From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 00:33:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i115U9016610; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 00:30:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 00:30:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 00:30:07 -0500 Subject: Improvising vs. composing From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3158440207_4534851" Resent-Message-ID: <1aX7AC.A.bDE.h7IHAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3158440207_4534851 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi gang, Would love to hear people=B9s experiences with this dilemma: I=B9ve been doing a project, Orange, for a couple years. Tonight, I packed my gear out of a rehearsal space and turned in my keys after 3 months of struggling with trying to take this improvisational project and make it mor= e structured=8B i.e., take stuff we=B9d made up and recorded at various shows and sessions and re-learn it and make a bunch of songs out of it. I just found = I wasn=B9t enjoying the process of trying to do this. So it seems I=B9m no longer very interested in writing and playing songs=8B wha= t I really get inspired doing is going out on a limb and making the music up as I go. I can=B9t seem to get the kind of spiritual high I get when I=B9m improvising if I=B9m playing stuff that=B9s pre-structured. Not that I don=B9t like structure=8B I just like creating it on the fly. Problem is, 1. It=B9s kind of intense to go to every show having no idea of what I=B9m going to play, hoping the muse is on the guest list 2. It=B9s hard to bring other musicians in without having at least some structure. Thoughts? Similar experiences? Solutions? Dan --=20 ghost 7/ Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com --B_3158440207_4534851 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Improvising vs. composing Hi gang,


Would love to hear people’s experiences with this dilemma:

I’ve been doing a project, Orange, for a couple years. Tonight, I pac= ked my gear out of a rehearsal space and turned in my keys after 3 months of= struggling with trying to take this improvisational project and make it mor= e structured— i.e., take stuff we’d made up and recorded at vari= ous shows and sessions and re-learn it and make a bunch of songs out of it. = I just found I wasn’t enjoying the process of trying to do this.

So it seems I’m no longer very interested in writing and playing song= s— what I really get inspired doing is going out on a limb and making = the music up as I go. I can’t seem to get the kind of spiritual high I= get when I’m improvising if I’m playing stuff that’s pre-= structured. Not that I don’t like structure— I just like creatin= g it on the fly.

Problem is, 1. It’s kind of intense to go to every show having no ide= a of what I’m going to play, hoping the muse is on the guest list

2. It’s hard to bring other musicians in without having at least some= structure.


Thoughts? Similar experiences? Solutions?


Dan


--
ghost 7/ Orange
http://www.envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@rcn.com
 --B_3158440207_4534851-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 02:07:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1173VY04164; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 02:03:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 02:03:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 01:57:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I struggle with this all of the time, lately mainly in the video realm. Among the problems I find are 1. The clearer the idea I think I have about what I want to do, the harder it is to get started, and the less I feel I accomplish per unit time. 2. No matter how much I tell myself I'm going to focus on the original idea, my explorations always point me to something else -- usually some detail or image or side idea catches my eye and distracts me from the intended structure. 3. By the time the piece is halfway finished I'm so tired of the idea I can't tell if my changes are making it better or worse. In addition, and more unique to my genre, its hard to get the musicians to follow what I do, which reduces the point of having a preconceived structure unless I'm working with a structured group long enough to learn their material and compose sections for each of their pieces. At 12:30 AM -0500 2/1/04, Dan Soltzberg wrote: >Hi gang, > > >Would love to hear people's experiences with this dilemma: > >I've been doing a project, Orange, for a couple years. Tonight, I >packed my gear out of a rehearsal space and turned in my keys after >3 months of struggling with trying to take this improvisational >project and make it more structured- i.e., take stuff we'd made up >and recorded at various shows and sessions and re-learn it and make >a bunch of songs out of it. I just found I wasn't enjoying the >process of trying to do this. > >So it seems I'm no longer very interested in writing and playing >songs- what I really get inspired doing is going out on a limb and >making the music up as I go. I can't seem to get the kind of >spiritual high I get when I'm improvising if I'm playing stuff >that's pre-structured. Not that I don't like structure- I just like >creating it on the fly. > >Problem is, 1. It's kind of intense to go to every show having no >idea of what I'm going to play, hoping the muse is on the guest list > >2. It's hard to bring other musicians in without having at least >some structure. > > >Thoughts? Similar experiences? Solutions? > > >Dan > > >-- >ghost 7/ Orange >http://www.envelopeproductions.com >d.ans@rcn.com -- "Any universe simple enough to be understood is too simple to produce a mind able to understand it" -- John D. Barrow This conjecture strikes me as a logical extension of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 03:04:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1181em13847; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 03:01:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 03:01:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: What are the usual prices Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 09:05:29 +0100 Message-ID: <002001c3e89a$2bff11d0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3E8A2.8DE1FE50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3E8A2.8DE1FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...for a Gibson EDP, <1 year old, with LoopIV software and proprietary foot controller in Europe? Thanks, Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3E8A2.8DE1FE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3E8A2.8DE1FE50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 04:42:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i119ciO05708; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 04:38:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 04:38:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c3e8a3$1e7e68e0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <00ba01c3e807$e0a76df0$b6705643@elfmaster> Subject: Re: The 100-Megabit Guitar in WIRED Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 09:09:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "RemyC" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 14:38 PM Subject: The 100-Megabit Guitar in WIRED > Wired magazine > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.01/guitar.html > > The mercurial CEO of Gibson Guitar Corporation wants to shove Ethernet up > your ax and rock the music world. > > Issue 12.01 - January 2004 > > The 100-Megabit Guitar > Gibson's maverick CEO wants to shove Ethernet up your ax and rock the music > world. > By Greg Milner > Dubbed the "Les Paul," the > instrument would become the primary source of rock's power-chord crunch, a > legacy that stretches from Jimmy Page and Neil Young through Aerosmith's Joe > Perry and Guns N' Roses' Slash. The guitar's noise-canceling humbucker > pickups provided a clarity that helped Jerry Garcia sculpt his solos when he > wasn't playing custom guitars. I believe Jerry was mostly playing custom guitars, especially the Warlock. But you more dead-headed amongst us could say with more authority than I. I'm just fairly sure it wasn't the Les Paul he played most the time... > Since Guns N' Roses imploded > in the mid-'90s, no Les Paul player has commanded the cross-genre visibility > of Slash in his heyday. Since when did Slash have "cross-genre visibility", or for that matter much of a catalog? Is this PR or what? > Metallica's Kirk Hammett and Weezer's Rivers Cuomo, > both Les Paul players, don't have Slash's following or showmanship. I guess the writer was one of those unfortunate Drunks n' Posers fans. [shaking head] Or he's working for Gibson and is desperate to fill an article. > It won't be easy. For starters, the Magic guitar's Ethernet output is > incompatible with traditional guitar gear. No amplifier or effects pedal on > the market today works with the instrument. For now, musicians will need to > plug the guitar into a "breakout box" that converts the digital signal back > to analog; a standard guitar cable plugs into the box's output. Second, > guitars that work with the digital world via MIDI, the universal language of > musical instruments, do exist. Guitarists like Radiohead's Jonny Greenwood > already make all kinds of digitally enhanced noise onstage. The CEO of one > rival company told me, "If you can figure out what Henry is trying to do, > let me know." And Peter Swiadon, a product manager for the Roland > Corporation, says, "No disrespect to Henry, but Magic looks like a solution > in search of a problem." Or just another whiz-bang invention for the guitar. I mean, Les Paul's innovations are legendary and to be respected -- but he made a lot of little experiments that weren't exactly successful too. Hell, EDISON experimented with trying to communicate with the dead, for Pete's sake... > The magic about Magic is portability. Greenwood may have a digital world at > his fingertips, but his guitar still delivers an analog signal, requiring > mediating devices to make it digital. The goal of the Magic guitar is to be > fully plug-and-play, so a musician can simply jack it into a PC - no USB > cables or external devices necessary." Can you say, "$2000 sound card"? Sure you can. Here's the wind up... ...and the pitch! > The Magic guitar, Juszkiewicz says, takes the next > step - it doesn't just preserve sound, it improves it. > Gibson appears to have solved a problem that has dogged digital instrument > design for years. It's not enough to engineer a digital-audio converter and > a delivery system that can reproduce sound with sufficient nuance. The > technology also has to make sure the bits become audible with little delay. None would be nice. Oh wait. We've already GOT that. But in the non-original, er, analog world, it's the delays that are the main problem with guit synths, every time I hear someone complaining about 'em. > Magic can deliver sound a few thousand > meters in microseconds, and because all devices connected by the technology > run on the same clock, the data remains synchronous. Hm, 100Mb/sec... that's up to 1200 feet or so with nothing but a wire, otherwise one needs signal boost, if not also routing... and a 'few thousand meters' is certainly much longer than that. If conventional non-fibre repeaters are to be used, what would be the delays involved then? I smell a theoretical topology somewhere... > Magic, an acronym for media-accelerated global information carrier, can > direct the flow of up to 64 channels of information, all on one Ethernet > network. Once again, a 'few thousand meters' on an Ethernet network ain't just NICs in computers, a server, cable and connectors, and software to make it all work. And what is the max capacity of a standard Cat-5 cable anyway? Cumulative degeneration could occur as well, if the network is overloaded. I've a feeling the PR guys writing this don't know what that even means. There's going to have to be fibre and ultra-fast repeaters/routers for something this big to even approach realtime. > In a concert hall, this means a bulky analog snake of cables could > be replaced by a single Cat-5. It also means real-time collaboration. > Stanford staged a concert last fall that linked several musicians at > different locations who improvised with each other over a system developed > by NetworkSound, the first company to build a business plan around Magic. Anyone have a link to this, before I start searching? > Juszkiewicz had > lawsuits filed against companies he thought were infringing on Gibson's > trademark. Among his targets: Heritage Guitar, which was founded by > ex-employees of a Gibson factory in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Gibson didn't win > any of the suits that made it to trial (after settling the Heritage suit, > Juszkiewicz sued his own lawyers), but the litigation proved to be part of a > hard-line strategy that put the company back on the map. A strategy that proved irresistable for a drove of doomed software companies like the late Ashton-Tate: Buy companies producing possibly-competing product, nab their technology, and drive them into the ground via court and lawyer costs; no matter what the cases are actually about, what they do is assimilate technology not otherwise developed, eliminate the competition, and eventually overload the management capacity of the now-bloated company, which ultimately can't even produce the original cash-cow that made it big. End run, the company sells off its subsidiaries, or sells out entirely, with big, fat cash rewards for the CEO and whatever members of the board that didn't piss him/her off. > Certainly, Gibson owes its turnaround in part to good timing. The first half > of the '80s was not a fertile period for the type of rock associated with > the Les Paul. The '70s hard-rock heroes, like Joe Perry and Jimmy Page, were > either in rehab or on hiatus. Synth-driven music owned the charts. But soon > after Juszkiewicz took over, Guns N' Roses emerged, first as the second > coming of Aerosmith and then as the biggest band on the planet. Slash was a > devoted Les Paul player. Once again, the world sounded like the Les Paul. No, just Guns N' Roses. (How many hits, what, uh, three? Then oblivion within years.) > Juszkiewicz has been less successful in his mission to expand Gibson beyond > guitars. Trace Elliott amps, Opcode Systems (a music software company), and > Steinberger Sound are a few of his acquisitions. None have made Gibson any > money; some have gone out of business and others have borne the brunt of > Juszkiewicz's litigious streak. See above. > A Yamaha exec jokes, "Sometimes the best we > can hope for our competitors is that they get bought by Gibson." Other > rivals dismiss Juszkiewicz as a threat, referring to him as a "psycho" and a > "wack-job." In person, he is laid-back and laconic, exactly the disposition > you'd expect from someone who sells guitars for a living. So when he told > me, "Oh yeah, I'm very frightening," I assumed he was kidding. My mistake. > "No, seriously, I'm like a prophet. I always get put down, and then later, > people realize I'm right." Is it just an MBA that makes one think like this? Well, crack or amphetamine abuse too, but hey! I don't generally diss developments in ANYTHING that have a real need to fill. But this isn't exactly like the VHS format, though, is it? I'd like to strip away the PR crapola and see what it really is, before completely dumping on it. But man, this article belongs more in the Yahoo PR Newswire than "Wired". Unless they've slipped that much! Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 05:49:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11AlSq16854; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 05:47:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 05:47:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 04:01:25 -0700 Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing From: Are-Jay Hoffmann To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3158452885_142975_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <0YcUo.A.OHE.AlNHAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3158452885_142975_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable on 1/31/04 10:30 PM, Dan Soltzberg at d.ans@rcn.com wrote: Hi gang, Would love to hear people=B9s experiences with this dilemma: I=B9ve been doing a project, Orange, for a couple years. Tonight, I packed my gear out of a rehearsal space and turned in my keys after 3 months of struggling with trying to take this improvisational project and make it mor= e structured=8B i.e., take stuff we=B9d made up and recorded at various shows and sessions and re-learn it and make a bunch of songs out of it. I just found = I wasn=B9t enjoying the process of trying to do this. So it seems I=B9m no longer very interested in writing and playing songs=8B wha= t I really get inspired doing is going out on a limb and making the music up as I go. I can=B9t seem to get the kind of spiritual high I get when I=B9m improvising if I=B9m playing stuff that=B9s pre-structured. Not that I don=B9t like structure=8B I just like creating it on the fly. Problem is, 1. It=B9s kind of intense to go to every show having no idea of what I=B9m going to play, hoping the muse is on the guest list 2. It=B9s hard to bring other musicians in without having at least some structure. Thoughts? Similar experiences? Solutions? Dan personally, i dig both-- but if i had to choose ONE-- id be improv. what i love about playing is reaching so many people, without having to talk to each one individually. same with the players im with. i just love the forehead connection and communication thru eyebrow motions. obviously it comes from a deeper part of us--words always fall short when describing emotion. id say realize every musician is differant and some might want to go your way-- totally mental. some might at least need basic form charts. its always worth the wait, though, right? take care. a looping bassist/violinist are--jay hoffmann --MS_Mac_OE_3158452885_142975_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Improvising vs. composing on 1/31/04 10:30 PM, Dan Soltzberg at d.ans@rcn.com wrote:

Hi gang,


Would love to hear people=B9s experiences with this dilemma:

I=B9ve been doing a project, Orange, for a couple years. Tonight, I packed my= gear out of a rehearsal space and turned in my keys after 3 months of strug= gling with trying to take this improvisational project and make it more stru= ctured=8B i.e., take stuff we=B9d made up and recorded at various shows and sess= ions and re-learn it and make a bunch of songs out of it. I just found I was= n=B9t enjoying the process of trying to do this.

So it seems I=B9m no longer very interested in writing and playing songs=8B wha= t I really get inspired doing is going out on a limb and making the music up= as I go. I can=B9t seem to get the kind of spiritual high I get when I=B9m impr= ovising if I=B9m playing stuff that=B9s pre-structured. Not that I don=B9t like st= ructure=8B I just like creating it on the fly.

Problem is, 1. It=B9s kind of intense to go to every show having no idea of w= hat I=B9m going to play, hoping the muse is on the guest list

2. It=B9s hard to bring other musicians in without having at least some struc= ture.


Thoughts? Similar experiences? Solutions?


Dan


personally, i dig both-- but if i had to choose ONE-- id be improv. what i = love about playing is reaching so many people, without having to talk to eac= h one individually. same with the players im with. i just love the forehead = connection and communication thru eyebrow motions. obviously it comes from a= deeper part of us--words always fall short when describing emotion. id say = realize every musician is differant and some might want to go your way-- tot= ally mental. some might at least need basic form charts. its always worth th= e wait, though, right? take care.

            &n= bsp; a looping bassist/violinist

            ar= e--jay hoffmann --MS_Mac_OE_3158452885_142975_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 06:25:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11BO2H25973; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 06:24:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 06:24:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 12:23:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i11BO1k25943 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-01 06.30, "Dan Soltzberg" wrote: > Hi gang, > > > Would love to hear people¹s experiences with this dilemma: > > I¹ve been doing a project, Orange, for a couple years. Tonight, I packed my > gear out of a rehearsal space and turned in my keys after 3 months of > struggling with trying to take this improvisational project and make it more > structured‹ i.e., take stuff we¹d made up and recorded at various shows and > sessions and re-learn it and make a bunch of songs out of it. I just found I > wasn¹t enjoying the process of trying to do this. > > So it seems I¹m no longer very interested in writing and playing songs‹ what > I really get inspired doing is going out on a limb and making the music up > as I go. I can¹t seem to get the kind of spiritual high I get when I¹m > improvising if I¹m playing stuff that¹s pre-structured. Not that I don¹t > like structure‹ I just like creating it on the fly. > > Problem is, 1. It¹s kind of intense to go to every show having no idea of > what I¹m going to play, hoping the muse is on the guest list > > 2. It¹s hard to bring other musicians in without having at least some > structure. > > > Thoughts? Similar experiences? Solutions? > > > Dan Hi Dan, My understanding of this is that composition is an act of will power, while improvisation is just an expression of life. Best regards Per Boysen -- Public Music Beta Testing http://www.looproom.com/p2p/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 06:44:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11Bf2l30157; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 06:41:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 06:41:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c3e7ef$184745f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:40:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3E7AC.09ED1770" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3E7AC.09ED1770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been doing nothing but pure improvisation for the last four years = of my life in=20 live looping situations and am ready to get down to some rigidly = composed music again. I found inspiration in the famous Shoenberg quote: "All Composition is just very slow Improvisation." and have added it's corollary: "All Imrpovisation is just very fast Composition". What I've found in my life's work is that I tend to oscillate between = the two modes. Early on it became obvious that group improvisations could be a very fertile source for = composition. Obviously this is mitigated by the relative strengths = (and desires) of the musicians one plays with. Other times, purely = composed pieces of music (which frequently have some problems because = other musicians don't always have a way of 'being part' of the process = when you hand out written parts) yield really great results. I have to say that some of the great moments of my life were improvising = with musicians that I just met but I also am in the mood lately to have rigidly controlled and = formalistically composed pieces of music. Consquently, I've been kind of following the loose formula of doing a = live improv CD followed by a formal composed Abstract Electronica CD. = I just broke mildly from this mold by releasing a CD that has both elements in it, though which leads me to believe that it is probably = best to eschew formalized approaches to this dialectic. This is where modern software and hardware technology comes in. On my = last tour, I saved every loop that I loved onto my Repeater (and if only = the EDP had the same kind of saving function that was quick, like the = Repeater). =20 I recently revisited these loops and realize that I have the basis for = several formal compositions using these live loops. I also love to record everything to minidisc because I can import a live = concert into my computer and then=20 cast about to find ideas that are so strong that they can then become = the basis of a formal composition. A lot of loops that I love but haven't found a good compositional home = for , I send to several artists that I love to collaborate with in the = hopes that they may stimulate some collaborative recording. It's the wonderful thing about using loops as a way of making music. = They are fodder for many different kinds of creativity including things = that we don't actually control ourselves. I say.............no all or none.................just use your musical = output in every way you can..........improvisationally or = compositionally. It can all be good!! ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3E7AC.09ED1770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been doing nothing but pure = improvisation for=20 the last four years of my life in
live looping situations and am ready to = get down to=20 some rigidly composed music again.
 
I found inspiration in the famous = Shoenberg=20 quote:
 
"All Composition is just very slow=20 Improvisation."
 
and have added it's = corollary:
 
"All Imrpovisation is just very fast=20 Composition".
 
 
What I've found in my life's work is = that I tend to=20 oscillate between the two modes.  Early on it became
obvious that group improvisations could = be a very=20 fertile source for composition.   Obviously this is mitigated = by the=20 relative strengths (and desires) of the musicians one plays with.  = Other=20 times, purely composed pieces of music (which frequently have some = problems=20 because other musicians don't always have a way of 'being part' of the = process=20 when you hand out written parts) yield really great = results.
 
I have to say that some of the great = moments of my=20 life were improvising with musicians that I just met
but I also am in the mood lately to = have rigidly=20 controlled and formalistically composed pieces of music.
 
Consquently, I've been kind of = following the loose=20 formula of doing a live improv CD followed by a formal composed Abstract = Electronica CD.    I just broke mildly from this mold by=20 releasing a CD that has both
elements in it, though which leads me = to believe=20 that it is probably best to eschew formalized approaches to this dialectic.
 
This is where modern software and = hardware=20 technology comes in.  On my last tour, I saved every loop that I = loved onto=20 my Repeater (and if only the EDP had the same kind of saving function = that was=20 quick, like the Repeater).  
 
I recently revisited these loops and = realize that I=20 have the basis for several formal compositions using these live=20 loops.
 
I also love to record everything to = minidisc=20 because I can import a live concert into my computer and then =
cast about to find ideas that are so = strong that=20 they can then become the basis of a formal composition.
A lot of loops that I love but haven't = found a good=20 compositional home for , I send to several artists that  I love to=20 collaborate with in the hopes that they may stimulate some collaborative = recording.
 
It's the wonderful thing about using = loops as a way=20 of making music.  They are fodder for many different kinds of = creativity=20 including things that we don't actually control ourselves.
 
I say.............no all or=20 none.................just use your musical output in every way you=20 can..........improvisationally or compositionally.
 
It can all be = good!!
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3E7AC.09ED1770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 07:03:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11C0Jv32259; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:00:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:00:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:00:02 +0100 Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i11C0Ik32235 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-01 06.30, "Dan Soltzberg" wrote: Sorry for reposting on this topic, but I forgot some details. > Problem is, >1. It¹s kind of intense to go to every show having no idea of > what I¹m going to play, hoping the muse is on the guest list Right! This is not so different from a gig with pre structured, or composed, music. Uninspired makes dull, always. It's just that a lousy gig with composed music might still sound a bit like "music" to untrained ears. And as an improvising performer it's harder to cheat when you have a bad night. But the more you play the more you also understand that the listeners do not experiencing your music the way you expect them to. In fact you may think that you are having a lousy gig but out there listeners in the audience can find it extremely uplifting. You just can't read others exception while you are playing. When you start out an improvisation you have to understand that you let go of all control. It is indeed a method to put oneself in situations where you loose control and have to rely entirely on instinct. A trick to achieve innovation. > 2. It¹s hard to bring other musicians in without having at least some > structure. There are also musicians that take interest in totally improvised music and then there shouldn't be a need for providing structure. I think a more usual problem is to manage to stay away from forming structures when improvising with other musicians. Everyone really have to listen fully all the time and be prepared to throw his own riffs right down the garbage drain if needed. Best regards Per Boysen -- Public Music Beta Testing http://www.looproom.com/p2p/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 07:08:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11C7KJ00548; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:07:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:07:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-01 13.00, "Per Boysen" wrote: Sorry for the bad spellings in my recent post. Too interesting topic, couldn't keep typing slow-and-safe... ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 07:32:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11CVlm04041; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:31:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:31:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a601c3e8a4$45cfe940$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 09:17:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <09cXd.A.A_.zGPHAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Improvising vs. composingDan Soltzberg asked: >I've been doing a project, Orange, for a couple years. Tonight, I packed my gear out of a rehearsal space and turned in my keys after 3 months of struggling with trying to take this improvisational project and make it more structured- i.e., take stuff we'd made up and recorded at various shows and sessions and re-learn it and make a bunch of songs out of it. I just found I wasn't enjoying the process of trying to do this.< Perhaps it's not the song-writing but the compositing process that you're not enjoying. Try another project. Maybe the material will be easier for you to work with. I wouldn't just paste the entire process as something you don't like if it's one job that makes one think this. Um, forgive, no coffee yet. >So it seems I'm no longer very interested in writing and playing songs- what I really get inspired doing is going out on a limb and making the music up as I go. I can't seem to get the kind of spiritual high I get when I'm improvising if I'm playing stuff that's pre-structured. Not that I don't like structure- I just like creating it on the fly. < I concur with Mr. Tobenfield on his other points and won't repeat 'em. I didn't quit being a support person because one of the jobs I did (Hughes! Ugh!) was a Hell-on-Earth. I just went somewhere else to do my thing. So perhaps it's the project you're weary with, not the process itself. Try something else, or perhaps put the instrument down for a week, and then pick it up and see what happens. Things change upon new perspective. Don't give up for a single excuse. Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 07:38:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11Cb6j05330; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:37:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:37:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c3e8c0$1c181110$05ae0044@tomdyy5ufajt7n> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 05:37:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This reminds me of one of the pieces on "Sketches of Spain" where Miles appears to be stuck, but when he comes out of it, what beautiful music!!! There's also, the accompanying background of the orchestra romping, which comes into the foreground while Miles finds his way back to creativity, which has an ambient sound to it, which is a ground in itself. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:00 AM Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing > On 04-02-01 06.30, "Dan Soltzberg" wrote: > > Sorry for reposting on this topic, but I forgot some details. > > > > Problem is, > >1. It¹s kind of intense to go to every show having no idea of > > what I¹m going to play, hoping the muse is on the guest list > > > Right! This is not so different from a gig with pre structured, or composed, > music. Uninspired makes dull, always. It's just that a lousy gig with > composed music might still sound a bit like "music" to untrained ears. > > And as an improvising performer it's harder to cheat when you have a bad > night. But the more you play the more you also understand that the listeners > do not experiencing your music the way you expect them to. In fact you may > think that you are having a lousy gig but out there listeners in the > audience can find it extremely uplifting. You just can't read others > exception while you are playing. When you start out an improvisation you > have to understand that you let go of all control. It is indeed a method to > put oneself in situations where you loose control and have to rely entirely > on instinct. A trick to achieve innovation. > > > > 2. It¹s hard to bring other musicians in without having at least some > > structure. > > There are also musicians that take interest in totally improvised music and > then there shouldn't be a need for providing structure. I think a more usual > problem is to manage to stay away from forming structures when improvising > with other musicians. Everyone really have to listen fully all the time and > be prepared to throw his own riffs right down the garbage drain if needed. > > Best regards > > Per Boysen > -- > Public Music Beta Testing http://www.looproom.com/p2p/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 08:02:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11D0lw09979; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 08:00:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 08:00:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c3e8c3$63518720$05ae0044@tomdyy5ufajt7n> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <003801c3e7ef$184745f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 06:00:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E888.B6D14470" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E888.B6D14470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable JS Bach did some of this with "The Royal Theme" as it's now called. He = improvised for the King on the theme in the palace, then later after he = went home, he wrote up what he remembered and sent it back to the King = as "A Musical Offering". Naji Hakim - Composer - Organist - Improviser BACH'ORAMA Orgelfantasie =FCber Themen von Johann Sebastian Bach This organ fantasy develops several themes from Johann Sebastian Bach's = works. The succession of motives inspire different metrical, = contrapuntal or expressive textures generating a rhapsodic form. The = royal theme from the Musical Offering followed by a fugal development of = Kyrie II from B minor mass appear in the middle of the structrure as = climaxes to this homage. http://www.najihakim.com/works/notes/bachorama.html ----- Original Message -----=20 From: loop.pool=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 4:40 AM Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing I've been doing nothing but pure improvisation for the last four years = of my life in=20 live looping situations and am ready to get down to some rigidly = composed music again. I found inspiration in the famous Shoenberg quote: "All Composition is just very slow Improvisation." and have added it's corollary: "All Imrpovisation is just very fast Composition". What I've found in my life's work is that I tend to oscillate between = the two modes. Early on it became obvious that group improvisations could be a very fertile source for = composition. Obviously this is mitigated by the relative strengths = (and desires) of the musicians one plays with. Other times, purely = composed pieces of music (which frequently have some problems because = other musicians don't always have a way of 'being part' of the process = when you hand out written parts) yield really great results. I have to say that some of the great moments of my life were = improvising with musicians that I just met but I also am in the mood lately to have rigidly controlled and = formalistically composed pieces of music. Consquently, I've been kind of following the loose formula of doing a = live improv CD followed by a formal composed Abstract Electronica CD. = I just broke mildly from this mold by releasing a CD that has both elements in it, though which leads me to believe that it is probably = best to eschew formalized approaches to this dialectic. This is where modern software and hardware technology comes in. On my = last tour, I saved every loop that I loved onto my Repeater (and if only = the EDP had the same kind of saving function that was quick, like the = Repeater). =20 I recently revisited these loops and realize that I have the basis for = several formal compositions using these live loops. I also love to record everything to minidisc because I can import a = live concert into my computer and then=20 cast about to find ideas that are so strong that they can then become = the basis of a formal composition. A lot of loops that I love but haven't found a good compositional home = for , I send to several artists that I love to collaborate with in the = hopes that they may stimulate some collaborative recording. It's the wonderful thing about using loops as a way of making music. = They are fodder for many different kinds of creativity including things = that we don't actually control ourselves. I say.............no all or none.................just use your musical = output in every way you can..........improvisationally or = compositionally. It can all be good!! ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E888.B6D14470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
JS Bach did some of this with "The = Royal Theme" as=20 it's now called.  He improvised for the King on the theme in the = palace,=20 then later after he went home, he wrote up what he remembered and sent = it back=20 to the King as "A Musical Offering".
 
 
 
Naji Hakim -=20 Composer - Organist -=20 Improviser
BACH'ORAMA
Orgelfantasie =FCber = Themen von Johann=20 Sebastian Bach
 
 
This organ fantasy develops several = themes from=20 Johann Sebastian Bach's works. The succession of motives inspire = different=20 metrical, contrapuntal or expressive textures generating a = rhapsodic=20 form. The royal theme from = the=20 Musical Offering followed by a fugal development of Kyrie = II=20 from B minor mass appear in the middle of the structrure as = climaxes to=20 this homage.
 
http://www.n= ajihakim.com/works/notes/bachorama.html
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 loop.pool=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, January 31, = 2004 4:40=20 AM
Subject: Re: Improvising vs.=20 composing

I've been doing nothing but pure = improvisation=20 for the last four years of my life in
live looping situations and am ready = to get down=20 to some rigidly composed music again.
 
I found inspiration in the famous = Shoenberg=20 quote:
 
"All Composition is just very slow=20 Improvisation."
 
and have added it's = corollary:
 
"All Imrpovisation is just very fast=20 Composition".
 
 
What I've found in my life's work is = that I tend=20 to oscillate between the two modes.  Early on it = became
obvious that group improvisations = could be a very=20 fertile source for composition.   Obviously this is = mitigated by the=20 relative strengths (and desires) of the musicians one plays = with.  Other=20 times, purely composed pieces of music (which frequently have some = problems=20 because other musicians don't always have a way of 'being part' of the = process=20 when you hand out written parts) yield really great = results.
 
I have to say that some of the great = moments of=20 my life were improvising with musicians that I just met
but I also am in the mood lately to = have rigidly=20 controlled and formalistically composed pieces of music.
 
Consquently, I've been kind of = following the=20 loose formula of doing a live improv CD followed by a formal composed = Abstract=20 Electronica CD.    I just broke mildly from this mold = by=20 releasing a CD that has both
elements in it, though which leads me = to believe=20 that it is probably best to eschew formalized approaches to = this dialectic.
 
This is where modern software and = hardware=20 technology comes in.  On my last tour, I saved every loop that I = loved=20 onto my Repeater (and if only the EDP had the same kind of saving = function=20 that was quick, like the Repeater).  
 
I recently revisited these loops and = realize that=20 I have the basis for several formal compositions using these live=20 loops.
 
I also love to record everything to = minidisc=20 because I can import a live concert into my computer and then =
cast about to find ideas that are so = strong that=20 they can then become the basis of a formal composition.
A lot of loops that I love but = haven't found a=20 good compositional home for , I send to several artists that  I = love to=20 collaborate with in the hopes that they may stimulate some = collaborative=20 recording.
 
It's the wonderful thing about using = loops as a=20 way of making music.  They are fodder for many different kinds of = creativity including things that we don't actually control=20 ourselves.
 
I say.............no all or=20 none.................just use your musical output in every way you=20 can..........improvisationally or compositionally.
 
It can all be=20 good!!
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E888.B6D14470-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 08:21:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11DHhi14025; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 08:17:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 08:17:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c3e8c5$c5dd93a0$05ae0044@tomdyy5ufajt7n> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <003801c3e7ef$184745f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <004401c3e8c3$63518720$05ae0044@tomdyy5ufajt7n> Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 06:17:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C3E88B.19562500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C3E88B.19562500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry. I pushed send before I was finished with the e-mail. as Per = wrote: Too interesting topic, couldn't keep typing slow-and-safe... ;-) Anyway, I found Naji Hakim's web site, which demonstrates that a good = loop has a life of its own! So, who gets the credit for this, "old = Bach" as the King called him, or King Frederick himself? As with many = remixes, they sometimes sell better than the originals! Tom ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Rex=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 6:00 AM Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing JS Bach did some of this with "The Royal Theme" as it's now called. = He improvised for the King on the theme in the palace, then later after = he went home, he wrote up what he remembered and sent it back to the = King as "A Musical Offering". Naji Hakim - Composer - Organist - Improviser BACH'ORAMA Orgelfantasie =FCber Themen von Johann Sebastian Bach This organ fantasy develops several themes from Johann Sebastian = Bach's works. The succession of motives inspire different metrical, = contrapuntal or expressive textures generating a rhapsodic form. The = royal theme from the Musical Offering followed by a fugal development of = Kyrie II from B minor mass appear in the middle of the structrure as = climaxes to this homage. http://www.najihakim.com/works/notes/bachorama.html ----- Original Message -----=20 From: loop.pool=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 4:40 AM Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing I've been doing nothing but pure improvisation for the last four = years of my life in=20 live looping situations and am ready to get down to some rigidly = composed music again. I found inspiration in the famous Shoenberg quote: "All Composition is just very slow Improvisation." and have added it's corollary: "All Imrpovisation is just very fast Composition". What I've found in my life's work is that I tend to oscillate = between the two modes. Early on it became obvious that group improvisations could be a very fertile source for = composition. Obviously this is mitigated by the relative strengths = (and desires) of the musicians one plays with. Other times, purely = composed pieces of music (which frequently have some problems because = other musicians don't always have a way of 'being part' of the process = when you hand out written parts) yield really great results. I have to say that some of the great moments of my life were = improvising with musicians that I just met but I also am in the mood lately to have rigidly controlled and = formalistically composed pieces of music. Consquently, I've been kind of following the loose formula of doing = a live improv CD followed by a formal composed Abstract Electronica CD. = I just broke mildly from this mold by releasing a CD that has both elements in it, though which leads me to believe that it is probably = best to eschew formalized approaches to this dialectic. This is where modern software and hardware technology comes in. On = my last tour, I saved every loop that I loved onto my Repeater (and if = only the EDP had the same kind of saving function that was quick, like = the Repeater). =20 I recently revisited these loops and realize that I have the basis = for several formal compositions using these live loops. I also love to record everything to minidisc because I can import a = live concert into my computer and then=20 cast about to find ideas that are so strong that they can then = become the basis of a formal composition. A lot of loops that I love but haven't found a good compositional = home for , I send to several artists that I love to collaborate with in = the hopes that they may stimulate some collaborative recording. It's the wonderful thing about using loops as a way of making music. = They are fodder for many different kinds of creativity including things = that we don't actually control ourselves. I say.............no all or none.................just use your = musical output in every way you can..........improvisationally or = compositionally. It can all be good!! ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C3E88B.19562500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry. I pushed send before I was = finished with the=20 e-mail.  as Per wrote: Too interesting topic, couldn't keep = typing=20 slow-and-safe... ;-)
Anyway, I found Naji=20 Hakim's web site, which demonstrates that a good loop has a life of its=20 own!  So, who gets the credit for this, "old Bach" as the King = called him,=20 or King Frederick himself?  As with many remixes, they sometimes = sell=20 better than the originals!
 
Tom
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From:=20 Tom Rex =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 = 6:00=20 AM
Subject: Re: Improvising vs.=20 composing

JS Bach did some of this with "The = Royal Theme"=20 as it's now called.  He improvised for the King on the theme in = the=20 palace, then later after he went home, he wrote up what he remembered = and sent=20 it back to the King as "A Musical Offering".
 
 
 
Naji Hakim=20 - Composer - Organist -=20 Improviser
BACH'ORAMA
Orgelfantasie =FCber = Themen von Johann=20 Sebastian Bach
 
 
This organ fantasy develops several = themes from=20 Johann Sebastian Bach's works. The succession of motives inspire=20 different metrical, contrapuntal or expressive textures = generating a=20 rhapsodic form. The = royal theme from=20 the Musical Offering followed by a fugal development of = Kyrie=20 II from B minor mass appear in the middle of the = structrure as=20 climaxes to this homage.
 
http://www.n= ajihakim.com/works/notes/bachorama.html
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 loop.pool=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, January 31, = 2004 4:40=20 AM
Subject: Re: Improvising vs.=20 composing

I've been doing nothing but pure = improvisation=20 for the last four years of my life in
live looping situations and am = ready to get=20 down to some rigidly composed music again.
 
I found inspiration in the famous = Shoenberg=20 quote:
 
"All Composition is just very slow=20 Improvisation."
 
and have added it's = corollary:
 
"All Imrpovisation is just very = fast=20 Composition".
 
 
What I've found in my life's work = is that I=20 tend to oscillate between the two modes.  Early on it=20 became
obvious that group improvisations = could be a=20 very fertile source for composition.   Obviously this is = mitigated=20 by the relative strengths (and desires) of the musicians one plays=20 with.  Other times, purely composed pieces of music (which = frequently=20 have some problems because other musicians don't always have a way = of 'being=20 part' of the process when you hand out written parts) yield really = great=20 results.
 
I have to say that some of the = great moments of=20 my life were improvising with musicians that I just met
but I also am in the mood lately to = have=20 rigidly controlled and formalistically composed pieces of=20 music.
 
Consquently, I've been kind of = following the=20 loose formula of doing a live improv CD followed by a formal = composed=20 Abstract Electronica CD.    I just broke mildly from = this=20 mold by releasing a CD that has both
elements in it, though which leads = me to=20 believe that it is probably best to eschew formalized approaches to=20 this dialectic.
 
This is where modern software and = hardware=20 technology comes in.  On my last tour, I saved every loop that = I loved=20 onto my Repeater (and if only the EDP had the same kind of saving = function=20 that was quick, like the Repeater).  
 
I recently revisited these loops = and realize=20 that I have the basis for several formal compositions using these = live=20 loops.
 
I also love to record everything to = minidisc=20 because I can import a live concert into my computer and then =
cast about to find ideas that are = so strong=20 that they can then become the basis of a formal = composition.
A lot of loops that I love but = haven't found a=20 good compositional home for , I send to several artists that  I = love to=20 collaborate with in the hopes that they may stimulate some = collaborative=20 recording.
 
It's the wonderful thing about = using loops as a=20 way of making music.  They are fodder for many different kinds = of=20 creativity including things that we don't actually control=20 ourselves.
 
I say.............no all or=20 none.................just use your musical output in every way you=20 can..........improvisationally or compositionally.
 
It can all be=20 good!!
------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C3E88B.19562500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 10:18:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11FGFD07188; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 10:16:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 10:16:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.140.112] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danioore@hotmail.com From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPED BEATBOXING review Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 11:16:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2004 15:16:08.0635 (UTC) FILETIME=[519C50B0:01C3E8D6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes. i'm also interested in getting the info on this: >video software that could be synced to rhythmic loops via midi thanks. d >From: "L. Angulo" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPED BEATBOXING review >Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:17:42 -0800 (PST) > >Wow man this sounds really exciting!!! i would really >appreciate it if you could send me links about this >microphone with integrated fxs and its funny, i asked >the L.D. community about a year ago about a video >software that could be synced to rhythmic loops via >midi and nobody responded to this and now you are >giving me the link i was looking for! >I am very interested in integrating images live and >would like links also to unique artists who make good >abstract videos. >Ok off to munich bro and tomorrow california yes i >can´t wait to eat tacos with lots of salsa and >guacamole! >cheers >Louie > > >--- "loop.pool" wrote: > > I was part of one of the coolest gigs I've ever done > > last night in San > > Francisco's > > Protrero Hill section. I just wanted to tell you > > all about it and hip you > > to some incredible new looping > > artists that I just became aware of. > > > > I performed with three amazing BeatBoxers who were > > all using live looping > > gear > > (from a very short digital delay loop to a > > sophisticated midi pedal driven > > Abletons' live laptop > > performance) in San Francisco at the IllBilly > > Rhodehouse on Portrero Hill. > > > > I have to single out to a couple of amazing > > performers: > > > > KID LUCKY who has been an incredible performer and > > archiver/producer/historian of the beatboxing > > movement in New York City > > did a fascinating performance utilizing two brand > > new pieces of > > techology: an amazing microphone with built in > > effects that he used with > > his mouth put up against this throat to achieve > > sounds that went from guitar > > feedback-esque sounds to industrial sounds to > > incredible beat box mastery to > > spoken word.........................all the while > > controlling video software > > in real time > > with a new program that allows audio to control > > video from Edirol !!!!! I > > wish I knew the names of the individual instruments, > > but maybe if he is > > lurking, he can fill us in on the stuff. He used > > a lot of long reverb on > > his whole performance and it made it sound like > > listening to a chronicling > > of urban culture > > through an old Victrola............both futuristic > > and archaic at the same > > time.............it was a really haunting effect and > > I was really impressed > > by his artistry and vision. Please check his shit > > out. > > > > KID BEYOND was not only the producer of the event, > > but had an extremely > > sophisticated and entertaining show he put together. > > He is not only an > > encylopedia of great beat box effects but he has a > > beautiful soul/r&b voice > > and a nice understanding of vocal harmony. He > > accurately mimicked > > everything from turntable scratching to techno synth > > bass sounds to > > harmonicas to digital echo effects. > > Wow!!!!! For me, the tour de force of his whole > > show was his opening > > number where he accurately simulated a Portishead > > song.....................with ALL the musical > > elements. It was such an > > accurate reproduction that spontaneous cheers > > erupted several times in the > > middle of the performance as people realized that he > > had pulled off another > > effect, perfectly.............all without > > effects..........only voice. > > > > I was also very impressed with his command and use > > of the laptop and > > ableton's live. He told me afterwards that his > > intention was to never touch > > the laptop and he was successful with his use of > > midi pedal implementation of the loops.This > > immeasurably added to the > > stength of the performance. I've been a bit > > critical of LIVE because you > > have to use a metronome to start a piece, but KID > > BEYOND cleverly used a > > vocal 'hit hat' simulation so the effect was very > > consistent. He's the > > first person to make me seriously reconsider getting > > into that program for > > live work and that says a lot. He completely > > transcended the 'gearhead' > > live looping show and was entertaining, inspiring > > and funny during his set. > > > > I must also say that he is really working hard to > > keep beatboxing very > > active in San Francisco and he also has a really big > > heart: involved with > > community service projects and benefits. > > > > The incomparable Zoe Keating also provided some > > beatiful counterpoint to the > > all vocal > > evening----it was my CD release party for SF with my > > all vocal CD) on cello. > > What a beautiful musician she is. I just love her > > stuff and can't wait to > > buy a solo cello looping CD from here. > > > > I also really enjoyed a very young and extremely > > talented beatboxing artist > > named EACH. > > This young man has an incredible future ahead of > > him. He also, for my > > money, was the dopest pure > > beatboxer on the bill. I pride myself on being > > able to simulate a lot of > > drum effects in my limited > > use of beatboxing..................this punk made me > > completely embarrased > > to go on stage............what a repertoire and also > > very, very > > sophisticated rhythmically (which you don't always > > hear in beatboxing). > > > > I had a fun set and was really warmly recieved by > > the audience who were > > generous and enthusiastic the whole evening. My > > ears were ringing from the > > high pitched whoops and hollers at the end of every > > set. > > > > To top it all off............the Illbilly Rhodehouse > > who hosted us in a > > beautiful former 19th century Portero Hill saloon is > > a very intimate venue. > > They are going to have other performances and I > > can't wait to go back and > > play again for these really enthusiastic and warm > > supporters of new art in > > the city. > > > > I knew it was a succesful event because every artist > > was talking with every > > other artist about collaborating on future projects > > at the end of the > > gig.............a very good sign, indeed. > > > > Well, tonight I got to see my brother, Bill Walker > > do some very tasty live > > looping, backing his sweetheart Nancy LeVan as she > > was given the prestigious > > Gail Rich Award for Service and Accomplishements in > > the Arts tonight and > > tomorrow night, I"m off to see the wonderfully > > creative and inventive Steve > > Lawson and Michael Manring at the Espresso Gardens > > tonight. > > > > What a fantastic live looping week!!!!! I feel > > happy to be alive. > > > > yours, Rick Walker > > > > > > >===== >www.luis-angulo.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 11:13:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11GAo118803; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:10:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:10:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 11:11:29 -0500 Subject: Slash Matters From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Since Guns N' Roses imploded > in the mid-'90s, no Les Paul player has commanded the cross-genre visibility > of Slash in his heyday. >>>Since when did Slash have "cross-genre visibility", or for that matter much >>>of a catalog? Is this PR or what? Well yes - the whole article is - but Like 'em or not - G N R had a HUGE effect on rock, hard rock, glam rock, metal and pop music in the late 80s. Stations that played all of these genres played the hell outta 'sweet child' and 'welcome to the jungle'. And they DID mark a return to straight-ahead rock n roll being on the charts and actually selling "units"... > Metallica's Kirk Hammett and Weezer's Rivers Cuomo, > both Les Paul players, don't have Slash's following or showmanship. >>>I guess the writer was one of those unfortunate Drunks n' Posers fans. >>>[shaking head] Or he's working for Gibson and is desperate to fill an >>>article. Well - he's wrong on the numbers.. Metallica certainly has the 'following' of GnR and then some.... But Hammett has always been known for his black ESP. Still uses it - tho he does use LPs in the studio and occasionally live. Weezer certainly had a couple hits but Mr Cuomo isnt per se known as a 'guitar hero'. As silly as that phrase is - in the world of rock it's what has defined guitars sales. - Hendrix, Page, Van Halen - you think immediately of a certain brand and model of guitar. Slash was just at the right place right time with the right sound. Bingo - millions of kids and aging NY Dolls/Johnny Thunders fans raced out to pick up a phat sunburst!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 11:16:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11GE3c19554; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:14:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:14:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.140.112] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danioore@hotmail.com From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Improvising vs. composing Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 12:13:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2004 16:13:57.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[653BD6B0:01C3E8DE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, i struggle with this question a lot. try to evaluate what did/didnt work about the compositions or the process of realizing the compositions. was it your method of communicating the composition to the musicians: -orally (ex: describing the piece before playing, yelling ideas or cues during performance), -notated score (of some convention... or not), -flash-cards (cues / descriptive..), -conducting (tempos/grooves/or set-up some system/set of conventions where your movements determine certain sonic limits: frequency,timbre.. then dance! or just dance without any system.), -with your instrument (ex: giving sonic/musical cues, or play a given idea to one group/musician, then when they have the idea they 'loop' it, 'overdub' other ideas by selecting and playing to other musicians...) is there is a schism between your expectations of the musicians and their ability/interest to meet these? how much trust do you have in your musicians --at what point are you able to let-go of your creative vision for the sake of the performers' personal sense of contribution/responsibility to the music -ultimately, for a successful performance ?? 'composing' comes in all forms... what makes you want to 'compose'? figure-out what the bare minimum limit(s) that the composition must satisfy to fulfil your desire to compose. then you have a composition. if what you desire is simply a return of good improv material, it might be as simple as holding up flash card when everyone is doing something you like, so that they make a mental note to remember exactly what they're doing, then you can keep recalling this particular event with the appropriate flash card. or... telling your musician(s) to create an A-B-A structure where 'B' is distinguished by some marked change of tempo or whatever. then practise this composition: by repeatedly creating A-B-A forms. maybe a simpler composition.. thanks for the opportunity to think about this. (i appreciate any comments...) dani oore http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~oore/dani/index.html >From: Dan Soltzberg >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers Delight >Subject: Improvising vs. composing >Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 00:30:07 -0500 > >Hi gang, > > >Would love to hear people¹s experiences with this dilemma: > >I¹ve been doing a project, Orange, for a couple years. Tonight, I packed my >gear out of a rehearsal space and turned in my keys after 3 months of >struggling with trying to take this improvisational project and make it >more >structured‹ i.e., take stuff we¹d made up and recorded at various shows and >sessions and re-learn it and make a bunch of songs out of it. I just found >I >wasn¹t enjoying the process of trying to do this. > >So it seems I¹m no longer very interested in writing and playing songs‹ >what >I really get inspired doing is going out on a limb and making the music up >as I go. I can¹t seem to get the kind of spiritual high I get when I¹m >improvising if I¹m playing stuff that¹s pre-structured. Not that I don¹t >like structure‹ I just like creating it on the fly. > >Problem is, 1. It¹s kind of intense to go to every show having no idea of >what I¹m going to play, hoping the muse is on the guest list > >2. It¹s hard to bring other musicians in without having at least some >structure. > > >Thoughts? Similar experiences? Solutions? > > >Dan > > >-- >ghost 7/ Orange >http://www.envelopeproductions.com >d.ans@rcn.com > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 12:07:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11H4kw31310; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:04:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:04:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:04:38 EST Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i11H4jk31285 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I too struggle with the choice of doing either wholly improvised or composed music with some of the same problems you all mention. The CD I did a couple of years back was entirely improvised and was the result of one of those rare and sublime "spiritual highs" that was mentioned. Problems arose for me as I started to go out and gig in support of this disc when I tried to replicate (as well as I could) the pieces on the CD. It was not a fun experience generally -- at least not for me. Who knows what the audiences were thinking. I am not a professional performer by any means. But I did my best to struggle through and do these gigs anyway. However, I do have to say my favorite part of them has always been when something went wrong or distracted me for a moment and my "muse" suddenly reappeard. This would invariably happen when my "plans" had somehow been sufficiently knocked off track that true improvising began to happen again. I now try to allow for more of this to happen since it seems (to me) that that is my true calling as a musician anyway. I'm amuch better improvisor (even if I am rather spotty at that) than I am a composer. I just try to live with and accept that. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 12:15:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11HDt201452; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:13:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:13:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 08:56:06 -0800 Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c3e8c0$1c181110$05ae0044@tomdyy5ufajt7n> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/1/04 4:37 AM, Tom Rex at tomrex1@cox.net wrote: > This reminds me of one of the pieces on "Sketches of Spain" where Miles > appears to be stuck, but when he comes out of it, what beautiful music!!! > There's also, the accompanying background of the orchestra romping, which > comes into the foreground while Miles finds his way back to creativity, > which has an ambient sound to it, which is a ground in itself. Keith Jarrett's solo piano improvs also contain some interesting examples of getting stuck and then finding the muse again. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 12:16:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11HDul01479; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:13:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:13:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 09:10:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've found that doing mostly recorded work rather than live performance has definitely pushed me toward improvisation though in a form that starts to tend toward composition. Generally, when recording I will take an idea and work it multiple times before recording it. Each pass is a bit different and each is improvised, but with each pass I also learn more about where I can go, where I want to go, and how to get there. Once it's committed to a recorded form, however, I rarely worry about remembering how specifically to play it. The effect of this for my occasional live work is that I may have some basic ideas milling around in my head and some elements to fall back on, but essentially everything is improvised and hence is a first take pass at the idea of the moment. Sometimes, this works out quite well. Sometimes, the muse is less cooperative. My personal reviews of my live work over the last two years: Loopstock 2002: I personally remember being nervous as hell not having played in public since 1987. Jon Wagner's recording of the last five minutes of my performance, however, (see http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg and click on the Loopstock 2002 link) still strikes me as turning out really well. Santa Cruz Y2K2: I just got the recordings a couple months ago from Peter Coates. The three pieces had a fair amount of similarity across them, but I think they all turned out really well. Loopstock 2003: I know I was in a dark, noisy, ambient mode at the time, but I haven't heard the recordings to know how it turned out. Santa Cruz Y2K3: It had not been a good week for me and the muse was being less co-operative. My first piece went way too long as I tried to make it work. The other three pieces were better but not up to the standards of Y2K2. (If you invite me back this year, Rick, I promise to try to do better.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 13:19:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11IF1a14815; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:15:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:15:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00ba01c3e807$e0a76df0$b6705643@elfmaster> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:14:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: The 100-Megabit Guitar in WIRED Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stupidest idea in the world. throw away your pedals? a 1/4" cable is the simplest idea in the world. so little to go wrong, you can even send stereo. if you want to consolidate your snake into CAT-5, do it *after* the amp -- not at the guitar. I agree 100% with the various negative comments about Gibson as a whole as well... I've had bad dealings with them personally (I had a lot of Opcode products, you see...) /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 13:30:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11IRht17919; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:27:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:27:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:27:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Slash Matters From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3158486863_4946279" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3158486863_4946279 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Not to mention his impact on the top hat market. D on 2/1/04 11:11 AM, Andre Cholmondeley at projectobject@earthlink.net wrote: > > >> > Since Guns N' Roses imploded >> > in the mid-'90s, no Les Paul player has commanded the cross-genre >> visibility >> > of Slash in his heyday. > >>>> >>>Since when did Slash have "cross-genre visibility", or for that matter >>>> much >>>> >>>of a catalog? Is this PR or what? > > Well yes - the whole article is - but Like 'em or not - G N R had a HUGE > effect on rock, hard rock, glam rock, metal and pop music in the late 80s. > Stations that played all of these genres played the hell outta 'sweet child' > and 'welcome to the jungle'. > > And they DID mark a return to straight-ahead rock n roll being on the charts > and actually selling "units"... > >> > Metallica's Kirk Hammett and Weezer's Rivers Cuomo, >> > both Les Paul players, don't have Slash's following or showmanship. > >>>> >>>I guess the writer was one of those unfortunate Drunks n' Posers fans. >>>> >>>[shaking head] Or he's working for Gibson and is desperate to fill an >>>> >>>article. > > > Well - he's wrong on the numbers.. Metallica certainly has the 'following' > of GnR and then some.... But Hammett has always been known for his black > ESP. Still uses it - tho he does use LPs in the studio and occasionally > live. Weezer certainly had a couple hits but Mr Cuomo isnt per se known as a > 'guitar hero'. > > As silly as that phrase is - in the world of rock it's what has defined > guitars sales. - Hendrix, Page, Van Halen - you think immediately of a > certain brand and model of guitar. Slash was just at the right place right > time with the right sound. Bingo - millions of kids and aging NY > Dolls/Johnny Thunders fans raced out to pick up a phat sunburst!! > --B_3158486863_4946279 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Slash Matters Not to mention his impact on the top hat market.


D


on 2/1/04 11:11 AM, Andre Cholmondeley at projectobject@earthlink.net wrote= :

<snip>

> Since Guns N' Roses imploded
> in the mid-'90s, no Les Paul player has commanded the cross-genre visi= bility
> of Slash in his heyday.

>>>Since when did Slash have "cross-genre visibility", o= r for that matter much
>>>of a catalog?  Is this PR or what?

Well yes - the whole article is - but Like 'em or not - G N R had a HUGE effect on rock, hard rock, glam rock, metal and pop music in the late 80s.<= BR> Stations that played all of these genres played the hell outta 'sweet child= '
and 'welcome to the jungle'.

And they DID mark a return to straight-ahead rock n roll being on the chart= s
and actually selling "units"...

> Metallica's Kirk Hammett and Weezer's Rivers Cuomo,
> both Les Paul players, don't have Slash's following or showmanship.
>>>I guess the writer was one of those unfortunate Drunks n' Poser= s fans.
>>>[shaking head]  Or he's working for Gibson and is desperat= e to fill an
>>>article.


Well - he's wrong on the numbers.. Metallica certainly has the 'following'<= BR> of GnR and then some.... But Hammett has always been known for his black ESP. Still uses it - tho he does use LPs in the studio and occasionally
live. Weezer certainly had a couple hits but Mr Cuomo isnt per se known as = a
'guitar hero'.

As silly as that phrase is - in the world of rock it's what has defined
guitars sales.  - Hendrix, Page, Van Halen - you think immediately of = a
certain brand and model of guitar. Slash was just at the right place right<= BR> time with the right sound. Bingo - millions of kids and aging NY
Dolls/Johnny Thunders fans raced out to pick up a phat sunburst!!


 --B_3158486863_4946279-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 13:49:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11IkvW22455; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:46:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:46:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009a01c3e8f3$9749d0c0$4fe0bc3f@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:45:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0097_01C3E8C1.4BD52D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C3E8C1.4BD52D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Improvising vs. composingThe best advice I could give would be to = suggest the book by Derek Bailey, "Improvisation- Its Nature and = Practice in Music" ISBN 0-306-80528-6 British Library 0 7123 0506 8 If you haven't encountered this text yet, you should take the time. Nice = and open ended without a lot of hard opinions to swallow. A thinking = persons guide to music making. ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C3E8C1.4BD52D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Improvising vs. composing
The best advice I could give would be = to suggest=20 the book by Derek Bailey, "Improvisation- Its Nature and Practice in=20 Music"
ISBN 0-306-80528-6
British Library 0 7123 0506 = 8
 
If you haven't encountered this text = yet, you=20 should take the time. Nice and open ended without a lot of hard opinions = to=20 swallow. A thinking persons guide to music making.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C3E8C1.4BD52D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 14:01:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11IvGH25212; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:57:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:57:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <401D4C00.10900@biink.com> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:57:04 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing References: <009a01c3e8f3$9749d0c0$4fe0bc3f@hppav> In-Reply-To: <009a01c3e8f3$9749d0c0$4fe0bc3f@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I'm improvising, I'm composing. I think Frank Zappa called improvisation instant composition. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 14:23:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11JKs330665; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:20:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:20:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009a01c3e8f3$9749d0c0$4fe0bc3f@hppav> References: <009a01c3e8f3$9749d0c0$4fe0bc3f@hppav> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:11:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing books Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4c1o3C.A._eH.VGVHAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Bailey book is great. I'd recommend even more highly Free Play, by Stephen Nachmanovitch published by Tarcher At 12:45 PM -0600 2/1/04, Rick Williamson wrote: >The best advice I could give would be to suggest the book by Derek >Bailey, "Improvisation- Its Nature and Practice in Music" >ISBN 0-306-80528-6 >British Library 0 7123 0506 8 > >If you haven't encountered this text yet, you should take the time. >Nice and open ended without a lot of hard opinions to swallow. A >thinking persons guide to music making. > -- "Any universe simple enough to be understood is too simple to produce a mind able to understand it" -- John D. Barrow This conjecture strikes me as a logical extension of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 14:34:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11JVFl01053; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:31:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:31:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:31:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Improvising vs. Composing From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3158490675_5141213" Resent-Message-ID: <2lMjaD.A.VQ.DQVHAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3158490675_5141213 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks everyone for your responses=8B it=B9s very useful and interesting to tal= k about this. There were a couple of things people said that especially struc= k me-- Tom: =20 JS Bach did some of this with "The Royal Theme" as it's now called. He improvised for the King on the theme in the palace, then later after he wen= t home, he wrote up what he remembered and sent it back to the King as "A Musical Offering". That=B9s really fascinating to know. It also makes me realize how little I know about other people=B9s composition processes (other than the really famous examples like Cage). I=B9d love to hear more anecdotes on this subject= . What=B9s your process, anyone? Know any good stories about how others work? Per: When you start out an improvisation you have to understand that you let go of all control. It is indeed a method to put oneself in situations where yo= u loose control and have to rely entirely on instinct. A trick to achieve innovation. I guess that=B9s part of what=B9s bugging me=8B that my instincts seem to be so much more evolved than my rational mind. I feel kind of illiterate-- like I should be able to compose with as much disregard for =B3the rules=B2 as I improvise, but it isn=B9t working that way. My understanding of this is that composition is an act of will power, while improvisation is just an expression of life. That=B9s very well said. I guess I tend to come down more in the life camp than the will power one, which is something I often struggle with. To say a little more about Orange, the project I referred to in my first post on this topic, what we had been doing is improvising songs, which I always felt was kind of a cool approach to playing rock clubs. Since I do all of the =B3instrumental=B2 on bass and loops, it=B9s just a matter of coordinating with the singer and drummer. We just follow where the first noise goes, and then drop in lyric pieces, and spin them out in a totally different way each time we play. Maybe in a way, I=B9ve let all my baggage of past band experience and the whole way the rock scene works psyche me out o= f feeling like this is a legitimate way to work. At the same time, it is so totally unpredictable. Lots of people have suggested to just semi-structure loose compositions, but even doing that has been kind of stealing the fire from it for me. Hmmm. Anyway, it=B9s great to hear from everyone who wrote on this topic. I think I don=B9t participate in musical community as much as I should=8B it make= s things much less scary and weird. Dan --=20 ghost 7/ Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com --B_3158490675_5141213 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Improvising vs. Composing Thanks everyone for your responses— it’s v= ery useful and interesting to talk about this. There were a couple of things= people said that especially struck me--


Tom:
JS Bach did some of this with "The Royal Theme" as it's now ca= lled.  He improvised for the King on the theme in the palace, then late= r after he went home, he wrote up what he remembered and sent it back to the= King as "A Musical Offering".

That’s really fascinating to know. It= also makes me realize how little I know about other people’s composit= ion processes (other than the really famous examples like Cage). I’d l= ove to hear more anecdotes on this subject. What’s your process, anyon= e? Know any good stories about how others work?


Per:

When you start out an improvisation you have to understand that you let go = of all control. It is indeed a method to put oneself in situations where you= loose control and have to rely entirely on instinct. A trick to achieve inn= ovation.

I guess that’s part of what’s bugging me— that my instinc= ts seem to be so much more evolved than my rational mind. I feel kind of ill= iterate-- like I should be able to compose with as much disregard for “= ;the rules” as I improvise, but it isn’t working that way.

My understanding of this is that compositi= on is an act of will power, while improvisation is just an expression of lif= e.

That’s very well said. I guess I tend to come down more in the life c= amp than the will power one, which is something I often struggle with.


To say a little more about Orange, the project I referred to in my first po= st on this topic, what we had been doing is  improvising songs, which I= always felt was kind of a cool approach to playing rock clubs. Since I do a= ll of the “instrumental” on bass and loops, it’s just a ma= tter of coordinating with the singer and drummer. We just follow where the f= irst noise goes, and then drop in lyric pieces, and spin them out in a total= ly different way each time we play. Maybe in a way, I’ve let all my ba= ggage of past band experience and the whole way the rock scene works psyche = me out of feeling like this is a legitimate way to work. At the same time, i= t is so totally unpredictable. Lots of people have suggested to just semi-st= ructure loose compositions, but even doing that has been kind of stealing th= e fire from it for me.

Hmmm. Anyway, it’s great to hear from everyone who wrote on this topi= c. I think I don’t participate in musical community as much as I shoul= d— it makes things much less scary and weird.


