight List" Subject: RE: ATTN: DC-area people: Sonic Circuits 2004 Planning Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:46:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 In-Reply-To: <20040325232612.57499.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.236.52.153] at Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:42:51 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Paolo, Is this the site for the festival: http://www.soniccircuits.com/index2.html Thanks, Michael >This is directed to any DC-area people on the list: > >Sonic Circuits is an annual electronic art festival >held in the Washington DC area, usually in September. >Sonic Circuits 2003 included looping tuba man Tom >Heasley among the performers. In years past, the focus >was on electronic music. This year, we'd like it to >be more inclusive of other art forms such as video. >If you want to get involved, there's a Yahoo Group >called "sonic_circuits" to join so you can keep >informed about meetings and such. > >I'm still kinda new to the DC area myself and at last >year's Sonic Circuits befriended the organizers, which >led to my own decision to join up as a volunteer. I'm >not an officer or anything, just a volunteer (who's >trying to decide whether to wait for an EDP to become >available again or to wait for the Loop software port >to Sound Art Chameleon - to adapt Andre's Turntablist >concept to viola). > >Paolo > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. >http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 14:15:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QJCq122954; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:12:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:12:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: EDP software emulation? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:12:43 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP software emulation? Thread-Index: AcQTZlCm6au0QwFJSS20PgqnrUwwKg== From: "Jeff Larson" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2QJCio22920 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This may be heresy, but has anyone written a software emulation of the EDP? I've been wanting an EDP, but I also want stereo and I just can't bring myself to spend $1600 on a pair of them. This is strictly for home studio use so taking it on the road isn't a concern. I've already written a relatively crude stereo looper, and was thinking about adding some EDP features to it. But I wanted to see if anyone else has already gone down that road. Does this sound feasible? Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 14:17:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QJ0Vq21491; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:00:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:00:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4060BA80.6060207@unguitar.com> References: <4060BA80.6060207@unguitar.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:56:42 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: preset copy from edp to edp Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi dear loopers, >is there any way to transmit presets (with loop IV on both edps) >from one edp to another ? >I mean without saving it to midifile and send it to the other machine. >Thanks, >Luca >www.unguitar.com yes, directly, single presets or all at once! but I would have to look up the manual, too :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 14:48:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QJi1N27290; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:44:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:44:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040326194300.46709.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:43:00 -0800 (PST) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Black oberheim dates???? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Matthias Grob wrote: > be aware that the Chameleon has the following > disadvantages: > - no multiple loops (since total loop time is only > 20 sec stereo) > - no brother sync (no hardware available) > - less practical display > - only MIDI pedal > > the big advantages are > - stereo > - you can use the Chamy as synth, multieffect... Points taken. For me the pedal issue is significant - what I've read on LD over the years is that to reproduce ALL the functionality available with the companion pedal for the EDP would require a MIDI pedal costing quite a bit more than that companion pedal. I will also take Claude's advice to search the used market for EDPs. Who knows, I may end up with both in the future. Right now though, my focus is on learning the basics of the turntablist method. > I wanted them to sell the real EDPs first. > But its not just that they dont attend their > clients, > not only they dont pay for the units they ordered > and wait in the factory > but they did not pay yet for the 200 they sold over > a year ago! > they heavily disrespect us developers and > manufacturers and breach > contract over and over and over and over... the most > childish way: > "no, dont go to court, we pay next week!" and then > they dont... > silence again... again the EDP changes department... > again they fire > the only responsible and competent employee... Sounds consistent with what I've read about Gibson corporate behavior over the years (the handling of Opcode, suing Paul Reed Smith Guitars, etc.). Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 14:53:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QJmhU27912; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:48:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:48:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c4136b$4b4b21e0$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <20040326194300.46709.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Black oberheim dates???? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:48:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: Daveg X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: dave@unpronounceable.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: daveg.lyris.com [216.91.56.160] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Points taken. For me the pedal issue is significant - > what I've read on LD over the years is that to > reproduce ALL the functionality available with the > companion pedal for the EDP would require a MIDI pedal > costing quite a bit more than that companion pedal. The Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Footcontroller which is what I'm using now (due to my malfunctioning EDP pedal) isn't much more expensive than the EDP pedal. $129.99 at Musician's Friend. The EDP pedal is $99.99. With the FCB1010, you also get expression pedal control of the output volume and feedback. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 15:03:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QK15w30969; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:01:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:01:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040326195951.2388.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:59:51 -0800 (PST) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Black oberheim dates???? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000401c4136b$4b4b21e0$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9lOd9B.A.qgH.5uIZAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "David J. Grossman" wrote: > > Points taken. For me the pedal issue is > significant - > > what I've read on LD over the years is that to > > reproduce ALL the functionality available with the > > companion pedal for the EDP would require a MIDI > pedal > > costing quite a bit more than that companion > pedal. > > The Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Footcontroller which is > what I'm using now (due > to my malfunctioning EDP pedal) isn't much more > expensive than the EDP > pedal. $129.99 at Musician's Friend. The EDP pedal > is $99.99. With the > FCB1010, you also get expression pedal control of > the output volume and > feedback. >From what I've read here, there are indeed a number of happy FCB1010-EDP users. But Kim also said this pedal won't reproduce ALL the functionality, just a subset. Whether or not this will be sufficient for me is something I have to investigate, given I want to do the Turntablist concept. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 15:07:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QK3kZ31455; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:03:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:03:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4064854C.8050909@unguitar.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:32:28 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: preset copy from edp to edp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Matthias, I searched in the Loop IV manual but I found no trace about preset copying. Maybe I miss a page, or maybe I'm in love and can't see it..... ;-) let me know if you can find it ! thanks, luca www.unguitar.com > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > yes, directly, single presets or all at once! > but I would have to look up the manual, too Luca wrote: > > > Hi dear loopers, > is there any way to transmit presets (with loop IV on both edps) from > one edp to another ? > I mean without saving it to midifile and send it to the other machine. > Thanks, > Luca > www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 15:23:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QKLpm02801; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:21:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:21:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c4136f$eb20f600$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <20040326195951.2388.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Black oberheim dates???? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:21:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: Daveg X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: dave@unpronounceable.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: daveg.lyris.com [216.91.56.160] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From what I've read here, there are indeed a number of > happy FCB1010-EDP users. But Kim also said this pedal > won't reproduce ALL the functionality, just a subset. > Whether or not this will be sufficient for me is > something I have to investigate, given I want to do > the Turntablist concept. Hmmm. I'm not sure what can't be done with it that can be done with the regular pedal. All DirectMIDI commands are easily programmable. These include all of the buttons on the EDP pedal and the front-panel buttons as well. I can also access the presets. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 15:26:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QKNfG03149; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:23:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:23:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040326195715.24086.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:57:15 -0800 (PST) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: EDP software emulation? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jeff Larson wrote: > > This may be heresy, but has anyone written a > software emulation > of the EDP? Have you tried Ambiloop? http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ It would be nice if somebody came up with a version of Loop IV or an emulation of Loop IV that could run as a VST plugin. On a related note, I'm guessing this will be the winner in the rackmount VST plugin player wars: http://www.museresearch.com/ Why the Receptor? Because: - MSRP is $1599. Cheaper than Open Laps OMX and about half that of the Plugzilla. Laptops cost about the same or more. Rackmount PCs are about the same or more too. - Symbolic Sounds-style upgrade plan in the works for the internal hard drive. RAM is also expandable (256MG standard, 2GB max). - Receptor's OS (it's not Mac OS or Windows - something proprietary I guess) doesn't use more than 16MB of RAM. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 15:55:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QKrS408399; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:53:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:53:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4064854C.8050909@unguitar.com> References: <4064854C.8050909@unguitar.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:52:59 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: preset copy from edp to edp Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh, Kim wrote that manual :-) actually that part we are talking about is Sysex, so its Eric who wrote that then again, I think I added the preset sysex part later, with Erics telefone help :-) I could not find it either and had to look it up in the dusty code. What a shame! in the Sample Dump User Guide its definitally wrong, I forgot to update there: on the "Button commands in Upload-mode" page: under Insert: it should not say "reserved" but "send actual local parameters" under Mute: it should not say "reserved" but "send all parameters" in other words: go to MIDI/Upload, press INSERT and all your presets and the global parameters will be transfered to the brother EDP or press MUTE and the Preset which is loaded is transfered to your brother EDP (probably replacing its loaded preset (0) so you can select where to save it) Its quite a usefull feature for users with two EDPs! and it probably also works to transfer presets to the computer, somehow. tell it everyone! sorry for that! Matthias >Hi Matthias, >I searched in the Loop IV manual but I found no trace about preset copying. >Maybe I miss a page, or maybe I'm in love and can't see it..... ;-) >let me know if you can find it ! >thanks, >luca >www.unguitar.com > > > >>---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > >>yes, directly, single presets or all at once! >>but I would have to look up the manual, too > >Luca wrote: > >> >> >> Hi dear loopers, >>is there any way to transmit presets (with loop IV on both edps) >>from one edp to another ? >>I mean without saving it to midifile and send it to the other machine. >>Thanks, >>Luca >>www.unguitar.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 15:56:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QKrNI08392; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:53:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:53:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:14:41 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP software emulation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >This may be heresy, but has anyone written a software emulation >of the EDP? > >I've been wanting an EDP, but I also want stereo and I just can't >bring myself to spend $1600 on a pair of them. This is strictly >for home studio use so taking it on the road isn't a concern. > >I've already written a relatively crude stereo looper, and was >thinking about adding some EDP features to it. its not even that simple, is it? :-) >But I wanted >to see if anyone else has already gone down that road. Does >this sound feasible? I am looking up that road... hardware is still the solution... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 16:13:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QLBL412891; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:11:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:11:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c41379$2a45bb00$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:27:39 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Spring is in the air... but if you're indoors, take some time to explore the brand new Ambient Ping website - redesigned by Jamie Todd (URM/dreamSTATE). http://www.theambientping.com Live photos in the events sections are now updated and current right up to this week's show, so there's enough fresh material for multiple visits. Enjoy the results of Jamie's many, many hours of design work... Cheers, Scott M2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday March 30th - Planet Of The Loops Planet Of The Loops presents a dark looping event - a celebration of young European composers. Andrew Aldridge will be playing some guitar & has pre-recorded bits of compositions by Danish composer Poul Ruders and Finnish composer Kaija Sarriaho. Each set will be improvisions based around a composition by Ruders or Sarriaho. Peter Murray will be playing/looping/treating bass. Peter has played bass with a wide variety of artists including Ron Sexsmith, Damhnait Doyle, Jerome Godboo, Jian Ghomeshi and Jory Nash. He's currently playing with Morgan Finlay, the Moonrise Jazz Trio and a new experimental improv group called Retainer. As a singer-songwriter, he's almost finished his debut CD. The Planet - http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html Peter Murray - http://www.petermurray.ca http://www.thermidormusic.com Between Sets CD - "Lightness" by Brian Eno (Opal) To balance the "darkness" of the rest of the evening's music we'll be playing "Lightness", an excerpt from a hypothetically endless multiple loop-based piece which Brian Eno created for the Marble Palace at the State Russian Museum, St. Petersburg, November 1997. http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming April 6th - Ben Grossman with cheryl o + quasiMODAL Ben Grossman - http://www.macrophone.org cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Matt P - http://cdbaby.com/cd/automaticfats Michael Keith - http://www.michaelkeith.com Steven Sauve - http://www.karmafarm.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Seed" by Ma Ja Le and James Johnson Fans of both James Johnson's and Ma Ja Le's work will no doubt be thrilled by this release, a musical meeting of minds that produces a fantastic work of beauty and magic. Subtle textures and oblique movement permeate throughout the disc creating a shimmering cocoon that enshrouds the listener, drawing them deeper into an otherworldly state of being. Light percussion passes through leaving ripples and vapor trails behind in their wake. A passing flute, or is it something more exotic? Other sounds float by, caressing you as you drift further and further away from the physical world and into this new land of wonder. A sheer delight from start to end. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Steve Roach is currently the Featured Artist at ping things. Visit http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm to read an exclusive interview with this master of the ambient genre. Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 16:58:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QLuEK19834; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:56:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:56:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "|SquidLoop|" To: Subject: RE: EDP software emulation? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:54:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQTZlCm6au0QwFJSS20PgqnrUwwKgAFooqg In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sooperlooper for Linux ? http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeff.Larson@waveset.com] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 11:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP software emulation? This may be heresy, but has anyone written a software emulation of the EDP? I've been wanting an EDP, but I also want stereo and I just can't bring myself to spend $1600 on a pair of them. This is strictly for home studio use so taking it on the road isn't a concern. I've already written a relatively crude stereo looper, and was thinking about adding some EDP features to it. But I wanted to see if anyone else has already gone down that road. Does this sound feasible? Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 17:03:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QM1fc22325; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:01:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:01:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200403262201.i2QM1Lo22260@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EDP software emulation? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:01:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 thread-index: AcQTcJy7SRTuTyN5Say1cjQZPTfmLwADMgkw In-Reply-To: <20040326195715.24086.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It looks like it might be emdbedded Windows NT/XP it runs Windows dll's according to this page http://www.museresearch.com/receptor_faq.php?mode=html#faq5 -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 2:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP software emulation? --- Jeff Larson wrote: > > This may be heresy, but has anyone written a software emulation of the > EDP? Have you tried Ambiloop? http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ It would be nice if somebody came up with a version of Loop IV or an emulation of Loop IV that could run as a VST plugin. On a related note, I'm guessing this will be the winner in the rackmount VST plugin player wars: http://www.museresearch.com/ Why the Receptor? Because: - MSRP is $1599. Cheaper than Open Laps OMX and about half that of the Plugzilla. Laptops cost about the same or more. Rackmount PCs are about the same or more too. - Symbolic Sounds-style upgrade plan in the works for the internal hard drive. RAM is also expandable (256MG standard, 2GB max). - Receptor's OS (it's not Mac OS or Windows - something proprietary I guess) doesn't use more than 16MB of RAM. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 17:30:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QMNHk25266; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:23:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:23:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:22:54 -0800 Message-ID: <405C587C00003E49@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <200403262201.i2QM1Lo22260@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: EDP software emulation? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2QMN1o25219 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For what it's worth, in regards to the people behind the 'Receptor', I worked with 4 of the 7 'principals' while at Opcode. All good people, and Dan Timis was a major contributer to Studio Vision... Also, AmbiLoop is not an EDP workalike... But, it is a free Windows based looper... There is a new version up at the yahoo support group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ambiloop), which has updates that make it a much more usable live looper... Please check out the new version if you weren't happy with previous versions.. :) And, if you do, and there are things about it which you still feel make it unusable, please send me email... as scathing as you'ld like.. hehe.. I prefer the ugly truth, to nice silence... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Alan Kroeger" >To: >Subject: RE: EDP software emulation? >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:01:20 -0500 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >It looks like it might be emdbedded Windows NT/XP it runs Windows dll's >according to this page >http://www.museresearch.com/receptor_faq.php?mode=html#faq5 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 2:57 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: EDP software emulation? > >--- Jeff Larson wrote: >> >> This may be heresy, but has anyone written a software emulation of the > >> EDP? > >Have you tried Ambiloop? >http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ > >It would be nice if somebody came up with a version of Loop IV or an >emulation of Loop IV that could run as a VST plugin. > >On a related note, I'm guessing this will be the winner in the rackmount >VST >plugin player wars: > >http://www.museresearch.com/ > >Why the Receptor? Because: > >- MSRP is $1599. Cheaper than Open Laps OMX and about half that of the >Plugzilla. Laptops cost about the same or more. Rackmount PCs are about >the same or more too. >- Symbolic Sounds-style upgrade plan in the works for the internal hard >drive. RAM is also expandable (256MG standard, 2GB max). >- Receptor's OS (it's not Mac OS or Windows - something proprietary I guess) >doesn't use more than 16MB of RAM. > >Paolo > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. >http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 17:46:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QMijp27902; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:44:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:44:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4064AB18.9080402@unguitar.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:13:44 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: preset copy from edp to edp References: <4064854C.8050909@unguitar.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Matthias, > in other words: > go to MIDI/Upload, > press INSERT and all your presets and the global parameters will be > transfered to the brother EDP or > press MUTE and the Preset which is loaded is transfered to your > brother EDP > (probably replacing its loaded preset (0) so you can select where to > save it) > > Its quite a usefull feature for users with two EDPs! It *is* a great feature ! > > and it probably also works to transfer presets to the computer, somehow. > tell it everyone! Ok. Hey, everyone, did you read this ??? This is cool ! Thanks a lot Matthias, Luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 18:59:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QNucf07835; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:56:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:56:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:58:33 -0500 Subject: Blackfaces From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2QNuco07811 Resent-Message-ID: <0ya58C.A.S6B.2MMZAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm nauseous. As an african-american - -I thought we had moved past the ugly concept of "blackface". I donąt care if oberheim, korg, or fender is involved.. We must speak out!! -andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 19:00:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2QNuoX07892; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:56:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:56:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:58:33 -0500 Subject: Don Preston -- 71 year old looping maniac!! From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey For those of you in the NorthEast --(NY, MA, RI, NJ, PA) - we have a quick little tour with synth pioneer, jazz legend and member of Zappa's Mothers OF Invention (1966-1974) There will be MAJOR loop content....analog synths, analog filters, and weird customized toys! Don is one of the people alive who has used every advancement looping and synth technology since the 50s!! Don't miss one of the guys who Bob Moog tried out prototypes on! A couple of the shows will be double bill with his jazz trio. Email me for more details TOURDATES: Don Preston Akashic Ensemble APRIL 2004 Electronics, brass , percussion, samples, weirdness, poems: Don Preston - Moog Voyager Analog synth, sampler, etc - Andre' Cholmondeley - guitar, filters, loops, samples etc Cheri Jiosne- drums, electronics, percussion, loops synth etc Elliott Levin -saxes, flute, poetry WHAT DOES THE GROUP SOUND LIKE? LISTEN HERE: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/akashicensemble - or- Fri Apr 2 www.wprb.com-fm103.3 - Don Preston Akashic Ens. - 10pm ET Webcast Sat Apr 3 Synapse Studios 8 Broad St Red Bank NJ 8pm w/ Dance Perf. Sun Apr 4 Downtown Music Gallery NYC 7PM Free show-INCL- DAVE BALLOU - TRMPT Mon Apr 5 Tritone -Don Preston Akashic Ens. with Elliott Levin/INTERPLAY Tue Apr 6 The Knitting Factory NYC 9pm/Don Preston Trio*/ Akashic Ensemble Thu Apr 8 2-4pm Berklee Workshop Boston MA Thu Apr 8 7-9pm Zeitgeist Gallery - Cambridge MA Fri Apr 9 Billy Good's Newport RI 19 Marlboro St (401)848-5013 Sat Apr 10 TBA New England Sun Apr 11 Colony Cafe' Woodstock NY -Akashic+ Preston Trio* Wed Apr 14 The Saint 601 Main St Asbury Park NJ *TRIO-- Don Preston/piano, Ken Filiano/ac. bass, Gregg Bendian/drums MORE DATES ON THE WAY !! Listen to Don's JAZZ TRIO CD http://www.cryptogramophone.com/crypto/html/album.php?id=107 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 19:16:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2R0E5W12670; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c41390$bda5e200$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <001401c4130a$8dd3b880$01fea8c0@andy> <000d01c41346$423aba40$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: getting Black oberheims.... Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:16:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.163.246.56] at Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:14:02 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <8zwvQ.A.1FD.MdMZAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Calls are good too! Remember, that written words are nice as they leave a clearly documentable audit trail. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Philipp" To: Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: getting Black oberheims.... > I like the "Call Gibson" approach. I had a nice little chat with Drew at > customer support (1-800-4GIBSON, or 1-800-444-2766), and it is 24 hour > number. I think if enough people called with some concerns on this > matter, someone might take notice. > > I am suppost to get some e-mail or a phone call sometime soon. I will let > you know what I find out. > > Randy > > On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > Black oberheim dates????Sounds like we need some people power. Here's a > > link to Gibson. > > > > I suggest a few polite and kindly worded e-mails to Gibson indicating > > that the Gibson / Oberheim Echoplex Pro is back ordered and that you're > > looking for one might help shake a few loose - or point you to where > > they are available. > > > > http://www.gibson.com/relations/mailform.html > > > > And here's an e-mail address: > > > > relations@gibson.com > > > > Yes, this is a little bit of a shot in the dark -- but the more we ask > > about it, the more likely our requests will be heard by the right > > people. > > > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 19:20:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2R0HZ813343; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:17:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:17:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Blackfaces Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:17:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQTjtrHLgfj0JteQ/uecTT+vjLXzgAAY+ZA Message-Id: <20040327001728.RMUJ2451.fed1mtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2R0HYo13320 Resent-Message-ID: <0QF2OC.A.XQD.fgMZAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the only "race" here is the one being avoided by Gibson-- I am saddened by Matthias' post--he has created such a lovely work of practical art--the Echoplex deserves better industry placement. We all hope availability comes soon. Til then--"paint it black". Gary -----Original Message----- From: Andre Cholmondeley [mailto:projectobject@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Blackfaces I'm nauseous. As an african-american - -I thought we had moved past the ugly concept of "blackface". I donąt care if oberheim, korg, or fender is involved.. We must speak out!! -andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 19:34:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2R0UNZ14947; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:30:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:30:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c41393$04c731a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040327001728.RMUJ2451.fed1mtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Blackfaces Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:32:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.246.56] at Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:30:21 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What if there will be no more EDP availability after these 350, when they eventually break loose? Seems just as, or more likely, n'est pas? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:17 PM Subject: RE: Blackfaces > I think the only "race" here is the one being avoided by Gibson-- > I am saddened by Matthias' post--he has created such a lovely work of > practical art--the Echoplex deserves better industry placement. > We all hope availability comes soon. Til then--"paint it black". > Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Cholmondeley [mailto:projectobject@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:59 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Blackfaces > > I'm nauseous. > > As an african-american - -I thought we had moved past the ugly concept of > "blackface". > > I donąt care if oberheim, korg, or fender is involved.. We must speak out!! > > -andre' > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 19:42:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2R0dfG16366; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:39:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:39:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c41393$f98b6940$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: Subject: Re: Blackfaces Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:39:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: Daveg X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: dave@unpronounceable.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: daveg.lyris.com [216.91.56.160] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > As an african-american - -I thought we had moved past the ugly concept of > "blackface". > > I donąt care if oberheim, korg, or fender is involved.. We must speak out!! I sympathize. From now on, let's call them African-American-faced Echoplexes. ;-) Seriously though. let's just call them EDP+. It's the Plus model that we're referring to anyway. They all have the black faceplate. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 19:56:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2R0qJf17942; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:52:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:52:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040326184520.04c66fc8@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:48:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Blackfaces In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:58 PM 3/26/2004, Andre Cholmondeley wrote: >I'm nauseous. Since we're talking semantics and meanings here, I think the appropriate term is actually 'nauseated'. Unless there's a really weird point you were trying to make that I just completely missed.... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 20:36:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2R1YaR26439; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:34:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:34:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Blackfaces Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:34:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at grics.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 26, 2004, at 5:58 PM, Andre Cholmondeley wrote: > I'm nauseous. > \As an african-american - -I thought we had moved past the ugly > concept of > "blackface". are you joking? please, let me and the list know, i really don't like where this could go. thanks. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 21:08:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2R25Bp00901; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:05:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:05:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4064E006.6050903@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:59:34 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #366 for March 25, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040325.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #366 March 25, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the Zero Ohms. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Trans Spheres" on the Zop Opus label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Gelb" by Konrad Schnitzler on Block Records. I played an interview that I held with Ian Boddy who performed at the recent Gatherings. I also played music from his new CD as well as the music of AirSculpture who will play at the next Gatherings on April 17. For details, see the EMUSIC Events page. Zero Ohms - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#mar EMUSIC Events Page - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Konrad Schnitzler 5 Gelb (Block) Gert Emmens and Solaris Return to the Origin (Groove Ruud Heij and Quantum) AirSculpture Polarvoid Thunderhead (NeuHarmony) Prerecorded interview with Ian Boddy on March 20, 2004 in Philadelphia Ian Boddy Exliptic Chiasmata (DiN) Zero Ohms Wu Trans Spheres (Zop Opus) 12:00 am Zero Ohms Cloudless Night Trans Spheres (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms Stone Chime Hung from Trans Spheres (Zop Opus) West Mountain Zero Ohms Shen Fountain Trans Spheres (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms Breathe Beat Trans Spheres (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms No Shape, No Shadow Trans Spheres (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms River Morning Trans Spheres (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms Shadow Hunter Trans Spheres (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms Temple of the Sun Trans Spheres (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms Shaman's Spirit Trans Spheres (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms Sorrow Remembered Trans Spheres (Zop Opus) Zero Ohms Green Dive / Hu Trans Spheres (Zop Opus) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on the Alpha Wave Movement. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "A Distant Signal" on the HRR label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Galaxie Cygnus-A" by Robert Schroder on the IC label. I will play the music of AirSculpture who will be performing at the Gatherings on April 17. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 21:32:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2R2TOV07182; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:29:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:29:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c413a3$525f22a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: BLACKFACE: a musing Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:29:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <3GgGr.A.FwB.DcOZAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre wrote: "As an african-american - -I thought we had moved past the ugly concept of "blackface". I donąt care if oberheim, korg, or fender is involved.. We must speak out!!" Being a white man, I realize I can never know how deeply such a comment would trigger me if I were black so I think we should proceed with extreme caution and sensitivity with this subject. I , personally, am working towards a world where the ravages of racism, sexism, aegism will be long forgotten. But, as Michael Franti of Spearhead said after the depressing anti-war rally in San Francisco that occurred right after the War in Iraq had started out: If we think that the cause of a world that is peaceful is a valid concept, then we have to realize that it will not occur in our lifetime. That musn't deter us from working hard as advocates of a peaceful world and a world where mutual respect and cultural diversity is both promoted and appreciated. We must be prepared to work hard for our entire lives so that the next six or seven generations of human beings even have a shot at creating such a world. Being an eternal optimist (well, usually) I think it is worth working for. About the use of Blackface as a description of the newer and unavailable EDPs, Personally, I get really sad when we can't use words like 'gay' and 'blackface' because cultural intolerance has turned those phrases from literal ones into highly sensitive and hurtful concepts. How, Andre, would you suggest that we refer to the physical description of the new EDPs versus the old ones. My mind is open. yours, respectfully, Rick Walker aka L()()p.p()()L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 22:29:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2R3Op517103; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:24:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:24:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009501c413ab$5f666d20$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <007301c413a3$525f22a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: BLACKFACE: a musing Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:27:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.246.56] at Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:24:49 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <0Zrd6D.A.ELE.DQPZAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com c'mon - we all know looping is GAY. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: BLACKFACE: a musing > Andre wrote: > > "As an african-american - -I thought we had moved past the ugly concept of > "blackface". > I donąt care if oberheim, korg, or fender is involved.. We must speak out!!" > > > Being a white man, I realize I can never know how deeply such a comment > would trigger me if I were black > so I think we should proceed with extreme caution and sensitivity with this > subject. > > I , personally, am working towards a world where the ravages of racism, > sexism, aegism will be long forgotten. > > But, as Michael Franti of Spearhead said after the depressing anti-war rally > in San Francisco that occurred right after the > War in Iraq had started out: If we think that the cause of a world that is > peaceful is a valid concept, then we have to realize that > it will not occur in our lifetime. That musn't deter us from working hard > as advocates of a peaceful world and a world where mutual > respect and cultural diversity is both promoted and appreciated. We must be > prepared to work hard for our entire lives so that the next > six or seven generations of human beings even have a shot at creating such a > world. Being an eternal optimist (well, usually) I think it is worth > working for. > > About the use of Blackface as a description of the newer and unavailable > EDPs, > Personally, I get really sad when we can't use words like 'gay' and > 'blackface' because cultural intolerance has turned those phrases from > literal ones into highly sensitive and hurtful concepts. > > How, Andre, would you suggest that we refer to the physical description of > the new EDPs versus the old ones. My mind is open. > > yours, respectfully, Rick Walker aka L()()p.p()()L > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 22:45:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2R3iKW21276; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:44:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:44:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <04DE593D-7FA1-11D8-BE75-000A95864C54@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Greg Kucharo Subject: Re: Don Preston -- 71 year old looping maniac!! Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:44:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Holy smokes, I can't believe Don is 71! Sounds like a good tour. On Mar 26, 2004, at 3:58 PM, Andre Cholmondeley wrote: > Hey > > For those of you in the NorthEast --(NY, MA, RI, NJ, PA) - we have a > quick > little tour with synth pioneer, jazz legend and member of Zappa's > Mothers OF > Invention (1966-1974) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------- Someday, there will be no workers, only artists. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 22:58:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2R3vUG24314; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:57:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:57:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Black/White Straight/Gay Loop Infusion Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:57:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <009501c413ab$5f666d20$0affff0a@hppav> Thread-Index: AcQTq4evQx8FtrC8R8efyEm/LQWbIQAA8ogg Message-Id: <20040327035723.UWKI2430.fed1mtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Kirkdorffer wrote: c'mon - we all know looping is GAY. :-) So many colors in the homo rainbow . . . Well, looping IS playing with yourself! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 26 23:02:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2R41Qe26657; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:01:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:01:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009e01c413b0$7b84f760$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040327035723.UWKI2430.fed1mtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Black/White Straight/Gay Loop Infusion Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:03:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.163.246.56] at Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:01:24 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And for the longest time 80% of edps are sold within 150 miles of San Fran! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Black/White Straight/Gay Loop Infusion > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > c'mon - we all know looping is GAY. > > :-) > > So many colors in the homo rainbow . . . > Well, looping IS playing with yourself! > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 27 04:10:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2R98rb28221; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 04:08:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 04:08:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C413E3.A6E13EE0@dyn-83-154-236-179.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Blackfaces Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:09:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C413E3.A6E8E000" Resent-Message-ID: <6NZG5.A.y4G.lSUZAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C413E3.A6E8E000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with you Suit & Tie guy; is this a joke or are some people confusing so many things when there is no point ??? should the black color be banned from all new gear design,=20 and the word itself removed from all languages ? and please let's not forget to ban the words red, yellow, brown, white, as well as green for whatever can be found on Mars, blue for the Smurfs = ...=20 by the way I am fat and old, I have suffered from anti fat racism all my = life, but I could also have been tall, bald, thin, young, small or whatever = else;=20 I think "fat sound" and "vintage" should be banned: they could mean a = little too much for me. ask Gibson to paint them grey (is that OK ?) ... if ever they finally = decide to market them ! last thing : anything more interesting like music and loops these days ? = (I know there is) Francois -----Message d'origine----- De: Suit & Tie Guy [SMTP:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Date: samedi 27 mars 2004 02:35 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: Blackfaces On Mar 26, 2004, at 5:58 PM, Andre Cholmondeley wrote: > I'm nauseous. > \As an african-american - -I thought we had moved past the ugly=20 > concept of > "blackface". are you joking? 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Grossman" To: References: <007301c413a3$525f22a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: BLACKFACE: a musing Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:37:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Personally, I get really sad when we can't use words like 'gay' and > 'blackface' because cultural intolerance has turned those phrases from > literal ones into highly sensitive and hurtful concepts. I had never heard the term blackface used for anything other than the old vaudeville act ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface ) until this topic came up. To be honest, I didn't think too much about it but I can totally understand how someone might take offense to that. To be fair though, it is also obvious that no offense was meant by its usage here. Perhaps there is another benign usage of the term we're not all aware of. I vote that we just stop using the term and drop the subject. As I've said, just say EDP+. It's easier to type too. :-) - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 27 09:08:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2RE75H24895; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:07:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:07:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: RE: BLACKFACE: a musing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:07:04 -0500 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Message-ID: <5E2EAB63AC1D8D4B9D1A597266431A590FAEF5@usnap3mailfe.asg.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: BLACKFACE: a musing Thread-Index: AcQT54Fl4Xqr3t2wQP+kfDmX8PmesQAHPY5A From: "Don Makoviney" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2RE74o24873 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not an offensive term. It never originated from anything racist. It is a description. This is ridiculous. And I have been the victim of intolerance and bigotry. Just because one dude feels it is an offensive term, doesn't mean we need to change. I respect the guy's opinion, but opinions are like. . .um. . .something. . .I can't remember. Give me my blackface. Give me my blackface. Give me my blackface. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com] >>Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 5:37 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: BLACKFACE: a musing >> >>> Personally, I get really sad when we can't use words like >>'gay' and >>> 'blackface' because cultural intolerance has turned those >>phrases from >>> literal ones into highly sensitive and hurtful concepts. >> >>I had never heard the term blackface used for anything other >>than the old vaudeville act ( >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface ) until this topic >>came up. To be honest, I didn't think too much about it but I >>can totally understand how someone might take offense to >>that. To be fair though, it is also obvious that no offense >>was meant by its usage here. Perhaps there is another benign >>usage of the term we're not all aware of. >> >>I vote that we just stop using the term and drop the subject. >>As I've said, just say EDP+. It's easier to type too. :-) >> >>- Dave >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 27 11:20:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2RGH9125281; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:17:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:17:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:17:01 +0100 Subject: Re: BLACKFACE: a musing From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c413e7$7e385290$6501a8c0@watercooled> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-03-27 11.37, "David J. Grossman" wrote: >> Personally, I get really sad when we can't use words like 'gay' and >> 'blackface' because cultural intolerance has turned those phrases from >> literal ones into highly sensitive and hurtful concepts. > > I had never heard the term blackface used for anything other than the old > vaudeville act There is also this guitar amplifier by Fender, called "Blackface". Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 27 16:02:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2RKxOV07624; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 15:59:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 15:59:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:59:29 -0800 Subject: MOTU 828mkII From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone here used this as a standalone line mixer? One of the things on my list of equipment needing upgrading is my Passac Unity8. It's a bit noisy (though not bad given that I paid $50), but it's one of the few things I've found that not only has two effects sends per channel it has stereo effects sends. Would the 828mkII work as a replacement (and also give me a computer interface for those times when my computer was at hand)? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 27 16:06:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2RL57T08796; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:05:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:05:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:05:12 -0800 Subject: Re: MOTU 828mkII From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And how deep is the thing? My current mobile rack is a bit depth constrained though that helps with mobility. Thanks. Mark on 3/27/04 12:59 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: > Has anyone here used this as a standalone line mixer? One of the things on > my list of equipment needing upgrading is my Passac Unity8. It's a bit noisy > (though not bad given that I paid $50), but it's one of the few things I've > found that not only has two effects sends per channel it has stereo effects > sends. Would the 828mkII work as a replacement (and also give me a computer > interface for those times when my computer was at hand)? > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 27 17:10:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2RM8Gl26210; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:08:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:08:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <408ADD76.5000308@unguitar.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:34:46 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MOTU 828mkII References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, Italian Motu distributor asked me to check its stand alone mixing capability. It's a very good box ! Imagine you have a matrix where you can assign each stereo ins (max 3 stereo couples) a buss send. Then you can assign an output stereo couple as buss "receive". The set up I used to test it was: Analog ins: * 1-dry input (from preamp) * 2- * 3-Orville A L. * 4-Orville A R. * 5-Orville B L. * 6-Orville B R. * 8-Echoplex Digital In: Spdif - Fireworx (44,1 kHz) Analog Out : * 1- * 2- * 3-Orville A L. * 4-Orville A R. * 5-Orville B L. * 6-Orville B R. * 7- * 8-Echoplex Digital Out: Spdif - Fireworx (44,1 kHz) Master Analog Output to desk Busses were set this way: 1. Buss 1 ( Analog Out 3-4 to Orville A ins): Analog In 1 2. Buss 2 ( Analog Out 5-6 to Orville B ins): Analog In 1 3. Buss 3 ( Analog Out 8* to Edp in ): Analog In 3-4-5-6 4. Buss 4 (Master Out to desk ins): Analog In 3-4-5-6-8 Spdif In Audio quality is excellent and signal monitoring very good. Currently its limits for a deeper use are: -it doesn't consider mono Busses -it doesn't allow to change mix "scenes" via midi -it doesn't allow to assign more outputs to the same buss All these things could be part of its next software release as they aren't hardware limitations, if Motu wants to load it of standalone mixing flexibility. As I remember it's no more than 25 cm. deep. Good luck, luca www.unguitar.com Mark Hamburg wrote: >Has anyone here used this as a standalone line mixer? One of the things on >my list of equipment needing upgrading is my Passac Unity8. It's a bit noisy >(though not bad given that I paid $50), but it's one of the few things I've >found that not only has two effects sends per channel it has stereo effects >sends. Would the 828mkII work as a replacement (and also give me a computer >interface for those times when my computer was at hand)? > >Mark > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 28 19:59:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2T0sst14100; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 19:54:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 19:54:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c4152c$7a574320$6401a8c0@domainnotset.invalid> From: "Jim Palmer" To: References: <007301c413a3$525f22a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: BLACKFACE: a musing Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 19:23:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rick walker wrote: > About the use of Blackface as a description of the newer and unavailable > EDPs, > Personally, I get really sad when we can't use words like 'gay' and > 'blackface' because cultural intolerance has turned those phrases from > literal ones into highly sensitive and hurtful concepts. > what about "jamman" hehe... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 29 07:07:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2TC4Zf14306; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:04:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:04:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40680F6E.972FC1CA@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 03:58:39 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Echoplex Analysis Pages... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...version 2.0: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP New things have appeared. Old things have vanished. Complaints will be dealt with once it's no longer 3:57 AM. We hope you enjoy our new direction. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 29 08:51:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2TDnIB30463; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:49:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:49:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c41594$d00a5e20$e39b5142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <007301c413a3$525f22a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <002501c4152c$7a574320$6401a8c0@domainnotset.invalid> Subject: Re: BLACKFACE: a musing Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 05:50:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > rick walker wrote: > > About the use of Blackface as a description of the newer and unavailable > > EDPs, > > Personally, I get really sad when we can't use words like 'gay' and > > 'blackface' because cultural intolerance has turned those phrases from > > literal ones into highly sensitive and hurtful concepts. > > > > what about "jamman" > > hehe... jes feggidabout Big Muff or Swollen Pickle. Obloopitem... Setup: I'm now stripped down to my Boss GT-5, with a Fuzz Probe and Wah in front - A Lovetone ?qm flanger followed by my EDP in the fx loop. The loop is moveable for each patch, so in one patch I can play 'normal' sounding guitar into the edp - then on the next run the loop into distortion and ringmod if I wish. There's a few limitations, but I've been really pleased with the versatility and portability of this setup. Sometimes just patch a Vortex to the stereo outs of the GT-5 as well. I'm thinking about a new pedal board with the edp (and maybe vortex) mounted faceplate up at the rear, so the entire rig goes out the door on one handle. Miko "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ICS Santa Cruz X-Ray Lodge! Fresh man, fresh... http://www.powerhat.com/ics From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 29 09:38:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2TEWov04982; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:32:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:32:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:34:58 -0500 Subject: Blackface/Humor From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys/gals I'm soooo sorry if I caused someone any undue guilt or misdirected sorrow -- I was totally kidding!!! I thought my post was sooooo sarcastic/ironic that it would be clear!! - My apologies - wow! I was offline for a day or two after that post - so amazed to come back now and see deep serious discussions of the slight!! Take it from me - it's FINE to use the term 'blackface' in reference to an amp!! it's got a black face. Other than the most extremely sensitive people found in every group - I'm here to say that almost anyone would find it all funny!! We all need to take a step backwards with what offends us --humor is great and CLICHES exist for a reason...... I was injecting humor. Cheers - and back to the looping!!! (although.... SOME ASPECTS of Dealing with racial issues are basically one big loop!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 29 09:41:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2TEeAY06269; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:40:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:40:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:38:06 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Blackface/Humor X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20040329.063829.5166.18613@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3836566766 Resent-Message-ID: <_ysIqD.A.0hB.KVDaAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard the term Blackfront the other day and wondered if it too would offend? We're still the best alternative world in the Solar system! Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 29 11:57:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2TGlKE26465; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:47:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:47:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:47:13 -0800 Subject: Re: Blackface/Humor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Given that you play in a Zappa tribute band, we should have seen the humor more quickly. Great job, Andre! And the gigs with Preston sound totally cool! On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 06:34 AM, Andre Cholmondeley wrote: > Hey guys/gals > > I'm soooo sorry if I caused someone any undue guilt or misdirected > sorrow -- > I was totally kidding!!! I thought my post was sooooo sarcastic/ironic > that > it would be clear!! - My apologies - wow! > > I was offline for a day or two after that post - so amazed to come > back now > and see deep serious discussions of the slight!! > > Take it from me - it's FINE to use the term 'blackface' in reference > to an > amp!! it's got a black face. Other than the most extremely sensitive > people > found in every group - I'm here to say that almost anyone would find > it all > funny!! > > We all need to take a step backwards with what offends us --humor is > great > and CLICHES exist for a reason...... I was injecting humor. > > Cheers - and back to the looping!!! > (although.... SOME ASPECTS of Dealing with racial issues are basically > one > big loop!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 29 14:57:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2TJgfi23357; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:42:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:42:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040329194239.66532.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:42:39 -0800 (PST) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: FCB1010 w/EDP (was Re: Black oberheim dates????) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c4136f$eb20f600$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "David J. Grossman" wrote: > > From what I've read here, there are indeed a > number of > > happy FCB1010-EDP users. But Kim also said this > pedal > > won't reproduce ALL the functionality, just a > subset. > > Whether or not this will be sufficient for me is > > something I have to investigate, given I want to > do > > the Turntablist concept. > > Hmmm. I'm not sure what can't be done with it that > can be done with the > regular pedal. All DirectMIDI commands are easily > programmable. These > include all of the buttons on the EDP pedal and the > front-panel buttons as > well. I can also access the presets. > > - Dave I just did a search-and-read on the LD archives and found Andre's post in which he states that the FCB1010 is good enough for 99% of the techniques he uses with the EDP. So if it's good enough for Mr. Turntablist Guitar, it should be good enough for Mr. Future Turntablist Violist. ;) Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 29 15:05:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2TJx5T26074; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:59:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:59:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Carl McClatchey" To: Subject: Please help...Which Looping Pedal? Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:03:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-PMX-Version: 4.5.0.90627, Antispam-Core: 4.0.4.91600, Antispam-Data: 2004.3.26.95500 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=XXIIIIIII, Probability=27%, Report='RCVD_IN_CBL 3, __OIMO_MSGID 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __EVITE_CTYPE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __HAS_X_PRIORITY 0, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI 0, __OIMO_MUA 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __ANY_OUTLOOK_MUA 0, __HAS_OUTLOOK_IN_MAILER 0, __HAS_MIMEOLE 0, __UNUSABLE_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0' Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am looking at the Akai Headrush, the Line6 DM-4, the Boss DD-20 and the Boss RC-20. I want to be able to play a guitar part, loop it, play another part over that part and have the original loop fade out as I record another loop. Essentially, record part A, loop it, play/record part B, loop it, play part C and, after part A has faded out, loop part C. I do not care too much about adding any crazy sounds effects to the mix, though a bit of delay would be nice to be able to add into the mix. Seems like the DD-20 is too limited as far as number of looping tracks as well as how it saves the tracks. Seems like the RC-20 is too limited as far as layering multiple tracks. The Line6 sounds poorly constructed and the Headrush is something of an enigma. Thoughts? Thanks in advance for your time and assistance. Carl McClatchey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 29 15:08:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2TJwFT25402; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:58:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:58:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: The Echoplex Analysis Pages... Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:59:50 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c415c8$659606f0$6601a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <40680F6E.972FC1CA@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Andre, lookin' forward to checking it out. For people who've 'studied' your last rev of the pages (and are lost down the rabbit holes such studies inspire to traverse), could you give some idea of What's New? Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:59 AM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: The Echoplex Analysis Pages... > > ...version 2.0: > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > > New things have appeared. Old things have vanished. Complaints will be > dealt with once it's no longer 3:57 AM. > > We hope you enjoy our new direction. > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 29 17:29:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2TMP6j16850; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:25:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:25:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c415dc$b63fa7f0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: Subject: Re: Please help...Which Looping Pedal? Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:25:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com None of them do what you are asking(I own all of the pedals you have mentions). The only loopers that allow that kinda manipulation are the Repeater and the EDP(as they have a feedback control). You can kinda do it with the DD-20, but you have to set a delay time first, and work the feedback knob in real time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl McClatchey" To: Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:03 PM Subject: Please help...Which Looping Pedal? > I am looking at the Akai Headrush, the Line6 DM-4, the Boss DD-20 and the > Boss RC-20. > > I want to be able to play a guitar part, loop it, play another part over > that part and have the original loop fade out as I record another loop. > Essentially, record part A, loop it, play/record part B, loop it, play part > C and, after part A has faded out, loop part C. I do not care too much about > adding any crazy sounds effects to the mix, though a bit of delay would be > nice to be able to add into the mix. > > Seems like the DD-20 is too limited as far as number of looping tracks as > well as how it saves the tracks. Seems like the RC-20 is too limited as far > as layering multiple tracks. The Line6 sounds poorly constructed and the > Headrush is something of an enigma. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks in advance for your time and assistance. > > Carl McClatchey > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 29 18:30:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2TNOkO24499; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:24:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:24:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a3.223c4330.2d9a0a2d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:24:29 EST Subject: Re: Please help...Which Looping Pedal? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a3.223c4330.2d9a0a2d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a3.223c4330.2d9a0a2d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/29/04 2:59:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, cmcclatchey@amlaw.com writes: > Thoughts? > boomerang perhaps --part1_1a3.223c4330.2d9a0a2d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 3/29/04 2:59:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, cmcclatchey@amlaw.com=20= writes:


Thoughts?


boomerang perhaps --part1_1a3.223c4330.2d9a0a2d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 29 18:38:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2TNYb625818; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:34:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:34:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d001c415e6$6758c9f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Gay Blackfaced Misogyny Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:34:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim Palmer wrote (in response to me saying, " I get really sad when we can't use words like 'gay' and 'blackface' because cultural intolerance has turned those phrases from literal ones into highly sensitive and hurtful concepts.) "what about "jamman" hehe..." LMAO, I'm so disgustingly 'northern california hippy PC' that I duplicated the graphics of my three Jammans and turned all my units into JamPERSONs!!!!! I even offered a Jamman Politically Correct conversion kit for anyone interested (I think I got one response and a rash of shit...........LOL). Like a lot of people in here I have two sides to my personality: One, wants to be as sensitive and mutually respectful as possible to all human beings the other Wants to be irreverent and poke fun at everyone. This little thread has sent both personalities into a mud wrestling bout..... I'll put up a subscription website when I have the video produced and finished of this epic battle.........lol. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 29 19:00:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2TNtHg28291; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:55:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:55:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4068B600.6E3C8523@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:49:21 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Echoplex Analysis Pages... References: <000001c415c8$659606f0$6601a8c0@neil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Neil, Neil Goldstein wrote: > For people who've 'studied' your last rev of the pages (and are lost > down the rabbit holes such studies inspire to traverse), could you give > some idea of What's New? - Added a new section with track-by-track annotations for my most recent CD, and a (hopefully) more appealing layout, - Consolidated two previous sections (from 2001-2002) down to one, and weeded out most of the free downloads to a handfull of the ones that hold up the best at this point, - Edited a lot of the text to try and make it more concise and useful, - Removed the (pseudo?) intellectual essays for the time being. I may replace them with a FAQ (or, knowing me, even more meandering commentary) at some point... Basically trying to get the section (and my web site as a whole) fine-tuned, dynamic, and streamlined... Hope you enjoy, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 29 20:24:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2U1Kac10028; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:20:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:20:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:22:31 -0500 Subject: Blackface/Re: jokiing. i thought. + DD20!! From: andre To: Suit & Tie Guy CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks eric Yes indeed- I was surely joking. My daily salve against insanity. What was cool-- and accidents like this always are.. Is that I inadvertently got all kinds of cool insight into how some folks think!! I saw the whole spectrum - or much of it - and some direct emails that were pretty cool. And at least one person who approached even the POSSIBILITY that I was REALLY offended - with the old technique of "I'll decide WHO should be offended by WHAT...'Now I'll say it over and over to prove how much I have the 'right' to. Or was it?? Interesting. A loop of a different sort... Quite the diverse set of reactions..... I love it!! the human rainbow. Anyway -- back to the FUN....!! Yeah - good to see some DD 20 talk.. I love that damn box.... Indeed - I forget who asked the other day - but YES - it does have that neat trick of letting you: -create your 23 sec loop (overdubbing if you want) - then with another tap of the (right side) selector, you can then apply anything up to another 23 secs of delayed signal....with any of the delay models. Of course the Line 6/DD4 kinda lets you do this - but only a very short delay.. I just love this unit for live work -- I've said it b4 but the tap-tempo function and GIANT LCD backlit delay-time indicator is PRICELESS... Insist on a $200-225 deal and you made a steal. Bummer about the 'zipper effect', my one dis for this box. -andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 03:09:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2U87cC01165; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 03:07:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 03:07:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C4163E.F3C3DEE0@dyn-83-154-67-204.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Please help...Which Looping Pedal? Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:08:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C4163E.F3C3DEE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4163E.F3C3DEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello, from what I read on your post, you do not want to do lots of really fancy/tricky/strange things, glitching or whatever. I have to say that the Boomerang also has a feedback control; you can create loop A, play it, overdub something (phrase B) to it, let the result play, overdub and/or play along, etc etc... if you turn off overdubbing, the result will continue looping as it is (and you can play along); if you let overdub on, the resul will continue looping, fading out according to the number of repeats you configured for that loop (and you can always play along); and this is for each of the 2 loops (A/B) available on the Boomerang, each one having a configurable different feedback rate. 3 more things : as far as I know, - the Boomerang is currently available (no postponed delivery dates); - it is still in production and supported (unlike the Repeater) even if you won't need support ; - it is cheaper than both the EDP and the Repeater; Francois check Early Wanderings samples on http://1000.times.free.fr Carl McClatchey [cmcclatchey@amlaw.com] > I am looking at the Akai Headrush, the Line6 DM-4, the Boss DD-20 and the > Boss RC-20. > > I want to be able to play a guitar part, loop it, play another part over > that part and have the original loop fade out as I record another loop. > Essentially, record part A, loop it, play/record part B, loop it, play part > C and, after part A has faded out, loop part C. I do not care too much about > adding any crazy sounds effects to the mix, though a bit of delay would be > nice to be able to add into the mix. > > Seems like the DD-20 is too limited as far as number of looping tracks as > well as how it saves the tracks. Seems like the RC-20 is too limited as far > as layering multiple tracks. The Line6 sounds poorly constructed and the > Headrush is something of an enigma. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks in advance for your time and assistance. > > Carl McClatchey > ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4163E.F3C3DEE0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+Ih4IAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAIAIAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAMAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAZQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdo dEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAFNNVFAATG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdo dC5jb20AAAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAACQAAABMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRA bG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbQADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAmAAAAJ0xvb3BlcnMt RGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tJwAAAAIBCzABAAAAKQAAAFNNVFA6TE9PUEVSUy1E RUxJR0hUQExPT1BFUlMtREVMSUdIVC5DT00AAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAB4A9l8BAAAAJAAA AExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAAIB918BAAAAZQAAAAAAAACBKx+k vqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAFNNVFAA TG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20AAAAAAwD9XwEAAAADAP9fAAAAAAIB 9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAPDhQEEgAEAJwAAAFJFOiBQbGVhc2UgaGVscC4uLldoaWNoIExvb3Bpbmcg UGVkYWw/AM4MAQWAAwAOAAAA1AcDAB4ACgAIABoAAgAqAQEggAMADgAAANQHAwAeAAkAJwAwAAIA XgEBCYABACEAAAA5MEY1N0NFOTI4MTZDNDExQjJGRjIyN0FDQjcxOTBGMwAxBwEDkAYA+AgAACEA AAALAAIAAQAAAAsAIwAAAAAAAwAmAAAAAAALACkAAAAAAAMALgAAAAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkAgJy1 LS4WxAEeAHAAAQAAACcAAABSRTogUGxlYXNlIGhlbHAuLi5XaGljaCBMb29waW5nIFBlZGFsPwAA AgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAcQWLi2k6q/uwYIsEdie40RFU1QAAAAAHgAeDAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAe AB8MAQAAABIAAABmci5sZWJydW5AZnJlZS5mcgAAAAMABhDgNIvRAwAHEPkFAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUA AABIRUxMTyxGUk9NV0hBVElSRUFET05ZT1VSUE9TVCxZT1VET05PVFdBTlRUT0RPTE9UU09GUkVB TExZRkFOQ1kvVFJJQ0tZL1NUUkFOR0VUSElOR1MsR0xJVENISU5HT1JXSEFUAAAAAAIBCRABAAAA zgUAAMoFAADCCQAATFpGdUvAQuM/AAoBAwH3AqQD4wIAY2jBCsBzZXQwIAcTAoNjAFAO71RhaANx AoMybwNFERoHfAKAfQqACMggYjsJbzI1NQKACoF2SQiQd2sLgGQ0DGBjGwBQCwNjAEELYG5nMTgw MzYLpwqxCoBoZZJsCQAsIANSIHcPcIkFQEkgCXBhZCACIAQgeQhhIHBvc3QDGlAbsSBkbyBub+0F QHcAcAVAdBywHKAZpGUJAHQEIG9mGyIaIHlDGmAAcGN5L3QFEGNWax9AHCByGLFlHVBoCQuAZ3Ma UGdsaXSfD2AgcRtwBcAawmV2BJB+LhmkGaQbEA9wIfAdUnM+YR7gIFAa4SBQIDBCb9cDcASQGLEg B0BzHLAPcE0EIGEaYAngZGIA0Gt+IAWgAjADYAJwIjocYmMvA5EFABtAIdAgCQBvcL8P4BpQC1Ee 4CDwGlBvIfE4ZHViI4AkgSBTICjccGgf8A+gJFApHVIpQY8dtQ+wJBMJcHN1bAVA5yjyKWgAcGQv BbEo8wdArQIgZxpQD7BjLwIuL4D3GaQGkBxTdAhwA6AeYB5w/SmFYiBxGlAsWQPwGiAmM/8LgApQ KGMhMiVhIPApMAQg3igt4RxTJ8IuWCkmtTAV/ywSKYYCIDHJMo8zkxpRG1D9ITN1BUAA0AWhOhMd YBmk3yQiMzAG0ASQHlRwKCEEIOMngwIgZmlnCHAJgBpgvwWxI9MoczSLB0AdEHkEIP81XyKFNJIg UTQBBCA+EhtANw9gHlIkIjIoYzRhQS//KyEjIAtwC2ACYCAwG4EkK/caUBmkQrRuIDAjETOzPVf/ RKM6EAEgBJAJ8AVAJbcf8HMh0CIrMyAEYAlwIEUgvjoz4h8ABcAlYRsQaxzQ2ncrpS0kHTRRYwhw SLL7HtFEWCgc0BvzHABG0BtgrwEAIOAh8R7gZCHBczX2/00QNCQcIDiSC4Ab8ANgKcDeYzMQG4E0 kiywcBwAACDRPeEodW4g4GsgMiAwflI8swSQKzAh4QOgMBV3/QIgJwVARtA94VPFFYFRe/8PYBtA PMA+MwOgBuAgUCQTeEVEUFNzVOomuwr0c35iGOABQCOQXJIYYA/QRu8f8QWgBAAQdDEZECDgRtFv XsICsViSJhFFCsAe0VfvLeEGcUtCI5BtC1AHkRuBQmgCQHA6Ly9ckTD2LjMQB4EuA1AJ4GKBElP/ C/AXsFvJGGIZOwr0IOAZAM0P0ENfwQXQY0MLYCEBYmUe4FtjbTqwZpVAk2DQC2B3LgWgbV0iNX9d MQqgA2Ah0FMgXvEZsz4/GwFg0ChiF3Ek4SQEQWsJC3AgSBtBcnVzaAUxxExekTYgRE0tjjQxxCRg BBFERC0B0GdaNmnGbbNSQ24hIiU+/2nIHRY8MCTwRLIdYS5UIMD+dSDwCsEKsRwxKHMpQi5U/xzR GgBzBClzacYj03TjNJL/IxQkMQWwPaALgAdAKGQ58f9E0TpyTCIJcDrCdFcocm/2/1nwBBBIwQcx HtAaUHkldOPrKMFziy97ukJzbRmkcyJtacZDLdIaUGEBgHS2QT8lQ3hCG2E6cHNldONDLn8bARyl J8BK4iRwSrAX0Gj/QVUG4DpwacYbUDoTAHAe4LkFAGF6HuAlIFRwZAQgHwERaXEEIB1hJCJtaXj7 McIIYGdC4CWQMYA3AR5w/1BhI6FWgCzAG2A8MGnGAwD+YyNDcZmF8VKRh/hv/gZg/GVtBCBUl24E NFGEQiDg/4hgVCJLqDwIM3Yf4R+QJXH7DzBp1XcaETPiEeAH4DQh/yOQIfCH0SQxkkSDQI5Nb6P/ j4+SxUvRhXeOgSOgYFOEce8s0AUgceKU9VRsh4cFHAD/BbAe0SZBH9FTEZBSbnxr1v9SAyoXHmED kQnwPaAAwG/+95qgiNIeMD+gDwBwkoFSof8bUERgHyAgMD4SG7NiMlNz/yVgAJAcIKNCb/5mHXAL IjoFFLEAqRAAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAEAAAADAIAQ/////0AABzDA38ItKhbEAUAACDDA38ItKhbE AQMAAIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABCFAAAAAAAACwADgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAA A4UAAAAAAAADABWACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABShQAAtw0AAAMAF4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAA AABGAAAAAAGFAAAAAAAAHgAcgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAVIUAAAEAAAAEAAAAOC4wAAsA HYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAA6FAAAAAAAAAwAegAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEYUA AAAAAAADAB+ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAYhQAAAAAAAB4ANoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABG AAAAADaFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeADeACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA3hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAA AAAAHgA4gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAOIUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4APQABAAAABQAAAFJF OiAAAAAAAwANNP03AAAgbQ== ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4163E.F3C3DEE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 08:19:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2UDHBr10286; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:17:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:17:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Blackface/Re: jokiing. i thought. + DD20!! X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:17:02 -0500 Message-ID: <5E2EAB63AC1D8D4B9D1A597266431A592DEEB8@usnap3mailfe.asg.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Blackface/Re: jokiing. i thought. + DD20!! Thread-Index: AcQV9VkC9mKKhzlIQIuARngxWggP8QAY+DjA From: "Don Makoviney" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2UDHAo10264 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sweet. That was awesome! I was one who sent you a private email. You got me! D-MAK >>-----Original Message----- >>From: andre [mailto:projectobject@earthlink.net] >>Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:23 PM >>To: Suit & Tie Guy >>Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Blackface/Re: jokiing. i thought. + DD20!! >> >>Thanks eric >> >>Yes indeed- I was surely joking. My daily salve against insanity. >> >>What was cool-- and accidents like this always are.. Is that >>I inadvertently got all kinds of cool insight into how some >>folks think!! I saw the whole spectrum - or much of it - and >>some direct emails that were pretty cool. >>And at least one person who approached even the POSSIBILITY >>that I was REALLY offended - with the old technique of "I'll >>decide WHO should be offended by WHAT...'Now I'll say it over >>and over to prove how much I have the 'right' to. Or was it?? >>Interesting. A loop of a different sort... >>Quite the diverse set of reactions..... I love it!! the human rainbow. >> >> >>Anyway -- back to the FUN....!! >> >>Yeah - good to see some DD 20 talk.. I love that damn box.... >> >>Indeed - I forget who asked the other day - but YES - it does >>have that neat trick of letting you: >> >>-create your 23 sec loop (overdubbing if you want) >>- then with another tap of the (right side) selector, you can >>then apply anything up to another 23 secs of delayed >>signal....with any of the delay models. Of course the Line >>6/DD4 kinda lets you do this - but only a very short delay.. >> >>I just love this unit for live work -- I've said it b4 but >>the tap-tempo function and GIANT LCD backlit delay-time >>indicator is PRICELESS... >> >>Insist on a $200-225 deal and you made a steal. Bummer about >>the 'zipper effect', my one dis for this box. >> >>-andre >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 10:29:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2UFP8729032; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:25:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:25:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <00d001c415e6$6758c9f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00d001c415e6$6758c9f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6C4E90B1-825E-11D8-8719-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Digital Performer 4 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:25:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, what's your address again? I'll send out some discs to you today. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 11:13:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2UG7kL04222; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:07:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:07:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Carl McClatchey" To: Subject: RE: Please help...Which Looping Pedal? Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:12:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-PMX-Version: 4.5.0.90627, Antispam-Core: 4.0.4.91600, Antispam-Data: 2004.3.29.95668 Resent-Message-ID: <0ljCgD.A.3BB.RtZaAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting. I suppose I should have clarified my price range, as the Boomerang is a little out of my league price-wise. I am looking to spend no more than $225. I don't necessarliy HAVE to have all of the features I mentioned, but being able to lay multiple loops over one another and having them fade out, or at least not click off in the middle of a loop as a new one is added, is pretty essential, as is being able to re-insert a loop after I have cut it off. As for the delay stuff, I can just buy a separate simple delay pedal for that, yes? Again, thanks so much for all of your help. ______________________________ Carl McClatchey Staff Accountant The Fulton County Daily Report (404)419-2811 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 12:35:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2UHSvp16500; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:28:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:28:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c4167c$56651f40$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <00d001c415e6$6758c9f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6C4E90B1-825E-11D8-8719-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Digital Performer 4 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:27:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark is back !!!!!!!!!!! pushed send a little too fast mmm ??? Have a nice day Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: Digital Performer 4 > Hey, what's your address again? I'll send out some discs to you today. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 13:05:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2UI0qa23009; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:00:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:00:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <001301c4167c$56651f40$0100a8c0@mini> References: <00d001c415e6$6758c9f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6C4E90B1-825E-11D8-8719-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> <001301c4167c$56651f40$0100a8c0@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2093794A-8274-11D8-8B53-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Digital Performer 4 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:00:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hahahaha. I have to remember to not deal with email before coffee. That was meant to go to a single person so to the list I apologize. Actually, I've been lurking for a while and I'll reply when I feel it's appropriate, but not to the list. I find I can help more and not be driven crazy by certain people this way. Just know that if and when one of you is typing something idiotic, I'm thinking of a really funny sarcastic thing in my head but just not typing it. It's best this way. Carry on. Mark On Mar 30, 2004, at 9:27 AM, Claude Voit wrote: > Hey Mark is back !!!!!!!!!!! > > pushed send a little too fast mmm ??? > > Have a nice day > > Claude > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:25 PM > Subject: Digital Performer 4 > > >> Hey, what's your address again? I'll send out some discs to you >> today. >> >> Mark >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 14:17:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2UIA0q24194; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:10:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:10:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:09:53 -0800 Message-ID: <405C587C000059B4@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <2093794A-8274-11D8-8B53-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: Digital Performer 4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2UIA0o24167 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey mark.. good to see your lurkingness.. :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: msottilaro >Subject: Re: Digital Performer 4 >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:00:28 -0800 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Hahahaha. I have to remember to not deal with email before coffee. >That was meant to go to a single person so to the list I apologize. > >Actually, I've been lurking for a while and I'll reply when I feel it's >appropriate, but not to the list. I find I can help more and not be >driven crazy by certain people this way. Just know that if and when >one of you is typing something idiotic, I'm thinking of a really funny >sarcastic thing in my head but just not typing it. It's best this way. > >Carry on. > >Mark > > >On Mar 30, 2004, at 9:27 AM, Claude Voit wrote: > >> Hey Mark is back !!!!!!!!!!! >> >> pushed send a little too fast mmm ??? >> >> Have a nice day >> >> Claude >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Sottilaro" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:25 PM >> Subject: Digital Performer 4 >> >> >>> Hey, what's your address again? I'll send out some discs to you >>> today. >>> >>> Mark >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 15:39:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2UKUR515405; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:30:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:30:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:30:20 -0800 Message-ID: <405C587C00005B8D@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: [gig] Atomic Mobius Machine Live on the Internet, April 3rd, 2004 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2UKUQo15382 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopers, Atomic Mobius Machine will once again be playing live for you on the internet! On Saturday, April 3rd, we'll be playing from 8pm-12am/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. (We usually play until 2am, for a whopping 6 hours of musical meanderings.) Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music (we've started calling it 'ambient loopadelic'), and features Dan Moore, Ross Artese, Craig Latta and myself, on various musical instruments, electronics, and computers. This performances 'speciallity' is that we should have a ton of guests sitting in with us. :) Please tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at http://www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, April 3rd, at 8pm for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... AwesomeRadio serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements. Here are the addresses to use: broadband http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 24/22 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 16/16 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 Atomic Mobius Machine broadcasts a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of the other addresses. feel free to visit our website: http://www.musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine. We are still in the process of moving the site to it's own domain, and in the interim there are no longer any mp3's on the site. Please email me if you are interested in obtaining any of the recordings until then. AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.awesomechat.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 16:03:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2UL03W21394; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:00:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:00:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c41699$fa10f840$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: Subject: Re: Please help...Which Looping Pedal? Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:00:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com None of them do that. The DD-20 KINDA can. You have to loop via delay time though, and it will require a long explination of how to do it and you will have to take you hands off the guitar. A PDS8000 can do it as well, kinda, again, the same rules apply to it as the DD-20, you will have to take your hands off it. The Maneco loopers aslso fall into this category. really, that function is only on the expensive ones. I dream of the day I can have a looper for under $600CDN that has that option. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl McClatchey" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: RE: Please help...Which Looping Pedal? > Interesting. > > I suppose I should have clarified my price range, as the Boomerang is a > little out of my league price-wise. I am looking to spend no more than $225. > I don't necessarliy HAVE to have all of the features I mentioned, but being > able to lay multiple loops over one another and having them fade out, or at > least not click off in the middle of a loop as a new one is added, is pretty > essential, as is being able to re-insert a loop after I have cut it off. As > for the delay stuff, I can just buy a separate simple delay pedal for that, > yes? > > Again, thanks so much for all of your help. > > ______________________________ > Carl McClatchey > Staff Accountant > The Fulton County Daily Report > (404)419-2811 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 16:38:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2ULXkr26704; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:33:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:33:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c4169e$af1c0730$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <000801c41699$fa10f840$6402a8c0@breakyii> Subject: Re: Please help...Which Looping Pedal? Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:33:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <8GAGiB.A.FhG.6eeaAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, I made the assumption you were a guitar player, too amny hours on guitar boards.... Shane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Whitbread" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Please help...Which Looping Pedal? > None of them do that. The DD-20 KINDA can. You have to loop via delay time > though, and it will require a long explination of how to do it and you will > have to take you hands off the guitar. > > A PDS8000 can do it as well, kinda, again, the same rules apply to it as the > DD-20, you will have to take your hands off it. The Maneco loopers aslso > fall into this category. > > really, that function is only on the expensive ones. I dream of the day I > can have a looper for under $600CDN that has that option. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl McClatchey" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:12 AM > Subject: RE: Please help...Which Looping Pedal? > > > > Interesting. > > > > I suppose I should have clarified my price range, as the Boomerang is a > > little out of my league price-wise. I am looking to spend no more than > $225. > > I don't necessarliy HAVE to have all of the features I mentioned, but > being > > able to lay multiple loops over one another and having them fade out, or > at > > least not click off in the middle of a loop as a new one is added, is > pretty > > essential, as is being able to re-insert a loop after I have cut it off. > As > > for the delay stuff, I can just buy a separate simple delay pedal for > that, > > yes? > > > > Again, thanks so much for all of your help. > > > > ______________________________ > > Carl McClatchey > > Staff Accountant > > The Fulton County Daily Report > > (404)419-2811 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 17:12:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2UM3nu31734; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:03:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:03:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:07:01 +0200 Subject: Berlin gig / NY? From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: G-6x9cZXYeOLtOs4DuDw8UzWxh4ry3t1lxyp+BWT-0ZuF9zusVskQR Resent-Message-ID: <9-jn1B.A.uvH.F7eaAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'll be looping avantgarde jazz guitar at the CAFE UEBERECK, Prenzlauer Allee 47, Berlin - Prenzlauer Berg this Friday night, April 2nd from 9:30 pm. If you have seen this gig advertised for the Waati, don't go there - this place will close down by the end of the month and my gig had to be transferred to the Uebereck. I am looking forward to that particular gig since I have been working on the midi control thing for the EDP and for the first time I feel the EDP is leaving the state of a self-fed audio playback machine that merely spins ostinatos. Instead, all the new options seem just right to turn it into a unit capable of speaking my personal musical language, even in freely improvised situations. So this Friday might be a great step ahead....or a dangerous accident. Also I am currently preparing to play some solo dates throughout the US (including an appearance at the Vancouver Jazz festival) from mid-June to early July. I'd like to do a small club thing in NY as well, but it seems my connections there are a bit rusty (I guess the guy that booked me for the KF in 1990 isn't even in business anymore...). If anyone can hint me to current places that are cool (Tonic? Bitter End? KF?) and can help me out with phone/email, please do so and mail me privately. Regards, Andreas Willers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 21:45:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2V1hMC31249; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:43:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:43:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c416c1$3c9196d0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <00d001c415e6$6758c9f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6C4E90B1-825E-11D8-8719-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> <001301c4167c$56651f40$0100a8c0@mini> <2093794A-8274-11D8-8B53-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Digital Performer 4 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:40:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Personally, I missed ya. Glad to know you're lurking out there. I'm doing much more lurking myself these days. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "msottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Digital Performer 4 > Hahahaha. I have to remember to not deal with email before coffee. > That was meant to go to a single person so to the list I apologize. > > Actually, I've been lurking for a while and I'll reply when I feel it's > appropriate, but not to the list. I find I can help more and not be > driven crazy by certain people this way. Just know that if and when > one of you is typing something idiotic, I'm thinking of a really funny > sarcastic thing in my head but just not typing it. It's best this way. > > Carry on. > > Mark > > > On Mar 30, 2004, at 9:27 AM, Claude Voit wrote: > > > Hey Mark is back !!!!!!!!!!! > > > > pushed send a little too fast mmm ??? > > > > Have a nice day > > > > Claude > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:25 PM > > Subject: Digital Performer 4 > > > > > >> Hey, what's your address again? I'll send out some discs to you > >> today. > >> > >> Mark > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 23:26:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2V4N5I25404; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:23:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:23:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20040330191904.01c62490@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix2004@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:29:08 -0800 To: "Looper's Delight" From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Loopstock 2004 - Does Anyone Care? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not a lot of response to my last message. It's happening Saturday, May 1st. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 23:30:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2V4TES26801; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:29:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:29:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:28:13 -0800 Subject: Re: Digital Performer 4 From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c416c1$3c9196d0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark, i dont know who you offended(if ya did) or sarcasticised(?) but i for one and there are probably many more who admired or at least tolerated yer stuff and loved or loathed yer music-so please keep the faith and post till yer hearts content...and(dim sum) s > Personally, I missed ya. > > Glad to know you're lurking out there. I'm doing much more lurking myself > these days. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "msottilaro" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: Digital Performer 4 > > >> Hahahaha. I have to remember to not deal with email before coffee. >> That was meant to go to a single person so to the list I apologize. >> >> Actually, I've been lurking for a while and I'll reply when I feel it's >> appropriate, but not to the list. I find I can help more and not be >> driven crazy by certain people this way. Just know that if and when >> one of you is typing something idiotic, I'm thinking of a really funny >> sarcastic thing in my head but just not typing it. It's best this way. >> >> Carry on. >> >> Mark >> >> >> On Mar 30, 2004, at 9:27 AM, Claude Voit wrote: >> >>> Hey Mark is back !!!!!!!!!!! >>> >>> pushed send a little too fast mmm ??? >>> >>> Have a nice day >>> >>> Claude >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mark Sottilaro" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:25 PM >>> Subject: Digital Performer 4 >>> >>> >>>> Hey, what's your address again? I'll send out some discs to you >>>> today. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 30 23:49:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2V4lEt29067; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:47:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:47:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:46:15 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock 2004 - Does Anyone Care? From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040330191904.01c62490@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9OEX0.A.DGH.R1kaAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Not a lot of response to my last message. It's happening Saturday, May 1st. > dude-i am so there in spades-gotten wasted many atime in los osos and recall w/ aplomb the show the nite before loopstock #1 was it(?) acoupla years ago-lookin forward to loopstock er whatever yer callin it these days-you rock my man whats yer plan? stanaloopalisicious From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 00:04:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2V51PF32002; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:01:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:01:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Mark Sarcastillaro the Digital Performer Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:01:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQW2Sgeti/y57ATQaCdQpBr5E2YPgAAv5jg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20040331050119.ESEN2477.fed1mtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rather than repeat the thread verbatim, here's the jist . . . Mark inadvertently posted to the list when he replied to a pmail, thus reemerging after about a year of no posts--previous to that, he was voted Most Likely to Post, offering wisdom and heaping venom where appropriate. I wonder what he has been up to--when last heard from, he was gonna go prerecorded or somethin'-- Sometimes I think I post too much--so it was nice when I knew that Mark was posting more, took the heat off--and he usually had insight to share. The straw that broke this particular camel's back is in the archives for anyone to examine, but I concur with Mr. Stanner--it's nice to have ya back! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 01:13:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2V5AT400574; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:10:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:10:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040331051020.56923.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:10:20 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Mark Sarcastillaro the Digital Performer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040331050119.ESEN2477.fed1mtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd die before I said anything, BUT... I heard that Mark & Cara both left so they could devote their energies to a looping love child! :) :) :) John --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > Rather than repeat the thread verbatim, here's the > jist . . . > Mark inadvertently posted to the list when he > replied to a pmail, thus > reemerging after about a year of no posts--previous > to that, he was voted > Most Likely to Post, offering wisdom and heaping > venom where appropriate. > I wonder what he has been up to--when last heard > from, he was gonna go > prerecorded or somethin'-- > Sometimes I think I post too much--so it was nice > when I knew that Mark was > posting more, took the heat off--and he usually had > insight to share. > The straw that broke this particular camel's back is > in the archives for > anyone to examine, but I concur with Mr. > Stanner--it's nice to have ya back! > Gary > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 08:19:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2VDHfi01913; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:17:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:17:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040331131740.87276.qmail@web13009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:17:40 -0800 (PST) From: gsj3 Subject: Digitech To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-778322460-1080739060=:87127" Resent-Message-ID: <__bQCC.A.xd.1TsaAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-778322460-1080739060=:87127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, Has anybody looked into the Digitech GNX3 or GNX4 for live looping? They have built in multi-track recorders, and I think one might have a jamman emulation of some sort. I would be curious to hear about whether these machines are useful for live looping.... Gregory --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. --0-778322460-1080739060=:87127 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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Has anybody looked into the Digitech GNX3 or GNX4 for live looping?  They have built in multi-track recorders, and I think one might have a jamman emulation of some sort.  I would be curious to hear about whether these machines are useful for live looping....
 
Gregory
 

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Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. --0-778322460-1080739060=:87127-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 08:30:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2VDR6Z03016; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:27:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:27:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:25:28 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20040331.052541.19798.28332@webmail11.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2771404711 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They are usefull in an nonsynced way. I prefer the Boss DD20. Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 08:59:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2VDvsV06538; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:57:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:57:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CRIPE733@aol.com Message-ID: <112.308f57d6.2d9c284e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:57:34 EST Subject: Help w/DD20-newbie begs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1080741454" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1080741454 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have seen several posts w/re the DD20. They conatin info w/regard to how to loop using the SOS and and other delay times on the memory patches. All of the posts are written from and to folks who seem to be loop savvy. I am a looping dumbass (my stupidity plays over and over and over...) Would someone be so kind as to offer a bare bones "how to" for ways to do some simple looping w/the DD20? Your feedback is appreciated (ooh, i made a looping funny!) and I promise you'll never ever have to hear any music I play. -------------------------------1080741454 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have seen several posts w/re the DD20.  They conatin info w/rega= rd to how to loop using the SOS and and other delay times on the memory patc= hes.  All of the posts are written from and to folks who seem to be loo= p savvy.
 
I am a looping dumbass (my stupidity plays over and over and over...)&n= bsp; Would someone be so kind as to offer a bare bones "how to"  for wa= ys to do some simple looping w/the DD20?
 
Your feedback is appreciated (ooh, i made a looping funny!) and I promi= se you'll never ever have to hear any music I play.
 
-------------------------------1080741454-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 10:37:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2VFXZG21171; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:33:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:33:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1d0.1d482c0b.2d9c3ec2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:33:22 EST Subject: ALL YOU LOOP NEWBIES GET YOUR BUNS TO LOOPSTOCK! (Was: Loopstock 2004 - Does Anyone Care?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i2VFXZo21148 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey folks, In a message dated 3/30/04 8:24:44 PM, armatronix2004@sbcglobal.net writes: >Not a lot of response to my last message. >It's happening Saturday, May 1st. HEY! ALL OF YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW TO LOOPING, IF YOU WANNA SEE, HEAR AND LEARN HOW IT'S DONE, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO GET FACE TO FACE WITH SEVERAL EXPERTS (AND OTHER NEWBIES TOO)! IT'S ALSO A TERRIFIC CHANCE TO NETWORK AND BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHERS WHO SHARE SIMILAR INTERESTS AND EXPERIENCES FROM ACROSS THE WHOLE DAMN COUNTRY! DON'T MESS UP AND MISS OUT!!!!!!!!!! Okay, end of rant . . . Personally, I doubt that I will be able to get down there this time myself -- though I'd sorely love to. I highly recommend to anyone reading this that they get their booties down to San Luis Obispo. CA on May 1st to see this gig. Two years ago it was one hellova time . . . and it even got written up by Larry "the O" Openheimer on the back page of Electronic Musician magazine to boot. Be there or be square. My excuse? I'm having a long needed medical procedure this Friday to repair a hernia that I've lived with for over a year. That means no more schlepping around that 16-space rack of mine (or at least for a while). I'll be recovering and not able to lift much more than 10 pounds for 6 weeks or so -- not even a practice amp. Argh! Those that know me know that I am addicted to gear. Anyhoo . . . Believe me! I'd be there if I could. If I find that I can handle a long car ride down from Oregon by May 1st I may still attend. I just don't wanna count on it yet. But, I cannot recommend this concert opportunity more highly. Get down there and show Hans some support (if nothing else)! Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 11:13:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2VG85e26720; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:08:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:08:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:08:03 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: live looping amplification etc. From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <96C6553C-832D-11D8-8620-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <0CxAcC.A.XhG.lzuaAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I posted several weeks ago about problems with trying to run my Repeater through a Mesa Boogie combo - lack of volume control, noise problems etc. A few people replied with the general consensus being that looping and tube amps do not mix well. Anyway, I've managed to finally come up with a system which works well both for 'normal' playing and for looping purposes, so I can be at least reasonable versatile+portable (without spending ridiculous amounts of cash). I've ended up with a POD XT pro (rack) as a preamp, going into a Mesa 20/20 stereo power amp (the combo went back to the shop). This goes into a couple of EV speaker cabs I've had knocking around for years. I run the Repeater and a G-Major via the POD's effects loop. All controlled from the FCB1010 of course... This seems to produce minimal to non-existent noise and hiss, and gives me a good balance between digital versatility and the warmth of the tube power amp. I thought it might be interesting to hear what other people use sound-reinforcement wise, guitarists or not... Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 12:07:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2VH1Oo03067; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:01:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:01:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040331170117.7243.