Dan

--
ghost 7/ Orange
http://www.envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@rcn.com








 --B_3158490675_5141213-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 15:34:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11KUSE15791; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:30:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:30:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200402011934.i11JYHL01943@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200402011934.i11JYHL01943@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-723459744 Message-Id: <7675E533-54F5-11D8-A680-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing books Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:30:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3-723459744 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Another really good one (although hard to find) is "No Sound Is Innocent" by Eddie Prevost. TravisH On Feb 1, 2004, at 11:34 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing books > > > The Bailey book is great. I'd recommend even more highly > > Free Play, by Stephen Nachmanovitch published by Tarcher > --Apple-Mail-3-723459744 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Another really good one (although hard to find) is "No Sound Is Innocent" by Eddie Prevost. TravisH On Feb 1, 2004, at 11:34 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing books The Bailey book is great. I'd recommend even more highly Free Play, by Stephen Nachmanovitch published by Tarcher --Apple-Mail-3-723459744-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 15:48:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11KjgW19726; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:45:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:45:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <401D613C.1040805@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:27:40 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #358 for January 29, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #358 January 29, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Ian Boddy, who has been on the European electronica scene since the '70s. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Caged" by Ian Boddy and Chris Carter on the DiN label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "A Clockwork Orange" by Wendy Carlos on Columbia Records. Ian Boddy - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Wendy Carlos March from A Clockwork A Clockwork Orange (Columbia) Orange * Robert Rich Erasing Traces Calling Down the Sky (Soundscape) Sayer Liberation 1st Encounter (Invisible Shadows) Kurt Michaels Alien Presense Inner Worlds part one (Eitux) Rainer Bloss From Long, Long Ago Ampsy (Thunderbolt) Xeroid Entity Dione * Moons of Saturn (Electro-music.com) Diatonis Neptune's Erosion Ambient Life 2 (none) 12:00 am Boddy and Carter Concussed Caged (DiN) Boddy and Carter Coriolis Caged (DiN) Boddy and Carter Slab Caged (DiN) Boddy and Carter Sub-Aura Caged (DiN) Boddy and Carter Disembodied Caged (DiN) Boddy and Carter Caged Caged (DiN) Boddy and Carter Under-Dub Caged (DiN) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on the Ambient at Hyperreal List. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "ambient.01@hyperreal" disc one by members of the mailing list. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Telemusik Mixtur" by Karlheinz Stockhausen on Deutsche Grammophon. ill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 15:53:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11Kp7h21360; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:51:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:51:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:50:57 EST Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c9.3d1e02e1.2d4ec0b1_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c9.3d1e02e1.2d4ec0b1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en dan.....while playing with KLUTTER (a little all improve trio) i found that=20= i=20 got dissatisfied with the total "all improv" action.....very much fun and=20 very freeing, transendant at times! yet, i found that i needed some structur= e,=20 thus my totally anal solo live looping schtick which gives me the ability to= =20 improvise over mad structure (which can evolve in and of itself).....some of= you=20 out in loop-land have heard a portion of the KLUTTER material, we only playe= d=20 about ten times total and just about all of it was recorded, a small portion= =20 of it drek and a bunch of "wow, i have never played like that before and it=20 sounds kind-o-neat, even to me".....but i run into that wall of "what can i=20= play=20 now that i haven't played before " all too quickly.....TY MOYER the drummer=20= is=20 the driving force in KLUTTER, he hates structure, so most of the time i woul= d=20 try to play to the drums, "bring the loop to him" when it worked it sounded=20 good when it didn't, a fast case of loop kill.....there is no need to separa= te=20 improv from comp, meld the two together..... =20 AFTER MANY DELIGHTFUL POSTS AROUND THIS TOPIC=20 dan said<> that's why i love threads like this! way more interesting IMHO than the "how= =20 do you do a "backward sus 4 undo whaka whaka" on the old VXM-657.....thanks=20 for bringing this up dan.....great "thinking" fun.....and dan, if you want=20 "scary and weird" go to one of the many CALI LOOPFESTS that pop=20 up.....:).....michael --part1_c9.3d1e02e1.2d4ec0b1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en dan.....while playing with KLUTTE= R (a little all improve trio) i found that i got dissatisfied with the total= "all improv" action.....very much fun and very freeing, transendant at time= s! yet, i found that i needed some structure, thus my totally anal solo live= looping schtick which gives me the ability to improvise over mad structure=20= (which can evolve in and of itself).....some of you out in loop-land have he= ard a portion of the KLUTTER material, we only played about ten times total=20= and just about all of it was recorded, a small portion of it drek and a bunc= h of "wow, i have never played like that before and it sounds kind-o-neat, e= ven to me".....but i run into that wall of "what can i play now that i haven= 't played before " all too quickly.....TY MOYER the drummer is the driving f= orce in KLUTTER, he hates structure, so most of the time i would try to play= to the drums, "bring the loop to him" when it worked it sounded good when i= t didn't, a fast case of loop kill.....there is no need to separate improv f= rom comp, meld the two together.....

AFTER MANY DELIGHTFUL POSTS AROUND THIS TOPIC
dan said<<I think I don=E2=80=99t participate in musical community as=20= much as I should=E2=80=94 it makes things much less scary and weird.>>=

that's why i love threads like this! way more interesting IMHO than the "how= do you do a "backward sus 4 undo whaka whaka" on the old VXM-657.....thanks= for bringing this up dan.....great "thinking" fun.....and dan, if you want=20= "scary and weird" go to one of the many CALI LOOPFESTS that pop up.....:)...= ..michael




 --part1_c9.3d1e02e1.2d4ec0b1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 16:04:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11L0Pf22814; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:00:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:00:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: Music Plazma Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:00:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcPpBmhgumQ5NHeeQQaSNDGYf6KINQ== Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Came across a pretty neat site http://www.musicplasma.com/ - Typed in Nels Cline, Robert Fripp, Terry Riley, & David Torn and got to listen to some samples. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 16:29:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11LQka25606; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:26:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:26:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c3e90a$50f9d180$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:28:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3E8E0.67B77320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.216.63] at Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:26:43 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3E8E0.67B77320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Improvising vs. composingDan -=20 I can understand your question very, very well. =20 Like yourself, I've been improvising for years. Solo, and in "band" = situations. Yet, there are times when recreating a piece seems = useful/important. For example, I've felt the desire to prove that I = have command of my performance and my instrument and that I can recreate = a song or whatever, and I'm not just another freaky dude with a few = pedals throwing sonic-paint all over the place and calling it "art." I've re-learned jams for solo shows and within a band context. A few = things come to mind. 1. Learning how to "re-play" an improvisation is not actually = composition, really. With Super-Cannes, (a little instrumental band in Boston) we've = relearned jams - with various degrees of fidelity and success. Indeed, = we've taken recorded jams and edited them to create a new form we like, = and then learned THAT. In some ways, this is kind of close to what some = JAZZ guys did 50 years ago. =20 It can seem boring to re-learn an improvised piece, because it never = seems to exhibit the =E9lan of the initial improvisation. The trick is = to work PAST the stage of just being able to mimic the sounds and order = of events. After you've mastered the sounds and order of events, you = can then start to "play" the music again. It can take a little time, = and it needs patience. What's that saying? -- "5% inspiration - 95% = perspiration." Three months may not have been long enough. I'd say if you're playing = with others after three months you're just beginning to find your = collective "group voice."=20 The more complex the jam, the more complex the "re-learning" will be. = I've had to write down effect settings, changes and "events." Some of = these sheets have over 25 "moves I make / changes / parts." I have a = binder full of these sheets. It takes time to memorize all that. Not = that you need to -- classical musicians have sheet music in front of = them, right? It can sometimes help if you've more people in a "band" context. As = each person contributes a part toward the whole piece, they = proportionately only need to learn their part of the whole -- the = "recreation" burden is shared, if you will. 2. Being open to changes In the process of re-learning a jam, new ideas come to you and obviously = there no reason you can't include them, right? Sometimes adding in new = parts this way makes the re-learning process be more creative - and fun. = =20 When performing, surprizes await us all when something unexpected = happens. As long as everyone understands that can happen, these = "mistakes" can open a piece up to allow something new to come forward. = These mistakes often yield great moments where you get to improvise it = back to where you want it, or take a new road. 3. Performing regularly helps make it worthwhile. If you don't get enough regular chances to perform, it can seem like too = much effort to compose, relearn or rehearse. Weather you're 100% improv = or 100% composition based, each of us finds a personal balance on the = "preparation to performance" ratio. That never changes. =20 Perhaps a mix of some structure, and some improvisation (either within a = set or within a tune) can help.=20 Personally, I've also learned never to judge music as successful or = unsuccessful for an audience based on my emotional feeling on the stage = as the music happens. Too often on stage when I'm struggling I come = off to hear "Wow - that was intense, I loved what you did." Other times = when I'm feeling filled with the muse and flying along honest friends = whom I trust will inform me they thought I sucked! :-) 4. Adding musicians when there isn't structure -- It's all Me vs. = Sharing Obviously, it can be done - you just need to find the right people -- = just like for "normal" composed/rehearsed music. Allowing each person = space and control is what matters. When we can loop and layer, it can = be really fulfilling to make all that sound and follow our each and = every impulse. With multiple players it's critical to share space and = to "sit down" so someone else can take fly. 5. As Ernie Boch used to say, "come on down." Dan, we've performed together and as you know, I have a space in Boston = that you've been to. If you feel like coming down and jamming, let me = know. David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Soltzberg=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:30 AM Subject: Improvising vs. composing Hi gang, Would love to hear people's experiences with this dilemma: I've been doing a project, Orange, for a couple years. Tonight, I = packed my gear out of a rehearsal space and turned in my keys after 3 = months of struggling with trying to take this improvisational project = and make it more structured- i.e., take stuff we'd made up and recorded = at various shows and sessions and re-learn it and make a bunch of songs = out of it. I just found I wasn't enjoying the process of trying to do = this. So it seems I'm no longer very interested in writing and playing = songs- what I really get inspired doing is going out on a limb and = making the music up as I go. I can't seem to get the kind of spiritual = high I get when I'm improvising if I'm playing stuff that's = pre-structured. Not that I don't like structure- I just like creating it = on the fly.=20 Problem is, 1. It's kind of intense to go to every show having no idea = of what I'm going to play, hoping the muse is on the guest list=20 2. It's hard to bring other musicians in without having at least some = structure. Thoughts? Similar experiences? Solutions? Dan --=20 ghost 7/ Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3E8E0.67B77320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Improvising vs. composing
Dan -
 
I can understand your question very, = very=20 well. 
 
Like yourself, I've been improvising = for=20 years.  Solo, and in "band" situations.   Yet, there = are=20 times when recreating a piece seems useful/important.  For example, = I've=20 felt the desire to prove that I have command of my performance and my = instrument=20 and that I can recreate a song or whatever, and I'm not just another = freaky dude=20 with a few pedals throwing sonic-paint all over the place and calling it = "art."
 
I've re-learned jams for solo shows and = within a=20 band context.  A few things come = to=20 mind.
 
1. Learning how to "re-play" an = improvisation is not actually composition, really.
With Super-Cannes, (a little = instrumental band in=20 Boston) we've relearned jams - with various degrees of fidelity and=20 success.  Indeed, we've taken recorded jams and edited them to = create a new=20 form we like, and then learned THAT.  In some ways, this is kind of = close=20 to what some JAZZ guys did 50 years ago.  
 
It can seem boring to re-learn an = improvised piece,=20 because it never seems to exhibit the =E9lan of the initial = improvisation. =20 The trick is to work PAST the stage of just being able to mimic the = sounds and=20 order of events.  After you've mastered the sounds and order of = events, you=20 can then start to "play" the music again.  It can take a little = time, and=20 it needs patience.   What's that saying? -- "5% inspiration - = 95%=20 perspiration."
 
Three months may not have been long = enough. =20 I'd say if you're playing with others after three months you're just = beginning=20 to find your collective "group voice."
 
The more complex the jam, the more = complex the=20 "re-learning" will be.  I've had to write down effect settings, = changes and=20 "events."  Some of these sheets have over 25 "moves I make / = changes /=20 parts."  I have a binder full of these sheets.  It takes time = to=20 memorize all that.  Not that you need to -- classical musicians = have sheet=20 music in front of them, right?
 
It can sometimes help if you've more = people in a=20 "band" context.  As each person contributes a part toward the whole = piece,=20 they proportionately only need to learn their part of the whole = -- the=20 "recreation" burden is shared, if you will.
 
 
2. Being open to=20 changes
In the process of re-learning a jam, = new ideas come=20 to you and obviously there no reason you can't include them, = right? =20 Sometimes adding in new parts this way makes the re-learning process be = more=20 creative - and fun. 
 
When performing, surprizes await us all = when=20 something unexpected happens.  As long as everyone understands that = can=20 happen, these "mistakes" can open a piece up to allow something new to = come=20 forward.  These mistakes often yield great moments where you get to = improvise it back to where you want it, or take a new road.
 
 
3. Performing regularly helps = make it=20 worthwhile.
If you don't get enough regular chances = to perform,=20 it can seem like too much effort to compose, relearn or rehearse.  = Weather=20 you're 100% improv or 100% composition based, each of us finds a = personal=20 balance on the "preparation to performance" ratio.  That never=20 changes.  
 
Perhaps a mix of some structure, = and some=20 improvisation (either within a set or within a tune) can help. =
 
Personally, I've also learned never to = judge music=20 as successful or unsuccessful for an audience based on my emotional = feeling on=20 the stage as the music happens.   Too often on stage when I'm=20 struggling I come off to hear "Wow - that was intense, I loved what you=20 did."  Other times when I'm feeling filled with the muse and flying = along=20 honest friends whom I trust will inform me they thought I sucked! =20 :-)
 
 
4. Adding musicians when there = isn't=20 structure -- It's all Me vs. Sharing
Obviously, it can be done - you just = need to find=20 the right people -- just like for "normal" composed/rehearsed = music. =20 Allowing each person space and control is what matters.   = When we can loop and layer, it can be = really=20 fulfilling to make all that sound and follow our each and every = impulse. =20 With multiple players it's critical to share space and to "sit = down" so=20 someone else can take fly.
 
 
5. As Ernie Boch used to say, = "come on=20 down."
Dan, we've performed together and as = you know, I=20 have a space in Boston that you've been to.  If you feel like = coming down=20 and jamming, let me know.
 
David
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan = Soltzberg
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 = 12:30=20 AM
Subject: Improvising vs. = composing

Hi=20 gang,


Would love to hear people=92s experiences with this=20 dilemma:

I=92ve been doing a project, Orange, for a couple = years.=20 Tonight, I packed my gear out of a rehearsal space and turned in my = keys after=20 3 months of struggling with trying to take this improvisational = project and=20 make it more structured=97 i.e., take stuff we=92d made up and = recorded at various=20 shows and sessions and re-learn it and make a bunch of songs out of = it. I just=20 found I wasn=92t enjoying the process of trying to do this.

So = it seems=20 I=92m no longer very interested in writing and playing songs=97 what I = really get=20 inspired doing is going out on a limb and making the music up as I go. = I can=92t=20 seem to get the kind of spiritual high I get when I=92m improvising if = I=92m=20 playing stuff that=92s pre-structured. Not that I don=92t like = structure=97 I just=20 like creating it on the fly.

Problem is, 1. It=92s kind of = intense to go=20 to every show having no idea of what I=92m going to play, hoping the = muse is on=20 the guest list

2. It=92s hard to bring other musicians in = without having=20 at least some structure.


Thoughts? Similar experiences?=20 Solutions?


Dan


--
ghost 7/=20 = Orange
http://www.envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@rcn.com
 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3E8E0.67B77320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 17:14:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11MBmq00882; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 17:11:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 17:11:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c3e910$9ac73180$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: images and sounds (was Improvising vs. composing) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 17:13:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.216.63] at Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:11:45 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Emile - I totally hear what you're saying here on points 1, 2, & 3! I've been a musical performer while you are performing visually. Many times I've wished I could always see the imagery you're making while I perform. Otherwise, you're forced to follow me, because I can't see what you're doing. That can be frustrating for me too. Another situation is when I've been booked as a performer and only learn a videographer will be providing visual accompaniment when I get to the gig. Perhaps this is a bit black and white, but when THAT happens: - If the music is really sucking, it can be a real help to have some visual element going and distracting your audience. - If the music is really good, it can really suck to have some visual element going on and distracting your audience. The random collision of "your sounds" with "someone else's" visuals, can create happy accidents. It can also overwhelm the inner-landscape that the visuals OR the music alone would have created. Just like with anything, getting to know the people you work with -- and/or sharing expectations -- makes all the difference. Investing in synchronizing/coordinating the audio and visuals to create a piece that leverages both sound and vision makes something new and different. Here, the whole is more than the sum of the parts. And you know it succeeds on those terms when you feel that one element alone fails without the presence of the other. Now, it's THIS what I would like to experience more. In the heat of the moment and with all the set-up logistics going I'm guilty of not specifically taking a moment with you to come up with a little plan on what we might do together. For example, how long would it take if I came to you and said, "We've 15 minutes. Let's do three pieces. I'll follow you on the first. You follow me on the second. And on the third let's try to be all about 'gentleness.' " Clearly that hardly does justice to either of us, but it's better than no communication. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 1:57 AM Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing > I struggle with this all of the time, lately mainly in the video > realm. Among the problems I find are > > 1. The clearer the idea I think I have about what I want to do, > the harder it is to get started, and the less I feel I accomplish per > unit time. > > 2. No matter how much I tell myself I'm going to focus on the > original idea, my explorations always point me to something else -- > usually some detail or image or side idea catches my eye and > distracts me from the intended structure. > > 3. By the time the piece is halfway finished I'm so tired of the > idea I can't tell if my changes are making it better or worse. > > In addition, and more unique to my genre, its hard to get the > musicians to follow what I do, which reduces the point of having a > preconceived structure unless I'm working with a structured group > long enough to learn their material and compose sections for each of > their pieces. > > > > > At 12:30 AM -0500 2/1/04, Dan Soltzberg wrote: > >Hi gang, > > > > > >Would love to hear people's experiences with this dilemma: > > > >I've been doing a project, Orange, for a couple years. Tonight, I > >packed my gear out of a rehearsal space and turned in my keys after > >3 months of struggling with trying to take this improvisational > >project and make it more structured- i.e., take stuff we'd made up > >and recorded at various shows and sessions and re-learn it and make > >a bunch of songs out of it. I just found I wasn't enjoying the > >process of trying to do this. > > > >So it seems I'm no longer very interested in writing and playing > >songs- what I really get inspired doing is going out on a limb and > >making the music up as I go. I can't seem to get the kind of > >spiritual high I get when I'm improvising if I'm playing stuff > >that's pre-structured. Not that I don't like structure- I just like > >creating it on the fly. > > > >Problem is, 1. It's kind of intense to go to every show having no > >idea of what I'm going to play, hoping the muse is on the guest list > > > >2. It's hard to bring other musicians in without having at least > >some structure. > > > > > >Thoughts? Similar experiences? Solutions? > > > > > >Dan > > > > > >-- > >ghost 7/ Orange > >http://www.envelopeproductions.com > >d.ans@rcn.com > > > -- > "Any universe simple enough to be understood is too simple to produce > a mind able to understand it" -- John D. Barrow > > This conjecture strikes me as a logical extension of Godel's > Incompleteness Theorem. > > > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at > http://www.foryourhead.com > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 18:21:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i11NGRG08406; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:16:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:16:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040201150757.04f03298@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:17:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: does the edp pass mechanical control when sync'd in a stereo pair? In-Reply-To: <20040131161214.75024.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040131161214.75024.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:12 AM 1/31/2004, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote: >...like, if i connect a volume pedal to the back of >the unit, it won't pass this information to it's >stereo partner like it will with midi, correct? Feedback is passed. So if you are using the pedal to control feedback, you only have to connect it to the master. The master then uses midi to send feedback control to the slave. If you are using one of the interface modes where the pedal controls loop input or output volume, this is not passed to the slave. (because these controls happen in analog). One way to work around this is use a stereo volume pedal connected to both units. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 19:11:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1209ed18680; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 19:09:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 19:09:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040201155210.0300cd58@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:11:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:17 AM 1/30/2004, Glenn Poorman wrote: > > So, out of curiosity, which foot controller/front panel > > buttons trigger song > > start and song stop messages? There's not a "stop/play" button. > >Anything that sets the initial time will send out a time sync >and a song start. So hit record, do your first pass, and then >hit record again (or any of the alternate endings) and the >drum machine will start. The tempo is determined both by the >length of the loop as well as the "8ths beat" setting. With LoopIV, you also have the Tempo functions that let you send clock and startsongs before you record the loop, and then have your loop match that tempo when you do record it. You can also have it trigger the startsong message when you start recording, as opposed to when you end the loop record. This is useful for having a sequencer come in immediately when you start playing, instead of after you create the loop. You also have the ReAlign functions, which allow you to stop the sequencer and then have the Echoplex start it up in sync again with your loop when you want. If the Echoplex is the slave ReAlign lets you shift your loops out of alignment with the clock (by retriggering or reversing or whatever) and then ReAlign back with the sequencer. Or if you have stopped the sequencer and decide to start it again, the Echoplex will line the loop up when the clock starts again. > > I assume "mute" doesn't cause a song stop message to be sent, correct? >I > > want to be able to mute my loop and still have the percussion going. > >Mute does send a song stop in Loop IV. It didn't in Loop III. no, that is wrong. It sends stopsong when you reset the loop. not with mute. You do have a variety of additional ways to command startsongs. For example, if you have stopped the sequencer and put the loop in Mute, triggering the loop from the start sends a startsong message so that the sequencer starts with it. You also have some flexibility depending on how the sync parameter is set. Sync=out sends startsongs automatically for you at the times you would expect. (ending record, retriggering, etc.) If the Sync parameter is set to "Out User Start" (OuS), it sends the clock but does not automatically send startsongs, and you do it manually with the various startsong functions (in midi or from the front panel). Check the manual, this stuff is all in there. >I would like to be able to revert to the Loop III behavior >but I haven't found that to be configurable. Of course, that >doesn't mean it isn't, it just means I haven't found it. Please read the sync sections of the manual, you seem to be missing a lot of what LoopIV can do with sync. It is FAR more powerful than LoopIII. Also, it doesn't take away anything you had with LoopIII. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 19:21:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i120GX719769; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 19:16:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 19:16:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040201161203.02dddfd8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:18:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out In-Reply-To: <005601c3e73c$a83ab6a0$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> References: <005601c3e73c$a83ab6a0$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0FtgAD.A.t0E.hbZHAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:23 AM 1/30/2004, AvgJoe wrote: >To clarify, I'm going to be syncing EDP to the PX7. A nice feature of the >PX7 that I've not figured out in typical drum machines I've used is that >the tempo is stored with the sequence, so you call up the drum sequence to >use and it's got the tempo I stored with it. For my purposes that's >prefered, >though I'm sure it could be set up to work the other way too. in other words, you will have the sequencer as the sync master. It will be sending the clock and startsongs. The echoplex will be receiving the clock, and not sending start/stop messages. > >> I assume "mute" doesn't cause a song stop message to be sent, correct? I > >> want to be able to mute my loop and still have the percussion going. > > > > Mute does send a song stop in Loop IV. It didn't in Loop III. that is wrong as noted before, although it wouldn't make any difference for you if the echoplex is the slave to the sequencer. >good think the box I bought is still at Loop III in that respect. >Hopefully LoopIII will deliver all the things I need without needing loopIV. I think you will find the sync functions of LoopIV are extremely useful for what you want to do, compared to LoopIII. You can check the manual on the LoopIV page: http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 20:36:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i121XLu28533; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:33:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:33:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 17:33:18 -0800 Subject: The muse (was Re: Improvising vs. composing) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One note regarding difficulty finding the muse. Y2K3 was the only performance that Kim Flint wasn't at... Mark on 2/1/04 9:10 AM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: > Loopstock 2002: I personally remember being nervous as hell not having > played in public since 1987. Jon Wagner's recording of the last five minutes > of my performance, however, (see http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg and > click on the Loopstock 2002 link) still strikes me as turning out really > well. > > Santa Cruz Y2K2: I just got the recordings a couple months ago from Peter > Coates. The three pieces had a fair amount of similarity across them, but I > think they all turned out really well. > > Loopstock 2003: I know I was in a dark, noisy, ambient mode at the time, but > I haven't heard the recordings to know how it turned out. > > Santa Cruz Y2K3: It had not been a good week for me and the muse was being > less co-operative. My first piece went way too long as I tried to make it > work. The other three pieces were better but not up to the standards of > Y2K2. (If you invite me back this year, Rick, I promise to try to do > better.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 21:42:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i122co104464; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 21:38:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 21:38:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040202023843.72752.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:38:43 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: does the edp pass mechanical control when sync'd in a stereo pair? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040201150757.04f03298@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1968692861-1075689523=:71155" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1968692861-1075689523=:71155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thank you kim. -jim --0-1968692861-1075689523=:71155 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
thank you kim.
 
-jim
--0-1968692861-1075689523=:71155-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 23:57:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i124ti721967; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:55:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:55:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:55:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0C79AC66-553C-11D8-B80E-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dan, et al i'm a little late getting in on this, but thought i'd still throw my hat in the ring. i do both live sound and live video improvisation - occasionally both at the same time - and have used improvisation at the root of most of my work over the past 20 years. when i'm playing live what i generally do is prepare an outline of what i will do at a show; set up a patch, devise a technique to explore, map out a tonal territory, etc. i may stay within those bounds or strike out into the unknown when the event happens. when i do things in the studio, i do a similar process, explore the direction i want to go, improvise and record, take elements of those recordings and add more layers or process and manipulate the elements. i do this for both video and audio. for many years i composed music for choreographers, where i often had to work with counts or beat charts, so i found ways to adapt my process to those needs. every project is a different problem, with a unique solution. cheers bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 2 09:16:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i12ECFE21325; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:12:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:12:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c801c3e996$8aeadd80$594179a5@D9MS6F11> From: "The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster" To: References: <200308191556.h7JFuxW23736@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Syncing EDP to Repeater? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:12:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks. I know this must have been covered elsewhere, but I can't seem to find it. Anyone have any info on syncing a EDP to a repeater? Thanks jb PS. Or vice versa. http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 2 09:28:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i12ENeD22842; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:23:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:23:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:23:36 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Echoplex and MIDI out thread-index: AcPpQBJalgiB9jxBQeePA4YeG9f+JAAV9VAA From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2004 14:23:36.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[255082C0:01C3E998] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i12ENdc22818 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Mute does send a song stop in Loop IV. It didn't in Loop III. > > no, that is wrong. It sends stopsong when you reset the loop. > not with mute. If that's the case, then why does my drum machine stop when my sync is set to "Out" and I hit mute? > Please read the sync sections of the manual ... I'll hit it thoroughly tonight. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 2 10:03:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i12Ex6631859; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:59:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:59:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c3e99e$467f5380$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <200308191556.h7JFuxW23736@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c801c3e996$8aeadd80$594179a5@D9MS6F11> Subject: Syncing FLStudio and Repeater? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:07:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i can do it, but i'm getting a lot of fluctuation out to the repeater from my pc. if i do it from the stupid sequencer on my xp-50 it's locked on. any ideas? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 2 11:27:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i12GKun09839; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:20:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:20:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040202162049.48408.qmail@web80211.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:20:49 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: oberheim matrix1000 - opinions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c801c3e996$8aeadd80$594179a5@D9MS6F11> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-157189034-1075738849=:46254" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-157189034-1075738849=:46254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'm on the fence regarding which synth to buy...either the emu vintage pro or the ANALOG!!! oberheim matrix 1000. anybody wanna try and convince me one way or the other? -jim --0-157189034-1075738849=:46254 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

i'm on the fence regarding which synth to buy...either the emu vintage pro or the ANALOG!!! oberheim matrix 1000.  anybody wanna try and convince me one way or the other? 

-jim

--0-157189034-1075738849=:46254-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 2 11:54:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i12Giuo13416; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:44:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:44:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:44:46 -0500 Subject: Re: oberheim matrix1000 - opinions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040202162049.48408.qmail@web80211.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <1C02D72A-559F-11D8-9EDC-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i12Giuc13392 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, as an owner of a matrix 6r (essentially the same engine as the matrix 1000, but with easier programming) - and having never heard the emu - i would say that there are a couple issues that come immediately to mind: firstly, support. emu is alive and well, and i assume that their unit is still in production? the matirx is over a decade old (not a bad thing) and essentially unsupported - though there are numerous resources on the web with patches, etc. second, interface. the matrix 6 is enough of a bitch to program on its own, and i've heard the 1000 is worse. in fact you might not be able to program it from the front panel - you would need a software patch librarian (like motu's unisyn, which is mac-only and os9 only, or one of the numerous pc options.) the emu would definitely have a friendlier user-interface in-and-of-itself, and also more support from librarian programs i assume. of course, the ultimate test is the sound - you need to listen to both, they both come with a wide array of presets to show off their capabilities (though the 1000's may sound a tad dated... 80's style.) good luck bruce On Monday, February 2, 2004, at 11:20 AM, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote: > i'm on the fence regarding which synth to buy...either the emu vintage > pro or the ANALOG!!! oberheim matrix 1000.  anybody wanna try and > convince me one way or the other?  > > -jim > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 2 16:08:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i12L49H19767; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:04:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:04:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:03:34 EST Subject: Loop IV reverse questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm using loopIV in my EDP.. and recently discovered by accident that a CC pedal I use for "hold" functions on synths (CC#64) is now kicking me into reverse mode when the EDP is playing. My source # is set to 31.. so this makes sense as the offset for "go into reverse" is 33. (33+31=64... I went to college ;) 2 questions though... how do I get out of reverse? Is there a way to do it from the front panel? and... with the nice long MIDI implementation now in Loop IV is there a way to set the EDP so that it doesn't receive all of them? (dumb question... pretty sure the answer is no... but....). Thanks! Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 2 17:24:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i12MKQs29710; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:20:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:20:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.201.211.175] X-Originating-Email: [smtercha@msn.com] X-Sender: smtercha@msn.com From: "STEPHANIE TERCHA" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loop IV reverse questions Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 17:20:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2004 22:20:19.0982 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE356AE0:01C3E9DA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have no idea what you're talking about >From: DialaThos@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Loop IV reverse questions >Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:03:34 EST > >Hi all, > >I'm using loopIV in my EDP.. and recently discovered by accident that a CC >pedal I use for "hold" functions on synths (CC#64) is now kicking me into >reverse mode when the EDP is playing. My source # is set to 31.. so this >makes >sense as the offset for "go into reverse" is 33. (33+31=64... I went to >college ;) > >2 questions though... how do I get out of reverse? Is there a way to do it >from the front panel? > >and... with the nice long MIDI implementation now in Loop IV is there a way >to set the EDP so that it doesn't receive all of them? (dumb question... >pretty sure the answer is no... but....). > >Thanks! >Tom > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 2 18:23:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i12NJ6903991; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:19:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:19:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d401c3e9f3$ffe07250$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Loop IV reverse questions Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:21:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2LaedC.A.P-.qrtHAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Get out of reverse by sending a Forward command which, in your case (if your Source#=31), would be CC#63. Although, if it's going to be a constant problem, you're better off setting your source to a different number to avoid collisions, changing the hold CC on your synths, or using notes to control the EDP. No, you can't filter the DirectMIDI commands that the EDP receives from the EDP end, as far as I know. Although, you might be able to filter them from the PC with some extra software, if that's where the commands are coming from, or going through... Depends on your MIDI routing. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "STEPHANIE TERCHA" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:20 PM Subject: RE: Loop IV reverse questions > I have no idea what you're talking about > > > >From: DialaThos@aol.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Loop IV reverse questions > >Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:03:34 EST > > > >Hi all, > > > >I'm using loopIV in my EDP.. and recently discovered by accident that a CC > >pedal I use for "hold" functions on synths (CC#64) is now kicking me into > >reverse mode when the EDP is playing. My source # is set to 31.. so this > >makes > >sense as the offset for "go into reverse" is 33. (33+31=64... I went to > >college ;) > > > >2 questions though... how do I get out of reverse? Is there a way to do it > >from the front panel? > > > >and... with the nice long MIDI implementation now in Loop IV is there a way > >to set the EDP so that it doesn't receive all of them? (dumb question... > >pretty sure the answer is no... but....). > > > >Thanks! > >Tom > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! > http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 2 21:24:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i132KkK28277; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 21:20:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 21:20:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:21:05 -0500 Subject: Zappa From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>From: David Beardsley >>Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:57:04 -0500 >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Improvising vs. composing >>When I'm improvising, I'm composing. >>I think Frank Zappa called improvisation instant composition. -- >>* David Beardsley >>* microtonal guitar >>* http://biink.com/db And now.. Frank is DE-composing. (ouch. Sorry .. I Felt in a bad punny mood) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 00:32:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i135TiL22461; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 00:29:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 00:29:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <401F306F.34195112@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:24:00 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Los Angeles Gig Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The East Coast audiences last week rocked HARD - let's see if LA is up to it: Sunday, Feb. 8th The Equator 22 Mills Place Pasadena, CA 91105-1910 I'll play a solo set at 7:00 PM, followed by Daren Burns and Koorosh Daryaie (aka Dark Numbers) doing their live duo electronic thing after me. (This is the same duo Rick Walker was originally scheduled to do a NAMM week gig with). We'll play as a trio to wrap things up. The Equator is a very cool coffee shop tucked in Old Town Pasadena, quite a nice space to hang out and listen to music in, and it's a free show - swing by and check it out if you can. Best wishes, and thanks again to everyone who came to (and organized!) an East Coast show - 'twas a blast! --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 02:19:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i137Edl03224; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:14:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:14:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040202231331.03676438@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:16:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop IV reverse questions In-Reply-To: <00d401c3e9f3$ffe07250$0200a8c0@amd> References: <00d401c3e9f3$ffe07250$0200a8c0@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6rVKgD.A.Ry.fp0HAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In addition to what Jesse said, can't you just set the echoplex to a different midi channel from your synth? kim At 05:21 PM 2/2/2004, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Get out of reverse by sending a Forward command which, in your case (if your >Source#=31), would be CC#63. Although, if it's going to be a constant >problem, you're better off setting your source to a different number to >avoid collisions, changing the hold CC on your synths, or using notes to >control the EDP. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 02:43:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i137eax05495; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:40:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:40:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040202234008.04fdcba8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:42:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Syncing EDP to Repeater? In-Reply-To: <00c801c3e996$8aeadd80$594179a5@D9MS6F11> References: <200308191556.h7JFuxW23736@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c801c3e996$8aeadd80$594179a5@D9MS6F11> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:12 AM 2/2/2004, The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster wrote: >Hi folks. I know this must have been covered elsewhere, but I can't seem to >find it. Anyone have any info on syncing a EDP to a repeater? you can easily sync them with midi clock. Is there something specific you want to know? You might try searching the list archives, many aspects of sync between these two have been discussed before. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 06:35:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13BV2P30650; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:31:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:31:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1075807856!7733159 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533F61@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 11:30:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA49.26314060" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA49.26314060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Not to mention his impact on the top hat market. << guitar stylings stolen from page and perry, image a mish-mash of johnny thunders and noddy holder... and gibson are holding him up as some sort of guitar hero? GnR may have sold millions of albums, but gibson's use of slash in their PR is an insult to les paul. and all this bullshit about superior digitisation happening inside the guitar.... it's just made me feel more strongly that gibson lost the plot in 1959 and have never got it back. I can only imagine that the PR we all just read was written out long-hand by a non-musician; there's no way any self-respecting live-performing guitarist with any experience of computer networks would've written that bad-science drivel. the idea of taking a computer onstage is bad enough- even "dedicated" hardware with any sort of processor onboard is asking for trouble somewhere down the line- but relying absolutely on it to extract a performance from the sacred piece of wood..... no thanks. tried a variax in a shop a few days ago- it's like a dog walking on it's hind legs. good trick, but now can I have a real '68 rick please? at least until line6 come up with a neck that changes profile too.... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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 >> Not to mention his impact on the top hat market. <<
 
guitar stylings stolen from page and perry, image a mish-mash of johnny thunders and noddy holder... and gibson are holding him up as some sort of guitar hero? GnR may have sold millions of albums, but gibson's use of slash in their PR is an insult to les paul. 
 
and all this bullshit about superior digitisation happening inside the guitar.... it's just made me feel more strongly that gibson lost the plot in 1959 and have never got it back. I can only imagine that the PR we all just read was written out long-hand by a non-musician; there's no way any self-respecting live-performing guitarist with any experience of computer networks would've written that bad-science drivel.
 
the idea of taking a computer onstage is bad enough- even "dedicated" hardware with any sort of processor onboard is asking for trouble somewhere down the line- but relying absolutely on it to extract a performance from the sacred piece of wood..... no thanks.
 
tried a variax in a shop a few days ago- it's like a dog walking on it's hind legs. good trick, but now can I have a real '68 rick please? at least until line6 come up with a neck that changes profile too....
 
duncan/r.m.i.


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA49.26314060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 08:21:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13DISe10653; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 08:18:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 08:18:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 08:18:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA58.3303E220" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA58.3303E220 Content-Type: text/plain Goddard said: "the idea of taking a computer onstage is bad enough- even "dedicated" hardware with any sort of processor onboard is asking for trouble somewhere down the line- " Goddard, that might be the wrong thing to say on a LIVE LOOPER list. Considering most of us on here have some sort of processor power onstage. Calm down dude. Plus, for kids in the late 80's who knew nothing beyond hot pink Kramers, Ibanez's, BC Rich's, and Yamaha's, having someone like Slash come along showing an appreciation for vintage riffs, instruments, etc was a nice breath of fresh air. For an old fart like you, maybe it was just an obvious ripoff. But for kids at the time, his "look" and influences helped millions of kids (like myself at the time) delve into those older records, influences, etc. Granted, he may not have been an originator, but he definitely helped keep the originators' influences alive and made them relevant and "cool" to kids like me. Besides, the originators weren't originators themselves. They ripped off their predecessors, and on down the line. It was just new to you at the time because you were a punk kid and didn't know any better. Peace, DM _____ From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads >> Not to mention his impact on the top hat market. << guitar stylings stolen from page and perry, image a mish-mash of johnny thunders and noddy holder... and gibson are holding him up as some sort of guitar hero? GnR may have sold millions of albums, but gibson's use of slash in their PR is an insult to les paul. and all this bullshit about superior digitisation happening inside the guitar.... it's just made me feel more strongly that gibson lost the plot in 1959 and have never got it back. I can only imagine that the PR we all just read was written out long-hand by a non-musician; there's no way any self-respecting live-performing guitarist with any experience of computer networks would've written that bad-science drivel. the idea of taking a computer onstage is bad enough- even "dedicated" hardware with any sort of processor onboard is asking for trouble somewhere down the line- but relying absolutely on it to extract a performance from the sacred piece of wood..... no thanks. tried a variax in a shop a few days ago- it's like a dog walking on it's hind legs. good trick, but now can I have a real '68 rick please? at least until line6 come up with a neck that changes profile too.... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA58.3303E220 Content-Type: text/html Re: Slash Matters
Goddard said:
"the idea of taking a computer onstage is bad enough- even "dedicated" hardware with any sort of processor onboard is asking for trouble somewhere down the line- "
 
Goddard, that might be the wrong thing to say on a LIVE LOOPER list. Considering most of us on here have some sort of processor power onstage.
 
Calm down dude.
 
Plus, for kids in the late 80's who knew nothing beyond hot pink Kramers, Ibanez's, BC Rich's, and Yamaha's, having someone like Slash come along showing an appreciation for vintage riffs, instruments, etc was a nice breath of fresh air.
 
For an old fart like you, maybe it was just an obvious ripoff. But for kids at the time, his "look" and influences helped millions of kids (like myself at the time) delve into those older records, influences, etc.
 
Granted, he may not have been an originator, but he definitely helped keep the originators' influences alive and made them relevant and "cool" to kids like me.
 
Besides, the originators weren't originators themselves. They ripped off their predecessors, and on down the line. It was just new to you at the time because you were a punk kid and didn't know any better.
 
Peace,
 
DM

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 >> Not to mention his impact on the top hat market. <<
 
guitar stylings stolen from page and perry, image a mish-mash of johnny thunders and noddy holder... and gibson are holding him up as some sort of guitar hero? GnR may have sold millions of albums, but gibson's use of slash in their PR is an insult to les paul. 
 
and all this bullshit about superior digitisation happening inside the guitar.... it's just made me feel more strongly that gibson lost the plot in 1959 and have never got it back. I can only imagine that the PR we all just read was written out long-hand by a non-musician; there's no way any self-respecting live-performing guitarist with any experience of computer networks would've written that bad-science drivel.
 
the idea of taking a computer onstage is bad enough- even "dedicated" hardware with any sort of processor onboard is asking for trouble somewhere down the line- but relying absolutely on it to extract a performance from the sacred piece of wood..... no thanks.
 
tried a variax in a shop a few days ago- it's like a dog walking on it's hind legs. good trick, but now can I have a real '68 rick please? at least until line6 come up with a neck that changes profile too....
 
duncan/r.m.i.


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA58.3303E220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 09:22:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13EEmP17604; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:14:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:14:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01e101c3ea60$7f8f3ec0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:17:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01DE_01C3EA60.7EBF6BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01DE_01C3EA60.7EBF6BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Slash MattersFrom: Don Makoviney=20 Plus, for kids in the late 80's who knew nothing beyond hot pink = Kramers, Ibanez's, BC Rich's, and Yamaha's, having someone like Slash = come along showing an appreciation for vintage riffs, instruments, etc = was a nice breath of fresh air. That's like calling the ripping off of other peoples' choreography an = "homage". Drunks n' Posers was just a Big Hair band without shampoo but = with plenty of cocaine and likker. For an old fart like you, maybe it was just an obvious ripoff. But for = kids at the time, his "look" and influences helped millions of kids = (like myself at the time) delve into those older records, influences, = etc. I would love to see anyplace where Slash ever talked about anything = about his influences, or for that matter encouraged anyone to look up = the people who did the work he picked up on. Granted, he may not have been an originator, but he definitely helped = keep the originators' influences alive and made them relevant and "cool" = to kids like me. In order to do that, again, he would have had to tell people what his = influences are. Besides, the originators weren't originators themselves. They ripped = off their predecessors, and on down the line. It was just new to you at = the time because you were a punk kid and didn't know any better. Which of course is no excuse for anything, after all. Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net ------=_NextPart_000_01DE_01C3EA60.7EBF6BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Slash Matters
Plus, for = kids in the late=20 80's who knew nothing beyond hot pink Kramers, Ibanez's, BC Rich's, = and=20 Yamaha's, having someone like Slash come along showing an appreciation = for=20 vintage riffs, instruments, etc was a nice breath of fresh=20 air.
That's like = calling the=20 ripping off of other peoples' choreography an "homage".  Drunks n' = Posers=20 was just a Big Hair band without shampoo but with plenty of cocaine and=20 likker.
For an old = fart like you,=20 maybe it was just an obvious ripoff. But for kids at the time, his = "look" and=20 influences helped millions of kids (like myself at the time) delve = into those=20 older records, influences, = etc.
I would love = to=20 see anyplace where Slash ever talked about anything about = his=20 influences, or for that matter encouraged anyone to look up the people = who did=20 the work he picked up on.
Granted, he = may not have=20 been an originator, but he definitely helped keep the originators' = influences=20 alive and made them relevant and "cool" to kids like=20 me.
In order to do = that, again,=20 he would have had to tell people what his influences=20 are.
Besides, the = originators=20 weren't originators themselves. They ripped off their predecessors, = and on=20 down the line. It was just new to you at the time because you were a = punk kid=20 and didn't know any better.
Which of = course is no excuse=20 for anything, after all.
 
Steve = Goodman
*=20 EarthLight Productions
* http://www.earthlight.net
------=_NextPart_000_01DE_01C3EA60.7EBF6BA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 09:39:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13EZFu20037; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:35:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:35:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:35:12 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads thread-index: AcPqYJExXzboqOAhQ4eTidHnapCvyAAAXG5w From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2004 14:35:12.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE9802A0:01C3EA62] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i13EZEc20014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > For an old fart like you, maybe it was just an obvious ripoff. > > But for kids at the time, his "look" and influences helped millions > > of kids (like myself at the time) delve into those older records, > > influences, etc. > > I would love to see anyplace where Slash ever talked about anything > about his influences, or for that matter encouraged anyone to look > up the people who did the work he picked up on. > > > Granted, he may not have been an originator, but he definitely > > helped keep the originators' influences alive and made them > > relevant and "cool" to kids like me. > > In order to do that, again, he would have had to tell people what > his influences are. I would argue that that's not necessarily true. I'm not a fan of Slash or G&R and probably fall more into the "old fart" category myself. But ... people who find themselves seriously getting into the stylings of particular musicians have a habit of sniffing out the influences on their own. We all have friends, parents, siblings right? How many times have any of us heard "if you like that, you should check this out". Tis what makes the world go round ... thankfully. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 09:44:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13EcQx20508; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:38:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:38:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:38:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA63.5E2F5CD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA63.5E2F5CD0 Content-Type: text/plain Right. I wasn't saying it was the ONLY way, but it was certainly a help for many, including me. The Black Crowes were another one in the early 90's, turned me on to the Faces, Stones, etc. DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Glenn Poorman [mailto:glenn.poorman@autodesk.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:35 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: RE: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads >> >>> > For an old fart like you, maybe it was just an obvious ripoff. >>> > But for kids at the time, his "look" and influences >>helped millions >>> > of kids (like myself at the time) delve into those older records, >>> > influences, etc. >>> >>> I would love to see anyplace where Slash ever talked about anything >>> about his influences, or for that matter encouraged anyone >>to look up >>> the people who did the work he picked up on. >>> >>> > Granted, he may not have been an originator, but he definitely >>> > helped keep the originators' influences alive and made >>them relevant >>> > and "cool" to kids like me. >>> >>> In order to do that, again, he would have had to tell >>people what his >>> influences are. >> >>I would argue that that's not necessarily true. I'm not a fan >>of Slash or G&R and probably fall more into the "old fart" >>category myself. But ... people who find themselves seriously >>getting into the stylings of particular musicians have a >>habit of sniffing out the influences on their own. >> >>We all have friends, parents, siblings right? How many times >>have any of us heard "if you like that, you should check this >>out". Tis what makes the world go round ... thankfully. >> >>Glenn >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA63.5E2F5CD0 Content-Type: text/html RE: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads

Right. I wasn't saying it was the ONLY way, but it was certainly a help for many, including me.

The Black Crowes were another one in the early 90's, turned me on to the Faces, Stones, etc.

DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Glenn Poorman [mailto:glenn.poorman@autodesk.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:35 AM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: RE: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads
>>
>>> > For an old fart like you, maybe it was just an obvious ripoff.
>>> > But for kids at the time, his "look" and influences
>>helped millions
>>> > of kids (like myself at the time) delve into those older records,
>>> > influences, etc.
>>>
>>> I would love to see anyplace where Slash ever talked about anything
>>> about his influences, or for that matter encouraged anyone
>>to look up
>>> the people who did the work he picked up on.
>>>
>>> > Granted, he may not have been an originator, but he definitely
>>> > helped keep the originators' influences alive and made
>>them relevant
>>> > and "cool" to kids like me.
>>>
>>> In order to do that, again, he would have had to tell
>>people what his
>>> influences are.
>>
>>I would argue that that's not necessarily true. I'm not a fan
>>of Slash or G&R and probably fall more into the "old fart"
>>category myself. But ... people who find themselves seriously
>>getting into the stylings of particular musicians have a
>>habit of sniffing out the influences on their own.
>>
>>We all have friends, parents, siblings right? How many times
>>have any of us heard "if you like that, you should check this
>>out". Tis what makes the world go round ... thankfully.
>>
>>Glenn
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA63.5E2F5CD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 09:56:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13EoVq21867; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:50:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:50:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RODCSH1@aol.com Message-ID: <112.2e2599f9.2d510f31@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:50:25 EST Subject: Re: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1075819825" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5006 Resent-Message-ID: <7wc5OC.A.iVF.3U7HAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1075819825 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What does Slash have to do with looping? really. -------------------------------1075819825 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What does Slash have to do with looping? really. -------------------------------1075819825-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 09:58:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13Er0h22134; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:53:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:53:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:52:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA65.67F08BC0" Resent-Message-ID: <7V72VC.A.rZF.LX7HAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA65.67F08BC0 Content-Type: text/plain Nothing. Lets move on. Suffice it to say. A CAT-5 guitar could be a pretty cool thing for the experimental and/or looping musician. DM _____ From: RODCSH1@aol.com [mailto:RODCSH1@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads What does Slash have to do with looping? really. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA65.67F08BC0 Content-Type: text/html
Nothing. Lets move on.
 
Suffice it to say. A CAT-5 guitar could be a pretty cool thing for the experimental and/or looping musician.
 
DM

From: RODCSH1@aol.com [mailto:RODCSH1@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:50 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads

What does Slash have to do with looping? really.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA65.67F08BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 11:57:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13Gmxn03908; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 11:48:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 11:48:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040203164855.62086.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 08:48:55 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: re: matrix 1000 vs. vintage keys To: jimfowler@prodigy.net Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com inown both. definitely would choose the matrix 1000 anyday. the vintage keys, to my ears, just isn't up to snuff. the patches sound flat. there's a *couple* ok rhodes-ish sounds, a good supply of biting leads. but really i think it's barely worth the money (and i only paid $150 for the sound rom). the matrix on the other hand is the real deal. fatty basses. analog. it cannot be programmed from the front panel, however (i lucked out and scored the Access control panel for it). if you want to be able to change the patches (which really makes it worthwhile) you'll need to do it in software or get a matrix 6r. in summary, the synth lead sounds on the vintage keys are decent, and there's a lot of them. but a korg ms2000 or microkorg is cooler. for clavinet and electric piano sounds, a yamaha motif is cooler. for all of the above, a roland fantom-s is the coolest. and there is a rackmount version of the fantom coming out in march! all these units have support. for analog sounds that are awesome but you won't use everyday, the matrix 1000. and you get no support. hope i've helped. or not at all maybe. -dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 12:11:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13H3BY06821; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:03:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:03:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1075827773!7762589 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533F70@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Slash Matters/cat 5 guitar leads Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:03:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA77.B34B2500" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA77.B34B2500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> What does Slash have to do with looping? really. << I'll get me coat. really, the point was the parlous state of affairs that's led gibson to promote their wares thusly. and they sell the EDP. but I'll get me coat anyway. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA77.B34B2500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
 >> What does Slash have to do with looping? really. <<
 
I'll get me coat.
 
really, the point was the parlous state of affairs that's led gibson to promote their wares thusly. and they sell the EDP.
 
but I'll get me coat anyway.
 
d. 


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EA77.B34B2500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 13:42:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13IZHN21351; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:35:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:35:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:34:16 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c3ea84$556c7620$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040129200726.SNED9070.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been looping with 2 EDPs in stereo, and want to make sure that each unit has the same parameter settings. What is the best way to go about this? I have the brother sync cable attached, and midi out from EDP1 to EDP2. I notice that changing a parameter from #1 will change the same parameter on #2, incrementally, so if #2 starts at a different setting it will not change to match #1, so it is necessary to manually adjust the #2 parameter to match #1. I'm getting this straightened out by manually changing #2 to match #1, but still am getting some unexpected behaviour: sometimes doing a Multiply doesn't end on #2 along with #1. I was getting some cool results by inadvertently having different quantize settings on each unit. Hoping to elicit some wisdom and instruction here, including: What is the list of parameters that have to match to insure total stereo connectivity? Can you send preset from #1 to #2 via midi? What are cool ideas that people have found for deviating parameters on #1 and #2, esp while operating as "stereo" (recording the same audio to each EDP) Footpedal programming: The best way to go from stereo operation to dual mono (different midi channels) in a live setting. Seems like there a lot of dual EDP owners who piped up here. Please share your secrets! Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 14:06:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13IoxF24534; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:50:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:50:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040203185051.9674.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:50:51 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c3ea84$556c7620$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2139873950-1075834251=:9090" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2139873950-1075834251=:9090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sometimes i get glitchy behaviour, particularly when selecting the reverse function from the front panel on the master edp. of course, any control input into the slave edp will not be echoed to the master (midi connection is uni-directional). if i recall correctly (and there's a good chance i don't), you can connect them via midi and set the params on the master, which will in turn select them in the slave. for example, if you're in param X and slave differs from master, then you can adjust slave to match and continue on with the programming. -jim --0-2139873950-1075834251=:9090 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
sometimes i get glitchy behaviour, particularly when selecting the reverse function from the front panel on the master edp. 
 
of course, any control input into the slave edp will not be echoed to the master (midi connection is uni-directional). 
 
if i recall correctly (and there's a good chance i don't), you can connect them via midi and set the params on the master, which will in turn select them in the slave.  for example, if you're in param X and slave differs from master, then you can adjust slave to match and continue on with the programming. 
 
-jim
--0-2139873950-1075834251=:9090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 14:10:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13ItIh25058; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:55:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:55:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:55:15 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters thread-index: AcPqhr0qzt1ZVUDBSVebwpk2Uex5tQAABjxA From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2004 18:55:16.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[42EB3060:01C3EA87] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i13ItHc25033 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're setup to use Brother Sync, any parameter selection on the master should automatically be done on the slave as well. When I setup my 2nd unit, I went through manually and set all the parameters the same. After that, all parameter changes are done with my MIDI foot controller and happen on both units. Even if I were to change parameters on the front panel of the master though, they would still change on the slave. The one thing I haven't played with yet is presets. I'm finding more and more reason to investigate this so I'll probably do that within the next week. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: JAMES FOWLER, III [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:51 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters > > sometimes i get glitchy behaviour, particularly when selecting > the reverse function from the front panel on the master edp. > > of course, any control input into the slave edp will not be > echoed to the master (midi connection is uni-directional). > > if i recall correctly (and there's a good chance i don't), you > can connect them via midi and set the params on the master, > which will in turn select them in the slave. for example, if > you're in param X and slave differs from master, then you can > adjust slave to match and continue on with the programming. > > -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 14:21:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13JHC928680; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:17:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:17:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 11:16:12 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c3ea8a$30807fe0$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3EA47.225EC680" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040203185051.9674.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3EA47.225EC680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well that's what I just reported. It doesn't match automatically unless they both START at the same setting. Incrementing a param on the master increments on the slave but doesn't match it automatically. Unless I was hallucinating, or I have a deviant 2nd EDP, that's what I've seen on mine. Seems that saving/recalling a preset on EDP slave that matches the master is the best way to insure they're set for perfect stereo operation. if i recall correctly (and there's a good chance i don't), you can connect them via midi and set the params on the master, which will in turn select them in the slave. for example, if you're in param X and slave differs from master, then you can adjust slave to match and continue on with the programming. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3EA47.225EC680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well that’s what I just = reported. It doesn’t match automatically unless they both START at the same = setting. Incrementing a param on the master increments on the slave but doesn’t match it automatically. Unless I was hallucinating, or I have a deviant = 2nd EDP, that’s what I’ve seen on mine.  

 

Seems that saving/recalling a = preset on EDP slave that matches the master is the best way to insure = they’re set for perfect stereo operation.

 

 

if i recall correctly (and there's a good chance i don't), you = can connect them via midi and set the params on the master, which will in turn = select them in the slave.  for example, if you're in param X and slave differs = from master, then you can adjust slave to match and continue on with the programming. 

 

-jim

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3EA47.225EC680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 14:54:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13JmHr00882; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:48:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:48:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:48:14 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters thread-index: AcPqimO8yMX0BOlyRQWR0lnDIxAYIAAA7Fsw From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2004 19:48:14.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9922A10:01C3EA8E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i13JmGc00856 Resent-Message-ID: <8dO2jC.A.rN.Bs_HAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are correct that it doesn't match it automatically. But if you match them once and make it a point to always use the master for changes, you shouldn't have to worry about it. That is, unless you make it a point to mess with the slave separately. Then yes, storing off a "starting point" preset in both units would be a good way to make sure you start matched. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:16 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters > > Well that's what I just reported. It doesn't match automatically > unless they both START at the same setting. Incrementing a param > on the master increments on the slave but doesn't match it > automatically. Unless I was hallucinating, or I have a deviant > 2nd EDP, that's what I've seen on mine. > > Seems that saving/recalling a preset on EDP slave that matches > the master is the best way to insure they're set for perfect > stereo operation. > > > if i recall correctly (and there's a good chance i don't), you > > can connect them via midi and set the params on the master, > > which will in turn select them in the slave. for example, > > if you're in param X and slave differs from master, then you > > can adjust slave to match and continue on with the programming. > > > > -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 15:09:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13K4Kv03087; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:04:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:04:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c3ea90$8ab95da0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <000001c3ea84$556c7620$6401a8c0@neil> Subject: Re: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:01:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have been looping with 2 EDPs in stereo, and want to make sure that > each unit has the same parameter settings. What is the best way to go > about this? > > I have the brother sync cable attached, and midi out from EDP1 to EDP2. > I notice that changing a parameter from #1 will change the same > parameter on #2, incrementally, so if #2 starts at a different setting > it will not change to match #1, so it is necessary to manually adjust > the #2 parameter to match #1. > > I'm getting this straightened out by manually changing #2 to match #1, > but still am getting some unexpected behaviour: sometimes doing a > Multiply doesn't end on #2 along with #1. A happy mistake!! > I was getting some cool results by inadvertently having different > quantize settings on each unit. Nice, huh? > Hoping to elicit some wisdom and instruction here, including: > > What is the list of parameters that have to match to insure total stereo > connectivity? Can you send preset from #1 to #2 via midi? You just need Sync=Out on both units, and a Brother Sync cable to ensure sample-level accuracy (no phase problems). > What are cool ideas that people have found for deviating parameters on > #1 and #2, esp while operating as "stereo" (recording the same audio to > each EDP) I'm experimenting a lot with this lately. Right now, I'm in love with the effect I get with one EDP InsertMode set to Reverse and one set to 1/2 speed/full speed. Try all the combinations of InsertMode - fun stuff. Also different Quant settings in those scenarios are cool. > Footpedal programming: The best way to go from stereo operation to dual > mono (different midi channels) in a live setting. With my footcontroller (FCB1010) it's kinda clunky to do this. I have to use Notes to control the EDP. What I do is set the offset parameter on the 2nd EDP to 86, and then I have different patches on my footcontroller that can address each EDP separately. Unfortunately, there's no way to save the offset paramter as part of an EDP preset :( So, I have to do this manually from the front panel. Sucks. > Seems like there a lot of dual EDP owners who piped up here. Please > share your secrets! > > Neil > Hope some of that helps. Enjoy! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 16:34:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13LQlw14788; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:26:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:26:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:26:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Lafosse/Reynolds clinic From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200402010456.i114uEk07150@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3158670406_531173" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3158670406_531173 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable You=B9re so welcome alan. Pleasure was mine, in meeting you as well... T. On 1/31/04 10:56 PM, "Alan Kroeger" wrote: > Ah this was excelent thanks Todd for hosting the clinic (you are definate= ly > the host with the most) it was a pleasure meeting you all (Todd, Jesse, D= ave, > Harry, Lou, Scott, Chris & Andre (did I miss anyone?)) and will say Andre= is > amazing I was already impressed by your music but getting to pick your br= ain > and everyone else's was fabulous and quite fun. > =20 > Thanks > Alan Kroeger >=20 >=20 > Subject: Lafosse/Reynolds clinic >=20 > After Andre=B9s wonderful performance last nite, it=B9ll be great to get toge= ther. > Lou, Jesse, great to see you there, and paul sullivan was there as well a= nd > sends his regrets, which opens up a space. >=20 > So, this message is in two parts. What I need and What you need. >=20 > =20 > http://www.toddreynolds.com > http://www.ethelcentral.com >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --B_3158670406_531173 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Lafosse/Reynolds clinic You’re so welcom= e alan.  Pleasure was mine, in meeting you as well...

T.


On 1/31/04 10:56 PM, "Alan Kroeger" <nospam@developsolutions.c= om> wrote:

Ah this was excelent thanks Todd for hosting the clin= ic (you are definately the host with the most) it was a pleasure meeting you= all (Todd, Jesse, Dave, Harry, Lou, Scott, Chris & Andre (did I miss an= yone?)) and will say Andre is amazing I was already impressed by your music = but getting to pick your brain and everyone else's was fabulous and quite fu= n.
 
Thanks
Alan Kroeger

Subjec= t: Lafosse/Reynolds clinic

After Andre’s wonderful performance last nite, it’ll be great t= o get together.  Lou, Jesse, great to see you there, and paul sullivan = was there as well and sends his regrets, which opens up a space.

So, this message is in two parts.  What I need and What you need.
http://www.toddreynolds= .com
http://www.ethelcentral.com

 
<= BR>



--B_3158670406_531173-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 16:50:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13LgVK16607; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:42:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:42:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:42:52 -0500 Subject: Even More Slash.... From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i13LgVc16580 Resent-Message-ID: <001A0D.A.VDE.HXBIAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>What does Slash have to do with looping? really. Good point.... I guess it had as much to do as the original article on Gibson LPs did...?? For me - it's been a great discussion, because so far I've seen so many different sides of what people think... Which I greatly respect and i'll take to my next solo basement loopfest tonite..And I've seen [again...sigh] how musical sectarianism just WILL NEVER DIE... Most jazzbos think rock sucks... most bluegrass fans like their music entirely unplugged, most metalheads disdain ambient music, most loopers dis some of the music they 'liked' before they knew better..fusion fans look down their noses at anything 'simple'....and most classical fans hate the whole lot...!! OF COURSE I'm generalizing.. But I carefully used the word MOST - and I'm sorry but C'mon folks... How many Slash interviews have you read, really...?? It sounds (from what some have said) that you were not AT ALL interested in what GnR was doing... I wasn¹t a huge fan.. But I read my share of interviews and for sure - Slash - like anyone - would speak about guitarists he dug... And to attack him for ripping off Page etc....sheesh.... I guess NO ONE on this list EVER sounds at all like Frisell, Fripp, Belew, Eno, Schulze, Torn, Keller, Jaco, Brooks or any other well known musician who work with loops or sequences.......? I for one have NO PROBLEM with the fact that I'll be playing live or recording.. And say to my inner self.."gee - there's your Belew influence..." so what??? There's NO NEW MUSICAL MATERIAL.... Check out some Raymond Scott -- what really has been done NEW in electronic music since the late 50s.....?? Music is like genetics... No one EVER has new genes.. Yet we are all different. The basic material in all the music we ALL do has been here for a while -- the beauty, like genetics - is that we can all come up with some of the BILLIONS of possible combinations..... C'mon/ Let your hair down!! Slash played a couple fun songs -- Sometimes...we shouldn't let it mean more than that! He ROCKED.. They had some cool riffs.. Kids got pysched.. Jeez -- some kids may have even decided to BECOME MUSICIANS thanks to Slash.. Or even Britney !! Can we really be bummed about that?? We're all gonna die- why stress it!??! Anyway - here's my LOOPING RELATED tip (actually ,my whole post is).. GEAR ALERT... Musicians friend is blowing out the ALESIS effects units ($49.95!!!) from 2002.. Remember the BITRMAN...PHILTRE....METAVOX etc??? These are bitchin soundin' effects... They came out at $150 or more.. And are great interactive little toys...search 'bitrman' or 'metavox' or 'philtre' Here's the metavox; http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040203124629067072144124267533/g=hom e/search/detail/base_pid/182527/ I tried the bitrman...brilliant!! Compression, distortion, a dual phasor, and some cheezy ring mod, frequency mod and shift, and my fave - a 'bit reducer' that shreds your sound down to garbage.... Useful on drums etc. I dunno - I know there's software out there that does all this - I try to look for this oddball cheapskate stuff... Hey it's fifty bucks!! LOOPS AWEIGH!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 17:22:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13MEkb20840; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:14:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:14:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:13:46 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c3eaa2$ff4cca50$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006201c3ea90$8ab95da0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Doug. > You just need Sync=Out on both units, and a Brother Sync cable to ensure > sample-level accuracy (no phase problems). I'm talking about Parameters on the EDP. I suppose every Param has to be the same to have total parity. In a way its kind of fun to experiment with every param to hear the "significance" of what results. > I'm experimenting a lot with this lately. Right now, I'm in love with the > effect I get with one EDP InsertMode set to Reverse and one set to 1/2 > speed/full speed. Try all the combinations of InsertMode - fun stuff. > Also > different Quant settings in those scenarios are cool. Great way to get polyrhythms. I tried having one set to Quantize=Cycle and the other at 8th (varying the 8th value too) and am amazed at the richness of happy accidents. > With my footcontroller (FCB1010) it's kinda clunky to do this. I have to > use Notes to control the EDP. What I do is set the offset parameter on > the > 2nd EDP to 86, and then I have different patches on my footcontroller that > can address each EDP separately. Unfortunately, there's no way to save > the > offset paramter as part of an EDP preset :( So, I have to do this > manually > from the front panel. Sucks. I'm using the PMC, which does offer advantages. I haven't had the patience to design a flow chart for arranging patches, for dual mono EDP use, then got detoured by just using it Stereo, as we've been discussing. Your technique of changing the offset sounds interesting, but not much improvement of what I was doing before, changing the channel on the faceplate. I think a patch which duplicates the manual keypresses to change the channel (and back again) is in order, and I think the PMC10 could do it, but each keypress only INCREMENTS the channel value so it would take like 15 virtual presses to get from say 8 back to 7 again. There's gotta be a simple workaround, that could change from dual mono to stereo via midi without touching the EDP. Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 17:31:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13MNo622398; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:23:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:23:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Lehman" To: Subject: RE: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:23:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000001c3eaa2$ff4cca50$6401a8c0@neil> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 thread-index: AcPqo4sNKqA/QrdQTQCCx/MNF4NqSQAAJmWw Message-Id: <20040203222342.YMBU5698.fed1mtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@comcast.net] I think a patch which duplicates the manual keypresses to change the channel (and back again) is in order, and I think the PMC10 could do it, but each keypress only INCREMENTS the channel value so it would take like 15 virtual presses to get from say 8 back to 7 again. Note on with no note off is read as a long press--resets channel to 1. Hey, try it! Relay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 18:05:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13Mujw26441; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:56:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:56:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:55:42 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c3eaa8$dac73700$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20040203222342.YMBU5698.fed1mtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Gary This is helpful to know. But when the 2 EDP are on the same channel (stereo) they're both going to be changing channels together, so you can't have them be different until one or the other is set to different channels anyways. Still hoping lightning strikes (I'm beginning to think this may be a facility for the next EDP upgrade)! I'm beginning to think this is just the way it is and touching the EDP is required. > -----Original Message----- > From: Clayton Lehman [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:24 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters > > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@comcast.net] > > > I think a patch which duplicates the manual keypresses to change the > channel > (and back again) is in order, and I think the PMC10 could do it, but each > keypress only INCREMENTS the channel value so it would take like 15 > virtual > presses to get from say 8 back to 7 again. > > Note on with no note off is read as a long press--resets channel to 1. > Hey, try it! > Relay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 18:23:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13NGV828996; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:16:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:16:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: How to match parameters on two EDPs Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:16:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000001c3eaa8$dac73700$6401a8c0@neil> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 thread-index: AcPqqgB8WOKinC62SaGA0qkax2+yRgAANUyQ Message-Id: <20040203231624.XTFL11482.fed1mtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <468f1D.A.7EH.PvCIAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about sysx? That should work--'course, I haven't done it--but I think Claude Voit wrote an editor http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200307/msg00081.html That should let you do it that way. Best, Relay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 18:37:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13NVuX31154; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:31:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:31:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040203233150.83870.qmail@web80203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:31:50 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: RE: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000201c3ea8a$30807fe0$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-534645304-1075851110=:83653" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-534645304-1075851110=:83653 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It doesn’t match automatically unless they both START at the same setting. Incrementing a param on the master increments on the slave but doesn’t match it automatically. Unless I was hallucinating, or I have a deviant 2nd EDP, that’s what I’ve seen on mine. --that's correct...and that's what i meant by scrolling through the params on the master and if there's any disagreement between the two, you then make the appropriate adjustments on the slave. now the two should be in tandem. -jim --0-534645304-1075851110=:83653 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

It doesn’t match automatically unless they both START at the same setting. Incrementing a param on the master increments on the slave but doesn’t match it automatically. Unless I was hallucinating, or I have a deviant 2nd EDP, that’s what I’ve seen on mine.  