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:01:17 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <96C6553C-832D-11D8-8620-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paul, Good that you bring this up! This has been one of my frustrations trying to have a good configuration to balance between digital versatility and the warmth of a tube power amp.I Run a roland GP 100 and a Roland GR33 guitar synth into a small 1202 mackie mixer, sending its aux into both the Echoplex and Repeater, and then returning them back into the mixers input channels so i can bounce loops between both loopers.Then the overall sound goes to a pair of yamaha active P.A. speakers. The advantage of this is total flexibility; being able to mix all the signals into the loopers and then being able to bounce the loops into each other,so if i recorded something i like into the EDP, i can send it to the Repeater through the mackies aux and either save the loop or twist the loop further,with the repeaters pitch shift capability,speed it up,slow it down etc. But i am not still 100% satisfied with the guitar sound.I played with tube amps half of my life and i just dont get the punch i am used to just running the preamp into the mixer and to the active speakers;The question is if it would make a difference using a dedicated guitar power amp instead? Louie --- Paul Greenstein wrote: > I posted several weeks ago about problems with > trying to run my > Repeater through a Mesa Boogie combo - lack of > volume control, noise > problems etc. A few people replied with the general > consensus being > that looping and tube amps do not mix well. > > Anyway, I've managed to finally come up with a > system which works well > both for 'normal' playing and for looping purposes, > so I can be at > least reasonable versatile+portable (without > spending ridiculous > amounts of cash). I've ended up with a POD XT pro > (rack) as a preamp, > going into a Mesa 20/20 stereo power amp (the combo > went back to the > shop). This goes into a couple of EV speaker cabs > I've had knocking > around for years. I run the Repeater and a G-Major > via the POD's > effects loop. All controlled from the FCB1010 of > course... > > This seems to produce minimal to non-existent noise > and hiss, and gives > me a good balance between digital versatility and > the warmth of the > tube power amp. > > I thought it might be interesting to hear what other > people use > sound-reinforcement wise, guitarists or not... > > > Paul > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 13:06:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2VI2Bn13234; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:02:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:09:24 -0600 Subject: EDP on Ebay Message-ID: <20040331.130925.1556.1.rogeremerson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1 From: rogeremerson@juno.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3713990989&category=22 669 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 13:31:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2VIHRi15465; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:17:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:17:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040331181725.39578.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:17:25 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Digital Performer 4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm with Stan, I've also missed your posts to this list. Always enjoyed them, and learned a lot. Greg --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > mark, i dont know who you offended(if ya did) or sarcasticised(?) but i for > one and there are probably many more who admired or at least tolerated yer > stuff and loved or loathed yer music-so please keep the faith and post till > yer hearts content...and(dim sum) > s __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 13:42:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2VIbYZ18466; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:37:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:37:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <20040331181725.39578.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040331181725.39578.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6D72CB84-8342-11D8-A148-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: msottilaro Subject: Re: Digital Performer 4 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:37:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You guys are sweet. Don't worry. When you need me I'll come out of my loopcave. Robomark29 On Mar 31, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Greg House wrote: > I'm with Stan, I've also missed your posts to this list. Always > enjoyed them, and > learned a lot. > > Greg > > --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: >> mark, i dont know who you offended(if ya did) or sarcasticised(?) but >> i for >> one and there are probably many more who admired or at least >> tolerated yer >> stuff and loved or loathed yer music-so please keep the faith and >> post till >> yer hearts content...and(dim sum) >> s > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 14:50:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2VJjSM31307; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:45:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:45:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:45:25 +0100 Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20040331170117.7243.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will a tube guitar power amp make a difference? I would say yes. The main thing I've noticed from using the Mesa 20/20 as a power amp is that it does bring back the 'punch' and dynamics that you want from a guitar amp. The looping stuff would probably sound more high fidelity going through a PA, but you have to compromise somewhere, unless you can afford to have separate rigs for your 'straight' guitar and guitar synth/loopers. Regarding mixers for live setups, personally I'm trying to avoid using a mixer outside of the studio, mainly because of the hassle of carrying a desk around as well as everything else. I'd love to be able to use my powerbook as well, run the guitar through Logic and use plug-ins, but I don't want to spend hours setting up every time I want to play. Paul On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 06:01 pm, L. Angulo wrote: > Hi Paul, > Good that you bring this up! > This has been one of my frustrations trying to have a > good configuration to balance between digital > versatility and the warmth of a tube power amp.I Run a > roland GP 100 and a Roland GR33 guitar synth into a > small 1202 mackie mixer, sending its aux into both the > Echoplex and Repeater, and then returning them back > into the mixers input channels so i can bounce loops > between both loopers.Then the overall sound goes to a > pair of yamaha active P.A. speakers. > The advantage of this is total flexibility; being able > to mix all the signals into the loopers and then being > able to bounce the loops into each other,so if i > recorded something i like into the EDP, i can send it > to the Repeater through the mackies aux and either > save the loop or twist the loop further,with the > repeaters pitch shift capability,speed it up,slow it > down etc. > But i am not still 100% satisfied with the guitar > sound.I played with tube amps half of my life and i > just dont get the punch i am used to just running the > preamp into the mixer and to the active speakers;The > question is if it would make a difference using a > dedicated guitar power amp instead? > Louie > > > > > --- Paul Greenstein wrote: >> I posted several weeks ago about problems with >> trying to run my >> Repeater through a Mesa Boogie combo - lack of >> volume control, noise >> problems etc. A few people replied with the general >> consensus being >> that looping and tube amps do not mix well. >> >> Anyway, I've managed to finally come up with a >> system which works well >> both for 'normal' playing and for looping purposes, >> so I can be at >> least reasonable versatile+portable (without >> spending ridiculous >> amounts of cash). I've ended up with a POD XT pro >> (rack) as a preamp, >> going into a Mesa 20/20 stereo power amp (the combo >> went back to the >> shop). This goes into a couple of EV speaker cabs >> I've had knocking >> around for years. I run the Repeater and a G-Major >> via the POD's >> effects loop. All controlled from the FCB1010 of >> course... >> >> This seems to produce minimal to non-existent noise >> and hiss, and gives >> me a good balance between digital versatility and >> the warmth of the >> tube power amp. >> >> I thought it might be interesting to hear what other >> people use >> sound-reinforcement wise, guitarists or not... >> >> >> Paul >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 15:21:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2VKGb805586; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:16:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:16:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040331201631.1632.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:16:31 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ive recently gotten a Rane sm82 mixer which you can rack mount easily.The drawback is that it only has 1 stereo aux send but i suppose i could use the repeater and the EDP mono. My Roland GP100 is suppose to simulate tube amp and it does a fair job so thats the compromise.Weight is also something i am trying to avoid! cheers Louie --- Paul Greenstein wrote: > Will a tube guitar power amp make a difference? I > would say yes. The > main thing I've noticed from using the Mesa 20/20 as > a power amp is > that it does bring back the 'punch' and dynamics > that you want from a > guitar amp. The looping stuff would probably sound > more high fidelity > going through a PA, but you have to compromise > somewhere, unless you > can afford to have separate rigs for your 'straight' > guitar and guitar > synth/loopers. > > Regarding mixers for live setups, personally I'm > trying to avoid using > a mixer outside of the studio, mainly because of the > hassle of carrying > a desk around as well as everything else. I'd love > to be able to use my > powerbook as well, run the guitar through Logic and > use plug-ins, but I > don't want to spend hours setting up every time I > want to play. > > Paul > > On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 06:01 pm, L. > Angulo wrote: > > > Hi Paul, > > Good that you bring this up! > > This has been one of my frustrations trying to > have a > > good configuration to balance between digital > > versatility and the warmth of a tube power amp.I > Run a > > roland GP 100 and a Roland GR33 guitar synth into > a > > small 1202 mackie mixer, sending its aux into both > the > > Echoplex and Repeater, and then returning them > back > > into the mixers input channels so i can bounce > loops > > between both loopers.Then the overall sound goes > to a > > pair of yamaha active P.A. speakers. > > The advantage of this is total flexibility; being > able > > to mix all the signals into the loopers and then > being > > able to bounce the loops into each other,so if i > > recorded something i like into the EDP, i can send > it > > to the Repeater through the mackies aux and either > > save the loop or twist the loop further,with the > > repeaters pitch shift capability,speed it up,slow > it > > down etc. > > But i am not still 100% satisfied with the guitar > > sound.I played with tube amps half of my life and > i > > just dont get the punch i am used to just running > the > > preamp into the mixer and to the active > speakers;The > > question is if it would make a difference using a > > dedicated guitar power amp instead? > > Louie > > > > > > > > > > --- Paul Greenstein wrote: > >> I posted several weeks ago about problems with > >> trying to run my > >> Repeater through a Mesa Boogie combo - lack of > >> volume control, noise > >> problems etc. A few people replied with the > general > >> consensus being > >> that looping and tube amps do not mix well. > >> > >> Anyway, I've managed to finally come up with a > >> system which works well > >> both for 'normal' playing and for looping > purposes, > >> so I can be at > >> least reasonable versatile+portable (without > >> spending ridiculous > >> amounts of cash). I've ended up with a POD XT pro > >> (rack) as a preamp, > >> going into a Mesa 20/20 stereo power amp (the > combo > >> went back to the > >> shop). This goes into a couple of EV speaker cabs > >> I've had knocking > >> around for years. I run the Repeater and a > G-Major > >> via the POD's > >> effects loop. All controlled from the FCB1010 of > >> course... > >> > >> This seems to produce minimal to non-existent > noise > >> and hiss, and gives > >> me a good balance between digital versatility and > >> the warmth of the > >> tube power amp. > >> > >> I thought it might be interesting to hear what > other > >> people use > >> sound-reinforcement wise, guitarists or not... > >> > >> > >> Paul > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on > time. > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 15:32:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2VKU7I07650; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:30:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:30:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.1caed9c6.2d9c8446@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:29:58 EST Subject: congrats to ANDRE LaFOSSE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e2.1caed9c6.2d9c8446_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <_XVtTD.A.Z3B.PpyaAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e2.1caed9c6.2d9c8446_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit david torn makes mention of andre in an article in this most recent guitar player mag.....how excellent is that.....way to go andre!!!!!.....michael --part1_1e2.1caed9c6.2d9c8446_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable david t= orn makes mention of andre in an article in this most recent guitar player m= ag.....how excellent is that.....way to go andre!!!!!.....michael --part1_1e2.1caed9c6.2d9c8446_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 19:34:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i310WhQ29009; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:32:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:32:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <406B61C6.E9876E15@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:26:46 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: congrats to ANDRE LaFOSSE References: <1e2.1caed9c6.2d9c8446@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really...?!?! Good grief, that's certainly a nice surprise - bless his generous heart. Thanks for letting me know, Michael... Dude, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > david torn makes mention of andre in an article in this most recent > guitar player mag.....how excellent is that.....way to go > andre!!!!!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 20:09:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3110S904966; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:00:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:00:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c41784$7a6d93a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20040331201631.1632.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:58:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I feel compelled to pipe in here, since in the past I've posted various questions, ideas and frustrations on getting a good guitar/tube amp setup along with all of my looper and fx devices. I've tried a lot of things, including dummy loading my Rivera Knucklehead, tube and digital preamps, full range speakers, JC-120s, stompboxes, and just blowing it all off for a while and playing my new acoustic. :) I've finally ended up with a solution that sounds great, and is fairly portable. The Gibson GA-30RVS combo amp is probably the key to my current happiness. Class A, stereo 15 watts per side, 2x12, stereo effects loop w/ a serial and parallel settings, beautiful reverb and clean+drive tones. I'm not really recommending that all you tube heads run out and buy one... but then again, maybe I am. I put a 4 space SKB shallow rack on top of that, with a Rocktron 612 line mixer, a G-Major, and 2 EDPs inside of it, and run the G-Major and the EDPs in parallel (via the mixer). Level/gain setting is very easy and rarely needs adjustment - I can basically decide my overall volume based on the amp's volume knob. I can (just barely) carry the Gibson amp and the rack at the same time with my guitar gig bag (with an FCB1010 in it also) on my back, so I can unload this rig in a single trip from my car. OK, I usually make 2. I'm finally convinced that I can bring powerful looping and fx options together with a tube amp, and not lose *any* of the tube goodness. I think the key is to keep the loopers/fx in parallel to the basic guitar signal. That requires a tube amp with a good parallel fx loop. Of course, Andre's been doing his thing with just a guitar into a Mesa Boogie combo with a single EDP in the fx loop for years now. Sometimes when I treat a loop with a strange, pitch shifted and filtered G-Major patch... I feel so dirty. :) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Angulo" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. > ive recently gotten a Rane sm82 mixer which you can > rack mount easily.The drawback is that it only has 1 > stereo aux send but i suppose i could use the repeater > and the EDP mono. > My Roland GP100 is suppose to simulate tube amp and it > does a fair job so thats the compromise.Weight is also > something i am trying to avoid! > cheers > Louie > > > > --- Paul Greenstein wrote: > > Will a tube guitar power amp make a difference? I > > would say yes. The > > main thing I've noticed from using the Mesa 20/20 as > > a power amp is > > that it does bring back the 'punch' and dynamics > > that you want from a > > guitar amp. The looping stuff would probably sound > > more high fidelity > > going through a PA, but you have to compromise > > somewhere, unless you > > can afford to have separate rigs for your 'straight' > > guitar and guitar > > synth/loopers. > > > > Regarding mixers for live setups, personally I'm > > trying to avoid using > > a mixer outside of the studio, mainly because of the > > hassle of carrying > > a desk around as well as everything else. I'd love > > to be able to use my > > powerbook as well, run the guitar through Logic and > > use plug-ins, but I > > don't want to spend hours setting up every time I > > want to play. > > > > Paul > > > > On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 06:01 pm, L. > > Angulo wrote: > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > Good that you bring this up! > > > This has been one of my frustrations trying to > > have a > > > good configuration to balance between digital > > > versatility and the warmth of a tube power amp.I > > Run a > > > roland GP 100 and a Roland GR33 guitar synth into > > a > > > small 1202 mackie mixer, sending its aux into both > > the > > > Echoplex and Repeater, and then returning them > > back > > > into the mixers input channels so i can bounce > > loops > > > between both loopers.Then the overall sound goes > > to a > > > pair of yamaha active P.A. speakers. > > > The advantage of this is total flexibility; being > > able > > > to mix all the signals into the loopers and then > > being > > > able to bounce the loops into each other,so if i > > > recorded something i like into the EDP, i can send > > it > > > to the Repeater through the mackies aux and either > > > save the loop or twist the loop further,with the > > > repeaters pitch shift capability,speed it up,slow > > it > > > down etc. > > > But i am not still 100% satisfied with the guitar > > > sound.I played with tube amps half of my life and > > i > > > just dont get the punch i am used to just running > > the > > > preamp into the mixer and to the active > > speakers;The > > > question is if it would make a difference using a > > > dedicated guitar power amp instead? > > > Louie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Paul Greenstein wrote: > > >> I posted several weeks ago about problems with > > >> trying to run my > > >> Repeater through a Mesa Boogie combo - lack of > > >> volume control, noise > > >> problems etc. A few people replied with the > > general > > >> consensus being > > >> that looping and tube amps do not mix well. > > >> > > >> Anyway, I've managed to finally come up with a > > >> system which works well > > >> both for 'normal' playing and for looping > > purposes, > > >> so I can be at > > >> least reasonable versatile+portable (without > > >> spending ridiculous > > >> amounts of cash). I've ended up with a POD XT pro > > >> (rack) as a preamp, > > >> going into a Mesa 20/20 stereo power amp (the > > combo > > >> went back to the > > >> shop). This goes into a couple of EV speaker cabs > > >> I've had knocking > > >> around for years. I run the Repeater and a > > G-Major > > >> via the POD's > > >> effects loop. All controlled from the FCB1010 of > > >> course... > > >> > > >> This seems to produce minimal to non-existent > > noise > > >> and hiss, and gives > > >> me a good balance between digital versatility and > > >> the warmth of the > > >> tube power amp. > > >> > > >> I thought it might be interesting to hear what > > other > > >> people use > > >> sound-reinforcement wise, guitarists or not... > > >> > > >> > > >> Paul > > >> > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on > > time. > > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 20:13:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i311ARt07203; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:10:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:10:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c41786$733312c0$5edda344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <20040331170117.7243.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: live looping amplification -- and beer Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:12:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.221.94] at Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:10:25 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Personally, I find a JC-120 and a Fender Band Master into a 15-inch Bag End speaker is a nice (and loud) combination that seems to handle all my wicked-wacky synth-a-like looped tonalities. Tube warmth and depth with skreeming high end. And moving it all around keeps me fit and trim, which allows me to have a beer or two during a gig. The great thing about looping is that occasionally, should the need arise, during a set I can leave the stage to buy a drink, return and pick up the . looping thread where I left it. David P.S. I feel compelled to plug ex-Boston-based-musician-and-fellow-international-traveler-dude-with-effects -and-creativity, Jack Drag. Any musician who can entitle his songs "Could Have Been Big" and "Beer Helps Us Cope" is a winner in my book. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Angulo" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. > Hi Paul, > Good that you bring this up! > This has been one of my frustrations trying to have a > good configuration to balance between digital > versatility and the warmth of a tube power amp.I Run a > roland GP 100 and a Roland GR33 guitar synth into a > small 1202 mackie mixer, sending its aux into both the > Echoplex and Repeater, and then returning them back > into the mixers input channels so i can bounce loops > between both loopers.Then the overall sound goes to a > pair of yamaha active P.A. speakers. > The advantage of this is total flexibility; being able > to mix all the signals into the loopers and then being > able to bounce the loops into each other,so if i > recorded something i like into the EDP, i can send it > to the Repeater through the mackies aux and either > save the loop or twist the loop further,with the > repeaters pitch shift capability,speed it up,slow it > down etc. > But i am not still 100% satisfied with the guitar > sound.I played with tube amps half of my life and i > just dont get the punch i am used to just running the > preamp into the mixer and to the active speakers;The > question is if it would make a difference using a > dedicated guitar power amp instead? > Louie > > > > > --- Paul Greenstein wrote: > > I posted several weeks ago about problems with > > trying to run my > > Repeater through a Mesa Boogie combo - lack of > > volume control, noise > > problems etc. A few people replied with the general > > consensus being > > that looping and tube amps do not mix well. > > > > Anyway, I've managed to finally come up with a > > system which works well > > both for 'normal' playing and for looping purposes, > > so I can be at > > least reasonable versatile+portable (without > > spending ridiculous > > amounts of cash). I've ended up with a POD XT pro > > (rack) as a preamp, > > going into a Mesa 20/20 stereo power amp (the combo > > went back to the > > shop). This goes into a couple of EV speaker cabs > > I've had knocking > > around for years. I run the Repeater and a G-Major > > via the POD's > > effects loop. All controlled from the FCB1010 of > > course... > > > > This seems to produce minimal to non-existent noise > > and hiss, and gives > > me a good balance between digital versatility and > > the warmth of the > > tube power amp. > > > > I thought it might be interesting to hear what other > > people use > > sound-reinforcement wise, guitarists or not... > > > > > > Paul > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 20:25:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i311MEf09583; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:22:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:22:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c41787$c4519040$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <96C6553C-832D-11D8-8620-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:22:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am still looking for my solution. Right now, I am using to one degree or another a heavily modded traynor from the late '60's. It is a beatiful sounding rock amp. I am not really a rock player anymore. Direct was a terrible idea. the lag from the moniters drove me nuts. i'm one of the few players who request no moniters at all in a live context. I can't deal with multiple sound sources of stage each with a varying degree of delays(from my amp to the moniters at most clubs is about 50ms-100ms, death for a looper) on them.. So, at this point I am looking for a Preamp(thinking the new korg one as the Fender and Vox emulations are really nice, and I don;t really need additional effects), a power amp, and a 2x12 cab to finish it off. and running that in stereo with a 1x18 peavey keyboard amp..... God my back will hurt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Greenstein" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: live looping amplification etc. > I posted several weeks ago about problems with trying to run my > Repeater through a Mesa Boogie combo - lack of volume control, noise > problems etc. A few people replied with the general consensus being > that looping and tube amps do not mix well. > > Anyway, I've managed to finally come up with a system which works well > both for 'normal' playing and for looping purposes, so I can be at > least reasonable versatile+portable (without spending ridiculous > amounts of cash). I've ended up with a POD XT pro (rack) as a preamp, > going into a Mesa 20/20 stereo power amp (the combo went back to the > shop). This goes into a couple of EV speaker cabs I've had knocking > around for years. I run the Repeater and a G-Major via the POD's > effects loop. All controlled from the FCB1010 of course... > > This seems to produce minimal to non-existent noise and hiss, and gives > me a good balance between digital versatility and the warmth of the > tube power amp. > > I thought it might be interesting to hear what other people use > sound-reinforcement wise, guitarists or not... > > > Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 20:56:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i311rSk16623; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:53:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:53:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <406B761D.7040502@biink.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:53:33 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. References: <96C6553C-832D-11D8-8620-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> <002f01c41787$c4519040$6402a8c0@breakyii> In-Reply-To: <002f01c41787$c4519040$6402a8c0@breakyii> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8NEIkC.A.jDE.YY3aAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think multiple amps and a A/B/C box is the answer. Except it's too much to haul around. Only for important gigs! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 21:04:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3122PB20353; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:02:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:02:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <002f01c41787$c4519040$6402a8c0@breakyii> References: <96C6553C-832D-11D8-8620-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> <002f01c41787$c4519040$6402a8c0@breakyii> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <98E1634C-8380-11D8-A1FC-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:02:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a pair of Mackie SR1530s: http://www.mackie.com/products/sr1530/ they handle anything i throw at them, from playing LOUD Berlin School stuff with a drummer and a guitarist at a punk rock show to sound reinforcement at a Robert Rich show to monitoring atmospheric drum n bass (definitely the most fidelity-demanding music i listen to) in the studio. i've played Moog bass with a Sonic Youth-style rock band through them as well. my favourite feature other than incredible frequency response is the interface: ON/OFF. it's so nice not to deal with ANYTHING else. either it works or it does not. a dream PA for a gigging musician. yeah yeah i realise that they are each the size of a Leslie model 122, but it's _okay_. they sound great. direct Hammond organ sounds _great_ through them, as well. they're a little too directional for that application, however. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 21:16:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i312DgV23332; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:13:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:13:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <75.25dace4f.2d9cd4cb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:13:31 EST Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_75.25dace4f.2d9cd4cb_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <858rxB.A.YsF.Wr3aAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_75.25dace4f.2d9cd4cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mackie 1202 mixer into mackie srm 450's.....or if going lite, a fender "champ" --part1_75.25dace4f.2d9cd4cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable mackie=20= 1202 mixer into mackie srm 450's.....or if going lite, a fender "champ" --part1_75.25dace4f.2d9cd4cb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 21:38:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i312VPD27442; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:31:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:31:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:30:24 -0800 Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--599791040 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <75.25dace4f.2d9cd4cb@aol.com> Message-Id: <87876B8E-8384-11D8-8C0C-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--599791040 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed good god gearheads! ;-) ART tube channel --> Repeaters --> Alesis 3-rack-space mixer --> stereo out to dual SWR California Blondes / headphones for me Don't like the Alesis but I haven't gotten around to replacing it yet with a single-space mixer. On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 06:13 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > mackie 1202 mixer into mackie srm 450's.....or if going lite, a fender > "champ" > --Apple-Mail-2--599791040 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII good god gearheads! ;-) ART tube channel --> Repeaters --> Alesis 3-rack-space mixer --> stereo out to dual SWR California Blondes / headphones for me Don't like the Alesis but I haven't gotten around to replacing it yet with a single-space mixer. On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 06:13 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: Arialmackie 1202 mixer into mackie srm 450's.....or if going lite, a fender "champ" --Apple-Mail-2--599791040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 22:41:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i313e2S11424; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:40:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:40:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <406B8F16.5000403@biink.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:40:06 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. References: <87876B8E-8384-11D8-8C0C-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <87876B8E-8384-11D8-8C0C-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9BHzeC.A.ZyC.S84aAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Zoe Keating wrote: > good god gearheads! ;-) > > ART tube channel --> Repeaters --> Alesis 3-rack-space mixer --> > stereo out to dual SWR California Blondes / headphones for me > > Don't like the Alesis but I haven't gotten around to replacing it yet > with a single-space mixer. > > On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 06:13 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > mackie 1202 mixer into mackie srm 450's.....or if going lite, a > fender "champ" > Oh... you play cello. A bit different requirements for us gtr players! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 23:06:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i313wm314489; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:58:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:58:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:00:59 -0500 Subject: DT>>>GP From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone see the cool Torn article in the MAY "guitar player" Nice. Check it out!! The mighty, unsung Gary Moore is in there as well as cover boy Clapton. HEY --I'll be ON AIR with the great DON PRESTON this friday. See ya there - thru the magic of the web! Fri Apr 2 www.wprb.com -fm103.3 - Don Preston Akashic Ensemble 10pm ET Webcast -andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 23:08:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3146CQ17262; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:06:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:06:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:08:17 -0500 Subject: Help w/DD20-newbie begs From: Andre Cholmondeley To: CC: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey cripe733 1. Wire up yer ol' DD20 2. Power up yer ol' DD20 3. Set it to the loop setting 4. Start playing, hit the left pedal, on the downbeat. 5. The loop begins 'looping' automatically after 23 secs, or when you hit the left pedal again. You are looping with the DD 20 now. From: CRIPE733@aol.com I am a looping dumbass (my stupidity plays over and over and over...) Would someone be so kind as to offer a bare bones "how to" for ways to do some simple looping w/the DD20? . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 23:09:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3142o116571; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:02:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:02:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200404010341.i313f4d11605@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200404010341.i313f4d11605@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <93F222EE-8391-11D8-BFE8-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:03:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used to use various guitar preamps into a multieffector, into a Passac 8x2 into a Mesa 50/50 into 200W EV loaded Mesa 1x12 cabs. The speakers and the power amp always seemed able to handle whatever multilooper and pitchshifted weirdness I'd put into them. I found more traditional guitar amp type speakers (Celestion or lower wattage Jensen) didn't sound as great with loopage and live guitar coming out the same speaker. I swapped out the 50/50 for a 20/20 at one gig, and my bandmates immediately asked that I swap it back for the next show. It's designed to break up much earlier than the 50/50, so things can get mushy if you're trying to send it loops or even delay/reverb type effects. I also tried a solid state power amp, it didn't sound anywhere nearly as groovy as the 50/50 either. TravisH *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 31 23:55:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i314qhx28076; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:52:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:52:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040331092938.01c11488@nightviewer.com> X-Sender: mbarrs@nightviewer.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:52:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mike Barrs Subject: Re: live looping amplification etc. In-Reply-To: <96C6553C-832D-11D8-8620-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> References: <96C6553C-832D-11D8-8620-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:08 AM 3/31/2004, you wrote: >I thought it might be interesting to hear what other people use >sound-reinforcement wise, guitarists or not... > > >Paul Hi Paul, My current rig is pretty simple, but it does give me all the "tube amp simulation" and other sounds I need. My electric guitar with a RMC hex pickup runs into a Roland VG-88, where I'm getting all my sounds and FX. The stereo out from the VG-88 goes into my Repeater. The Repeater stereo out runs into a Roland stereo volume pedal... used as a master output volume control, since the Repeater doesn't have one. The pedal output runs to a pair of Mackie SRM450 powered PA cabs. The VG-88 works best for me with clean, high-headroom amplification, and the SRM450's are great for that. When I need to amplify acoustic guitar, I just run the guitar's pickup output into the 1/4" (non-hex) input of the VG-88, and I use the VG-88 basically as a preamp/EQ/reverb module. The main hassle with this setup is floor space. The VG-88 plus a Behringer FCB1010 to control the Repeater takes up a lot of floor real estate. I wish there was a rackmount VG-88. The way I use it, it doesn't actually have to be on the floor if I have the FCB1010 to control things. I've seen one custom rackmount conversion of the VG-88, but it was very expensive. I think the Roland VG-88 is the best body/pickup/amp simulator out there. It's not very popular though, due to the high price and the need for a hex pickup. Also, few people realize how much you have to dive into the programming to make it sound good with YOUR specific guitar. The factory patches are no indication of what it can really do. ------------------------------------ Mike Barrs