--that's correct...and that's what i meant by scrolling through the params on the master and if there's any disagreement between the two, you then make the appropriate adjustments on the slave.  now the two should be in tandem.

-jim

--0-534645304-1075851110=:83653-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 18:41:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i13NaoA31843; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:36:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:36:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040203233644.25868.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:36:44 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: RE: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c3eaa2$ff4cca50$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2122330455-1075851404=:23427" Resent-Message-ID: <3ogdyD.A.ZxH.SCDIAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2122330455-1075851404=:23427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "There's gotta be a simple workaround, that could change from dual mono to stereo via midi without touching the EDP." there is...and it all has to do with the foot controller. set each to a different channel, say 1 and 2. program your controller to send identical messages on 1 and 2 simultaneously. edp1 will accept ch. 1 messages and pass ch. 2 (i think...if not, split your midi cable to both units.) this will allow for stereo operation. do the same, but have the presets for edp1 and edp2 seperately. now they should function fairly independently. this is all just in my head though...never actually tried it, so it may not work. -jim --0-2122330455-1075851404=:23427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

"There's gotta be a simple workaround, that could change from dual mono to stereo via midi without touching the EDP."

there is...and it all has to do with the foot controller.  set each to a different channel, say 1 and 2.  program your controller to send identical messages on 1 and 2 simultaneously.  edp1 will accept ch. 1 messages and pass ch. 2 (i think...if not, split your midi cable to both units.)  this will allow for stereo operation.  do the same, but have the presets for edp1 and edp2 seperately.  now they should function fairly independently.

this is all just in my head though...never actually tried it, so it may not work.

-jim

--0-2122330455-1075851404=:23427-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 19:20:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i140Axp04375; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:10:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:10:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:09:57 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3eab3$3a2fc2c0$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3EA70.2C0C82C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20040203233644.25868.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3EA70.2C0C82C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hear you, I have already done this. I use 5 banks in my PMC set for one EDP and duplicated them for the second EDP. I was hoping to finess this using a few banks to control both, with a couple patches to switch from stereo to dual mono. I think Sysex is what's going to do this. A different ID # on each EDP What is the sysex string that I'd need to put into the PMC to switch channels back and forth? Say changing from Ch 6 to 7 Then changing back from 7 to 6 Neil -----Original Message----- From: JAMES FOWLER, III [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters "There's gotta be a simple workaround, that could change from dual mono to stereo via midi without touching the EDP." there is...and it all has to do with the foot controller. set each to a different channel, say 1 and 2. program your controller to send identical messages on 1 and 2 simultaneously. edp1 will accept ch. 1 messages and pass ch. 2 (i think...if not, split your midi cable to both units.) this will allow for stereo operation. do the same, but have the presets for edp1 and edp2 seperately. now they should function fairly independently. this is all just in my head though...never actually tried it, so it may not work. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3EA70.2C0C82C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I hear you, I have already done = this. I use 5 banks in my PMC set for one EDP and duplicated them for the second = EDP.  

 

I was hoping to finess this using a = few banks to control both, with a couple patches to switch from stereo to = dual mono.

 

I think Sysex is what’s going = to do this. A different ID # on each EDP

 

What is the sysex string that = I’d need to put into the PMC to switch channels back and = forth?

 

Say changing from Ch 6 to = 7

Then changing back from 7 to = 6

 

Neil

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: JAMES FOWLER, III [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February = 03, 2004 3:37 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: 2 EDP in = stereo: how to match parameters

 

"There's gotta be a simple workaround, that could change from dual mono to stereo = via midi without touching the EDP."

there is...and it all has to do with the foot controller.  set each to a different channel, say 1 and 2.  program your controller to send = identical messages on 1 and 2 simultaneously.  edp1 will accept ch. 1 = messages and pass ch. 2 (i think...if not, split your midi cable to both = units.)  this will allow for stereo operation.  do the same, but have the presets = for edp1 and edp2 seperately.  now they should function fairly = independently.

this is all just in my head though...never actually tried it, so it may not = work.

-jim

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3EA70.2C0C82C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 19:41:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i140ZRo06915; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:35:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:35:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: How to match parameters on two EDPs Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:34:25 -0800 Message-ID: <001501c3eab6$a4f4f410$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20040203231624.XTFL11482.fed1mtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Sound Diver editor you're talking about is to control the EDP on the computer via sysex. I'm looking to get the right Sysex into my controller to make it switch back and forth for midi channels. I think if someone would walk us through putting sysex strings into the PMC that would be the way to do it. I looked at the sysex documentation in the Loop IV manual, but can't figure out how to change the channels via sysex. Could one of you programmers spell out the appropriate strings with the correct syntax so we could input this into our midi controllers? Thanks Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:16 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: How to match parameters on two EDPs > > How about sysx? That should work--'course, I haven't done it--but I think > Claude Voit wrote an editor > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200307/msg00081.html > That should let you do it that way. > Best, > Relay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 3 23:34:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i144Riv31250; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:27:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:27:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040203202506.04ce2708@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:29:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 2 EDP in stereo: how to match parameters In-Reply-To: <000001c3ea84$556c7620$6401a8c0@neil> References: <20040129200726.SNED9070.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <000001c3ea84$556c7620$6401a8c0@neil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:34 AM 2/3/2004, Neil Goldstein wrote: >I have been looping with 2 EDPs in stereo, and want to make sure that >each unit has the same parameter settings. What is the best way to go >about this? when you edit presets, a long press of the button puts it to the default value. Do this first, then all units will be the same and you can edit from there. This is also a good way to edit parameters without actually looking at the display. or similarly, having a sequencer blindly edit parameters. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 04:52:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i149iUc28409; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 04:44:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 04:44:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se Message-Id: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:47:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Wells Subject: my soundclick page... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com High; Just a quick update here. The tracks on my soundclick page (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/jairrohmparkerwellsmusic.htm) are now available as free downloads. There will soon be a site where the cd can be purchased also. I would really appreciate feedback on my tracks. This is my "Loopadelica" cd. "Loopadelica" is a method of improvising with looping devices. I warn you: this is not pretty. Beautiful, exquisite, yes. Certainly not "pretty". The entire cd was produced using the DPS12i. From tracking to mastering. The only outboard was my Ultradyne and the RFX2000. I'm sure that my material isn't everyone's cup of tea. Just the same, for those of you who do appreciate "noise" and "experimental" music please surf on in. Thanks; Jair-Rohm -- Jair-Rohm Parker Wells Doer Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home" http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm Phone: +46 708 940893 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 10:14:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i14EuA429719; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:56:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:56:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c3eb2f$014f9990$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <001501c3eab6$a4f4f410$6401a8c0@neil> Subject: Re: How to match parameters on two EDPs Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:54:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <9yO4mC.A.QQH.KgQIAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > The Sound Diver editor you're talking about is to control the EDP on the > computer via sysex. I'm looking to get the right Sysex into my > controller to make it switch back and forth for midi channels. in sounddiver there is a midi monitor where you can see what message the edp editor spits to the edp (individual param messages for the edp pset edit buffer only; global params are sent as one dump) F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 11 02 01 7F ch F7 this should change the channel where ch 1=$00, Ch2=$01, et BUT this changes channels to both edps if you want to change ch on only the slave you must set it to a different device id manually (check the manual) so that the message only go to one of the pair F0 00 01 30 0B xx 01 11 02 01 7F ch F7 xx is device id, id 01=$01, id 02=$02 etc.... but frankly you're looking for trouble when asking for complicated stuff without really studying midi and the manual for a while IMHO advanced stuff is for advanced users that can debug it themselves.... Good luck Claude > I think if someone would walk us through putting sysex strings into the > PMC that would be the way to do it. I looked at the sysex documentation > in the Loop IV manual, but can't figure out how to change the channels > via sysex. Could one of you programmers spell out the appropriate > strings with the correct syntax so we could input this into our midi > controllers? > > Thanks > > > Neil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:16 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: How to match parameters on two EDPs > > > > How about sysx? That should work--'course, I haven't done it--but I > think > > Claude Voit wrote an editor > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200307/msg00081.html > > That should let you do it that way. > > Best, > > Relay > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 12:33:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i14HQPq20794; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:26:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:26:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: How to match parameters on two EDPs Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:25:17 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c3eb43$dc4436a0$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001601c3eb2f$014f9990$0100a8c0@mini> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Claude! This is the ONLY sysex I want to mess with, but is exactly what I was looking for! With a couple of patches to switch units to the same midi channel AND/OR different midi channels, live footpedal midi can switch between dual mono and stereo use, where the same PMC10 banks can control both or either EDP with an economy of effort/patches. Very cool! Thanks for the reminder about SoundDiver's monitor as a way of seeing the syntax of parameter changes... Neil > in sounddiver there is a midi monitor where you can see what message the > edp > editor spits to the edp (individual param messages for the edp pset edit > buffer only; global params are sent as one dump) > > F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 11 02 01 7F ch F7 this should change the channel > where > ch 1=$00, Ch2=$01, et > > BUT this changes channels to both edps > > if you want to change ch on only the slave you must set it to a different > device id manually (check the manual) so that the message only go to one > of > the pair > > > F0 00 01 30 0B xx 01 11 02 01 7F ch F7 > > xx is device id, id 01=$01, id 02=$02 etc.... > > but frankly you're looking for trouble when asking for complicated stuff > without really studying midi and the manual for a while > IMHO advanced stuff is for advanced users that can debug it themselves.... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 13:06:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i14HvCF26852; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:57:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:57:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 12:58:16 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... To: Andre Cholmondeley , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007901c3eb48$7d85cfc0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The first time I heard G'nR, I thought they had TWO vocalists. I figured no one person could have that range. And I had to *practice* to play "Sweet Child o'Mine" flawlessly at the drop of a (top) hat. And I'm a half-century-old serious guitarist who does the deep theory thing AND who tries to steal from my foreartists. I dig Andre's flow. And thanx for the tip on the Alesis blowout! Two cents from Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 14:02:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i14ImrS04972; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:48:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:48:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Ken Hawkins Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:48:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i14Imqc04943 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here's my 2 er 1-1/2 cents. diconect all midi interafces from the machine and reset the machine to it's default state e.g. no threshold on record, sustain record not turned on, etc. i experienced close to the kind of behavior you have gong on and actually i found out that when monky'en around with some midi rerouting i fu...g'd something up. when i turned on my apple to record it would send all kinds of stuff through the unitor interface, between other midi machines and poof my recoding button seemed to have a life of its own. just a thought before you go tearing through the hardware and soldering. good luck, ken; On Jan 29, 2004, at 3:15 PM, Dani Oore wrote: > > thanks Ted, Steve, Andre, Dave. > > i'll look into, and prob buy, the mouser electronics bag of switches, > and work on my soldering skills. i'll let you know how it goes. > > best, > danny > > > > > >> From: ArsOcarina@aol.com >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? >> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:29:24 EST >> >> Dani, >> >> In a message dated 1/29/04 8:05:15 AM, danioore@hotmail.com writes: >> >> >pressing record takes me into 'parameter' select mode or switches >> >to next loop and starts recording or some other mode, and if/when >> >i manage to reset by long pressing record, it usually stubbornly >> resets >> >to "2.00" or "2.25" seconds -or some number other than empty loop. >> >other buttons become equally disfunctional in these cases, and >> turning >> >the echoplex off, global reset does not always solve the problem. >> >> I'll pipe in here with my 2 cents. The symptoms you describe sound to >> me >> like the "record" switch has gone bad (intermittently getting stuck) >> on the >> EFC-7. For me this has been the typical problem when a switch fails >> -- and >> more often than not it IS the "record" switch since that's the one you >> hit most. >> >> These parts are cheap and none-too-sturdy. However, they are nice and >> quiet -- no loud "clicks" when they're depressed like those sturdier >> metal >> footswitches common on many other effects. Replacements are easily >> obtained from Mouser Electronic Supply. For something like $17.00 you >> can buy a bulk bag of 'em that will be a lifetime supply. >> >> I've had my EDPs since the mid '90s and with semi-continual use (and >> heavy >> feet) these things break every so often. I'm glad I bought the big >> bag. >> Anyone who is even halfway competent with a soldering iron can replace >> these switches in just a few minutes. It's not hard at all. In fact, >> I'll go >> a little further . . . any musician who uses electricity owes it to >> themselves >> to learn basic soldering skills. It'll save you time, money and no >> end of >> grief in the long run. >> >> Anywho the part number is availble on the LD website somewhere. >> Check it out. >> >> Best, >> >> tEd ® kiLLiAn >> >> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >> http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en- > ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgma > rket%3den-ca > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 14:10:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i14IwRM06483; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:58:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:58:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 13:59:10 -0500 Subject: Yamaha UD stomp From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Any UD stomp users out there?? I hear this is a pretty cool unit for modulation delay and a simple loop. My Line 6 MM has a weird erratic noise/explosion problem. Any thoughts on either?? PLs Email me offlist if this has been beaten to death recently. Thanks, andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 14:27:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i14JMoW11169; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:22:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:22:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001601c3eb2f$014f9990$0100a8c0@mini> References: <001601c3eb2f$014f9990$0100a8c0@mini> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:22:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andrew Hearst Subject: good deal on a used EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted to alert the list to the fact that Manhattan's Two Lines Music has a used EDP + matching pedalboard for sale for $600, which seems like a good deal to me. The unit is cream-colored and looks in pretty good shape, but I don't know anything else about it (software version, etc.). If you want to investigate, the number for Two Lines is 212.227.9552 (or at least it was the last time I checked). The store is on the east side of Broadway a few blocks south of Canal. Andrew Hearst From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 14:32:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i14JFIh09524; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:15:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:15:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Alesis Blowout (was Even More Slash....) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:15:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3EB53.38AE5D30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EB53.38AE5D30 Content-Type: text/plain Anyone have some good sound clips of the Bitrman pedal? DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] >>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:58 PM >>To: Andre Cholmondeley; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... >> >>The first time I heard G'nR, I thought they had TWO >>vocalists. I figured no one person could have that range. And >>I had to *practice* to play "Sweet Child o'Mine" flawlessly >>at the drop of a (top) hat. And I'm a half-century-old >>serious guitarist who does the deep theory thing AND who >>tries to steal from my foreartists. I dig Andre's flow. And >>thanx for the tip on the Alesis blowout! >>Two cents from >>Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >>coyotelk@optonline.net >> >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EB53.38AE5D30 Content-Type: text/html Alesis Blowout (was Even More Slash....)

Anyone have some good sound clips of the Bitrman pedal?

DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net]
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:58 PM
>>To: Andre Cholmondeley; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: Even More Slash....
>>
>>The first time I heard G'nR, I thought they had TWO
>>vocalists. I figured no one person could have that range. And
>>I had to *practice* to play "Sweet Child o'Mine" flawlessly
>>at the drop of a (top) hat. And I'm a half-century-old
>>serious guitarist who does the deep theory thing AND who
>>tries to steal from my foreartists. I dig Andre's flow. And
>>thanx for the tip on the Alesis blowout!
>>Two cents from
>>Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
>>coyotelk@optonline.net
>>
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EB53.38AE5D30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 14:47:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i14Jan014184; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:36:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:36:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:23:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: MMT-8 was Re: Alesis Blowout (was Even More Slash....) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Reminds me. What should I be willing to pay for an MMT-8, and is there any[lace but ebay I should be looking,. At 2:15 PM -0500 2/4/04, Don Makoviney wrote: >Anyone have some good sound clips of the Bitrman pedal? > >DM > > >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Douglas Baldwin >>>[mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] >>>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:58 PM >>>To: Andre Cholmondeley; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... >>> >>>The first time I heard G'nR, I thought they had TWO >>>vocalists. I figured no one person could have that range. And >>>I had to *practice* to play "Sweet Child o'Mine" flawlessly >>>at the drop of a (top) hat. And I'm a half-century-old >>>serious guitarist who does the deep theory thing AND who >>>tries to steal from my foreartists. I dig Andre's flow. And >>>thanx for the tip on the Alesis blowout! >>>Two cents from >>>Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >>>coyotelk@optonline.net >>> >>> -- "Any universe simple enough to be understood is too simple to produce a mind able to understand it" -- John D. Barrow This conjecture strikes me as a logical extension of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 14:57:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i14JgKH15969; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:42:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:42:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:41:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:42 PM -0500 2/3/04, Andre Cholmondeley wrote: >C'mon folks... How many Slash interviews have you read, really...?? None. >Check out some Raymond Scott Some pretty silly shit. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 14:57:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i14JeRK15266; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:40:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:40:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040204194020.4633.qmail@web80206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:40:20 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: good deal on a used EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-45419615-1075923620=:1793" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-45419615-1075923620=:1793 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii be VERY clear when ordering from two lines. i bought a roland jv1080 from them and it went to indiana first, then to florida, and finally to me in mississippi. some crap about messing up the zip code. -jim --0-45419615-1075923620=:1793 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

be VERY clear when ordering from two lines.  i bought a roland jv1080 from them and it went to indiana first, then to florida, and finally to me in mississippi.  some crap about messing up the zip code.

-jim

--0-45419615-1075923620=:1793-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 15:39:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i14KWbo26251; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:32:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:32:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c3eb5e$21f71540$a19f5142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <007901c3eb48$7d85cfc0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:33:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Crazy, but more than 75% of my guitar students ask me to teach them 'Welcome To The Jungle', and usually Sweet Child follows. They're both fun rock songs, and get a boatload of players motivated to work on their articulation and tone. At least half of my students are also in theory and deeper musical issues as well. At some point I fire up a looper or two and they're usually totally stoked, and want a wack at it. -Miko "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ICS Santa Cruz X-Ray Lodge! http://www.powerhat.com/ics ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: "Andre Cholmondeley" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... > The first time I heard G'nR, I thought they had TWO vocalists. I figured no > one person could have that range. And I had to *practice* to play "Sweet > Child o'Mine" flawlessly at the drop of a (top) hat. And I'm a > half-century-old serious guitarist who does the deep theory thing AND who > tries to steal from my foreartists. I dig Andre's flow. And thanx for the > tip on the Alesis blowout! > Two cents from > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 16:34:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i14LC4K01159; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:12:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:12:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40216060.3070408@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:13:04 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Public music beta testing - preview of upcoming CD release References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9PD2sD.A.9R.kAWIAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen wrote:
I would like to invite anyone interested in ambient live electronica/looping
to listen to the upcoming CD with per2per. When we played at a festival this
summer they recorded us to DAT. We are quite happy with the recording and
plan to release it on CD. But we really don't know how to market the beast
since it is 55:56 long. If it's not "a single album" it might be "an album
single".... or what? And is there a relevant "musical style" to file it
under? We're open for suggestions.
Hi Per,

I have 56k dialup and no time for downloading so I can't comment on your song.  But in your first sentence, you called it ambient so why are you looking for a style name?  Marketing a CD is the hardest part of being a musician if you're marketing it yourself.  Or you could shop it to record labels.  Have you tried Groove, Hypnos, Space for Music, or any of the others?

Cheers,

Bill Fox


From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 16:37:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i14LVp405202; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:31:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:31:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Public music beta testing - preview of upcoming CD release Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:31:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <40216060.3070408@soundscapes.us> Thread-Index: AcPrZLhusjSKeQGyQWSA6pKHQxL8HAAAOCug Message-Id: <20040204213144.NFBM29509.fed1mtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <337FFD.A.KRB.HTWIAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill Fox commented on Per Boysen's request for comments on his song. "But in your first sentence, you called it ambient so why are you looking for a style name? Marketing a CD is the hardest part of being a musician if you're marketing it yourself. Or you could shop it to record labels. Have you tried Groove, Hypnos, Space for Music, or any of the others?" -----> I caught Bill with Greg Waltzer and several others at Arcosanti--"space music" is a pretty good term for this stuff--too attention grabbing to call ambient, I think (but I'm no expert on this stuff--60's rock, really). Drones, pads, etc . . . Calling all aliens . . . Relay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 18:05:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i14N1MM23463; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:01:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:01:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Williamson Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:00:57 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 4, 2004, at 1:41 PM, asterion@hell.com wrote: > At 4:42 PM -0500 2/3/04, Andre Cholmondeley wrote: >> Check out some Raymond Scott > Some pretty silly shit. ah, you must be thinking of his jazz ensemble music. have you heard his electronic stuff? btw, the only thing i would take issue with in Andre's excellent post would be that nothing _truly_ new has been done in electronic music since the seventies, not the 50s. i believe that Tangerine Dream's application of improvisational sequencing (and Giorgio Moroder's parallel discoveries of both Acid House and Diva House in 1975) is significant enough to push that number forward by 20. but yes, one of my favourite realities of music in the year 2004 is that there is truly nothing new, as our musical opportunities are limited by the overtone series of western instruments. all that is left is to discover what is _good_. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 19:24:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i150Iem06988; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:18:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:18:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c3eb7d$4d2add40$5f23de40@htgds01> From: "vze6n8vs" To: Subject: Tascam Pocketstudio and Repeater? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:16:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3EB53.63C56680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [64.222.35.95] at Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:18:38 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <3pFyaD.A.EtB.fvYIAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3EB53.63C56680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was wondering if anybody knows if the CFC media used for storing audio = loops on the Repeater could be directly used with the Tascam = Pocketstudio, which also uses CFCs? It's a long shot, but I figure both = of them have 4 primary tracks, both have some looping capabilities, = etc.; does anyone know if it's possible to transfer loops from the = Repeater to the Pocketstudio directly, via CFCs? Thanks, Ryan ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3EB53.63C56680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was wondering if anybody knows if the CFC media used for storing = audio=20 loops on the Repeater could be directly used with the Tascam = Pocketstudio, which=20 also uses CFCs?  It's a long shot, but I figure both of them have 4 = primary=20 tracks, both have some looping capabilities, etc.; does anyone know if = it's=20 possible to transfer loops from the Repeater to the Pocketstudio = directly, via=20 CFCs?
 
Thanks,
Ryan
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3EB53.63C56680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 19:33:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i150SJZ09204; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:28:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:28:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40218E23.5000309@biink.com> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:28:19 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric Williamson wrote: > but yes, one of my favourite realities of music in the year 2004 is > that there is truly nothing new, as our musical opportunities are > limited by the overtone series of western instruments. Care to elaborate on that statement? Why limited? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 19:44:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i150cL811603; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:38:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:38:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Mmrksrg@aol.com Message-ID: <29.5066b2c0.2d52ea78@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:38:16 EST Subject: Re: MMT-8 was Re: Alesis Blowout (was Even More Slash....) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_29.5066b2c0.2d52ea78_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 540 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_29.5066b2c0.2d52ea78_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Emile what ever you do regarding price of an MMT-8 is check the condition of the buttons. This is the machine weakest point other than having no on board data backup other than to an external device. They can become very unstable with use. Great device though. Would work very well triggerring visual sequences via midi in Vjam etc. Mark Sargeant --part1_29.5066b2c0.2d52ea78_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Emile what ever you do regarding pr= ice of an MMT-8 is check the condition of the  buttons. This is the mac= hine weakest point other than having no on board data backup other than to a= n external device. They can become very unstable with use. Great  devic= e though. Would work very well triggerring visual sequences via midi in Vjam= etc.

Mark Sargeant --part1_29.5066b2c0.2d52ea78_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 20:22:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i151Gv719696; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:16:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:16:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:18:00 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: space music retreat To: the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com, ambient@hyperreal.org, spacemusic@yahoogroups.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, analogue@hyperreal.org, oddmusic@yahoogroups.com, Philadelphia Ambient Consortium Message-id: <402199C8.4010000@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SYNAPTIC CONFLUENCE space music retreat May 3-7 2004 Sky Lake Lodge, Rosendale NY There will be a retreat for electronic musicians at a secluded lodge in the Catskills of NY state. Anyone who is interested in sharing 4 days of space, ambient, electronic and experimental music is invited to participate. Musical activities will include individual performances, group improvisations, and collaborations. This is a great opportunity to develop creative ideas and broaden your musical community, while relaxing in a peaceful, natural setting. Non-musicians are also welcome. The registration fee of $320 will cover 4 nights lodging and 3 meals per day. Details are available here: http://spacemusic.us We are also planning a one day space music festival in Philadelphia, on the Sunday after the retreat (May 9). Priority for performances at the festival will be given to those traveling longer distances to the retreat, and collaborations formed there. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 21:41:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i152ZUN04003; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:35:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:35:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <29.5066b2c0.2d52ea78@aol.com> References: <29.5066b2c0.2d52ea78@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:35:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: MMT-8 was Re: Alesis Blowout (was Even More Slash....) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:38 PM -0500 2/4/04, Mmrksrg@aol.com wrote: >Emile what ever you do regarding price of an MMT-8 is check the >condition of the buttons. This is the machine weakest point other >than having no on board data backup other than to an external >device. They can become very unstable with use. Great device >though. Would work very well triggerring visual sequences via midi >in Vjam etc. Planing to use it with a V4 video mixer actually, > >Mark Sargeant Thanks -- I'll keep that in mind, though if I buy it on line I have to trust the seller to answer my questions honestly. -- "Any universe simple enough to be understood is too simple to produce a mind able to understand it" -- John D. Barrow This conjecture strikes me as a logical extension of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 23:40:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i154bJM29547; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:37:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:37:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Subject: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:37:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040205043712.FXYR11898.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Looking at the Aurisis site it says standard delivery for the Loop IV update is 2-3 weeks for standard USPS delivery. This seems like a nutty long amount of time for this. It also says express delivery is within a week via Fedex, but it's $30. That's a nutty price for standard Fedex delivery. What gives? Is it really that long to get a couple of chips and a manual? I hate to wait 3 weeks for this, but I also hate to pay $30 for a Fedex Letter too! Any alternatives? Thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 4 23:51:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i154mpx32188; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:48:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:48:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040205043712.FXYR11898.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040205043712.FXYR11898.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:48:12 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It also says express delivery is within a week via Fedex, but it's >$30. That's a nutty price for standard Fedex delivery. Our standard Fedex rate (for overnight) is $26 and change. Fedex gives different rates to different companies based on how much business they do. So that may explain the increased rate. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 00:03:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i154xNC02224; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:59:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:59:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018a01c3ebb5$de409c10$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20040205043712.FXYR11898.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Subject: Re: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:01:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This very small "company" doesn't have a ton of orders coming in for this rather obscure product, so they can't take time out to run to the post office every day is what I'm guessing. Be patient and read the manual in your lame-duck period (ooo -- hahahah, I am so fucking funny). You'll be glad you had three weeks of prep. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:37 PM Subject: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? > Hi all, > > Looking at the Aurisis site it says standard delivery for the Loop IV update is 2-3 weeks for standard USPS delivery. This seems like a nutty long amount of time for this. It also says express delivery is within a week via Fedex, but it's $30. That's a nutty price for standard Fedex delivery. > > What gives? Is it really that long to get a couple of chips and a manual? > > I hate to wait 3 weeks for this, but I also hate to pay $30 for a Fedex Letter too! > > Any alternatives? > > Thanks, > > Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 00:21:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i155HgO06384; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:17:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:17:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 0:17:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040205051735.YCKL27240.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" > Date: 2004/02/05 Thu AM 02:01:22 EST > To: > Subject: Re: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? > > This very small "company" doesn't have a ton of orders coming in for this > rather obscure product, so they can't take time out to run to the post > office every day is what I'm guessing. > > Be patient and read the manual in your lame-duck period (ooo -- hahahah, I > am so fucking funny). You'll be glad you had three weeks of prep. Sure, it will be good to read the manual, and I've downloaded the LoopIV manual already, which is how I figured out that exactly what I need is in LoopIV. I'm sycing the EDP to the MIDI clock on my Emu PX7, and I'm having a heck of a time getting the drum pattern and recording EDP loops to cooperate. I think it's the oddball quantize behavior of LoopIII. All the other features may or may not matter for my application. Paul > > -J > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:37 PM > Subject: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? > > > > Hi all, > > > > Looking at the Aurisis site it says standard delivery for the Loop IV > update is 2-3 weeks for standard USPS delivery. This seems like a nutty long > amount of time for this. It also says express delivery is within a week via > Fedex, but it's $30. That's a nutty price for standard Fedex delivery. > > > > What gives? Is it really that long to get a couple of chips and a manual? > > > > I hate to wait 3 weeks for this, but I also hate to pay $30 for a Fedex > Letter too! > > > > Any alternatives? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 00:22:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i155KoU07111; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:20:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:20:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 0:20:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040205052044.QHZE8989.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Resent-Message-ID: <3yeJXB.A.8uB.yKdIAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > From: Jeff Shirkey > Date: 2004/02/04 Wed PM 11:48:12 EST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? > > > It also says express delivery is within a week via Fedex, but it's > >$30. That's a nutty price for standard Fedex delivery. > > Our standard Fedex rate (for overnight) is $26 and change. Fedex > gives different rates to different companies based on how much > business they do. So that may explain the increased rate. I don't have a problem with paying that rate for overnight if the update ships within a day or two of my order meaning I receive the update in 1-3 days. Is this the case, or is it more like a week, which is what the order page suggests? Thanks, Paul > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 01:04:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15616q16481; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 01:01:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 01:01:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040204215548.01623070@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:01:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Re: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? In-Reply-To: <20040205052044.QHZE8989.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.n et> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7xH8p.A.aBE.iwdIAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well... it's not likely that LOOP IV is sitting in a warehouse ready to ship. Also not likely that they like printing mailing labels and packing slips etc every time an order comes in. Probably done in batches - on the weekend after day job drudgery (not that burning images and mailing orders is any less drudgerific). At 09:20 PM 04/02/04, paul_sanders@adelphia.net wrote: > > Our standard Fedex rate (for overnight) is $26 and change. Fedex > > gives different rates to different companies based on how much > > business they do. So that may explain the increased rate. > >I don't have a problem with paying that rate for overnight if the update >ships within a day or two of my order meaning I receive the update in 1-3 >days. Is this the case, or is it more like a week, which is what the order >page suggests? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 02:00:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i156qld26768; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 01:52:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 01:52:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:52:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:00 PM -0600 2/4/04, Eric Williamson wrote: >On Feb 4, 2004, at 1:41 PM, asterion@hell.com wrote: >>At 4:42 PM -0500 2/3/04, Andre Cholmondeley wrote: >>>Check out some Raymond Scott >>Some pretty silly shit. > >ah, you must be thinking of his jazz ensemble music. > >have you heard his electronic stuff? If you refer to the two CDs in the Manhattan Research Inc. set and "Soothing Sounds for Baby" yes I have heard it. Some good sounds here and there, but mostly silly. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 03:01:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i157x9n00623; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 02:59:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 02:59:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040204235940.032c2310@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:00:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? In-Reply-To: <018a01c3ebb5$de409c10$0200a8c0@amd> References: <20040205043712.FXYR11898.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <018a01c3ebb5$de409c10$0200a8c0@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:01 PM 2/4/2004, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >This very small "company" doesn't have a ton of orders coming in for this >rather obscure product, so they can't take time out to run to the post >office every day is what I'm guessing. that's pretty much correct. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 03:06:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1583xs01090; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 03:03:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 03:03:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040205000123.032c2458@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:05:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? In-Reply-To: References: <20040205043712.FXYR11898.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:48 PM 2/4/2004, you wrote: >> It also says express delivery is within a week via Fedex, but it's $30. >> That's a nutty price for standard Fedex delivery. > >Our standard Fedex rate (for overnight) is $26 and change. Fedex gives >different rates to different companies based on how much business they do. >So that may explain the increased rate. That's about right. Sometimes fedex actually costs us more than $30, depending on where it is going. If it costs less, well that's my fee for going to the extra effort to print manuals, burn roms, print receipts, wait in line at fedex, etc etc. It's not really worth it actually. I just do it because I'm such a nice guy. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 06:07:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15AmYS15843; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 05:48:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 05:48:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:48:30 +0000 Subject: Re: Tascam Pocketstudio and Repeater? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-1034146635 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c3eb7d$4d2add40$5f23de40@htgds01> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-1034146635 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I don't own a pocketstudio, so I'm guessing here, but I think it's=20 highly unlikely. The Repeater directory structure and file formats seem=20= to be unique. The only way I've been able to export repeater tracks is=20= to 'flatten' the loops, then grab the wav files off the card using a=20 card reader. On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 12:16 am, vze6n8vs wrote: > I was wondering if anybody knows if the CFC media used for storing=20 > audio loops on the Repeater could be directly used with the Tascam=20 > Pocketstudio, which also uses CFCs?=A0 It's a long shot, but I figure=20= > both of them have 4 primary tracks, both have some looping=20 > capabilities, etc.; does anyone know if it's possible to transfer=20 > loops from the Repeater to the Pocketstudio directly, via CFCs? > =A0 > Thanks, > Ryan --Apple-Mail-2-1034146635 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't own a pocketstudio, so I'm guessing here, but I think it's highly unlikely. The Repeater directory structure and file formats seem to be unique. The only way I've been able to export repeater tracks is to 'flatten' the loops, then grab the wav files off the card using a card reader. On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 12:16 am, vze6n8vs wrote: I was wondering if anybody knows if the CFC media used for storing audio loops on the Repeater could be directly used with the Tascam Pocketstudio, which also uses CFCs?=A0 It's a long shot, but I figure both of them have 4 primary tracks, both have some looping capabilities, etc.; does anyone know if it's possible to transfer loops from the Repeater to the Pocketstudio directly, via CFCs? =A0 Thanks, Ryan = --Apple-Mail-2-1034146635-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 06:55:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15Bbww21937; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 06:37:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 06:37:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <000d01c3ebdb$e3decae0$d866fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <20040205043712.FXYR11898.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <6.0.1.1.2.20040205000123.032c2458@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:28:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about ordering two Loop IV upgrades for my two EDPs. Would i have to pay twice the shipping rate when I order them at the same time? Silly question, I know, but it´s been bothering me for a while. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? > At 08:48 PM 2/4/2004, you wrote: > >> It also says express delivery is within a week via Fedex, but it's $30. > >> That's a nutty price for standard Fedex delivery. > > > >Our standard Fedex rate (for overnight) is $26 and change. Fedex gives > >different rates to different companies based on how much business they do. > >So that may explain the increased rate. > > That's about right. Sometimes fedex actually costs us more than $30, > depending on where it is going. If it costs less, well that's my fee for > going to the extra effort to print manuals, burn roms, print receipts, wait > in line at fedex, etc etc. It's not really worth it actually. I just do it > because I'm such a nice guy. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 08:07:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15Cmgw28203; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:48:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:48:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: kekemarcel@ig.com.br Subject: Re: Public music beta testing - preview of upcoming CD release Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:48:22 -0200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <20040205_124822_035508.kekemarcel@ig.com.br> X-Originating-IP: [200.245.23.175] X-Mailer: InMail Insite [www.insite.com.br] - iGMail [www.ig.com.br] X-user: kekemarcel@ig.com.br MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Message-Boundary-by-Mail-Sender-1075985302" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Message-Boundary-by-Mail-Sender-1075985302 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-description: Mail message body Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Content-disposition: inline Hi, this is Marcel (a new looper from Brazil). Hey, Per, where can I hear your work (last year I remember I listened some of your stuff and reaaaaally liked it much!). Thanks! Marcel Em 04 Feb 2004, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com escreveu: >Per Boysen wrote: > > I would like to invite anyone interested in ambient live electronica/looping >to listen to the upcoming CD with per2per. When we played at a festival this >summer they recorded us to DAT. We are quite happy with the recording and >plan to release it on CD. But we really don't know how to market the beast >since it is 55:56 long. If it's not "a single album" it might be "an album >single".... or what? And is there a relevant "musical style" to file it >under? We're open for suggestions. > >Hi Per, > >I have 56k dialup and no time for downloading so I can't comment on >your song. But in your first sentence, you called it ambient so why >are you looking for a style name? Marketing a CD is the hardest part >of being a musician if you're marketing it yourself. Or you could shop >it to record labels. Have you tried Groove, Hypnos, Space for Music, >or any of the others? > >Cheers, > >Bill Fox > >---------- _________________________________________________________ Voce quer um iGMail protegido contra vírus e spams? Clique aqui: http://www.igmailseguro.ig.com.br --Message-Boundary-by-Mail-Sender-1075985302-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 09:12:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15DoMM02907; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:50:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:50:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What is good? was: Even more slash Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:50:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2004 13:50:13.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA603A20:01C3EBEE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >all that is left is to discover what is _good_. > >--- >Eric Williamson Ah ha. I love this question. What IS good? Any takers? Eric, I'm guessing, judging by your statement, that you see "good" as being somehow objective. Care to elaborate? An to those that might swing the other way and say that what's good is all relative, well how do you explain Ricky Martin?....... ok, just kidding, but surely you get my point. If it's all subjective, then everything is permitted, everything is good to someone. That makes me uncomfortable as well. Come on, a little musical philosophy won't hurt. How about: what's good looping? _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 09:40:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15EJsj05912; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:19:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:19:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bc01c3ebf3$8aacb320$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 14:22:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 6:52 AM Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... > At 5:00 PM -0600 2/4/04, Eric Williamson wrote: > >On Feb 4, 2004, at 1:41 PM, asterion@hell.com wrote: > >>At 4:42 PM -0500 2/3/04, Andre Cholmondeley wrote: > >>>Check out some Raymond Scott > >>Some pretty silly shit. > > > >ah, you must be thinking of his jazz ensemble music. > > > >have you heard his electronic stuff? > > If you refer to the two CDs in the Manhattan Research Inc. set and > "Soothing Sounds for Baby" yes I have heard it. Some good sounds here > and there, but mostly silly. I wonder what Robert Moog, who apprenticed with Scott, would think. One might think it clever to call it "silly", but it's a major precursor to electronic music as we know it - and given the sequenced material some on this list rely upon it shouldn't be forgotten that Raymond Scott made the first sequencer process for electronic sound production. Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 09:42:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15EKeT06004; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:20:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:20:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c001c3ebf3$a63be7f0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: What is good? was: Even more slash Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 14:23:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Spring" To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 13:50 PM Subject: What is good? was: Even more slash > > >all that is left is to discover what is _good_. > > > >--- > >Eric Williamson > > > Ah ha. I love this question. What IS good? Any takers? > > Eric, I'm guessing, judging by your statement, that you see "good" as being > somehow objective. Care to elaborate? > > An to those that might swing the other way and say that what's good is all > relative, well how do you explain Ricky Martin?....... One word: Menudo. That should be sufficient :(P > ok, just kidding, but surely you get my point. If it's all subjective, then > everything is permitted, everything is good to someone. That makes me > uncomfortable as well. > > Come on, a little musical philosophy won't hurt. How about: what's good > looping? Two words: No Pussyfooting. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 09:46:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15ELLN06096; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:21:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:21:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "AvgJoe" To: Subject: RE: Re: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:21:04 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c3ebf3$4a0ecc90$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040204215548.01623070@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean@loomwebdesign.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 1:01 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: Loop IV for EDP: How long to get it? > > > Well... it's not likely that LOOP IV is sitting in a > warehouse ready to > ship. Also not likely that they like printing mailing labels > and packing > slips etc every time an order comes in. Probably done in > batches - on the > weekend after day job drudgery (not that burning images and > mailing orders > is any less drudgerific). Ok. I get the picture now. Being now to this list I wasn't aware that Aurisis is a side project for the people who do it. It all makes much more sense now. Thanks, Paul > > > At 09:20 PM 04/02/04, paul_sanders@adelphia.net wrote: > > > Our standard Fedex rate (for overnight) is $26 and change. Fedex > > > gives different rates to different companies based on how much > > > business they do. So that may explain the increased rate. > > > >I don't have a problem with paying that rate for overnight if the > >update > >ships within a day or two of my order meaning I receive the > update in 1-3 > >days. Is this the case, or is it more like a week, which is > what the order > >page suggests? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 12:15:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15Gv3n28381; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:57:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:57:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040205165701.63603.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:57:01 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Comnes Subject: Re: Alesis Blowout (was Even More Slash....) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sweetwater's site has 'em http://www.sweetwater.com/feature/technotes/issue3-modfx/ --- Don Makoviney wrote: > Anyone have some good sound clips of the Bitrman > pedal? > > DM > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Douglas Baldwin > [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] > >>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:58 PM > >>To: Andre Cholmondeley; > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... > >> > >>The first time I heard G'nR, I thought they had > TWO > >>vocalists. I figured no one person could have that > range. And > >>I had to *practice* to play "Sweet Child o'Mine" > flawlessly > >>at the drop of a (top) hat. And I'm a > half-century-old > >>serious guitarist who does the deep theory thing > AND who > >>tries to steal from my foreartists. I dig Andre's > flow. And > >>thanx for the tip on the Alesis blowout! > >>Two cents from > >>Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > >>coyotelk@optonline.net > >> > >> > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 12:29:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15H9U130357; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:09:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:09:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "AvgJoe" To: Subject: EDP syncing LoopIII vs LoopIV Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:09:12 -0500 Message-ID: <003801c3ec0a$c73a9840$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i15H9Tc30334 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I just want to make sure I'm understanding something as a limitation in LoopIII before I count on LoopIV to resolve my problem. My EDP has LoopIII. I'm syncing to midi clock from my Emu PX-7. I'll be playing a drum pattern for instance. I want to be able to hit record on the EDP, have it start right away, and hit record (or alt ending) again and have it stop and loop from that point. The behavior I'm getting as I understand it is quantize is working with this start of pattern pulse from the PX7, so if the pattern is 4 bars long and I only want to loop 1 or 2 bars, my loop is padded with silence ot fill in the pattern cycle from the PX7. I read the LoopIII based manual and tried to read between the lines ot figure out things that aren't clearly stated there. I futzed with this for quite some time last night. Is this in fact a limitation of LoopIII that is resolved in LoopIV? In reading through the LoopIV manual, "SyncRecord" appears to be what I'm after, but it's not clear from what I've read what happens if I'm playing a 4 bar drum pattern and only record 2 bars in the loop. It talks about keeping track of the loop cycle count, etc, but that to me implies I would be recording more than 4 bars in this example. Do I have ot record to some cycle boundry? What happens if I record 5 bars, which is 1 cycle + 1 bar of the 2nd cycle. Thanks in advance, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 12:46:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15HOmD32563; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:24:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:24:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00bc01c3ebf3$8aacb320$0207a8c0@Stephen> References: <00bc01c3ebf3$8aacb320$0207a8c0@Stephen> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:20:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3FFXWC.A.s8H.gxnIAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:22 PM +0000 2/5/04, Steve Goodman wrote: >I wonder what Robert Moog, who apprenticed with Scott, would think. Bob Moog is a pretty silly guy himself (I once saw him play theremin in a duet with Keith Emerson - it was definitely silly). >One might think it clever to call it "silly" Not "clever" at all. Most of Scott's electronic music is obviously silly. All one needs to do is to listen to it and the silliness is quite clear. Remember that most of this was done as commercial jingles (Auto-Lite spark plugs, Bendix, Sprite, Cheer, Hostess Twinkies, etc.). >it's a major precursor to electronic music as we know it In a musical-historical sense it's a "minor" precursor. Most of Scott's output dates from the 1960s, by which time "major" pioneering works of electronic music had already been created and disseminated by "major" composers such as Stockhausen, Henry, Berio >Raymond Scott made the first sequencer process for electronic sound >production. According to Moog's description, in 1955 Scott's sequencer consisted of "rack upon rack of these stepping relays that were used by the telephone company..." It was a clever adaptation of existing technology. In that same year the RCA Synthesizer Mark II was also in existence and being used much more publicly for "serious" music. The word "precursor" is important in discussing Scott's work, since it was certainly not much of a direct "influence" on anybody. While there is no doubt that Scott was an inventor of some talent and imagination, he was also inclined to "hide his light under a bushel" for fear of imitators. As a result very few people knew what he was really doing and therefore he had little impact on subsequent developments (both musical and technological). -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 13:07:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15HkEC02625; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:46:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:46:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.163.129.139] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tascam Pocketstudio and Repeater? Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:46:03 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2004 17:46:03.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC768240:01C3EC0F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Plus the Repeater doesn't hard-wrap the loop, it records pre-start and post-stop 'padding' and the wrap-around is essentially a crossfade of the pre- and post-ambles. A separate file manages the indexing of start and stop points. This looks very specific to the Repeater. Nic >From: Paul Greenstein >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Tascam Pocketstudio and Repeater? >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:48:30 +0000 > >I don't own a pocketstudio, so I'm guessing here, but I think it's highly >unlikely. The Repeater directory structure and file formats seem to be >unique. The only way I've been able to export repeater tracks is to >'flatten' the loops, then grab the wav files off the card using a card >reader. > > >On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 12:16 am, vze6n8vs wrote: > >>I was wondering if anybody knows if the CFC media used for storing audio >>loops on the Repeater could be directly used with the Tascam Pocketstudio, >>which also uses CFCs?  It's a long shot, but I figure both of them have 4 >>primary tracks, both have some looping capabilities, etc.; does anyone >>know if it's possible to transfer loops from the Repeater to the >>Pocketstudio directly, via CFCs? >>  >>Thanks, >>Ryan http://www.fractal-continuum.com http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 16:38:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15LWAn01968; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:32:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:32:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C3EC37.FD3D1120@dyn-81-166-62-171.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: what's good looping? Two words: No Pussyfooting. :) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:32:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C3EC37.FD4638E0" Resent-Message-ID: <5U7JyB.A.le.aZrIAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C3EC37.FD4638E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for that last line Steve. that's all there is to say. Francois Listen to some samples on http://1000.times.free.fr/ -----Message d'origine----- De: Steve Goodman [SMTP:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Date: jeudi 5 f=E9vrier 2004 15:24 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: What is good? was: Even more slash << Fichier: ATT00012.txt; charset =3D Windows-1252>> ------ =_NextPart_000_01C3EC37.FD4638E0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IjMVAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAIAIAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAZQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdo dEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAFNNVFAATG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdo dC5jb20AAAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAACQAAABMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRA bG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbQADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAmAAAAJ0xvb3BlcnMt RGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tJwAAAAIBCzABAAAAKQAAAFNNVFA6TE9PUEVSUy1E RUxJR0hUQExPT1BFUlMtREVMSUdIVC5DT00AAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAB4A9l8BAAAAJAAA AExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAAIB918BAAAAZQAAAAAAAACBKx+k vqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAFNNVFAA TG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20AAAAAAwD9XwEAAAADAP9fAAAAAAIB 9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAALBhQEEgAEANAAAAHdoYXQncyBnb29kIGxvb3Bpbmc/IFR3byB3b3Jkczog Tm8gUHVzc3lmb290aW5nLiA6KQAZEgEFgAMADgAAANQHAgAFABYAIAAxAAQATQEBIIADAA4AAADU BwIABQAWABwAJgAEAD4BAQmAAQAhAAAAN0YyN0I4MkQyRUVDQzMxMUIyRkYyMjdBQ0I3MTkwRjMA WAcBA5AGAJQFAAAhAAAACwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADAC4AAAAAAAMA NgAAAAAAQAA5AICdp5ov7MMBHgBwAAEAAAA0AAAAd2hhdCdzIGdvb2QgbG9vcGluZz8gVHdvIHdv cmRzOiBObyBQdXNzeWZvb3RpbmcuIDopAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAHD7C+ans0fF6FYKRHYnuNERVNU AAAAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAASAAAAZnIubGVicnVuQGZyZWUuZnIAAAAD AAYQ0M8oRAMABxA0AQAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAAVEhBTktTRk9SVEhBVExBU1RMSU5FU1RFVkVUSEFU U0FMTFRIRVJFSVNUT1NBWUZSQU5DT0lTTElTVEVOVE9TT01FU0FNUExFU09OSFRUUDovLzEwMDBU SU1FU0ZSRUVGUi8tLQAAAAACAQkQAQAAAGICAABeAgAArgMAAExaRnUHjUjNPwAKAQMB9wKkA+MC AGNowQrAc2V0MCAHEwKDYwBQDu9UYWgDcQKDMi8DRREaB3wCgzMQp3ByNHEyD+k0FPsPT319EwqA CMggOwlvMjU1SwKACoF2CJB3awuAZNkWcHVjAFALA2MAQQtgwG5nMTAzNgunCrHlCoB0D3BuawQg AhAFwLcdwQVAC2BzHqELgGUGAKB0ZXZlLh5jJwQgfwdAAyAdwASQH0AEAB5gb+Agc2F5Lh1kIYgL MPxzYhygAUAhQCLCHCAP0LxGcgBwBaAEABB0MRzQ+x8TJPJMArEg0R9wA6AhEncDcB9AIUBtC1AH kQIgIEJoAkBwOi8vIsEwdC50B3IuA1AJ4CgxL/8SUwvwFnAhlCQ6IeopVRTgvyH5HxAcwB1RA2Af cGMFQFotLVJNB5AhQGcfQGTyJwWwaWcfIS1TIYYs5A8dUwsxLOQCAGktMjLjAcAkoTI2MxJwDNAx A6BiIERlOgyDYg/QMR9jIEdvBHADgltTgE1UUDpzcGczdFxAZQrAHcAfEGcnIC75HzB0XSGFMjEe kDJnFlEAIGpldWRpIDVBHiBcJ2U5dgiCIMUB0DA3QDE1OikhK5fjDDAWYSdjMDJwFNEylcpMM3Bw BJBzLTJQNTO+QAkAOzQBADU0BaBtNddUT2I3YHQyd1IyYCCOVx6CIOE0Yj8gdx7QvT7QRR+QA6AE YCCxcx7BnmgvDzAaLHQc+zw8I5COaQ9gCJE+0EFUVCehhDEyJ9B4dDsgD2XMID0+4BtBb3c7cEUw sDUyPj4dZBhxAEfQAAADABAQAAAAAAMAERACAAAAAwCAEP////9AAAcwwJbwBC/swwFAAAgwwJbw BC/swwEDAACACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAQhQAAAAAAAAsAA4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABG AAAAAAOFAAAAAAAAAwAVgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAUoUAALcNAAADABeACCAGAAAAAADA AAAAAAAARgAAAAABhQAAAAAAAB4AHIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFSFAAABAAAABAAAADgu MAALAB2ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAOhQAAAAAAAAMAHoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAA ABGFAAAAAAAAAwAfgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAGIUAAAAAAAAeADaACCAGAAAAAADAAAAA AAAARgAAAAA2hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA3gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAN4UAAAEAAAAB AAAAAAAAAB4AOIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADiFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAD0AAQAAAAEA AAAAAAAAAwANNP03AABjMg== ------ =_NextPart_000_01C3EC37.FD4638E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 17:01:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15Lkvh04741; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:46:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:46:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C3EC3A.0C6C7A80@dyn-81-166-62-171.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Even More Slash.... Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:47:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C3EC3A.0C6C7A80" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C3EC3A.0C6C7A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very interesting to learn that having seen Bob Moog play once was enough to determine that he "is a pretty silly guy himself " !! If this is the way "precursors" and others are rated, I doubt Stockhausen and Pierre Henry are proud there where quoted in this posting. Francois -----Message d'origine----- De: asterion@hell.com [SMTP:asterion@hell.com] Date: jeudi 5 f=E9vrier 2004 18:20 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: Even More Slash.... At 2:22 PM +0000 2/5/04, Steve Goodman wrote: >I wonder what Robert Moog, who apprenticed with Scott, would think. Bob Moog is a pretty silly guy himself (I once saw him play theremin=20 in a duet with Keith Emerson - it was definitely silly). >One might think it clever to call it "silly" Not "clever" at all. Most of Scott's electronic music is obviously=20 silly. All one needs to do is to listen to it and the silliness is=20 quite clear. Remember that most of this was done as commercial=20 jingles (Auto-Lite spark plugs, Bendix, Sprite, Cheer, Hostess=20 Twinkies, etc.). >it's a major precursor to electronic music as we know it In a musical-historical sense it's a "minor" precursor. Most of=20 Scott's output dates from the 1960s, by which time "major" pioneering=20 works of electronic music had already been created and disseminated=20 by "major" composers such as Stockhausen, Henry, Berio >Raymond Scott made the first sequencer process for electronic sound=20 >production. According to Moog's description, in 1955 Scott's sequencer consisted=20 of "rack upon rack of these stepping relays that were used by the=20 telephone company..." It was a clever adaptation of existing=20 technology. In that same year the RCA Synthesizer Mark II was also in=20 existence and being used much more publicly for "serious" music. The word "precursor" is important in discussing Scott's work, since=20 it was certainly not much of a direct "influence" on anybody. While=20 there is no doubt that Scott was an inventor of some talent and=20 imagination, he was also inclined to "hide his light under a bushel"=20 for fear of imitators. 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Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude I put these commands in my PMC10 after setting up the EDPs with the appropriate IDs, but am not getting any results. Is it possible to put a single sysex command to do this midi channel changing on the EDP? I understand you're wariness in helping a non-programmer, but I just want to do this ONE THING! Dedicated EDP "power-user" without programming chops... Thanks Neil > F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 11 02 01 7F ch F7 this should change the channel > where > ch 1=$00, Ch2=$01, et > > BUT this changes channels to both edps > > if you want to change ch on only the slave you must set it to a different > device id manually (check the manual) so that the message only go to one > of > the pair > > > F0 00 01 30 0B xx 01 11 02 01 7F ch F7 > > xx is device id, id 01=$01, id 02=$02 etc.... > > but frankly you're looking for trouble when asking for complicated stuff > without really studying midi and the manual for a while > IMHO advanced stuff is for advanced users that can debug it themselves.... > > Good luck > > > Claude > > > > > > > I think if someone would walk us through putting sysex strings into the > > PMC that would be the way to do it. I looked at the sysex documentation > > in the Loop IV manual, but can't figure out how to change the channels > > via sysex. Could one of you programmers spell out the appropriate > > strings with the correct syntax so we could input this into our midi > > controllers? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Neil > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:16 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: How to match parameters on two EDPs > > > > > > How about sysx? That should work--'course, I haven't done it--but I > > think > > > Claude Voit wrote an editor > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200307/msg00081.html > > > That should let you do it that way. > > > Best, > > > Relay > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 17:03:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15Leoe03612; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:40:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:40:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c3ec30$b4cdaff0$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <003801c3ec0a$c73a9840$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> Subject: Re: EDP syncing LoopIII vs LoopIV Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:40:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <37h5oD.A.U4.ihrIAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how I understand your problem ??? 2 things 1- the quantized behaviour of the strt rec point is the only way in loop3 when sync IN. loop 4 allows you to strt rec at any point and end rec will be rounded to the next cycle point 2-the cycle (initial loop time) is determined by the 8th params changing it will allow you to have different lenght cycle 8 8th= 1 meas in 4/4 4 8th = Half note etc... Trust us all you wont regret your loop 4 upgrade Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "AvgJoe" To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 6:09 PM Subject: EDP syncing LoopIII vs LoopIV > Hi all, > > I just want to make sure I'm understanding something as a limitation in > LoopIII before I count on LoopIV to resolve my problem. > > My EDP has LoopIII. I'm syncing to midi clock from my Emu PX-7. I'll be > playing a drum pattern for instance. I want to be able to hit record on the > EDP, have it start right away, and hit record (or alt ending) again and have > it stop and loop from that point. > > The behavior I'm getting as I understand it is quantize is working with this > start of pattern pulse from the PX7, so if the pattern is 4 bars long and I > only want to loop 1 or 2 bars, my loop is padded with silence ot fill in the > pattern cycle from the PX7. > > I read the LoopIII based manual and tried to read between the lines ot > figure out things that aren't clearly stated there. I futzed with this for > quite some time last night. Is this in fact a limitation of LoopIII that is > resolved in LoopIV? > > In reading through the LoopIV manual, "SyncRecord" appears to be what I'm > after, but it's not clear from what I've read what happens if I'm playing a > 4 bar drum pattern and only record 2 bars in the loop. It talks about > keeping track of the loop cycle count, etc, but that to me implies I would > be recording more than 4 bars in this example. Do I have ot record to some > cycle boundry? What happens if I record 5 bars, which is 1 cycle + 1 bar of > the 2nd cycle. > > Thanks in advance, > > Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 18:01:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i15MoSO16562; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:50:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:50:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:50:26 +0000 Subject: Re: Tascam Pocketstudio and Repeater? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i15MoRc16536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com True. I also discovered during various experiments that there is no way to fool the Repeater into accepting audio that's been recorded elsewhere - i.e. importing wav files by copying them onto a card, which is of course the reverse of what Ryan is trying to do. I tried reproducing the directory structure that the Repeater uses, but the data files themselves are seemingly unhackable. Paul On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 05:46 pm, Nic Roozeboom wrote: > Plus the Repeater doesn't hard-wrap the loop, it records pre-start and > post-stop 'padding' and the wrap-around is essentially a crossfade of > the pre- and post-ambles. A separate file manages the indexing of > start and stop points. This looks very specific to the Repeater. > Nic > > >> From: Paul Greenstein >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Tascam Pocketstudio and Repeater? >> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:48:30 +0000 >> >> I don't own a pocketstudio, so I'm guessing here, but I think it's >> highly unlikely. The Repeater directory structure and file formats >> seem to be unique. The only way I've been able to export repeater >> tracks is to 'flatten' the loops, then grab the wav files off the >> card using a card reader. >> >> >> On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 12:16 am, vze6n8vs wrote: >> >>> I was wondering if anybody knows if the CFC media used for storing >>> audio loops on the Repeater could be directly used with the Tascam >>> Pocketstudio, which also uses CFCs?  It's a long shot, but I figure >>> both of them have 4 primary tracks, both have some looping >>> capabilities, etc.; does anyone know if it's possible to transfer >>> loops from the Repeater to the Pocketstudio directly, via CFCs? >>>   >>> Thanks, >>> Ryan > > > > http://www.fractal-continuum.com > http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with > prime features! > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 5 23:41:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i164Yqe15551; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:34:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:34:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01C3EC3A.0C6C7A80@dyn-81-166-62-171.ppp.tiscali.fr> References: <01C3EC3A.0C6C7A80@dyn-81-166-62-171.ppp.tiscali.fr> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:33:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: RE: Even More Slash.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:47 PM +0100 2/5/04, F Lebrun wrote: >Very interesting to learn that having seen Bob Moog play once >was enough to determine that he "is a pretty silly guy himself " !! I've also spent an evening socially with Bob Moog (and with Wendy Carlos and others on the same occasion) and have seen him speak publicly several times (both as a single presenter and as a panelist). He jokes around. He acts silly. He mugs and does impressions. This in no way invalidates his significant contributions to music technology. >If this is the way "precursors" and others are rated, >I doubt Stockhausen and Pierre Henry are proud >there where quoted in this posting. This is your opinion, just as my rating of Raymond Scott's music as commercial fluff is my opinion. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 00:09:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i164p5R18419; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:51:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:51:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:31:24 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video performance w BASSIS - SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 2004 -Providence, RI. Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i164p5c18395 Resent-Message-ID: <53qofD.A.qfE.50xIAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, here's the show for Saturday Night! BASSIS - SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 2004 @ AS220.org 115 Empire Street Providence, RI 02903 B A S S I S An evening of audiovisual electronic stimulation. Live, innovative performances of electronic music. DJs spinning the best in Drum-n-Bass, 2-Step, Hip-Hop, Breaks n Beats. VJs projecting Immersivideo® on three walls. Each monthly event begins with an installment of the kat-fu Educational Series: movie screenings on turntablism, electronica, video and contemporary culture. BASSIS happens the +++ FIRST SATURDAY +++ of every month at AS220, 115 Empire Street, Providence, Rhode Island. $5, cheap drinks, cafe specials, all ages, 9pm music 7pm movie. SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 2004 E L E C T R O N I C A [Cozy Music] - beautiful happy music with all those blip-bleep buttons. Dustmite ( w/ special guests, ALGORITHM, 80HRZ AND DJ DISTORTION ) live PA - dusted-beats/dubbed bass and sonic atmospheres. Loggerhead - [Providence] - live CPU overheating madness T U R N T A B L E S DJ Thumpmatic [www.btownsound.com] blasts you with some booty shakin' dnb. V I S U A L S Dr. T. [www.foryourhead.com] ambient, improvised feedback and synthesis. VJ D'Compressor [Sign System] symbolica electronica projected. Free Movie @ 7pm: Better Living Through Circuitry, directed by Jon Reiss. MORE INFORMATION AVAILABLE AT: http://kat-fu.com/ & http://as220.org -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 05:49:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16AkJY32692; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 05:46:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 05:46:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: <00bc01c3ebf3$8aacb320$0207a8c0@Stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Williamson Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 04:45:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 5, 2004, at 11:20 AM, asterion@hell.com wrote: > Most of Scott's electronic music is obviously silly. All one needs to > do is to listen to it and the silliness is quite clear. Remember that > most of this was done as commercial jingles (Auto-Lite spark plugs, > Bendix, Sprite, Cheer, Hostess Twinkies, etc.). i just got a BBC4 documentary about the BBC Radiophonic Workshop a couple months ago, and have watched it several times over. the music is interesting, because most of it is either fun, silly, or downright scary. i would strongly recommend that anyone who has a chance to see The Alchemists Of Sound do so, if only to further one's appreciation for how easy we have it now in sound manipulation technology. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 05:58:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16Aq3001664; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 05:52:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 05:52:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <40218E23.5000309@biink.com> References: <40218E23.5000309@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <73CF8CE6-5892-11D8-AE57-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Williamson Subject: Re: Even More Slash.... Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 04:51:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: <8R2qtC.A.1Z.TH3IAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 4, 2004, at 6:28 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > Eric Williamson wrote: >> but yes, one of my favourite realities of music in the year 2004 is >> that there is truly nothing new, as our musical opportunities are >> limited by the overtone series of western instruments. > Care to elaborate on that statement? Why limited? ah i forgot about the microtonal aspect, reminded by your sig. i really should have clarified that with the word "diatonic" in between "our" and "musical". i feel that diatonic music is limited by the integer-multiple overtone series. there are only so many ways to string 7 (or 12, if you're into tone rows and that sort of thing) notes together, and every time i try to write a melody, i'm reminded of that. i personally am not interested in using non-diatonic-based tunings in my music, because i don't feel that an appropriate enough combination of interface, instrument, and price point exists yet to make me interested in it. i'm not a guitarist, i'm a keyboardist. when i think about Wendy's Alpha scale it makes my head spin. an instrument i would really like to see that would get me into microtuning would be a digital Hammond organ clone where the digital tonewheels could be tuned to different scales. _That_ would get me excited. especially if it had a "stretch" knob so i could finally play an Hammond in proper tune with a piano! --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 06:58:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16BqEW13865; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 06:52:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 06:52:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040206115208.3519.qmail@web25203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:52:08 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?DIEGO=20CASADAMON?= Subject: REAKTOR 2.3 LOOPER PATCH To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-553061943-1076068328=:3176" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-553061943-1076068328=:3176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit HELLO I AM A GUITARRIST/COMPOSER AND PERFORMER OF LOOP BASED MUSIC.- I READ VERY OFTEN LOOPERS DELAIGHT WEB PAGE . NOW I WORK WITH REAKTOR, AND I PROGRAMED A PATCH FOR THIS PROGRAM WICH IS CAPABLE TO MADE 6 LOOPS OF 20 SECONDS, THE PATCH IS FOR THE VERSION 2.3 OF REKTOR BUT I WANT TO POST THIS FOR FREE IN THE PAGE FOR ANOTHER LOOPERS MUSICIANS, IF YOU WAT THIS INSTRUMENT PLEASE LET ME KNOW.- THANKS DIEGO CASADAMON --------------------------------- Antivirus #8226; Filtros antispam #8226; 6 MB gratis ¿Todavía no tienes un correo inteligente? --0-553061943-1076068328=:3176 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
HELLO I AM A GUITARRIST/COMPOSER AND PERFORMER OF LOOP BASED MUSIC.-
I READ VERY OFTEN LOOPERS DELAIGHT  WEB PAGE .
 NOW I WORK WITH REAKTOR, AND I PROGRAMED A PATCH FOR THIS PROGRAM WICH IS CAPABLE TO MADE 6 LOOPS OF 20 SECONDS, THE PATCH IS FOR THE VERSION 2.3 OF REKTOR BUT I WANT TO POST THIS FOR FREE IN THE PAGE FOR ANOTHER LOOPERS MUSICIANS, IF YOU WAT THIS INSTRUMENT PLEASE LET ME KNOW.-
 
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I READ VERY OFTEN LOOPERS DELAIGHT  WEB PAGE .
 NOW I WORK WITH REAKTOR, AND I PROGRAMED A PATCH FOR THIS PROGRAM WICH IS CAPABLE TO MADE 6 LOOPS OF 20 SECONDS, THE PATCH IS FOR THE VERSION 2.3 OF REKTOR BUT I WANT TO POST THIS FOR FREE IN THE PAGE FOR ANOTHER LOOPERS MUSICIANS, IF YOU WAT THIS INSTRUMENT PLEASE LET ME KNOW.-
 
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--0-1619679543-1076070735=:22987-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 08:31:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16DKa203455; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:20:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:20:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: PMC 10 on eBay; also Loop.pool coming to San Diego California Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 05:20:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPss/o6qg2bg6j7S2yTkIe5C9jYxw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20040206132030.TKLM23539.fed1mtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang-- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3701507458&category=41419 as used by Kim Flint 8^) Also preliminary gig spam; an evening of looping, Thursday February 19th at The Space, 916 West Washington in San Diego, CA 92103 at 8pm / $5 sliding scale. Featuring Rick Walker and former homeboy Louie Angulo--and me if I don't get another gig 8(o)--more announcements to come. Loop onnnnnnmmmmmmm . . . Relay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 08:37:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16DX5506236; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:33:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:33:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1076074375!7919251 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533FA1@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Even More out of tune Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:12:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3ECB2.D8F5FF40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3ECB2.D8F5FF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>i feel that diatonic music is limited by the integer-multiple overtone series. there are only so many ways to string 7 (or 12, if you're into tone rows and that sort of thing) notes together, and every time i try to write a melody, i'm reminded of that. i personally am not interested in using non-diatonic-based tunings in my music, because i don't feel that an appropriate enough combination of interface, instrument, and price point exists yet to make me interested in it. i'm not a guitarist, i'm a keyboardist. when i think about Wendy's Alpha scale it makes my head spin.<< I've tried experimenting with different scales- the emu modules are particularly well-equipped for this kind of adventure- but I can't get past the fact that, to me anyway, it just sounds horrible. I don't play music because I like the maths, I play music because I like the noise. for me, there are twelve notes and you can only use certain combinations of them together at one time. usually about seven of the twelve. somethimes the same notes sound a bit different, e.g. if you have a guitar and a trumpet playing together. even single notes that are in tune have all these clashing harmonics that make it sound out of tune. I know the physics, but I'm trying to keep this simple. anyway, that's about as much dissonance as I can tolerate unless it's actually one's intention to make an awful noise, like with a ring modulator or a dx7, say..... I'll get me coat again. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>i feel that diatonic music is limited by the inte= ger-multiple overtone
series. there are only so many ways to string 7 (or 12, = if you're into
tone rows and that sort of thing) notes together, and ev= ery time i try
to write a melody, i'm reminded of that.

i personally am not interested in using non-diatonic-base= d tunings in
my music, because i don't feel that an appropriate enoug= h combination
of interface, instrument, and price point exists yet to = make me
interested in it. i'm not a guitarist, i'm a keyboardist= . when i think
about Wendy's Alpha scale it makes my head spin.<<=

I've tried experimenting with different scales- the emu m= odules are particularly well-equipped for this kind of adventure- but I can= 't get past the fact that, to me anyway, it just sounds horrible.

I don't play music because I like the maths, I play music= because I like the noise. for me, there are twelve notes and you can only = use certain combinations of them together at one time. usually about seven = of the twelve.

somethimes the same notes sound a bit different, e.g. if = you have a guitar and a trumpet playing together. even single notes that ar= e in tune have all these clashing harmonics that make it sound out of tune.= I know the physics, but I'm trying to keep this simple.

anyway, that's about as much dissonance as I can tolerate= unless it's actually one's intention to make an awful noise, like with a r= ing modulator or a dx7, say.....

I'll get me coat again.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3ECB2.D8F5FF40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 09:03:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16DovI10388; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:50:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:50:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: REAKTOR 2.3 LOOPER PATCH Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:50:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2004 13:50:51.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B6E2E40:01C3ECB8] Resent-Message-ID: <-v1HI.A.KiC.Bv5IAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Post away Diego. I'm sure many of us are interested. Do you mean to post it on the Looper's Delight website? Let us know. JS >From: DIEGO CASADAMON >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: REAKTOR 2.3 LOOPER PATCH Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:52:08 +0100 >(CET) > >HELLO I AM A GUITARRIST/COMPOSER AND PERFORMER OF LOOP BASED MUSIC.- >I READ VERY OFTEN LOOPERS DELAIGHT WEB PAGE . > NOW I WORK WITH REAKTOR, AND I PROGRAMED A PATCH FOR THIS PROGRAM WICH IS >CAPABLE TO MADE 6 LOOPS OF 20 SECONDS, THE PATCH IS FOR THE VERSION 2.3 OF >REKTOR BUT I WANT TO POST THIS FOR FREE IN THE PAGE FOR ANOTHER LOOPERS >MUSICIANS, IF YOU WAT THIS INSTRUMENT PLEASE LET ME KNOW.- > > THANKS >DIEGO CASADAMON > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > Antivirus #8226; Filtros antispam #8226; 6 MB gratis > ¿Todavía no tienes un correo inteligente? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 09:14:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16E3e114985; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:03:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:03:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:03:27 +0100 Subject: Re: Public music beta testing - preview of upcoming CD release From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40216060.3070408@soundscapes.us> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-04 22.13, "Bill Fox" wrote: > Hi Per, > > I have 56k dialup and no time for downloading so I can't comment on your song. > But in your first sentence, you called it ambient so why are you looking for a > style name? Marketing a CD is the hardest part of being a musician if you're > marketing it yourself. Or you could shop it to record labels. Have you tried > Groove, Hypnos, Space for Music, or any of the others? > > Cheers, > > Bill Fox Hi Bill, Thanks for the input! It's just that the style name "ambient" seems very broad today. As for myself "ambient" can go for as apart stuff as eighty year old piano pieces by Eric Satie, the Britches Brew album by Miles, most Orb stuff as well as simple field recordings, and at yet all these examples might go by different descriptions with other people - like "classic", "jazz", "techno" etc. "Ambient", as I understand it, stands for music that might serve as well for concentrated listening as for providing an ambience/background for other activities. A description based based on how the music is being used. Other descriptions might be based on a certain vibe, or emotion, communicated within the music. Like "Space Music" has adopted its definite criteria, even though I have never seen an explicit listing of them, after Stephen Hill's well known radio shows. I once read somewhere that "a good Science Fiction novel has to leave the reader in a certain Sense-Of-Wonder", and I think that's a good example of a "vibe based style description". So what's that applied on music? ;-) All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 09:36:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16EQMr20488; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:26:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:26:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:26:15 +0100 Subject: Re: oberheim matrix1000 - opinions From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040202162049.48408.qmail@web80211.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-02 17.20, "JAMES FOWLER, III" wrote: > > i'm on the fence regarding which synth to buy...either the emu vintage pro or > the ANALOG!!! oberheim matrix 1000. anybody wanna try and convince me one way > or the other? > > -jim Hi Jim, I'm not quite sure about exactly what type of advice you are after here, but as for sound I have to say that I'm still very happy with my Matrix-1000 after using it for 12 years. I have run it from a midi guitar with each voice (it has 6 voices) playing over its dedicated midi channel and the guitar sending each string assigned to a midi channel of its own. The idea about such an unusual mode is to allow each string to send different pitch bend data and it's working pretty well. But I finally skipped over the entire "midi guitar chapter" since I never learned to play it as well as a normally sounding guitar. Today I use the Oberheim as a quick sound source when crating music with Logic and I keep it patched into my soundcard, together with a Really Nice Compressor, to record it as sound files on the fly. I find it a very good complement to the digital virtual instruments available today. It has a nice character and is easily recognizable in a mix, be it tweaked by Alex Patterson or William Orbit. Very inspiring sounds I would say and I don't miss the ability to program new sounds on the unit. Although I can do that from Logic with a certain environment I tend to find it more creative as a "Oberheim Synth Sound Library". The EMU vintage I do not own, but I have had the EMU 1 for 13 (?) years. Never use it today. If you want some of those vintage sounds you might as well download some soundfonts from the Internet, I would say ;-) Best regards Per Boysen -- http://www.boysen.se Public Music Beta Testing http://www.looproom.com/p2p/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 11:52:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16Ghni28660; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:43:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:43:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Portable waist-high table??? Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:43:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3ECD0.6387E930" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3ECD0.6387E930 Content-Type: text/plain I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is acceptable also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I stand playing live onstage. I need to be able to control stuff like a Behringer V-Amp2, Alesis INEKO, and my soon-to-arrive Alesis Metavox. I want to have a waist (or mid-stomach) high table that is also collapsible and lightweight to take to gigs. I was thinking about using my heavy-duty AXMAN collapsible music stand and just put it up. Any ideas? Thanks, DM ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3ECD0.6387E930 Content-Type: text/html
I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is acceptable also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I stand playing live onstage. I need to be able to control stuff like a Behringer V-Amp2, Alesis INEKO, and my soon-to-arrive Alesis Metavox.
 
I want to have a waist (or mid-stomach) high table that is also collapsible and lightweight to take to gigs. I was thinking about using my heavy-duty AXMAN collapsible music stand and just put it up.
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks,
 
DM
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3ECD0.6387E930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 12:12:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16H8Ae04254; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:08:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:08:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "AvgJoe" To: Subject: RE: Portable waist-high table??? Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:07:53 -0500 Message-ID: <008e01c3ecd3$c23120c0$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008F_01C3ECA9.D95B18C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C3ECA9.D95B18C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got this Rubbermaid table from BJ's wholesale club. It's 4x2 and has = folld up legs with adjustable height. 4' may be too long for you though, but = it's very handy and versatile. I used it for my DJ gigs when I used to do = that. =20 Paul =20 -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]=20 Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Portable waist-high table??? I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is = acceptable also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I stand = playing live onstage. I need to be able to control stuff like a Behringer = V-Amp2, Alesis INEKO, and my soon-to-arrive Alesis Metavox. =20 I want to have a waist (or mid-stomach) high table that is also = collapsible and lightweight to take to gigs. I was thinking about using my = heavy-duty AXMAN collapsible music stand and just put it up. =20 Any ideas? =20 Thanks, =20 DM =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C3ECA9.D95B18C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I got=20 this Rubbermaid table from BJ's wholesale club. It's 4x2 and has folld = up legs=20 with adjustable height. 4' may be too long for you though, but it's very = handy=20 and versatile. I used it for my DJ gigs when I used to do=20 that.
 
Paul
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don = Makoviney=20 [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Friday, February 06, = 2004=20 11:44 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Portable waist-high table???

I = need a table,=20 maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is acceptable also) for = putting=20 a couple of hand controlled effects while I stand playing live = onstage. I need=20 to be able to control stuff like a Behringer V-Amp2, Alesis INEKO, and = my=20 soon-to-arrive Alesis Metavox.
 
I = want to have a=20 waist (or mid-stomach) high table that is also collapsible and = lightweight to=20 take to gigs. I was thinking about using my heavy-duty AXMAN = collapsible music=20 stand and just put it up.
 
Any=20 ideas?
 
Thanks,
 
DM
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C3ECA9.D95B18C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 12:17:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16H7G503927; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:07:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:07:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4023CD0B.7FC1E8B7@erols.com> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 12:21:16 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Portable waist-high table??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It may not be to your liking, but I use a wood snack/TV tray to place effects like that at a gig. They are light and portable and you can pick them up at a Target or Wall Mart. John www.johnmazzarella.com Don Makoviney wrote: > Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 13:38:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16IUts27930; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:30:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:30:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:29:41 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Portable waist-high table??? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2004 18:30:49.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[57F60930:01C3ECDF] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i16IUoc27896 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, A couple of ideas: 1. an "X"-keyboard stand with some kind of shelf on top. 2. I'm sure that I've seen small tables/stands as you describe (with removable legs) in Quiklok catalogues a while ago. Good luck. Ian At 11:43 06/02/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is acceptable > also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I stand playing > live onstage. I need to be able to control stuff like a Behringer V-Amp2, > Alesis INEKO, and my soon-to-arrive Alesis Metavox. >   > I want to have a waist (or mid-stomach) high table that is also collapsible > and lightweight to take to gigs. I was thinking about using my heavy-duty > AXMAN collapsible music stand and just put it up. >   > Any ideas? >   > Thanks, >   > DM >   >   From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 14:23:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16JJR109073; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:19:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:19:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4023E7E1.F6B92F1@pixar.com> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:15:45 -0800 From: Alex Stahl Organization: Pixar Animation Studios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Portable waist-high table??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_tBOqB.A.mNC.-i-IAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It might also be worth a look in the mobile computing universe. I saw a nice laptop tripod stand yesterday in a Mobile Planet catalog but couldn't find it on their site. But a quick search on "laptop table" brought up www.pctabletote.com, which looks kinda cool and is fairly inexpensive. I used to use a genuine Dictaphone roll around cart. It looked really cool but only collapsed once, on its own terms, during a performance ;-) Ian Popperwell wrote: > > Hi, > A couple of ideas: > 1. an "X"-keyboard stand with some kind of shelf on top. > 2. I'm sure that I've seen small tables/stands as you describe (with removable > legs) in Quiklok catalogues a while ago. > > Good luck. > Ian > > At 11:43 06/02/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > > I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is acceptable > > also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I stand playing > > live onstage. I need to be able to control stuff like a Behringer V-Amp2, > > Alesis INEKO, and my soon-to-arrive Alesis Metavox. > > > > I want to have a waist (or mid-stomach) high table that is also collapsible > > and lightweight to take to gigs. I was thinking about using my heavy-duty > > AXMAN collapsible music stand and just put it up. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > DM > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 15:13:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16K8mT24688; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:08:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:08:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4023F461.8000101@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:09:05 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #359 for February 5, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040205.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #359 February 5, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on the Ambient Music Mailing List, part of Hyperreal's music resource archives. The Featured CD at Midnight was "ambient.01@hyperreal" disc one by members of the mailing list. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Telemusik Mixtur" by Karlheinz Stockhausen on Deutsche Grammophon. Ambient Mailing List - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#feb PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Karlheinz Stockhausen Telemusik * Telemusik Mixtur (Deutsche Grammophon) Palancar A Passage to Dreamland Vast (mp3.com) Frank Gingeleit Planets' Spring Dance Selections (Living Tunes) Klangwelt Self Similar The Age of Numbers (Spheric) Don Slepian Glimpses of Light CDR from the artist ['ramp] Kaelteinduktion doombient.one (none) VA [EPD] Under the Red Line ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [Ambient Temple of Under the Red Line ambient.01@hyperreal (none) Imagination] 12:00 am VA [Avalon] Ladybug ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [Universal Selector] Marisol ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [Excelsior] Plug ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [Metasonica] Oceanic ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [Tonelab] Sun Silent ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [Spirit Oscillator] Boom ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [Dub Jay] Amber Translucence ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [XstaR] Alzir * ambient.01@hyperreal (none) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Ambient Music Mailing List. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "ambient.01@hyperreal" disc two by members of the mailing list. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "In Search of the Gods" by Absolute Elsewhere on Warner Brothers. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 15:24:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16KEx225880; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:14:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:14:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4023F5D6.8020204@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:15:18 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for January, 2004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5kicBD.A.PUG.CX_IAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/top20jan.html

WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for January, 2004.
Shows #354 to #358; 1-January-2004 to 29-January-2004
Reported in non-ranked order.
Compiled by Bill Fox
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic


ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
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Ian Boddy and Chris Carter - Caged - DiN
Ian Boddy, Markus Reuter, Nigel Mullaney - Triptych - DiN
Ian Boddy - Aurora - DiN
Ian Boddy - The Deep - Something Else
Ian Boddy and Markus Reuter - Jodrell Bank Concerts - SFM
David Borden - Cayuga Night Music - Lame Duck
E=motion - A dream Within A Dream - Underwater Music
Philippe Emmanuel Gueble - Fire & Remembrance - Underwater Music
Hemisphere - Beast in the Heat - Groove
The Ministry of Inside Things - Everlasting Moment - Synkronos
Dave Peck - Endo-Spectra - none
Richard Pinhas - Tranzition - Cuneiform
['ramp] - doombient.one - none
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 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 15:29:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16KOL627934; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:24:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:24:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:24:41 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Portable waist-high table??? To: Don Makoviney , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002f01c3ecef$613c8180$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_nKB2zBva6Kx7rG3PSat11w)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_nKB2zBva6Kx7rG3PSat11w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Don wrote: >I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is acceptable also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I stand playing live onstage. Try a waiter/waitresses's bussing table. Back in the day, I nicked one from the back of a catering hall, and used it for our PA head. Also a collapsable tall stool works well. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net --Boundary_(ID_nKB2zBva6Kx7rG3PSat11w) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Don wrote:
>I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is acceptable also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I stand playing live onstage.
 
Try a waiter/waitresses's bussing table. Back in the day, I nicked one from the back of a catering hall, and used it for our PA head. Also a collapsable tall stool works well.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
--Boundary_(ID_nKB2zBva6Kx7rG3PSat11w)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 18:17:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16NBmg02010; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:11:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:11:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533FA1@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533FA1@LON-MAIL07> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:26:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: RE: Even More out of tune Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1136022792==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1136022792==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:12 PM +0000 2/6/04, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >i personally am not interested in using non-diatonic-based tunings Please be aware that "diatonic" has no particular relationship to "tuning." A diatonic scale is simply a set of seven pitches spanning an octave and corresponding to the white keys on a piano (i.e. a pattern of semitones 2-2-1-2-2-2-1). You can start the scale pattern on any of its notes and you can transpose the scale to any of the 12 chronatic tones. The tuning of the pitches themselves is arbitrary. Therefore you can have diatonic scales in a variety of tunings, though most of the time when people say "diatonic" they imply "twelve-tone equal-tempered" tuning. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A --============_-1136022792==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: Even More out of tune
At 1:12 PM +0000 2/6/04, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:

i personally am not interested in using non-diatonic-based tunings

Please be aware that "diatonic" has no particular relationship to "tuning."

A diatonic scale is simply a set of seven pitches spanning an octave and corresponding to the white keys on a piano (i.e. a pattern of semitones 2-2-1-2-2-2-1). You can start the scale pattern on any of its notes and you can transpose the scale to any of the 12 chronatic tones. The tuning of the pitches themselves is arbitrary. Therefore you can have diatonic scales in a variety of tunings, though most of the time when people say "diatonic" they imply "twelve-tone equal-tempered" tuning.

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--============_-1136022792==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 19:04:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i16NxuB12934; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:59:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:59:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040206235944.28175.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:59:44 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Comnes Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #58 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200402062014.i16KE0A25701@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com regarding portable stands...get down to a camera store and ask to see the slide projector tables, they have removable legs that telescope down and clip on , a carry handle and very adjustable height and enough space to put a bunh of stuff on...the music stand idea is an accident waiting to happen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 20:10:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1714rE28600; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:04:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:04:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002f01c3ecef$613c8180$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <002f01c3ecef$613c8180$9715be18@oemcomputer> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:58:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Don Makoviney From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Portable waist-high table??? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1136006606==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1136006606==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Don wrote: > >I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is >acceptable also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects >while I stand playing live onstage. > At 3:24 PM -0500 2/6/04, Douglas Baldwin wrote: >Try a waiter/waitresses's bussing table. Hospital utility carts are good. http://directory.google.com/Top/Business/Healthcare/Products_and_Services/Medical_Equipment/Furniture/ If it doesn't need to be collapsible you can get work carts from Rubbermaid: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%5Fname=Work+Carts&Page=1 -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A --============_-1136006606==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Portable waist-high table???

Don wrote:
>I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is acceptable also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I stand playing live onstage.
 
At 3:24 PM -0500 2/6/04, Douglas Baldwin wrote:
Try a waiter/waitresses's bussing table.

Hospital utility carts are good.

http://directory.google.com/Top/Business/Healthcare/Products_and_Services/Medical_Equipment/Furniture/

If it doesn't need to be collapsible you can get work carts from Rubbermaid:

http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%5Fname=Work+Carts&Page=1
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--============_-1136006606==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 20:52:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i171nbQ02558; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:49:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:49:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <5f.44b1d016.2d559e24@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:49:24 EST Subject: OT: FS Lakewood M-32 Acoustic Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i171nbc02534 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there folks, Please pardon the spam. I ordinarily don't do this. However, I just though I'd let the list know that I had my favorite acoustic guitar for sale up on eBay. It pains me greatly to have to sell it but I need to pay some medical bills. It's tough getting old, let me tell you! I almost feel like I'm selling one of my kids. See all of the gory details at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3702807747&category=2385 I now return control of the information superhighway to you. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 21:13:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1729JO06995; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:09:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:09:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c3ed1f$a0c770a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <002f01c3ecef$613c8180$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Portable waist-high table??? Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:10:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3ECF5.B77BEA80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.138.101] at Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:09:17 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3ECF5.B77BEA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keyboard stand, a 2' by 4', and a saw. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Douglas Baldwin=20 To: Don Makoviney ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Portable waist-high table??? Don wrote: >I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is = acceptable also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I = stand playing live onstage.=20 Try a waiter/waitresses's bussing table. Back in the day, I nicked one = from the back of a catering hall, and used it for our PA head. Also a = collapsable tall stool works well. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3ECF5.B77BEA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Keyboard stand, a 2' by 4', and a = saw.
 
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Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 = 3:24=20 PM
Subject: Re: Portable = waist-high=20 table???

Don=20 wrote:
>I need a=20 table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is acceptable = also) for=20 putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I stand playing live = onstage.
 
Try = a=20 waiter/waitresses's bussing table. Back in the day, I nicked one from = the back=20 of a catering hall, and used it for our PA head. Also a collapsable = tall stool=20 works well.
Douglas = Baldwin,=20 coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net<= /SPAN>
 
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3ECF5.B77BEA80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 6 21:22:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i172Ftv08072; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:15:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:15:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533FA1@LON-MAIL07> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <80C003C0-5911-11D8-98DA-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: James Eric Williamson Subject: Re: Even More out of tune Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:01:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at grics.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 6, 2004, at 2:26 PM, asterion@hell.com wrote: > At 1:12 PM +0000 2/6/04, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > i personally am not interested in using non-diatonic-based tunings > > Please be aware that "diatonic" has no particular relationship to > "tuning." > > A diatonic scale is simply a set of seven pitches spanning an octave > and corresponding to the white keys on a piano (i.e. a pattern of > semitones 2-2-1-2-2-2-1). You can start the scale pattern on any of > its notes and you can transpose the scale to any of the 12 chronatic > tones. The tuning of the pitches themselves is arbitrary. Therefore > you can have diatonic scales in a variety of tunings, though most of > the time when people say "diatonic" they imply "twelve-tone > equal-tempered" tuning. i guess in my original response to someone's response to my response to someone's post, i should have further clarified by qualified "diatonic" with "western diatonic", or "plucked string overtone derived diatonic tuning/harmony systems". both of which imply a equal-tempered, well-tempered, just, pothagoryan, or other (say, Werckmeister) classic European tuning system. i do believe there is a significant amount of _consonant_ musical exploration to be had in non-equal tuning systems. next time i host/play a Robert Rich show i should talk his ear off about _that_. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 01:45:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i176bC324484; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 01:37:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 01:37:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:27:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Even More out of tune Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:01 PM -0600 2/6/04, James Eric Williamson wrote: >i guess in my original response to someone's response to my response >to someone's post, i should have further clarified... It's hard to infer context when subject lines change and when people quote prior messages without citing the original author. Therefore I responded to duncan's quoting of your message without reading the original (which was in the Slash thread). -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 10:16:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i17F7v011735; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:07:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:07:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040207150750.21365.qmail@web80208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 07:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: FS: oberheim efc7 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just bought another edp and i don't need the pedal as i use midi for control. 35 bucks plus shipping and it's yours. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 10:25:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i17FDim12649; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:13:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:13:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040207151338.34798.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 07:13:38 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: oberheim matrix1000 - opinions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2uqMVC.A.gFD.oCQJAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for the input...you and one other fellow have been pretty enthusiastic about the obi and very not enthusiastic about the emu (or their product line in general)...i really think the obi will serve my moderate synth needs. i think virtual analog is a great idea, but you get what you pay for. a $300 emu will sound decent at best and a $1300 access virus xl will sound stellar. do you know of any differences between the black and white models, aside from year of manufacture? i've read that there are no electrical differences. both have internal transformers, correct? no wall wart? thanks again. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 14:50:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i17JhIf25990; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:43:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:43:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040207194311.26515.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:43:11 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: RE: Even More out of tune To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200402062014.i16KE0A25701@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When approaching something as complex and variable as microtonal music, it helps to have a simple place to start from. The EMU line of sound modules does provide good user definable tuning tables IF you know what you're looking for. Kurzweil provides a different kind of tuning table, a bit easier to get around on, though octaves are automatically set to be in tune with each other. Problem with most microtonal ramblings is that it either requires a lot of background knowledge, or a curiosity coupled with naivite. There are thousands of texts available for the former, including a couple of highly disfunctional Yahoo tuning groups. For the latter, I find that a ribbon controller on a Kurzweil keyboard set to "absolute" (meaning that when you set the ribbon to change pitch +/- octave and you touch the far right side, the pitch will immediately jump up an octave) provides a very intuitive "way in" for anyone interested in exploring this world. Subtle microtonal shadings similar to a pitch wheel or more radical searches for meaningful intervals become available. Setting up a drone on one channel while playing with the ribbon on another channel is a very educational and useful place to start. I've mapped out my ribbon controller by marking up a piece of tape to show the various ratios (up to the 11 limit). I get pretty precise control of pitches this way and all I have to do is use some care when touching the ribbon. Kurzweil also makes (or used to make) the same ribbon controller that plugs into a brain that sends MIDI information to anything. Different PC and CC changes can be sent as well as initial entrance and exit values. Additionally, it sends as one long zone or splits into three smaller zones, each zone sending different information. Hooked up with the Repeater, this MIDI info can be applied to pitch, tempo, slip, volume, pan, or any of the MIDI programmable functions. I think it was called the "RibbonMate" or something. I used to have one but got rid of it when I bought a keyboard that had its own ribbon controller. Sounds like it would be great for doing what many people on this list are wanting to do... Stephen Duncan wrote: <<< Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i17KqHH05293; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:52:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:52:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040207194311.26515.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040207194311.26515.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 12:50:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: RE: Even More out of tune Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:43 AM -0800 2/7/04, S V G wrote: >The EMU line of sound modules does provide good user definable >tuning tables IF you know what you're looking for. Kurzweil >provides a different kind of tuning table, a bit easier to get >around on, though octaves are automatically set to be in tune with >each other. Different manufacturers approach tuning in different ways, most of which are limited. Aside from resolution issues are matters of whether an instrument offers full keyboard tuning (each key separately tuneable, not just repeating octave patterns) and whether a full keyboard tuning permits a full range of tuning per key (some instruments restrict the tuning to a small range above and below the nominal pitch of the key). Some Korg instruments seem better than most. Virtual instruments can offer a solution, but often offer their own limitations and frustrations. Absynth 2 seems good. >I find that a ribbon controller on a Kurzweil keyboard set to >"absolute" (meaning that when you set the ribbon to change pitch +/- >octave and you touch the far right side, the pitch will immediately >jump up an octave) provides a very intuitive "way in" Lippold Haken's Continuum Fingerboard is designed for this. Very expensive, though. > Kurzweil (... used to make) the same ribbon controller that >plugs into a brain that sends MIDI information...I think it was >called the "RibbonMate" or something. ExpressionMate. It was discontinued about a year ago. Not easy to find now. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 16:12:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i17L6xA08744; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:06:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:06:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 16:06:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Portable waist-high table??? From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c3ed1f$a0c770a0$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3159014817_48035" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3159014817_48035 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Exactly, plus a couple of big alligator-clip type clamps from a hardware store to keep the board and stand together. - dan -- ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com on 2/6/04 9:10 PM, David Kirkdorffer at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote: > Keyboard stand, a 2' by 4', and a saw. > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Douglas Baldwin >> To: Don Makoviney ; >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 3:24 PM >> Subject: Re: Portable waist-high table??? >> >> Don wrote: >>> >I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is >>> acceptable also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I >>> stand playing live onstage. >> >> Try a waiter/waitresses's bussing table. Back in the day, I nicked one from >> the back of a catering hall, and used it for our PA head. Also a collapsable >> tall stool works well. >> Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >> coyotelk@optonline.net >> > --B_3159014817_48035 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Portable waist-high table??? Exactly, plus a couple of big alligator-clip type clam= ps from a hardware store to keep the board and stand together.


- dan


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ghost 7 | Orange
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on 2/6/04 9:10 PM, David Kirkdorffer at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote:

Keyboard stand, a 2' b= y 4', and a saw.
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Baldwin <mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net>   To: Don Makoviney <mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com>  ; Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Portable waist-high table???

Don wrote:
>I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is accep= table also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I stand pl= aying live onstage.

Try a waiter/waitresses's bussing = table. Back in the day, I nicked one from the back of a catering hall, and u= sed it for our PA head. Also a collapsable tall stool works well.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net


--B_3159014817_48035-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 16:36:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i17LRnO11888; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:27:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:27:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4025585D.5090200@biink.com> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 16:27:57 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: tuning issues (was Re: Even More Slash....) References: <40218E23.5000309@biink.com> <73CF8CE6-5892-11D8-AE57-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> In-Reply-To: <73CF8CE6-5892-11D8-AE57-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric Williamson wrote: > On Feb 4, 2004, at 6:28 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > >> Eric Williamson wrote: >> >>> but yes, one of my favourite realities of music in the year 2004 is >>> that there is truly nothing new, as our musical opportunities are >>> limited by the overtone series of western instruments. >> >> Care to elaborate on that statement? Why limited? > > > ah i forgot about the microtonal aspect, reminded by your sig. > > i really should have clarified that with the word "diatonic" in > between "our" and "musical". > > i feel that diatonic music is limited by the integer-multiple overtone > series. there are only so many ways to string 7 (or 12, if you're into > tone rows and that sort of thing) notes together, and every time i try > to write a melody, i'm reminded of that. > > i personally am not interested in using non-diatonic-based tunings in > my music, because i don't feel that an appropriate enough combination > of interface, instrument, and price point exists yet to make me > interested in it. i'm not a guitarist, i'm a keyboardist. when i think > about Wendy's Alpha scale it makes my head spin. If I understand your comments, I get the impression that you think a microtonal scale has to have more than 12 notes. This is not the case. > an instrument i would really like to see that would get me into > microtuning would be a digital Hammond organ clone where the digital > tonewheels could be tuned to different scales. _That_ would get me > excited. especially if it had a "stretch" knob so i could finally play > an Hammond in proper tune with a piano! > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com That would take all the grease out of the organ! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 16:40:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i17LOJJ11413; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:24:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:24:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040207132325.051a7008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 13:26:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: REAKTOR 2.3 LOOPER PATCH In-Reply-To: <20040206115208.3519.qmail@web25203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20040206115208.3519.qmail@web25203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:42 PM 2/5/2004, DIEGO CASADAMON wrote: >HELLO I AM A GUITARRIST/COMPOSER AND PERFORMER OF LOOP BASED MUSIC.- >I READ VERY OFTEN LOOPERS DELAIGHT WEB PAGE . > NOW I WORK WITH REAKTOR, AND I PROGRAMED A PATCH FOR THIS PROGRAM WICH > IS CAPABLE TO MADE 6 LOOPS OF 20 SECONDS, THE PATCH IS FOR THE VERSION > 2.3 OF REKTOR BUT I WANT TO POST THIS FOR FREE IN THE PAGE FOR ANOTHER > LOOPERS MUSICIANS, IF YOU WAT THIS INSTRUMENT PLEASE LET ME KNOW.- Diego- you can post your reaktor patch in the file library section at Looper's Delight: http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ Can you tell us what Looping functions your patch has? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 17:18:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i17MBVQ19645; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:11:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:11:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4025629F.9050106@biink.com> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 17:11:43 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Even More out of tune References: <20040207194311.26515.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not getting all of my email messages (isp/virus problem), so I didn't see the other responses. Some comments: asterion@hell.com wrote: > At 11:43 AM -0800 2/7/04, S V G wrote: > >> The EMU line of sound modules does provide good user definable tuning >> tables IF you know what you're looking for. Kurzweil provides a >> different kind of tuning table, a bit easier to get around on, though >> octaves are automatically set to be in tune with each other. > > > Different manufacturers approach tuning in different ways, most of > which are limited. Aside from resolution issues are matters of whether > an instrument offers full keyboard tuning (each key separately > tuneable, not just repeating octave patterns) and whether a full > keyboard tuning permits a full range of tuning per key (some > instruments restrict the tuning to a small range above and below the > nominal pitch of the key). I have a Proteus/2 and AFAIK all of later EMU synths are still based on the same technology. Yes you can tune each key/note, but the tuning resolution isn't very good. It's too bad, a fine sounding synth. > > Some Korg instruments seem better than most. Very nice for tuning. I have a 05R/W that I've had for years that I'm using to write a string qt. I also have a MS2000R that sounds amazing, except since it's an analog modeling synth, they made it 4 voice! >On Feb 6, 2004, at 2:26 PM, asterion@hell.com wrote: >> At 1:12 PM +0000 2/6/04, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >> >> i personally am not interested in using non-diatonic-based tunings >> >> Please be aware that "diatonic" has no particular relationship to >> "tuning." >> >> A diatonic scale is simply a set of seven pitches spanning an octave >> and corresponding to the white keys on a piano (i.e. a pattern of >> semitones 2-2-1-2-2-2-1). You can start the scale pattern on any of >> its notes and you can transpose the scale to any of the 12 chronatic >> tones. The tuning of the pitches themselves is arbitrary. Therefore >> you can have diatonic scales in a variety of tunings, though most of >> the time when people say "diatonic" they imply "twelve-tone >> equal-tempered" tuning. Diatonic refers to a major scale/harmony. Suit and Tie Guy wrote: >i guess in my original response to someone's response to my response to >someone's post, i should have further clarified by qualified "diatonic" >with "western diatonic", or "plucked string overtone derived diatonic >tuning/harmony systems". both of which imply a equal-tempered, >well-tempered, just, pothagoryan, or other (say, Werckmeister) classic >European tuning system. You've got it backwards: just intonation and pythagorean tuning systems are from the naturally ocuring harmonic series, the others are adjustments to it so that there can be harmonic movement and modulation. > plucked string overtone derived The harmonic series. >i do believe there is a significant amount of _consonant_ musical >exploration to be had in non-equal tuning systems. Me too. > >next time i host/play a Robert Rich show i should talk his ear off >about _that_. When I met him at NAMM two years ago and later opened for him at the NYC Knitting Factory, we barely talked about it. BTW: here's a link to a tuning dictonary -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 17:51:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i17MosB26105; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:50:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:50:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 23:51:24 +0100 Subject: slightly OT: Lexicon LXP-1 vs. LXP-5, who remembers? From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: EeMz2oZpgemCezG2YadL9E0f01UzG3hhcBAh-6b8cbdhotRYoFq3oO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi bunch, I am looking for a reasonable and small reverb/delay unit (doesn't have to be able to loop, tho) and I heard that the long discontinued LXP-1 and LXP-5 thingies from Lexicon are still considered the best low budget units they have made. I wonder which is the one to pick up. How do they compare? I know that the LXP-1 has just reverbs and delays (like you cannot combine a delay with reverb, right?) and the LXP-5 is a little more effects oriented including pitch shifting (which I do not need). My main question is: does the sound quality of the reverb algo by the LXP-5 match that of the LXP-1? Any suggestions? Regards, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 17:58:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i17Mv0r27063; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:57:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:57:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40256D48.4080707@biink.com> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 17:57:12 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Zvonar CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Even More out of tune References: <20040207194311.26515.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> <4025629F.9050106@biink.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 5:11 PM -0500 2/7/04, David Beardsley wrote: > >> Diatonic refers to a major scale/harmony. > > > This is probably the most common usage of "diatonic" but is not > exclusively so. A natural minor scale is also diatonic, as are modes > that have the same interval pattern as the major scale (just starting > with a different step as the tonic). These are less common usages (and > are perhaps deemed "old fashioned" or even valid in some circles) but > they are nevertheless legitimate. You're right, but they ARE modes of the major scale. Old fashioned? The foundation of Jazz! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 19:10:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1807AZ06762; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:07:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:07:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:00:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Even More out of tune Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7Lg_ZD.A.jpB.u2XJAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:11 PM -0500 2/7/04, David Beardsley wrote: >Diatonic refers to a major scale/harmony. This is probably the most common usage of "diatonic" but is not exclusively so. A natural minor scale is also diatonic, as are modes that have the same interval pattern as the major scale (just starting with a different step as the tonic). These are less common usages (and are perhaps deemed "old fashioned" or even valid in some circles) but they are nevertheless legitimate. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 19:20:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i180HIj07971; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:17:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:17:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <40256D48.4080707@biink.com> References: <20040207194311.26515.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> <4025629F.9050106@biink.com> <40256D48.4080707@biink.com> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:06:09 -0800 To: db@biink.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Even More out of tune Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:57 PM -0500 2/7/04, David Beardsley wrote: >You're right, but they ARE modes of the major scale. True, but that's not exactly the same thing as saying that "diatonic"= the major scale. It's subtle and nit-picky but a worthy distinction to make. I prefer to think of a diatonic scale as a scale with a particular pattern of intervals, of which the most common (and one may choose to say the primary generative instantiation) is the major scale. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 19:25:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i180L9608625; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:21:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:21:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:21:02 +0100 Subject: Re: slightly OT: Lexicon LXP-1 vs. LXP-5, who remembers? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-mkgHD.A.nGC.0DYJAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-07 23.51, "Andreas Willers" wrote: > How do they compare? > LXP-1 > LXP-5 Hi Andreas, I have a LXP-5 that I like to play through with my live rig. I don't think it sounds good with the effect programs ("cheapish" harmonizer sounds) and I don't like the pure reverb or delay programs either. In fact I'm only using one of the LXP-5 programs but that one sounds very good to me. It's a "multi program", blending delay and reverb (a little less bright reverb algorithm compared to the dedicated reverb programs). On these two sound files you can hear the LXP-5 in action: http://www.looproom.com/audio/1noden.mp3 (guitar/sax) http://www.looproom.com/audio/Love_Me_Still_clip.mp3 (guitar/vocals) The LXP-1 I have only used for mixing in studios, during the nineties, and I found it better suited for drums. Best regards Per Boysen -- http://www.boysen.se Public Music Beta Testing http://www.looproom.com/p2p/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 19:48:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i180lLA12235; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:47:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:47:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40258726.9030802@biink.com> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:47:34 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Even More out of tune References: <20040207194311.26515.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> <4025629F.9050106@biink.com> <40256D48.4080707@biink.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com asterion@hell.com wrote: > At 5:57 PM -0500 2/7/04, David Beardsley wrote: > >> You're right, but they ARE modes of the major scale. > > > True, but that's not exactly the same thing as saying that "diatonic"= > the major scale. It's subtle and nit-picky but a worthy distinction to > make. I prefer to think of a diatonic scale as a scale with a > particular pattern of intervals, of which the most common (and one may > choose to say the primary generative instantiation) is the major scale. > In 12 tone equal temperament, IT IS THE SAME SCALE. There's no way anyone can spin it to make it look any different from reality. The diatonic scale (aka the major scale) has 7 modes. Learn it. Live with it. Realty. We were discussing tuning, someone gets their vocabulary tripped up and now we're off on trivial persuit. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 20:06:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1812r815744; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:02:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:02:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c3ede1$50a32700$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents The Anti-Gravity Machine Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:17:27 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Between Sets CD - "Sylvatica" by Sara Ayers (Dark Wood) A classic album of enigmatic soundscapes filled with loops and layers of Ayers' haunting voice - like the songs of falling angels. http://www.saraayers.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming February 17th - John Kameel Farah and Nik Beeson http://www.johnfarah.com http://www.nikbeeson.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Elegant and magical, Sahra Featherstone's self-titled release is a blissful journey through worlds of wonder & delight. Considered to be one of Canada's premier harpists, Sahra presents a combination of both traditional & contemporary pieces displaying her formidable talents, all of which blend together to create a thoroughly enjoyable listening experience. Opening with one of her own pieces, Joshua's Song, the listener is introduced to Sahra's mastery of the harp. Paired with minimal bass and guitar, the tones of the harp stand out as a distinct & emotional voice, resonating with a wonder all of it's own. A perfect beginning. Clergyman's Lament pairs cello and violin with the harp, creating one of the most beautiful works I've ever heard. The sense of loss, the sense of sadness in this piece is overwhelming in it's emotion and between you and I, it kinda brought tears to my eyes the first time I heard it. It's really that good. I mean really, it would have to be for me to admit to that. In contrast Funky Butterfly follows with a more playful sensibility, fingers dancing around the harp, a sense of optimism, hope, better futures inherent in the piece. Can't figure out why but this song has a strong sense of courtship, a feeling of first kisses and the revealing of secret smiles. Simply charming. L'Aube Dans les Yeux is another of Sahra's own songs, this time finding her accompanied by violin and guitar. I quite enjoy this one, it has a sense of environment and location that I find quite calming, relaxing. I imagine green rolling fields, a breeze lightly blowing through the leaves of majestic trees. Bliss. I particularly like King of the Fairies, a lively song building in tempo throughout it's course. Performed as a solo piece for harp it sets toes a-tappin' and heads a-bobbin' and I can only imagine what it would sound like in a live setting with a full band. So can you tell that I really Really REALLY like this disc? Sahra Featherstone has tapped into a particular magic with this disc, a beguiling quality that celebrates the wonders of life and the beauty of the world around us. It touches the soul and inspires the heart. It brings smiles and tears and it gets the toes tappin'. What more could you ask for? Sahra Featherstone's self-titled release is now available at ping things at http://www.pingthings.com rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Steve Roach is currently the Featured Artist at ping things. Visit http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm to read an exclusive interview with this master of the ambient genre. Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 7 20:30:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i181RHo18920; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:27:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:27:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <40258726.9030802@biink.com> References: <20040207194311.26515.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> <4025629F.9050106@biink.com> <40256D48.4080707@biink.com> <40258726.9030802@biink.com> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:23:24 -0800 To: db@biink.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Even More out of tune Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1135918862==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1135918862==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 7:47 PM -0500 2/7/04, David Beardsley wrote: >In 12 tone equal temperament, IT IS THE SAME SCALE. There's >no way anyone can spin it to make it look any different from reality. >The diatonic scale (aka the major scale) has 7 modes. > >Learn it. Live with it. Realty. > >We were discussing tuning, someone gets their vocabulary tripped up >and now we're off on trivial persuit. You're a microtonalist (and presumably a jazzer) and I'm not, so perhaps you learned music theory and terminology according to a different system from me. I'm following the definition of "scale" as I learned it in my college music classes (exclusively from a classical point of view), as it has been used in my subsequent musical activities, and as it is defined in Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians. My understanding is that a musical scale is not merely an ordered set of stepwise intervals, but that it also has reference to a tonic center. Therefore you have a C major scale or an Dorian scale on D, and so on. To state that the seven diatonic modes are all the same scale is to ignore the tonal context in which they are used. Perhaps you need to take this up with William Drabkin . He's the one who wrote the Grove's entry for "scale." -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A --============_-1135918862==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Even More out of tune
At 7:47 PM -0500 2/7/04, David Beardsley wrote:

In 12 tone equal temperament, IT IS THE SAME SCALE. There's
no way anyone can spin it to make it look any different from reality.
The diatonic scale (aka the major scale) has 7 modes.

Learn it. Live with it. Realty.

We were discussing tuning, someone gets their vocabulary tripped up
and now we're off on trivial persuit.

You're a microtonalist (and presumably a jazzer) and I'm not, so perhaps you learned music theory and terminology according to a different system from me. I'm following the definition of "scale" as I learned it in my college music classes (exclusively from a classical point of view), as it has been used in my subsequent musical activities, and as it is defined in Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians. My understanding is that a musical scale is not merely an ordered set of stepwise intervals, but that it also has reference to a tonic center. Therefore you have a C major scale or an Dorian scale on D, and so on. To state that the seven diatonic modes are all the same scale is to ignore the tonal context in which they are used.

Perhaps you need to take this up with William Drabkin <wmd@soton.ac.uk>. He's the one who wrote the Grove's entry for "scale."

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--============_-1135918862==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 8 11:58:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i18GnoS28412; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:49:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:49:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040208164944.18581.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 08:49:44 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Echoplex help! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040206132030.TKLM23539.fed1mtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi fellows, I just bought a used EDP and today i turned it on for the first time but the loop 4 intro keeps repeating over and over and all of the functions are locked.Anybody knows whats happening? thanx Louie ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 8 13:34:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i18ITsc11515; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:29:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:29:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040208182948.9323.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:29:48 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Even more IN tune To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200402072112.i17LCoL09761@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of "even more out of tune" and "horrible noise", anyone interested in tuning might want to check out this thing called Hermode Tuning. http://www.hermode.com/ It's available currently on many newer synths such as Access, Waldorf, and Native Instruments products. As someone who's been involved with microtonal music for 25 years or so, I can honestly say that this is the first thing I've seen come down the pike that holds real promise. Take a gander at their website. It's one of the best website designs that I've come across in ages. Highly informative and well written. Plus some musical examples that really show what all this talk is about. Of course there are limitations built into the system. If 12 tones per octave is your piece of cake, it's worth your while checking this out. The basic premise is that it analyzes a set of notes, either melodic or harmonic, and adjusts the tuning in real time, much like a string quartet does. It does so in a "natural" sounding way that sounded very real to my overly picky ears. You can set the amount of pitch change anywhere from 0 to full on Just Intonation. Some PR from the Access site... For centuries we have been playing musical instruments that are out of tune... Ever since the emergence of polyphonic instruments, including all keyboards as well as fretted instruments such as the lute and guitar, tuning has always been a compromise. Several attempts from the 16th-18th centuries to standardise the temperament (tuning) of church organs and virginals helped a little, but they were battling against the mighty laws of physics. First suggested in 1636, our modern “Equal Temperament” was only in common use from the late 18th century onwards because it was considered much too much of a compromise at the time. Despite it’s one advantage (the freedom to play in any key), Equal Temperament simply dilutes the fundamental problem, spreading it across all the notes in the octave. Experienced singers and string players use “just” intonation – they adapt to any keys and modulations (key changes) because they have infinitely variable control over pitch. Within certain limits, the pitch of wind instruments can also be varied by adjusting embouchure (lip position/tension). A group of musicians instinctively approaches a common overtone structure, minimizing the “friction” between all the voices in a chord. This results in the wonderfully rich but compact sound of symphony orchestras or gospel choirs. Unfortunately, real time intonation was not a feasible proposition for makers of keyboard instrument. Finding a usable method of performing fine adjustments to each and every note seemed physically impossible, especially when playing polyphonically. These days, digital musical instruments can automate this process. The Pure Tuning (aka. Hermode) algorithm analyses chords and immediately adjusts the pitch of each note so that the prominent harmonics line up. Especially for normal synthesizer sounds, the difference between Equal Temperament and Pure Tuning may appear to be rather subtle at first (though this difference can be accentuated – see below): Select the factory preset C126 (-Init-) on your Virus. Turn the Detune value down to 7 to make the phasing between the two oscillators nice and slow. Play a few simple major chords, or just a C-major triad if you prefer, and vary the PureTuning Intensity parameter. At 127, PureTuning is fully on: The chord is well intonated (like a choir) and does not exhibit any beating between notes. This may seem a little unusual at first, but it sounds perfectly “straight” and correct after you have familiarized yourself with the effect. Setting PureTuning back to zero (“Equal”) switches it off again: The chord is beating and, after comparing the two extremes, this original setting sound equally unusual. The chord now appears to be tuned rather oddly, not quite pure enough, slightly spoiled compared with the maximum setting. Astonishingly, this is the very same Equal Temperament we have been hearing all our lives... Cheers, Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 8 14:43:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i18Jb9j21095; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:37:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:37:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040208113805.031144d0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:38:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex help! In-Reply-To: <20040208164944.18581.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040206132030.TKLM23539.fed1mtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> <20040208164944.18581.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com try reseating the memory. it probably got bumped around in shipping. kim At 08:49 AM 2/8/2004, L. Angulo wrote: >Hi fellows, >I just bought a used EDP and today i turned it on for >the first time but the loop 4 intro keeps repeating >over and over and all of the functions are >locked.Anybody knows whats happening? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 8 15:32:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i18KQQb28054; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:26:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:26:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:27:21 +0100 Subject: RE: LXP-1 vs. LXP-5 From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: Z4a9eoZYQeL2MFLD-XGIGBBUxM7ObSo4aiDOM7sx6hNzmnergUIjrS Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, thanks for the input on those two lexicon boxes. Now, does the LXP-1 have such a "delay blends into reverb" algo as well or is it always either dry delay or straight reverb? Thanks in advance, Andreas P.S.: to be even more OT (sorry, sorry): anybody happening to be looking for a great sounding 1964 blond tolex Bassman amp, mail me off-list (location: Berlin, Germany) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 8 16:37:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i18LVWF05796; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 16:31:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 16:31:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:31:22 +0100 Subject: Re: LXP-1 vs. LXP-5 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-08 21.27, "Andreas Willers" wrote: > Hi Per, > > thanks for the input on those two lexicon boxes. Now, does the LXP-1 have > such a "delay blends into reverb" algo as well or is it always either dry > delay or straight reverb? I don't think the LXP-1 has such a good instrument reverb/delay multi program (as the LXP-5). Not as I remember it, from going through the banks in studios back in the early nineties. Best regards Per Boysen -- http://www.boysen.se Public Music Beta Testing http://www.looproom.com/p2p/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 8 19:23:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i190JlE30841; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:19:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:19:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:36:22 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Even More out of tune To: asterion@hell.com, db@biink.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004a01c3eea2$9b07d400$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's a floor wax! It's a dessert topping! Yo, my fellow scholar dudes and dudettes; Diatonic comes from "dia" (across) and "tonic" (tone or note) and refers to all the note combinations in a given group of notes. One may state with assurance that an F9 chord is not diatonic to E harmonic minor; or that D#dim7 IS diatonic to E harmonic minor. If you were Dicky Betts, soloing in your classic Dicky Betts hexatonic major scale, the major seventh would be non-diatonic. The equation of "diatonic" with "major" (and all of its modes) has come about because so many people use the term to refer ONLY to the major tonality. If this exclusive use continues, I will bow to popular pressure, but until then you're gonna have to pry the broader use of "diatonic" from my stiff, dead fingers. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 8 19:31:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i190SLx31824; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:28:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:28:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Even More out of tune Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 16:28:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <004a01c3eea2$9b07d400$9715be18@oemcomputer> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcPuon8KT0uAkARBRPWS+jIFdZPT/gAARBMg Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What does all this have to do with Slash's preferred choice in Top Hot :) -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:36 PM To: asterion@hell.com; db@biink.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Even More out of tune It's a floor wax! It's a dessert topping! Yo, my fellow scholar dudes and dudettes; Diatonic comes from "dia" (across) and "tonic" (tone or note) and refers to all the note combinations in a given group of notes. One may state with assurance that an F9 chord is not diatonic to E harmonic minor; or that D#dim7 IS diatonic to E harmonic minor. If you were Dicky Betts, soloing in your classic Dicky Betts hexatonic major scale, the major seventh would be non-diatonic. The equation of "diatonic" with "major" (and all of its modes) has come about because so many people use the term to refer ONLY to the major tonality. If this exclusive use continues, I will bow to popular pressure, but until then you're gonna have to pry the broader use of "diatonic" from my stiff, dead fingers. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 9 06:50:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i19BmUi27510; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:48:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:48:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1076327302!7973528 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533FAC@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ribbon controllers (was Even More out of tune) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:15:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3EEFD.F9AFA400" Resent-Message-ID: <3NJAY.A.otG.NO3JAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EEFD.F9AFA400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Kurzweil (... used to make) the same ribbon controller that >plugs into a brain that sends MIDI information...I think it was >called the "RibbonMate" or something. ExpressionMate. It was discontinued about a year ago. Not easy to find now.<< doepfer have a model available currently, with either cv/gate or midi brain, and scalable position and pressure outputs mappable to midi note &c. http://www.doepfer.de/ duncan/r.m.i. P.S: >>At 1:12 PM +0000 2/6/04, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: i personally am not interested in using non-diatonic-based tunings Please be aware that "diatonic" has no particular relationship to "tuning."/<< no I didn't- that was someone else's quote I was quoting. my version of the same sentiment used shorter words! *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>      Kurzweil (... used to = make) the same ribbon controller that
>plugs into a brain that sends MIDI information...I t= hink it was
>called the "RibbonMate" or something.

ExpressionMate. It was discontinued about a year ago. Not= easy to find now.<<

doepfer have a model available currently, with either cv/= gate or midi brain, and scalable position and pressure outputs mappable to = midi note &c.  http://www.doepfer.de/

duncan/r.m.i.


P.S:
>>At 1:12 PM +0000 2/6/04, goddard.duncan@mtvne.co= m wrote:
i personally am not interested in using non-diatonic-bas= ed tunings
Please be aware that "diatonic" has no particu= lar relationship to "tuning."/<<

no I didn't- that was someone else's quote I was quoting.= my version of the same sentiment used shorter words!



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EEFD.F9AFA400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 9 07:04:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i19C0Jk30160; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 07:00:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 07:00:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1076328010!7945592 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533FAD@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: waist-high gear Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:24:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3EEFF.3714B140" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EEFF.3714B140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is acceptable also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I stand playing live onstage << a frequent practical issue, this, with non-stomp-box devices that need tweaking during a performance.... if the device in question is compact and light enough, it may be possible to attach it to the removable wedge-plate of a small camcorder tripod- the smallest one you can get that can be adjusted is adequate for most on-stage purposes. I am astonished not to have seen wider use of these tripods- we paid something like $30 for one about eight years ago and our guitarist's jam-man has never left the thing or (more to the point) fallen over. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EEFF.3714B140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: waist-high gear

 >> I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a litt= le larger or smaller is acceptable also) for putting a couple of hand contr= olled effects while I stand playing live onstage <<

a frequent practical issue, this, with non-stomp-box devi= ces that need tweaking during a performance.... if the device in question i= s compact and light enough, it may be possible to attach it to the removabl= e wedge-plate of a small camcorder tripod- the smallest one you can get tha= t can be adjusted is adequate for most on-stage purposes. I am astonished n= ot to have seen wider use of these tripods- we paid something like $30 for = one about eight years ago and our guitarist's jam-man has never left the th= ing or (more to the point) fallen over.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3EEFF.3714B140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 9 09:14:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i19EBNi14623; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:11:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:11:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "AvgJoe" To: Subject: RE: waist-high gear Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:11:08 -0500 Message-ID: <006101c3ef16$90654220$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3EEEC.A78F3A20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533FAD@LON-MAIL07> Resent-Message-ID: <1DW42D.A.ZkD.LU5JAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3EEEC.A78F3A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have this adjustable mixer stand that might work well for this. It's = got a 5 point caster stance which I believe are lockable. Stable and handy. = Here's a link to one I just found: =20 http://www.zzounds.com/item--MUPMIX400 -----Original Message----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com]=20 Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 6:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: waist-high gear >> I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is acceptable also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I stand playing live onstage << a frequent practical issue, this, with non-stomp-box devices that need tweaking during a performance.... if the device in question is compact = and light enough, it may be possible to attach it to the removable = wedge-plate of a small camcorder tripod- the smallest one you can get that can be adjusted is adequate for most on-stage purposes. I am astonished not to = have seen wider use of these tripods- we paid something like $30 for one = about eight years ago and our guitarist's jam-man has never left the thing or (more to the point) fallen over. duncan/r.m.i.=20 *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************= ** ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3EEEC.A78F3A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I have=20 this adjustable mixer stand that might work well for this. It's got a 5 = point=20 caster stance which I believe are lockable. Stable and handy. Here's a = link to=20 one I just found:
 
http://www.zzounds.com/it= em--MUPMIX400
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 >> I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a = little=20 larger or smaller is acceptable also) for putting a couple of hand = controlled=20 effects while I stand playing live onstage <<

a frequent practical issue, this, with non-stomp-box = devices=20 that need tweaking during a performance.... if the device in question = is=20 compact and light enough, it may be possible to attach it to the = removable=20 wedge-plate of a small camcorder tripod- the smallest one you can get = that can=20 be adjusted is adequate for most on-stage purposes. I am astonished = not to=20 have seen wider use of these tripods- we paid something like $30 for = one about=20 eight years ago and our guitarist's jam-man has never left the thing = or (more=20 to the point) fallen over.

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 ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3EEEC.A78F3A20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 9 13:28:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i19IMUK17611; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:22:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:22:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:22:15 EST Subject: Re: waist-high gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1076350935" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 Resent-Message-ID: <7Lq2_B.A.ETE.m_8JAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1076350935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you might try a keyboard stand... i know it does not fit many of the parimeters you mentioned... but you could attatch a thin peic of wood to it to procide a surface to apply your components too.. i suggested this to the drummer i play with for his air synth mixer and drum brain, and he loves it! -------------------------------1076350935 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
you might try a keyboard stand...
 
i know it does not fit many of the parimeters you mentioned...
 
but you could attatch a thin peic of wood to it to procide a surface to= apply your components too..
 
i suggested this to the drummer i play with for his air synth mixer and= drum brain, and he loves it!
-------------------------------1076350935-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 9 18:25:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i19NKNi31768; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:20:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:20:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <96.2f32150.2d596fae@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:20:14 EST Subject: OT: Digging DT's "The Order" sountrack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i19NKM631742 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I just got this disc in the mail from Amazon today. After having it unsuccessfully on backorder from a local record shop for a couple of weeks. Let me tell you, it's a terrific CD! It may (or may not) be all that "loopy" in-and-of itself, but since Mr. Torn is an ocassional contributor to this list I figured it would be of some interest. It's not quite like any other disk in my collection -- even other Torn discs. I highly recommend it to any and all interested parties. BTW, I have not seen the movie yet. So I cannot speak to that aspect. But the record works pretty darn well on it's own. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 9 19:11:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1A05sd06061; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:05:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:05:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c3ef6b$b45ae220$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <20040207151338.34798.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: oberheim matrix1000 - opinions Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:20:36 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <-9UigB.A.leB.iBCKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Matrix 1000 has an internal power supply but (as discussed here last fall) when you're checking one out, pay attention to its level of mechanical hum from the power supply. Some are *quite* loud. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" To: Sent: Saturday, 07 February, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: oberheim matrix1000 - opinions > thanks for the input...you and one other fellow have > been pretty enthusiastic about the obi and very not > enthusiastic about the emu (or their product line in > general)...i really think the obi will serve my > moderate synth needs. i think virtual analog is a > great idea, but you get what you pay for. a $300 emu > will sound decent at best and a $1300 access virus xl > will sound stellar. > > do you know of any differences between the black and > white models, aside from year of manufacture? i've > read that there are no electrical differences. both > have internal transformers, correct? no wall wart? > > thanks again. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 9 20:03:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1A10IZ14869; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:00:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:00:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011a01c3ef71$413410e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200402100011.i1A0BAp06621@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: waist high gear Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 17:00:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another solution that I'm surprised not to have heard about so far is that percussionists have many different sizes of 'tray's to choose from that either attach to cymbal stands or to drum rack stands. Just go to Latin Percussion, Toca Percussion, Pearl Percussion, Yamaha Percussion of Meinly percussion sites to find out what's available. Normally, cymbal and drum rack equipment is prohibitively expensive, but I see cymbal stands every week at the Santa Cruz flea market from $10 - $50. I'm really surprised that some one really enterprising hasn't started to explore this market. The fact of the matter is that they are making backpacks that hold a hundred pounds that use materials that only weigh a few ounces. It seems like some of this technology could be used to start inventing versatile and collapsible stands for stage shows. The mixer stand that someone suggested is really cool but it doesn't collapse and weighs a ton which just doesn't work if you are getting around in a small car like I am. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 9 20:24:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1A1KYN17361; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:20:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:20:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Subject: EDP sync issues Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:16:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040210011628.SCUQ13848.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, To those who have tried to sync the EDP to the midi clock of a different device (i.e. sequencer, drum machine, etc): Have you ever experienced issues where the EDP and the pattern being played drift out of sync? I'm finding this to be the case with my EDP getting it's clock from my Emu PX7. I have the LoopIV update as well. It takes a while for this to happen, just a very minor change, but it eventually grows large enough to be distracting (after a couple of minutes). Anyone seen this or is this a PX7 issue? Thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 9 20:39:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1A1Z9p18991; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:35:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:35:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c3ef76$1a0e25a0$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <20040210011628.SCUQ13848.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Subject: Re: EDP sync issues Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 17:34:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: Daveg X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: dave@unpronounceable.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: daveg.lyris.com [216.91.56.160] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > To those who have tried to sync the EDP to the midi clock of a different device (i.e. sequencer, drum machine, etc): > > Have you ever experienced issues where the EDP and the pattern being played drift out of sync? Yeah, I've noticed that on occasion. My drummer and I both play to a click track from a drum machine which I use to sync up my EDP+. Every now and then, we find that the loop has gone out of sync with the drum machine. > I'm finding this to be the case with my EDP getting it's clock from my Emu PX7. I have the LoopIV update as well. > > It takes a while for this to happen, just a very minor change, but it eventually grows large enough to be distracting (after a couple of minutes). I don't know if this is due to the length of time that we play or some other factor such as excessive overdub/undo/overdub/undo ... stuff which occasionally results in some real strangeness. I should do some tests to see if it's a time factor or something else. Sincerely, Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 9 20:42:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1A1bsW19229; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:37:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:37:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c3ef76$73e87760$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <200402100011.i1A0BAp06621@hemlock.violacea.com> <011a01c3ef71$413410e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: waist high gear Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:37:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, Great post, and I've considered it myself. I'm by no means a craftsman, but I do know what I like. :) It seems like common-sense ideas/products for modern performance styles are hard to find. For instance, I wonder why there's not a whole series of shelves, platforms, tabletops, etc. that simply screw on to 1 or more mic stands? Mic stands are ubiquitous in the live performance world. Every live music venue has one. For larger/heavier applications, one could offer something that uses 2 or 3 or 4 mic stands as it's base, and has free-turning sleeves to screw down onto the stand. Am I missing something, or is this non-existant? For what it's worth, I've tried different things as easily portable "tables", and I'm sticking with keyboard x-stands for now. I can carry 1 x-stand and a 24x16 piece of plywood, and I've got a sturdy, relatively unobtrusive table for my rack to sit on close to me. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: waist high gear > Another solution that I'm surprised not to have heard about so far is > that percussionists have many different sizes of 'tray's to choose from that > either attach to cymbal stands or to drum rack stands. Just go to Latin > Percussion, Toca Percussion, > Pearl Percussion, Yamaha Percussion of Meinly percussion sites to find out > what's available. > > Normally, cymbal and drum rack equipment is prohibitively expensive, but I > see cymbal stands every week at the Santa Cruz flea market from $10 - $50. > > I'm really surprised that some one really enterprising hasn't started to > explore this market. > The fact of the matter is that they are making backpacks that hold a hundred > pounds that use materials that only weigh a few ounces. > > It seems like some of this technology could be used to start inventing > versatile and collapsible stands > for stage shows. The mixer stand that someone suggested is really cool > but it doesn't collapse and > weighs a ton which just doesn't work if you are getting around in a small > car like I am. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 9 21:30:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1A2S7526067; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 21:28:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 21:28:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c3ef8e$942038c0$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20040210011628.SCUQ13848.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <000401c3ef76$1a0e25a0$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> Subject: Re: EDP sync issues Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 21:30:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have experienced the same kinds of problems. I heard talk on this list that during Overdub operations the EDP is not listening to MIDI Clock sync messages, so if you leave it in Overdub for an extended period it may drift out of time. What I do is to keep a MIDI controller handy that is capable of sending the ReAlign command to the EDP, which restarts the loop at the next MIDI clock cycle point. That is, the next bar line (assuming your sequencer or pattern is in 4/4, and you have 8th/Cycle set to 8). After I do a long overdub, I just send a ReAlign message and provided the MIDI Clock isn't being really wobbly that day, the EDP usually syncs back up just fine. There may be a way to access this command from the front panel, as well. Can't remember. I just have a button on my foot controller set to send it. I don't know if this piece of information has any bearing on your situation, but I have found in Cakewalk Sonar that if you select, say, the first two measures of a sequence to loop, Sonar selects the time from 01:01:000 through 02:01:000, which eventually causes the EDP to drift out of sync. I have to manually change the selection to be 01:01:000 through 01:04:119 to get it to stay in sync indefinitely. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "David J. Grossman" To: Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: Re: EDP sync issues > > To those who have tried to sync the EDP to the midi clock of a different > device (i.e. sequencer, drum machine, etc): > > > > Have you ever experienced issues where the EDP and the pattern being > played drift out of sync? > > Yeah, I've noticed that on occasion. My drummer and I both play to a click > track from a drum machine which I use to sync up my EDP+. Every now and > then, we find that the loop has gone out of sync with the drum machine. > > > I'm finding this to be the case with my EDP getting it's clock from my Emu > PX7. I have the LoopIV update as well. > > > > It takes a while for this to happen, just a very minor change, but it > eventually grows large enough to be distracting (after a couple of minutes). > > I don't know if this is due to the length of time that we play or some other > factor such as excessive overdub/undo/overdub/undo ... stuff which > occasionally results in some real strangeness. I should do some tests to see > if it's a time factor or something else. > > Sincerely, > > Dave > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 9 22:07:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1A36F332012; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:06:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:06:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c3ef93$e83e8bf0$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: EDP memory replay weirdness... Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:08:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am getting some seemingly erratic behavior from the EDP right now. I am playing with Reverse, Forward, and Retrigger, and sometimes for no apparent reason it begins playing back through the contents of its memory and I am hearing loops that I was playing with before the last General Reset I did. I understand loop windowing as a feature, but it shouldn't be able to get to material that existed prior to a General Reset, right? I am also not doing any kind of Multiply/Undo maneuver. Just Reverse, Forward, and Retrigger, rhythmically. Anyone else have this kind of behavior/problem? Or is this one of those instances where it is just best to "take off the lid and reseat the RAM." and hope that it goes away... -J P.S. I can send Parameters, if required... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 9 23:57:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1A4sHA12777; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:54:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:54:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP memory replay weirdness... Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:54:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <003701c3ef93$e83e8bf0$0200a8c0@amd> Thread-Index: AcPvg7j/ja3mNxEKQ4a9oidkr6Ta0gADbGcg Message-Id: <20040210045409.FWTD2425.fed1mtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like to call this feature, "What the hell was that?" This has been mentioned on the list before, I don't think there is a solution, save, "Don't do that anymore." The material that was part of a previous loop is still in RAM until you replace it or reboot--so just try to enjoy it 8^) and definitely pretend you meant to do it! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP memory replay weirdness... I am getting some seemingly erratic behavior from the EDP right now. I am playing with Reverse, Forward, and Retrigger, and sometimes for no apparent reason it begins playing back through the contents of its memory and I am hearing loops that I was playing with before the last General Reset I did. I understand loop windowing as a feature, but it shouldn't be able to get to material that existed prior to a General Reset, right? I am also not doing any kind of Multiply/Undo maneuver. Just Reverse, Forward, and Retrigger, rhythmically. Anyone else have this kind of behavior/problem? Or is this one of those instances where it is just best to "take off the lid and reseat the RAM." and hope that it goes away... -J P.S. I can send Parameters, if required... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 10 00:24:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1A5KZW17068; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:20:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:20:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040209211907.034c3340@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:22:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP sync issues In-Reply-To: <002f01c3ef8e$942038c0$0200a8c0@amd> References: <20040210011628.SCUQ13848.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <000401c3ef76$1a0e25a0$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> <002f01c3ef8e$942038c0$0200a8c0@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:30 PM 2/9/2004, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >I heard talk on this list that during Overdub operations the EDP is not >listening to MIDI Clock sync messages, so if you leave it in Overdub for an >extended period it may drift out of time. that is correct. same with leaving feedback turned down, or leaving it in delay mode. In order to prevent glitches and artifacts from getting into the loop, the Echoplex can't make sync corrections during those times. Every now and then you need to turn overdub off for a cycle or two until you see the sync correction LED. I believe this is in the manual. >What I do is to keep a MIDI controller handy that is capable of sending the >ReAlign command to the EDP, which restarts the loop at the next MIDI clock >cycle point. That is, the next bar line (assuming your sequencer or pattern >is in 4/4, and you have 8th/Cycle set to 8). After I do a long overdub, I >just send a ReAlign message and provided the MIDI Clock isn't being really >wobbly that day, the EDP usually syncs back up just fine. > >There may be a way to access this command from the front panel, as well. >Can't remember. I just have a button on my foot controller set to send it. 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I don't know at all what to expect really, but it might be of interest to some folks who've been discussing laptops and looping techniques. ==== silk city - 5th & spring garden sts. Wed 2/25 from 9pm-2am, battle from 10pm-1am. there will be a dj playing the hour before and after the battle. From: "dev79" Subject: [Philly_ambient] Phila. 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-------------------------------1076400478-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 10 08:42:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1ADbPu11075; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:37:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:37:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:35:02 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Digging DT's "The Order" sountrack X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20040210.053601.484.178534@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2496340593 Resent-Message-ID: <5IXRT.A.4sC.U6NKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I watched the movie over the weekend and it was OK but the soundtrack was great! Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 10 11:42:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1AGYI113119; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:34:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:34:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:34:17 -0500 Subject: Anybody seen any echoplexes in stores? Need to buy immediately From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3159257657_2525279" Resent-Message-ID: <8p5MCD.A.4MD.KgQKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3159257657_2525279 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi everybody, Seems everyone is backordered on new blackface Gibson EDPs. Has anyone seen any in stores? Your assistance would be greatly appreciated. Best, Todd Reynolds --B_3159257657_2525279 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Anybody seen any echoplexes in stores? Need to buy immediately</TITL= E> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Palatino"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:14.0px'>Hi everybody,<BR> <BR> Seems everyone is backordered on new blackface Gibson EDPs.  <BR> <BR> Has anyone seen any in stores?  Your assistance would be greatly appre= ciated.<BR> <BR> Best,<BR> <BR> Todd Reynolds<BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT> </BODY> </HTML> --B_3159257657_2525279-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 10 12:16:54 2004 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1AH9i906550; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:09:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:09:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <tarbit@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.159.172.52] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com From: "Louis Rossi" <tarbit@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Anybody seen any echoplexes in stores? Need to buy immediately Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:09:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <BAY8-F79UuMSe7fpAdA00002d78@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2004 17:09:38.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA2B7B10:01C3EFF8] Resent-Message-ID: <rbNPDD.A.OmB.YBRKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/40796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have never seen a new EDP in a store BUT I just spotted a used 'Obie' one w/ its foot switch for $699. It was at Two Lines music (dr. sound). Cheers LOU >From: todd reynolds <toddreynolds@rcn.com> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >Subject: Anybody seen any echoplexes in stores? Need to buy immediately >Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:34:17 -0500 > >Hi everybody, > >Seems everyone is backordered on new blackface Gibson EDPs. > >Has anyone seen any in stores? Your assistance would be greatly >appreciated. > >Best, > >Todd Reynolds > > _________________________________________________________________ Get some great ideas here for your sweetheart on Valentine's Day - and beyond. http://special.msn.com/network/celebrateromance.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 10 12:49:24 2004 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1AHYpa23353; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:34:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:34:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <mcintyre@mail.pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: <4029154D.2000503@pa.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:30:53 -0500 From: John McIntyre <mcintyre@pa.msu.edu> Reply-To: mcintyre@pa.msu.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: waist high gear References: <200402100011.i1A0BAp06621@hemlock.violacea.com> <011a01c3ef71$413410e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <003901c3ef76$73e87760$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> In-Reply-To: <003901c3ef76$73e87760$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3guV5.A.wsF.7YRKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/40797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug Cox wrote: >For instance, I wonder why there's not a whole series of shelves, platforms,tabletops, etc. that simply screw on to 1 or more mic stands? Am I missing something, or is this non-existant? > > > It's not non-existant as I bought two of them. Alas, the problem is that the support point is right at the mic stand and it is extremely easy to exceed the load capacity, causing the stand to collapse. Very limited and not at all what I'd been hoping for. John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 10 13:22:07 2004 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1AIH2I20498; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:17:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:17:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <popperwell@iname.com> X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:16:29 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> Subject: RE: waist-high gear In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533FAD@LON-MAIL07> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <ECOWS04M94GBQTmReoz00001718@smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2004 18:16:54.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FEF2EC0:01C3F002] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i1AIH0620471 Resent-Message-ID: <4c9IZB.A.HAF.eASKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/40798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I like this Camcorder idea as a possible stand for my Kaos pad (KP2), anybody tried it? At 11:24 09/02/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >  >> I need a table, maybe 2'x2' square (a little larger or smaller is > acceptable also) for putting a couple of hand controlled effects while I > stand playing live onstage << > > a frequent practical issue, this, with non-stomp-box devices that need > tweaking during a performance.... if the device in question is compact and > light enough, it may be possible to attach it to the removable wedge-plate of > a small camcorder tripod- the smallest one you can get that can be adjusted > is adequate for most on-stage purposes. I am astonished not to have seen > wider use of these tripods- we paid something like $30 for one about eight > years ago and our guitarist's jam-man has never left the thing or (more to > the point) fallen over. > > duncan/r.m.i. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *************************************************************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 10 14:26:28 2004 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1AJJDT23737; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:19:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:19:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <danioore@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [142.177.185.97] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danioore@hotmail.com From: "Dani Oore" <danioore@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Anybody seen any echoplexes in stores? Need to buy immediately Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:19:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <Law10-F890OPbgCOdM4000184cd@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2004 19:19:07.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[C105AE20:01C3F00A] Resent-Message-ID: <cq1mc.A.yyF.x6SKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/40799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i bought a new edp from alto music .com >From: "Louis Rossi" <tarbit@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Anybody seen any echoplexes in stores? Need to buy immediately >Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:09:38 -0500 > >I have never seen a new EDP in a store BUT I just spotted a used 'Obie' one >w/ its foot switch for $699. It was at Two Lines music (dr. sound). > >Cheers >LOU > > > >>From: todd reynolds <toddreynolds@rcn.com> >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >>Subject: Anybody seen any echoplexes in stores? Need to buy immediately >>Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:34:17 -0500 >> >>Hi everybody, >> >>Seems everyone is backordered on new blackface Gibson EDPs. >> >>Has anyone seen any in stores? Your assistance would be greatly >>appreciated. >> >>Best, >> >>Todd Reynolds >> >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get some great ideas here for your sweetheart on Valentine's Day - and >beyond. http://special.msn.com/network/celebrateromance.armx > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 10 14:28:06 2004 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1AJODX26778; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:24:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:24:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <paul_sanders@adelphia.net> From: "AvgJoe" <paul_sanders@adelphia.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: EDP sync issues Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:23:20 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c3f00b$57dcf1f0$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040209211907.034c3340@loopers-delight.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i1AJOD626752 Resent-Message-ID: <Pkz6ZB.A.RiG.d_SKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/40800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:22 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP sync issues > > > At 08:30 PM 2/9/2004, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > >I heard talk on this list that during Overdub operations the > EDP is not > >listening to MIDI Clock sync messages, so if you leave it in Overdub > >for an extended period it may drift out of time. > > that is correct. same with leaving feedback turned down, or > leaving it in > delay mode. In order to prevent glitches and artifacts from > getting into > the loop, the Echoplex can't make sync corrections during > those times. > Every now and then you need to turn overdub off for a cycle > or two until > you see the sync correction LED. > > I believe this is in the manual. > > >What I do is to keep a MIDI controller handy that is capable > of sending > >the ReAlign command to the EDP, which restarts the loop at the next > >MIDI clock cycle point. That is, the next bar line (assuming your > >sequencer or pattern is in 4/4, and you have 8th/Cycle set to 8). > >After I do a long overdub, I just send a ReAlign message and > provided > >the MIDI Clock isn't being really wobbly that day, the EDP usually > >syncs back up just fine. > > > >There may be a way to access this command from the front panel, as > >well. Can't remember. I just have a button on my foot > controller set > >to send it. > > Mute-Multiply. Thought I'd update you all in case anyone references this in the future: On sequence I'd been playing around with realign didn't get me back in sync (Mute-Multiply). I thought that SURELY this isn't the normal behavior of this box, if so how could so many love it so much?! So, I tried one of the factory sequences on my PX7 and it seems to be locked like ugly on an ape. The sequence I'd done I'd create in Nuendo and downloaded it into the PX7. So, I guess I need ot upload a factory sequence and figure out what control or note is being sent to give me the right sync with the pattern. Thanks for the help on this. Paul > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 10 16:12:06 2004 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1AL2UE17271; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:02:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:02:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <manecolooper@darksites.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:02:28 -0800 (PST) From: Juan Urquhart <manecolooper@darksites.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: waist high gear Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [200.40.68.124] Message-Id: <20040210210229.118DB39A2@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <Azf-bB.A.wNE.mbUKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/40801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i ended using one of thos x-shaped keybard stands,and a small case built for my waist-high gear... my creations... http://manecolooper.tripod.com my music... http://rendher.tripod.com --- John McIntyre <mcintyre@pa.msu.edu> wrote: Doug Cox wrote: >For instance, I wonder why there's not a whole series of shelves, platforms,tabletops, etc. that simply screw on to 1 or more mic stands? Am I missing something, or is this non-existant? > > > It's not non-existant as I bought two of them. Alas, the problem is that the support point is right at the mic stand and it is extremely easy to exceed the load capacity, causing the stand to collapse. Very limited and not at all what I'd been hoping for. John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu _____________________________________________________________ Free email service provided by http://www.darksites.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 10 17:46:22 2004 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1AMcGr28544; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:38:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:38:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <ghunicycle@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040210223814.40351.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:38:14 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House <ghunicycle@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: waist-high gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <d8.2f059e1.2d5929d7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <ZsJAIC.A.29G.Y1VKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/40802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- BEEsignature9@aol.com wrote: > you might try a keyboard stand... > > i know it does not fit many of the parimeters you mentioned... > > but you could attatch a thin peic of wood to it to procide a surface to apply > your components too.. How about an ironing board? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 10 17:55:57 2004 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1AMnrF01618; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:49:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:49:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <stanitarium@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:49:27 -0800 Subject: Re: waist-high gear From: <stanitarium@earthlink.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Message-ID: <BC4E9FF7.D470%stanitarium@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <20040210223814.40351.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <INgeuB.A.JZ.RAWKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/40803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i was thinkin more along the lines of a surfboard(or boogeeboard) on some milk crates...but hey, thats just me. stanaranium > > --- BEEsignature9@aol.com wrote: >> you might try a keyboard stand... >> >> i know it does not fit many of the parimeters you mentioned... >> >> but you could attatch a thin peic of wood to it to procide a surface to apply >> your components too.. > > How about an ironing board? > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 10 20:13:59 2004 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1B19cc13951; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:09:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:09:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <squidloop@thetentacle.org> Reply-To: <squidloop@thetentacle.org> From: "| SquidLoop |" <squidloop@thetentacle.org> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: Anybody seen any echoplexes in stores? 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Alto music had a few blondes a while back with loop III. http://www.altomusic.com/ _____ From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 8:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anybody seen any echoplexes in stores? Need to buy immediately Hi everybody, Seems everyone is backordered on new blackface Gibson EDPs. Has anyone seen any in stores? Your assistance would be greatly appreciated. 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Hi everybody,

Seems everyone is backordered on new blackface Gibson EDPs.  

Has anyone seen any in stores?  Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Best,

Todd Reynolds

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3EFF8.AB5CA810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 02:20:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1B7HQI24608; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:17:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:17:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: <132.2a74867e.2d5b30fb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:17:15 EST Subject: Re: waist-high gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1076483834" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1076483834 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/10/2004 3:39:39 PM Mountain Standard Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: How about an ironing board? Greg now that would be pretty hip! ;) -------------------------------1076483834 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/10/2004 3:39:39 PM Mountain Standard Time, ghunicy= cle@yahoo.com writes:
How about an ironing board?

Greg=
 
 
now that would be pretty hip!
 
;)
-------------------------------1076483834-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 02:21:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1B7ICL25142; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:18:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:18:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: <159.2d7bb516.2d5b3127@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:17:59 EST Subject: Re: waist-high gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1076483879" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1076483879 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/10/2004 3:39:39 PM Mountain Standard Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: How about an ironing board? Greg you just handed me a great idea for a guitar repair work bench that i could put away! -------------------------------1076483879 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/10/2004 3:39:39 PM Mountain Standard Time, ghunicy= cle@yahoo.com writes:
How about an ironing board?

Greg=
 
 
you just handed me a great idea for a guitar repair work bench that i c= ould put away!
-------------------------------1076483879-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 02:46:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1B7h1111044; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:43:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:43:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Beck Subject: FS: Electrix Repeater Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:42:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey looper list, i have an electrix repeater for sale. barely used, been sitting in a box for a couple of years. i bought it right as they were released, used it for an hour, and not since. it's got a 16MB card in it. never updated the software. thought i'd mention it here before putting it up on ebay. $750, not including shipping. i have the original box, but can't seem to find the manual. however, the manual is still available from electrix's web site (www.electrixpro.com) thanks for your interest -chris beck From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 03:32:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1B8UHS30979; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 03:30:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 03:30:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:16:03 -0800 Subject: Re: waist high gear From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003901c3ef76$73e87760$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PVC. (Probably not good for really heavy stuff though.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 07:06:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1BC26K02539; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:02:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:02:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:02:05 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: waist high gear To: "loop.pool" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003f01c3f097$0d48ab20$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <011a01c3ef71$413410e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick The Walker wrote: > Another solution that I'm surprised not to have heard about so far is > that percussionists have many different sizes of 'tray's to choose from that > either attach to cymbal stands or to drum rack stands. D'oh! I don't know how this passed me by, except that my loop gear is temporarily packed up, but I have my modded Lexicon PCM 42 (single rack space device) mounted in a 2-rack space road case, which in turn is screwed onto a home-made piece of hardware that fits into a heavy cymbal stand with a rotating locking gear. I set it up to just the right height, just the right angle, and I can wring and tweak those knobbies till they hurt! Yes! Heavy cymbal stands work great! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 07:51:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1BClRJ12420; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:47:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:47:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1076503641!7731862 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533FE9@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: waist-high gear Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:48:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F09D.6B022420" Resent-Message-ID: <5k-LuB.A.-BD.fRiKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F09D.6B022420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I like this Camcorder idea as a possible stand for my Kaos pad (KP2), anybody tried it?<< I used the same tripod idea for my notron sequencer but, being a bit heavier than the jam-man, and being in a plastic case, it didn't stay attached to the mini-wedge-plate very long. I learned the hard way- that's the weakest link in this idea- the point where the wedge plate is bolted to the gear. if it is a plastic case, then a metal plate on the inside will strengthen this fixing. the notron was fine once I found a large disc of steel and sandwiched the rear casing of the sequencer between this and the tripod adaptor plate. for something like a kaos or one of the alesis air-jobbies, the little tripod will be ideal. d/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>I like this Camcorder idea as a possible stand fo= r my Kaos pad (KP2), anybody tried it?<<

I used the same tripod idea for my notron sequencer but, = being a bit heavier than the jam-man, and being in a plastic case, it didn'= t stay attached to the mini-wedge-plate very long. I learned the hard way- = that's the weakest link in this idea- the point where the wedge plate is bo= lted to the gear. if it is a plastic case, then a metal plate on the inside= will strengthen this fixing. the notron was fine once I found a large disc= of steel and sandwiched the rear casing of the sequencer between this and = the tripod adaptor plate.

for something like a kaos or one of the alesis air-jobbie= s, the little tripod will be ideal.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F09D.6B022420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 08:01:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1BCpfh12990; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:51:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:51:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c3f09d$c9bbb6c0$98bd0044@tomdyy5ufajt7n> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: Subject: Re: waist-high gear Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 05:51:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com has anybody suggested DJ tables, where they put their turntables in. i believe they're called coffins. i've seen some videos of live performances of electronic musicians putting their gear in them (electribe, they looked like). don't know how much they cost, or if used ones are available? Tpm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 10:23:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1BFIKP26646; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:18:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:18:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <402A4796.7080309@free.fr> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:17:42 +0100 From: Luca Bonvini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex Prices Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I'm new here, I've been working with my boss for sometime (meaning the RC20:-)and I would like to pass under a new boss, his name is Mr. Gibson E.D.P.. Do you have any suggestion about were to buy it on the net for the best price? (with foot pedal). I'm in Paris (France), is anybody trying to sell a used one around here? And, last question, it is possible to somehow use the first boss (RC20) as a pedal for the second boss (Mr.Gibson)? Hello, I'm new here, I've been working with my boss for sometime (meaning the RC20:-)and I would like to pass under a new Overdub.....sorry, I forgot my mailoop software on and I touched the wrong key, Thank you for your answers, Luca Bonvini boss, his name is Mr. Gibson E.D.P.. Do you have any suggestion about were to buy itESC< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 10:30:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1BFOwa27678; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:24:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:24:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "AvgJoe" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex Prices Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:24:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c3f0b3$211df710$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <402A4796.7080309@free.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i1BFOv627653 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Luca Bonvini [mailto:lucabonvini@free.fr] > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Echoplex Prices > > > Hello, > > I'm new here, I've been working with my boss for sometime > (meaning the > RC20:-)and I would like to pass under a new boss, his name is > Mr. Gibson > E.D.P.. I just went EDP. About the only place I've seen them new is Musicians Friend, and they are out of stock as it is. Seems the price is $799, and not likely to budge since they are not widely available. Used they can be had for usually $600 - $700. There's usually 1 or 2 on Ebay. Be sure to check for looping time, 198 sec is max, and it's best if it already has LoopIV installed. I paid $650 for mine used and had to buy the LoopIV uddate seperately, so at the end of the day, I didn't do THAT well since for $799 I could have had a brand new one with full memory and LoopIV. However, I would have had to wait longer to get it. Oh well. That's life. Paul > > Do you have any suggestion about were to buy it on the net > for the best > price? (with foot pedal). > > I'm in Paris (France), is anybody trying to sell a used one > around here? > > And, last question, it is possible to somehow use the first > boss (RC20) > as a pedal for the second boss (Mr.Gibson)? > > Hello, > > I'm new here, I've been working with my boss for sometime > (meaning the > RC20:-)and I would like to pass under a new > > > Overdub.....sorry, I forgot my mailoop software on and I touched the > wrong key, > > > Thank you for your answers, > > Luca Bonvini > > > boss, his name is Mr. > Gibson E.D.P.. > > Do you have any suggestion about were to buy itESC< > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 10:57:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1BFqe507774; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:52:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:52:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C3F0BF.85C66F60@dyn-81-167-121-113.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Echoplex Prices Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:53:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C3F0BF.85C66F60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C3F0BF.85C66F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lucas, I am Francois in Paris suburbs, I bought an EDP in October. I'll contact you offline (et en fran=E7ais) to hopefully answer some of your questions. Francois check some samples on http://1000.times.free.fr/ -----Message d'origine----- De: Luca Bonvini [SMTP:lucabonvini@free.fr] Date: mercredi 11 f=E9vrier 2004 16:18 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Echoplex Prices Hello, I'm new here, I've been working with my boss for sometime (meaning the=20 RC20:-)and I would like to pass under a new boss, his name is Mr. Gibson = E.D.P.. Do you have any suggestion about were to buy it on the net for the best=20 price? (with foot pedal). I'm in Paris (France), is anybody trying to sell a used one around here? And, last question, it is possible to somehow use the first boss (RC20)=20 as a pedal for the second boss (Mr.Gibson)? Hello, I'm new here, I've been working with my boss for sometime (meaning the=20 RC20:-)and I would like to pass under a new Overdub.....sorry, I forgot my mailoop software on and I touched the=20 wrong key, Thank you for your answers, Luca Bonvini boss, his name is Mr.=20 Gibson E.D.P.. 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However in this time Ive become really relaxed about how I compose, re-compose and share ideas about music. It seems that i have been very hung up on creating a "diffinitive version" of a song that would be used time and again, however this limited me in the way that, if for instance, I wanted to do a set of new bridge chords or whatever rather then a constantly repeated pattern the song could no longer be a looped song and I would instead make it a non looper acoustic song, which in a way is my other main way of working, I have now relaxed about this and decided the same song can go off in two different directions at one juncture (for instance when performed acoustic, it can be verse chorus bridge etc) and at a looped gig it can be elaborated on in differant ways so that I can uses the loopers to get the best out of what they do. anyways , i digress, basically I also started thinking that unlike a riff or a melody, no one owns a chord progression, its just a way that we link chords togeather, so I figure I should stop being so protective of good ones that i have found and also encourage other people to share patterns that they have found interesting in the context of looping. I know that this could lead to "copying" but really , so what, if we all used just four chords as our basic starting point our experiences would take what we build on top of them into totally differant directions. anyway.............heres mine. C#m , (palyed open on the guitar rather then Barre) A (same) E. thats it, to me it sounds great, it also works well with versions like D, F#m, A, E which I love amyways If you feel like this is interesting in anyway I would love to hear yours. Bye Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 12:55:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1BHqGH18250; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:52:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:52:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:50:20 -0600 Subject: Re: waist-high gear From: "Richard J. Roberts" To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Many years ago there was a series of monitor/amp stands called "Elephant Stands" with four steel (I think) legs that collapsed flat for transport. The top thumbscrewed ointo a 6x6" plate that had to be mounted onto the amp or monitor with screws. Their ads showed a Triumph MG mounted atop two such stands. I have one of these and the plate is mounted onto a flat 2 by 3foot board that holds my rack cases. They're rugged and sturdy, if you can find 'em. -- Richard J. Roberts / ZERO OHMS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 13:41:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1BIYaF07142; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:34:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:34:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:17:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Your fave chord progressions (and a bit of rambling) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-11 17.49, "lol c" wrote: > anyway.............heres mine. > C#m , (palyed open on the guitar rather then Barre) A (same) E. > thats it, to me it sounds great, > it also works well with versions like > D, F#m, A, E which I love > amyways If you feel like this is interesting in anyway I would love to hear > yours. > > Bye > Phill Wilson Nice chords! Reminds me of another vamp that goes E add 9, C#m add 9, A add 9, B sus 11. High E string and B string can be used as pedal notes in many of the chords to add color. I used those chords (with some variations) for the improvisation posted at http://www.boysen.se/audio/fishmusic.mp3 Best regards Per Boysen -- http://www.boysen.se Public Music Beta Testing http://www.looproom.com/p2p/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 14:07:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1BJ1ts26469; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:01:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:01:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040208182948.9323.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040208182948.9323.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:57:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Even more IN tune Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8ObinD.A.adG.jwnKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:29 AM -0800 2/8/04, S V G wrote: >Hermode Tuning. http://www.hermode.com/ > > It's available currently on many newer synths such as Access, >Waldorf, and Native Instruments products. Hermode tuning (HMT) was available in the Waldorf Microwave 1 and Q as early as 1994. The inventor and patent holder is Werner Mohrlok. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 16:53:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1BLol229212; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:50:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:50:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Message-Id: <535B58B2-5CDC-11D8-8729-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: cambridge loopfest 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:50:36 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, apologies if you receive this message more than once. This is a one-time blanket email to everyone who's ever expressed interest in the loopfest - I won't bother you all in this manner again (well, not till next year!). Basically I'm looking for volunteers to help organise this year's event. Unfortunately I just don't have the time to do it all this year. I can arrange a venue (I would suggest that the same place would be fine) & co-ordinate things, but I would like help with: - sourcing a PA (including set-up on the night) - doing sound on the night - publicity - funding (if that's even possible) - handling ticket sales - general helping out on the night (e.g. door duty) I would propose June 19 or 26, just to keep it near midsummer's eve as it was last time, but that's entirely flexible. If you can help, please let me know! cheers, os. info@cambridge-loopfest.org.uk http://www.cambridge-loopfest.org.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 17:27:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1BMJC111583; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:19:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:19:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c3f0ed$0b78fe20$7f0b4e51@gareth> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: <535B58B2-5CDC-11D8-8729-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Subject: Re: cambridge loopfest 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:16:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0WZiX.A.20C.gpqKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Os, Have any acts been annouced been arranged for the event yet? I play in a guitar duo called Economy of Motion based in Nottingham and we play ambient/drone which makes extensive use of looping. There's a mp3 sampler of one of our songs on our website - http://members.aol.com/hardwickgj If you would consider putting us on the bill, i'm sure we could help contribute to the running of the event in some way! ;-) Kind Regards Gareth Hardwick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: cambridge loopfest 2004 > Hi, > > apologies if you receive this message more than once. This is a > one-time blanket email to everyone who's ever expressed interest in the > loopfest - I won't bother you all in this manner again (well, not till > next year!). > > Basically I'm looking for volunteers to help organise this year's > event. Unfortunately I just don't have the time to do it all this year. > I can arrange a venue (I would suggest that the same place would be > fine) & co-ordinate things, but I would like help with: > > - sourcing a PA (including set-up on the night) > - doing sound on the night > - publicity > - funding (if that's even possible) > - handling ticket sales > - general helping out on the night (e.g. door duty) > > I would propose June 19 or 26, just to keep it near midsummer's eve as > it was last time, but that's entirely flexible. > > If you can help, please let me know! > > cheers, > os. > > info@cambridge-loopfest.org.uk > http://www.cambridge-loopfest.org.uk/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 17:55:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1BMqP131423; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:52:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:52:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:52:19 +0100 Subject: Re: cambridge loopfest 2004 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c3f0ed$0b78fe20$7f0b4e51@gareth> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3RmaSB.A.3qH.pIrKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-11 23.16, "Gareth Hardwick" wrote: > There's a mp3 sampler of one of our songs on our website - > http://members.aol.com/hardwickgj Nice web page! One picture - one song. Beautiful! Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 18:07:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1BN2Vt05959; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:02:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:02:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c3f0f3$193308c0$c70f4e51@gareth> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: Subject: Re: cambridge loopfest 2004 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:00:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <21k16C.A.8cB.HSrKAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com woops, i was meant to send that to Os, not the list! (apologies!) glad you like the sample mp3 though Per! Gareth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:52 PM Subject: Re: cambridge loopfest 2004 > On 04-02-11 23.16, "Gareth Hardwick" > wrote: > > > There's a mp3 sampler of one of our songs on our website - > > http://members.aol.com/hardwickgj > > > Nice web page! One picture - one song. Beautiful! > > Per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 20:47:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1C1hwT06602; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:43:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:43:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200402111656.i1BGuwF16532@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200402111656.i1BGuwF16532@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: waist high gear Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:43:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Myself and various bandmates have been using those On Stage music stands with really wide tripod legs to hold samplers, small keyboards, mixers, effects, etc. A little smaller than 2'x2', but readily available and quite sturdy. Like most stands, they're a pain in the ass when they're folded up since they're odd-shaped, but I'd recommend looking at one of those. TravisH On Feb 11, 2004, at 8:56 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Doug Cox wrote: > >> For instance, I wonder why there's not a whole series of shelves, >> platforms,tabletops, etc. that simply screw on to 1 or more mic >> stands? Am I missing something, or is this non-existant? >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 11 23:25:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1C4NE218065; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:23:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:23:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <402AFFB4.70509@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:23:16 -0800 From: andy graybeal User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: heya folks.. wacky music in santa cruz?!?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com heya.. i'm wondering if anyone is doing any wacky noise / ambient / abstract stuff here in santa cruz... l... privately or publicly... there's a small troup of us that would like to start performing.. whether it be with friends or for a small audience... i'm hoping santa cruz has some kinda activity i can get involved in :) -andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 12 00:12:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1C55Ag15585; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:05:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:05:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: heya folks.. wacky music in santa cruz?!?! Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:04:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPxIIKr6AVzxawXRKOaV+1xdSBJYwABQBCQ In-Reply-To: <402AFFB4.70509@speakeasy.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20040212050500.HGMP3721.fed1mtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well . . . There IS Rick Walker . . . But we are taking him away for a week or so, down to sunny Southern California--but he'll be back. Might want to search the archives for "Santa Cruz", but get comfortable first! Gary -----Original Message----- From: andy graybeal [mailto:graybeal@speakeasy.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: heya folks.. wacky music in santa cruz?!?! heya.. i'm wondering if anyone is doing any wacky noise / ambient / abstract stuff here in santa cruz... l... privately or publicly... there's a small troup of us that would like to start performing.. whether it be with friends or for a small audience... i'm hoping santa cruz has some kinda activity i can get involved in :) -andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 12 00:41:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1C5dGk03392; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:39:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:39:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <402AFFB4.70509@speakeasy.net> References: <402AFFB4.70509@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:31:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: heya folks.. wacky music in santa cruz?!?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:23 PM -0800 2/11/04, andy graybeal wrote: >i'm hoping santa cruz has some kinda activity i can get involved in http://www.elsaproductions.com -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 12 01:01:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1C5wJX08713; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:58:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:58:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:00:24 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam: Subscape Annex Feb 13, Carrboro NC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My ambient/industrial looping soundscapes trio Subscape Annex is playing at the De La Luz Performance Space / Templeball Gallery in Carrboro NC this Friday night the 13th of February. It's an early show, the reception and accompanying music is 8pm to 10pm. If you're in the area this Friday and show up, say hi: I'll be the only Chapman Stick / theremin player on stage :). We're playing as part of the official opening & reception for Alan Botifoll's extraterrestrial-themed art exhibit. Also performing is our fellow Raleigh improvised soundscape group 7 Years in Space, who can be found on the Web at http://www.synthtank.com/7YIS/. More information, including directions, can be found on http://www.templeball.com/TBpresents/index.html thanks, hope to see you, Steve B, with Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 12 08:19:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1CDF8l24117; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:15:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:15:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: waist high gear Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:15:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F16A.3B967790" Resent-Message-ID: <6Jdv4.A.q4F.cx3KAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F16A.3B967790 Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, those are pretty sturdy too. Check out this guy, who uses one to hold his THREE didgeridoos while he plays his acoustic guitar live! XAVIER RUDD http://xavierrudd.com -Don >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:44 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: waist high gear >> >>Myself and various bandmates have been using those On Stage >>music stands with really wide tripod legs to hold samplers, >>small keyboards, mixers, effects, etc. A little smaller than >>2'x2', but readily available and quite sturdy. Like most >>stands, they're a pain in the ass when they're folded up >>since they're odd-shaped, but I'd recommend looking at one of those. >> >>TravisH >> >> >>On Feb 11, 2004, at 8:56 AM, >>Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> >>> Doug Cox wrote: >>> >>>> For instance, I wonder why there's not a whole series of shelves, >>>> platforms,tabletops, etc. that simply screw on to 1 or more mic >>>> stands? Am I missing something, or is this non-existant? >>>> >>>> >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F16A.3B967790 Content-Type: text/html RE: waist high gear

Yeah, those are pretty sturdy too.

Check out this guy, who uses one to hold his THREE didgeridoos while he plays his acoustic guitar live!

XAVIER RUDD
http://xavierrudd.com

-Don

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:44 PM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: waist high gear
>>
>>Myself and various bandmates have been using those On Stage
>>music stands with really wide tripod legs to hold samplers,
>>small keyboards, mixers, effects, etc.  A little smaller than
>>2'x2', but readily available and quite sturdy.  Like most
>>stands, they're a pain in the ass when they're folded up
>>since they're odd-shaped, but I'd recommend looking at one of those.
>>
>>TravisH
>>
>>
>>On Feb 11, 2004, at 8:56 AM,
>>Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:
>>
>>> Doug Cox wrote:
>>>
>>>> For instance, I wonder why there's not a whole series of shelves,
>>>> platforms,tabletops, etc. that simply screw on to 1 or more mic
>>>> stands?   Am I missing something, or is this non-existant?
>>>>
>>>>
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F16A.3B967790-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 12 10:15:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1CFD3t23381; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:13:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:13:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040212151257.53318.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:12:57 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Gator Rack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopers, i am selling a brand new gator rack 6 x 10 with (6 spaces for your efx in front 10 spaces for your rack on top)like the one Dave uses here http://www.hazardfactor.com/dave/devices1.htm i am selling it for 165.dlls including shipping mail me privately if you are interested thanx Louie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 12 14:03:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1CJ03O11201; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:00:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:00:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:59:57 +0000 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Kaoss Pad (KP2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2004 19:00:00.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A6DBC60:01C3F19A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I know that a lot of you have been extoling the vertues of the Kaoss Pad for a long time, but I'm just that little bit slow off the mark. However, now that I've got off the mark (as it were) or more accurately off my arse and bought one (3 days ago) I'm blown away by it. My questions aren't about its normal opperation - its so straightforward to use. They're about its MIDI implementation. And I have looked at the spec, so hope they're silly questions. I have loads of uses for it patched in after my Boss SP303 sampler and Echo Pro, but I thought that it might be nice to be able to record a little bit of a saxophone phrase that I'm playing into the sampler then get my hands on it and mangle it a bit/lot. But it doesn't look like there's a MIDI on/off message for the record button which I could control from my foot controller - is there? and I haven't got 3 hands. I guess that what I'll do is to send loops to it and sample them and/or put loops straight into the effects of the KP2. But to catch bits of sax on the fly and work with them would be wonderful. I could get our guitarist to press record when he's not playing too I guess! Just wondered if anybody's worked out a way of putting it in and out of record (for the little sampler section) other than with the front panel button. The other question is about the "synth" effects. again, doesn't seem to be a way of setting their pitch. I don't mean to play like a keyboard, but simply to have on one of the programmes set to (say) an A so that they would fit the piece of music (this is of course for the more tuned synth programmes. Any ideas would be great. Thanks. Ian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 12 14:04:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1CJ01711175; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:00:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:00:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:04:47 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: RE: waist-high gear In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533FE9@LON-MAIL07> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2004 18:59:59.0293 (UTC) FILETIME=[697356D0:01C3F19A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. At 12:48 11/02/2004 +0000, you wrote: > > >>I like this Camcorder idea as a possible stand for my Kaos pad (KP2), > anybody tried it?<< > > I used the same tripod idea for my notron sequencer but, being a bit heavier > than the jam-man, and being in a plastic case, it didn't stay attached to the > mini-wedge-plate very long. I learned the hard way- that's the weakest link > in this idea- the point where the wedge plate is bolted to the gear. if it is > a plastic case, then a metal plate on the inside will strengthen this fixing. > the notron was fine once I found a large disc of steel and sandwiched the > rear casing of the sequencer between this and the tripod adaptor plate. > > for something like a kaos or one of the alesis air-jobbies, the little tripod > will be ideal. > > d/r.m.i. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *************************************************************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 00:42:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1D5dKf06413; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:39:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:39:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Kaoss Pad (KP2) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:39:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcPxmynMar/b94fYSa64mkpx01nlDAAWB+kg Message-Id: <20040213053912.UTRF9536.fed1mtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But it doesn't look like there's a MIDI on/off message for the record button which I could control from my foot controller - is there? ----> Doesn't seem like it--and there is no overdub, so it's tough to get a sample drone to loop without a bump--but it still rocks (especially with the new MIDI clock in sync function). Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 08:32:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DDUV028904; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:30:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:30:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c3f235$8c61e440$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: Subject: 16 second delay reissue a reality. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:30:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And the street price is only between $800-$1000 USD. Jesus, that is a echoplex and money left over, or a Manecolooper elite model and money left over. What are they thinking..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 08:46:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DDhHT30520; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:43:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:43:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <402CD479.8080705@biink.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:43:21 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. References: <002601c3f235$8c61e440$6402a8c0@breakyii> In-Reply-To: <002601c3f235$8c61e440$6402a8c0@breakyii> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shane Whitbread wrote: >And the street price is only between $800-$1000 USD. > >Jesus, that is a echoplex and money left over, or a Manecolooper elite model >and money left over. > >What are they thinking..... > I don't see it on their web site. Where do you see it? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 08:57:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DDrWC31736; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:53:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:53:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c3f238$c43c6a90$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <002601c3f235$8c61e440$6402a8c0@breakyii> <402CD479.8080705@biink.com> Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:53:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It was sent out in a mass email to subscribers on the EHX list. It was posted on both HC and Guitargeek(By myself). the offical date for release is june they hope to have a manual up soon according to the email. But it seems legit. As a earlier post of here say it was talked about a touch a NAMM, looks like they just wannted to confirm the truth... here: AND COMING SOON! JUNE . . . D-DAY 16 Second Digital Delay We've been inundated with requests to reissue this classic. I'm very happy to say that a modern version has been completely designed and we are currently gearing up for a LIMITED PRODUCTION RUN ...so be sure to reserve your 16 Second Delay now." from a Mike Matthews email sent out last week. People one the HC fourms started asking massive question and dug up the price of $800-$1000 http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=550219&highlight=16+second ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 8:43 AM Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. > Shane Whitbread wrote: > > >And the street price is only between $800-$1000 USD. > > > >Jesus, that is a echoplex and money left over, or a Manecolooper elite model > >and money left over. > > > >What are they thinking..... > > > > I don't see it on their web site. Where do you see it? > > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 09:02:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DE08F01444; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:00:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:00:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <402CD871.4090407@biink.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:00:17 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. References: <002601c3f235$8c61e440$6402a8c0@breakyii> <402CD479.8080705@biink.com> <005101c3f238$c43c6a90$6402a8c0@breakyii> In-Reply-To: <005101c3f238$c43c6a90$6402a8c0@breakyii> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting. I wonder what the new features will be. dB Shane Whitbread wrote: >It was sent out in a mass email to subscribers on the EHX list. It was >posted on both HC and Guitargeek(By myself). > >the offical date for release is june they hope to have a manual up soon >according to the email. > >But it seems legit. As a earlier post of here say it was talked about a >touch a NAMM, looks like they just wannted to confirm the truth... > >here: > >AND COMING SOON! > >JUNE . . . D-DAY >16 Second Digital Delay >We've been inundated with requests to reissue this classic. I'm very happy >to say that a modern version has been completely designed and we are >currently gearing up for a LIMITED PRODUCTION RUN ...so be sure to reserve >your 16 Second Delay now." > >from a Mike Matthews email sent out last week. > > >People one the HC fourms started asking massive question and dug up the >price of $800-$1000 > >http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=550219&highlight=16+second > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Beardsley" >To: >Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 8:43 AM >Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. > > > > >>Shane Whitbread wrote: >> >> >> >>>And the street price is only between $800-$1000 USD. >>> >>>Jesus, that is a echoplex and money left over, or a Manecolooper elite >>> >>> >model > > >>>and money left over. >>> >>>What are they thinking..... >>> >>> >>> >>I don't see it on their web site. Where do you see it? >> >> >>-- >>* David Beardsley >>* microtonal guitar >>* http://biink.com/db >> >> >> >> > > > > -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 09:15:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DEBlW02908; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:11:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:11:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c3f23b$4fd8daf0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <002601c3f235$8c61e440$6402a8c0@breakyii> <402CD479.8080705@biink.com> <005101c3f238$c43c6a90$6402a8c0@breakyii> <402CD871.4090407@biink.com> Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:11:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a previous post when it was still a rumor. > At NAMM I heard from anonymous yet very reliable sources that > Electro-Harmonix is finally reissuing the legendary 16 Second Delay. > > It will have all the features of the original, but with 5 minutes delay > time and non-volatile memory. The audio quality should be better, although > there will be a lo-fi mode for something of the original sound. Otherwise > it should be identical in features to the old one. > > I know we've heard these rumors before, but current rumor has it this will > be available in summer. We shall see.... > > let the feeding frenzy begin, > kim >Thanks for the advance notice, this gives me enough >time to save up :). >Steve >Subscape Annex >http://www.subscapeannex.com/ With that type of looping, I cannot imagine 5 minutes being all that useful. I can imagine getting lost VERY easily. Hell, 20 seconds from a tweaked PDS20/20 is almost enough to get lost if you are not paying complete attention to every detail in that loop. And the price....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. > Interesting. I wonder what the new features will be. > > dB > > > Shane Whitbread wrote: > > >It was sent out in a mass email to subscribers on the EHX list. It was > >posted on both HC and Guitargeek(By myself). > > > >the offical date for release is june they hope to have a manual up soon > >according to the email. > > > >But it seems legit. As a earlier post of here say it was talked about a > >touch a NAMM, looks like they just wannted to confirm the truth... > > > >here: > > > >AND COMING SOON! > > > >JUNE . . . D-DAY > >16 Second Digital Delay > >We've been inundated with requests to reissue this classic. I'm very happy > >to say that a modern version has been completely designed and we are > >currently gearing up for a LIMITED PRODUCTION RUN ...so be sure to reserve > >your 16 Second Delay now." > > > >from a Mike Matthews email sent out last week. > > > > > >People one the HC fourms started asking massive question and dug up the > >price of $800-$1000 > > > >http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=550219&h ighlight=16+second > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "David Beardsley" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 8:43 AM > >Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. > > > > > > > > > >>Shane Whitbread wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>And the street price is only between $800-$1000 USD. > >>> > >>>Jesus, that is a echoplex and money left over, or a Manecolooper elite > >>> > >>> > >model > > > > > >>>and money left over. > >>> > >>>What are they thinking..... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>I don't see it on their web site. Where do you see it? > >> > >> > >>-- > >>* David Beardsley > >>* microtonal guitar > >>* http://biink.com/db > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 09:42:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DEaav05669; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:36:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:36:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200402131402.i1DE27x01745@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200402131402.i1DE27x01745@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--408454010 Message-Id: <054995EF-5E32-11D8-AAFE-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:36:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: <2jHcSC.A.bYB.0DOLAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4--408454010 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I guess they've been keeping track of the prices for the originals on eBay. Difficult to imagine that $800-1000 is representative of the actual production/development costs, unless they've added in a bunch of new features. Like, an elf that lives inside the box who hops out and sets up all your gear while simultaneously deodorizing the room and feeding the parking meter. If the Manecolooper guy can sell them for what--$500, the EH price is puzzling. TravisH On Feb 13, 2004, at 6:02 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: 16 second delay reissue a reality. > > > And the street price is only between $800-$1000 USD. > > Jesus, that is a echoplex and money left over, or a Manecolooper elite > model > and money left over. > > What are they thinking..... --Apple-Mail-4--408454010 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I guess they've been keeping track of the prices for the originals on eBay. Difficult to imagine that $800-1000 is representative of the actual production/development costs, unless they've added in a bunch of new features. Like, an elf that lives inside the box who hops out and sets up all your gear while simultaneously deodorizing the room and feeding the parking meter. If the Manecolooper guy can sell them for what--$500, the EH price is puzzling. TravisH On Feb 13, 2004, at 6:02 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000Subject: 16 second delay reissue a reality. And the street price is only between $800-$1000 USD. Jesus, that is a echoplex and money left over, or a Manecolooper elite model and money left over. What are they thinking..... --Apple-Mail-4--408454010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 11:22:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DGH3F19614; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:17:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:17:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c3f24d$0de4ae00$28daa344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <002601c3f235$8c61e440$6402a8c0@breakyii> Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:18:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.218.40] at Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:16:59 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <3jNw6B.A.XyE._hPLAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com awareness - reputation - hype = market demand = $price. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Whitbread" To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 8:30 AM Subject: 16 second delay reissue a reality. > And the street price is only between $800-$1000 USD. > > Jesus, that is a echoplex and money left over, or a Manecolooper elite model > and money left over. > > What are they thinking..... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 12:02:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DGvfA25696; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:57:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:57:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002601c3f235$8c61e440$6402a8c0@breakyii> References: <002601c3f235$8c61e440$6402a8c0@breakyii> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:40:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: FS: 16 second delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-4qy4B.A.ZRG.EIQLAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a 16 sec delay sitting around. One of the sliders (Not a critical one) is dirty, and no footpedal. What is this thing worth? What would one of you offer? At 8:30 AM -0500 2/13/04, Shane Whitbread wrote: >And the street price is only between $800-$1000 USD. > >Jesus, that is a echoplex and money left over, or a Manecolooper elite model >and money left over. > >What are they thinking..... -- "Any universe simple enough to be understood is too simple to produce a mind able to understand it" -- John D. Barrow This conjecture strikes me as a logical extension of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 12:30:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DHQ3J30329; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:26:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:26:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <402D08AD.5030706@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:26:05 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. References: <200402131402.i1DE27x01745@hemlock.violacea.com> <054995EF-5E32-11D8-AAFE-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> In-Reply-To: <054995EF-5E32-11D8-AAFE-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0wKFqB.A.xZH.qiQLAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How ridiculous. If this is what they're going to sell for, I'll just save my pennies for an older one knowing that it'll sound the way I want it to. Or get several Maneco's. Anyone on the list able to give a review, (other than Juan of course ;-) )? Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > I guess they've been keeping track of the prices for the originals on > eBay. Difficult to imagine that $800-1000 is representative of the > actual production/development costs, unless they've added in a bunch > of new features. Like, an elf that lives inside the box who hops out > and sets up all your gear while simultaneously deodorizing the room > and feeding the parking meter. > > If the Manecolooper guy can sell them for what--$500, the EH price is > puzzling. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 12:37:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DHZ0Q31384; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:35:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:35:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c3f257$b48f1ba0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <200402131402.i1DE27x01745@hemlock.violacea.com> <054995EF-5E32-11D8-AAFE-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <402D08AD.5030706@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:35:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or the the Maneco Elite, and never need a hold based loop again. It least I wouldn't.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl" To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. > > How ridiculous. If this is what they're going to sell for, I'll just > save my pennies for an older one knowing that it'll sound the way I want > it to. Or get several Maneco's. Anyone on the list able to give a > review, (other than Juan of course ;-) )? > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > > I guess they've been keeping track of the prices for the originals on > > eBay. Difficult to imagine that $800-1000 is representative of the > > actual production/development costs, unless they've added in a bunch > > of new features. Like, an elf that lives inside the box who hops out > > and sets up all your gear while simultaneously deodorizing the room > > and feeding the parking meter. > > > > If the Manecolooper guy can sell them for what--$500, the EH price is > > puzzling. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 13:03:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DHwk502073; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:58:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:58:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040213175827.85311.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:58:27 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601c3f24d$0de4ae00$28daa344@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-9gkKC.A.Rg.WBRLAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Remember that because nobody actually HAS any of these yet, the street price is not established. From what I've seen, the street price on EH gear is dramatically lower then their suggested retail, so the prices may be more realistic when it actually becomes available for purchase. OTOH, if it really is "limited production", the price may not come down much. Have to wait & see. Greg --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > awareness - reputation - hype = market demand = $price. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shane Whitbread" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 8:30 AM > Subject: 16 second delay reissue a reality. > > > > And the street price is only between $800-$1000 USD. > > > > Jesus, that is a echoplex and money left over, or a Manecolooper elite > model > > and money left over. > > > > What are they thinking..... > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 14:59:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DJvXA16825; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:57:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:57:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:57:04 -0800 Subject: Re: FS: 16 second delay From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com excuse me but which slider is not critical on the 16secddl-i'm thinkin the clock? jus askin... s > I have a 16 sec delay sitting around. One of the sliders (Not a > critical one) is dirty, and no footpedal. What is this thing worth? > What would one of you offer? > > > At 8:30 AM -0500 2/13/04, Shane Whitbread wrote: >> And the street price is only between $800-$1000 USD. >> >> Jesus, that is a echoplex and money left over, or a Manecolooper elite model >> and money left over. >> >> What are they thinking..... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 16:24:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DLIYs28561; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:18:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:18:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1076707113.402d3f293448a@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:18:33 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. References: <002601c3f235$8c61e440$6402a8c0@breakyii> <402CD479.8080705@biink.com> <005101c3f238$c43c6a90$6402a8c0@breakyii> In-Reply-To: <005101c3f238$c43c6a90$6402a8c0@breakyii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com um yeah if i want to spend 1000 dollars on a looper i could buy a Gibson blackface EDP with footpedal and the LOOPIV software at full retail. or (my personal choice) another used PCM-80 ... with money left over to buy a new bass synth. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 17:10:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DM7Z503079; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:07:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:07:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c3f27d$c7ee41a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: LEAP DAY LOOPERS international live looping show Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:07:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, Rick Walker here, I'm really pleased to announce this exciting collaboration and looping concert coming up soon in Santa Cruz (I think this probably qualifies for the wacky Santa Cruz thread. The chance to collaborate with a couple of artists as amazing as Deepak Ram and David Tristram really has me high. LEAP DAY LOOPERS international live looping festival SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 29th Next: D()()R Santa Cruz, California Soquel & Seabright next to the Rio Theatre 8 p.m. $10/door No One Turned Away for Lack of Funds with: KOOROSH DARYIAE and DARK NUMBERS (Persia/L.A.) L()()p.p()()L (official Santa Cruz CD release party for Rick Walker's new recording of voice and electronics) 'FAUX VOIX' and a very special live improvisatory trio with DEEPAK RAM (North Indian Bansuri Flute Master) DAVID TRISTRAM (Master Real Time Digital Video Animation) RICK WALKER (live loops/multiple instruments,found and invented sounds) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 18:36:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1DNXTn13964; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:33:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:33:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <402D5EC1.40600@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:33:21 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #360 for February 12, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040212.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #360 February 12, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the Ambient Music Mailing List, part of Hyperreal's music resource archives. The Featured CD at Midnight was "ambient.01@hyperreal" disc two by members of the mailing list. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "In Search of Ancient Gods" by Absolute Elsewhere on Warner Brothers. I will play the music of the Ministry of Inside Things who will be playing at the Gate to Moonbase Alpha and other area shows. See the Events Page for details. Ambient Music Mailing List - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#feb The Ministry of Inside Things - http://synkronosmusic.com/moit.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Absolute Elsewhere Moon City In Search of Ancient Gods (WB) VA [Tom van Draft] Blue Halo Liquid Sound Vol 2 (Manikin) VA [AirSculpture] Not Raving, Floating Liquid Sound Vol 2 (Manikin) Palancar Children of Earth, Dogs Momerath (Blue Water) of War Jean Michel Jarre Le Pays de Rose Les Granges Brulees (Dreyfus) Wolfram Spyra and Acht 39 Achtundsechzig 24 (Manikin) Chris Lang VA [Rodrigo Sigal] Friction of Things in Electroacoustic Music Vol IX Other Places (Electroshock) 12:00 am VA [Dream Spy] Dream Spy ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [Amongst Myselves] 5am Melbourne 1996 ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [Kendall Jackman] Weightless ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [dreamSTATE] White Winter Moon ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [Forrest Fang] Harmonia ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [M. Bentley] Dead Suns ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [DMX] The Self Dreams of Mandi ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [Mikael Hillborg] Curse ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [Deep Chill Network] Alone ambient.01@hyperreal (none) VA [GYS] Bechwith's Feeling ambient.01@hyperreal (none) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Ambient Music Mailing List. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "ambient.02@hyperreal" disc one by members of the mailing list. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "CON" by Conrad Schnitzler on the Paragon label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 20:09:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1E17Hn27652; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:07:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:07:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b001c3f296$e3daa840$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <002601c3f235$8c61e440$6402a8c0@breakyii> <402CD479.8080705@biink.com> <005101c3f238$c43c6a90$6402a8c0@breakyii> <1076707113.402d3f293448a@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:07:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what is the max delay time on the Lexicon? I am attempting to read the manual, but it is moving so slowly it is unreal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:18 PM Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. > um yeah if i want to spend 1000 dollars on a looper i could buy a Gibson > blackface EDP with footpedal and the LOOPIV software at full retail. > > or (my personal choice) another used PCM-80 ... with money left over to buy a > new bass synth. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 21:47:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1E2isO05256; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:44:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:44:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <00b001c3f296$e3daa840$6402a8c0@breakyii> References: <002601c3f235$8c61e440$6402a8c0@breakyii> <402CD479.8080705@biink.com> <005101c3f238$c43c6a90$6402a8c0@breakyii> <1076707113.402d3f293448a@www.suitandtieguy.com> <00b001c3f296$e3daa840$6402a8c0@breakyii> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <042D496D-5E97-11D8-B5C1-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Williamson Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:39:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on Feb 13, 2004, at 7:07 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > what is the max delay time on the Lexicon? I am attempting to read the > manual, but it is moving so slowly it is unreal. 42.something if you put more SIMM in it. it's definitely not for everyone. i spent a couple days getting presets rigged up and MIDI CCs mapped for things like multiply, input level (record vs play, if you will), and loop clear. but for me it is _exactly_ what i want in a looper. i never have to "start" a loop, and to dump the loop memory there's just one control: clear delay memory on/off. i use the Adjust control to change the number of seconds or bars in my loop (yes, it will do rhythmicly timed loops, if you want to get out a calculator. the internal BPM calculator is not as accurate as i'd like). it also glitches when you change delay length incrementally. this is an handy feature sometimes. for the type of ambient looping i do (which is basically a Fripp pastiche) it's the best there is. it's totally clean ... very very clean. it's stereo, and it has balanced connections. and a bad-ass flourescent display. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 22:19:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1E3EWf09457; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:14:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:14:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ba01c3f2a8$ab03b400$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <002601c3f235$8c61e440$6402a8c0@breakyii> <402CD479.8080705@biink.com> <005101c3f238$c43c6a90$6402a8c0@breakyii> <1076707113.402d3f293448a@www.suitandtieguy.com> <00b001c3f296$e3daa840$6402a8c0@breakyii> <042D496D-5E97-11D8-B5C1-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:14:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <0xMDNC.A.oTC.YKZLAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds awesome. I plan on getting a maneco elite because I am now far more interested in that then what I am now refering to "static" looping, liek the DL-4. RC-20 ETC. which is great for songs(esp the RC-20 due to storage abilities). Thanks for the great answer. that is now stored in my supply of looping knowledge. Very Cool. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. > on Feb 13, 2004, at 7:07 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > > what is the max delay time on the Lexicon? I am attempting to read the > > manual, but it is moving so slowly it is unreal. > > 42.something if you put more SIMM in it. it's definitely not for > everyone. i spent a couple days getting presets rigged up and MIDI CCs > mapped for things like multiply, input level (record vs play, if you > will), and loop clear. > > but for me it is _exactly_ what i want in a looper. i never have to > "start" a loop, and to dump the loop memory there's just one control: > clear delay memory on/off. i use the Adjust control to change the > number of seconds or bars in my loop (yes, it will do rhythmicly timed > loops, if you want to get out a calculator. the internal BPM calculator > is not as accurate as i'd like). > > it also glitches when you change delay length incrementally. this is an > handy feature sometimes. > > for the type of ambient looping i do (which is basically a Fripp > pastiche) it's the best there is. it's totally clean ... very very > clean. it's stereo, and it has balanced connections. and a bad-ass > flourescent display. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 13 23:34:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1E4QAd16433; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:26:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:26:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <402DA37D.9080603@speakeasy.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:26:37 -0800 From: andy graybeal User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Feb 28th : acoustic abstract sound / electronic musics / ambient noise / --- going on in santa cruz, ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Abstract Sound jam session and performances Feb 28th, Vets Hall from 2pm-8pm From 2-3pm will be setup time .... 3-5 ish ?? - improve jam session ... 5ish - 7 -- solo or group performances 7-8pm is tear down and out the door. * If you can, bring your mixing boards, instruments, synths, sm57/58's, cables, stomp boxes, rack effects, and circuit-bent/homemade/hybrid/noise making electronics.. Clearly mark all your stuff... Everyone needs stay as organized as possible so things don't get mixed up. It would be great if you have a stereo mixdown on your mixer to route to the console that will feed the PA system. * Also, if you can, bring gear that you don't mind other people using ... because not everyone has music gear and we'd like to involve everyone that shows up in the improv jam session. * If you don't have any music gear, just bring yourself, hopefully there will be something you can use to make sound with. ---- *** Improv Jam session: 3pm - 5pm (ish) *** The objective is to get everyone making sounds... and maybe even give it our best effort to contour a musical aesthetic out of it. *** Performances: 5pm (ish) - 7pm *** We hope to give everyone who wants to perform a chance to perform with in the 2 hours. This might expand to 3 hours, and we'll shorten the improv jam session if it looks like not everyone who wants to perform can. ---- We're going to try and record the whole session, but bring your recorders in case ours break down. We hope to have this happen atleast twice a month. I'll be making a mail list and web page for it. -andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 14 01:42:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1E6d0Y30203; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:39:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:39:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040213223620.04cec6e0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:41:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. In-Reply-To: <000601c3f24d$0de4ae00$28daa344@hppav> References: <002601c3f235$8c61e440$6402a8c0@breakyii> <000601c3f24d$0de4ae00$28daa344@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yep. They probably won't have any trouble selling them at that price. The usual market for reissue stuff is older and more affluent. kim At 08:18 AM 2/13/2004, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >awareness - reputation - hype = market demand = $price. > > > And the street price is only between $800-$1000 USD. > > > > Jesus, that is a echoplex and money left over, or a Manecolooper elitemodel > > and money left over. > > > > What are they thinking..... ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 14 11:30:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1EGSjC06332; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:28:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:28:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: spare part for casio dg20 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:28:42 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: bNvWy-ZvYeZcVX8pCmTj3cKRTO3tx5bo1PPHxUyFY1uuFKZq4Tu8UE@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry for the OT. My Casio DG20 has a broken part (I don't know the English term, its one of the screws that hold the strings) - see http://www.mpeters.de/temp/dg20wirbel.jpg - does anyone know if there is a way to get a spare part for that? to Germany? Casio Europe hasn't replied so far. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 14 12:00:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1EGxQZ13574; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:59:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:59:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200402141630.i1EGUMb06626@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200402141630.i1EGUMb06626@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--313484580 Message-Id: <23786B72-5F0F-11D8-B87F-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:59:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-6--313484580 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Maybe--but that older, affluent crowd seems to be more hung up on Hendrix/Robben Ford/Larry Carlton type tones--just scan a few issues of Vintage Guitar. The EH-16 appeals more to the mad-scientist crowd. Now, if it was yet another TS-9/Fuzz Face/Clyde Wah clone, the money starts pouring in... On Feb 14, 2004, at 8:30 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. > > > yep. They probably won't have any trouble selling them at that price. > The usual market for reissue stuff is older and more affluent. > kim --Apple-Mail-6--313484580 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Maybe--but that older, affluent crowd seems to be more hung up on Hendrix/Robben Ford/Larry Carlton type tones--just scan a few issues of Vintage Guitar. The EH-16 appeals more to the mad-scientist crowd. Now, if it was yet another TS-9/Fuzz Face/Clyde Wah clone, the money starts pouring in... On Feb 14, 2004, at 8:30 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. yep. They probably won't have any trouble selling them at that price. The usual market for reissue stuff is older and more affluent. kim --Apple-Mail-6--313484580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 14 12:34:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1EHTs219262; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:29:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:29:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c3f31f$efc35ec0$d8184e51@gareth> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: <200402141630.i1EGUMb06626@hemlock.violacea.com> <23786B72-5F0F-11D8-B87F-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:23:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C3F31F.46363800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C3F31F.46363800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IMO, even if the unit was priced at $500, there are other alternatives = that could the same for less. Gareth ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:59 PM Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality Maybe--but that older, affluent crowd seems to be more hung up on = Hendrix/Robben Ford/Larry Carlton type tones--just scan a few issues of = Vintage Guitar. The EH-16 appeals more to the mad-scientist crowd. Now, = if it was yet another TS-9/Fuzz Face/Clyde Wah clone, the money starts = pouring in... ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C3F31F.46363800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IMO, even if the unit was priced at = $500, there are=20 other alternatives that could the same for less.
 
Gareth
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Maybe--but that older, affluent crowd seems to be more = hung up=20 on Hendrix/Robben Ford/Larry Carlton type tones--just scan a few = issues of=20 Vintage Guitar. The EH-16 appeals more to the mad-scientist crowd. = Now, if it=20 was yet another TS-9/Fuzz Face/Clyde Wah clone, the money starts = pouring=20 in...

 
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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 02:43:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1F7fDI26949; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:41:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:41:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040214234032.033be970@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:43:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality In-Reply-To: <23786B72-5F0F-11D8-B87F-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> References: <200402141630.i1EGUMb06626@hemlock.violacea.com> <23786B72-5F0F-11D8-B87F-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the mad scientist crowd spends more money on gear than anybody. Just look at this list. kim At 08:59 AM 2/14/2004, Travis Hartnett wrote: >Maybe--but that older, affluent crowd seems to be more hung up on >Hendrix/Robben Ford/Larry Carlton type tones--just scan a few issues of >Vintage Guitar. The EH-16 appeals more to the mad-scientist crowd. Now, >if it was yet another TS-9/Fuzz Face/Clyde Wah clone, the money starts >pouring in... > > >On Feb 14, 2004, at 8:30 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com >wrote: > >>Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. >> >> >>yep. They probably won't have any trouble selling them at that price. The >>usual market for reissue stuff is older and more affluent. >>kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 02:50:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1F7gNw27056; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:42:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:42:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040214234339.04f0ac58@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:44:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality In-Reply-To: <001f01c3f31f$efc35ec0$d8184e51@gareth> References: <200402141630.i1EGUMb06626@hemlock.violacea.com> <23786B72-5F0F-11D8-B87F-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <001f01c3f31f$efc35ec0$d8184e51@gareth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7PoNyD.A.nmG.eLyLAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com like what? At 09:23 AM 2/14/2004, Gareth Hardwick wrote: >IMO, even if the unit was priced at $500, there are other alternatives >that could the same for less. > >Gareth ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 06:12:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1FBAhr11202; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 06:10:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 06:10:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c3f3b4$8e2bbdc0$062e4e51@gareth> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: <200402141630.i1EGUMb06626@hemlock.violacea.com> <23786B72-5F0F-11D8-B87F-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <001f01c3f31f$efc35ec0$d8184e51@gareth> <6.0.3.0.2.20040214234339.04f0ac58@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:09:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, from a looping perspective, current stompbox loopers like the Boomerang, Boss RC-20 (and to an extent DD-20) and the Line 6 DL4 all offer long loop times with reverse playback and octave down (Boomerang and DL4). Like someone also said, our friend Juan (Maneco) can make a hand assembled looper (the Elite Maneco) for just over $500 which has far more features than the 80's 16 sec. Perhaps it would be worth holding back judgement until EHX actually release the thing, but for $800, i think i'll be sticking with what i've already got... G. > like what? > > At 09:23 AM 2/14/2004, Gareth Hardwick wrote: > >IMO, even if the unit was priced at $500, there are other alternatives > >that could the same for less. > > > >Gareth > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 11:45:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1FGhGn11256; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:43:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:43:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <402FA0B2.8020307@pa.msu.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:39:14 -0500 From: John McIntyre Reply-To: mcintyre@pa.msu.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality References: <200402141630.i1EGUMb06626@hemlock.violacea.com> <23786B72-5F0F-11D8-B87F-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <001f01c3f31f$efc35ec0$d8184e51@gareth> In-Reply-To: <001f01c3f31f$efc35ec0$d8184e51@gareth> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gareth Hardwick wrote: > IMO, even if the unit was priced at $500, there are other alternatives > that could the same for less. > As an owner and ardent lover of the original unit, please enlighten me as to these under $500 alternatives that have the same feature set. I would love to get another or the functional equivalent. John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 12:17:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1FHGgg19074; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:16:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:16:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <1e3.199eda2b.2d610350@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:16:00 EST Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Even at $400, it should at least have stereo ins and outs. Peace, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 12:19:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1FHIb119629; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:18:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:18:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:16:57 -0600 (CST) From: X-X-Sender: To: John McIntyre cc: Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality In-Reply-To: <402FA0B2.8020307@pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maneco looper On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, John McIntyre wrote: > Gareth Hardwick wrote: > > > IMO, even if the unit was priced at $500, there are other alternatives > > that could the same for less. > > > > As an owner and ardent lover of the original unit, please enlighten me > as to these under $500 alternatives that have the same feature set. I > would love to get another or the functional equivalent. > > John McIntyre > mcintyre@pa.msu.edu > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 12:57:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1FHuUP28323; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:56:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:56:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040215175624.36195.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:56:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Adrian O'Connell" Subject: Echo Pro/drum machine sync To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! My name is Adrian and I'm from Ireland. I got a Boss RC20 about 8 months ago and have been having lots of fun with it, but now I'd like to sync to a drum machine/sequencer. I stumbled across this amazing site recently and it seems the best place to ask my question: I read a piece about synchronising an Echoplex to a drum machine using midi, is it possible to do this with a Line6 Echo-Pro too? i.e. could I start the drum machine, start playing/recording along with it through an Echo Pro, and have what I just recorded loop over in time with the drum machine? (and is it possible to do all this through a midi controlling foot pedal?) I have no proper recordings of my RC20 stuff (am in the final desperate stages of college and am very busy!) but would love in a couple of months to post a link on the net & let ye guys hear them to see what ye think. Any answers greatly appreciated, Sincerely, Adrian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 13:20:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1FIHJi32643; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:17:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:17:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:17:22 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Echo Pro/drum machine sync In-Reply-To: <20040215175624.36195.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2004 18:17:17.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[F190AE30:01C3F3EF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Adrian, Although the Echo Pro has a lot of MIDI controllable features, it unfortunately isn't possible to sync the looper. The delays can be synced to MIDI clock (including the looper's own descrete delay line), MIDI messages can opperate the various functions of the looper (rec/play/overdub/stop/reverse/etc...) but not sync in the way you describe. I have an Echo Pro and use it for looping as well as for its great range of delays - I'd like it to MIDI sync but its still very usable and up to that line, makes good use of MIDI (I think). Ian At 09:56 15/02/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Hi! > >My name is Adrian and I'm from Ireland. I got a Boss >RC20 about 8 months ago and have been having lots of >fun with it, but now I'd like to sync to a drum >machine/sequencer. > >I stumbled across this amazing site recently and it >seems the best place to ask my question: I read a >piece about synchronising an Echoplex to a drum >machine using midi, is it possible to do this with a >Line6 Echo-Pro too? > >i.e. could I start the drum machine, start >playing/recording along with it through an Echo Pro, >and have what I just recorded loop over in time with >the drum machine? (and is it possible to do all this >through a midi controlling foot pedal?) > >I have no proper recordings of my RC20 stuff (am in >the final desperate stages of college and am very >busy!) but would love in a couple of months to post a >link on the net & let ye guys hear them to see what ye >think. > >Any answers greatly appreciated, >Sincerely, >Adrian > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. >http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 16:00:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1FKtuR03206; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:55:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:55:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040215122736.04e86d38@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:56:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality In-Reply-To: <000201c3f3b4$8e2bbdc0$062e4e51@gareth> References: <200402141630.i1EGUMb06626@hemlock.violacea.com> <23786B72-5F0F-11D8-B87F-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <001f01c3f31f$efc35ec0$d8184e51@gareth> <6.0.3.0.2.20040214234339.04f0ac58@loopers-delight.com> <000201c3f3b4$8e2bbdc0$062e4e51@gareth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <39g3yC.A.7x.cz9LAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:09 AM 2/15/2004, Gareth Hardwick wrote: >well, from a looping perspective, current stompbox loopers like the >Boomerang, Boss RC-20 (and to an extent DD-20) and the Line 6 DL4 all offer >long loop times with reverse playback and octave down (Boomerang and DL4). surely you are joking? None of these units have feature sets remotely like the EH-16, and nobody would seriously think they could replace one. If you think an RC-20 can replace an EH-16 you are not a potential customer for the reissue version anyway. >Like someone also said, our friend Juan (Maneco) can make a hand assembled >looper (the Elite Maneco) for just over $500 which has far more features >than the 80's 16 sec. I'd really like to hear what people think of the Maneco looper, if anybody has one yet. But if he is making them by hand, I think the price would not stay at $500 if hundreds of people started ordering them. It would go up very fast. But you are missing the point here completely. People have been crying for years that they want the EH-16 again. They want it reissued exactly like it was. Not with all sorts of new features crammed on top of it. A lot of people loved that unit and want to be able to get it again. What electro-harmonix needs to do is reproduce it as close as possible to the original, and they will have huge demand for it. If they try to add stuff to it, they'll screw it up and nobody will want it. "Reissue" isn't about what features are added, its about reproducing the original. $800, adjusted for inflation, is cheaper than it was originally, and the people who loved it and owned it then are now 20 years older with better jobs and much higher incomes. They'll have no trouble finding buyers for a reissue at that price. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 16:15:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1FLEBX06951; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:14:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:14:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c3f408$e32256a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <200402141630.i1EGUMb06626@hemlock.violacea.com> <23786B72-5F0F-11D8-B87F-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <001f01c3f31f$efc35ec0$d8184e51@gareth> <6.0.3.0.2.20040214234339.04f0ac58@loopers-delight.com> <000201c3f3b4$8e2bbdc0$062e4e51@gareth> <6.0.3.0.2.20040215122736.04e86d38@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Coming EH & Need for EDP Marketing Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:15:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.187.178] at Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:14:08 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim has it exactly right. EH will also get tons of exposure in all the online sites / catalog sales sites. And it's likely that when they are available, sales of EDP's will take a big hit, as casual lopper-wanna-be's will easily discover the EH tool before their loopy-tool research uncovers the more expensive EDP. So, let's ride the EH loopy coat-tails. Now is a good time to start activating the EDP promotion machine. Or at least oiling its creaky joints and ensure some feature space in the Musician's Friends of the world. Questions: 1) Is there a marketing manager responsible for the EDP? 2) Has the EDP ever been reviewed in music press / instrument press? 3) Are their any promotions with retail outlets established? Damn, this should be such an easy tool to market, it is screaming with UNIQUE DIFFERENTIATORS. It takes is a systematic approach and some focused marketing energy. Heck, who do I contact? I can devote 2-days a week to this from now until April 15. Who wants to hire me? David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:56 PM Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality > At 03:09 AM 2/15/2004, Gareth Hardwick wrote: > >well, from a looping perspective, current stompbox loopers like the > >Boomerang, Boss RC-20 (and to an extent DD-20) and the Line 6 DL4 all offer > >long loop times with reverse playback and octave down (Boomerang and DL4). > > surely you are joking? None of these units have feature sets remotely like > the EH-16, and nobody would seriously think they could replace one. If you > think an RC-20 can replace an EH-16 you are not a potential customer for > the reissue version anyway. > > > >Like someone also said, our friend Juan (Maneco) can make a hand assembled > >looper (the Elite Maneco) for just over $500 which has far more features > >than the 80's 16 sec. > > I'd really like to hear what people think of the Maneco looper, if anybody > has one yet. But if he is making them by hand, I think the price would not > stay at $500 if hundreds of people started ordering them. It would go up > very fast. > > But you are missing the point here completely. People have been crying for > years that they want the EH-16 again. They want it reissued exactly like it > was. Not with all sorts of new features crammed on top of it. A lot of > people loved that unit and want to be able to get it again. What > electro-harmonix needs to do is reproduce it as close as possible to the > original, and they will have huge demand for it. If they try to add stuff > to it, they'll screw it up and nobody will want it. "Reissue" isn't about > what features are added, its about reproducing the original. > > $800, adjusted for inflation, is cheaper than it was originally, and the > people who loved it and owned it then are now 20 years older with better > jobs and much higher incomes. They'll have no trouble finding buyers for a > reissue at that price. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 17:34:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1FMX2G26784; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:33:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Need for EDP Marketing & Weird Pedal alert Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:33:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000c01c3f408$e32256a0$0affff0a@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcP0CL3vEQTNkke6TaCTno+ddLdRgAACce1Q X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [4.12.148.13] at Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:33:00 -0600 Message-Id: <20040215223300.HGNO2677.out005.verizon.net@home> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is funny how many people will walk up to me while I am playing and mention that they have a Boss Loop Station, and didn't know anything about the DL-4 or Boomerang, much less an EDP. When I tell them what an EDP is and can do, they say 'wow, where was it when I was looking for it?'. Roland has the $$ to advertise and get the Loop Station into small music stores. But then again, throw a tube in the EDP, cover it in tweed and advertise in Vintage Guitar and you might sell a million. Even if the tube isn't connected to anything. In other news, don't know if this page was mentioned before, but this person has some seriously twisted effects, which come in kits as well, so they are not so expensive: http://4mspedals.com/ Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > EH will also get tons of exposure in all the online sites / > catalog sales sites. And it's likely that when they are > available, sales of EDP's will take a big hit, as casual > lopper-wanna-be's will easily discover the EH tool before > their loopy-tool research uncovers the more expensive EDP. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 17:49:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1FMeSF28619; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:40:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:40:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 16 second delay reissue a reality. Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:40:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F414.B2B84590" Resent-Message-ID: <_iahx.A.F_G.cV_LAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F414.B2B84590 Content-Type: text/plain What are Maneco's, and why can't I find them when I google it? D-MAK >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Daryl [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] >>Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:26 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality. >> >> >>How ridiculous. If this is what they're going to sell for, >>I'll just save my pennies for an older one knowing that it'll >>sound the way I want it to. Or get several Maneco's. Anyone >>on the list able to give a review, (other than Juan of course ;-) )? >> >>Daryl Shawn >>highhorse@mhorse.com >> >> >>> I guess they've been keeping track of the prices for the >>originals on >>> eBay. Difficult to imagine that $800-1000 is representative of the >>> actual production/development costs, unless they've added >>in a bunch >>> of new features. Like, an elf that lives inside the box who >>hops out >>> and sets up all your gear while simultaneously deodorizing the room >>> and feeding the parking meter. >>> >>> If the Manecolooper guy can sell them for what--$500, the >>EH price is >>> puzzling. >> >> >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F414.B2B84590 Content-Type: text/html RE: 16 second delay reissue a reality.

What are Maneco's, and why can't I find them when I google it?

D-MAK

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Daryl [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com]
>>Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:26 PM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality.
>>
>>
>>How ridiculous.  If this is what they're going to sell for,
>>I'll just save my pennies for an older one knowing that it'll
>>sound the way I want it to.  Or get several Maneco's.  Anyone
>>on the list able to give a review, (other than Juan of course ;-) )?
>>
>>Daryl Shawn
>>highhorse@mhorse.com
>>
>>
>>> I guess they've been keeping track of the prices for the
>>originals on
>>> eBay. Difficult to imagine that $800-1000 is representative of the
>>> actual production/development costs, unless they've added
>>in a bunch
>>> of new features. Like, an elf that lives inside the box who
>>hops out
>>> and sets up all your gear while simultaneously deodorizing the room
>>> and feeding the parking meter.
>>>
>>> If the Manecolooper guy can sell them for what--$500, the
>>EH price is
>>> puzzling.
>>
>>
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F414.B2B84590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 17:50:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1FMhrM29413; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:43:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:43:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20040215144005.01c67c68@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:43:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: RE: Need for EDP Marketing & Weird Pedal alert In-Reply-To: <20040215223300.HGNO2677.out005.verizon.net@home> References: <000c01c3f408$e32256a0$0affff0a@hppav> <20040215223300.HGNO2677.out005.verizon.net@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7cMLE.A.YLH.oY_LAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It works best if you put a red led behind the tube. Orange would look more realistic, but red gives it a warmer tone. -Hans >then again, throw a tube in the EDP, cover it in tweed and advertise in >Vintage Guitar and you might sell a million. Even if the tube isn't >connected to anything. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 20:29:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1G1NnN01795; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:23:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:23:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200402152249.i1FMnKY30975@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200402152249.i1FMnKY30975@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--196821030 Message-Id: From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:23:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: <2p0l2C.A.9b.luBMAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--196821030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Yeah, but the mad-scientist crowd is much smaller than the vintage crowd... On Feb 15, 2004, at 2:49 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality > > > I think the mad scientist crowd spends more money on gear than > anybody. Just look at this list. > kim --Apple-Mail-1--196821030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Yeah, but the mad-scientist crowd is much smaller than the vintage crowd... On Feb 15, 2004, at 2:49 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality I think the mad scientist crowd spends more money on gear than anybody. Just look at this list. kim --Apple-Mail-1--196821030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 20:47:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1G1iVU06073; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:44:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:44:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200402152249.i1FMnKY30975@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200402152249.i1FMnKY30975@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Coming EH & Need for EDP Marketing Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:44:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, the EDP was favorably reviewed when it first came out...in 1995. Some choice quotes: "an incredible practice tool, a great compositional aid, an instant, stress-free mirror for your imagination, and a potentially limitless source of fun..." Also, it was $1295 with the foot controller and 16MB of memory, and v3.0 of the software. I believe the Guitar Player review is in the LD archives. Gibson has been able to sell as many of them of as they could make from just about day one---NINE YEARS AGO. There were even a few full-page color ads. It's already been successfully marketed: word-of-mouth sells all they can make. It's never going to be a hugely popular device because it's rackmounted, has lots of buttons and features, requires MIDI to take advantage of the deeper features, costs a month's rent, and makes no sound of its own. TravisH On Feb 15, 2004, at 2:49 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Questions: > > 1) Is there a marketing manager responsible for the EDP? > 2) Has the EDP ever been reviewed in music press / instrument press? > 3) Are their any promotions with retail outlets established? > > Damn, this should be such an easy tool to market, it is screaming with > UNIQUE DIFFERENTIATORS. It takes is a systematic approach and some > focused > marketing energy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 21:01:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1G1sGB07858; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:54:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:54:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200402152249.i1FMnKY30975@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200402152249.i1FMnKY30975@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--194993163 Message-Id: <05DDEB13-6023-11D8-8D29-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: RE: Need for EDP Marketing & Weird Pedal alert Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:54:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--194993163 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Once you tell them how much it costs, most of them realized where it was hiding: out of their price range. The ones who can afford it and want/need the features will buy an EDP and/or sell their RP-20. Marketing is only "needed" if you're having trouble selling your product. Gibson isn't--the big question is whether they're willing or able to step up EDP production. Given the small size of the EDP market (even at ten times the current supply), I suspect that after all this time the answer is "no". The EDP is a very, very, very small part of the Gibson empire. I'll bet they make significantly more off of t-shirts than they do EDP's, so there's really no fire under anyone's ass to ramp up the EDP sales, much to the detriment of Aurisis' planned rare-car collection fund. The EH-16 appeals to a different, yet related, market than the EDP or the JamMan. There's cross-over, but they're really two different things. Not everyone who has a Marshall wants a Fender, and vice versa. TravisH On Feb 15, 2004, at 2:49 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: RE: Need for EDP Marketing & Weird Pedal alert > > > It is funny how many people will walk up to me while I am playing and > mention that they have a Boss Loop Station, and didn't know anything > about > the DL-4 or Boomerang, much less an EDP. When I tell them what an EDP > is and > can do, they say 'wow, where was it when I was looking for it?'. > Roland has > the $$ to advertise and get the Loop Station into small music stores. > But > then again, throw a tube in the EDP, cover it in tweed and advertise in > Vintage Guitar and you might sell a million. Even if the tube isn't > connected to anything. > --Apple-Mail-2--194993163 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Once you tell them how much it costs, most of them realized where it was hiding: out of their price range. The ones who can afford it and want/need the features will buy an EDP and/or sell their RP-20. Marketing is only "needed" if you're having trouble selling your product. Gibson isn't--the big question is whether they're willing or able to step up EDP production. Given the small size of the EDP market (even at ten times the current supply), I suspect that after all this time the answer is "no". The EDP is a very, very, very small part of the Gibson empire. I'll bet they make significantly more off of t-shirts than they do EDP's, so there's really no fire under anyone's ass to ramp up the EDP sales, much to the detriment of Aurisis' planned rare-car collection fund. The EH-16 appeals to a different, yet related, market than the EDP or the JamMan. There's cross-over, but they're really two different things. Not everyone who has a Marshall wants a Fender, and vice versa. TravisH On Feb 15, 2004, at 2:49 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000Subject: RE: Need for EDP Marketing & Weird Pedal alert It is funny how many people will walk up to me while I am playing and mention that they have a Boss Loop Station, and didn't know anything about the DL-4 or Boomerang, much less an EDP. When I tell them what an EDP is and can do, they say 'wow, where was it when I was looking for it?'. Roland has the $$ to advertise and get the Loop Station into small music stores. But then again, throw a tube in the EDP, cover it in tweed and advertise in Vintage Guitar and you might sell a million. Even if the tube isn't connected to anything. --Apple-Mail-2--194993163-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 22:55:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1G3rv101333; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:53:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:53:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040215195305.03660478@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:55:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: 16 second delay reissue a reality. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:40 PM 2/15/2004, Don Makoviney wrote: >What are Maneco's, and why can't I find them when I google it? why are you using google to search for looper info? Use the Looper's Delight search engine: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive/ and there you will find info on Maneco's loopers, including this link to his site: http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ I should have a section up on the LD tools page for it. Sorry I've been pretty off on site updates lately.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 15 23:36:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1G4TaP09685; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:29:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:29:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c3f445$ba98c240$438fa344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <200402152249.i1FMnKY30975@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Coming EH & Need for EDP Marketing Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:31:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.143.67] at Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:29:32 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess I was mistakenly under the impression that the EDP was near another one of it's near-death thows with production intermittent and Gibson's commitment waning. I'm glad if I'm wrong. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Coming EH & Need for EDP Marketing > > Yes, the EDP was favorably reviewed when it first came out...in 1995. > Some choice quotes: "an incredible practice tool, a great compositional > aid, an instant, stress-free mirror for your imagination, and a > potentially limitless source of fun..." Also, it was $1295 with the > foot controller and 16MB of memory, and v3.0 of the software. I > believe the Guitar Player review is in the LD archives. > > Gibson has been able to sell as many of them of as they could make from > just about day one---NINE YEARS AGO. There were even a few full-page > color ads. It's already been successfully marketed: word-of-mouth > sells all they can make. It's never going to be a hugely popular > device because it's rackmounted, has lots of buttons and features, > requires MIDI to take advantage of the deeper features, costs a month's > rent, and makes no sound of its own. > > > TravisH > > > On Feb 15, 2004, at 2:49 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > Questions: > > > > 1) Is there a marketing manager responsible for the EDP? > > 2) Has the EDP ever been reviewed in music press / instrument press? > > 3) Are their any promotions with retail outlets established? > > > > Damn, this should be such an easy tool to market, it is screaming with > > UNIQUE DIFFERENTIATORS. It takes is a systematic approach and some > > focused > > marketing energy. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 00:11:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1G5Av817441; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:10:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:10:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c3f44b$4047d5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "Bob Amstadt" , "Loopers Delight" References: <142415252.1076752448@[192.168.1.107]> Subject: Re: My first solo bass piece Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:10:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <9CAXVD.A.XQE.hDFMAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very nice, Bob!! Rick Walker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Amstadt" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:54 AM Subject: My first solo bass piece > Hi everyone, > > I created a solo bass piece a couple of days ago and thought the rest of > you loopers out there might be interested in hearing it. The recording is > crude since I didn't go into the studio with the intent of creating > something to share. However, I put a link to it on Steve Lawson's board > and got a favorable response. So, I decided to share it with a wider > audience. > > The piece is titled "Microscope Storm". If you would like to listen to > it, it can be downloaded from this link: > http://www.bassviews.org/MicroscopicStorm.mp3 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 00:17:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1G5GGC18775; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:16:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:16:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c3f44c$0412ab10$98bd0044@tomdyy5ufajt7n> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <142415252.1076752448@[192.168.1.107]> <005d01c3f44b$4047d5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: My first solo bass piece Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:16:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks, Bob. it's very pretty! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "Bob Amstadt" ; "Loopers Delight" Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: Re: My first solo bass piece > Very nice, Bob!! > > Rick Walker > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Amstadt" > To: "Loopers Delight" > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:54 AM > Subject: My first solo bass piece > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I created a solo bass piece a couple of days ago and thought the rest of > > you loopers out there might be interested in hearing it. The recording is > > crude since I didn't go into the studio with the intent of creating > > something to share. However, I put a link to it on Steve Lawson's board > > and got a favorable response. So, I decided to share it with a wider > > audience. > > > > The piece is titled "Microscope Storm". If you would like to listen to > > it, it can be downloaded from this link: > > http://www.bassviews.org/MicroscopicStorm.mp3 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 00:32:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1G5UdQ21471; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:30:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:30:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:30:32 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My first solo bass piece Message-ID: <270598800.1076880632@[192.168.1.107]> In-Reply-To: <002b01c3f44c$0412ab10$98bd0044@tomdyy5ufajt7n> References: <142415252.1076752448@[192.168.1.107]> <005d01c3f44b$4047d5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <002b01c3f44c$0412ab10$98bd0044@tomdyy5ufajt7n> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.1 (Win32) X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks guys. Your kind words are greatly appreciated. Bob --On Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:16 PM -0700 Tom Rex wrote: > thanks, Bob. it's very pretty! > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> Very nice, Bob!! >> >> Rick Walker >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > Hi everyone, >> > >> > I created a solo bass piece a couple of days ago and thought the rest >> > of you loopers out there might be interested in hearing it. The >> > recording > is >> > crude since I didn't go into the studio with the intent of creating >> > something to share. However, I put a link to it on Steve Lawson's >> > board and got a favorable response. So, I decided to share it with a >> > wider audience. >> > >> > The piece is titled "Microscope Storm". If you would like to listen >> > to it, it can be downloaded from this link: >> > http://www.bassviews.org/MicroscopicStorm.mp3 >> > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 04:33:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1G9QSk32582; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 04:26:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 04:26:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:27:23 +0100 Subject: Maneco Looper From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: VTq3DgZvreVnlr8UV1mxBYjuJtQ-PdwSMEWl3i9YU+YSqE3Fqc-V8Z Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, hi all, yes, Manecos stuff is very, very interesting. I am on the case for a Micro Looper, which seems to sport features from the EH 16 sec. (which I have never even seen this side of the Atlantic) & Digitech PDS 8000 (which I use a lot) and some new features like a bp/lp filter section etc. On top of that Juan is open for input and is currently working on a different reverse function due to my request. His loopers reverse a loop permanentely only when in HOLD mode, a direct offspring from the function on the EH and modded PCM 42's. When not in HOLD, they reverse the loop once and the go back for forward again. Not such a terrible thing, but when I mentioned it Maneco immediately went "thanks for the input, let me check it out for you".......looks like food for us mad looping scientists, he? Regards, Andreas Willers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 06:04:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GAwUG13319; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 05:58:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 05:58:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <20040215175624.36195.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040215175624.36195.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Williamson Subject: Re: Echo Pro/drum machine sync Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 04:56:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 15, 2004, at 11:56 AM, Adrian O'Connell wrote: > seems the best place to ask my question: I read a > piece about synchronising an Echoplex to a drum > machine using midi, is it possible to do this with a > Line6 Echo-Pro too? um the answer is "maybe?" check this: http://loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200310/msg00533.html then i would look experiment with the MIDI notes which control the Line6 Echo Pro. unfortunately you'll have to buy or borrow one first. the short answer for the question "can i sync an Echo Pro to my drum machine" is "you don't want to". the longer answer is "well, probably ... but not easily. it's a pain in the ass and you'd be better off with an EDP, JamMan, or Repeater." i suppose you could use an Alesis MMT-8 for this. read the manual at http://www.mmt8.com/ if you're that hard up for cash. i have to say that the EDP offers some nice features for working with drum machines, like recording a loop and then having the drum machine sync up to the EDP. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 06:14:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GB1Yv15046; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:01:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:01:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <20040215223300.HGNO2677.out005.verizon.net@home> References: <20040215223300.HGNO2677.out005.verizon.net@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3906B888-606F-11D8-AE96-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Williamson Subject: Re: Weird Pedal alert Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 04:59:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Feb 15, 2004, at 4:33 PM, hazard factor wrote: > In other news, don't know if this page was mentioned before, but this > person > has some seriously twisted effects, which come in kits as well, so > they are > not so expensive: http://4mspedals.com/ i saw that dude that runs the collective play an art opening in St Louis. he made some very good noise, and i don't mean that to sound insulting ... he does a good job. it was definitely the best thing at the event. i remember he had some weird video synthesiser he had made there with him as well. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 06:34:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GBWr919960; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:32:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:32:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1076931166!8323510 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.5; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D39470853400B@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 16 second delay reissue a reality Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:34:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F480.CC688920" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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 >> even if the unit was priced at $500, there= are other alternatives that could the same for less. <<

I'm inclined to agree- much as I would love to be an EH 1= 6-sec delay user just because I like EH stuff, I also don't want to get bur= ned for the sake of the brand-name cachet.

I just bought another powertran mcs-1, which box I have m= entioned in a positive light in previous posts, for =A3120 (about $500 at c= urrent rates ;-) ) . as far as I can tell, the functionality is more-or-les= s the same.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F480.CC688920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 06:39:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GBbYK20960; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:37:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:37:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c3f481$4831fd20$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: Subject: Maneco Looper Information Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:37:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://manecolooper.tripod.com That is a alternative to the 16 second reissue IMO. And yes it does pitchshift the loop. He will have a new URL and more bandwidth by the end of tomorrow. I know this as I am hosting his site. I will have more info for all of you tomorrow. Thanks, Shane From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 06:56:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GBoah22581; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:50:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:50:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-20.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1076932227!8290908 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.5; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D39470853400C@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 16 second delay reissue a reality Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:51:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F483.42372830" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F483.42372830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>What electro-harmonix needs to do is reproduce it as close as possible to the original, and they will have huge demand for it. If they try to add stuff to it, they'll screw it up and nobody will want it. "Reissue" isn't about what features are added, its about reproducing the original.<< but those of us that are vulnerable to the sort of cachet that a vintage product has, we aren't going to be happy with a reissue. would you rather have, all else being equal, a 1958 strat or a custom shop reissue? my 1990-built mxr distortion+ doesn't sound as good as my guitarist's, which was made in 1977. quite apart from the inevitable feeling that his is cooler just because it's older.... mine just doesn't sound as good. I'm sure that some of this is psychological, but some of it is the quality or otherwise of the parts. are EH going to be /able/ to make the things the same as the originals? where will they get all those BBD chips from? (curtis, ssm, anyone? the same thing has happened with "vintage" synths, with people scrapping synths that could be repaired in order to extract components like the aforementioned to repair "more worthy" instruments. a poly six, for instance, won't last ten minutes if there's a dead p5 on the bench next to it that needs the same ssm chips.) they must have debated, and still be debating, on this- if the reissue is identical to the original, then numbers will necessarily be limited because of: getting the original chipset together /and/ getting enough people to buy it who don't care that it isn't twenty-odd years old but are still happy with it's (relatively) limited functionality OR they make something that resembles the original, but is bang-up-to-date in terms of parts and functionality. an example of this would be roland's tardy response to the revival in fortunes of the tb303 in the late 80s and early 90s; with 2nd hand prices through the roof in the UK, roland introduced the first "groovebox"- capable of digital renditions of the most popular sounds from the 303, 808 etc, and actually called the mc303.... designed to both capitalise on the cachet of the original products /and/ make the best of modern techniques. needles to sew, it was a bit of a flop.... especially when rebirth appeared. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>What electro-harmonix needs to do is reproduce it= as close as possible to the
original, and they will have huge demand for it. If they= try to add stuff
to it, they'll screw it up and nobody will want it. &quo= t;Reissue" isn't about
what features are added, its about reproducing the origi= nal.<<

but those of us that are vulnerable to the sort of cachet= that a vintage product has, we aren't going to be happy with a reissue. wo= uld you rather have, all else being equal, a 1958 strat or a custom shop re= issue?

my 1990-built mxr distortion+ doesn't sound as good as my= guitarist's, which was made in 1977. quite apart from the inevitable feeli= ng that his is cooler just because it's older.... mine just doesn't sound a= s good. I'm sure that some of this is psychological, but some of it is the = quality or otherwise of the parts.

are EH going to be /able/ to make the things the same as = the originals? where will they get all those BBD chips from?

(curtis, ssm, anyone? the same thing has happened with &q= uot;vintage" synths, with people scrapping synths that could be repair= ed in order to extract components like the aforementioned to repair "m= ore worthy" instruments. a poly six, for instance, won't last ten minu= tes if there's a dead p5 on the bench next to it that needs the same ssm ch= ips.)

they must have debated, and still be debating, on this- <= /FONT>

if the reissue is identical to the original, then numbers= will necessarily be limited because of:
getting the original chipset together /and/
getting enough people to buy it who don't care that it i= sn't twenty-odd years old but are still happy with it's (relatively) limite= d functionality

OR

they make something that resembles the original, but is b= ang-up-to-date in terms of parts and functionality. an example of this woul= d be roland's tardy response to the revival in fortunes of the tb303 in the= late 80s and early 90s; with 2nd hand prices through the roof in the UK, r= oland introduced the first "groovebox"- capable of digital rendit= ions of the most popular sounds from the 303, 808 etc, and actually called = the mc303.... designed to both capitalise on the cachet of the original pro= ducts /and/ make the best of modern techniques.

needles to sew, it was a bit of a flop.... especially whe= n rebirth appeared.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F483.42372830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 08:19:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GDHsw05818; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:17:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:17:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: waist high gear Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:17:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F48F.48817450" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F48F.48817450 Content-Type: text/plain Since I was the one that started this thread, thanks for all the suggestions. What did I finally choose? I finally went with the Onstage Keyboard stand and a 16" x 30" piece of 3/4" pine spraypainted black for the table top. I can fit my V-AMP2, Behringer 10 channel mini-mixer, and INEKO on top without incident. A guitar center opened here in Ft Myers last week and they had a blowout special on the stands for $9 bucks, while supplies lasted! Figure even if it is a P.O.S. it will still last for a few months. Worth $9 to me. Here is a summary of other solutions/ideas: Travis Hartnett: "Myself and various bandmates have been using those On Stage music stands with really wide tripod legs to hold samplers, small keyboards, mixers, effects, etc. A little smaller than 2'x2', but readily available and quite sturdy. Like most stands, they're a pain in the ass when they're folded up since they're odd-shaped, but I'd recommend looking at one of those." Juan Urauhart "i ended using one of thos x-shaped keybard stands,and a small case built for my waist-high gear..." Greg House "how about an ironing board?" stanaranium "i was thinkin more along the lines of a surfboard(or boogeeboard) on some milk crates...but hey, thats just me." Mark Hamburg: "PVC. (Probably not good for really heavy stuff though.)" Doug Cox wrote: "For instance, I wonder why there's not a whole series of shelves, platforms,tabletops, etc. that simply screw on to 1 or more mic stands? Am I missing something, or is this non-existant?" To which John McIntyre replied: "It's not non-existant as I bought two of them. Alas, the problem is that the support point is right at the mic stand and it is extremely easy to exceed the load capacity, causing the stand to collapse. Very limited and not at all what I'd been hoping for." Rick Walker (loop.pool): "Another solution that I'm surprised not to have heard about so far is that percussionists have many different sizes of 'tray's to choose from that either attach to cymbal stands or to drum rack stands. Just go to Latin Percussion, Toca Percussion, Pearl Percussion, Yamaha Percussion of Meinly percussion sites to find out what's available. "Normally, cymbal and drum rack equipment is prohibitively expensive, but I see cymbal stands every week at the Santa Cruz flea market from $10 - $50. "I'm really surprised that some one really enterprising hasn't started to explore this market. The fact of the matter is that they are making backpacks that hold a hundred pounds that use materials that only weigh a few ounces. "It seems like some of this technology could be used to start inventing versatile and collapsible stands for stage shows. The mixer stand that someone suggested is really cool but it doesn't collapse and weighs a ton which just doesn't work if you are getting around in a small car like I am." Thanks again for all the suggestions. D-MAK >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Juan Urquhart [mailto:manecolooper@darksites.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:02 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: waist high gear >> >>i ended using one of thos x-shaped keybard stands,and a small >>case built for my waist-high gear... >> >> >>my creations... >>http://manecolooper.tripod.com >> >>my music... >>http://rendher.tripod.com >> >> >> >>--- John McIntyre wrote: >>Doug Cox wrote: >> >>>For instance, I wonder why there's not a whole series of >>shelves, platforms,tabletops, etc. that simply screw on to 1 >>or more mic stands? Am I missing something, or is this non-existant? >>> >>> >>> >>It's not non-existant as I bought two of them. Alas, the >>problem is that the support point is right at the mic stand >>and it is extremely easy to exceed the load capacity, causing >>the stand to collapse. Very limited and not at all what I'd >>been hoping for. >> >>John McIntyre >>mcintyre@pa.msu.edu >> >> >> >>_____________________________________________________________ >>Free email service provided by http://www.darksites.com >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F48F.48817450 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: waist high gear

Since I was the one that started this thread, thanks = for all the suggestions.

What did I finally choose? I finally went with the = Onstage Keyboard stand and a 16" x 30" piece of 3/4" = pine spraypainted black for the table top. I can fit my V-AMP2, = Behringer 10 channel mini-mixer, and INEKO on top without incident. A = guitar center opened here in Ft Myers last week and they had a blowout = special on the stands for $9 bucks, while supplies lasted! Figure even = if it is a P.O.S. it will still last for a few months. Worth $9 to = me.

Here is a summary of other solutions/ideas:

Travis Hartnett:
"Myself and various bandmates have been using = those On Stage music stands with really wide tripod legs to hold = samplers, small keyboards, mixers, effects, etc.  A little smaller = than 2'x2', but readily available and quite sturdy.  Like most = stands, they're a pain in the ass when they're folded up since they're = odd-shaped, but I'd recommend looking at one of those."

Juan Urauhart
"i ended using one of thos x-shaped keybard = stands,and a small case built for my waist-high gear..."

Greg House
"how about an ironing board?"

stanaranium
"i was thinkin more along the lines of a = surfboard(or boogeeboard) on some milk crates...but hey, thats just = me."

Mark Hamburg:
"PVC. (Probably not good for really heavy stuff = though.)"

Doug Cox wrote:
"For instance, I wonder why there's not a whole = series of shelves, platforms,tabletops, etc. that simply screw on to 1 = or more mic stands?   Am I missing something, or is this = non-existant?"

To which John McIntyre replied:
"It's not non-existant as I bought two of = them.  Alas, the problem is that the support point is right at the = mic stand and it is extremely easy to exceed the load capacity, causing = the stand to collapse.  Very limited and not at all what I'd been = hoping for."

Rick Walker (loop.pool):
"Another solution that I'm surprised not to = have heard about so far is that percussionists have many different = sizes of 'tray's to choose from that either attach to cymbal stands or = to drum rack stands.  Just go to Latin Percussion, Toca = Percussion, Pearl Percussion, Yamaha Percussion of Meinly percussion = sites to find out what's available.

"Normally, cymbal and drum rack equipment is = prohibitively expensive, but I see cymbal stands every week at the = Santa Cruz flea market from $10 - $50.

"I'm really surprised that some one really = enterprising hasn't started to explore this market.
The fact of the matter is that they are making = backpacks that hold a hundred pounds that use materials that only weigh = a few ounces.

"It seems like some of this technology could be = used to start inventing versatile and collapsible stands
for stage shows. The mixer stand that someone = suggested is really cool but it doesn't collapse and
weighs a ton which just doesn't work if you are = getting around in a small car like I am."

Thanks again for all the suggestions.

D-MAK



>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Juan Urquhart [mailto:manecolooper@darksites= .com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:02 = PM
>>To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: waist high gear
>>
>>i ended using one of thos x-shaped keybard = stands,and a small
>>case built for my waist-high gear...
>>
>>
>>my creations...
>>http://manecolooper.tripod.com
>>
>>my music...
>>http://rendher.tripod.com
>>
>>
>>
>>--- John McIntyre = <mcintyre@pa.msu.edu> wrote:
>>Doug Cox wrote:
>>
>>>For instance, I wonder why there's not a = whole series of
>>shelves, platforms,tabletops, etc. that = simply screw on to 1
>>or more mic stands?   Am I missing = something, or is this non-existant?
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>It's not non-existant as I bought two of = them.  Alas, the
>>problem is that the support point is right = at the mic stand
>>and it is extremely easy to exceed the load = capacity, causing
>>the stand to collapse.  Very limited = and not at all what I'd
>>been hoping for.
>>
>>John McIntyre
>>mcintyre@pa.msu.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________________= ______
>>Free email service provided by http://www.darksites.com
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F48F.48817450-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 08:59:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GDvAp14110; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:57:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:57:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040216135708.40596.qmail@web13009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 05:57:08 -0800 (PST) From: gsj3 Subject: Loopers in Japan? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003601c3f481$4831fd20$6402a8c0@breakyii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-409682788-1076939828=:40255" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-409682788-1076939828=:40255 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi! I am living in Tokyo, and interested in making contacts to other loopers here to compare notes and learn about/organize some loop events. Anybody out there? Best, Gregory --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online --0-409682788-1076939828=:40255 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
hi!
 
I am living in Tokyo, and interested in making contacts to other loopers here to compare notes and learn about/organize some loop events.  Anybody out there? 
 
Best,
 
Gregory
 

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online --0-409682788-1076939828=:40255-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 09:30:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GETDG20006; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:29:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:29:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: INEKO Manual Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:27:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F498.F4EBB440" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F498.F4EBB440 Content-Type: text/plain I am not at home so I don't have access to my manual, but need the quick length and width (in inches preferably) of the INEKO. Can anyone provide that this morning? Thanks in advance! -DM ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F498.F4EBB440 Content-Type: text/html RE: waist high gear
I am not at home so I don't have access to my manual, but need the quick length and width (in inches preferably) of the INEKO.
 
Can anyone provide that this morning?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
-DM
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F498.F4EBB440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 09:49:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GEglp22407; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:42:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:42:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: INEKO Manual Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:42:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F49B.23C9ECD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F49B.23C9ECD0 Content-Type: text/plain Never mind. I found the dimensions online. Thanks, D-MAK _____ From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: INEKO Manual I am not at home so I don't have access to my manual, but need the quick length and width (in inches preferably) of the INEKO. Can anyone provide that this morning? Thanks in advance! -DM ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F49B.23C9ECD0 Content-Type: text/html RE: waist high gear
Never mind. I found the dimensions online.
 
Thanks,
D-MAK

From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:27 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: INEKO Manual

I am not at home so I don't have access to my manual, but need the quick length and width (in inches preferably) of the INEKO.
 
Can anyone provide that this morning?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
-DM
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F49B.23C9ECD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 10:23:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GFLGg28786; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:21:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:21:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.22] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: repeater on sale in Italy Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:21:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2004 15:21:10.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[81927670:01C3F4A0] Resent-Message-ID: <0V1IxC.A.nBH.s_NMAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi bruno, im thinking of contacting him for more info. could you tell me how long this auction is for and if it will ship internationally to the uk? phill wilson >From: bruno kleinefeld >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: repeater on sale in Italy >Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:51:27 +0100 > >hi > >I just saw the ad of a repeater on sale on an italian website >I thought someone could be interested > >check this url >http://www.mercatinomusicale.com/annunci/annuncio.asp/IDAnnuncio_59499/annuncio.htm > >it just say it's in mint condition >the price is 750 euros > >it doesn't say nothing about CFC cards attached > >bye > >if you need any help for the transaction (translation...) don't esitate to >contact me > >Bruno > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 10:28:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GFJYP28443; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:19:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:19:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4030DF81.4030701@biink.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:19:29 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Amstadt CC: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: My first solo bass piece References: <142415252.1076752448@[192.168.1.107]> In-Reply-To: <142415252.1076752448@[192.168.1.107]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0A4FMB.A.T8G.G-NMAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bob Amstadt wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I created a solo bass piece a couple of days ago and thought the rest > of you loopers out there might be interested in hearing it. The > recording is crude since I didn't go into the studio with the intent > of creating something to share. However, I put a link to it on Steve > Lawson's board and got a favorable response. So, I decided to share > it with a wider audience. > > The piece is titled "Microscope Storm". If you would like to listen > to it, it can be downloaded from this link: > http://www.bassviews.org/MicroscopicStorm.mp3 > > Nice, meditative....drifting. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 12:56:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GHn2K20747; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:49:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:49:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: Eudora 5.1-J For Mac OS X Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040216135708.40596.qmail@web13009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040216135708.40596.qmail@web13009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 02:48:52 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: Loopers in Japan? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, My location is Kobe, if you come to Kansai area (Osaka,Kobe or kyoto) ,I can try to help book you. Sure, all over sea's loopers are welcome. Best, Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/ At 5:57 AM -0800 04.2.16, gsj3 wrote: >hi! > >I am living in Tokyo, and interested in making contacts to other >loopers here to compare notes and learn about/organize some loop >events. Anybody out there? > >Best, > >Gregory > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 14:19:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GJCHw05364; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:12:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:12:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <08057F95-60B4-11D8-87BF-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: RE: 16 second delay reissue a reality Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:12:15 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >my 1990-built mxr distortion+ doesn't sound as good as my guitarist's, which was made in 1977. quite apart from the inevitable feeling that his is >cooler just because it's older.... >mine just doesn't sound as good. I'm sure that some of this is psychological, but some of it is the quality or otherwise >of the parts. You know, in 1977 that same distortion+ was considered to sound like shit. "Doesn't sound like tubes..." or "Doesn't sound like my Fuzz Face..." would have been the applicable criticisms. And anything you think sounds bad now will be highly sought after in twenty years. I remember when "germanium fuzztone" was the worst quality for any circuit to possess, and now it's highly sought after. Keith Costin, the aerodynamicist once said "Save me, oh Lord, from the statement: 'What looks right is right.'" He was always being faced with designs for aeroplanes and cars which looked "aerodynamic", but proved not to be so in the wind tunnel and on the track. I'd have to say "Lord save me from the statement : "What's old, sounds better.'" It's just nuts--this endless romanticizing of a time just past when great tone dripped from every cheap-ass EH box that was lucky to survive three battery swaps. >are EH going to be /able/ to make the things the same as the originals? where will they get all those BBD chips from? I believe the EH-15 used digital memory, not BBD. However, I think the regeneration circuit was "analog"--every repeat was re-D/A/D'ed, which was part of its unique charm, but I've never used one myself. In related news, I saw that Visual Sound has started production of BBD chips for those old-style circuits. No doubt all the vintage dudes will declare them to be inferior to the original. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 14:52:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GJoeC10538; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:50:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:50:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c3f4c6$24c8d7b0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <08057F95-60B4-11D8-87BF-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:50:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 19:12 PM Subject: RE: 16 second delay reissue a reality > > >my 1990-built mxr distortion+ doesn't sound as good as my guitarist's, > which was made in 1977. quite apart from the inevitable feeling that > his is >cooler just because it's older.... >mine just doesn't sound as > good. I'm sure that some of this is psychological, but some of it is > the quality or otherwise >of the parts. > > You know, in 1977 that same distortion+ was considered to sound like > shit. "Doesn't sound like tubes..." or "Doesn't sound like my Fuzz > Face..." would have been the applicable criticisms. And anything you > think sounds bad now will be highly sought after in twenty years. I > remember when "germanium fuzztone" was the worst quality for any > circuit to possess, and now it's highly sought after. I actually pine occasionally for my old Panasonic (mono) Cassette recorder-Radio, which had a setting on it that predated "Karaoke" use, where I could play out of the speaker while also recording. I suspect it was so one could listen to the radio while recording, but for some reason it was wired to that MIC IN was also part of the input. I fried the daylights out of that thing, to the point where it could only be used to plug my guitar and effects into, an audiophile's nightmare at best. I didn't need a fuzz box, just my Wah-Wah and a Small Stone. The fried throughput of the recorder-radio was loud-sounding but not really that loud, if you get my drift. Kind of like how some folks can sing like what's-his-name from Ratt but not have to scream to do it? It'd been great for busking, he wrote 20 years on... Did anyone else do this to a recorder-radio? Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 18:29:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1GNMV019392; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:22:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:22:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:22:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3FA1F7F30003FA1B@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: [gig] Atomic Mobius Machine Live on the Internet, February 21st, 2004 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i1GNMU619369 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopers, Atomic Mobius Machine will once again be playing live for you on the internet! On Saturday, February 21st, we'll be playing from 8pm-12am/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. (We usually play until 2am, for a whopping 6 hours of musical meanderings.) Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music (we've started calling it 'ambient loopadelic'), and features Dan Moore, Ross Artese, Craig Latta and myself, on various musical instruments, electronics, and computers. This will be the 'cpr birthday' performance, so come join us in celebrating! :) Please tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at http://www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, Februrary 21st, at 8pm for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... AwesomeRadio serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements. Here are the addresses to use: broadband http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 24/22 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 16/16 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 Atomic Mobius Machine broadcasts a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of the other addresses. Please check out the newly redesigned website: http://www.musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine. We are in the process of moving the site to it's own domain, and in the interim there are no longer any mp3's on the site. Please email me if you are interested in obtaining any of the recordings until then. AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.awesomechat.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 20:25:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1H1NvM07714; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:23:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:23:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:23:54 -0500 Subject: a fun game From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3159807834_12085517" Resent-Message-ID: <2bErF.A.b4B.s0WMAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3159807834_12085517 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I got an email from a friend the other day, out of the blue. He wrote that he had just been thinking about all the music he loves, and his email liste= d a bunch of stuff that was dear to him. I got such a kick out of that and found it so interesting that I thought I=B9= d do it here on LD, and if anyone wants to shoot back a list of some of their inspirations, it might not only be interesting but also make a nice resourc= e for anyone who feels like going out and listening to something new. (Sort o= f like that cool music plasma link that squidloop put up a while ago http://www.musicplasma.com/ but with humans.) So here are some of my great loves, in no particular order. Some of them us= e looping of various sorts, some don=B9t, they=B9re all music . . . ....................................................................... - Hood: Cold House - Nick Cave: Murder Ballads/ Let Love In - John Coltrane: A Love Supreme - The Durutti Column: The Return of The Durutti Column - DJ Shadow: Endtroducing - Jimi Hendrix: Electric Ladyland - Kazuhisa Uchihashi: Ryusei - Machine Translations: Abstract Poverty - Scientist: Heavyweight Dub Champion - Billy Cobham: Spectrum - David Sylvian: Secrets of the Beehive - The Cure: Disintegration - Public Enemy: It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back - Jeff Buckley: Grace - Stereolab: Dots and Loops - Miles Davis: Kind of Blue - Talking Heads: Remain In Light ....................................................................... Dan --=20 ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com --B_3159807834_12085517 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable a fun game I got an email from a friend the other day, out of the= blue. He wrote that he had just been thinking about all the music he loves,= and his email listed a bunch of stuff that was dear to him.

I got such a kick out of that and found it so interesting that I thought I&= #8217;d do it here on LD, and if anyone wants to shoot back a list of some o= f their inspirations, it might not only be interesting but also make a nice = resource for anyone who feels like going out and listening to something new.= (Sort of like that cool music plasma link that squidloop put up a while ago=  http://www.mu= sicplasma.com/  but with humans.)

So here are some of my great loves, in no particular order. Some of them us= e looping of various sorts, some don’t, they’re all music . . . =

.......................................................................

- Hood: Cold House

- Nick Cave: Murder Ballads/ Let Love In

- John Coltrane: A Love Supreme

- The Durutti Column: The Return of The Durutti Column

- DJ Shadow: Endtroducing

- Jimi Hendrix: Electric Ladyland

- Kazuhisa Uchihashi: Ryusei

- Machine Translations: Abstract Poverty

- Scientist: Heavyweight Dub Champion

- Billy Cobham: Spectrum

- David Sylvian: Secrets of the Beehive

- The Cure: Disintegration

- Public Enemy: It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back

- Jeff Buckley: Grace

- Stereolab: Dots and Loops

- Miles Davis: Kind of Blue

- Talking Heads: Remain In Light

.......................................................................


Dan


--
ghost 7 | Orange
http://www.envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@rcn.com --B_3159807834_12085517-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 16 23:48:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1H4elR04376; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:40:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:40:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c3f510$751b2160$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: a fun game Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:42:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3F4E6.8BCF9B40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.159.185] at Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:40:42 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <1HTiiC.A.MEB.PtZMAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3F4E6.8BCF9B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a fun gameOK - I'm in. I'll draw a distinction between music I have enjoyed listening to and = music that has influenced my guitar-playing. =20 Here's a selection of artists/groups whose music has influenced or = shaped my guitar playing & music making -=20 Kruder & Dorfmeister /=20 all those incredible recordings on the FAX label Richard James (under his various pseudonyms) / Orb / Orbital Nirvana / Stereolab=20 Gang of Four / SWANS Andy Summers / Police William Ackerman / Fripp & Eno / Roy Harper King Crimson / Status Quo As I construct this list I note that I'm currently not feeling my guitar = playing is being influenced by the contemporary music of any group or = artist. =20 David=20 P.S. Damn, that's a collection of very WHITE music, huh? =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Soltzberg=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: a fun game I got an email from a friend the other day, out of the blue. He wrote = that he had just been thinking about all the music he loves, and his = email listed a bunch of stuff that was dear to him.=20 I got such a kick out of that and found it so interesting that I = thought I'd do it here on LD, and if anyone wants to shoot back a list = of some of their inspirations, it might not only be interesting but also = make a nice resource for anyone who feels like going out and listening = to something new. (Sort of like that cool music plasma link that = squidloop put up a while ago http://www.musicplasma.com/ but with = humans.) So here are some of my great loves, in no particular order. Some of = them use looping of various sorts, some don't, they're all music . . .=20 = ....................................................................... - Hood: Cold House - Nick Cave: Murder Ballads/ Let Love In - John Coltrane: A Love Supreme - The Durutti Column: The Return of The Durutti Column - DJ Shadow: Endtroducing - Jimi Hendrix: Electric Ladyland - Kazuhisa Uchihashi: Ryusei - Machine Translations: Abstract Poverty - Scientist: Heavyweight Dub Champion - Billy Cobham: Spectrum - David Sylvian: Secrets of the Beehive - The Cure: Disintegration - Public Enemy: It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back - Jeff Buckley: Grace - Stereolab: Dots and Loops - Miles Davis: Kind of Blue - Talking Heads: Remain In Light = ....................................................................... Dan --=20 ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3F4E6.8BCF9B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a fun game
OK - I'm=20 in.
 
I'll draw a distinction between music I = have=20 enjoyed listening to and music that has influenced my = guitar-playing. =20
 
Here's a selection of artists/groups = whose music=20 has influenced or shaped my guitar playing & music making = -=20
 
Kruder &=20 Dorfmeister /
all those=20 incredible recordings on the FAX label
Richard James=20 (under his various pseudonyms) / Orb / Orbital
Nirvana / Stereolab
Gang = of Four /=20 SWANS
Andy Summers / Police
William Ackerman / Fripp = & Eno / Roy=20 Harper
King Crimson / Status=20 Quo
 
As I construct this list I note that = I'm currently=20 not feeling my guitar playing is being influenced by the contemporary = music of=20 any group or artist. 
 
David
 
P.S.  Damn, that's a collection of = very WHITE=20 music, huh?  
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan = Soltzberg
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 = 8:23=20 PM
Subject: a fun game

I got an email from a friend the other day, out of the = blue. He=20 wrote that he had just been thinking about all the music he loves, and = his=20 email listed a bunch of stuff that was dear to him.

I got such = a kick=20 out of that and found it so interesting that I thought I=92d do it = here on LD,=20 and if anyone wants to shoot back a list of some of their = inspirations, it=20 might not only be interesting but also make a nice resource for anyone = who=20 feels like going out and listening to something new. (Sort of like = that cool=20 music plasma link that squidloop put up a while ago  http://www.musicplasma.com/  but with=20 humans.)

So here are some of my great loves, in no particular = order.=20 Some of them use looping of various sorts, some don=92t, they=92re all = music . . .=20 =

.................................................................= ......

-=20 Hood: Cold House

- Nick Cave: Murder Ballads/ Let Love = In

- John=20 Coltrane: A Love Supreme

- The Durutti Column: The Return of = The=20 Durutti Column

- DJ Shadow: Endtroducing

- Jimi Hendrix: = Electric Ladyland

- Kazuhisa Uchihashi: Ryusei

- Machine = Translations: Abstract Poverty

- Scientist: Heavyweight Dub=20 Champion

- Billy Cobham: Spectrum

- David Sylvian: = Secrets of=20 the Beehive

- The Cure: Disintegration

- Public Enemy: = It Takes=20 a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back

- Jeff Buckley: = Grace

-=20 Stereolab: Dots and Loops

- Miles Davis: Kind of Blue

- = Talking=20 Heads: Remain In=20 = Light

............................................................= ...........


Dan


--=20
ghost 7 |=20 = Orange
http://www.envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@rcn.com = ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3F4E6.8BCF9B40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 17 06:54:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1HBqZp27865; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 06:52:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 06:52:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4031FF27.6411BB5D@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 03:46:46 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NoneRadio Playlist 2/16/04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.noneradio.com A particularly goofy show, even for None Radio (and that's saying a lot), but a lot of fun was had, including some odd and entertaining live improvs with Mike Keneally and myself, and a cameo appearance by music writer and producer extroardinaire Matt Resnicoff. The show repeats 24/7 all week long... Am I a lucky guy, or what? --------------------------- NONE-028 – Elvis Has A Plan Hosted by Rich Pike & Mike Keneally, w/ special guest co-host Andre LaFosse (plus Matt Resnicoff) 01 – I Call You Everyday... I Kick Your Ass – JOSH FREESE [The Notorious One Man Orgy] 02 – Love Is All Around (Single Version) – JOAN JETT & THE BLACKHEARTS [Heavy As A Really Heavy Thing] 03 – Astro Man – JIMI HENDRIX EXPERIENCE [The Jimi Hendrix Experience (Box Set)***] 04 – In Time – ANDRE LAFOSSE [Disruption Theory] 05 – What Means Solid, Traveller? – DAVID TORN [What Means Solid, Traveller?] 06 – Little Wonder – DAVID BOWIE [BBC Radio Theatre, London, June 27 2000***] 07 – Free Man – SCREAMING HEADLESS TORSOS [Screaming Headless Torsos] 08 – Scotch – MIKE KENEALLY [Boil That Dust Speck] 09 – Numbered Days – YOGI [(unreleased)] 10 – Ever Since The Turn – THE PAPER CHASE [Young Bodies Heal Quickly, You Know] 11 – Deep Peace – DEVIN TOWNSEND [Terria] 12 – Canada – DEVIN TOWNSEND [Terria] 13 – Down And Under – DEVIN TOWNSEND [Terria] 14 – In-Studio Improv Performance #1 – ANDRE LAFOSSE & MIKE KENEALLY 14 – Dead Girls Of London – SHANKAR [Touch Me There] 15 – Queen To Bathe – THE DAGONS [Teeth For Pearls] 16 – To Cure A Weakling Child – APHEX TWIN [Richard D. James] 17 – Super-Charger Haven – WHITE ZOMBIE [Astro-Creep: 2000] 18 – Everybody's Going To Heaven / King Kong Reggae – TODD RUNDGREN [Todd] 19 – Delicious – THE CATHERINE WHEEL [Adam & Eve] 20 – Probably Will – CONCRETE BLONDE [Still In Hollywood] 21 – Shane's Song – BILL HICKS [Arizona Bay] 22 – Dinosaurs In The Bible / Living God – BILL HICKS [Arizona Bay] 23 – Do You Realize? – THE FLAMING LIPS [Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots] 24 – Darlene – SHANKAR [Touch Me There] 4 – In-Studio Improv Performance #2 – ANDRE LAFOSSE & MIKE KENEALLY 25 – Porno Daddy – FREAK KITCHEN [Move] 26 – The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway – PAUL GILBERT [Paul The Young Dude/Gilbert Hotel] 27 – Beware Of The Random Factor – CHRIS OPPERMAN [Oppy Music Vol. 1: Purple, Crayon] 28 – Welcome / Slaughter Zone Entrance – BUCKETHEAD [Bucketheadland 2] 29 – The Cobra's Head – BUCKETHEAD [Bucketheadland 2] 30 – Planet Earth – COL. BRUCE HAMPTON & THE AQUARIUM RESCUE UNIT [(Self-titled)] 31 – El Becko – JEFF BECK [There And Back] 32 – Paloma – MIKE KENEALLY [Wooden Smoke Asleep] 33 – Magic Medicine – INCUBUS [S.C.I.E.N.C.E.] 34 – Your Mother Should Know – THE BEATLES [Magical Mystery Tour] 35 – Sofa No. 1 – MICHAEL HEDGES [Oracle] 35 – If You Want Me To Stay – SLY & THE FAMILY STONE [Greatest Hits] 36 – Get Things Done – BRYAN BELLER [View] 36 – Cult Of The Internal Sun – SCREAMING HEADLESS TORSOS [Screaming Headless Torsos] 36 – Juvalamu – MICHAEL SHRIEVE [Two Doors] 36 – Undo – BJORK [Vespertine] 36 – Interference – ANDRE LAFOSSE [Normalized] 36 – The Wheel and the Maypole – XTC [Wasp Star] Talkover music in this show included tracks from Buckethead's Electric Tears, Ween's All Request Live, The Clinton Administration's One Nation Under a Re-Groove, Patrick Vega's Fast Movement, Bill Nelson's After The Satellite Sings, Jerry Reed's The Essential Jerry Reed, and Chuck Mangione's Greatest Hits. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 17 09:26:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1HEJlQ18270; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:19:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:19:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c3f561$199abcf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: TOUR SPAM: Mexican/California Border Towns LIVE LOOPING TOUR Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 06:18:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA 2/19 1st SAN DIEGO LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL featuring: Rick Walkers' L()()p.p()()L and LUIS ANGULO (special guest artist from Germany) RELAY (featuring GARY LEHMAN) THE SPACE 916 West Washington Street, San Diego Jueves 19 de Febrero / THURSDAY, February 19 8 pm $5 sliding scale/door info: rubble@trummerflora.com MEXICALI, MEXICO 2/20 "noche uno de musica cyclica" featuring: Rick Walkers' L()()p.p()()L and LUIS ANGULO (special guest artist from Germany) CAFE LITERARIO Blvd. Lopez Mateos/Teatro del Estado Viernes 20 de Febrero / FRIDAY, February 20 hora 20 pm 30 pesos/3dlls. 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----------741310673046425-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 17 10:11:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1HF9Be27260; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:09:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:09:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200402171500.i1HF0b826221@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200402171500.i1HF0b826221@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3BF7EFBA-615B-11D8-87BF-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gear of yore [was RE: 16 second delay reissue a reality] Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:09:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My first recording setup was a dual-cassette jambox with the same sort of mic-in mixing arrangement. You could record onto one cassette, put that one in the playback-only deck, do a live overdub onto a second cassette, and repeat until noise overwhelmed everything. I had one of those mini-casio keyboards with a rhythm machine built in and a Rockman for my guitar. I also used the jambox as my guitar monitor when I was practicing... TravisH On Feb 17, 2004, at 7:00 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I actually pine occasionally for my old Panasonic (mono) Cassette > recorder-Radio, which had a setting on it that predated "Karaoke" use, > where > I could play out of the speaker while also recording. I suspect it > was so > one could listen to the radio while recording, but for some reason it > was > wired to that MIC IN was also part of the input. I fried the > daylights out > of that thing, to the point where it could only be used to plug my > guitar > and effects into, an audiophile's nightmare at best. I didn't need a > fuzz > box, just my Wah-Wah and a Small Stone. The fried throughput of the > recorder-radio was loud-sounding but not really that loud, if you get > my > drift. Kind of like how some folks can sing like what's-his-name from > Ratt > but not have to scream to do it? It'd been great for busking, he > wrote 20 > years on... > > Did anyone else do this to a recorder-radio? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 17 11:51:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1HGi6S13206; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:44:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:44:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Artisan Lap Steel Review Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:44:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F575.4114D950" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F575.4114D950 Content-Type: text/plain Thought I would post this since there are a few on this list that loop lap steels. Thanks in advance to John Mazzarella for some offlist beginner's tips. I got this Artisan lap steel from Musician's Friend to see if I could do something with it. It is a 2003 Chinese-made lap steel guitar with one single-coil strat-style pickup, a volume control and a tone control. It also comes with a GIG BAG that has multiple handles. You can even wear it like a backpack! There is a decent enough sized velcro front pocket to hold picks, slides, etc. All that for 79.99! It even gets decent reviews on the otherwise cynical HARMONY-CENTRAL Gear Reviews: HARMONY-CENTRAL REVIEWS: http://tinyurl.com/2gb4b BUY AT MUSICIAN'S FRIEND: $79.99 w/gigbackpack http://tinyurl.com/37vzh Apparently they are also marketed under different names, like "Sonica" and "Surf City", and often turn up on Ebay under that name. Turns out it is a very inspirational little piece. I think it needs a little fatter strings, but it has a real good sound. No obvious buzzes or hums that I can tell so far. The thing is 79.99 plus s&h. Comes in blue sparkle, red sparkle, or black sparkle. All with chrome pickguard. (I got black) At the very least it would provide a decent backup for you lap steel loopers out there. BUY AT MUSICIAN'S FRIEND: $79.99 w/gigbackpack http://tinyurl.com/37vzh Thanks, Don Makoviney ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F575.4114D950 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Artisan Lap Steel Review

Thought I would post this since there are a few on = this list that loop lap steels.

Thanks in advance to John Mazzarella for some offlist = beginner's tips.

I got this Artisan lap steel from Musician's Friend = to see if I could do something with it. It is a 2003 Chinese-made lap = steel guitar with one single-coil strat-style pickup, a volume control = and a tone control.

It also comes with a GIG BAG that has multiple = handles. You can even wear it like a backpack! There is a decent enough = sized velcro front pocket to hold picks, slides, etc.

All that for 79.99!

It even gets decent reviews on the otherwise cynical = HARMONY-CENTRAL Gear Reviews:

HARMONY-CENTRAL REVIEWS:
http://tinyurl.com/2gb4b

BUY AT MUSICIAN'S FRIEND:
$79.99 w/gigbackpack
http://tinyurl.com/37vzh

Apparently they are also marketed under different = names, like "Sonica" and "Surf City", and often = turn up on Ebay under that name.

Turns out it is a very inspirational little piece. I = think it needs a little fatter strings, but it has a real good sound. = No obvious buzzes or hums that I can tell so far.

The thing is 79.99 plus s&h. Comes in blue = sparkle, red sparkle, or black sparkle. All with chrome pickguard. (I = got black)

At the very least it would provide a decent backup = for you lap steel loopers out there.

BUY AT MUSICIAN'S FRIEND:
$79.99 w/gigbackpack
http://tinyurl.com/37vzh

Thanks,

Don Makoviney

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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:56:53 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 02/17/2004 04:56:55 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings...I'm making some life changes here, and would love to query this group on a few topics that aren't strictly looping related, like about moving to a new area, good venues for selling guitar gear/books/videos, getting started with having a web-site, and the like...anybody object to this OT stuff? (from MY pov, ANYthing I do is loop-related!) Thanks... David Coffin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 17 19:29:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1I0NIX02431; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:23:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:23:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:23:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Loopers in Japan? From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040216135708.40596.qmail@web13009.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3159890601_13425254" Resent-Message-ID: <3CbwgC.A.4l.2BrMAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3159890601_13425254 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable This is broader improvisational music-inclusive, but one thing you should definitely check out is Festival Beyond Innocence, which a guy named Kazuhisa Uchihashi organizes every year in Kobe. It=B9s an amazing event with international avant garde and experimental musicians of all flavors. His website is http://www.japanimprov.com/kuchihashi/index.html Even (I think) more mind-blowing is a performance troupe that Uchihashi doe= s the music for every year called I-Shin-Ha. He does indeed use a jamman or something as part of his setup. But this piece of performance theater is unbelievable. The whole production crew lives on site at the Osaka World Trade Center for like two or three months in this sort of Wild West shantytown that they create, and then they do two weeks of performances. Dan --=20 ghost 7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com on 2/16/04 8:57 AM, gsj3 at gsj32002@yahoo.com wrote: > hi! > =20 > I am living in Tokyo, and interested in making contacts to other loopers = here > to compare notes and learn about/organize some loop events. Anybody out > there? =20 > =20 > Best, > =20 > Gregory > =20 >=20 > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online > --B_3159890601_13425254 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Loopers in Japan? This is broader improvisational music-inclusive, but o= ne thing you should definitely check out is Festival Beyond Innocence, which= a guy named Kazuhisa Uchihashi organizes every year in Kobe. It’s an = amazing event with international avant garde and experimental musicians of a= ll flavors. His website is http://www.japanimprov.com/kuchihashi/index.html<= BR>
Even (I think) more mind-blowing is a performance troupe that Uchihashi doe= s the music for every year called I-Shin-Ha. He does indeed use a jamman or = something as part of his setup. But this piece of performance theater is unb= elievable. The whole production crew lives on site at the Osaka World Trade = Center for like two or three months in this sort of Wild West shantytown tha= t they create, and then they do two weeks of performances.

Dan


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on 2/16/04 8:57 AM, gsj3 at gsj32002@yahoo.com wrote:

hi!
 
I am living in Tokyo, and interested in making contacts to other loopers he= re to compare notes and learn about/organize some loop events.  Anybody= out there?  
 
Best,
 
Gregory
 
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online <http://us.rd.yaho= o.com/evt=3D22055/*http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html>

--B_3159890601_13425254-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 00:10:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1I57sX21016; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:07:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:07:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Subject: OT: Roland ready Tele Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 0:07:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040218050726.QFVA25917.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Resent-Message-ID: <7QSvYB.A.QIF.qMvMAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I recently bought a new '72 Fender Tele Custom reissue and set it up with a Roland GK-2A synth pickup. I've just taken a new direction and won't be using this guitar. If anyone is interested in buying it please contact me at paul_sanders@adelphia.net. It's about 2 months old and has a brand new GK-2A. I've modified the ashtray pickup plate to fit the GK-2A, and it turns out it's a perfect height to get the ideal 1mm clearance. So you get a mega cool classic Tele and all the flexiblity of the Synth. One of the cooler combos I've seen. Oh, and this guitar is black, so the syth pickup doesn't stick out like a sore thumb! Any takers email me and I'll give the particulars, otherwise it's off to Ebay we go. Thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 03:38:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1I8aus19728; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 03:36:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 03:36:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Artisan Lap Steel Review Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:36:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3F5B7.4C98ABC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcP1dVai4WQvlwoyRKuIGxNSgE3aPQAhPMoQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3F5B7.4C98ABC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm - not much of a review but certainly a commercial for Musicians Friend :-) _____ From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Artisan Lap Steel Review Thought I would post this since there are a few on this list that loop lap steels. Thanks in advance to John Mazzarella for some offlist beginner's tips. I got this Artisan lap steel from Musician's Friend to see if I could do something with it. It is a 2003 Chinese-made lap steel guitar with one single-coil strat-style pickup, a volume control and a tone control. It also comes with a GIG BAG that has multiple handles. You can even wear it like a backpack! There is a decent enough sized velcro front pocket to hold picks, slides, etc. All that for 79.99! It even gets decent reviews on the otherwise cynical HARMONY-CENTRAL Gear Reviews: HARMONY-CENTRAL REVIEWS: http://tinyurl.com/2gb4b BUY AT MUSICIAN'S FRIEND: $79.99 w/gigbackpack http://tinyurl.com/37vzh Apparently they are also marketed under different names, like "Sonica" and "Surf City", and often turn up on Ebay under that name. Turns out it is a very inspirational little piece. I think it needs a little fatter strings, but it has a real good sound. No obvious buzzes or hums that I can tell so far. The thing is 79.99 plus s&h. Comes in blue sparkle, red sparkle, or black sparkle. All with chrome pickguard. (I got black) At the very least it would provide a decent backup for you lap steel loopers out there. BUY AT MUSICIAN'S FRIEND: $79.99 w/gigbackpack http://tinyurl.com/37vzh Thanks, Don Makoviney ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3F5B7.4C98ABC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Artisan Lap Steel Review

Hmm – not much of a review = but certainly a commercial for Musicians Friend J

 

 

 

From: Don = Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February = 17, 2004 8:44 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Artisan Lap = Steel Review

 

Thought I would post this since there are a few on this list that loop lap = steels.

Thanks in advance to John Mazzarella for some offlist beginner's = tips.

I got this Artisan lap steel from Musician's Friend to see if I could do = something with it. It is a 2003 Chinese-made lap steel guitar with one single-coil strat-style pickup, a volume control and a tone = control.

It also comes with a GIG BAG that has multiple handles. You can even wear it = like a backpack! There is a decent enough sized velcro front pocket to hold = picks, slides, etc.

All that for 79.99!

It even gets decent reviews on the otherwise cynical HARMONY-CENTRAL Gear = Reviews:

HARMONY-CENTRAL REVIEWS:
http://tinyurl.com/2gb4b =

BUY AT MUSICIAN'S FRIEND:
$79.99 = w/gigbackpack
http://tinyurl.com/37vzh =

Apparently they are also marketed under different names, like "Sonica" = and "Surf City", and often turn up = on Ebay under that name.

Turns out it is a very inspirational little piece. I think it needs a little = fatter strings, but it has a real good sound. No obvious buzzes or hums that I = can tell so far.

The thing is 79.99 plus s&h. Comes in blue sparkle, red sparkle, or black = sparkle. All with chrome pickguard. (I got black)

At the very least it would provide a decent backup for you lap steel loopers = out there.

BUY AT MUSICIAN'S FRIEND:
$79.99 = w/gigbackpack
http://tinyurl.com/37vzh =

Thanks,

Don Makoviney

------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3F5B7.4C98ABC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 04:05:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1I944p26390; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 04:04:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 04:04:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:03:58 +0100 Subject: Elixir strings good for looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Since there seems to be quite a lot of guitar players on this list I'm hoping this is not too off topic. My brother gave me a set of Elixir strings for Christmas gift and I have found them very good. A bit tricky to bend but for looping these strings rock, since they do not loose treble to the grease on my cello bow. I'll never go back to normal strings now! ;-) Normal strings get wasted by one gig if I bow them. I had to buy a set of Elixir strings for my acoustic as well to try out. I never bow the acoustic (has to be a strat styled cut-away body for the bow to hit the strings right) but it seems as you can minimize the fingering noise with Elixir strings. And that is good for looping. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 04:33:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1I9VXC29882; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 04:31:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 04:31:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: distorted after being left on... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F601.EC4EC3DA" Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:31:01 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: <434F4E9F549A31418AB4D7EFF99B87AC02374F@mail.t-l.no> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: distorted after being left on... Thread-Index: AcP2AemTrqIkon36Q1uL9h6xBrD79Q== From: "Mark Red" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F601.EC4EC3DA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wondering if anyone has the same thing, that when the EDP is left on overnight, its distorted in the morning??? A switch off and on again does the trick but... been caught out a couple of times, fiddling with mixer send levels, and input levels, etc.. =20 Anyone...?? Bueler...? Anyone...? =20 =20 Mark ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F601.EC4EC3DA Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just wondering if anyone has the same thing, that = when the EDP is left on overnight, its distorted in = the morning??? A switch off and on again does the trick but... been caught = out a couple of times, fiddling with mixer send levels, and input levels, = etc..

 

Anyone...??  =  Bueler...? Anyone...?

 

 

Mark

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F601.EC4EC3DA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 07:27:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1ICQGj27523; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:26:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:26:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c3f61a$62488bd0$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: another Guitarists OT Elixir strings good for looping Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:26:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per hey you got an endorsement or what ?? let me me feed the OT playing elixirs is like making love with a condom no feel, no fingering noize, no juice, but some have to..... expensive too uerk Claude > Hi, > > Since there seems to be quite a lot of guitar players on this list I'm > hoping this is not too off topic. My brother gave me a set of Elixir strings > for Christmas gift and I have found them very good. A bit tricky to bend but > for looping these strings rock, since they do not loose treble to the grease > on my cello bow. I'll never go back to normal strings now! ;-) Normal > strings get wasted by one gig if I bow them. > > I had to buy a set of Elixir strings for my acoustic as well to try out. I > never bow the acoustic (has to be a strat styled cut-away body for the bow > to hit the strings right) but it seems as you can minimize the fingering > noise with Elixir strings. And that is good for looping. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > -- > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 08:46:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1IDiHW15779; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:44:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:44:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <113.2eef0014.2d64c62d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:44:13 EST Subject: Re: OT: Roland ready Tele To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_113.2eef0014.2d64c62d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_113.2eef0014.2d64c62d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit howdy, what kind of pickups are on the tele? does it have a 3 or 6 piece bridge? what is the neck radius and material? how much? is everything included? thanks, =-) PJ --part1_113.2eef0014.2d64c62d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable howdy,
    what kind of pickups are on the tele? does it have a 3 or= 6 piece bridge? what is the neck radius and material? how much? is everythi= ng included? thanks, =3D-) PJ --part1_113.2eef0014.2d64c62d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 09:11:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1IE9ws22535; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:09:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:09:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:39:30 +0100 Subject: Re: another Guitarists OT Elixir strings good for looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c3f61a$62488bd0$0100a8c0@mini> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-18 13.26, "Claude Voit" wrote: > Per > > hey you got an endorsement or what ?? > let me me feed the OT > playing elixirs is like making love with a condom > no feel, no fingering noize, no juice, but some have to..... > > expensive too > > uerk > > Claude No endorsement, it's just that I have never bothered to try them before. The idea of covering steel in plastic seemed... perverted. Yes, they are expensive but they also last longer. I agree that they feel strange to play, but I don't play instruments to please my fingers desires in the first place ;-) The sound that comes out is great with those strings. And I have not found another solution to the grease problem when bowing the guitar for looping. For me elixir is a usable workaround when playing a concert and wanting to use the bow ruining my strings. The alternative is to have two guitars with normal strings - one for bowing and one for all other playing. But that's no good idea for looping. When you loop you want to have many different sounds available with one instruments, and that's what the elixir strings allows me to. In the studio I would rather use normal strings like I'm used to since you can do all the bowing on one day and then put new strings on the guitar. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 09:33:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1IEVoE25898; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:31:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:31:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Another possible mainstream looper? Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:31:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F62B.F0FA2DA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F62B.F0FA2DA0 Content-Type: text/plain Not phenomenal, but good. Good party music in the vein of G. Love & Special Sauce, Sublime, Ben Harper, or Slightly Stoopid. Brock http://www.brockband.com Solo looping song http://www.brockband.com/media/mp3/BROCK-RiseToTheTop.mp3 It looks like he does two sets when he plays. He plays one set by himself, looping. And then he adds the band for the second set. The looping is very simple- bass, muted string percussion, guitar body percussion, bass, and rhythm guitar. Some minor loop stutters and stuff. Other than that pretty straightforward. Just an FYI. Thanks, D-MAK ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F62B.F0FA2DA0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another possible mainstream looper?

Not phenomenal, but good. Good party music in the = vein of G. Love & Special Sauce, Sublime, Ben Harper, or Slightly = Stoopid.

Brock
http://www.brockband.com

Solo looping song
http://www.brockband.com/media/mp3/BROCK-RiseToTheTop.= mp3

It looks like he does two sets when he plays. He = plays one set by himself, looping. And then he adds the band for the = second set.

The looping is very simple- bass, muted string = percussion, guitar body percussion, bass, and rhythm guitar. Some minor = loop stutters and stuff. Other than that pretty = straightforward.

Just an FYI.

Thanks,

D-MAK

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F62B.F0FA2DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 09:57:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1IEs8I29712; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:54:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:54:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "AvgJoe" To: Subject: RE: Roland ready Tele Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:53:47 -0500 Message-ID: <013301c3f62f$038c2d80$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20040218050726.QFVA25917.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i1IEs7629689 Resent-Message-ID: <7w6m_.A.JQH.Qy3MAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Enough people have responded directly to me on this guitar I'm going to go ahead and post the parciculars to the list rather than repeat the process to each individual. Then, should anyone be interested in proceeding, please contact me offlist. Ok, here we go. I bought this brand new 2 months ago for $669 + tax. Here's link to this guitar at Fender's website. The black one is shown, and is the same as mine. http://www.fender.com/products/show.php?partno=0137502 Stock it's got a '72 Tele Custom Reissue. It's got the large "Fender Wide Range" humbucker in the neck position and a standard Tele single coil in the bridge. The neck is a vintage style neck with Fender's "U" shape. Plenty of girth, not too thin, which I personally prefer. Now, from stock here's what I've done. 1. Installed a chrome plated brass "Fender patent pending" bridge plate with brass saddles' 2. Installed a brand new Roland GK-2A Synth pickup, control unit is attached with the felt lined plates which claps over the front and rear of the body of the guitar. No permanent attachement. Note, the bridge plate was notched and the very bottom tip of the pick guard had to be trimmed to accomodate the pickup. It's all very clean though and the pickups sits across the Tele ashtray bridge at just the right height. I get very strong signal response into the GI20 with this setup. As good as I got with my Godin LGXT. The original bridge plate and saddles are included, BTW. 3. Swapped the stock Tele brige pickup with a Rio Grande Muy Grand tele bridge pickup. It's a lot beefier than a stock tele bridge pickup, and balances well in volume with the neck pickup. Other than that, she's stock. I had figured on swapping the pickup back out and putting the stock one back in, but I'll price this both ways. The original brige and saddles will be included should you want to just go straight Tele with no Synth pickup, and of course the nice Fender gig bag: By the way, I'm a guitar geek, and I always play all I can get my hands on and find the one that feels the best put together, lightest, etc. This one was the cream of the crop for the Metro Atlanta area. Price I paid for the guitar new less than 2 months ago: $669 + tax Price with stock pickups reinstalled: $599 Price with Rio Grande Muy Grand: $675 (the Rio Grande cost me $90 plus shipping) With this price I'll also include the stock bridge pickup. For saving me the hassle of going throught the tedius Ebay listing process, I'll pay for shipping! Those who wanted to see pictures, I'll take some shortly and email them to you. Thanks, Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: paul_sanders@adelphia.net [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 12:08 AM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Roland ready Tele > > > Hi all, > > I recently bought a new '72 Fender Tele Custom reissue and > set it up with a Roland GK-2A synth pickup. > > I've just taken a new direction and won't be using this guitar. > > If anyone is interested in buying it please contact me at > paul_sanders@adelphia.net. It's about 2 months old and has a > brand new GK-2A. I've modified the ashtray pickup plate to > fit the GK-2A, and it turns out it's a perfect height to get > the ideal 1mm clearance. > > So you get a mega cool classic Tele and all the flexiblity of > the Synth. One of the cooler combos I've seen. Oh, and this > guitar is black, so the syth pickup doesn't stick out like a > sore thumb! > > Any takers email me and I'll give the particulars, otherwise > it's off to Ebay we go. > > Thanks, > > Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 10:24:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1IFKX902566; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:20:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:20:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Subject: EDP foot controller: touch buttons Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:20:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040218151957.BHMJ25917.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, To you EDP users, those who'e used the foot controller that's designed for it: Have you experienced touchy behavior from the record button? I'm finding mine extremely sensitive in that I'll try to step on it for record and when I release it senses another button push (ending record) and I end up with this tiny short loop. Also, on a long push to clear the recording, on release it will start recording again, apparently sensing yet another push. Is this characteristic of the cheap switches in these units? Will replacing them with better switches resolve this? Thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 10:45:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1IFhD205801; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:43:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:43:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Frank Schultz" To: Subject: RE: EDP foot controller: touch buttons Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:43:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c3f635$ecba2e70$6401a8c0@your6bvpxyztoq> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040218151957.BHMJ25917.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I usually clean (Deoxit D5) the 1/4" plugs on the cable connecting the EDP and the foot controller, and connectors - and that takes care of the problem for me. Frank -----Original Message----- From: paul_sanders@adelphia.net [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:20 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP foot controller: touch buttons Hi all, To you EDP users, those who'e used the foot controller that's designed for it: Have you experienced touchy behavior from the record button? I'm finding mine extremely sensitive in that I'll try to step on it for record and when I release it senses another button push (ending record) and I end up with this tiny short loop. Also, on a long push to clear the recording, on release it will start recording again, apparently sensing yet another push. Is this characteristic of the cheap switches in these units? Will replacing them with better switches resolve this? Thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 12:10:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1IH66F30677; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:06:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:06:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: OT: OK, here goes... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:06:27 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 02/18/2004 12:06:29 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a pretty vast collection of guitar books and videos I'm thinning out and wonder if anybody here has any suggestions about good lists/sites to post FS notices to. I've kinda sorted them into bundles (Jazz/theory/scales, Rock/blues/CW, book/CD packages, etc) not wanting the bother of selling them one by one...anybody know of any sites that offer used material like this, for pricing reference? Thanks! dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 12:20:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1IHH1A01472; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:17:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:17:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040218171655.5800.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:16:55 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Repeater for sale in UK To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200402161756.i1GHukl21768@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Someone on the Repeater User's list at Yahoo groups just posted that he wants to sell his rarely used Repeater. Go over to that site and check the past day or two of posts and you'll see it. Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 12:49:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1IHknU08499; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:46:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:46:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Robert Donnelly-Jackson" To: Subject: FW: vcs3 user manuals Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:47:12 -0000 Message-ID: <000201c3f647$3d3cede0$8514a8c0@royalexchange.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <_pdH1C.A.rEC.JU6MAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Donnelly-Jackson [mailto:robert.donnelly-jackson@royalexchange.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: vcs3 user manuals help ! ! ! ! have VSC3 \but can not get hold of msanual anywhere sorry for shortness of type...in rush Any onbe who can help email robdonnellyjackson@hotmail.com or robert.donnelly-jackson@royalexchange.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 13:40:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1IIbfs20739; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:37:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:37:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c3f64e$44feff30$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <000701c3f635$ecba2e70$6401a8c0@your6bvpxyztoq> Subject: Re: EDP foot controller: touch buttons Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:37:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul first please check if you didnt set the edp to record SUS Claude > > To you EDP users, those who'e used the foot controller that's designed > for it: > > Have you experienced touchy behavior from the record button? I'm finding > mine extremely sensitive in that I'll try to step on it for record and > when I release it senses another button push (ending record) and I end > up with this tiny short loop. > > Also, on a long push to clear the recording, on release it will start > recording again, apparently sensing yet another push. > > Is this characteristic of the cheap switches in these units? Will > replacing them with better switches resolve this? > > Thanks, > > Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 13:42:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1IIbp820783; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:37:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:37:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "AvgJoe" To: Subject: RE: Roland ready Tele Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:37:30 -0500 Message-ID: <015001c3f64e$446c3510$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <013301c3f62f$038c2d80$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BTW, I have photos now. Anyone interested in buying the guitar feel free to request them offlist. Thanks, Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: AvgJoe [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:54 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Roland ready Tele > > > Enough people have responded directly to me on this guitar > I'm going to go ahead and post the parciculars to the list > rather than repeat the process to each individual. Then, > should anyone be interested in proceeding, please contact me offlist. > > Ok, here we go. > > I bought this brand new 2 months ago for $669 + tax. Here's > link to this guitar at Fender's website. The black one is > shown, and is the same as mine. > > http://www.fender.com/products/show.php?partno=0137502 > > Stock it's got a '72 Tele Custom Reissue. It's got the large > "Fender Wide Range" humbucker in the neck position and a > standard Tele single coil in the bridge. The neck is a > vintage style neck with Fender's "U" shape. Plenty of girth, > not too thin, which I personally prefer. > > Now, from stock here's what I've done. > > 1. Installed a chrome plated brass "Fender patent pending" > bridge plate with brass saddles' > > 2. Installed a brand new Roland GK-2A Synth pickup, control > unit is attached with the felt lined plates which claps over > the front and rear of the body of the guitar. No permanent > attachement. Note, the bridge plate was notched and the very > bottom tip of the pick guard had to be trimmed to accomodate > the pickup. It's all very clean though and the pickups sits > across the Tele ashtray bridge at just the right height. I > get very strong signal response into the GI20 with this > setup. As good as I got with my Godin LGXT. The original > bridge plate and saddles are included, BTW. > > 3. Swapped the stock Tele brige pickup with a Rio Grande Muy > Grand tele bridge pickup. It's a lot beefier than a stock > tele bridge pickup, and balances well in volume with the neck pickup. > > Other than that, she's stock. > > I had figured on swapping the pickup back out and putting the > stock one back in, but I'll price this both ways. The > original brige and saddles will be included should you want > to just go straight Tele with no Synth pickup, and of course > the nice Fender gig bag: > > By the way, I'm a guitar geek, and I always play all I can > get my hands on and find the one that feels the best put > together, lightest, etc. This one was the cream of the crop > for the Metro Atlanta area. > > Price I paid for the guitar new less than 2 months ago: $669 + tax > > Price with stock pickups reinstalled: $599 > Price with Rio Grande Muy Grand: $675 (the Rio Grande cost > me $90 plus > shipping) > With this price I'll also include the stock bridge pickup. > > For saving me the hassle of going throught the tedius Ebay > listing process, I'll pay for shipping! > > Those who wanted to see pictures, I'll take some shortly and > email them to you. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: paul_sanders@adelphia.net [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 12:08 AM > > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: OT: Roland ready Tele > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I recently bought a new '72 Fender Tele Custom reissue and > > set it up with a Roland GK-2A synth pickup. > > > > I've just taken a new direction and won't be using this guitar. > > > > If anyone is interested in buying it please contact me at > > paul_sanders@adelphia.net. It's about 2 months old and has a > > brand new GK-2A. I've modified the ashtray pickup plate to > > fit the GK-2A, and it turns out it's a perfect height to get > > the ideal 1mm clearance. > > > > So you get a mega cool classic Tele and all the flexiblity of > > the Synth. One of the cooler combos I've seen. Oh, and this > > guitar is black, so the syth pickup doesn't stick out like a > > sore thumb! > > > > Any takers email me and I'll give the particulars, otherwise > > it's off to Ebay we go. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 18:24:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1INLvo04103; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:21:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:21:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:23:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: another Guitarists OT Elixir strings good for looping From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: rAQM7yZeweP8rnV-8wqFXCeEYI1DLPZyuvhHHwoe969DLJul9NbcEe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...speaking of guitar strings, I just quit D'Addario's in favour of some pure nickel strings apparently made by someone in the UK by the name of Richard Rider. Much better tone and extremely long lasting. Available at a German online store called tonetoys. I am in no way affiliated but have tried several types of solid nickel (as opposed to just nickel plated) strings and liked these best. Sorry for the OT. Regards, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 18:58:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1INsnt07795; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:54:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:54:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040218235443.7815.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:54:43 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Looking for Gibson EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006501c3f561$199abcf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anybody has a gibson EDP either bage or blackface let me know i am looking to buy one right away thanx Louie ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 20:27:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1J1PKj20269; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:25:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:25:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01c3f698$51975540$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: AudioMulch LiveLooper & CannonLooper... Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:27:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have any luck getting these to work for music? I just downloaded. I don't quite understand the interface, and there are no docs. The website indicates they were "included by accident." Just got a laptop. 2.4gHz, P4, running a MOTU 828mkII. Latency: 2.9ms @ 44.1kHz. Pre-processing loops with a Yamaha A5000 sampler-as-effects-box, and trying to post-process with AudioMulch. It would be neat to be able to bounce loops to AudioMulch from the EDP... -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 20:41:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1J1bZj22115; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:37:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:37:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200402181720.i1IHKZh02504@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200402181720.i1IHKZh02504@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2EA66E48-627C-11D8-8470-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: EDP foot controller: touch buttons Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:37:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've encountered erratic behavior if you get dirt in the switches, such as when you're playing somewhere with a lot of grit on the floor. If after a few tunes you start to notice an accumulation of fine black particles around the oft-used switches, get down there and clean everything off ASAP. If possible, sweep the area you're going to be standing on before you start playing. In really dirty situations, you may want to open up the footpedal and blow everything out with a can of compressed air once you get home. The more-expensive switch option often introduces its own problems, such as decreased accuracy from the longer throw/greater force required, and an increase in the acoustic switching noise. TravisH On Feb 18, 2004, at 9:20 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: EDP foot controller: touch buttons > > > Hi all, > > To you EDP users, those who'e used the foot controller that's designed > for it: > > Have you experienced touchy behavior from the record button? I'm > finding mine extremely sensitive in that I'll try to step on it for > record and when I release it senses another button push (ending > record) and I end up with this tiny short loop. > > Also, on a long push to clear the recording, on release it will start > recording again, apparently sensing yet another push. > > Is this characteristic of the cheap switches in these units? Will > replacing them with better switches resolve this? > > Thanks, > > Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 22:04:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1J32DH02314; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:02:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:02:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040219030203.22709.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:02:03 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Subject: Website help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello--my name is Matt Herman, and I'm a(n oftentimes) looping Stickist/guitarist looking to start his own website to post mp3s and other info (not to mention photos), and I'm wondering if anyone has any advice that they'd like to share as to the best way to do this. Any interested can check out my current mp3 page at funender.com/music/herman. Thanks! Matt Herman __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 22:13:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1J3Bbd03874; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:11:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:11:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009d01c3f6a5$1efc6500$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: Soundart Chameleon... Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:59:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wonder if you could program a looper into this thing... http://www.soundart-hot.com/english/index.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 22:49:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1J3mO307992; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:48:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:48:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tom@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009d01c3f6a5$1efc6500$0200a8c0@amd> References: <009d01c3f6a5$1efc6500$0200a8c0@amd> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:47:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Soundart Chameleon... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Wonder if you could program a looper into this thing... > >http://www.soundart-hot.com/english/index.htm hot damn! and it's cheap too! /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 22:53:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1J3pZp08446; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:51:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:51:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040219035129.15324.qmail@web80208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:51:29 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Soundart Chameleon... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009d01c3f6a5$1efc6500$0200a8c0@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-145155296-1077162689=:14703" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-145155296-1077162689=:14703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i was toying with the idea of buying one (until i found out that the euro is beating the dollar - doh!) and man, what a cool idea. the soundclips sound fine and it's about as open-source as it gets...the guys at soundart are very cool and very open to new ideas for skins...i think they were most recently batting around the idea of a sequencer skin. -jim --0-145155296-1077162689=:14703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
i was toying with the idea of buying one (until i found out that the euro is beating the dollar - doh!) and man, what a cool idea.  the soundclips sound fine and it's about as open-source as it gets...the guys at soundart are very cool and very open to new ideas for skins...i think they were most recently batting around the idea of a sequencer skin.
 
-jim
--0-145155296-1077162689=:14703-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 22:58:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1J3vfO09552; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:57:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:57:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40343190.4070207@iinet.net.au> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:46:25 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Macintosh/20040208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Soundart Chameleon... References: <009d01c3f6a5$1efc6500$0200a8c0@amd> In-Reply-To: <009d01c3f6a5$1efc6500$0200a8c0@amd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Wonder if you could program a looper into this thing... > >http://www.soundart-hot.com/english/index.htm > > > > > > I think this was discussed quite a while ago on list when the Chameleon was just specs on paper. The short of it is that the chameleon lacks the memory to make it worthwhile. Could be wrong though. regards omjn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 23:19:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1J4HiP13764; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:17:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:17:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40343632.4030601@iinet.net.au> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:06:10 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Macintosh/20040208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AudioMulch LiveLooper & CannonLooper... References: <007e01c3f698$51975540$0200a8c0@amd> In-Reply-To: <007e01c3f698$51975540$0200a8c0@amd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Anyone have any luck getting these to work for music? > >I just downloaded. I don't quite understand the interface, and there are no >docs. The website indicates they were "included by accident." > >Just got a laptop. 2.4gHz, P4, running a MOTU 828mkII. Latency: 2.9ms @ >44.1kHz. Pre-processing loops with a Yamaha A5000 sampler-as-effects-box, >and trying to post-process with AudioMulch. > >It would be neat to be able to bounce loops to AudioMulch from the EDP... > >-J > > > > > > Hi Jesse, Your setup seems very similar to myself, except I'm not using a laptop. Have been using AM to process the EDP's loops, as well as using the 4 x 40 second midi synced delays of my Korg Oasys. You can get some real mayhem going on, but some sweet things start happening when it gets under control. Are you on the AM mailing list. Lots of excellent tips there, and some info about the looping contraptions, but not much. Basically these contraptions are in an alpha state according to Ross, the one-man team behind audiomulch. In otherwords, they are very raw. I recall from the mailing list that they need 512mb of ram just for those contraptions. As for how they function, your guess is as good as anyones until Ross gets around to producing some docs. Anyway, good luck with figuring those loopers out. cheers Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 18 23:37:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1J4a8616387; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:36:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:36:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40343C6B.1040704@iinet.net.au> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:32:43 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Macintosh/20040208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Soundart Chameleon... References: <009d01c3f6a5$1efc6500$0200a8c0@amd> <40343190.4070207@iinet.net.au> In-Reply-To: <40343190.4070207@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com seems like someone is working on a live looper already: http://perso.club-internet.fr/raphael.mouneyres/mozer/looper0.htm omjn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 19 02:23:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1J7MAu05963; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:22:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:22:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:21:55 +0100 Subject: Re: Soundart Chameleon... From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40343C6B.1040704@iinet.net.au> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-19 05.32, "mjnoble" wrote: > seems like someone is working on a live looper already: > http://perso.club-internet.fr/raphael.mouneyres/mozer/looper0.htm > omjn Interesting! But what connection to "Soundart Chameleon" did you find? Best regards Per Boysen -- http://www.boysen.se Public Music Beta Testing http://www.looproom.com/p2p/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 19 03:43:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1J8gHE16463; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 03:42:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 03:42:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:42:14 +0000 Subject: Re: Website help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20040219030203.22709.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <840CA230-62B7-11D8-954B-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do this stuff and teach it for a living, so I could carry on for hours, but basically you want to: a. purchase a domain name like www.yourname.com (try www.godaddy.com - cheap). b. purchase web hosting (the above will host your site as well - also cheap). c. Build some web pages - this is of course the tricky bit, as you will need to either learn HTML and write the code by hand, or use an editing program like Dreamweaver to create pages visually. If you want to do things 'properly', then take the first route, start really simple, and add stuff as you get more advanced. You will find plenty of information online regarding coding HTML (which is actually very easy), but check out www.webmonkey.com for good novice tutorials. Allowing users to download your music via mp3 files is straightforward. Feel free to contact me off-list if you want more information. cheers Paul On Thursday, February 19, 2004, at 03:02 am, Matt wrote: > Hello--my name is Matt Herman, and I'm a(n oftentimes) > looping Stickist/guitarist looking to start his own > website to post mp3s and other info (not to mention > photos), and I'm wondering if anyone has any advice > that they'd like to share as to the best way to do > this. Any interested can check out my current mp3 > page at funender.com/music/herman. > Thanks! > Matt Herman > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 19 05:43:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1JAfKg29807; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:41:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:41:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40349300.5020302@free.fr> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:42:08 +0100 From: Luca Bonvini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for Gibson EDP References: <20040218235443.7815.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Me too, here in France, Luca L. Angulo a écrit: > If anybody has a gibson EDP either bage or blackface > let me know i am looking to buy one right away > thanx > Louie > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 19 09:41:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1JEdEK31296; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:39:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:39:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "AvgJoe" To: Subject: RE: EDP foot controller: touch buttons Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:38:53 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c3f6f6$193bc100$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-reply-to: <2EA66E48-627C-11D8-8470-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I discovered another thing I do sometimes with my boat feet, I accidentally hit the overdub button next to the record button! I think what I may do is get some 1/2" wood dowel, cut little pieces, about 1/4", maybe 5/8" long and glue them to the buttons I use most to give a little elevation to help prevent false hits on the adjacent buttons. Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:38 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP foot controller: touch buttons > > > I've encountered erratic behavior if you get dirt in the > switches, such > as when you're playing somewhere with a lot of grit on the floor. If > after a few tunes you start to notice an accumulation of fine black > particles around the oft-used switches, get down there and clean > everything off ASAP. If possible, sweep the area you're going to be > standing on before you start playing. In really dirty > situations, you > may want to open up the footpedal and blow everything out > with a can of > compressed air once you get home. > > The more-expensive switch option often introduces its own problems, > such as decreased accuracy from the longer throw/greater force > required, and an increase in the acoustic switching noise. > > TravisH > > > On Feb 18, 2004, at 9:20 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > Subject: EDP foot controller: touch buttons > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > To you EDP users, those who'e used the foot controller > that's designed > > for it: > > > > Have you experienced touchy behavior from the record button? I'm > > finding mine extremely sensitive in that I'll try to step on it for > > record and when I release it senses another button push (ending > > record) and I end up with this tiny short loop. > > > > Also, on a long push to clear the recording, on release it > will start > > recording again, apparently sensing yet another push. > > > > Is this characteristic of the cheap switches in these units? Will > > replacing them with better switches resolve this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 19 09:44:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1JEgXx31711; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:42:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:42:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c3f6f6$998761c0$98bd0044@tomdyy5ufajt7n> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <000201c3f647$3d3cede0$8514a8c0@royalexchange.co.uk> Subject: Re: vcs3 user manuals Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:42:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i searched the internet, and it looks like the only hits that come up refer to "Band-in-a-Box". not even Roland has info on it at their site! PG Music has a FAQ page that has some info on the VSC3, which may be all there is right now. maybe you can glean some info from that. http://www.pgmusic.com/techfaq.htm Roland VSC3 Sound Synthesizer Included An important part of "Band-in-a-Box" is the band that you actually hear - this is determined by the MIDI driver that you use for output. Most people use either an FM or Wavetable sound card or a software synthesizer. Roland has been making, in our opinion, the best quality software synthesizer - the Roland Virtual Sound Canvas (VSC). The quality of the sounds has greatly improved in the latest version of the VSC - dubbed the "VSC3." The sounds are so good that we put them to the test as a "blindfold" listening test on our web site (www.pgmusic.com/blindfold_compare.htm). We made recordings of the VSC3, various popular MIDI sound cards, sound cards with enhanced soundfonts and hardware modules. They were all playing the identical files (Classical, Jazz and Funk). The winner as voted by the visitors to the site was the Roland VSC3 - beating out the tested hardware modules and sound cards, including those with enhanced soundfonts! So now you can hear all of your MIDI Music with the new VSC3, since it works with Band-in-a-Box and most any other MIDI program that you have. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Donnelly-Jackson" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: FW: vcs3 user manuals > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Donnelly-Jackson > [mailto:robert.donnelly-jackson@royalexchange.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:42 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: vcs3 user manuals > > > help ! ! ! ! > > have VSC3 > \but can not get hold of msanual anywhere > > sorry for shortness of type...in rush > > Any onbe who can help email > > robdonnellyjackson@hotmail.com > > or > > robert.donnelly-jackson@royalexchange.co.uk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 19 15:31:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1JKSDV22038; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:28:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:28:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Website help Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:49:50 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Website help thread-index: AcP2lN0a+GTI7aLhSKyef92ZSfmwNgAhDchA From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2004 18:49:50.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[2787F350:01C3F719] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i1JKSC122012 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Matt, Another loopist/Stickist. We're everywhere. Question. Are you on StickWire? Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt [mailto:mnhad1978@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Website help > > Hello--my name is Matt Herman, and I'm a(n oftentimes) > looping Stickist/guitarist looking to start his own > website to post mp3s and other info (not to mention > photos), and I'm wondering if anyone has any advice > that they'd like to share as to the best way to do > this. Any interested can check out my current mp3 > page at funender.com/music/herman. > Thanks! > Matt Herman > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 19 16:57:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1JLtlg02389; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:55:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:55:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:17:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: SF Loop Gig Spam: Zoe Keating :: Feb 20 From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0BE94DF2-6321-11D8-9EF5-000393BAA0F6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hullo! I'm performing this Friday at 964 Natoma in SF. Live looping is an important element of all 3 bands on the program: NO NAME TRIO (long-time collaborators Tony Cross, electric violin, Mark Bernfield, percussion and Zoe Keating, cello, improvise in a groovy, soundtracky kind of way) 9:00 to 9:45 CHARLES ATLAS 10:00 to 10:45 ("never a band suited for the San Francisco club circuit; similar to Town & Country, they are that rare group, a chamber music ensemble who use rock instrumentation. " - playinginfog.com) ZOE KEATING live, looped cello 11:100 until I get booted off the stage the details: 964 Natoma Street San Francisco doors at 8:30, show at 9:00 BYOB Thank you very much! Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 20 02:58:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1K7vgI04407; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 02:57:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 02:57:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4035BDFA.8070601@iinet.net.au> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:57:46 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Macintosh/20040208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Soundart Chameleon... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen wrote: >On 04-02-19 05.32, "mjnoble" wrote: > > > >>seems like someone is working on a live looper already: >>http://perso.club-internet.fr/raphael.mouneyres/mozer/looper0.htm >>omjn >> >> > >Interesting! But what connection to "Soundart Chameleon" did you find? > >Best regards > >Per Boysen > > hi, sorry, I got to that guy's site from the Soundart developer's community page (http://www.soundart-hot.com/english/developers8.htm). He is developping for the chameleon, though his ideas seem in early stages perhaps. cheers Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 20 13:46:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1KIgPX05184; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:42:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:42:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Message-Id: <8586945D-63D4-11D8-8C9A-000A959F39C8@rosewoodblues.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Hawkins Subject: Convergence now has a hameless CD purchase for charity request... Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:42:23 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i1KIgOe05159 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Convergence has just wrapped up a years worth of recording on a CD that reaches from ambient to electronica. We are selling the cd SOLEY to help http://www.littlekidsrock.org and every penny is put toward this organization. why? well, we (the members of convergence) just wanted to try a concept of sorts concept. this concept and its history follows: "So, I have this idea…maybe it’s a dream?" These words, posted on an internet bulletin board, become the spark needed to create Convergence - The Dream. The idea behind Convergence is to use the internet as a collaboration studio. Invite eight to ten ProTools® capable musicians from around the world, and use online collaboration to blend their music together. Let one composition inspire the next, producing a full length album. None of the artists have ever meet, and all their work and ideas are communicated online. It works something like this; the first musician creates a seven minute piece of music, which is posted on a central website. This piece will become the center, or heart, of the musical journey. The next two artists, inspired by this seed, write the music they feel should come before and after this central song. Each creates new music that is intended to rise up out of the beginning or the end of the first song, transforming it into some new. One piece of music fades into the next, weaving a sonic journey. Then, the new songs are posted, and another round is soon underway. This is how the music of Convergence becomes greater than the sum of its parts. Convergence - The Dream; inspired by ProTools music software, and using the internet as a music studio, is the first musical endeavor of this kind (that we know of). We all want to help where it is possible so... CD's can be purchased at Amazon.com. http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange-glance/ Y02Y5703135Y2183466/104-8478498-0864721 for $7.00 plus sh/tax more information can be found at www.rosewoodblues.com and http://www.valvetone.com/records/convergence/index.htm however anyone on this list who wants to contact myself directly can do so and i will get it out to you. thanks for reading this far.... loop on.on.on.on ken; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 20 13:57:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1KItCO07425; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:55:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:55:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1077303308!8523348 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.5; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [146.101.242.72] Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708534047@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: vcs3 user manuals Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:56:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F7E3.36ED15D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F7E3.36ED15D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" does he mean vsc3 or vcs3 (this latter otherwise known as "the putney", a britischer elektronische instrument from 1969) d. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Donnelly-Jackson [mailto:robert.donnelly-jackson@royalexchange.co.uk] Sent: 18 February 2004 17:47 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FW: vcs3 user manuals -----Original Message----- From: Robert Donnelly-Jackson [mailto:robert.donnelly-jackson@royalexchange.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: vcs3 user manuals help ! ! ! ! have VSC3 \but can not get hold of msanual anywhere sorry for shortness of type...in rush Any onbe who can help email robdonnellyjackson@hotmail.com or robert.donnelly-jackson@royalexchange.co.uk *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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does he mean vsc3 or vcs3 (this latter otherwise known as= "the putney", a britischer elektronische instrument from 1969)

d.

-----Original Message-----
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-----Original Message-----
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help ! ! ! !

have VSC3
\but can not get hold of msanual anywhere

sorry for shortness of type...in rush

Any onbe who can help email

robdonnellyjackson@hotmail.com

or

robert.donnelly-jackson@royalexchange.co.uk



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3F7E3.36ED15D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 20 15:54:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1KKjfY04082; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:45:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:45:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C3F7FA.EA9F50E0@dyn-83-154-121-182.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: vcs3 user manuals Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:45:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C3F7FA.EA9F50E0" Resent-Message-ID: <_zstVB.A.s_.0HnNAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C3F7FA.EA9F50E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable his subject was saying vcs3 but the rest was about vsc3 which which must have been his meaning according to=20 the replies he got. Francois check some samples on http://1000.times.free.fr/ -----Message d'origine----- De: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [SMTP:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Date: vendredi 20 f=E9vrier 2004 19:56 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: RE: vcs3 user manuals does he mean vsc3 or vcs3 (this latter otherwise known as "the putney", = a britischer elektronische instrument from 1969) d. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Donnelly-Jackson [mailto:robert.donnelly-jackson@royalexchange.co.uk] Sent: 18 February 2004 17:47 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FW: vcs3 user manuals -----Original Message----- From: Robert Donnelly-Jackson [mailto:robert.donnelly-jackson@royalexchange.co.uk]=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: vcs3 user manuals help ! ! ! ! have VSC3=20 \but can not get hold of msanual anywhere sorry for shortness of type...in rush Any onbe who can help email robdonnellyjackson@hotmail.com or robert.donnelly-jackson@royalexchange.co.uk *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:11:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:11:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:11:41 +0100 Message-Id: <200402202111.i1KLBfQ25687@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Frieder Zimmermann" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: halfspeed twice Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi. i'm looper from quohren ( somwhere in germany) and i use the edp. There is a possibility to switch the 2nd loop to doublespeed, while you playing the 1st loop? thank you. Frieder Zimmermannn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 20 18:47:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1KNk1U26710; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:46:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:46:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4556274.1077320758593.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:45:58 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Seattle gig spam: Travis Hartnett Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A few solo acoustic guitar looping shows in the next week for those of you in the Seattle area: Saturday, February 21, 8PM Zoka Coffee and Tea (2200 56th Street) Tuesday, February 24, 8PM El Diablo Coffeehouse (1811 Queen Anne Avenue North) Thursday, February 26 8PM Penny Cafe (1707 NW Market) Saturday, February 28, 2-4PM Tully's Coffee (1401 4th Avenue) Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett http://www.travishartnett.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 20 21:15:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1L2EGK20098; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:14:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:14:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4036BEE0.9080007@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:13:52 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #361 for February 19, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/040219.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #361 February 19, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the Ambient Music Mailing List, part of Hyperreal's music resource archives. The Featured CD at Midnight was "ambient.02@hyperreal" disc one by members of the mailing list. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Con" by Conrad Schnitzler on EGG Records. I played the music of the Ministry of Inside Things who will be playing at the Gate to Moonbase Alpha and other area shows. See the Events Page for details. Ambient Mailing List - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#feb The Ministry of Inside Things - http://synkronosmusic.com/moit.html Event Page - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Conrad Schnitzler Zug Con (EGG) The Ministry of Inside Function Four Live on EMUSIC (Synkronos) Constance Demby Ave's Trance Spirit Trance (Valley Entertainment) Kent Sparling Pulling On a Line Under New Manna (Purling) Kent Sparling Kelvin Balance Under New Manna (Purling) Alexander Volodin The Flower Is Growing Up Reflections of Time (Electroshock) Fanger and Schonwalder Liquidrom Tape 2 Analog Overdose 2 (Manikin) VA [Gas] Microscopic ambient.02@hyperreal (none) 12:00 am VA [Mikael Hillborg] Nights ambient.02@hyperreal (none) VA [Isomorph] Subterranean Bells ambient.02@hyperreal (none) VA [Harri Hameenkorpi Nimeton 1 ambient.02@hyperreal (none) and Jussi Vaisanen] VA [Ashera] Expectations ambient.02@hyperreal (none) VA [Forrest Fang] Something in the ambient.02@hyperreal (none) Moonlight VA [Tonelab] Immerland ambient.02@hyperreal (none) VA [Stephen Phillips] Half Life of a Long ambient.02@hyperreal (none) Memory VA [Farfield] Ascent ambient.02@hyperreal (none) VA [Jason Sloan] A Dawn in the Emptiness ambient.02@hyperreal (none) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on the Ambient Music Mailing List. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "ambient.02@hyperreal" disc two by members of the mailing list. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Defense de" by Jean-Jacques Birge and Francis Gorge on the Sun label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 20 22:46:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1L3jX000929; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:45:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:45:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.19b768cb.2d682e53@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:45:23 EST Subject: luca formentini's "subterraneans" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e0.19b768cb.2d682e53_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <-7IvL.A.bO.cRtNAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e0.19b768cb.2d682e53_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit luca's CD arrived a day ago, have given it a quick listen in the midst of maddness.....THANK YOU LUCA!!!!!.....will give it several more listens over the week end and report back soon with a "review".....first impression: wonderful "deep" tones in the ambient vain.....the last couple of tunes were a bit more structured (?).....this is basically a "thank you very much, the cd arrived" post.....it is very wonderful that we can exchange music like this and really get a feel for how we all so differently approach this thing called looping.....what crazy daze we live in!.....michael --part1_1e0.19b768cb.2d682e53_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable luca's=20= CD arrived a day ago, have given it a quick listen in the midst of maddness.= ....THANK YOU LUCA!!!!!.....will give it several more listens over the week=20= end and report back soon with a "review".....first impression: wonderful "de= ep" tones in the ambient vain.....the last couple of tunes were a bit more s= tructured (?).....this is basically a "thank you very much, the cd arrived"=20= post.....it is very wonderful that we can exchange music like this and reall= y get a feel for how we all so differently approach this thing called loopin= g.....what crazy daze we live in!.....michael --part1_1e0.19b768cb.2d682e53_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 20 23:10:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1L46lJ07252; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:06:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:06:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15a.2e2c894e.2d68334a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:06:34 EST Subject: amy x neuberg in the east! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15a.2e2c894e.2d68334a_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <88819.A.MxB.WltNAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15a.2e2c894e.2d68334a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just got a post card from amy x's "other minds" (etc.) fan club of which i am proud to be an upstanding member....."other minds records is proud to announce the release of amy x neuberg's "RESIDUE"--a diverse collection of avant-cabaret songs for voice and electronics." NEW YORK - SUNDAY MARCH 7 JOE'S PUB - 425 LAFAYETTE 7:00 pm $15.00 NOW HERE IS THE CHERRY ON THE SUNDAE: W/TODD REYONLDS, VIOLIN & ELECTRONICS WWW.JOESPUB.COM sounds like a road trip to me.....who got floor?.....:).....michael p.s. are the saturday get togethers still on? --part1_15a.2e2c894e.2d68334a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just go= t a post card from amy x's "other minds" (etc.) fan club of which i am proud= to be an upstanding member....."other minds records is proud to announce th= e release of amy x neuberg's "RESIDUE"--a diverse collection of avant-cabare= t songs for voice and electronics."

NEW YORK - SUNDAY MARCH 7
JOE'S PUB - 425 LAFAYETTE
7:00 pm $15.00

NOW HERE IS THE CHERRY ON THE SUNDAE:

W/TODD REYONLDS, VIOLIN & ELECTRONICS
WWW.JOESPUB.COM

sounds like a road trip to me.....who got floor?.....:).....michael
p.s. are the saturday get togethers still on? --part1_15a.2e2c894e.2d68334a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 20 23:30:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1L4TpR11330; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:29:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:29:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c3f833$58202cb0$6501a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <15a.2e2c894e.2d68334a@aol.com> Subject: Re: amy x neuberg in the east! Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 20:29:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3F7F0.45AF6480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3F7F0.45AF6480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... and Men in the West. Herb Heinz and Micah Ball of Amy X Neuberg and = Men are playing Saturday night at the Temescal Arts Center in Oakland, = California. The group is called "dud". I just joined on Bass. Not really = much looping going on though. Here's the web site. = http://www.isproductions.com/dud/ . Click up to = http://www.isproductions.com/ to get to Amy X's site. Here's the poster = for it: http://www.unpronounceable.com/temp/dudzoneposter.pdf I really dig her new material. - Dave ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: amy x neuberg in the east! just got a post card from amy x's "other minds" (etc.) fan club of = which i am proud to be an upstanding member....."other minds records is = proud to announce the release of amy x neuberg's "RESIDUE"--a diverse = collection of avant-cabaret songs for voice and electronics." NEW YORK - SUNDAY MARCH 7 JOE'S PUB - 425 LAFAYETTE 7:00 pm $15.00 NOW HERE IS THE CHERRY ON THE SUNDAE: W/TODD REYONLDS, VIOLIN & ELECTRONICS WWW.JOESPUB.COM sounds like a road trip to me.....who got floor?.....:).....michael p.s. are the saturday get togethers still on? ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3F7F0.45AF6480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
... and Men in the West. Herb Heinz and Micah Ball of Amy X Neuberg and Men are = playing=20 Saturday night at the Temescal Arts Center in Oakland, California. The = group is=20 called "dud". I just joined on Bass. Not really much looping going on = though.=20 Here's the web site. http://www.isproductions.com/d= ud/ .=20 Click up to http://www.isproductions.com/<= /A> to=20 get to Amy X's site. Here's the poster for it:
http://www= .unpronounceable.com/temp/dudzoneposter.pdf
 
I really dig her new = material.
 
- Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 = 8:06=20 PM
Subject: amy x neuberg in the = east!

just got a=20 post card from amy x's "other minds" (etc.) fan club of which i am = proud to be=20 an upstanding member....."other minds records is proud to announce the = release=20 of amy x neuberg's "RESIDUE"--a diverse collection of avant-cabaret = songs for=20 voice and electronics."

NEW YORK - SUNDAY MARCH 7
JOE'S PUB = - 425=20 LAFAYETTE
7:00 pm $15.00

NOW HERE IS THE CHERRY ON THE=20 SUNDAE:

W/TODD REYONLDS, VIOLIN &=20 ELECTRONICS
WWW.JOESPUB.COM

sounds like a road trip to = me.....who=20 got floor?.....:).....michael
p.s. are the saturday get togethers = still=20 on? ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3F7F0.45AF6480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 21 04:00:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1L8veo21218; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 03:57:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 03:57:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-BrightmailFiltered: true Message-ID: <401CC2C1.4070400@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:11:29 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: luca formentini's "subterraneans" References: <1e0.19b768cb.2d682e53@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1e0.19b768cb.2d682e53@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael, happy the cd arrived safe. I look forward to know the colour of your feelings. thanks for listening. luca www.unguitar.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > luca's CD arrived a day ago, have given it a quick listen in the midst > of maddness.....THANK YOU LUCA!!!!!.....will give it several more > listens over the week end and report back soon with a > "review".....first impression: wonderful "deep" tones in the ambient > vain.....the last couple of tunes were a bit more structured > (?).....this is basically a "thank you very much, the cd arrived" > post.....it is very wonderful that we can exchange music like this and > really get a feel for how we all so differently approach this thing > called looping.....what crazy daze we live in!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 21 07:10:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1LC93q29051; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 07:09:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 07:09:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c3f873$7751c180$e0154ed5@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: <1e0.19b768cb.2d682e53@aol.com> Subject: Re: luca formentini's "subterraneans" Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:08:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'lll second that - a marvellous amalgam of found sound, electronics and heavily processed guitar. A recording like this is all about the sense of space and place that it creates, and this one is so beautifully recorded, and lovingly assembled to create a huge dynamic pulsating room for itself. The range of sounds from pure ambient to more chords 'n' melody stuff works really well, the continuity being Luca's touch, which is evident throughout. A really really fine record, and one I recommend wholeheartedly. cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 3:45 AM Subject: luca formentini's "subterraneans" > luca's CD arrived a day ago, have given it a quick listen in the midst of > maddness.....THANK YOU LUCA!!!!!.....will give it several more listens over the > week end and report back soon with a "review".....first impression: wonderful > "deep" tones in the ambient vain.....the last couple of tunes were a bit more > structured (?).....this is basically a "thank you very much, the cd arrived" > post.....it is very wonderful that we can exchange music like this and really > get a feel for how we all so differently approach this thing called > looping.....what crazy daze we live in!.....michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 21 09:55:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1LEr4903595; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:53:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:53:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <403770A1.70302@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:52:17 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for February 21, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2004/040221.html The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #39 February 21, 2004. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== ['ramp] Gefrierbrand doombient.one (none) Navigator Mist of Ganymede Airwaves (Groove) Detlef Keller Face Four Different Faces (Manikin) Palancar Sky River Causality (none) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Bruno Sanfilippo Decorated Souls Solemnis (AD21) Peter Sterling Brazilia Harp Dreams (Harp Magic) Sympatiko Afternoon for Eduardo Sympatiko (Full Circle Arts) David Arkenstone The Festival Spirit of Ireleand(Green Hill) Will Milla & Paul Horn Their Spirit Unbroken Journey of the Celts (Chacra) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Spock's Beard Ghosts of Autumn Feel Euphoria (InsideOut) Ryo Okumoto Free Fall Coming Through (InsideOut) Metaphor Yes & No Entertaining Thanatos (Trope) Frogg Cafe All This Time Creatures (none) NDV Karma Karma (Radiant) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on March 6. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link. ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. But there is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 21 10:40:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1LFdQb13114; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:39:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:39:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40377BAA.9060706@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:39:22 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: amy x neuberg in the east! References: <15a.2e2c894e.2d68334a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <15a.2e2c894e.2d68334a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
just got a post card from amy x's "other minds" (etc.) fan club of which i am proud to be an upstanding member....."other minds records is proud to announce the release of amy x neuberg's "RESIDUE"--a diverse collection of avant-cabaret songs for voice and electronics."
NEW YORK - SUNDAY MARCH 7
I saw her in January in NYC.  I'd go again in a flash if I weren't already obligated that night elsewhere.

Cheers,

Bill
 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 21 13:39:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1LITJr26054; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:29:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:29:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:29:07 EST Subject: luca formentini's "subterraneans" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_da.3f1c2dd.2d68fd73_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10582 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_da.3f1c2dd.2d68fd73_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "SUBTERRANEANS".....i remember asking luca for more of his music after hearing his work on the CT-COLLECTIVE ''philter phrenzy" cd.....that was a while ago.....it was well worth the wait.....i keep thinking that the title sums up luca's vision on this CD.....the sounds are deep/low, the feeling and color is deep/low.....there is an awful (full of awe) creepiness about this music, it never allows me to fully relax (this is a really good thing).....beautiful sounds,scary sounds, unguitar sounds, subtle yet lovely use of FX.....there may be even a loop or two here.....composition, percussion, found sound, fantastic recording chops.....it's a ton-o-tunes that i truely look forward to listening to many more times.....i have always thought that the "random" button on a cd player was one of the greatest inventions ever but i would not consider using it on this cd.....what a strangely lovely little story luca weaves here.....thanks again luca!.....michael --part1_da.3f1c2dd.2d68fd73_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "SUBTERRANEANS".....i remember askin= g luca for more of his music after hearing his work on the CT-COLLECTIVE ''p= hilter phrenzy" cd.....that was a while ago.....it was well worth the wait..= ...i keep thinking that the title sums up luca's vision on this CD.....the s= ounds are deep/low, the feeling and color is deep/low.....there is an awful=20= (full of awe) creepiness about this music, it never allows me to fully relax= (this is a really good thing).....beautiful sounds,scary sounds, unguitar s= ounds, subtle yet lovely use of FX.....there may be even a loop or two here.= ....composition, percussion, found sound, fantastic recording chops.....it's= a ton-o-tunes that i truely look forward to listening to many more times...= ..i have always thought that the "random" button on a cd player was one of t= he greatest inventions ever but i would not consider using it on this cd....= .what a strangely lovely little story luca weaves here.....thanks again luca= !.....michael --part1_da.3f1c2dd.2d68fd73_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 21 14:53:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1LJpRb14374; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:51:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:51:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a601c3f8b6$383d8cc0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Cellsong Collective Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:06:40 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday February 24th - Cellsong Collective The Cellsong Collective celebrates the release of their Compilation CD with 2 sets of eclectic music making. The first set will be the transhumanoid tag team of : CLOCK DIN (AKA THE SAMPLE MASTERS) with the everlovin' timetraveller LORD OPEN (BMT, PW2W) on the thri-dimensional suzsaphone. The 2nd set will feature the transcendental vocals of chanteuse LAUREL JAMES (ANDREA FLORIAN, WIB'JAZZIN',CBC) accompanied by the delayed experimental guitarist SAVINO M. (BMT, LOBSTER ROCK TOKYO) with soundescape by video game sound designer FUXOR (BMT, HIDDEN LEVEL) http://www.cellsong.ca for mp3 downloads of all of the above, & fun with samples, visit the Clock DIN site @ http://www.clockdin.com Between Sets CD - "Cloudseeder - disc 2" by Wave World "Cloudseeder" is Wave World's most truly ambient release and disc 2 of this double CD features their ambitious and far-ranging work, "Nebulae - An Ambient Symphony". http://www.waveworld.tv . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday March 2nd - Anomalous Disturbances http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A special *ping things* announcement from rik maclean... I am thrilled to announce that http://www.pingthings.com is one year old! Well, actually it's almost two, but in terms of online presence it's one year old! And this strikes me as being a big deal. I'd like to thank all of you for your support in this venture, whether you're a customer who's bought something in the last year (both online or at C'est What), if you're an artist who's been kind enough to share your music with the store, or if you're just somebody who's come by the site to see what it's all about. All of you are very much appreciated by the ping things king. =-) Also I'd especially like to thank Scott M2 and Jamie Todd who have done such a fabulous job of running the Ambient Ping in the first place, and who have been a wonderful support and inspiration for the store for all of this time. You guys rock in a most Eno-esque way! Sooooooo, what does this whole birthday thing mean to you? Well it means that there's a sale!!!! Yep, I have a huge sale of items that you can check out at http://www.pingthings.com/PTsale.htm A bunch of titles by such wonderful artists as James Johnson, Mercurine, Glenn Love and Vidna Obmana are all reduced in an effort to let you know how much I appreciate your patronage. (Quanitites are limited, so you'll wanna act fast on the sale items!) You'll also find that selected titles have also been reduced in price throughout the site. A number of Steve Roach discs have been reduced from $27.50CAN to $20CAN. And if this isn't enough to entice you over to visit the site, there are also a metric tonne of new discs by Angelmark, Diatonis, Sahra Featherstone, Knowledge of Bugs and more! Now on a serious tip I should also point out that there's a slight change to the pricing structure at ping things. Previously prices were a flat fee that included taxes and shipping. As the site has grown more popular though, and as more and more people are ordering online from farther places, it's become clear that I have to follow a different strategy. As such from this point on, taxes and shipping will be added on as a percentage of your total order. Now I'm still working out a few calculations & things, but I'm trying to make it all cool and groovy for all of you, and of course I'm reworking all of the prices on the site to reflect this change. So there you have it! ping things is a year old and it's all thanks to people like you! So check out the site and buy a disc to thank yourself for being so cool and supportive! Cheers, rik - rik@pingthings.com ping things - http://www.pingthings.com Steve Roach is currently the Featured Artist at ping things. Visit http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm to read an exclusive interview with this master of the ambient genre. Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 22 04:04:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1M90gx05295; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:00:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:00:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-BrightmailFiltered: true Message-ID: <40386B0B.8030208@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:40:43 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: luca formentini's "subterraneans" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3QQpP.A.oSB.6-GOAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > there may be even a loop or two here..... I'm happy they aren't so evident, but there are many loops (sometimes they are the song's main structure). But, again, very happy they don't come out so strongly. luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 22 10:13:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1MFCG027268; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:12:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:12:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019901c3f956$4377bc50$98bd0044@tomdyy5ufajt7n> From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: using Acid Pro 4 in a live performance Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:12:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone use Acid Pro in live performances? i've been experimenting with it, and just sent these questions to their support. i'm probably going to buy Live, but it still doesn't support vst instruments. any other thoughts? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i have several questions about using Acid Pro 4 in a live performance that i couldn't find answers to: 1) how can i switch from one clip, say drum clips, to another and keep the beat going? i tried lining up several different tracks in the same looping area amd muting all but one, but when i try to switch to another by muting and un-muting, either two are playing, or none are playing. 2) i'm getting tired of using my mouse for everything in computer music, so i have an evolution UC 33e midi control workstation on order, but it doesn't seem to have templates for Acid Pro. you can make them up yourself, but i couldn't find how to map the knobs and faders, etc to Acid Pro in it's help documents. 3) can Acid Pro be used as a re-wire slave to Ableton Live, so i can use the power of both. i saw where it can be done the other way around. Live does work with the UC 33e. 4) Acid Pro is so powerful, and it seems to becoming more so, are there any plans for a "Live" type interface? 5) when i click on edit in Cubase.exe (in my case) under tools or the left side of the tracks, Cubase comes up blank, but then what? do i have to cut and paste between them, or is it interactive? thanks, Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 22 13:54:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1MIp9727726; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:51:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:51:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1cd.1a46648d.2d6a540f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:50:55 EST Subject: Re: luca formentini's "subterraneans" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1cd.1a46648d.2d6a540f_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10582 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1cd.1a46648d.2d6a540f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/22/04 4:01:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, luca@unguitar.com writes: > indeed indeed.....you did an excellent job of "hiding" the loops, something i must learn to do!.....michael --part1_1cd.1a46648d.2d6a540f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/22/04 4:01:14 A= M Eastern Standard Time, luca@unguitar.com writes:


they aren't so evident, but= there are many loops


indeed indeed.....you did an excellent job of "hiding" the loops, someth= ing i must learn to do!.....michael --part1_1cd.1a46648d.2d6a540f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 22 14:13:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1MJBuu32116; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:11:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:11:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "mathieu" To: Subject: [OT] Audio engineering courses london Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:12:05 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <019901c3f956$4377bc50$98bd0044@tomdyy5ufajt7n> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi folks, i know this is very much ot, but i thought i'd ask here, as i'm sure some people will have some hindsight on this. anyway, i'm thinking of doing of audio engineering course, and i live in london at the moment. there are quite a few, amongst which the sae, the islington music workshop, and the tonmeister in guilford. what do people recommend? anything that i haven't mentioned (i'm sure they are loads) and that someone recommend? anyone had experience with any of these? Thanks, mat PS: feel free to reply privately ( mathieu.jurgawczynski@imperial.ac.uk) if you feel that the LD forum is not appropriate From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 22 14:53:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1MJpIN05553; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:51:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:51:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:38:27 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performances Friday 2.27 and Saturday 2.28 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video at the following events next weekend. Hope some of you can make it. Friday 2.27 -- I'll be accompanying the Lothar's set , roughly from 8:50 - 9:20 The Lothar's are an excellent improvising 4 piece electronic band featuring two theremins. "Peter Berdovsky (Zebbler), Mr. Interrupt and Eventworks bring you Electronic Concerto - a night of Non-Dance Oriented Electronic Music with Mild Visual Stimulation event. We are getting top of the line sound equipment for pristine full range sounds. It is going to be held at the auditorium of Mass College of Art, 1st floor of Tower Building, Friday, February 27th, 6:30 - 10pm. For directions visit http://www.massart.edu/about/ and click on "how to get here" tab. Come early for a free "wine and crackers" reception. Tickets are $5 a piece. You may purchase them in advance by emailing zebbler@comcast.net. Performing: The Lothars ( http://www.wobblymusic.com/lothars ), Roman Stange ( http://www.zer0gsounds.com/info.htm , http://www.lollygagger.org/ ), Robert Byrd, Misterinterrupt, Soplerfo ( http://www.soplerfo.com ), Dave Matorin, V.J.ADD ( http://www.dijjitalambiance.com ). Sat 2.28 -- I'll be projecting from 7 to 11 PM . 3rd ANNUAL LEAP YEAR DANCE MARATHON 6:00PM SATURDAY 28 FEBRUARY until 6:00AM SUNDAY 29 FEBRUARY LIVE MUSIC ALL MAJOR FOOD GROUPS $20 OR PLEDGES with Stan Strickland and Jerry Bussiere, Fluttr, Green My Eyes, David Wildman, Budha and Crew and more Dedication of the Julie Ince Thompson Theatre THE DANCE COMPLEX 536 MASS AVE CENTRAL SQUARE CAMBRIDGE 617.547.9363 -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 22 15:51:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1MKlMd15736; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:47:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:47:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:47:15 +0100 Subject: Re: using Acid Pro 4 in a live performance From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <019901c3f956$4377bc50$98bd0044@tomdyy5ufajt7n> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-22 16.12, "Tom Rex" wrote: > does anyone use Acid Pro in live performances? i've been experimenting with > it, and just sent these questions to their support. i'm probably going to > buy Live, but it still doesn't support vst instruments. any other thoughts? Yes. Use Plogue Bidule ReWired to Live. Open the VST instruments as plug-ins in Bidule. Best regards Per Boysen -- http://www.boysen.se Public Music Beta Testing http://www.looproom.com/p2p/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 22 16:19:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1MLFWE21144; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:15:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:15:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <194.251a9fea.2d6a75e4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:15:16 EST Subject: Re: Video Performances Friday 2.27 and Saturday 2.28 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_194.251a9fea.2d6a75e4_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10582 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_194.251a9fea.2d6a75e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/22/04 2:51:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, emile@foryourhead.com writes: > The Lothar's are an excellent improvising 4 piece > emile.....now if it were three theremins.....hmmmm.....:).....michael --part1_194.251a9fea.2d6a75e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/22/04 2:51:59 P= M Eastern Standard Time, emile@foryourhead.com writes:


The Lothar's are an excelle= nt improvising 4 piece=20
electronic band featuring two theremins.


emile.....now if it were three theremins.....hmmmm.....:).....michael --part1_194.251a9fea.2d6a75e4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 22 17:34:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1MMUcD32554; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:30:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:30:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c3f993$c1cf4180$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: Re: Video Performances Friday 2.27 and Saturday 2.28 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:32:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.184.247] at Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:30:35 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sounds like a cool happening. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" To: Cc: ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: Video Performances Friday 2.27 and Saturday 2.28 > Hi folks, > > I'll be doing video at the following events next weekend. Hope some > of you can make it. > > > Friday 2.27 -- I'll be accompanying the Lothar's set , roughly from > 8:50 - 9:20 The Lothar's are an excellent improvising 4 piece > electronic band featuring two theremins. > > > "Peter Berdovsky (Zebbler), Mr. Interrupt and Eventworks bring you > Electronic Concerto - a night of Non-Dance Oriented Electronic Music > with Mild Visual Stimulation event. We are getting top of the line > sound equipment for pristine full range sounds. It is going to be > held at the auditorium of Mass College of Art, 1st floor of Tower > Building, Friday, February 27th, 6:30 - 10pm. For directions visit > http://www.massart.edu/about/ and click on "how to get here" tab. > Come early for a free "wine and crackers" reception. Tickets are $5 a > piece. You may purchase them in advance by emailing > zebbler@comcast.net. Performing: The Lothars ( > http://www.wobblymusic.com/lothars ), Roman Stange ( > http://www.zer0gsounds.com/info.htm , http://www.lollygagger.org/ ), > Robert Byrd, Misterinterrupt, Soplerfo ( http://www.soplerfo.com ), > Dave Matorin, V.J.ADD ( http://www.dijjitalambiance.com ). > > Sat 2.28 -- I'll be projecting from 7 to 11 PM . > > 3rd ANNUAL LEAP YEAR > DANCE MARATHON > 6:00PM SATURDAY 28 FEBRUARY until 6:00AM SUNDAY 29 FEBRUARY > LIVE MUSIC > ALL MAJOR FOOD GROUPS > $20 OR PLEDGES > with Stan Strickland and Jerry Bussiere, Fluttr, Green My Eyes, David > Wildman, Budha and Crew and more > Dedication of the Julie Ince Thompson Theatre > > THE DANCE COMPLEX > 536 MASS AVE > CENTRAL SQUARE > CAMBRIDGE > 617.547.9363 > > > > -- > " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 22 17:45:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1MMfwb02015; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:41:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:41:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.121.144.235] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: collaborative online drone project Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:41:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2004 22:41:49.0940 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F586340:01C3F995] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathon Coleclough turned me onto this. Some folks in Scotland are doing a collaborative drone project. Musicians are encouraged to contribute drones to be added to an existing mix. The "current mix" always features the 6 most recent submissions, and you can hear any of those six individually. http://www.theshipbuilders.com/interactive/the_dronezone.php They have a couple rules: no beats, no noticeable repeating patterns, and no noticeable words. (In other words, "let's keep it a drone project".) _________________________________________________________________ Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 22 23:52:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1N4pI626881; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:51:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:51:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c3f9c8$af27c360$98bd0044@tomdyy5ufajt7n> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: Subject: Plogue Bidule ReWired to Live Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:51:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks, Per. i downloaded it from http://www.plogue.com/bidule/, and i'm trying it out with Sonic Charge µTonic, a VST plug-in featuring a drum and percussion synthesizer combined with a pattern based drum-machine engine. you can download a demo of it at http://soniccharge.com/. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Re: using Acid Pro 4 in a live performance > On 04-02-22 16.12, "Tom Rex" wrote: > > > does anyone use Acid Pro in live performances? i've been experimenting with > > it, and just sent these questions to their support. i'm probably going to > > buy Live, but it still doesn't support vst instruments. any other thoughts? > > Yes. Use Plogue Bidule ReWired to Live. Open the VST instruments as plug-ins > in Bidule. > > Best regards > > Per Boysen > -- > http://www.boysen.se > Public Music Beta Testing http://www.looproom.com/p2p/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 00:32:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1N5TeV01143; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:29:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:29:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <194.251a9fea.2d6a75e4@aol.com> References: <194.251a9fea.2d6a75e4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:24:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Video Performances Friday 2.27 and Saturday 2.28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:15 PM -0500 2/22/04, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 2/22/04 2:51:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, >emile@foryourhead.com writes: > >>The Lothar's are an excellent improvising 4 piece >>electronic band featuring two theremins. >> > > >emile.....now if it were three theremins.....hmmmm.....:).....michael They used to have 3, but one of them switch to another controller. They are more interesting (to me) now,which is more a function of them becoming more of an improv band as opposed to an oddly instrumented alt-rock band. -- "Any universe simple enough to be understood is too simple to produce a mind able to understand it" -- John D. Barrow This conjecture strikes me as a logical extension of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 11:44:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1NGh4W29880; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:43:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:43:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater for sale in UK Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:42:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2004 16:42:58.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[1815C210:01C3FA2C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can you please give me an actual link to this list? i cant find it and I am very excited at the prospect of a repeater in the uk. Phill Wilson >From: S V G >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Repeater for sale in UK >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:16:55 -0800 (PST) > > > Hey, > > Someone on the Repeater User's list at Yahoo groups just posted that >he wants to sell his >rarely used Repeater. Go over to that site and check the past day or two >of posts and you'll see >it. > > Stephen > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. >http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 15:22:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1NKJxc24174; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:19:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:19:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <403A63C4.96A8379E@erols.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:34:12 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Loop Shows in NJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Mazzarella vocals/acoustic guitar/lap steel/EDP and DL-4 loopage Tuesday, February 24th, 8pm-10pm The Town Grind 25 East Main Street Denville, NJ 973-625-9666 Opening set by singer/songwriter Judy Aron no cover Friday, February 27th, 10pm-12am Tumulty”s Pub 361 George Steet New Brunswick, NJ 732-545-6205 no cover www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 17:42:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1NMbN611541; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:37:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:37:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: OT: the hamster SL 161 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:37:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3FA1A.8E0CE7D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcP6XZtQT+Tj0SHHQQ2Y324AJ3/8wA== Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3FA1A.8E0CE7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.nbb.cornell.edu/neurobio/land/STUDENTPROJ/2002to2003/lil2/ ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3FA1A.8E0CE7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3FA1A.8E0CE7D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 17:47:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1NMkMi12735; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:46:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:46:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "David Swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: Arion DDs-4 digital delay / sampler pedal Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:46:13 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c3fa5e$db337bc0$6401a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3FA5E.DB337BC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2004 22:46:20.0836 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB399640:01C3FA5E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3FA5E.DB337BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are these any good im having a bit of trouble finding anything out about them, I have found one n the internet (with bugger all info) and wanted to know if anyone had used one and what they thought ! David Swain HYPERLINK "mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk"d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk HYPERLINK "http://www.davidswain.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk"http://www.davidswain.pwp.bl ueyonder.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 20/02/2004 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3FA5E.DB337BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3FA5E.DB337BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 22:53:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1O3p6S25578; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:51:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:51:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <403ACD7F.71446C4A@erols.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:05:19 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Yamaha Magic Stomp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody using the Yamaha Magic Stomp multi-effects? It may suit my needs well. Wanted to hear some opinions from this list. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 02:37:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1O7Zs431750; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 02:35:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 02:35:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040223233439.05411e80@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:38:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: OT: the hamster SL 161 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:37 PM 2/23/2004, | SquidLoop | wrote: >http://www.nbb.cornell.edu/neurobio/land/STUDENTPROJ/2002to2003/lil2/ It makes me happy that there are people in the world doing things like this. Maybe someone will make a looper using hamsters in an exercise wheel. I would pay to see that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 05:07:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1OA54916757; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:05:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:05:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:05:03 +0100 (MET) From: Farbauftrag@gmx.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: starttoloop X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #7885245 Message-ID: <20823.1077617103@www48.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Im phillip from germany, and I want to buy a looping station. its my first one. I do human beatbox, and familiar vocalisms. now I want to get a looping station to try out more strange stuff/sounds. I asked around a bit and now Im focused on a jamman, but actually Ive no idea, what I need, I want to loop couple sound at the same time, and I would like to use fx-pedals for some samples, and I just hear some names, like jamman, echoplex, boomerang...yamaha-sequenzer.., but I have no idea about these tools and their differences maybe you looping guys can give me some help thanks, flip -- GMX ProMail (250 MB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS, Virenschutz, 2,99 EUR/Monat...) jetzt 3 Monate GRATIS + 3x DER SPIEGEL +++ http://www.gmx.net/derspiegel +++ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 08:25:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1ODLtR05938; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:21:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:21:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Yamaha Magic Stomp Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:21:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3FAD9.2A02CE20" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3FAD9.2A02CE20 Content-Type: text/plain There was a definite reason why I didn't go with it, but I can't remember what now exactly. I'll look around again when I get a chance. . .but I remember it was a pretty big deal for me why I didn't get it. DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] >>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:05 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Yamaha Magic Stomp >> >>Anybody using the Yamaha Magic Stomp multi-effects? It may >>suit my needs well. Wanted to hear some opinions from this list. >> >>Thanks, >>John >>www.johnmazzarella.com >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3FAD9.2A02CE20 Content-Type: text/html RE: Yamaha Magic Stomp

There was a definite reason why I didn't go with it, but I can't remember what now exactly.

I'll look around again when I get a chance. . .but I remember it was a pretty big deal for me why I didn't get it.

DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com]
>>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:05 PM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Yamaha Magic Stomp
>>
>>Anybody using the Yamaha Magic Stomp multi-effects?  It may
>>suit my needs well.  Wanted to hear some opinions from this list.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>John
>>www.johnmazzarella.com
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3FAD9.2A02CE20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 08:52:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1ODpGJ09428; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:51:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:51:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Yamaha Magic Stomp Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:51:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3FADD.45153500" Resent-Message-ID: <5MXvwB.A.MTC.Ub1OAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3FADD.45153500 Content-Type: text/plain I remember now. . . . .the effects editing - even at the demo at the store - was very tricky. Also, there was no tap tempo - important factor for me. Also, there is limited knob tweaking you can do during a live performance. The problem I have had in the past with multi-effects pedals, is I will tweak the sounds EXACTLY to my liking - but then when I play out the room environments are so different that the sounds end up totally useless. So then I have to go in and edit patches right before a show (which is never good) and then they aren't EXACTLY what I wanted. Then if during the course of the show I need to tweak a little more, I can't - because all the deep editing is buried in the effects pedal somewhere via laptop. Many multi-effects pedals seem to get better at that kinda stuff (pod, Behringer V-Amp, and some Boss multi-effects), but as soon as I started tweaking the Magic Stomp, all that bad juju started coming back to me. Honestly, it may work for you though. . . .give it a test run. You can always return it I suppose. D-MAK _____ From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 8:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Yamaha Magic Stomp There was a definite reason why I didn't go with it, but I can't remember what now exactly. I'll look around again when I get a chance. . .but I remember it was a pretty big deal for me why I didn't get it. DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com ] >>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:05 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Yamaha Magic Stomp >> >>Anybody using the Yamaha Magic Stomp multi-effects? It may >>suit my needs well. Wanted to hear some opinions from this list. >> >>Thanks, >>John >>www.johnmazzarella.com >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3FADD.45153500 Content-Type: text/html RE: Yamaha Magic Stomp
I remember now. . . . .the effects editing - even at the demo at the store - was very tricky. Also, there was no tap tempo - important factor for me. Also, there is limited knob tweaking you can do during a live performance. The problem I have had in the past with multi-effects pedals, is I will tweak the sounds EXACTLY to my liking - but then when I play out the room environments are so different that the sounds end up totally useless. So then I have to go in and edit patches right before a show (which is never good) and then they aren't EXACTLY what I wanted. Then if during the course of the show I need to tweak a little more, I can't - because all the deep editing is buried in the effects pedal somewhere via laptop.
 
Many multi-effects pedals seem to get better at that kinda stuff (pod, Behringer V-Amp, and some Boss multi-effects), but as soon as I started tweaking the Magic Stomp, all that bad juju started coming back to me.
 
Honestly, it may work for you though. . . .give it a test run. You can always return it I suppose.
 
D-MAK

From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 8:22 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Yamaha Magic Stomp

There was a definite reason why I didn't go with it, but I can't remember what now exactly.

I'll look around again when I get a chance. . .but I remember it was a pretty big deal for me why I didn't get it.

DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com]
>>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:05 PM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Yamaha Magic Stomp
>>
>>Anybody using the Yamaha Magic Stomp multi-effects?  It may
>>suit my needs well.  Wanted to hear some opinions from this list.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>John
>>www.johnmazzarella.com
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3FADD.45153500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 09:42:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1OEfLB17403; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:41:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:41:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: starttoloop Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:41:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2004 14:41:15.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[414B0970:01C3FAE4] Resent-Message-ID: <52Ahb.A.yPE.RK2OAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi there If you go to the Loopers Delight Main site and look under Tools of the trade , there are reviews and specifications of all the loopers that have been produced. for my money I'd say the Echoplex is the most versitile but for a cheap introduction to looping a Boss Loop Station or Line 6 DL4 are good products, however you have to think that the Echoplex is milti dimantional , in that, you can change your loop time, add more cycles to your loops Undo to previous states, where as the others only allow you to define the loop time once then build upwards from that point. good luck Phill Wilson >From: Farbauftrag@gmx.de >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: starttoloop >Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:05:03 +0100 (MET) > >hi Im phillip from germany, and > >I want to buy a looping station. its my first one. >I do human beatbox, and familiar vocalisms. >now I want to get a looping station to try out more strange stuff/sounds. >I asked around a bit and now Im focused on a jamman, >but actually Ive no idea, what I need, > >I want to loop couple sound at the same time, >and I would like to use fx-pedals for some samples, > >and I just hear some names, like jamman, echoplex, >boomerang...yamaha-sequenzer.., but I have no idea about these tools and >their differences > >maybe you looping guys can give me some help > >thanks, >flip > >-- >GMX ProMail (250 MB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS, Virenschutz, 2,99 EUR/Monat...) >jetzt 3 Monate GRATIS + 3x DER SPIEGEL +++ http://www.gmx.net/derspiegel >+++ > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 12:48:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1OHkSr12308; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:46:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:46:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040224174623.73838.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:46:23 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Yamaha Magic Stomp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Don Makoviney wrote: > I remember now. . . . .the effects editing - even at the demo at the store - > was very tricky. Also, there was no tap tempo - important factor for me. That seems odd to me, since it's based on their other "Stomp" series processors, which all had tap tempo. The editing was all very easy on the old ones with dedicated knobs, but I guess the Magic doesn't have those, just some "soft knobs". But looking over their propoganda about it, it would appear that they intend for you to use your computer to do your program editing... Bummer that it doesn't have midi control, that'd make it easier to use live by adding a foot controller. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 12:59:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1OHwT914476; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:58:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:58:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c3faff$cb032010$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <20040224174623.73838.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Echoplex foot controller problems, anyone use the Behringer FCB1010 as a substitute? Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:58:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: Daveg X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: dave@unpronounceable.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: daveg.lyris.com [216.91.56.160] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, After only about 4 months of use, my Echoplex foot controller is having problems. The Overdub button is acting really flaky and is completely unreliable. I've read that I can probably clean it or something but I keep hearing about people having problems with it. I'd rather just start using my MIDI controller instead. Does anybody use the Behringer FCB1010 MIDI foot pedal controler with an Echoplex Digital Pro Plus? I can probably figure out how to get it to issue the right control changes, I just want to know if there are any issues that I might run into that people have already figured out how to work around. Thanks, Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 13:59:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1OIuOO23951; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:56:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:56:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Yamaha Stomp Pedals Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:56:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcP63cI9ZRsTd6Z0Qw+aDCe5uES6dgAKT3yg Message-Id: <20040224185617.VTZN25273.fed1mtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I now have two of the Stomp pedals, the UD (delay) and the DG (amp models, multieffects). I bought the DG on Mark Hamburg's recommendation on this list--the great thing about it is that all the parameters have knobs which can be tweaked in live performance, enabling you to customize your live sound. It also sounds very convincing when going direct--or thru an amp! Gary D-Mak wrote: There was a definite reason why I didn't go with it, but I can't remember what now exactly. I'll look around again when I get a chance. . .but I remember it was a pretty big deal for me why I didn't get it. I remember now. . . . .the effects editing - even at the demo at the store - was very tricky. Also, there was no tap tempo - important factor for me. Also, there is limited knob tweaking you can do during a live performance. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] >>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:05 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Yamaha Magic Stomp >> >>Anybody using the Yamaha Magic Stomp multi-effects? It may >>suit my needs well. Wanted to hear some opinions from this list. >> >>Thanks, >>John >>www.johnmazzarella.com >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 16:53:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1OLnd318892; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:49:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:49:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "AvgJoe" To: Subject: FA: Roland ready Tele Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:49:03 -0500 Message-ID: <013201c3fb20$0546b0f0$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <015001c3f64e$446c3510$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i1OLnco18869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, In case anyone is interested, this is now on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3706590215&category=38083 &sspagename=STRK%3AMESSE%3AIT&rd=1 Thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 17:40:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1OMcA326902; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:38:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:38:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040224223808.61421.qmail@web21324.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:38:08 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Yamaha Stomp Pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040224185617.VTZN25273.fed1mtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8X9BtB.A.MkG.SJ9OAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -- Gary Lehmann wrote: > I now have two of the Stomp pedals, the UD (delay) and the DG (amp models, > multieffects). I bought the DG on Mark Hamburg's recommendation on this > list--the great thing about it is that all the parameters have knobs which > can be tweaked in live performance, enabling you to customize your live > sound. It also sounds very convincing when going direct--or thru an amp! I have a DG too. Another useful feature is that you can disable the preamp section completely and just use the effects. Even with the speaker sim turned off, I didn't care for it's sound through my amp, but it works great if I turn off it's internal preamp. I also like it direct with the speaker sim (now if I could just find a sound person who would give me a consistant mix of myself, I might actually USE it that way...) Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 19:16:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1P0EOu09716; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:14:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:14:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c3fb34$4fb06fa0$63348451@mycomputer> From: "phill lister" To: Subject: Line6POD and looping Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:14:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3FB34.4E293360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3FB34.4E293360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm just working on a little thing with an old ZOOM8080 using its = multiple ping-pong delay gizmos. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3FB34.4E293360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 25 10:34:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1PFWnG09353; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:32:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:32:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Oh no....more FCB1010 questions Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:32:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2004 15:32:43.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C54E400:01C3FBB4] Resent-Message-ID: <9U7_uB.A.-RC.hAMPAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all I know how often this stuff comes up on list and belive me i have tried for the last week to NOT post to list for help. but Ive reached the stage where I cant complete my tailor made midi board just becaus of one problem... Basically I cant get the controller pedals to respond. Im using Loop4 and Midi FCB1010. Ive got the "patches" set up so that I have record,overdub, multiply,insert, replace, undo, speed, drection, substitute, and next in that order on patch bay one, then the same but in suspend mode on page two, then a few presets stored in page three......ok so far so good. now on each of these presets I have the buttons of each controller lit and active and set to 7 for feedback and 1 for Volume. on the echoplex I have the buttons in the perameters corrispondinf to feedback and volume set to 7 and one respectivly, yet.........nothing. I can move the continuos controller pedals back and forth and the reout on the screen never changes to display a new feedback or volume setting whats going on? Help me please Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 25 13:16:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1PIDhq03700; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:13:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:13:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014e01c3fbcb$18458d10$707638d4@computername> From: "Dave Sturt" To: References: Subject: Re: Oh no....more FCB1010 questions Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:13:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi - sounds to me like you need to calibrate your pedals - I had the same problem. This info is from the very useful Yahoo FCB1010 user group. Hope it helps. Dave Sturt ---------------------------------------------- 1. Keep footswitches 1 and 3 pressed while switching on the unit (This bit you can't do standing up!). Release the switches when the display blanks. The LEDs on the footswitches, the ones on the display and each segment of the two numeric displays will turn on and off in sequence. 2. Wait until all footswitch LEDs are on. Depress all footswitches one at a time, including UP and DOWN, until all LEDs are off. 3. Wait until relay switch test is finished. (There will be a couple of mechanical clicks, and the display will end up reading "F1" (at least, it did on mine)). [Also, if you have connected a MIDI cable between the MIDI in and out, the display will show "A1" before this, meaning the midi ports work correctly.] 4. Press DOWN once. 5. Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the lowest value. Once adjusted press UP. 6. Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the highest value. Once adjusted press UP. 7. Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the lowest value. Once adjusted press UP. 8. Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the highest value. Once adjusted press UP. 9. Select a patch which has both pedals set to their full range, and check the expression pedals now send 0-127 (0x00-0x7F) ----- Original Message ----- From: "lol c" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: Oh no....more FCB1010 questions > Hi all > > I know how often this stuff comes up on list and belive me i have tried for > the last week to NOT post to list for help. but Ive reached the stage where > I cant complete my tailor made midi board just becaus of one problem... > > Basically I cant get the controller pedals to respond. > > Im using Loop4 and Midi FCB1010. > > Ive got the "patches" set up so that I have record,overdub, multiply,insert, > replace, undo, speed, drection, substitute, and next in that order on patch > bay one, then the same but in suspend mode on page two, then a few presets > stored in page three......ok so far so good. > > now on each of these presets I have the buttons of each controller lit and > active and set to 7 for feedback and 1 for Volume. > > on the echoplex I have the buttons in the perameters corrispondinf to > feedback and volume set to 7 and one respectivly, yet.........nothing. > > I can move the continuos controller pedals back and forth and the reout on > the screen never changes to display a new feedback or volume setting > > whats going on? > > Help me please > > Phill Wilson > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 25 16:48:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1PLkUS14007; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:46:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:46:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040225214628.22618.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:46:28 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Oh no....more FCB1010 questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <014e01c3fbcb$18458d10$707638d4@computername> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dave Sturt wrote: > Hi - sounds to me like you need to calibrate your pedals - I had the same > problem. Yeah, me too. > This info is from the very useful Yahoo FCB1010 user group. Also, check out the FAQ for that group, it's got a LOT of helpful info. Some versions of the FCB1010 firmware have problems with the exp pedals, so you might need to get an updated version (on a replacement eprom). If the unit is under warranty, you can get this for free from Behringer support, if not, there are several people who will sell it to you for about $10. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 26 11:35:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1QGXea26999; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:33:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:33:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: dobbs.ucs.umbc.edu: randy owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:33:37 -0500 (EST) From: Randy Philipp X-X-Sender: randy@dobbs.ucs.umbc.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Availability of Echoplex, will it ever come? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-AvMilter-Key: 1077813519:a95ed01149f491e23bb8c0e4bcf992cf X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey Resent-Message-ID: <30oHmC.A.ulG.j_hPAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have had an Echoplex on order since December 18 of 2003 at Musicians Friend. The availability date keeps getting pushed back, and now Musicians Friend has the avilability date as May 5. Has anyone had any luck buying an Echoplex in the past month or so? Randy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 26 15:41:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1QKcpA05689; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:38:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:38:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-BrightmailFiltered: true Message-ID: <403E5C44.9060108@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:16 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: luca formentini's "subterraneans" available on Cuneiform References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Guys, just for you to know, my cd is now available at www.waysidemusic.com it is in the "new arrivals" section for now. Your comment will be greatly appreciated. luca Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > "SUBTERRANEANS".....i remember asking luca for more of his music after > hearing his work on the CT-COLLECTIVE ''philter phrenzy" cd.....that > was a while ago.....it was well worth the wait.....i keep thinking > that the title sums up luca's vision on this CD.....the sounds are > deep/low, the feeling and color is deep/low.....there is an awful > (full of awe) creepiness about this music, it never allows me to fully > relax (this is a really good thing).....beautiful sounds,scary sounds, > unguitar sounds, subtle yet lovely use of FX.....there may be even a > loop or two here.....composition, percussion, found sound, fantastic > recording chops.....it's a ton-o-tunes that i truely look forward to > listening to many more times.....i have always thought that the > "random" button on a cd player was one of the greatest inventions ever > but i would not consider using it on this cd.....what a strangely > lovely little story luca weaves here.....thanks again luca!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 26 16:20:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1QLEml12471; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:14:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:14:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c3fcad$8ce49c00$6501a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex, will it ever come? Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:14:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have had an Echoplex on order since December 18 of 2003 at Musicians > Friend. The availability date keeps getting pushed back, and now > Musicians Friend has the avilability date as May 5. Has anyone had any > luck buying an Echoplex in the past month or so? I bought that "scratch and dent" one they had on sale a couple of weeks ago but it was way more screwed up than what they defined as a "scratch and dent" item. The whole faceplate was bent outwards on the right, a knob was missing and two of the other knobs were floating around the box. One of those knobs was actually cracked too. In any event, it wasn't worth the savings of only $120 out of $799 for something that was that tweaked so I returned it to exchange for a new one. I'm still waiting on my new one with the rest of you. Here's a warning though, if you see a scratch and dent Echoplex show up at Musician's Friend in the next week or so, don't buy it unless you're willing to live with something that may have been dropped or taken apart and poorly reassembled. They probably had the thing ( serial # 79 or something like that ) sitting around for a year and figured they could get rid of it since the other units were so hard to get. It's not worth $679 though. Not in that condition. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 26 18:40:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1QNdIf01836; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:39:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:39:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: dobbs.ucs.umbc.edu: randy owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:39:16 -0500 (EST) From: Randy Philipp X-X-Sender: randy@dobbs.ucs.umbc.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex, will it ever come? In-Reply-To: <000901c3fcad$8ce49c00$6501a8c0@watercooled> Message-ID: References: <000901c3fcad$8ce49c00$6501a8c0@watercooled> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-AvMilter-Key: 1077839058:dabc68474db6bc6061542b8cefc4eddb X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey Resent-Message-ID: <65Ww8.A.kc.mOoPAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I bought that "scratch and dent" one they had on sale a couple of weeks ago > but it was way more screwed up than what they defined as a "scratch and > dent" item. The whole faceplate was bent outwards on the right, a knob was > missing and two of the other knobs were floating around the box. One of > those knobs was actually cracked too. In any event, it wasn't worth the > savings of only $120 out of $799 for something that was that tweaked so I > returned it to exchange for a new one. I'm still waiting on my new one with > the rest of you. > > Here's a warning though, if you see a scratch and dent Echoplex show up at > Musician's Friend in the next week or so, don't buy it unless you're willing > to live with something that may have been dropped or taken apart and poorly > reassembled. They probably had the thing ( serial # 79 or something like > that ) sitting around for a year and figured they could get rid of it since > the other units were so hard to get. It's not worth $679 though. Not in that > condition. > > - Dave > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 26 20:45:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1R1i4J19102; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:44:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:44:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6A894512-68C6-11D8-BA43-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Scotland gigs assistance Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:44:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: <4z6mLD.A.YqE.kDqPAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be St. Andrews, Scotland, during the second half of May. Can anyone recommend somewhere in Edinburgh or Aberdeen that I could contact regarding an acoustic guitar looping gig? Feel free to respond off-list. Thanks, TravisH *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 27 08:01:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1RD0AV18019; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:00:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:00:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Availability of Echoplex, will it ever come? Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:00:07 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Availability of Echoplex, will it ever come? Thread-Index: AcP8raEGK3o2XKgcRoOuyewzJUHZsAAg6mqQ From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2004 13:00:08.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[A05EAD50:01C3FD31] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i1RD0Ao17993 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wierd. I remember asking a sales guy at Musicians Friend exactly what "blemished" meant and he said that they (in sales) never really know the extent to which something is blemished. So I picked up my second EDP as "blemished" with the same savings and it took me a few days to finally find the almost invisible scratch on the bottom that landed the unit on the blemished shelf. Other than that, it was mint. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: David J. Grossman [mailto:dave@unpronounceable.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 4:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex, will it ever come? > > > I have had an Echoplex on order since December 18 of 2003 at Musicians > > Friend. The availability date keeps getting pushed back, and now > > Musicians Friend has the avilability date as May 5. Has anyone had any > > luck buying an Echoplex in the past month or so? > > I bought that "scratch and dent" one they had on sale a couple of weeks ago > but it was way more screwed up than what they defined as a "scratch and > dent" item. The whole faceplate was bent outwards on the right, a knob was > missing and two of the other knobs were floating around the box. One of > those knobs was actually cracked too. In any event, it wasn't worth the > savings of only $120 out of $799 for something that was that tweaked so I > returned it to exchange for a new one. I'm still waiting on my new one with > the rest of you. > > Here's a warning though, if you see a scratch and dent Echoplex show up at > Musician's Friend in the next week or so, don't buy it unless you're willing > to live with something that may have been dropped or taken apart and poorly > reassembled. They probably had the thing ( serial # 79 or something like > that ) sitting around for a year and figured they could get rid of it since > the other units were so hard to get. It's not worth $679 though. Not in that > condition. > > - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 27 09:06:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1RE4Od28010; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:04:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:04:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Oh no....more FCB1010 questions Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:04:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2004 14:04:17.0759 (UTC) FILETIME=[96DE56F0:01C3FD3A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all thanks so much for your help with the pedal. I followed those instructions and it all went exactly to plan, now why cant berhinger set these damn things up properly them selves? anyways cheers again Phill >From: "Dave Sturt" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Oh no....more FCB1010 questions >Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:13:38 -0000 > >Hi - sounds to me like you need to calibrate your pedals - I had the same >problem. >This info is from the very useful Yahoo FCB1010 user group. >Hope it helps. > >Dave Sturt >---------------------------------------------- >1. Keep footswitches 1 and 3 pressed while switching on the unit (This bit >you can't > >do standing up!). Release the switches when the display blanks. The LEDs on >the > >footswitches, the ones on the display and each segment of the two numeric > >displays will turn on and off in sequence. > >2. Wait until all footswitch LEDs are on. Depress all footswitches one at a >time, > >including UP and DOWN, until all LEDs are off. > >3. Wait until relay switch test is finished. (There will be a couple of >mechanical > >clicks, and the display will end up reading "F1" (at least, it did on >mine)). [Also, if > >you have connected a MIDI cable between the MIDI in and out, the display >will > >show "A1" before this, meaning the midi ports work correctly.] > >4. Press DOWN once. > >5. Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the lowest value. Once adjusted >press UP. > >6. Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the highest value. Once adjusted >press UP. > >7. Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the lowest value. Once adjusted >press UP. > >8. Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the highest value. Once >adjusted >press > >UP. > >9. Select a patch which has both pedals set to their full range, and check >the > >expression pedals now send 0-127 (0x00-0x7F) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "lol c" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:32 PM >Subject: Oh no....more FCB1010 questions > > > > Hi all > > > > I know how often this stuff comes up on list and belive me i have tried >for > > the last week to NOT post to list for help. but Ive reached the stage >where > > I cant complete my tailor made midi board just becaus of one problem... > > > > Basically I cant get the controller pedals to respond. > > > > Im using Loop4 and Midi FCB1010. > > > > Ive got the "patches" set up so that I have record,overdub, >multiply,insert, > > replace, undo, speed, drection, substitute, and next in that order on >patch > > bay one, then the same but in suspend mode on page two, then a few >presets > > stored in page three......ok so far so good. > > > > now on each of these presets I have the buttons of each controller lit >and > > active and set to 7 for feedback and 1 for Volume. > > > > on the echoplex I have the buttons in the perameters corrispondinf to > > feedback and volume set to 7 and one respectivly, yet.........nothing. > > > > I can move the continuos controller pedals back and forth and the reout >on > > the screen never changes to display a new feedback or volume setting > > > > whats going on? > > > > Help me please > > > > Phill Wilson > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself with cool new emoticons >http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 27 12:04:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1RH2ub27373; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:02:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:02:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <403E5C44.9060108@unguitar.com> References: <403E5C44.9060108@unguitar.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:03:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ritsu Katsumata Subject: Live vs Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-PMX-Version: 4.5.0.90627, Antispam-Core: 4.0.4.92622, Antispam-Data: 2004.2.26.92942 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's been about a year since I first became a looper (with the Loopstation) and now, I'm looking at increasing my looping-horsepower. I was hoping you could advise me on whether to go with ABLETON LIVE or ELECTRIX REPEATER (if I can find one). Currently, I'm working on a project that requires looping pre-recorded samples, some as short as 4 beats, and one digital audio file that's about 8 minutes long (I can eliminate that one if it's impossible). I'd like to be able to live loop over any one at a time, and also trigger up to three pre-recorded loops on the fly. I need to be able to control all of this with a foot pedal, and be simple enough for me to learn to use before the premiere of the performance piece on April 26! Thanks in advance! -- Ritsu Katsumata -------------->>>www.ritsu.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 27 13:42:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1RId3Y10826; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:39:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:39:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:38:55 +0100 Subject: Re: Live vs Repeater From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9YNYfC.A.EpC.H74PAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-27 18.03, "Ritsu Katsumata" wrote: > It's been about a year since I first became a looper (with the > Loopstation) and now, I'm looking at increasing my looping-horsepower. > > I was hoping you could advise me on whether to go with ABLETON LIVE > or ELECTRIX REPEATER (if I can find one). > > Currently, I'm working on a project that requires looping > pre-recorded samples, some as short as 4 beats, and one digital audio > file that's about 8 minutes long (I can eliminate that one if it's > impossible). > I'd like to be able to live loop over any one at a time, and also > trigger up to three pre-recorded loops on the fly. > > I need to be able to control all of this with a foot pedal, and be > simple enough for me to learn to use before the premiere of the > performance piece on April 26! > > > Thanks in advance! HI Ritsu, I'm using both Live and the Repeater on a regular basis and after reading your specification of what you want to do I would like to recommend you to go with Ableton Live. If you had said that you need to overdub multiple layers into one loop, new layers gradually covering older layers that fade out with each loop round, then I would not have been able to recommend Live. But as you don't need this overdub/feedback function everything else you said can be done in Live. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 27 15:00:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1RJveL23550; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:57:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:57:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:58:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ritsu Katsumata Subject: Re: Live vs Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-PMX-Version: 4.5.0.90627, Antispam-Core: 4.0.4.92622, Antispam-Data: 2004.2.26.92942 Resent-Message-ID: <55MBDB.A.3vF.0E6PAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm using both Live and the Repeater on a regular basis and after reading >your specification of what you want to do I would like to recommend you to >go with Ableton Live. If you had said that you need to overdub multiple >layers into one loop, new layers gradually covering older layers that fade >out with each loop round, then I would not have been able to recommend Live. Thanks Per, and please clarify: I do have one piece that has pre-recorded throat singing loop over which I have three different harmonies, all played and looped live. As the song continues, I want to fade out loop 2 and 3 and replace them with new loops. So Ableton wouldn't be able to do this? Ritsu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 27 15:54:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1RKqbQ00405; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:52:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:52:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <403FAE2D.3090102@free.fr> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:53:01 +0100 From: Luca Bonvini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live vs Repeater References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >overdub multiple layers into one loop, new layers gradually covering >older layers that fade out with each loop round Hello, this is one effect I need for my music, what are the machines that perform it best ? Can you have any control on the fading? Can the Echoplex do that? (BTW: always looking for one of them.) Sorry about my ignorance, Thank you, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 27 18:52:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1RNmT728023; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:48:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:48:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 00:48:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Live vs Repeater From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <403FAE2D.3090102@free.fr> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-63fo.A.t1G.Nd9PAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-27 21.53, "Luca Bonvini" wrote: >> overdub multiple layers into one loop, new layers gradually covering >> older layers that fade out with each loop round > > > Hello, this is one effect I need for my music, what are the machines > that perform it best ? Can you have any control on the fading? Can > the Echoplex do that? (BTW: always looking for one of them.) > > Sorry about my ignorance, > > Thank you, > > Luca Yes, the EDP does this. Repeater as well and probably more loopers that I don't know that well. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 27 18:56:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1RNsRP28758; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:54:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:54:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 00:54:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Live vs Repeater From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i1RNsQo28734 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-27 20.58, "Ritsu Katsumata" wrote: > >> I'm using both Live and the Repeater on a regular basis and after reading >> your specification of what you want to do I would like to recommend you to >> go with Ableton Live. If you had said that you need to overdub multiple >> layers into one loop, new layers gradually covering older layers that fade >> out with each loop round, then I would not have been able to recommend Live. > > Thanks Per, and please clarify: > > I do have one piece that has pre-recorded throat singing loop > over which I have three different harmonies, all played and looped live. > > As the song continues, I want to fade out loop 2 and 3 and replace > them with new loops. > > So Ableton wouldn't be able to do this? > > Ritsu Yes, Ableton can do this. What I was saying is that it can not do this on the one and same loop - like the EDP or the Repeater (that¹s overdubbing "sound-on-sound"). In Ableton you can record and play back as many loops, of different length, as your CPU can take. But instead of recording different audio into one loop you have to put your loops on multiple channels. Then you are free to fade those channels (with the loops) in and out of the main mix. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 27 19:28:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1S0Mdk01042; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:22:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:22:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:23:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200402271923.AA587071586@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Live vs Repeater X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've used both Live and the Repeater in a few different kinds of situations. I think that the Repeater is still superior in the improv / ease of use situations, but live is definitely more powerful. If you were going to be playing an instrument and controlling pre-recorded loops, I'd say use Live. If you were going to be playing an instrument and recording loops live, I'd say that you definitely want a repeater. If you aren't going to be playing an instrument, then you'll probably be better off with Live. Kevin ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ritsu Katsumata Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:03:54 -0500 >It's been about a year since I first became a looper (with the >Loopstation) and now, I'm looking at increasing my looping-horsepower. > >I was hoping you could advise me on whether to go with ABLETON LIVE >or ELECTRIX REPEATER (if I can find one). > >Currently, I'm working on a project that requires looping >pre-recorded samples, some as short as 4 beats, and one digital audio >file that's about 8 minutes long (I can eliminate that one if it's >impossible). >I'd like to be able to live loop over any one at a time, and also >trigger up to three pre-recorded loops on the fly. > >I need to be able to control all of this with a foot pedal, and be >simple enough for me to learn to use before the premiere of the >performance piece on April 26! > > >Thanks in advance! > > >-- >Ritsu Katsumata >-------------->>>www.ritsu.com > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith remove "online" from reply address Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 27 21:08:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1S229K15769; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:02:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:02:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <000901c3fcad$8ce49c00$6501a8c0@watercooled> References: <000901c3fcad$8ce49c00$6501a8c0@watercooled> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <072567A0-69AB-11D8-82B4-0003939AEE66@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: instruction shuttle Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex, will it ever come? Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:00:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi: i'm new to the list. i ended up selling my repeater..now i want it back! i use ableton live 3.o and NI reaktor, but i am unable to find software that enable sound-on-sound overdubbing/looping. i know that alto sound in middletown NY USA has echoplex in stock (well, a while ago) but it's worth a shot. sorry, i dont have their telephone number. per, i have seen your posts on various lists and boards and have visited your website. some day i hope to jam with you. =) i do abstract electronic music. www.astromass.com thanks all, +()Dd\ (instruction shuttle) www.astromass.com On Feb 26, 2004, at 1:14 PM, David J. Grossman wrote: >> I have had an Echoplex on order since December 18 of 2003 at Musicians >> Friend. The availability date keeps getting pushed back, and now >> Musicians Friend has the avilability date as May 5. Has anyone had >> any >> luck buying an Echoplex in the past month or so? > > I bought that "scratch and dent" one they had on sale a couple of > weeks ago > but it was way more screwed up than what they defined as a "scratch and > dent" item. The whole faceplate was bent outwards on the right, a knob > was > missing and two of the other knobs were floating around the box. One of > those knobs was actually cracked too. In any event, it wasn't worth the > savings of only $120 out of $799 for something that was that tweaked > so I > returned it to exchange for a new one. I'm still waiting on my new one > with > the rest of you. > > Here's a warning though, if you see a scratch and dent Echoplex show > up at > Musician's Friend in the next week or so, don't buy it unless you're > willing > to live with something that may have been dropped or taken apart and > poorly > reassembled. They probably had the thing ( serial # 79 or something > like > that ) sitting around for a year and figured they could get rid of it > since > the other units were so hard to get. It's not worth $679 though. Not > in that > condition. > > - Dave > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 28 04:45:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1S9iJ311011; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:44:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:44:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c3fddf$4f7afb60$05d489d9@j8i7l0> From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <000901c3fcad$8ce49c00$6501a8c0@watercooled> <072567A0-69AB-11D8-82B4-0003939AEE66@mac.com> Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex, will it ever come? Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:43:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com go to Audiomulch.com Overdub to your heart's content, fire loops, split your audio up , break it down, control it via midi, sequence your actions - go for it my friend Feed your sounds back to infinity.......... and beyond! Gareth - god it's cold here... > hi: > i'm new to the list. i ended up selling my repeater..now i want it > back! i use ableton live 3.o and NI reaktor, but i am unable to find > software that enable sound-on-sound overdubbing/looping. > i know that alto sound in middletown NY USA has echoplex in stock > (well, a while ago) but it's worth a shot. sorry, i dont have their > telephone number. > per, i have seen your posts on various lists and boards and have > visited your website. some day i hope to jam with you. =) i do > abstract electronic music. www.astromass.com > > thanks all, > +()Dd\ > (instruction shuttle) > > www.astromass.com > > On Feb 26, 2004, at 1:14 PM, David J. Grossman wrote: > > >> I have had an Echoplex on order since December 18 of 2003 at Musicians > >> Friend. The availability date keeps getting pushed back, and now > >> Musicians Friend has the avilability date as May 5. Has anyone had > >> any > >> luck buying an Echoplex in the past month or so? > > > > I bought that "scratch and dent" one they had on sale a couple of > > weeks ago > > but it was way more screwed up than what they defined as a "scratch and > > dent" item. The whole faceplate was bent outwards on the right, a knob > > was > > missing and two of the other knobs were floating around the box. One of > > those knobs was actually cracked too. In any event, it wasn't worth the > > savings of only $120 out of $799 for something that was that tweaked > > so I > > returned it to exchange for a new one. I'm still waiting on my new one > > with > > the rest of you. > > > > Here's a warning though, if you see a scratch and dent Echoplex show > > up at > > Musician's Friend in the next week or so, don't buy it unless you're > > willing > > to live with something that may have been dropped or taken apart and > > poorly > > reassembled. They probably had the thing ( serial # 79 or something > > like > > that ) sitting around for a year and figured they could get rid of it > > since > > the other units were so hard to get. It's not worth $679 though. Not > > in that > > condition. > > > > - Dave > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 28 06:46:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1SBiwo24604; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 06:44:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 06:44:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40407F51.6020005@free.fr> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:45:21 +0100 From: Luca Bonvini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Which one is the Repeater? References: <000901c3fcad$8ce49c00$6501a8c0@watercooled> <072567A0-69AB-11D8-82B4-0003939AEE66@mac.com> <005f01c3fddf$4f7afb60$05d489d9@j8i7l0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Waiting for the Echoplex: which one of the "looper tools" page in Loopers-delight site is the Repeater? thanks, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 28 06:59:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1SBwZ425540; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 06:58:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 06:58:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:58:16 +0100 Subject: "Corporate Culture Loops" - clip posted From: Per Boysen To: Loopers CC: Eric Forsmark Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005f01c3fddf$4f7afb60$05d489d9@j8i7l0> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I posted a music clip at http://www.boysen.se/studio/ccl_draft1.mp3 (13 MB) Echoplex solo improvisation with Stratocaster electric guitar in the ambient vibe established by Eric Satie some eighty years ago (as far as I know?) It's a pre production draft for a track to be released on the album "Corporate Culture Loops" (Noden Recordings). Spoken word by David Cowley, Ashridge Management College UK, will be added in a couple of weeks. I might have to change the music to something different then, but we'll see about that. The live guitar and Echoplex are mixed left/right. After the recording I fired up Ableton Live and "filled in" on the flow already breathing in the improvisation. Among those fill ins are some nice talking drum playing by my Swedish friend Eric Forsmark. I had recorded Eric at an earlier session, using Ableton Live as a recording and live looping platform. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 28 07:20:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1SCJEF28916; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:19:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:19:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0df301c3fdf5$8a1a4c60$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: London Loopage? Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:22:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was some talk here last year about some looping group-wise in London come the middle of March. Has there been any further progress on this? Thx. Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 28 10:34:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1SFXSh19971; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:33:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:33:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:38:07 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Which one is the Repeater? In-Reply-To: <40407F51.6020005@free.fr> Message-ID: References: <000901c3fcad$8ce49c00$6501a8c0@watercooled> <072567A0-69AB-11D8-82B4-0003939AEE66@mac.com> <005f01c3fddf$4f7afb60$05d489d9@j8i7l0> <40407F51.6020005@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, Luca Bonvini wrote: > Waiting for the Echoplex: which one of the "looper tools" page in > Loopers-delight site is the Repeater? > > thanks, > > Luca Umm, is this a trick question? It's the link on the "Looping tools" page at http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html in the "Looper History" section of the page that reads "Electrix Repeater". http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/repeater/repeater.html best, Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 28 11:41:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1SGbwm28185; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:37:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:37:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:38:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: new kind of audio processing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9d9eJC.A.S4G.mPMQAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi old friends ! After 10 years of writing LOOP software for the EDP, I needed to do something else. But it's still loop related: looping asks single note oriented sound processing ! Andy Butler and Bernhard Wagner and my smart nephew Johnny Schmid gathered to create a line of software effects with this new vision. Get the feel of it from the first product out: A VST plugin about pitch changing: if you play simple or ethnic instruments, you hardly have one for each tuning. And sometimes the music is already up when you feel like using the instrument - out of tune. Use Chopitch to tune it in! if you play the guitar, you probably want to use it for bass lines, too. Use Chopitch to tune it down an octave or two... if the big drum you would like to play does not fit into your room, car or stage, use a small drum and make it huge with Chopitch. if you like the groove of some loop, especially drum loops (DJs!), but find its sound boring, give it a new dress with Chopitch. But Chopitch can do a lot more than delay free and glitch free pitch down. It processes each note separately: give it a new pitch shape - which can depend on your playing change its duration make it disappear - and ring out the previous note instead give it a new attack with a quick pitch-in clean your loop or heavily modify a loop's impulse, melodic, sound and even rhythmic content. Built in Feedback and/or small amounts of pitch modulation create new sounds of the chorus/flanger family and amazing resonances. At last, check to Mix back in the original sound, it may safe you from exagerating... Chopitch is useful in several configurations: Use it in the input track to modify your recording in real time without delay. It's interactive, so you end up playing differently when you hear the result immediately Create a funky noise (maybe together with filters and and other effects on a separate track) and add it to color or emphasize the original recording Chopitch is very processor economic! Put multiple Chopitches on inserts to mix several tunings/sounds So far, you can download Chopitch for free at http://www.chopitch.com ! Please type any comment or critics into our forum at http://forum.grob.org If you put your impression expressively, we may ask you to quote you on the choptich site, with a link to wherever you want. If you create a sample sound for our site, we also honor it with a free registration for the commercial version. Have fun and inspiration! Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 28 14:30:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1SJRx219639; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 14:27:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 14:27:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: "Corporate Culture Loops" - clip posted Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:27:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcP98kIiaIRZAaU9SMan4yvr7qvScAAPnoNA Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man this is beautiful as is - don't mess it up with spoken word - IMHO it will take away from it's grace. Nice work! -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 3:58 AM To: Loopers Cc: Eric Forsmark Subject: "Corporate Culture Loops" - clip posted Hi, I posted a music clip at http://www.boysen.se/studio/ccl_draft1.mp3 (13 MB) Echoplex solo improvisation with Stratocaster electric guitar in the ambient vibe established by Eric Satie some eighty years ago (as far as I know?) It's a pre production draft for a track to be released on the album "Corporate Culture Loops" (Noden Recordings). Spoken word by David Cowley, Ashridge Management College UK, will be added in a couple of weeks. I might have to change the music to something different then, but we'll see about that. The live guitar and Echoplex are mixed left/right. After the recording I fired up Ableton Live and "filled in" on the flow already breathing in the improvisation. Among those fill ins are some nice talking drum playing by my Swedish friend Eric Forsmark. I had recorded Eric at an earlier session, using Ableton Live as a recording and live looping platform. Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 28 14:37:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1SJWcJ20103; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 14:32:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 14:32:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:45:03 +0100 Subject: Re: new kind of audio processing From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-28 17.38, "Matthias Grob" wrote: > If you create a sample sound for our site, we also honor it with a > free registration for the commercial version. > > Have fun and inspiration! > Matthias Congratulations to this cool plug-in! I may not understand the above though... Are you asking people to send in audio samples? Is there info somewhere at http://forum.grob.org? pboy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 28 20:12:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1T1C8d32744; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:12:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:12:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040229011202.19196.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:12:02 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: CD legal settlement To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200402281641.i1SGfwQ28739@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7jXNOC.A.g_H.oxTQAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com About a year or so ago, there was some talk on this list of the class action type suit being filed against the big CD manufacturers and labels for price fixing on CD's. I filed a claim at MusicCDSettlement.com and lo and behold, today I received a check for $13.86. The oddest part of this whole thing is that I think I have only purchased 1 CD from a store in my entire life. They never even asked. I suppose that this whole thing now gets the big boys off the hook for screwing us all royally. "It is a pleasure to bring this matter to a satisfactory conclusion and to return value to consumers who purchased CD's while the challenged pricing policies were in effect. Christine O.Gregoire, Attorney General of Washington" Uhhh, whatever... Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! 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The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 28 20:45:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1T1ixp03302; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:44:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:44:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 02:44:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex, will it ever come? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <072567A0-69AB-11D8-82B4-0003939AEE66@mac.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-02-28 06.00, "instruction shuttle" wrote: > per, i have seen your posts on various lists and boards and have > visited your website. some day i hope to jam with you. =) i do > abstract electronic music. www.astromass.com Hi Tod, That would be a great pleasure! Where are you, geographically? I have listened to the clips at the astromass site before and I like your music and find it inspiring. All the best Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 28 23:34:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1T4Wv425672; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:32:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:32:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d4.1b439d1d.2d72c570@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:32:48 EST Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping presents Anomalous Disturbances To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d4.1b439d1d.2d72c570_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10582 Resent-Message-ID: <82D_7.A.ARG.4tWQAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d4.1b439d1d.2d72c570_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/28/04 8:27:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, scott@dreamstate.to writes: > This Tuesday March 2nd - Anomalous Disturbances > > Vancouver BC ambient artist Anomalous Disturbances > (Terry O'Brien) returns for his third performance at the Ping, > not only can i not see amy x in new york but now i got to also miss terry o'brien up in toronto.....boy does working for a living slow me down!.....break a leg both of ya!.....michael the east is loopin out! --part1_1d4.1b439d1d.2d72c570_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/28/04 8:27:23 P= M Eastern Standard Time, scott@dreamstate.to writes:


This Tuesday March 2nd - An= omalous Disturbances

Vancouver BC ambient artist Anomalous Disturbances
(Terry O'Brien) returns for his third performance at the Ping,


not only can i not see amy x in new york but now i got to also miss terr= y o'brien up in toronto.....boy does working for a living slow me down!.....= break a leg both of ya!.....michael

the east is loopin out! --part1_1d4.1b439d1d.2d72c570_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 28 23:58:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1T4uQK28075; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:56:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:56:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.233f96b5.2d72caf0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:56:16 EST Subject: question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6b.233f96b5.2d72caf0_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10582 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6b.233f96b5.2d72caf0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have been crazy lately and not the good kind and i have been thinking about this question.....WHAT WOULD I DO IF I TOTALLY GAVE UP MUSIC : PLAYING, LUSTING AFTER EQUIPMENT, READING REVIEWS, READING LOOPERS DELIGHT.....THINKING ABOUT SIGNAL PATHS.....OBSESSING.....you get the idea?.....NO MORE MUSIC.....i don't think there is anything out there that would replace it.....i would go nutz and have to be put away, i would have less friends than i do now.....music starts with "m" so does michael and mass-o-kist, is there a relationship?.....can anyone out there turn off the music?.....just wondering.....michael --part1_6b.233f96b5.2d72caf0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have been crazy lately and not the= good kind and i have been thinking about this question.....WHAT WOULD I DO=20= IF I TOTALLY GAVE UP MUSIC : PLAYING, LUSTING AFTER EQUIPMENT, READING REVIE= WS, READING LOOPERS DELIGHT.....THINKING ABOUT SIGNAL PATHS.....OBSESSING...= ..you get the idea?.....NO MORE MUSIC.....i don't think there is anything ou= t there that would replace it.....i would go nutz and have to be put away, i= would have less friends than i do now.....music starts with "m" so does mic= hael and mass-o-kist, is there a relationship?.....can anyone out there turn= off the music?.....just wondering.....michael
--part1_6b.233f96b5.2d72caf0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 29 06:33:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1TBSRU11130; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 06:28:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 06:28:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c3feb7$9b4c1230$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20040229011202.19196.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CD legal settlement Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:31:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm doing a cartoon about this as we play and/or type. One idea we tossed up has to do with everyone who gets a check putting them all in a fund to help those being sued by the RIAA. Steve Goodman * Hidden Track * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > About a year or so ago, there was some talk on this list of the class action type suit being > filed against the big CD manufacturers and labels for price fixing on CD's. I filed a claim at > MusicCDSettlement.com and lo and behold, today I received a check for $13.86. The oddest part of > this whole thing is that I think I have only purchased 1 CD from a store in my entire life. They > never even asked. > > I suppose that this whole thing now gets the big boys off the hook for screwing us all > royally. > > "It is a pleasure to bring this matter to a satisfactory conclusion and to return value to > consumers who purchased CD's while the challenged pricing policies were in effect. > Christine O.Gregoire, Attorney General of Washington" > > Uhhh, whatever... > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 29 08:37:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1TDadp32299; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:36:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:36:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4041EAA1.8090507@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:35:29 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: question References: <6b.233f96b5.2d72caf0@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <6b.233f96b5.2d72caf0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
i have been crazy lately and not the good kind and i have been thinking about this question.....WHAT WOULD I DO IF I TOTALLY GAVE UP MUSIC : PLAYING, LUSTING AFTER EQUIPMENT, READING REVIEWS, READING LOOPERS DELIGHT.....THINKING ABOUT SIGNAL PATHS.....OBSESSING.....you get the idea?.....NO MORE MUSIC.....i don't think there is anything out there that would replace it.....i would go nutz and have to be put away, i would have less friends than i do now.....music starts with "m" so does michael and mass-o-kist, is there a relationship?.....can anyone out there turn off the music?.....just wondering.....michael
Music is woven integrally throughout my entire being.  Separating me from music and music technology would be fatal.

MBill MFox
 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 29 12:36:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1THZKd30075; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:35:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:35:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040229173513.32750.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:35:13 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: CD legal settlement To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005201c3feb7$9b4c1230$0207a8c0@Stephen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com got my check...i was hoping that a whole darn lot of people signed up so that the record companies would have to shell out a fairly large chunk of change. unfortunately, it would take a lot more to actually affect them. it would've been great to see them fill out 2 million 14 dollar checks. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 29 15:40:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1TKchr24501; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:38:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:38:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:11:56 +0100 Subject: Re: question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4041EAA1.8090507@soundscapes.us> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >> don't think there is anything out there that would replace it.....i would go >> nutz and have to be put away, On 04-02-29 14.35, "Bill Fox" wrote: > Music is woven integrally throughout my entire being. Separating me from > music and music technology would be fatal. > > MBill MFox Interesting discussion! I too put most of my feeling, thinking and dreaming (during sleep) into music. And I use to think about all the things I would be doing if it wasn't for music, my precious number one. To be honest there are many things that could replace music in my life, but the truth is there is not enough time to make that happen in real life. When you start out learning something new you run into a specific threshold where you simply have to make arrangements for being able to do it fulltime, or you will have very difficult to learn more. This can be a hard struggle because you are not only working with yourself now (like when being a total newbie), you also have to impress society to go pro and get an income. And if you should manage to enter that scene you will pretty soon meet this trap of getting "too pro for being creative". I mean, just take a week of from music and see how many great ideas you get when you come back! As a pro you can never take those refreshing weeks off because your time is scheduled and other people may depend on you to for business reasons. Is the a bottom line to this? Haven't seen one yet... ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 29 15:52:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1TKppW26438; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:51:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:51:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Replacing Music in your Life (was: question) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:51:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcP/BJysasfk1OlZTh69ffMOVLQMSwAAF3Ow X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20040229205145.VALC7091.fed1mtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In this context does "bottom line" mean answer, resolution, or financial payoff? BTW, since I bought the RC-20 a week ago (and ran into Rick Walker after his return from the Mexicali gig--a happy coincidence!) I have managed to incorporate looping more easily into my "commercial" musical life, and also play at home more. Easy to play your life away! Gary not enough time to make that happen in real life. When you start out learning something new you run into a specific threshold where you simply have to make arrangements for being able to do it fulltime, or you will have very difficult to learn more. This can be a hard struggle because you are not only working with yourself now (like when being a total newbie), you also have to impress society to go pro and get an income. And if you should manage to enter that scene you will pretty soon meet this trap of getting "too pro for being creative". I mean, just take a week of from music and see how many great ideas you get when you come back! As a pro you can never take those refreshing weeks off because your time is scheduled and other people may depend on you to for business reasons. Is the a bottom line to this? Haven't seen one yet... ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 29 17:17:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i1TMDKN07351; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:13:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:13:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <10519371.1078092798101.JavaMail.instructionshuttle@mac.com> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:13:18 -0800 From: instruction shuttle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex, will it ever come? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_XoXaD.A.uyB._PmQAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cool per, i live in pennsylvania in the usa. not too much going on where i live, musically speaking..but i keep things interesting in my studio. hopefully i'll be able to go to europe soon for some shows. one of the labels i record for , retinascan.de, might hold a label showcase in germany...very cool, as i used to live in stuttgart back in 1990! =) thanks, and please check back to astromass.com for current updates! thanks, todd On Saturday, February 28, 2004, at 05:44PM, Per Boysen wrote: >On 04-02-28 06.00, "instruction shuttle" >wrote: > >> per, i have seen your posts on various lists and boards and have >> visited your website. some day i hope to jam with you. =) i do >> abstract electronic music. www.astromass.com > >Hi Tod, That would be a great pleasure! Where are you, geographically? I >have listened to the clips at the astromass site before and I like your >music and find it inspiring. > >All the best > >Per > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 29 20:22:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i211IoB31589; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:18:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:18:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 01:18:29 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looking for the report From: spgoodman@earthlight.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--------tlwlmkirckekxncpqotk" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----------tlwlmkirckekxncpqotk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 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29 21:20:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i212I9707459; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:18:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:18:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040301021803.25617.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:18:03 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: new kind of audio processing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200403010122.i211MZ932436@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-XmueC.A.X0B.h1pQAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthais, Might I make a gentle suggestion to rename your software? As a non-native speaker of English, you may not have the same associations with the word Chopitch that others of us may have. The association with "Chop-itch" is just too easy to make. The jump from there to "Jock-itch" is also too easy. I recognize that you are probably trying to combine "chop" and "pitch", though for me, as a native English speaker, the combination does not flow well... This is my initial impression of the word "Chopitch". I would hate to see all your wonderful work not get taken as seriously as it might if it had a different name. All the best, Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 29 22:11:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i213AoC16859; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:10:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:10:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c3ff3a$ced41f20$885bd618@knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Subject: Warning Viruses Being Sent from spgoodman@earthlight.net Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:43:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3FF0D.09E3FD20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <9vhicD.A.THE.5mqQAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3FF0D.09E3FD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3FF0D.09E3FD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3FF0D.09E3FD20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 29 22:25:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i213Lnr18598; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:21:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:21:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4042AC45.9040902@biink.com> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:21:41 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Warning Viruses Being Sent from spgoodman@earthlight.net References: <002001c3ff3a$ced41f20$885bd618@knology.net> In-Reply-To: <002001c3ff3a$ced41f20$885bd618@knology.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul wrote: > You don't say! I got one of those two hours ago. God bless Norton Anti virus! Not Mel Gibsons God, maybe some thing more like Ganesh. Om Ganesh! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db